Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 384: Craig Capurso Stops By- Bonus Episode

Episode Date: October 15, 2016

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We got the house today. You're about to hand some, my fuckers. You're about to hear us interview our very good and favorite guest, old friend, Mr. Craig Capurso, and this upcoming episode. And we basically just talk bullshit. Well, since we got him, can we,

let's just have him, Craig, I want you to give me a rundown on all the things that you're doing right now business. We're going to find all of everything that we can put out there as far as you got events or porn sites, everything. Anything you have coming up as far as donation, shit, anything like that. What do you got going on? Hello. Greg Perso here.

You can always follow me on social media at Greg Perso. Figure out how to spell it though. I'm sure they'll tag you somewhere else. But Met um, metron.io and I'll spell this out for you so you don't mess it up. M-E-T-R-O-N-D-I-O. This is the current start up that I'm at. We're expanding. We're going to China. We're going all over the place. I'm currently in town working out of the office. But, uh, in town, rather just hang out with my guys because I have a charity fundraiser this weekend. It's called the Deccaathlon.org. We're basically raising money for Memorial Sloan Ketter and another Cancer Foundations.

Obviously, the cause is real to me. My mother had stage three breast cancer and the founder has also had some similar instances. So we're in town for a 10 event charity sports fundraiser and that'll happen. San Francisco, it cocks stadium at the San Francisco University. You're right on. Beautiful. I got self-excited San Francisco University. You're right on. Beautiful. I got cel excited.

All right, so here you go. We're going to interview Mr. Craig Perso. Hey, so do you guys have a good time? You're the other night or what? Oh, at the wrestling. Well, you do. It's fun. It was like a weird nostalgia, you know, like, I don't know.

Well, Craig and I were the only ones that had ever been to one before, right? You two had never been to one. He'd been. I saw him watch it on TV. Craig said he bounced one, right? You bounced one as a kid. Yeah, I was kind of heart for a bridge for bridge for Connecticut when I was in college and they called on bunch of football players to bounces so we were right next to the stage but the funny thing is those guys are wibbig in us. I was just gonna say you have to be a serious bad

ass to be a bouncer for fucking WWE dude. That's a big deal. I like six, seven, huge. I want to see Hulk Hogan's bodyguard. I mean, back in the day. How do you bodyguard? How do you even do that? That was the era too of having the member, like MC Hammer and some of that, he went bankrupt because he had like 100 people on his payroll. That was just, oh my God, it was family.

Yeah, no like 50 extended family. 50 of them was just his entourage wherever he would win. He just had like, he had like, fucking 40 buff dudes, and he had like a backup dance team. He had like, a huge parachute pants. 10 girls. Oh, oh, oh. I'm sure, I'm sure back then in Hope Hole.

People laugh at your jokes, just walking around and shit. I mean, I'm joking. You're based on the way you cry. Yeah. Oh man, you crazy. You guys don't have that now. No. We're working on it actually.

We actually jumped about that. We said we'll be building this next week. We went on a lot of traffic. Yeah, we told Doug, he's gonna do like a laugh track. So every time we say something, we get that audience laughs in the back for like a sitcom. Wouldn't that be awesome?

I just feel like, yeah, some funny always. I mean, especially when Justin does a little one line or sometimes that are so fast, I hate people tell me all the time that they don't catch him till like the second time you listen to an episode because it's like, you have to listen to mind pump stone and listen to it backwards. Yeah.

Yeah. So he did it in slow motion. It sounded like we were all drunk or like had some kind of like slow. So I didn't even discover that till not that long ago. You can listen to a podcast at half speed or like one and a half or two times speed. Oh yeah. I think that's the funniest thing ever. You just now discovered that.

You know why I discovered that? Because my friends like, man, I love your podcast, but you guys talk so fast. I'm like, yeah, I know we talk a little fat. And I'm like, this isn't sound right. So I'm like, let me hear, let me look at your phone. And she headed on one and a half without realizing. So like, put it on. Imagine how annoying that would be. How many episodes? I would hate us. She has like 15 episodes in her belt. She's like 15 episodes in her belt She's like, God, it's just really tough to catch everything you guys exactly Guy Gary Vee asked Gary Vee was a book when I'm away when I moved from California to Tennessee

It like one and a half speed it was like fire. Just listen to this guy just It's awesome. You ask for machines. You actually listen to a whole book and get out of here one and a half speed Yeah, wow, I would think they would like fuck up my timing. It depends on any of that You actually listen to a whole book and get out of here. I wouldn't have speed. Yeah. Wow. I would think that would like fuck up my timing. It depends on any of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Any of that digest. Oh, everything. I mean, the guy was, he's just on fire and you're just taking it in. I was driving across countries so I need to sound to stay up. Oh, no. When you're driving, I mean, it's so mindless, right? Yeah. That's the best time.

Still, I feel like though it would, it would fuck up your rhythm a little bit, right? With them for the driving. Just moving after that. You'd be faster. You'd be fast forward. No, they're good. For the driving. Just moving after that. You'll be in faster, you'll be in fast forward, no, there. I want that. How you doing, Craig? We're good, man.

How's the training? Up and down. You're doing the CrossFit style stuff now. Yeah, well, it's a hybrid approach at this point. I mean, I've learned that I can't CrossFit right now by the letter, just based on the mobility and the lack there of what I can do for exercises. So instead of not training, just working mobility straight, I decided to put back somewhat

of a, I don't know what you want to call bodybuilders approach, but just more muscle building, more things that are going to help pump up muscle and not lose size as I'm trying to increase my capacity. Sorry, you mixing it up. Like some days you're doing your traditional lift thing and then you're throwing in your, have you lost gain muscle? What's changed? Well, I lost 10 pounds in China.

So, yeah, that's different. Yeah, that's kind of just a whole bunch of you. You're still massive in China. Yeah, that thing's still going on. It's pretty fun when you go to a massage parlor. You feel pretty good about yourself. Really? There's, but the list's really,

tell us more. We went to the, let's have the end. There was no happy end. I hope the story what the story is. Tell us more. We went to the end. There was so happy ending. I hope the story hasn't happy ending. Hey, we went to this my last night there. They brought us up to this place and I don't know the name of it. Obviously it would be something I wouldn't be able to pronounce here anyway, but it was like an eight story massage place.

Eight stories. It was eight stories. It was like the bottom floor. When you walk in, you just give them your shoes and they give you like this clip and then you just basically go into the men's room. Then you get naked and there's like this freaking pool of, there's like multiple pools, world pools

all these things where you can eat facials, foot massaging for all the guys, crazy, crazy experience that I've never seen, but point of story is, you go out there and you're just like this giant and then you got all these little Asians, so it's like, you can feel good about yourself. And it works in both ways. Where people just learn it.

In front of them, they were actually. They were. I was like, God's the love. Oh, I'm sure. That's Japan, by the way, but going. Yeah. There we go. Boom.

Dick. What did you, so when you were, I want to go back to the bouncing. How long were you bouncing for? Was it like a one night thing? A month of pro wrestling? Yeah, yeah, when you were doing that, did you do that for a long time? No, it was really just kind of a contract at a stage. They just were in town.

Obviously, the WWE or WWE, they travel all the time. They're not always there. I can imagine it was crazy though. Those fans are weird. Oh they, it's a, it's a different fan group for sure. And it's funny that I just posted like two weeks ago that there was an arcade game in Knoxville

when I was out there for this, this charity fundraiser thing that was going on. And I posted this old school video arcade of WWF, like back school, bam, bam, big low, the warrior and all those things. And now two weeks later we're here doing it. And we're like, dude, you must be a fan, huh? I was like, I'm into this.

It is kind of random, that just happened like that. But I thought it would be cool, because none of us had probably done that either, either ever, like these two, or you and I, a long, long time. Mine was even longer. He was like, shit, like 10, 12 years old, the last time that I did something like that. I was so fascinated with the business side of it.

That was, you buy tickets to go to a commercial. That's how the whole thing is a commercial. Like in between every match, there was like, they were doing like, you know, showing commercials for their toys or their new cereal or something. Do you think those commercials were aired or would they just local?

Just local. No, that's pretty cool. That's why I was fascinated with it. What I saw was, okay, but they yet they partnered with big companies, so it was What I saw was, okay, but they yet they partnered with big company. So it was like Taco Bell, KFC, I mean, so you know that's a big contractor, a big deal, right? But then those were, and they used their, their wrestlers to do commercials that probably

only those people that venue saw while they were there. Yeah, because we saw a chicken get beat up in a commercial that wouldn't happen in reality. Yeah, it's rough, cruel Sanders. It's just like, it's choking fools out. Like what? Probably one of the best commercials ever. That was great, actually. It was the one that stood out for me, so.

100%, right? So I feel like they literally have just learned how to target market like hardcore. And it was felt like it was like a four-hour commercial. I mean, when you really do the math on how much actual wrestling that we saw, well, I just can't believe they get away with that because you don't see that at concerts.

No, people would get super pissed. Well, I think that's what. Wow, that's a good point. Yeah. You know why? I think it's because people know they already know that they're going to go see. No, that's what they did. It's because it's part of the entertainment. That's what they did. That's what they did so well. That's why I thought it was so fancy because you felt, look at we all remember that damn commercial. It's that because we were all watching it. It sucked us in. I think that's who we don't forget. It's wrestling. They have to set up stage.

They have to have people like fall underneath the mat and like hide themselves and different things come off the stage, set up the intro's outro. So there's a whole event that's going on every time there's a match. Yeah. That's true about that too. So there's that whole downtime where they need to tell you otherwise they're just going to jam music and you do nothing. Right.

Which I think that's probably how that evolved, right? I'm sure that was a natural evolution to that like what the fuck do We do at least people can watch us change the stage and do you mission Yeah, yeah, instead of intervention will these cool commercials and then wound up selling and partnering with like Taco Bell and KFC and should make Fuck turn around a million dollars I was impressed with the athleticism of those girls the girl wrestlers. Yeah, we're freaking amazing What's there? I don't know the name. I don't know, it was girls that don't earn athletic. No, I'm just, no, no, no.

Sexism on a girl. Exactly, my fault. You raised this, I'm talking, I say, no, I'm talking about the disco-y chick or whatever, that jumped off the top ropes and like flipped and landed on the neon line. Man, that requires some serious skill. Did you watch it on TV or did you watch the live version

from the sky box? Thank you when we were sitting. Yeah, thank you. No, we were sitting up there I was watching the whole thing when she climbed the top rubber and she gonna jump off that thing and land on that Chicken she did it. Yeah, yeah, she hit it right as much as it's fake. We all get that they do some crazy stuff and like I was just the city of the outcome is fake, but they're actually getting hurt and shit. Yeah We were sitting there and we're like, dude Do you want to just jump on my shoulders and like land on your back right now? No, no, we don't. No thing. So these guys are doing it and it's they're moving. They're like slamming themselves on the mat. Well, and I think that's the

argument that we cause there's do. There's I know guys my our age that are still watching and heavy into wrestling, bro. And they're not like they still have a home. No, they're, you know, have a four one K and make you advice to like have your own house and like, yeah, no, like I got buddies I know that are like that and they're they're into it and that's what they'll tell you it's entertainment I it's mindless entertainment the same reason why somebody watches soap operas or reality TV and stuff It's they like being entertained they find it fascinating. They can argue all day long how athletic those guys are and they're they're they're they're acting They're doing something that's challenging, you couldn't get out there and do that.

So, White, you know what I'm saying? Like they'll defend it just like that. That's exactly what it is. They have schools dedicated to training people to teach them how to become pro wrestlers. But you guys every hear the whole story of Hulk Hogan, how he kind of got into it. He went to, I don't know the name of the school,

but he went to a school that was run by this Japanese guy who apparently trained lots of pro wrestlers, but the Japanese guy was a legit grappler, like a judo, a jitsu guy, whatever. So Hulk goes in there and he's a, fuck, he's a big son of a bitch, right? He's like six, seven, just a big dude. He walks in there and it's this little Japanese guy

and he says he wants to learn and the Japanese guy said, no, I'm not gonna let you come. And so he ended up pestering him, pestering him. So finally, he said, why don't you wrestle me let you come. And so he ended up pestering him, pestering him, so finally he said, why don't you wrestle me first, and then we'll see if you can come in. And he ended up breaking Hogan's foot. He got him in a leg lock and broke his foot.

Hogan showed up the next day with the cast and said he still wants to train, and that's when he took him on as a student. This was a story that actually told himself on some documentary. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Yeah, I've never heard of it before.

He broke his leg and then I like him more now. Yeah, I did cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I've never heard of it before. He broke his leg and I like him more now. Yeah, I did too. I thought that was pretty cool. So what do you, so what do you have to Craig, what do you, what do you come in down here for just visiting friends, family? Well, since I'm a bit of a Tennessee, obviously you guys know that whole story.

But back in the Bay area, because this weekend, I'm going to be doing, I'm the head judge of this thing called the de Catalan. Started off in Wall Street when I was there is a 10 event, sporting event, raising money for foundations, for cancer foundations. Oh, wow. We are raising money for Memorial Sloan-Ketter and Cancer Foundation. I'm not sure which foundation we're raising money for here, but this is the first year

that they've actually expanded from the New York scene. So we're doing five cities this year, New York, Boston, Chicago, Houston, San Francisco. And so what are you judging? I'm the head judge because I was a competitor before. And the events are like, I think they start off with a 400 meter. Then we get into, I believe, a football toss, a 40 yard dash, a shuttle, a bench press contest, a pull-up contest, a dip, a row, and a 100 meter at the end. I hope I covered all 10. I might have missed one.

But there's a lot of subjectivity to the sport and a lot of people are doing half wraps or partial wraps or those other things. So when I was doing it, I was getting so pissed because I'm sitting here doing these real reps and then I'm getting knocked because of my score. I mean as much as we're raising money for foundation I'm gonna hold a wheel, I'm gonna take the credit.

I'm gonna hold a competitor. That's our boy, I was the biggest competitor. I was the biggest complainer back in the day and I was like, what the fuck? We're just gonna hire you, you said. I was the biggest competitor. I was the biggest complainer back in the day. And they're like, fuck, we're just gonna hire you that headgear. You open your kids. You know what I mean?

So, you know, fast forward. Now I'm the headgear to torn with these guys, making sure that I can kind of keep the subjectivity to a minimum, you know, my rules. This is the way it should be. Everyone needs to get on board. So we're trying to make things easier because you want the same judging field in New York

as in Houston, as in San Francisco, as in Chicago, et cetera. You don't want, you know, hey, the same judging field and New York isn't Houston, is in San Francisco, is in Chicago, et cetera. You don't want, you know, hey, you got strict judges in New York because that's where it started and then you go to these other places and it's not the same. Now, who competes in this? It started off with just financial services

at a Wall Street, but now it's kind of pretty much open. So I think the deal is you got to raise between like $2,500 to $5,000 per competitor or per group. There's teams that compete as well, but all the money, all the raising of the money actually goes straight to the foundation. So it's a 501c3 charity, and they do other stuff from marketing. So if there's other businesses that want to get involved with this, there is marketing opportunity too.

But I actually do help raise money for the marketing side. I was just going to say, so are there spectators? Obviously people come watch and do buy tickets to watch? Is that on the way to? That's free. Yeah, they're in. And it's happening where and when? Shoot.

This week it, okay, so. Let me get that cute up for you. Yeah, that'd be good. When you guys gonna air this, probably not before that though. Maybe, maybe not, huh? Yeah. Yeah, we could, we could do this as a bonus episode. Yeah, we could, we could do it as a bonus episode. Yeah, why don't we do that and see if we can get him to raise a little bit more money for, maybe not, huh? Yeah. Yeah, we could. We could do this as a bonus episode. Yeah, we could.

We could do it as a bonus episode. Yeah, why don't we do that and see if we can get him to raise a little bit more money for, you know, for those charities. Yeah, I think I'm giving the Mind Pump bump. Yeah. The Mind Pump bump. That's the new, welcome to the new, better trademark dance. The new disco dance.

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That's when I started to like Justin Timber like, I think I didn't like him as a, when he first started, because he was dating Britney. I have a man crush on him. Yeah, for sure. But when he did when he did that. JT. Wow. JT is my dude. JT called JT over JT. JT is the man. You like how he moves or what? Bro, the guy can sing. Dance, act. He's funny. He's a triple. I didn't like I didn't like him early on but after he did the Saturday Night Life skit where he did Dick in the Box. After that I was like

this dude is fucking cool up into that point. I thought he was in the box square skit where he did dick in the box. After that, I was like, this dude is fucking cool. Up into that point, I thought he was square and man. But when he did dick in the box, and then after that, he did a bunch of other skits that were fucking great, dude. So he is awesome. But before that, I was like, yeah, I don't know if I'm a JT fan. Yeah, JT is a man, dude.

You're telling me. There's always that perm picture. Oh, when he was younger? We all got that funny tip. We all got that. You know that one of those boy bands are torn around here right now. You know that? I was going to get tickets for you guys to go see that. I thought like a it was like backstreet boys. And KOTB. What? You got your kids on the block. Wow. Wow. You just like killing me.

Oh, actually was thinking about that for a second. For I could spit that out. You killed it. Oh, oh, that was my very first cassette that whites. God, that was my first cassette. What you owned. Yeah. And new kids on the block. Of course I did. That was what is that fourth grade for us?

What do you mean? Of course I did. I didn't know that. That was fucking cool. I don't know what I did. I was listening to the whole ice. Okay. I don't know.

Final ice was like a year later. Hold on, hold on. Ice and an MC hammer. Your first, your first cassette was new kids on the block. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's suspect Don't try and be fucking cool either craze like You're not that cool That's where I come on. You're not that cool. Yeah. First cassette.

Like Ariana, I had another brother. I had a older brother. Okay. Okay. What about you, Justin? You say, first CD or first, like, no, cassette.

First cassette, bro. Oh, shit. That's horrible. I'm pretty sure, God, do get my back. Come back to me. Get my back here. No, it was bad.

It was bad. Yeah. New kids on the block. I can't believe yours wasn't. It wasn't one of those boy bands. My very, very, very, very, my boy's Amanda. I don't bad. Yeah, you kids on the blog. I can't believe yours wasn't one of those boys My very very boy's to men though. I remember Yeah, see some like I had something like that No, that's true. My black street my very black man. I had that CD. That was your first later, bro Is it yeah? I don't know how to get on back. I'm keep retarded. You tell me I know a hundred percent

What is it deaf leopard? 100% oh? Actually, okay, deaf leopard with my very very first cassette. Yeah, wow. I'm so cool. Just so my dad had I just don't believe you that is pretty cool though. It is now that's pretty hysteria trying to be honest hysteria For a while remember that shit Def lepper songs one four and seven. Everybody's a bunch of pussy's now fire hose Damn it. Death Flipper. Songs 147, dude.

Everybody's a bunch of pussy's now. Fire hose. Yeah, it was fire hose. What's that? Yeah, you probably don't even know. It was a cool, like, old man. Did you just do a Craig did? You thought of a fucking cool man.

I was like, you know, I had a cousin. You would Craig both take like the manly fucking coolist and you would get first, I'm sorry. Yeah, all right, yeah. I always get put on the hotspot like that, too. It was like random bands like, I was really, he always does that. He always lets us answer to go. It's like, Rand have been on the basketball team. I didn't realize where that close to

She's got a nice head of hair to look at you. You're such a fucking dick. I guess I should get it somewhere dude Yeah, you don't have no gradesays huh Craig or do you die or not? Well, that's not true. I've died it, but that's not the reason why I do it. So yeah, definitely I'm gonna found any great pubes yet like me and Justin. Yeah, I think they're they come around every now and then. They sprout out. I hate those motherfuckers. Is your hair colored right now? Is that L natural?

That's L natural right now. How about you Justin? What? Is that L natural? His hair? Yeah. No, he dies as hair gray. He's kidding me, dude. That's in style right now, you know that, right?

This is my thing. You know what though? I'm not trying to. Salt and pepper is fucking in style right now. I'm telling you right now, I'm not trying to do that. He's got the handsome as fucking hair. Period. You're pretty close though, you got good hair.

I got decent hair, but he's got, I got okay hair, but he's got it, like, it's more blended in with the grays. I've got the, I'll let you take it in. Look at that There was never a problem when I was in a room and someone didn't say I had the best hair since I cut it now I'm just like every other guy just a terrible just another guy. Don't you miss it, bro? Do you miss it like this much really? Yeah, I catch back at some of these You're like Samson, you know what it was you you're you look good like 1% of the time But when you take that 1% picture,

you're like, oh, that's fucking great. But, you know what I mean? So every now and then you'll catch those pictures and be like, wow, I miss it. But then you just have to remember the 99% of the times that you look like ass. That was a mess. I see, I just think, I thought,

even when your hair was all fucked up, it looks cool. Cause it looks like you just, you just, you know what I mean, you just wrestled a tiger right before you came into our studio and your hair is like, oh, fucking, oh, great. Poor Adam. It's like, mad as hell. You're a meme.

I just imagine you always coming out of the way. I'm just shaking it. I think Adam just jealous. He's like, oh, it's so cool. That, all that, all that big hair. I think about it sometimes. So golden. Is that way, is that way if I was about it sometimes. You're so golden. Is that way, is that way if I was gay,

I'd say Matthew McConaughey would have been like, it's the hair bro. It's the hair, it's the hair of a hundred percent. Fuck, dude. Son of a bitch. It's what happens. So what was your favorite like first workout, like workout album, like the one that you picked

all the time to lift weights to? The very first one. Jesus. I got a, I don't know, I was in the gym. I was like playing in high school football or stuff like that. So you didn't have an album that you? No, I would just go to my brother's friend of ours, Doug Bolter. We go to his basement.

He just jammed some hardcore rock. Again, I had older influences. Yeah. You guys didn't have a favorite? Metallica, for sure. Master of puppets. Oh, yeah. Now I wasn't that far back.

It was my favorite. Black album. Vogue or display of aggression. Oh, such a good one. Pantera is so good. So good. And then I just fueled so many workouts for me. And when I discovered Rage Against the Machine, that was what fucking life changing from.

Well, I think Rage Against the Machine took me through a majority of my life. It still does. I think that's what's so great about it, right? I think that I've revisited Rage Against the Machine and tool probably the most. I'm gonna start working out to tool because I never have. Oh my god. They're one of my favorite lines. I never have. I've ever seen. Dude, tools still will can go hands down my work. I can I can put on any of the albums from beginning to end and just let

it go, dude. I just get into it. See, I've never lifted a tool. Rob Zombie, that was a good one for me. Yeah, it's a while. Absolutely. Yeah. If I work out to Sepul Tura, it's because I'm pissed. You know what's funny? We used to come out and basketball. Like, to Sepul Tura, we'd scare the shit out of everybody. Really? Yeah, it was awesome.

That is pretty crazy. But to basketball, you know, because it's not... We came out of some bullshit like 50 cent shit or something. I was like, exactly. What is that? We were just coming out to like, to legit the quit and we're just like, RAAAHH! We're gonna kill you.

It just doesn't go with basketball. He said we's funny to see these guys come out to something like that. It's hilarious. Was your basketball team good? We were good. Oh, you were? Yeah, we were good, but we were like,

a bunch of like white guys, you know, that would pass the ball on bank shot. You know what I'm saying? We played old school. Much of it, Celtics, huh? Yeah, that is. Much of it. We get dunked on, but then we'd like pass it around and shoot it all about fun Funnamentals, funnamentals and points

Can't beat us when I like but I try to look good job step rucker step job step rucker step. What was your what was your position? Me I was point guard and I was also You know, I was a forward really once I got bigger just aggressive I was point guard for a long time and then and then I started working out and it ruined everything. You got too heavy. What did you play in football? I played outside linebacker and then I played inside in college. Craig, what were you?

Which time? Well, what were you majority when you were growing up? I'm running back. You're running back. Run like strong safety. Actually, it makes sense. He's actually built like a fucking like a running back. Oh yeah. When I got the college, I started off my freshman year as a strong safety. Actually, it makes sense. He's actually built like a fucking like a running back. Oh, yeah.

When I got the college, I was, I started off my freshman year as a strong safety within two weeks. I was demoted, but promoted to linebacker outside. And so I actually started over a senior my freshman year. And so I was outside backer. But then I was actually returning kicks. So like I said, I was kind of that.

What did you enjoy more? Defense or offense? Oh, it's tough. I mean, obviously run on the ball and getting a little bit of fame, right? Right. Because on defense, you got to share your shit, your team, right? I feel like you get to hit. Yeah. So I mean, that's what I always love. I didn't want offense. I just want to hit. Yeah, there was definitely more glory on the offense aside because you're you're making things happen for your team on defense.

You're just if you don't do it, you suck, right? Right. Right. Yeah. What does that feel like to carry a ball over it over the in zone, dude, at the college level? It's got to feel pretty fucking. I scored like safeties in my career. I never scored. I would be pretty bad ass too, though. Yeah. They're good. I mean, the crowd. It's pretty. You didn't play football. Did you do any like cool ball spins? Or did you do any dances? I was never a showboat. Oh, that's awesome. I would see all of them be would see I would all be done You're a lot like me. Yeah, if I if I see I never played football. I was never a celebrator I was like I do that. That's what I do. Yeah, I

I was I'd hover over there. I stare at them. Oh, you would come on out of my bitch. You would have a fucking allowed No, I would even though I love Deon Sanders. I love Torrello's. I love those guys that do crazy stuff like that I've always liked watching those guys. I'm a I'm a Cowboys fan. I'm an Emmett Smith guy Emmett Smith used to come in the end zone I'm a sixth grade set the top football down. That was class. Yeah, and that's what I loved about him That's one of my he's one of my favorite players of all time and because that's how he was like so I would definitely be that way I would my my always is in sports I was always a type of like let your let your game do the talking. I'm saying like and if I fucking up beat or came down

Like it's like I would not talk shit I would just that would just motivate me to come back harder the next time and make be better and be better When I love to see that is the fighters. I love showboat and fighters. Oh, yes Oh, it's the best. Well, because I don't I don't know I like I like fire. I love it. No, let me tell you What's that movie with the brothers that go out there and then these like an X-Watt I forgot that he's just bad. He just he just kicks ass and just walks off the stage You okay, you know who did that that was really good at that were the Emiliancle brothers when they fought for pride You know Fedor Fedor Emiliancle and his brother they come out and almost look

I see P. We're talking about no this is this was a In St. Clown pass No, I'm talking about a who do they fight for? I'm talking about right and they would come out almost look somber like they look like no big deal. And there was one fight where Fedor's brother, if we had his name, fought this big roided out monster guy who's looking at him all crazy and like,

ah, then the bell rings and he charges to him and Fedor's brother is like, it just has this like face on this look on his face like whatever. And just fucking knocks him the fuck out. And when he's done they raise his hand remember when Fedor fought um uh what's his name Randall man uh remember the black to the wrestler what's his name Randall man he's a pick people up and slam him super hard oh he's rampage no not rampage Randall man he just I think he just passed away in fact, with something anyway. Oh, the big guy. Oh God. I don't know who you talking about. I'm saying super huge guy, right? Super Jack.

He picked Fedor up and spiked him on his head. Like, while I was watching, I'm like, he'd kill them. This is the first death and mixed martial art. Was this sad? Oh my God. No, no, no, no. No, it wasn't Bob's tap.

His name was Randallman. Was the last name was not. Okay. Spiked him on his head. I'm like, for sure he's dead. Fedor sweeps him, turns him over, arm locks him, taps him out, and then stands up, and like, I thought was me, I would have fucking,

I would have pulled my pants off and took a piss, and shit, I would have fucking freaked out. He just raises his hand like, super somber, super, that's Russian. That's I liked that right there. No, no, that's, that show boating crap. I don't know, I like both. Yeah. With fighting too, because I would be personally, but I like to watch. I don't know. I like the hype of it

Like I like I like Connor McGregor do that. I like it. I like Connor. I like him, dude. I like that. Kevin Randallman. There you go Okay, Kevin Randallman So I feel like he actually passed away. Oh, he did yeah, I don't know. I think it was an in Staff infection or something horrible like that. Oh, man. Yeah, really crazy stuff. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was an Staff infection or something horrible like that. Oh, man. Yeah, really crazy stuff. Anyway, the guy was crazy watch some Those old fights on pride, dude. They was crazy. That's back when they didn't test for they didn't test for any drugs. I think so gangsta dude. They were all they look like I have them look like amateur bodybuilders, and they just destroy each other Yeah, way more entertaining than you see a Dan Henderson fight Craig which one don't just have latest one. Yeah, that was That was epic way to go

Well, I mean he put up just an awesome fight like I he he bloodied up Michael Bisming Who's a great fight the only thing is he just didn't have endurance? Yeah, he's the older guy and he just I mean he He just unleashed on him and Michael Bisming could recover like nobody else, man. He has his mouse on him like this big. It was, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. All the way, it was pussing at all, bro.

He literally like knocked, he, he would have knocked out anybody else like, he knocked him out like twice or three times almost. Like he got some good shots. That's what you're gonna give credit to Bisming because Bisming's a beast, dude. Yeah. It was epic, dude.

It was epic. It's his time right now. I mean, he's on the best. He's ever been in the game for sure for him. He looks the best shape. His game looks the best. A stamina. He's definitely that was anybody else. They're getting put to sleep for sure from that.

Oh, yeah. So let me ask you gentlemen, some questions. Oh, yeah. Oh, the table talk dirty to us. So we're in this office, I suppose, for the last time or this the last record last guest in the In our original recording to me that is crazy how that because this totally just kind of happened right we just found out craigs It's the universe man. What isn't that weird like Craig Craig hits us up says he's flying in we're all over the map right now We're a mess because we got we got fucking the other studio getting ready to finish up right now. And you know what this all everything just a line and this is literally going to be the last episode that we do in here and Craig is here.

And it's like that was the first man with us ever on the podcast. It's great man. It's how it should be. Maybe you know what we should do. Maybe we should dig into the old stuff and release it with this. Oh my god. I don't think we should. No, we find maybe we can maybe we we'll put on the forum dog maybe you put one of them on the forum because I feel like those Don't shake it and said yes, those were There's a rough. They were so just as a listener now just to give you guys who are coming to this podcast Lay who didn't listen to every single episode The podcast has changed and morphed into something probably better for the world.

That's just, that's just be honest. I actually had to bow out. I had to say, hey, we're getting a little carried away. And I was supposed to be the guy that was not the craziest guy on here. I think Adam and these other guys were before podcasts one, they were all talking and shit about how they're going to be the craziest people in the earth. I got on here. I got on here. I got on here and I was like, well, I got everything to lose. Let me just chill out and I somehow ripped it.

I go on my tangents and I just forget where the hell I am. So that's all competition, bro. You're gonna all fire it up. Well, the problem is there's three of you. And just to talk over you, I had to see something crazy like, you know, punk in these months for's physique guys or something. So that fast forward to now, they're obviously putting out some fantastic content,

you know, move to number one. So kudos to you guys. I want to give you guys a public airing of congratulations. Thank you for everything that you guys have done. So where are you guys moving to? What's going on? What is the next step? What is the evolution of Mind Pump?

So, well, we want to, we want to take over the world. So we're moving to the new studio that we told you about, Mind Pump Media headquarters. And ultimately what Mind Pump would like to do is we would like to produce fitness content. We'd like to produce other fitness celebrities. We want to be the media company of the fitness industry. It's going to take us a while to get there. But want to be the media company of the fitness industry. It's gonna take us a while to get there, but there's nobody in this industry that's doing that.

That's really putting things together and finding talent and putting it out there, putting them on social media and has a platform that can get people to hear what these people are saying. We want to be kind of the filter of that. People with integrates. Exactly. We want to be able to put not dumbasses

that are out there like promoting whatever the hell Fitt T. Yeah, so we just talked about it right before we jumped on air and and I don't even know if any of it was recorded Dugs funny like that he gets you on sometimes you know when you're being recorded So we were talking about just kind of our collaborative brands, you know I've pitched these guys a couple times come to over to my house metron And they've actually seen very early products of it. Some of them have used the content, but they've never jumped on board because I think they had more of a mission statement of what they really wanted to accomplish, and it wasn't completely aligned. However,

our brands are still interlocked with the mission that we're all after, is to mine's quantify fitness. Yours is to tell the truth and fitness. So it's all under the same mantra, if you will. So whether we interlock today or in the future, I think there's definitely a future for both of us, but I like to see where you guys are going. I like what you guys are about and everything there. So just think you guys are good.

I think it's really, you know, if you look at success, it's always boils down to one thing. It's about relationships. You know, the old saying, it's not what you know too, you know. Relationships are very important. We're all like-minded. We all have similar visions. relationships, you know, the old saying it's not who it's not what you know to you know. Relationships are very important. We're all like-minded. We all have similar visions. We'll have lots of integrity and we're all climbing, you know, the ladder of fitness success, all trying to deliver this message of health, wellness, longevity, of integrity that the

industry is lacking sorely right now. So we're just making relationships. And it's not a coincidence that we started all together at the very beginning, even though we're not working together now. In that sense, we started off at the very beginning. That's why I never stress about things like that. And I know sometimes I think I put people off and they think maybe I don't care, or I'm too busy or without that,

but it's never like that. I feel like the relationships that we've forged and we've made, those people we have a lot of respect and I definitely see where a lot of those will come back into play. If you've been a listener since the very beginning, we've gone through and we've had a lot of people on there and there's a handful of people that we've interviewed

and brought here that are actually closer or we consider friends of ours that are within the fitness industry that, you know, I see great things from it. Oh, dude. And I'm sure one way or another will all be aligned and working together at one point somehow because, you know, that's what we're in search of that. And the fitness industry is lacking that it's lacking, you know, these people. It's going to need an army of, yeah, we are definitely not going to be alone on this

mission right now. We may be leading the charge, but there's so many other other great minds out there. It just blows my mind away when, you know, you hear about like literally big names and fitness and none of them are ever the real good names. Like nobody's talking about the guys behind the scenes that are like on the front end of like movement specialist and physical therapists that are out there and these trainers that are doing really great work and some of the best minds that are challenging

like old science that are pushing. It's pretty simple. They're not doing entertainment. They're doing work. They're doing, they're not making a commercial out of their life. You know what I mean? Like unfortunately I didn't want to go down that route

because I just don't think it's going to be relevant in five years. You know what I mean? Like we kind, I didn't want to go down that route because I just don't think it's going to be relevant in five years. You know what I mean? Like, we kind of have this conversation at the show the other night that, you know, you could put out content, but is it going to be relevant in five years or can you make money in five years off that content? Who knows when the algorithms are going to change? The black swans are going to hit and they're not paying you for your ad sensor.

These are the things where these guys are monetizing now. So it's not really a business. It's a facade that's currently going on. They're certainly going to make some money off in the meantime. Hopefully they know how to save and invest. Well, I think the reality is with any kind of information that you provide, if you want to reach a lot of people, there needs to be an, and some kind of an entertainment appeal to it. So if you've got great information, if you've got great fitness information, because there's good, there

are good fitness podcasts, there's good fitness people out there who've got the right information who are presenting things who we learn from, but they don't they're not able to reach lots of people because they don't have the entertainment factor. That's right. That's the secret. Actually, I mean, no, I mean, all joking aside, you're having some of the entertainment factor,

it makes people want to listen and then boom, they get hit with the whole knowledge. And so it makes it a great combination, it's a great formula. It's why I'm such a huge fan of TED Talks. I really feel like TED Talks will evolve how we learn in the future. Oh, come on, dude. That's so close to how we're going to teach in the future, it's just virtually like that.

And where you get so engaged, short 15, 30-minute spurts who have intelligent minds that someone entertain you by giving this good information. It's coming from a credible source that's already been vetted. So I know that like I'm getting solid information and it's fucking good to listen to.

And you can be right what I wanna learn about. Like I'm looking, I'm searching for this. It's like I wanna know specific details of this. And then I have this, I want us to be the fitness of that also. So, I don't want to talk too much about some of the things we're doing, but this is definitely a piece of mind-punk media is I want to be just like that, but a little more, bring it into just fitness and health

and wellness, and just keep it right in that area. Just get right to the point quickly, which is what I like about that. That style, because going through the academic process, it's just so much fluff. And there's just a lot of, you know, mindless work that you have to get through to get to the real meat of what, you know,

you're there for, you want to learn, you know, like people want to get to that point where it's like, okay, what are the essentials? And I feel like, you know, that's kind of the direction we're going. Let's give you the essentials. I also feel like this too, and Craig, I'd like to hear your opinion on this,

because I know you've been around a lot of brilliant minds. You were in Harvard just last year doing a speech and stuff. Sometimes I feel like people that are like your PhDs and that are really, really brilliant minds. They're so caught up in being brilliant and hearing themselves speak that they don't spend the time and the awareness and thinking of like the people that are trying to receive this message.

How well am I delivering it to them and getting that across? They're so caught up in their own world and what they're doing. Well, they're speaking to their peers a lot of times. They're speaking to other very smart people and so that information does some of the look at okay, there's lots of very, very smart scientists out there. But then you've got people like what's his name? Neil Tyson, Grassian, I think his name is. Oh yeah, honey. You know, he's famous because he's able to deliver the information.

He's literally. Exactly. And he's making a larger impact and other scientists who are doing incredible work, but they're just not able to communicate it very well. So that's a very important piece of the, if you really want to change things, you've got to have good stuff, but you have to be able

to deliver it so people can, who want to, they want to listen to it. Besides delivering it, you also want to change things, you've got to have good stuff, but you have to be able to deliver it so people can who want to they want to listen to it. Besides delivering a UL so I have to be able to take the feedback from the audience that you're actually speaking to. Like so many times you'll see politicians speak from a pedestal, but they will not actually understand what's going on in their cities. There are suburbs and different things. So that's the same thing what you're talking. You're talking about these high-level educated PhDs that are talking, and sometimes they're just talking amongst their peers because they're having these cocktail hours.

And speaking with other highly affluent people, however, they're not really getting the whole story. I was just that this technology supposed to be a couple years ago called the GTC, and there was a speaker and educator. I mean, she had some great things that she was doing for her students where it wasn't like no man left behind or whatever that policy is where you're just gonna pass somebody,

but if you were failing, she was gonna have you stay after. So she actually saw the, she saw that you gotta put the work in effort, but there was other speakers that were just talking out their rear that just had no clue on basis of reality. They were just talking to the elite, 1% of the 1%, and everything they were talking about was just cater to that market. And I was thinking in the audience a lot

of times with technology and how it's advancing. Do you have a responsibility, social responsibility? Because you're going to be eliminating jobs you're software and these other things. And it's like those kind of things that are being talked about. And I mean, I'm probably coming off a completely left left field here, but you know, those are the thoughts that I have when I hear a really good speaker that's not connected. I make sure you connect to your audience. You do, and when it comes to stuff like that, I think it's important to communicate to people what disruptive technologies you're going to do, and you have to talk to the average person

so that they can understand and not be afraid of advancements, not be afraid of, you know, like sometimes they'll come out with a new medicine, and immediately people will freak out because they don't understand it, but they didn't do a good job of explaining it in the first place. And so that's a very important aspect of delivering a message is how you deliver it. Luckily, mind pump, I think we do a decent job doing it. It wasn't something we actually set out trying to do. We just got on the mic and started talking. And I think that's why our message tends to resonate with some people is because, you know, we deliver it in a way that kind of is understandable.

I don't think we're smart enough to make it un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un-un because I feel like in my experience a lot of those minds, like because we do, we would, a lot of the guys that I am listening to, and the people that I'm reading, like nobody, not a lot of not nobody, not a lot of people know that, because they're not the ones that are the face, right? They're not the face of these supplement companies, they're not the face of these big fitness companies,

and these brands, and these TV shows, like, you know, the trainers that are idolized in our industry are somebody that's been on, like a trainer for biggest loser or something. You know, like literally, like nobody, nobody, and I know some local trainers that are amazing that nobody knows about. Yeah, nobody's talking about some of these guys

that are doing great work out there that are really, truly helping people and that are pushing the boundaries in this field. Those guys aren't getting talked about, it's the, we're, we're idolizing these TV stars or these fucking social media geeks, like come and get the fuck out of here. And not only that, but luckily we have a platform

where we're gonna be able to, like I said, I know some local trainers that are amazing, exceptional trainers, but they don't have the ability to get out there and get their message out. Maybe they're not, they don't have the skill or they're're too afraid, or they just don't know what to do. Enter Mind Pump Media. We can take these people, spread their message,

we have the platform, we have the ability to get that message out. And now the right information is getting out there, and we're influencing the industry from the inside. We're disrupting it from the inside in a very positive way. And the end result is is people get better information, they get more fit, they actually get healthier. Clients benefit, everybody benefits. Everybody benefits, and we're building a business, but it's a very conscious business. It's a business that I can feel proud of doing.

It's very exciting. And I mean, today, I want a great day. I mean, what a great day to spend with Craig, we in here. And then the news that we got from Katrina earlier this morning, and then now the studio is getting all finished up. Like, I mean, it's a really, really cool time right now for Mind Pump. And it also reminds me too, just to thank all the listeners that have been with us since the beginning. I mean, there was people that were listening to us when we were in Doug's dogs. Doug's dog.

Doug. No. But I don't know the fuck that came from. In Doug's living room. Listen to us when we're in dogs dogs dogs dog dog. Oh Well, I don't know the fuck that came from in Doug's living room dog pound and you know We are taking shots of Jack Daniels and and smoking weed trying to get through episodes Because this really you guys are a film at their place. Why did they just get so loud those weird what at work? Their his place or his no, no just my mind I think one or two episodes of mine. Yeah We did do your house. Wait a minute. We did that's right I would do our house. Oh, maybe she's asking. I was just trying to see where I'm right in dude. That's right. I told you because I'm too far, you know, I'm the one that's got the community

Yeah, but you got wife and kids and shit. You know I know I do I'm gonna pick you out of here I'm running around the background. So this new spot, man, I can't wait to have you back and you should see what Doug literally got to build. I don't, I would, I would like to see anybody else's podcast studio. It could look like this come get us. Yeah.

This, this guy has built, I mean, he's got all the toys, literally all the toys. It's like a monolithic ear. Let's just, let's just talk about it. We got this crazy microphone in my face. It's got this extend to arm, this robo arm, and it's got the spit filter on it right now. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on. Well, you know, when we started having guests on here a lot, it was, we, that was one of the first things that we were shocked at.

We sometimes would be a little embarrassed to have somebody in because it's kind of a small spot when there's a lot of dudes in here. And we get guys on here. I remember when Tate Fletcher came on here, so he's kind of a small spot when there's a lot of dudes in here. And we get guys on here, I remember when Tate Fletcher came on here, and he's been on all over tons of podcasts. So those are the best podcasts, dude? Yeah, he's all men's places sick. We're like, really?

Well, I just think the nature, I think the nature of podcasting is a lot of people do it in their, like in their bedroom. It's leisurely. Yeah, super leisurely in their bedroom, because you don't have to, you want to sound good,

but you don't necessarily have to have, you know, anything. You don't have to wear pants. You know, so you mean doing it in the closet, it's not right? Yeah, that's like that. Got a lot of sound detonating, right? Yeah, it's like, mind pump comes out of the closet.

That's right, I like that. I like that. So what's next for you right now? Are you fly back on what Sunday? Is that what you're saying? Sunday, yeah. Just going back, I got a couple more things going on travel-wise, I do have a photo shoot potential coming up.

I guess I can't air it yet, but there's a potentials suitor for another supplement contract if you will. So I know you guys are not big on that scene. So I actually do I actually want you to share with when I want you to share As I want and I know you can't share too much detail, but I do want you to share the process that you take what makes you decide whether you, because we have a lot of aspiring trainers and men's physique and guys, and a lot of people see that this guy's getting into it, like you're very business-minded like us.

So what are the steps you take when you're deciding if you're going to partner up with somebody or not? What are you thinking? Money. Well, that's true. I just keep it real. Of course, that's a bit course, it's money for sure. I mean, let's just face it, when I was a Wall Street oil trader and I had my first contracts being sent to me, I refused them.

I refused them all. I said, no, it's not enough. So you're wasting my time. Unfortunately, I was able to support my, you know, other, my financials with other things. So, you know, when you're, when, let's just say, you shouldn't be, let's see's just say you shouldn't be, let's see how to put you shouldn't be desperate searching

for a supplement contract because then you're gonna just sell your soul. So let's put it that way. You should actually always have a goal and intention just like any other business that you're going into. You should have a resume that you can live up to. You shouldn't be lying about that. You should be able to have in the supplement field

if you're gonna be the face of any company, a campaign. You should have something that some other people don't or you should have identified what you have that others don't or something that you can go fall back on, which is called your value proposition. And so you should know that and you should know what you're going to do for the company as well. It's not just what they could do for you, it's what you could do for them. So that's something you want to always know when you're approaching supplement contracts.

I certainly know what I can offer at this point, being in the game so many years, it's not so much I'm gonna post for you, and you're gonna get millions of likes. I'm gonna give you content, I'm gonna give you training plans, I'm gonna give you things that other people don't have. I'm gonna communicate real to your customers. So, they're gonna always see me, and they're gonna always know that they're gonna get

the real talk, I'm not gonna take a supplement that I'm not taking. I have only taken specific supplements over the course of the years, and I've always told you what I'm taking. They could put my face behind a picture, but I would probably tell you what I'm taking. You know, they could put my face behind a picture, but I would probably tell them, I'm not taking that supplement, please take me off that.

I would stack it with something that I'm taking. So to me, it's being real with a supplement company on what I actually will take from your brand and what I will not take from your brand. Do I find it's viable? And if I don't, do I just think it's a supplement like anything else where if you supplement with food, can you get the same results of it?

And yes, you can. However, some people just want the quick effect of getting something when you don't have it because you can't cook it. Or you have to just be real what a supplement is. And if you're being real to your audience and being real to your supplement brand and being honest with everybody, I think you can feel good about representing a brand. That's kind of the way I take it. Well, not to get, I don't want to get too personal with your financials, but I would, could

you give us like what would be a, what's a disrespectful number that somebody would offer? And what's something that you there's, there's no way you'd. I turned down 15 or 1700 bucks a month just recently. So. And that's no, no percentage of the, the sales also, or is that in like percentage of sales? That's 1700 bucks. And then percentage of sales after. But I don't even want a coupon code. I don't like promoting. I don't want that.

That's what I wanted to get to. That's something in my contract that I just don't want. They offered, sorry, I just don't want it. I don't want to promote for you. I'm actually being endorsed or I'm being sponsored for other things that I offer. More of us, if you want to hire for me sales and hire me a sales for a contract,

then I'll decide if I want to take that. But I shouldn't have to, you know, there are brands out there that, you know, you have certain specific amount of posts, but it's more about the endorsing or it's more about the brand awareness or the impression that you're giving more or less than you have to be a salesman. And even when I did have a code, I would have to meet code for sell you core. It may even work. You may just still be able to use it if you wanted to.

I don't know. I won't obviously get money out of it. But I never really was showy about it. You know what I mean? I would do my best just to say, hey, this is something I'm taking. If you would like to get a sale, go ahead because you might save you money.

And the same thing happens when I see sales on the internet now and like I'm a bottom-on-lock-hum spokesmodel. So when I see them have sales, I'll post them. You know, not that I'm getting anything out of those things all the time, but it's more or less, if you're gonna buy supplements anyway, you might as well get this out.

And what about these companies that are like this? What do you think most kids, do you think most kids are think that same way too? Or do you think that? Absolutely not. We're like cool free shirts. Cause I would think that makes it harder for someone like you also or like ourselves.

It's cost us a lot of money. Let's just be honest. So many people are doing supplements for free or being sponsored for free just because they want free shirts, free supplements or they want to be the next person on the magazine. And it's not going to happen just because you got a supplement contract. There's other things that go into it. You have to be, you know, that it's not just, I mean, sometimes the supplement brand will just pay. They have a

career advertising budget and they're just going to pay because you're the next superstar. And so those things do happen. However, let me just tell you, just because you land a supplement contract or landed on a magazine as I have, those things come and go and they're very short-lived. So don't think that that's gonna make your fame in your life. I mean, after you have it and after you've succeeded in doing some of those things, you, just like I said, if it's not five years down the road, I'm not getting paid off of those. I didn't get paid off from first. I got to pay off my contract, but I'm not getting paid off the five-year-old fitness,

muscle fitness cover that I landed. You know what I mean? You always have to think forward. So something I want to say to the audience is, if this is your dream, chase it. Go after it, but have a business model behind it. Don't just be a puppet. Have something that you're offering them, but make sure you're taking from them. You got to know your value. Know your value. Just extract value from what you're doing because you can't just offer your time for someone else because

you're either working for someone or they're working for you. Think about that. It's tough for me that we have friends that are close to us and stuff that a ton of followers have major influence in the industry and they have like 10 sponsorships, and their sponsorships are all these companies that just give them, like you said, free shirts, free supplements, free food, and they're making like a 20% kickback on anybody gets it in. Anybody that's really been in it or done as long as like someone like you would attest to is that there's no money in that. There's really no money.

You're not going to make very much and you're whoring yourself out just to make a couple bucks. So you're definitely not gonna retire off of doing that and you've now tied yourself to that. And it's unfortunate because then it makes it that much harder too for guys like Craig or us, like when you go to get sponsorships because they know that, okay, shoot, we really want Craig, but he knows that he's worth at least three to five

grand a month. There's no way he's taking less than that. But shit, we can get this kid, this kid, this kid, this kid, this kid, this kid, and this kid, and they all are maybe a tenth of the man that he is, but there's 10 of them. And we can do that for free. I think that's going to what happened in my last contract. I mean, I don't want to, you know, name names, but I mean, I think it was just more of a business decision. And, you know, sometimes those things don't work. Sometimes the quantity is not better than quality. This is true. I wonder if they're finding that out or not.

I think that. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm, boom. Boom. If you like Mind Pump, leave us a five star rating review on iTunes. If we like your review and we pick it,

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