Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 336: The Benefits Of Fasting

Episode Date: July 28, 2016

Fasting can help you lose body fat, speed up your metabolism, lower blood sugar levels, reduce inflammation, increase your "youth hormone" and more. In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin discuss the ins and outs of fasting. Get MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic and the Butt Builder Blueprint (The RGB Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get your Kimera Koffee, Mind Pump's first official sponsor, at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts!

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. All right, so today, on today's episode, the boys and I, we got into, we just somehow found our way into fasting and talking about- Quite the discussion. Yeah, and one of the things that I think is important because I know a lot of people they hear information like that then right away They just start incorporating it or want to try and do it or oh, I heard a mind pump. So I hear it's healthy. It's good

We created a guide for that and it's got six different ways of fasting it It includes how a salm I and Justin, how we utilize fasting ourselves personally. But even before that, like I don't like to give people advice on fasting until they really have a good foundation with nutrition because I think that's so important is to learn to learn the foundation of that, how you should be eating from what food groups, figuring out what your body needs first, nutrient-wise, then you incorporate an advanced technique like that and see the huge benefits from it.

So I wanted to put something together with... Well, it's before you even say that. It's important to know, fasting is an effective technique, but it will not fix poor eating. It will not fix a poor relationship with food. It will not fix eating things relationship with food, it will not fix eating things that are not good for you. We're doing this just because we want to make sure that if people are going to incorporate fasting, that they also have information on how to eat properly as well.

That's what Adam is leading into. Not just fist and fitness. We're trying to also make sure we're always incorporating a healthy approach to the way that you're changing and leaning out your body and looking at performance for your body. We have a nutrition survival guide, which is a general guide on proper eating.

We have our fasting guide, which like Adam was saying, breaks down how to fast properly, because there is a right way to do it, and there's a wrong way to do it. And here's what we've done. Normally, if you purchase those separately, it's $74. We're going to put them together and what we're calling the nutrition fasting bundle, and we're knocking the price down for both of them, over 20% off.

So it's only $57. $57, you get both the nutrition survival guide and the fasting guide. So it's going to teach you proper eating, but it's also going to teach you how to fast properly. You can get them both together at mindpumpmedia.com. Again, it's called the nutrition fasting bundle mindpumpmedia.com. Hope you guys enjoy the episode. What happened your mind here? I feel like when I'm not here, sound fucks with it. It's not me, Dick. It's Justin recorded something earlier. Oh, yeah, on this side, I didn't fuck with your mind shit. All crooked. I don't want to get a crooked

dick. You guys have smelly, uh, wait a minute, you have a crooked dick? Things or you feel like you have a crooked mind. I don't, you know, you know, so a lot of people, you have a hook dick. No, I don't have a hook dick, but I have a curve. Mine hangs the left. That fuck is the different of the hard. No, a hook goes to the right or left. The curve goes up and hits the G spot. Oh, I like how you pointed that out.

Oh, yeah. It's curve one. It's beneficial. Yeah, it's curve one. Yeah, it's curve one. Right, C. No, it's an evolutionary advantage. Hmm.

I would see, that would be pretty good actually. Mine does, mine's just pretty straight. I think it's more from how often you tug it in one direction. No, well, that's the way it kind of forms into that side. But there's a difference there. That's how you think it happens. You think that's what happens. Of course, it's frequency, bro. There's yours go to the right. No, mine's straight.

No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about the actual shaft. I'm talking about the base will direct it a little bit in one direction or the other. That's what I say. Mine's pretty fucking straight. Yeah, but I've also been so happy with it. I'm not talking about the actual shaft. I'm talking about the base will direct it a little bit in one direction to the other. That's not true, mine's pretty fucking straight.

See, but I've also been somebody who, I guess you got your pants on the double pump it. You see, you got your pants on right now. Let's say you pop a boner like you usually do when you're talking to me. Where did it go to the right or to the left or on your pants? Right to the belt loop.

It goes to the right. It didn't go straight up because that'd be weird. That would be weird. It goes my belt. It could do that. No, it doesn't. You get a boner, you let it go straight up like that'd be weird. It would be weird. It goes my Can do that. No, it doesn't you get a boner You let it go straight up like that poke out your pants right to my boss. It's really yeah, you let it poke out Yeah, I don't get weird boners throughout the day anymore You at all no you never eat a boner throughout the day. No, I don't maybe maybe when I'm home

That's what I'm only playing with myself at that point You know I'm saying like it's not something that happens like I weird? Am I the only one that gets boners? Yeah, you're the only one that you do and yeah, I don't get midday boners. I'll get them sometimes. See, Justin's with me. It's like don't mess with testosterone when you're younger. Yeah, that's the story of this moral of this story. It broke your dick. Yeah, dude. Just a it doesn't it doesn't work the same way I did when I was seven. When I'm 17, the fucking wind blew, bro. I just think about something and I be oh god in

bearers to have to tuck it in your underwear. That doesn't happen. No, there's nothing more. So if I got a bunch of money and just threw it on your face, you wouldn't buy. Oh, well, if there was anything that would do it, it would probably be that. Okay, yeah.

So I just think, I just think you just, yeah. You see that weird finish for money. You see that, we're flooded in and dated with so much stimulus, yes, stimulus and nudity and shit. Yeah, but you don't even look at porn. I don't right. I don't It's not even what does it from it's like these random things just walking down the street It's like see Justin you got a lot of testosterone You tell he's got a lot to stop I know look at his face right now part of that too. I feel like what do you mean? Courtney take does the takeaway on him. You know, I'm saying like so of course

He's looking for it whenever he can, you know Did you notice that girl wears me down dude? I'm just like time out time out. Yeah, she's smart I wish I could deny that she breaks it on purpose. Oh, yeah There's been there's been more plenty of times where I look at her and I'm like no, I'm fucking sore man Leave me alone. It's a sore. Give me a day look at her and I'm like, no, I'm fucking sore, man, leave me alone. It's a sore. Give me a day off, please. I'm chafing.

Hey, speaking of it, why are your quads all chafed up? What's going on? Oh my God, you noticed that, huh? Yeah. Oh shit, look at that. What is that? Sunburn? Yeah, dude, I got sunburn real bad when I was at the lake.

You need to stop doing that. Every time you go in the sun, bro. You burn the shit out of yourself. Listen to me, the rest of my body was fine. I was fine. I got the same amount of sun. It's just that my knees haven't seen the sun in probably like a year.

It looks like a snake over there. I mean, I do, bro. It's straight up like a guana stand. How high does it go there? You can probably peel it off and eat it like frosted flakes. How high? How gross. Don't say that. How high does it go there? You can probably like peel it off and eat it like frosted flakes. How, how, how gross. Don't say that. How high does it go?

Just this high, dude. Just, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let me have a last of the light. Oh, look at that light. Yeah, awesome line. Maybe I'll take a picture for everybody. You're pretty white.

I know that. Yeah. I don't deny that. It's clear. I wonder who can get, I wonder transparent. I think I could get darker than anybody in this room. Of course you could. You don't think I could get darker than you. No, no don't deny that's clear. I wonder who could get, I wonder transparent. I think I could get darker than anybody in this room. Of course you could. You don't think I could get darker than you.

No, no, no, no. Right now, I think I'm the palest, widest in my life, just because we were in the dark. I don't think you could get darker than me. I'll show you some pictures when I was a kid. They thought I was black. Bro, bro. They were all certain I was a black kid.

Bro, I look, I, in the summer, if I go to Italy or whatever, I come back and I literally look Ethiopian. Well, not skinny, but dark. Like, no. I don't know why I picked that. Not me at all. I don't have that. But I get really, really, really, really dark.

But you have Mexican in you. Yeah. That's your dark side, right? I have some Italian in me too, bro. Just a little bit. It's a sprinkle, but between the two of them, I like it. Want some more?

No, I don't. You want some more? More than enough. Yeah, no, I get. I close as I had was like more freckles. You know, he just like had so many freckles, I almost looked tan. He was like amazing. You, my best friend, have the exact same like, he's like, I only have two colors, red and white.

Yeah, yeah, red or white, that's a hard one. America, you are that candy cane girl. I'm glad you drink a lot of coffee then, Justin, because caffeine and coffee, actually coffee itself has been shown to reduce the risk of skin cancer. Hell yeah. See skin cancer what I was doing.

And liver cancer, people who drink a lot of coffee. Now that Kaira's got us all set up, I thought that I see Justin sucking it down like crazy. I am slurping it. Dude, I had some, so check this out. I had some last night, a little later than I normally do. Night time coffee? It wasn't late.

It was like six o'clock. Yeah. Anything to me, anything after five with caffeine is not a good idea. And it's the cutoff for me. Well, I slept okay. I went to bed at 11. I slept okay, but I took it because I've been incorporating 24 hour fast

now twice a week, I just started incorporating those. Every single time, every time I do that, I forget how awesome it is, I can forget the awesome effects, and the effects that I get from it don't really kick in until about, so for me a 24 hour fast is, I don't eat till about eight or nine o'clock at night, because that's usually when I eat the night before, right? So it's 24 hours. Right around three or four o'clock is when I start to notice the effects, you know what I mean? I start to get like the anti-inflammatory effects,

so I was a little stiff. That started going away. I started getting, I noticed I get really clear with my clarity. It's weird. And I always put that same response. Do you really? Do you notice your put that same response. Do you really? Do you notice your vision gets more sharp?

Do you do? Yeah, that's a very efficient sharp. Yeah, no, I don't know, it's weird. Everything's sort of just like aligns and it just helps you like focus. It's really weird. I went outside and I was just looking at the trees and I'm like, man, they look really defined right now.

Almost like, you know that filter on Instagram that you can do is sharpen and you can make a picture. That's almost what it seems like when I look outside. It's very strange. How are you, is today one of your fasted days? No, it's so, so, so, too, why? Because I wanted, this is what I want to do the next time and when you, so you're, when's your next one?

Well, I'm, I'm fasted now. I'm not going to tell two or two or three today, but my 24 hour faster on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I want to take you over and while you're in your fast, when you feel that around that three o'clock range, let's go over and do the cryo. I want to take you over to the cryo because I want you to feel what that feels like and the endorphin rush that you get from that and how amazing. I'll just my jesus pants with the combination of the chimeric and fasted.

Well, that's two that together. You mean in the same one? You might see into the future. Like, I's too big. We'll let you do that together. What would that do? You mean in the same one? You might see into the future. Like, I'll fast with you. I want to do that just, I did cryo again yesterday. You won't see it naked again. See how he does this? Well, no, this is where we talk about this.

We always talk about how we are such better trainers for other people than ourselves. Yep. Like I'm such a huge advocate of cryotherapy. Yet, I wait until I'm like in fucking chronic pain before I go there and I just can't move and I'm like I still haven't done it and I've been wanting to do. You were made for it Justin. You were made for cold weather. We'll go right to this. It's right around the corner from us. Yeah, let's do it. Well, here I'll take you right after

we're down. I need to go anyway. Sweet. Here's the thing that I so I always notice these little things and I tend to forget them. But one of the things I notice too when I do like a fast, that's longer than like 18, 19 hours, is reduction in inflammation. I just commented that on that earlier, but it's pretty crazy. Like, I was stiff and sore in my elbows because the day before I had done some really, really heavy pulling. And, you know, when I rotate, when I super name, pruning in my hand or I flex my elbow, I can feel in the joint. It's a little sore and it feels like the breakie Alice

But it's probably the what's that muscle you pulled the pro-nader terrorist Prinader's okay by about five o'clock. I was kind of stretching and moving and I was like holy shit I don't I don't feel the pain anymore and I know that ketones are anti-inflammatory so I bought some keto strips. And I flirt with ketosis now. I was in it pretty heavily for a little while, but now I let myself go in and out to promote metabolic flexibility.

But when I'm fasting for 24 hours, I'm pretty sure I get into ketosis pretty heavy. And sure enough, I peed on the stick and I was moderate ketones or whatever that level says. And the inflammation was gone. So I'm wondering if that's what caused it or if there's some if it's some of the other effects of the fasting that we're causing that You're still using those strips that don't work. I had them saved. I had them saved and I just Forch it's just pulled it out and peed on it. Yeah They definitely change because I noticed they I've obviously I've seen myself all over the spectrum on that thing But after I read all up on it and I found out that it just doesn't really. It just means you have excess ketones coming out of urine.

Yeah. Because I guess you can use them all up and then the ketone strips won't show. Yeah, and then it doesn't show, it's not showing what's in your blood. The blood ketones, which is what really matters when you're talking about going into ketosis. So that's why, kind of, okay,

I guess I'll throw these away. Yeah, but I mean, I almost, it's almost like I forget the benefits of fasting because I'll not necessarily stop doing it. I never really be breakfast, but I forget the benefits of a lengthy fast. Like a longer one, yeah. Yeah, and then when I do it again,

every single time I do it, I always blow my mind like, wow, I feel so fucking good. Well, everybody on the, it's been like, everyone's on the kick on the forum right now, right? We've had a lot of people on the forum pushing 24 and 48 hour fast. I've never done a 48 hour one. I've been the longest on the kick on the forum right now, right? We've had a lot of people on the forum pushing 24 and 48 hour fast. I've never done a 48 hour one.

I've been on the 48, yeah. You have. The longest I've ever done is 24. So what's that like? Was that, do you find, because I noticed with the 24 one, you would think that my appetite would be high. But by the end of the night, I could not eat if I wanted to. Well, it depends because when I first did it was tough.

Like the first day was the, was more tough than the second day, I think, is because my body was more shocking to me, but now that I've experimented with it more, I feel like it really isn't that challenging. It's just more of like, okay, this is what I'm doing. So initially, you just start to kind of lengthen it out as long as you're hydrating, I don't do it without hydrating a bunch. Of course, but you just sort of

get into that mode. It's a different mode. It's a different different operating systems. Now do you notice a change from like the Bennett, like how you feel from 24 to 48? Or is it just like an extension of the 24? And it's an extension, it starts to get a little bit... I would feel it rough. Yeah, I would the end of it. I would think you would really start

to feel yourself leaning out. Cause at that point, you were full on metabolizing fat. Oh, insulin is gone. Yeah, you roll four moons up, you're burning fat. Yeah, I would, it's like the growling, all that, like response that makes you like real hungry and like want, I feel like that like dampens a lot You know like what you make it to that first bad one

I just like what you make gone once you break through that first like oh Yeah, I'm like growling. I don't know. I'm gonna be able to do this once you can a break through that Then I feel like it totally gets suppressed and it's a lot easier But that first I feel like that first initial feeling that you get is always fine. I actually get an energy spike, not that I think of it, yeah. Especially the second day, I get a big energy spike. That's what shocks me the most about it each time

is because like I said, I don't eat tons of meals throughout the day anyway. I usually, well, my first meal is usually, you know, one or two o'clock anyway, but when I do the lengthy one, I forget the energy effects. I thought I felt good anyway, and then doing that all of a sudden I have like much more energy. The challenge with it is getting enough calories, which is why I'm only doing it twice a week now. I just so happen to be

kind of in a getting lean mode right now anyway, and I'm getting pretty close to the leanest that I usually allow myself to get. So that's the only challenge. The only challenge I can find is if you're a big, a bigger dude with more muscle, you do it 24 hour fast. It's hard to eat more than a couple thousand calories. You know what I mean? I had a decent size meal last night.

It was nine o'clock at night. And I'm pretty sure my calories were under, I was probably 1500 calories 16 at the most. So what I do on, you know, Monday's Wednesdays and Fridays is I tend to, you know, try to compensate a little bit so I have my higher calorie days. But that would be the challenge I could see. But the energy is just, it always kind of blows me away. It's this really focused kind of... Well, it takes me, like, so when I go into, like, a workout and I'm fasted,

I don't feel like going into the workout. Like I have this huge spike. It's like, once I need to get like a setter to underneath me and almost break that first sweat, and then I feel this like, oh shit, I'm surprised on how I feel. Like a part of me is not really excited to go into the gym when I'm fasted.

I'm kind of like, I'm tired. I'm kind of down a little bit right now. Then once I start working out, I notice that's the extreme. I notice right there heading into it. I don't feel any sort of major energy spike, but once I start working out, I notice that's the extreme. I notice right there heading into it. I don't feel any sort of major energies bite, but once I start lifting the weights, I'm forward by how I was feeling an hour before that

and how I'm now feeling, and then going forward after that. The other things I noticed is a couple of things. One is just how sensitive I become to supplements. So if I take, if I take caffeine, or if I drink coffee while I'm fasted, we'd ball. Uh, whatever. Exactly.

You gotta be careful. We ball. Thank you, Kiva. Watch out. I hope they sponsor us one day. You know, how many how many of the products we buy, but no, it hits me harder and faster. Um, and then the other thing I notice is when I do finally eat, um, I get this crazy vasodilation effect. like I'll eat,

and then my veins and my arms will just start coming out, and I'm like, whoa, what the fuck just happened? It's really apparent. This is why, and we can, you guys can disclaim after I say this, because I know it's not a healthy thing to teach people to do, but heading into Vegas, or like a weekend where you know you're gonna party, and you're gonna drink, and you're gonna do things like that.

I love to lead into it with a huge fast. I fast all the way up until I know I'm gonna be cracking my first drink. So you can save some money. Well yeah, and I mean, okay, let's be real. And it's less alcohol. Yeah, that's what I mean. You're going to Vegas,

or you're going somewhere like that, where you're gonna party, you're gonna drink, you know, you're going to a boat party, whatever, right that, where you're gonna party, you're gonna drink, you know, you're gonna go to a boat party, whatever, right? You know you're gonna be doing some shit, so why not let that be the first thing that hits you? You're gonna have a buzz after the first drink. Well, that's the first drink. Here's a disclaimer, if you do do that,

your tolerance is way down, like you said. So don't be like, oh, I'm gonna, I'm fast, I'm gonna go drink a couple drinks because you'll get sick real fast. Yeah, the idea is you do way less. That's what's awesome. And you get the same benefit, right? If you like that, I wanna get drunk,

and I wanna get tipsy, or even I just wanna get a buzz, well guess what? If it normally takes you two to four beers or four drinks to get a nice buzz on or what, that try one, you know. What, one beer faster for me and I got a nice little buzz.

Oh, yeah. Just one. Absolutely. So, so I had a little bit of a thought, you know, I was thinking about this whole process because like I said, I hadn't done a 24-hour fast in a little while, and now I'm doing them again. And it's interesting.

I've read some articles about how fasting for some people might not be a good idea, and of course, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. And then I was reading an article on how, when they were testing animals, I forgot which animal that was mice. And they found that when they were fast the mice, I feel like it's always mice. It's never anything else. I was mice and then I went out of here. I want to hear a stick. I'm almost on a reindeer.

I'm almost on a reindeer. I'm almost positive. They did it on that they tested this on humans too. But nonetheless nonetheless they find that the when you're in a fasted state your body It wants to kill old cells in your body. So the cells that have been around for a little while in particular Immune cells that have been around for a little while that are a little older That have a higher chance of mutating that aren't functioning quite as well. They tend to die off So fasting kills the old cells. It shuttles everything out. And then it promotes the, it encourages the growth of new cells.

And so they found in Mouth and Mice that a three day fast, I think, completely replaced, they estimated completely replaced their immune system. Wow. So this is good for, this is cool for a few different reasons. One, for people with autoimmune disorders, mark my words. You are going to see fasting become a protocol for people with autoimmune disorders because autoimmune disorders are by nature their immune system or your immune system attacking itself. Now, I know for me, I suffer from some mild autoimmune issues and fasting is just, it's amazing for that.

And I know other people with things like rheumatoid arthritis who fast and find that their inflammation and pain goes down dramatically. Because it, again, it encourages the death of these kind of old and tired cells. Of course, doing it too often can be kind of bad for the body. And so I started to think about comparing fasting to exercise. So what I mean to think about comparing fasting to exercise.

So what I mean by that is fasting is, in essence, a stress on the body. It is, right? It's a mild stress on the body, and it causes your body to improve sharpen and adapt in a way that's beneficial. Can you overdo fasting, like you can overdo exercise? Of course.

Absolutely. Can there be individual variances in terms of who can handle longer and more in a harder fast? 100%. Yes. So when I put it in that context, it makes perfect sense, right? When you start to think about it that way, because if I have a woman whose obese, whose got severe metabolic damage from hardcore dieting and this and that, hitting her with

a hard, you know, five, you know, you're going to fast for 18 hours a day every single day. It's probably going to be too much and it probably won't benefit her, but doing a small fast every once in a while will definitely probably have a benefit. And then you have someone like myself who can fast more regularly. This is like a conversation I just had with my father actually, because when the most challenging things ever is for me to address any sort of nutritional advice with him, because it's just like this,

you're battling decades and decades of just poor choices and propaganda and scarcity and, you know, like looking for like cheaper food versus like quality food, like there's all kinds of stuff. So the only thing that I've found success with so far are just basically to really narrow it down to the most essential thing that could be a simple thing for him to follow is to start doing

little bits of meal skipping. And so that could be breakfast, you know, that could be lunch, it could be, you know, a normal, he would take a snack, like in the middle of the day or whatever, and like, eat all these nuts or, you know, some ice cream or whatever the crap is that he puts in his face and like, look, you know, stop doing that for this day, like, you got to sort of designate like one of these meals a day, and then we'll gradually do like two days a week. We'll do that.

And then it's like this ramp up process of like, I'm just sort of like figuring this out where I don't need to shuttle in food constantly. And I'm starting to train my brain to kind of get into that mode. Now did he, it has you been doing it? Yeah. And you lost like 10 pounds.

Really? Yeah, within the first, you know, a month and a half. did he, it has he been doing it? Yeah. He lost like, he lost like 10 pounds. Really? Yeah. Well, then the first, you know, a month and a half. You know, it wasn't that long ago. It wasn't, it wasn't that long ago at all. Maybe 10 years ago, or if, if I said on a podcast, skip a meal, I'd be, you know, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be,

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I'd be a austrosite. I'd be a austrosite. I'd be a it's like, well, make sure we get this in there and make sure we get enough of this and make sure we get, when it's like, dude, that's not the problem with America. We get enough of everything. We're an overfed. Yeah, we're, oh, we overeat everything. So it's very, very rare. And I say that in an overgeneralization because of course, there's exceptions to the rules. Of course, there is. But, you know, we talk about the thousands of clients, each of us have trained. I mean, 99% of those people are on the side of over consumption and including meal skipping or some sort of a fasting into their routine,

I think is phenomenal. But I think there's an important point to make about the strategy to that and not simply just going in and like, oh, I heard a mind pump, I should skip meals. There's a right way to do it. Just like anything. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, now I'm cool. Nothing will, first of all, you can't get around the fact that you have to be in a calorie deficit if you want to lose weight or a calorie surplus if you want to gain weight. Number two, you can't, there's nothing will excuse bad food.

So I don't care how well you fast, whatever, stuff that's not good for you is just not good for you. Okay, so those are the big things you want to focus on first. Then you can utilize, you can utilize concepts like fasting for their own health benefits. I'm using fasting not because I'm necessarily trying to get leaner, I'm using it because of the health benefits. Yes, because even when I'm gaining weight,

I'll try to incorporate some kind of a fast because I feel better, I got more energy. Again, you're getting rid of those old cells and getting the better cells. They're looking at making fasting a potential adjuvant therapy to chemotherapy. They're finding that when people do proper fasting while on chemo, they need less chemo for the same effect.

That's amazing. That's amazing shit right there. If you use office, I think you don't have to take something. You don't have to take a pill to get that effect. That's what I'm saying. You just gotta restrain from food. Like that's crazy. And you know, and when you do prolong fast,

if you eat a regular balanced diet, many people will enter into ketosis. So even if you don't need a ketogenic diet and you don't want to eat a ketogenic diet, doing a 16, 24 hour fast, you're likely to go into ketosis. And you get some benefits of that because as we learned, we did our interview with Dom Diagostino, when he talked about cancer cells, they're not hybrid engines like the rest of the cells of the body. Most of the cells in the body are hybrids. They can work off of glucose and off of the cells of the body. Most of the cells in the body are hybrids.

They can work off of glucose and off of ketones. Cancer cells lose their ability to operate off of ketones. They can only use glucose. It's extremely fascinating. I feel like that. When you let yourself go into ketosis, it's anti-cancer. That's probably one of the reasons why fasting is beneficial for preventing things like cancer. And if you look at modern societies and the things that kill us today, look at them.

It's autoimmune diseases, it's cancers. It's these types of chronic illness and treatments that, or problems, excuse me, that we don't have necessarily cures or treatments for. And it kinda, I hate to say this because this is really, really general, but it all kinda points to the problem with our diet, the fact that we eat too much and too often, and it's too much sugar and processed foods, and it's almost like the human body is always going to have

these issues with potential cells that can mutate and turn into cancer. But if you're constantly feeding that, that you're going to promote that to happen. Does that make sense? You know, excess protein consumption can even do it. And I'm talking really high levels of protein. I just did a post on Instagram about how protein is not the magic macro nutrient that the supplement industry.

Oh, talk about that. I wanted to bring that. I'm glad you brought that up. I wanted to bring about the guy who debated you to death and ended up just proving the point. What an ass clown. So I was on there and I made a post that protein, protein is not a magic macro nutrient.

The reason why I said that was because, especially in the fitness industry, adding protein to anything automatically makes it healthy, or what they advertise. Or you can't eat too much protein, or if you're gonna cut anything, cut everything except for protein, because protein can do no wrong, which is not true.

You eat too much protein, you gain body fat off of it, like you would off of carbs and fats, eat a lot of protein, and you're probably doing some detrimental things to your health. And I listed on there that a high protein diet is perfectly safe. It's beneficial for athletic performance or for muscle gain, but a high protein diet according to the massive consensus of studies is about 0.6 to 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight, which is probably still double the RDA, right? It's about double. But it looks tiny to your bodybuilder, or somebody that's doing.

Bodybuilders, six to eight meals. Exactly, bodybuilders and supplement companies will promote one and a half to two grams per pound of body weight. So this guy gets on my Instagram and telling me, high protein diets are perfectly safe and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, everything you're saying is wrong. I'm like, no, it's not, it's totally true.

I'm, you know, show me some evidence, show me some science. It's like, well, I'm a biochemist and I know what I'm talking about. Like, well you're saying is wrong. I'm like, no, it's not, it's totally true. I'm, you know, show me some evidence, show me some science. It's like, well, I'm a biochemist and I know what I'm talking about. Like, well, show me the evidence. So he posed this long study and he failed to convert kilograms to pound. Yeah, 2.2 is a big fucking difference.

Yeah, so in the study, the long term study was, one was 1.5. Yeah, really? Yeah, really. that's awesome. Oh, did you just, it's, I, I saw he posted and I always look at your guys' pages in the traffic and what's going on with it. And I see Sal has this post that he just did the protein one. It's got over a hundred comments.

And I'm like, damn, there must have been a debate. He struck a nerve. Oh, right away, I knew there was a debate in there. So I pulled it up and I started reading the whole thread. And I read all these, this conversation this guy is having. and he is. He's just, he starts slant. I mean, he starts listing all these studies of like copypays, copypays. And I'm reading. I'm going like, this idiot is like always, and then I just proved to read any of them. He really proved my point. Yeah. And then I see Sal right exactly what I was like, oh, he just proved him. He just proved him.

His point. Yeah, I was like, dude, I was like, you forgot to say this said, the studies that you're posting show, 1.4 to 2 grams per kilogram of body weight is perfectly safe. I'm like, if you convert that to pounds, it's exactly what I said. Like, thank you for doing that. And then you went off on some other shit. And of course, of course, you know,

it's so great. Of course, he owns a supplement company. Of course, he's gonna go on the next round a bit. No. It's so, it's so unfair. Agenda? No. And I feel like people too, they just like to, especially your page

because you do post so much science. Any, I love it because it attracts, it attracts these other smart intelligence. Because the guy was in dumb. You know, the guy was an intelligent person. I mean, you just fucked up. Yeah, well, no, I don't even think that. I think that he was an intelligent person

with some good information, his red studies, knows a little bit about it. He found a place where he thought he could catch you up and just because he wanted to see. He thought he had you. Yeah, he thought he could slam Sal over something he said, but I mean, one thing that I've always loved how Sal presents his information is he's always very careful

not to be like, this is the way it is. That's it. And that you know, I'm saying like he's not right. It's like the upwards limit of, you know, benefits to approach you. It gives you a range of the, instead of like a precinct point. And there's nothing that we've had out there that showed

that beyond that is good for us. And some of the really extreme numbers have shown to have some detriment, which all that is true, all that is proven, all that is said, you cannot fucking argue that. And because South smart does a post that like kind of attracts people like, well, you know, the whatever you said for about protein, you know, it's not the special, not whatever, not the special macro-natured. Yeah, right.

The clickbait title and then gets everybody looking at it and stuff. There's always some Jack Asset wants to challenge and when he was doing that, I'm like, bro, he's not debating, like, if you have one to one, like, he's not saying that that's bad. He's not saying that. No, I'm saying the extreme amounts are probably bad.

Yes. Yes. And if you're 150 pound female and you're eating consistently 300 grams of protein every single day, that's two grams per pound of body weight, which is, which is, what sudden supplement companies will promote and bodybuilders will promote. Now let's just stop for a second. Like you want to debate me on this, but let's just think about this for one fucking second. How in the hell is that 150 pound female gonna get 300 grams of protein? It from food.

From food. Yeah, real food. That's just impossible. That's just a chicken breast today. Eight to 10 chicken. Think of that. Is her digestion gonna be okay? Is she gonna feel good?

I mean, what about our lifestyles? Chicken farm. She's gonna be eating whole day. She needs a chicken farm. And here's the other point I'd like to make. Well, fine. Let's say eating two grams of protein per pound of body weight gave you a, at the most, I could never imagine it giving you more than a 3% increase in performance.

Let's say you got 3% increase in performance. Is it fucking worth it? Is it worth all the side effects, the gastro effects, the potential long-term effects? And let's be real, although a relatively high protein diet has been proven to be healthy, fine for the kidneys, a super high protein diet has not been proven to be fine for the kidneys, a super high protein diet has not been proven to be good for the kidneys. The kidneys have to filter protein. There is going to be a point where you're going to be eating too much.

Well, and this is only anodonal right here, but the only people I've ever see any sort of benefit of it being at one gram at all or above that is anabolic. Of course. And their body just, it's just utilizing protein at a higher rate because they've got, you know, 10 times the anabolic. Of course. And their body's just utilizing protein at a higher rate because they've got 10 times the anabolic hormones running through the... So anybody else, I mean, if you're all natural then you have no business in that range.

And even if you are on steroids, I have not seen any extra benefit to more than like a one to one to one. No, and here's the other thing we need to consider. The more advanced you are with your workouts, the less protein you need. Not the more. People think, oh, I've been working out for years

and I build all this muscle. Therefore, I need to pound myself a more protein. No. Your body's more efficient. Yes, studies actually show that a beginner working out getting more muscle damage would require more protein. Eating carbohydrates or being in ketosis, protein sparing.

So if I eat carbohydrates with a meal or a normal meal, my body doesn't need as many proteins. If I'm in ketosis, my body doesn't need as many proteins. If I fast, if I skip meals, my body becomes more efficient at using my protein. So rather than taking that... If you're in a surplus versus a deficit, your body's going to metabolize it completely different.

Your body also has a really good ability to use, because okay, protein can be used for many, many different things in the body. But the primary thing, the one thing that protein is needed for is for the essential amino acids and the essential amino acids are essential because your body can't make them. So that means if you don't get them, you die.

Okay. So your body, if all things are falling apart or whatever, it will take your proteins and it will use them for the essential functions, which is for repair, for muscle repair and tissue repair and those type of things. It can also use protein for energy. It can use it for a lot of other different tasks. So if you're eating a shit ton of protein, you're just gonna, a lot of it's gonna be protein for energy. It can use it for a lot of other different tasks. So if you're eating a shit ton of protein,

you're just getting, a lot of it's gonna be turned into energy. You don't need all that protein is my point. And you're missing out on the benefits of some of these other macronutrients like carbohydrates and fat. Well, I feel like especially that person, because the guy who's normally eating the two or three grams of fucking protein per pound of body weight

is normally the meathead guy who's over consuming already because he's on the bulk. He's building and so he's consuming all this food. It's like, dude, you're in a surplus if you really don't need it. You know what I'm saying? Your body's got all kinds of extra stuff to utilize for energy and other stuff. So you just need to bear minimum with that part of protein. And I used to crack up when I'd see these competitors diets because I'm like, you're in there busting your ass on these cardio machines and treadmills for an hour. Like, dude, why don't you just cut out about a thousand calories of fucking

chicken breasts every day and not go do cardio? And you're going to see the same results. Yeah, just like, yeah. Because they think that the chicken breasts couldn't possibly be contributing to fat gain. Right. That's, that's, that's why. But I mean, do the math. Again, 150 like yeah, because they think that the chicken breasts couldn't possibly be contributing to fat gain right that's that's that's why but I mean do the math again 150 pound female three-neagrams of protein. That's 1200 calories from protein. That's not including any other fucking macro nutrient right so now She's got to figure out how she can add some carbs and maybe I get a squeeze the rest in I mean that's just to me It's just absolutely insane and frequent super super frequent feeding of protein has been shown to reduce the body sensitivity to protein. And so you're going to be using less of it, less efficiently. So, you know, fasting can increase protein synthesis as well and increase your body's utilization of it. So a lot of

the stuff that we're looking, we were just talking about skipping meals. It's interesting because about 10 years ago, or maybe more, it kind of became popular to say, stop eating past 6 p.m. Remember that? Everybody's like, oh, if you wanna lose weight, what they don't realize was they were just advocating a type of fast, right?

Like, I'm not gonna eat past five or six, and then my next meal is the next day at eight or nine. That's a good point. Right. But nobody was saying skip breakfast because it's been hammered into our heads. You need that order to operate. That breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

Who invented that freaking tagline? Dairy companies maybe? I don't know, I forgot. I forgot Dr. Sayat though. Sad. Let's steep it. Sad. It's stupid.

And part of that is because the studies done on people who eat breakfast or who take the time to eat breakfast are also people who tend to be healthy. They're planners. Yes. Just like people who take multivitamins show better. And they're just eating because they're more like out of a vending machine. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

So true. But you got to do it right. All these techniques that we talk about on the show, just for the listeners, you want to make sure, don't just jump into it, especially if you haven't done it before. We have a very inexpensive guide, mindpumpmedia.com, a fasting guide. It's actually one of our more popular guides. But we break it down and we list the ones. How many?

There's six different types in there. So we list the ones that are good because How many? There's six different types in there. Six, so we list the ones that are good, because there's more than that. Lots of techniques. There's lots, but we list the ones that will benefit, we think will benefit, or most beneficial to people who want to work out. Yes.

On top of that, yeah. We want to build muscle and also retain muscle. Yeah, remember, and body, and I believe it in there. It has each one, we all have different ways that we utilize it, so each one of us kind of use it differently, and I think it's expressed in there right when Because you're getting an example of what we're doing each one of ours has an it there's an example of all of ours Yeah, yeah, so it's all it's all in there

But like I said, you know if you do it right utilize it right. It's not for everybody and there are individual You'll you'll find your own pathway too, right right? So this is how you're able to sort of figure this out and like find out what really is appropriate for you and your patterns. And so. It trips me out too, because you look back at some of the ancient wisdom of philosophers and doctors and of the past,

medicine, man or whatever. And fasting has been a part of human culture. Forever. It's in anxious religions been around. It's been around. It's in anxious, it's literally worked into some religion. Almost all.

But. Almost all have some sort of a effect. Except my issue with some of those is they don't add water in their fasts, which is probably like, like, Ramadan, you can't have any water. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm just stupidity then. It's done. Who knows? Who's involved a little bit? Yeah, yeah, yeahon you can't have any water. Yeah, that's interesting. That's just stupidity that it's done. Who knows? We've evolved a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Who knows? I mean, I know that they've probably they probably took something good and then you know made it

Become more of a spiritual thing like abstaining abstaining for anything. Yeah, I totally haven't do abstaining But but yeah, fasting in some form or another has been a part of human history forever And even if we go back beyond that is a part of human evolution because I'm pretty sure refrigerators and you know, the- Well, the piece that- The one that grows your stores. The piece that I think is so important about it that we didn't touch on that, I think, is just learning the appetite control and learning, learning that discipline of, you know,

am I really that hungry or is this more mental? And I think- It's like a culture shock. It is. And I feel like that's why I'm such a, why I'm such a huge fan of it is because when I teach clients this, I feel it's like mind blowing for them. Like, oh my god, I could totally do that. And it wasn't that hard. And once I got through this.

And so then I think it helps them in the future when they have to restrain from a simple thing. Like they go, they look at their watch and like, oh, she just, oh, there's nothing like quality here for me to eat. I'll just, what am I going to do? Just wait till dinner. What? Yeah. You don't have to eat right there. That's a great point. Just because clients, how often is a client said this to you? Like, well, I'm going to be in these meetings all day from, you know, one o'clock all the way till. And all I have is bagels. Yeah, exactly. And they tell you all I have is like, this doughnuts, and they just put it out there.

Then I go, well, why don't we need it? Why don't we do your fast that day? That'd be perfect day to your fast. And it's like, oh, yeah, I didn't think about that. Like, yeah, why? Wow. I didn't even think of that. Oh, no, it's like, technique.

It's something that that's what I, for me, and that's what I think it's done the most for the psychological part for my clients is for them to see that you don't always gotta be stuffing something in your face every two to three hours. That's such a myth. And you know, in fact, we could get huge benefits for you not going. And then in the past two, we used to say, eat breakfast, you know, for your brain and all these things that when we're talking say eat breakfast, you know, for your brain and all these things that when we, when we're talking about right now, the fasting actually creates more mental

clarity and better cognitive function like, dude, and you may reach ketosis. Yeah. You know, all these things you could benefit from, they'll give you more mental clarity. So all the excuses that people had in the past, so why they couldn't do that. It's just funny how brainwashed you become because now it seems so obvious to me. Like, if I ate a massive meal and then I had to take a cognitive test, I would suck. Like I'd be so tired.

I know. You be all groggy and oh. It's crazy how I thought the opposite. Like I better have a big breakfast because I gotta go do this, you know. I gotta go do the speech. Oh no, I don't remember being here. Yeah, mom making a big ol' stack of pancakes

except before test day. Friday breakfast. Big ol' stack of pancakes this up before test day. Friday. Big old stack pancakes and peanut butter and syrup all over. You're like yawning your way through. Here's son, have a little touch of diabetes before you. Some of the things should help you pass this. Well, listen, if you like Mind Pump, leave us a five star rating review on iTunes. You can find us on Instagram at Mind Pump Radio.

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