Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 403: Adam’s Journey from Fat to Fit, Avoiding Holiday Fat Gain, Intermittent Fasting & Performance & MORE

Episode Date: November 17, 2016

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Yeah, it is. Oh God, we are going to use that, motherfucker. We are. Did you see the picture that Justin put on the, was it Mind Pump Radio or the Person Pump Radio? Of the, on Instagram? Yeah, is that a great shot? No, one in the kayak?

Yes. That was with the GoPro? That's the GoPro. That's gorgeous. Oh, yeah. The footage, man. And what is so awesome, I didn't know. Did you guys all go kayaking or was it just you?

No, it's me. I never left the house, remember. Oh yeah. Just you and your wife. That's nice. No, Cassie and Tom. Cassie and Tom. Oh, okay. Yeah, they all went on it.

Actually, it was pretty cool. They got to hold a puffer fish and everything. They got underwater footage of it. I'll show you some cool pictures. Oh, okay. Yeah, my sister sent me over some real cool pictures. Are puffer fishes dangerous? That's a, no, no.

No, no, no, no. The blowfish. Yeah. Blowfish is the one with the spikes. Oh. Puffers are the ones who just go, yeah. Did you eat it? No. God, you're so who's just go, yeah. Did you eat it? No. God, you're so mean, dude.

Huh? Why would you eat it? It's a fresh. It's a friendly fish. It's a friendly fish. It's a friendly fish. It's a fresh mahi, though. Yeah, we did.

Mahi's my my his friend. You know how you, this is how I roll to a vacation. We go to a roll of vacation like that place we went, and then I bring a chef. Yeah, we have a chef on board. A chef? Chef. You brought Chef to the house.

Tell him how good that that those two major and oh my god dude everything four course four course meal just and you hate fish I know I only like it if I can see the fish and I know it's super fresh I ate I ate the shit of it you ate you ate the shit right out of it. You ate the fuck out of it. Hey, guess what? It's Adam's birthday. It is. It's Adam's birthday. Birthday.

Day. Gerado. Day. That's like the birthday. Happy birthday. The birthday gram I got that I told you guys about a long time ago. You know what? 25 has never felt so good.

You know, such a good age. I feel like it's never looked so old either That's great good for you man. Happy birthday. So that's nice. What are you doing today for your birthday working my ass off? Are you getting the birthday blow job? Probably by Justin. Yeah. Oh, why me? Why me? We talked about this Justin I'm who I wrote Shambod not who I was looking for Isn't it like paper goes over rock? I'm trying to say it doesn't. I feel like birthdays don't really matter after 30. After 30, they're all, they're all, they're all, they stop counting.

They're a little depressing after 30. You look forward to it. And isn't it funny how quick that switch is? Because I feel like, you look forward to them when you're a kid. Well, as in your 20s even are like, you know, like 21, obviously is a huge one, right? Everybody knows 21 is a big deal. And then 25, you can actually go run a car by yourself. And then nothing really happens till 30. And 30, I think I looked forward to,

because I had a baby face. I was always in like upper management position. So I felt like I didn't get enough respect until I was 30, until I was an adult. Like now I have to be responsible. People turn it into a thing, they call it like the dirty 30. Yeah, so 30 places. So 30 was legit.

Now everything is not exciting. Really? Yeah, I had a look in to get into 40. Well, that's why I didn't even bring, no. Really? No. I feel like, I dude, let me tell you something. Pay attention, man.

Pay attention to the fucking studs of the real studs of the world. They're under 40s and 50s, bro. Well, yeah, I mean, like the, I mean, I'm talking about like, you get a bunch of like, you get a bunch of studly 20, 30 year old dudes, hang around and then they walk amongst a group of like 47 year old like, that's fucking crazy. They don't have as much shit.

Dude, they'll fucking punk them. Yeah. I feel like I'm gonna be more awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna learn how to dance. I'm, look at it, let me do this way. Do you think you're more awesome this year than you were last year? Yeah.

I knew you last year, and I can say, unequivocally, you are slightly more awesome this year than when you last year. You've made an improvement. I like where you go, keep going. So I feel like, I feel like. I like where you're going with this. I feel like.

Just making my birthday better. And considering where you started, there's only, there's only go up all the way there. It's just, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, You only go up on my day. No, you just went back. Did you have a special birthday breakfast or anything like that? No, actually, all I've had today is coffee. I'm fasted pretty much. So, you know, I'm not really doing it. We just came off this work mode.

Yeah, I'm very much so in work mode. So Katrina's birthday is yesterday. So, today is mine. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, one day a part. That's weird me and my girl two days apart. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, wow, that is crazy. Very, very weird. What's your sign? Scorpio. That's right. You guys are both scorpio. Yeah, we're the best sign that you can have. So we have We decided science by the way. Yes, it is science. We decided that this year we were going to do and we do this quite often actually I'm not a big fan of Celebrating the I'm not although I do like some cake. I'm not a big alcohol party I don't like to make a big deal out of it You don't know and we got to take back the cocaine cake. We made for it. Well, that's maybe a little bit big

Actually, that could actually this could that could benefit that could that could benefit work today tell the strippers go home No, so this year that was part of Cabo. Cabo, her and I decided, hey, instead of going out, spending a couple grand on each other, on tangible things, let's do an experience, let's go do something for each other. And so Cabo was our gift to each other since we're a day apart.

So even though we weren't there on the day of our birthdays, we're back today. We were there with Katrina on hers and because we got back late last night, right? So that was our birthday gift, though, to ourselves was the Cabo trip. So that's my wife's birthday gift, too. Really? Is she a Scorpio also?

Really? It was a Scorpio trip, dude. There was three of us there. That was Stinger's flying. Wow. Totally means nothing to me. Yeah, but hey man So you're not gonna buy yourself in the morning people because every every that exactly that you say every year You buy yourself a burger. I do I typically there's nothing you're thinking about it. I tip well

I do well there. Why do you do that dude? I was I was just saying the the camera was going in So the camera goes in this week. What do you mean it goes in? It goes into the shop. Oh, you're doing something to the Camaro? I am. What are you going to put on it? Yeah, I'm going to put a turbo on it. You're going to turbo the Camaro?

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No, see, I'm gonna have to reinforce some things. So that's what part of why it'll be in the shop for a while. So the turbo is just one piece of what'll happen. So I need, I have somebody who is going to... I'm at turbocharged, my Jedi. That would be cool. That would be cool. Push 230.

But I told Katrina that's what I wanted before I left. I said, you know, your gift to me would be just getting it to the shop. So I believe she scheduled it to get picked up by the tow truck. I think it's getting picked up tomorrow the next day. Obviously I'm paying for what's getting done to it. But I said, Hey, could you just organize that for me? Because I've been putting this off for quite some time.

I need to get the the fan belt fixed already. So I that need to get fixed. So I figured why not put a turbo on it too. Fix the fan belt throw an extra 100 horsepower on it too. Why not? Why? Now why a turbo over a supercharger? Because I was under the impression that muscle cars,

typically people supercharged. You're right, typically that is. Damn it. But I knew something about cars. Oh, but most mechanics. Most mechanics, the turbo. I don't know everything about it. The turbo is less stress on the engine

than actually a supercharger Supercharger it's like You get the hits right away You get away for the turbo to Yeah, in fact you can and it kicks in when you when you throw it all the way down right you can actually drive the car

around without getting without really the turbo kicking in where the supercharger is that extra four-star constantly, right? And I shouldn't talk about cars, because I want to know very little about them. I just, I like to drive.

I actually just said the two things. I only two things I know about cars. And I was trying to find a way to inject those in one episode at some point. And good work. This was perfect, I'm pretty good at it. We should move along before some gear hits try and make sure we're there.

So what's your cake of choice then for your birthday? The Paris Baguette blueberry cake. Wow, and the red velvet cake from nothing but cakes. So I have two cakes coming this weekend. So you have two cakes. Yeah. One and you eat one after the other, or do you take one bite and then one bite?

No, one is your face, your eating of cakes. How does this work? One is for me to share with my guests. The other one is for me to eat. Who's, who, who, which one are you gonna bring us? Uh, yeah. You guys can have some of my red velvet cake, but the, the Paris bag get one is,

I'm gonna crush that off limits. That one's all me. You're gonna have sex with it and then eat it. Yeah, I do do that. Why is this one in the whole middle? You're gonna be fornicate with your food. Only you would do do do that. Why is this one a whole middle? You're gonna fornicate with your food. Only you would do something like that. You're a weirdo.

Food? Yeah, have sex with your food. Smash that cake. There is like a, there is a small genre of people that are into that, right? What? That are into like food, for play and stuff. Get out of here.

There, no, it's true. I've tried. I'm not really, it doesn't work for me. So, man, two is messy. Two is messy. You know what I think? You know know what honey? Do you really want to do this? So let's go eat now. I feel like I'm hungry. I don't know if it's keto babe Here's the thing that I here's the thing I think because I like to Whenever you there's a lot of weird fetishes out there and I say weird, but you know to the person who's into them

It's not weird, right? But I think it's because food has this, for some people kind of this taboo with food, like especially people who are super into fitness, I feel like see people who are in a super into fitness will probably enjoy doing this food sex stuff more than other people because it's like, oh my God, it's chocolate and sex, you know what I mean? Like, hey babe, I put chocolate sauce a little more my dick, you know what I mean?

I've never done that by the way, but I'm just saying, I think you have to have a major of icing on your back. Major food addiction to really enjoy that, right? I don't think. No, I'm saying duck. Because then you're having sex

and you're eating food you're not supposed to and it's like you're doing all these bad things. Yeah. All at once while your friends are watching. I think I have bad smelling food. No, I think it's more just like it's your thing. Right, so. Like for me, I am into like, you know, pretending like I'm a personal trainer and role-playing thing.

I like that one too. Yeah, well, because that's in the... You're pretending to be what you are. Yeah, that's what we're doing. Hey, babe, I got the fantasy. I'm going to pretend to be my pro-peries. I'm going to pretend to be myself because it's the best thing. You're going to be wearing yoga pants.

I'm going to rip a hole in it. That's the whole last second. No, I got it back up for the only out of what do that. Only out of it. You know, he would just girls sit down. I'm gonna rip a hole in it. That's the whole last second. Only, I gotta back up for the only out of what do that. Only out of it, you know, here with his girls sitting. I'm so awesome. This is like a pretend to be me right now. She's like, baby, I just, you know, I know we've had a couple of glasses of wine

and I really wanna get kind of weird and kinky. What do you think in Adam's like, I got the best idea. It's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna pretend to be myself. Cause that's the hardest thing. Here I am coaching you. Cause that's the sexiest thing.

I met like personal training. Cause I am coaching you. Because that's a sexy thing. I met like, personal training. Because I would never do that with a client, obviously. That's the idea is pretending. It's gonna be pretending to be something else, dude. Okay, truth be told, I pretend I'm you and I. God damn, whoa. It's weird. Whoa.

His chest is getting really ungunned for more. Whoa. Whoa. No, no, no, no. But I think this one's pitching a thing. I think people that have the fetishes with it, the food are already have like a food. Having again, a weird food thing, right?

But some foods are just sexual though, you know what I mean? Like you can't help like chocolate syrup. Like what, what sexual foods? Bro, foods that look like dicks are obvious. That's an obvious one. Oh, excuse me. That's obviously a fucking like a pickle or a banana. Oh, I make sure to watch myself when when eating a banana in front of you come on

You know I'd be like you go to the grocery store. You see a bunch of cucumbers. You're like Hey babe go grab a bunch of green complete Dicks. Hey babe go grab go grab a cucumber Pay attention to the one she grabs. It's not the tool. It's how you're using it. She gets the biggest one You know you got I'm grabbing the melons and I'm like I'm trying to envision my girl if I walked in the room and she was naked eating a cucumber How much so would I right well okay? She's naked that's gonna rouse me Yeah, see but that's the thing it's she's dressed yeah, if she's dressed eating a cucumber I don't know or a banana maybe I don't know what do you mean? I don't know if that gets me all hot and bothered

Not like eating it because you know what I think I think don't know if that gets me all hot and bothered not like eating it Cuz you know what I think I think I'm gonna be kissing her and I'm like I don't know if I want to taste But man, I want putting my tongue in her mouth. I don't know if I want to share your time Yeah, definitely cucumber. Maybe if I'm low on my greens for the day like if I'm like I haven't hit my greens This is could be hot. Okay, bro's get my RDA here and at the same time get some same thing like a hardcore fitness chick And she's like baby, I bought some food in the bedroom opens up like like broccoli. Yeah I knew you were low on your veggies today Maybe I want you to pour this protein powder all over me

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Chiropractors work. Chiropractors, yes. Some, just like some personal training. Now there's some good ones, some bad ones. Chiropractic care has been... Mostly bad ones though. There's been lots of studies done on chiropractic care for pain to ameliorate pain. We just consulted a bunch of chiropratures.

I know. It's calm down. There's lots of evidence supporting it. In fact, because there's so much evidence supporting it, many insurance companies will cover chiropractic care to certain points. And insurance companies do their research and whatnot, and they typically won't cover things that don't have some kind of benefit or statistical benefit. And chiropractic care is wonderful.

Now, I've worked with a lot of chiropractors myself and I've been very impressed with a very few of them. And there's also very few of them that I've not only been not impressed with, but I've also been like, what the fuck are you doing? Working with people. These are the chiropractors that think that chiropractic care and adjustments

can cure everything. And I'm not joking, literally, everything. The attention. I'm just supplements to it. Well, besides that, like, oh, you have an earache. Let me adjust your neck. Oh, you have the flu. It's because we need to give you an adjustment.

I mean, they'll think that it can do absolutely everything for the body and that their method is the only method that you need. The best chiropractors I've worked with have a very holistic approach and understand that there's this synergistic effect of working through working with correctional exercise working with maybe acupuncture

Doing adjustments when necessary not just doing adjustments, but doing adjustments when necessary and then doing Exercises to support those adjustments. Those are some of the best chiropractors ever work with Dr. Brink is one of those chiropractors who You'll go in and you'll do an adjustment if it's necessary, but a lot of what he does, so far from what I've experienced, has to do with correctional movement and identifying patterns of movement

because if you adjust somebody, if their neck hurts or their shoulder hurts and you do an adjustment and you take away some of that pain, but you don't correct the recruitment patterns and the movements that we're causing some of those problems to begin with, then you don't correct the recruitment patterns and the movements that were causing some of those problems to begin with, then you have this relationship with your chiropractor where you go every single week once a week to get your adjustment.

That's where I think some chiropractors get a bad reputation where they do that kind of stuff. But chiropractic care, a good chiropractor, can be incredible. I have an experience, I mean, I have a personal story anecdote experience where, you know, for a long time, I never went to a chiropractor, and I worked with, when I had my wellness facility, I had a massage therapist that was all about chiropractic care, and she would send a lot of her patients or customers to chiropractic care and she would send a lot of her patients or customers to chiropractic and to me and so we all kind of work together. And so I'd see how well clients would do working with me, working with massage, and working

with chiropractic care. And so I kind of little by little kind of became sold on the idea, but I still hadn't gone. I was doing a workout myself and I had injured myself doing a trap bar deadlift. Actually, the first time I pulled 600 pounds off the floor was with a trap bar. And at the very top of the movement, I felt a large, like a pop right next to my scapula in my back.

And super painful. I had to lay on the floor for like an hour. It was hard to breathe. I couldn't move. Finally, could get up. I went to this chiropractor who we were sending clients to. And I mean, it was the weirdest thing. He looked at me and he determined that he could do

a real mild adjustment because I was in so much pain. And it was instantly, like he didn't adjustment and literally instantly, like, I don't know, 30, 40% of the pain was gone, which was very strange considering how much pain I was in, you know, minutes before. It was a weird experience for me. Like, he popped, I felt like this warm, you know, sensation go through my hands, and then

all of a sudden I could move, and it's like the pain was almost half gone with just one adjustment, and then, you know, I went back a week later, and then after that week was completely better. So that was my own personal experience, but I've seen clients have great success incorporating chiropractic care. In fact, I met Doug through a chiropractor. Doug was referred to me by another good chiropractor who had identified that Doug had some muscle and balances and recruitment pattern issues, and Doug came to me as a referral

for Macirepractor and Doug used to have lots of back problems and now his back problems are almost non-existent. I think it's pretty rare now for Doug to have any back problems as a result, but that's my own. I was excited to put this question up for two reasons. One, I think it's a great topic. And two, I am, or we are about to bring on, in my opinion, the best chiropractor I have ever met in my life. And I have worked with hundreds of chiropractors over the last 15 years, either directly with them, whether I've gone in and seen a session with them,

they've seen clients of mine, or we've worked, in conjunction, like with one of my gyms, I would have them come in and give free assessments and stuff. And out of all these chiropractors, for the most part, I am not a big fan. And I know I've offended a lot of chiropractors because that's obviously an overgeneralization. There's a lot of bad trainers too, doesn't mean that all trainers are bad. Of course. Here's a couple of things, how you know if you have a good chiropractor or not. If you're chiropractor, all he does or she does

is adjust you and send you on your way. In my opinion, that's a shitty chiropractor. And the reason why that is, and the reason why I say, if Salad brings up, how great he'd this instant, and most people do feel great. So do not be fooled because you get adjusted and you feel amazing right afterwards that your chiropractor is doing all this great work for you.

Part of why you don't feel good is most all people do not walk around in the anatomical position anymore because their body has been curved and shaped because of all these imbalances, muscular imbalances. So what ends up happening is when you go see this chiropractor, he assesses you just like we would do as a personal trainer and I say, and we'll just use an example of a deviation that we talk a lot about, like upper cross syndrome. So these shoulders are all rolled.

The shoulder girdle is rolled forward. They have an excessive forward head, which is extremely common. The chiropractor comes in and adjusts you and realigns you and pops you back into place Now here's the problem is that they just they give you this in this initial relief because they pop you back into place But guess what you still go about your day still doing the same habits and movement that you always do Which what's causing you to have that pain are these tight muscles that are pulling you in out of alignment

And so when they realign you you feel great have that pain are these tight muscles that are pulling you in out of alignment. And so when they realign you, you feel great, but then guess what happens? Those same muscles that work, they don't fix the muscles. Those muscles are still tight. And so they then, what they do over the next week or two, or possibly days depending on how bad you are, they pull you back out of position again

and then guess what happens? You're achy again and you gotta go back and see this chiropractor again that just pops you back. And then it ends up being a lifelong thing that you have. I have my chiropractor that I love so much and he's so awesome because he makes me feel so good but he's really not fixing you. All he's doing is giving a temporary relief to your real problem and they don't address

the root cause. When you know you have a great chiropractor, they start to address the root cause. So this is why I fell in love with Dr. Brink when the first time, in fact, all the times that I've seen him, he's never once adjusted me. He's never once put me on the table and popped me into place. We've addressed all my muscular and balances that are going on and showed me movements and showed me movement patterns that I'm doing on and showed me movements and showed me movement patterns that I'm doing incorrectly and showed me how to fix those.

Now mind you, that's work for me. That means I have to outside of the after seeing him, I have to go do things on my own, I have to do specific exercises, specific stretches and specific mobility drills to help alleviate this. But when I do, it's long term. It's going to fix me forever if I start to incorporate this because we're starting to counter the other habits that I have throughout the day that we're causing these imbalances. So when you have a good chiropractor, you know this because not only will he adjust you,

if he even adjusts you at all, he's going to address the issues. He's going to address the root cause and give you exercises and stretches and corrective work to do throughout the rest of the week when you're not seeing that. That's... Yeah, it's a lot of the same feelings that I have towards physicians and trainers where with physicians, if you're going there to get your pills that help you get temporary relief, and they're going to give you prescription and they're going to nail it down to what's gonna make you feel the best. But as opposed to something like functional medicine where they're gonna look beyond that,

and they're gonna see the toxicity, and they're gonna look at, and they're gonna test for things that maybe, at the root of the problem, and trying to trace back. And the same thing with trainers, if they're the type of trainer that's just gonna take you on to just lose body fat or to just lose weight. And that's the main purpose is to make you feel better about, doesn't matter how they did it, right?

But they got you there. Yeah, the reason why this is hard for a lot of people, just like what you're doing is comparing to like, physicians that is those the pills give you that relief. The adjustment gives you this initial way. So people connect to that. They go like, oh, I must have an awesome doctor. Oh, I must have an awesome chiropractor

because whatever he just did to me or whatever she just did to me gave me relief. And so I feel better. And unfortunately, they don't realize they're getting something that's a very temporary and all they're doing is setting themself just like the pill thing you say, like, now you become dependent on these pills to make you feel better when in reality, there's a root cause to what's causing all these issues and we're not addressing it.

And there's definitely a place for adjustments. And like, Sal mentioned, like I have a personal experience when I used to play football, and just the traumatic experiences of slamming into somebody else has caused my alignment to be off. And I've had ribs and vertebrae out of alignment, and where they were really, it was painful, and I could barely breathe to a point where, I needed somebody to at least give me that kind of relief so that I could work on myself and get back to a position where I could build my body back.

Yes, I used to train a lot of surgeons and physicians, more of your traditional doctors. And some of them were very dismissive of chiropractors. They'd say things like, oh, it doesn't work, there's no science to support it, it's baloney, and then the other half would love it. And the ones that loved it was because they had their own personal experiences. Unfortunately, there is some science supporting,

like I said, but there's not a whole lot of science supporting it. And this is, I think, where you get the divide among the scientific community about chiropractic work. And sometimes it's the language chiropractors use. You know, when they say out of alignment, like what does that mean? You know, if I take an x-ray of you and look at your ribs, and you know, there, and there's a chiropractor saying your rib is out, and we look at the, we look at the x-ray, a regular doctor will say, the rib is fine, doesn't look like anything's out. Or I don't see anything that's out with your spine,

or I don't see what changed with this adjustment. Unfortunately, I think though, when we don't have the language to explain or the conclusive, hard science sometimes, we tend to dismiss things. And I think that sometimes that's a bad thing. I think for a long time, for example, I'll give you an example. If you look at old wives' tails, right?

We were told as kids, or at least when I was a kid, if I had a cough, my mom would give me some honey and some hot water to drink. We were told that honey helps with a cough. Then as I got older and started taking courses and fitness and nutrition and health and people laughed at it and said, honey, that's an old wives tale, right? Honey doesn't do anything for that. And then fast forward to the later, I'd take my kids to the pediatrician

and they have a cough and the pediatrician says, oh, give your kids some honey. And I'm like, I thought that was bullshit. I just recently learned that that was just an old wives tale. This is, no, actually we've now identified that there's something in honey that helps suppress the cough. So there was all this anecdotal evidence. Yeah. And we just didn't have the, either the language or the science and necessarily support it because we didn't really know what to look for. This is true for lots of different things. We're

learning this about fasting, for example. Now, there's lots of science supporting fasting. Well, fuck, for thousands of years, we've been told that fasting was healthy, hypocrite's, you know, said fasting was good. And for a long time, modern medicine said, there's no, you don't need to fast. There's no cleansing that happens. There's nothing, you know, it's, that's an example. Phone rolling is an example. I, uh, acupuncture is another example. A size therapy. Those are all examples.

Explain, explain massage therapy, right? Are you really breaking up? What are adhesions? What are knots? Are we really breaking them up? But you try and find, it's hard press to find anybody who has not had extreme, had a great, relief, relief from massage session. You know, I know, everybody that works out

has had an experience where they've done something, they felt a pop lots of pain They go to the doctor doctor does X-rays MRIs nothing's wrong with you But you felt a pop and you're in a shit ton of pain. Well, what the fuck is going on now? What then you go to a chiropractor They pop you again and then the pain has gone so Although you can't we don't necessarily have the studies to talk about what's happening There's some theories behind it, but I'll tell you what, when it comes to the adjustments themselves, those are also an important part of chiropractic care, but I think what we're saying is the best chiropractors are like the best personal trainers. The ones that take a

very bold... Yeah, they take a whole approach. Like, if you have a personal trainer that is, you know, looking at you and adjusting, looking at you according to muscle imbalances, recruitment patterns, recommending you to massage therapy to help them correct those imbalances. Maybe you have something off and you have a good chiropractor that they can refer to you to because they have this holistic approach. Those typically tend to be the best trainers because they understand that, there's some benefit in all of these different modalities. And the best chiropractors do the same thing. So the ones that Mind Pump tends to work with,

like Dr. Brink, has that approach, has that very holistic approach. Well, it's a great example by bringing in the personal trainers. And that's why I think it's important. We give that analogy because I know I'm sure there's chiropractors that listen that we're probably offending right now that by for sure there's some great ones out there,

but if you've got somebody who that's all they're doing is adjusting you, I feel like that's the same, so I have a client right now that I help, right? And she has so much, she's got pain going on, she's had all kinds of different surgeries on her back and she's had a reconstruction on her knee. She's got shoulder stuff. I mean literally all this stuff going on. Now I could literally be a personal trainer. She could hire me I could come in and I could give her a workout. We could do bicep curls and chest presses and seated rows and We could do this stuff and I could be a trainer and work her out and build a little bit of muscle and burn some calories and burn some fat and put On a diet and then can be considered a good or decent trainer. But really, I'm not that good.

Really what I should be doing is addressing these life changing things that have altered her life because of she can't sit all the way down or her shoulder like freezes up and it drives her crazy all day long or her neck bothers her to the point where she gets migraines like, I want to get to that stuff. So the type of things that I'm doing with her are completely different than the average trainer would take a client through. And I am, I've recommended her to guys

that are far more advanced with mobility and chiropractors like Dr. Brink that are going to help her. And together we are trying to get her to move better and feel better and in conjunction with me training here. So I think that's the same analogy with these chiropractors is if you're just going in and getting adjusted, you get adjusted and you see your chiropractor once a week or once every other week and that's all they're doing for you, they're really not that great of a chiropractor. You're looking for somebody that's going to help fix everything

else and it has a much more holistic or looking for the root cause of what's bothering you. VH.christinj. How long was Adam's journey from fat to fit? You like that question? You know why I had Doug put that up because you referenced your journey that you did not that long ago where you had really let yourself get out of shape when you had left the fitness industry and then you had decided to get in the best

shape of your life and then you documented it and you know were able to utilize that to build a social media presence and eventually brought you to Mind Pump. But you don't necessarily talk about the details. You've never really talked much about what you did and what you learned, maybe what you did right or wrong during that period of time. I mean, you went into it. Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of things. You went into it as an experienced trainer.

You weren't just some guy who got fat to fit. You went into it, having already had been fit before, having, at that point, you had already been a trainer for 12 years or something like that, having been a leader of trainers. So let's get into that a little bit, you know? So yeah, look, I'm going to need your help with guiding me through what you want me to answer here because there's so much that went into this. Hold your hand, bro. So we say fat to fit. I don't think I was obese. I was about 20 hand, bro. So, we say fat to fit.

I don't think I was obese. I was about 20% body fat. But for me, that was the heaviest or the most out of shape I'd ever been in my life. I was 30 years old. And a couple different things promoted me to do this. One of them being that I remember all through my 20s as a personal trainer, one of the hardest things for me to overcome with clients was my age that I was so young, that I was 20 something years old and how could I know what it's like to be fat and try

and get in shape or have all these other issues that were going on with life. I don't know what it's like. I don't know what it was like to feel this way yet. So that was a big part. That was a huge motivator for me. So when I had turned 30 years all I thought, okay, this is good because people are always talking about me being so young. Well, I'm no longer considered super young. A 30 is still a young age, but you're not like the teenager who's playing basketball and sports every single day and super active. They can eat whatever they want. I'm now at an age where I drink or eat or do something that's in a colorex surplus, it seems to stick right to my body, which a lot of people talk about.

So that was one of the big motivators. And when I first started doing this, I thought, okay, what I want to do is I want to document it on YouTube so people can, I can share with them the process and even the struggles that I have and the mental warfare. And I think that this is... Let me ask you this, because you were a trainer, you were fit, then you did this where you kind of let things go. Besides the way you looked, because that's obvious. I mean, people can go on your Instagram

and maybe you can post, when this airs, maybe you can post your before and after. You know, back on your Instagram page, so people can see it, but, because it's pretty dramatic. It's a pretty dramatic before and after. There's probably a lot of listeners and they're even seen that.

It's a pretty dramatic before and after. But here's what I noticed when I look at the picture. And this is why I want you to go into detail about, what that was like. Yes, your body looks different, but what looks different to me, and maybe because I have a trained eye, is your look, your energy, the look on your face.

And I don't mean just one, your face was a little fat or one or not. Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. You almost looks like, I don't know. You had a look of not, your health wasn't as good. Your energy wasn't as good. Your motivation wasn't as good. You know,

Well, that's a good place to start, which where you're going right now, because. Yeah, what did you notice? One of the things that I remember talking about and feeling was, not having enough time in the day. I remember thinking to myself, where did it go? Like, I used to working out was a daily thing for me and it was easy to get my hour work out. And of course, at that time, back in those days, I was working at a gym. So it seems obvious. This would be easy because I'm in a gym.

Now I'm no longer working for a gym. So how do I schedule this one hour at a time that I don't seem to have anymore? That was that was a big deal for me. And I remember sharing that and saying like this was a challenge. It was a challenge for me to figure this out. And a lot of that was the lack of energy and motivation. It's crazy how when you fall off like that. And for as long as I had fallen off, it was a good solid year that I had really fallen off of training and eating consistently. Within that year, I still sporadically did it, but consistently eating, eating good and training consistently. I had fallen off. And it was a lot of it was work. I was working 10, 12 hours a day and it was just like, it's

not possible. I can't possibly get in the gym. It's not, you know, I don't have enough time and I'm exhausted after a long day of work. You don't realize how much your energy levels start to lower when you stop training and working out. It does seem that way. It made me really understand when my clients would say that to me that there's not enough time in the day. It also made me realize that once I made the priority of getting that, all of a sudden I had this extra energy.

Then it was like so, it was easy. It was obvious like how did I ever miss this hour of my workout? Because not only was I able to get it in, but now my days were so much more productive. And I didn't think that was possible being a guy that was a workaholic working 10, 12 hours a day. How did I get this extra hour now of training?

Well now what it took me 10 to 12 hours a day was now taking me eight, eight, nine hours a day. So your productivity went up. Oh, my productivity went up to significant. How was your, how were you, did you notice any changes in like mood and stuff like that? You can see it in my videos. If you listen to my YouTube videos when I first started,

you can hear it in my voice. And it's so crazy, because now I did that intentionally. You can hear me talking like, okay, so this is day one. You know, I'm trying, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I'm talking to the camera about like what the process that I'm going through, and then you fast forward and you listen to it two, three months down the road when I've got some momentum.

I started to lose some body fat, and you can hear a change. And when I listen to myself on like the podcast now and I listen to the way I was talking, I was like, I'd seem to sound like two different people. Totally. It seems like there's a big shift and I don't know when it exactly it happens, but when you stop moving as much and you stop making that a priority or even working out, it comes

to a point where it's like your body starts to then crave even less movement versus the other. So when you start making that a priority again, you start ramping that process up again where it then starts to crave the movement again, get energetic towards that. But like, you could really like get to a point where it just starts the shutdown process. So what was step one, like how did you, what was step one? What was it like because obviously a year off There's a lot man. That's a lot to take off for anybody And that's a year is enough to erase whatever fitness you had So so I talk about this is that okay because the goal was to reduce body fat

And I came out and I said this is I think this is a big mistake that most people make is Trying to lose weight right away. I needed to lose body fat. I needed to lose fat for sure. So you made that mistake? No. This is what most people make. And so when I'm talking to the camera, I tell people that my goal at first right now is to start to just clean up the diet and to start being aware of the foods that I'm consuming.

And I don't want to see a shift in my weight on the scale. And one of the things you'll notice is when the whole before and after picture is there's only literally like I think a six or a seven pound difference total. And I look like a 30 pound difference is on my body, but really it was only six pounds because of how slow of a process that I did it. And I explain that when I first start off that, what I want to do is I want to start to incorporate exercise and movement. And I want to start to change the foods,

the types of foods that I'm choosing to eat. So I'm getting rid of all this junk food. I literally was eating junk food. Like I was eating fast food. What was it typical, like a typical day? Oh, bro, Jack in the box was in there. I was, I get up in the morning. I'd probably skip breakfast and drink a speed stack

or a rock star on my way to the morning, I'd probably skip breakfast and drink a speed stack or a rock star on my way to the club, to work. We'd work for a couple hours and I would go across the street and get like a bagel, you know, ham and cheese, bagel breakfast thing with maybe even a donut or something. Then I'd go a few more hours, I'd go by quiz nose and get a chips and soda and a big steak and cheese type of sandwich and then dinner would be like You know a jack in the box type of meal like that. I literally was eating like this for you know a good a good year And I still was like I said I still would get every once in a while I'd get to the gym here in there

But nowhere near consistent like I was and the the eating was what was killing me and then I also now went to a Sedentary type of job. I was sitting behind a counter, I was on a computer, I was on a desk, a majority of the day. So it really like creeped up on me. It wasn't like I woke up and was like, oh my God, I'm super fat. Like I just kind of fell off and being a small guy,

I always wanted to put size on. So I was never really concerned about putting body fat on because it was tough for me to put weight on. So I always struggle with that. So you rationalized it a little bit, is that what you did? Yeah, totally. Exactly. So, you know, eating the jack in the box and things like that

and even seeing the scale go up a couple of pounds. In fact, here's a crazy twisted part. I remember like being 200 pounds, right? And trying to become a muscular 200 pounds was like this huge goal for me my entire life. I had never seen over 200 pounds. So then when I became sedentary eating all this junk food, I crept up over 200 and there was actually a little part

of me that was like, oh cool. Yeah, like I was accepting. God, look at how crazy is this. How crazy is that? Yeah, really? It's true story. True story. True story.

True story. You know, your mind wants to go there because you had such a, I mean, it was a poor relationship with your body, your body image. Yeah. And you look at the scaling, you're, your mind wants to go there because you had such a, I mean, it was a poor relationship with your body, your body image. Yeah. And you look at the scaling, you're like, oh cool. You know, I'm 200 pounds now. It's part of why I feel like we're so passionate

about what we talk about. And I know we offend people sometimes when we talk so passionately, but it's because, man, I fucking get it. I get it because I was there too, and I had the same issue that literally, I'm eating junk food, I'm putting it in, and I feel like we even have some people that are on our forum that wanted to be bigger

and stuff like that and they still kind of eat that, junk food, a lot and they allow it in their diet because I know that they have the same mentality as I did because I did it too and I did it as a trainer and I did it knowing better. It's no different than telling someone who always wants to lose weight, eat more, let's say protein or eat more, let's say protein,

or eat more of a fat, or whatever, that they're so afraid that they're going to gain weight, that they stay away from those things. It's no different, it's just the reverse. Yeah, I'm sorry. Right, so initially you just cleaned up your diet then, you're just... Yeah, so initially, well, before that even happened, right, the first red flag for me, because I was okay with that 200 pounds, I was like, man, this is awesome. I'm 200 pounds. But I remember laying in bed with Katrina one night, and I was on my side. And I remember scratching my stomach. And when I went to scratch my stomach, I could feel my stomach hanging. I never felt that in my life before. I never felt my stomach

could hang. It was like, I never had that problem. Like, even when I didn't have abs, I still had kind of a flatter stomach. I never had a belly that would slide from side to side. I never felt my stomach could hang. It was like, I never had that problem. Like, even when I didn't have abs, I still had kind of a flatter stomach. I never had a belly that would slide from side to side. Like, I never felt that before. And when I felt that, I was like, oh shit, this isn't the 200 pounds that I wanted. You know, this is a different type of tool. It's like, trouble.

Yeah, this is not good. So that was the big like, whoa, kind of wake me up. And then when I started taking pictures, because that's another thing too, is that I was filling out my clothes. And because I'm a, because my body type, I'm very tall and lanky, people weren't, people didn't think I was fat.

People didn't say like, oh my god, what happened to you out of shape? Like, people thought I was in pretty good shape because I had these long limbs and my arms looked lean and thin. Like, you weren't walking around with your shirt off? Yeah, exactly. So in my head, I just justified the seating and didn't think I was really doing as much

damage as I did until we started, until I started this process. And then a lot of this was like, wow. And so the first part was, okay, no more checking the box, no more rock stars. Get rid of all that. Well, not even trying to lose weight. Yeah, not even trying. And actually, I did not want to lose, and I make that very clear that I want to replace all these empty type calories

with whole natural foods and good nutritious calories. So that was really the goal at first was just replace all this garbage, and I know it's, and this is what also makes me so passionate about, you know, the IIFYM people, and people that say there's no such thing as good calories and bad calories. It's like, you know, our good food and bad food. Like, fuck yes, there is.

There's a big difference. And so, and that was what I wanted to do was to eliminate all these junk calories that weren't doing a lot of benefit for my body and start putting healthy nutritious foods. And right away, just from doing that and creating movement and activity in the gym, you are, I could already start to feel the energy start to come up. I also make it very clear too is I didn't want to hammer the body. I didn't want to go in the gym and start. I had to be okay, which this was talk about a mental check, being a guy, being a trainer, being a strong trainer, going over and lifting a little silver weights, you know, I was over there lifting a real light. Silver weights.

Yes. I'm over there lifting a little, the little, little 15 pound dumbbells knowing that I could go over and grab double that weight, but knowing I didn't need to. All I needed to do was get in there, start moving the body and stimulating, and start, and I knew that my body right away

would start to adapt and change. So that was a big part of... When did you notice during this process? Because here's the interesting thing. You had the unique opportunity of being inside a situation that you've seen clients being hundreds of times, right? It's almost like a psychiatrist being able to examine their own mental illness as it's developing,

being able to step outside of it, and objectively look at it. Like here you are, trainer for years, training people, let yourself get out of shape, it creeps up on you, like you said. Now you're starting to get back into it. When, was there a moment during this period of time where you noticed this kind of shift, like,

oh shit, I'm getting back to myself, where you could kind of tell the huge disparity or the big difference. What was that like? What happened? Oh yeah, it was when the workouts and everything became enjoyable because the beginning wasn't enjoyable. The very beginning is discouraging. It's discouraging because you don't see

a significant amount of change, it's work. The energy levels aren't really spiking yet. I don't feel super strong yet. I don't look way better yet. And a lot of the work's getting put in, but I'm not getting a lot of return yet. So it was the best thing that ever happened to me in my life was for this to happen because it made me

such a complete trainer now. I felt, and I didn't think I was an incomplete trainer until I went through this process because it allowed me to see that other side, to see what it's like for people, and then to know what a challenge it was. Even, and so that's why too, when I talk to clients and I say, man, I know, and I get it, I understand

because I know better and I know still, I understand, because I know better, and I know still what a mental game it was for myself. And so, I think that when I tell people about the journey, and I explain to them that it is, it's this long process, and there's lots of steps along the way that you're gonna make that are in the right direction, and every once in a while you're gonna have step-backs,

because absolutely, I had vacation in there. You know, I had times where I was traveling, I had holidays, I had lots of... Now this was a year long. Yeah, it was about a year. I would say the total from, so I went from 20% body fat down to the lowest body. So the goal was, I was in the worst shape of my life and I was like, I can't just say I'm gonna get in shape because getting in shape out of the worst shape of my life. And I was like, I can't just say I'm gonna get in shape because getting in shape out of the worst shape of my life,

I didn't think it was that big of an accomplishment. I felt like I needed to show, okay, I'm gonna go in the best shape of my life. So at that point, I had never seen below 9% body fat ever. So that was the goal, was to get below that. And the finished product or the finished fat to fit journey for me was down to, I think it was 7.2% body fat. And I dunked at the very beginning,

so I did a hydrostatic way at the beginning, so I had a... So you were consistent? Yeah, so I had something to track. Well, two things, first statement is, I find it interesting how a, you know, I hate to use some auto types, but somebody who considered themselves a hard gainer

or an ectomorph had never seen below 9% body fat. And that's just because you were so afraid of being, quote unquote, skinny, that you constantly always fed yourself so much. Never let yourself go down leaner than that. My entire life, so here's another twist. And I know, because I can remember. Here's another twist to the story.

So in 30 years old, right? 30 years of my life, I had never gone on the cut or leaned out. My 30 years of my life, I spent on the bulk. It was always trying to gain. Always trying to gain. I never felt, I ever had a hard time. And even like when I would get in leaner shape or better shape as a trainer,

because I always fluctuated between that nine to 12% as a trainer. And the difference between me at 12% and nine percent was like cardio and activity. I would just play basketball, get on the treadmill a little bit. I never really had to change the diet or I never was like reducing or restricting because I was always trying to gain and it was very easy for me to go the other direction until until this point. So let me ask you this now.

The question I have is obviously since that time, because how long ago was that that transformation? Let's see here. This is now five years ago. So five years ago, of course, at the time, you were also an experienced trainer. But today, much more experienced, and of course, since we started Mind Plum, I think the three of us can, we've said many times on the show, how much we've progressed in our understanding of exercise and nutrition and of ourselves in a short period of time. Going back now, what did you do that you think you could have done better?

Do you think applying some of the stuff that we talk about now, like in our programs, would have made a big difference? Or did you already, and not really know what to call it? There was a couple things. One, actually, I was doing, this is why I fell on look why you know we hit it off so much when I came across maps read because When I had seen what you had designed and I it was kind of I was kind of Losely following something similar. That's why when it when you when I saw what you it's funny man When you when you try to seek the truth the answer is the same. You get two mathematicians trying to find the answer

to an equation. If they both find the answer, it's the same one. And it's part of what made all this so magical was I happened to have been going through this process. You and Doug had already created maps, the maps and a ballic, and I was just like, dude, this couldn't be so right on. And it just, you had a structure to it,

and I didn't have structure. I was just kind of, I was going off of how I felt, you know, and kind of listening to my body, doing these like full body type routines. And, you know, when I saw the, I was like, oh my god, this is, this is exactly, this is exactly what people need to know. And this is exactly how you should be training. If I were to go back and I think there was some things I could have done better, I, at this time, I was still utilizing shakes and bars a lot.

I think, and I wasn't using intermittent fasting yet. So those two tools, I had not really incorporated that much. I still relied a lot on bars and shakes. But you know, the- What about mobility type stuff or like that stuff? Okay, yeah, that's something else. Mobility for me really did not come into play until we created Maps Performance. I never made that a priority. And now, it's, and that never became a priority until I got into

competing because when I got into competing, that was the first time I ever designed a program where I was so focused on aesthetics. Because as a trainer, I kind of did, if you were, if we, if we didn't, if I didn't have any programming or like a structure to what I did, I did a blend of Maps Red, Green, and black all together every single day, like every other day. Like I never had this out of all of us. I probably had the least structured programming, but what I did really well was incorporate all the different things that we

utilized on a regular basis. But when I started getting into competing, I became so aesthetic driven that I had never started to notice the imbalances until afterwards, because two years of competing caused me to be so aesthetic-focused that I neglected a lot of the mobility, and so when we all created maps performance together, it was so obvious to me

how much I needed this, and it was game changer for me when I started incorporating it. So yeah, going back, yeah, having a blitz, mean, that's why, you know, the RGB is, you know, I know we have a lot of people that like follow one of our programs or have purchased one or the other, but I believe everybody should go through the entire process. I believe that whether, no matter where you're at in your journey or what your goal is, you know, all all three of those programs have something for everybody in it. And I think everybody would greatly benefit by going

through all three of them at some point. Well, that's why I wanted to stress how long I took you because there's a lot of, it's rare that you look on a before and after and it's not. 60 day, 90 day, you know, before and after. Could Adam have, you know, and that might as my professional opinion, but could Adam have made a visible

dramatic Change within 90 days. Yeah, absolutely he could have Would it have been the same kind of change the same kind of long lasting change the same kind of change that led from Led Adam from what he looks like in the before and you need to post this on your Instagram So people know to becoming a professional IFBB pro To now having incredible mobility with exercise, you know with with your exercises and your strength and No, I think it's a long process and when people ask me, you know, why is your your RGB bundle nine months?

Planed out. I'm like because that's what it takes. Well, not only it takes to do it right? I think that's a that's the minimum of what Well, not only what it takes to do it right. I think that's a, that's the minimum of what it takes. Cause even though my fat to fit journey, like, I believe that my fat to fit journey is still going. I think that, you know, like, you brought, I brought up intermittent fasting and I brought up, you know, shakes and bars, like these are things that recently, um, I've been changing and incorporating like the ketogenic diet. We didn't do that till way later after I competed. So there's things that I've been changing and incorporating, like the ketogenic diet, we didn't do that till a way later after I competed.

So there's things that I've learned about my body. There's choices that I've now made that has benefited my overall journey towards health and longevity that had nothing to do with me even coming to eye. So I was an IFBB pro and yet I still have evolved my fitness journey. So, but it's hard because people look at me from the aesthetic point and I looked like I was in, I was in better shape when I got on stage, but really I'm not. I'm healthier in better shape now

than I've ever been in my entire life. Sure, I don't look better than I did than the guy who got on stage, but I'm much healthier and much more balanced now than I ever was from a mobility standpoint, from an internal, from gut health. Like those type of things, from sleep, from stress, like there's so much more.

And like right now I feel like I'm on this kick of, you know, meditation and getting into that more. That was, this is a piece of my health. And I feel like if I can give somebody something as far as like, you know, your journey of getting in shape, it's like, it's a never ending journey. And I think like once you accomplish one piece, it doesn't end there. It's like, now you search for the next part or next piece that you can improve upon and get better and then sharpen and then you

get better at that. And then you move to the next piece because there's so many aspects to health and wellness. It's not just aesthetics. It's not just performance. It's just not strength. There's so many elements to it, and there's so many different aspects that I think that we can always be improving on and getting better. And I think that's important to note that you don't weigh on one of them so much and hang everything on that.

Like, oh God, if I don't look this way, I'm not healthier. Or if I don't move a certain way, I'm not super in shape. Like, I think that's a really important message that you're stressing because you do see this a lot. You know, you've seen trainers make books out of this. You've seen this become like this big thing,

this fat to fit, to fat to fit, to fat to fit, journey. And it's all about what they look like and the process that they identified with the struggles of their client and all this kind of thing, they over-hyped this process of it being so hard and then they got to this pinnacle, but then what?

It's like, now I'm fit, but they're not really telling people now steps to improve other aspects and other things that you should really constantly be refining and honing in on this process to get to your software, it's not going to be a problem again. This isn't going to be this fluctuating, fat fit, fat fit race. I think that, you know, it's all brought up to the programming thing.

I think now, probably the thing that I take away right now, where I'm currently at in my overall journey is, this is the least effort I've ever had to put into my journey to feel and look the way I feel right now. So, I may not, like I said, look like I'm in the best shape of my life, but I'm very happy with the amount of time that I have to spend in the gym and the effort I have to put into paying attention to what I'm eating for the results. It's funny, it's funny you say that

because there's still, and I gotta be honest with you Adam, there's still an element that you have when you say that of there's still an element of, okay, I need to look a particular way that you have when you say that, let me explain. The average person looks at you. You'll look like a, not a very fit guy. You look like a very big muscular guy.

But here's the question I wanna ask you. Now, doing what you're doing now, because you're saying it's the least amount of work you've ever had to do, or effort you had to do to look the way you do, and you look fantastic. And I'm not just saying this because I'm your coach, if anybody saw you, people stare at you when we walk around. But, and it's gonna be hard for you to see that

because you still have a little bit of that body image. And I know I'm the same way, I understand. But let me ask you this, now knowing what you know now and applying what you know now, can you see this how this now can happen for the rest of your life versus before? Oh yeah, this is- Do you see what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's a much more attainable realistic. Now you can see yourself being an old man doing this. Whereas before you're like, how am I going to keep doing this? And I think that's right. I know I was the same one. I think that's what I stress to people so much. And I think it was just a recent episode that we talked about this where I feel like so many people

look up to these fitness, its inspiration inspiration, you know, Instagram, it's the celebrity people that, you know, year around, they look like they're stage ready and they just look fucking awesome. I'm like, man, that's such an unrealistic, unattainable thing to maintain forever, you know. And there is a way to have good aesthetic shape and be in good shape, but the way these guys are promoting and showing is not the way. This beast mode no days off, you can't maintain that for the rest of your life.

Sure, can you do it for a part of your life and can you make it a goal to get in a search? Absolutely, and I'm all for that. I love competing for that. I loved challenging myself to get that kind of shape, but I want to feel good year around. I want to be able to go on vacation like I just did and come back, be there and feel good and look good. I want to come back and feel good and look good, be able to have missed several days in the gym. I have such a better awareness of my training, my diet, like everything. And I think that's what I

think that's what we're always trying to give to people that listen, you know. Excellent, listen. The RGB bundle, we're giving away now for free this month is the fast thing guy. You talked about fast things. So I want to make sure I let people know. If you get the RGB bundle, which is the nine months

of exercise programming, you'll get that for free and you can pick a maps shirt, whatever maps shirt you want. You can find those at mindpumpmedia.com. Next question, Doug. Yes, ASAP Bob is asking about intermittent fasting and performance or for athletes and how is it beneficial? So the full question was this particular person. Lots of controversy. Yeah. Yeah. This person said, look, they've talked a lot to

coaches about fasting and know, fasting and no coaches say that fasting will benefit an athlete in terms of performance now. Right. They said there's no benefit. Right. Right. Now if you're looking for an acute benefit, you're right. You know, if you're an endurance athlete or a strength athlete, you're going to perform better if you are not in a fasted state, you know, even you're an endurance athlete or a strength athlete, you're going to perform better if you are not in a facet state. Even when we were interviewing, you know, the American record holder in 100 mile running, who eats a strict ketogenic diet and does lots of fasting

during his runs, he still feeds himself during the runs because he's doing this long run. But what one comment he made was that his body had become so efficient and sensitive to carbohydrates and things that he was consuming, that he needed way less to fuel his body during his event. He processed it, he assimilated it way more effectively. Yes, and so this would be like saying, will maximizing your health make you a better athlete? Of course it will, indirectly it will. So I don't think you should,

if you're gonna go train in a high performance endeavor, I don't think you should go into it fasted. Like if you're gonna compete, you're better off having some food and some glycogen. Yeah, you're fighting against one more element. Right. Yeah, you're depriving yourself of that kind which is, yeah, you're depriving yourself of that kind of energy boost that you would get from eating.

Right. But if you utilize fasting intermittently, not necessarily, and that's the part I was going to interrupt and say to you is that I think when you do it, we're doing it for overall health benefits, which can carry over into your performance later on. But obviously, yeah, the quick acting sugar right away, but here's the thing too. And this is anecdotal, but I mean, anybody who's actually done this read and don,

we'll talk about this. We've mentioned, we've talked about this with him a little bit off air and shit when we got into the intermittent fasting and performance is that, you, there's something to be said about when you start to incorporate that or like if you go keto, gin and you pull carbohydrates, hard carbohydrates.

Easy for you to say. Pull them away. I'm a hundred. And then you reintroduce them how sensitive the body becomes to them. And I know this like when I was competing like when I rode run a low, low carb diet and then all of a sudden I in just like 50 grams of carbs

in my body goes, oh, I was gonna say because even like the actual protocol, correct me if I'm wrong, is that like you really want to deplete yourself of glycogen, pre, you know, going into that like carb loading for like an endurance race or something like that. Well, think about it, I love the sponge analogy with that. And if you're constantly dumping water on a sponge, right,

it just kind of after a while, it just starts to kind of run through it. Versus if you squeeze that sponge, all that water out dry, and then pour a couple of water on it, what happens, it ends up soaking up so much more of that than if the sponge was already full. I mean, think of your muscles and your glycogen stores

like that, if you squeeze it out completely dry, then you give the body, sucks it all up versus if you're constantly always carb, carb, carbs, lots of carbs, lots of carbs. And then you go into a sport and you have a little bit more carbs. The response that your body's gonna give you like that is less than if you were to have squeezed out the sponge,

then reintroduced the carbides. So you see, this is the kind of stuff I wish I would have known to going into like pre-game because like our, the common thought process with that was you couldn't eat enough, right? You game like day before, like day of like, you would just load, you would go to these buff phase almost, like we would go on the road as a team

and we would eat just like pancakes and waffles and you know eggs and bacon, whatever we could feed our whole body with, you get to the game and you're justaffles and you know eggs and bacon, whatever you feed our whole body with, you get to the game and you're just tired, you know, you fatigue, you're just oversaturing. Well, I think there's, you gotta also keep in mind that there's nutrition for a game day or for performance during an event.

There's a specific type of nutrition. And then there's nutrition for the days that you're not necessarily needing to perform. Now, if you work out every single day, I know some people have the belief that they need to eat to maximize their performance every single time they work out in the gym with that type of mentality, but that's wrong too, because every workout should not be

a max test of your performance. We've talked about this many times on the show. Now, if I'm going into a workout knowing, I'm gonna see if I can break my new, you know, my old deadlift record. Then I may treat my nutrition differently. I may not fast. I may eat carbohydrates a couple hours before,

maybe the night before. But every workout isn't that way. And there is a process by which your body becomes more efficient utilizing nutrients if you incorporate fasting at different times. Adam has even talked about bulking when he's trying to gain weight or when he was a competitor,

and still incorporating fasting maybe once a week and finding that the food that he did eat then became more of it went to muscle less if it went to body fat, you know, type of deal. So fasting is good for your, it's fasting down properly, I should say. It's good for the body, it's good for health. If you're an athlete knowing when to use it

is very important. You know, I'm not gonna go into, if I have a swim meat, I'm not gonna go into that swim meat 48 hours into a fast. That's not very smart, but that doesn't mean I can't use some kind of intermittent fast two days before,

the important event. And here's the other thing to keep in mind, and there's some evidence to show that when you train in a fasted state, it makes your body that much more effective for when you do feed your body and train again. Like if I tend to lift or run or whatever, fast it, and then I feed myself, I'm gonna get more performance out of that

than I would have had I always fed myself for every single event. So the studies that compare fasted to eating are bad studies because they literally do this. They literally take two groups, we'll feed you something and we'll keep you fasted. That's a terrible study for that. And then go do your sport.

That's very acute, it's very short term. What they need to do is they need to take these long term studies, take athletes that inject fasting intermittently intelligently, and then take these other athletes that never miss a meal, and then feed themselves properly before some kind of a test, and then test the benefit. This is why you're going to run into this problem with most coaches that you're going to ask this question because they're going to refer back to studies that unfortunately are poorly done when this is the argument in the debate.

Like Sal saying, like, yeah, no shit, you're not going to fast going into an event. You know what I'm saying? That doesn't make sense for an athlete. But even then, like I remember when we were talking to Dom about this, and he was like, well, I don't know if I would do that if I'm an athlete, but at the same time too, we don't know yet that that's not actually beneficial. It could have some benefits, but from what we've seen so far, it may not be the most ideal, but for sure incorporating it outside of leading up to your competition day or week even,

it may just be getting adapted to it, allowing your body to fully get to that point where it's efficient within that state. So they don't really have any studies for that yet. So Joe, Rankin 89, what is a good approach for going into the holidays to avoid fat gain? Should I go in super lean? So should I go in super lean into the holidays so that I don't when I get out of the holidays? Be careful not the bench if you do. Yeah, I was just going to say

that man. If you if you're going into the holidays thinking I'm going to be super restrictive so that when I go into the holidays, I can just go hog wild. What you'll end up finding is you'll binge. You'll stop being aware of what you're eating and you're just gonna eat for the sake of eating and stuff your face and you're gonna find that you're gonna become very uncomfortable. The meals will become painful. I know a lot of you listening know exactly what I'm talking about where you're sitting on the couch after eating Thanksgiving dinner.

You can't breathe. You feel very uncomfortable. You have gone past the point of enjoying your food. At that point, you're just mindless eating. It's not an aware state to be. So should you go into your holiday super lean? It's almost like you're dieting before your holidays. No, I think you should just go into them being healthy

and being aware. And what you'll find is you'll eat less that way or eat not as bad as you normally would because you're in a different state of mind. I find this with myself. I just got back from a vacation and I let myself eat whatever I wanted. I didn't go into it thinking,

okay, I have to eat a certain way. I gotta stay laying. I'm like, no, I'm on vacation. They're really good food here at this resort. I'm an eat, whatever know, whatever I want. And I still ate relatively good, man. I mean, the worst thing I ate, like every morning, I had pancakes and waffles.

And normally if I went into it super restricted, or with the wrong mentality, I would have gone hog wild. Like, oh my God, look at all these wonderful, you know, these crazy foods. Instead, I looked at the foods and I'm like, well, and I'm not really craving it that much And I think I'll just eat a little of this and I found that I didn't go crazy And it was really weird sending my girlfriend and you know some of the other clients have worked with so I think you got to go into it with a

Certain type of awareness Where you understand what food does to your body and you know we talk a lot about the signals on the feedback And yeah, and you go and you enjoy your family and enjoy the culture of the food that you're about to eat, there's particular foods that are there for Thanksgiving and your aunt makes a particular dish that you only get once a year. But you'll find if you go into it with the right mentality, you'll find yourself binging less.

Cause I used to binge like crazy, man. I'd go into Thanksgiving dinner and it was like, fuck yeah, I finally get to just stuff myself with all this horrible food. And then it was really uncomfortable and painful and shitty. And now that I've really connected the dots a little differently,

that's enough motivation for me not to really even crave it. I don't know how to explain it. It's like I'm depriving myself. I just don't really want it as much. And it's an easy place to be during the holidays. Do you, I mean, I have two strategies that I try to do is one, I try and get some good heavy squats squatting in the day before or the morning of. And then I really target my meats or so my protein and fats first. And that target your meat. Yeah, I target that

first target my meat. And then of course, all my veggies so I try and and by doing this what I do is I don't tell myself oh I'm not gonna have any sweets or oh I'm not gonna have my aunt's favorite cake or I'm not gonna I don't want to restrict like that where I deprive myself of enjoying family and joining company and joining some of the good food that will be there I just kind of prioritize things and one of the things I prioritize is getting a good lift in and then the food choices in the order that I choose them. Because I feel like if I get a good heavy lift in, I know that if I am in a surplus for the next day or two, that at least some of those calories are gonna get allocated

to some good use, hopefully building some muscle, hopefully some recovery. And then the other thing is lifting or I mean, eating the food, the fats, and the proteins first, so that I'm getting something that's once again beneficial. Before I go and doge on something that's pretty much empty calories, like, cake rice. It's like the triple threat, right?

You can't allow the triple threat to happen where you're eating an excessive amount of food. It's not quality food for two, and then also right away you go to sit down and just lay around all day. So you have to preemptively, like for me, I'll just, I'll make sure and stand. I'm not going to allow myself to sit down and get in a super comfortable position. That's one of my things. Obviously, that could be something that you would want to, that's something you want to enjoy in the rest part of it. But now you can't go super excessive on the calories.

You have to be strategic as far as what you're going to kind of allow and then going into it and then just enjoy it, of course, and not be so stringent, as far as setting up all these barriers. Yes, see, I don't want people to go in to be mindful. I don't want people to go into these holidays stressed out, because I know that happens a lot of people. I know a lot of fitness fanatics go into holidays thinking, oh my God, I'm going to go crazy on these two days

and just see everything and some people going in and like, oh my God, what am I going to do? You know, all these, you know, bad foods and they get stressed out about it. And I think people sometimes forget that holidays aren't about the food. And I know some people are going to start to, you know, debate me a little bit and say, no, it is about food. No, it's not because would you have Christmas dinner or things given to you all by yourself? Would you sit at home, have all these foods, you're stuffing, you're turkey or whatever, sit down all by yourself at home, knowing around you, and then have this dinner, and would it still be Thanksgiving? Now, of

course not, and some of you that might do that, that's a very bad, that's another issue that we're dealing with. But for the most part, most people, now it kind of makes sense. It's not really about the food, it's about the people. So when you go into these holidays, stop thinking about that it's about the food. Start thinking that it's about the people.

I'm gonna enjoy these people and we're gonna enjoy some of these foods together. And I'm gonna taste a little bit of this food that this person brought in that they just made. And we're gonna talk about this one a little bit. Maybe have a glass of wine together. And I'm going to, we're going to talk about this one a little bit, maybe have a glass of wine together. And when it becomes about the people, you'll find that you'll have less stress about going

into these holidays. You'll have less stress about what kinds of foods you're going to eat. You'll find that you'll leave, believe it or not, eating less than you normally would have. And you will be making kind of better food choices. Because when it's about the people, it changes things a little bit. Changes the paradigm that you go into these holidays with and I found that for myself the past couple of holidays that I go into them with that mentality and it changes.

All of a sudden I don't eat as many of the cookies and there's other things that normally I would because it was all about the food. Now it's about the people. It's not that important to me. So just something to consider. Listen, if you like mine pump, leave us a five star rating review on iTunes. Now it's about the people, it's not that important to me. So just something to consider. Listen, if you like MindPump, leave us a five-star rating review on iTunes. If we like your review and we pick it, you'll get a free MindPump t-shirt.

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