Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 379: Eating Healthy on a Budget, the Mind Pump Book, Vascularity & MORE

Episode Date: October 7, 2016

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is better for you. No, no one said it was better. I said it smells better. I bet you the rest of the room appreciates me eating this. I don't know. I like to see you healthy. Adam, just in case it doesn't care because he knows that we have life insurance on him. Yeah. I want you to be around.

I'm good. You know what I'm saying? I got like a million, you know, by death. But you're really? Probably. From who? Somebody. Okay.

Do you have life insurance on yourself? Mm-hmm. For your family? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's good. Have to. Yeah, I don't want to die. Adam, do you have life insurance on him? Mm family? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's good. Good for you. Yeah, I don't know. Adam, do you have one of the dick? Do you have life insurance on him?

Mm-hmm. You don't have any? Mm-hmm. So if you die, it's just as you leave bills. Wow. I'm only bills. Who gets all your shit? My sister.

Your sister gets all your stuff? Uh-huh. Dang. I was right now. You're not leaving me anything? I thought you said you're gonna leave me something. My she's. My shoes. Mm-hmm. The one thing I don't want. Can're not leaving me anything. I thought you said you're gonna leave me something remember my shoes

Hmm the one thing I don't want Can I get your Camaro Yes, what the fuck I win he gets the Camaro and I get your shoes You know, it's gonna funny like let's say Adam dies. This is pretend for a second What horrible day what happens when the shoes are like worth three times I was just gonna say like a day. Everybody's horribly sad. And they're like, oh, Sal, Adam, he wanted to, you know, he want to leave you his shoes. And I'm like, oh, you know, even in death, he fucks with me, but whatever. Yeah. And then, and then I go in his shoe room.

And I flower and I find like a diamond encrusted like special sneaker. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I bring it to get a praise and like, oh, this is the fucking. Yeah, that's fine. This is the limited edition, you know, I mean, I bring it to get a praise and like, oh, this is the fucking This is the limited edition, you know, Michael Jordan's butt crack show whatever worth five million dollars Michael Jordan's butt crack I don't know. I'll try to think of something. I'll be worth a lot of money I was trying to think of that The tears of him maybe what are we doing today winning champion? I'm out all day. Can I just tell you right now? Can you just swallow before you talk?

Yeah, hold on. Fuck it. No, he's just a little hard. I'm just gonna stop picking on him. I'm gonna do it. Stop picking on his mouth. If one more person makes a comment about my library work too, I'm gonna get fucking pissed.

No, he's about to kill somebody. You know what? Actually, that was really funny. Yeah, that was probably one of the best names we've had yet. So far, so whoever that was, kudos to you. Yes. I don't mind getting insulted. I'm not even wearing it.

Especially when it's intelligently done. Yeah, do you guys get as irritated as I do by the hypocrisy in the fitness industry by these guys? All these guys, I'd say that they're natural, but that they're not. You know, I try not to get caught up in that stuff because I know a lot of the young kids that's all they wanna talk and ask about,

oh is he not? Isn't that piss you off though? Is he not easy, not easy? Just fucking be honest dude. Yeah. Well, it's just- Don't say anything. It's authenticity.

I hate when people aren't being themselves. Or don't say anything. I don't tell anyone anything. I also believe that that's a part of what we kind of represent to this. I think we're a new wave of fitness and I believe that that's a part of what we kind of represent to this. I think we're a new wave of fitness. I believe that when you talk about, like you're talking about guys that have been in fitness, like a Michael Herne's been in fitness for a really long time.

These guys have been doing fitness and working out for years and so on. So a lot of them have gotten caught up in the old way of doing things, which the old way of doing things was get ro old way of doing things was, get roided out of your mind, get as buff as you possibly can, and then sell supplements and tell people, it was your powder that got you to look like that. It takes. And you can make a lot of fucking money doing that.

So I don't wanna, it's always, you know what? I don't wanna bash individuals or throw certain people out of the bus for being like that, but I think in general that we don't want, we don't want to do that. I'm not going to point out, not going to point out, say we name or anything like that. But, you know, what it is is that's how you made money in the industry. And I feel like we're trying to change that.

We're trying to make it to where there's other avenues and there's other things for people to focus on. And there's other ways to go about having a successful business and fitness. But still, there's still the kid in me that still gets, like I remember, I'll never forget when I first discovered that Arnold took steroids. But it wasn't devastating. Some people think he, you know, there's some people

that still think he hasn't. It's not. The guy even admit, he can talk about it. I know he does. Of course. There are some people now like, I'll post a picture of Arnold, be like, this is back when,

back when bodybuilding was natural. Exactly, that people will compare like now like, oh, it's just got out of control. Like, you know, what happened to like Arnold days when guys get up on stage and they were natural. I'm like, this guys weren't natural, you get. Bodybuilders haven't been natural since I've been a lower dose.

This is the 1940s. It's in steroids were introduced. I, I, no, I remember it, I was devastated when I found out. I was a kid and he was my hero. And then I found out that it took steroids and I was just, I was shattered because I thought I could look like him with training and it was horrible. It was devastating.

That was the whole, whole, whole, whole thing with like, telling, telling everybody it was vitamins. It's your vitamins whole Hogan thing with like telling telling everybody it was vitamins Vitamins kids, you know and get strong and have a Dammn those massive vitamins You would check them in your ass But and so I got but then I got over it and I'm like whatever not a big deal And then you then I would look in the bodybuilding magazines and they would have their natural bodybuilders Where oh this guy's

all natural. I'd be like wow he looks fucking crazy. And then you work in the industry and then you start to meet people and then you know people that know these people or that you meet their dealers and they tell you actually no that person is not natural. I know exactly what they take. And you're just like, fuck man. What? And I don't care, dude, you're gonna take steroids. Mark McGuire is your seamy susses. Well, yeah, I'm not perfect. You know what I'm saying?

We all did order thing. All I'm saying is, don't lie, dude. Come on, man. Mark McGuire is my hero forever. And he still is. And I don't even care. Yeah, but it was like, oh my God, he's getting huge. Yeah, all of a sudden.

It's like, I'm just kidding dude. He got huge. He was cranking a sudden, he's like, I'm just kidding dude. He got huge. He was cranking him. Barry Bond's like, wow. How did Barry Bond's head grow? This is awesome. Man, he got big. And not only did Barry Bond's arms grow, his head grew.

You notice that? Like, wow, what the fuck happened? That's that killer HGH right there. That's the thing. That's exactly what that is. They just sell those bobble heads. No. You know, I have a different opinion with like,

you know, the Mark McGuire is a Barry Bond. So those guys,, I have a different opinion with like, you know, the Mark McGoire is a Barry Bond. So those guys, that's their livelihood. They were fucking, they were, I mean, they kind of had to double down in lie, right? They kind of have to like, Well, they could get kicked out. It was a cream. Yeah.

So that's a little bit different. The guys that I, I mean, it's the people now, like these, the young bodybuilder guys that are, you know, post or put on their page like lifetime natural. It's like, yeah, don't talk about it then. You know what I'm saying?

If you're gonna do it and you wanna try and say supplements or the thing that didn't then by all means, I'm not here to try and stop you. Just avoid the question. Exactly, stay away from it. And when people ask you directly, just say I'd rather not talk about that or whatever, avoid it at all costs,

but coming out and saying that you're all natural and you're lifetime natty and stuff, it's like, come on dude, don't do that. Like that's, that's worse. Cause then you're, you're, you're sitting, you're sitting the wrong message to these young kids that, you know, don't, don't realize it.

Cause I think it's, to me like, you know, if somebody is, if somebody asked a question like on my, my Instagram and they want to talk about steroids, I will avoid it. And it's not because I don't mind talking about on the show, like this where we can address it and we can talk about, because then I can explain myself on a radio show

and talk in depth with it versus just back and forth on social media. So if somebody just straight out said, it was some dumb dick, it was just like, oh, this is steroids, or oh, I bet you're taking trend or something like that. I'm not even gonna engage in that person and talk because they're just being an idiot.

But, you know, if I have someone, I can give people that inbox me and have legitimate questions, say, hey, I'm thinking about competing and getting into this industry. And do I have to take steroids to become a pro? And what's it like? I'll give my time and answer that person honestly and tell them my opinion on all that stuff

and be honest about my usage and everything that I've been through in my experience. Like I have no problem communicating that whatsoever, but to come out there and one, say your lifetime natural and say shit like that, that's a bunch of bullshit, just stay away from it. Who was that guy that that person posted the video on our forum, the guy that's just like, like, documenting all the, all the droids he's taking.

Boston Lloyd. Man, and he, and he, I guess he listed his cycle and what he takes. And that's fucking crazy. Gramps and grams and grams of shit. It's just, it's, uh, it's definitely, uh, no different than, different than any other disorder, bulimia, anorexia, or any of the type of, where people cut themselves or rip their hair out or have weird disorder.

It's a very, it's kind of scary. It's kind of scary how far down these guys are. Well, he could have, he's a, he's being honest about it and I got to respect him. He's a protégé of what's his name? I can't even name it. Oh, you're talking about the big, simple one. One day you may of what's his name? I can't think of his name. Oh, you're talking about the big One day you may what's his name rich? Rich Piana. Yeah, rich Piana. So he's a little rich Piana. He's like 21 or 22 years old. I can't write he's in his early 20s

And I know they used to they've been on YouTube's together and and stuff and and done a bunch of shit And I know he's a big fan of rich or was I I don't know, I don't stay up on fucking drama. What's going on with all those guys now? I don't know if they like each other or not still, but they were, you know, they were. Real housemen. Yeah, right. I don't know that stuff.

But, you know, I know that he's kind of modeled a lot of his, his, you know, social media and talking about steroids from him. And I just think he's just kind of taking it to the extreme. Like he's, he's gotten so much kudos for being honest and real and being upfront. Like thanks for telling us what you're doing and so like that. So cool. Nobody talks about it. Which is a lot of what rich pianos gets like rich pianos talks, which we've said before we someone asked about him a long time ago what we thought about rich and I got respect for him because he talks. Yeah, he's honest, you know, which is far better than a majority.

These knuckleheads out there, but I also think he's a little extreme, you know, guy looks fucking weird. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's me nicely. Yeah, he's fucking his skin and his eyes and his face like he doesn't look healthy to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I know he's flexible and he shows that off a lot

and everything like that, which by the way, that's fucking genetic study looks like that. I don't think he's taking yoga five times a week. Like, that's, you know, just some people have that genetic flexibility and he's kind of a, he's kind of a genetic freak on top of taking a tons of fucking shit. And more power to him, to each their own,

that's your body, do what you want with it, and he talks about it openly, so I got a lot of respect for him. But I do think he looks like a fucking freak and he doesn't look healthy. So just don't lie about it, man. Don't tell people you're natural, or you're not.

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This is why this is why we have a fasting guy to eat healthy on a budget. This is why we have the fasting guide. This is what fasting costs you the cheapest way to go. This fasting has like 15 health benefits behind it and you don't gotta eat a goddamn thing. What a bargain! I'm a bargain hunter. For the price of an expensive meal, out back you can buy our

fasting guide. You know what, this is really unfortunate it's really I it's one of my pet peeves with food you know it's it's pretty shitty that you we can go I mean you could feed a family at McDonald's for under 30 bucks you know I'm saying like you could take your whole family to McDonald's feed them all for 30 dollars

you can't get yourself a fucking a full healthy dinner at like a really nice restaurant that's served the other food. Yeah, exactly. And the other like points to that is like somebody, I'm not saying that he's in this mentality, but like somebody who that hacks asks me that question a lot of times, like, well, I'm also taking this supplement and this supplement. They're spending all this money on all these other supplements on the same point as they're

like trying to lower costs on their food? And then, you know, whereas I'm trying to optimize my food and get rid of some. Well, that's a great point. I didn't even think that in consideration with this kid. Not only that, but I'm gonna call this a myth, and I'll tell you why. If you really wanted to eat healthy in a budget,

it's not that hard. You could go to the growth, it takes a little bit more work. Farmers markets. You could go to farmers, it's gonna, it takes a little bit more work. Farmers markets. You could go to farmers markets. You could go to your grocery store, vegetables, fruits, you know, these things are cheap. You can buy some, you know,

you can prepare your own food, prepare your own meat. It's not gonna cost you that much. Now, can you eat out healthy on a budget? Well, no, that's a lot more difficult. That's tough, yeah. If you wanna go to a restaurant that serves you food that's prepared, that's a lot more difficult. That's a lot more difficult. Yeah, if you wanna go to a restaurant that serves you food that's prepared, that's also healthy, organic and a lot of stuff,

it's gonna cost you more. You can think your corn and wheat and dairy subsidies that make McDonald's so damn cheap. But a grocery store can be just as cheap. You can, like I said, you can go buy some broccoli, you can buy some fish, you could buy tuna fish. If you want that's cheap as hell. Chicken's inexpensive, you could cook it up,

and there you go, you've got yourself a healthy meal. So it really just takes a little bit of priority. It's not expensive to eat healthy. Eating out healthy is a different story. That's a good point. That's a good point, because that's how I was thinking. I'm thinking like if I go to whole foods or go to a place like that where I go pick up a lunch or a dinner like you know you're spending a good 20-30 bucks just for your your own personal meal

for something that good good size. You are and here's the other thing you want to consider too when it comes to your food of all the things that you invest your money on. That's all it is how I do it. You know, if you prioritize those things into where you should put your money to get the best quality to get, to be able to choose what you do, where you spend this money, food is near the top.

It should be near the top. Again, if you're not eating out, if you're eating out all the time, you're gonna spend a lot of money. But if you're not eating out and you still spend a little bit more because you want to make sure that the food is sourced well, it's organic, it's, you know, it fits your nutrition profile.

It's okay to spend a little bit more on food. It's going to save you money in the long run. It's going to save you money in the short run. Shit, you're going to be sick less. Your doctor bills will be less. I mean, diabetes is becoming epidemic and it's an expensive epidemic. You look at the amount of money people spend on their health insurance

and going to the doctor, it's ridiculous. It's expensive being overweight. It's expensive being unhealthy. It feels horrible. You're less productive at work. So it's expensive on the back end too. You earn less money because you're unhealthy because you have less stamina

because you can't sleep as well because you can't sleep as well because you can't move as well. So eating healthy saves you money. To piggyback off of both of you said, I think that are great points. Justin is right. A lot of people that ask this question are taking protein bars and shakes

and artificial shit and supplements like wasting money on that type of stuff. And then the other thing is over consuming protein because protein is the most expensive piece of everything you're eating healthy. Yeah. The most expensive piece is the protein. And are you still consuming, you know, one to 1.5 to two grams of protein per pound of body weight?

And if so, there's your first way of cutting back it or saving money is lay off all the protein. And it's most certainly if you're still buying bars and shakes and wasting your money on process, fake shit that probably don't even have half the protein in it, you're definitely burning money. So those two ways alone could save you money. Then like South Setting,

I'm going to a good place to go to your grocery store and buy your meals. I mean, it does. It takes a little time, takes a little work and discipline, but if health is your priority and that's important to you and you are on a budget, it most certainly can't be done, you know? It can, I mean, okay, let's look at carbs sources, okay? You want to eat carbohydrates, yams, potatoes, rice,

cheap as fuck, inexpensive, vegetables. You can get vegetables inexpensive. You can get fruit inexpensive. Protein sources can get vegetables inexpensive, you can get fruit inexpensive, protein sources, chicken is inexpensive, tuna fish is inexpensive, there's sales on beef all the time at the grocery stores that you can find. Well, I wouldn't go as far to say is those things are inexpensive. When I say expensive, I can and stay, and organic meat is not cheap. You, if you keep your eyes peeled,

there's sales all the time. I go to Safeway all the time and it'll be way less orange. Yep. I mean, that's how peeled I am. I'm peeled too, right? Let's see. I'm, yeah. Peel, I don't see no sales on but-

I'm gonna meet you and me. You would be surprised. Costco, go to Costco. Costco, you can get, you know, organic chicken and beef. Well, a lot less. Listen here, baller. It's, uh, it's still, it's still expensive for a college student who's going to, it's not, every time I go to Costco, because I got to where I shop, you know, Costco, whole foods and safeware of my three places, uh, it's, it's a $300 bill. That's not cheap, dude. It's a, it's not, and most of everything I'm getting

is everything you literally just listed. I'm all I'm getting is fruits, all I'm getting is maybe some rice, some sweet potatoes, yeah, I'm seeing things like that, lots of vegetables, and basically meat, but I am getting organic meat and organic meat already is more expensive than frozen fucking foster farms or what I'm like that. Yeah, but if you looked at the list of priorities

in terms of what you should look for in your food to be healthy, I hate to say organic falls under, are you eating the right amount of calories? Do your macros balanced? Are you eating whole natural foods? And then organic kind of comes towards the bottom. Okay. If you're trying to save money,

but you're eating whole natural foods, you're gonna do okay without going organic. Organic is another level that I would say you Let's talk about that for a second because I wanted to make a point with someone with that too. This is that's a really good point So I think there's priorities of what I get organic versus not to yeah for sure So things that are More susceptible to like a pesticide that you would like for like a strawberry. Yeah, you eat, yeah, right? Strawberries or fruits that you eat the skin

and you bite the whole thing that aren't, there's no protective cover of it. That's true. You know, that would be, I'm more, I'm more apt to get my organic there. And if I was gonna skip on something else, well like avocados, you don't need to get organic. Exactly.

They have a very thick skin that prevents the pesticides or whatever. That you don't get exactly. So there are foods that that's something to think about. When you consume this food, do you bite right through it or is it something you got appeal or something that you have to crack open?

If you have to crack it open or you have to peel it, that might be something I save a few bucks on and not go organic because I was trying to save it. Now, mind you, I'm always trying to go organic, but if I'm fighting with anybody, it's Katrina. She's always trying to save a dollar and there's nothing that pisses me off more than when I get home. And I see that we saved $75 on our groceries, but it's because we got everything that wasn't organic. So for me, I'd rather, to me, like you mentioned before, it's about, you know, it's what we fuel our body with. So I'm willing to spend the extra money for that. But

those are some strategies for you on, you know, if you had to make a decision like, okay, I can't afford everything organic because I can get really expensive or I can't afford to go to whole paycheck and grocery shop there. So I gotta go somewhere else. I'll say, I wonder if you could start a go fund me meat campaign. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, stop eating out, prepare all your foods, even though they're healthy organic, you'll save money. You're right. You're right. Taylor made 78.

Does vascularity mean anything other than just being lean? I can tell Adam picked these questions today. I'm so vascular. Well, yes, it does mean one of that. You, they will surface when the body is trying to cool, right? Or it'll submerge when they're trying to stay warm. So when we're really hot, which is why you notice when we're in the gym working out hard and sweating,

or you're in a sauna, it's like a hundred degrees outside, you're really vascular. That's your body trying to cool the blood off by your vein surfacing and coming to the surface. So vascularity could mean that it could deal with genetics, could be lean, and it could be that. Can you think of any other one? I mean, hydration, I'll notice if I, if because I don't eat carbohydrates a lot, when I do eat them, I'll notice the vascularity start to come out. You know, that has to do with, you know, being hydrated, sucking in more water. Does it mean anything? Gosh, I don't know. I don't, there's not much you can tell.

I mean, there's definitely vascularity that has to come from things like that, you know, varicose veins and those types of things that don't, don't necessarily mean much other than being kind of an Isoar. And so people will get treatments for that. Spider veins. Yeah, I mean, can you, you can get more of those theoretically because you're, you know, not moving and standing like people who would who used to work at stand desks all the time or work at, you know, like

as registers. They're more likely to get those up with, you know, how people wear registers, they're more likely to get those up. How people wear compression socks and all that to try and prevent, does that really help? I think it will reduce the amount of pressure that goes to those veins. And so it keeps them from getting that way. I don't know. That's a good question.

How would compression keep? They'll put, people who have varicose veins or painful varicose veins, they'll be told to put to wear compression socks. Or preventatively, if it's in your family, some people wear those at work. Yeah, I don't know. Who would be a good person to ask

would be the doctor that we had on the show. He was a vascular surgeon, so he'd be good to ask some of these questions. But vascularity, for the most part, as you get leaner, it comes out more. And... Which I would say is the main part, right? Like somebody who's like, who wants more of masculinity, I would, it's usually guys to, I never, for the most part, I never had a woman be like,

oh, I want to be more vany. Some girls do, especially nurses, nurses dig veins. Yeah, nurses, nurses, they want to give in here. Yeah, they want vany. Yeah, yeah, they do. Uh, I like them. I'm a fan. But a lot, I would say the two big ones, when you say is genetic and lean, right? I mean, you genetically are more vascular than the average. I am somebody who has always been

pretty vascular, even when I'm at a high body fat percentage, I still can see a lot of my veins. And then when I get lean, it gets really crazy. So, do you get anyone across your torso? Of my abdominals? Yeah. Yeah. When I get really, I get too, and that's funny too, you say that, because there's, when I know I'm getting really lean, I can see the first one, and then I have a second one that starts to show itself on my lower abdominals when I get, when I sort of get down to about

5% body fat. Yeah, that same here. I'll see some of my abs, and then I have some come across my shoulders. Yeah, I'll just see one, you know, my main vein. Oh God, I'm so much. Boom. Let's go to the next question. Fuck.

Our Tyler Farar. What are you guys going to write a book? Oh, that's a great question. We should all guess the book that each of us would write. Can I say I'm going to write a book? Yeah, like, like, what would be the book? Okay, like I'll start are we being funny? Are we being serious like I'll be still start like Adam Yeah, I know Adam would write a book His with his own words Adam's lexic Adam isms

You know my buddy. I would start my what inspiring. I was start my own e-bondix You know, my buddy, I would start my what is firing I was start my own e-bottomics Adam bonnicks. Yeah, yeah, I don't know I fuck you. I want to write a book for a while But I don't know quite what I'd want to write I won't probably write a book on fashion. That's why I think you would I Do Boom probably that man. I got my trucks and my black socks on I would probably write one all about like my stories I got my trucks and my black socks on. I would probably write one all about like my stories. Yeah.

Yeah. That's awful. Sci-fi. Actually, this is something that Doug has been harping on us for over a year now that we need to do. In fact, it's kind of in the formula for us to get rich. And we're just lazy about getting rich. We enjoyed talking and giving free information out that we have

no interest of getting rich anytime soon. What kind of book would you write? Well, it's a seriousness. Yeah. Well, we're going to write a book about our whole story and everything. That's what we plan to do. Yeah, at some point, but if I was going to write a personal one, the idea is that you guys, yeah, I actually have talked about it before. I want to share my my journey through the cannabis industry. I think that It I've got some pretty crazy shit that I've been through the only reason why I haven't because I'm kind of afraid Kind of afraid to to share too much Because I think it would be I think it could sell I definitely think it could sell because It was pretty it was pretty wild and I have a lot of things

that happened and I was part of the front end of that. I mean, San Jose has like what, fucking 150, 200 of them suckers now. And I was number three and number four. So there was only two before us, the laws where they're at now, we were nowhere near that. So when I was getting involved in it, it was like we literally were like the pioneers of it. So, I was down at city hall meetings and battling with the city and with the government officials and lying to the city on what we were doing and our landlord and every week wondering

if we're going to get shut down and get raided, all kinds of stuff like that. And then the business is still going from this kind of gangster side to like this medical professional side. And, you know, I was a part of both ends of that and the merging of the two. So yeah, I've thought about riding that, but you know, I have a hard time spelling my name, so I don't think that's gonna be my-

Yeah, someone else riding for you. Yeah, that's what I have to do. Well, that's why we have to get rich first, and then I could pay for a ghost rider, and then maybe I'll to do. Well, that's why we have to get rich first and then I could pay for a ghost rider and then maybe I'll do it. Well, I feel like this question is, you know, he was asking it because most of the know of, like, maybe we're collaborating together into a book, right?

Like a fitness book. Yeah, like fitness-related ones. Well, that's what I, isn't that how you read it? Yeah, I have. That's what I think is what Doug wants, right? Yeah, but I have an idea for a book that we could write that I think would be fucking excellent. Oh, I think we could write a fitness tell all book.

I think we could talk about the ins and outs of the fitness industry from working in the industry because of all the stories we've told on this show, there's about 10, you know, times of many stories that we couldn't tell. What it's really like, what the wizard really looks like behind the curtain. You know, what it really looks like to sell memberships and produce revenue. What the companies really do, what the meetings are really like, the underbelly of the corporate

fitness world, we got stories. And unfortunately, I think we probably heard a lot of the people that we are still friends with because they still work in that industry. But there's a lot of shit we could tell man that. It'd be a tell all, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you guys know exactly what I'm talking about, some of the stuff that we saw and did. Well, one of the biggest... I think that would be a great book.

I'll tell you one of the biggest mistakes ever. I think it's how we're gonna make everybody else money doing what we're doing. What do you mean? The unfitness. Wow. Like we're gonna tell them, we're gonna tell them, we're gonna give them an idea. Well, that's kind of like the story of mind-bumped. That's what I mean.

Yeah, I think that in itself, because it will, it'll provide value to people that are entrepreneur, that's what I think he's getting at from my perspective. Oh, and we've, I mean, the evolution of this, and we've mentioned this several times, I think on the podcast of, you know, we're still far from done and we're at the evolution of this and we've mentioned this several times I think on the podcast of you know We're we're still far from done and we're the direction where all this is going

We first have to finish all the programs and the maps right that all out and get to ourselves With our app and that and that and everything that needs to happen Then we can start to and then we had to show everybody first to like you can't just come out teach people to make a million dollars Till you do it. So yeah, it's interesting because the book is like, it's still kind of a, holds this weird standard. Like, once you write a book, even though we've been doing all this stuff, like, but once you have the book, like you can get on the tour, which the tour brings you on the daily talk shows with all these weirdos.

That's a good point. You know, and then it's like, now you're on national television, and I think Doug knows it. That's why he's been bugging us about. Yeah, because it's like a stampus. Formula. Getting on Amazon. Even though we have all the information like over and over

and we've written most of it already out, we just haven't put it together in book form. You know, it's funny. There's a whole strategy that people have. When they write a book and then the way that they categorize it on Amazon, it limits their competition, and then they can call themselves an Amazon top five best seller,

and then they put that on their business card and introduce themselves that way. And a couple of strategies they use, one is they give the book away for free, so they even sell the book. The whole purpose is to get as many books out there as possible, so that they can rank high in the sub-category that they picked of, you know, like,

fitness, business, advice, you know, we're the only competing with three of the books. And then you can say, you know, hi, my name is Salda Stefano and I'm an Amazon bestseller. Yeah. And it's part of a strategy to build what's the word authority. Yeah. People want this like compartmentalized system. Yeah.

I'm saying, oh, wow, this is the whatever diet. But if we did, whatever we did, if we did write a like, oh wow, this is the whatever diet. But if we did, whatever we did, if we did write a book, I would want it to have real value. I'd want it to be really something or gonna, you know, people, people, information, naked pictures,

all that stuff with the end of the picture. Tell all, you know, Sal's weird, you know, bedroom story. It'd be a coloring book. Yeah. I think that coloring book. Yeah. Yikes.

Dan Willie, do you ever have client tag? Yeah, yikes. Dan Willie, do you ever have client tag, tag along, or work in with you during your own time? Do you think that's a bad idea? So he's asking about having clients work out with you? Yeah. I've had many clients ask me to work out with me. And here's how I've handled that situation.

If I'm friends with them and we're cool, I will work out with them, but I don't charge them. I've seen trainers do this to where they work out with their client and their clients actually paying for that workout as a session. For me personally, it feels, it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel, I don't know, it doesn't feel professional. I almost feel like you're taking advantage of that hour

because you get to get your workout in and your clients paying you to do it. Oh, 100%. You know, so is it a bad idea? No, it's cool, workout with your clients. It's a lot of fun. I've done it many times, but don't charge them for that workout.

It doesn't feel, it just doesn't seem right to me to be able to do that, you know? So I don't at all. I can count on, although I shouldn't say at all, I can count on one hand in 15 years where I've worked out with a client. And 100%, there's no way I would even think about charging. That's what trainers would do.

That would be, I would light a tray, you would get fired if you worked for me and you did that. That's like unacceptable. So, and trainers, trainers were notorious for doing this for working out with clients. If I caught you charging a client and working out with them, I don't give a fuck if they said it was their best work out of their life.

Like, uh-uh. Like, that's your job is to train them not to work out. You're selfish. It's whether they, like I said, whether they asked for it or not and say, oh, it's super motivating to work out with you. I get it. I get it. I get all the excuses and reason.

That's not your job. I don't do it for that exact reason too. I've, man, for years, Katrina is probably the first, first girlfriend of mine that I, you know, her and I trained two days out of the week, pretty consistently, and have consistently for several years now, I wouldn't even work out with girlfriends. That's just, to me, that's so business for me that I

try and separate that, I try and treat this like a doctor-patient type relationship and I don't like to cross those boundaries. And if I ever tried to train a girlfriend in the past and they would giggly and this and that, like I couldn't do it. I take this job so serious that I want to have a bit of a wall there. I mean, I could go even further with this where I've worked with people that have been attached to me that were working underneath me that were spending an excess amount of time with these clients. I saw that red flags everywhere for me where that was gonna go and what they were actually trying to do They were the type of personality that were leaching they were taking you know from

You know these clients that I handed down and just just to get in and and to get more friendly and it was just like it was weird It was creepy. It's like what are you doing? Let's keep it professional. Let's keep it in the gym. Like, you're paying me here, this is what's happening. Let's all keep it as a business. Here's the other thing too. If you, even if you do start working out with a client, let's say you train someone twice a week, okay?

So they're your client, you train them, they pay you twice a week. But you decide, hey, an extra day a week, let's just work out together. I'm not gonna charge you, me and you extra day a week, let's just work out together. I'm not going to charge you. Me and you are going to work out. We're going to work out as friends. Here's, you've put yourself in a pretty tough situation now. What if you decide you don't want to work out with them after a couple of months because you value your workouts and you don't want to work out with your client anymore. You still want to train

them. Now you got to get a break up with them. Now you got to tell them like, listen, I don't want to work out with you anymore, but I'm still going to train you. That client is likely going to fire you. They don't want to train with you anymore because you've heard their feelings. You've made this kind of commitment. You've become workout partners.

So it's one of those lines you don't want to cross. It's exact. And there's a ton of other scenarios, just like the one you just gave that can happen and could happen and probably will happen. And that's the reason why it's like, I know I didn't give a ton of other scenarios just like the one you just gave that can happen and could happen and probably will happen. And that's the reason why it's like, I know I didn't give a bunch of reasons why I don't, but there are. And that's a great one right there.

And it's just like this, like you start giving them that you want to hold to me like training with training with me. I want it to be, I want you to value it. Like it is so special like it's You to get one hour of undivided attention from me is that's why you pay top dollar you pay top dollar because you get this Excellent service if I blend it and make it be like oh two days a week I make you pay a hundred fifty dollars an hour see me and then on Friday we work out together It devalues that a hundred and fifty150 an hour session that you spend with me.

And I don't want that to be murky at all. Like, it's just cut and dry. Like, if I'm giving advice, I'm training you and working at you out, you're paying me. And you're paying me what I'm worth, and we're not merging the two. Yeah, I think the only time I've actually even done that is when one of my clients came back that You know from school and I wasn't gonna train him anymore, but like it you know I knew his ability and and he could hang in one of my workouts. I'm like, yeah, dude. Let's do this You know, let's hang out and workout, but it's just a hangout

It's not it's not like I'm working them out. I'm getting a payment for that like at that point It's just he's a friend and we're working out. Yeah Well, you you better be ready to accept if you're someone who's not gonna take this advice and you're still gonna go ahead and do it Then just be ready for that is that the likelihood that person's gonna keep paying you It's just like what happens when you sleep with a client Yeah, you think that client still keeps that chick keeps paying you She paid you for three months because she wanted to fuck you. Then you fuck her. And then now she's not going to train. Now she's going to pay you anymore. Why would I pay you? I'm sleeping with you and you're working me out. Like, why don't you just keep

working me out? Like, that's what I'll have. I have to turn into say the same thing happens with someone that is non-sexual. I mean, that person who was paying you and was used to having to spend that kind of money to get your, your attention and your time when it comes to fitness now is getting a big chunk of that that because they get to work out with you and it's going to devalue your training. And the likelihood of that person still continuing to train with you and pay you has just diminished. There's a certain level of professionalism that you need to maintain as a trainer. If you want to be a personal trainer for your career, if this is what you're going to always do and you want to grow your business,

the biggest struggle I see for personal trainers is maintaining that level of professionalism because you train these people for years, you become close to them, you know their family, you become friends with them, but always maintain that certain level of professionalism where you're the trainer, they're your client, and you kind of got to keep that barrier. Otherwise, you're gonna find yourself in some situations where you're gonna find, there's gonna be difficult situations where you're gonna have to make decisions, you're gonna have to tell them,

hey, listen, I can't do this with you anymore, or hey, you know, it's time to renew, and they're gonna tell you, oh, I don't have the money, but I'll pay you next month, and then you're gonna feel weird asking them to pay or if they all of a sudden no show on you five times in a row, but they're your friend. And it's hard for you to tell them to pay for those

sessions that they didn't show up for. It just, it fucks everything up. And I've seen too many trainers who are very, very good at what they do, screw up their business because they cross that line over with their clients to where it's just their all friends. That works it if you're thinking long-term.

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