Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 417: Going Beyond Chiropractic Care with Dr. Justin Brink

Episode Date: December 12, 2016

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Don't just fast forward right here. I know some people think that we always do a little informational commercial. Important information coming now. No, it's just not just an important information. This is all free, good information that is coming out.

You guys are about to hear an episode that we do with Dr. Brink. So I want to give you guys some places. Dr. Justin Brink, I want to give you guys some places. My other favorite, Justin. Where you can find him on Instagram, you guys can find him at Premiere underscore spine underscore sport. He does a lot of cool educational posts on there. So if you can hop on there, help support him.

And then if you have questions, you can also find them on the forum. He's on our private forum. He's on there a lot with the boys and I. You can also go to his website, which is premieres spine and sport.com. And then also we have on the 13th at 12 PM Pacific. This should be in a couple of days when we drop this, right? A couple of days after. Yeah, day or two, December 13th, 12 PM Pacific Standard Time. We're gonna have a live cast. We're gonna do a Q&A regarding maps prime, maps yellow,

which is coming out. You'll hear us talk a little bit about it in the upcoming episode. You just go on our Facebook page, my pump show, a regular Facebook page, your own pump show. Exactly. We'll also be, there should be an episode on YouTube

up on our channel, MPTV, where Dr. Brink is giving Adam a full assessment. He's making him squirm. Yeah, and it's fantastic. It's great. So you're gonna hear us talking to Dr. Brink right now. He is one of our, if not our favorite person when it comes to correctional exercise when it comes to you know stretching techniques when it comes to strengthening

recruitment patterns changing recruitment patterns. He's a chiropractic chiropractor. Excuse me by practice But he's so much more So you'll be hearing us talk to him. He's also handsome in this episode. And oh, March 11th and 12th, I want to make sure I plug this. We're going to have an LDoA seminar here at a Mind Pump Media Studios in San Jose. So if you want to attend, you can ask, get more information at LDOA at beachfitness.com, email them, you'll get more information there,

or you can even find us on Instagram and ask us at MindPump Radio on Instagram. Dr. Brink will be there along with all of us. You'll see, get a chance to meet us if you guys are. And you'll get to see our beautiful studio. Mind-blowing. HQ, son. Exactly.

So without any further ado, here's mind pump interviewing Dr. Justin bring Justin you're in my seat you know you get all perched. I know Justin's just it's such a pretty I make him I make him uneasy. Can we call him something else because it's confusing Okay Jay master Jay over there sitting on the Justin part two cleaner part two Dr. Jay I like Dr. J. I like J.B. J.B.

I like calling you round, J.B. I like J.B. Oh, I'm getting the nickname, guys. You're round the glutes. Dude, were you ever, did anyone ever nickname you J.B.? I feel like J.B. Okay, I just say J.B.

It's like a cool. How's the mic for him? Is it too far away, close enough? I have to hear him talk. I've been, everyone's told you way too much. Welcome to Mindbunk. I've been everyone's told you. Welcome to mind bump. Yeah, you got to jump in. Where mind bump docs and never lets their guests out here for an hour and never said a word. Hurry up. Hurry up. How funny is that? You know, we should, it would be really fun actually to invite a guest sometime that we don't really like and just and have a talk. Just

we talk and hold it. Yeah, like interrupt him every time he goes to talk, which is inter-revelable. Yeah, it's out. So it's your state, right? Yeah, cool story. You mean like a normal day at my pump? You mean like how I survive? Like, fuck. We're not that bad. Jump in, now, now, now.

Is that what it really feels like that when you're listening to this Sal and I go back and forth is it feel like you're trying to like, does it feel like you're going back? What? Oh, definitely feels like. definitely miss always like it's like it's like a double bro double that's you're trying to jump in two yeah

yeah here with the rope every time you're out son of a bitch everyone's in a while me and I had to make eye contact with each other and we're like roller coaster roller coaster we're like let's give a chance on song what was it the other day when you were talking about something and then we kept jumping in and after the episode was over You're like, okay guys, I could have said yeah, I don't need you. Yeah, no, I think it was yeah, we were we were with Ben

I think oh yeah, they were like so scared out. I couldn't answer the question So they just like start talking in front of me. Well Ben Ben is great Ben can be a little intimidating He was a little bit such an he's one of those intellects that you can't even have like a surface conversation with him, like if you start to say anything with him, right away it becomes like this, like in depth, like I have to like break his stuff apart, like okay, what did he just say? He said this is the, and then I'm like on my phone,

or receptors in my nose. I'm on my phone like Googling half of it. I'm like, wait, wait, can we revisit what you just said like a minute ago, and he says it so Googling half of it. I'm like, wait, wait, can we revisit what you just said like a minute ago because I did, and he says it so fluently, like it's, it's kind of like, I feel like what Sal would be like on LSD. That's what I feel like he would be like just this. Or what I think I'd be like,

I don't actually feel like that. Yeah. So let's introduce our guest here, if we ever let him talk. No. Dr. Justino Brink. We finally have Dr. Brink in here. JB Justin Brink. Justin Brink're not. Dr. Justino Brink. That's right. We finally have Dr. Brink in here. With Justin.

JB Justin Brink is in that house. We've only mentioned him a thousand times. How did you got, you know, Adam, you met him first. How did that happen? So I bully, I don't know, it just one can tell the story on the first time that he, JB, he reached out to me. JB, the first time Dr. Brink,

oh, actually, it was on Tinder Dr. Brink. Yes. No, it was Tinder, right? He swiped, he swiped, right? And then it was just a history after that, right? Chemistry. He reached out to me and right away, after he reached out to me,

I, you know, typically, especially if it's another some fitness professional at all, I'll always look at their page and just kind of like browse through to see, you know, if they know what the fuck they're talking about. And right away, I was like, okay, this dude's legit. Like I really like his shit. And then we just started communicating back and forth.

And I'm sure he probably got frustrated with me because it was probably really difficult to find. But that would, I'll tell you what though, he showed up to our seminar at Orange Theory. And I remember leading up to that, I mean, a bunch of times, like we tried to like coordinate, oh, come in on Saturday, I'm holding this class, you know, hey, he kept telling me I could drop by, he invited my clients to come by for free and everything and I was like, man, I really gotta get over and see this guy. I love what he's doing and we just kept missing each other.

And then when he showed up to ours, I was like, okay, that's it. The fact that he went out of his way to make it to our seminar and stuff like that, we have to make time. And then literally, once we started talking, it was nonstop. But when was it when you, what led you to even connect to me? It was on your Instagram page. And so I was, I'm just trolling through and someone had mentioned your name because of a working with Orange Theory.

And so from Orange Theory, I was looking at it and I'm like, I saw you doing like a squat. And with the squat, then I was like, then I just broke down something on the squat and then you had answered back and then at that point And we just started having dialogues, you know on there. So basically you were looking at his Instagram. You're like that nice Clutes that's shit. Let me give Turned out just a little bit I'm glad I'm glad you looked at yours and not mine if you look at mine like this is hopeless Just a little bit too much. I'm glad you looked at yours and not mine. If you looked at mine, you'd be like, this is hopeless.

I'm like, I'm gonna be in contact with you. Next question, guys. Where do I begin? So you might not just call you a brink, because I don't want to confuse you in Justin. Yeah. Do you, your method, the way you approach what you do, because you're a chiropractor, that's what we call you,

Dr. Brink, but your approach is very different from almost any chiropractor I've worked with. And I've worked with some very good ones who had some touches of what you do. Could you explain a little bit about what makes you different? And why your approach is so different? And why when people come see you, they're like, okay, I expected a chiropractor appointment. I got so much more. I think the biggest part for me was always with my injuries that I've had in the past. And how can I always make myself better after these injuries? The biggest part for me was always with my injuries that I've had in the past, and how

can I always make myself better after these injuries? So everyone's always getting injured. To some capacity, and they go back, and they go through the standardized. All right, here's this exercise. Here's a piece of paper. Here's six stretches. Here's six exercise. Go home and do them, and I'll see you in a month.

It's like, well, what does that stuff do for you? And then, so for my own, whether I mean, I've torn both ACLs, I've had a back surgery, you know, I mean, I've done this stuff, and I still go out, whether I've torn both ACLs, I've had a back surgery, I've done this stuff and I still go out and I still wanna move. So I think what makes me different is trying to watch how everyone moves in full capacity, not just if it's a knee problem, I'm gonna focus at the knee or is it a hip or is it a neck?

Making sure okay, where is, where's this issue actually coming from? Is it a foot, that's why I mean, I've heard you guys talk about in the past, with me taking everyone's shoes and socks off I want to see what your toes do, you know, your toes are supposed to move, you know, your feet are supposed to move But yet we go to the gym and we exercise everything from the ankle up. We never focus on that. God bless you cuz you know feeders Guesting they are I mean they are yeah, well that and that let me tell you that was something that was unbelievably eye-opening for me

When you broke me down like that. I mean, I had been struggling with these, and I know I'm sure Justin and Sal can agree with me when it comes to this. There's nothing more frustrating when you're a fitness professional and you think you know the body really, really well. And then you hit a roadblock with your own body. I mean, that just irritates the shit out of me. And I'm, I'm, I'm diving through, I'm searching, I'm reading, and I'm like, could it be this? And then I'm, then I'm applying that in the gym,

and I'm trying to like troubleshoot, and then, you know, I think I get closer because something kind of alleviates it, but then it comes back, and then I'm like, fuck, what is this? And I remember when you broke me all the way down to my bare feet and started, we started there. It was like, then it was just like obvious

why all these other things that I had been feeling in my body that I couldn't quite figure out where it was stemming from. It just, it was so enlightening for me and it was so refreshing because I absolutely hate car practice. As you should. And I believe I said that to you

the very first time we got together. I'm very upfront with thinking that. He comes out with that. I think it's a very hate kind of practice. You're in a lock-in-line open. Yeah, I was like, yeah, good luck, buddy. I was like, well, and the reason why just like Sal said,

I have probably worked, I don't know, I think 100 is probably a fair number I could say that I've worked with either directly, like they were somebody that had done work on me, or they worked in one of the gyms that I was currently working at, or we had some sort of a cross promotion deal with them. Or just in connection, we're in related fields, so you meet a lot of different chiropractors. It's a very popular thing I feel like over here in the Bay Area, too. And I just felt like every time I would meet one,

I was hoping I would get more information or learn something new about my body. And I felt like all the ones I rented to, they were just all into this quick fix. Like, pop me into place, give me this instant relief. And then that was it. There was like, no, like, let's talk about like how the fuck I got there, you know?

And like how I keep myself from getting there again. It was like, pop you into place, come back and see me again. That's what I do, that's why you got to come back in three days. Right, like, isn't that, isn't that, well, next 200 years. Is it like, do they teach that in chiropractor school or what, how does that fucking work? I think the mentality of kids in school these days

is going back 100 years from what they've just known, right? We'll come back in and we're gonna adjust your spine because you're sublexated or whatever you wanna call it. It's like I can't stand that term. So it's like, you know what? What is it, would you say sub what? You have a sublexation, you know, your vertebral body is moved to the left or to the right.

Who cares? You know, because your muscles go through your spine, your spine goes through your muscles, but your brain coordinates everything. You know, and so for me, it's like if we can get your body to control that movement, your spine's going to move no matter what. You know, so this is why I don't shoot X-rays. If I feel like it needed an X-ray, I'm going to refer you out.

You know, if it's uneasy, I'm not going to treat you. You know, so let's get your body to actually do what it's supposed to do versus, let me just rack and crack you. You know, and that's our profession, and that's the bad thing is becomes a huge business model on their end. Because it's here, sign this contract. Do three times a week for the next year, and then after that, you should be better. Whoa, hell, I better be better.

Now would you say that that's the biggest problem with chiropractic today is that they follow that model where people come in and then just crack and we... I think a lot of them, because they're not into what mainstream medicine if you will You know and like myself a lot of them will call me like a meta-practor You know because I'm practicing more medicine if you will I'm not obviously prescribing medications or anything, but I'm more In line, I mean I deal with orthos and I deal with neurons, you know all the time. They're they're my friend You know PT's are my friend versus. Oh, they're the enemy because they're not holistic in nature.

It's like, well, what does holistic actually mean? And you got to get your body to work. But that doesn't mean I have to come back and see you, you know, every third day because you need to, you know, adjust my body because I'm sublexated or I'm out or you know, whatever it is, you know. I always thought that, I always thought that was strange. I always thought that the approach was weird

because I'd go see someone and they'd tell me, I need to see them on a regular basis because I'm active. And I remember thinking that the opposite should be true, that I should need to get treated for pain or whatever, less often because I'm active. Because then I would hear them say the same thing to someone who was inactive.

They'd say, well, you need to come see me once a week because you don't move. And I remember thinking, well, fuck, I guess everybody needs to see you once a week. I never expected. Like, how does that work? And I've had chiropractors give clients of mine. I think I've seen some chiropractors go,

try to go the extra distance where they give people exercises to do. But being a trainer, I typically know movement better than they do. So they'll tell my client to do an exercise like, no, that's not the way to do, but being a trainer, I typically know movement better than they do, so they'll tell my client to do an exercise like, no, that's not the way to do it. You're the first one I've met, or I would completely trust beyond even myself when it comes to movement. And why is that so rare?

Well, they don't teach that in school. Or the classes they do teach are very minimal at most. So it's going in and just bare bones. All right, here's an exercise for low back. Here's something for neck, here's something for shoulder. Now I know that has started to evolve. You know, I mean, it's been 10 years since I've graduated. You know, so in the 10 years,

talking to my brother right now, you know, who is in school. It's like he's learning some more of this stuff, but by no means is it in depth, by any means. So a lot of your education is outside of, I would say probably 95% of it. Yeah, it's outside of it. Would you mind going into some of the stuff? Well, that's what I was gonna ask you.

I was gonna add, which the influence is, is we talk a lot about on the show and what we share, and you know this, because I know you listen to most episodes, those aha moments for us. Can you pinpoint some of those in your whole career? Like do you remember? Like, oh my God. So I think as an athlete growing up, I always had some degree of exercise that I

knew, you know, whether it was, I played collegiate water polo. So, you know, off-season, in-season, doing that type of stuff. Once I got into school and then I got out of school, it was then getting into my first one that I took was at NASM. So I went and got certified through the CES and PES. And that was where I went in and said, okay, this is different. You know, and then, obviously, I tore my ACL. You did that when you were in college? You did that once I graduated from Cairo School.

Oh, okay. Wow, so you went Cairo School, then you went to, see, I've had, see, this is great because I think who you are as a person is coming out here because a lot of people would graduate, you know, chiropractor school and look at a personal training and say, why do I need that? I'm like, I'm a chiropractor.

No, I mean, again, for me knowing that the adjustment just wasn't it, there was a lot more to just in the adjustment versus, okay, how can I make myself stronger? And I really, what, you know, stemmed that whole thing was when I tore my ACL. I'm like, holy crap, okay, I'm in the gym every day. I can dunk, I can lift, I'm strong, and I sat there and caught a pass and pivoted,

and I need buckled in half. That's a problem, you know, why did that happen? Why do you see athletes do that, you know, over and over and over again? So that sort of started my quest onto, okay, there's gotta be more than just me as a, suppose a doctor, if you will, you know, because that didn't fix anything. What did you think about the C, because I actually have both of those and I've talked a little bit

about on the show. What did you think about those when you went through that? Like, what did you like about CES and PS? What did you not like about it? I mean, what do you think about that as far as a certification? CES for me at the time was amazing, because they had, at that time, they had the best squat assessment there was. You know, I mean, it broke down the squat, and that's where I really learned that, the squat. PES for me was on the opposite end because I really wasn't doing a lot of performance stuff with any of my clients at the time. So I sort of put that stuff on the back burner,

but a lot of the corrective stuff I could utilize day one, seeing my clients in, they've got a low back issue here. You can try a bridge, you can try a ball bridge, you can do a plank, you can do a side plank, you can do, you know a plank, you can do a side plank, you know, you can do all these different things that obviously they're teaching. That one post I had done on Instagram that I know you had commented on

where I had demonstrated a plank, in a posture, your pelvic tilt, and people were freaking out because it wasn't a neutral spine. Well, not just normal people, but then what was great was academia was the people that were losing their shit because I was demonstrating a plank in posture pelvic tilt

because I'm trying to show how you can activate more abs and how a lot of people are anterior tilt. It's opposite of it. What were your thoughts on that? Yeah, I loved it. No, the fact that we have to own control through every piece of movement. I was okay with that. Oh, let's say every, you know, piece of movement. I was okay with that.

Let's say that, let's just stop for a second. Own control through every part of movement. This is, this is very, number one, it sounds like a duh, but the reality is academia for a long time has been taught, has been teaching train in. It's a revolutionary idea. It is, and it shouldn't be, right? It's all about train in neutral spine,

train in perfect anatomical position all the time. You do a row, get in perfect position, do your row, lock your shoulder blades back, keep them there. You're doing a press, staying in this lock position, you're doing a plank, staying in this neutral position. Why is that the wrong approach? Well, I don't know if it's a wrong approach. I think it's trying to keep people in,

in the ability to not create pain or not create a low back issue. The problem I have with that is when you talk about neutral spine, I mean, you're not moving. You're planking, you're not moving. You're doing a row, your spine doesn't move. You're pulling with your arms. The moment you get up to walk, what does your spine do? It has to move.

So now did you just maintain neutral spine or did your neutral spine go to crap? You know, and that's the, for me, that's the thing trying to, okay, do you own that movement? Does your left side and right side do what it's supposed to do? You know, do your arms swing? Do you look like a robot when you're walking? You know, or are you planking the entire time

you're trying to walk? You know? So it's like at that time, yeah, you're trying to maintain neutral spine. It doesn't work. Wow, yeah, because that was I remember for me One of the aha moments along that along those lines was with a behind the neck pull down and shoulder press which we had been taught as trainers

That those were bad like destroyers. Yeah, they'll destroy your shoulders. Don't ever do these don't ever teach these and I was watching a video on YouTube with Mario Puginowski. I hope I'm pronouncing his name right. Here's one of the world's strongest men competitors. He's the guy that looks like a bodybuilder, but he's like beat everybody. And there was a video on YouTube of him doing a behind the neck press with like 300 pounds.

And he literally had it on his traps, like he was doing a squat. Then he almost like jerk it up and press it up. And I'm looking at this guy, I'm like, God, he's so strong, he's got incredible range of motion. I've seen some of these athletes do this movement, and they're not hurting themselves. And then it dawned on me.

If your body can move a particular way, doesn't it make sense to try to strengthen it with good control, with good stability, so that if you do do that movement, because life never mimics perfect form, right? No. That you'll be better off. And so I started training in that way and I started moving better.

And I started feeling better. So it's definitely one of the, it's definitely that gray area, though, right? It's one of those areas that's perfect. That's why I say with control, with the ability. Yes, it's, it's, it's such a challenge to try and get people to understand that concept. Because we all know form isn't so important, it's so crucial. I found like, so let's take something as simple

like a plank or like a floor bridge. You know, most trainers, and this was something that it started to, and I was definitely a trainer that did this poorly in the beginning of my career, is, you know, we were taught, I took CES, so I understood like the benefits of teaching a floor bridge, but even just teaching a floor bridge and then teaching someone to do a floor bridge correctly is a huge difference. Like, so if you do a floor bridge with somebody on the ground and they have an excessive, you

know, anterior pelvic tilt and you just have them do the movement, their body is going to choose the position that the hips are already in. So getting that person to roll the pelvis before they go into that floor bridge and to keep it into that position while they go up is a night and day difference than just having them do the floor bridge

and through the average eye that's just looking at the client doing the floor bridge, they both look almost exactly the same if you don't know how to look at the the look at the pelvis and pay attention to that. And that was kind of an aha moment for me when I realized, well, we're trying to repattern something right now. We're trying to fix a major deviation. My books are telling me I should do these types of movements. So I'm doing that with my clients, but the part that was missing was getting them to to make the connection and understand that. I find that like the one of the most challenging things.

Do you notice that a lot with that you see with other professionals like doing movements and what do you? What are some things that you've noticed along those lines? Do you see that too? I think for me what I've seen and what even now is we talk about let's train a pattern, train a pattern, train a pattern, but take a golfer and look at Tiger Woods, right? What has he been trying to do this entire time? Get back to playing golf and you finally did this weekend. But what is he doing, right?

He keeps repeating same patterns over and over again. Well, is it the pattern that he keeps repeating or is it the information that we want to train? And I posted that up on your guys' forums. What do you mean by that? You want to train the information at hand, right? And I posted that up on you guys's forums. What do you mean by that? You wanna train the information at hand, right? So your body is going to adapt in pattern, whatever it wants to do.

Golfers not gonna go out there and swing a hundred times and swing exactly the same a hundred times, right? So did they have the right pattern? How many times that a hundred? Did they actually have a correct pattern? We don't know, right? So what's the information coming in? What's the body telling you?

What's your foot positioning? What's your feet? You know, what's your hands's the information coming in? What's the body telling you? What's your foot positioning? What's your feet? What's your hands? What are all these different areas in your body that are telling you to swing properly or to walk properly or to jump properly? What does that mean every single time that happens? Can you give us a interpret that?

How did it basically, yeah? How are you interpreting it for these signals? Can you give us a simple example of that? Like maybe with a squad or some of that of what you're saying? Let's go back to a plank, right? You know, so Sal did the, like a posterior pelvic plank. I would take someone now and can they go into,

roll themselves into an anterior pelvic, you know, tilt? While holding a plank. While holding a plank, and then can they go back into a posterior pelvic tilt? So now as you just watched the body starting to shudder, that information is telling you what, they can't control that position through that movement. Yeah, yeah.

So now what pattern are they training? Well, heck, they go from seated or sitting on the toilet to standing, right? Flex to extended. So if they're losing that movement, what's the body going to do? It's going to cheat that movement. So you're going to stay away from that because it doesn't want to go there. So if it doesn't want to go there, you lose control over that area. Well, again, we know that later on in life when you develop pain. And I see it all the time. I didn't have

pain. I just talked to you guys this morning. You know, I didn't have pain in my shoulder. Well, show me your swimming stroke. Well, you're rotating like crazy. You don't even have the proper shoulder mobility necessary. Well, I didn't have pain three months ago, but it didn't mean you didn't have a shoulder problem. You know, you just had pain. You did something that... That's a great, that's a great point. It's like the pain, it comes, once you get pain, it's almost like, okay, now we're beyond, you know, we've been ignoring this information

for so long and now your body's yelling at you whereas before it was kind of whispering, okay, fix your stroke and now it's like, you need to fucking fix your stroke man. Well, a lot of that is is, you know, we use the information at hand, meaning that if we're flexible, we're only flexible in the directions that we're going to use it, right? We don't have to reach behind us, that people don't have range of motion behind us anymore. Right, everything we do is

forward-based, you know, sitting at a computer all day long. So if they want to use that information, all of a sudden they have to teach their body to go back to, where's that information stored? The brain knows what to do, but the body's now locked itself down. So now if you lose the ability to move your shoulder behind your head. Wow, so let's, which I'll tell you, your handcuffed to a rotation.

I don't know if that's what you call it. That's what I called it after you talked to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The handcuffed with a rotation was like a game changer for me in creating that tension. Yeah. I use that as a major primer before I do any of my workouts now. And it's been like game changer for me and creating that tension. You know, I use that as a major primer before I do any of my workouts now

and it's been like game changer for me because you're right, we just stop communicating back there. We never do anything back there. But yet we do exercises and movements where we wanna be in that position or we wanna be able to activate those muscles, right? And boy, waking that up and priming that before I go do in my major list, God it's been game-changing.

That's a good direction, Adam. How important is what you do before your workout in terms of results and how your body moves and all that stuff, not just the workout itself, but what you do before your workout, how important is that? So it's funny you say that because I get, I talk about that often with all of my clients, Mike, if you think about it, you should be able to jump

and do a squat and do a squat, right? You should be able to jump and do a lunge and do a lunge. You know, how much warm up do we really need for what? This is just, again, just my own sort of thought process on this. And now if you're gonna go lift heavy, okay, you need a prime your system, I get it. But does a dog sit there in prime system,

you throw a ball to it? No, it takes off at 60 miles an hour to pick up that ball and run back to you and it's like, I didn't blow a hammy. I didn't toss my back out, right? But what to do? What to do all day long? It gets up and it moves all day long.

It flexes, it extends, it stretches all day long. So it's priming its body through, it's five seconds of stretch all day long. Where we now think, oh, let's go, and stretch for five or 10 or 15 minutes before, or 30 minutes beforehand, and let's go lift you know, and stretch for five or 10 or 15 minutes before, or 30 minutes beforehand, and then let's go lift. Well, again, did you just sit there and you tell your body actually what it needs to do,

or just go through motions again? You know, so. It sounds like, I mean, one of the main problems with warm-up is that the goal, the only goal is to prevent... That's the first variation, right? Well, first variation, prevent injury, but that's like the minimum, right?

That's the minimum it should do in reality. What should it, you know, what it should get the body ready to, for that movement, for that movement? So it should be much more specific. It should be programmed. Correct. Well, this is also, I definitely have taken a page from you

where, you know, I've, even since we've just met in the last year or so, it's involved, it's evolved my programming for my own client. So let's take an example. I've got a client right now. I just had her in the other day and I assess her. She had all these imbalances.

And so I designed all these. Okay, these are your priming movements for sure before you ever do any of these exercises. So I first prescribed that and said, okay, this is what I want it to look like. Now, what I'm teaching you right now as far as priming the body, I want you doing that as much as possible throughout the day.

If you have, if you're in the kitchen, you're doing dishes, or you're waiting for something to heat on the stove, and you've got 90 seconds, get out and do this, this, and this, and just continue to do that. This is not something that's designed to fatigue you. It's not designed to make you sore or build a bunch of muscles. We are trying to create new patterns, better movement patterns in you. And I want you to do it as much as possible. Therefore, when you do come to do your workouts, you won't feel that need to always have to

do all the stuff just to get you ready to lift away because your body is ready to hop right into that squat. How important is frequency when someone's trying to practice movement? If you show someone, I want you to do this thing to correct this particular issue, is it more important for them to practice it frequently or is it more important for them to do it real intensely in frequently?

No, it's, I mean, you spray in your ankle how fast it takes you to limp, right then. But then how long does it take you to get rid of that limp? There's no sets and reps involved to get you out of that limp. It's a pattern, right? So as your body adapts, your new normal happens when you're out of pain, right? So if you're training or you're teaching someone, okay, what's the movement that we want you to do? I want you doing that. Not for 20 minutes, one time a day. I want you doing it 20 times at

one minute, but 20 times throughout the day. So pretty very, very important. For sure, because what's the brain going to keep telling you? I'll crap, we're back here doing day. So pretty, very, very, very important. Sure, because what's the brain gonna keep telling you? Oh crap, we're back here doing it again. Oh, and we're doing it again another hour later. Oh, and again another hour later. We're training that information, right? So as you're training that information, what's the brain gonna start to do?

It's gonna realize, okay, you keep doing the same thing. There's a reason why you're doing it. Let's allow you to do it a little bit more. Well, this is just reminds me of one of our aha moments that we talk a lot about on the show too of like that moment when we got away from the bro split type of workouts and started a transition into this more full body type of routine and more frequency of it because you know, I just feel like it's it seems so obvious to me.

And I don't know if a lot of that is just experience or if it's age now and we talk about all these aches and pains. obvious to me. And I don't know if a lot of that is just experience or if it's age now and we talk about all these aches and pains and I mean even being trainers, I feel like it's it's taking me this long before I noticed all that stuff like Oh now this all this bothers me and I feel like we speak so passionately on the show because We want to help those guys and girls that are 17 25 years old that don't feel any pain right now, but get them to understand that what you're doing right now, no matter what it is, you're creating these patterns in your body and are they ideal for you and will it set you up in the future for these aches and pains

and understanding how to combat that now? Well, one of the things I love about sending clients to you is that you can kind of take them through the process of like, okay, I'm gonna help you to understand, some areas that are inactive and some areas that, you know, you may not even have known that these patterns are what you've established. And now, as far as like figuring all that out, like who are some like major leaders in the industry you've seen that have really come up with, you know, solid answers to being able to assess and understand,

like, you know, how these patterns exist and these patterns exist and how do we improve on this? The patterning itself has been changing for a while. I mean, Greg Cook, he, PT, the book movement, amazing, helped develop FMS and the SFMA for more medical professionals, FMS for the trainer or massage there, Pissori again, Cairo's as well. Just a quick little assessment tool in golf. There's a Greg Rose for, right now, like a barefoot training, Dr. Emily Splekle, who's

a podiatrist out of New York. We've got Perry Nicholson, who's a stop chasing pain, which I've sent a couple guys on the forum to go see him out in the New York area. There's Dr. Andrea Espina, amazing stuff that I'm learning from him on a daily basis on that stuff. I think there's a lot of people that are coming up and that are game changers,

but it's always evolving. And that's sort of the cool thing is for me as a practitioner, I'm pulling everything from all these different people. So, there's not one thing that I'm doing from one area. Which is really rare. Yeah, and that's why I commend you a lot on that because you're able to take all this

excess information out there that's solid and then sort of organize it in a way that you can apply it from all these different dimensions. Excellent. We love having it on the forum, by the way. Exactly. Great value. So question, I'm sure you work with people who also work with personal trainers.

So the trainers send them to you. All the time. What are some of the biggest challenges you see or maybe irritations that you have with personal trainers and their clients? I don't know. No irritations. A lot of the trainers that I work with

are, again, open mind to, you know, to send them to me. They're sending them to you. They're probably smarter side of the triggers. Yeah, so I think the cool thing is I call it my triangle of care. It's me, it's the trainer, it's the client, or it's me, it's the MD and the client, or there's more involved. Is there a PT?

Is there an MD? Is there a personal trainer? And so, as we all get on the same page, then all of a sudden it looks like, hey, we're in this group effort to make you better, not each individual. So when I'm now writing back what I think to the trainers, what I saw, that's all it is. What I saw, what you do is what you do.

You're the expert when it comes to the exercise. I'll break you down into little minute movements. That's not my job as do exercise you or get you more fit. Or whatever, that's what they're doing. So at that point, it's not my job as do exercise you or get you more fit, you know, or whatever, that's what they're doing. Yeah. You know, so at that point, it's like, hey, go out there and you handle that business. I'll do mine on my end. We'll just keep in the loop and let's just work from there.

And then you communicate back to the trainer. Do this with your client, do that with your client. Exactly. And they go back to you. That's the way it should be. It's been huge for me. I mean, I don't know how many he's, he probably knows better than I do. How many actual people have came from me or not, but I've been

Send in people that way for quite some time now since we met and he'll send over like hey Here's what's going on with her body. This is what I'm working on with her right now And like that's all I need like and I really have sent him all the hard ones. I don't send him all my Yeah, I need to I send all my headaches like the one is I try my best Please I try and take the overhaul this I try and take the knowledge that I've learned from I send all my headaches. Like the one, because I try my best, please. I try and take the overhaul this. I try and take the knowledge that I've learned from him and all the names he was name dropping

and like the Kelly starids. And I'm big into all these guys and I've taken bits of all of their schooling and their education and information they put out there. And I try and troubleshoot and figure it out for my people. But there's definitely still ones that I'm like I baffled I can't put it together I can't seem to help them or I don't have the right words to express and I always send them over to bring But then he's come and then they just need a different person to say it. Yeah, right

Different way of saying it as well exactly it is that is very very true You just reinforce something that I've been trying to get him to do. And then now that you've said it, then you give me the information, then now I can take that and build upon it. Like, okay, I get it. He's telling you to do this, this. I know why he's telling you to do that. We need to work on this.

So here's, we work on this. And then as we get better, and this is how we're going to progress that from there too. So, I mean, having you on the forum too, is how I'll touch on it a little bit. It's been so awesome. It was so great to see you get on there and start helping a lot of people because we get a lot of people, if you're not on the form already, a lot of people will post a video of their form and they want us to critique it. And now

having your eyes on there too in addition to ours has just been a huge asset for people that are on there. It's been awesome. It's funny to the day because I come in on a guy's squat. He's like, this is the first time ever really squatted. So just let me know what you think. And he actually had a really good squat. It wasn't bad at all. But then again, for me, this is just what I do. I broke it down. I'm like, okay, look at your right foot.

You probably do this, this, and this. He's like, holy crap, didn't realize that a squat is going to do that. Or I have to do all this to make my squat better. It's like, well again, it's a to do all this to make my squat better. It's like, well again, it's a little thing that are gonna get you better at it. It's not the gross movement. It's a little movement that we don't pay attention to.

Those are the best though. There's nothing more, and I'm sure you can probably attest to this, like, I love to take somebody and give them a little bit of information like that and then watch them make that connection. Oh shit, this is why I heard, oh my God, right? I mean, I think Justin, didn't you have a client you sent to bring that actually literally broke down crying

after a hit for Frozen Shoulder, whatever she told me about it. Yeah, it was just this release that needed to happen and it was, she usually embarrassed about it by a little bit, right? But, I mean, we had that coming, and I see it quite often, where when you're dealing with soft tissue imbalances, or again, in her case was a frozen shoulder,

or a frozen shoulder that was sort of undiagnosed, and at that point, we get in there, start to release it, there's a huge emotional component that goes into someone's shoulder or arm or hip that hasn't worked and who knows how long, and whether it's just that emotional tie or it's pain or all the above, right?

I mean, everyone's degree of pain is completely different and it's funny because I hear it all the time. I'm like, oh, I have such a high pain tolerance. You know, I do soft tissue therapy and a lot of them, I'm just using my middle finger and index finger. But yet, I'm just pushing on certain spots and it will light them up and they're like, oh, he crap, I didn't realize that this was as painful as what it is.

So I want to get into some things that are, I don't even know the right word. I want to use here. Controversial? Maybe yes. I can expect that from you. Yeah. So, and I think you're a great person to share about this,

because I don't think you're biased. I think even, and I know that you are certified in most of them like your ART and your cupping and God, there's so many different ones out there. What's the, what's the, what's the, grass in, like, can you elaborate for people a little bit on all those techniques,

how, and how you would use them, why you would use them, your theories on the importance of them and not, where is the place for these things that I feel like become very trendy, right now in the body building world, and this is what just annoys me when I see this stuff is a lot of my peers right now are heavy into the gas or wax and crass, and I keep getting that break down the muscle fibers they can grow.

Yeah, yes, and I'm just like, and I can't. So that doesn't happen. So the elaborate for a share with people. I've never really seen it, but it doesn't mean it can't happen. But I know you're going to grow because you're breaking down the capillaries are going to swell like crazy. So, now if they're back to the same size the next day, well, then that's a problem.

Yeah, yeah, start with that. Let's explain the grass thing. But why are so many bodybuilders using it? Is there a benefit? And what does it do? I don't know what their theory is, just where I keep hearing. You know, if they get it done on their entire back,

there's a potential for them to fill out more. You know, I don't know if that's again from the swelling that's going on because that practitioner is hammered them. You know, it's like, why are we going so deep on that? We're creating more scar tissue, if you will. So that's what I'm wondering, because I mean, these guys are like in pain.

Oh, I mean, they're black and blue. Yeah, they're bruising, and it's turning into the same. It's like medieval torture. So the same thing that I was annoyed by when I went through the competing process, when I saw the way these competitors approached diet and training of making a martyr of themselves, I feel like they've now moved on to this technique.

And it's like who can look the worst from it? Who has the most pain from it? Who's the retis from it? And they just talk about how amazing the release is. Drag behind a truck. Check this out. Where is this coming from? What, where does it hold?

Does it hold any water? Is there any benefit to it? Like where would you use it if you were to use it? So on my end, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do more of a brushing technique, but I'm gonna put them in a different positions of movement, right? Cause I want then, I wanna try and release the fascia.

If we can get the fascia released, then the muscle is gonna move, the body's just gonna move better. If the body's gonna move better, why would that muscle not look better? So I'm not getting there to hammer them by any means. It's just a matter of, all right, what can we do to try and open up this area a little bit more?

Again, you go back into the ARTs. So all these are different soft tissue techniques that people can utilize for all different reasons. So whether a foam roller actually works or the grass and technique works, I mean everyone is obviously individualized because I get some people that come in and say, this was the gold for me. This guy did this one time, my shoulder was 100%. Okay, and if I had a hitch with a 2x4 would it have been 100% too? We don't know. That's the hard part.

It seems to me like all these methods that do improve range of motion or do improve the way a muscle functions, everything from ART to grass, then to foam rolling, it all goes down to the central nervous system. It feels like, am I accurate when I say that? A massage therapy is another one. Increasing a muscle Playability you I don't think you're really changing the muscle I'm not like needing a piece of clay that gets warmed up and then it feels like pressing on the muscle All it does is it gets a C&S to kind of stop being partially activated in that muscle. Yeah, am I is that accurate? Yeah

Okay, so then it can be very individual. Yes. Of course. Yes. Your central nervous system is extremely individual. I experienced this the other day when I meditated, which I just started really getting into, and then I went right into a full squat, and I didn't do any more nothing to warm up, nothing, whatever, and squats can be very tough for me. And I went right into it. And it was because the meditation, obviously you got my CNS to chill out. And you didn't warm up at all. Nothing. Which is amazing. Because you then moved better than what you did before. Yeah. Because you told yourself, hey, I can do this.

Very interesting. Yeah. Do you think, and then this is all speculative, but do you think stimulant, heavy stimulant use, like it's like a lot of athletes will take pre workouts and stuff like that with lots of ridiculous, you know, like they have, but ridiculous amounts and all this stuff. Do you think that overstimulation of the CNS could inhibit somebody else? Oh, 100% yes. Oh wow. Really? Yeah. Definitely. I go back two years ago, so when I was helping develop the whole

educational manual for rock tape, you know, and one of our first classes that, or when we first started doing it, and I was hosting an FMS, which is the functional movement screen at my office, and we had a guy, and we were all testing to try and get a specific score, and the score is a 21. And so we taped his posterior chain, and I think his baseline score at that point was like a nine. We taped his posterior, which nine is horrible.

So we taped his posterior chain, he jumped up to a 14, you know, just by taping his posterior chain. So, okay, we wanted to see what's going on again. Now we got some stimulus from the CNS. Cool, you know, he bettered his score. Now, whether or not his body's learning, you know, through this process again, we don't know. But so we taped his posterior chain and then we taped his anterior line.

He dropped back down to like, I think it was like an 11. You know, so now we're getting a conflict of interest. Even then we taped his anterior line. He dropped back down to like, I think it was like an 11th. So now we're getting a conflict of interest. We've got anterior chain firing, posterior chain firing. Now we have a decrease in score, right? Well, if we're thinking, if we're fascinating, why would we not get higher? Well, clearly, he couldn't communicate front and back. There's more.

Communication, that was the issue. And so this, this is a very, that's a very fascinating. So I've been thinking about this lately, quite a bit. I brought it up on a recent episode about the meditation and then having the mobility type thing. And it made me realize it's not just about getting the central nervous system amped the hell up.

It's about getting it right. Because too low isn't good. And too high or wrong isn't good either. And so from there, yeah. From there, we took the poster line off and then did anterior chain and he had jumped up to an 11. So his numbers were fluctuating.

So again, at that point, was he learning he was, but he was still failing. So at that point, we're like, wow, okay, what was the most bang for his butt poster chain? Yeah, most people not able to do. Just to get their back side to do it, then these would do. Talk about full circle because chiropractic since its invention has been all about getting the central nervous system to work optimally.

I've always had chiropractors tell me, you know, if you've got a sublixation here, the central nervous system can't fire in these areas and they have, of course, a poster of a, you know, the central nervous system and it looks like wires coming out of the body. But what they did was just adjustments, but there's a million and one different ways to get the CNS to, you know, move the way you wanted to and then train those new patterns. And it just sounds to me like, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you're just learning as many of the different tools as you possibly can, because every individual might respond differently to each other.

Definitely. I mean, I could put 10 people in line and they'll have low back issues. Why am I gonna give every single person a hamstring stretch? Yeah. Right, but yeah, you go online and that's what we're gonna tell you to do.

Right, oh, stretch your hamstrings. Well, why, if I can sit there and put my elbows on the ground, why do I have to stretch my elbow? You know, my hamstrings. Would you say your method is less about how you treat them and more about how you figure out, how to treat them? How to figure out. How to fix a puzzle.

So every single person is individualized. So again, I don't deal with protocols in the office whatsoever. I don't know what I'm going to give you when you come into the office. I may have an idea based on what we talk about, but once we start taking you through all of our assessments, then at that point is where we're gonna really hone in.

And I'm only gonna give you maybe one, two, Max is gonna be three, you know, cause you hit three Mark and people forget. You know, so I'm gonna give you one, I'm gonna give you two, all right, go home, work on that, I'll see you in a week, come on back, let's see what you can do. Now let me ask you, what are some of the things

that you think are causing people CNS to fire, quote unquote, improperly, either too much stimulus in one area, not enough in another area. Can it be everything from genetic factors? What is it just environmental? I mean, there obviously can be genetic issues, you know, going on. But I think for majority of people, it's the fact that since we're one years old, what have we done? We strap shoes and socks on our feet, right?

So, you know, your foot has got what, a hundred and, you know, 70 muscles, ligaments and tendons or something, you know, they're of and 26 pounds. And I mean, you got to crap load of stuff in the feet. But yet we wear shoes and socks all the time, we never stimulated our feet. It basically put a cast on them, I don't know what, with a cast. Yeah, exactly. And I use that analogy all the time after, especially after you and you really break my feet down of just thinking, like, oh my god, like think about when you, if someone's ever, if you

ever broken your leg or your arm or that and you cast it, like how, like literally what it feels like when you take the cast off and to think that was just for a few months that you probably had it on imagine, you've been wearing shoes for, yeah, forever, yeah, forever. Well, forever. Well, not disconnected, you worked that area. Well, not only that, but if you look at the amount of sensory receptors on the hands, the second place that probably,

that comes close seconds of feet, right? Hands in feet have the most sensory receptors. People don't realize that there's a big part, there's large parts of the brain that are dedicated to reading the information that comes from your hands and your feet. That is a monkless. If my feet are constantly covered, that part of my brain is literally not developed like

it could be. So I'm losing out on all these neural connections. And we do know quite, we do know pretty conclusively that when we create more neural connections and solidify them, the brain works better. So it's not a far stretch to say that, you know, improving that with your feet would improve other aspects of the way your brain gets smarter. Yeah.

Well, I mean, literally, look, you take a child, you have them learn music and they get better at math. Why? Why are they getting better at math when they're doing music? What the hell is the connection to be part of the brain? It's because the brain, exactly the brain is increasing,

it's the connections between different parts of the brain, there's better neural connectivity. I think you're talking about the feet as one of them. What about the emotional component? Because I know for myself, I could literally, as far as stress and things like that. Yeah, how does that, do you look at that at all with patients or do you?

For the time, really. All the time. I mean, you look at, I mean, in here in our society, just in the Silicon Valley, right? Everyone's in, you know, their desk jockeys, right? So as they're wearing shoulders, as they're earrings, all the time, they wonder why they have these neck issues. I'm like, well, are you stressed out?

Or, you know, what are you doing at your desk? I'm so stressed. I'm like, well, show me how much? What are you doing at your desk? I'm so stressed. I'm like, well, show me how much stress weighs. Again, stress is a reactionary component to what we perceive as a problem. Because I could put them out in the cold, and they're going to look exactly the same when the cold as they do when they're stressed out.

So again, how do we get their brain to calm themselves down, which is great with that brain FM? Stuff I've been now using in the office itself, just as- You're just full-plugged, you know? Yeah, you just- You know, so as we work on that just in the office, I just want to see, hey, does it make, you know, a change?

If I change one person out of the 20 plus that I see in a day, hey, then that's amazing right there, just on the emotional side of things. Right. Wow, this is all mind-blowing stuff because now I'm making all these different connections. For example, we know, for sure, we've done several studies on this, that music will improve performance.

How? You know, listening to the right music, it's that emotional release. Like I listen to angry music and make some you feel stronger because I go, and I probably am stronger as a result of it. It's association to that. And it's that, yeah, right there.

I mean, I think we associate, you know, as working out in the gym, you know, as we have to listen to that music, it's gonna get us amped. But my mom, she works out, so this is the, you know, church talks, you know. It's like, she's listening to these church talks, but yet that's what's amping her up.

The power of Christ comes out. It comes out. You know, that's what she wants to do, go right ahead. You know, that's not what I'm gonna listen to. Wow. But yeah, I remember years ago, when I had my wellness studio, I had a client that was- It's a devil. I had my client, I had a client come in that was a yoga instructor and she was a, I mean,

she did yoga every single day, if not twice a day, very well known in the area and she came to me because she had hip problems. And what blew me away at the time because it didn't happen to occur to me. This was years ago that you could have incredible range of motion and yet have dysfunction because she was a yoga instructor. Her flexibility was silly. I mean, she could put her foot behind her head

without even, you know, just bring her foot right behind her head. She could sit and lay flat and pigeon and do all these different things. But that's when I realized that range of motion without strength was instability. I would say not strength control. Control, right? Because again, I see a ton of... Control with it, yes.

So I see a ton of dancers, right? Because I think the way that we think of strength, a yogi is gonna think of strength completely different than a bodybuilder. So if we look at control, does the bodybuilder have the control necessary to lift the weight over their head or do a squat? Well, does the yogi have the same control to do the same exact movement? They do, but strength is now completely different. So that's something I've been trying to get my clients to understand is there's a difference between strength and control. I see.

Because if you can control the movement, your strength will go up. And I've done that just in the past year where I started, the Kinstretch back, it's been a year now, the functional range conditioning stuff from my Kinstretch and when I went into animal flow. So I took about seven months off

of lifting weights completely and just did nothing but body weight stuff. And then started lifting it up. I did that for a year. About three months ago, actually, I started your maps performance. When I did that, and then when I started maps red two weeks ago, all of a sudden,

I've watched, you said, you're gonna see your strength go up. I've seen it go up in the two weeks that I've been doing just maps red. So I'm on my third week, a phase one of that. I'm just watching my strength go up, but I'm also still paying attention to, okay, how's my body able to control its natural movement with no weight? Am I losing that or am I still maintaining that?

That's something that I work on, and I just sort of put in some performance stuff into my off days or my foundational days. So let me ask your opinion on this. This is something that I've done in the past, and I want to make sure I'm doing this right when I train people. But if I'm trying to improve their, maybe the right word is mobility, their overall mobility control and stability and within range of emotion, if I have a client who, let's say, has really poor, they can't touch their toes, which is just a simple example. The first thing I try to do is improve range of motion. Then I try to have them

stay become more controlled within that range of motion. So I'll start with passive stretching where I'm holding their leg up and stretching them, but then I'm having them provide resistance so they can gain control within that range of motion. Would that be the right progression? Well, so what I look at is do they have the active ability to, or where do they, where they lacking the active control? Okay.

So passively is great. So if I can take a shoulder and I can make them do a complete circle, right? Or again, like you said, stretching a hamstring, right? They can go up to 90 degrees, but now I've said can they lift it to 90 degrees? I see. So you passively can get it there, but now I said they have a lack of active control to actually elevate their leg to the same position that you're just in. That becomes a problem. So you can sit there and stretch them, stretch them passively all you want. They have no active control. When they get in that goes back to the yogis or a lot of my dancers, they can do the splits. But now what can they do with the splits when they're in the split?

So the opposite muscle is just as important as the one you're stretching. Like, yeah, let's go back into reciprocal inhibition now. And that's something that has been disproven. I mean, it's oh really, and it shows where, you know, let's say you lift your leg up off the ground, right? And you go to contract your quad, and your hamstring doesn't allow you to go any further. What muscles are still firing, right? Your hamstring is firing.

Androquad is firing still at the same time. Whereas, you know, we're taught that if we fire that quad, our hamstring should relax. Holy shit, right? If that means that they can't lift that leg and straighten it out at the same time, is reciprocal inhibition actually working? Wow. No, wow.

This is also why we implemented the fortification process in Maps Yellow, too. This is the last piece to Maps Yellow, is you prime the body you train these good patterns and then afterwards you fortify them like you go back and you create these tension type movements where you are actively taking yourself into this position and creating tension in that position to help fortify that good connection that or that what we're trying to pattern. That's what like that that kin stretch. That's what you know, you you know, Andrea Espino or Dewey Neilsin,

I mean, if you watch these guys on YouTube, you'll see there are hands out always and squeezing down, they're irradiating, right? They're solidifying. Yeah, they're activating everything through their body. Yeah, I've heard that term and I've started to use that term, but I want to know specifically, like the concept behind that and like,

irradiation. Yeah, so it's a lava radiation. So as you know, you're rating it all down your body. Let's say I want to just move my neck right into the biggest circle possible. Well, I know if I don't do that, I can create circles of my neck. Well, what other areas are now compensating, right? Am I going to cheat through somewhere else because I can't move how I need to, so I'm going to thus make my body do what it wants to do by cheating somewhere else.

So with this radiation, you know, this solid this solidifying, I am now activating everything. I'm squeezing everything at 100%. While I'm starting to still create, whether it's a shoulder circle or it's a neck circle, because at that point, you're not cheating anywhere else. But if you're rotating, then you're not squeezing at your 100% effort. Now we can sit there and we can go directly into that segment, right? Or those segments and try and create better quality of movement through that joint where you're not cheating anywhere else. It's all central nervous system training. Yes, it is. It's 100%

training the CNS to do. What do you want to do? What do you want to do? Which I think is crazy because I feel like there's been a huge disconnect or... That has not been a part of fitness programming. Yeah, like, I mean, even all of my experiences as a trainer, it's just, I have talked more about central nervous system in the last probably three years and I have in my entire career. Yeah, yeah. I mean, before that, it was...

And you kinda knew about it with like isometrics and you knew about some people using tech, yeah, and you know, she's going further, but that can't hold that position afterwards. Exactly. And that's, I think the biggest one is, they didn's going further, but doesn't, hey, hold that position afterwards. Exactly. And that's, I think the biggest one is, they didn't even turnalize it. Yeah, like an intrinsic thing that you had to produce.

Yeah, foam rolling. Right? You're not changing anything via the CNS, right? We're just rolling out. We have, we're creating a different little pattern that's on there. And yeah, they might be more flexible afterwards, but why do I have to do it the next day again?

And then they get pissed off, why? Because they have to foam roll everything every single day, changing anything. They never taught the CNS to actually hold that new position. They didn't teach themselves, hey, at 100% effort, we actually got this much further out of our range of motion through our hips or our shoulder or ankle or whatever that we're now trying to work on. And now let's maintain that position.

This is not at such a key point because we've brought up foam rolling in how we've sort of shifted gears completely to more mobility type, you know, movements and things like that to really reinforce those patterns. I eliminated it. Yeah, I have to. I'm just saying that like, I found more benefit foam rolling after my workout than I ever did before my workout. Afterwards, when I lay on the foam roller and I stay tight and get thing, I've got more benefit from doing it that than I ever did before. But you're not doing it to now improve your range of motion.

You're doing it probably more like that, you know, post-event massage, right? Where you get in there and just roll in yourself and like, loosening up those muscles because you just work, you know, you work to hard, right? So you feel better afterwards. And also, I feel like it's especially because I do it targeted. It solidifies kind of the some of the signals that I had sent with my workout beforehand. And you know, something else that just came up

that just really, you know, came to me right now, is we see progressions, because what you're talking about, what Dr. Brink, it seems like you're talking about, is progressing yourself through your mobility movements, progressing yourself through, you know, different things, rather than doing the same, warm up every single time.

And that is sorely lacking. There is lots of ways to progress your workout, but how do you progress, how you set yourself up? Yeah, and I think you have to, you know, prime your body for what is that movement that you're looking at doing that day? Are you squatting? Are you lunging?

Are you doing something more pli-o? You know, what's the activity? Doing more shoulder stuff? Well, again, I want to make sure I turn my shoulders on. I want to make sure I get the best range of motion out of my shoulder prior to me doing an overhead press. Right, or again, I mean, I want people to pull up all the time.

Do they have scap control? Can you sit there and actually draw circles with your scapula? That is very hard to do, by the way. Yeah. It is. But how much, again, you can sit there and press weight over your head, but do you really have the control

necessary through your scapula thoracic joint, or to your GH joint, and where do most people start creating issues is right at the shoulder. Well, again, let's assess everything all the way back to that T-spline, right? This is also why I've actually started. My overhead press has even changed the way I do it. I put a lot of emphasis on the stabilization process on the top.

I'll hold my overhead press for about three to five seconds in that position over my head to really concentrate on the scapula. For that exact, when I realized, because I tried to, I don't remember when it was, to go do that. I watched a YouTube video, and I was, I don't remember, was you and I who talked first about it and you suggested, or asked me if I could do it. And I watched a video and I watched a guy hanging from a pull-up bar and I watched him,

like, he had the ability to articulate one side and then the other side and then make these circles. And it looks really simple. Like when you see someone do it, you're like, oh, and then you get in there and it was just to see that like holy shit, like, I don't have the connection there to even control a very simple movement like that of making these circles.

So right away, like, I mean, light ball went off for me too, is just like, I'm just any time I have a movement or I can put emphasis on that control back there, I'm going to. So now when I overhead press, I don't just overhead press, go up and come down and go up and go down. I go up, I stabilize and I'm really concentrating back in that whole thoracic area of how am I pulling my scapula together? Am I able to really stabilize from there? Or am I just getting it up over my head and coming back down?

So yeah, we talked earlier about how stimulants can affect how tight you're going to feel or how much your mobility. And I've all wait for a while now, I've talked to clients about changing their diets and how that influences their movements and inflammation. Is that on the right track as well? Oh, for sure. Okay. You know, you go back to your stimulant. What's that doing?

This is amping you up. Is that teaching what your body needs to be doing when you're not amped? Right, again, you need your shoulders to work all day long, not just during that one hour of your training session. God, you're just amping up a poor recruitment pattern if you're just getting amped. Exactly. You know what I mean? during that one hour of your training session. God, you're just amping up a poor recruitment pattern if you're just getting amped. Exactly. You know what I mean? Now, what do you notice with food?

What are some of the worst offenders? When, you know, if you start to tell people like start avoiding these and that, what are some of the common, I know it's individual, but are there some common, you know, culprits that you see? I think everyone is so different when it comes to that. And that's for me is just like in dealing for you guys for the past, you know, a few months is where I've really dived, you know, more into that nutritional aspect of things just in myself.

You know, I mean, I've been playing with intermittent fasting now probably for the past, you know, five and a half, six months, you know, to where that, I've got that pretty much dialed in to where if I want to go 24 hours, I'll go 24 hours. Excellent. You know, pretty easy on that end, you know. I'm now now starting to dive into more of that ketogenic diet. I want to try it, you know, And so for me, just in my office is I try everything before I'm going to sit there and tell you, hey, you're going to have to experience exactly. It's just like any move that I do in the office, I will do it. And I'll show you that I can do it.

I'm not going to give you something I can't do. You know, so I want to make sure that, hey, if I'm giving this to you and you need me to show you how to do it, then I'm gonna show you how to do it. So the nutrition is one that I've been weak on, but now, again, just dealing with you guys and listening to all the different nutritional things, it's like, all right, let me jump in and same thing with Kingsbury.

I mean, I've watched him now for years and watch his diet, you know, Evan Flow and Change, you know, just as a professional athlete, now as a dad, and what he's doing, just as a businessman now, and it's like, all right, I'm gonna try and jump into some dad, and what he's doing just as a businessman now. And it's like, all right, I'm gonna try and jump into some of the stuff that he's doing. Where did you notice from fasting

from your own personal experience? First, it really sucked. But now, I mean, it's gotten fairly easy now. And I can have one meal a day and be completely fine. And not lose weight and still have energy. And I mean, like this morning, I started my day this morning at six o'clock in the morning, seeing people.

So I was up at five o'clock this morning, and I raced from a corporate location where I was at at six to seven 30, started day to clock, jump over here, and now I'll see you guys, and I go back and I work till six tonight. So I mean, it's like, and whether I'm eating or not, my body's fine. Okay. Having you felt like some of the panic in your life

has been a little upset. I don't know how many idiots. Oh, for sure, because now I'm not worried about, I gotta get my six meals in. I get my protein in. Oh, I gotta, I gotta get whatever. I'm gonna lose weight if I don't do it. That hasn't done anything.

Yeah, so one of the things I noticed with intermittent fasting is when I'm fasted, I'm, I move better, I have less pain. Yes. Is it very hard? You too. Oh yes. I wonder why, you know, part of the reason I think is

because- Well, excuse me, inflammation down for sure, and if you're inflamed, I would think that would affect your range of motion and ability to move properly, wouldn't you? I mean, I do, and I think eating in general is slightly inflammatory, right? Oh yeah. Because things are moving and digesting. So just eliminating that.

And then priorities into digesting and processing all that. Yeah, but I do know that fasting does tend to stimulate a sympathetic response in the body. So it is a little amplifying with the CNS, but it doesn't seem to be amplifying in the wrong way. I guess maybe if I did it too long or something like that. Yeah, because in your body is now going into crap,

we are starving. Yeah, right. And now we're going to break down the muscle that we've now built. And now we're going after parts of the body that we just don't use as much anymore. Let's go go after that. What, you mentioned just for a second,

and I'd like to revisit, because I'm sure there's people that heard that and want to hear more. You were a part of the team that created rock tape and did that right? You were all part of that process. How did that start and evolve? What have you seen? But you kind of touched on some of the drawbacks, which right away is what I noticed is it became one of those things where people learn it has some benefits to it and then just average. Just put all over the body. Yeah, the average cross fitter is taping themselves and I'm thinking to myself like, okay, do you even know what you're really taping or did you just see your buddy and it looks

cool on their shoulder when they tap it. So you now tape it on your shoulder and like, what do you know about that? I mean, it's when we, well, Greg Vandenjee is the one that started rock tape. And you know, then Steve Capobionco, he had gone to him and he was a chiro out of Las Gatos at the time. And he's now since sold his practice and moved up into Colorado. So opened a mega facility in Littleton,

called Project Move. And I mean, Capob's amazing. And so he and I got together and started developing the educational component to it. And so the very first class that we taught was here in Las Gatos and it was just to a bunch of our friends. So I mean, what we taught was here in Las Gattas and it was just to a bunch of our friends. So, I mean, what we taught education wise evolved every single time that we taught. So where does tape, how does tape affect the body?

So again, it's a stimulant, right? So you put something on the skin, you feel that, right? I mean, with the skin being the largest organ in the body, right? You're getting immediate feedback. So what we thought was, well, there's no really right way or wrong way to really tape someone. How can we tape these guys into patterns that we are gonna try and put them to move better?

You know, and again, that's, if you look at Tom Myers and his anatomy trains, we were getting to facial taping, right? So now we're taping a whole facial line starting at the base of the net, going all the way down to the bottom of the foot. So now we are getting the entire posterior fascial line to become stimulated, which then does what? So it's the entire plantar fascia,

you're a Achilles, you're calf, you're posterior part of your knee, you're hamstring, you're glutes, you're low back, you're mid back, you're neck, all the way up and around, if you wanted to, you know what people have hair all the way onto the eyebrows. So that's actually where that posterior fascial line goes. Oregon, is it an anterior or bleak sling?

Or so what's fun about the tape is we can tape them in patterns and we can get them to move in those patterns, if you will. But what's it densely doing is, again, it's the information. It's stimulating a certain information there that's now saying, okay, let's do something. What are you going to do with that? How are we going to try and move differently? Or how is this going to enhance your movement?

A lot of people want to do it as a pain control. Again, for me, I don't want to become a crutch. So we'll figure out why you keep having pain. We're not going to get a cyclist to go from a six hour cyclist to a four hour cyclist, but we might have to get that six hour cyclist to ride longer with less back pain. It sounds like rock tape sounds like training wheels to me.

It sounds like you put it on. This will help get the recruitment pattern that we want. All it reminds you. Learn how to do it and that because I'm going to be honest with you, I'm guilty and I think in some of our early episodes, we even we talk crap about some of these things because we don't think we understood. Yeah. Because I would see rock tape and I'd see people use it and I'd be like, well, that's how the fuck is that supporting you? Yeah. It's on your your skin, like what is that doing? Same thing with the vibration plate. How does the vibration plate help? And I've talked crap about it, but now that I understand more about how the CNS fires

and you can get to relax and move or whatever, it starts to make more sense. Yeah, no, it does. I look at it the same, just like my squat shoes. Like having the elevated heel allows me to get greater range and greater depth in my squat, but ultimately I'm working towards not needing that whatsoever. So it's kind of the same concept. You're going to tape yourself.

You're going to create, you're trying to help you create better pattering, but ultimately you want to be able to do that without anything. Isn't that the whole idea? So I think that's the, that's the, it's the fact that you can take away from it is that it's not that does it work or not work? Absolutely, it can work and absolutely can help somebody but to not just stop there.

Well, let's say it's a placebo effect. Do you care? Right? Yeah, right? No, some work that works, I don't care if it does or not. Right, it took my pain away, done. It's you know? So, so your philosophy sounds very different.

It sounds like when you get a client, your goal is to have to ever see them again. If I could get in better in one visit, perfect. Is that a great business model? No way. But again, that's... We should recognize that.

Yeah, but I mean, we have a high turnover, you know, and that's a good thing. You know, I mean, it's like we're getting people out there. And for me, I don't do virtually any marketing whatsoever. right? So it's all word of mouth. And so for me, it's like getting into see me as two and three weeks out, you know, and so which is a good thing for me. But it's like, yeah, I'm working like crazy as well. But I've also, I think I've done that, you know, and saying, Hey, I am different. And I'll preface that, you know, from people at the very beginning saying, we're going to be a little bit different

if you've been to a chiro before, because I'm not gonna sell you anything, I'm gonna take you through this little movement analysis, but I'm watching you move from the moment they get up out of the chair to moment, they sit in my office, to probably get out, everything we work on, my mind's always changing, because again, I don't know what's gonna be the best for them at that one time.

What is the role of adjustments then? What is the role of taking someone and popping them? Is that, again, along the lines of central nervous system, is that just another tool to tell the CNS to move or to fire a certain way? Are you actually trying to manipulate the bone? Well, you are getting things to move, right? You've got 26 joints just in the spine. So you're getting the spine to try and move.

You're getting the hips to move. You're getting the knees to move. So those joints have to move. If they don't move, what are you gonna do? The tissue is gonna follow. So if the shoulder doesn't act like a shoulder, the tissue on the shoulder is gonna get different, different, different, different. What are you gonna do? You can't move it anymore. Or same thing with your back, right? Again, we go back to desk jockeys, but what's the probably the tightest areas are mid-back, right? Because they're hunched over. Well, what can they not do? They can go into flexion, because they do that all day long, but they can't go into extension.

Right, so yes, then now we want to get those bones to move, but at the same time, we adjust them. Let's teach you an exercise. Let's teach you a segmental cat camel. Let's teach you, you know, just lay on a foam roller and extend over it, you can't even do that, right? And how much can we progress and how much can we, we regress depends on, you know,

what that person is dictating to us. Well, this is my piece of high, absolutely love your philosophy and approach, everything, because although you have all these tools and are either certified, experienced in, and knowledgeable about, but that's just it. You utilize them as a tool and an ultimate goal is to really get a client out and away from you

and able to do all these things on their own without any of these crutches. But yet you have them. And I love how you explain them. I think that's something that I know like Sal brought up. We kind of were hard on a rock tape back in the days. I feel when we first started Mind Pump, but just like the training mask and some of these other tools that are out there, something that I stand by that I think I've said many

times on the show is that there's almost anything on the market that, and I said almost, not everything, right, but almost anything on that's on the market, especially if it's made it as big as rock tape or elevation, there's some sort of science behind to support its benefits and whatever it's doing, but it's how you use it and understanding

what you're using it for. And I think that's the thing that I think MindPumpa is always trying to to preach and get out there as far as the information for people. So maybe Sal stands on rock tape is slightly changed as far as it being a beneficial tool or not. But still, I think there's a ton of people out there that misuse it just like they misuse a ton of other tools that are out there. And I love listening to Brink explain the science behind it and where the place is for. Well, you know, it's funny also.

So we talk about tape as a bad thing or a potential bad thing, right, when it's a good thing. And there's been studies that show that, hey, it does work, there's studies that show that it doesn't do crap, but same thing with a glute bridge, right? Let's get someone into a glute bridge, right? Let's get someone into a posterior pelvic tilt, right? So we're gonna glute bridge the hell out of someone, right? We're gonna strengthen up that gluteute bridge, right? Let's get someone into a posterior pelvic tilt, right? So we're gonna glute bridge the hell out of someone, right?

We're gonna strengthen up that glute light crazy, right? Then, but can they stand on one leg? Nope. Right. Why, they have the strongest ass there is, right? But now they can't use it when they walk because they don't know what that is, right? Because why?

Because the foot's not talking to it, right? So the moment the foot hits that ground, everything is now shut off. By the way, Justin has the strongest ass there is. Just to clear about it. I just want to put it out and slam it on people. That's his hand alone line if you ever want to find him in the form of a flying ass slammer. The foot.com.

Well, I tell you what, man, it's great to have you on our team. We really appreciate you kind of consulting a little bit with us on our you know our new program that we're about to release maps yellow And we look forward to working with you What's the future? And does it do? Do we have the the actual date of his first class that will be in here? And do you have any openings for that? Is that sold out? That the March one March the March one. There are openings for that. Correct. There are openings for that

We'll do March 11th and 12th. I think is what's a Saturday Sunday the March one. There are openings for that. Correct. There are openings for that. Do you know that? We'll do March 11th and 12th, I think, is when it's a Saturday Sunday. Okay, we'll do an official commercial heading into this. It'll be held here at Maps. Yeah, excuse me, Mind Pump Media Studios. Yeah, the future for sure of this relationship will be holding more classes like that, where bring ourselves will all be around it. I know I believe you'll be bringing some of your team around here because, you know, Dr. Brink has people that are underneath him that are actually

starting to spread this good word and I'll make sure we do a commercial heading into this just so you guys know. Have you heard the good word of it? Yes. We're all evangelists. So it's handing out the watchtower magazine. We're looking forward to it, man. And we got our... Don't come to my door. No, I'm the bicycle. I'm excited to bring you up to Reno and a, and we got our- Don't come to my door, you know, on the bicycle. We got to, I'm excited. No, I'll walk. I'm excited to bring you up to Reno and a part of one of our trips, man, where we create, man, it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome, dude.

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