Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 462: Making Gains As We Age, Kuwaiti Muscle Building Secrets, Improving Brazilian Jiu Jitsu through Resistance Training & MORE

Episode Date: February 24, 2017

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It's fantastic. It's fantastic. Yeah, you know, I like it exactly. I like it, you like to give away the credit, you're not sure about it, you're like, you know what, this could be a really bad idea. Let's go and tell the audience this was how I was like. Anything we do that was brilliant and smart.

It was like, you know. Hello, hello, hello. There he is. There he is. Oh, turn him up. Yeah, fuck you by the way. Fuck you guys. Listen, Justin.

Yeah. Just be clear here. I like the way you look. He talks, he's making fun. He's doing the fat stuff. Yeah. I like it. Listen, because you like him thick.

That's why I have no complex at all. He doesn't. So I say bring it. You know what, you know what, Justin's the fat stuff. Yeah, I like it. Listen, cuz you like them thick That's why I have no complex at all. He doesn't so I say bring it Yeah, you know why you know I just as the worst person like if I were to like let's say I were to talk shit about Someone because you know, I'm like hey, I'm more I'm more ripped than you are. Yeah Because he can go in the gym and be me at everything. Yeah, you know what I mean? And that that's more manly Yeah, this is I would rather I would rather lose a ripped contest than a fucking exercise contest. Well, when you guys all left, I gotta be honest. You left the other day, I was the only one in here, and I had to try those big Indian clubs.

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I wonder how long it's gonna be before. I got this. Before we need to change the name of them because people are gonna get offended. Did they're Indian clubs? Indian clubs. Oh God. We'll need to call them sides.

Fuck it. Why would you be offended? Fuck everybody gets so offended. You know what? I feel like we're more... Do you play Indian music when I do it? We're more PC than every other podcast that I listen to. Every other podcast I listen to, racial slurs, fucking sexist shit, like everything.

I mean, maybe we drop the F-bomb more than a lot of podcasts, but I think we're pretty PC for the most part. And let me tell you, our audience does not hesitate to let us know when we're not. Fucking email right away. You're hammering their female audience because you talk about boners. Yeah, this is a space, though, that's like, it's in like the health, like,

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So I got to tell you guys, I have another steam room story. Is it continued from your lab? No, this morning is it a new character that's involved? It is, it is a new character that I have not seen before. Okay. Who came in this morning, God, the steam room is such an interesting place. Well, before you go to this story, I'm curious, have you ran into the old man lately? Yes. Okay. So you've seen him since a last time. I see him and there's now, does he actually work out? Is he just steam? I've only seen him in the locker room in the steam room and I I can tell now like it's he's

dominated me like you know what I mean like we walk by and you know in two dogs you lower your head a little bit yeah you know in two dogs me and they like fucking they posture up you make eye contact but then you lower and then one of them dominates them and then from that point on when the two dogs meet the pussy dog rolls over you know what I mean or whatever you show to me your belly that's me I walk by and I'm like yeah I'm still like just feed her up in the air in his hands It'll be funny if you got down on the floor roll on his back Awesome, man, like you just dominated, you know, you mean you're you're the you're the alpha in the situation

Well, let's come on. I'm thinking about fighting him in the parking lot. I need to find a way I need to find a way Bro, he's got years on you, man. I mean, just think where you'll be at when you're at. You imagine if I did fight him and he'd get to mass. Right. He's got some like kung fu master. Yeah, that would probably.

Yeah, that's some old man shit, though. You're only good at that once you get some age under your belt. God damn it. Anyway, so I'm in the steam room today. And an old, you know, white dude comes in. Old regular dude comes in. The immediately the first thing I noticed is,

not everybody walks in the steam room naked. Most people wear a towel. Well, this guy's going in, he gave no fucks. Fuck ass naked. With the greatest, most biggest bush I've ever seen in my life. Whoa. Yeah, it was a huge plume. So it's not like a grapious undeniable.

No, no, no, no, it stuck out. It was literally a plume. Like, okay, you ever watch videos of like those old black ones? Like a fresh, like a frosty, or a trove versus. Yeah, so like you go through Siberia. A plume, now it's a plume of pubic hair. You know, it's a fresh storm of snow. It's a plume because you ever watch it.

I make up words and then you throw weird ones in weird places. No, no, no, a plume describe it. Let me try and pull. Let me, yes, it's hustle. For a second, let me teach you a plume means. Okay. You ever watch those old black and white videos of an atomic bomb going off?

And there's that big fucking smoke. That's a plume. Okay. A mushroom plume. I think plume, like taking a bunch of powder and just, you know, throwing it at you. That could be a plume. Right. So it it from far away. So could obviously,

70 year old pubicare too. Yeah, so this could also be a plume of pubicare. Yeah, so I don't want to be a part of that. So from far away, if you squint a little bit, it can look like a bunch of steam or something. Like it's that white, you know what I mean? Like, whoa, what is, is that fog a red or under dick? But no, it's great.

It's not fog, it's peeps. Yeah, so that's the first thing I notice, right? Cause that's where your eyes go immediately when a dude's walking around naked, it doesn't matter if you're straight or gay, for whatever reason, it just happens. Like, oh, your naked, there's your dick. There it is.

It was grape cubes. So he comes in and he's weird. He's a little bit weird. I can sense, he's not 100% normal. White guy? White guy. Old guy, probably 70. Like he's that old, right? Okay.

Cause he's a little saggy in the, in the, in the, you know, the liver spots on the head. Um, he was actually kind of fit, which I was for a second. I was like, I want to tell this guy is kind of fit, you know what I mean? While he's naked. Mm-hmm. But that's why I didn't do it. Yeah, that's why I didn't do it.

Yeah. And because he's cold. And because he's weird. Yeah. Cause he walks in.'t do it. And because you're cold. And because we're, cause you walk, bro. Yeah. You look great. You look great. Lookin' tight. So, he walks in and he's got these kind of,

but another man tells you, I think you do. You look great while you're naked. This is a fucking come on for sure. Whenever you're doing the gym is working. Really? I've had a couple guys tell me that. Yeah, 100% come on.

Really? There's rules. That's very flattering. And there's nothing wrong with another man Completing that I do this all the time. I just I wait till their clothes Yeah, yeah, because you don't want to be it just I got caught in a moment. This is a real story right so I was like I'll put my store in hold can you? I'm gonna chop it off your story with the story and it's gonna be like two minutes

He's gonna hijack it and then forget it halfway through we know just kidding good and it's gonna be like two minutes. It was gonna hijack it and then forget it halfway through. We know. We know. No, don't worry about it. Yeah, so I was a new trainer going into Gold's Gym and I basically was like showing somebody this trigger point technique with the cane, you know?

And so I co-camed. Yeah, so this guy was asking me and I didn't know he was gay or anything, you know, no big deal, whatever, one of my other friends' clients. And like, so he saw me doing like these techniques with one of my clients. And so we go into locker room. So you're using his walking cane to fucking, no, no, no,

the cane, like, you know the one that crows back on the back? The question mark. Yeah, yeah. And then you do the cane. Okay, you fucking lost it. You trigger point, kind of, I'll be with that. You picture him with an old man's cane,

fucking sticking it in someone's neck. I still think an old man. Yeah, no, it in someone's neck. I'm still thinking old man. He's not old man. No, I knew exactly what stuff was going on. So when I come into the locker room, right? So he's butt naked. And I just didn't think anything of him, like whatever, it's a locker room, or dudes are naked.

And he's like, oh yeah, what are you doing with that? Out there with your client, you're doing something with the cane. I had it with me. And he's like, oh, and so I started kind of showing him stuff with the king. He's but I forgot he was but naked Here Hold on hold on let's get something clear on this story Yeah, you might have been you're in the restroom

Sometimes you're not the best at telling stories. I just want to make sure this is clear for everyone, including myself. Okay, so you walk into a restroom. What have I done? Yeah, you walk into a restroom. Locker room. Locker room, right? Yes, lock room. Into the locker room, totally normal.

With the carrying your trainer tool, totally normal. Train your tool, I'm going to mess with my locker. Yeah, totally normal. By the way, could 100% be interpret, look that, if you looked at it and didn't know what it was, it looks like a sex toy. Okay, yes, continue. So you walk in with this trainer tool

that kinda looks like a sex toy over your shoulder, right? So you come on and it, and naked dude walks up to you and starts a conversation. Yeah, and you decide, you decide that this is a good time to apply your trainer knowledge on this guy with potentially selling him a train. He was curious and he was asking me about it. What am I supposed to do?

So continue. Did you do anything like any quadruped moves or anything? No, I'm like showing him. I'm like, oh, you put it here on your back and right here around the rhomboids and you're gonna find a trigger spot right here. It's gonna be real tense.

He looks back at this. He's like, oh, that's interesting. Oh at this. He's like, oh that's interesting. Oh god. He's like kind of moving his way through it. You know, he's like, oh that's great. Well that feels great. And then I, all of a sudden I got like it dawned on me. Right then, then I was like, oh no.

And he was just like, oh yeah, oh yeah. And I was like, oh what am I doing? And I took it off and like, okay. So anyway, that's how it works. And then I put it in the locker room and they like bailed, you know, that was the time I almost had gay sex. Okay. So, whoa.

I need you, Justin, you're a little overconfident. I think it would have been that easy. You're not that hot. Hey man, it was already almost there. So this is typical guy, right? Typical guy. I totally could have had that. Yeah, exactly. You want to fuck that was mine if I wanted it.

Yeah, it was there. Presented itself. I turned this over flat. I think I think just the conversation starter was already thrown at you naked. Yeah, it's still funny. That was so like I walk around naked I walk around naked in the locker room I think that's fine and normal. It's fucking totally normal But I don't go around starting conversations naked right at least like let me put my towel around or let me put my bottoms on

First before I have a conversation I most certainly don't approach another man who's naked too I was like really really goalable. And I almost got sucked into it. So literally, kill 10 and 10. Yeah, you're the rest of my story. So, old guy walks in. Plume of pubes. Plume of gray pubes.

Just staring at you. Yeah, in my face. Walks in and he's kind of weird. I can tell, you ever look at a somebody like, you're not all there. You're not 100%. That's him. So he's kind of making these weird mouth noises like,

that's literally what he was doing in there. So he sits down, by the way, no towel. So it's bare ass cheeks to fucking tile, which everybody knows you don't do that in a steam room because you can catch weird things on your butt. Things are gonna crawl. You don't want to, you don't want to run. You don't want your balls.

You don't want a yeast infection on your body. organisms or whatever. Yeah, but he's his naked He don't go fuck no shoes. No, I mean no flip flops. Nothing just sitting down Bought you exposed goes over to the little spray water thing and sprays Only the plume Just the plume he's spraying his Plume just the plume area. No, just the pubes like he's missing it Like himself missing it like a bush like he's trying to like he's soaking it. He's just soaking it like it's a chia pet Like it's like he's watering himself. He does that. It's like maybe it's like a cooling strategy

I guess it is because when my balls are cold the rest of my body is pretty cool Well, everybody knows the rest of me is. Everybody knows that the balls dictate the temperature of the body. Cheat anyway. He does that. He's doing that, puts up the hose, hangs it up, and then he starts to kind of like ring out his pubes with his hand.

Like he's like getting the water off. Yes, he's getting the water off. There's that big. He's getting the water off with his hands, and then he sprays it. He does this process about two or three times, and then goes down again. I'm so glad that you're still going to a public gym

so you have these stories. And I feel like this, this is your time. You're inspiring me to go back to there because I've been training at our own facility. I forget how many fucking weirdos there are inside the gym. There are real winners. But he did it like three times.

So the second time he started doing it, I'm like, I'm literally, this is exactly what I'm thinking in my head. I was like, I can't wait to talk about this of my own problem. So I don't want to stop him. But I had to say something. So I, he's spraying his tears. So I look at him and he kind of looks at me while he's doing this. And I go, wow, he looked at you. Why he's doing that? He looked up and we caught, we caught each other's face. I contact and I went, that's a walk. I went, wow. Yeah. And then he just kept doing what he was doing. I don't know what else to say. I don't know what I'm gonna say.

So that was this morning in the steam room at Clubsport. It continues. It continues. I hope to see more crazy shit in there. Yeah. Yeah, so far we've got naked yoga guy. We've got my dude that does the steam room competition, the hairy Persian, which I still haven't had any real altercations with. And now we have plume pubes.

Plume pubes. Was this the first time you met him? First time I've ever seen plume pubes. Okay, we'll see if he could be just a traveler. Yeah. You know what I'm saying, coming through in their gym, they do weird stuff like that all the time. So you know what I'm saying? You see those guys all the time. Coming by coming by he's got a day pass does this weird shit near Jim and then he moves

Mark and his territory never see him again. Hmm. We'll see bring it bird. He'll be it. There she is. She's got them Pew. So we're lacking We call single-hand slamming. Kamehra Kwa! Today's Kwa has been brought to you by Kain-Marikoffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutropics for a cleaner, color, and more focused buzz without the crash. Put the Kain-Marik link at MindPumpMedia.com and input the discount code MindPumpACheckout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking clock. An English landed.

Queie, queie. Let's go. Girls gone wild. First question. Yeah. Girls gone wild. First up. That's not what it is. Girls gone wild, cast. It's a plan. Words. All right. Hey, what could I use instead of discriminative?

Oh my god. Any word that's real. That's not a real word. Hey, what could I use instead of just criminal it to div? Oh my god, any word that's real You know what I was after after you called me out on it I felt like how does that happen in my brain like how does that work? What's going on like for that to happen? Where I think sometimes you I'm just I'm hustle through it. Well, I have a lazy mouth That's what I think that's that's a very that's a very good Explanation to that mouth like like you start talking. Because it might feel like moving my mouth. It doesn't have to.

It's just like. I think it's the evolution of how we speak. So most people make fun of me, but I think I think yeah, we all need to get that. I that's what I think that's why it's weird for you guys when you hear it because you're just like I didn't understand that language. I think what happens is we speak words whereas you let the words tumble out. Yeah, it's my favorite.

You already assume we know it's in your head. Because I'm already onto the next six. You know what I'm saying? I think that's what's going on. All right, girls gone wild. No, I'm very bad at that. Can I talk? Yeah, sorry, Doug.

All right, first up, Girl's Gone Wad Podcast. Has a question? It's not Girl's Gone Wild. No, no. Girl's Gone Wad Podcast. Maybe not. It's a plan on words. Yes, it's a plan on words.

How much does age factor into fitness goals? This Girl's Gone Wad Podcast lady is 39 years old, and her body doesn't seem to be responding as it used to and The question is also does this vary between men and women? I can't be serious right now Well, yes, okay. I got you made us drink. I got it though. I'll start us off serious Yeah, yeah, I know this is a let's battle X all these questions We first off girls gone wad podcasts our friends. They have a podcast. Yeah, awesome. We've been meaning fun ladies. I believe in the meaning of you. We had Brianna reach. I thought

reach out to them. They reached out to us. I can't remember. We'll see what happens. If we drop the ball, I apologize. We don't busy on this girls going wadcast. Maybe we'll have them out. Maybe we'll invite them out here because I know they've been to huge supporters for a long time. So we got lots of love for them. So here's a deal. I think we've kind of indirectly talked about this many of times on the show, indirectly, meaning like there's so many things like when you talk about adaptation, right? That what happens to us over years and years of lifting weights and trying all these different programs you've done, high intensity, low intensity, new study comes up for this. Now you try, well, when you're 39 and if you've been lifting for more than five, 10,

I don't know how many years, but I'm assuming if you started a podcast, it's kind of geared around fitness and you follow us, did you've probably been lifting more than a few years? She has, she said in the whole question, I remember she said, her body doesn't respond like when she was in her 20s. Okay, exactly. So she's been doing it for at least 10 years. Yeah, closer to 20, right? Because if she's 20 to 40, so she's probably been lifting for quite some time.

So I think there's a plus side to this and there's a minus side to this, right? The plus side is that when you fall off for a while, you haven't been dialed in. I would totally say that this is where I'm at right now. I think that when I know I want to ramp it up, like I can get back to where I was before. Now, to progress beyond that becomes really challenging because we've done so much

to our bodies, right? As far as different types of modalities and intensity level, you've manipulated like the fit principle a million times. And so you now are not getting the same response as what you were when you, it was a early, it was a million times. And so you now are not getting the same response as what you were when it was a new adaptation. Like when it's a new adaptation, you get lots of return from it for quite some time. And then after you've done it and revisited it so many times, the body is so adapted to it.

It's just the return on investment is just not quite the same as you do. Well, and I think too, as you've aged, like your body has identified the main movers, right? The main, the loud signals that you're trying to enhance even further. And so this has become sort of like your go to protocol. And this is years in the making.

And so like if you, you know, the more years under your belt of doing things the same way, this really like reinforces the signal and this process that you've taken to get there. And so you have to recognize the fact that the way that you've done things is, you know, it leads up to where you are today. And then to kind of enhance that or to progress further, it takes like kind of stepping outside of that and re-evaluating a lot of these signals and maybe where you can see things where they are weak and then focus a little bit more on that.

Well, here's something you wanna consider to, get a group of 39 year old men and women, just people, right? 39 year old people, and that's the average person, and then compare them to 39 year old that are fit and healthy. The difference, are you referring to that? I feel like the spectrum becomes more extreme. The difference.

You get either the people that really cared about themselves or you get the people, it really starts to fall off, once you get towards 40. No, what notice it makes a huge difference. The drinkers, the smokers, patterns and all that. Have you runters like rolled out? Like somebody who is like somebody who has really gotten good, got good balance in their life as far as like everything because I can always I've seen really fit people too that are like 40, 50, but they also, we're in a tanning bed, fucking 15, 20 years

of their life every single day. No serious, or I see someone who's really aesthetically fit, but then they were major smokers though, or they were major drinkers though, but then they still did all. No, I'm talking about healthy. Yeah, well, all though, but that's what I'm saying is it, like you really start to see all those different things.

I've seen a great body in the later 40, 50s, but that's what I'm saying is it like you really start to see all those different things I've seen a great body in the later 40 50s Well, it's like how much stand out if they are healthy and fit the exact now that's what it is Yeah, when you see some you see a woman who is 45 plus years old neck turner and she's got a fit body her skin looks really good Her hair looks really good like man you can just you can tell. You can tell that they have taken care of themselves. And that's at 45. Well, that's just, it just gets multiplied as they get older. That's the difference between you and your peers gets so fucking massive. Yeah.

And we noticed that in our mid to late 30s now, like, you know, in the 20s, it wasn't a big deal. When I was 25 and lifting and training and doing all that stuff, comparing me to my friends who really didn't that much, wasn't like that big of a difference. Oh, man It's huge. Oh, yeah, yeah, friends are fat and yeah normally you I do I have two group two sets of friends Literally, you're either you health and wellness minded or you just don't give a fuck at all and there's a huge fucking They live away different huge Yeah, nothing just look just like your activity level what you choose to do your attitude

It's amazing to see the difference in those groups. And so what I wanna say is that when you're, you know, 20 and you're working out, you don't have years of wear and tear on your body. If you have bad exercise technique and form, and bad habits, I'm talking right now. But listen, don't give them too much,

cause you know, Adam, he goes too far. He doesn't know what's going on. There's no such thing as too far. Trust me. You go too far If there's not as much wear and tear on the body, but when you're 39 You know if you've had bad habits in the past now they start to become cumulative They start to add up and so you can get you know problems with your joints You can get problems with your exercise form and that will hinder How your body responds to exercise? I know myself problems with your joints, you can get problems with your exercise form and that will hinder how your body responds to exercise.

I know myself, I did some stupid shit when I was in my late teens and early 20s when I worked out that just over time turned into problems and I can't get away with it anymore. Like, I can't grab, dude, I used to do, I used to see the craziest shit. I would do overhead tries to extensions with a hundred and twenty pound dumbbell and that was just it was gnarly on my elbows then could I do it now if I forced myself but it was fucking hurt because I've had those years of wear and tear on my elbows like I used to do a bunch of stupid shit that now I can't get away with

anymore and I think it more of it has to do with the fact that it's just added up. As far as comparing a 39 to a 29, 19-year-old body, definitely, here's the thing, when you talk to athletes, you will find that the first thing to go is agility. The second thing to go is speed. Maybe speed. And strength and power. Strength and stability. You can keep those for a long fucking life., I would debate that no, I tell you I would debate the stability thing strength. Yes, stability I don't know man. No, you're hyper connective You see an S. Yes, look at here the world if you look at all the world records for us for power and strength

Though not so much for stabilization Because you don't do as much you know you don't lateral stuff You might be thinking balance. Yeah, that's That's stability, bro. That's what stability is. I'm talking just general stability. Central nervous system, they can generate max force, but they can't control it. Yes. Okay. Well, I just had it come in. Well, so here's the thing though. If you look at all the strength sports, you'll see athletes competing at very high levels in their 30s and 40s. If you look at extreme endurance sports,

you'll see some of the top athletes in their 30s and 40s. Like, you can go really, really far for a long fucking time. And if you lift weights and train properly, my goodness, you can continue to set PRs for a very, very long time. And your hormone levels, your hormone levels will mimic or look like they did when they were younger, especially with proper resistance training.

But the main reason why she's asking this is like the fact that she's probably putting in this hard work and not seeing the same return that she used to, which I think we can all agree has to do with just the amount of, I mean, at this point, she has done so many things that her body is becoming and really where I see this the most most discrepancy here is when somebody has done this a lot of high intense things over all their years. That's what I'm saying.

Can you live effective? Yes. Yes. A cumulative factor of all these really intense driven type workouts. So now when you throw something even close to that intensity level, you don't get the same return as you used to, which is also why.

And this is where I think people don't completely understand us. When we stress the importance of the lower intensity and manipulating frequency, it's because we know this, that five, 10, 15, 20 years down, you wanna have, if you're 39, you want to be rewarded for that day, you get out there and decided to fucking bust your ass.

You do, you want, you want, you want to see return in that. That's not fair, you're fucking 39, and you're kicking ass out on the road that nobody else is. What are you even doing with your leg? Nobody else is doing that? Come on, like you deserve that, but the problem is, you've all through your 20s, you've done that a billion times,

and so your body's not responding the same way. You take somebody who has slowly progressed like their intensity over years, and they're still reaching new levels of intensity and their training, they are seeing that return. You know, there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, Adam, despite the octave changes in your life. I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, Adam, despite the octave changes in your life. There's a lot of truth.

It's getting passionate about that. Because I feel you, bro. I feel you. There's a lot of truth. Because people need to realize, as exercise causes, oxidative stress on the body. Oxidative stress is literally the one of the root causes of aging. Yes.

This is how we can always tell when somebody is a runner, their whole life. People don't think about this either. Like, man, you want to tell you a marathon runner who I meet when she's 45 years old. You would think because she's skinny and lean, she looks good, but she looks old and weathered because she's because of this exact reason. I can tell people who work out too much who are a little bit older because they look older than their age and it's from that oxidative stress. You were not doing yourself any favors by going ridiculous all the time.

There's a delicate balance with exercise between improving your health longevity and it actually taken away from health longevity and it's that extreme factor. But here's a thing that you wanna consider too. As you get older, I would argue, there's some benefits too. Here's what, I'll tell you what, and I'm speaking from a male perspective. I don't know about you guys, right? I'm 38. You guys are not too far behind me.

Do you guys put on muscle easier now than you did when you were 18, 19? Do you put on muscle because I than you did when you were 18, 19? Do you put on muscle ease? Cause I do. I can build muscle now. Well, okay, so that's much easier than I could hold on. I can manipulate my body.

Yes, and so. Yes, and I would agree with that. Yeah, okay, yes and no. Because you're very versed in, there you go. You know, I understand. I wish I knew what I know now when I was 25. Because I would see way more results at 25 with the amount of experience that I had and the knowledge that I have now than what I am at 35 putting

that all together. So, the reason why we see better gains now, yeah, is wisdom. It's not because our bodies are set up to be that way. But now, as you age, you're finding diminishing hormones. I mean, like, let's be honest, that signal, like it dampens over time. And so this is something that like, I know even for women,

especially like if they had, you know, a child and it changes you, physiologically changes you. And so, you know, to bounce back from that, God damn, that's a hard process to go through. And like, I feel for it. So those are definite things. Like, I mean, there's more obstacles, there's more barriers and Adam's totally lighting up

and some marijuana. He's going too much at him. He's going deep. He's going deep. But I have to announce it on the fucking show. I'm sure. Just keep talking there. We're just saying we're getting deep in conversation.

I watched Friday the other day, remember that movie Friday? Yeah. The part where, the part where what's his name was Smoking weed with the, with the essays and they sprinkled angel dust on it. He's stuck in the chickens.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so yeah. So there's a second part to this question. She says, is this different for men and women? Here's something interesting in, in studies actually support this. In experienced men and women. Here's something interesting in studies actually support this. In experienced men and women, in other words, men and women who are trained,

who are relatively advanced, who've been working out for a while, women actually display faster recovery than men do. I don't know if you guys need this or not. I didn't know that. They show less muscle damage and faster recovery. When men and women are untrained, men tend to recover faster. Now, the reason for that discrepancy is they think it's because men tend to be more active anyway with physical things. So even in untrained states, the man's probably a little more

active than the female. But once they're trained, women recover faster. And this is funny now. This is interesting now because so far of all, I've had, we've had men and women pretty evenly split for who's done maps, maps programming. And when I first introduced maps and a ballack, which was the first program. Oh, women definitely see the biggest. Women, yeah.

Both men and women respond very well. But women, the women become our diehard fans because they're like holy shit. Women, it's almost like, it's okay. So here's what you need to do, here's what you expect with excellent programming, like math. We expect about 80 to 85% of the people to do it,

we'll say that a blue way there are other programs. There's a 15% that we accept that we'll have genes that may respond better to other kinds of programs. Of course, because of their exceptions to the rule, there's always that. Right, and but we know that the majority of people are just gonna respond better to other kinds of questions. Of course, because of their exceptions to the rule, there's always that. Right, and but we know that the majority of people are just gonna respond better to our programming. We also know that there's a small percentage anywhere

between 10 to 20% that are gonna be super responders to our programming. People who just respond so fucking well to frequency, it just blows them away. And a lot of women fall in that category. Like I'll get messages and pictures from women who are like showing me before and afters. And it's like crazy, you know, like 30 to 60 minute,

excuse me, 60 to 80 time period. I have to feel like. And I think it's because they recover faster. So frequency for them just blow the more. Yes, that's part of it, but I feel like, you know, as far as our culture is concerned, the way that women are prescribed to train is so silly

and patronizing. Well, that's a good point, I think. You know, and then. And so you come in and you give them valid weight training protocols that like, you know, you're not skirting around the idea of like, yeah, let's like train hard. Let's like do this like legit and like women

have been taking advantage of in the fitness industry more than for sure Anybody I'm sure it is this is me off because it's like you know like women can be bad ass and do just like we could all train the same There's no reason why we shouldn't train the same I want to counter that because a lot of the messages in your 100% right 100% right. If we take a bunch of people who work out, you're gonna find some of the horrible training myths are gonna be women will tend to adopt more because they're marketed to that way. However, a lot of the messages I'm getting

are from experienced hardcore training women who do body parts splits, eat six meals a day, some of them are competitors who are are showing me pictures of the perform afters and they're blown away like I've had this is the crazy thing how often how often have you had and I'm talking about serious not the bullshit like myth How often have you had women who've trained consistently who've been trying to build muscle for years come at you and say okay What do I do now? I think I'm building too much muscle? Yeah, I've actually had several build muscle for years. Come at you and say, okay, what do I do now? I think I'm building too much muscle. Yeah. I've actually had several.

I've had like once in my life. I've actually had several women now saying, start off and saying, well, I started doing your butt builder because I wanted to build my glutes. And then they'll come back two, three months later and be like, okay, my butt is about as big as I want to get it. What do I do?

Which is crazy. It is an easy problem once you have that. It's a great problem. It's like, that's what you want. You want to get in shape as fast as possible and then have to scale back But it's just amazing how they respond and I think I think women recover fast I think the girls gone wild actually have our our program right they have We really just sees that yeah, you know, you know, that's why they did it. I think it's very clever

No, it is I think that they I think they run our program. I hope they do. They should. If you guys aren't, get the fuck on there. That's the first thing to help. But that's probably wise, because you are a badass. You've been a badass for 20 years, and now your body has become so adapted to it that you're not, you're not seeing the sink.

It's very, very, right. Yeah, right. Interrupt it would be ideal, so this is where changing the mode out, maybe you've never been a kettlebell girl before. How about that? We have a great kettlebells for aesthetics mode out. Maybe you've never been a kettlebell girl before How about that like we have a great kettlebells for aesthetics like if you've never messed with kettlebells You want a whole new adaptation? I'm surprised that how popular that program is yeah, no It's bloat people love that program. So I would find that I would find something

You know, and I don't know which which maps you are on if you are running in of them But that this is the idea of changing these out of the, the difference between red and green is like significant. That's great. So if I had somebody who's like a major power lifter, or strength training, and they're like, man, they're going through the same thing. I say, well, one of the best things you can do is go through our green program.

Or if you're somebody who's like super mobility, yoga, Pilates person, that's what you're, I would say, okay, you want something totally different, go to red or black, and that'll totally do that. Or if you're somebody who's done kind of all of that and you cycle through, but you haven't fuck with kettlebells, I'd say go through that kettlebells aesthetic, you know. Now before we go to the next question, Doug,

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Well, just to give people heads up to we're gonna be here. So works totally static about having you get to hang out with us Yeah, so if you are somebody who's out of the state It's and I know that the L Doha program. This is a very legit certification It works as CEUs through a lot of your major national certifications We're the three of us Couldn't be more excited about going through it. I mean, it's gonna be it's I haven't been this excited to go through a certification in a long time So it's gonna be awesome plus we're gonna be hanging out you get a chance to be in the mine pump studio This is the first official

Certification that we'll be holding through mine pump We plan to do tons of them down the road and we're really pumped to have them. March 11th and 12th, where at beach what? Beach fitness. I think beach fitness, yeah, go online. You can see it. Mind Pump Media.com. Yeah, and thank you, Doug.

Mind Pump, just event tab. It just go on our site under the event. Do we have all of them are just LDoA right now? Just LDoA. Okay, so yeah, eventually you guys, so that's good for people to know now anyways. That's so going forward at our website. We're going to be the headquarters.

Yeah, myimpumpmedia.com. You'll be able to go to an events calendar where we'll have whatever we got coming up certification wise. I know I just had somebody inbox me recently and said, do you guys have anything in March? Adam going on. Well, here you go. We've got L.D.O.E.O.E. whoever that was that inbox me on Instagram.

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Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. by this right now. Can I say something? So bodybuilding, so I've, you know, I was a huge mill. I was a huge bodybuilding fanatic in terms of the sport and the history of it. Up until I'd say the end of the 90s, right? I was very, very big into it. And one thing that I noticed in pro bodybuilding

is that it would go through these wrap, it would be consistent for a while in terms of how everybody looked. And then it would go through like this boom explosion of like change. And then everybody looked like that for a while. I feel like Arnold, we had it. And then boom.

And only two or three times. Right, so what you have is you have the bodybuilding of the 60s and then in the 70s, it was all of a sudden this fucking huge transition and guys got bigger, they got more ripped, and really what it was is they just increased their doses of steroids and they started incorporating dieting a little more seriously. Wasn't that when the surge of growth hormone started to come on this?

No, that's not nests. Not yet. Then the 80s came about. Okay, from the 80s, right? And then the 80s bodybuilder started utilizing steroids, putting more science into it, adding higher doses, incorporating- Insolane growth. Not yet, not yet.

Still not, no. Not people were playing with them. We can't follow by then, we got some of them on home. No, they were playing with them a little bit, but they didn't get crazy with them until the 90s, when Dorian Yates won his first Olympia, because he went from like second or third, I don't remember, I think it was second place to Lee Haney,

if I'm not mistaken. And he came back the following Olympia looking like a different person. Just, you know, those very famous black and white pictures of Dorian. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Where he just, nobody had seen

bodybuilders look like that before. Like, it was a completely new look. It was the, You have that ripped gut. It was just, it was just this era of mass monsters and people say it's because the doses went up even higher and then they started really understanding how to use insulin and growth hormone. So all of a sudden you had the era of the mass monsters, the dorineates,

the nassar, al-Sombadi, the Kevin LeVroni, the, you know, all these guys just got fucking massive and super, super shredded because they started using diuretics and all kinds of stuff. And then it stayed like that for a while. Ronnie Coleman, of course, hit the scenes and he was just another ridiculous-looking guy, but nothing really changed super dramatic until recently. Which is so exciting for me that, like, if you've been somebody who's been hanging out

with Mind Pump since day one, like one of my favorite things for us to do is like, to talk about what we see in the industry and where we think It's going in the future of it like those that have been with us new way back when we talked about shreds before Anybody knew all about that bullshit now you see every Instagram person jumping on board and now they're all poising each other's business Which is hilarious so you know this is another thing with a ketogenic diet when that all came out and that was going to be a huge thing And now everybody's talking about that. Well, this is a bit of a supplement around that. This is a big thing right now. This is going to be another huge topic over the next like five years. What's happening right now?

It's kind of because it's we're going on a board. This is like I've never seen anything like this. No, I remember when I have the first time fucking time I told you guys like, dude, there's something going We didn't want to talk about it Yeah, because we're like it's speculation But like you see these people in and their their physiques are completely different So there's something okay, let me explain something to you the body building mecca is southern California If you're anybody who's anybody you probably go to southern California and now there's become there's other mecca Now that I've kind of popped up like Las Vegas now with, you know, cause I think Metro is over on the East Coast.

But, but the Middle East is not a mecha. Never has been for bodybuilding. Yeah, cool. Nobody was, nobody was going for the actual mecha. Nobody was going for the fucking, nobody was going to the Middle East for, for the first time in the United States. It's like Middle East, come on.

Nobody was going to the Middle East for fucking bodybuilding. All of a sudden you have American bodybuilders going to, Kuwait of all places, Oxygen Gym I think is the place of the going. Yes, yes. And they're just fucking going over there.

Like all the top guys are flocking there. Why? The equipment ain't made me different. There ain't nothing. Because the coach over there isn't magical. Which I'm sure, you know, kudos to oxygen gym because they're gonna market the fuck out of that. That's gonna become the the place to be.

So I'm on Instagram and I'm looking at these bodybuilders that are going over there and this is crazy now. Keep in mind, you have guys who've been competing for years at the top pro level, which already means they're doing everything they possibly can. They're taking every drug, they're maximizing their drug intake, they're eating like frickin' maniacs, they're sleeping, they're training,

they're doing everything that they know they can do to look the best and they've been doing it for years. So they're not changing that much. Like year over year, you're not looking at a pro bodybuilder who's been competing for 10 years and you're not seeing the next year going, holy shit, he's gaining some balance. It doesn't happen, they look the same.

The difference is sometimes they look sharper than others, but that's all about water manipulation and doretic and that. Yeah, or they're programming, you know, those little things are micro-just. But it's minor. Yes, totally minor. These guys, these experienced guys are going. 13, 30 pounds on them dude.

Just ridiculous numbers. And they're posting like a 90 day transformation and it's fucking weird. And they've got a different look to their muscles. Like they look, they remind me of that myostatin inhibited bowl pictures that you can go on on. They look silly.

That's what we were speculating a long time ago. Well, just so we thought maybe they figured out like a myostatin. And now that everybody knows, they'll be fucking supplements Supplements that will be attached to this like these guys are making such huge transformations That the next thing so once everybody starts talking about everybody figures it out and then blah blah blah blah Then it becomes a big deal and then now everyone's viewing it looking at the before and after these guys going over there

The next thing to follow after that is someone to be smart, whether it be a supplement company that already exists, that sponsors these guys and has them tell them that that's why they got that way, or an up and coming new supplement that nobody's heard about or seen, and then all these guys claim that they're taking it. No, there's a new drug. It's 100% all bet, I'll bet all my money on it.

It's a new drug that they're using, or they're using the same drugs in some different way But it's probably a new drug and we know a lot of people in the industry So we hear the rumors right we hear the rumors and here's one of the rumors We do not know if this is true I'm we're not obviously not promoting this and I'm gonna go into why you don't want to fuck with this particular drug But we know people in the industry who've said this is what's happening apparently there's a drug called Let's see here. Crullex. It's a crullex, right?

Increlax is yeah in crullex is the is I think the brand name for Macast Sermon And it's a hormone that either stimulates insulin-like growth factor production or improves or increases its effect in the body. Now, insulin-like growth factor is a hormone in the body that promotes growth. Bodybuilders have been fucking with insulin-like growth factor for a long time now. That's one of the reasons why bodybuilders have been so big.

IGF, yeah, IGF one. They've been fucking with that for a little while now. Apparently, this is the new drug that they're using along with it, and this is, again, all rumour, so we don't know if this is true, but this is what's making them so much more muscular. Here's why that's fucking scary. What insulin-like growth factor is connected to longevity

and to reduce massively reduced risks of cancer. And I don't mean increased amounts of IGF1. I'm talking about reduced amounts of IGF1. In fact, human populations that have a polymorphism where they don't have or they have low doses or low normal amounts of IGF1, you can tell because they tend to be smaller because it's a growth hormone, but they live much, much longer. And we know if we, in fact,

there's lots and lots of science that goes into IGF1 because we know inhibiting it, reduces your risk of cancer and stops. Cancer growth in many cases increases it, increasing it, excuse me, does the opposite. These guys are fucking with fire, man. And of course, bodybuilders don't give a shit. They'll take anything that makes them bigger

and they don't only care what's happening. What's happening? Or do you think it's just that they found anabolic sand? Anabolic sand. Maybe. They're eating it. Yeah, it's camel meat. There's definitely, in how I know something,

specifically going on over in Kuwait is like, so I still talk to a lot of buddies that are You know top competitors in men's physique and bodybuilding and They're they're all going over there like I've there's been a handful of them already that I've spoken I don't know Anybody that's ever gone to Kuwait ever. Yeah, exactly alone for Worked out and now all of a sudden five of my buddies or five of my, you know, I have to be, you know, appears that are heading over there. I'm just like, okay, so obviously there's something, something more than a gym and a coach

over there that everybody's the same. They're lifting gold bars. Yeah, so it's going to be, this will be something that will be talked about over the next like three to five years. You'll hear a lot of it going on for sure because you're now that it's, we know that's happening and these guys are starting to mess with it, you'll start to see like all the Olympia guys, so you're gonna,

like you were describing the eras, like there's going to be a 2015 to 2025 type of era of bodybuilding where we made this next big room. And you're about to see it. Did you see that, it was a branding curry, I think it was pro bodybuilder, did you see his picture? Yeah, you sent it over to him. Did you see that? It was a branding curry. I think it was. Pro bodybuilder. Did you see his picture?

Yeah, you sent it over to him. He posted a picture of himself when he got there and then one that was like, I think it was 30 or 90 days. Either way, it was a short period of time. It looks dramatically different. And this guy's been competing for a while. It looks silly. How much more muscular?

I'm sure they shaved like 10, 15 years of their life. I don't know, man. It's just, you're fucking with fire. Like literally, IGF1 is a huge era of stuff. I hate to talk shit about that, because I love that bodybuilders. They don't care, dude. They don't care what's with whatever.

Exactly. They've been like this human, we have moved so far in this, because this has been something forever that's been demonized and black market and not talked about. So somebody had to be fucking being the test. Like somebody has to eventually do this because it's that much closer to superhero's serve.

It is, bro. Like we're getting close. We are. And this process had to happen. I mean, I don't want to be the guy. And I definitely don't want to be the guy to tell the guy who wants to be the guy. Don't be the guy.

I'll be the guy I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? You didn't get that. If to be the guy, but I definitely don't want to be the guy to tell the guy who wants to be the guy, don't be the guy. I'll be the guy. You know what I'm saying? You can get that. If you're that guy, I'm gonna be the other guy. That's all the men. As long as the producer understood what I was trying to get against there. Yeah, here's the thing. Don't be that guy.

You guys remember the 90s when I said the Doreen Yates era came in and they went, just they went kamikaze with the steroids. They started really going crazy with insulin growth hormone protein intake. And a lot of people were like, oh man, these guys are going to fucking die. Well, guess what? A lot of the 90s bodybuilders are fucked. There's a lot of them with horrible health problems, and quite a few of them have died.

A few of them have died because of doretic and crazy, you know, drug use on stage. Yeah. Who knows exactly what it is? It's like this plethora of things in there. And people don't realize, like, let me tell you something about your bodybuilding magazine. They will tell you who won Olympia, who looked phenomenal in 1989,

who looked awesome in 2005. They will very rarely, if ever, publish a story about this ex Olympian now has new kidneys. Or this one is now on liver drugs because it's liver, they don't talk about it, but there's a big chunk of them that are. And this is what's gonna be. This is why, I'm not that surprised.

I'm very passionate about this, and it's a lot of why I speak out on it, on the show and on my Instagram and things is that, you know, I remember being in my 20s and because we grew up in watching all this and even being somebody in the fitness industry, I connected the level of someone's fitness basically or the way they looked.

To health? No, not to that. That's not how I, when I was younger, I connected it to how much juice they probably did. Oh, I see. You know, if I saw somebody on the Olympia state, oh, he must be taking tons of juice, you know? And so that's just how I looked at it.

And so, and I remember the first time that I took antibiotics, I had that thought process going on my head that I- Oh, no, I'm gonna be like that guy now. Well, you know, I felt like, and I think that this is true with a lot, a lot of the average gym goers and guys, especially, that are looking to dabble in steroids, and this is why I stress to all of them, like, man,

you need to prove to yourself first that you can align your eating, align your training, align to that, to get yourself in the most amazing shape naturally before you fuck with that, because then you will understand which is really doing which and then it gives you a whole different Perspective. Yes, exactly then you can discern because I'm definitely not somebody to tell someone don't take this or don't do that like it's your body Do what the fuck you want with it like and I think fuck people that try and tell you what you're like even then like It's the minimum amount that you know will give you the greatest result in any fashion of this, right? So, same rules apply. Same rules apply. And that was when I was competing,

I was running across guys that were just like, upping their dosage, adding more steroids to- Because they're ignorant to the rest of the training and the nutrition. And I'm looking at their bodies and I'm going like, no bro, what's keeping you from winning right now is not the level of steroids. Like you're in balance.

Like you've got fucking no chest, you've got fucking terrible legs. You know what I'm saying? Like build your physique and focus on that. And no amount of steroid is going to fix your imbalance. Like it's like, In fact, there's a lot of amateur bodybuilders and non bodybuilders that use more drugs

and are more comacosis. It's more, they even pro. It's more than even pros. It is. Because they read about, they go in these forums, and they read about what the pros are using. They've got bad genes, they work out shitty, but they think it's all about the drugs. I've known more than a few people who,

this is why I've known regular dudes. No, those are, those are more of them. If the reason why I say that, I actually saw it within competitors, that's what blew my mind. Because if anybody should understand the importance of diet and training, it's somebody who's competing at the highest level.

So when I saw it happening with them too, was what made me go holy fuck. Everybody who's a natural, a natural lip, just a person who goes to the gym working out, who's taking steroids, thinks this way. Because these are who they look up to, of these morons still think of it like this. You know that they definitely getting that information so that's what made me so passionate about was like just letting people understand the problem of it being taboo you don't really have a good understanding of how to use it you know if you're using it or like you know you just have this

like bro come on I'm not fucking it I want Justin. I want you to pour yourself on that one Sal, so you can well tell him to stop being a bitch too Why don't you fucking pour your own one you've been you like the one I made you want to yeah Was good while you got a nipple for years or what look at this I got mine I'm right it's not every day that we drink in the job dude. Come on next question. Oh my god For yourself one to you pussy. I got it. Suzy for real. Adam gets a lot nicer when he's drinking. Yeah, that's so much nicer. Very, very gentle.

Yeah. How do you train with resistance training to complement Brazilian jujitsu? Oh, wow. I would repeat. And then the second part to this question is, Sal, do you plan to compete again and also do either...

Is it a part of time for you to go. Justin wants you to go as well or compete as well. You know what? So I have an interesting relationship with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. When I first got into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, I've told the story several times on the podcast, but I walked into a Jiu JJitsu school and I had known. Yeah, humble.

I had, oh, big time. I had known Jiu-Jitsu or about Jiu-Jitsu for a long time. I had done judo as a kid. I'd watched UFC, the Gracie family. I was always fascinated with it. I walked in as a big, strong muscular guy with some grappling experience. And I got my kick, my ass kick by a guy who was half my size not a strong guy who was just very technical and very good And knew how to use his body positioning how to use leverage and it humbled me and so I got into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

right around this time I had at this point I had been using The over-the-counter designer steroid or pro-hormones, they used to call them, but they were in reality, they were active, right? So it's basically like a steroid, they were legal. And I had been using them on and off, and I had a poor relationship with exercise in my body, and this is when I was just trying to get there.

You're kind of big when you were going into the GGits, you know? I was big, and so I give you a false sense of ego and confidence. It wasn't just that, it was that I, you know, I was, I just had a poor relationship with my body. I was always, at that point, I was really just trying to get big.

Yeah. And I went to Jiu Jitsu, got my ass kicked, started training. I didn't stop with the constant focus on getting big until about a year into doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. After about a year of doing Jiu-Jitsu, I competed in a tournament and I lost and I lost not because the guy was better than me, but because I gasped out and I wasn't as mobile as I could have been. And I had at this point only been doing Jiu-Jitsu about twice a week. And so at that point, I lost and I'm like, you know what?

I'm going to go to Jiu-Jitsu. I'm going to take Jiu-Jitsu four days a week. And so at that point, I lost and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna go to Jiu-Jitsu. I'm gonna take Jiu-Jitsu four days a week. Like I'm not gonna fuck around anymore. And I'm gonna lift weights. And the way I'm gonna lift weights is not gonna be to just build muscle anymore. It's gonna be to compliment my Jiu-Jitsu. And so my focus changed on having to be big all the time to getting better at Jiu-Jitsu,

which was, oh my God, it was beautiful for my health because I was able to take my laser-like focus, my obsessive compulsion, you know, tendencies, and take them from trying to be big all the time, and just direct them to Jiu-Jitsu, which was great. Yeah, you're trying to improve your movement. Right, because what happened was, as I stopped, you know, eating so much craziness, I stopped, lifting weights, like an idiot, I stopped looking at supplements and pro hormones so much craziness, I stopped lifting weights like an idiot, I stopped looking at supplements and pro hormones so much because now I just, I didn't mind if I lost some size, if I can get better with Jiu-Jitsu. So it was really the beginning of my, you know, really having a better relationship

with my body. Jiu-Jitsu did that for me. And then I really focused and got obsessed with Jiu-Jitsu. I was all about the movement and I got a lot better. The difference between going twice a week and four days a week was dramatic, but there was a big difference in my training as well. When I lifted weights before, it was like my resistance training didn't change from what how it was before,

and it was always focused on building hypertrophy. Yeah, you have to feel like now you would be different, right? Totally different. But at that point, I was lifting weights like I had done before and I just threw Jiu-Jitsu into it, which was bad because it took away from my resistance training because I'm burning all these calories. And by the way, Jiu-Jitsu is very exhausting.

Burns a shit ton of calories and it beats up your body, especially in the beginning when you don't have to move. When you spark it, you like max effort. You come home and you've just got fucking, you've got Matt Burn and Guy Burn on you and you're tired and you're just, you can't sleep because you're so, you take the year to really learn how to move your body so you don't fuck yourself up.

But at that point, I cut my resistance strain down from five days a week to two days a week. So now I'm doing Brazilian jujitsu four days a week and I'm lifting twice a week. Instead of two days a week of jujitsu and five days a week of resistance strain. Now, because I'm only Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu four days a week and I'm lifting twice a week instead of you know two days a week Jiu-Jitsu and five days a week of resistance training. Yeah. Now because I'm only doing resistance training twice a week And because Jiu-Jitsu is my focus my focus on my resistance training changes So I realized something early on because at first I thought to myself like okay now I'm gonna lift weights for Jiu-Jitsu

I want lots of endurance and stamina. So I'm gonna lift weights with a bunch of endurance and stamina. That's a mistake. I started doing circuits, I started doing CrossFit style workouts before I knew what CrossFit was. So it's just that style of going. We noticed a lot of the guys in Jiu-Jitsu class did do CrossFit. They did later on. They did later on.

Yes, they did later on. So I was doing circuits and I was changing exercises together and I'm doing all these fucking box squats and crazy shit. Do you know I had to pause you for a second? Sure. This is a part where I think people don't understand to like I remember when we first started like people always would have this like oh I understand you guys have this stance against CrossFit like that like we had this like thing against them. But here's here's why, and listening to you tell this story reminds me that I think at one point, all of us have created programs, not only for our clients

but ourselves. We understand the program. Exactly. That's what I mean. And it's faulted. Exactly. And so it's not that we have like this nose up in the air and it's like, oh, we're better than them.

And that, no, it's like, I programmed this before. Yeah. And I saw what it did to hundreds of clients. So when you've trained thousands of people and you've done all kinds of programs and created different types of workouts, you understand that. And then when you apply it to hundreds of people

and you see what it does, and then you apply it to yourself. Yeah, it reminds me of when we got competitive against other trainers for years. It's come up with the most crazy intense workout. Like that's very much so reminds me of it. That literally takes like two seconds of thought. Yeah. And so it's just like, it's nonsensical.

It's not taken into account, you know, how the body responds and how you're improving yourself. You're just trying to create the most intensified experience in that moment that you can. You are creating a program for the sake of a workout, not the sake of the person. Absolutely. That's the difference is that, you know, there is nothing to say to these fucking workouts aren't fucking hard as shit and this and this.

But once you've done that and you realize like, this is, the ultimate goal is to take somebody who is getting involved in any sort of fitness modality whether it be CrossFit or Orange Theory or just a local training box, whatever. The point is why they're signing up, they want to better themselves. They want to become healthier, they want to become stronger, they want're signing up, they want to better themselves. They want to become healthier, they want to become stronger, they want to become faster,

they want to become fitter, whatever their personal goal is. Well, I feel like that approach very quickly leads you to high risk of injury, burnout, body stop responding, and you have a high drop out rate. They don't publish their numbers, but I'd love to see what the drop out rate is. Yeah, the turnover is right. So, in talking about you, Jitsu. It's already an intensified cardiovascular type experience where you get a high level of skill,

high level of body movement, mobility, all these kinds of things. So now how do you compliment that in terms of strength training? Exactly, because at first my approach was, I'm gonna train to build those attributes. So I'm gonna train with stamina, I'm gonna train with explosiveness, I'm gonna do all build those attributes. So I'm gonna train with stamina. I'm gonna train with explosiveness.

I'm gonna do all these. And when it ended up happening was my performance decreased in Jiu-Jitsu because I was burning myself out. And I'd go grapple with someone and I'd be exhausted after five minutes and I'm like, what is going on? And then I had kind of a realization. And I thought to myself and I said, you know, all these different training modalities, all these different things that we do,

I need to start thinking of them as tools. One's a hammer, one's a screwdriver, you know, one's a pair of pliers. And if you have a toolbox and if you want a hammer, if you want to put a nail into the wall, you use a hammer for it. You don't use, could I hammer a nail into the wall with the pair of pliers?

I could, I could definitely figure out a way to use pliers to hammer a nail into the wall, but it's gonna be far less effective than using a hammer. And those pliers are really good at doing things that that pliers were designed to do. Wates are really fucking good at getting you strong. Nothing will get you strong, like, wait, there is no form of exercise that will build pure raw strength. Like, wait, that's what the tool is designed for.

If you want to build endurance, do things that are tools that are foreign-durance. Now, in this particular case, I'm doing Jiu-Jitsu. If I want endurance in Jiu-Jitsu, guess what I'm going to do more of? Jiu-Jitsu, I'm going to grapple more. So, what I do with my resistance training is I used it for what it was designed for,

for what resistance training works best for, which is to get stronger. So I backed off on the intensity and my resistance training sessions were designed around getting me improving and increasing my absolute strength. And so my lifts looked a lot like phase one of maps red. And of course, I would phase in and out of it. So you could summon that kind of response

that you needed in that moment. Because when I was getting my deadlift stronger in my, you know, one to three rep range, when I'd go to Jujitsu, I would see the carryover. And I'd get the endurance from grappling. If I want to more endurance, I would just stay longer in matches and I'd go from one person to the next. And so the best way to train with resistance

to compliment your sport is A, you want to train imbalances, which I was always aware of. So make sure it helps you prevent injury. Mb, use resistance training for what it's good for. And that's to build strength. But the last point I want to make is this, when you get stronger with resistance training, it is very important that you do a high degree of skills training in your current sport because if I take an athlete, if I take a baseball player, a football player, a basketball player, it's you, you know, player, if I take that person and I snap my fingers and I give them 15% more strength and then I have them go do their sport

for a little while there. They're gonna be taking a step back because now they have their coordination's off. They're off because their timing is off. Their strength is off the body. It's very important to note. So if you're gonna lift weights to get stronger, continue your skills strengths

that you can incorporate. Well, frankly, you know what I love about your analogy with the tools? Like, I literally look, so, and I know we have to kind of bring CrossFit up every now and then, but like with CrossFit, how I look at them, they are a Swiss Army knife. So, if I'm gonna go for like a hammer to a nail,

I'm gonna pull out this little shitty, you know, hammer out of my Swiss Army knife, and I'm gonna tinker at that thing for about an hour to get that job done. Because I've spread it out to all these other little fucking tiny performance gains that I got from my Swiss army knife. Very, very true.

Very, very true. And the last question is. Well, before everyone to compliment the Jiu-Jitsu, I think, and this is why we created these different programs. And we also created them with flexibility of modification to think. So, I would take someone like this and I would have them go through Maps Green. And while they're going through Maps Green, how I would organize the foundational mobility dish.

Yeah. Maps Green, and the way I would organize it would be based around their level of jiu-jitsu that they want to do. Meaning that if jiu-jitsu is your number one priority, well, then a majority of our time, that's going to be foundational. A lot of you're on where you would be doing foundational work in green, a lot of that's going to be replaced by jiu-jitsu, jiu-jitsu, because that's your main focus here. Then a lot of the mobility type exercises

that we include in there is what you would do on the off days to not only help build strength, but also keep you mobile and multi-plane here. I'll tell you what, if you're an athlete, whether it be Gigi too, basketball baseball, whatever, maps performance is 100% the program you wanna use, and the way you would utilize it is, if you're doing a lot of training in your sport, so like four days or more a week, is 100% the program you want to use. And the way you would utilize it is,

if you're doing a lot of training in your sport, so like four days or more a week, maybe even three days or more a week of whatever sport you're into, then instead of doing three foundational workouts a day due to, and then do mobility as much as you want, because mobility is not intense, it's good for reducing risk of injury.

The second note, if you're on MAP's performance, phase four, you utilize in the off season. Do not utilize that during the season, because phase four itself is very, very intense, and if you throw phase four in with your hardcore training, you run the risk of overtraining. So, and I believe we've made notes in that, like this is the building the bigger gas tank,

this is something you wanna do in the off season, leading up to a season. The last part of the question, he wanted to know if I would ever compete or train again in Jiu-Jitsu. Here's what I have to say about this. I have a love for Jiu-Jitsu. Is person didn't care about me first? It taught.

This person didn't care about me or Justin. Well, they asked me first and they said, if you guys would ever do this. Okay, we're in a taxi. It, I have a tremendous love for Jiu-Jitsu. It taught me some incredible lessons. The biggest lesson to taught me, and this is why I would fucking love

for both you guys to do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. The thing Jiu-Jitsu did for me the most was it checked my ego. Yeah. So hard. I can see that. So hard. Because we both have ego. Yes. Yes. You ask whole, you so hard. Because we both have ego.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Ask holes. Not because you have you guys have bad egos because in this particular realm of fight training or whatever, when you go in and you wrestle someone and you're going 100% because you're not punching right. You're not punching and kicking so you can go all as hard as you want to have someone

fuck with you like you're a child. Literally like you are a fucking child you've never experienced this before guarantee because you're both big fucking dudes. Yeah, you've never wrestled against someone smaller than you that that made you feel foolish when you do that it it is a such a growth tool like you grow as a man as a person you you you really it really develops a healthy ego because you realize just how vulnerable you are and you develop an incredible skill for the art of fighting. You see some of these guys fight and you really, truly realize, like I could take, if I took a world class, 140 pound Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu guy and brought him in here and we put mats on the floor and we set up five minutes and your goal was just try and just

pin him or do something to him. Within a five-minute period he would put you to sleep if you wanted to three, four times in a row. It would be in it's such an incredible feeling like so demoralizing but so character building. Totally sign up. Yeah. Actually truth be told and you brought so character building. I don't have that. Totally sign up. Yeah. Actually, truth be told, and you brought this up before. I actually really would love to do this. I would love to do this. You guys will be excellent at it.

I'd be able to afford it. I would love, love, love, love to do. If there is anything like that I would get into as far as like competitive with, and I don't know if you classify that as fighting because then we're not punching each other, but that's the type of fighting I would do now at this age, because I'm not gonna get an MMA ring

and get punched in the face right now. Not now, maybe it could events me 10, 15 years ago, but I would love to do something like Jiu-Jitsu or Judo. I would definitely love to learn at heart like that. Judo, we'd all get hurt. Judo's way too explosive. Jiu-Jitsu is beautiful. You can start on the ground.

Go, can you still get hurt in Jiu Jitsu? Yes, but if you go against like a high level Jiu Jitsu judo guy and you try and stand with him, he's gonna throw in your fucking head and if you don't know how to fall and you're big dudes, you're gonna hurt yourself all the time. Trust me, that shit hurts if you don't know how to fall, right? But, presumed Jiu Jitsu, I would love for us to all do some of it. It is so fucking awesome.

All right, so I'll pump down. I'm down. We'll bring a coach in here to do it for us to all do some of it. It is so fucking awesome. So long, I'm down. I'm down. We will bring a coach in here to do it for us. That would be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome.

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We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. We'll be awesome. All right, next up is B-Bullet09, diagnosed with Crohn's a few years ago. How to eat for it and for gut health. So it's funny because...

I'm glad we went this way. I just had somebody message me about Crohn's. You know, it's horrible. There's an epidemic that's happening right now that is not being addressed, fully acknowledged and addressed by the mainstream media. And I have my own reservations with the mainstream media. The mainstream media, all your major media news outlets are controlled by a few corporations who are very, very intricately connected to our government and they've been caught many, many times promoting bullshit, either to promote some kind of propaganda,

whether it be pro war or anti a particular drug that they wanna make illegal or whatever. There's a lot of stuff that they talk about to promote, that can be very bullshit, and there's a lot of stuff that they don't talk about because they don't want it to come out. And one of them is the epidemic of autoimmune diseases. We are in the midst, look it up, Look up the numbers. Look up the statistics.

Every day I get somebody who inboxes me on one of my social media platforms that is talking about this. Whether it's something they're directly affected by or someone who's close to them directly affected by it. And it's unbelievable who it's happening to because a lot of them are people that have been involved in fitness for the last 10, 15 years. There is. You can't just blame genetics because you also have to take into account that like these genes

get expressed by you exposing it to certain factors. No, no, no, no. Genetics, I'm sorry, is not the reason this is happening. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's part of the reason. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, genetics, I'm sorry, is not the reason this is happening. Okay. It's, no, no, no, no, it's part of the reason. No, no, no, here's what I mean. Abbey genetics is truly understand this way more than what we understood this.

Yes, but here's what I mean by that. We did not all of a sudden evolve to have all these fucking problems. Yeah, but I just want to say that there's, there is that because somebody's going to say, oh my God, then yes, it does. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,, but it's not the only role. No you're right, no you're right. And it's not even the major role in this situation. No it's not.

Genetics genes have not changed dramatically over three generations, they just haven't. We haven't evolved that fast, but we have this epidemic. And it is indeed a massive epidemic of autoimmune diseases which include things like food allergies. And for any of the parents that are listening right now, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Because I was in school not that long ago.

I'm 38 years old, okay? When I was in school, I don't remember a single fucking person. Ever, not a say, maybe one person that I can think of that had a like peanut allergy or some kind of an out-nowed food allergy where they're at, where you know where. Today, there's entire schools that are peanut free.

Most schools have a peanut or allergy. Can you have regular balloons because of the latex and the... If you go to, if you go to a lot of schools nowadays, if not most schools, they're gonna live in a fucking bubble. When they have their lunch tables set up, one or two of the lunch tables are partitioned off

to be allergen free. It's crazy. There should be enough evidence for most people just to get that right there. That didn't exist 10, 15 years. Not like this, not at this level. No. I mean, it existed, but it wasn't like this. When we were kids, there was nobody who had allergies in class. And there wasn't enough people that we actually designated areas or made rules in the class.

Dude, there are now bills right now going out in state legislatures. enough people that we actually designated areas or made rules in the class. Like that's the question. There are now bills right now going out in state legislatures. If not already have been passed, I think, in some of them where they're gonna require epipans to be put in classrooms now. Wow. Yeah, and that's one aspect of it.

You have autoimmune diseases, all of them on the rise. Every single autoimmune disease you can think of is on the rise. Crohn's is one of them. Crohn's has grown exponentially over the last 20 years. Diseases like skin diseases, psoriasis on the rise, gut issues in general on the rise, certain types of arthritis. Here about that. Yeah, rheumatoid arthritis on the rhizoc.

All these autoimmune issues have exploded and there's a lot of theories as to what the culprit is. My personally, I believe it's a combination of a lot of these things. And here's the things that I think that are causing them. Number one, it is the overuse of antibiotics, I think, are contributing to this. And what I mean by that is overuse of antibiotics

and humans and in animals. And it's causing this reduction in a variety of, you know, gut flora and healthy bacteria. Just overall bacteria that we're exposed to and that live in and on us. And they've already, they've already, there's already studies that have shown that the last three generations have less and less diverse gut flora in microbiomes than the previous generation. So that's one of them. I think we're being exposed to it. There's lots of tests that have been done on public water that find micro-micro- amounts of antibiotics in the water and the argument is oh at that levels it's perfectly safe but again how often and how long do you drink water for your

entire fucking life so over the course of 30 years or so something it's gonna have an effect on you or your unborn children, I believe. Then there's also the introduction of GMO-type foods, which really didn't start hitting the market until the 90s. In the 90s, the market penetration rate was very, very low, but within 10 years, their market penetration rate was very high to now, if you pick up a process or packaged food, the odds that it's a GMO or anywhere between 70% to 90%. So the majority of packaged processed non-organic food is GMO.

Now why is that important? We have conclusively now found that the glyphosate that are used on GMOs. So GMOs are, or they're, they're, they are, genetically modified to withstand very high doses of synthetic weed killers and insecticides. Okay. So glyphosate's being one of them. And so they're modified to be able to take high doses so you have at least crops and

you could just blast them with, you know, herbicide. Just herbicides. So that way, yeah,. It's just a big shinsie. So that way, yeah, the bugs don't eat all of our shit. Not only that, but you kill all these weeds, but the plants themselves don't die. So it's super easy, right? But what we know now is that glyphosate, glyphosate's number one, the World Health Organization,

has loosely connected glyphosates to cancer risk. Number two, we know that glyphosates have been shown to fundamentally alter gut flora. I want to be careful with my words because there is no conclusive evidence that it's bad, but all the other science is showing altering your gut flora in a non-natural way. It's probably bad. That's another thing. If you look at the charts again. Well, that whole, so just so people know, I mean, that whole last 30 seconds of what you said

is where all the, the other science, right? So, and it's gonna be great. We're about to have Lane Norton on the show. So you're gonna see an example of a PhD that will take information. If you'll combat that, he's exactly that will take that information because there's not enough conclusive evidence.

So there's a problem right now is because you'll have one. It's one side. Yeah, it's just what. What do you want to lean on? Well, it's fucking true. The treat science like the law, the law, where it's like you're innocent till proven guilty. Dude, it's a fucking thing.

To me, I feel like that doesn't apply when we're talking about our health and well-being, because I would like a little heads up or even if the majority doesn't agree with me yet, if a lot of people are starting to see this or notice something, I think that information should be shared, but you've got the other side that likes to battle with that because they have other objectives. You have to place your own bets. Yeah. And at that point, like because it's not as conclusive, but you still have to place your own bets. And at that point, because it's not as conclusive,

but you still have to place your bets in one side or the other. And so if you're placing your bets on a side that's like, well, what's not proven versus like, what intuitively you feel like, may be problematic, there's two sides to that. Look here, bottom line, here's the bottom fucking line. Every single month, there's two sides to that look here look here bottom line. Here's the bottom fucking line every

Single month there are several approved drugs that are removed from the market because new information comes out And these are by the way our FDA approval approval process for drugs is the most expensive and extensive in the world By far by fucking far it takes 10 years and over a billion dollars to take a drug from conception to approval if it gets approved. And yet every month there's several drugs removed off the market because they discover some fucked up. They look at prilo-sec. Prilo-sec over the counter, that's how safe they said it was. So great. Now we're connecting it to Dimension Alzheimer's for example. Yeah, they so it's all first of, this shit goes wrong all the time. Number two, where's the money going?

The money is going and supporting GMOs, not going against it for fuck's sake. Most studies, most of the studies done on GMOs. Because of efficiency. And because that's where the fucking money is. Yes, where people are paying their products. That's where the money is. And number three, where are the 50 and 100 year studies

on these substances? They don't exist. No. They don't exist. Well, let me tell you something. If you eat food, like we all do, and you eat food every day, like we all do, and you eat the typical American diet, you're going to be eating for your entire life.

And if you're alive for the, what's the lifespan now? Average, 74 years. It might not show up for 50 years. It might not show up for your entire life. And if you're alive for the, what's the lifespan now, average, 74 years? It might not show up for 50 years. It might not show up for 30, 40. That's a long fucking time. There's no study that goes that long. That's the thing you wanna consider. So when you have animal studies

and you have other studies that are showing some problems, you're better, in my view, my opinion, you're better, it's better off to air on the side of safety. And here's a deal, like we've evolved with natural foods, with non-synthetic chemicals, chemicals, excuse me. For hundreds of years. For hundreds of thousands of years,

for millions of years, I'm gonna trust that now over GMOs have been on the market since the mid-90s, the longest studies done, or six months or a year, not even, like a thousand year rule, right? Yeah, I'm not like, let's use milk, water, and like wine and coffee. It's bullshit.

And the other one, by the way, is artificial sweeteners, which have not been in massive widespread use for that long. And by the way, over 75% of the ad boost, excuse me, adverse chemical reactions that people will get with food, so synthetic components in food. Over 75% of the reports that go to the FDA

for adverse reactions are due to aspartame, aspartame. That's over 75, any, if you take all the fucking complaints that go to the FDA when it comes to additives in food, over 75% to aspartame, which is an artificial sweetener that's deemed totally safe by the FDA. So for me personally, when you're dealing with autoimmune diseases, what's more important than what you do, it's what you shouldn't do.

Well, it's crazy. I can't see the boy. Check this out. This is what's tough, though. So I just got an inbox. I want to read it. I hope my boy, I'm not going to use name, so I don't get him in trouble.

But I have to share the story with what we're talking about now because this happened fucking yesterday. He inboxes me and he's a competitor, a buddy of mine who I know. And he's telling me that he went to the doctor, okay, so he competes right in men's physique and his girl competes. So she's been on a competitive diet before. And he says, what's up? I want to talk to you about my girlfriend.

She got autoimmune issues and her doctor keeps trying her to throw her on a competitive diet before. And he says, what's up? I want to talk to you about my girlfriend. She got autoimmune issues and her doctor keeps trying her to throw her on a zero carb high protein diet for a year. Every time she has a carb, she reacts sets her, I don't know what he said there. It's insane. I went to the doctor with her and we argued, she sent me out. She did a traditional bikini prep and her stomach was fine. When she eats bad

she has sharp pains, bloating, headache, etc. Now me and her are arguing because every time she leaves the doctor she's crying and I get pissed. Any chance you could talk to her on the phone or tell her give her 10 minutes. I know it's better if a third party gives her some info, not her boyfriend, and see if you can understand why her doc is doing this and maybe explain to me. Dude, these problems are, it's like I said, it's exponential growth, and I'm hearing it more and more and more from people all the time with minor issues, all the way to bane issues, younger people being diagnosed with some of these autoimmune disorders than, whereas before it was older people, cancer rates have increased. Now cancer, I believe, is on route to being the number one killer in America.

And a lot of people will say, well, that's due because people are getting older. No, when you start to control for that factor, we still have a rising cancer rate. We have a higher survival rate because our treatments are getting better, but diagnosing rate is higher, even if you consider that we're finding a more, because better technology, whatever. Cancer rates among pets has gone up. Okay. This is also a statistic that I read. Dude, don't give away my fucking business idea.

There's a lot of shit that's going on. So here's step one, one, you got crones, pay attention to what you shouldn't do first before what you should do. Here's what you shouldn't do. Stop eating all artificial sweeteners, colors, dyes. Stay away from most or all. This is what you should do. Yeah, process, like that's what I mean,

don't eat those things like, stay away from processed foods, stay away from all supplements. Stay away from all those things, that's number one. So number two, this is like, right away. Right away, like, there's supplement that'll help me. No, no, no, it's processed.

No, it's five-hour official. Number two, avoid sugar and gluten and dairy. Those seem to be, and this is anecdotal, but there's a little bit of evidence to support it, that people with autoimmune disorders respond very poorly to those three things. Sugar, gluten, and dairy. So avoid those three things for now. And take out any other foods you may think that you have an intolerance to.

Now, the next step is- What you explain again, let's stop because I know I have someone specifically that's listening to you for this. You know, what do you mean by that? Like you- If you eat something, you have an intolerance to. People don't understand if they have an intolerance to something or not.

Here's some easy signs. If you eat something and you notice that you have any, any signs of gastro issues, whether it be bloating, farting, burping, your stool changes, like heartburn. Yeah, heartburn, anything like that. Headache. Then look for other signals, headache, brain fog. Then look for signals that take longer to show up. Acne or sleep. Sleeve. Or sleep.

Like, you know, we identified some with my girlfriend. We eliminated them. Actually, peanut butter for her. We eliminated peanut butter and her skin just cleared up right away. Like, she was having some issues here and there with her skin, she couldn't figure it out because she's really healthy. Eliminated peanut butter, skin was better. She reintroduced peanut butter just to test it, sure enough she started breaking out a little bit. 100% peanut butter was her trigger.

So start identifying those things. Then look into the specific carbohydrate diet, which is being used quite a bit with people who have autoimmune diseases. It does is it eliminates very common triggers. What happens over time is you have to be very vigilant, especially if you're in the midst of an autoimmune flare-up. You got to be perfect, vigilant, because your body is hyper... Well, this is what the doctor is. This is where the doctor, and this is where she got really...

He said part of why she was crying, she was scared and she was frustrated is that, you know, the doctor is telling her that she needs to be, you know, strict about this, like no more carbs, eat like this. And so people freak out because he's like, man, she feels stressed that she's going to fail. Like, I'm not gonna be able to do this. Like, what if I fail?

Am I gonna die or what's gonna happen for this? So a lot of people just have a hard time with that, but really the reason why, this is why they tell you, you're trying to alter something, and that's not gonna happen over five good meals. Not only that, but two good days. Not only that, but your body's hyper reactive. So what you'll find is you'll do good for a month

and then have a cheat day. Oh, I'm gonna have some gluten or umoneats, and whatever, and then symptoms just fucking come back all of a sudden. And what Adam's saying, it takes a while. It takes a while before you start to feel like you're getting better. So you might need to do this for a couple months before you notice that it's a-

I explain it with people like when you get these autoimmune issues, it's because you did something that wasn't good for your body for a long time. Consistently. So think, you know, before you're really, really good, you're probably going to have to do something really good, the opposite of that for a very long time to really reap all the benefits.

Like, you're not gonna like, for someone like me, I'm still dealing with this, like with my psoriasis. Like, I just made another step in this journey for me, literally like two days ago, where now all my detergent, all my soap that I'm using is I don't have anything that has that antibacterial stuff. I have nothing with this sense, everything's all organic and natural.

So I'm like, if I'm rubbing the soap over my body and wearing these clothes every day and I have something that's a skin irritation, let me try and add something that could be, and I'll now assess that, like what a difference that makes. And I'll do these little things with my diet. Same way, it just takes fucking time. It takes time.

And you also want to, I mean, from a scientific standpoint, there's something called leaky gut syndrome, which is very common. By the way, that's not a medically accepted term yet or problem, but more and more in the medical community are looking at it and taking it seriously. And the theory behind leaky gut syndrome is that your gut gets inflamed, which it does. And because it becomes inflamed, it becomes more permeable. So things can, because your gut, your gut lining in particular, is designed to absorb some things and not

absorb other things. It's a barrier. Well, if it becomes inflamed, it loses its ability to block out certain toxins. And so now things are leaking into your gut, into your bloodstream, and your body recognizes them as foreign invaders. And so it creates an immune response.

And that immune response presents itself in many different ways. Sometimes it's in a very big way, like Crohn's disease. Other times it's smaller ways like acne or this, something like psoriasis. So when you fix your diet, when you're eating this way, first you fix it and then you gotta give your gut time to heal and for the inflammation to go down

and for the bucoza lining to rebuild. And it takes a fucking while. So that's the number one rule. That's the number one piece of advice I'm gonna give you is do these things be vigilant? It's gonna take time. I hate to tell you this. I've worked with people where it took us six months to a year, man, before they really

saw big improvements. I personally, when I dealt with my own gut issues and autoimmune issues, I had to be perfect for like a year. Within that year, if I had a little bit of gluten, fucking huge flare up. But here's the good news, after being consistent for a while, now I can throw them in every once in a while, and I don't have a reaction like I used to.

So I've gotten to that point now, so it's gonna take some time. But again, I wanna stress this, like if you have autoimmune issues, even minor ones, okay? Consider this, the thing that keeps you alive more than anything in your fucking body's your immune system. If you were to become aware of the amount of foreign invaders and bacteria and viruses

that you're exposed to on a daily basis, including a amount of cells that try to become cancerous in your body on a daily basis, you would be paranoid, you'd be frozen with anxiety. It's a lot. Your immune system is what keeps you alive. If you have an autoimmune disorder, your immune system is literally... It's a little defunct and that is not good. That is the scariest thing for me.

Like what mode, I'm so glad you said that because if there's something that secretly motivates me more than anything else to better My condition with circus rice and okay, so check this out when I do since right? But if you just look at it like that well Check this out when I went and saw my dermatologist and they and I was asking all the different things that I could do for my Sarasas they said to me well honestly sir all the things that we have out there as far as the medication, the steroid type creams, the light therapy that we do,

is has more adverse effects to your body than what you currently have. So you're really a level one of what we would say in the psoriasis one to 10 scale on how bad it is. So you're best off just utilizing this creams and basically getting used to having this and managing. Yeah, just deal with it. Yeah, just deal with it.

And I was just like, I was floored by this. Like I was not okay with it. And that's what made me start diving into it more and learning that it was connected to an autoimmune disease and what types of ways I should be eating to help this and benefit this. And then I realized I started connecting it to, oh my God, well, if I'm weak here,

then that means some other diseases and bacteria are gonna have an easier time attacking my body than a normal healthy body, because I'm already at a disadvantage, because I have an autoimmune disease. And I was like, fuck that. Like, that to me is the scariest thing ever is like, I'm more susceptible to something like cancer

than somebody who's got a super healthy, strong immune system, because am being bombarded already by something like that scares me and so that also motivates me to be on this search of all these little things I can do to help that. And that's why I said, you know, first and of course I went through the nutrition first. I mean that was obvious was to start diving into what foods I should eliminate. And I think when I coach somebody that has an autoimmune like this, the first advice I give because if you're, you were eating all these things before just mindlessly and not paying attention to also now you have got an autoimmune issue and you're like, holy shit. And you actually want to fix it.

But some people just say, fuck it and they don't change anything. Like a lot of people, a majority of people don't realize the consequences behind it, or don't give a fuck about it because it's not something technically that's going to kill you overnight. So you just say, whatever about it, and you go about your life, like, and then you have your other group of people like Mike, myself, who know they have this issue, and they want to fix it. And they're on this pursuit of, okay, what, what can I do to better that? Well, when I coach somebody because I've been through this myself and I realize what a daunting task this can be because there's so many things and you

got to be doing it for a lot. It's not like I'm going to just change one thing and I'm going to be better overnight. It's like, I got to continue better practices on all these things that have now been connected or linked to making these this issue worse. And you start with food. I mean, you absolutely start with food and you start with, you know, these things like sauce, which was the exact same thing I responded to my buddy was get rid of the supplements, get rid of the processed foods, cut down on the sugar, you know, back off the carbs,

increase the fat. Yeah, this was the exact advice I said to start with that. And then you start manipulating and playing with things and allowing things in and out of the diet and really learning to and this is what we teach all people even if you don't have an autoimmune issue we're always trying to teach people to start connecting these does because before you got an autoimmune disease your body was probably telling you things just like it was telling me,

but I just fucking ignored them because I didn't know better. And also understand this, like, yeah, if your gut is really healthy, your ability, and I wanna say this, cause this is a motivate a lot of people, and I'm not bullshitting this is 100% true. If your gut is healthy, your ability to burn body fat,

your ability to build muscle, your likelihood of being in a good mood, the way your brain operates, the way you recover your hormone profile, all improve or are at their best, or at the highest odds of being at their best if you have good gut health. So even if you're just motivated by aesthetics

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