Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 371: Supplement Horror Stories, Max Recoverable Volume vs. Minimum Effective Dose, Success Traits & MORE

Episode Date: September 24, 2016

In this episode we have a special guest, college student and personal trainer Danny Matranga, who interviews Sal, Adam & Justin about fitness & relationships, proudest moments, top trainer traits, inventing fitness equipment, maximum recoverable volume vs. minimum effective dose, mentors, supplement horror stories and the one success tip they would give. This Quah is sponsored by Kimera Koffee! Use the coupon code "mindpump" for 10% off your coffee order at www.kimerakoffee.com. In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Kimera Koffee (kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about Kimera-Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Kimera Koffee (kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about unstable knees, distilled water, opinions on unconventional training and how and when to use it, how to incorporate lifting with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and how to talk to women. Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you with a new video every day on our new YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic and the Butt Builder Blueprint (The RGB Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, pop, mite, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. All right, so you're going to hear this next episode. We actually are the ones. A little twist for you. Yeah, we're the ones being interviewed. One of our fans contacted us.

A college student was doing a project for school. He's a Kinesh major. Kinesh major is the final year. Yeah, he's a personal trainer and needed to interview some professionals in the industry. And he knew Adam through one of his family members so we kind of had a contact. And we started talking and we decided, hey, you know what? A hungry kid. Maybe a cool show. Yeah, you know what? Hungry kid. Maybe a cool show.

Yeah, young kid, he's hungry, he wants to learn. Let's have him come in. We'll talk with him for 10 minutes and we decided, why don't we just let him interview us on air? Very smart, good dude. Very smart kid. Gonna be very successful in this industry. I could tell that within the first five minutes of meeting him.

Probably would be good in a podcast too. Yeah, actually, you're pretty good. You'll hear him in the episode coming up. A little mini-sal kind of. Maybe. Yeah, not as hairy. So we're actually a little hairier. So we're going to be interviewed in this next episode by Mr. Danny Matrenga, who you can find on Instagram at Smart Strength Fitness. So without any further ado, here you go. Let's do it. Boom. Yesterday I told you guys what happened, right? Before we did our seminar. What? So I've been I've been experimenting without wearing deodorant.

Dude, are you gonna tell this? I'm not gonna tell it. I'm not gonna go all the way with it, but I Yeah, dude, why don't you start with what how I how I came about because I was in there. We were doing little so little by little I've been called you out. I know little by little. I did too. Mm-hmm. No, I didn little by little, I've been doing it. I called you out, you see. I know, little by little. Oh, you did too? No, he didn't call me out for that. I said, like, let's not go full hippie, so. Oh, no, I told him you fucking stink, bro.

Go fix it. Oh, yeah, I told him that. So, no, I've been going more and more, less and less in terms of, you know, wearing chemicals and all that kind of shit. And I've been using like the... Tom's. No, the rock salt.

I like tom's. You know, it looks like a fricking crystal. The shields are the deal. It looks like a... I used a toothpaste You know, it looks like a freaking crystal. The shields are the deal. It looks like a... I use the toothpaste. No, it looks like a crystal, right? And you put it on your arms. And that's been working fine.

And that's the... I've been going without the odorant, right? And I was on my way to the seminar. And I'm kind of sweating because I'm a little excited and nervous, whatever. And I lift my arm up and I do a little sniff check. And I'm like, oh shit. Like, whoa, this is... What do I do now? Yeah, I'm like, bro, you excited and nervous, whatever. And I lift my arm up and I do a little sniff check. And I'm like, oh shit. Like, whoa, this is what do I do now?

Yeah, I'm like, bro, you got a situation, bro. And I'm like, this is not the time to be doing your hippie shit right now. No, I had to run the CVS and freaking apply some deodorant. He's still some deodorant, that's not even by it. He's just rolled it on. What? That's not what happened.

Come on. Allegedly. I'm not saying I never saw him come back with any deodorant, is that it? I do, that's all, that's all, that'sedly. I'm not saying I never saw him come back with any deodorant. That's all that's all that's all that's right. I'm not saying he's not saying he did that. Yeah, but I did notice he came back smelling a lot better and he didn't have it in his car.

You're all in that's true. I don't know. Yeah, so but it didn't happen. So anyway, long story short, I'm not worrying any today. We'll see what happens. When we hug today Adam. Okay.

This is a podcast, dude. My man is right. and they do have over 2,000 2,700 reviews. What's the name of it? Guys we fucked, but it's it's got the asterisk since you can't suggest guys we yeah, but Dude Serious like great reviews. I want to have to listen to this and this would be this would probably be a really fun episode title Adam Schaefer. Let's talk about Adam. Part two techniques. We needed two episodes. Let's talk about it. Okay, I want to read one bad. I like to read a good one. This was first thing. Okay, let's read what they say. This is a bad one. I started listening to this

podcast October 2015 and listened to each new podcast as they came out and started working my way through other older podcasts as a whole I found it entertaining and informative. I thought the hosts were funny good and interviewing their guests and has a positive message for women However, I stopped listening when I reached the April. Oh, wow this April 30th 2015 episode with Jeffrey Gaurin I don't know who that is Jeffrey who is a self-described healer and comedian recommended women with lumps in their breasts, implying breast cancer, seek treatment from Brazilian shaman, psychic surgery and or healers. At least it's not specific.

Both, both, both support of these suggestions with personal experience. Obviously, no one should be getting medical advice from stand-up comedians, but I thought it was completely negligent for two. This is so funny how people wouldn't, this girl writes a whole fucking one star review over one episode because that's how it all is. That's how you have one bad meal. The place is dog shit. There's only it's at the outliers.

There's only good reviews or bad reviews. You never would go on to yell to leave a three star review. That's true. It's just how it is. That's true. That's why 99% of ours are good. And because you give a free T-shirt. Except for that one, except for that one that chaser. Take notes. Oh yeah, there was a change in there.

There was one for you. Oh, the guy that did a four star and then he bumped into a five star. No, we had someone to give us a five star. Oh, yeah. And went back to give us a one star. Oh, yeah. And we were talking about that.

We looked a little political, little. We won't talk about her. Oh, Jesus. So, introduce our guests. Tell us how it's done. We were a little political. We want to talk about her. Jesus. So, introduce our guests. Tell us how this all happened. How did this all happen? I didn't even know, man. He knows my cousin.

So they go back, how long do you guys go back? Like two years, three years. Wait, first and last name? Danny Matranga. Okay. And you are a trainer and a college student. Yes, I am. So, did you contact us to do this or had this?

I contacted his cousin who contacted him and then through that I ended up talking to Adam who put me in alignment with your guys' PR and I ended up getting in here. Excellent. And what was the goal of this was to do it with the project? Yes, some questions that I had to answer for class. So super simple questions, but then I made some, I figured if I'm going to be here, bring some questions for myself, be a little selfish. Excellent. And you work at 24 hour fitness at the, for right now, yeah.

All right. See, that's, that's our stomping ground. Well, and Danny, you're in your fourth year right now, right? School. Yes. And Kinesh sports medicine. What is it? What's your? Yeah, Kinesiology is the department. So the goal right now is to graduate with the best grades possible. Keep all the opportunities open. I don't want to funnel or tunnel myself. You have plans to continue on the schooling or do you think you're going to go into the workforce

and what's the plan right now? That's the phone part. So like I said, options are open, but I would love to continue to go to school, but I don't know if the physical therapy route is what I want. The med route is what I want. Excellent. The physiology route is what I want. The med route is what I want.

The physiology route is what I want. And I do have kind of an entrepreneurship gene there. I've done well in training. You do, I can tell immediately. I've done well in training. And I want to continue to do that to a degree. And actually, my buddy is the physical therapy mastermind. He's done everything perfectly.

And we've kind of joked around a little bit about when he gets out of PT school, opening our own practice that is kind of both rehabilitative and performance and handsmen related. So, cool man. Now, let me ask you this, how long you been training at 24? Three years, I started when I was 18. Are you part time or full time?

Full time. It depends on, so I'll go between 35 and 45 hours in a week. Are you the top sales guy in the club? Month to month, yeah. If you looked at the averages, yeah. You're one of the top guys. Are you the top sales guy in the club? It month to month, yeah. If you looked at the averages, yeah. You're one of the top guys. I'm the top guy. Yeah, so I can tell the clothes are a mile away.

Yeah, sorry. Yeah, right away. So this episode's different because this is mind pump getting interviewed. So you want to interview us, and this is for a project for class, or what were the directions with the project? What they say you got to do? Three professionals in the field.

So instead of going for the two more, and nobody else could, what about like semi-perfec? Yeah, nobody else would meet with you so we could come up. Sorry, like the last choice. Oh, you only get, you get what, seven to 11 minutes with a doctor.

What do you think you get when you're not going to get a prescription out of it? Like two minutes? Like being a physical therapist? Yeah, it's all right. What's the best part? Helping people. Okay, oh, see you. All right, that's what you get. Yeah. And I wanted to get

something a little more personal, something I'm passionate about. And since I listen almost every day, I figured what the hell why not give it a go. Plus we like talking about ourselves. So we're going to be much more. Now is this going to be it? Wait, is this going to be a charity? The house of project works? Are you going to is it going to write a report? Or are you going to share it in from the class? Like how is this? I is this go down? But I might just forward the email with the attached audio clip and be like, here you go. That'd be nice. That works better. It saves the, you know, I won't have to type anything up. That would be absolutely excellent. And

you know, the work for you. What's your teacher's name? Well, there's two that I can use this for, which is a winters and a sockman. Oh, so I got your killer tubers with one stone. No, no, no, no, no, excellent. All right. Uh, smart. Let's go. Ask us some questions. Yeah. All right. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before we start, uh, who's your favorite host? Oh, shit. So I know. I know. Yeah, you have to be honest. I would be totally transparent. I got in line with, with, um, with mind pump, cause I liked Sal's bravado. And you do And you talk in absolutes, which I do like. But Justin's one-liners are the reason that I keep listening whenever so it's getting boring.

Yes. Because you guys can't, and obviously I like, I like, you're the dynamic between you two. There's a dichotomy at times, but it's gotta be equal. It's sexual tension is what you're doing. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sal's wanted to fuck me for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah. I did. Already. Oh, shit. What the? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds wanted to fuck me for a long time. Yeah, yeah, I did already Oh, shit here Today's quas being brought to you by Kai Maricopi is the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutrophics for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buds without the crash. Click the chimerilink at MindPumpMedia.com and input the discount code MindPump.com checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking flaw. The English Landis.

Quee-qua. The first question is how has your industry, personal training, affected your relationships, dating and family life? Oh, it has personal training. Well, let me tell you this. As being in fitness in general. Yeah, so when you're in the fitness industry, when you work in a gym.

Tell us, divorce, eh? It's almost shit. Right in the nuts. Whoa. Hey. You know, it's funny. So I was in real. I've been in training.

I've been in as a personal trainer trainer now professionally since the age of 18. So it's been a long time. It's been almost 20 years. And working in a gym is very similar. I hate to say it to working in a bar or a club in terms of the kind, you know, there's lots of the opposite sex. There's people are kind of checking each other out. you know, there's kind of that tension in there. And so when you date someone, they have to be pretty secure to be dating a trainer.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, you get, especially, you- Oh yeah. I actually wrote it right in article probably 10 plus years ago that did a study on like what's the word I'm looking for? Unfaithful. Infidelity. Infidelity, thank you. Infidelity in the workforce and gyms were number one, hospitals were number two.

Doctors. Yeah. Yeah, it's doctors and nurses be banging it out like crazy trainers and their staff members. Not to mention, if you're a, let's say you're a guy, you're a guy trainer, you're very fit, you're into exercise, you start dating a girl, sometimes they feel insecure around you because you're a trainer, you know what I mean?

Because they're insecure about their body. Oh no, I'm training this guy who trains people. There's a lot of challenges there. I think that's one of the reasons why you probably see a lot of trainers date trainers. Yeah, there's definitely, from my own experience, I've dated girls who I met at the gym, you probably see a lot of trainers date trainers. Yeah, there's definitely from my own experience. I've dated girls who I met at the gym and it is a little difficult at times because you're at work eight to 10 hours a day or a trainer.

You get off work. You want to enjoy the time with that person and they might have a little bit of, oh no, like, oh, he's a trainer. I got to stay in shape. I got to be in shape and that's not always the way it is. It can be difficult. Yeah. I found that I had to set boundaries really early because all of us in here have been

training since we were young. We started, South started in 19, I started at 20. And I learned really quick, like, you know, I was so about my business and work that I didn't want those to meld. And even if I met somebody in the gym or I was possibly dating somebody that also was a trainer, I never wanted that to like, yes. And so like even even my girl today who's been with me for over six years, like she knows that you like you don't kiss me at the gym or in front of people like that has nothing to do with my love for you. But as a trainer, we're on 24 seven. So everybody's watching. Yeah. And they say, you know, they say it takes the average person before they purchase training for me

They'll they'll watch you for like three months. So they're very true. They're paying attention to your mannerisms They're paying attention to how you interact with women and they don't know if that's your your girlfriend or who she is They just see the body language. They do it describes a lot of what's going on and most people already are a little judgmental and already Think that as a trainer's already have that stigma about them that they bang their clients and they do stuff like that. So for me, I wanted to separate myself from the pack. So I knew that I had to be very strict about like that with relationships. And so I learned early on that I'd have to communicate that. So right away, when you were starting to date me, I would say that because I knew too,

because obviously I made the mistake of not saying that early on that turns into a big fight or a big insecurity issue, and it's just like this ain't gonna work. Well, you know, you're training, and you're a trainer, you've got a girlfriend, and then you're training like some girl who wants to get in shape, and you're with her for two hours a day, and you're working out together, and you're spotting her, and you've got to be secure to date a personal trainer, I think.

Would you guys say that you have to lay boundaries initially with certain clients if you know that potentially they might be training with you because they find you attractive? I think you don't lay the boundaries in terms of, like, you don't sit down with the clients. Okay, I know you're into me. I'm glad, lay off. I'm glad we're training together, but just to be clear,

I'm not gonna have sex with you, like, that would be the wrong, that would come across the opposite way. You lay the boundaries by your professionalism. Yeah. Uh, when you, when you're doing certain, when you're spotting them or, or you're stretching them, there is a way you do it that creates a boundary and there's a way you do it that makes it. I've seen people, you know, when you get someone, when you do passive stretching,

right, and you got someone on the floor, I've seen trainers on the inside of the leg. Oh, bro, if your pelvis is in there, if all this, yeah. They make a fucking strap for that. You don't need to do that. You know what I'm saying? They make a little rope that she can put around her ankle and pull her hamstring in her self. And you don't make eye contact.

Like you're stretching someone, don't look in their eyes while you have their leg on your shoulder. If you're spotting a client on a single joint exercise. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No, I think that for sure how you talk to them, and I think this was something I used to talk to all my trainers

because every trainer at one point will have a client that hires them that wants to fuck them. Just bottom line. That's the fact that will happen, and it'll happen quite often. There's some Adam's experience. Yeah, I know. There's nothing anecdotal about this.

It's a fucking fact. Every trainer, every trainer, how ugly of a trainer you are, eventually somebody wants to fuck you. Didn't Justin marry his client? Yeah, it did. What did you think you were? I had to get rid of her actually.

I was like, I had to stop trainer. Yes. I had to get, I basically got to that point where I was like, oh dude, no this is getting unprofessional. And I had one of my friends this girl, like a trainer, so at least you was still in the same gym, so I could watch her and keep, you know, communication happening with her. But I had to like separate myself from that situation.

I had one client traveling nurse, her name was Kelly, that I ended up dating. And when I ride away, the moment that I knew that I was attracted to her was the first time that I had an appointment with her. And when I knew that that was going to a distraction for me that, okay, I like this person. I ride away, say, listen, this is, you know, what I'd like you to do. Here's the training package. I pretty much presented her and sold her training. And I said, but I'm not going to train you.

And she was like, I don't understand. I'm like, well, because I'm interested in you and I'd like to date you and I just don't do that. Of course, I got to date and she was flatter. I still sold her training and she trained with somebody else. But I would, you know, I would not win, win, win, win, win all the way, win all the way around for sure. But I would not, I would not cross it because once you do that, you, you forever know that guy. You for, you do that one time. Like you're, you're the guy who dates his clients.

Everybody will talk about it in the gym and it literally will ruin your business. It will. It is a very tight community in Sighty's gym and it's this little like rumor mill. And yeah, the second you do that, everybody knows. Oh yeah, every gym has like, every gym has at least one trainer guy and trainer girl that is known as like, oh yeah, they, you know, they fuck all their clients.

Like, yeah. To put it in a perspective, I go to a college at this point, 70% females. And the majority of my gym, younger population, females, you know, the ratio carries over. What do you think the rumor mail looks like when the majority of your gym's population is 19 to 23 year old girls? Yeah, you know, you're in trouble if you do that kind of stuff. So you have to be careful. What gym is that again? Let me write that down.

All right, next question. Next question. The real thing to travel. Proudest moment as a trainer. Obviously there's several. Probably the one that came to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad to have you here.

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story as a trainer because I know somebody wants to hear about the time that I you know lost somebody a hundred pounds and I changed some lady's life, but I wouldn't be I wouldn't be being truthful. But I can't say Adam. That's the boring stuff right. Well, Adam's like I'm going to use this opportunity to talk about my story. I did for myself. Well, yeah, you know, right. It, Adam's like, I'm gonna use this opportunity to talk about my story. I did for myself. Well, yeah, you know, right? It's unfortunate, but it's true.

It's a big deal. It was a huge accomplishment for me. The way I felt at that moment was probably one of the coolest moments in my career. And to be honest, I can, there's hundreds of people that have grabbed me after a training session and held me and hugged me and told me how much I changed their lives and lost, don't get me wrong.

There are every one of those stories that's rewarding for me to pick one, I feel would be wrong. So that's a bond is something with that because like, even just going through the role of decks of clients and like the stories I have, like with successes and like, you know, pain alleviation and, you know, loss of pounds and just the overall lifestyle changes that had happened. There's just, there's just a lot and it would demean like somebody else's success, you know, by pointing out one of these clients in particular, like, it's just the overall reward of just being a part of like all these people's

lives, I think it, I mean, that's, that's a huge thing. And that's what drives, you know, a lot of trainers in this industry if they're doing it the right way. So, yeah, for me, to nail that down, it's really tough. Like, I don't, I can't, honestly, I feel like it's just connecting with these two guys in like starting something else.

That's a perfect example. That nobody's done yet. So, I feel like this is my defining moment. That's a perfect example. That nobody's done yet. So I feel like this is my defining moment. That's fantastic. And that's what I mean by that. That whole process was leading to this. The whole reason why I got on stage, I was trying to do that was to get this attention.

So we could turn around and do this. And to me, this is one of the, out of all the things that we've done in fitness, I'm most proud of, you know, how about this? The form that we have built is probably one of the, I'm probably, and I think I really attribute a lot of that to Sal, Sal's really own that the most out of all of us, but I take a lot of pride in that

because I still think of all of us as one because we're all doing different things. It's been awesome, very influential for us. Yeah, that form is definitely one of the proudest things, for sure, just because of the community that we have built and to see how it's influencing other people and how much it's helped. Like, we talked off-air a little bit with Danny

and he was talking about the compounding of, it's one thing to be a trainer and help that one individual in front of you. It's another thing to help trainers that are helping hundreds of other people. It's a new level. Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah. When I think, when I think from the standpoint as a trainer, two things popped into my mind

when you said that. One of them, when I first started my personal training business as an entrepreneur, I was 24 and I had paid rent for a gym that was in the back of a tanning salon that I had kind of like stumbled upon. So that's why I started my business. And my very first day walking in, there was a lady using the stairmaster. And I introduced myself, we start talking and I book her an assessment. And she was not very talkative, kind of a little bit put off, but she came and we trained and she ended up hiring me. And over the years, I trained her, then I made a bootcamp class that she took, and then she couldn't afford that.

So we did a membership for her, and I convinced her that personal training is probably in her future, like she should become a trainer. Anyway, long story short, no, she's a personal trainer now and she has her own clientele and her name is Nicole and I'll always remember her or I should say, I'll always value her because she was my very, very first client when I started my own business and she became a trainer. So that's the first thing that popped up in my mind. The second thing that popped up in my mind

was something that happened recently. I have my son, my son is literally son is literally a spitting image of me. He's the exact same person. So when you're a parent, one of the interesting thing that can happen is you'll have a child that is identical to you, which means you get to face all your wonderful insecurities that you never, that you think you got over all over again as a child because your kid is probably going to have the same issues you had. They're going to, you know, that you think you got over all over again as a child, because your kid is probably going to have the same issues you had. They're going to, you know, if you were skinny growing up and you're real insecure about that, you might, you're probably going to have a kid that's going to have those same

genes and you're going to, you know, learn to deal with that. Or if you're really shy as a child, they might inherit that trait and you got to kind of deal with it all over again. And you know, my son is my spitting image. I mean, growing up, I was very, very skinny. I wasn't really athletic. My son is very similar, although he's a very, very hard worker and I was the same way.

And so I have him in judo. I haven't taken judo classes, because I think it'll be very good for him to build his self-esteem. And also, you know, once he hits 13, 14, you know, boys start to fuck with each other. He'll be confident, because he'll know judo. But he does not want to compete.

Now, neither did I at that age. I did not want to compete. Now neither did I at that age. I did not want to compete. I don't want to fight in front of people, gave me anxiety, never want to do it, and I was forced to do it, and I hated it. So I made the decision, I'm not gonna ever tell him. If he ever decides he wants to do it fine, but I'll never, if he says he wants to do it, whatever,

but, and I never anticipated him telling me that he wants to compete. Well recently, after one of his classes, he comes out and he's like, you know, but I want to go to a tournament. I want to watch one. So I'm like, okay, well, how come? It was what I'm thinking about maybe competing, but let's watch one first. It's very proud moment because he came to that conclusion himself.

He overcame that on his own, even consider going and watching a tournament. And as a, you know, as a father, it was a very very very proud moment. It was like it worked like what I did work I didn't push him. I didn't pressure him. I left it open allowed him to kind of you know come to that conclusion himself And he was and so it was pretty cool the program design of raising your son. Yeah, so that's the next map Maps raising your children. I'm working on that one right now. All right, next question. Hold on here. No problem. I'm picking between a few that I think would be good.

You guys go first so I can listen so I can get something real. Don't make me more sentimental about my stuff. We'll pop into my head. Yeah. All right, so I know you guys have all worked in management and. It's all about impact. And in hiring trainers, if you had to pick three adjectives at verbs descriptive verbs nouns whatever to describe a trainer So three word new trainer. You're gonna hire them. What are the three traits things that you're looking for? Oh wow great question

That's a good question. Great question. Number one outgoing Tenacious and hard working for sure hungry is what I was hungry. It's for sure two words three words outgoing. Um, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh I can tell you I'm hungry. I can't tell you how many Extremely knowledgeable trainers I've hired who knew a lot of shit who came in with a lot of education Who sucked? Yeah, I'm not succeed and I can tell I can name all though because I they're memorable the trainers I hired who knew nothing. Yeah, I don't want somebody to I want somebody to smart open mind to smart They've already been tainted. Okay, I want somebody who's, who's eager to learn that wants to grow so very self-aware. So maybe self-aware is another word in there. So very self-aware, you know, and hungry to learn. And, and that's the person I'd rather have than somebody who I get with a master's already four national certifications.

One of my favorite places to recruit personal trainers from would be when I go to a retail store, so the people helping me with shoes or whatever, pay attention to how they were talking to me, or restaurants, a waiter. I've recruited several trainers who were waiters. They'd come and they'd wait on my table, and be like, this kid is really good.

This girl's good. This girl's good. The interpersonal skills that you would need. Yeah, and so then I'd give my card and say, look, how much are you making as a waiter? If you don't mind me asking, they'd tell me, say, we'll make a lot more as a personal trainer. I don't, well, I work out, but I don't know much about fitness.

Don't worry, we'll teach you and certify you and all that stuff. And they made phenomenal, successful trainers. Then I'd have people coming in with huge backgrounds and fitness and they'd come in as trainers. And I think that they expected like shit to just happen for them. You know what I mean? Like they're gonna come in as trainers and I think that they expected like shit to just happen for them You know what I mean like you're gonna come in and just I'm gonna get all these clients because I have you know Masters and whatever and it didn't happen because didn't have that that same hunger or whatever so well

It's that humility as well. I've only seen one trainer And this is my my best friend Brandon who came in with a high level of education But also the humility of knowing that he's not a trainer yet. He has his bachelor's degree in pre-physical therapy. He has his nasm. All of the prerequisites to be successful minus the experience. He came in super hyped, had one bad day, and I watched, I was like, how is he going to respond to this? He stepped up to the plate and totally, just nothing but humility, just started looking for nose.

And by looking for nose, I mean, he was not afraid of nose. The more nose meant, the more yeses would come. And I've never seen somebody grow a personal training business that fast. And I know you guys work for the company I currently work for. So you know what excellence is. And this is somebody you got to 160 sessions per month in about three months. Wow. Being a trainer and it came from being humble and taking the time to connect with your clients. to 160 sessions per month in about three months. That's a big attranger.

And it came from being humble and taking the time to connect with your clients. Is he the guy that you brought to the seminar? No, no, that's a different friend. But I just think that in line with what you guys are saying, the adjectives that you're looking for, having that hunger, even though you have the prerequisites to be a great trainer knowledge wise,

the hunger is the factor that really makes the difference between good and in-appetition. Yeah, I wanted to grow it and you said it, the hunger is the factor that really makes the difference between good and in aperture. Yeah, I wanted to grow it and you said it, humility were along the lines of self-awareness, you know, knowing that, yeah, even though I'm educating smart, there's still a lot to learn, there's still a lot to go from here. So I 100% agree. And I not to like go backwards, but I think as a trainer, my proudest moment would have been when he had more clients than me. Because it was like, wow, this is somebody's life who I've impacted a little bit. And now he's got 20 clients whose lives he's changing just because I kind of pointed him

in that direction minimally. Good job. Excellent. So that's one of those cool things. Next question. Yeah. Okay, this is a more science related question. If you guys had unlimited funding and all the necessary

infrastructure to put a piece of fitness equipment out there analogous to maybe a Fitbit or something like that, a fitness product. What would you make? What would be the product that you made? I know Justin has one already. So that's kind of why I thought of this question. What would the Sal product be and what would the Adam product be? Yeah, wow. That is a good question. It is a very good question and it's hard to not steal justins because I think that's part of why we're all behind it and we're very excited about what he's doing. So maybe Justin, you share a little bit about that and that'll give you just a sound

and ice. Give you the old idea. Are you allowed to answer? Are you allowed to share? No, no, no, I can fully undisclose this, you know, because it's in the work. So, man, it's been a really tough road with this, and I challenge anybody to really, I don't know, give respect to these products that are out there, and like what it takes to put it out there. It takes a lot of planning planning and like there's legal,

there's patents, there's just understanding the overall logistics, the shipping, international business, logo, presence, marketing. So all that aside, I just have to throw that out there as it's been a long road. And but still remaining passionate about it and just focusing on the positivity of what it's going to bring into the community of fitness. Like I approached it and I wanted to go forward with this because I really do have this vision.

I don't want to be the type of person that if I have a vision, I'm just going to sit on it and wonder, oh, what if I did pursue that? Or, you know, that sounds kind of like a good idea, but, you know, maybe I'll just keep that up here and then I'll get to it. But, you know, I just went full in. And the product I'm creating does have a little bit of what you're kind of hinting at with Fitbit and technology and incorporating this into products. What I'm trying to do is to make more relevant, like certain old techniques that people used to use long time ago, that were effective, but it's how do you measure that?

There's no real metric for that that exists yet. And so, that's where I thought that this would have a real big impact with assessing somebody's strength as far as like where... They're isometric strength. They're isometric strength. So, yeah. So, basically giving new relevance to isometrics by incorporating technology.

And this is a stick and it's going to be able to measure the compressive forces, you know, that the individual places into the wall. So I have clients do the standing stick mobility floor press where you drive it into the ground. This device measures the power output. Exactly. So here's a, here's a a theory. I'll sell it real.

I'll sell it easy for you, Justin, because this is a product that's brilliant. And it sounds complex, and it is in its design, but it's very simple, and how you use it. And when you're applying tension, maximum tension, when I tell you to tense an area or twist or whatever on an immovable object, it's completely subjective to the

type of tension you're providing. And are you getting stronger? You know you're putting more effort, but is that equaling more tension? We now have something that provides you with that metric and it's real time. So you can watch what you're doing. You can watch the tension. You can watch the direction of where you're applying the tension, you can watch the direction of your, you know, where you're applying this tension, and you can watch it on a meter, and then you can set

yourself a parameter that you can continue to match or surpass. Right. So you're always within the right zone to maximize that. So Justin's tool, per se, would be an isometric training tool that allows objective information to be portrayed on the screen that you can then program into your routine. So you could be like, I created X ground ground, whatever the floor is. Yeah, you can see your max output. And then program off those numbers. And max output becomes particularly relevant because what we're learning with,

you know, kind of setting our our scale. So if I can increase my max and do it safely, my max exertion, that's the other point that this is a safe way to max out basically with these movements. And so now you're getting this increased output of your, you know, with your central nervous system to respond and create this new capacity. So you'll be able to see that change

and then program it in such a way that you can phase in and out and increase that maximum. Because before using isometric techniques, we're kind of all subjective. Oh, it was a really hard plank. I can't plan it. I can't plan it.

100%. So yeah, you have an idea, Adam? You know, along the lines of, if we had the science here or the technology to do this, I would along the lines of, you know, if we had the science here or the technology to do this I would love to create something like and along the lines of like a Fitbit tool That actually as you ingest the food. That's my idea That it's that it actually is like calibrating a track So let's take for example like the Fitbit and I have all my macros inputted my goals already inputted and

So it's got my okay, I I need, you know, 250 grams of carbs today. I need 190 grams of protein. I need X amount of fats. And then, literally, as I eat, it's the bars are filling up on my wrist. So I see like, oh, cool. I'm at 30% of my intake for my class. Hey, you never know, nanotechnology.

Well, I mean, that's why I said, you know, if we're not quite there yet, but I mean, I believe that maybe in the future that this is something that we could have. And I think that would be huge for people just for accountability to look down and be like, yeah, holy shit. And we're close, right? We're close right now where you have to actually input it. And we're getting, you know, the search engines on those are getting better where you before you've finished pitting pancakes, they populate. And then there's a huge library of all the different brands and kinds. And so we are getting to the point

where it's getting closer and closer to where it's simplified that, but I want it to the point where, you know, as you're ingesting it, there's something that's either in you that reads it as it goes down or whatever, and it calculates for you. And I think that would just, that would be cool. Yeah, that would make it easy.

That was kind of the idea I had. It sounds a little silly, but like a fit bit that's tapped into your blood and then is taking your hormone levels. So you know, oh, my left and levels are high. My adrenaline levels are high. Oh, my insulin levels are high. I just ate this.

I just ate that. Oh, I've been working out for two hours. Cortisol is too high and you leave. Things like that. That'd be fantastic. Yeah, I would like real-time biofeedback. One of the big problems. That's a long way away.

One of the big problems with fitness is when you're, there's so much subjectiveness that goes to it, especially in judging intensity I would like a device that tells me what intensity to train at today right now So I'm in the gym and it's telling me this is where you want to train at This is the intensity and as I'm working out I can see if I'm hitting that or if I'm going below or above it My goal is to stay right at it. Something real close to like HRV with more, more, just real time right now. I can see it while I'm doing it. So I know the exact perfect intensity to be able to work out, which will allow me, if you

got something like that, imagine, you could work out every single day and you could probably work out multiple times a day because you know the exact, you can maximize all your adaptations by knowing those things. The perpetual progress. That answers my next question, which was the battle between maximum recoverable volume training versus minimum effective dose training. So I think I know where you stand being in line with the minimum effective dose. Knowing when you're approaching, boom, I hit my sweet spot, I'm out.

Versus the maximum recoverable volume being the threshold once you cross that you're in diminishing marginal returns, meaning how many sets of side lateral raises do I need to optimize hypertrophy of that medial deltoid versus how many it's too many. I'm now into that overtraining zone. So I think you side on the side of, you know, minimum effective dose. I think I think, you know, getting the best results possible with the least amount of work is, I mean, that's just efficiency. I think getting the best results possible with the least amount of work is, I mean, that's just efficiency.

I think that's a human strive for no matter what, why would anybody wanna do more to get the same or less? It just makes in those sense, there's so many things you could do with your time when that time's not being taken up, wasting time, you know, doing things that are not giving you any return. I mean, I love working out, don't get me wrong,

but I also wanna maximize the time that I spend in the gym. And if I'm working out and I've hit that, perfect amount that's gonna give me the results, but I have 30 more minutes in the gym, guess what I can do now, I can meditate, I can stretch, I can do something else, because it takes a long time, like I go to the gym and I'll lift and I'll steam and do a little stretching.

That's like an hour and a half, at least. So if I can really make it as efficient as possible and be able to add other things that I know are good for me, because right now it's like, I can't do long stretching because fuck, I don't have two and a half hours of being a gym. But making it as efficient, a possible creating time for more things. Absolutely.

Well, I like the question too, because it, this is one of those things that will create a little bit of a topic between Sal and Justin and I, where we'll kind of debate a little bit, because there is, who I'm talking to, it depends on how I would answer that or how I would talk to that topic,

because if I have somebody who's sitting in front of me, who is somebody in this room right now, which are all fitness-minded trainers, work out holics right we were trained all the time That person I'm more concerned about you overdoing it It's it's more common just in my experience and all the people that I've trained that are you know the athletic mind or the Trainer type mind we we're always trying to maximize everything. And in fact, most times, we're probably the ones that will overdo it if anything. Then if I have somebody who's the opposite side of that,

this person who is super sedentary, hard never worked out in their life really, and is making this fitness journey, that conversation is a little bit different because I don't wanna tell them too, like I don't wanna tell that person, we wanna do as little as possible to list a change because they're already doing as little as possible.

So, you know, who the audience that I'm speaking to, I think I change my tune with that question. I think that's where Sal's son tan analogy has been as, you know, the most useful for me, which is, you know, you say it better than I do, but I can put you out in the sun for five minutes. And we can get a base tan, but if I put you out there for an hour, I'm going to roast you if you're in office. So I'm going to give you the minimum effective dose. But if you're already very tan, then I have to go towards the side and maybe the maximum recoverable volume, which is how much sun can you handle before I pull you out? So I do think it's client or athlete depending. That number changes.

But it is, it's a variable. The next question, this is not on the physio side, this is more of a personal one. If you could thank anybody along the way, somebody who's inspired you to get to where you guys are with MindPump or along the way with your success in personal training, who would that person be? Oh, easy, easy for me.

Easy for me. My very first mentor and fitness, Don Cardona, a good friend of mine, very, very good friend of mine. He was, when I started in fitness as a personal trainer, I started as a trainer, did very well, became a fitness manager, then, you know, I decided to move to the sales side because I wanted to become a general manager, and then I got this new general manager, Don, a good friend of mine. So, he comes in, I'm the senior sales counselor, which is like the weekend manager.

I don't even know if they have that position anymore. But I was working directly under him and it was great because I was a pit bull. I was a pit bull and it was great working with another pit bull, but someone who also can kind of direct me a little bit. I learned quite a bit working with him. When I left corporate fitness the first time and I bought a gym, it was with him that I ended up working with. But I learned a tremendous amount about work ethic, leadership.

He would give these meetings and would inspire people. And I learned a lot just from watching him. So I'd say he's the very first person that mentored me in this industry. And since then I've had subsequent mentors who I've learned from, but he was the first in original. So I'd have to give him the credit. Take a cool.

Yeah, I want to mind, it just comes to mind. She's been a long time client of mine. And just one of the hardest working, most impactful ladies that's ever been in my life. She's just like, business wisewise has been a huge mentor. So not only being a client, and like this is all just based off conversations you have with your client on a daily basis, and shooting off ideas and like how to grow

and what to pursue. And I mean, this is really what led me down the direction of going outside my comfort zone and then just diving more into these ideas with these two gentlemen here. Go for it. Do a podcast. Do things that you know are going to challenge you. Also pursuing this invention idea and it's been really impactful with helping me consider

all these international, very huge like monumental like things to consider and it's just been a real big help for me. And yeah, so I definitely wanna give her a shot out and listen. Is she a mission? Listen. I think she listens, yeah, she listens occasionally. I know like actually one of her good friends is a manager to 24-hour fitness and they listen to.

So yeah. I think that that's one of the coolest things when you're a trainer is when those relationships become symbiotic. When you start to get things from your clients, when they came to you initially to get something from you and then you start to tap into what they have to offer. Train them long enough, they all be going on.

It becomes pretty amazing. So well-synology. A lot of them will be for sure. You know, my buddy, Mark Baker, Mark Baker was, um, he was a GM at the same time that I was a fitness manager was my first club that I had ran. And we, this was when we just got to know each other. So we weren't even good friends yet. And I just came off one of my, uh, a huge month, I think I smashed goal by like 150% of goal or whatever.

So my DM was coming in the next day and I was excited to see him because of course I just had a great month and couldn't wait to see my boss who was hopefully going to pat me on the back and make me feel good. And he came in and he broke down all the stuff that I was doing wrong like my systems. I, you know, I wasn't highlighting the master appointment book and I didn't have all my all my fit assessments organized in alphabetical order like I should have and you know, I needed to get better about updating my whiteboard and reports and You know, this has always been a weak part of mine

So I was like fuck you know like so right away You know, I was in back of the office and I'm sitting down and I'm working on all this stuff And I'd been busted my ass all day on getting myself all organized and Mark walks up to me And it's about 5 30 or so which in the gym industry we call that prime times This is when the most amount of people are in your gym the most opportunity for revenue And he comes back there and he goes what the fuck are you doing? And I said well, you know, Nagoya came in and he told me that I Wasn't doing this I wasn't doing, I need to work on this,

and he goes, love when I name drop, right? So I'm sure there's a million Nagoya's, right? We should have like a sound effect there, it's like some bus walk. Shhh. Shhh. So Mark walks in and basically shoves all the stuff that I was working on the desk off onto the floor.

And I was like, what the fuck dude? What was that all about? And he says, what are you doing, dude? He says, get your ass out there on the floor and do what you do. And I'm like, no, man, my boss just came in and told me this. And he says, I don't give a fuck what he told you. You're in the position at 20 years old for a reason. You're very good at what you do.

Stop focusing on the things that you're not good at. Focus on what you're good at and be fucking great. And it was like this light bulb had went off in my head. It was the single, it was the single best advice that anybody had ever given me. And it was bad. I've really believed that he made a huge impact on my fitness career and we became great friends with that.

That was excellent advice, by the way. Yeah, it was. It was a great advice. It was just, it was the right advice, the right time for someone like me and it did. It changed, it changed me forever and I, forever, teach set to people and I believe that's a big problem that we have, I think in leadership. I think a lot of people, they get a title and they think that their job is to come in and point out what all their, you know, subordinates are doing wrong. And I think that's just terrible poor leadership. And in fact, what you

should be doing is finding that your subordinates, finding all their strengths and encouraging them to get better at what they already do good. I guarantee you, this people disagreeing with you right now or listening like, no, you got to work on your weaknesses. Bullshit, let me explain something to you. I'll give you a real fear. I'm gonna use an analogy right now that's gonna make my co-host very proud. Okay, we're gonna look at football for a second.

This is true. Hold on to your pants. When you look at football, football is one of those sports where each position has a specific job. That's how football is designed. And this is how companies are designed. Companies work like the game of football.

Each person in a company has a specific job. Now, when you look at football players, if I take a wide receiver, a cornerback, a lineman, a quarterback, a running back, and I line them all up, they look fucking different. They don't, I don't have one well-rounded football player that can play every position. I have players that are great at one position

and probably suck at the other positions, comparatively, right? This is how the most successful companies work. They get people who specialize at what they do and become great at it. They don't take these people and tell them, no, you suck at organization. That's what we're gonna have you focus on. We know you're an excellent sales guy,

but why don't you, no, but hire a fucking person, organize or shift for them and let them go sell. You're right. But I am proud of you for that. You like that. Yeah, so if I thought you're gonna go the chess analogy for that No, oh that's not what to that would fit more. No, that was a great in it That was true, man That's as a great as a manager I used to do the same thing when I managed my teams

I got my best people at particular things and that's what they did as they focused on their strengths And they ended up becoming great. Versus taking great people and making them okay at everything, which is never. I absolutely love him for that. I was the best man in his wedding and we always love that man for that. So it's a great buddy of mine now.

And if it wasn't for him, I for sure would probably be in a different place in fitness and I'm glad I got him early. You know, I'm glad I got that advice early on because it definitely changed the trajectory of where I was heading. All right glad I got him early. You know, I'm glad I got that advice early on because it definitely changed the trajectory of where I was heading. All right. We got more questions.

I have several, but it's all time dependent. Oh, we're fine. Yeah, we're good. We'll go one or two more. Yeah, we'll go. Okay, so I know you guys love supplements. Do you have any horror stories from supplements? So like, for example, I got into working out when Jack 3D was a big deal.

I remember working my way up to three scoops and I was taking the school bus to the gym because I didn't have my license yet. And I was so hyped up. I got kicked off the bus. I ran three blocks to the gym, worked out for four hours, eventually doing this time and time again at 16, I stopped my ability to get an erection had ceased. Completely. Wow. So here you go, this is at 16, and totally transparent, this story's a little bit embarrassing,

but my thing was, okay, bodybuilding.com forums will have the answer to why I cannot get it up. Oh, horny goat weed and trivial, it's perfect. Okay, gonna buy some of that. Two of those don't work. How about three of those? Four of those was not working.

My girlfriend at the time, what's going on? I'm taking six of these at once. Damn. At 16 years old, granted they probably don't do shit anyway, but I'm now taking four supplements that a 50 year old guy is taking because I won't stop taking the Jack 3D. Eventually, I'm like, maybe it could be the pre-workout. It could be. I stopped taking that pre-workout. I'm in class.

Yeah, to buy the hospital. To go to the hospital. Dude, right about the time that bell rang, I thought I might actually die. It was a problem, but again, that's part of the issue with issue with supplements is once you get whether it's supplements or prescriptions, people get into the habit of looking for the answer in the next supplement rather than in the first place. This is very similar to pharmaceuticals. You took one supplement and it produced the side effect that you had to take other supplements to red committee, which then produced their own side effect. I've had clients that'll come in and I'll have them right down their medications and it's like 20 medications long and half of them are to combat the side effects of the other half. Like, oh, I take this for the diary that that one gives, but then if I get constipated, I take this one

and this one, you know, helps fight the headaches that this one causes. And I'm like, holy shit, what if you just stop taking everything, you know, what would happen? My horror story is, so for a while there, you could buy hormones online. They were legal. It was a- That's coming back. It was really-

That's circling back around. A lot of companies are marketing these new DHA derivative pro hormones that are just, you know, one, Androgen or four, Androgen, they're four to Sossera and they become testosterone. Well, the first, when they first came out, it was Androgensthenodownown was the first one that came out. Was that, that is back.

That is back. That's, oh, is it back? Yes, that is back. Then, uh, and these are precursors to hormones, but then they went straight up hormone. Like it was no longer a precursor, you could buy an active... Think about trend, or the counter. It was, it was like trend or one testosterone or whatever. Non-methodic.

And, uh, I took, uh, I don't remember which one it was, but I took it for a while and I started to develop gynacomastia. I actually started to get bich tits from it. Now, they weren't visible, but I could feel it happening. And I don't know what the fuck to do and what was going on. And of course, when you're in that mentality of taking these things, these things, you don't want to stop taking them because you'll lose your gains. And it was, that's probably one of the worst experiences I had because then when I went off, my normal hormone levels were non-existent.

And so I felt like shit for about three months. Not only did I lose whatever gains I had made, I had lost more than I had gained because I had no testosterone. I had shut down my own testosterone. Luckily, I bounced back and now I have the testosterone of four gorillas, but before that,

that was probably my worst experience. It sucks when you're a young kid, and you have no testosterone. I had the same thing with the train over the counter. So I got, I loved the results from the first bottle, and I was so blown away by it that I ran a second bottle back to back and steam week straight. Yep.

And never took anything afterwards, you know, and ended up getting a guy know from it and still to this day, if my hormone levels are not like dialed in perfectly, it's the first thing that it starts to flare up on me. So it's yeah, which was shitty because before that, I had taken all kinds of different steroids. Never had an issue with with guy know, I take some over the counter bullshit and then get this side effect and I thought well that fucking sucks. You know, that's insane.

Right. It goes to show the effectiveness that some of these supplements can have, especially now that they're back out. Oh yeah. Well that's totally the hustle and we've talked about this right. They have this long list of all the things that are banned and illegal and then all it takes is just to slightly take one molecule. Yeah. One to the end of it and now we've got a brand new product. Exactly. that are banned and illegal, and then all it takes is just to slightly take one molecule

out into the end of it. And now we've got a brand new product. Exactly, which is the almost. And by the way, people are at home thinking right now that these supplement companies have like brilliant scientists who are taking and constructing new hormones because they're changing one or two molecules. That's not what they're doing.

You know what they're doing? They're taking rejected hormones. They're going through rejected pharmaceutical company products that by the way, these farm big pharma companies rejected because they were too harsh on either causing liver enzyme to elevate or causing all kinds of other problems. They're looking at these rejected drugs and they're taking those and then going to having China make. Well, that's what that Sarm boom was.

Just six, seven months ago, the Sms, the Androgen receptor modulator, it was just rejected, you know, attempts at keeping tissue on, you know, patients who are in the hospital. You know, you buy these over the internet. We're inside effects too, man. Super strange. People are really like, oh yeah, sarms are great, but once you start to notice your vision,

your night vision gets really bad, then you might need to back off. I'm like, motherfucker, you can go blind. Like, that ain't worth fucking three pounds of muscle, dude. Exactly. Well, Ben Greenfield worth fucking three pounds of muscle, dude. Exactly. Well, Ben Greenfield asked me this question on his show. And I don't think he was happy with my answer. No, he was like, really interested in it.

Yeah, he wanted to really get it into the science and dive into it. And I was just like, this is the way I look at it with something like that. Like, if I'm going to be taking some crazy shit that we don't have very much research around, I'll just do the real thing. I'm just taking testosterone.

I mean, I'd rather take testosterone where I can get it through, actually get it through a doctor and I could have my blood tested and we can look at my hormone levels. We know how that affects the body. There's so much more research and information out there about hormones

that have been around for a long time. Then some shit that who knows how it's going to affect me in the next 10 years. So, I mean, that's just, I do really go nothing at all. And if I'm going to take that kind of risk, I'd rather take a risk because something that we've already got science that proves it works. And I know what to look out for, you know, so. Justin, I don't think you really, because you never really took supplements, right?

Not really. I mean, my story is not really compared to that other than, you know, taking a maybe crazy piece of, yes, beats that's what Adam, like he got me hooked on those. And I definitely saw into the future a little bit, but the problem is my closing ability went up like 90%. Right. You know, there's not a huge side effect with that other than it, I felt like shit. And the other one was just like an excessive amount of protein because that was just pounded into my head as an athlete that I needed to get big by just like overloading my body with this protein powder.

And I used to take like, I don't know if it's cell tech or it's one of those mass builder things, or I would just take like buckets of this and put it in and mix it. So I'd mix this really, really thick blend of like, I didn't even measure it, dude. I just took like just huge scoops and put it in. Like 2000. Yeah.

It had to be like 2000. Then I added peanut butter and raw eggs and like whole milk and oh my god, I just feel bad for the students that are around me in class after I work out. At 6 a.m., I was in class and I shit my pants one time Because I couldn't make it I couldn't make it in bathroom. That story definitely You literally yeah, like parted and then it like splattered Would you do Jeff? I just got up and I just I didn't even ask to get the go to the bathroom or anything I just started belying it to the to the outside I was like It like told people totally heard it, you know

I feel a lot better about my bones. It was bad. Yeah, yeah, I'll take a bone roll. There you go I'm glad I made you feel better. All right, let's go one more question Okay, if you guys could give one tip to an obvious personal trainer, brand new, first day on the job, something that they would not hear typically. So this has got to be something deep. You're a tool for the trade, this one X factor. Jesus Christ. Well, not hustle, not be hungry,

just like a quick, like a quick, be good, maybe it's read this book that I read that really helped me a lot. Something specific that if I was going to take a note home and give to some of these guys, maybe like, you're one takeaway from us. Well, no, not your one takeaway per se. Within the mind pump. Yeah, obviously.

No, that's a huge one. That would be mine. I would be the same. Well, I hate to say the same answer again, but I feel like that advice was so powerful for me. It's something that I make every train or do now is, but it may be elaborate a little bit on what I meant by what Mark had said to me is learning, having enough self awareness to learn what you are good at.

What makes me a good trainer? Are you somebody? Because maybe you're not really outgoing, but maybe you are really technical and you're good with you have this photographic memory like Sal, like you have that ability, like play into that. Play your strength. Yeah, play your strength and dive deeper in that. And maybe you're not that guy

and you're somebody who is super outgoing. Well, be outgoing. And don't be afraid that you're gonna mess up a little bit and don't be afraid that you're not gonna sound like Sal when you talk to somebody like, you gotta be confident in that and continue to. So wherever your strength is, dive deeper into it and continue. And to me, one, it's way more rewarding the journey. That way, you're doing something you love, right?

Like, who wants to study or do something? Staying in character. Yes. Stay, you know, stay in your lane. Stay in your lane. Know your character. Know your role. Know your strength and continue to push and develop that. And the other stuff will come along. Don't get yourself caught up in all the things that you're lagging or that you need to get better. Like I said, that stuff will come. Continue to focus on what you are good at, become great at that skill. I think alongside that, like just, you know, being a team player and not being so egocentric. Um, good tip because trainers are very, very, very, it's so predominant in this industry.

Yeah, like people like work with each other, work with other trainers, work through your problems, work, you know, you get more education and your clients benefit from it. If you step outside of like things, so now address your weaknesses that way. So along with what Adam said about like stick with your strengths and everything, but you know, increase, increase your reach by. Don't be afraid to delegate. Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, bringing other people in that's not your expert, you're not expert in this area, but you know somebody. And you know, just, just either bring them in to your, to your circle or be connected to them somehow and give them referrals.

That's excellent. That's great. Yeah. Got one thing. Use your ears and your mouth and proportion. So listen twice as much as you talk. One of the biggest mistakes I see trainers doing when they're talking to clients on an assessment

is that the trainer is just telling them shit. They're just talking and talking and talking about fitness and this is what we're gonna do on that. Versus listening to the client, listening to what they're looking for, listening to what their goals are, listening to how many days a week they want to work out and what they're willing to commit to, because they'll give you all the information you need

to help motivate them to make the decision to work with you as a personal trainer. So listen twice as much as you talk. That's gonna be my last one. There you go. Listen, if you like Mind Pump, leave us a five star rating review on iTunes. If we pick your review, guess what? You're gonna win a free Mind Pump t-shirt. Mind Pump, leave us a five star rating review on iTunes. If we pick your review, guess what? You're gonna win a free Mind Pump T-shirt. You can also check us out on Instagram at Mind Pump Radio.

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