Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 456: Incline vs Flat Bench for Building Chest, Living Your Message, Adam's Competition Future & MORE

Episode Date: February 15, 2017

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews Did you get our birthday videos? Oh, man, you guys may be cry, dude Okay, good She didn't send Justin's

You didn't see Justin's? Oh, okay, so Jessica did come on, man I'm mad that she didn't post So Justin, Justin, I can mad that she didn't post so Justin Justin prepare I can't believe you didn't get this. This is fucking great. No, I don't know why let me let me let me tell the listeners What's going on here? So for Sal's birthday? Jessica Surprised him by she sent out a message to family and friends a bunch of us and just hey if you guys get some time

Could you do a short little video and friends, a bunch of us, and just, hey, if you guys get some time, could you do a short little video, wishing Sal, happy birthday? Is that all? This is really cool. So we all did this, right? And Katrina, I know, was help organizing with Jessica, and she handled like Sal. I mean, Hannah Justin and Doug and us on this side of the business, or all of our business business friends.

Well, I got to see him, because of course they're coming through to Katrina. So Katrina's sitting and she's like, oh, do you want to see everybody's videos to Sal? This was like weeks ago before they came in. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, let's oh, let's watch Justin's. I haven't seen it. And so Justin, you see him, he puts his camera up, he gets his guitar, he wrote you a song. No, you didn't. So he wrote, he wrote, he wrote, he wrote, he wrote, Sal, a song. But the best fucking part about it was that he did this whole thing and he didn't turn the volume on

So you all you see is his lips my mics broken. Yeah, so you all you see is I'm talking to the camera He sings you a song. He's all into it and shit and the whole thing is no sound I told Katrina I said you got to have sin that because salad die you should because I thought you did You know what? I thought about like because I can't ask him the over. Can you send another one? I can't. I can't. I can't reproduce it.

That was magic. God dammit. Oh, so I got emotional watching videos, dude. Was it? Yeah, man. I didn't see all of them. I just saw something. Because you know, I got this food poisoning on the day I was on my birthday.

So I'm fucking. Oh, she gave them to you then? Well, my birthday. So I'm sick. I'm like, I'm almost died. And then I'm watching these videos gave him to you then well my birthday. Oh, I'm sick I'm like I'm almost died and then I'm watching these videos and people are saying some very nice things and so yeah like Emotional, that's great. I would have cried if I had see was funny about that because that shit makes me so Uncomfortable I cannot like that's why it was great Yeah, I try like I like I put it in my room like like I really was like you know

Everybody else is doing it. You know, I would never do something like that like I put it in my room like like I really was like you know, I'll fuck dude everybody else is doing it You know, I would never do something like that like you know, you know, you rock it. You wrote me a I'm gonna make it I'm gonna make it a kind of funny, you know Like I was like I was trying to be like kind of ironic about the whole thing was it a ballot? It was a love song. You know you mean it afterwards It was so great Yeah, cuz I remember watching it right and he's getting it all set up at that point We don't know there's no sound.

I'm like, oh shit, he gets this guitar out. Dude, he's sung Salah's song. This is gonna be epic. So Katrina and I are like sitting in bed. We got the phone already. We're like, and then Katrina's like, and you see her as soon as he starts talking, she's like fumbling with the thing like,

oh God, where's this? And then we realized like, oh fuck, she recorded it with no sound the whole time. The other way, you'll ever get that back. So you get me really drunk. Yeah. Oh my God, you'll ever get that back so you can be really drunk. Yeah. Oh my god. I'll play you the song.

I do. I'll do it. You wrote a song too and everything. I did, man. That's right. It's so funny. I would have cried tears, but I had no fluid in my body left over. At that point, it was just dry tears.

I bet. Your tears came out of your ass. I did one of those weird like, nothing's coming out of your face. Yeah, no crying whatsoever. God, it's good to have you back, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a yeah, I'm glad I'm happy. It throws me out of rhythm when we don't,

because it's kind of our routine now, right? I've gotten so used to the last couple of years every morning what we do is we light these goddamn mics up and to take a week off of doing that, I feel like we've just I don't know what to do with myself in the day. It feels incomplete. I found myself recording episodes by myself. I just sit somewhere and just start. You know what happened yesterday? Start talking. I was like dick in balls and I was like, oh no

he's like, dude, I tell you what though, man, you got to travel to countries, like, non-Western countries, just to see how different it is. You know what I'm saying? Like, this, I was not aware of that, you know, gathering flam in a very loud way in public. I didn't know that that was socially acceptable. I don't know that was socially acceptable in China. Used to do that in the restaurant, right? Anywhere.

Anywhere. I'm embaging and fucking old women are doing it. Guys are doing it. They're spitting and I'm just like, why? I can't talk too much shit because I have allergies and I spit more than the average. Yeah, but you don't do that. I'm like clearing, yeah.

No, no, this is like like farm or blood. Open mouth loud. Yeah, that's gross. And I try and I try and, yeah. No, no, this is like, like, like, farm or blow. Open mouth loud. Yeah, that's gross. And I try and, and I try and be courteous to people around me because I know it's gross and so, and I put on like, do you have no idea? When you have allergies, really bad, you get this kind of like, flimmy type.

Would you rather, so I wanna clean that out. She just drips down my face or would you rather me kick this? I wanna know why, why they do that. Is it because they consider flim to be bad and they have to clear it out maybe Doug knows that really the flam has no idea I don't know I'm gonna look this up

like why is that considered gross in Western cultures and totally fine in Eastern cultures it's just a or I don't know I don't know is it Eastern cultures or is it just China well what's the air like there is it more is it that they get more shit are they breathing you know it's shit Beijing China's horrible pollution big city. Well, so maybe that's what it is Beautiful sunset. Maybe they're constantly through the smoke Letterscope of colors. Bring in shit and then they to me. That's what to me. No, I think it allergies It's like I get this flim and it's like I'm not gonna swallow that. I feel like I need to get it out Mm-hmm

And so I spit it out and then I feel better But like I said, I feel like I try to be courteous to everybody around me. Like, it's courteous to swallow at them. I think, I think, I know, I think it's, it's not something recent. I think it's always been it's kind of part of the culture. I think getting rid of flamm is supposed to be healthy or something. So, and here's the other thing, you do see a lot of the surgical mass. It's not annoying at all. No. And you do see a lot of the surgical masks on people. A lot of the... A lot of the fluid things.

Yeah, and you know what? I thought it was a recent thing. I'm like, oh, this must have been because they had the... They've been in there for years. Bro, it goes back a long time. It's actually something that started in Japan. I did actually research this because I'm like, why the fuck are people wearing these masks? Was it because they had the bird flu scare

and was it SARS? SARS, that was the other one, right? Yeah, I think you're right. And no, actually originated in Japan and people would cover their faces because they believed in air. Like air is part of their like health and purifying the air before it comes in

or something was part of them being healthy. This is before germ theory. They did this before they even know, knew that covering yourself and preventing germs from coming in would prevent you from getting ill. Yeah. How crazy is that? I mean, I would get sick of people right in my face,

constantly spinning on me. You know what, it's fucking funny. What the fuck? Oh my god. Oh my god, you just reminded me of a story. You know it's so funny, you can turn it out. So you're gonna get in that talking space where it's too close, like,

puh, puh, puh, puh, puh. I sure, I would totally wear a mask. I had a guy spit in my face one time. I was just thinking, the last time one way, one of the last times I got in a fight, an actual fist fight where I lost control, a dude spit in my face. Well. I was just thinking the last time one way, one of the last times I got in a fight, an actual fist fight where I lost control, a dude spit in my face. I'll never forget this.

That deserves a big one. We were about 20, 23-ish somewhere around there, we're heading down to the pink poodle. Yeah. Shout out, low-quick. Yeah. Shout out to the lowest-class. Strip Club and look at Valley.

Oh. Okay, everybody, put your hands together for bubble gum. She just, she's come back from her senior. BAMBIE! She comes out to disturbed. She passes a little flabby, but stood some for her. She just gave birth to triplets last week. Everybody give her a hand around her at a rattle of applause.

Hey, you got to pay her child support. We're down, I'm down there because I actually know one of the girls at dance is there and we're gonna hang out with her afterwards. So I rolled down there with a couple buddies of mine. We watched the entire night of stripping. And then, so when the place closes down anybody who's hung out with a stripper afterwards, they know it takes a while,

I was gonna get all their shit and count their $1 bills and fucking clean up. And then I put her off. So one of the things she tells me is, if she tells me is she tells me to listen when we leave you can't pick me up from the front of the club. We have to be down like like one block. She's like just one, but just don't pick me up in front of the strip club because then it looks like you're it's like a service, right? Like they she's

like I am paying her to go home with her. And so she's like they can get in big trouble for that So she tells me that ahead of time before even coming to hang out with her. So I know this two o'clock in the morning rolls around and we stroll out of this club and We call the cab and cabs on its way. It's it's two in the morning So it's fucking dead right and there's us and then there's a group of other drunk dudes that are Compiling out at the same time. Well, I have to take my crew and we kind of go down one block after we call them, like the cab said, it'll be here in like 10 minutes,

so we'll just go wait over here. She comes out in that time and we're all just kind of hanging out down the ways. And then here comes the cab and it pulls up right in front of the club. Well, right when it pulls in from the club, this group of drunk dudes fucking pile into it right away. And I'm like, and we'd already been waiting out there for like it's two in the morning

We've been waiting for like 15 minutes or so plus for this cab It finally gets there these dudes go in and I'm certain they jack my cap So I like go riding up the street to go get up to it They're already there. Yeah, and they're all a bunch of drunk dudes climbing in from a strip clothes You can imagine it's fucking the noise and chaos and they're getting inside the the cast and the guy has the front window rolled down and I'm yelling at the cab driver I'm like hey, hey, I just like I think this is my cab it's my cat who you here for and he's like oh I'm here for Adam and then and you know the guy the guy drunk I think oh that's me that's me I'm Adam like that I'm like you mother fucker right and the guys and I'm like no no this I'm Adam this and then the guys like no they think it's all funny right there because they're drunk it's like, I'm Adam, like that. I'm like, you motherfucker, right? And the guys, and I'm like, no, no, this, I'm Adam, this, and then the guys, like, no,

then they think it's all funny, right? They're cause they're drunk. It's like, no, I'm Adam, like they're doing I'm like, you motherfucker right now, to get Adam and I fucking cab. So I'm getting like upset already that these fuckers are gonna steal my cab. The guy, the driver is just like, you know, no,

I'm like, no, no, this is mine. We're going back and forth. And then finally, the guy rolls up the window and the cab goes to take off. And I'm like, I'm pissed. So I go walking back towards our group, well, as I'm walking back towards our group, the cab is flipping around to leave.

And then he stops. And he stops on the other side of the street. And he must be telling them to get out because they couldn't provide an ID that said Adam or whatever. And so then we all start heading over there. I'm like, oh yeah, he's gonna get them to get out because they couldn't provide an ID that said Adam or whatever. And so, then we all start heading over there. I'm like, oh yeah, he's gonna get them out, right? So we're out and over there

and they're all trying to refuse to get out of the cab. Guys, get the front window down and I'm yelling at him to get out of the cab. And as I'm yelling at the cab, he's like, here's my ID showing who I am, homeboy in the front seat, fucking spits in my face. Like, and it's like, you know you know talk about flow state right where everything slow

motion Literally this whole thing was in like see this thing coming at me and I'm like Right on my forehead dude and it was I didn't think or any there was no thinking after that That's fucking what is that that's like hazardous material like that that's like, you can't, that's never happened to me. I've never been spit in my face. That close to, like he's, I'm like only like maybe two feet away from the dude and he's hocks one right on my face. And the natural reaction is just a cockback and boom.

Punch the dude right in the face. He goes flying into the back seat. I hit him so hard. And at that moment, the whole thing gets dead silent. It was, all these guys being loud, talking shit to us, yelling, we're telling you that, dude, spits in my face, I go, boom, hit the duty, falls back into the back two seats behind him,

and the whole van gets quiet. Oh shit. Oh, it was great. And then the guy drives, because he knew there was obviously there was gonna be a bunch of shit happens. He drives forward away from us, kicks them all out, flips back around, comes, picks us up, and then we went home, but it was quite the ordeal.

Jesus, that's an instant fight. Oh, instant fight. Right, I think that does that. I think they call that. There's a few things. There's a few non-physical things that can happen to you that will cause you to get in a fight. That is one of them. The other one is, and this actually happened to me, and actually tussled with somebody.

I love that word, tussled. You tussled, that's the best of it. We got in a tussle. I was eaten at a fast food joint. But he ate in burger and some fucking drunk. I said that to him. Yeah, you want a tussle? We're sitting there eating.

Now you just. Sad love partner. Hey, there's a tussle. You just get her into a tussle? We're sitting there eating. Now you two. Sad love partner. Hey, this is a tussle. You just get her into a tussle. You know what you got coming, son. You know what you got? You just ordered yourself one tussle. I was riding bowls on the day.

I'm riding a tussle. Actually, I want your opinion on this. I'm sitting there eating. I'm eating my burger with my buddy. And I've got my french fries sitting right over there. And junk dudes walk by. Dude just reaches in my fucking french fry basket That's a bad respect. That is something Justin would do in college

100% because I know I would do that. That's some asshole shit, but that's a fight right? Not as bad as scooty No, that's bad. I would depends on the mood here No, no, no, no, put their fucking hands in the front fries. It depends on the mood here. You might laugh at that. You just stole from me. You know what? You might laugh at that.

What dictates what happens after that is when I say something to him and how he handles himself. Exactly. Because you're just being a dick on purpose or if you're just like trying to be funny. Yeah, because that would be funny. I would find that funny. And if I called you out, you better be like,

I'm just man, I'm fucking with you. You all buy the fries or for you, if you kinda like, but if you did, to try and check me and be a punk and then be like, yeah, I'm gonna eat your burger, real soon here too, motherfucker. He's telling you he owns you. No, we got a little,

we got a little, a little tussling match. So did you tussle? Oh yeah, oh, I grabbed that motherfucker, threw him down and then, put on the rodeo shoes. Put your fucking hand on my french fries, yeah. First of all, you took some fries for me, which means you stole.

Number two, you're dirty as hands where my french fries. I'm not touching those anymore. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Put your hands on my fucking french fries. That's just so funny that happened to you. You know why?

And there's a part of you that has to be pissed to you. Like this motherfucker just sized me up. That I'm a guy that he could just eat my fries. Yeah, he's gonna eat my fries. What makes you think you could just eat my fries? Do I look that like do I look that nice? It just was weird and it was just the way I reacted like fucking stole my friend like I wanted to back. Give it back. Who were you? What if it was like a hippie guy that was like, hey man like fries are for everyone. Yeah, like we're just even more even a punch in his face. Fuck man. Justin would so do that.

Justin 100% would do that. Just walk by and take your own. Yes I know his personality. Speaking of which, do that picture of you that you posted on your part people. That picture you posted of you on that your rock album picture. Oh my god. Oh fucking dreamy school. Did you see his face? Which one? Is that one? Oh dude. Yeah they caught me in my my gaze. I had a gaze going. Yeah, that was a thing Yeah, he put the game gaze. It was a very handsome Most recent post on his IG on his personal one. I think it is two people totally. Oh, no, I had seen this Yeah, oh my god look at his great look at his little boyish charm. I was like when I was 20 something Oh, I got you look so innocent right? He does you do look so innocent. He was popping with the ladies There's a handsome fellow look at that back in mind. You had the shit. You had the chin strap

It did yeah, if there's anything I would change it would shave that rat hair shit off. Yeah, a little chin strap Why I kept doing that? But he looks so looks so such a dreamy face Yeah, I loved it I hadn't seen this yet. It's like a formula. Who sent this ticket when you're taking this band? Yeah, when you're taking like band specific pictures, like you do things that you normally wouldn't do, you know, you try to look a certain way.

Like that was totally that. Well, I'm a guy that plays the guitar. I'm kind of feeling this though, bro. I like the chin, the chin, and I like the zip up norcal hoodie, dude. I like that one though. That hoodie is awesome. I like that one, I miss that one. That hoodie is awesome. That's a great hoodie right there. I'd still be wearing it.

You wear that ugly hat too, that was a thing. But look how young his face is. Oh no, he looks like a child. Yeah, he's too. He looks like a man child, right? Yeah, he do. He look like a little angry man child. Oh, that's exactly what it was.

Yeah, let me look at it right now. And he's looking off on the distance. Just, hmm. Yeah, like, he's it right now. Yeah, and he's looking off on the to the distance just hmm. Yeah, like He's like I love that YouTube video the whale I can't grow a prize. I just want to say I miss you and What do you know what he's thinking about in this picture when he's looking off into the distance?

You remember I don't even know well how old are, how old are you? How old are you? I'm probably thinking like, oh my god. How old are you in this picture? Would it be like we got signed? So great. If I look at it, make money. But like the like in the mirror. Actually, that's a real question I have to ask you. When you, if you can remember going back with when you guys were playing, were you playing purely Okay, if you can remember going back, when you guys were playing, were you playing purely out of the passion of playing and singing and doing that,

or did you really have ambitions that you thought you could be famous doing that? I probably was the most ambitious out of the group. Like, I was like the one with the job. Yeah, and stuff like, everybody, we'd have an equipment problem I'd buy the equipment. Yeah, I mean,

because I'm like the only one that's actually working as a bartender and working, you know, all these shifts and all stuff. Meanwhile, like going to band practice. You know, I bought the trailer. You know, like I was like, I was like the guy that supplied it all because I'm like, you know, I'm really passionate about this. Like we should go, like I set up all of our tour dates and stuff. Like I'm like okay We're gonna go this one's gonna give us exposure. We're gonna get X amount of people to come like Yeah, I was the one that was like had at least weird fantasies about like actually doing that for living and And then I realized I was like oh my god. What point did it die? What point did you go like okay? I'm because I remember as I remember a boy I was

Be a basketball star and then realizing okay, no, I'm not you know I'm saying like there's a transition I was It is a horrible realization because when you like we got okay We got pretty good. I just remember listening to it. I was like you know what? I was like listening on to some song and then I was listening to my song after that like some new demo tape We got like oh my guys is fucking awful You know, and I was like that oh my God, this fucking awful.

You know, and I was like, that's it. You know, like, who am I kidding? It's just like, I love it, but at the same time, like, I can't have to do it just for fun. I can't have so much fun doing it. Watch you guys go through that with your kids, because I have to think that has to be one of the most challenging things is to see your kid

do something and realize he sucks at it. Like you suck. Like knowing like, oh, he is not gonna be good at this. I admit it, excuse me. Like, you know, and then how do you handle that as a parent? You know, it's a thing, you know, but it's like, it's not gonna be like a real thing. You just gotta be honest, dude.

Be honest with your kids, man. Just tell them, say, look, you're not good at this, naturally, but you can get a lot better if you were part of it. That's working at it. Hey, dad, you're just really a thing. Keep working. Do you think one day I could be like Mr. Olympia?

No. No. You got my jeans. Sorry, unless you had someone else's jeans. I remember realizing. You know what, Doseon, you're going to be really good at remembering studies though. Yes, this is going to be really. I use this.

You'll be able to talk about nothing for hours. It can be real. You can get away with wearing spills. You should start a podcast. I remember realizing that I wasn't gonna be a massive bodybuilder when here I was lifting weights now for like three years on like 17 years old and I work out with a dude who'd never lifted before and a dude was outlifting me

and I was like, okay. All right. I guess your next play, Huge Roll. So when you first started lifting, you actually had ambitions of like, I don't know any better. Oh wow. But I was a kid, I guess to next play a huge role. So when you first started lifting you actually had ambitions of like I don't know any better Oh, I'm 14. That was a kid. I was really young. I'm about like 13 years old. I knew I knew though I like you started at 20. Yeah, you're right So I know 13 years old. I'm looking at pictures of Arnold

And I'm like this is what I'm gonna look like. Oh, I see that's interesting. I was gonna make that I was more like if I don't fucking get in the gym I'm gonna be forever teased as a grown-ass man for being a skinny little boy Yeah, that was like my motivation Yeah, mine was like I'm never gonna be Arnold But at least I won't be teased anymore for being a skinny ass little boy or looking like a little boy when I'm a fucking man You know, so that that was like the motivator for me. How about the day you realized that you know because when you're younger Do you live for it so like yeah? I'm gonna be buffed so I can be alpha and all the chicks will like me and then the day you realize like

Oh wait, it's the dude that makes all the money Yeah,'s the guy that's the out. That's the guy that's the alpha god damn it Yeah, I can get buffed as I want Mm-hmm, anyway, where the fuck suburb ed here he comes Today's quads being brought to you by Kai Maricopi. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutropics for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused fuzz without the crash. Put the Kai Maricopi at MindPumpMedia.com and input the discount code MindPumpACheckOut for 10% off!

It's the motherfucking qua! The Eagle is landed! Qua... ...meep? It's the motherfucking car! Eagolous Landish! Quee-qua-w. What? Alright, the first question is from John Alva 7. Adam, after learning about all your imbalances, do you have any desire to compete again? And the second part of this was,

at the beginning of Mind Pump, all of you guys seem to be so different, but now you seem to be like one. I think all of our periods are in sync now. I think he's reperson to like the whole mobile. Okay, so here's the full question. Adam, after learning so much about your bodies and balances and disconnects, do you feel that has taken any desire of competing on stage again?

I know in mind, Plum first started, you used to be 100% about the aesthetics and the three of you used to be all very different. Now over the last two and a half years, the three of you seem to have become one. So I think there's a couple things. One, I don't know. I keep getting asked a lot lately about competing. Maybe I know myself. I know that like I what I tend to do is I get really hyper focused on something that I'm currently doing and right now like I'm just on this huge, goal driven. Yeah. And that was a goal of yours.

Yeah, exactly. I feel like that was a major, and it was a big goal. I'll tell you what, it still ranks up there and probably top three moments of my life was going pro in the men's physique division. I mean, that was a big deal for me because that was a goal set out years before. But do you think your mindset would allow you to go back

to doing that again? Because it's such an extreme. Yeah. It is, but I think even when I did it, right? Even though I noticed the imbalances and the way I, because people don't realize it, but a lot of the way I trained was actually Maps Black. I mean, that was a big inspiration to Maps Black.

So I think a lot of people think that I was training like all bro-ish. I used to, I trained very bro-ish way back, win, but already when we were meeting and hanging out and talking, like I was really changing. Your training was still smart. Yeah, yeah. It's not, it wasn't like what I think everyone thinks it was. It was, it was map very similar to maps black. In fact, that's what inspired it. So that wouldn't really change. And I even remember when I was doing like my YouTube videos and like sharing my journey through it, I would tell people that, you know, so far the way I've been dieting, training is very healthy.

It didn't get unhealthy to me until probably the last two weeks or so. And that's just, you can't really get away from that. I mean, that's the sport of it. But it's the whole world, though, you know what I mean? Like, do you feel like going in back into that world of competing that, you know, that you'd be able to tolerate? Because you had issues with it then. Yeah, you come back. I mean, I remember you talk about it and like, God, damn, this this fucking crazy. Yeah, it did drive me a little crazy, but it's also what I think motivated us to do a lot of what we're doing right now So I'm I'm very blessed for that experience

Because I think it gave me a whole new perspective on a world that I was before that very unfamiliar with and now I feel Very familiar with it. Yeah enough, you know that I could speak educated about it And I think that I could still go back and just don't have the same motivation because I don't have any desire to further the my career of competing. That's what I mean. For me, it was like, it was this huge,

I mean, it was a fucking huge goal. Just a compete is a big goal, right? Just to like get on stage and say you took yourself to this elite level of body fat percentage and get on stage, then to get critiqued by judges and tell you that you're incomplete and you have a bunch of other shit you need to work on. And then to work my way all the way to the professional level.

I mean, to me, I already noticed like when I went to the pro, I had to do two pro shows, worst placings I've ever did. So at the pro level, I did 10th and 11th place on my two shows. And I already knew going into the pro shows that I didn't have the same motivation to get ready for the show as I did during the whole pro journey, because I knew that I didn't have this desire to be a body builder or I knew that wasn't for me. You know, I knew this is, I knew I'm not, I'm not in that, that body type to excel at this at the, at the elite level. I wanted to prove, which I love a challenge,

you know, I wanted to prove that, hey, I could do this and be the underdog and not be somebody who's genetically ideal for it. But it's like being somebody who is not a swimmer and then trying to think that I'm gonna get it, I could get in a pool, I could train to swim, but to compete at the highest, highest level against the best of the best. What would it take now?

What would be a scenario where maybe that sounds like something like it's a goal that makes sense for you at this point where we're doing all this. $1 million. $1 million. No, okay. So if I would possibly do it again, I would probably get into classic because then I could write with different. Yeah, because, okay, so if I would possibly do it again I would probably get into classic because then then I could It's different. Yeah, because it's different and now and since I put a lot of emphasis on my legs in the last Couple of years ever since I got immense physique I I really shifted my you know focus sessions and stuff a lot around my legs

So I would like to I would like to show my hard work I would like to be critiqued on my hard work, and then I think that would be motivating for me to try and achieve that. But I'm also already considered a pro even in a classic, so I wouldn't have to go through the amateur level again and do that. I can hop over. Once you're an IFBB pro, you can hop into any category you want, so I wouldn't have to work my way. Right away, I'd be competing against the elite guys in classic, which is okay. That means I'm signing myself up for another journey.

You know what I'm saying? This isn't gonna be one show or two shows. If I'm gonna actually compete and actually do well in that, I'm probably gonna be doing that for a couple of years again. So for me, it would have to be something more along the lines of like mind pump related or like charity driven or like let's say we decided like

Hey, let's go do like a big one like Arnold classic, you know, and let's let's sign out of them up You know, let's talk about it six months in advance. Let's get a fucking huge crew like when we did this San Jose was fucking awesome San Jose was my my last pro show and I'm so glad that's just how I did it was I wanted to do it in my hometown Where I knew I would get a large gathering of just close family friends and locals that know me, and then of course we had other people that were part of the mind pump family that traveled out.

So when I rocked on stage, finished 10th place, I had the loudest crowd, which to me, that was huge for me, because that's what I cared about. At that point, I'm not going to Olympia to beat Jeremy Bundia that's not gonna happen. I'm not gonna be in the top five of the athletes. So, getting out there on stage, doing my best, and then getting to do it in front of a bunch of fans that know me or follow the show.

That was very rewarding for me and fun. If we set it up like that, I could see myself doing it. Otherwise, to me, that was always this thing to show people. It was never about this passion. I really were going to stay there. Yeah, I'm more passionate right now about this mobility stuff that we're doing. Like I've established that I have a ton of dysfunction

going on, I'm trying to correct that. And so, and I'm enjoying the process and I'm enjoying sharing the process. And it feels good on the body. Yeah, it feels, and what it does, it gives me a goal. And then mate, and so here's where the getting back to the original question of competing. Maybe when I feel like I'm over the mobility thing,

like I've become super hyper mobile, I'm fucking very good at it. Now I take those same principles that I've got from that and I try and apply back up to a different peak. Exactly. And then I climb back into competing while trying to maintain my mobility. I might do that just to challenge myself.

Well, maybe it would be a better like new challenge just like me and Justin went and competed in physique. In what? Yeah, physique. No, dude. We're never in a group of fucking years. Justin looked at me like, he's like hell no, I'm a fucking dead. Look at how you're like, why are you bringing he bring this I could never ever ever I give you all the credit in the world because

It just I could not get in the headspace to do to do that and then to top it off Yeah, have you guys seen on Netflix? They have the perfect physique you haven't seen it. Have you seen it? Is that a question? Dude, is that a real question? Can I tell you something now? It is the most- I was embarrassed. Dude, it's the most painful thing I've ever seen in my entire- It's so painful to watch.

It's very, very painful to watch. You're really embarrassed for somebody. Oh, it's so painful. It's so stomach. You know, Craig was originally supposed to be a part of that. See, Craig would have made it not painful. He's so glad he turned it down. Oh. He was so glad he turned it down. Oh.

He was so glad he turned it down because the way they cut, the way they cut it and they edited it and how they geared it, they totally went after the sex appeal a part of it of like all these great bodies making their, I mean, if you're a chick, but a lot of them feel a chick and you watch it, you probably enjoyed it. I don't know.

I'm taking a shirt off so cool. I don't know, dude, because a lot of the guys, it goes right up there, it ranks right up there with 50 shades of gray. Yeah, and a lot of the, it's where it went. And they don't come, last, a lot of them don't come dude because a lot of the goes right out there it ranks right out there with 50 shades of gray Yeah, and a lot of it is where it's right there. It's right last a lot of them don't come across very intelligent And it just comes across as like you know like well that's like our eyebrows like crazy and everything looks perfect and you know They're talking about nutrition half the shit. They're saying I'm like no that's wrong. No. No. What are you fucking talking about? This is like it's very very hard to watch I

What are you fucking talking about? This is like, it's very, very hard to watch. I implore you, they're about to get a bunch of views. I implore you if you wanna watch and see some of this world a little bit. Yeah, and what Adam had to understand the pain. Yeah, understand the pain. Watch it and try to watch the whole thing. I would probably kill somebody.

The crazy part is still in the fight. Those are the elite guys. These are the guys that all the other guys are all looking up to. And that's the part that was painful for me. It's like, because to each the row, and everyone's gonna spew their own bull shit or what do I do with that?

Who am I to judge and say that? These guys aren't going through a learning curve and process and yada, yada, yada. So I'm not one to be like that. But I did, it was, I cringed watching it because I think, wow, now we just have, now we put a movie together, you know, and we're promoting these guys, giving bad information out.

And you have all these people that are aspiring to be like these guys. And I'm like, fuck, dude, like this is everything that we're working against. Is it? It's so pretty. Oh, God, dude, that was bad, dude. Well, and I feel like the one guy that, I mean, the one guy that's, I mean, Greg, Plitt, the late, you know, Plitt, that dude was, I mean, that dude was a, he's a fucking champion. That guy's an amazing, I mean, we won't that's, I mean, Greg Plitt, the late, you know, Plitt, that dude was, I mean, that dude was a, he's a fucking champion.

That guy's an amazing. Well, I mean, we won't get into all his issues too, but I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, he was a, yeah, he's a pioneer. He's a pioneer in what he, what he did. And I got nothing bad. Very smart guy graduated. What do you, what do you graduate? Military school.

No, but like the top. What's that top one that you go to? Yeah, then in anapolis or was it a point. Yes, West Point grad. He was like a D1 wrestler. I mean, smart dude, but the rest of them come across. And I don't know if it's the editing or just that's them. It just it doesn't come across good at all. Sure. It's a lot of both. It's very painful to watch. Yeah, no, it was it was tough to watch. So yeah, I think you know what though, you're talking about this and this question. Justin is probably the worst out of the three of us as far as coming out of his camp in world.

I don't know how we have doing this. Yeah, and you were pretty bad too, but I feel like you have come. Like, and I think we're, now we're closest to, I mean, what if, if you could, We haven't congealed.

Well, I did do that, that challenge. Oh, you did do that. Yeah, you did do that. I made a point to do that. I just didn't like it that much where you I never talked about it again You don't see fucking Thursday transformation pink You know, it's like coming up again Flashback give a fuck. Yeah, you know, this is actually a surprise you bring it up right now No, we haven't congealed as one to say that we're one.

I think that's inaccurate. We still have. We'll see now see. Here's the thing though. Like you saying that it breeds a challenge inside of me. I know it does. That's why I did it. I know you fucker.

The people have to know that about me. Have you challenged me or that? Like I look at everything as like sport. I want to see Justin with striated glutes. I know you do. straight-up glutes. I know you do. White and bright glutes. It's, you know, we are, see here's a thing. It says we're like one, here's a thing.

Where are we? Where are we, where are we open-minded? We're very open-minded. We're still very different. Yeah, how are we open-minded? We all seem different. We all work out and change our different. But we're open, like, if, you know,

Justin comes with something and talks about some new training methodology or technique, me and Adam are gonna try it. We're gonna start playing with it. If I'm talking about something on nutrition or whatever, they're gonna maybe listen and maybe try it out themselves or if Adam's doing something. I mean, the thing is that we're all very open

and when we first started Mind Pump, we just all hadn't worked together up until that. We hadn't worked together at that point, so we hadn't shared all these ideas with each other. Now that we have, there's a lot of things that we've adopted that just make fucking sense. One of the things about fitness, that I hate about fitness is it becomes very tribal. It becomes very closed off. It's my camp versus your camp,

and I use kettlebells and use barbells, and I'm a bodybuilder and you're a powerlifter, and I eat this way and you eat that way. It's becomes very religious, which is very unfortunate because there's so much to learn. You stretch so you're hippie. It's stupid because there's so much to learn from all these different ways of training the body,

all these different ways of moving. There's so much good information you can take learn from all these different ways of training the body, all these different ways of moving. There's so much good information you can take from different ways of eating. There's so much I've learned from vegans and there's so much I've learned from Keto and there's a lot of, I've learned from Paleo and other types of diet.

There's lots of things I've learned from bodybuilders and kettlebell experts. And you can take so much from those things, but you gotta have an open mind. And if you get stuck in the whole tribalism mentality, where it's my religion versus your religion, you, I swear to God, you're cutting yourself so fucking short. I don't care if your goal is just to be a bodybuilder.

If you just wanna be a bodybuilder, there's gonna, there's something you can take from people who do yoga. There's something you can take from people who do kettlebells, you know, you can learn a little bit from all these people and it's gonna make you a better bodybuilder, it's gonna make you a better whatever your passion is, but you have to have an open mind

and that's all that's happened is that we're all very open-minded. I'd venture to say that nutrition and fitness is arguably the number three, right? There you have one is religion, two is politics, three is probably nutrition- Yes, far as wake, what? As far as, two is politics. Three is probably nutrition. As far as, like, what? As far as being dogmatic and like the area. You'll piss people off. Yeah, the areas. I am not to bring up over dinner.

I am. Oh, your, your, your, oh, your, oh, your, this guy, like right away, this, this stigma comes with that, you know, and we've done that to ourselves by putting ourselves in these boxes, which we talk about. And we originally, we wanted And originally we wanted to portray, we wanted to basically exaggerate that, right? Like in the beginning it's like, oh Adam, you're the physique bodybuilder guy. We did.

You know, like you saw, you know, you're, you're, you know, very like wellness-minded shredded guy, whatever, you know, like, Justin, you're the sports guy. I'm the sports guy, you know, like, like, I live breathe each, even though I don't even watch sports anymore. I wish I did, you know. It's like,, even though I don't even watch sports anymore. I wish I did.

You know, it's like, it's true we had to do that, right? We kind of had to, we kind of had to do, I mean, we plan to what people expect. Yeah. I won't even think about how we created the program. So when we created the programs, we kind of still did it around that because we knew that's how we had to get everyone's attention was, you know,

here's your, you know, strength and a ball like and a ball like oh here's your mobility performance sports person Oh, here's the guy that wants to look good, you know When in reality what we preached everyone is like ideally you need to go through all of it and really what's better than all of them It's maps prime You know the one that takes the cake on all of them is the one that really sets you up for all the rest of the programs And I don't care who you are, what your goals are, all of them have huge value in you going through. So that was a real message,

but we knew we had to kind of sell it in a different way because when we first started, and you only had five people listening to us, you know, it's like, you gotta give them kind of what everybody wants. And now we're coming back pedaling and kind of going like, okay, listen here. I'll use myself as an example.

We were just talking about physique and me and Justin loved to make fun of that presentation competing world jokingly, right? We joke about it, but here's the reality. There's a lot you can learn from people who present their body on stage. I don't know anybody who knows how to manipulate minor details with diet and water intake and sodium

and how to eat what time to look a particular way minor details with diet and water intake and sodium and how to eat what time to look a particular way at a fucking particular time. Like that is a very specific skill that you can learn things from that and apply it towards your regular nutrition and your regular training. And it's easy for you to make fun of. Well, dude, if you got a movie role right now

that was gonna make you like $5 million and for you to make fun of. Well, dude, if you got a movie role right now, that was gonna make you like five million dollars and you had to look your best. Dude, you know what I mean? Bro, what a science. You can't fucking just make it up. One of my favorite coaching clients, a guy that used to hire me before he'd go to Vegas. There you go, I'm just gonna say.

Before he would do that. And it was so great. He would tell me, he's like, hey, we got two, three months until I got this show. Like, you know, this is what he tell me, what he's currently doing, how he's training, so great. He would, he would tell me, he's like, hey, we got two, three months until I got this show. Like, you know, this is what he tell me what he's currently doing, how he's training and like that. And then we put together a plan for him. And I'd sit at literally peak him full time for the pool for Vegas.

And I loved it because he would send me all these photos of all these badass chicks hanging all over him and stuff like that. And it was like, this is great. And he looked fucking awesome, you know, but. And now he, I don't coach him anymore. I think we did it like two or three times together, and then now he's got it. And I see, I still see him pop up on my feed party

and go in and places, you know, he looks fucking amazing. And I know he's taking that, what I've given him and he's applied that to just, he's not a competitor, you know. But he's a dude that wants to look fucking. No, it's not a little good when it means. Yeah, right, dude. You know, you know what I'm saying?

So he's doing. It's like a video game, like, you got the little character and you got to beat these different bosses. And oh, I'm at the fucking Sumo wrestler boss and then I have to learn his technique. And now I'm at the kickboxer, and now I'm at the kung fu guy. And at the end of it, like, the way you win the game

is you become good at all those different modalities, right? And you become a badass, like, that's what you're in for. Well, we're all trying to be the master of all. That's what this is, the fitness, the, like, that whole, like, subject. Yeah, and that's what you're all trying to be the master of all. That's which is the fitness, like that whole like subject. Yeah, and that's what you have to do with fitness. Like if you're a, you know, if you're a power lifter and you look at yoga, you know, hippies and you laugh, you're an idiot because there's something you can take from that that's going to make you a better power lifter.

They've mastered the art of, you know, range of motion and flexibility and control and that flex, but don't you think that that's going to, there's something you can learn from that. If you just take your wall down and become a little bit more open-minded. And so that's all that we are. So we're just, I look at it just like the evolution of MMA.

Those of you that have been watching UFC, since UFC won, think of it like this, think of it like working out your goals are like becoming the most ultimate fighter, right? Becoming the ultimate fighter in the world is your goal. And even if it's not your real goal, the thing of your fitness goal is like that.

And that UFC, when it first started, it was like a boxer versus a Jitsu guy versus a karate guy versus a Greg, Greg, Roman guy. And then it was a judo guy versus, you know, whatever, right? And these guys would just like get their asses kicked and then you watch the evolution sport. Now, the best of the best back when it first started would get their asses whooped by anybody in the U.S. because they are so well versed in all the arts.

And now they have become a true ultimate fighter. Right? And so it's funny, it wasn't even that long ago in MMA, maybe like five years ago where they used to say like, oh, spinning heel kicks are wasted time. They're flashy. They'll never work in a real fight. But because they progressed so much in MMA

and how they had to keep getting better at everything. Now it's like an unpredictable helmet you could throw. Now you see guys hitting them, you know, spinning heel kick. And now you see people hitting moves that before people said we're a waste of time. Like that's kind of the way you should approach fitness and even if you're specialized in one area, you'll be better at it if you're just up in mind.

Like people don't know, you know, you listen to the show and a lot of times we agree with each other, but a lot of times when the mics are off, we argue. We're fighting over details on certain programs and different things in nutrition and we're having these massive debates, but because we're so open-minded, it's okay.

Like nobody gets their feelings hurt. It's okay if, you know, sometimes Adam's right, or sometimes Justin's right, and I'm wrong. Yeah. That's good because if I was wrong, that you're gonna say, because I'm always right. Yeah, because I'm always right. That's a good way to say it.

It never happened before, but hypothetically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If we're having a conversation, it's just I didn't contribute, but I had that vibe before. Well, you gotta think about it this way. If I'm set in a belief, but I'm open to other You know opinions other points of view and at the end of a conversation I've just discovered that whatever I was set in my belief for my understanding that I was set in is wrong

I can look at it like oh my god. That's horrible. I never want to do that again I don't I like my ego to be you know protected or I can look at it like oh my god, that's horrible. I never want to do that again. I don't, I like my ego to be protected. Or I can look at it and be like, oh my god, this is so awesome. I was doing things wrong before. And I just learned something, fuck, I'm better now. Like that's what's so great about it. So will we eventually congeal into one, you know.

I see it happening. Who knows? I mean, if we're so open-minded, that might just happen, but I guarantee there's gonna be outside inflow people who are gonna come in all the time. Like we just brought Mike Selemi on board. We've had, you know, we've talked to some other people with nutrition that, you know,

we've interviewed on the shot and know if they're at episodes or area, but, you know, we learn from these people because they're bringing new information that even sometimes counters what we thought to be true. So, I would say that's the best thing you could do in fitness, keep an open mind, listen to people take a little bit

from everybody, apply it to yourself. That was a long answer. I know. I just realized we were on the same question. That was the first one. That's the first question. Next up forever. KMOTO's one.

Can you discuss how important it is to live your message as a fitness professional? It just kind of goes into what we're just talking about. Extremely important, you know? Don're just talking about. Extremely important, don't be super fat. Extremely important. If you, so I wanna make sure I'm clear here, I don't think it's extremely important to look super ripped or super fit

as a fitness professional. It may be for business-wise, people like to, they look at you and they immediately will judge you. But if you you're you know you lost a hundred pounds and you don't look perfect But man you've done that journey and you've learned along the way you've got a lot of value There's gonna be a lot of people who you can connect with So that's that's very important But living your message I think is important for anybody, you know if you're a doctor if you're a dentist if you you know sell a product,

just from an integrity standpoint. If you're selling a product that you don't use, or you're a chef at a restaurant, but you won't eat the food there, you sell cars that you think are shitty, I think that's just lack of integrity. And fitness and nutrition are such, I mean, they're such passions, they're such a way of life, they end up becoming a way of life, and you have to be careful that we just talked mean, there's such passions, there's such a way of life,

they end up becoming a way of life, and you have to be careful that, we just talked about it becoming a religion, you have to be careful that it doesn't become a religion, but in many ways, it is a way of life, and if you don't live it, I think your message, you're not gonna be as effective with your message. I mean, I learn a lot through working with other people,

but I learn a lot through working with myself too, but I learn a lot through working with myself too. You know what I mean? From the inside, when I... I think people just like, instinctually can read if somebody's authentic or not. You know? And like you said, the integrity piece is, I mean, that's everything and anything you do.

So if, you know, if you're whatever, if you're just like making sandwiches or, you know, if you're you're doing shady shit on top of that, like, I don't know, it's just, it bleeds into everything and how you operate doing everything at that point. It sort of defines you. I think that you have, I think you sound said it really well with, you got to separate what we're talking about here because if we're talking about it from a business point, like you're going to have a really hard time building your business if you don't look your brand. If you, because unfortunately, we're in a superficial business.

No matter how we turn it up, we're just talking about it and tell people that this isn't what it is or it shouldn't be this way, it is that way, right? It is people are visual creatures and we're in a business where we're talking about being fit. And if we don't look super fit, then people are going to judge you. And you're automatically telling yourself that it's going to be that much harder for you to build your business. So think of it like that.

So if you're a trainer who's coming in, you could be the smartest trainer, the most knowledgeable trainer, but you have to know whether you like it or not, that those that are buying from you are judging you. They do. It's a fact. It's a fact. Now, if you have an unbelievable amount of knowledge

in your field and you change lives better than the guy next to you who's a dumb dumb but looks amazing and ripped, you can potentially get by and I've had trainers work for me. Well you're more of a coach at that point. I feel like there's a way you can do that to express your knowledge and translate that without you being the example, right? It's your philosophy. Well you just said it perfect

A coach is a great example that because how many baseball coaches look like they couldn't swing about I'll still listen to my fat-ass coach You know, he's he's telling me to do things at like a ridiculous level But it's like I respect the guy because you know, maybe back when he got a knee injury or a he's like fuck You know you let himself go whatever, but I know the knowledge is there. I can look past that. I just think you don't have to look like a competitor. You don't have to look like a model. I want to be clear, that's not what we're saying.

That's not what I'm saying at least. But you should look healthy. There's definitely a difference between. It's a good distinction. Yeah, because if you're a trainer or you're a fitness professional and you look unhealthy, that is gonna hurt you tremendously. You don't have to be shredded,

you don't have to look crazy, you just gotta look kinda fit and healthy and then people will listen to you. But if you look really unhealthy, a lot of people are not gonna get past that. They won't wanna hear what you have to say. Well, the same way, I mean, I can't remember whose page this is.

He, it's a he was a he or she does anyway. Well, just your, your significant other, right? So if you're a guy, your girl, when you first talk to her, I guarantee that you, before you approached her, you thought she was good looking and you probably wouldn't approach her and talk to her had you not thought she was good looking. Didn't matter if she was the most amazing person inside and connected so well with you, you needed to be physically attracted. We all have to admit that.

Yeah, you, that's just the natural human instinct. And so, but I don't think a trainer has to live the brand at all to be a badass trainer, because like Justin said, you could, I mean, look at your, most your best body building coaches. So, you know, all the best of the best in the world, they're, most of the coaches look sloppy, but it doesn't mean they don't know how to put together a program and a diet really well to get somebody stage ready. Or like Justin said, gets you out there

on the football field. How many coaches look terrible at ships? You could still be a great coach, a great mentor. But if you're a trainer who's trying to build your business, don't be fooled into thinking that you, the more you look, the brand, the more you are fit, just the easier time you're going to have. Now, if you spend all your time, like I've had this business, I've had this trainer work for me, you spend all your time looking amazing, but you don't know you're left from your right or how to help somebody, and then they people hire you. Now you have a short business.

Now, a lot, you get people to buy a little bit of training from you and that's all they ever buy from you because they realize real quick ever they purchase it. You didn't have much to offer them. So, you know, they both have their given take, but if you're a trainer and you're in, which this person is, I saw that they had said that they're in the fitness industry, you know, it's not your concern about other trainers

them living the brand and who cares about their business. If this is about you, I'll tell you right now, the better you look, the more fit you are. More business you'll get into. Yeah, eventually, and then you can, yeah, you'll keep them long-term with your knowledge. Yeah, and then the other thing too, in terms of living your message,

I'll tell you what, I could preach and talk about, you know, a way to eat, or, you know, I could talk about the benefits of mobility and flexibility, but I won't have the same passion and understanding until I do it myself. It's just a fucking matter of fact. It's just this, period. For example, I understood from a technical standpoint, why kettlebells have particular benefit, why they're different than dumbbells and barbells, why it's a good idea to incorporate them into your routine,

but I didn't truly understand and know it, because there's a difference between knowing it and kind of understanding it, right? Yeah. I didn't know it until I started really using them, until I started working with Justin here, started using them, and now I get it, I really get it. And so the passion that I talk about them in, and the way I can explain them, it comes from a different place,

and it makes me much more of an effective fitness professional. So as a fitness professional, fitness health professional, if you have a particular, if you're working in a, in a particular narrow aspect of your field, you know, you just work with bodybuilders, you just work with, you know, you know, runners or whatever that's fine. But for most of you, you're not going to be successful. Most of you are going to work in a general area, but you're going to work with average people.

And some of them are going to require more work on strength. Some of them are going to require more correctional work. Some of them are going to require, you know, more weight loss work. And you're, you're going to do a lot better if you understand those things with your own body as well. You need to know how to do it with other people, but kind of know how it felt to go through it yourself. I'm not saying that because I learn it for myself,

I know how to train out of the people, because that's not true. But I know what it feels like to go through it, and it helps me communicate it, and it's more effective. Yeah, it's just another level of knowing that particular thing. So living your brand and living your message, I think, is an important part of being a fitness professional from all the areas we talked about, from integrity to being able to communicate

what you're doing to looking the part. Zach K.P. What is better for building chest, flat or inclined bench? That's a, it's like an age-old lotion. Loaded question. You know what though? The reason why I wanted to put it up there is I felt like it's been a while since we've talked about some basic movements

in things that we sometimes overlook and we get into some of these deep talks that some people don't, they want wanna know some of the most basic, which let's be honest, what is probably one of the most number one questions that I've been asked on the floor from somebody is what exercise is best for my demise? What's my best of that? Right, it's always like, tell me that. Pen is what you're working with, right?

Tell me, assess you. What's the best exercise for chess or what's the best exercise for bicep? I think it's a good topic that we can get into. Yeah, this is going to be one of those. It depends. Do you know? It depends on the person.

But I'll say this, if you're a beginner, if you're a total beginner and you're getting into resistance training and you want to build good, just overall strength and you had to pick, which is stupid. I don't think you have to pick. You should be able to do both. But let's just say in a weird world where if you pick one or the other and you're already doing overhead presses, I would say the flat bench press is probably more of an overall strength builder because you ground more with your feet. It's a horizontal press. You still get the vertical press with the overhead press. If I had to pick, I would say flat.

But which one's going to build a more aesthetic balance chest? I mean, geez, you could get pretty imbalance with a flat bench if that's all you do. Well, I would see it because flat bench, I would think, more technique is involved. Plus, the incline allows you for a little more range of motion because I know that that may be the biggest limiting factor for somebody to really activate their chest is the fact that they can't even retract properly. So that actually helps to kind of enhance that process. We actually did a YouTube video and we talked about this. So if you are not subscribed to the Mind Pump channel on YouTube, this is the type of stuff

that we try and, I think we just did incline chest and we all went across and talked about something. Yeah, I mean, I really like the incline chest press, barbell press, because what it does is the angle that the barbell is at, it helps retract and depress my shoulders, which is really important when you're trying to work the chest and not allow all these secondary muscles to kick in. So in the flat position, I find that clients and people tend to cheat more and their mechanics are worse.

On an incline, I feel like I can get people to understand that retraction and depression. Because they have gravity on their side. Because of the angle, that angle is a perfect angle for retraction and depression. So it just naturally happens kind of when they lift the bar over them. So I like it for teaching purposes. And most people tend to stay away from incline bench press

because they are stronger and flat. And so almost anybody I've ever taken on, I've asked him like, okay, if I had to say this last year, you bench press to total of a hundred times. How many times would you say was flat and how many times would that was incline? Most of them will be like, oh, flat, you know,

because most people tend to go the direction where they're stronger. And most people are gonna be able to get up a lot more way, well, not a lot, so it depends on the person. But, you know, for me, it was this way. I was significantly stronger on flat until I started really inclining. Now my incline and flat are really close.

There's not much of a difference. You know, for some reason, at some point in the resistance training world, the bench press became like the measure of strength. And I don't know why the fuck that happened. It's not an exercise that is a good measure of your total strength. It's not a great example. No, it's not. But for whatever reason.

It's the least of the big four. Yeah. If for whatever reason, people, you know, if you, you hey you work out. Yeah, I do well. What's your bench and that became the the measure of how strong are you more like a Backloaded squatter deadlift a deadlift or overhead or overhead over headpress if you want to do a press if you want to You want to you just talk about upper body? Yeah a functional upper body movement. An overhead press is going to translate to pretty much any sport better than a bench press. Or a functional. Yeah, I would say the bench press is probably, here's why I don't like this question because the bench press is easily the most overused exercise in resistance training.

It's literally the most overused exercise, close to curve. Was it Arnold that made him so popular? Who made him so popular? Yeah, I don't know how Let's not let's not completely discredit the bench I just want to make sure cuz I we all agree that it is overused but there is still it has a lot of merit Right because you can load a you can load a flat barbell bench press with a lot more weight than almost any other those moves So you're gonna get some right if I can only overhead press, you know, 185,

maybe close to 200 pounds overhead, but I could bench press, you know, well into 300. So I'm moving a lot more load, so potentially more muscle should be built from doing a flat bench press. Now the problem, like you guys are saying, is that because of that, it becomes this staple, everybody does it, every single workout or every chest workout

is centered around the flat bench, which I know I was like this. And you won't find, I tell you, you find any guy who's been lifting weights for like a year, none of them will stay, they don't bench press. Everybody bench presses, you know what I'm saying? But a lot don't squat deadlift for a week. A lot of them don't squat, a lot of them don't deadlift,

a lot of them don't do proper overhead pressing, A lot of them don't squat. A lot of them don't deadlift. A lot of them don't do proper overhead pressing. A lot of them don't do proper rowing. It's just the bench press is like it's with this overused. There's too much emphasis placed on the bench press for being this. Well, and now why that takes huge problem is that we know that well over 60, 80% of the population has is rounded for. Yeah, it's reinforcing. It's already problematic posture. And that is why has is rounded for. Yeah, it's reinforcing already problematic posture.

And that is why it is so bad. And it's so bad because all it's really doing is making these issues that almost everybody has, almost everybody has at least some sort of upper cross syndrome, right? Either they're suffering from forehead head or they're protracted shoulder girdle, one of the other, and it's how excessive as it is really the difference,

because we don't ever fucking do anything behind us. Everything we do is in front of us, so we are just every, every, pretty good out here. We're rounding the body forward, so then we go to do this bench press and we just contract and shorten it even more with more load, and we're just training the body

to come forward even more. This is also why these guys, guys, angrioles don't overhead press, guys, anguars don't overhead press don't deadlift don't squat is because they've now shaped their body so out of the neutral or the ideal anatomical position for you to be squatting or deadlifting, then they go to squat or deadlift and it's fucking painful. It's awful. That's what the Smith machine rocks. Right. And it's an extra, it's an exercise. They feel like they can't perform or they have pain while they do it.

So they avoid it. When in reality, that should be their huge flag that tells them like, dude, you guys gotta fix this. I would say this right here, if you're for chest, you should incorporate some kind of horizontal pressing, like a bench press, some kind of an incline press, and you should dip, and you're pretty much covered on the presses in that particular,

and then of course your overhead presses. And now you've got pretty good, broad spectrum, pressing type strength. Dips is another one, I would, God, I would say dips, with resistance, and good form, nice range of motion dips, that's way up there, too, It's a very functional pressing movement. Yeah. So, I don't know, which one's better?

It depends. That's such an impossible question. I think the easy one that I think we're all... Which are all you're not doing. Yes, I think the one, the answer that we could all agree on is whatever one you do the least of, it's gonna give you the most benefit for growth and aesthetics, right? Lucky Irvine, if each of you had teenage daughters,

how would you feel about younger versions of your co-hosts dating them? I think my dick just wins. I'm a bye. Oh, no. Dang. I'm scared. Well, I can just write. I have this sucks. So among the three of us, this is a real question for you among the three of us. This is the true. This is the word for me. It's like this hits home. Yeah, my balls right now are hurt, they hurt.

That's how I feel like I got to get to that. Because I have a little girl and she's adorable. She's gonna be a very, very pretty girl. She's very smart, she's your world. And she's my world and she's totally got me wrapped around her finger. And if she takes world and she's totally got me wrapped around her finger. And if she takes after me, I'm a fucking big trouble. And so I don't even want a picture of her dating.

But at the flip side, I'll say this. Look, I know logically, like I want both my kids, my son and my daughter, but we'll talk about girls here, we're man and so there's that whole stereotype of us being more protective. I want her to be super confident in herself and really confident with her body and also confident enough to say no to a guy

if he wants to do things with her or whatever if she doesn't want to, but at the same time feel confident that if she wants to, she does because it's for her. You know what I'm saying? And I hate saying that because I want to be like, no, you're never gonna have sex until you're married or 45 or whichever comes first.

But the reality is, you want a very confident daughter who cares about herself, who doesn't do things she doesn't want to, and if she wants to do something, she does it because she wants to know, because a boy pressured her, because she feels like she has to make the guy like her. So that being said,

never in a million years will I let her date, either one of you. I was gonna say, I was gonna say, it's got way too real for me to answer this question. Never in a million years, yeah, what I let her do. Well, I think this is why I don't have children. This is why I've never one reason.

I'm 35 years old and I'm still scared to death to have a child because they might actually find a me. And that's what I, I suppose, and if I have a daughter, I've always to joke with Katrina. I said, you know, if you have a girl, I'm going to give it back just so you know, because I have, I don't know how I would handle having a daughter and a teenage boy like me her dating or meeting me so that would just freak me to fuck out and I feel like whether you believe in God or the universe or how I don't give a shit what your evolution creation totally I believe I do believe this I believe some weird way this universe or God fucking

pays you back for that shit. And I'm like, my bet, one of my good buddies, Jason, he's got three fucking daughters, dude. And it was like, if there was a buddy of mine that was with the, with the promiscuous with all the women, was like him. And I think like, I look at these three beautiful little girls that he ended up having back to back. And I go like, this poor, and they're not there yet. Like, they're not to that 15 to or whatever girl 13 to 16 range yet and it's coming and I look and I I could just see like he's probably gonna age like 20 years in those three years I can see and I know he knows it's coming you know because he was that guy. He's like me

He's liked it a lot of us and I tell you what man if I if if you guys had look girls and they dated a guy like me when I would they would love me 100% 100% yeah you had turned it on like Oh I would have locked it. I don't know. I love golf. I just did it yesterday. I would have shook it. Hey how you doing so nice to meet you. Oh you're a bullshored. Yeah bro. Here let me take you upstairs. I'm gonna show you my winchester. Yeah. The naive me or the younger me and not have ever met you might be fooled by that but the older why exactly that's what you like like I know this game so yeah yeah come here a little motherfucker let me tell you let me tell you let me tell you it's gonna be I know how this works yeah oh my god yeah I would be like I know like Justin said I'd keep it real simple let me show you my winchester that's it man that's like a 12-page pump action here this is no I have no idea because like that's I mean I got two boys so I I was thinking about that because I thought for sure the second I'll give you a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of I just have the hardest time watching, like, you know, girly flex and, like, girly things.

Like, color pink and, like, I would, like, I was like going mental, like, thinking about that guy stuff, because I'm so like, oil and water with it. It's just, it's not a mesh with me at all. Have you thought about having more kids? No way, dude. No, no, no.

No, no, no. You know what? No, damn it, because you, both you mother fuckers, what's soft, you guys would would melt it would change me for sure That's why I know I you know I went on my trip I came back and my kids ran and hugged me and just you fucking my little girl She you know I told you guys what happened right so every year her school the school does a father daughter dance They do this father daughter dance and me and her go every year and I make a big fucking deal about it because you've talked about it before where you do the whole limo and you get her off. I show up, I give her a corsage, I take her out to dinner because I'm trying to really

say, I want her to know what it's like to be with a good man, you know, and she's my girl, you know, my little girl. And I missed it this year because I had booked my trip way a long time ago and then they had just, they booked the father, the father-daughter dance right in the middle of my trip. So I couldn't go, she was devastated. I'm like so angry, like, ah, and then of course, she's smart and she's crying. She's like, oh, I want you to come to the dance and I'm so sorry, honey, whatever, you know,

we'll make it up to you and she's like, take me to Disneyland, just me and you. So now I'm going to Disneyland with just sold. Yeah, sold, dude, because you're just fucking melt. Like, she could have said, she could have said anything. She'd be like, Paris, do you know that I feel on, you guys have both had parenting moments that you've talked about. That was a long time ago when you brought that up on the show

that I feel like are just gold gyms for those fathers out there with daughters that because every father's fear is that time I feel like when the girl gets to the age where dating is becoming a reality and she's going through that, she's now becoming a woman, you know, and that fear of like, oh my God, I want my daughter to be this like high standards. Like, you're, I think the number one job, I can't remember what comedian said, like the number one job as a father is to keep your daughter off the pole. I mean, that's like, you're just rock.

I mean, yeah, that was your number one job is to keep her off the pole. So you're, you just wanted to have Yeah, your number one job is to keep her off the pole. So you just wanted to have these super high standards and I don't think anything could be possibly better than that than taking her through the process of what would it, what would a date look like with a boy, the first boy that takes my daughter in a day? You got a lot of it. I am going to set the standard so fucking high

that the first 90 guys to do this are going to fail. Pick her up on the door. Yeah, no, it's such a smart strategy when you think about it. And while you're doing it, I'm sure I know you too. I know you're like subtly coaching her too. It's like, here you go, honey, here's your flowers. Let's get in the limo.

This is what a man should do. Open the door. I know a good man opened list, pulls your chair out, sweetheart. See how I do that for daddy loves you. You know, your coaching coaching along the way. So it's like, and he's planning these little seeds in her head like, oh, this is what a good man does. My dad's a good man. No, no have to be this guy that makes all this money.

He has all these stipulations behind it. I just want her to be very confident to know what she wants. I don't care what she wants. I want it to come from her. You said I'm saying, I don't want what you don't want. And by the way, we're talking about little girls right now, but boys get their heart broken just as hard as girls. I know we don't, we tend to think of our boys,

like yeah, I don't care. My boys in a day or whatever. I got my fucking heart crushed when I was a kid. I know you guys did. You don't want to see either one of your kids come home crying because you know, a boy or a girl broke their heart. And let me tell you something, as, you know, shitty as boys can be and we know what boys want and we know what's in their mind. Like girls are fucking very sneaky and smart, dude. And your boy, I think like five levels ahead of us. Dude, and I'll tell you something right now, a boy's first love, he's about 50 steps behind her

in terms of maturity and intelligence when it comes to, when it comes to dating. And a girl will fucking run circles around you when you're a young, this is why I get, so this is why women like older men, because when you get older, you figure it out and you're like, okay, I see what's going on. Because when you're a kid, you're fucking idiot,

and girls can literally get you to do whatever you want, cause you're stupid. So, and that's the truth. So I worry about that too. I worry about that too with my boy. What if he, you know, he dates some girl, totally phosphor, and she just fucking, you know, she's a shitty person to him,

and then he fucking figures it out the hard way. I mean, you don't wanna see any of that stuff. I want them to be very confident in what they want. And so they don't feel pressured doing that. And for this question more accurately, because here's the thing, as much as you wouldn't, these you would hate us,

you know, like, I hate you, because you know, or whatever, just because of all these things, like, oh, no, that's so much like me. Like, think about like that person's drive to be successful, that they're compassionate nature. You're only a staggity as a person.

It's like, come on, dude, you know, like you don't have to look right past that part that you're insecure of initially, right? Like because you have to sort of like look at it as a time capsule, like this person is 20 years old, you know, or 18 or whatever, super horny, you know, they're trying to suppress all these things to not be like crazy awkward in front of everybody, you know,

but at the same time, they're trying really hard to impress you, you know, like I would give the guys shot. It would just like, it would be hard. It would be something you'd have to kind of eat. No, no. Knowing you guys, the reality is, like, ah, you can do that in five. No, no, no.

It's that, I'm, come on man, I'm watching you. The is, I'm like, you can see Adam flying. No, no, no, no. It's Adam, come on man, I'm watching you. The reality, I'm watching you. The reality is this, is if she's a confident young lady and she respects herself and she finds a guy like you guys that wanna date her, I would be very happy. The truth is, you guys are great guys. That's the truth. Well, the real truth is,

if my invisible 17 year old daughter met, you know, the invisible 17 year old Sal or Justin, I would not only be really truly ecstatic and Justin said it right. I probably, you know, still razzomed Tism showing the Winchester upstairs, but I also think that I would be like, oh, wow, my daughter found this quality kid. And then I feel like I'd want to father him a little bit, you know, saying like I think that that would be a really exciting thing is to see a kid. Cause I remember what I was like, even though I was a fucking mass all over the place.

And, you know, like Justin said, I'm freaking little horn ball. I still think that I had my head on straight and I had a lot of a lot of good qualities and characteristics as a kid that I think that the adult version of me would see that or see that and you guys and I'd be like, oh, this a fucking cool kid. And the reality is like, as hard as it is to say, like, you have, you know, when your kids are start having sex, which they're gonna fuck, that's the bottom line. Kids are gonna have sex.

You gotta face. They're gonna do it. Do you want your kids to be, have a great open, you know, fun, adventurous, safe sex? Of course you do. You don't want your kids to be all repressed and weird and fucking, you can't get into agnocated and become one of those people that get into weird fetishes. Well, they're just repressed and the next thing you know, they lose their virginity to someone. Now they think they have to be with them because they're so repressed and

now they're with some asshole and they never understand what good sex is about and then they become 35 and they're sexually frustrated and they can't figure out what's going on. You want them to have good sex. You want them to be open with their body but comfortable and confident. Not coming from a bad place. That's all I'm saying. So there you go.

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