Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 391: Use Stress to Build Muscle & Lose Fat

Episode Date: October 27, 2016

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He's all the fucking bad ass stuff, making the place look really nice. When we first got in there, got it was demo and demo and demo. Nasty paint and building up walls and framing and all that stuff, right? So we just now are getting to the sexy part of it, you know? The nail polish. Yeah. This is so this whole mine pup French tips. He's growing because fucking broke the bank there a little bit. I'm excited. I haven't I've had a life serious. I've had a

really hard time sleeping just because I'm antsy to get in there. Really? Yeah, we should be in there. What Monday? We're gonna sleep in bags. Yeah, I think so. You guys want to sleep in there? Let's do it. Let's do that first night. Why not? Yeah, man. Actually, we're good luck.

Why don't we all just sleep? We could just live there. Stupid. Why? You would never. No, not with you. Yeah. No, with me.

Justin would be harder to live with. Wake up in the middle of the night with the phone. Justin would be way harder to live with. You being so? Yeah, for sure. You snore after easy going. Yeah, you snore. That time we were, where did we go that when we were putting

Was a aesthetic together I think it was we're in that big house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah shut up Are you gonna throw me in the bus you you fucking you sleep like a fucking snuffle up against remember the guy Remember that big emboly mammoth from sesame street. Oh my god You just pulled from that. Oh, man. What are you talking about? Dude, how you breathe? What are you talking about, man? You're just like, fuck. You're like, I'm a lumberjack.

It's hard. And you were down the hall and everything. I can get pretty loud too. But I just had to. You're a big snorke. You're the good, well the best. My wife snores too, so she doesn't notice. Yeah.

Oh no shit. I've actually recorded her. No, you have it. I did. She's so mad about that. No Anytime you know she tries to throw me under the bus. I'm like I got material. Hey, dude You know what we have to somebody we have to talk about fitness at one point, right? I feel like we have to Oh, shit. We're a fitness podcast. We have an idea. But did you have an idea? No, no Well, no go ahead tell me here yours and if it your sucks and mine's better, I'll tell you. Well, I was thinking about something interesting the day.

You know, we always talk about how all these things that are good for your body because they cause your body to adapt, you know, exercise is one of them, fast thing is another one. These are all stresses on the body. And it made me examine stress as a whole. All the things that tend to cause stress on our body can elicit favorable adaptations because our bodies are always trying to get stronger to deal

with these types of stresses, right? And so I thought about a lot of all the things that our bodies that could be stresses and how we look at food, for example. For easing is a stress. Well, we'll use food, for example. For easing is a stress. Right, well, we'll use food as an example. We don't have to go that crazy. Yeah, I wanna go crazy.

But people will say things like, you know, oh, you need to have food. Therefore, you gotta eat all the time, give your body all these nutrients all the time. Otherwise, you know, it's not gonna be good for you. Now, we understand that skipping meals because it's a stress does illicit adaptations that are good for you.

And it made me think of a lot of other things too that we take for granted for example sleep, oh, you were gonna bring that up because you've said this a couple times since then I just practiced this theory by the way well sleep is I find it I find it very fascinating and a very cool thing to argue and debate because it we obviously we can't that we don't know yet we don't because how do you Obviously, we can't, we don't know yet. We don't because how do you, the problem with studies are, if we study people who, quote unquote, lack sleep, we're going to find poor health. However, which is causing which, many times the poor health may be causing the sleep issues, and so they tend to feed into each other. Sleep itself is essential. We need it. However, I wonder if every once in a while,

intermittently allowing yourself to miss some sleep will cause favorable adaptations in your body. And I always go back to evolution. We couldn't, I don't believe it, that we evolved getting great sleep all the time. It can't be, right? I mean, there had to have been periods of time where we didn't sleep as much.

If you're on the hunt You know and you're you're trying to stay survive Probably there you have an eight nine days dude. You got to eat time to eat You know I'm saying like that's more of a priority than sleeping now like you are you're on the same you could say about water You know restriction. God. Thank you. I was just gonna go there. Yeah, cuz if you're in a situation in an environment Where it's very scarce, obviously we would have had to evolve to where we can go without it or survive without having water super plentiful.

Well, there's some obscure research showing that you may benefit from not drinking water for periods of time. So, instead of drinking all day long, going through, and I don't want anybody to go start doing this. I know, that's... This is a lot of speculation based on very, very little evidence. And that, but I... Thank you for sharing that. But I'm just, I'm just, you know,

because if you, if you examine... You know, everybody after fucking salsa, so I'm shit is, oh fuck, I'm gonna wake myself up in the middle of the night this week twice. Yeah. Just the fuck if, just fucking, fuck my sleep up. Well, no, because if you think of the body's systems of adaptation, they all work on the stress signal.

Your body doesn't want to adapt and use resources to become strong. It's really worth it. Challenge the system. That's right. And so anything that stresses the body, sunlight, for a second, they're redeeming sunlight. Like, oh, sun, it's all damage, avoid all sunlight.

And now we know if you avoid sunlight, you actually increase your risk of all kinds of different cancers. So there's a right amount of stress, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So with water and sleep and all these different things, they all fall under that category and it makes me wonder if it's, look, here's another example, heat and cold, hot and cold. Like we're now finding going in a hot

Sauna and steam room or getting you know getting in freezing water Causes adaptations of the body that caused favorable, you know favorable things that happen that are that are good for your health and longevity Obviously if you overdo it this your the stress will overcome your body's ability to adapt and you'll become You know you're not going gonna get good benefits from it, you'll get negative effects from it. And so that's kind of the direction I'm going now with my mind, and I'm trying to find research that may point in that direction of,

maybe it's a good idea to challenge your body in different ways intermittently, and then allow your body time to recover and adapt, you know, and become better at the same time. I think you could argue that we do this naturally. I mean, without even trying, right? Like maybe when I've been, I've had great sleep for 14 days in a row, which probably was a miracle to get 14 perfect days in a row, all of a sudden, you know, I get interrupted

sleep or whatever I thought. And then I'm really groggy and tired the next day. And then I rebound and find and then I move on. And maybe that was a part of that adaptation process and now I'm better for it. But maybe it just naturally happens. Maybe there's no need for you to try and schedule it in there or try and even attempt to make that a stress.

It's already naturally a stress. Yeah, I don't know about scheduling it in. I'm just saying, I wonder if that's the case, you know what I'm saying? Because right now we're told, you need to, you have to drink all this water every single day all the time, that's the best thing for health. You have to sleep.

This would have been. All these hours all the time, because that's the best thing for health. Just like we've been told, you have to eat all the time. You have to get all these nourishes. You have to have all this protein every day. You have to have all these carbs, this fats, and if you lack them, then that's not good for your body.

And you can't stress the body and stress is horrible. Too much stress is horrible. Your mind is going though. Because yeah, because I mean, all of our paradigm shattering moments have been just where it revolves around the balance of all these things. It's not, it hasn't been that like, oh, you're so deficient in this or, oh, you know,

well, this is, as long as we just focus on this one thing, it's going to bring everything back to it. It has to be a very intricate balance between a lot of factors at once. And so like, you know, putting this all together, it's tough to kind of like wrap the brain around like, you know, hormone balance. Like, you know, what you're doing with your food the brain around, like, you know, hormone balance, like, you know, what you're doing with your food and your nutrient balance and, you know, what you're doing with the amount of stress you're placing on your body to overcome

and get the proper adaptation for that or when to cycle out of that specific adaptation to go to the next. And so that's why it's a lot more complicated when you start talking about it, but like it, it makes sense because intuitively, we have all these mechanisms in place and as long as we're listening to those signals and those signs, I feel like your body's telling you when to adjust.

It just makes me look at everything a little bit differently. Because like anything, like everything that we tend to do, we tend to find or discover something and then we go nuts with it, like bacteria. We discover bacteria, we discover bacteria, causes illness and infection. So we fucking try to eradicate it. We flood, yeah, or we flood our body

with all kinds of like new bacteria. Yeah, and we try to eradicate bacteria, antibiotic everything, antibiotic soap, super sterile environments. And as a result now, it appears that we're causing havoc on our immune systems because our bodies require some types of bacteria. And you can't just eradicate everything because that's bad for you. So we're going a little bit in the other direction.

It's almost like the advice that we get, I tend to, and this is just something I think you should do for anything. I do this, this is an exercise I do with myself. When there's something that is taken for granted as truth, I will always try to argue the opposite, not because I think the opposite is true, but because many times we take things for granted that we believe to be true and we miss the whole story. Oh yeah, or because we want it to be true, right?

Yeah. How often do we do that? Yeah, see that's what I'm talking about. Like if we look at, again, if we look at sleep, you'll find that the sickest people in modern societies are the people that sleep the most. Like people who sleep the longest have the worst health versus people

who don't sleep that much. Now why would that be? Well obviously if you examine, you know, if you look at the population of people who sleep the most, well, they're probably really sick, too, right? They probably have an illness or they're super depressed or whatever, and they're sleeping a lot. So, sleep, and I'm just using sleep as an example, sleep itself may not be necessarily the answer. There's other, there's all these different factors that are related to each other in which is causing which and it seems to be this circular kind of feeding pattern. You know what I'm saying?

So I think it's really interesting. I think stress on the body too much of it can be bad and too little of it can be bad too. Because you don't have any signals for adaptation. I mean, this is all the stuff that I think we're going to be able to quantify this in the next, I feel like 10 to 20 years. I feel like we're getting closer and closer to that. And then I think like people like Ben Greenfield, who, you know, like for the average person would think like, this dude's crazy, like if you were a normal, a normal person, like

I feel like we can relate and get him a lot more than the average person, but could you imagine being a normal person who's, doesn't know anything about what, what the science and the biohacking and stuff that he's into and he does. And then you get dropped into his environment and you see his, the patterns and you'd be like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Like, people are like so unaware, so unaware of that. Like, it's crazy to me. Yeah, and I think if you live a high-stress lifestyle, you definitely want to schedule periods of time where you take away some of that stress so that you give your body a chance to adapt and become stronger.

And so I think that's also important too. I think to look at the whole equation, you know what I'm saying? Because we've all had those clients. I know you guys have had the clients that are, you know, super high stress all the time. They don't sleep much all the time. They work a lot all the time. Then they want to work out hard all the time.

And as a result, their body has overcome with these signals to adapt, but it's never given an opportunity to adapt. And so then these individuals, I tell them the schedule time to work in, because they have times that they schedule to work out. And I say, okay, when do you work in? When do you schedule time to?

It's interesting, because you think about it as, like, you gotta assess your environment right now. Yes. And you gotta understand completely where all these stresses are coming from, or the level of it for that matter, right? So if you are like a type A situation where everything is go, go, go, go, go, go, go,

I got so many work related stress demands and then I have kids, I have this and that and I have time really for the gym but I get my gym time in for an hour and I blast myself. You know, that's just so much at once. And so the priority there, then, how do I, how do I fit in, you know, recovery? How do I fit in this, this meditative portion of my day?

That's going to be the tough part versus somebody who's probably, you know, like, I guess, isn't as in demand in, in maybe their lifestyle is pretty more lacks where something like adding more stress would definitely benefit them. How do you guys coach to this or teach to this with your clients? Like when you think about like this is very common for all of us. I know how some of the things that I tell my clients, but what are some of the things you guys tell your clients that are like that, that have that personality?

So I've had people on both ends of the spectrum. I've had clients that were, money runs in their family, they've kind of inherited it, they're retired, they don't work, they're super, whatever, you know, relax. They're as a fairer. Yeah, they eat shitty,

they sit down and watch TV a lot, they don't really, you know, put any demands on their body to adapt. Those people, I definitely, and you have to gradually work them up because their body's so used to not having these stress signals, I gradually work them up to applying more stress and being able to train

in more intensely and more frequently. And then on the other end of the spectrum, I've had people come in who, and you can see the signs, right? They've got the dark circles under their eyes, you know, the cold, you know, the cold, clamming hands, anxious, anxiety, they come in and it's like, go, go, go, I gotta go, I gotta do this.

And they might show up late and they may leave early because they're late for something. And those people, I slow them down. I take things down to the stage. I actually, as well, like, so the same thing. So on both ends of the spectrum, you do have to introduce gradually or you know, take away gradually.

Yeah, such a good point because this is that that's what I was going to say. There's I have to tell them that we pick like one thing at a time. Yeah. It's like, if you're a Taipei, they're Taipei and everything, right? So you already know they're throttling down at work, they're throttling down at home and they're throttling down in their workout and at any time in between that, right?

So it's like, those people are like, you have to like slowly wing off these things, which if you're somebody who doesn't have a trainer and you're going along on this as something that you struggle with if you're a type A and you're grind, grind, grind and then you go sign yourself up for some group workout that's fucking grind, grind, grind, or you're doing some crossfit or some,

you know, or even if you're just training yourself it's like super high intensity, high and volume because you like it, you love it, or you think you do, because you think that's what's best for you, and it's really not, that type of person needs to go the other direction. So, and it takes baby steps,

you can't just all of a sudden tell that type A, go, go, go, person, I like, okay, you just need to slow your whole life down, like that's not gonna happen, and if you're, that's unrealistic. And I remember failing at that as a trainer early on and thinking that like I could just tell this is how we do things and that they're just all going to follow the rules. You know, follow the, no, it's like, shit, it never works that way.

So you just learn to pick up as a trainer. You know, you notice these traits early on, right? As soon as you meet them, like Salah saying, there's these signs of like, oh, I know how you are. You know, I know what type of personality you are and what you need is, or I think that's what makes trainers, what really good trainer is that ability to see that in their clients and then know what that client needs. You know what, I have clients that I know that like,

I know they're very intelligent, they're smart, but they need me to make sure they go through that to hold them accountable because they have that lifestyle. We have to have it scheduled. Yeah, and they even need me to be the one to tell them, listen, you need to slow down this week, this week we slow down. Next week we get out.

We're gonna need to schedule like an Epson salt bath, right? It's stuff like that. I'll just like come in and be like, okay, right here at 8 a.m. till nine, press it to 10 if you can or whatever, and you can't have your phone in there. You know, and I literally have to tell them that. You know what's funny too is when you tell clients like that, to do that, they feel guilty.

I know. Like if you tell them to go work out, I want you to go run a mile or I want you to go do all these different exercises and kick your ass, that's not a problem. But if you tell them, I want you to sit still and meditate or stretch or go on a nice walk outside or take an exercise. Or take an exercise, so like, well, I'm wasting all those time.

Well, they feel like they're wasting all this time, they feel guilty doing, I'm one of those people, sometimes I'm just like, you know what? Sometimes, sometimes, yeah. You know, it's part of it. It's part of the work. You know, it's funny, it's, God, I even think of it. It's like, stress is, it's part of the work. You know, it's funny. It's got I even think of it like stress is

It's all it is. It's one more Factor that you put into programming. It's it's it's something you have to consider before you put together Your you know what your routine is gonna look like for your you know, whatever your goals are It it's just another factor, alongside with exercise history, injuries, which your goals are, you know, how your body is responding, you have to use that stress signal, you have to look at the whole picture of stress and then start to kind of create a program around that. It's very interesting, I don't think anybody does that.

I don't think anybody ever really considers that. They just say, here's your routine and do it, but they don't consider stress to be a factor. Well, from the perspective of like all the stresses, yeah, that's your routine and do it, but they don't consider stress to be effective of like all the stresses. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, I think, I don't think we, that's the thing is I don't think people understand that they all have one thing in common.

Like the stress that you do with yourself at work, stress with your family, stress with diet, sleep, exercise, they're all stresses on the body and they all can be cumulative. They're all stresses on the body, and they all can be cumulative. They all add up. Those same, we didn't even touch on it, and those same people are always the extreme dieters too.

Those are also the people that are like, binging, they're eating like shit, or doing the thing, or drinking every night, having a couple of glasses of wine, and then they're like, okay, I want to get in shape for this. You know, it's time to cut all this out, do my crazy freaking hardcore intense working out.

It's one extreme the other, one extreme the other, back and forth. And I think this is the type of stuff too that got it took years. It took years of clients and thousands of clients of failing at before, because let's be honest. I mean, I think we've talked about this before in the podcast that in reality, more than 50%, it 50% got probably 75 plus percent of your clients do not win.

They're not successful. And your trainer that says otherwise, you're a liar, dude. And I'm talking long term, it says, not that means you can't get them to a goal. Like any of us can do that. Like that's, that's the easy part as a trainer. But have you changed somebody's life that they got in shape and then for the rest of their life, you've completely impacted it because they have a whole new outlook on health and fitness and achieving that. It's no longer this short-term goal of I got to get in shape for Vegas. We're

going to look a certain way for a certain time. Now it's this lifelong thing and that takes time and practice of being able to do that. You know what's interesting too is as your body adapts to one type of stress, and again, this is kind of a me speculating a little bit, but it seems to be true, as your body gets better and adapting to one particular type of stress, it seems to get better at handling other types of stress as well.

For example, you take someone who is a total, like they sit at a desk all day long, and they work in tech or whatever, they're on a computer all day long and they work in tech or whatever. They're on a computer all day long. Stressful job, but they're very inactive. They can feel the stress, they have anxiety, they're suffecting their sleep, they feel shitty. You add some stress of exercise to them

so where the workin' out and their body starts to adapt to that stress by getting stronger, more fit, they will notice their ability to handle stress, the other kinds of stress get better. And it's because the body systems of adaptation tend to cross over quite a bit. I noticed myself, and this is my own anecdote, but I noticed when I started using the steam room

and cold showers on a regular basis, my ability to adapt to less sleep and harder workouts seems to have gotten better as a result of doing that. And I think it's because my body started adapting to the changes in temperature. And so the stress, maybe that stress signal now is allowing my body to become a little bit more,

I don't know, tough, maybe, might be the right word. Well, I've heard too, I don't know how true this is or not, but like the right word. Well, I've heard too, I don't know how true this is or not, but the response that you have to driving or even seeing certain images and the reaction you have towards things, sparks, like old evolutionary traits, the same kind of response fight or flight,

it's almost on that same intensity, just from a basic thing as like, whoa, I got to stop all of a sudden or I'm accelerating. So it's like or even just seeing images and videos and certain things that give you a certain reaction that it's the same type of stress. Like it's that it's at that high level. So you know, people just don't really consider that that's affecting them that high. Yeah, and I think, I guess the, you know, the kind of message I'd want to get across on

this particular podcast is that because we're constantly told how stress is bad and you want to reduce stress and stress causes, you know, has been linked to cancer and stress has been linked to heart disease and stress will cause all these health problems. But I don't, I don't think it's, that's 100% accurate. I think stress is essential for, for health. I think you have to learn how to manage it properly. Some of it is needed. Too much of it isn't good or the wrong kind, maybe not good, but you don't wanna aim for like this, because we always hear this, be positive. I just wanna be happy.

I see these people on social media and some of these podcasts that are here now or their whole answer to fucking everything is, be positive and just be happy. Oh my God, I run away from people like that. I don't think that's realistic, A, and B, I don't even think if you could get there, well, I think if you could get there,

I don't even think that would be a good thing. If you're just walking around floating like super like you just took fucking three, Molly Pills all happy all the time, I don't even think that's a, that's a, I don't even think that's a positive. Jack, you're so sad. Jack, you're so sad.

Because you're not living in reality. Well, actually, you reminded me that they reminded me of the movie The Matrix. Remember when he was talking about how they built the first matrix to be perfect utopia? But it totally failed because people wouldn't accept it. It's true. It's not part of our makeup.

I think you need to have some stress. It drives you. It allows you to wake up every day and have purpose. Oh, I agree. 100% I agree. That's right. So I think if you, when you look at stress, you have to look at it that way. Stress is essential.

It's good for health too much is bad or the wrong type is bad. And when you pay attention to it in that way, I think you have a more realistic way of making stress work for you. I think the unrealistic way is to avoid us to think that you have to avoid all stress and all stress. In fact, I think thinking stress is bad and adds more stress. Yeah, where do you know what I'm saying?

Where do you guys see these clients fail? What do you mean? Where do you see these clients, right? Because I tell you, when we're talking about how most more than half don't succeed. And these type of type A personalities, when they come, they hire you, they've trained with you, you know, and what is the common mistakes that those ones make?

For me, I think like one, just breaking the habit. It's just hard. They're the most stubborn ever, right? Which I do like training. That's definitely my favorite client. I feel like I can relate big time to them. I feel like I can help them the most. But they are fucking hard because they want fixes.

So fixes, usually, they want to see it like within a couple days Yes, you know, and it's like they don't you can't ever draw it out to where it's like okay Well, what does that mean like how long do I have to do this? It's always like this like we urgency to like get this thing to happen already Wouldn't you say that type a person? I they had that like really like they they're so used to everything else in their life Where the harder they work at it the more they've succeeded right because that applies to like business and school and these other these other avenues and like they've been successful they made their way through their school they got their degree they've gone on to a good job they're making it like insane discipline. Yeah exactly

they've got this great discipline they run a household they do all these things so and then they meet this this trainer who's going to help them get in shape and tell them a fitness and then he or he's going to tell them, well listen, I need you to stop doing that and stop doing this and pull back on that. And like the, the, you have to, like, I know like the way they look at me, it's like, okay, I've heard good things about this guy. I'm just going to trust, like, right at first, like, I see that look, like, I trust my first, but this motherfucker better show me something. You know, and that's what it is. Is they, you know, two or three weeks go by and it's like, hey, what's going on here? Where's my results? I'm doing what you told me.

I stopped doing this. I stopped doing this like, whoa dude, pump the brakes. We got some fucking rebuilding to do right now. The best success I found with people like that is to be very direct, to be very assertive. So, okay, you know, like right before we even start, here's the deal. I'm only gonna work with you if you do exactly what I say.

Now, I promise if you do exactly what I say, you're gonna see, you're gonna see some good results, but it's gonna take time. And if you don't do what I say, if I see you go off and doing extra stuff on your own or over applying intensity or dieting too hard, I'm gonna fire you as my client. So we need to agree upon this right away.

And right away I set the stage for, 100%. Do what I say, and a lot of type A people actually, appreciate that. They do. Absolutely, because if they get pissed off, they normally get pissed off because why didn't you tell me this was gonna take six months?

I don't know, what you mean to tell me you have to do that. And then you have to explain everything all the way through So you always have to be in their ear that this is this is the plan This is what we're doing. This is what's gonna get you there, you know You just have to keep reiterating that and and not stray from it So you know they know they're in good hands because otherwise then they start like traveling off to well I saw this on this magazine like stop it stop stop stop stop trying to fix Like you're doing it.

You just have to keep going, keep going. Keep listening to me. You got to be that voice in their ear. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, when you look at fitness is something that you're supposed to do for your whole life. And it's, you know, then you start to look at things a little bit differently.

I think when people view fitness and exercise as a fix for a particular goal, like I need to lose 10 pounds or 15 pounds. So I'm going to do this so I can lose the 15 pounds. Well, what happens after that? And that's I think where we run into a lot of the problems. I think if people look at it and say, okay, I'm going to start this thing. And the goal is to be able to do it forever. I think people when they go in with the right awareness, they start slower. They do things that are more realistic

that they think that they can stick to, and they tend to take smaller steps. Versus the, I can do this for three months to lose 30 pounds. I'm just gonna hammer this shit out myself and do this because they're only thinking. This should ignore my shoulder pain and what's going on with my wrists and all this because I'm so determined to get that 30 pounds

Well, that's what I mean I think that they if you look at it in three months period like I can get I can tell I can get almost anybody to commit to some crazy Ship for four four to six weeks. You know, I'm saying if I told someone look all you got to do is for the next six weeks You got to wake up a forearm you got to go swimming that cold ass lake Yeah, then we're gonna meet at the gym and but in four weeks, you're gonna lose all this weight. I bet you I can get a lot of people commit that to that, but because they're only thinking in that short period of time. But if people have the awareness to understand

that this is something that I'm gonna do forever, they tend to take smaller steps and they tend to do things that are more realistic. And of course, ironically, at the end of it, they end up getting better results. Anyway. You know what I was thinking, because you were talking earlier about like,

people addressing the environment and like nobody really kind of, you know, looks at it from that perspective, what is a life coach? Can you just somebody please describe that to me and like what the hell that is and like how that's like somehow involved in our industry?

Well, no idea. I actually think it's really cool. And there's a lot of people, I think that I easily think that you guys could do it. I think that... Probably already are. I'm just wondering what they define that. That's exactly what it is though.

It's somebody who helps. It really helps somebody with self-awareness. So if you're somebody who is just... You do not have that ability. You have a really hard time taking yourself out of scenarios and reflecting on everything that you encounter. Good, bad, and indifferent. Like, it's very tough for people to do that.

And I feel like there's, it's just created a position for someone. And I think in the generations coming, especially with this, the social media and this disconnect with other humans and stuff like that, people are becoming more socially awkward and there's becoming more of an importance of these people to understand social awareness

and self-awareness, like how are you making other people feel by doing this? Yes, they're just so. Kids aren't learning that. There's just so awkward about that that it's created this whole arena of jobs. And I actually know a lot of intelligent people that use a life coach and for them

they just take having another brain. Honestly for me, literally having the three of you together as much as we are, we do it to ourselves and don't realize it, but not everybody has that relationship. There are a few people who have a dynamic like we have and have the ability to respect your opinion. If I have something going on, whether it be personal in my life, if it's business, whatever that, I feel comfortable that I can express that to you.

And you guys won't tell me some, you know, like, you just like some a biased view. You'll give me objectives and you'll, or objective view and you guys will tell me, you will call me on my shit and I feel like you're smart enough that I trust that response from you. Not everybody has that.

See, I feel like for me personally personally just could the kind of person I am I would I don't know if I'd ever be able to say I'm your life I'll be a life coach hire me I feel so pretentious I know that's what I feel dude, you know what I mean like yeah, you're gonna hire me to do what like coach coach your life I mean I'm feeling it I'm feeling it I am killing it at life. Let me tell you yeah It feels like that. That's why I don't think I could ever do it I don't know if I get I'd have to be more specific I mean like I'll be your sales coach or I'll be our like mentor. I like mentor better Yeah, just because you know if you're like a at least like

Passing on information and like experience instead of just being like, yeah, I'm awesome That's the same thing with motivational speaking, I guess. I don't know. I feel like, you know, I've had people ask me to do motivational speaking. And I'm always like, well, I haven't done anything yet. Like, I can't go up there and motivate people to do anything if I haven't done anything. I feel like you guys could do it.

I don't feel like any of us would, because like you said, it would feel pretentious to do that. And I don't think, I think how we, what we do right here, we feel like we're giving back and providing, I feel, I wouldn't feel the need to have to do that. And that's a lot of pressure too when you think about it. You got somebody like coming to you like that, and you like, change my life.

Yes, we can. Oh shit. And that person's life doesn't pan out, because let's be honest, there's probably, I'm sure if you talk to one of these life coaches, the percentage that actually end up changing their lives and being great is very similar probably to personal training

because it still takes that internal work from them, they gotta do the fucking work. I think a big part of the help that they, the big part of the change is that they make and some people is the person went into it ready to change. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm ready to fucking, you know, to change.

Well that's just, yeah, exactly. That's just like people coming in to you know You're talking nutrition and fitness forever, but until they're ready. It's not gonna catch Well, well listen if you're ready go to mind pump media.com check out all of our maps programs We have the RGB bundle which is nine months of exercise programming and this month if you enroll in any bundle You'll get the no BS6 pack formula for free. Also, don't forget to check us out on Instagram at MindPumpRated. You can find me at MindPumps.com, justins at MindPump.com, justins at MindPump.com, and add

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