Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 427: The Return of Dr. Brink

Episode Date: December 29, 2016

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey, uh, you're gonna hear us talking to one of our favorite, uh... The Brinkinator! He is our favorite. Well, one of our favorite fitness health and wellness professionals. He's our guy. Well, one of our favorite fitness, health and wellness, professional, he's our guy.

He's the man, the dude, noses shit, very rarely are all three of us totally impressed and blown away. And Dr. Justin Brink is one of those people. He blew us away when we first met him. And we've been working with him collaborating. He actually helped us put together some of our programming for Maps Prime. And we look forward to working with them in the future.

In this interview, we can hear us talking to him, we're gonna be talking about fitness, we were talking about other things, correctional work. You can actually talk to him. He has been huge on our forum. I was just gonna say, on our private Mind Pumpkin knowledge on there, and he helps answers questions, he reviews things if we tag him.

It's incredibly, incredibly he helps answers questions. He reviews things if we tag him. It's incredibly, incredibly value to our forum. Our forum price will be going up soon though, however. Right now you enroll and you pay one fee one time, the lifetime access to our private forum in the very near future, very near future, that will go away and it will be an annual fee. But if you enroll now, you won't, that's it, you'll pay it once you don't have to pay again. Enrolling our forum, you could talk to Dr. Brink, you could you enroll now, you won't, that's it. You'll pay it once, you'll never have to pay again. In rolling our form, you could talk to Dr. Brink,

you could talk to me, you could talk to Adam, you could talk to Justin, and other people, other fitness professionals, and other fitness fanatics, you can enroll on the forum mindpumpmedia.com. You know, it's cool. There's only one good thing about having a cold, and it's that I sound less kermity, more like Adam. Like, yeah. Isn't that funny? Like you know what I'm saying? think about having a cold and it's that I sound less kermity more like Adam. Like.

Yeah. Isn't that funny? Like my name's Adam. When you're six boys. That's really nice. Everybody look at me. When you're saying you're a scientist. When you're sick and talking to your nose, you actually sound

better. How crazy is that? Hey everybody. But I bet I can still think better than you. Oh, yeah. Probably. So you know the show that I found on Netflix, that's fucking awesome.

What is that? I think the only one in this room that will like it as much as me is Justin. I could. Why would I like it? I kind of guessed this. You might like it. I don't know.

How much do you like sci-fi horror type stuff? Mm. Yes, I thought. So check this out. The show is called Stranger Things. Why have you seen it, bro? I'm gonna punch you in the dink. What are you new here?

We're gonna make a, we're gonna make a revolution in here. We're gonna make a revolution in here. This is typical host brought up. Typical my mom's out. When it was relevant. I think you got, I think it's like, I think it's like,

it's so last season, bro. I think you guys talk about it. We were gonna make a t-shirt. You didn't hear it, I was telling you right in your face. No, I was just kidding. I actually have mock-ups of the mind pump t-shirt that looks like the stranger thing. Dude, how fucking awesome was that show?

It's so great. Nope, they did such a good job. Like I literally want to choke you out because I, where were you? Hold on, say conversation. Let me, they did such a good job capturing the 80s. Of course. And even the music, even the fucking thing. Bro, does it not remind you of like ET meets Stephen King meets

the fucking music in it. The synthesizers and shit. Pullter guy, shit like stand by me. So good. It like smashes all these things from our childhood into one thing. So I'm only on a pretty fine pink. Yeah.

Have you seen it yet? No, I don't know. I'm like, what, here's the what I appreciate about it. I appreciate the in pink. Is that in there? Have you seen it yet? No, I don't know. I'm like, what, here's what I appreciate about it. I appreciate the business side. This is why I love Netflix as a company. It's another brilliant way to, instead of writing a film, I think that was just so creatively written. They're like, okay, let's think here.

The people that grew up in the 80s are now in their 30s to 40 years old. So this is a prime time to market to that demographic. Most people by that time have got good money by this time and they're settled in, they can afford a Netflix membership stuff like that. Well, then they create this film that is well, very well written, but really they just pull from all these shows

that we all grew up watching. And it's like, you can't, you're just, I was more interested in that than I was actually the storyline. I was just like, oh shit, that reminds me of, that totally reminds me of Boulder, guys, or oh shit, that totally reminds me of. And just the music, the style of the font, the way, the synthesizers that they use, just it's just, and then they capture the flavor so well, like the cars, the clothes, the frickin furniture, it's so brilliant, it's such a good job. What's your favorite show, Dr. Brink?

What do you got in your favorite shows that you watch? I love you, you see. Walking Dead. Oh, I like the Walking Dead. You haven't abandoned it yet? I have not yet. It's got a little bit funky this season. You know?

This season I saw the first opener. Yeah, the opener and I was like, wow. That destroyed me. Okay, this is gonna be a very interesting season. I haven't seen it for like a year. It's too much. Yeah. What season is it on right now?

Like I think eight. Yeah. I believe there's a five season rule. It's very, very difficult for a show that, especially one that's not like, you know, comedy, you know, or what do you call that, like a sign failed or friends, like that type of sitcom. Yeah. So, you know, the, yeah, because only so far you can go. that like a sign failed or friends, like that type of sitcom. Yeah, so you know, the,

yeah, because only so far you can go. At some point you're like, all right, you're gonna kill zombies. Yeah, well now, yeah, they just kill people. Zombies are like in the back of them now. No, it's just like everyone killing each other now. And how bad can we smash this person's head in? Yeah. On TV.

Let's show you the baseball bat and bar wire on it. Oh my God. What is it? Is it, do you think they've jumped the shark? I think so, man. I think they're like, I bet you they lost half their audience with the season. Really?

Yeah. Do you know what that means, Adam? Jumping the shark? No, I've never heard that term. You never heard jump the shark? No. Have you brought it? I have not.

So jumping the shark is when a show, which is real popular, does something that just kind of ruins it and then nobody wants to watch it anymore. And it comes from Happy Days, remember Happy Days? And there was an episode because Happy Days went on for quite a while. There was a really love-beet-day. It was fucking love that show, right? It was a great great show, but there was an episode where, and it started to get a little bit funny when things started to change a little bit, people stopped watching it, and there was one moment where Fonzie, because the Fons could get away with anything, right?

Whatever you wanted. He was like on a, he was, he was water skiing behind a boat and a shark like tried to attack him or something and he just jumped over it on his water ski. And like after that it just got ridiculous and they called it jumping the shark. That's so great. Wow, that's a pretty cool story right there. Isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

It's been up. No, no, it's true. Probably did. That's really what happened. I really feel like that happens in almost all series. That's what I think it's a shock. Well, and that's what do you notice? Some of your best, like think of some of your best series like that.

Most of them are about five seasons. That's kind of the point where I feel like maybe that's when that happens. Is it season five or so? You're kind of rolling the dice. Well, it happens with Game of Thrones, because that's one of my jam. Well, you know, that's definitely one of my two. I feel like there's some that can get away with it, and if you go deep enough, which I feel like watching Westworld right now, that's like another one that you could go deeper than five seasons. Yeah, because I feel like it's such a deep show. There's so many, I mean, God, game of thrones, I have to watch every season when the next season comes. I have to watch like the previous three

and like the teaser and everything to remember like, who's got a hold of what country, what, you know, what kingdom and who's died. And like I'm like, there's so many moving parts in that. It's not like focused on one little, I mean, it's like multiple countries that are battling and shit. It's crazy. I think though with that, they only have, it's only once a year though.

Yeah. Right. So they only, they only show it once a year where some of these other, you know, movies, it's like they break it up into your, you know, what is it? Spring and fall or whatever. And so there's twice and they just, yeah, it's too much. Yeah, I do overkill on the, on the stuff. For sure.

You're a kid. You're a child of the 80s, yeah. You kind of grew up in the 80s. Yes. Any favorite shows from then when you were a kid? Yeah, I mean, I'd come home and I would watch like a Threes Company. Yeah.

Was that one? What was the married with children? Yeah, that was the one. Definitely love that Christiane Applegate. Definitely, no, my God. Al Bundy. She's nice So yeah, nice and tasty. Yeah, three company. I just got great fun.

I just got introduced to talk about Al Bundy. I got introduced to what's the one he's on now that is everybody talks about. Oh, Martin family. That one. I love that. I had never watched that before. And just when we were in Cabo, we turned it on and watched it.

And I'm like instantly hooked. I'm like, how did I miss this? This is hilarious. Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, great show, man. That's a great one. So let's talk a little bit about fitness and helping people, Dr. Brain.

Yeah, you're like a treasure trove. There's that word again. I gotta make sure you get more than once. I haven't used it. Sprinkle an egg all the time. I have to use it more than once. Just a treasure. I want you to use it without treasure though. Well, you know what? I want to use it more than once because I don't want you to make sure you get more than once. I haven't used it. It's sprinkling all the time. I have to use it more than once. It's just a treasure. I want you to use it without treasure, though. Well, you know why?

I want to use it more than once because I don't want you to butcher it. I guarantee you, at some point, you're going to say like, troves, trove, yeah, trove or something like that. I'm going to use it. I'm going to impress you. I'm going to use it somewhere. Yeah, so anyway, you're just a treasure trove

of amazing information. You're a treasure trove. Do you work on a lot on fighters? I do, don't you? You have quite a bit of pro MMA fighters actually. Yes. Any common things and themes you see with them? Yeah, they're beat up all the time.

That's not a good idea. Yeah, I bet. I mean, when your job is to get punched in the face, you know, I mean, yeah, from neck issues all the time, to low back issues, to shoulders, to fingers, to, you know, ankles and feet and knees. I mean, they've got it all. It depends on sort of what they're best at.

Is it Getsu? Is it, are they a grappler? Are they boxing? What style of fighter are they? Does it make sense? Do they ever come to you to get ready for, like if I got a fight on Saturday? Do any of them come to you and say,

okay, I got a fight on Saturday. I need to see you on Thursday or Friday or whatever to get ready for like if let's say I got a fight on Saturday, do any of them come and say, okay, I got a fight on Saturday, I need to see you on Thursday or Friday or whatever to get ready to, so I'm ready for that for that fight. Is that makes sense? Is that even happening? Well, not for me. You know, usually we're already seeing them before

to some capacity, whether it's more of maintenance on their end, they just come in on a weekly basis and we're just sort of going through their body to make sure everything is sort of working to what their optimum is. At that point, I'm not changing anything, you know, going through their body to make sure everything is sort of working to what their optimum is. At that point, I'm not changing anything, because I don't wanna make sure I'm not that wrench that's gonna obviously change the shoulder mobility

that they've now got. And we don't need to make it any different. I wanna maintain what they are. Now, when they're done with the fight, and they've got issues, then that's the perfect time for me to try and correct it. But prior to the fight, it's just them coming in and let's maintain, now if they have injuries,

then yeah, we're trying to obviously fix those injuries so they can go back in the ring and they can practice and they can spar and they can do what they need to do. So when they do get to the fight, they're at their 100% whatever that is. Well, what's your philosophy with this? I find it like, when I look at an athlete,

I find that you have some body types that Like they're in balance actually plays into their success in their sport. Yes, so how do you how do you handle something like they like for example We're using fire so I think this will be a priority example and tent fighters and boxers to have this excessive Forward shoulder because they're covering up. Yeah, they're they're staying in tight They're keeping their hands, you know closer their face they're covering up. Yeah, they're staying in tight, they're keeping their hands closer, face, they're rounded forward. And I've heard of, I know some professionals

have taken someone like that and they try and get those people to get themself in a neutral spine alignment and they work on opening them up so much and trying to fix that imbalance that they've caused. And it actually hinders the way that they fight. So someone who's in the corrective mentality, how do you handle that? Like what do you do?

Do you just kind of work around that? Or keep them there. I mean, you're not gonna sit there. If you're in a fight, you're not gonna sit there and say, keep your posture. You can get punched in the face. Right? So it's like, no, we want to try and enforce that.

But I'm also cognizant of what that is doing to their body. Right? So we are still trying to do the same stuff on a therapeutic level, trying to open them up, but at the same time, teaching them, you can go in and you can come out. Right. So if you can go into that protective, you know, posture,

but let's get you to be able to pull yourself out as well, you know, not teaching them, hey, when you're getting ready to get punched in the face, I want perfect posture. Stand ahead up. Yeah, exactly. You're done. You're not. I think that brings up a good point

because when you're, especially when you're a high level athlete, you have a very, you have very, very in-tune body awareness, right? You have to, to be at that level. So I think, I, and this was one of your past podcasts that I was listening to, and what I was laughing when I was hearing it, because it's like all my professional athletes, they are perfect at cheating.

What do you mean? Their body cheats like no other. They cheat their movements more so than the normal person. This is why a lot of them are at the level that they're at. They're able to cheat their position better than someone else. That's it. So give me an example of that. They're trying to do a squad or they're moving.

They try and do a squad and they can't even get their butt past 90 degrees. Or I've got runners that can't even activate their feet. Yeah, they're running on their feet all the time. You know, or I've got. They become really fucking good at doing, working with what they have. Correct.

Yeah. And so that's right along the point that I was gonna make is like, I remember when I, you know, the six years that I trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, during that period of time, there were a couple times right, you know, because I was still lifting weights, I would want to bulk up, or I'd want to, you know, drop body weight.

And if I let my body change shape too much, it's as if I lost some of my technique, but it wasn't because I was a big guy or a smaller guy, it's because I was used to my body in a certain way when I was learning and drilling that technique, does that make sense? Yeah. So it's almost like you guys ever see, you know, it's because I was used to my body to certain way when I was learning and drilling that technique, does that make sense? Yeah. So it's almost like you guys ever see,

you know, it's like a teenager, you know, they grow up real fast and look kind of awkward and lanky or when you got a two-year-old dog or one and a half-year-old dog and it gets real big and it just looks goofy at first because they don't have that body awareness. And the term old man strength, I think that's probably where it comes from, right? I've always remember that, like,

why are these old guys so fucking strong? It's because they've been in their bodies for so long. So, you still have their body. I know their body better, man. They've got incredible body awareness. Well, when you think it makes so much sense to me, when you say it like that, I mean, I remember when I imagine right now,

if I made you two inches shorter, you'd immediately become awkward because you're just not used to yourself being that short. You know what I'm saying? Or even two inches taller, you know what I'm saying? You have to use to, you become aware of'm saying, or even two inches taller, you know, I'm saying, if they used to, you become aware of your body, and if you change it too much,

you're gonna lose that ability to perform or whatever. So it's almost like, now that I'm saying that, it sounds like a delicate balance on your part, right? You don't wanna change them so much that now they have to like change their technique. No, well, last year I got the opportunity to go travel with a fencer that, you know, she made it to the Olympics. Oh, fencing. Yeah. So they're always in an awkward position. It's always like in a lunge position. On one side, for sure. So

I'm not really sitting there to try and say, okay, let's get your right hip to be the same as your left. I'm going to try and optimize what that position is on your right to your left. Right. And make sure that right now you're doing well, but let's still make sure that you can do the motion. You know, let's make sure your hips are still what they're supposed to be doing. But when you're training, you're training in that specific capacity. Now would you say that if I have a young athlete, you know, let's say in their teens or whatever, that off season would be a good time to try and balance them out to prevent injury,

but then when they're in the actual training in season, then you strengthen those positions because there's a conflicting feeling I get when I hear that, because obviously this person came to you for max performance, and that's what you're gonna do. But on the other side of it, if I have a kid who's a picture

or whatever, I'm thinking, man, I wanna make sure this kid doesn't have all these problems later on. How do you do that? Is it an offseason? Is that what you do? I feel like this goes to, I think where we know that sports are,

let's be honest, they're not the healthiest thing for the body whatsoever. Especially not today. Yeah, right? One's one sport oriented. And it's becoming more extreme, right? I mean, you're having to start at a younger and younger and younger age to become at that elite level. I mean, what the kids are doing now,

what compared to 20 years goes insane. So, which is means that really what's happening is they're having to create these patterns at even younger age, which we're really setting ourselves up. So, it really comes down to your priority. And we've talked about this before that, to each their own, everyone has their own goals. And if you really have this desire

to be a professional athlete or do that, you are making sacrifices. You are going to sacrifice overall health. That is not ideal for your body. It's just being aware that I'm being okay with that. So then when you ask a question like that, to Dr. Brink, I think, well, I mean, I really feel like that has to be the question that you asked the athlete,

like what is a priority to you? Do you want me to continue to enhance your performance or do you wanna make sure we're gonna be careful of what the future is going to be because of the way you're putting your, the patterns you're establishing and setting yourself up with in the future and what you may experience as far as pains or

theritis is all these kinds of things because you decided that this was the priority and I wanted all high performance in my sport. Right. Right. In your opinion, Dr. Brink, you worked with lots of athletes. What category of athlete would you say are probably the most, I don't know, imbalanced? Were you see some of these just traumatic, you know, I mean, guess or what? I don't know. What do, where you see some of these just traumatic, you know, can we guess or what? Yeah, I don't know.

What do you think? Yeah, we should guess. Well, I would imagine fencing would be one of them. Fencing is a big one. Yeah. Because you're going to be always in that one-sided. I don't think anything would be to top of my head be to pitcher. Yeah.

Pitchers are the big one. Yeah. I would definitely. Runners. Runners. Oh, shit. Runners because, I mean, especially now, what's... Because they were poor going in and then it's just reestablished that. And what's big now is all the OCR stuff, right? I would definitely runners. I mean, oh shit. Runners because, I mean, especially now,

because they were poor going in and then it's just reestablished that. And what's big now is all the OCR stuff, right? The Spartan races, the tough mutters, right? And what do they do? Another carrying bags of rock, stuffin' downhill. I love you saying that. You know, and I think it's great for them,

but again, how do they go and train? Yeah. You know, they're in the gym training. Well, that doesn't equate to the same tissue load or tissue demands out on a hill, you know, running out of 45 degree angle, carrying a hundred pounds, you know, a thing of rocks. And you know, I get what's that demand over uneven surface? You know, can your ankles handle it? Right?

Can your feet handle it? You know, can your hips and so all of a sudden the body becomes so imbalanced. It's like how do we, how do we try and regress them back to just a basic pattern to begin with or just getting the body, hey, can your ankle move how it supposed to? Because if it can't, then you're gonna roll your ankle when you get out there on the hill.

I want to take back my, I want to take back my, I would actually then now listening to that, then CrossFit has to be one of the top ones. You have to see more CrossFit people than a lot of people I would. So it's, it is. Unless they're like,

I would think overuse injuries. So, so it's funny with CrossFit is, and my other office is, is inside of a CrossFit box than a lot of people I would. So it's, it is. Unless they're like, I think overuse injuries. So, so it's funny with CrossFit is, and my other office is inside of a CrossFit box, you know, so I see a lot of them, but it's not because CrossFit hurt them, right? And this is what I try and get them to understand, you know, because I hear it all the time, oh, a deadlift hurt me.

A deadlift didn't hurt you, you hurt you, right? You didn't have the capacity to do the deadlift. The deadlift is a goal, right? When we all know what a deadlift is, and you know, it's the same across the board. So that you didn't walk in capacity to do the deadlift. The deadlift is a goal, right? When we all know what a deadlift is, and it's the same across the board. So that you didn't walk in that day and say, all right, today's gonna hurt me, because that's the case, you're not gonna go lift, right?

So you going in, you did something, where you overfatigged. Did you set up wrong? What was the process that led you to hurt your back on the deadlift? Because then you go see your MD, right? And the MD says, well, take six weeks off, take these pills, come back, see me blah, blah, blah. Stop deadlifting.

Okay, then stop bending over and grabbing your shoes. Don't brush your teeth, because you just hip-hinsht. Right, and that's for me as such a hard thing to try and establish. It's like, you gotta look at what the motion was. It was you that failed, right? So now we go into the runner, we go into a fighter, we go into a pitcher.

What was the mechanism by which set them up for disaster to begin with? Because it's usually not the motion. Now as a pitcher, okay, it's repetitive strain pattern. We can see that, but why over time was that tissue not able to accept that load? And then why did that one time, boom, it just snapped. It sounds like your philosophy comes from like, hey, your body is able to do all these incredible things. It's actually able to do much more than we think. And when you get hurt, it's not because your body failed

is because you just didn't train it properly. You're the trainer, you're the trainer, oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was when I was in Korea, I was watching the Korean Olympic team, I was watching this guy, and he was the 2012, you know, Olympian, you know, gymnast.

And he was warming his shoulders up on the uneven bars and then he went on to the floor. And he was running on the floor. He did one flip in the air, landed, bam, I killed he's popped. It's like, why did that one time? And I guaranteed he'd probably done that thousands of times prior. What did he not do that one morning, or what set him up for that disaster because now he wasn't able to go to the 2016 Olympics. And connecting that, exactly. You know?

That's the, I think that's the, that's a great, I mean, God, it's like, that's such a great way to think about it because here's somebody that's done that a billion times. He did it part of a, as part of a warm up. So it's life. Yeah, it probably wasn't like this crazy thing. No.

And then it was her warm-up. It was what they were doing, just out on the floor, just doing their little flips. And he landed and you just watched it snap and he just buckled to the ground. So it's like, why did that happen on that one day? Because I guarantee if he knew he was gonna tear his Achilles, he wasn't coming to practice that day.

It's not like he had damaged it prior to that. Yeah, no, like hidden issue going in. Well, I don't know, I don't know what his history was, but obviously he's out there doing it. So he had enough capacity to go out there and do his warm up. So you know, this, this reminds me of a lot of what motivated us to for like prime. I mean, this is that same mentality is nobody talks about the importance of getting your body ready before you go lift.

Exactly. We put so much emphasis on, oh, do this, do that, you're gonna get the most from this. Oh, this is the best program for this, this is the best program for that. It's like nobody's talking about getting prepping your body for any of those work, it's because all of those workouts can be super efficient

for each and every one of us. But if you learn, if you don't learn how to get your body ready going into, that's where this stuff happens. Or, or let's not even talk about injury, that's where you don't maximize your lift. Yes. Like you can get so much more out of your, out of your lifts when you learn how to prep the body going into it and have that understanding of making those connections.

Yep. That's a lot of what, what Prime was really all about, what motivated us for that. Now, you, you have in the past, you talked about in our last episode how you had torn, was it your ACL on both sides? Left one was surgically repaired 10 years ago, right one I tore four years ago has not been repaired so far. So you tore them relatively recently?

Like my left one was 10 years ago from playing basketball, my right one was four years ago playing soccer. Now did you identify why you were so prone to knee injury? So left one at the time, I thought I was just in lifting weights and I could dunk and all that. I thought, oh, I'm strong. All I was catch a pass and I pivoted

and boom, buckled in half. So at that point is really what set me on my quest for there's gotta be more than just strength. And not being or just being strong wasn't it because clearly that wasn't a strength move by catching a pass and just pivoting. That was more of a, okay, how does my body be strong, but now I just ripped my ACL in half. And again, that was sort of what prompted me now to do,

the NESM stuff, and the CES, and the PES, and then that's sort of what just kept prompting me. And my right one, I think, was just sort of a freak accident, where I chased a guy down and my quad contracted way too hard and and just shared it right in half. Wow. So how are your hips? The reason why I ask you that is because your past was your competitive at a pretty high level in water polo. Yeah.

And there's a lot of treading water, right? Which is the, do you, now I'm not super familiar with water polo, nor am I an excellent swimmer, but treading water requires egg-beater motion. Correct. I'm with you. Now anecdotally speaking, I've worked with athletes

in the past who were water polo, I worked with a synchronized swimmer, who was at a high level, and that egg-beater pattern, because the knees obviously can flex and extend, they don't rotate, they don't bend laterally, but the hips can do a lot of these different movements, and you're doing this egg-beater pattern. Do you think that might have contributed to your both knees having those issues or do you think?

Could have, I think a lot of it probably was just me being in school. You know, and I was sitting for three years when I was in chiropractic school, so I go from, you know, because it didn't happen when you were competing. Yeah, so go more elite level, you know, as I was playing where I was more functional, if you will, you know, where my body was more functional on that end to sitting for three years, and then going out there and then playing basketball, where it required me to rotate, right? And then I rotated and my body's like,

I don't understand what rotation means right now, you know, and something goes. Oh, I literally felt this just, when were we down in, was that, when we down to San Diego this summer? So it was not even like six, seven months ago. I'm feeling in great shape as far as body fat percentage. My buddies and I decided we're gonna throw

a little like football on the beach. And just taking off to run in the sand, I literally felt like I strained a hip flexor than my hamstring. I was like, I ran three plays and I literally had to tell my buddies like, you know what, I can see where this is going. You know, I got to stop, I'm smart enough to stop.

And I wasn't even going at 100%. It was just, you know, when you stop using that, and I'm a strong guy, I can squat, I can deadlift, I can do all these things, but my body was not used to moving and asking for it to move that explosively like that. And boy, it tells you, if you've been out of that, it's not like fucking riding a bike. You can't just get right back on and go with that speed again,

but our mind sometimes tell us that we're... Well, I think that's where a lot of people can get injured again, right? Because they do their activity, they get injured, they take their time off, and they want to jump right back into what they were before. Well, if they took six weeks off, your tissue has changed in six weeks.

If you take a month off, you take two months, whatever the heck it is, right? Your tissue is already starting to change. So if you take that time, rest, right? Because that's what everyone says, I'll just go rest. What does rest mean?

If you're resting, I want you working on everything else to get everything else primed and ready to go, right? So your body is optimally ready to go when that tissue is healed. Now, when you think of that, right, like as far as priming the body, getting it ready for these movements that you're about to call upon it. Like, what would you think, like if you had to give it a percentage or an idea of like, how important is that into like the overall success? Not just for an athlete, I mean, including an athlete,

but also like somebody who is trying to build muscle and to just be stronger inside the gym. Like, how much do you think that carries over into their lifts and their performance inside the gym? Well, it's huge. You know, I mean, you gotta look at just the, the bice Well, it's huge. You gotta look at just the bicep itself. We look at the bicep as just an action and reaction. It brings my hand up to my deltoid.

It just flexes the arm. No, it doesn't. It does a lot more than just that. If you rotate your hand in and out, bicep is still moving. So you're still hitting different fibers. That's why as you're doing your bicep curls or hammer curls, you start changing risk position,

hand position Well, what do we like to work in? We like to work in what we're stronger in we don't like to do it or weaker in right if we're Titer than area we don't like to work on what we don't like to work on so what what starts to happen that's your limiting capacity So I'll say you put yourself into a position that requires that motion what happens injury? You know, so as we're now going to the gym and you want to train better, yes, you need to prime your area, right? You want to make sure that you're optimizing as much of that tissue as you can. So the biggest range of motion you can get out of that joint because if you need to call on all those muscle fibers to work, I'd much rather call on 100% of them versus 50%

because I've always been working in a short and a range range and we wonder why we can't do something different. Now one thing you talked about in our last episode, as you mentioned, something about control, like controlling, you know, all of the different parts of range of motion. And one thing I remember you did with, I believe it was Adam's assessment, where you showed him his range of motion. And I believe it wasn't his toe. Yeah.

You said here, and you, you just picked up his toe and moved it with your hand. You're like, this is your actual range of motion. And I believe it wasn't as tall. Yeah. You said here, and you, you, you just picked up as tall and moved it with your hand. You're like, this is your actual range of motion. Yeah, you don't, you can't move it within this range of motion. You know, maybe explain to our listeners the difference between range of motion and control. Well, so range of motion is, you know, let's say you can, you know, passively you land your back and you try and pull your foot, you know, up to, like, doing a straight leg raise. And passively your trainer, your doc, whoever it is, they can get you to 90 plus degrees. But now, good and we try and have you lift it and you only make

it to 70. So now you're losing 20 plus degrees of active range emotion that we know you do have, your muscles just don't have the ability to get you there. So in that assessment where I had, Adam lift his left big toe, and then I lifted it up even more. So we gained another maybe five or 10 degrees of range of motion out of his toe, but once I let go, it dropped back down towards the ground. And that's something that is he's probably walking. He's probably not using his toe to that capacity. So he's probably rolling off the toe in a different fashion. So now his foot mechanics are going to change. Right? So now tissue tension is going to change and his foot is going to start to change,

whether it's now pronating or supinating, just depending on what his issue is. It's literally, you're just turned off in that range of motion. Your CNS is just not fine. Well, yeah, you gave it prioritized it based off of the patterns you established. Well, it's like, how many people

that you've worked on can actually pull their heel to their butt? I mean, they've got great range of motion, right? So you can, they can do, you know, I can stand whatever and pull their heel to the butt. But the moment they let go, can they keep their heel on their butt? And what happens if they do? Hamstring gets cooked, right?

So what is that? That's that neurologic confusion. It's going, I have never been this short before and called upon to actually work, right? So all of a sudden, we cramp and what's our body do. Oh, straighten it out, stretch it out, no, stay in it. Right? It's just, the muscles are stupid.

I mean, this is why when people say muscle confusion, you're not confusing the muscles when you're doing just training central nervous system in different ways. In reality, that's what you're training. More than anything, it's a CNS has nothing to do with, you know, your muscles, your muscles will contract, they'll move and contract in the way your CNS can, can, can, can, can move them. Absolutely. So how do you get that then? How do you, if I pull up my heel to my butt with my hand, and I've got the range of motion, but now I let go and I can't get my heel all the way up,

what would be the steps to getting that there and pull it as hard as you can and hold it there. Keep teaching yourself, okay, we can go without your hands, you mean? Yeah, you're trying to bring your heel up to your butt without using the assistance of your other or any of your hands to bring it there. So you have to actively do that and you will cramp up like a motherfucker because I've done this before. Like sitting in a lunch position,

and that down leg on the backside, you just pull your heel up to your butt. How far can you actively pull your heel all the way up before that hamstring takes off? When it does, stay there. Don't straighten it out, stay in that moment because that's your body's maximal contraction. And we wanna teach it, it's okay to be there.

And then try and pull a little bit harder. And I would ramp them up at that point. You know what I'm saying? And we want to teach it. It's okay to be there, right? And then try and pull a little bit harder. And I would ramp them up at that point, you know, and say, I want you to squeeze harder, pull harder, pull harder and pull harder. And at that point, they're screaming at you already because that hamstring is just lit up. And it's gonna be sore and they just did one rep, right? And it soars all can be.

That's gonna be harder than doing any hamstring curls on a ball or anything like that because what'd you just do? You just taught it to go in as short as capacity possible at that moment in time. And then tomorrow or the next that, because what'd you just do? You just taught it to go in its shortest capacity possible at that moment in time. And then tomorrow or the next day, we do it again, right? We go a little bit further and go a little bit further.

Well, so this is, it's kind of good to hear this, and I'll tell you why, as trainers, we understand when we train a client, new client, right, beginner, who hasn't worked out or hasn't worked out for a long time, that they're gonna make initially very rapid strength gains. If I take a beginner, it's not out of the realm for me, especially if I can get him into a proper squad

or whatever, it's not crazy for me to be able to add 50 pounds to the squad in a month or less because it's their CNS that starts to adapt way before they actually building the muscle. I'll get someone from a hundred pound squat, to a hundred fifty pound squat, not huge visible changes in their quads, but they've gone up 50%.

And it happened very short per time. Does that happen with what you're talking about? Do you see quick adaptations when we're dealing with what you're talking about as well? Well, you can. You know, and again, I think it depends on the person that you are dealing with. You know, so as you're doing that, you're regular desk jockey, you're probably not going to get that because where are they always sitting at 90 degrees, right? So that's something that I would say, okay, I want you doing this numerous times a day today, right? How many times would you say? Hey, as often as you

got 20, 30, 40, 50 times, I'm telling people, they look at me like, really? Like, you need your leg to work for you all day long. Yeah. I think of it as practice. I'll tell you what, like, to, so ever, ever since I saw a brink and we, and we went through my whole assessment and he gave me these, these things that I needed to work on, right? And I, and I, and I first, and I remember him saying that to me too, he's just, you know, as often as possible, just do it as often as possible. And I, and I knew that when I left there that, okay, and I remember him saying that to me too, is as often as possible, just do it as often as possible. And I knew that when I left there that, okay, what I started doing was,

my mind was, okay, I wanna do as often as possible, but right now I'm doing it never, right? So then I just started implementing it as part of my pre-workout, I'm like, okay, I'm not doing it ever, so at least starting to do it then. And then I started doing it before and after, then I started doing it like once throughout the rest of the day,

then I started just getting in a habit of putting myself in these positions or trying to get connected like that, like several times throughout the day. The more I saw myself making that attempt to do that, the faster it accelerated my progress. You could see that, now when I teach clients and I pass on what he kind of gave to me, this is what I have to kind of preach to them, is that listen, if you go about it and you think you're gonna just do it like every once in a while, well, you're also creating bad patterns, more, if you're creating more bad patterns

the rest of the day and more often than you're addressing these good patterns you're trying to work on, you're gonna see a very slow gradual progress, but if you make it a goal to be doing, putting yourself in this movement and challenging that as much as possible throughout the day, you'll start to see a progress really fast. And that's when I started to see my results accelerate.

I went from somebody who couldn't break, barely break 90 degrees to now be in a sitting at baby position like all day if I wanted to. It reinforces the, you know, where we talk about how exercise is practice more than it's just breaking, you know, muscle down and hammering yourself. Yeah. I mean, if you want to practice, and it's funny, because if you told the average person,

hey, I want you to learn how to juggle, they would practice, and if they were really serious about it, they would practice all day long. But if you tell someone, hey, I want you to build your quads, your hams, your glutes, or you want to get better, you know, abs, whatever. For some reason, it's been hammering in our head that you do it once a week. You know what I'm saying? You don't need to practice it, just beat it up and then leave it alone. But that practice component is so important.

Dr. Brink, at the moment, you're going through MAP Santa Ballock, right? MAPS Red. When you were reading through it and you saw the trigger session concept, you must have been like, oh, well, no shit. Yeah. Yeah. It must have made a lot of sense to you at that point. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, you say on there what, dude, like, two to three times a day. Yeah. And obviously, my office, I can do that more, you know. So I'll just walk out in between clients, whatever, and grab my bands, and do them, you know, and do some squats in my office.

It's easy. So, yeah, it's actually been pretty cool to do. How have your strength gains been? Huge. It's really huge. Yeah, huge. What phase are you in? I'm in my, just starting my second week of your phase two. Yeah, sorry, first week of phase two.

Oh, excellent. So phase one, you just saw strength goes through the roof. Yeah, yeah. What if any size gains or anything like that muscle yet? I haven't paid attention to it, but definitely. Because Adam was commenting on your glutes. He said they look Fantastic Fantastic, they look a lot fuller Any powerful here's a here's something interesting. I want to know if you've noticed this for yourself anecdotally

But when people do maps, especially phase one on maps and a ballad red or even just added trigger sessions A lot of people will say that they're, that they get hungry, that their appetite goes up. Is that happening to you? Are you hungry and hungry? No, because I've been playing with for the past four to five months now, the whole intermittent fasting. Oh, and that's not that. So, yeah, I don't ever really get hungry.

Okay, good. You know, ever, so, yeah, I couldn't answer that one. Okay, yeah, because I was wondering if there was, what your theory was on that or what not, because I have mine, but it's, it's very strange. Yeah, what are you, what do you find, what have been like, what are challenging lifts for you? What are your better lifts? So for me, my deadlift is one that I always just did, but I never pushed it just because

of having back surgery. You know, it's like, all right, I want to make sure that everything is just as optimum as it can be, you know, but I don't need to lift heavy. And this is time I'm like, all right, you know what, I'm just going to push myself here and I just want to see what I can do. And not that I have a lot of crazy weights in my office, you know, but I don't need to lift heavy. And this is time I'm like, all right, you know, and I'm just gonna push myself here and I just wanna see what I can do. And not that I have a lot of crazy weights in my office, you know, but I've loaded them all up and I'm pulling them all off the ground.

Oh, wow. So, and I'm like, okay, this has been pretty cool. Because before I just said, you know, 135 to 150 and just that was my, that was easy for me. Right. You know, and now I'm up like 225 to 50-ish, you know, somewhere in there. And I know I can go more if I wanted to.

If I wanted to, but I'm just like, I'm just for me just because of the whole back issue and stuff, I'd much rather be more stable. I don't care about the strength, but it's like, does my back work. And right now it's working. So. I've just got to be exciting.

Are you noticing any hormone change? I mean, when you start to build muscle, people to men typically especially will notice the rise and testosterone, they'll start to feel you noticing something like that. Are you horny or doctor? Let's just skirt around. He wants to say. What are you just asking? Are you banging more often in the week or what? Bro, just saying. It's amazing. Oh, Jesus, bro. Our best review came from his girlfriend. I actually haven't done Matt's, and I'm all for it. It's been fantastic. It's hip thrusting since you're much more powerful.

Trigger sessions, two to three times a day. Yeah, that's right. That's what people always ask. We don't do cardio, that's all we do. Hip thrusting. I want to know, I don't think we've ever got into this with you. I think this will be cool asking you this. You know, we all deal with so many people.

I mean, we've probably seen hundreds, probably thousands of clients and patients. What do you find is most challenging for you with the average? What is a common thing that you kind of bang your head against the wall with people that they just either don't get through, you don't get through to them or what do you have a hard time with? What frustrates you? People not listening. Yeah. Right. I mean, people coming into you for a reason. I don't do, we don't do any marketing, you know, for the office at all, it's all word of mouth. And I think we've done a really good job at establishing ourselves as, hey, we're sort of those movement specialists, if you will. So people come in and we're giving them recommendations.

They will come back in their second and third and their fourth visits. They will tell me everything that they are doing, except for what we told them to do. And they wonder why they're still having an issue. So we went through all the stuff in our rehab room and we walked you through this and this and this, but yet you're not, I just don't have time. But you just rattled off 30 other things. And it's okay if you do that, but yet you still have pain.

We're telling you this for a reason. That's because we want to. There's a reason behind what we're giving you. Do you find that's from people who maybe expect like more of a quick fix? Like, oh, you're gonna tell me to exercise? No, because a lot of those people don't stick with me. Right.

So they come in, they know what they're getting because someone has told them, hey, they're gonna do XYZ with you. Yeah. So they already have some basic understanding. And when they do come in and if they don't like what I have to say, they don't come back again. So it reminds me of this, which it's a similar frustration

I feel like I have. So today I took somebody on new and he's actually a friend of mine. He's tied into the San Jose sharks and he's been around, he's been with the organization for a long time. Really, really good dude and I've been telling him for quite some time. Hey man, when you get some time come in and I'll take care of you. And we finally met. Now this guy, you know, he's got a couple of years on me. He's been in this sharks organization for a very long time. He's been around all kinds of professional athletes,

professional trainers that work all the professional athletes. So he's been around a lot of brilliant minds, which I like that. I like like, okay, cool, but I'm going to get a chance to take somebody who's had some really good, probably training and stuff. And when we first came in, you know, I'm doing my assessment with him and kind of asking questions and, you know, this, it's time to get serious, Moe. He's like, you could just tell the way he walked in the door was like, ready to like, fuck, and let's get this workout on, right?

And I told him right away, I said, listen, today we're probably just going to do some, some, a lot of assessing. I just want to see how you move. And then I'm going to give you a few things that I want you to work on. And then we're going to build on that. We're going to build on that, right? And he says, well, you know, my other training, I have the program from what my last trainer gave me, I can share that with you.

And I say, okay, yeah, you know, you could share that with me, but I don't, let me see how you go. I'll probably have some other things that I'll have you doing, right? And you know, like right away, like I go to get him in a squat. And you could see as soon as he goes to get a squat, that, you know, he's been taught form, like right away, he's, you know, looking and to see how he's doing. And he's just like, you just can't break 90, right? And I'm watching him move,

and then I go over and do kind of the wall tests with him and windmill tests, and I'm seeing how he moves, and I'm like, oh, dude, and to top it off, is when he's on the wagon, right? He's training five to six days a week in the weights, he's got this program, this trainer set him up for,

and then he runs three to four times a week, and he's running five to 15 mile runs. And I'm going like, oh my God, dude, you're just reinforcing, and then he's got all kinds of back issues, he's got knee issues, he's got hip issues, he's got all the shit going on, and, you know, and he's ready to get fucked up by me, right? And I'm just like, no, dude, I'm not gonna,

I'm not gonna, yeah, I'm like, I'm not gonna do that to you. And in fact, when you're done with me, and I like, I sat down and like the baby position, you're gonna sit like like, no, dude, I'm not gonna do that to you. And in fact, when you're done with me, and I like, I sat down and like the baby position, you're gonna sit like this, bro. I'm gonna get you here. You, I know you can get there, like it's there, you know? And we're gonna, we're gonna put a program together.

I'm gonna get you lean and we're gonna build some muscle. We're gonna do all that shit. That shit's easy for me. Along the way, I'm literally gonna change your life, but you have to trust the process. So I took them through it and like, I did like a, your life, but you have to trust the process. So I took him through it and I did like a walking lizard with rotation and we did some handcuff to a rotation,

some shoulder dislocates, some band pull-up parts. I did some rows for retraction on him and then like some real slow and control chest flies to open them up a little bit. And that was pretty much it with the weights and then we did a lot of like kind of mobility drills, fucking just drenched in sweat, right? Like crazy.

And when he's all done, he looks at me and he goes, okay, so what do you want me to do the rest of the time in the gym? Like what's my workout program? Like nothing. I was like, do that. I was like, all I want you to do is to literally do that so you see me again.

And then I'm gonna reassess you. And I'm gonna know when I reassess you if you've been doing that shit. And if you haven't been doing that shit, we're going to do more of that shit. And then once I, if you come back to me and I see that we've improved, I'm going to build upon that and then I'm going to bring you back in and then I'm going to build upon that and we're just going to slowly and it's like, you can see like him fighting that and we had to like sit down and have like this talk of, I know you've been around athletes and

you have that, you were an around athletes and you have that you Were an athlete yourself and you have this athletic mind of like I'm ready to get serious I'm ready to train hard and let that's your mentality, but dude That's not how you want to train about it when I when you're when I'm done with you You're not gonna have her have this on and off the wagon bullshed ever again You're gonna be so aware and connected your body You're you're gonna be good forever, but you just gotta trust the process.

So Katrina does all my booking and scheduling, and so handles that stuff, and he's a mutual friend of both of ours. He left, and I was really curious when he would reach out to her to set up the next appointment and come in, and she called me right away, and she said, dude, what did you do with him? And I was like, well, I just showed him a couple of things and because she was really curious because she knows his personal trainer with the athletes and some of that, she actually has been trained by him too when she was in college playing basketball. And you know, so she was really curious to hear how I was going to be different and how

I trained him. And he was just like, oh, just mind blown. It was just like, can I get in tomorrow and can I see him on Friday? I'm just, I want to say, do hold off on this scheduling. Let me get home and I'll tell you when we can get him in, but I'll share with you. I was like, you know, it's, it's so hard to break that of people. And I know that because I, you know, I mean, this is one of the reasons why I was so excited to meet you was because you knew what to say. Like you know, you know this and you know this about your people. I think this is what makes incredible PT's, incredible trainers and chiro's. When you've seen so many fucking people

that you already know how they're going to react, even after you give this fucking mind-blowing information that you can set them up, that listen, I know what the fuck you're going to go do, but you need to listen to me and you need to do that. I mean, you had that same ability with me to just like, and you do a good job of like just giving a couple of things because you know, if you overwhelm them with them, yeah, they're done. It's wait, I don't have time, right? It's crazy to me.

I mean, today I met the stiffest guy I've ever met in my life. You know, this morning, and he literally had like 10, 10 or more than you. 10 degrees of motion like in every capacity. That's it. And his exercise was to lay on his belly and try and prop him up on his forearms. He couldn't do it.

Could not do it. His glutes, his back, his abs spasmed on him when he's laying in that position. He couldn't do it. And I had him lay on his back. And his neck was six inches or his head was six inches off the ground. And so he went in and saw his, you know, his docs, he said, sorry, we can't do anything about this. Look at your, your spine is this, your spine is that you've already, you've got this anterior head carriage. It's just

what you are for the rest of your life. I'm like, well, that sucks. You've already gave him a death sentence. I know. Really? I just told the fuck you, bro. It gets me so angry when I got out of here. You're 52 and you're done, you know? Like, no. So here, lay in your back now. He couldn't even get his knees flat on the ground. I had to put a foam roller under his head. A foam, a six inch foam roller fit underneath his head.

Holy come on. Oh shit, dude. So those were his two exercises. Go home. I want you laying in your cubicle at your office in this position. Oh my God. You know, and again, he spasmed in both positions.

He couldn't do it. He sleeps in a recliner now because he can't lay flat on his bed. I'm like, but that's what you have, this what you've made yourself to do. You know? You know, and this is extreme. It seems like, you know, it could go in either direction, right? You get someone who comes in and then you, you know, someone wants to get in shape, right? Like an art field.

Yeah. I want to get in shape. I want to lose weight. I want to build muscle. And then we say, okay, we're not going to lift weights yet. First, we're going to do all this stuff. It's going to take a bunch of time. And either they come on board, or I've had some people literally not come back because they're like, that's not what I want.

I just want to get beat up, or I just want to answer. I want to hear from them. Do you get any of those? Because it's, or do you, I mean, do you get a lot of clients that like you're like the last straw? Like, okay, I do get a lot of those. But I do get ones that will come on in. But again, if they don't like what I'm telling them, cause most of them are, you got to move.

You got to move differently. You got to teach your body to do something different than it's been doing for 20, 30, 40, 50 years, right? And if they can buy into that, then they'll stay. If they don't, they're looking for that quick fix. I'll tell them off the bat, I'm much a man. Yeah. Go somewhere else.

Do other chiropractor's like you or hate you? I don't know. Yeah. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Honestly, honestly, I don't care. I've got three that are two doors down for me

and it's weird with our profession because we are so like a territorial. You know, I mean, you go to a dental complex. It's a complex. There's how many dentists in the same area or a medical complex. You will never find a chiro complex, right? It's funny.

It's not that way. It's very territorial. And so I don't know six years ago when I moved in, those guys have been there for 30 some odd years. I don't know if all of a sudden they felt sort of, oh my gosh, there's another chiroibibing in. I'm like, but we are night day difference. I was what we do.

So, whether they like me or not, honestly, don't care. You know, because I'm just gonna give you my opinion. If you don't like it, you can go to the guys' three doors down because they'll treat you. Oh, yeah. So, they'll crack your back into it. That's how you want them. They'll always be a market for the quick thing.

For sure. I mean, even in our industry, people are always like, they have an idea of what they already want to experience. And so if they're not going to get it from somebody like you, you give them the real deal, but they're just going to reject it right away because it doesn't fit their profile. Well, you know, I even think that's how like, if we could go back all over again, right? And we, we know like the future and what the the finished product of all the maps programs looks like, right? So we're, we're too away from completing. And after this week will only be won away, right? From complete knowing what we have in store,

knowing what we know, like we had to release maps red and then green and then black and now we're almost like building the prequils to the program. And if we were not the shitty version, but we had, but we had no little anis. We had to do that because we And if we were not the shitty version, but we had, but we had no little anis we had to do that because we knew if we, if we started the other direction where, where we want people to be, right? Like nobody would, nobody would listen. Nobody would give us, we first had to show you how bad ass programming that we can do to give you get you stronger to make you look better, to make you move better. Now let's start really divin, dive, dive in deeper into your shit to where you start to, to make you move better. Now let's start really diving deeper into your shit

to where you start to learn about your body. And this is the shit that you need to learn before you do anything, right? So it's so hard because everybody wants that. Like I wanna lose 15 pounds. Like fuck that I can't see. My chest is like yesterday. Yeah, yeah, right.

Forget the fact that I can't fucking sit down on a toilet, right? Forget the fact that I can't, you know, lift my shoulder above my head, like forget all those things. I just wanna look at the onstage and be straight. Yes, 30 days. It's tough, man. It's definitely an uphill battle, but I feel like, I at least, and I don't know if it's because we're in it

and we feel like we're moving it, but I feel like the tone is changing. I feel like the industry is kind of getting smarter, you know. People are starting to figure out, you're starting to see more of these Kelly Starritz and Dr starting to figure out, you're starting to see more of these Kelly stars and Dr. Spinnies. You're starting to see more of these guys come out. I mean, the fact that we found you,

like, I didn't think you existed in San Jose. I really didn't think that somebody had came over. Do you even know anybody else that's doing what you're doing here? I don't. They do similar stuff. Now, where they do exactly what we do. I don't know.

But I know there's people that do a lot of the same things that I do, but do they incorporate it in the capacity that we do it in, that I don't know. Yeah, I don't think Justin, you know, do you know any of you need to be cocked here, Dr. Brink? Yeah, that was really a humble to say, because I've been waiting, I think I- If I asked the Adam that question, Adam would've been like,

fuck no, nobody's like a sports Cairo that in the area, but I forget his name, but work with the Niners. Dr. Ho. There you go. Yeah. Oh, I mean, ho is amazing. Yeah, that's cool. And he's, you know, what's they called me in high school? Yeah, I mean, he's, I've, I actually, when I first started, you know, he was at the clinic that I was working at at the time, and I got to learn underneath him for about six months, and it was amazing to watch him work, you know,

and it was cool, but, you know, we did our first sort of our diplomate, you know, and rehab together when I put that on 10 years ago. And at that point, it's like, yeah, we do some of the same stuff. He's got an amazing clinic. I don't know if he incorporates all of it the same way that I do.

I don't know, but I know he's got a brilliant mind, you know, and it comes to stuff. So that was a suggestion that Ben Greenfield gave when we were hanging out with him. I thought that was pretty smart advice he gave on the. He said, find a chiropractor. It's working with the pro team. Yeah, he says, if you're in whatever city you're in, you know, find out what professional hockey, football, basketball, whatever team is the big team in your area and find out

who is the chiro or PT that is doing the work on the athletes and more than likely he's probably one of the more elite guys in the area. So on that note though, what I think with our profession is a lot of them can only do a little soft tissue work and just adjust. So they're not doing a lot of the exercise because that's why they have a trainer, right? They've got all those pieces already. They have all those pieces already. So if I was to go work with the 49ers, I mean I had one come in over the summer, you

know, and everything that I'm telling them, well, his trainer's always going to tell him the same thing, you know, and so it's, do they have the means of, or do they want to listen to you? Right. What are you giving them that's different? Well, a lot of them is just coming in for the ARTs, the Grastons, the, you know, the soft tissue therapies, those modalities, the adjusts, and then out you go, because their trainer, you know, their coaches are going to be telling them to do something different when they're in the weight room. So I think, yes, they're at that level because they were good at that therapy, but do are

they able to incorporate everything together, right? And give it to them in such a concise way that they're going to get it. Well, that speaks right to how I felt when I met you you was that I was like, dude, he's able to, I feel like communicate all levels of this versus just one specialty. And I remember I was even prodding at you. I was like asking, well, what's your theory on the grass and what's your theory on this? What's your theory on this? And it's like, there's a place for all these tools, but it depends on the individual and

what our goals are and what we're trying to do. And it's just like, I have never had a chiro take me out into a floor and these tools, but it depends on the individual and what our goals are and what we're trying to do. And it's just like, you know, I have never had a chiro take, you know, take me out into a floor and take my shoes off and then say, let's move first before I put hands and adjust them. You know, all of them use that, you know, the frickin wall screening thing and snapshot you and tell you you have a one-on-sters horrible. Yeah, yeah, right?

And then lay on here. You're gonna die, right? And then lay on here. Have you hold on to the Scientology? Yeah. and tell you you have a one-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on-on- for us to try and fight people on, like, stay away from all this bullshit pre workouts that are out there because you feel it. And you feel awesome. I can't debate that. Like, you fucking take it. You've definitely feel it. Like, it may not be the most ideal thing

and there may be better ways to do that, but you feel it. And that's how I feel about adjusting with Cairo. Now, Dr. Brink, a years ago, I worked with a very, very good massage therapist. And something I learned from her, which, you know, before I had met her, I had zero concept of this, was the emotional component behind

that sometimes caused pain, and how stress and how we feel emotionally can literally manifest itself as pain. What's your opinions on that? And how do you address that if that's indeed something you look at? I think breathing is the first one that I look at. Breathing is a huge one, whether it's emotional, psychological, physical, breathing is one

the first one that goes. If you become more of that chest breather, you're not even using your diaphragm how it's supposed to, we already know your deep core isn't going to work. So if your deep core isn't working, you already have a low back issue, whether it's more of that psychosomatic or it is a physical ailment, let's get your deep core to work. So if your deep cores work, you already have a low back issue, whether it's more of that psychosomatic or it is a physical ailment, right? Let's get your deep core to work. Let's see if we can downgrade pain just via breathing. So that's an easy one. If you can calm you, I mean, what do people do if they have more of an emotional issue? They go meditate. Well, what's that supposed to do? Check your breathing, right? If you're

meditating and you're still breathing through your neck, you know, those are all those accessory muscles, are you truly meditating? Yeah, you mentally might be Right. If you're meditating and you're still breathing through your neck, you know, those are all those accessory muscles, are you truly meditating? Yeah, you mentally might be, but physically you're not. It's interesting. It might be one of the reasons why massage helps, one of the reasons I've tried from actually manipulating the soft tissues. And it might even be the reason why muscle

relaxers may work. You know, somebody will have joint pain or all his back pain, they'll take a muscle relaxer. Oh, yeah, I don't have pain anymore. It's back pain. They'll take a muscle relaxer and, oh, yeah. You know, I don't have pain anymore. It's like you're relaxed. Yes, that's what meditation, right? You're supposed to be relaxed, right?

I mean, that's what, sort of for me, sort of a good plug is the brain FM. You know, I mean, you listen to that and you're focused. Well, when you're focused, you're not high strong, right? You're focused and your body is relaxed or you're meditating or you're napping or you are sleeping, right? You know, and so is that, is that goes on through your body and those, those brain waves are now changing what your body physically, you know, is doing. Yeah, you can make huge changes, you know, on an emotional level, you know, and then psychologically is, you know, and I mean, physically, you know, physically as well.

Wow. Have you tried the, um, uh, Wim Hof breathing techniques? Wim Hof was amazing. Yeah. Really. How does that, like, I've been really curious to give that a try, but what's that like? He's very good. He's very good. He's very good. He's very good.

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and just chill out there. And I remember him telling me that, you know, there was a lady like, yelling, I mean, that's child abuse, you know, you're sitting with your kid out there in the ocean. He's like, my kid's never had a warm bath. He has no idea. He doesn't know the difference.

That's crazy. Do they do that? Does he really? Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That's another level. Meanwhile, you know, meanwhile when I had kids, I could not believe they actually had butt wipe warmers. Have you seen those just? Yeah. They actually sell, like, you know, you get your regular butt wipe and you wipe them. Yeah, you heat it. It's your wipes in there. He'd set the butt wipe so it's a warm wipe.

What's soothing? And as I'm looking, I'm like, I'm not gonna raise my kids, you know, pussy. You're gonna need to do a cold and then like, yeah, you're getting real temperature butt wide. It's one issue. It's shocking. And you get that nice cold thing up your ass. I think that's actually a nice cold.

Yeah, I don't know why I said that. I've had a fascinating of even considering doing that to your kid at a young age. Like, that makes so much sense. It goes right back into what I've always talked about too with the food. Like, man, you start loading your kid with this Gerber sugar food right out the gates.

But no, no wonder they're gonna be addicted to it when they get old. You have some twigs and rocks. You have some those twigs and berries. Well, I know some people that actually get all the veggies. And then they pure rate it up and then they store it in like freezers and then they feed them that, feed it like that.

But you know, you think about these things that, you know, when we are kids and all of us have got adapt to or that we feel is necessary now that part of that was something that we trained ourselves to want or need as a young, young kid. So I would love to get into the Wim Hof thing. But man, I'm just scared of death of that. It looks cold as fuck, dude. That's way too cold.

I do cold showers now. That's pretty awesome. But it's not nearly as cold as these guys. Do you do it every day? I do it intermittently right now. No, I do. I haven't had a warm shower since we were over and up in, excuse me, Austin. Oh, yeah. I haven't taken one in months and I just don't. I do the steam and then I go cold shower or if I don't steam, I still go straight cold shower. And it's fucking daunting sometimes, especially when you're tired. I'm going to turn this cold ass fuck around, buzzer.

Wait, you see right up. Well two things, it saves water because you're assing in there very long and it wakes you up and then you feel so good afterwards or I mean that you end up you know you do feel you do feel amazing. I'll just take all the enjoyment out of your shower. I have a little jerk off. I have. Yeah. There's no way you're jerking up in 30 degrees. That's my sanctuary. There's no way. I'll tell you warm up. You're not going to shrunk your turtle. Close me. If so that would

be like the most incredible talent. Sure, get turtle. Yeah, you need to make a YouTube video because it's gonna go viral for sure. I take a lot of tugs to get there. Check your email. Yeah, no. Sorry, it's already in my inbox.

Yeah, it's already in there. So, Dr. Brink, what does your personal routine look like? Do you do cardio, do you do, you do flexibility training, mobility, exercise, okay. Put a ball in front of me training, mobility. I hate to run. Okay. Put a ball in front of me and I'll run. Run to run, it happened.

Yeah, absolutely on that. Yeah, at the office, I do a lot of animal flow stuff, crawling and obviously the maps, right now, that's sort of what I'm on. But in between, I do a lot of just body weight style exercise, you know, kin stretch, the animal flow. Just get my body moving in just different ways when I feel, you know, something's not moving right. I wanna try and challenge it back in that direction again and let's see if I can, you know, write that ship.

I like that you walk the walk. There's far too many practitioners that are just, they just don't, whether they're at a shape or stiff. I've had chiropractors adjust me, who couldn't touch their fucking toes. That's a big one for me. Yeah, everyone that I give stuff in my office and I will tell them, if I give you something,

I make sure I can do it. So you know, I have to do true story, right? So, day before yesterday, I have Stacey and, yeah, a client of mine who I've, anybody who's like really tough, I send over to Brinkley, if I can't get to the bottom, I'm like, you're quite a few people now, right? Yeah, a client of mine who I've who's anybody who's like really tough. I send over to Brink. Like if I can't get to the bottom, you're quite a few people now. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, uh, and Stacy comes in and I always ask her right away. I said, you know, did you see Brink class? You know, because I try and see her after, uh, after he's, uh, she's

seen him. And she's like, yeah, yeah. No, he gave me this, these new moves in bed. And he wants me to start incorporating them. Oh, okay. Let me see. And then, uh, she, she does it. And then I'm, I'm doing, I'm like, Oh, see. And then she does it and then I'm doing it. I'm like, oh, shit, this is, yeah, I need to do this, right? And she goes, yeah, yeah, no, it was so crazy for me to do it. I made him do it because I didn't believe he could do it. And I'm like, you did? Oh, yeah, she's like, let's see, you do this.

And so she said that she made you get down an extra performance. So she got mad because I could do it. Yeah. She cracked me up. I was like, well, that's awesome, but thatdox, I could do it. Yeah. Cracked me up. I was like, well, that's awesome, but that's so her personality to do that. Those like, if this motherfucker's going to make me do this shit, keep it or be all the doing.

So he had to get down and actually prove to her that he could do it. So that's great. Well, excellent, man. It's great having you on again. Thanks. It's also, it's excellent having you on the forum too, by the way. Yeah. People love you on there.

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