Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2934: GLP-1 Drugs Are Killing People — Here Is What Nobody Is Telling You

Episode Date: August 29, 2026

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GLP peptides, GLP ones, never has a medical intervention been as powerful for helping people lose weight as now. But here's the problem. They're also potentially killing people. I'm not being extreme here. There are some bad things that are happening. And we're looking down the road. GLPs are not the panacea that you think.

We're going to talk about that today. GLPs, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Oh, my God. Did somebody die recently? No, but I just, I just thought I'd open with that to get everybody's attention. That was a little extreme. Got us all paying attention now. So, yeah, I mean, like I said, like when it comes to medical interventions for obesity,

there's never been anything even close to as powerful as GLP's. So GLP's are, you know, somagulotide, Tresepetide. brand names, Ozempic, Wagovi, and then, you know, Red of True Tide, which is still not FDA approved, but it's kind of, you know, on the horizon. Nothing comes close. I mean, in the past, they had, you know, Fenn, Fenn, and other weight loss type drugs were stimulant based, and they had some effects, lots of negative side effects, but they were not nearly as effective as these.

You know, people in the studies will go on a GLP and lose, you know, 10, 15 percent or the body weight like consistently across the board some people even more so they're super super powerful but like anything that has that much of an effect on something that so many people seem to struggle with

what that comes along with that is potential abuse and people are ignoring or at least they're not addressing some of the potential negative effects that can come from GLP use and that's what I think we need to talk about because I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to see more people in my friend groups,

in my circles that are using GLPs that I'm like, why are you using this? Yeah, I think that's the biggest issue I have right now is really just, you know, there's people taking on that I just don't feel like it's appropriate for them to take it. And I don't feel like that message is really being promoted much. It seems like it's, there's no caution. There's no caution. and, you know, your average person, if you talk to them about it, they think that it's just, you know, they're just going to lose some weight, some body fat. And, you know, why not just add that into my training and diet?

Yeah, no, 100%. And, you know, there was this recent meme that I saw that's really going viral. And it was Hollywood actresses. There was a lot of them. There was like a whole list. It was like 10 of them on how they used to look and how they look now. And none of them were like super overweight before. They were all within a healthy body weight, you know, body fat percentage.

But now, and the speculation is on gLPs. Now they look emaciated. They look like they're not doing so well. And the speculation is that they're using gLPs to really restrict their food intake. So this is kind of becoming a conversation now. I do want to say, I think, use properly, they can be very valuable tools. Well, it's super interesting when you think about this has been around for 12. 20-something years.

GLP, yeah, they have. And so it's so wild how there's something that is literally that old and been used for that long, how crazy popular and how much you can dominate the conversation now on all fitness pages. And now it's reaching, like, and I've been saying this for a while now, it sounds like you're starting to notice it too. in my circle of friends and family that we just don't they never talked about fitness or anything like that before and so but yet now they're talking about gLP ones which is crazy because it just shows you how fast it is spreading yet it's been around for so long and it's really just been

recently marketed to everybody and you know it's been a it's been a diabetic um strategy for a very long time with clients that are, you know, and morbidly obese, like they've used tools like this. And for that reason, I think it's a very incredible, powerful tool. And, you know, what's happening, though, right now is I, it's not even close. Way more people who I think shouldn't use it are using the other way around. Yep. So I find myself rarely ever having to suggest it to somebody because they've already heard about it or have taken it. More often than not, questioning somebody like, you only really need to shred down.

You say 10 or 15 pounds. Like, why would you use something like this? Or somebody, and what worries me the most that we get callers like this and that I've seen a lot of is somebody who's fallen out of shape, say they've lost or they've gained 20 or 30 pounds of body fat, but they haven't been working out for last year or two years or three years. and they want to start off by taking this GLP1 because they had some friend who lost 40 pounds of fat

and they, and so they think of this as like, and so it's a terrible strategy, especially for somebody in that case who, because if you, if you've built a lot of muscle prior to using it, you have some, you have a buffer. Yeah. You can afford to lose 10 or 15 pounds of muscle, but most people, the average American,

cannot afford to lose 10 to 15 pounds of muscle. Most of them are under-muscled. Even if they're obese. Right. So that's the part that makes this really kind of scary. It's very alarming, yeah. Yeah, where do we end up? I mean, it really does feel like we're just trading one problem for another.

Yeah, no, great way to put it. I think let's talk first about who they're for, because for the right reasons, these are medical miracles. As close as you can get with a pharmaceutical, right, is that they're very effective for the right kind of people. Who are the right kind of people? Well, diabetics, that's what it was originally prescribed for,

but also for people who struggle with severe obesity and who have for a long time. These are people who have, you know, they've tried losing it, they've gained it back. They have a relationship with food that's very difficult to get around. that has caused a lot of issues with their obesity and related issues like blood pressure and diabetes and so on.

So these people have a substantial amount of weight to lose who've tried and just have struggled and this can really help make the difference. It really can. And it can help them, it can help set them up long term, if done properly as well. So those are the people that this is kind of for. Now here's who they're not for. Here's who GLP are not for. They're not for people who are looking to lose 10, 15 pounds.

They are not for people who are trying to use these as a way to gain more control or to fuel or feed a dysfunctional eating pattern. And there's people that are doing this. There are people that I know who have struggled with eating disorders in the direction of anorexia, who love GLPs because it allows them to restruct. for longer periods of time and allows them to continue to move in that direction.

We've had live callers. Yeah. We've had live callers like this that are by no means overweight, really. I mean, they literally, I mean, this is the example that I'm talking about that.

You know, they might want to lose five or 10 pounds. Like, and they're wanting to use a tool like that. And it's because they're, they are used to under eating. And now they've created this drug that helps somebody who likes to, under eat like that. This is my speculation on the people in Hollywood that were suddenly noticing

all these actresses went from, you know, like thin anyway to emaciated my speculation, because I don't know. So I'm 100% speculating. But here's what I think. First off, being in the limelight, like being an actress, puts a lot of pressure on your appearance, obviously. Okay. So eating disorders in certain fields are much higher, like fashion model, you know, being in meat. media, you know, being like a dancer where you're getting ridiculed for how you look. Those, there's always a higher rate of eating disorders. And so I think that these actresses are using GLP as a way to fuel that sense of control that they get over restricting themselves. So they were already restricted themselves.

But you've got those natural hunger signals that you've got to kind of battle. Now they can eliminate it completely. They're like, oh, my God, I can eat 500 calories a day. Yeah. And it's not an issue. That's my speculation. I think that's what's happening. I think they're taking their issue and they're adding fuel to it and saying,

yes, I can now really restrict without having to fight these hunger pangs. Yeah. So here's the other thing that we got to keep in mind of it's not for people who are going to get this on the gray market. And I'm going to say this straight up. Most of the people, not all the people, in fact, I'm trying to think right now, I think all the people that I know who are not what I would consider a candidate for GLP's, who are using GLP's, got it on the gray market. They did not go through the way that you're supposed to, which is through a doctor.

They're not going through compound pharmacy that's FDA regulated. They're buying their stuff under the category of research chemical. In fact, when we have callers call in and they're telling us that they started using a gLP and, you know, they want to lose 15 pounds. It's almost always what I asked them. Where did you get it? And you can see them be like, oh, you know. Oh, I mean, anybody who's already talking about Red of Trutcheide is for sure doing that.

Yeah, because it's not FDA proof. Yeah. And that's actually what I hear most of people that are already on. So you're already using something that has not even been approved by the FDA yet. And you're getting it through research chemicals, which, I mean, I remember when we had Phil on the show, I forgot what he said, what percentage of those were off. But I know their team tested. And it's like the amount is a lot. It's enough to be like you were literally rolling the dice on, are you getting what you say you're getting?

It's called gray market because it's sold legally as a research chemical, but it's really a black market for human consumption. In fact, it says it on their websites and bottles, not for human consumption, so they cover themselves. And you're playing a really risky game. First off, maybe there is a GLP in there, but the dosing is off. I've actually read about cases where people thought they were taking the right dose, but the bottle was overdosed because there was no quality control.

And then, of course, underdosed or some random weird thing in there or contaminated. with bacteria which can cause lots of issues. The other people this is not for are people who are already frail. So if you're, if you're overweight, but you're also weak and you know you're weak, like you know you have weakness. You know you have mobility issues.

I would not take something that dramatically lowers my appetite. It's going to exacerbate all of those. It's going to exacerbate. Here's what the data shows. This is all the studies. They have studies on this. So this is not just off of experience. 30% of the weight you're going to lose

is kind of come from muscle. 30%. So, you know, do the math. You lose 10 pounds, 3 pounds comes from muscle. You lose 30 pounds. Nine pounds comes from muscle. So you're going to lose a significant percentage of your weight is going to come from muscle.

Now, I do want to be clear, GLPs don't have a muscle loss mechanism. So the GLPs are not telling your body to lose muscle. It's not a direct way that it's saying lose muscle. But what happens when you dramatically reduce your food intake, which is what happens on a GLP because it really does control or take away your appetite,

is that your body, one of the ways it tries to adapt with this reduced caloric intake is by reducing its metabolic output and muscle is very metabolically active. So it's just an adaptation that happens. Which, by the way, if you were not on a GLP 1 and you suddenly dropped your calories significantly,

this would happen to you as well. You just lose a bunch of muscle. And so if you're already frail and you're not going to do anything to combat that and you're going to go to a GLP, yeah, you're going to lose weight, but you're going to get a little weak. than you already are.

Yeah, it's just, it's so frustrating because even a lot of good friends that I have that are in decent shape and are getting on GLP-1s, they're using it. It's literally a crash diet. They're not, like, putting any of these parameters

around it. The training-wise, you know, making sure you're getting adequate protein and, you know, essential nutrients for one. So, you know, you're just putting yourself down in a category that's very unhealthy. And then the rebound to the,

that is substantial. And so it's, I just don't feel like, you know, that's being promoted enough, that's being talked about enough. That's communicated enough. Yes, it's a powerful new way to approach, you know, extreme weight and obesity. However, I just, for your average person, that if the issue is discipline, if the issue is like controlling yourself from having cravings and, you know, there's a way to work on that that's going to last and be more sustainable, than depending on a substance. Now, obviously, somebody who only tunes into clips or occasionally to the show might seem or feel like our opinions changing or we're swinging left or right on this. But they're still, they still are amazing for the right people.

Yep. Yep. I mean, I've seen some really cool cases of people that have just struggled their whole life with weight gain. and have used it judiciously and actually strength trained, hit their protein intake, and worked on their behaviors, and it's just been life-changing. So there is absolutely a percentage of the population

that I think this can be amazing for. But it does seem like there's a lot of the wrong people that are also using. You're seeing right now, there's a couple things, and Justin hit the nail on the head, with how people are using as a crash diet. So they're going from eating their diet

to now eating a lot less of the same diet and changing nothing else. So by the way, I'm going to say this very clearly, okay? If you just dramatically cut your calories, forget GLPs, if you're listening to this, this is a fact. And people hate this fact because in the past it was so hard to do that they actually thought

that there was no truth in this. You actually have people who say, calories don't matter. Calories in versus calories out is wrong. You hear people argue that all the time. And it is an oversimplification for sure. but to say it doesn't matter is complete. That's false.

If you take what you're eating now, dramatically cut it, and you can somehow do that consistently, you're going to lose weight. You will lose weight. One of the things that's also going to happen is your body's going to reduce muscle mass to try to meet the new lower energy intake.

And this is one of the reasons why it's so difficult for people is because they do this, they white knuckle it, metabolism slows down along with it, then they bounce back up. And each cycle adds more body fat and they result in less muscle and it becomes a more difficult thing.

But here's the other thing, too, that is getting reported. You're getting young women who should not be taking GLP's are simply using them to help them restrict who are getting reports from their doctors that they're now in osteopenia. Muscle loss, you push that, you push frailty. You also lose bone mass. So we're not just talking about like, oh, I can't move my body as well.

It's like your bones start deteriorate. And one thing we don't talk about, we hear all about the obesity epidemic. We hear that all the time. And that's a very clear, obvious one. You can look outside. If you've been alive longer than 30 years, you can see like, oh, my God, people are getting bigger and bigger. So obesity is very clear.

Frailty is not as easy to see. It's not as clear. But if you look at the data on frailty, it's wild. A college-aged male today has the grip strength of a 65-year-old in 1986. You should look this data up. It's pretty wild. We're getting weak. And so, and we don't talk about this frailty issue.

enough, but it's a real issue. And so what we're doing, you know, you mentioned this earlier, Adam, is we're potentially solving an overweight problem. Now we're going to contribute more to a frailty issue. So in my opinion, if we don't do this right, we're going to end up with better here, worse over here, still poor health, still lots of different issues. Now, there is a right way to use these. There definitely is a right way.

And part of that is, number one, being the right person for it. So you've got to ask yourself, am I really the right person? and be honest about that, go through a doctor. Okay, don't do this. Don't go on the internet and find research chemicals and try to figure this out yourself. That's playing a dangerous game. So be the right person.

But number two, you know if you just cut your calories and do nothing else, 30% of the weight or more that you lose is going to come from muscle. You need to have a strategy to prevent that from happening. You have to. You have to. You absolutely have to.

Or you're going to put yourself in a bad position with just a slower metabolism to begin with. And also let, losing muscle feels like crap and it reduces your your health and vitality so you need to lift weights you have to lift weights if you don't lift weights and you're on a gLP guaranteed you're going to lose a lot of muscle guarantee because you just cut your your food intake number two you got to get enough protein and i don't mean the minimum i mean more than the minimum do both those things while on a gLP and you will not you will protect muscle in fact i've seen people not to lose a single

pound of muscle through going on a gLP starting strength training so they weren't doing it before but they started strength training hitting protein targets and all that happened to them is it got leaner and they actually kept muscle on their body which is a great stretch and then here's the last thing work on the behaviors that will last beyond the gLP okay so if I were to ask somebody on a gLP um hey ideally speaking would you want to stay on this for the rest of your life or come off of it I 100% of people are going to say what I want to come off ideally speaking in a perfect world, I wish I could use it, get to my goal, come off, and I'm going to do great. It's not going to work unless you develop the right behaviors and habits while on the GLP and then take yourself off slowly.

Otherwise, the only thing that's working is the dramatically reduced appetite from the GLP. Once that comes back, you go right back to where you were before. We're already seeing this. We're seeing people come off, come back on because they weren't working on the right things while they were on that could last be on the GLP. So I'm going to add to that, and it might come off a little controversial, but I'd stand by it that I also think that the right way is you have to have a coach. 100%. I think you, I don't think it's already difficult enough to learn about macros and understand

the proper balance for you and the discipline and consistency around doing that, to know proper training and strength. that those are that is already a complex formula for the average person then you throw in a a drug that is designed to throw off your body's natural hunger signals so those signals that would help you with hey it's time to feed i lifted some weights it's like you're taking something like that because what we've seen too is even people that are strength training and eating some protein they have a tough time eating enough you have a tough time eating enough and what we're watching in young people is bone density issues.

And it's not, it's simply because it's still too extreme of a cut. And just because you lift weights does not mean you're going to prevent that muscle loss and bone loss. And so, you know, if you're going to invest in this and take something like this, then I also think that you should absolutely have a professional take you through

that process to keep an eye on that, to be another pair of eyes, it says, hey, this is too low. Yeah, I honestly, I look at it so similarly to a therapist. I mean, this is about as close as you get to like, this is behavior. So if I'm going to really get into this, I want to look at this as a way, an opportunity for me to kind of step outside of a behavior. I don't really have that greater control over. Now I'm going to get this, you know, temporary control over it. I need to work my way through that. A coach is going to guide you through that process. I'm going to paint, for somebody listening right now, I'm going to give you, of course, it's different from person to person, but generally speaking, I'm going to give you the perfect way to do this, the perfect

scenario that not only is going to get you the best possible results, pure fat loss, without muscle loss, maybe even a little muscle gain, and I'll explain that in just a second, but also will set you up in the most likely way to be able to come off at some point and never have to really go on again, okay? And also we'll save you money. I know it sounds like it's too good to be true, but let me just paint the picture for you. So you're the right person. You're listening like, okay, I'm the right person on a GLP. I want to do this the right way. I want to lose body fat and I want to lose a bunch of muscle. I don't want to become more frail. I want a roadmap to be able to come off at some point slowly and to not, to really reduce the risks of me gaining the weight back

and having to go through this all over again. I want to do it once. And that. And that's a lot. And That's it. I don't want to have to do this five times. I don't want to do the yo-yo thing that I've always done, except this time it's a yo-yo with a g-l-p. I want to do this right way. Here's what it would look like. This is what it would look like for you, okay? You're like, okay, I got 80 pounds of lose or 60 pounds of lose. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to hire a good g-lopi yet. And for the first two months, all I'm going to do is try and get stronger. And what the coach is going to do what's called a reverse diet and also help you hit protein targets. They're also going to do good exercise programming. So appropriate programming for your body with strength training will get you strong. consistently over the next 60 days, especially if you're just getting started. If you're just getting started, you can expect to see very consistent, pretty dramatic strength gains over the next 60 days. Now what this is doing is setting you up for the next phase.

Now you're with your coach and you're working with coach. You've done the 60 days of the reverse diet, 60 days of hitting protein, strength training. Now you start the GLP. Now what the coach is going to do is going to walk you through that process. They're going to walk you through that process. A, so you don't have to use too much of the GLP. because a good coach, a good coach to say, hey, that's too strong.

You're eating way too little. Right. It's going to hurt you. So let's back off on the dose a little bit. But they're also going to coach you through this process of, wow, when I was anxious before, that's when I ate. Wow, when I was depressed before, that's when I ate. So they're going to go, they're going to help modify those behaviors, which, by the way,

this is the right time to do it. When that hunger signal is low and you're not so driven to eat through different behaviors, like, let's say, boredom, anxiety, depression, those neural networks, those connections can start to weaken so long as you don't strengthen them like you used to. In other words, when I was depressed, I would always eat. So I'm creating this really strong behavior with depression and I'm solidifying it. But now that I'm on GLP, I don't need to eat when I'm depressed, but I'm still depressed. It's still going to happen. You're still going to get anxious. You're still going to get sad. Let me replace that with other behaviors so I can create a new neural pattern. So now you're with your

coach and you're going through the GLP process. And the goal with the coach is they're watching you, they're coaching you, and they're minimizing any muscle loss and maximizing fat loss. Then when you get to a point where you're like, whoa, I think this is about as far as I want to go, like I'm doing great. Then what the coach is going to do is take you through the back off process. The back off process ideally typically looks like a scaling down over time of the dose. And the coach, through that process, is going to reverse you again. They're going to reverse I at you again to build up your metabolism and set you up with a metabolic rate that's higher,

so whether you're off the GLP, you have more room to live your life. You don't have to eat so little to maintain your weight loss. And that's what that perfect scenario looks like. And that's the most guaranteed way to get you those results. And here's why it saves money.

Don't do it that way. And what ends up happening is you have to stay on a GLP for a long time to the tune of three to 400 bucks a month. And it's probably going to be on and off for as long as you want to try to keep the weight off without doing those things, which can last a lifetime. So that's the perfect way to do it. And we've had a lot of success with people doing it that way.

Do it. Just take the GLP and see what happens. You're going to have a tough time. You're going to have a really tough time with that. Dude, I have to say, I don't think I've ever, it's like 13 years walking into the studio. I've ever been so impressed with the shoe game. Oh.

By everybody. Talking about me? I mean, I'm starting with you. Oh, okay. But I mean, you even got Doug over there rocking his golden goose. You got you in the Stan Smith. You got Dylan over in the Stan Smith. You got Justin over there and the Panda SBs.

I mean, this is, like, the most elevated shoe game I've ever seen in the studio. This is a fake, but, you know. The knockoff panda over there. Yeah, they're their barefoot version. They are like that, right? They're the wide, the wide towbox ones. Yep. That's what they modeled them after.

They modeled them after. That's why I liked them, though, because they're fashionable. Because they look like that for sure. So I got to tell you what happened. Yeah, yeah. You got him hell of fast, dude. You got it in his head. dude.

Let's just be honest. No. Adam dropped a little bit of the bomb. How long have you known me? You guys know me for a long time. Okay. Shaming me to do something just doesn't work.

I don't care. No, I don't think I shamed you at all. Well, you didn't make fun of me a long. It was a lot of making fun. I don't feel like I did. Oh, we play the tape.

Here's what I probably would have done. And then you were like, oh. Yeah, you said I had girl shoes, bro. I mean, I don't feel like I attacked you. I feel like, I would never said anything. But you brought it, you were like, hey, dude, what do you think of my shoes? Huh?

And you're like, I didn't, you know, I didn't go like that. It went, honest. Those are groceries. Let me give me the honest. No, let me tell you what happened. But work. You said something that actually convinced me.

You want to know what it was? What? You said something and it hit me. I was like, he's right. When you need any kind of health advice or supplement advice, you turn to me and I give you advice and you take it. You're like, dude, I take your advice.

You never take mine. And I sat there and I'm like, what a jerk. He's like, not you, but me. He's right. I've never asked you what kind of shoes I should wear. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'm glad that resonated.

So I went home and I ordered the one shoe you mentioned. But it's so true. It is so true because think about that. Like obviously I know a little bit about supplements and nutrition and exercise science, right? At least enough to sit on the show for a little bit. But I respect that you're better at it. You know what I'm saying? And so I could sit and try and figure out myself or this or I can like,

That's the beauty, I think, of, you know, we talk all about this stuff with having community and friends. That's part of it is being vulnerable enough to go, hey, my boy is smarter than I am in this. I can act like I know more. But it's like, why? When I have like one of my best friends who I can like shoot text over and be like, yo, tell me this, right? Speed dial. Yeah. So like, yeah.

So I was like, all right, which one did he mention? I had to remember. I'm like, stand. Up your fashion game, homie. I saw Dylan came in. Do you see Dillins? No. Dylan's got them all right now.

He's wearing the same pair as you guys. Really? Yeah, yeah. They're pretty comfortable, too. And they're, hey, they're not expensive, right? No. Yes, you don't always have to go crazy over the... By the way, the most expensive shoes in this room right now are not mine.

Doug? No. Yes, they are. Really? Dug's shoes are definitely... They were a gift to me. Oh, God. Look at this guy's going to be deferring.

But they run, you know, $500. Yes. $500? For those sneakers right there. Why? Yes, dude. What are they? Golden Goose.

But what is that? It's an Italian brand. Yeah. Oh, they look, I thought they were converse. I know the star throws people off. Oh my gosh, 500 dollars. They're a Christmas gift. Do they walk for you?

Like, what's going on? They do, actually. You know, I had to call him out. I still want to get those wheelies. Like, I always get all the shit over here. Like, I take all the materialistic Adam bullshit all the time on me, like that I had to be. It's like, quietly my boy over here is, likes all that stuff. and always keeps his mouth shut when I'm getting railed over here.

And it's like, so I'm going to put him on blast today. Like that he's wearing the most expensive shoes in the house. No, that's great. No, so I'm going to be asking more questions, dude, about stuff like that. They look good. Did you get compliments yet? No, just now. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, they look like they just got broken out of the box. They did. I wore them yesterday for the first time. Yeah, yeah. And they're comfortable, right? Yeah. What I love about it, I don't want I think it's such a great style is you can dress them up and dress them down. Like, obviously you're in comfortable sweats right now.

But you may never noticed because you probably don't care, to pay attention to these things, but I wear those with my suit all the time. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I do think I would see you before. Yeah, I'll wear, I'll wear those with a suit. That looks great with a black suit right there. All right. All right. Thank you. All right. I'm going to read you guys. I looked up some information on acetaldehyde. So acetaldehyde is this compound that your body produces when it metabolizes alcohol. And acetaldehyde is why you tend to feel like crap when you drink alcohol. So it's, and your body does a good job of getting. And your body does a good job of getting rid of acetyldehyde, by the way.

So when you drink alcohol, some people do a better job than others. This is why some people can have more than others and feel okay. And this is just alcohols. This isn't like any other fermented. Anything fermented. Well, this is, well, fermented that has alcohol on it, like fermented fruit or something. Yeah, okay. So this is also why we get reports from our audience that uses biotics, why it's life changing

for some people. That's right. That's right. I'm assuming, I've always assumed based on it. It's got worse for some people. Right. Like some people just. metabolize it better or worse than others. I've always assumed that you and I are probably

people that don't metabolize it very well because I'm ultra sensitive to a drink or two will make me feel terrible. And so it's always made me a knot. I mean, admittedly, I enjoy a nice little buzz or having a little glass of wine or here and stuff like that. But the reason why I've never been someone to do that was because I always felt terrible. Same. So here's what it does. This is what acetaldehyde does. It can impair protein function, damage cellular structures, trigger immune responses. Jesus. Cause DNA mutations. The accumulation of it causes nausea, nausea, headache, flushing, tachycardia, sweating. That sounds like a hangar. That's how I would feel. Yeah, not a good time. Yep, it's a carcinogen causes tissue toxicity.

So the reason why zibiotics works so well, which by the way, somebody stopped me the other day and said, I didn't believe you when you talked about on the show and we tried it and it worked so well. We thought it can't possibly be this. We did it again. Like, man, this stuff. What it does is it's a probiotic that's been, it's been genetically modified. So it actually went in and changed the bacteria in zibiotic. So when you drink it, what this bacteria does is it breaks down acetaldehyde. So it actually helps your body clear of acetaldehyde.

Now other, you know, drink supplements or whatever, take this when you drink or before. What they're trying to do is like reduce inflammation. Yeah. They're trying to maybe hydrate you. Not bad. but none of them target acetaldehyde effectively. I don't know. Like we all have a friend in the space that's an influencer

and she gave me her like product she promotes. And I was like, Oh, I know what we're talking about. I was out of zibiotic and so I like use it. And it was not even close. Like it just didn't have that like, like effect the next day where you're just, you wake up and it's like I didn't even feel like other than being tired.

Yeah. Yeah, wouldn't even know the difference. I know. Oh, yeah. I've tried all the, because I know that I'm so easy, I've tried all the hangover pill and like all the other stuff that's out there. It's just like Advil at the end of the day. Yeah. And even though they have some positive properties that are helpful, it's nowhere near the same thing. But yeah, it's a, it's a pre-alcohol drink is what Zibiotics is marketed.

They say that, so they tell you that's the protocol is to drink it before you drink, although I will admit that there's been times where I forgot and then I'm like two drinks in. I still feel the effect. It'll help with the accumulation afterwards. Yeah. So, like, I know that they, that's the protocol and ideal is you take it first before you have a drink. But there's been a time where it's like, I didn't think I was going to really. And then, or I just grab it and then like, then I get to it like two drinks later. And it still makes a huge difference.

All right. I'm going to say, subject. I got to tell you guys a story. Dude, this is just, just, bro. It was, it was simultaneously shocking, creepy, uh, maybe a little flattering. Maybe. I'm not going to, I'm not going to what? But, but also creepy.

It's a crazy mix. Also creepy. So creepy and flatter Bro, listen to this story I can't believe people do this Or do, I don't know Anyway, we go to the pool So me, Jessica and the kids

Are at the pool and we're hanging out This at the gym one, right? Yeah, and I'm not going to say too much I don't want to mention she's like You tell people the gym we go to I'm not going to say anymore But we went and we're at the pool We're all hanging out

And we went in the hot tub So Jessica and I are in the hot tub And then I leave to go play with the kids Or whatever And there's other people in the hot tub So there's this woman in there she looks at my wife. She goes, hey, this is going to sit.

She's like, this is crazy. I know it sounds wild, but I got to tell you this. So Jessica's like, okay, what's going on? So me and my husband play this game where we look at people around us and we pick out who we would sleep with. So now Jessica's like, get me out of here. Like, she's like, what's going on here? And she says, I know where this is going. First of all, that's opening conversation.

I don't know where people get the gall to the anyway. So they say that, she says that to Jessica. And she goes, and you know, I saw your husband. And my husband saw him. And then she prefaces, my husband's straight, by the way. He's straight. So already I'm like, oh, oh. And he said, and he, and she goes, I said, is that the guy that you were telling me about?

And my husband goes, yeah. And she goes, yeah, it's your husband. And, you know, he's a really handsome guy. And Jessica's like, yeah, thanks. He's a really handsome guy. Then I get in, I get in the jacuzzi. She gives me the look. And I'm like, oh.

Let's get out of it. Yeah, dude. And so we get out. By the way, to make it worse, the woman had her kids in the jacuzzi with her at the same time. Oh, my God. Old enough to understand and hear the conversation. Oh, my God. Really?

Yeah, dude. Oh, that's really weird. Yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah. What is happening? That's already... That's already weird. Even more weird to disclose that right in front of your kids.

Dude, my husband picked you out. It was like, he'd be good. With you. You know what's crazy about that? It must have worked at some point for her to do it again. You know what it is? It's a... It's a...

It's a... It's a... It's a... It's a... It's a... people like you guys and two people say yes. That's just it. It's a numbers game, right?

I mean, what is the statistics on couples that? Well, it's always the wife too because that's like the introduction. Oh, yeah. A dude can't do that. Oh, absolutely not. If he was a guy talking about wife like that, that would have been a fight. That's happened to us before too.

But yeah, it was always the wife that would come up. Always. Is there ever a time when it's not, that would be, that's not a winning strategy. So if you're a swing, right, you sit a husband in your terrible strategy. Yeah, yeah. That they can't possibly. I'm privy to the whole pineapple thing too, so don't try. What is that?

I don't know. Dude, it's just like a signal. It's like, hey, I'm a swinger. Don't you guys remember when I'm so mad I didn't do it to you guys. In fact, I think I had, I don't know who was working for us at that time. I had got all the lufas. Lufus on your car and your door all mean different, different color lufus stand for different things. Like, are you just swinging or do you cross husband and husband?

Lufa was a thing. Yeah, yeah. Look up, look up, look up, look up Lufa codes in swingers. Yeah. I told you guys with it. And I was going to prank you guys by putting them on your cars. And so, uh, there you go. Right there.

What does that say? Read what does that say. Read what does that say. Yeah, let me pull it up here. I've never seen a lufo. Oh, you had it. Okay. Yeah.

I just trying to make it bigger. Yeah. I can read it. You, hey, actually, now that I'm telling you this, okay, listen, now that I'm telling you this, you will see it. I've never seen it before until I, and then actually, because you know why? Yeah. It just doesn't, you wouldn't think to look for a loop on a car. So funny, when I'm searching here, you know what ad popped up? What? Michael Coors. Stop. Stop. Still trying to get you.

Stop. That's why. All right. All right. Here are the lufas. All right. White is for novices and beginners. Purple, voyeur, and people who like to watch. pink soft swap people who like to do it with others in the room yellow mild levels mid-level swap for those who want to have fun but are still nervous black full swap those who say what the hell let it go down and then teal is for the bisexuals so there you goes yeah isn't that crazy bro if i see that on a car now oh you will because i i didn't know about it i don't even remember who told me about it how I first heard about it. And then I'm like, what? I looked it up, confirmed it, just like Doug did. And then I swear, it wasn't even that much longer after that. I caught like a lufa on like a car.

And I was like, so you were going to prank us by putting it on your car? Yeah, so I was going to put it out of your guys. What color were you going to use? Yeah, we stayed in an Airbnb black for you guys down. A bunch of pineapple decorations everywhere. And I was just like, why are they so obsessed with pineapples? Upside down ones, apparently. Yeah, upside down ones.

Yeah, it just was everywhere. And I'm like, oh. That's also the code. first winger, right? Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. Upside down pineapple, right? Yeah, yeah. Why pineapple? What's the history? Yeah, see, look at the car. So show that car because this is how you'll see it when you see it on the cars.

Oh, yeah. You had it. We'll go back. Okay. You had it on the, yeah, I see right here. Yeah, you'll see like someone will tie it up on the thing like that or I'll be around the antenna or something like that. You'll see it just like that. Dude, isn't that crazy? We got to come up with a code for like powerlifter, crossfitter, straight. We can't use the car. Boopers. Duplers are taken. Dude, remember that how? You guys remember that house that we rented years ago?

I don't remember we were creating a program. The one in L.A.? It was like nine years. It was in L.A. San Fernando Valley. It was in San Fernando Valley. Oh, yeah. And I think we're trying to save money.

Still had like traces of weed and stuff on the counter. And we left. Remember we left? Yeah, dude. They were filming something, obviously, there. Yeah, yeah. And we took off. It had big cables that were in the walls and everything.

Super creepy. Yeah. A lot of locked doors there. We were like, what's behind here? Yeah, no. I'm out of here, dude. I am out of here. Did you see, Adam, I'm wondering if you saw it.

Did you see the new income brackets? The federal... I did. Did you go through them? Yeah, I did. I did. It's wild. So these are the new...

It's like wild. It's like, I mean, to be considered like just upper class now is like the 200s. And it gets wild. So this is income. So you can have wealth and income. So there's two categories. Wealth includes like if you own property. This is income, okay?

So it's a federal income bracket. And again, this is different from place to place. Obviously, we live in Silicon Valley. It's going to be like quadruple, all of this. But here's what it is. Poverty is making less than $15,900 a year. This is for family four. So family of four poverty.

Near poverty is between 16,000 and 31,000. Lower income is above that to 55,000. Lower middle class is above that to 83,000. Middle class is above that to 83,000. Middle class is above that to $125,000. Upper middle class is above that to $167. And upper income is above $168,000 a year for Family 4. Oh, it was $2.250, I thought it was.

So these are the new income brackets for, which you know what's wild about this? Middle class now for Family 4 in the whole U.S. is around six figures, which that changed quite a bit. That changed. Well, that used to be upper class. Six figures was like, I remember that was growing up, that was like, oh, my, That was the goal. Oh, yeah.

Could you make six figures? Yeah. Now, where we live in the Bay Area, it's got to be way different. Oh, yeah. Like you said, so I've also seen a stat on that. Like the, just to own a home in the Bay Area, they, just to own a home in the Bay Area, they say that you need to have a combined income of 250 or 260. In the Bay Area?

Yes. That still seems low. Well, that's just to afford a home. That is like any home, a town home, like anything. Yeah, that's like to be able to afford. to home that's in the Bay Area. I saw, oh, did you just pull it up? Yeah.

So, 296. Wow. Bay Area, lower middle class is around 100,000. For a household. Per household. Yeah. So if you're supporting a family of four. Middle class is 98 to 296.

With cities like San Jose and San Francisco recording median household incomes around 140 to 148. So that's the median, which is crazy. What's the top 1%? Right there. Top 5% of earners, top 5% of earners is, 500k annually, top 1% earners. Is that still Bay Area or just total?

This is Bay Area. So Bay Area, top 1% earners are generally 800 to a million plus annually. Yeah. And then true wealth in the Bay Area heavily tied to real estate net worth. The top 3% of Californians have net worth exceeding $8.7 million. A lot of people in the Bay Area, if you don't live here, it sounds wild. But a lot of people in the Bay Area have a net worth in the millions, but it's not because they're wealthy. It's because they bought a home.

10 or more years ago. 30 years ago. Like my parents. My parents bought their home a long time ago. And let me tell you, my parents are not wealthy, okay, at all, not even close. But their home is worth $2 million. So that's now they're, well, this is the greatest, or not the greatest, but this is one of the greatest challenges that the young people growing coming up right now have in an area like this is that it's gone so far. I mean, listen, your starter home now in the Bay Area is a million dollars.

Yeah. 25% down on that is a quarter million dollars. The amount of money you have to make to save that. To pay off your student loans, to pay for your rent, to pay for your car, to also save enough to do a quarter of money is insane. I mean, you're talking about years and years and years and years of consistently living well below your means in order to do that. Or finding a way to make more income. Or partnering up or marrying some.

who has an equal size of an income or more more. Move to Fresno and Bakersfield. Yeah. The Bay Area might not be few. Yeah. I don't understand. Well, that's what my, my, my, my best friend, him and I, when I got my place when I was 21, we lived together for five, five years all the way through when he finishes his

schooling, got a good, good job, making six figures in the Bay Area as a PTA. And then he, when he was settling down with his. girl who's married to now and have two kids. He, and she is a nurse in the Bay Area, so making good money. But both of them were like, if we want to build a family and stuff like that with these like, it's going to take it's forever to grow here. And so, and they both had a profession that you could go to the Central Valley. Yeah.

And make relatively similar income. They took a little bit of a payout, but not as much to what the housing was. Of course. They were able to go buy a really nice, you know, 3,600 square foot. but four or five bedroom. It's 2.5 million. Oh, yeah, yeah, over there. There's pockets of California, yeah, like that, the Central Valley.

But, again, it's less desirable, so I get it. But I, too, I know some people that actually, like, commuted from Los Banos to get into, you know, work here in the Bay Area. And then they, like, commute, like, hours every day home. But, you know, that's one way they can at least, like, start building on something. My buddy's a, he's a doctor. And we were talking about this. He's like, man, if my daughter goes to school, and goes to medical school

and does residency and graduates, she'll be making a couple hundred grand a year after all that schooling, after medical school, after residency with a huge amount of debt. She won't be able to live here. Yeah. My nephew right now is who I spent the last weekend with.

He's going to medical school. He wants to be a doctor. He wants to be the radiologist, the one who oversees the technicians. I don't know. I think it's, He's got to go through medical school, everything, just like a normal doctor. But you're talking like eight years of schooling.

And yes, they come out the gates. I think they start starting wages like 300K or something like that a year, which sounds like so much when you're a kid who's gone from nothing to that is a lot. And it is a lot of money. But if you've got, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars at least in school. In debt. In school debt. And then you also have to rent in the Bay Area to start off.

off, right? And you're not finding a modest condo or studio in the Bay Area. You're spending $2,500 a month plus a car. You even have people in tech. You got people in tech. And tech can be very high paying. But you got people in tech who are like four or five people in one house. And they're all making money. Yeah. Now, here's what's interesting. And you and I have tech's conversations back and forth a bit when we talk about economics and future and all stuff at that and real estate stuff. like, I have a theory because a lot of people are like predicting this crash that's coming. And I think we're already, we're already in a mild recession. We've been in one for the last two or two, three years now of like a pullback on real estate

and stuff like that. So I already think we've been in this. I don't think we're going to see a crash. I think we're in amidst changing times. I think that the future is not everybody owns a home. It's a good. It's a luxury. And here's some of the signals beside that.

Like, we just assume that that everybody gets to do that. Like, we've just, that's part of the American dream. Right. And we, since the 70s, we've been moving away from that. Yep. And we've dramatically. And what, what. Policies have taken that dream.

And then also look at the behaviors of the younger generation with owning stuff. Uber. Everything's rented. Like, I was telling Sal this. I don't know if you guys know this. You guys know that there's companies that rent purses. I was hanging out with someone And luxury watches

And she She and it's totally understandable Of course they do Well think about Think about how smart this is I think she pay I want to say it's like 250 a month $250 a month or something like that

Is her monthly fee or whatever But she gets up to a Five or $7,000 purse Budget every single week I think they'll send her a different one She can she And so and then As a female who likes those purses

How often do you wear one When you go out to a dinner Or a party of things So it's probably only once a week. Maybe you want a different purse. This is like some monthly subscription. Yes. And then she can trade out.

Rotates it out. And so she's always got a new fashionable. If they lose it, then they end up charging with a full amount. It's insured. I'm sure you have a, yeah, I'm sure there's an insurance policy in it and stuff like that. And you probably have a smart business. It's a changing economy. Part of the reason for it.

They do it for Rolex watches. For $2.50 a night, you can rent a, you know, a $20,000 Rolex watch that you can wear. So here, so what happened was, it was part of it. of the American dream, part of the American dream was you buy a house, you pay it off. And what happened was so many people tied up their wealth and retirement in that, that it continued to drive the prices up. And the policy was to never allow housing prices to drop. Because as a politician, now that you have so many people whose wealth and stability is in their homes,

that if we allow that to correct, it's going to be really bad. So what they keep doing is promoting more. policies and ways to continue to pump, you know, pump up the housing market. Try a solid opportunity. The result of which is exactly, I don't know what you're saying, is that the future is not owning. The future is you rent everything. Yeah.

You don't own anything. Yeah. And I think that was in the world economic form. Yeah, I know. I think they said eerily similar to their message. We're just moving in that direction. And we always want to pull back to like these things that has happened in the past. And so, oh, this is going to happen because that happened before.

and it's such a fallacy. That's not how it works. In fact, the things that impact our economy are things that we never predict. COVID. What do you think about the ramifications of COVID economically, legislation-wise? Yeah, of course. Like, no economists could have predicted that. Yeah, that had the largest impact.

Through a huge wrench and everything. So this idea of like, oh, this is, you know, the typical trend in the stock market and the housing market is this and therefore it's going to do this. It's like that's such a fallacy to believe that. It's like, because there's other factors that always play a role. And one of the biggest factors I think right now in what does the housing and the economy look like in the future is that we're moving away from this caring to own stuff like that. We're borrowing and renting and Ubering and Airbnb. We don't like it's just moving in that direction. Now that, me saying that doesn't mean there's not value in being somebody who owns those things. Right. I think

if you can accumulate enough wealth and savings and invest in those things, I think that positions you very well. But I absolutely think that a vast majority of people in the future will not care to own any of that stuff. I think so. And along those lines, there was a large general social survey is reported in the social leap in 2018. And they were looking at what things impact people's happiness the most, here's one of the shocking findings. What's not shocking for, I think for us, but I think for a lot of people that were shocked, poor Americans, so people who qualify as poor in the income bracket, who attend church regularly are happier than wealthy Americans who never go. So 36% of poor Americans who go to church regularly are happy, very happy,

Not just happy, but very happy. 26% of wealthy Americans who never go are very happy. So kind of a good way to kind of segue into the conversation because we're talking about money. And I know if you really boil down, like, why do you want money? Why do you want more money? Would you get it down to like the fundamental thing? People say, well, besides the basics, it's like, well, it makes me happy. Needs, but then what?

Yeah, it makes me happy. And it's like the data shows it's not a great way to be happy, especially in comparison. and to other things like community and church. It's a, how interesting is that? It's a tool for trading time. Yeah. That's all it really is. It's a tool for trading time.

If you give up time to go work and earn it, then turn around and spend it on things that either take up your time or give you time back. Yeah. That's all it is. Or give you autonomy. And when you, when you constantly are working to buy materialistic things that don't buy back time, it's like, that's an endless chase. and so and you'll eventually figure out that like oh wow that's not as and you'll it's not as valuable

as I thought or you'll get trapped in the rat race of more more more more more totally right it's just like oh it's not it's because that car's not big enough for more expensive so I need this or that house is so that thing and so you just keep going that but I mean the most valuable thing that you can do is to to buy back your time and to place it in the things that do add true value Along those lines, there's a research, some research that was just published on the, and it was a massive demographic model analyzing 236 countries since 1950. And they're talking about global fertility or how little kids people are having. And so here's what they found. A 60,000 year first.

So this hasn't happened in modern human history, not during World War, not during global pandemics, not ever. That global fertility has fallen below the reality. replacement rate. Widespread collapse out of 236 countries, 219 are actively in negative fertility trends. Does it matter if the country's rich, poor, whatever, the birth rates are crashing everywhere. The only reason global population is growing right now is called population momentum, that older generations are still alive. In roughly 30 years, the global population will peak and then plunge.

And here's the crazy part. Policies are doing nothing. So far, no government intervention. Tax credits, extended leave, whatever, has successfully reversed this trend. So this is an aging world. So people are living longer, but we're not having new, yeah, babies. The only possible solution to the, because this is a calamity. Like this goes, this goes, continues this way, which is going to.

You said 30 years? 30 years, we're going to see a huge collapse. So, okay, then you have to ask yourself, where do you sit on the, the biohacking longevity side? because part of why we haven't seen this big fall office to the exact point you made that we're living longer, do you believe with science and technology that we're going to prolong that even more? I do.

I do. But what about the fact that we're going to have more old people than young people, more people who aren't working than there are people who are working, which is a economic disaster? The only positive solution I can see are, and it's going to sound funny, but robots. Yeah, well, hold on, hold on, hold on, though,

the challenge to push back and challenge that, too. How many decades now are we in a row of people extending the age that they're working? The age of the average person, retirement age has increased over the last few decades, and it's continually increased. So. Can you look at that, Doug, average age of retirement today versus 30 years ago? Yeah. I like to see what that is.

Yeah. And so it sounds so crazy, but if we're living to 100, 100, 10, 120, it's not so weird that we work till 70 or 80 now. And I mean, all of us have said that. Like, I could totally do this till 70 or 80. Like, I wouldn't be mad at that. And so maybe that's also, maybe that's also going to shift and change. It's not, we're not going to remain the same retirement age while also.

So it's only gone up about three years. So 65 today versus 20, 30 years ago, 62. So it is kind of going up. But here's the problem. Like, you're going to have a lot of people retiring with wealth. They did a good job. so they're just going to work. We need people to work.

We need people to innovate to make things to support and build society. But that's why I said robots. You're going to say, then you also have that factor. Because if you dramatically increase the productivity of one worker by, you know, a hundredfold because of AI and robots, then that could definitely solve. But then, you know, Order 66. You know, what are we going to do about that?

Wait, wait, what's that example? So we get promoted this idea that, like, robots are going to do all these things in your house, they're going to take over this. but you know maybe back engineered in there is a switch i still have a hard time i know i know that we have this ongoing debate about the robot and dishes and stuff like that and maybe this is just my my monkey brain i can't see it or whatever like but i just have a hard time picturing this robot walking around my house all day i know it's like doing shit like and doing it efficiently enough to where i don't have to do it like um you know i already i already get frustrated my wife

the way she loads a dishwasher. Like what my, I'm assuming my AI is going to do it or my, my robot AI. You've been to some of those tech conferences, right? Like, I've been to, and so you see videos and it's all like, that's the thing. I'm kind of in your camp because it's, a lot of it is so overhyped. Because like when I see them actually move in person, bro, it is weak. It is way weak. It's very still just very like not smooth.

Well, we guys don't think they're going to solve that, though? Of course, it'll get better. Yeah, but how long will that, okay, again, and I know you're not a big cooker in the kitchen. I know you are, so you will probably appreciate this a little bit more, Doug. But like when I'm in the kitchen and I'm preparing dinner, I'm literally doing so many things. I'm like cleaning over here. I'm grilling over there. I'm like, and so I just can't imagine this thing being in there and doing all those things so efficiently, seamlessly at the same time.

And again, maybe it's my monkey brain just can't. I could see it breaking up all four of those jobs that I'm doing at once and it's taking eight hours in my kitchen that I'm going to have this thing. Can you look up so Roomba's having like chips in them and like cameras that spy on us? Yeah, dude. Because if that happens in a freaking Roomba, this is why I bring that up. Like you're going to have a fully mobile robot. You know that's what's going on.

Robot. They're already in homes and they're being constrained by or being controlled by people over in the Philippines. Somebody is literally already walking around a house. They're doing the movements forum. Yeah. And yeah, it's silly to me. There are no spy chips. According to this anyway.

Bullshit. Well, I mean, you Google that at spy chips. But what they have proven, Justin, and I have seen it, is that they, they, and this is what they, how they, you know, quote unquote, is there, they track, they track the housing square footage and all the area, surface area. And so it's definitely picking up data. It's not like, it's not down. I think, but I mean, look, the way these things move. Yeah, but I think they'll figure it out, dude. I think they'll figure it out.

They're going to keep getting better. But they better get better, you guys. With population collapse, we need them. We're going to need robots. People need to have more kids. Nobody's doing it. Yeah. So we're going to need robot character.

So to me, that's the optimistic size. That's why when you say like a 30-year horizon on this, like I don't, like crazy to think how different with Moore's law, 30 years is going to be. Like, none of us in here. We can't even fathom them. I know. Like, we can't. So, like, to worry about things like population collapse,

and I know that those become talking points and so of that. It's just like, oh, you know what how many things we're going to innovate, change, and be different? You know what this reminds me of? That's really wild. It's one of the greatest lies that people were sold. There was a book in 1970-something something called Population Bomb. Maybe you could find it, Doug, for me.

And it was this scientist who made the case that we're going to run out of food. We're going to run out of oil. Right. We're done. And his prediction was like, I don't remember what year it was. It was a book. And I guess I think by 1990 we were supposed to be like starving, right? But what he doesn't calculate for, what he never calculated for was that we get better

at producing things and we get better at getting resources. We have more oil available to us now because of technology than we did in 1970. Even though we're using way more of it. We have more available today. Isn't that wild? We make more food and produce more food and feed more people today. by far than we did back in 1968. So

it was such a lie and a lot of people still believe this lie like we can't have more people and keep having more people. That's not good for the earth as if the earth is this like this being or whatever but that's not true actually more people is better. It's better you got more in a nation and we're and efficiency on how we're like we went through this period of time too where and I know there's the

climate change people that are screaming on the other side. It's like what we're doing damage wise today versus what we were in the 70s and 80s, like we're continuing to improve on the carbon footprint side and we're doing things like that that are in the positive direction. We're more environmentally concerned,

I would say now, as a result, which is a positive thing, but it's like, yeah, look at that, if we actually look at the actual data, like it's, well,

not to get too controversial, but who was I talking to? Somebody, I was talking to somebody. It was like one of my younger cousins. It might have been my niece, actually. And we're talking about like the earth

and how, the earth would be so much better if there were no humans on earth. And I said, who would enjoy the earth? She's like, well, you know, but the earth would be better. I said, you know, you have to, number one, as humans, we have to put ourselves at the top, which we are. That doesn't mean we're not good stewards of our resources and we don't treat animals well and all that stuff. That doesn't mean that. But who cares if we all disappear and the earth is flourishing?

If there's no people, there's no people. It's such a weird way to look at it. Which is wild. There are people like that. They're like anti-human. They look as this as a virus. It's a very twisted, dark mentality. That is very nihilistic.

Like you look at other people like, oh, you're bad. It's like, I mean, no. Okay. So I've been watching this new series. It's just like what's the tiger king, but it's with lizards and reptiles. And it's wild, right? And, you know, and a lot of these people are really wild people, like, you know, very, like criminals and, you know, there's some, some decorated, colorful pasts. But a lot of it, like, they're more comfortable with animals and their whole thing is because they've been hurt.

They've been damaged. They've had trauma. Like, and it's all, like, you know, some childhood thing. But it's like, oh, but animals would never do that to me. And, like, they're always friendly. And, yeah, yeah, until they, like, rip your face off. But, you know, right now, like, that's what they're, that's their, that's their, um, framing and that's their perspective. Is that a common thing that, um, people that had, like, childhood traumas are that are drawn to animals?

Is that like a, is that a common thing? I think so. In certain cases, yeah. I think, have you ever seen, I think, have you guys, have seen this? I think, yeah. If you really break this down, it's really dark and twisted. Uh, I know people, I know a lot of people. In fact, I'm going to say this and people are going to resonate.

It's going to resonate with a lot of people. They can handle a person getting killed in a movie, no problem. But if a dog or an animal dies, oh my God, I can't watch that movie. Isn't that crazy? That's why that John Wick thing resonated so much with people. They killed his dog. Then you just went like, Craig, killed like thousands of people. They're like cheering them, you know?

Wait a minute. Interesting. Yes, people with childhood trauma are often drawn to animals. This connection provides a deep sense of emotional safety and trust that human relationship might lack. Interesting. It makes sense. I have examples of my life right now.

I wonder if the type of animal you owns, is there a way to predict trauma by the type of animal? I'm sure that's why dogs are known as, what you call it, security dog. They are. They are, but I think. I'm sure they're loyalty,

their demeanor. Even by that. Empomorphizing of like lizards are like cold and dark. So that's what I'm supposed to say. Soulless, in my opinion. Everybody likes dogs. Everybody,

so many dogs are owned. But is there a particular type of animal that if they own these animals, there's odds that they've had some bad trauma, are much higher. Like, is it spiders? Is it like lizards? Is it snakes? I'm guessing. I have no idea. Yeah, that'd be interesting. But I don't know if there's any data. Look at what he got. How'd you, how'd you Google it? Yeah, can you predict trauma by the type of animal someone has? How about this? Are people, look it. He got it. Dogs are people that are seeking social connection. A lot of people on dogs. Yeah, but look at cats. Yeah. Introversion and sensitivity, trauma and stress.

Birds, reptiles, exotic, unconventionally, trauma and stress mechanism to manage daily. Okay, that's all. Yeah. So I'm going to guess. I don't know if this data exists, but I think when people own a lot of like reptiles and spiders and stuff, I would imagine there's probably a higher. It's like push people away. I am totally guessing. I am totally. I got no problem people on those things, but it's just a guess. Just the total guess. What's the guess? The guess is that if you own like tarantulas and snakes, you might have a higher chance of, you had gone through some serious trauma. Oh, I don't think I don't believe that. I think no different than an animal. I think it's less like that. I think that stuff is probably connected to probably a positive experience, right? Somebody who was comfortable playing with bugs when they were little or they had a parent that was into it. And so they are, I would think that's more related.

I mean, that's all their parents would never let them have it. And then they always longed for it, which I don't know. Maybe I'm saying this because I can't, I never own one of those. Yeah. I don't actually mind. I don't mind lizards. I like them. I like, you know, having them as a pet, it's just like, what?

Yeah, no, I've known people who are that. that like those things that I know that aren't like that. But the one that is interesting to me is that that there is just a connection there that people that have had childhood trauma tend to also. I think that's more interesting that if you've had childhood trauma, you also probably are probably more likely to. And dogs are special. Let's be honest.

Dogs are special. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Best animal. You know, you said lizard, speaking of lizard skin. Okay. Justin's skin doesn't look like lizard skin. Oh, wow.

Look at that. So. I'm not shitting. I got to ask you guys, what's your favorite? We all use Caldera Lab. What's your favorite skincare one? Because they have the good. What's the other one called?

The good, the great. The base layer, they have the hydro layer. You guys have a favorite soap? The good, the serum. The serum is your favorite? Yeah, because I have my psoriasis and it's dry. So pre-Caldera, one of the natural things I used to do, alike as like coconut oil or some sort of an oil on it.

And so that natural serum on my dry skin just, it is so good. So I was actually impressed that you guys didn't like totally blast me for having like crazy sunburn. Because over when I went to Lugina Seca and I came back in podcasts, I was like still. That was like fresh like a day. And I put the serum on everything like over the weekend just as like a precautionary thing

overnight. It had to have made a difference. It was bad. I was like super, dude, I was like a tomato. No, your skin looks good. It does. So I like the good and then I like the great, both of my favorites. My wife likes the hydro layer of the best.

Yeah. I mean, I like them all. I use them. I use them all, but the good is what I use the most of. That's the best. Yeah, I think it's easy too. It's just a couple drops of that goes so far. Did I, I've told you guys this story.

This is like the 10th time has happened. Someone stopped me and said, you're the Caldera guy. Yeah. I'm the Caldera guy, apparently. I always think I have a part. I always think it's hilarious. You get all the good talking points. I mean, I had somebody just sent me to some stuff too of another partner of ours

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Dot superpatch.com. That link will get you $30 off. Back to the show. Our first caller is Kennedy from Missouri. What's up, Kennedy? How are you doing, Kennedy? What's happening? Nothing.

How are you all doing? Good, man. Good, dude. How you doing, bro? Good. It's good to see y'all again. It's been good. So I've been running maps since the last time, the performance since the last time we talked.

I bumped my calories to 26 to 2,800 a day rather than 1,600 that I was doing. I've really been focusing on like progressive overload while I've been there and trying to increase weights every time I'm doing a functional day. then the mobility has been a huge, huge benefit for me. I've always been somebody that's not flexible whatsoever. So just like having something that forces me to go in there and stretch and like loosen up is a huge benefit. And I've seen drastic changes just in how I feel, I would say. Awesome. Easy it is to move around or even do like squats or 10 times easier now that I can move better.

obviously. And then my leg situation, it's probably the best it's been since it happened. Good news, dude. I think there's a mental barrier that got broke of, I can't do something when it's just like push yourself past it. Because I just started phase three. So it was like box jumps and the ice skaters and stuff.

And those are things that I would have never probably pushed myself to do if it wasn't in this program because I'd been worried about my leg and my ankle messing up, but I haven't had a single problem with it. Nothing at all. So I haven't weighed since I will last talked. I mean, maybe once a couple weeks ago, and it was still the same, about 180. So I haven't gained any weight. My strength went up every time I was in the gym. So it's been great. And I love the program.

It's definitely hard, but. Yeah, good. So just to recap, Kennedy, you had a huge injury years ago. Yes. And you had issues with stability around that. And then your calories were really low because you were worried about, you know, gaining weight, essentially, or getting really overweight. And what's happened is you're following a good.

program, which, you know, definitely plays a role in what you're feeling right now, for sure. But the bigger impact, and again, they're both very impactful, but the bigger impact is the fact that you went from 1,600 to 26 to 2,800 calories. This is what's making such a massive difference in your strength and mobility, is that you're eating another 1,000 calories. And that's what's making such a big difference. then the programming definitely makes a difference, like I said, but the calories are the big thing.

And so if you want to keep moving, and what you're noticing is no weight gain on the scale. But you are leaner. In your email it says you feel leaner. I do feel like I can see more definition throughout my shoulders and biceps and stuff like that. So what's happened is you've built some muscle and you've lost some body fat.

Yep. Now, if you want to keep going down this path, and I'm going to define the path. More strength, more vitality, moving better, faster metabolism, hormones better. You want to keep moving down this path, then I can give you some more advice. Yeah, of course.

Okay. I want you to bump your calories again. Okay. Yeah, I want you to get up to... What are you thinking this time? I want you to go up, if you're between 26 to 28, I want you to go up to 3 to 32. Oh, I was going to say 28 to 3.

Yeah. But I want you just, yeah, 3,000 would be a nice target. Okay. After you're done with Maps performance, you can run it again or you can do map symmetry. Okay. And you're going to keep seeing great results. You're going to keep seeing great results doing that. Getting stronger every workout is it's not just good.

It's exceptionally good. So, I mean, you're kicking ass. There's more runway. Yeah, you're humming right now. I appreciate it. The 2,600 calories is still too low. Now, it's way more than what you were at, but it's still too low. because we're still, we're doing this body comp change thing,

when the main goal is, let's get you strong, dude. Let's get your leg feeling super secure and stable. We can worry about getting down to 10% after we accomplish that, which, by the way, is going to be a lot easier because you're going to have a roaring metabolism. Oh, yeah. You know, you'll be able to cut, let me put it this way. You'll be able to cut down to 24, 2,500 calories

and get down to 10% body fat. Okay, yeah, that would be helpful. That'll be a deficit. for you. Yeah, that would be awesome. Yeah. So keep moving down this path and bump them up again, dude. 3,000 is the consistent target. After mass performance is done, symmetry would be the next program to follow. And that's it, bro. You're doing great. Perfect. Thank you all. And I appreciate it all and meeting with you all again. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to hear how you are after this, too, because I think this is, I can't wait to hear where you're at after going up to 3,000, 3,300 calories. You're just going to

keep building muscle, dude, and keep cleaning out. You've literally unlocked something. And, you know, I'd like to ask you this, and you kind of touched on this a little bit, tell me a little bit about the kind of the fear that you overcame with bumping the calories and working out the way you are right now. Like, what does that feel like to you? It gave me a confidence that I haven't had in a long time. I think a big part of the reason I, like, told you all last time I fell out of love with the gym.

It was like I just would go in there and I feel like I had no direction. And it was the same old push, pull legs, same thing every day. And so, like, doing something like this, it made me realize, like, I am a lot more athletic than I guess I thought I was, even after my whole incident. And that brought back a confidence. I was like, okay, like push past it, figured out, be careful doing it, but figured out. It doesn't define who I am. It doesn't define what my body can do. and we can overcome it and make it 10 times better than it was,

even though it's a crappy situation. Yeah, dude. I love that you're leaning into the movement, especially with the mobility. And that's really just going to keep unlocking new potential for you, man. So it's super exciting. What it's going to feel like if it isn't already, because you're about your own phase three,

so you're like two months in maybe, right, 60 days? Okay. Yeah. It's only two months. Let me just remind you, bro. This is 60 days. Like how long were you eating? How long were you eating 16 hundred calories and doing push-pulled legs?

From probably January to when I talk to you all. Yeah. So this has only been, this has only been two months. Yep. So what it's going to feel like, because you're going to feel this if you aren't already in the rest of your life, like you're lifting,

like you're taking the blinds off. Like, whoa. Like you're going to have more energy in the world, better mood, better libido, more confidence. and other things because it had such a profound. And by the way, it's not just you. That'll have a profound impact on anybody.

You take a man who's active and you force them eat 16,100 calories a day, and all of your body's systems are down and depressed, all of them. So that's why you're getting stronger all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So bump them again. 3,000. Be consistent.

After performance, follow symmetry. You're going to be great, dude. By the way, at the end of symmetry is a bilateral five-by-five phase, which you'll probably be ready for by the, the end of performance and symmetry. And when you get there, dude, it's going to be, you're going to be like, holy cow. All new gains waiting for you right there. That's right.

Okay, perfect. You killed it, dude. Great job. Yeah, good job, man. Great job. Thank you all. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah.

You got it, man. Probably you, dude. Yeah, reach back out in 60 days. Let us know what's happening. Send us an email. Okay. Sounds good. All right.

Later, man. A huge success story. Huge. So rad. Yeah. You know, and by the way, he said something. I just want to touch on. He said, I feel more flexible.

and mobile. And I never thought I was a flexible mobile guy. There's two reasons for that. One, he's 60 days into a program that focuses on mobility. The other, and people don't realize this, is when you're underfed for a long period of time, your body shuts things down. It restricts movement. It restricts energy.

It restricts lots of different things. And when you live to conserve. When you live there for a while, it's like, this is just how I am, is what it feels like. And then, you know, when I do this with clients, they would be like, I'm a new person is what they would say. That's what he's starting to realize is that he's becoming a new person. He's really unlocking new potential.

I mean, here's another one of these great stories. This is the thing that we constantly, like, increased calories by a thousand calories, not gaining weight on the scale. That's crazy. That doesn't math. How does that work? Come on, science guy. Did he gain 35 pounds of muscle to boost up that metabolism?

How does that work? It's wild. You see it over and over and over again, though. That's right. Our next caller is Eresai from California. I'm sorry, Colorado, sorry. Eresai, what's up, man? Hey, how can we help you?

First of all, I'm just really excited to be talking to you guys. I've been listening to a podcast for six, seven years maybe. I even went back to catch up on all the episodes, and I just love your show. I try to share it with everybody that asked me for any type of fitness advice or anything like that. I always tell them, like, listen to these guys. I know what they're talking about. Thanks, man.

Appreciate that, brother. Thank you. Yeah, but basically, so a little bit about me. I'm 27. I've been working out for a while. The last, like, three or four years, I started a job that's very physical. I'm a food service delivery driver, so I drive a semi-truck, go to restaurants, deliver their stuff. by hand with the dolly.

I usually get 10 to 15,000 steps in a day, and I pick up 20 to 25,000 pounds worth of product every day. And so I had to cut back a lot on my workout volumes, but I kept running into lower back pain issues, especially this year I've had twice that I've injured myself, had to take a few days off work and kind of let it heal, thankfully there's no actual like disc injuries or anything like that it's just like a muscle hole or something like that so my question to you guys was how can i strengthen my lower back

as well as uh maybe i don't know if it might be support it yeah while still going to work every day of the week and doing all that heavy lifting and stuff like that without overdoing it in the end. Eris, I'm going to ask you a couple questions. Just get some clarity, okay? Yeah. Is it the same kind of back injury each time? I think it is because both times,

I don't know if it was the same side, but both times when I got hurt, my hips shifted to the side, and I was, like, walking sideways for a few days before it, like, actually got better. Got it. And where do you feel the pain? It's usually right around the very low back,

like to the side, sometimes even down. to like my hips kind of. Okay, okay. And how did you hurt it? What were you doing? The first time it was just at work, I didn't, I don't know exactly when I heard it. It started hurting and then kind of got worse and worse throughout the day until I couldn't

work anymore. Okay, good. The second time was with squats at the gym. Okay. It sounds like either QL or so as, but it's probably QL. This is a Quadratus Lomborum is the muscle. So you can kind of look it up online and see what it is. so you kind of know what the action is,

but essentially it gives you lateral. Lateral stability. So when your body bends side to side. And then the SOAS is a hip flexor muscle that attaches to your leg, but it goes through your body and attaches in the lower part of your spine. And so sometimes the hip flexor can get pulled because it's trying to stabilize and other muscles aren't doing what they're supposed to. And when it does, it hurts on the side of the lower back.

So it sounds like it's one of those two things. what you would want to do essentially is strengthen the supporting areas and even strengthen those muscles themselves. So you're probably like, okay, well, what does that look like program-wise? I think a program that will generally address some of that is MAPS Symmetry 15.

I think that might be good considering your workload. And so you're basically just doing a couple exercises a day. And it's unilateral, which I think would address some of the issues that you might be dealing with. Yeah, once I got hurt at the gym with squats, I switched to doing lunges and William split squats instead and didn't have an issue with it. Yeah, good. So I would like to get back to squatting at some point.

Yes, but we need to work on some of those stability issues before you start to train heavy. Right. Yeah. Yeah, once we load it, then it kind of leaves you open, susceptible if there's any instability still. So we got to address that. We got to get strong in that first. So, you know, really take your time with that. And then, too, like, you know, hit bridges and things like that.

Really gradually introduced rotation, which is something that might, you know, you got to be real careful with that. But that's something, too, that's like a windmill would be great, you know, additionally down the road to start working on. There's two. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to send you Map Symmetry 15. That's your workout, which, by the way, you're going to love. You're going to love how you feel and you're going to build muscle, do all that stuff.

I'm also going to send you two videos of two exercises that you can practice pretty regularly, almost every day, maybe every other day. One video is a windmill, and I think that's just a great mobility movement to do before you go to work. So like before you start your day, you can do like five reps on each side, something like that. Maybe do it halfway through the day also, do a couple. And then I'm going to send you something. The title of that video is hip flexor deactivating crunches or hip flexor deactivators. And so what you could do with both of those is you could practice a little bit, spend 10 minutes before you start work, or maybe at the end of work or in the middle of the day. And you don't have to do them every day, but every other day is perfectly fine.

And then your workouts, Maps 15. And I think that'll probably solve your issue. Okay, yeah, it sounds good. I already ran just the regular Maps 15, and I really liked it. And it's funny how, like, you get all that progress and it feels like you're not doing anything. Yeah, no 100% dude. You'll like Symmetry 15. So Symmetry 15 is unilateral focus, which is, I think, what you need.

Yeah, for sure, because I've been doing a lot of just regular squats deadlist for a long time, and I think I do need to go to a unilateral side for a while. Oh, yeah. Nothing's wrong with the squats and deadlifts and all that stuff. Yeah, you'll get back to that. You just need to bolster it. Yeah, but you've been doing it for a long time. And then on top of it, you know, you're lifting boxes and moving things.

You know, it says your email 20 to 25 times a day, you know, a day. Yeah. Or 20 times a day, 25 pounds a day, essentially. And, you know, that involves like twisting. One leg is forward. You got to put it somewhere. You're not doing like this perfect, like, squat, deadlift, like straight ahead all the time. There's a little bit of movement.

And I think that's where you're getting your issue. The long- Yeah, there's a lot of awkward lifting because, you know, you're just pulling stuff off of a palette. And it could be in the backside and you've got to step over stuff. And it's just a lot of that. The long term prescription sounds exactly what the guys just prescribed. And then you can go to Maps 15, regular Maps 15 after that. But as long as you just inject the symmetry and keep doing the windmill and the deactivator,

do those nonstop all the time before you work or after you work. And then follow symmetry 15. And then after Symmetry 15, you go to MAPS, regular MAPS 15 and just toggle back and forth between those two. That'll support you to build muscle, take care. of everything. Okay. Nice. Yep. Yeah. Thanks, man. Yeah. Yeah. I also want to shout you guys out because you guys, because of you, I found Huell. And I've really been using it a lot this last month because I had double jaw surgery four weeks ago. Oh, damn. I'm all right now. And I haven't lost any weight. I'm still maintaining my weight. So nice. That's killer. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, dude. Yeah. It was really nice talking to

you guys, really big fan and appreciate everything you guys do. Thanks, brother. We appreciate the support. Thanks, man. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's a common, common issue. Yeah.

If my back ever gets hurt, it's QL. I know. Same. Yeah. I've been through that process a few times. And it sucks. It does. It's,

and I'll even do a basic, super basic exercise that most fitness people laugh at, which is like dumbbell side bends. You know, which is actually not a bad strength band. It's not, It's not as dynamic as a windmill, but it's a basic. Well, that lateral stability is like crucial, dude.

It's, you do it, especially when you're lifting things. Yep. Our next caller is Autumn from Ohio. Hi, Autumn. Hi, Autumn. Hello. Hi. How can we help you?

So I kind of wrote in my email, kind of my question, but the biggest thing is I've not seen progress in my lower body strength in about like two years, I'd say. I recently got off of being pretty lean, and I kind of expected to get stronger as a result of that, but I haven't seen progress in like, especially like my squat or most of my lower body exercises. So I didn't know what you guys think could be the problem. If you're on a math program? I'm not. I do my own programming currently. Yeah, problem one.

It's one or two things. So, or I'll say one of three things. Either you're really, really strong and you're hitting. You're getting to the point where adding strength is very difficult, or you're not eating enough or properly, or it's your workout programming is the issue. More a combination of all three. So let's let's dive into those. So what lifts are you interested in building up? Your squat, I would assume?

Yeah, the biggest one is my squat. And what does your squat look like? Give me some numbers here. So the most I've ever done was 245 for six. Okay. Okay. You're really strong. Yeah, you're already really damn strong.

Yeah, yeah. So gaining more strength is going to be more difficult for you than if you were, like, squatting 100 pounds. Yeah. 240, 240 for 6 is really strong. Yeah, you're like strong. Most people can't, most girls can't even PR that one time. So to rep that six times is incredibly strong. Yeah.

So you're already in like the top 1% of strength. Tell me about your nutrition. What does your diet look like? So I do eat mostly whole foods. And I eat a lot. I'm very hungry. I have a fast metabolism. So I definitely eat enough. I recently was thinking about like doing a cut just because I have gained a good amount of body fat, but I haven't really started it. What's your calories at right now? So I haven't tracked in a couple weeks, but usually I'm hitting close to like 2,800 to 3,000.

Okay. So it's probably not food. So let's look at programming. Explain your workout to me. What does it look like? So right now I do do three lower body days and then I do one or two upper body days. And on the lower body days, I typically do one to two heavier days where I'll do like squat, Bulgarian split squat, something like that. And the other one more like accessory focused. So two days are heavier compound. One is accessory.

How many total sets are you doing in each of those workouts? Count up all the sets. Yeah. I'd say about like 12 to 15. Each workout? Per workout? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's a lot. Your programming is the problem. You're doing overdoing. You're doing remarkably well considering you're doing way too much volume. Yeah, you got to recover. If you want to get stronger, which tells me you've got some good genetics on your hand, on your side too. So how would you recommend, like how much, how many sets per workout? So, well, let me, let me.

We'll just give you a program. Yeah, let me pause there for a second. How long you've been listening to us? About two years now. All right. And you really want to get strong. Sounds like this is what you really want to do. Yeah.

Why haven't you got in one of our programs? I've wanted to. I might get one for my birthday is what I was planning on. We'll take care of you. I just haven't had the money to. I'll send. I'm going to send you power lift. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. And you're going to hit some PRs. Yeah. Okay. Follow it the way it's laid out. Don't add. Yeah, don't add a bunch of stuff to it, Autumn.

Don't switch out the upper body. with lower bar either. Just do exactly the same. You're going to hit PRs and all your lifts. Yeah. I wouldn't. Don't diet yet either. Keep your calories where you're at.

Wait until after the power lift. If you want to do a cut, do it after a power lift. That way we get the gains. So stay. And then, go ahead. Like cardio-wise, would you recommend not really doing for you? Are you doing anything? What are you doing right now?

Right now, I do sprints once a week. And then I mostly just walk besides that. Walking's perfect. You do that. You're fine. Stay with that. Yeah, you can maintain that. Okay.

So here's what we're going to do. I'm going to give you power lift. And in three months, you're going to come back on the show and I want to hear what happened. Yeah. Okay. All right. Any gains, though, just in strength from where you're at is incredible, by the way.

I guess you're, we are, we are hitting, you've been training. I'm assuming for quite a while now. This will be a real test to see. Okay. Okay. Programming matters. Now, the two, two, four, was it 245 or 26? 245 for six.

Now, that was your all time best. Are you able to do that now or what do you think you can do now? Most recently, like last week, I did 225 for eight with a belt. Oh, so you're close. Okay, cool. All right. Can't wait to see what happens in a few months. I know.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I'm excited. Thank you guys. Yeah. Yeah. And then maybe you can compete in powerlifting because you got some numbers.

Yeah, yeah. Young lady? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, you're doing great. All right. We'll see you in 90 days.

Cool. Thank you guys. You got it. Right on. Right on. You said, you're 45 sets a week. Just casually throwing that out there. 40, like 40 plus sets.

I was, I, I scored. I scored it yesterday. It was $2.25 for eight. That's exactly my number last yesterday. I don't want to go too much. I was taking it really easy. I was taking it.

I was taking it. I'm sore shit. That's an insane amount of volume. So that's why she's not getting strong. No, I imagine she's probably, obviously, over a year. She's been doing five, I bet five years pretty consistent. Yeah. And so she's peaked, you know, and the only thing that's going to get,

it is giving herself more recovery. And it kind of points to like what like the common thought would be to just like, you know, switch out upper body, make more emphasis on legs and like add more. Do more. Do more. Do more. And it just doesn't work like that. No, there's a point where you get, not just diminishing returns and go backwards. The fact that she's maintaining strengthening strengthening strengthening while that volume. Oh, I know.

Pretty resilient. Well, it's also a testament to her feeding. Yeah. She's taking care of her feeding at least. What are your predictions on what she'll be doing by the end of time? Oh, I don't, dude. 315. No way.

Are you kidding me? No way. I think she, her best. Her best ever was 245 for 6. Yeah. I think she's going to do... 265? Like close to 260 for 6th, I think will be what she'll end with.

Yeah, I don't know. That's a... That is tough to take somebody like that. I know. To squeeze more. The only reason why I'm saying that is she's that strong with doing 40 sets a week of legs. I know.

So, in fact, if all she did, and I don't want to say this to her because I want to follow our program, that's the best one. Just cut it and half. If I, hey, take out one of those days and then cut the sets down by a third on the other ones, that alone would have had a bump her strength considerably. Yeah, yeah. It'll be interesting to see.

I mean, trying to squeeze more out of that is, is going to be hard. I mean, at this point in her lifting career, she's going to see, no matter what. A 20-pound gain would be amazing. Yeah, she's going to see incremental strength, strength gains. And then at this also should be highlighted. At this level where she's at, not only is it programming, diet, all things, but then also, rest that week. Like all the other stressors

in your life, like to see you know, the slightest bit of off of any of that could swing her 10 pounds. Yeah, 10 pounds north or south. Our next caller is Hunter from Utah. What's up, dude? How are you guys? Oh my gosh, this is not real. What the fuck?

Watch your language, young man. Hey, I said fuss. I said bush. Oh, okay. All right. All right. All right. Good for good. Yeah, it's safe, dude. How can we help you, man?

Awesome. I'll read my question. So first, I wanted the shout-out Jackie. She is amazing. She is awesome. Thanks. Okay, so I said, what's up, guys? I sent you a grad card.

I don't know if you got it. I just graduated. But I'm heading out on a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Pueblo, Mexico next week. and I'm really passionate about fitness, and I don't want to lose the progress I built. But the structure of a mission and mission life makes training really a challenge. So here's my situation. I have 30 minutes to 45 minutes.

I've exercise a day, and I'll be on my feet and walking most of the day. And I have no idea whether I'll have access to a gym or any equipment. The one thing I know is that I'm bringing a jump rope for cardio and resistance bands. My question is, what's the most effective way to build, or at least maintain muscle with just 30 minutes a day in a body weight only training as my baseline? I want a protocol that I can actually run with no matter where I'm assigned, but that I can also scale up if I do happen to get gym access. What would you program? How do you think about structuring something like this with when the interface effect from all that, daily walking is already in play.

Thanks so much. Love what you guys do. Yeah, thanks, Dan. I would, uh, Map 15 with a suspension trainer. Yeah. So you could throw that around a tree. Not the advanced plan,

but the first one, yeah. Yeah, so it sounds like you're probably mostly not going to have access, regular access to a gym. Yeah. That's, that's correct.

I don't, I haven't heard anything about a gym. I would mostly just be in my apartment, exercising and stuff like that. That's why 15 suspension would be so good because then if he does, he goes, freeway version. So Maps 15 is you're doing like basically two lifts a day every day. You can either do the suspension trainer version. Do you know what a suspension trainer is?

Yeah. It's like the thing where you like connect and you like board and stuff. Now if you have access to a barbell, like you have the blue, then you can do a barbell version and it's in the same program. Awesome. All right. Here's what I'm going to do because I think when we get off, I want you to email us your address. I'm going to send you Mass 15 and I'm going to send you a suspension trainer. Oh, wow. Okay. As a graduation as a graduate. gift. Oh, thank you so much. You got it, dude. Go do good work, man. All right. Just to the same email that I've been emailing before. Yes. Yep. Send your address. Thank you so much. And say, hey, the guy said they'd send me a suspension trainer, so you'll have it all taken care of. And you can pack it super easy. It doesn't take up much space at all. Okay. Thank you so much, guys. You got it, man. Yep. Yeah. Be good, dude. Yeah, go help you. All right. All right.

I love how he said, uh, what the fuss. What the fuss? I thought he said I dropped an F ball and like Dude watch your leg I said no I said what the fuss

I'm like okay dude Well two years dude he's gonna be out there for two years And that's perfect Adam I was thinking

I was thinking I was probably I mean band bands Or 100% They're a little longer workouts In the occasion

Maybe he gets access to gym Here and there Yeah Boom barbell Right And both plans Are too

And the suspicion Trit are so great Because I like The way you can progress. You can make it hard. Yeah.

Yeah. And he could throw that out of a treat. Like you can do that outside. You can do that anywhere. And so. Yeah. And it travels really easy. It's just one tool that you can bring.

And so, I mean, any of those programs would work. I just, I personally myself, I would run that protocol. And then if I get lucky and I get near a gym, I'm going to lift weights and follow it. Otherwise, I'm going to do suspension. You'd be surprised what you can preserve and also gain, you know, with suspension trainers. If you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

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