Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 302: Autoimmune Condition Support, Weak Muscular People, Superiority Of Strength Training & MORE

Episode Date: June 1, 2016

iTunes Review Winners & Quah! Are you looking for politically correct? Well, you have come to the wrong place! Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best general nutritional approach to follow in order to help auto-immune conditions, why some people who look bigger are weaker than their smaller counterparts, gurus who suggest heavy strength training is the sole method to muscle building and the classes that they will teach at the Mind Pump Academy. Get the Mind Pump Discount Red, Green & Black Super Bundle at www.mindpumpmedia.com Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week the best reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpmedia.com.

How come you don't yell at him when he's on his phone? He's probably talking to his wife, dude, and kids and stuff. Oh, that boy, that is fucking biased as shit. I love South American. Because he has a wife and kids, he just automatically gets a pass when he's on the phone. Bro, when you're a responsible adult, you're gonna be a guest.

Um, you know, we can have this conversation. Fuck you, you two. Wow. I guarantee you that when you were on your phone or when you were on your leaks, it was either like some social media something. Well, it wasn't my wife or child, you're right. It wasn't that.

It was both, I'm sure it was fucking in place. He's out. I was talking to somebody else. I did some grown-up stuff over here. You know what I mean? Sorry about that. No, it's cool. We got some reviews.

Boom! Do it. Lots of reviews. Boom! What do you mean, lots? What? You remember Justin got some reviews. Boom! Do lots of reviews. Boom! What do you mean lots? Lots? Remember Justin got 21 reviews. Right.

You guys got less. Right. Rub it in. Rub it in. But, I love how you phrase that, doesn't love it. Someone say better quality. Let's just say that, since Justin called for the reviews, there have been 29 new ones. Wow.

Wait a minute. That was after we had now just an- That's one, that context. That's a world now just that's one that's a world record. That is a world record. We have never had 29 reviews in one week. That's crazy. Maybe they just listen to the episode where I called for it. That's what I'm thinking that could happen.

It could be. Justin, can you be a favor and call upon our listeners to give us some money to donate a $100 for some. Yeah. Use your power for good. So the better that's the right message. So the better than just some reviews. You know, it doesn't sound that impressive

when you think about it. It's only 30, we have thousands and thousands of people listening. It's actually what's crazy is to think that it's 30 people actually took the time. It is impressive. Because it's hard to sell the find the place to review. It is. How hard is it to find how to review?

It is. iTunes reviewing stuff. It's so to sell the find the person reviewing. How hard is it to find how to review and also to put it iTunes? iTunes reviewing stuff. It makes up. Yeah. It's so, you know, the 30 that did actually patiently sit down and take the time to do that much love. We love you. So we're giving out a lot of shirts today.

Yeah, we're giving out six shirts. Six shirts. I do want to say that quickly. Yeah. I just wanted to mention though that one of the common themes that was coming up in recent reviews was how much money people are saving on supplements. Like $150 a month, you know, it's been well worth them making the switch. Wow, so how are we going to get us assassinated?

Now we're going to get, listen, I warned you guys, you're going to work with me, so we're going to get these companies. Just wow, I've seen these dips They were skydiving with so you core and often Any Not going I'm not buying a test I'm gonna have a to a taster with me Hey, my food real quick We were all undercover. We went to the expo no mine I had a mine puff shirt on. I had a map.

I had a map. I had the black. Oh, it was ma'am. So it's black too. You had the black of black maps. You had the notes you're looking for. Nobody said mine puff in there. And I had a cardigan over it.

So. Yeah. A nice light blue one. So here are our six winners. Skibbiddy Scott. Skibbiddy Scott. Ooh. Glen A B3. Steve Eggwellar.

Excellent. Blake Fossett. I recognize that chick's name. Blakeena. The mattress. The mattress. Must be your mom. And born awesome 509. Wait, didn't I do? Did you say born awesome 509? Oh, I like that. Then did you say something about how Blake left like three reviews from the front of the leg actually did leave three reviews? Can you do me a favor, Doug, and send him a couple of shirts just for doing that?

Yeah, sure. Why not? I think you're gonna come up for cheating the system. Yeah, he just let's say fly past the system. If you're not, you're not cheating, you're not trying. You're here, this is what I encourage. First of all, if you leave multiple reviews on the same device, it doesn't count.

You have to have different, like, what are they called, Apple IDs? Yes. Oh, by the way, the people that have done that at the Apple stores, mad props. Yes. Oh shit, what if they didn't leave us a review? Yes, that I'm saying. Bro, yeah. You can't, I've tried that. Oh shit, what if they didn't leave us a review? Yes, that I'm saying.

Brilliant. I've tried that. Oh yeah. They've locked it down. But you've subscribed. But yeah, what I've used to. People to mine pump. Yeah, I just, I pull it all, I pull it up every time.

But what you could do is like you could leave a review on from your phone, from your wife's phone, from your girlfriend's phone. You could leave it from everybody's phone. You know what I'm saying? I don't, I think it's per IP address, right? That's what I'm saying. It could be, I don't know. are those are they would share the same.

But here's a critical life and girlfriend. Don't share. If you have a wife and you have a girlfriend, they probably don't say my IP address. You're probably known to say my future. They are. You fucked up. You're doing it wrong, bro. So I just I do want to comment though on Blake, he wrote a really awesome review. Oh yeah. So that's why he won. on Blake he wrote a really awesome review. Oh, so that's why he won Not because he wrote a lot of them because he wrote a good one. She's one of my favorite people that we have So all of you winners send me an email at iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com include your Apple ID name as Well as your address and your shirt size and we'll get those right out to you.

Who do we love? Our listeners. Yay! If you wanna pump your body and expand your mind, please only one place to go. Mind, mind, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Fucking eating dude.

So why can't that be not, bro? No other podcast does that. Fuck every, we do that here. Sometimes Adam meets with Jolato. Sometimes Adam meets Jolato. I was just trying to be polite. I was like, let's wait for Adam to finish his... It's the title of this episode. Let's wait for him to finish his American ice cream.

It's American, the version of... American ice cream. My Italian pride. Put it in your Adam's mouth. I mean, because I know it drives him crazy. That's why it doesn't drive me crazy. I see. I'm not jealous just because I can't have any dairy or ice cream.

And you eat it right in front of my face, doesn't mean it. Hey, what was the post you're just showing Justin? Oh, that mean? Yeah, come on, guys. You really want me to get fired up? Oh, we're gonna shoot. Oh, it makes me so angry here. So I didn't, I actually didn't even know this story

So yeah, so I don't know the whole story is an out it just happened There's a video of it video was captured of the whole thing But I guess I forgot what Zua was at a four-year-old Maybe we could pull it up because I want to be accurate about yeah about what's going on I mean facts before I start buzz sign. Yeah, somebody pull this up for me Can I have a pull it my own stuff? We should get a producer. We need to producer, you know, we need we need an assistant And assistant to the chef. He's okay since an ad is you my levels that apparently go all over the place

Okay, so in since the Cincinnati Zoo a four-year-old Okay, so the Cincinnati Zoo, a four-year-old got into the gorilla enclosure. And so a 400-pound Western lowland silverback, which if you're not familiar with your gorillas, this is a big amount of fun. This thing is strong as shit. You ever seen one of these things shave down? Pure muscle, dude.

It's scary. But anyway, the kid was in there and his four-year-old fell in there and the gorilla was videotaped, like it was holding the child, the kid was screaming and then he was like dragging him through the enclosure, which they edited out out of the video because it's kind of disturbing to see, but then you can find online and you can see this gorilla dragging this child around the enclosure. And so the zoo officials were watching very carefully

trying to figure out what to do. Because on the one hand, you have a child that, you know, maybe on endangered. On the other hand, you have a, you know, very expensive and protected animal that you don't want to have to injure or, you know, kill. And there, you know, we got to keep in mind that these are the professionals.

These are the zoo professionals. They're watching this thing and they deemed the gorilla a threat and they had to shoot it to kill it so sadly, you know, an endangered animal was killed However, here's what pisses me off. I'm seeing now All over social media just like every fucking time some shit like this happens. Yeah where people are like There's like visuals for the gorilla

People are fucked up, damn dumb parents, who didn't watch their kid, let their kid fall in the, and they should have tranquilized, and they don't understand anything about wild animals. I mean, when you shoot a tranquilizer at an animal, it takes like three minutes for it to get tranquilized. In the meantime, that motherfucker just got shot. He's holding a kid.

Yeah. Like, as if the lesson for those parents is that their kid dies. Right? Like, what the fuck kind of logic is that their kid dies. Right? Like what the fuck kind of logic is that? Here's the thing, like if anybody who's ever had kids, like what are you gonna do? Keep your, you like, be super glued to your kids.

Kids do shit. Yeah, they like explore and they, you know, they climb on things. It's hard to understand. I don't know what happened. She wanted those like holds them on at least the whole time, you know, and then you're weirdo. Well, here's the thing, I, I don't know what happened. Actually one of those that holds them on at least the whole time, you know, and they're near weirdo. Well, here's the thing, I can, we don't know weirdo.

We don't know what happened. Maybe the parents weren't there, and they left the kids, in that case then definitely, but my kids have gone into shit, and I'm just like, you know, it was like, I took my eyes off of them for 30 seconds. Right. You know what I'm saying?

But all these people pissed off, and you know, saying things like, you know, humans are horrible, and this and that's like, okay, look, I don't like to see a poor animal get killed. Yeah. But fuck, like nobody wants to see that. Let's be on team human. Exactly.

Exactly. You had a big ass. I'm sorry, there's a hierarchy and it like we won. Yeah. And that's why they're in a zoo. Yeah, and I mean, and they're predators. Somebody so hates you for some reason. I know, and they're predators. Somebody so hate you for something. I know, I don't care.

So it's you. No, and the thing is, dude, it's a kid. It's a kid versus a gorilla. I'm sorry, gorilla, you're gone. Yeah, I mean, if that was my kid, I mean, I would have taken the gun and done it. And it's sad, but this gorilla is so strong, it could take me, Adam and Justin can be in that fucking enclosure

and it could rip our arms off the floor of that. While eating a sandwich with the other hand. That's how strong it is. So it's got a four year old, even if it didn't have bad intentions, it could have just, you know, they handle baby gorillas, which are about 85 times stronger than a child, they swing those things around like,

it would have killed the kid easily. The professional saw, you know, the actions of the gorilla deemed it dangerous. So it's sad, but fuck, man Like stop hammering like stop talking shit about people, right? Because you know, yeah, we do stupid shit, but we're people If you have to choose like you should Don't get me right love animals. Yeah, that's a thing like pedal right now, but at the same time dude It's the humans first. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry. I mean, what would you do, that's a thing like pedal right now. But at the same time, dude, it's the humans first. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry.

I mean, what would you do if that was your kid and you saw him in there? Well, the average thing is, I wonder how many of those people even have a child. Well, that's it. All the protesters. That's a very good point. It's a very good point.

What just single people. You can't empathize with it unless you have a kid. You can't even put yourself in those shoes, whereas, you know, somebody that does have a kid or like, you know, you can see that is like, oh my God, there's a kid. I'm running. Even if it's not my kid, I'm jumping in. You know what I mean?

That's crazy. I don't want. Go Rilla versus Gorilla. That would have been a good match. Just them versus Gorilla. Correct. Say this, pull your arms right out your side. It's just rib speech in the 500 pieces. Yeah, but I mean. This was a bad decision. Dude, I don't care, man your arms right out your side. It's just rib speech in the butt. 500 pieces.

Yeah, but I mean, so's a bad decision. Dude, I don't care, man, if you have a dog, if you're best friend, you're puppy or your dog or whatever, and I'm walking with my kid and your dog bites my kid, your dog's gonna get kicked as hard as I could possibly kick your dog. It's just anybody fucks with my kid. I don't care who it is, whether it's a dog

or an old lady, they're fucking with my kid. I don't care who it is, whether it's a dog or an old lady, they're fuckin' with my kid. They're gonna get a boot to the face. We're just gonna make no fans. I think that's gonna be so good. Watch all the ladies. Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I just, I just stepped on the third rail twice. I did. Dogs and fucking old people. I know. Little lilies, everybody has to to like one of those things. Can you chime in here and save us? We're totally going down in flames.

I feel like, I feel like my fun to help. Yeah, right? My name's been the first year trying to game this. There's now we're going to see how fast we can lose like God. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's vegan's old ladies. Papi owners were done. Yeah, we're done.

Sorry. The bottom line is though, it's us versus everybody else, us should always win, right? Yeah, you gotta have anything, everything else. Sorry. It's sad, it's sad, but you know, there's certain things, I mean, we're getting better at a lot of things, animals. Come on, let's be honest here, let's be real.

There's pets in America, a lot of pets in America that have far better lives than a lot of humans do in a lot of countries. I know a lot of dogs that have way more food and comfort than people in third world countries do. So which is fine, that's your pet, you love them, I get it. I'm an animal lover myself, but sometimes you gotta be team human, you know what I'm saying?

At the end of the day. Right, so. All right, well that's our stance, everybody, okay? Let's, let's move forward. Shoot the girl up. Yeah, no, don't say that. No, no, that's too strong. Shh.

Huh? Yeah? Oh shit. Oh, the needle has got pissed off. Did you make a noise this time? It's the motherfucking guaaah! I think we a noise this time? It's the motherfucking qual I think I think we heard of this time when I have an elastol it was no eagle shrieks so loud Yes, notice that the last good it disappeared Doug. We had no eagle. No, we had no eagle. Oh really?

No, oh Are you drinking on the job over there? There's no eagle. it was the stealth the stealth is stealthy. He came in quietly. Yeah I was so busy working on other things Well anyway the silent eagle I didn't even pick up on that. No, there was no, I was listening to it. I'm like, does it sound the same? Oh, you should have let me know.

It's a, I don't like leaving things like that. I sent it, the group text dude. I did, I did. I gotta do that. It's okay. Did you really? That's all pissed off, man. I am pissed off.

He's so crumbed now. I can't let that happen. Yeah, because now you can't change the episode because we brought it up in this episode now Oh, I got to be calculated by how you save me a lot of time actually It's okay that episode to be worth money one day I think upside down airplane. I think there was like a Quad flyby as well It's like the backwards coin like the one that's worth money is the one that's fucking

up. That episode we worth a lot of money, Doug, and you'll think me. Yeah, I look forward to that day. You're so jamming a Doug right now. This is not the stuff that you... That's your boy. Yeah, this is not the stuff that he likes to mess up on right now. I don't know.

I know it's true. Yeah, I know it gets him for sure. It would be like, I guess, like programming is not at all bad. Like totally putting it across like a kipping pull-up and somewhere or something or something like that like a random program. How did that get in there? It's impossible for that to get in there. We would never program that in anything. Hey for first-time listeners What usually happens is an Eagle sound When we do that, you know, the clock. Yeah, there you go That's why I always loved the one that Justin did, you know, because very easy for me to do it. Just I had it

There you go. Oh, all right taking this home. All right moving along all right fit quest mom is asking about the best general nutritional Approach to follow in order to support auto immune conditions interesting. That's a good question Right now there's a lot of science coming out, supporting a ketogenic diet for autoimmune conditions. As a matter of fact, they just published a peer-reviewed study done on mice that showed incredible improvement in multiple sclerosis, which is an autoimmune disease. And I totally speaking, because I do surf a lot of these forums having to do with autoimmune issues.

Number one, because I deal with some very mild ones myself, but number two, because I have family members who have one in particular with Crohn's disease. So this is something that's always an interest to me of interest to me. And anecdotally ketogenic diets seem to work really well for these types of things, and they're not quite sure why. I think maybe it might have to do with the anti-inflammatory effects of some of the ketones, or if because autoimmune disorders may be stemmed

from some kind of metabolic disorder, and so switching the fuel that the body uses to ketones may help. Yeah, as far as like a vegan diet too, maybe like that would have some relevance there as far as the anti-inflammatory effects or. You know, there's, and that's the thing, like we gotta look at.

I think it's more like this. And this is, I hate for us to put ourselves in boxes again. I hate this like a vegan, a ketogenic, or maybe paleo type of way. No, how about this? Like what we do know is like, you know, you probably should stay away from some starchy carbs. You probably should stay away from stuff that's high glycemic. Right.

So you want foods like that hole and that are natural. So higher in fats, for sure, you definitely want to get after your like your fishes and things like that. You know, I think it's more like that. I hate the, I hate things like this where this where somebody wants us to give them a diet. I don't, I hate that. I hate the fact that we've, it's all marketing. Even as big of fans as we are of the ketogenic diet, I'm not a fan of the ketogenic diet.

I'm a fan of eating higher fat supposed to higher carbohydrates. I find that not only does my body run just as efficient as it does on a high carb diet, as it does now that I have a higher fat diet, but I feel healthier. My skin feels better. I notice my things like my psoriasis are suppressed. The inflammation is down.

So I think less of what diet is best for autoimmune, there's certain foods you want to avoid. We just think what closely relates to those like macro breakdowns. Some of these diets do have some of those qualities they present. Well, that's why I brought it up because you both brought up completely different diets but both have great influences on things that like your autoimmune. Well, I think here's the thing too.

You also got to look at food intolerances because food intolerances can be pretty unique to the individual and if I'm, you know, if I'm like, oh, you know, I heard on Mind Pump ketogenic diet, they showed some science that might help on autoimmune disorders, but I have a food intolerance to red meat and chicken

then it's gonna be difficult to do a ketogenic diet without eating those types of things. Or I have an intolerance to, let's say, a popular fat that people in keto will eat, which is coconut. So, that's another thing too, is you wanna identify food intolerances, because they can be anything.

I mean, I've had clients with food intolerances to the healthiest foods, and removing those foods then reduced some of their symptoms because you want to consider an autoimmune literally is your immune system attacking itself or attacking parts of your body, whether it be your gut or whether it's attacking your joints like rheumatoid arthritis or attacking your, like multiple sclerosis. If you're throwing in something that the body has developed a mild allergy to or an intolerance to,

it's just gonna make that immune response, that systemic immune response stronger. So you wanna identify those things, but there's a lot of science now coming out showing that, these auto, this explosion of autoimmune disorders is likely due to the fact that we do not have nearly as diverse of gut microbiomes as we used to, that it's this clean hypothesis

that we've eliminated this diversity. We kill so much bacteria with the things like antibiotics, you know, in our foods, in our water. We take a lot of antibiotics and less diverse pesticides and foods, your artificial sweet, your... Yeah, glyphosets and GMOs. All these things affect bacteria and reducing your diversity has been very, very strongly connected or correlated, I should say, to autoimmune disorders.

And here's what's interesting. You're pretty much your first introduction to bacteria is being born when you're going through the birth canal. And then when you breastfeed and you do all these things with the mom, with your mother. So you inherit quite a bit of your,

what they call your microbiome fingerprint from your mother. Well, if her microbiome is less diverse because of exposure to antibiotics, you know, antibacterial soaps and all these other things, she's going to pass along less diversity to you. You're going to pass on less diversity to your children. And so what they're finding is that through the generations, that diversity is getting worse and worse and worse, which may explain why all of us, like it seems like this ramping up and explosion of autoimmune disorders

where they started really popping up a lot in the late 80s and early 90s. And then it just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse. And part of that may be because they're identifying more of them, but definitely that's not the only reason. So it's an interesting thing. So I would say diversity of food is important.

Avoid foods that are intolerant to staying away from processed foods is probably a good thing. Eating more fats tends to be a good thing, but this can be so different from person to person. It's like you guys are saying so. Yeah. Taylor made 78. Why do some people look bigger but are weaker?

Interesting Adam. Do you want to answer the balloon? I didn't mean it that way That way. That did. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Best jab of all time. Oh my goodness.

I finally get you back for hitting me in the nuts that one day. Well, that's true. I've been holding that. So I, but you know, for sure it is my world, though, man. I mean, if you're gonna see that anywhere, you're gonna see a body builder who looks, you know, impressive, but is not super strong. And it has, it goes reflexes training, you know,

hyper, if you live in the hypertrophy, you know, where you're, you're chasing the pump, which let me tell you in the bodybuilding world, thank you Arnold, you know, has definitely, got everybody focused on that. Everybody focuses on the pump, the pump, the pump, the pump. So you have supplements that are geared towards getting you a better pump and you have supplements that are supposed

to pump nutrients into the pump. You know, like everything's about the pump for body building. And so they get so caught up in the volumizing of the muscle versus actually building strength in it, which it's a different way of phasing and training. So it's actually more common than you would think when you would see somebody, you know, who's got all these big, bubbly muscles and they're not. I'm actually, I'm more impressed when I see a bodybuilder like a Ronnie Coleman, who I see still deadlift, 800-something pounds. Like those type of guys, I see that and I'm like, oh shit, that's impressive to me. You know, because they are not just training

to look all bubbly and stuff like a fill heath looked. So, it makes the body look different. We've talked, Sal talks about this before and it's a tough topic because it's not like we have a bunch of studies to prove what we're saying, but you can. Yeah, super observational in our part. I don't think there's any studies that'll come out and say,

this kind of training made the muscle look this way, and because there's so many genetic and individual factors, I mean, I'm gonna partially disagree with you. Let me tell you why. Definitely the way you train will influence more size versus strength or more strength. Genetics always play the best. That's the biggest one because you're right. You know, muscle size, first of all, let's look most genetic size. Genetics always play the best part. That's the biggest one because you're right.

You know muscle size, first of all, let's look at muscle size. There's a lot of things that make up the size of your muscles. Your muscle fibers is one of them. There's other non-muscle fiber structures within muscle, circle plasm, for example, that'll make up the size of a muscle. And so muscle can look bigger

and I actually have more real muscle inside of it. But all things being equal, there's muscle attachment advantages. If my bicep attaches a little lower on my forearm than someone else's, I'm going to have better leverage to curl. There's central nervous system genes, like some people just can really apply more max force at any given moment than other people can. Now training influences that quite a bit, but genetically speaking,

that's probably the biggest factor. And sometimes I think people are, what they're good at is where they tend to travel and train in. Power lifters probably were good at powerlifting and so that's the direction they went versus bodybuilding. You know, you sometimes you see people cross over,

either way. Well, don't you think too though, that you know, based off of the way that they're training, like say they're going like half reps or they're on machines all the time, they develop and they build a skill for those specific things. So they're really strong at those things, however,

that doesn't translate at all to barbell squad or deadlift or bench press, you know, whereas maybe it is like impressive the size, but the skill set to produce, you know, what we consider, you know, good for a PR on this particular exercise is completely different. Yeah, I'd say, you got a lot of factors that go into why someone may be stronger than someone else, but maybe smaller. And look at, here's the thing too. When you're looking at things like leverage

and attachments and whatever, look at yourself, look at how all of us, most people tend to have like one exercise they're really good at, right? And others that they're not so good at. So, that a lot of that has to do with leverage. Like, I'm really good at pulling. I can pull off the floor, I can roll a lot. But I'm not as good as I am, you know, what comes to pressing.

I'm not nearly as good. Does that mean I'm not a strong person? No, but I'm pretty sure my leverage when it comes to pulling is better because I always train pressing too. It's not like I avoid it. For God's sakes, you know, chest has been a weakness of mine since I started lifting up. Trust me, I never skip, you know, time and opportunity to press. It's just my leverage seems to be better when it comes to pulling. So there's just a lot of these things. I mean, personally, I think if you have the jeans to just be really strong and that have to be big, that's awesome.

I think that's cool. I love nothing more than seeing the kind of, you know, sinewie cut, kind of musk-looking person that's not that big and then watching them lift and they're just lifting an incredible amount of weight. That's just so, I don't know. It just impresses the shit out of me to see. No, I find that very impressive too.

I think it's always neat to see the guy who is totally, doesn't look like the person that would go over and rip off 500 pounds of the floor and it goes and does like it's nothing with good form and clean, you know. Have you seen that dunk competition after the NBA, the playoffs? Yeah, yeah.

Did you see that one guy who was like five foot six or something? No, I didn't see him. Dude. So he jumped over a Shaquille, he jumped right over Shaquille and Neil and dunked and he won the whole thing. Oh my God.

Yeah. Like the last time was like what, Mugsie Boggs. Yeah, he was, Boggs was though like five, three, four maybe. Yeah, I think it was five. I was short. He was really short. But Sp was though like five, three, five, four, maybe. Yeah, I think it was five. I was short. He was really good. But Spod Webb was the other one, but he couldn't dunk.

One of them couldn't dunk. Wow. So, but anyway, the, it's so impressive, but like so genetically gifted, it's ridiculous. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just, it's impressive. And there's, look, and there's also people who, uh, have fantastic it's just, it's impressive. And there's look, and there's also people who have fantastic muscle-building genes, but they may not have great strength genes.

That doesn't mean they're not gonna get stronger, you know, a bigger muscle stronger than a weaker muscle. But I've known guys like this too, who lift weights and they just build muscle and they don't really lift, you know, that much more, you know, they're getting stronger, but it's not like, it doesn't match the amount of muscle that there was one guy I worked with years ago. And I mean, this guy was natural, 19 inch arms. I mean, he just just built ridiculous muscle.

We go workout and I would wipe the floor with him in pretty much any exercise I decided to, but he just, and of course, would talk shit to make myself feel better. But he had those muscle. A lot of times too, it's the guy who's all, he's all hormoneed up too. So if he's on tons of anabolic and he's, you know, got an extra, he's holding a ton of extra water weight in his body. So he looks more impressive and bigger than what he really is. And then he trains like I said, chasing the pump the whole time.

Like it's probably what Taylor is talking about right now is, you know, he's probably seeing other dudes because he's a big guy. He's a big guy. Yeah, he's comparing himself. Yeah, he's somebody else in the gym and it's like, you know what? Yeah, because he's not a small guy. He's a big guy. The other thing too is you got to keep in mind, you don't know what that person's training for.

Because I could be in the gym, training for mobility or training for form, trying to get better range of motion. Maybe it's a trigger session, maybe it's a focus session. Who knows? Maybe I'm just trying particularly training. No, it's such a great, it's someone might look at me and be like, wow, wow, I'm so much strong on them. But you don't know that I'm not trying to lift heavy. So you might not know that.

I bet you, I wonder how many people, because I'm definitely, I was just doing this. Especially when I was doing volume and doing squats like I was not loading the weight on there and like doing all those reps I'm just not used to it so I had to go light you know how light do you go that's a chemicarious be honest don't fucking lie I want to feel better about my work I don't know I don't want to hear you don't worry so long how How long? I was in like 265. Oh, that's still heavy, bro. For how many reps? I think it was like 185 or less, bro.

That's 265 for 12, how many sets? Yeah, just two. Two. So I'll do, if I do, this is what I did today. If I do four, I'll do like two, two 25. Yeah, see that's me. So there's a four, two 25. So I did, so today today so I can front squat

I've my PR's like 315 or maybe a little over that and today I did super set right I did sissy squats to front squats and I haven't done this in a while I haven't done anything over four reps in a little while stupidly so I held a 25 pound plate on my chest Did some real good form deep, you know sissy squatsci squats, 10 reps, had 135 pounds on the bar, 10 reps. I did four sets of that, gasped, pumped. My legs were going to blow up. Fucking rest of the workout was ruined because I was off a teag. 135 pounds. Yeah, I'm saying. And I, and it sucks because it feels light. Like I'm holding it on my shoulders. Like, fuck, yeah.

This is light. Yeah. But my legs are just for I feel you on that completely dude. Oh, 100%. 100%. Damn it. Jake X Walker. What do you think of Guru suggesting heavy strength training being the sole method of muscle building and our anti high rep?

Wow. It's right after what we just talked about. Perfect little segue. Um, first of all, are either one of you familiar with who is putting it out there? He says it's a guru. This isn't like Westside Barbell stuff, right? This is... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Um, they're at the five three one program. I forget who put that one.

I don't know. There's, you know, here's the thing. I've heard the same thing too. And I have, I just haven't addressed it because I don't know who's coming. Exactly. I'm trying to think if, because I have heard some of the lifters in my gym talk about it. But it's funny, man, how the pendulum swings because, you know, you'll see all people saying, oh, you know, you don't need to lift heavy.

Just focus on getting the pump and getting for, you know, good form. And then these other people will come out and say, no, you don't need to lift heavy, just focus on getting the pump and getting good form, and then these other people will come out and say, no, strength training is the way to go. If you're training to be an athlete, you have to train very specific. So if you're a power lifter, then yeah, you gotta train strength training for the most part. But if you're just trying to be more muscular,

more muscle less body fat, if you neglect those rep ranges, you're missing out on another form of adaptation for your muscles. And you're not avoiding plateaus very fucking well if you're doing that. So it would be like, it would be, and it's the opposite.

Look, if all you ever do is high rep stuff and name for the, you know, chase the pump, you are missing out and don't get me wrong. I love strength training. And strength is the foundation for all physical pursuits, but, you know. But you're not stretching out the potential. At all, right?

The potential increases when you are able to then experience a different type of adaptation. You're not gonna experience that and not stretch it out to a new level if you don't take yourself outside of that same level. Well, you know, I know where this theory is coming from because I've read a lot on and you've heard This is why I talk a lot to volume and there is a lot there is a lot of material out there right now that you know explains that this this is the the B all-in All is that vault at the end of the day all the stuff that we talk about three three sets of this five sets of this 15 sets high reps low reps

talk about three sets of this, five sets of this, 15 sets, higher reps, low reps, super setting, but at the end of the day, it really, look at as a gradual volume increase. In progressive overload on volume, and if you're truly doing that, then it all kind of equates out the same to how the body will respond and adapt and continue to grow.

So I've always read that stuff and interpreted it for myself as, it just shows how important this piece is, but some people believe that it's you don't have to leave it. You don't have to go outside of that. You can literally just stay in the five, five rep range and then just keep, you know, just keep on adding progressively overloading with weight slowly, but surely every single week or month or however you can press your body up. So, you know, there is some truth to it.

There is. I mean, I think that's the think that's the part that it's hard to, to make you will see progress, right? I mean, you'll get better at that one skill. Probably what, when you think about it, right? From a program designing, it's probably one of the better, right? It is one of the better ones out there. Like, if I were to pick a rep range that I was gonna,

if you told me like, okay, it's still too dimensional though. Yeah, you're right. It's not three dimensional. No, you're too dimensional though. Yeah, you're right. It's not three dimensional. No, you're right, 100%. 100% you're right. But if you were like, if each one of us were to pick a rep count, that you were gonna take somebody and keep them in,

and you couldn't go anywhere else, what number would you pick and why? I bet our best argument would probably be right around that rep range, wouldn't you think? I think so. Because you're getting close benefits of, yeah. I think so. No,'re getting the close, you're getting close benefits of, yeah, you know, I think so. And you know, though, here's the other thing too. And this is my, my personal personal observation. I don't know if you guys can chime in on this, but certain exercises

lend themselves better to lower reps, strength training and other exercises. Oh, good point. Let themselves better. Very good point right there. You higher rep and body parts, like training, you know, a curl, a dumbbell curl doesn't lend itself as well to singles. Like you rarely ever see me advocating doing one rep of a bicep curl, but deadlifts lend themselves very, very well to singles. And on the vice, on the vice versa, deadlifts do not, are not really a great exercise than high reps. Yeah, let's look at the number of muscles that are involved in those different lifts, right?

Right. If you're putting that much, if you're trying to overload, you know, on a single joint exercise like that, yeah, that, that seems silly to me. It just go back to the volume perspective again, though, too, right? So that one rep of you pulling 500 pounds, your biceps are extremely involved in that movement still. And they're probably getting more stimulation or overall volume in comparison to the one rep that you could, the most you could probably bicep curls, what, 135 maybe one, maybe 155. I mean, no, probably not. So let's say, yeah,

probably not. But I mean, even if you, even if you could, right, with good strict form, so like that, that one deadlift is probably doing you more gains or more growth in that bicep croak hood. So, and that's comparing a one to one, but that's all relative. When you talk about, you don't ever go deadlift for one time, for one rep, you do five sets of singles. I think of the total volume that the bicep

is actually getting right there and comparison to what you would be doing. It's interesting too, because I've actually heard the argument. I don't know if it was povl, but somebody made the argument that you should never really do more than five reps, because your body is never going to be as effective after that. So he was saying that in terms of strength, of course, but he was saying that anything more than five reps, at that's, you know, at that point, like, what are you doing? He doesn't advocate some of the higher rep kettlebell movements, like swings and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, for swings. So he must have just been talking about. Exactly.

See, that's my point. Yeah, exactly. That's my point. Like, I found that when I do, there's certain exercises that look, look, if you deadlift, and you're going over 15 reps, it's not a good use of a deadlift, it just isn't. Deadlifts do very well at the low rep range, and they don't do very well at the high rep range. Yeah, but right there, they'll stop here, right there, because I feel like why that's so important is wouldn't you agree that it's primarily all

because of the CNS? It is, and it's also because when you fatigue in a big gross motor movement like that Things start to like a deadlift your four whole body fails a little shut off It not only that but there's okay There's a really fine line between a safe and effective deadlift and a very Unsafe dangerous deadlift and the way you move from one to the other is you get fatigue like you you fatigue yourself with reps You can start you can still pull the weight off the floor, but your form starts to go off and then your

injury potential goes up high. A squat on the other hand, you can do high reps with a squat if you've got really good form, if you get really, really tight with it. It's just some exercises work well with higher reps and others don't. Like cable exercises, I don't think it'd be smart to go use cables and go one, two, three reps with cables. It just doesn't lend itself well. It would be funny, right?

I'm gonna do it one day. One arm, cable, rope. I'm gonna do it one day. I want to do it one day. One arm, cable, rope. I'm gonna do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day.

I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. I want to do it one day. because exercises tend to work, some exercises work better in certain tempos too.

Yeah. Like some should be done faster than others. Somebody, Well, this lends it back to that whole thing about like, well, how hard is it to really program for your workouts and all that? Oh my God, it's so complex. Like we're just mentioning a whole nother dimension to it

that we didn't even explain when we were answering somebody's question about it a long time ago. But we think about all those things. People, people have been asking us, how do you, how do you program? Like, how do you program routines for people? There's very basic ways to program. But then when you got, guys like us that go into it, we go into it. Like, I guess the best explanation, it sounds, this is gonna sound totally like self-absorbed in pompous, but it's like an artist.

It's like asking artists. You don't wanna give the goodwill hunting. Yeah, it's like asking an artist, hey, how did you just make that masterpiece like explaining me like breakdown the steps that it took to do that? And it's like, I can't, I just kind of did it. If I try to break down all the factors that go into exercise programming,

there's so many of them. And what we're just talking about is one of them, like, some exercises do better at certain tempos and speeds than others. And some exercises need to are better performed with heavier weight and others with lighter weight. And that's why we'll put certain exercises at different phases and put them in the certain order and also. Now plug in a different person entirely that's why we'll put certain exercises at different phases and put them in a certain order. Now plug in a different person entirely that's going through this program and experiencing it.

We're talking about that person as they're going through it. Oh no, this kind of person wouldn't do well with the combo of this right after this. So you have to consider like so much shit a lot. Well then, we sound like asshole. No, I'm just, we sound like, no, we're not gonna be in perspective. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sound like asshole. No, I'm just, we sound like, no, we're not gonna get to tell you. It's kind of a perspective. No, I think we can't explain it.

I think that's why it's so complex. It's in experience. We've tried it. We've tried it a few times, and I think we, I thought we did a decent job, dude, I think people just wanted more, and I think it's okay. I think this is more.

I think the more and more you listen to mine pump, the more and more, I think you, you start to understand that in a sense, everything we talk, anytime we're talking about retraining, right? Other aside from nutrition, right? Well, if we're just talking, besides nutrition and more, I think you start to understand that. In a sense, everything we talk, anytime we're talking about retraining, right? Other aside from nutrition, right? We're just talking about besides nutrition and supplements. When we're talking about program design, lifting weights, stuff like that, we're always kind of explaining it

indirectly. You know what I'm saying? That's in the more you listen, the more I guess you'll piece together because the next step is to understand that we've talked about the combined of all of us have trained thousands of people. So, it's also about understanding the majority, you know, that I feel like that. Yeah, we understand where most people are going to respond.

Yeah, we're always trying to speak to the majority, not the minority, which in my opinion, the fitness industry does the opposite. They're always trying to speak to the minority, you know, the few super humans out there that are going to respond this way, you got to do this and you got to train this way. And the few that do, they're like, they're all fit in this very, very small little category of people and when in reality, most people are your average Joe or Jane

that just want to feel better, look better, like perform better. Or they completely patronize you and are like, well, you know, I'm just glad you got out of the house today. And here's a program where you just dance move. I'm just gonna dance move. And I'm gonna get the gains. Yeah.

I mean, when I look at through my eyes as an experienced trainer, when I look at programs, I can completely tell that they're, like you're saying, Adam, they are catering to people like themselves who make up less than 1% of the population. Because I look at some of these workouts, I'm like, I don't know anybody that will respond well to this type of routine, aside from the calorie burn,

there's no rhyme or rhythm that goes into how they've designed the routine, but it's all based on intensity and volume. Well, exactly, and that's, in the reason why it's so easy for us to call it out or see it, so for me, I used to write programs like this. When I was a trainer and I first started, it was the way we programmed design back then,

it shouldn't even be call programs either. The way we wrote workouts back then is just like CrossFit does the wads. You know, that's how I feel like that's, I was that bad of a trainer, which is also probably why Justin and I are so passionate about being anti-crossfit because we probably, we probably caught ourselves even doing that ourselves when we first started because it was, when you're in it and you're in the world of trainers and working with each other and training clients, it turns into this competition who can put clients through the most grueling workouts, the most challenging or the most unique.

What are you doing over there that's so different than everybody else? And so you were always challenging yourself on new movements and different stuff and that, you know, and that's how you put the, oh, check this out. I'm going to put this. We're going to the other. She's probably never done this before. Oh, wow. When I put this to this, she's going to feel the murder.

She's going to, oh, she's going to be sore for sure from this. And then I'm going to add this to that and, oh, God, yeah, wait. Here's what I'm saying. Like, that's how you programmed this. There gonna be sore for sure from this. And then I'm gonna add this to that and, oh God, yeah, wait. Here's what I'm saying, that's how you program to serve the blackout. I'm gonna throw up. Here's what it went into my program design back then. Oh, I did this combo of exercises and it kicked my ass. That's definitely going into a workout that I'm gonna program.

So I know that this is hard, just like Adam said. But here's the factors that I used to factor in. We're gonna work chest. Let me pick four chest exercises. We're gonna work chest. Let me pick four chest exercises. We're gonna do biceps. I know four bicep exercises. Like it was all about, I knew exercises that worked that body part.

And I'd pick my favorites, throw them in. I had some- Roses the body parts around. That's it. You hit them all. That's it. And I had some semblance of understanding that I should probably do compound movements before doing isolation movements.

And that's pretty much it. That's where the program design stops with 99% of the programs out there. By the way, look, if you're listening, you're like, I want to know how to, you know, work out and have good program design. We have a, the maps super bundle available, mindpumpmedia.com. It's nine months of expert programming that me, Adam, and Justin put together. So you follow maps andabolic maps performance and maps aesthetic. And it's nine months at the end of it. You, you see what happens when you've, you've, you've, you've, and Justin put together. So you follow Maps and Obolic, Maps Performance and Maps aesthetic, and it's nine months at the end of it.

You see what happens when you've followed expert programming. Cassidy H626, at the Mind Pump Academy, what subjects are each of you teaching? So unique, I love her questions. Well, I love the fact that she's on the MindPublic Academy theme because I truly, like, that's like where heads have been at.

It is. I look at the on-it academy and I totally fantasize. Like, I want that. I want exactly that, but I want it to be the MindPublic Academy. I don't know if that's what we name it or whatever, but I really want a facility like that and we promote other minds in the industry that are promoting good health and fitness and wellness

and bringing together a large community of other people like ourselves that are professionals that are trying to move the industry in this direction in a cool spot. Like I just, I think that would be dope. It's far as teaching. I don't know if I have any business teaching. I don't know.

I don't know. It's a Taze Cleiser dream. Tango. I don't know if I have any business teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I have any business teaching. I don't know if I have any business teaching. I don't know if I have any business teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching.

I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching.

I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. I don't know if I should be teaching. If I'm thinking it's a mind pump academy, there's definitely a lot of it's gonna be geared towards teaching fitness professionals, right? Teaching personal trainers. I would love to teach management classes

and management leadership and sales classes. I think that's where I'd have the most fun. Both of you guys would rock at that. For sure. Just teaching them how to do it. It'd be fun to watch everybody get all pumped and roused up and then out into the world and selling millions of sh-

fucking everything for us. Yeah, he said for us. I said for us. Oh, whoops. No, I think for me, I would love to teach any kind of sports-related type of training or some kind of protocol. I would love to get my grips in with other coaches and then have them implement sound,

write programming for their sports teams. I feel like that's a whole nother avenue that we haven't really addressed specifically yet. I would have a lot of fun with that because you'd be able to see all these kids really benefit from it and a lot less injuries and all these kinds of things that motivate me that I'd determine a good program if the team is healthy and performing at its highest capacity.

So anything related to that are just like, how about biomechanics? So I think you're in the habit. That would be just, Justin would do all that for us. For sure. He'd be the exercise, he'd teach them all exercises like, exercises and, you know, technique and program design.

You know, I, yeah, when I'm listening. Me and Adam would be like, sales class one. So, you know, I'm listening to you guys talk, and I actually, the more I think about it, I actually, I mean, maybe why it was grow. Well, sales online. I would love to teach the online portion of it because like, that's really what I thrived in,

but, you know. You got excited. I'm like, I'm gonna go from this angle. You just got so excited. Adam was talking like, oh yeah. Sales online. Sorry. Sales online.

Yes. I forgot to say that. You know what? I actually, I was starting to say about. It's calling me out. How we, I mean, how I really want to bring people, I don't know, I feel like we spent a lot of time talking in the show. I've talked to a lot of people.

I've trained a lot of trainers. It's still meant to wear a lot of trainers. I would love to put the right people in place and sit back and actually watch it. I actually enjoy that piece. I would like to help orchestrate this beautiful academy of brilliant minds, much more brilliant on that. Minds much more brilliant than mine. I mean, I'm definitely,

if you, my success in entrepreneurship has a lot to do with the whole Henry Ford approach. I've always had a talent, but I've always had it even greater talent to put those that are even more talented than myself around me and surround myself around those people. And that's, and that's, comes, goes back to what I've told people a lot too. A part of success, I believe you have to have this bit of cockiness to you with this unbelievable amount of humility that goes right along with it,

which is an unbelievable juggle that you must have. But I think in order to do things like that, where you lead even greater amounts of people, you have to be willing to let go of some things. And I think I would be able to let go of wanting my hands and control of everything of our academy. And I would love to just bring other brilliant minds in and help foster them. And that's how I would want to teach leadership.

Like Sal talks about teaching leadership and stuff. You know, one thing I've learned in it for the many years that we've been in fitness already is that, you know, I'll get somebody who's just fucking brilliant. And we'll talk about, you know, functional mobility since that's been like my world that I've been in and reading a lot of gurus. But they typically have, they don't have the greatest personalities. Or they don't have the greatest communication skills, but they have this brilliant mind,

you know, but their social skills just aren't there. So I know it takes another, I know it takes somebody with some serious talent to be able to put a bunch of people like that in a room and get them all to work together and to do what they do well, you know. And I've always been able to get that out of my people is to get the past out of them. So I feel like if I brought the right people in those places, I would want to roll like that where I'm. So you'd be our recruiter?

Yeah, maybe a recruiter and like overseeing a lot of the what's going on and making sure that it's running smoothly. That's, I don't know. I can totally see that. I can see that totally. Yeah, I think you make good points. So I think that initially like will sort of be like the set up, the framework for all that's right.

But I definitely like like for growth, like 100%, like there's people that know so much more about, you know, mobility or like sports performance or all these different, like I could bring in and just be stoked that they were teaching our community or being a part of our community and then helping everybody to accelerate, like a better message.

It'd be cool to take the classes right along. Absolutely. For me to learn. Yeah. I would love, I've always thought of doing like a motivational class. I would love to do that. I'd want one of those headsets like the Tony Robbins one, you know, that comes down here by my, like,

Britney Spears, and just, I want a big stage and I want to just fucking run across the stage and get everybody excited. I'll be your hype guy. I'll do all the, the cartwheels. Yeah, everybody go. Just get them all crazy. Well, if I just motivated you, please go to iTunes and leave us a five star rating review.

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