Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2949: Why Eating Less and Training More Is the Reason You Are Not Losing Fat

Episode Date: September 19, 2026

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everybody, we're going to flip the script. We're going to talk about how you can eat more to lose fat or to put differently why you probably or oftentimes need to eat more to get leaner. That's right. I said it. Let's get to it. Inspired by a caller. This confuses people when I say this every single time.

It confuses people. But yes, the caller that we had is a good example of this. She, and we've heard this many, many times. So I'll just paint the picture because someone may identify with this. She was doing a lot. She was working out. I think she said five to six days a week. She was doing cardio on top of it, short rest periods.

She was restricting calories, restricting carbohydrates. And she was trying to get pregnant. So the goal was to improve her fertility, heard one of our episodes, cut everything way down, followed a more appropriate strength training routine, took long rest periods, cut out the cardio, bumped her calories, became pregnant, had two kids. and now she's, you know, her youngest is 15 months old. This woman is eating 2,700 calories a day and following MAPS 15 and walking about 10,000 steps a day. That's the entirety of her workout. In spite of the recommendation to lose like 10 pounds. That's right.

And so, and this is a common story. This is a common story where people over diet, over restrict, over train. And they get in this weird place where they're like, nothing's happening. what's going on. I can't lose that extra five pounds or 10 pounds. I can't possibly work out more. If I eat any less, I'm going to want to kill myself. Like, what is going on here?

And it seems like, it seems like stopping all that and eating more would just cause a bunch of fat gain to happen. When in reality, that's exactly what many people need. They need to improve their metabolic health through the process of feeding their body properly and building some muscle and moving in a different direction. You know, we had Dr. Tina in studio yesterday, and we were talking about this, and I said something to her in regards to this. It's like it's almost like when we're hammering the body like that,

restricting calories, training intensely, low rest periods, you're doing all this work, like eating clean food, so you think that you should be seen elsewhere, yet you don't. It's almost like your body goes in this, protective mode of like, I'm not going to respond because of how much stress you're applying to the body. And then even when you kind of go back and you sort of feed and you scale back, it still takes a few months. It's right. It still takes a lot of times at least 60 to 90 days.

And, you know, my theory on that is it's almost like your body doesn't trust you. It's like you've been beat me up with these low calories, high intensity, pushing like crazy for so long that I'm scared to death of what it looks like, okay, you're finally feeding me, letting me rest a little bit. This feels good, but I still don't trust you yet. You're going to stay here

until you've been in that place for a little while, and then it's just crazy what happens. It's all sudden, you know, and every client's different, how exactly long that takes, but typically takes about 60 to 90 days, and then all of a sudden it starts clicking. Your body can only adapt to so much stress.

an exercise is a stress. I remember the first time, one of the first hints at this, for me personally as a trainer, I was a young trainer, so I must have been. I had to be, I don't think I was 20 years old yet.

In fact, I know I wasn't 20 because by that time I was a general manager, so I wasn't even 20. And I had this woman that I trained twice a week, and she also did lots of the group X classes, tons of them. And she tracked her food and did all stuff. And she was middle-aged.

and she was like, I can't lose this extra. I don't remember what it was, eight pounds or whatever. It was not a big amount, but I just can't lose it. I remember looking at it, and it didn't make sense to me as a young trainer because at that point,

it was all about, you know, move more, eat less. I'm like, she's consistent. She's working out like crazy. She never misses a session with me. She never misses her group X classes. She's tracking her food.

Her calories are low, and I don't want to bring them down any lower because at least at that point, I understood, But man, if we go too low, she's going to, this is not going to be good. And I remember I convinced her. And what pushed me in this direction wasn't that I thought it would give her better results. What pushed me in this direction was I just identified, she looks fried.

Like she looked fried. And so I said, you know what? We'll start this up again later. This was literally what I told her. What I want you to do right now is let's just get some rest. And so she replaced, this is literally what she did. She kept training with me twice a week, replaced the group. classes. I don't remember what they were, but we're talking late 90s. All group X classes back then

were, you know, move until you die, right? All of them were the, you know, the step classes and whatever. I said, stop doing those. Start doing the yin yoga class that we have here at the gym once a week. And for people aren't familiar, yin yoga is a very slow, restful yoga. You're not holding poses hard. You're like sitting on the floor, holding a stretch, whatever. I said, just do that. Let's get you to rest a little bit. And she did, and she got leaner. And I remember, I remember being confused. It just didn't math. Like, you're burning less calories.

What the heck is going on? And I had another trainer that worked for me at that time. I was a fitness manager. There was this older trainer. She wasn't older, but she was older than me because I was so young. And she said, oh, her body just needed to feel safe. Those are exact words. And I'm like, well, that doesn't science, but something happened.

Yeah. And that was kind of the first hint that I ever had, trainer that, you know, overdoing it might actually produce the opposite of what we expect. And if we scale things back, sometimes or many times, that's the answer that we need. Yeah, I mean, eating is part of the recovery process. Like, that's a vital part where your body needs those nutrients to replenish itself. And, you know, rest, we're always kind of toggling, too. Are we doing too much?

Are we over stress? Like, do we really need to add, you know, more intensity or more? exercising when in fact like the resting is going to move you forward you know even more so but yeah the eating part i think a lot of people kind of skip over that as much as like a big factor to the thing i think this is far more common uh than we even realize and and why i say that is it's been really interesting the last couple years i don't remember what year it was when we first launched the first Maps 15 protocol, but I didn't expect it to do what it did. Like, we knew that it would have some sort of appeal to people because it was specific time

and people that's- People are busy. Yeah, so, I mean, I knew it would sell a little bit. Like, I didn't, that was that part. But I didn't expect the overwhelming response of people getting crazy results from I know. Not beginners. Yeah. These are like seasoned people.

And so looking back now, and I don't know how much this has shifted and changed just in the last few decades or what. I don't know if it's because we had a crazy decade of COVID and political stuff and so much division and stress outside of the normal stress that everybody has, family work, kids, all that stuff. But it's wild to me how many people. are seeing crazy results on the dramatic reduction of volume in their program. And I think that's a testament to this. I think that a lot of people are just under nutrition, right? Yep. And overstressed. And this is speaking to our audience. I'm not talking about the general population that eats pizza, drinks, beers, sits on the couch and watches Netflix all day long. I'm talking about people that are interested in working out and exercise and would say that they try and live a healthy lifestyle,

I think those people are overstressed and have a lot going on. And when they apply working out and nutrition, it looks like cut back because I know I could eat better. And see how much exercise I get away and see how much exercise I can do and push. And it just doesn't, and some people are resilient. Some people have bodies and can handle. This is what makes us all unique, and there's always exceptions to the rule, that they can add just even more stress and still see some results. But damn near everybody that I've seen, in fact, I don't, we have, I've yet to see somebody

that we put on a Mass 15 program that's come back and said it didn't work. It's always worked better than what they were currently doing. I find that wild. Isn't that interesting? I think what's important. first thing that I think is important to focus on with this. And this is, we often talk about strength, right, and how important of a metric this is. Now, I do want to be clear, it's not perfect. So just always chasing strength isn't a perfect metric. At some point, you have to

move away from it. But when you get to that point, you've done a great job, by the way. So when you get to the point where you're getting so strong that the risk of injury outweighs any benefit you get from adding weight to the bar. Well, now we're in a different place, okay? But once you've gotten there, you're doing pretty damn good. So until you get to that place, strength is a great metric because you can't get stronger and not even enough. You can't get stronger consistently and have crappy sleep.

You can't get stronger consistently while you're undernourished, underslept, overstressed. So strength and strength is objective. Like the mirror is very subjective. The scale is objective, but it only tells you mass. It doesn't tell you body fat versus muscle or water. But strength is clear. If you did two more reps today on this lift than you did last week or two weeks ago, you're moving in the right direction.

And a lot of things have to be done right for that to happen. In other words, if you're undernourished, everything else can be perfect, you won't get stronger. If you're underslept and everything else is perfect, you won't get stronger. If you're over-trained and everything else is perfect, you won't get stronger. So I think the first thing to understand with this is we get into how to eat more to lose fat is this. When you're eating more, the metric that is going to tell you more than other metrics, not to say that other metrics are important to look at, but the one that is at the top through this process of eating more to lose body fat is strength. Because if you're eating more and not getting stronger, then we're doing something wrong.

So that's the first thing, most important thing to pay attention to. Agreed. And as we get into nutrition, and I'm just going to say this, stick to whole natural foods. Okay, I think that by this point, we don't need to make that point too hard, but stick to whole natural foods. You said it earlier, pizza, garbage food, whatever. We're not talking about that. Talk about whole natural foods.

Aim for a high protein diet. Okay. Now, I've seen a few posts, and we'll get into this later. I've seen now on social media, people are pushing back against this high. protein recommendation. But here's the deal. Okay. There's always individual variances with how people react and respond to workouts, diet, sleep.

But there's general, there's large generalities. And the data around eating a very high protein diet when it comes to body fat, muscle, satiety, longevity. It's clear. It's pretty consistent. It's pretty consistent. And this is what it looks like. For most people aiming for, because you can be a little short of this, but aiming for about a gram of protein per pound of target body weight is the upper limit of the benefit you'd get from high protein. In other words, if you want to maximize the benefits of hitting high protein, then that's the number you should aim for.

Now, of course, there's individual variances there around that. This can be very hard for some people to do because protein produces incredible satiative. by the way, one of the reasons why it helps with fat loss. It could cause digestive distress in some people, in which case, don't ignore the fact that you have digestive issues. Let's not go with gram of protein per pound of target body weight if it's messing up your stomach or maybe find ways to add fiber. Change your sourcing.

But generally speaking, when you're eating more to lose body fat, we want to feed strength and we want to feed muscle and strength with the protein because that's what sets up for that metabolic advantage later for the fat. Well, regardless of what the culture is kind of pushing everybody towards, like, protein is essential. You know, and so it's like it has to be part of the conversation to what degree, you know, fits you best as an individual variance. But, you know, for the most part, like, it has to be something that you're considering

and incorporating in your strategy. I think that number is still even on the conservative side just because one, very few people can do it consistently. To back to my point about, I think that if you put in the context of the average American that is family kids work overstressed, most people that are going to the gym probably aren't following a MAP 15 type of protocol,

so they're doing more volume, more intensity. The requirement for that protein in order to build strength and to build muscle just becomes even greater. I notice a huge difference in myself when I fall a little short of that number, it's a lot. And when I fall a little short of that number, I'm okay.

Muscle doesn't fall off of me. I don't get fat, but I also don't recover the same way. And I know that when I make that extra effort to get another one of those protein meals in or to bump that protein back up even higher, I just recover better. And when I recover better,

I'm stronger when I go back to the gym. I build more muscle. And so, yeah, you could get away with not hitting those numbers, but I have yet to see it not greatly benefit anybody. Barring the people that you're talking about that are exceptions to the rule, which is a very small percentage of the population. I can literally count on one hand the clients.

Yeah, everybody else would dramatically see improvement just by really pushing that number up. Now let's talk about carbs, okay? For most people, it's going to look closer like a ratio of two grams of carbs for every gram of protein. So two to one ratio. Now, carbohydrates are not essential. Okay, that's true. You can never eat a carb again and you'll be okay. But it's not ideal.

It's also a source of calories. And trying to eat enough to build without carbohydrates is really hard. It's just really hard. Protein produces a tremendous amount of satiety. Fat is underneath that. And if you just do it with fat and protein, it'd be really hard to fuel your body enough to build strength and muscle.

Plus, carbohydrates fuel you. Yeah. They give you energy in your workouts. Better performance. And going to lower carb can oftentimes cause hormone issues. And you see this more often in women than men. You'll hear this from functional medicine practitioners. So aim for about two grams of carbohydrates per pound of target body weight.

Or if you're hitting a protein, two grams for every gram of protein. That's a nice. general number for you know speaking of carbs as you bring that up i mentioned you guys recently uh that i just had i had like a big calorie and carbohydrate day the other day and the takeaway for me was how um you know kind of insidious uh it can be where low carbohydrate kind of lower calorie you you start to adapt to the workouts and this becomes like your new norm and i while i was in it i didn't realize that how much my workout were suffering until you added extra calories.

Until I added those extra calories and carbohydrates. And I went, oh, okay, this is what I should feel like. And so sometimes people think that, oh, I don't need carbs. I'm fine. I don't, you know, my workouts are good and this and that. It's like, again, I would urge you if you're somebody who does that, you know, load up on cards the day before or, you know, plenty in a couple of meals leading up into a workout. Watch the difference.

and tell me you don't have one of the best workouts that you possibly had. And then you can really feel the power of that. We forget that it, we forget this, right? That fueling your workouts or fueling performance is a great way to look good. It's a great way to look good. If you fuel your performance, meaning if you fuel yourself with food to perform better in the gym, that is a nice pathway towards the aesthetics that you're looking for. It's a nice pathway to strength, stamina, energy, and carbohydrates help.

They just do. By the way, the data on carbohydrates is clear. I know you hear people say, oh, you can build muscle this. Look, this is a fact, okay? When they compare no carbs or low carbs to a moderate, higher carbohydrate diet, when it comes to strength output, power output, it's clear. It makes a difference. The only time it doesn't really make that big difference is when people are like doing

super long, low intensity type endurance. in which case even the top athletes in those categories will have carbohydrates at least during those events. So they definitely make a difference. Then comes fats. Okay, fats are not bad. You need them. They're essential.

If they get too low, good luck trying to make anything happen. It's just bottom line. You want to mess up your hormones. A great way to do that is to have your fat be too low. So because here's what's starting to happen now. The protein conversation has become so, has become more mainstream, at least in the fitness space, that now you're getting a lot of people saying,

okay, cool, I'll eat the protein, but I'm going to do it with weight protein shakes, chicken breast, and tilapia. Yeah, egg whites. And egg whites. And they're minimize the fat. And the fat is too low. And so you've got women eating like 30, 40 grams of fat, dudes eating like 80, 60, 70 grams of fat. Way too low, guys.

Your fats are a part of this. You need the fats. They're essential. So don't be afraid of the fats. Now, you don't necessarily go chase fat like you will with protein. But don't avoid fat. This is where the problem happens is when when you're eating the problem. protein and you're consciously avoiding the fat from your whole foods. If you don't try to avoid fat

from your whole foods, then you'll get... It's easy. Don't eat chicken breasts. Have chicken thighs. Don't always eat the leanest cut of meat. Have a rib eye occasionally. Don't eat tilapia. Have salmon. It's like it's don't get the extra extra lean ground turkey. Have regular ground turkey. Have ground beef. It's all there. Olive oil. It's like it's so yeah, when you cook, feel free to cook with olive oil, use butter, things like that. If you just do that, but then eat all whole foods and good foods, it just, it doesn't need to chase it. Yeah, I don't even need, I don't need a client to count it.

I don't need it. It's just like, that's the way to eat. The only time I've had clients who ate a whole food diet, hit their protein intake, and, you know, ate adequate carbohydrates like we're talking about, and their fat was too low was because they were actively avoiding fat. Yes, they were eating chicken breasts. They were eating white fishes. They were not using oils at all.

They were not using butter at all. Or two out of their three or four meals. was a shake. Yeah. You know, or something like that. Yes. Here's the other thing.

During this process, the scale in the mirror don't count anymore. So just stop. While you're trying to eat more to lose fat, or should I say, eat more to build

to set yourself up metabolically for fat loss, stop studying yourself in the mirror. Okay? First of all, that's subjective. Number two, when you eat a little more, you're going to have more water in your muscles,

you're going to have better pumps. You're going to be a little bit more hydrated. You might feel a little bigger. If you sit and study yourself in the mirror like, wait a minute. Yeah. I look like I'm getting...

It's going to deter you from progress. You're going to reverse course way too fast. You're going to overcorrect. It's like when you're driving a car and it starts a hydroplane, it turns a little bit. So you whip the steering wheel and now you crash. Like everybody knows when you hide your plane, don't whip the steering wheel. It's the worst thing you do, kind of slowly allow your car. So studying that the mirror, get out of that.

Stop doing that. And then the scale, at this point, stop watching the scale. Now, that's one thing to gain a sudden 10, 15 pounds. but when people try to eat more to set themselves up for fat loss and they see the scale goes up three, four pounds, oh no! And they go in the opposite direction, never really giving it a chance to work. And if you've done this right and you've set yourself up right

and this should take a few months at least, you're in a place where your calories are high, you're strong as hell, you feel good, now you can cut and then watch the fat come off your body and it's going to feel so much easier than what you've experienced in the past. It's just patience. That's right.

It's being patient and waiting for that. We want everything to happen so fast. And that we're using those two things that I think are just really bad indicators. The mirror and the scale are just so deceiving. I can't tell you how many clients were doing so perfect. And because the scale stayed the same or even went up one pound, they assumed it was bad and it wasn't the right direction. Or because they had a little more carbs that day or water or,

or it was that time of the month or whatever, and they were more sodium in the diet of the day before, and they're holding some water. And so they look at it, and they look puffy, and they think that's fat. Like, I can't tell you how many people misinterpret what they're seeing in the mirror

and what they see on the scale. And that lack of patience and belief in the process results in overcorrecting. Let me ask you a question, Adam. I already know the answer, but just for people listening. Have you ever gained weight and gotten leaner? and have you ever lost weight and gained body fat percentage?

Yeah. Yeah. Someone's like, how is that possible? Yeah. If you're current, let me just paint a picture. You're a woman, you're 25% body fat, you're 150 pounds. And you gain 10 pounds of pure muscle. Okay.

You're now 160 pounds. You've gained 10 pounds on the scale of pure muscle. Your body fat percentage went down because your total body fat is now a smaller percentage. of your total body weight. By the way, you look leaner also. So it's not just a number. We're not just playing with the math here. If you look in the mirror, you're like, whoa, I look leaner.

Now I'm going to paint a different scenario. You're 150 pound female, 25% body fat. You lose 10 pounds of muscle. Pure muscle. You're 140 pounds now. You're lighter on the scale. Your body fat percentage went up. And you look softer.

And that's how that happens. Well, I'll say something I think that'll come off a bit controversial, but it's the truth. And I'm sure you guys would agree with me. I get a client. She hires me. she hasn't worked out in a while or ever. Needs to lose 30 or more pounds.

And I get a hold. First thing I always do is let me see what you eat, eat the way you do. I get a hold of the diet. I make some adjustments. Normally what the adjustments are is like one thing. I add protein to the diet or whatever with that. And two weeks goes by and we hop on this calendar and she's down five pounds. I'm disappointed and I'm actually pushing her to eat more calories.

Yet her goal was, she hired me. I want to lose 30 pounds. I what that tells me is that we're in too much of a deficit we've just introduced strength training for the first time right so I know that we're lifting weights now and if she's going down on the scale that means we're not feeding enough calories for that body for what we're doing right now and I want to take a mass advantage of the fact that we're lifting weights and that is a novel signal and that she's going to build a lot of muscle right now and so I want the scale to

hover around the same maybe I see a couple pounds in the beginning because there's this exchange of inflammation and water weight coming down. But I do not want to see this rapid drop right of way. It's too low of calories. And I'm not reaping the max benefits. You're not sending her up metabolically. No, I'm not reaping the max benefits of lifting weights. If she hadn't been lifting weights before I got a hold of her or hadn't in a long time

and we start lifting weights, even though the goal is to lose 30 pounds on the scale, I don't want to lose right out the gates. I want to build muscle right now. And I want to eat adequate calories. And that is really difficult to explain to somebody who hires you or decides, I'm going to make a lifestyle change. I need to lose 30 or 40 pounds. And they see the scales are to go down and think that's a good thing.

It's like, no, it's not. We just started lifting weights. We should be building muscle right now. That doesn't mean we can't lose some body fat while also building muscle because then what that more looks like is a beautiful exchange where the scale stays the same. That's right. That's right. 100%.

Speaking of controversial, I'm going to say something that sounds controversial, but I'll back it up. there isn't a thing that red light therapy doesn't improve on the body. There isn't a thing that it doesn't improve. I mean, it's, it's improving the cells. That's it. So it's like we're made up of a bajillion of these things. And if they make them better, should make everything better. So here's the thing.

So years ago, we were probably. It does sight. It said hearing. Yeah. If you could shine the red light. light on the structures inside the ear, yes. The problem is it can't get to the ear, right? But if you can shine it in the ear, yes.

Okay, so years ago, we had a company, Juv, we work with them now, who approached us and told us about red light therapy. I had no idea what photo biomodulation was. I did not know about red life therapy, but I knew anything about it. And I remember they told us it does this, that, and the other, and I looked at them, and I looked at,

I said, I'm like, this, this is crap. It doesn't work. And they said, hey, look at the studies. Like, fine. I'm always open to look at studies. And the studies, there's tons of studies, hundreds of studies, some of them going back to the 60s and 70s, okay, because we've been studying this wavelength of light for a long time. And so then I was like, what is this?

How does this work? So red light is on the light spectrum, and it literally feeds the mitochondria of yourselves. So when it shines on your body and it does penetrate through the tissue, so it doesn't just go on the skin, but it does go below the skin into muscle as well. All the cells that it touches do better at what they're supposed to do. So here's what you see in the red light therapy studies. It improves eyesight. It improves skin health. It builds muscle.

They've actually done studies where they shined it on one leg and not on the other leg and they strain train. And the one with the red light built the little muscle. It enhances fat oxidation. If you shine red light, this is 100%. Look it up. This is going to sound crazy, but it's true. If you shine it on your testicles, you make more testosterone. So red light therapy is wild.

It's wild. We've known about it for a long time, but in the past, in order to use a red light panel that produced enough of this wavelength to really make a difference, you had to go to a super expensive spa because these panels were tens of thousands. thousands of dollars. Now you can go to Jove and for hundreds of dollars you have a panel at home and you basically put it wherever you want, better skin, you want less stretch marks, whatever, and it works. We can't be far off from builders building it into houses and stuff. Like have a red light room? Yes. We can't be far off from that. That would be sick. For the knowing,

knowing what we know about it. And I think the bathroom is the best place for it makes the most sense. Yeah, you're already in there showering, you're naked. Yes. I feel like that's, I think the future is some of these homes will start to build it internally into the home and it'll be you flip the switch and your bathroom. Making red light mobility. Yeah. I've seen gyms already do it where they have like red rooms like that. Yeah, yeah.

So they've already, they've already, gyms have already started to do something like that. But it just makes more sense to me because the benefits of getting it on a regular basis that you would want to do it somewhere where it's already like to, Because the one thing for me, it's something that I have to do, like, go do. Like, we have ours in our bedroom. And even then, it's like, it's so close and easy. But I still, I get out of standing for 20 minutes. Exactly.

I get out of the shower, which I just spent 10, 15 minutes in the bathroom and shower to now stand in front of it in the next, you know, another 15. You want to multitask. Yeah. I mean, just being honest, and it's not like, oh, being lazy or something like that. It's just like, I got it, I have to do. What if there was a, God, this, I'm just going to give someone an idea. Because, you know, these like group. class type, you know, fitness studios tend to pop up.

They're always different themed and they're typically trendy and then they kind of go away. What if somebody did a workout class and it was like red light? That exists already. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. Or they have red light therapy? Yeah, yeah. You could probably Google and find one.

It's not just red light bulbs. It's actual red light therapy. Well, I mean, I don't know if they're using Juve or what brand they're using that's like. But they're using the red light that does. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Really? Yeah, yeah. No way. You remember what's his face? Santa Cruz had a red room. Yeah, they have one. It's called the red room. But, yeah, I think it's just the red lights.

But, like, imagine a workout class and then the last 10 minutes is stretching. Look at the red lights here. They are right there. Look at Pilates. They have some combining low impact workers with Pilates yoga bar. Red light therapy. Biological benefits of photo biomodulation. Yep.

Wow. Yeah. No, it definitely exists. It definitely exists in the gym world, which I think is cool. But I think way cooler to have in a home. Wow. Yeah. Because, again, that's so.

Yeah, of course. Because that still requires you go to the yoga class. Yeah, and you'd have to take it at least a few days a week. Yeah, yeah. So ultimately just like hammocks, you know, naked and it's just, you know, just lay there. It'd be like perfect. I love it. All right, I got a conspiracy theory.

Oh, let's hear you guys. Let's hear this. Justin's going to love this one. So, so. So there's a couple things. If you're trying to, this is for all the conspiracy theory people out there, right? So, and there's a lot of us out there. Which, can we drop the theory part?

soon or? So far, I think we're like 10 and 0. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, drop the conspiracy part. It's just a theory now. Yeah, just. Yeah, it's a legitimate. It's a legitimate theory.

We'll just call it a prediction. But, so what I've been seeing in, because if conspiracy theorists, theorists like to look at trends. And one of the things that they'll say is that when something big, when a big sciop, let's say, is about to happen, they prep us ahead of time.

Yeah. And they'll prep like news articles. Yeah, yeah. They'll start getting people's awareness up a little bit. They'll start kind of testing the water, setting people up before they drop the hammer. Sure. Okay.

So I've been seeing articles about how, two things. One, I think President Trump put out a big, like, warning and said, hey, our energy systems are super vulnerable. Yeah. For attack. Yeah. Like, we need to do something about this. And then I saw several news articles of them saying,

an 18-month blackout could possibly happen with a big cyber attack. So there's that. So everybody's like, uh-oh, what if our infrastructure is easy to be, could be under attack. Okay, we got that. Then we got what's happening with AI.

And Anthropic is coming out and there's people who just right now quit, Anthropic, who are doing posts on X, who are like, I quit because this is dangerous. and because nobody is trying to slow this down. Everybody knows it's dangerous, but everybody's moving forward

because the idea is, well, at least we'll get there first. Yeah. But this stuff is getting leading to like sky net level. Yeah, like this is like, we got to be careful. So meanwhile, too, you see, there's people kind of showing a lot of Costco's, like selling flashlights everywhere

and selling gas cans and selling, you know, a lot of like, you know, stuff for like a power outage basically, which was interesting. I did see that like, you know, and so that was like, hmm. What if, what if there's a generators? Because now we're prepped. Everybody's prepped. The power system is vulnerable and, uh, uh, AI could be something dangerous.

What if rogue AI, a rogue AI agent comes out, cyber attacks the hell out of everything, it shuts everything down. Now we're screwed for a while until the government comes out defeats rogue AI. and says, hey guys, everybody's money was wiped out. Here's what we're going to do.

We're going to start over with a digital currency because your money was wiped out, but it's okay. We're going to put everybody at zero. No more debt. Right. But we're just going to give everybody digital currency. I mean, you've layered a couple conspiracies there.

Yeah, yeah. That's not a conspiracy. That's like four or five different. This is deep, bro. This is a movie. I don't feel like it's fair for you to do that because all it takes is like one of those things to come true. and you're like, see, I told you.

It's like, there's like five conspiracies you just labeled right there. Because I don't, I definitely don't disagree that, you know, because I'm not a big believer in this, this Bitcoin push that we've had forever, other than the fact that it's going to be a way for the government to control money even more so. And it's been sold to us as it's a way to decentralize and not have control, which is bullshit. Do you think the alien thing, they just dropped it? Because it's just like, everybody's like, nah.

Wait a minute. The aliens drop Bitcoin. Is that what you're saying? No, no. What I mean is there's so much hype about aliens. And then it's like, you know, now everybody's kind of moving more to AI because it's like, they're like, maybe not everybody's going to find this. When you guys were talking, don't you remember, I said, when we were all talking about

this is all BS, it's something else is happening. So something already happened while that would the guy. Well, let's do this. The way we were all looking at the alien thing was. Let's go back in time. I see the aliens. lost some momentum. Yeah, let's go back in time before Doug, quickly before Doug, because I know he's giving me the look, like, stop going so hard here. But let's just go back in time during what some

people would say was a sciop that happened recently. We all remember the policies around COVID. And I think a lot of people now look at them and go, we went way too far with some of the things we did and we caused more damage. Do you guys remember the fear stuff that was happening that had nothing to do with COVID. You had, you had the race stuff going on. You had politics stuff over. You had Antifa going on.

It was like fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. Now you're primed. COVID. Now everybody's like, yes, please lock us down and please throw people in jail who don't get vaccinated, whatever. So maybe it's just more, more fear stuff.

More the fear to drum it back up. To scare us. Yeah. But so the rogue AI is coming in. Aliens have the right AI to control us. I don't know, dude. I'm trying to follow this. I don't think the AI and the robots things are going to do anything near what everybody thinks it is.

I think it's going to be, to me, it's like the dot-com push. I've made the case on why there's so much news and conversation about it is to keep money flowing in that direction. Yeah. You know, it's first we've got to build all the AI and it's going to be the most amazing thing for us. Oh, no, it's going to kill us. So we've got to build other AIIs to protect us from those AI. It's like anything to keep billions and trillions of dollars flowing that direction is. So you'll like option B then, Adam, because I have two conspiracies.

I have one. You're going to cover all your bases, so you're going to definitely be right. Let me throw out all the conspiracy theories. No, no, I, space stations. Those cost a lot of money. I purposely created one for Justin, and then I have one for you. Okay, I'm here. So Anthropics about to go public.

Okay. Okay. So what's in the news right now? People coming out saying, we quit because this is way too powerful. And there's also rumors that they have a, that they believe that they have a 100% cure for cancer. this is all leading up to their IPO. So maybe it's to pump up. I believe that one.

I knew you love that one. Doug and I are on the same boat with this. Most everything's money, money motivated power control stuff. All the fear stuff is a bunch of, I mean, I think what's more interesting to talk about since you went this way, because it's been, did you see the recent, you know, AI robot thing that goes in your house that's supposed to fold laundry and compete with the, what's the other one, Neo or whatever? Do you guys see it?

No. Oh, yeah. It's like, instead of like having. Instead of looking as human-like, it's on this, like, it has, like, more like a track, the bottom of it. Looks more like Wally. Yeah, yeah, it looks, exactly. It looks more like Wally than has arms supposed to fold your laundry. It's supposed to be, like, half the price of what the Neo thing is, where I can't help.

Because it's so, by the way, because everybody knows you and I have been debating about this for so long that everybody sends me every one. Still? Oh, yeah. I get an update every single week. I'm winning that bad, dude, for sure. I, you know, just by, yes, you are based off of the amount of people. have flood my DMs. If I would have known that that was the winner or loser who would get bombarded by their

audience, it's me who lost that for sure. The funny part that I just cracks me up that nobody talks about, like, because it's just like, it's going to do this, it's going to do that. It's like, you see how painfully slow and retarded this thing looks? It's ridiculous, dude. Like, I could just imagine sitting on my counter, watch. Watching this thing, dude, dish. Like, let's pretend it actually figures the dish thing out.

But do you watch it move? Like, it's like nails on the chalkboard type stuff. Like, I would just get up and be like, give me the plate so I could do it because it looks so awful and so slow. Yeah, but it doesn't sleep. It doesn't have to. So it can be slow. It'll keep working. So it'll just, it'll fold and clean.

So I'm laying in bed at 1 o'clock in the morning. I'm clean clean and my dishwasher opening and closing and the laundry buzzer going off. Yeah. So, bro. That sounds like a great idea. And then he falls down my stairs because he's freaking retarded. Please help. Help.

Help. Help. Yeah. That sounds awesome, right? You see that guy? Or freaks my seven-year-old out because he's walking through the little. It's taking the clothes off of the hall. Yeah, the hallway at two o'clock in the morning.

Terrible. Dude, what was it, the Olympics they had for him? Yes, the competition. Yeah, the one that like beat the record for Ysane Bull. So somebody actually recreated the same, like, mechanics to try and beat Usain Paul, like, running, like, the robot. Yeah. I saw those and, like, a couple of them, like, exploded. Like, they fell and, like, sparks were coming out.

And, like, yeah, I didn't know if that was real or not. I'm like, is that real? Is that, like, it's not. It was silly. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I have a hard time imagining, like, let's pretend it does all the things that we say it's going to do, which I also think, if it does, it's going to take a very. very long time before it does it pretty efficiently. It's like, is it really...

They say 10 years. 10 years. Yeah, so Kurzweil, right? That's his name? Curzweil. That's his name? Cruzweil. He predicted the singularity happened 2029.

And they're saying that he's kind of on point, that it seems like that's the direction. Now, Anthropic, it's speculated right now that their AI is already able to improve itself. So that's the beginning of the singularity, right? Where it starts to make itself better. And then once they make themselves better, then the acceleration amplifies just very quickly. There's the running robot. You know what's crazy about that?

I don't care about a running robot because you could just get an RC car that goes fast. We already have robots that are way fast. That's why the stuff that we use to show... We can have a boxing. The stuff that we're showing to show like the complexity of what it's doing and so with that, it doesn't impress me.

And then the ones that actually, like, where I could see a use case for it is folding laundry, doing dishes is painful. Yeah. It's like, oh, cool, we can make this thing go really fast in a straight line. It's like, oh, neat, you know what I'm saying? Or we can program it to dance and do this weird stuff.

It's like... What robot would you buy? Like, would you get a robot? And if so, what would it have to do? No. What would sell you? It's a really good question. Because I don't think I would like it in my house,

in my way. doing chores. I just don't think so. Not to mention, it's kind of too late for me because I've connected the value of that. So it's like, okay, I don't know if I would want this thing

walking through my house and doing that stuff. So you really wouldn't buy a robot for anything? Yeah, I don't know. Not to mention that you could, right now, they're all attached to somebody in the Philippines that looks in your room at any time at once.

Is that funny? Which, by the way, I think it's so, They're like, don't worry. If it gets stuck in the corner, somebody will jump on and back it out for you. It's like, oh, that's exactly what I want. Somebody's a little microphone. I got you. Yeah.

I'll help. So, I mean, if you're already a person who's paranoid that our TVs listen to us and our iPhone or iPads have cameras that are can already do it, like, I mean, yeah, let's put a robot in there that's got eyeballs. I'm saying, I'm saying that could definitely and pivot around your house. I've been seeing posts of people who have been using. agents to make clips off of content, create new channels, gain subscribers, and make money. And it's all because they told the agent. Who's watching these channels? I don't, I think that's a short window.

I think it's all bots that are watching it, you know? It's like, I don't know. I think a lot of it is hacked for views. Like you'll get like bots farms to like come over and watch these things and make, you know, some money. But I don't know. I don't believe it. I don't believe people are sitting there watching these things.

You know what? Maybe I finally thought of something. I was like, God, there's got to be something. Yeah, like, all right. What are you? Landscaping outside. Okay. Yeah, you can landscape for me. But, you know, my landscaper's so damn cheap. Like, it's, he'd have to be super inexpensive.

I mean, these things caught, what do they cost per month? I forget what they cost. My landscaper costs, I think, less than that. So I'd have to have, it'd have to be cheaper and better. And better than. Yeah, because then you're not employing a dude. Like, port, you know what I mean? Right, right.

At least you give, you know, you know. Yeah, yeah. So it would have to be, it would have to be cheaper and better to do that. And so let's pretend that can be in 10 years it could get to that point. That wouldn't bother me. He's outside where I can't, I don't have to see him. And he's like, you know, and then he parks himself away when I wake up in the morning in my yard looks beautiful every single day.

I can see that. It's kind of cool. Well, so along those lines. Clean the outside of my house all day. So along those lines. Did you guys see the study, the data that just came out on IQs? And for the first time ever, I'm going to pull it up. We're seeing them go down.

Have you guys seen this? Oh, yeah, I've seen this. I mean, of course. Obvious. We're outsourcing all this basic critical thinking stuff. So check this out. School test scores continue to collapse internationally. Okay, so they're actually going down very quickly.

And what the speculation is that the social networking made us less social, unlimited information made people dumber. And technology used during childhood has made children. less advanced. Disracting them from actually learning. Yes. So because our brains are being trained with this like quick dopamine, like kids don't read. They're not paying attention. They're not focusing.

They're a little genie to think for them. That's right. Cores are going down. Can I tell you a cool story that I thought was super, super cute? And I love, it just shows you too, how much our kids are listening. So I'm in my son's room, laying on his bed. My aunt,

my aunt and cousin are visiting. They share a lot of values that we do. and you know we're talking about we talked about toy story five i finally got to see it right yeah yeah loved that with the direction yeah yeah so good and i was kind of sharing the story of like how surprised i was that it didn't impact my my fellow peers and the because they literally like their kid through their kids on the iPad as soon as they got back home from it they're watching it on the right yeah yeah i just thought that was so crazy but i'm talking to my aunt and my cousin and we're kind of sitting there and max is like in his room playing with his legos and his toys and stuff he's not involved in question but

he's obviously ear hustling and I don't realize it. And just we're talking about just the, the dangers of the iPad and being addicted to it and the YouTube, how bad YouTube is with the algorithm with kids. And it's just like absolutely not like so. He, I can hear him and I guess he goes in the room to tell Katrina, tell Katrina, this is right before bath time. You know, daddy's talking about really bad stuff.

I don't like it. And Katrina's like, hey, what are you talking about in front of him? I'm like, what do you mean? What am I talking about? talking, talking about nothing. She's just like, he says you're saying things that is bad and this and that.

And I'm like, oh, he overheard me talking about YouTube and how it's bad and all these things like that. And for all the reasons. And so, daddy won't talk about anymore, Max, don't worry.

I was just like, I'm looking at Katrina. I just kind of like eye roll, you know, so he can't see it as like, he's like being overly sensitive about some conversation. So that was just this weekend, right?

So yesterday he goes to, to Vicki's barbershop. He'll get his, go get his haircut. And one of the things that he gets to do when he goes to Vickies, and she does it to keep him still. So that on the TV, she puts up boss battles,

which is a YouTube video, and their YouTube videos of just the game, Mario game of all the villains that the guys are doing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's one of the things that we've allowed him to continue. It's like Street Fighter, but with the characters from Mario. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can look on YouTube and there's just hours and hours of just people,

you know, Mario fighting every, made your boss on the thing and he loves it. So it's been a thing that we've allowed him to do forever on when he gets his haircut and stuff. It keeps him still. And it was so cute because Katrina tells me, you know, so funny, he gets his haircut. And she goes to put it up on the TV. Oh, you want to watch your boss pals?

He goes, no, no, no. I'm getting too old for that. And I'm like, oh, my God, it's so hilarious. It has to be because of what. Because you heard that conversation. Yeah. And then I tell you guys, the other thing that was just hilarious, too, about him. Again, more of him like listening and just picking up his stuff.

The red dye in the candy. So the new school teacher this year, so interesting. She tells the parents on the first day, which Katrina is just like, oh, my husband's going to look into that. I doubt that's true. And she says like, hey, just so you guys know on test days, we give the kids a small half of a gummy, one single like. A red dye.

Well, a gummy bear or something like that. I don't know what the gummy is or what the, but sugar, basically. And there, well, you can Google this because I did and looked up the studies. It's not true, even though there's a prevailing theory and idea that's a myth that giving kids sugar right before a test makes them like hyper, like it cognitively more focused. And so, of course, I went down the rabbit hole looking up the studies that tried to prove this and this and that. It's been long disproven. obviously this teacher has not been updated on her science and stuff like that.

And so I tell Katrina like, yeah, no, we'll be telling them to skip our son on something like that. You know what it could do? It could just create a good association. Like, oh, test time. Sure. I mean, I'm sure that's. You know, because some kids hate tests. Yeah, yeah.

I'm sure you can make an argument for it. I didn't even know it was a thing or whatever. But I thought what was hilarious. So this is the first week week of school. And they had their first test this last week. And she goes, they had it by side of my son's. like, does this have red dye? She's like, no, it doesn't have red dye.

So he, and he told me the story. He didn't tell me about the red dye thing until I asked, like, hey, I heard you took a test today. Did they give you a gummy? And he goes, yeah, she gave me a gummy like that. But daddy didn't have red dye. And I was like, okay. So you're fine. I was like, dude, this kid listens and hears everything, dude.

It's so hilarious. Did you look it up, Doug? It doesn't do anything. No, I know it doesn't. But there's actually, they thought it did. There was like a movement there for a while there. I think what they probably noticed, if they noticed anything, anecdotally, was a positive association. So kids are like, yeah, I get to have my candy and then it's test time.

You know what type of deal? Which, okay, I guess you can make that argument. You know what type of deal? Sure. I got to tell you guys, my sister, so I gave my parents the freedom super patch, the pain patch, the pain. I love that. I don't know if our team did this intentionally. what these are the two brands that we were most skeptical working with.

And they're on. Yeah, together. I know. I don't think they've ever had, if we've ever had both of them on at the same time. No, so, so I'll get into that, right? So,

but I gave some to my dad, because my dad has got some arthritis stuff. And so I gave him a packet of the freedom patch, the super patch that's for pain. And when they came over, he tried it. And he's like, whoa, I think this works. I'm like, dad.

The study shows it's as good as like an inshead. So he's like, I like, I like this. So he took it home. My sister had hurt her knee working out. She tried it and she took the whole bag. My parents are always so generous. She took the whole bag and she's like, I want more of them. So now I have two family members that I've used it that are just like, this thing's amazing.

I think it's so crazy that when we first started testing them, I think I was one of the first people to test it. And I at that time, I had some forearm pain that I've been dealing with. And you asked me, I was not the one to look to the studies. It's always you who looks at the studies. And you're like, well, do you notice anything? yeah, I noticed. And then when I describe the, I give you a number.

It goes from an eight to a six. Yeah, yeah. I gave you like a number of what, you know, if I had to rate my pain, I think it's at this number and taking it is brought. So it's not like it got rid of it, but it brought it down to this is about what. And you were like,

and I remember you reading the studies. You're like, exactly what the study said. It's like exactly what the study said. I didn't know that. So it was fascinating because it wasn't like I knew of the study and then I was just. For people listening, there's no medicine in it. There's no supplement in it.

It's not a transdermal patch. It's a patch with ridges on it. Just signals. It uses something called haptic technology, which is kind of this new field of research. That essentially, when you place certain patterns on your skin and you move, it communicates to the brain and it can change how the brain perceives things. This is a real science. There's real studies behind it. There's over a dozen studies that support this specifically super patches.

The two with the best studies are sleep and pain. Those are the two I use the most. Yeah. The sleep one is phenomenal. It will definitely improve your REM sleep when you use it. I mean, is it the same, is it the same like neuro pathway or similar science is how braille works? Well, yeah, in a sense that, you know, you could perceive through touch, you could read using those same. That's kind of what sparked the study.

You know, for people, they can go back and listen to the episode, but the gentleman who spent, I don't remember how $40 million on the research. Yeah. His mom, she was suffering from a neurodegenerative disorder. And he's an engineer, a brilliant engineer. And so he kind of deduced and got all this reason, spent lots and lots of money. And through trial and error, essentially, and through looking at, you know, brain wave readings. Yeah. EG tech, which there's thousands of these recordings.

Yeah, maps and patterns. Which is crazy. And it actually works, which is really weird. You know, speed of that, I should have sent it to you. I sent it to Justin, super fascinated in this. It was actually one of these trainer guys that I follow. Talks a lot about fascia training and things like that. He's a sports performance guy.

Really interested in a lot of the stuff. And I think I've sent Justin multiple stuff that he's put out because I find it really interesting. And he recently posted about this. I brought up to Tina. You weren't in the room, but I brought up to her. And she's like, oh, yeah, no, that's a real, that's what I used to quit smoking back in the days.

And so it is, like little, very similar, like, whatever technology you call that, where it's, you put these stickers. Yeah. And they have little acupuncture points. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. In your ears. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In your ears. Look that up, Doug, because I'm familiar. So you can go to acupuncturist. They'll take these little, it looks like beads almost, and they'll tape them. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

So look up the data on that. Because I've had clients who also swore by it. I've never looked at this. So they're using it for, like, high performing athletes are using it to increase performance. and the studies that he was talking about are super fascinating. Okay. Do they work? So, Doug, you can go ahead and ask,

does acupressure work for smoke cessation? Well, don't go smoke. I don't care about that. I was more interested in the fitness one. Well, I want to see for smoking. Oh. I want to see what the data shows on smoking specifically. Or, let's see, can be helpful supplemental tool

to reduce nicotine cravings and withdrawal symptoms, but there is limited clinical evidence that they work effectively on their own. Most medical studies indicate that while acupressure can successfully lower the psychological and physical intensity of immediate cravings, it is most reliable when combined.

Oh, so it does something. Yeah, I mean, that's what she claimed. I care more about what he was claiming related to, like, sports performance. Have you guys ever had, like, legit acupuncture? I have. I have. Katrina has an acupuncture that she, they, her and her mom, they see it.

Have you noticed anything for it? you know, I told you guys my experience years ago. I went, I had somebody that worked in my studio. I haven't done it enough to like, like to, I had a weird experience. So this was back when I was, you guys think I'm skeptical now. And I'm still skeptical. I'm a very, I'm a skeptic by nature. But back in the day, I was like, if it is not science, then it is no, you know,

if I don't see the data, then forget it, right? And I had this woman that worked for me that I respected, who swore by this acupuncturist, you might have even gone seeing her, Doug. Did you ever go see Nora? No. Okay, so anyway, she kept talking about her and she kept sending her clients to her. And the clients kept coming back talking about

how great it was. And I was like, placebo, placebo, placebo, placebo. Anyway, long story short, she challenged me and she said, go see her because I got in this like debate with her. She's like, go see her. Why don't you try it and see first? I'm like, fine, I'll go.

So I went to go see her. She did her thing on me where she tested me. She's like, you have too much yang energy, which I guess is it gives you too much heat or whatever they say in Chinese medicine. And she said, I can do a treatment on you to bring that down. And she said,

do you want a mild or an aggressive treatment? And I said, give me the most aggressive treatment. You can give me. And she said, are you going back to work? Because if you're going to go back to work or you're going to drive,

I don't want to give you the most aggressive treatment because you're going to get really drowsy. It's going to really. And I'm like, I'll go home. I lied to her. I'm like, I'm going back to train my class. This is going to do nothing.

So she did it to me. She did the acupuncture. I laid there, did the whole thing. She moved the needles. I'm like, whatever. I don't notice anything. I pay her and I leave. And I come to work.

I swear, you guys, I'm sitting there waiting for my client. And it felt like I drank two servings of NyQuil. I'm sitting there and suddenly I'm like, oh, oh, bro. I could not keep my eyes open. I was like, this is, oh, I felt so. I had to cancel my appointment, had to take a nap in the back. And I was like, I don't know if that was a powerful placebo, but dude, I felt it. I just sent to the group thread, Doug, the video, because I wanted Sal to watch the video.

Of what? Of what I sent? Oh, the athletes? Yeah, yeah. And so maybe Doug can pull it up and give a sound so you can actually hear him talk about it. You know what's tough about athletes? So what they talk, the way he communicates it is like the inner ear is like this connected to the entire body. Like the, it's like a map of the body.

That's Chinese matter. That's Chinese. Yeah, yeah, no. He's talking about it through fascia. Yeah, ear seating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is classic, this classic Chinese medicine. Yeah, speaking of meridians and energy and very classic.

The way I would explain it in Western medicine really has to do with like referred pain. Like, that's a real thing. How you can push one area and feel it somewhere else or you have a heart attack. You feel it in a place. So maybe something there. Yeah, I can see pain relief, especially if that's like a constant. signaling that you could sort of reroute or like, you know, confuse the system.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, there should be value there for sure. You know what I want to ask you, Justin, is the, you brought up Mr.

T. Yeah. And I haven't heard his name a long time. I know. You guys remember like, you know, your childhood was like a lot of Mr. T.

Yeah. He was, I honestly didn't. I thought he was in more things. Like he was really like Rocky 3 and they went into all that of like how he ended up getting that role. Yeah. in the A team.

And then all the cartoons and commercials and all that. But that's it. That was like his legacy. And anyway, this doc, they go into like how, you know, he,

he really, like, started off in rough, like, in the projects in Chicago. And, uh, like his mom,

I guess one time he, he was trying to make, make it out of there and was like working in the city. And his mom was like held up, uh, and robbed. And by, by like,

uh, These guys were holding her up with knives, and he found out about it. And, like, anyways, went back and took, handled, you know, handled these guys. Yeah. And, like, totally beat them, you know, within an inch of their life. And then he just had this, like, drive to be a protector. And, like, you know, I got to be around for my mom and I want to be a protector. So he ended up getting into, like, being a bodyguard.

And he was the first, like, celebrity he had was like Michael Jackson. He was like a bodyguard for him for a while. Is Michael Jackson's bodyguard? Yeah. No way. Yeah. And then he was a bodyguard for, I forget his name, but he fought Muhammad Ali and won. Frazier?

No. Oh, oh. Like, I didn't remember. Sort of the S, I think. There wasn't a sunny list then. No. Who beat Muhammad Ali? It was Joe Frazier and there was another guy that was a heavy puncher like Frazier.

I can't remember his name. Yeah, he was a real heavy puncher. But anyways, he ended up. Wow. Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, Muhammad Ali. It was Joe Frazier. Steve McQueen. Leon Spinks.

That's who is. Leon Spinks. Joe Frazier. So, what's crazy is that Joe. He must be kind of a badass if you're, if you were. You're Joe Frazier and you need him. So what's cool about it too is like he's so, like you talk about authenticity. Like it comes through a lot in this documentary.

Like he's just like, you would not mess with Mr. T, dude. Like he, he, like everybody feared him. You know, like he would. show up and because he like protected um spinks too in this one like um fight where basically the whole crowd was like you know going against him because i don't know if that was the ali fight or not but like you know they were like grabbing at him and all this and like mr t's just knocking fools out like left and right on and getting him out of there and so he hired him on full time uh but he built this reputation of being this like total like tough guy and then uh he was

on some TV, local TV show where it was so funny because it was like a competition of like bouncers. And so he's like, you know, the quickest to be able to jump over the bar, run over like, you know, throw somebody out of the bar. And it's like this anyways, it was, it was a pretty funny. Was it a documentary? Yeah. What was it? I'll watch that. Yeah, it's on Netflix. Yeah. It was really good. What was it called? What was it called? Something Mr. T. Is it new? I didn't see that. Yeah. Brand new. Oh, wow. But anyway, like, the thing is too, like his whole persona with his like chains and all that

and like the feathered earrings and the Mohawk. Oh, it's an untold. I love the untold. Pity to the fool. Yeah. It explained like, I mean, he took that from an African tribe. So it wasn't like Mohicans. It's not like... You mean his hair? Oh, his hair? And

like they weren't like... Tons of gold. Tons of chains wool. Well, the whole thing was that was like, you know, he was talking about like slaves that came over. And so he was actually wearing... He's like, they wore the shackles. Like, I'm wearing,

you know, the gold. And it was, like, sort of an honor of that. But anyway, anyways, like he,

it was a really cool story because it, it showed, too, that, like, he had somewhat lost his way because he got rich and famous and all this. And then realized, you know,

like he was kind of losing touch with, like, you know, the community and all this. He goes back and became real, like, faith-based. And, like,

he's still, I don't know if he's alive right now or not, but like, I think he still is. But he, I mean, I actually was able to meet him one time when I was in Chicago. What?

And it was so cool, dude. I, like, idolized him as a kid for sure. Did you really? Yeah, dude, I loved him. Like, B.A. Barracus and, you know, all those guys. And, like, Hulk Hogan and him connected for wrestling. So I just, I don't know, I enjoyed it a lot. He was, he was like the definition of a character.

Did you ever eat his cereal? Yeah. You do? Did you ever have his cereal? Yeah. Look at Mr. T. Cereal, Doug. He had a cereal. Like E.T. There was like Mr. T's and there's E.T.

Like cereal. I would, I tell you what, bro. Look at it. See? Oh my God. Mr. T. cereal. I never had it. Was it good? No.

It wasn't good. I don't think there's any marshmals in it. Yeah. Made her bird. I can't wait to watch that. I'll totally watch that. Serial. Dude.

I thought he was, I thought he was cool. A team was rad, dude. Yeah. But they're super vans. Well, it's funny. I mean, he did a really good interview with, uh, with. What does the T stand for?

Or is it just... Oh, so the whole thing about Mr. T, he wanted to be addressed as Mr. because his dad was addressed as boy, his brother was boy, like, everybody was boy. And he's like, you're going to address me as Mr. And so, like, he put that in there. Oh, his real name is Lawrence Truode, To Road, To Road. Oh, Mr. T. Wow.

And he legally changed his name. Yeah. When he turned 18. So he did that before he became famous. Yeah. That's badass. Yep. That's bad.

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How are things going, brother? Oh, you know, they're all right. They're all right. How can we help you? Yeah, so thanks for having me back on for this update. I really appreciate the insights. Just a little recap from before, I guess for the listeners too. I called in with a pinch nerve pathway in my lower spine, a slight bulging disc.

You guys, you know, suggested systemic inflammation and to drastically reduce volume. I took that to heart. The first week, I took a complete delode week. And then subsequently after the weeks following that was our game plan of doing Maps 15 symmetry. And then I was going to the gym every day, maybe six days a week, maybe not seven. But I was at the gym still for like an hour and a bit. And the remaining time would be used for mobility.

and as well as just walking on the treadmill. As far as the mobility exercises go, I didn't know quite what was good for my issues. So I kind of did what I thought was best. But after the initial month or two, I'm sorry to report that there wasn't really much of a change. I'd still have some intermittent lingering discomfort here and there. but the one thing that I did find, my wife sent me a video of the McGill three exercises.

And I started incorporating those in the mobility and I noticed there was a bit of a change. My symptoms were seemed to be slightly reduced or at least have less flare-ups. But one thing was really clear when I was doing those exercises. I didn't realize how weak my core was. So my core is, you know, I shake when I'm doing any kind of like a plank or anything like that and I just wonder if there's any kind of cross over there. Of course, for sure.

Yeah, I figure everything's interconnected. So, again, I don't really have much of a background in this stuff. So I'm not sure how it's connected, but I know it must be. And then another symptom that I forgot to mention the last time I was on, if I'm ever in a

squatted position, and I can, I have really good ankle mobility and I can squat very low, but if I'm working on something, you know, whatever, changing a tire, matter. But if I'm in a low position for a long period of time and I go to stand up, I have like a one in four chance that there's like a nerve that pinches inside my groin area enough to bring me to my knees again. And I have to kind of walk it off for a bit. And it's, it's very odd and it's only been since this incident. So I don't know if that's just a pinched nerve or what's going on there

or if there's a tightness. But yeah, that's pretty much where we're at. Remind me what part of the the back had the bulging disc again? I think it was the L5 and S1. Okay. Yeah, so your core strength and stability supports that. Yeah, one of the best analogies I'd give to clients when explaining how, and this becomes, this is important for everybody, but this is exponentially more important to you.

Because if we do have a slight bulge disc, it is every once in a while hitting that nerve, which is just shooting this pain up and down you. So think of it like this. if you had a pen like this, and then I would tell my clients, your core is built up of all these muscles that wrap around the spine. And when it's strong, it works like a vacuum. And it tightens up around the spine and supports it.

When it's weak, there's all kinds of play and movement there. And so the fact that you have already noticed that your core is really weak, I mean, there's all kinds of play going on with your spine, and it's not being supported by those muscles. You getting a really strong core right, away will probably start to alleviate some of these symptoms and pain that you're having. And so that's actually a really good sign that you figured this out because that's going to help to address your point about like, you know, this, I'm guilty of this also. So I can deep squat

with great form, totally fine. But if I'm cleaning my car all day like I was the other day over the weekend and vacuuming and I go to stand up, oh my God, my back will lock up. And the reason why that is, is because I'm not squatting down in perfect form while I'm cleaning my car. I'm bending over and I'm putting that stress in my low back versus properly supported in the muscles. And so my guess is when you feel that locking up like that, it's because you're probably not sitting down in this beautiful squat while you're working or bending over. You're probably just bending over and then that's what's bothering versus why you're fine when you do squats because your mechanics are well, your muscles are supporting the stress

instead of the low back supporting the stress. Yeah, so just to be a little bit more specific, all joints have end ranges of motion. And what muscles do is they stabilize and protect and strengthen. And what you don't want is a joint to support end ranges of motion. It's like my knee hyper-extending and the ligaments keeping my knee from hyper-extending versus my hamstring. So if you're noticing weakness in your core,

that would be where I would 100% focus, is on strengthening the core and being very meticulous and careful about your form and your technique on strengthening those muscles. Sometimes people will overwork the hip flexors when they're trying to strengthen their core. And that can cause problems.

Not that you don't want your hip flexors to be strong, but if your core muscles are weak, your abs, your obliques, your TVA, then your hip flexors tend to take over and they attach, One of the hip flexors attaches to the lumbar spine. And so that can actually cause more problems when there's, you know, that kind of, for lack of better term, and balance.

So I would really focus on kind of really carefully strengthening the core. A correctional exercise specialist in person would be very valuable. So if this is kind of this ongoing thing, sometimes chiropractors are well versed in correctional exercise, sometimes. other times. It would be a good physical therapist or sports medicine specialist. But correctional exercise in person would be worth its weight and goal. Remind me where you're based out of? In Ontario, Canada. Okay. Maybe I just say reaching out to Brink in our forum might have contacts. You could. It would be virtual. No, no. He might have contacts.

Oh, I see. I see. He could do virtual too. But I mean, in our private forum, which if you're not in there, I'll have dad, dad. I'll have my dad. I'll have a little Freudian sleep. That's going to be an ongoing joke. I'll have normally what you say is daddy. I'll have Doug. Jordan Shallow maybe you get you in the private forum. And Justin Brink, who's a movement specialist,

if you tag him in there and let him know that you've talked to us on here, he not only can help you virtually, but then there might be somebody personally, somewhere out there personally that he's connected all over the place. And so maybe he could refer you. But we also, too, have some really good. Mind Pump TV videos. Sal did a hip flexor deactivator video on Mind Pump TV,

and we've got some good ab exercises on there where we're really stressing the technique in there that will be valuable to it. None of it will replace somebody who knows what they're doing and seeing you in person. Correctional exercise is so individualized. It's not like traditional exercise. It's very individualized. And when you do the right correctional exercise, it makes a huge difference. Okay.

Now, in terms of, again, I don't know. taking to what you just said to heart in terms of, you know, correctional is very specific to the, to the user. Or what are some exercises that are probably safe? Like I'm thinking cross cable chops, things like that, is that what do we look at? Our vacuum poses?

Like, what am I looking at? Yes, but it's hard to say. It's hard to say because technique is everything. So rotating can be great and it could also hurt you, depending on how it's being performed and what the actual issue is. so it's it's hard to say because uh this seems to be very specific um and taking some time off uh and you know training with less volume didn't seem to fix it and there are a few movements that you seem to notice uh that benefited you the mcgill three so it's hard to say um you know with cases

like this uh and i you know i just again i hate to point in this direction because i'd love to give you just the right answer having someone there in person is where i would refer like if were my client, I would watch you carefully and help identify it through the movements. And then even if that didn't work, I often would send people to a correctional exercise specialist. That was even better than I would. If you can't find that, I think the next best thing in my opinion is a virtual video with Brink. Because Brink will have you do movements virtually and ask you, how do you feel? And he's so good. He's going to be able to even virtue. Obviously, like Sal is saying, nothing beats having a specialist like that watch you because if I was watching you move and

you made a sound or you said, oh, I feel that here. I would modify and change on the fly and be okay, we're not going to do that. We're going to do this instead. And so that's what he's communicating. Brink, if you can't find that, Brink will be able to do that virtually with you better than anybody else I know. And so definitely if you can't find someone in the area, reach out to him and at least do that virtually. It'll be worth the visit for sure or two that you do with him just to just to get some, to get some good movements that you can go work on on your own. So you go, okay, these are the things I need to do. This is how I need to perform it. This is how it should feel. And then he'll prescribe to you do it this many times a day or a week or whatever and then really work on that.

But all in all, I know you didn't get to see great progress from our last coaching with you, but this is a good sign that you've been able to isolate it to how weak your course, because this will make a huge difference. I know clients that have lived their whole life with a bulge disc and had zero back pain. And then I've had other clients with a slight and it's bothering my crazy. One of the key differentiators between those clients are the clients that really developed a strong core

that supported that spine made a huge difference. And so that it's a good sign that you've figured this out because there's room to really improve this. Yeah, and it's a it makes a lot of sense. I know it's the same thing with like the pop can analogy, right? If a pop can's full of soda and you poke the side of it, it won't crumble, but

with an empty one, it will. Like I know there's a lot of a lot of supporting structures in there that require some integrity and some pressure. That's right. On a silver lining with the last two months this whole summer about doing this reduced volume. And I am sorry to say that I was always struggling with the whole less volume. Do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change.

And having gone to the gym six days a week and doing, oh, Christ, I don't know, 18 sets per per workout and all this, uh, and switching to dedicated six sets of workout, uh, I got leaner. Yeah. Isn't that weird?

Isn't that weird? Yeah. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. So, uh, that has been eye opening. I've now realized that I have more of a, of a new fulcrum point, right? Where I'm like, okay, I can do a little bit more volume, but like, I don't have to

do anywhere near as, as much before. I can spend more time doing mobility, more sauna, so awesome. Awesome. Awesome, dude. Very eye-opening. That is silver lining, bro. That's great. And it's great news. You work on this core. I think you'll see a huge difference. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. All right, man. Thanks, Phil.

Okay. Thanks, guys. Much appreciated. And keep doing what you're doing. All right, take care. Yeah, first off, I love that he experienced doing so much less volume, got better shape. I love that. People do that a blows away. Super eye opening for people. You know, correctional exercise is so incredibly valuable. I mean, we teach our coaches here. If they're going to spend any time

on improving their skills, that's one of the first places because it solves a lot of issues. I mean, I just recently had an experience of that with my own hip. And it took three sessions for C dramatic reduction in pain. And this was an issue that I'd been dealing

for a long time. I just really didn't focus on it 100%. It makes a huge difference. So a lot of people live with this kind of like, I got a bad shoulder. My back's always kind of bother me. If I avoid these exercises, I'm okay. Like directed correctional exercise that's individualized, oftentimes fixes things. Yeah, I'm glad you guys pointed him to coach, though, because a lot of

times, uh, even watching the videos and like emulating the movements, uh, you know, sometimes clients don't really have, they're not quite in tune with their body to that degree. Totally. To be able to create that kind of bracing and that type of, um, you know, strengthening around the area, not exceed it. So, um, you know, to learn that is invaluable. Oh, I mean, considering one of the examples he gave was, like, woodchops, like, talk about a movement that could make or break it go wrong. Right. Like, if you don't have the foundational strength connection to your core to activate it, tighten it up, and keep it tight through that movement, that's like a recipe for an injury. Oh, yeah. And a movement like that.

Or it could help. Yeah. Or it could be amazing, right? It depends on how it's done. Done properly. It can be amazing. And by the way, you can't tell. An expert can tell, but most people would look at the both.

done wrong, done right, and would not be able to notice. Yeah, yeah, it's hard. That's what makes the core a lot more challenging and unique for the typical coach or someone to just look at and be like, oh, yeah, because you'll do the movement. It'll look, you know, you'll move in the same plane. But if it's not, if he's not activating constantly, it would make a huge difference. Our next caller is Savannah from Florida. Hi, Savannah.

Hi, Savannah. Hi, Savannah. Hi, hi, guys. Good morning. How can we help you? So I originally sent this when I actually broke my ribs. So I'm thankfully in a better place now. But I am a professional equestrian, so I ride horses.

And unfortunately, I broke my ribs doing something with the horses. But I'm also really into fitness. I've been lifting pretty consistently and seriously for about five or six years. I started a strength training business specifically for equestrians, trying to kind of bridge that gap. Oh, wow. But during this time, I was trying to figure out what could I do to not lose strength? Because obviously, I still had to be able to work and, you know, be able to, when the time came to ride again, not be behind and trying to catch up there.

If there was anything both in the gym and also sides like BPC 157, you know, using going to go. peptide, that sort of thing. And in your guys' opinion, short-term injuries, how much strength would I actually lose versus, I know we talk about, you guys talk about strength coming back quickly, and it's a muscle memory and all of that. But in my head, I'm also, you know, I just felt like I was going to lose everything that I had worked so hard for. Yeah, no, good question, Savannah. Thanks for calling in. So are you, you know, is it okay if I'm a little bit direct with kind of what I think the issue is here? Please. So the issue here is fear. So you have a, you broke your ribs. Explain that injury to me a little bit because that's a pretty gnarly injury.

Breaking ribs affects a lot. That was the hardest thing. I've injured other parts where you just kind of kick on and, you know, you brace it and work other things. The ribs really slows you down. Oh yeah. You can't do anything. How many ribs did you break and where? I broke, I'm seven and eight, and I got kicked, unfortunately. So it wasn't even a call. Yeah, it was pretty brutal, I got to say. Darn it. So the issue's fear here.

So here's a deal. You can't do much, as I'm sure you already aware, the ribs are connected to almost everything. So doing almost any movement that requires any kind of bracing, which is almost everything, is going to be very difficult with broken ribs. And broken ribs can take a little while to heal. All the supportive structures can take a little while.

as I'm sure you're experiencing. You will get weaker. You're 100% going to get weaker, okay? The things you could do to help yourself get better quicker or to help yourself not lose as much strength is to heal faster. So you have to change the mentality from, oh, no, can't lose a strength. What can I get away with to how can I get myself to heal as fast as possible? That's the best strategy.

We'll get weaker. Yes. Will you lose muscle? Yes. Will it come back very quickly? Faster than you can imagine. It comes back. Muscle memory is radically amazing at its abilities.

It's crazy. I don't know if you've ever broken a limb before and had to wear a cast and take the cast off. And you see how much the muscle atrophies. And then it just comes back on its own. Has that ever happened to you? Since I was a kid. So a long time ago. It comes back so fast.

In the meantime, if you can do isometrics, that would be the best thing. to remain connected. You can also use stim to help keep the muscles connected. But isometrics would be the best thing, and it's probably going to be just the limbs because, again, the ribs are at your trunk, and any kind of supported anything is going to affect the ribs. So you might be able to sit and do like a leg extension

and squeeze the leg, or maybe you'll do a leg curl and squeeze the leg, or do an abduction and squeeze, you know, and just kind of tense things. The good news about what I'm saying is you could practice it often. So you could do it, you know, five times a day, you know, type of deal. And then in the meantime, rest, feed yourself. Because the other fear sometimes people have is, oh, my God, it gets so fat.

Okay. So restricting calories will slow down recovery as well. Now, I'm not saying eat garbage, but get adequate protein, adequate fats, carbohydrates. And then the peptides that have the most effect on, speeding up recovery in order of effectiveness, and you can combine them all, is BPC 157, thymus and beta, or TB 500,

GHKCU, and KPV. But BPC is the most effective, thymus and beta or TB 500 would be second. Those two are the most powerful together. And then if you want, you can combine GHKCU and KPV. And all of those are, they work synergistically to help heal the body, to help with collagen, connective tissue, muscle, bone, all of that stuff.

And then when you're able to get back into training, the mistake that people often make is they think they need to go hard. Actually, very little will get the body to start getting stronger. You don't need to make up lost time. It's crazy. I'm telling you how crazy it's going to blow your mind when you start to kind of get, first off, you're going to be shocked at, oh, my God, I'm so weak. And then the following week, you're going to be like, whoa, I feel a lot stronger.

And by week four and five, you're going to be like, whoa, I'm coming back very, very quickly. So just rest in that. The mental part's going to be a hard part because you're probably very active. I know your sport requires a lot of you're doing it a lot. You're also in fitness. So the mental part is part because now you're like kind of forced to sit still, which is really, really tough. That's probably the hardest part, honestly. Not much to add to that other than maybe red light therapy if you have access to that.

access to that. That's great. And you can shine it right on the ribs. Yeah. So live in front of that thing. Get in front of that pretty frequently. Are you in the Ocala area? We're in Florida.

Are you? I'm Wellington. Oh, okay. Yeah. Mike Matthews is. Oh, he's out there. Yeah, the question area. Oh, here's the other thing, too.

Are you able to get into a swim? Because a pool and water with its buoyancy sometimes can provide a little bit of stability. Are you able to do that? Yeah, for sure. So you can even get. in a pool and like walk. That's a good call. Back and forth.

You want that blood circulation. You want movement, but it has to be really light and not a lot of impact. So, you know, I think, yeah, swimming would be a great. Biggest mistake, though, that trainer slash athletes, which you are both make is too much, too fast too soon. 100%. Keep it light. That is the, and that you want to talk about the fastest way to lose more muscle is trying to, trying to hard, too fast and setting yourself. back. An extra, a week or two of slowness or taking your time is not going to hinder your progress.

Trying to do something you shouldn't be doing yet is we'll set you way back. We'll set you way. We'll set you months back. So remember that. Yeah, but in my head that's going to be that. I trust me, I know. I know so well because I know I'm guilty of making the mistake more than once. All of us have done it repeatedly to ourselves. So we're speaking out of experience. I know how much it sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. One more question. So you say, calories and protein are obviously important. I've never not ridden like in my entire life. I've always been able to ride. So I don't even really know what maintenance is in that sense. And I know walking is going to be, I'm going to be walking more than normal. So should I almost go above what I think?

You're better off going above than going below. That's for sure. At the very least, eat exactly as you were before. Yeah. Yeah. Don't try to adjust it because of the reduced activity. Some people will make that mistake. Okay, well, I'm moving less. So I'm going to cut my calories down. which actually now you're sending two singles in a lot. I mean, I can tell you're lean through your long sleeve shirt.

So you are better off adding a couple pounds of body fat to speed up the recovery than you are just trying to hover right around the same way. So definitely bowed on maintenance to surplus than trying to figure out well, now I'm not riding.

So maybe I should only eat this much, like eat too much, accidentally put on three to five pounds. That's better for us. Yes. Yes. That's better. Okay.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yep. Yeah. How long do, How long did they tell you it's going to take? Honestly, not a great answer. They're like four or six weeks. Could it be eight weeks.

I'm like, okay. Ribs suck. Yeah. You don't want to sneeze. What week are you on right now? How far in are you right now? So I'm actually, I'm past now. I'm pretty in a good, good spot.

I'm at like eight weeks now. Okay, good. And how do you feel? Like you said, I was pretty discouraged at the beginning. And now I feel better. I can still tell. I can still feel things. Actually, the hardest thing is like chest exercises, which I guess.

Yep. Yeah. Rotation, chest exercises, rows with the hard squeeze might be difficult. You know, because the ribs, if you look at the ribs, they attach to the spine, they come around and they're just kind of floating. And there's all these muscles that attach and connect to them. And so it can be, it feels unstable. It can feel like it's unstable after they're healed for a while.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a very odd feeling, and I just started riding again, too, and that was a very odd feeling. Okay, so since the ribs are healed, so the brakes are healed, right? You're saying they're totally healed now? Yeah. Okay. Breathing exercises are going to be really good for you.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. So full diaphragmatic breaths that expand the rib cage, contract the rib cage. You want the rib cage to stretch and come in. Don't get crazy with it. So don't go do a dumbbell pullover where you're trying to like really, because you'll pull something. but like focus on the breath because here's what also happens. So I'm glad we're at this point.

And this brings me to another thing that's important. Broken ribs or when they heal, sometimes people develop breathing pattern issues that last a long time because you had to breathe differently, maybe not even realizing it because of the rib injury. Yeah, real shallow. And so, and then that can continue to cause problems for a long time. So practice full diaphragmatic breaths throughout the day.

So that's another thing to add. Interesting. That makes sense though. Yeah. Cool. Thank you guys. Yeah, you got it. Be patient. You're going to be good.

Be patient. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Thanks so much. Bye. Of all the bones that would suck, I think the two that I would hate to break the most, I mean, I'm sure there's other ones, but just off the top of my ribs and collarbone. Those two, because they don't put, they don't put like a cast on you.

No. They don't like help it. Like you break a collarbone, it just, we're going to let it heal the way it is. like, okay, I'm just going to not do anything and hold myself together. That's your new colorbone. Ribbs would probably be that, I mean, I've never had a broken bone, so thank God, not if I would. But ribs sounds painful.

I've bruised ribs. I saw it. In person. So I went snowboarding, and my friend's dad was actually like snowboarding with us, and he decided to try and keep up and went on one of those platform jumps. Right in front of me. And then his hat flew off, and he goes to catch it. in the air, he's sideways, lands sideways.

Oh! Right on his ribs and broke all his ribs on his left side. It was so brutal. Yeah. So, yeah, he was in a lot of pain. Our next caller is Mike from Arizona. Mike, what's up, dude? What's up, Mike?

What's up, fellas? How are we? Good, dude. How can we help you? Yeah, got you. So, before we get started, of course, I have to give some thank you to you guys. I have probably a dozen maps programs.

I have probably every sponsor that you guys work with I have or have had with the exception of maybe eight sleep. So if you guys have any extra in the back room, let me know. That's next. But the amount of money that I've spent with you guys and all your sponsors comes nothing close to the value that I get from you guys. Just the way I understand fitness and nutrition and health and wellness is beyond anything. So even, I'm a golf professional in Arizona, and I opened my own golf instruction company about three years ago. And just the parallels that you guys talk about coaching clients and golf instructions, very, very close. So, you know, sell a lot of your analogies that you use with, you know, your clients and you talk about I take and make my own just to put a golf spin on it.

So very cool. Sometimes when you talk golf, sell, it's a little like, ugh. I don't know very much about golf at all. Just chalk it up to sports ball. I did beat them at top golf. Does that count, Mike? Hell yeah, it counts. Oh, man, don't say that.

Adam, you probably remember this. We've chatted a few times, but maybe about two years ago, you guys were doing an event in Truckee, and I was going to come out and give you a golf lesson and get on video with business. I remember that. That's you. Okay. You look familiar, too.

I was like, man, I felt like we met before. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I remember now. So I still owe you one, some way or another. We're going to get that in. No, no, I would love that. I would love that, dude. That's for sure. Right on.

So, question. I've been doing exclusively mass programs for about four years. I've done anabolic, I think twice, advanced three times, aesthetic, performance, power lift. for maybe the last year or so I've been doing MAPS 15 style programs and like anyone who's on the fence about that like they're legit so I didn't think I would love it as much as I do but man like it's such a great great program all of them so

so being on the 15 protocol for like I said the last year I wanted to switch things up body feels good wanted to increase the volume, want to see if I could put on a little bit more size. So my original question I had to you guys was like, hey, like, how should I go about this? Since the first email I sent in, there's been some updates. I went ahead of Dexa scan. Dexter showed that I am, I'm six feet tall, 220, 15% body fat and 181 pounds of lean. So I'm 41.

I realized, hey, I'm doing all right for 41. Bro, you won. Yeah. You won. You're doing great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you. So, like I said, I'm working with a practitioner. I'm on TRT for last year and a half. I just had my labs drawn and it was showing that my IGF one was fairly low. So exploring the world of peptides, again, did some a few years back. but um so this is going to there was kind of falling everything falling into place hey i'm going to hit bump up my my uh volume get on some peptides be optimized do as much as i can see like re-measure dexa in in three months now when the dexa came back it showed that i had 1.6 pounds of visceral

so just kind of like looking through the lens of health hey maybe that's a better idea to to get that 1.6 off me versus trying to get another 5 pounds of muscle. But I want to both. So what's your guys in the recommendation? How can I? You'll probably, I'm stubborn.

In process of adding 5 pounds of muscle, you'll probably pursue the lower body fat percentage so that I would go that direction. But I'm more curious about, I'm going to let you go on a minute, but before we jump out of these 15s, I want to know how much golf you're playing. So I don't golf a lot.

So I actually tell people that I don't really like golf anymore. I golfed a ton. But I get my fill of golf by teaching it. So I'm around it every day. I get to talk it. I get to help people better at it. So I don't need to go out and golf, you know, four hours, you know, every day. So, I mean, I golf probably a dozen times a year at most.

So, okay. So I'm going to impede our training. Mike, there's really no wrong way for you to go. I mean, you're doing so well. 15% body fat is great. You've got a lot of lean body mass. I mean, you could use peptides to bring up IGF1. You could go HGH as well.

It's not going to be as dramatic as testosterone. TRT can be quite dramatic with its effects. HGH and growth hormone, you know, you'll notice that over the course of a year or two. You might get a little leaner, you know, better sleep, that kind of stuff. There's really no wrong way to go. I mean, where I would point you in the direction of is. whatever feels the most fun. Because you could go on a cut, you can try to gain muscle,

you can work on mobility, you could try new skills. Because you're in such a good place, dude. It really, honestly, what sounds the most fun for you? Well, I have the other question I might ask you to, because I do, I think sounds so right. Like, you're in a great place. This is kind of like right where I like to hover. This is, I hover right around this body fat percentage.

We're very similar size. when you look at your diet, eating, drinking, whatever the things are, is there anything that stands out to you that's egregious that you know you could tighten up or be better at? Because maybe the pathway is just that. Like you're like, for me, I'll just tell you, I know when I could be having more whiskey than I probably need to have in the diet. And so it's just like, and then I get the decks that. I'm like, I'm a little higher on the body of that percentage.

I should probably lean out. I should probably cut back on something like that. but how do you feel about your diet when you assess it? Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I'm very, it's kind of cruise control. Like, it's not, I'm not restrictive. It's just like, I'm in a good place diet-wise. Like, I enjoy my treats. I, I try to eat clean.

I, you know, I eat 200 plus grams a day. So I'm doing, I know I'm doing everything right, but like, I go back and forth. The other day, you know, I hit a PR on bench of 385. And then it's like, so one day I love. being strong and I'm like let's bulk, let's go, let's get 405. And then the next is, no, let's get down to 10 and see what that looks like for fun. Because I've never been shredded before. So it's like, so every day, it's kind of back and forth. Okay. So then I do have an opinion on that. At 41, I would push you to get leaner from my personal experience of having

that exact thought and then injury and shit happens. Like that. So you're already, we talked about this other day on the podcast. Like at one point, when you start pushing 300 pounds on bench, squatting 400 pounds, deadlifting 400. You, yeah, you are reaping 90% of the benefits of what lifting heavy weights going to give you. Go adding another 20 pounds is all ego that wants that next thing. And it's not going to serve you. So it's why. At our age, why go do that when we're getting leaner absolutely could serve you?

Like if you've never been shredded and 9% body fat, there's a lot. lot of value in that. There's a lot of value of like. And learning about what that's like. Learning about what that's like. Learning how to diet like that, training that way. And that's a lot safer. Your strength is going to come down a little bit. Who cares? You're already hell as strong. You know what I'm saying? Like get, get shredded, get lean. Enjoy that process. Challenge yourself that. It's challenging as shit. So challenge yourself that way. I wouldn't push you. And this would be different advice if you were benching 185. And you're like, I'd be like, cool, we got a lot of room still to get bigger and stronger. There's not going to be much benefit for you

getting stronger other than the fact that you're you're lifting crazy weight yeah uh but you know what adam's saying like a couple people getting leaner i mean the discipline involved what that looks like what that feels like there's some stuff you can learn you're in such a healthy place that you know i'd say go for it uh one word of caution when you're cutting is you've got to drop the intensity and not get addicted uh or should i say not marry the weights that you're lifting sometimes dudes are like no i'm not going to get weaker, you know, when trying to get 9%. Yeah. And then that kind of becomes a problem.

It's all diet, dude. It's all going to be structured diet. It's all going to be like prepping your meals, you know, all that stuff. I mean, honestly, what might be a cool move if I was coaching you would be like, stay on math 15. Let's diet to get to 9%. Once you get down to 9%, let's go, let's increase volume, increase calories. And just let it do its work.

Like literally just go like, like, stay the volume we're at. Because to Salis point, when you start cutting, all of a sudden, ramping up your volume right now is not going to serve you. No, no, no. So keep your volume and map. So run a MAPS 15 style, but do it in a diet. Cut out all the goodies and maybe pick up the activity a little bit as far as walking, moving, steps, those things. And get lean.

And here's another thing, too, with the guy like you, you're doing so well, dude, that let's say you go on Tessa Maryland. This is a growth hormone releasing peptide. If you kept everything the same, you're probably going to drop. And I, you know, I'm careful when I say this. This is not for everybody, but for a dude like you, muscle. 1 to 2%. Yeah, you'll probably drop down to 13%. Yeah.

Just from the Tessa Maryland. Yep. Over the course of like six to nine months, uh, you combine that with a calorie deficit, you know, drop 500 calories. You'll probably get down to like 11% without like really hard focus, just some focus.

So that's just another thought. So I am from the, my practitioner. I did. I'm two weeks into Tess Merellin, I'm doing BPC, TB, and then SS31 and MOTC. Okay.

Are you using SS31 and Motsi at the same time? Yeah. How do you feel? Do the gym lift? Like I do it two days a week. Like, dude, yes. I'm on Motsie too. For some people, both of those combined at the same time could be too much.

Is that what gave you your little issue? It was, yeah, I could not take them both at the same time. Can I ask what was going on? It's just too much mitochondrial like amperial. His STDs flared up. He had to go to the hospital. No, no, those are. We have the same ones you have.

No, I felt, it felt bad. It made me feel not good. It was just too much mitochondria focus. So I can do one. Isn't that when you got the serotonin thing? No. That's the other time I combined a bunch of things. I get it all confused where all the things he'd be tested.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've done it. I've done the combination. I think two, like, Monday and Thursday before Lyft. And like that's, I just hit the PR. So I don't know. Like I feel great in the gym.

So no negative yet. But going back to your point, I am on Tessa Morel and I just started that two weeks in. Yeah. So Tessa Marelin plus MOTC alone will probably drop two or three percent. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you can keep everything the same, dude.

And you're probably going to over the course of six to nine months. But where we're all at in our life, I mean, your strength, you're winning. You won. You're at the place. You want to be. to me this is ideally to kind of hover around this totally think it's cool to go up or down but the i really have changed a lot of my opinions around the pursuing the like really pushing the PR

thing because the the the risk versus reward at this place in our life is just like it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense yeah and it's it's still challenging i have my moments like the other day i was in squatting the in the gym and uh there was this power lifter chick that was living right next me and i was like fuck she's like literally doing more weight than you right now like that was really tough for me to not like intentionally start and I'm like get out of your get out of your head like it's so I still got to have the conversation with myself because it's all ego that makes me want to do that it's not going to serve me anymore at that point and you're you're at you're at pretty peak strength dude to you're not going to get much benefit from that you get more benefit for getting

shredded though for you know you know what you could do Mike honestly because like I said you'll probably drop two or three percent just kind of staying where you're at right now maybe two percent I would say you could hire a coach and get real crazy with your diet and I'm getting that down to 9% is kind of wild, you know, 10, 9, 8%. It gets kind of weird. There's a lot of mental stuff that goes on. It's very meticulous. You got to weigh, measure things, type of deal.

Hiring a coach and just going through that might be something if you're interested in going that far. But I got to tell you, dude, you won, dude. You're kicking butt. I'd say just, I don't know, just to God, just have fun. Like, that's the best advice I can tell you, just have fun. So I, like, that's the thing. I never want to get to a diet or, like, in the gym where it feels like work.

Like I just, it's just, as you guys know, it's going to the gym is my therapy. It gets me, it's my time. So I did, I was on a cut for about 12 weeks or so. And it was like I didn't drop below 2,600. But I did lean out to, I probably dropped 12 to 15 pounds. So I did just come off of a cut. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I wouldn't go in a cut then.

Yeah, dude. Yeah, just bump your calories up and get strong, have fun, dude. Yeah, because 2,600 is about as low as I would take a guy your size. Yeah. I wouldn't go any lower than that because that would really, really be a quality of life decrease and you get some negatives out of that. And I can't go lower that. I'm so damn hungry when I was at 26. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude, you're a big guy, dude. So you probably are, you're probably good at 3,000, 3, 300. That's probably going to keep you lean, strong, good. You could probably get up to 3,800 to build muscle. You know, it's probably your range.

I mean, you literally could just do what it. That's why I ask the thing about, you know you better than anybody. Like, I know what my handful of things that don't serve me in the diet. If I just restrict for like four, six weeks from those things, I can drop two, three percent. It's like, when you hover around the place where you're at is like, okay, I could. You take out the gummy bear. Yeah, I could stop the, I could stop the whiskey for a month. You know what I'm saying?

I could stop the ice cream after dinner. Like, I could do, like, there's a handful of things. I know that I love, which you could also enjoy and be 15% body fat, but if you want to mess with some things, you can play with that for a while. But you're, bro, you're at where we try and coach everybody to get to.

In your mid-40s, strong as shit, activist shit. You're at the top of the mountain, dude. You're a great balance. Great balance of muscle, aesthetic. You're not, you have good body fat on you. You're not too shredded. You're not too, you're perfect, dude.

So you could just kind of fuck it up from here, to be honest. well thanks for nothing we left you with nothing bro yeah yeah yeah just my only one thing you could go either way

but just I just caution you with the strength thing because you're 41 right you said right this is I mean literally 40 to 40 I'm turning 45 you're stronger than 99.9% this is 40 40 to 45 where I'm at now is where all these injuries started happen like crazy

and it was a lot of me chasing numbers that I just didn't need to do anymore, you know? Yeah, I hear you. So I did, I'm three weeks into Anabolic again, and I did just start ice hockey league. I haven't played in like about 10 years. Last night was the first game, but, so I did introduce a,

I mean, a big cardio stimulus into my life. Anything change? Still just have fun. Well, now I, okay, so that does change advice, because then to me, your training should be something that's going to compliment and bulletproof your hockey. Because this is exactly how you get hurt. Wakeboarded and basketball or my injuries were picking that up later in my life.

You know, I don't know what you were like in hockey size-wise, but when I was playing sports and jumping around on wakeboards, I was not 220 and I was a little, I was thin. He sent us some pictures that Doug pulled up and he's pretty damn athletic for being a big guy. So, yeah, so Maps 15 performance will probably be good while you're playing hockey. Yeah, yeah, right on. Yeah, dude. Well, then that's what I'll do. 15 performance.

Good. Do it, Mike. Good, dude. And then next time we're up in Truckee, we'll link up. Yeah. I sure hope so. Well, Arizona, I know, Sally, you may have been out for the Peptide World Conference, but open door. If you guys are in Arizona, you don't reach out.

I'm going to be pissed. Okay. We go there once a year now, so. Yeah, cool. Yeah. Help us beat Cell. Yeah. I knocked down those angry birds, dude.

Yeah, yeah. All right, Keith, keep his post, Mike. I'd like to hear how it goes for you, brother. Right on, guys. I appreciate the time. Take it easy, right? Yeah, it's not often that people get into that great place,

but I got to say this, you know, because sometimes, you know, for people listening, if this is you, there's a difference between climbing the mountain and enjoying the view. And sometimes when you're climbing the mountain, you get to the top, you're at a place that you learn to enjoy the view and not chase so hard. after certain things.

And then that becomes a problem. Like you said, I'm like, you know, it's 380 bench. Like, what if he's like, I want to get a 400?

Like, I want to break 400. It's cool. But the risk of injury, it's going to bring you though. It's going to bring him nothing that other than he can say he bench 400. Substantial.

No, no. I mean, it's not often we get, we talk to somebody like that on, on the podcast. So, and I don't know.

I think I feel extra passionate about this conversation because I've wrestled with this the last five years in my life. And so, and I think when I, when I, when I really think back to, and I'm sure there's somebody who's listening, like, oh, that's a weak answer you guys give me. It's good.

But it's like, no, I mean, at this point in stage of my life, like health, longevity, maintaining that athletic, strong 15% build is way, like, man, tearing my peck, tearing my Achilles, tearing ACL, MCL, all that stuff was, were horrible setbacks. Horrible setbacks. And I went through periods of time on some of those injuries where I was depressed and frustrated. And it's like, like, dude, if I had not done that. Yeah, I could have not. If I go back and do it all over again and be like, what are you doing chasing numbers like that?

Our next caller is Michelle from Ontario. Hi, Michelle. Welcome back. How are you doing, Michelle? Hey, how are you guys? Good to see it. How's it going? It's been an interesting month.

I will say. Okay. Fill us in. Let us know. I'm going to say it's been more of a negative. We just had a lot going on this month. So I haven't been like the greatest at everything. So that's been kind of like frustrating.

but like I know I have to take it like day by day. I'm starting work in a couple of weeks. So like that's been like on my mind too. So like I don't know how things are going to work. My son started daycare. So that's been a lot. And then I even like injured myself. So like that kind of like halted everything.

So like that's been like my biggest thing of like how do I get back into it after an injury. But like how do I also like still focus on working out without like pushing myself too much? I totally get that. How did you hurt your back? Yeah, what happened? Honestly, like, I think it's just, like, sleeping weird, like, my back and my upper back and my neck, like, it just, like, I couldn't turn my neck. Like, it was just, like, really, like, hard.

I even, like, went to, like, get a massage to kind of, like, help that work out whatever it was. But, like, it just, like, I don't even know how it happened. And, like, that's, like, more of the annoying part. Yeah, that sucks when that happens. That's happened to me before. So the thing to remember, Michelle, with the fitness journey, okay? is that we want to use exercise and nutrition,

not just for these things, by the way, okay? Because there's, especially with diet, there's so much that goes around our food, like celebration and connecting, okay? But we also want to be able to use those as ways to improve the quality of our life regardless of what's happening in our lives. And so sometimes what happens is we'll go through something.

Like we had a client. I actually got on a call a while ago with one of our trainers and their clients. And we had talked about the previous year that they had done coaching. And there were a couple really difficult situations that had happened within that. One of them was a personal one.

The other one had to revolved around illness and injury. And so she was a little bit, well, she was disheartened. And she's like, man, that was such a tough year, which it is, definitely was. And then I said, look, had you not had a coach or had you not worked on these things and had good nutrition and worked with your exercise in a proper way,

how much worse do you think it would have been? And she's like, oh, it would have been a lot worse. And I think that helped her kind of get a different picture on what fitness and nutrition can do. Because sometimes what we do is we look at them and we create this ideal. And then things happen in life, illness, job, maybe a random injury. It could be lots of different things. And we're like, man, it just sucked.

It didn't do anything. But the reality is those things helped so long as we're, we applied them properly. So I want you to kind of have that. The other thing I'd like to add, if it's okay, Michelle, is you're going through a challenging part life. You had a baby, going back to work. That's very challenging. You know, kids going to daycare, very challenging transitions. When you look at the data on moms and dads that really get through these challenging times or commonly challenging times, they're the ones that have the closest network of support. They belong to a community that they do life work.

with oftentimes it's church or family. Do you have that or do you feel alone in all of this? No, I definitely like have it. I think I'm also the person that kind of like prevents asking for help because like they're not doing life with you then. Yeah. Yeah. Doing life with people isn't just hey, how you doing? Good to see you. Let's get lunch. It's those people that you go to and you say, this is hard. This sucks. I don't know how I'm going to do it. You'll let them know you get real vulnerable. That's the only way that you get the kind of connection and support that really makes a difference.

If you kind of hold it in and keep it to yourself, then they can't really be there for you in the ways that you need. And I'm going to tell you this, and this is a lesson that I have learned repeatedly, you can't do it all by yourself. Yeah. You just can't. I also want to add is we have, you have like a call like this with us and we do this with so many people. And what happens a lot of times is someone gets off the call and they're motivated,

inspired, whatever. And then they start in their head planning like, okay, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that and I'm going to do this. And then maybe they start the next day and they start moving in that direction. And then to Salas point, life happens. Shit goes wrong. Wake up. You feel stiffness. You hurt and you don't accomplish one of those things. And then you immediately start punishing or feeling bad or mad at yourself or what the thing is. And you aspire. And you spy. And you're, roll from there versus being like, man, I can't train today or I'm not going to be able to. That's okay. I'm going to go for a walk today or I'm going to do something.

I'm going to stretch to this more. Like it's okay to take small steps. And so don't have this vision of like this perfect like what it's got to look like in your head. Be okay and give yourself permission that there's going to be these moments and times when you just don't got it to do the thing and getting up and making a choice that is serving you. and a health would be a healthier version of you. Like say maybe in the past that spiral would happen

and then you would make bad food choices and sit down and watch TV or do something that you know is definitely necessary. Like just make a healthier choice. Don't do that thing. Go for a walk. And that's a win. That's a win. So what?

You didn't get to the workout. So what you didn't do X, Y, Z that you thought you were going to do. But don't allow that to spy. And don't set these expectations of you've got to do these things because then you set yourself up for failure. And then when that failure happens, then you spiral versus every day trying to get a small win. Get a small win, even if it is, like I said, just going for a walk. And I feel like ever since like talking to you guys like from the first time and then last month,

like I feel like that was who I was. Like I was that person like, you know, I put myself down, beat myself up without it. And I have noticed that ever since talking to you guys, like I have started switching my mindset. And that like when I do have a bad day or whatever something throws me off, I do try to think and like not be. so negative on myself. And like even now with this being getting hurt this month and everything that has been going, I've been kind of a bit, I'm more mindful of like, okay, well, I did a walk today. I did an extra 30 minutes of walking. I've noticed that change in myself. I want to say like it's a big thank you to you guys and like opening my eyes up and like helping me switch my mindset.

Great. Great job. That's that that is a win this month even because here's the deal. even if you had the most perfect month this month, eventually you're going to have rough and hard months. And that's how you got to handle it. You've got to, this is a hard time. I didn't get to do all the things I wanted to do. But it's okay. This time, I didn't beat myself up over it.

Instead, I did this, and I did do these things. And you know what? Next month is going to be a better month. And just you got to reframe it. And it sounds like you actually did a lot better than you think you did. On the mental side, maybe you didn't hit all these goals that you might have had on the physical side or the diet. or whatever that. But mentally you're already framing this different. And that's the first step of really moving and getting that momentum. I only have one, like, you know, moving forward

recommendation if it's okay. So if you can think of the two people in your life that you feel most comfortable doing life with, like just think of two people. You only need one, but just think of two. And then when you hang up, you get on the phone with them and you just tell them, hey, let me tell you the things that are hard for me right now. I'm going to go back to work, a couple weeks, put the baby in daycare. I got hurt. I'm kind of struggling. And I just need to tell somebody and I need some support and you're the person I thought of.

That is really hard for somebody that feels very self-sufficient. I can identify with that. But I'm going to tell you right now, it makes a huge difference. Huge difference to have that person. But if you don't let them in, they don't even know, you know. If you got that person, I would call them today. And I'm telling you, it makes a huge, you could read all the, I don't know if you're a data person. I am.

When I see the data on that, I'm like, why am I not doing this? It's like the most effective thing I could possibly do. Okay. Not to mention, it'll blow you away by how you make them feel. Oh, they love it. I mean, think about you got, you love people. If they came to you, you'd be like, thank you for coming to me. Especially when you're the type of person who doesn't do that.

Yeah. Because it's, it is rare. You'll surprise them and you'll make that person feel loved, feel special, feel seen. and so that in itself has a lot of power too. Okay. I will definitely do that. You will? Yes.

All right, Michelle. All right. Yeah, thanks for calling in. You got this. Good to see you again. Doing good. Yeah. Thank you, guys.

Thanks, hon. All right. Bye. That's the hardest thing. By the way, the things that she mentioned, a lot of people don't talk about that. When you look at, again, I'm a data guy, right? You look at the data on moms going back to work. It is a major

traumatic. Yes, that's the exact word. It is a major transition. Then there's the guilt of my kid in daycare and how's that going to go and they're going to be around other people and it's very, very challenging. And there's a lot of moms out like,

I'm not going to tell anybody. This is what we do. This is what we're supposed to do. Yeah, you just have to do it. Or I'm just going to get up and make it happen. It's like, you know, when you work with other moms

and other family members who've done it before and you could talk with them through it or whatever, it makes a huge difference. Well, the hard truth is that we've normalized something that's not normal at all. That's not normal. It's not normal to do that, to have to do that.

That's why it's so hard. And so, yeah, it's very, very normal to feel that way to go through something like that. If you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance,

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