Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 486: Achieving Maximum Gains with Minimum Effort

Episode Date: April 6, 2017

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in one of the gyms that I managed, big motherfucker. Like, I see you going. Yeah, I was, and I was young. I was like, let's see, I must have been 20s. It was like one of the first gyms that I managed. So, and I've always, look, I've got, you know, I've got gay people in my family where very loving family, I've always been very open-minded

and not a big deal, but I did without realizing subscribe to the stereotype that, they're not as masculine, right? This big ass dude, and a big muscular motherfucker comes in to work out on my gym all the time, dude, it's fucking jacked, strong as as shit and he's a kickboxer. And so we would talk a lot afterwards and you'd show me these moves and whatever. And one day I went to the gym where he trains and the dude was hitting a heavy bag

and which is fucking crushing it. And another dude walks in, another big dude, and they're like, Hey, what's going on? What's up, bro? And they kiss each other on the lips. And I'm like, whoa. And so afterwards I'm like, dude, I'm like, I can even make sense. I'm like, is that your boyfriend?

He's like, yeah, yeah, he's like, you didn't know I was gay? I'm like, well, no, I don't know at all. And he goes, why? Because I'm like a tough dude. And I'm like, and I felt stupid. He said, he said, no, it's like, that's just terrible thing.

But I felt so stupid. Because I'm like, well, I guess that's why I thought I didn't think you were, and I remember realizing like, geez, I totally fell into that stereotype, which is obviously not true. Because he could easily, easily kick my ass. Yeah. Yeah.

So anyway. That happened to me once actually, too. You got your ass kicked? Yeah, no. No, one of the guys was super masculine like that. And I was like, I was training him and then I had no idea. And he did all kinds of like sports and stuff. We were like, totally got off and everything was great.

And it was just like, I had no idea. He came in as boyfriend came in and they're hanging out and grabbing ass and stuff. It was interesting. I only feel awkward and weird when I assume that he's heterosexual and he's not. That's when I feel awkward and weird when I assume that he's heterosexual and he's not. That's when I feel awkward. If you're just, I just, you're talking to someone

and to you, to me, I don't see any of those, like you said, stereotypical signs, that would tell me he's gay or not. And then I assume he has a girlfriend or a wife and I ask about his girlfriend. I'm like, oh, so do your girlfriend go here all the time? And it's like, well, it's funny. And then I give you the comfortable,

that'll hammy you. No, my partner and I actually do this. And then I do it again, and then by about the third time, I go, what an asshole I am. Fuck. He was giving me little fucking freebies that let me know. Like he said partner, partner. And I'm just like, yeah, so she this is she.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just totally assume. I know. That's why I love it. Like somebody's like super like out there and like extravagant, you know, it's awesome. You're like, thanks for the side. Yeah, it's like, you know, thanks. You know, like I don't have to guess. It's just one of those stereotypes things, you know, I mean, you know, like the only way

like you would know. We're 35 years old. We grew up in a different era right now. I mean, it's been a trend. I think you're- It's true. 20 younger, it's a total, it's totally different. Oh my God, 18 years ago, it was very different.

You know, the stereotypes were encouraged, I mean, that encouraged, but they were reinforced by a conversation and stuff like that. Now, you know, obviously I know better, but it's pretty, it was pretty funny to see that dude walking and kissing, and I was like, what just happened? See, I don't know.

I always just explodes. I always find it fascinating as a society, how we, like when we were behind, like with our way of thinking, right? Very caveman with that, that mentality. But I also find it crazy how we always tend to go extreme one or the other. It's like, you know, and then like,

I just put everybody in a box. Yeah, I feel like, you know, they go out of their way. And you know what this kind of reminds me of? So, Sal, last night, sends me a text message. Here we go. He sends me it. Yeah, not that one. The one before that actually. Yeah, before you, your mind turned me on so much. He sends me a text message. And Katrina and I were literally just getting ready to Netflix and chill, but literally watch Netflix and documentaries. Oh, it wasn't thanks. Yeah, it wasn't that. So we were in the documentary section. So right now, something that our New Year's resolution, I don't know if I shared this on air or not, but I'll share.

Watch more TV. Yeah. So no, we have decided that our goal is to go at least three to four times out of the week, but we said, you know, never will we let seven days go by where we don't make this time for ourselves. And that sounds weird because we sleep together every single night and we see each other all the time and communicate, but so much of what we communicate and do is related to business and related to other stuff and very surface. And sometimes we can just get tired and just crash and then realize that, hey, we're not always working on our relationship. And I think that's an important thing, especially when you're in one that you've been in for a long time. We've been six years, we've been together, and it's important to set the, create these habits. And so one of these habits that we're trying to create for ourselves is that we do something that is educational for ourselves.

But we also understand it's late at night on a weekday or without that. So part of that, we're okay with it being entertainment. So sometimes we listen to an audio book that we both want to listen to and learn about or one of us will read and share. Sometimes it's just us sharing and talking about stuff. And then sometimes it's watching a documentary where we actually get something from it, right? That's good information. So we are literally doing that when you sent over that text message. So it was perfect.

And then watch the, that was it, was it called minimalism? Yeah, the minimalism or the minimalism, or the minimalist. It's, you know, it's funny. So you're talking about, so this is one of the things I love the most about Jessica. It's like something I absolutely love is when I hang out with people, sometimes I, I have a pretty keen sense of how people receive me. And sometimes I can tell that I'm being annoying or boring. I receive you. Yeah, all of it.

But sometimes I can tell that like if I'm hanging around with people and like, hey, let's watch TV and I'll be like, cool, I can find something good and it's like, I'm gonna watch a documentary and people are like, hey, we go sound something good and it's like, I'm gonna watch a documentary and people are like, everyone's like, here we go, sound. But anyway, I'm hanging out with my girl and I'm like, hey, do you wanna watch Westworld, which by the way, we've been kind of watching a little bit.

And she's like, hmm, she's like, I'm not really in the mood and she goes, hey, you wanna learn something? And I'm just like, oh, damn it! I got the right girl. She's made for you. So that's why we went and looked at the documentaries and we put on, God, we gotta find the right name of it because I don't wanna, I wanna be sure to test it.

Oh, you test the right one because we searched, right away when she searched it, it popped right up. I think either one of those will pop up. But what I, I can't even remember what sent me down this road to why I wanted to share with it, but I thought it was a great message. There was a great message behind the documentary. And so a quick synopsis,

I don't wanna be spoiler, you know, spoiler or anything. I think everybody should watch it. I think there is something to take away from it is the idea of living with just the bare minimums, what you need versus this excessive amount of stuff that we have. And they had some great studies in there. They showed just the increase in sales over the last 20 years, like 1970 and before. There's this pretty natural growth of consumers buying things.

Now, of course, there's things like what's the company that sends everything over that's changing the game? I can't even look at can't I know Amazon? Amazon yeah, Amazon is like obviously been a game changer for the ability for us to buy things and have it the next day And so there's other there's always there's definitely factors But I mean it's like astronomically different. It's like what they were showing because they're showing this growth curve of the amount of stuff That we buy and then it kind of exploded after the 70s and Now we live in how way more space houses are much bigger But we they were putting interesting things out like they did this heat map of where family spend time in their house and

Most people spend about 99% of their time in about 40% of the house. People have a living room and nobody goes in the living room. They have a dining room, nobody eats at that new day. You know, they have several areas to sit down and eat, but they only eat at the kitchen table. There's a patio that nobody spends time in. There's areas of the house that we don't spend time in,

and we've got this big space, but yet, we're not utilizing it, we just have more space, or we just have more stuff. Like, when I was watching, I was thinking about my kids, right? I mean, Justin, I know you can relate to this, like Christmas time. Literally, I'll drive my home, my kids home, from Christmas, with so much shit in the back of my car.

There's no fucking way they'll get through it all. You're already strategizing it. Where can I hide this and then eliminate it? Exactly. Like, they're not even gonna play with it all. No. And then I look at myself and I look at my wardrobe and I open my closet and I'm like, hmm,

I wear the same 10 pieces of clothing all the time and very, very rarely or never. I would argue like fine. Do I wear this other shit? But that's my point. That was kind of the point of this. And what was interesting about it, because they definitely had speakers on there that I think got the message wrong.

Oh, definitely. And it comes off as a religion. I was very interested to see where it was in a go and why you sent me in this direction because I was like, get the fuck outta here. I'm gonna like this thing up at the end of this because I was like, I liked the message, but the problem I have with it is this. Let me back up a little bit.

So what they did really good, and what we're talking about is that I think a lot of us, in general, now this is an over-generalization, but for the most part, a lot of us live in excess. We don't need a lot of the things. I'll be the first one to, I mean, I'm the guy with fucking like 400 pairs of shoes, of course, right?

I have a shoe for every day. So, you know, is that excessive? Sure. But there is a point that they talked about too, where there's certain, there's balance to that, right? Like certain things have meaning to you and have that are important to you and they make you feel good.

Well, that was the message, the message that I got from it, because there were people that were speaking on there, again, where I'm like, okay, they totally don't get it. Like these people are, some of these people use it as religion and I don from it, because there were people that were speaking on there. Again, where I'm like, okay, they totally don't get it. Like, these people are, some of these people use it as religion, and I don't need, I only got what I need, type of deal. But the reality is, is do the things that you own, serve you.

So, for example, Adam, with your shoe collection, you fucking love your shoe collection. You have so much fun with it. It's something you enjoy doing, that's okay. But think of all the things that we own, all the shit that we own that doesn't serve us, that we could give two fucks about, right? That's the difference and that's I think that's amazing.

I'm big on purging. Yeah, that's like one of the big, it's a weight loss therapy things for me. Nothing to do with that, but like, as far as like clutter and shit in my house, like, oh my God, it's such therapy for me to go through and take shit to the dump and just be like, I'll see you later and never again.

And then, you know, that's, you just kind of see this accumulation of stuff that just like sits there and it annoys me because it's, you know that nobody's using this stuff. Why do I even have this here? And I was thinking of, as you guys were talking about this, I haven't seen this documentary yet, by the way. But it reminds me of the last thing

that we watched on tag talks with the guy talking about addiction and how he actually was describing how people have all this space in their house. And we've built all these walls and we're connecting with stuff more than we're connecting with people. And so this is one thing, one of the problems that, you know, even with drugs, it's like a connection that I'm making with this, that I'm not getting from a physical. They got into this, right?

They did. Because this part was interesting to me. The meditative and all that stuff. Yeah, and just the way, and what, how much, and because I feel like it's kind of similar to the message that we give with being the counter to the industry, right? The fitness industry is promoting one message. We really are trying to represent the pushback on that in a sense, right? I feel like the same thing goes with kind of their message with the minimalism is man right now like

Ever advertising and companies are pushing this image when in reality, it's really not like that. And it's unfortunate because where they showed these markers of like the increase of purchases and people buying more and more things, it's like, it's going up the amount of stuff that you don't need when the amount of money that people, the average income and stuff like that, is not increasing at that rate.

So we're just, and they're showing like, especially with like, they talked about people that are depressed and sad like, set more sales, more sales, and you're trying to fulfill this part of your life. And why I like it. Retail therapy. Is I, okay, I remember this.

This was, this happened for me. So I totally connected with these two guys. Both guys had a very similar childhood as mine. So they have these, they have these horrific stories, right? Of their parents and stuff. And you know, what we could talk all day, who's was worse or whatever. But we all had a rough childhood at that. That's funny. I thought the exact same thing when I watched it. Oh, right away. Because I saw it right away. And I was like, Oh, Adam's going to connect with that. Oh, totally,

totally, right. So I totally get what was their drivers. And I also get, I had that moment in my life. And I, And I've kind of briefly shared this on the podcast before where I, you know, I pushed really hard at a young age to be successful. And I used to tell people, I really believed in my head, I was going to be retired by 30, really, really believe that. And I was on a mission to do that. And really what that was was because I didn't have much growing up. And so it motivated me to push at this level. So I connected with those guys and I got that. And then I remember a point in my life

and where I had a lot financially and with tangible things and monetary stuff. Like so once I got that and I realized that my life at that time was no better as far as my happiness and how I felt about my relationships and everything else going on besides my financial success. I actually really, it took a lot for me to step out and go like, wow, I'm nowhere near the happiest

I've ever been in my life, yet I have the most stuff I've ever had in my life. And at that moment, my whole thinking of how I bought things and the stuff that I would go after them completely changed. And someone that's an outsider looking at me, oh, how can you say that? Because you have all these shoes and you're into watches. Well, yeah, there are certain things that I have invested in

that I bought because just like Sal said, I've learned to connect what things do make me happy. I do enjoy having versus the things that were poorly motivated. For example, I was notorious all through my 20s. I was that guy who, when I bring all my friends, and there'd be 10 of us all out, and I picked up every bar tap, because I could, because I could do things like that.

Or I was doing things in excess as far as like spending money on things that were just ridiculous that would never not only hold value, but would also be burnt and gone and vagus trips and crazy stuff like that. Once I realized that these were not fulfilling my life, it changed my whole philosophy, it changed my drive, the way I looked at money, things like that.

So I connected with all that. What I didn't like about it was the extreme side of it where it became almost religious. And then I don't like, the first thing I had to ask myself was, okay, look at these guys, right? And they referenced, like, they moved up in the corporate ladder. So I'm guesstimating that they were making a hundred to a hundred and fifty grand a year, which to me, I've always used a tele Katrina that the difference between 70 and 150 K to me is very, very little. It's not life changing. Making no money and making 70k.

Especially where we live. It's all around. Scientists have actually established that. They've shown that money does buy happiness up to a certain point. Once you have shelter, once you have clothing, once you have food, you have access to certain things, anything over that you don't get any happier. This is why lottery winners are depressed. There's studies done on this on people who win the lottery and it shows their happiness level spikes For about a year and then it goes right back down to where it was before and they're no happier than they were before their purpose

You know like I don't know I I tend to think that like those those types of people like get fortunate enough to get that kind of I tend to think that those types of people that get fortunate enough to get that kind of an influx of cash, like if you can't figure out how to, you know, you put that to use and to work and to help people or to do something with it, then that's the problem. You know, if you're looking at it is like, I just absorbed all of this and this is all about me.

You know, like, I could see that being depressing. Well, see, something I kept, I wrote down and kept just referencing several times as I was watching the documentary, because one thing that I didn't like is how they demonized producers, they demonized industries, you know, like in one scenario they were talking about how the fashion industry, you know, in the 50s and 60s had like three seasons. And now I think there's 56 seasons because their goal is to keep making new clothes and make styles go out faster and new styles come in faster

so people have to keep buying more and more clothes. And it's true, people own ridiculous amounts of clothes especially compared to people 50 years ago. And they're blaming the producers of that, but really it's... That's our own fault. Yeah, that's consumer driven. But here's the thing, like I kept writing this down,

that mankind's greatest strength, it can also be its greatest weakness. Oh, that's one of my, I always say that. One of our greatest strengths is our desire to wanna create more and do better and solve problems, but it also becomes one of our greatest weakness because then we apply it in areas that don't necessarily serve us. For example, we could back off that throttle for sure.

Yeah, for example, like we apply so much of our productive ability to close. And there's some good side effects of that. Look, lots of people make a good living doing it. It's definitely made close, so inexpensive that now, we don't necessarily see people going without clothes anymore. We have so many clothes that we throw them away now, right? So there are some good side effects. But there's also the bad side effect of,

imagine if we took all that productive capability and applied it towards other things. Imagine if we solve the problem with clothes, but then moved away from that and said, okay, now let's solve this other problem. Let's all use our collective of problems. The problems will never move away from it. That's the thing is that in any aspect. I mean, you put any of those things up on the board and you say, like, homes, we figured out how to build an efficient home, like, super, you know, efficient with energy and, you know, everything,

like, maxes, it's max capacity, like, you know, everything is so and you know, everything like maxes it's max capacity like, you know, everything is so efficient, but even then there's gonna be another way that we can improve on that. That's just how we think we've we've just look at one area and one topic and it's just it's we'll never end. It's all the same. I didn't like to like Sal was saying the demonizing part too is like you know I watch it and then you it makes me feel bad because you know We're getting ready to we're like getting ready to house shop right now And we're looking for a house with more square footage right and I already have like 2600 square feet And I want like 3500 square feet. So I'm watching this and I'm like I'm not gonna feel guilty for wanting more more space just because I necessarily don't need only that. Like I'm looking at, even if you did my heat, I want that.

I want to be able to have a room where maybe I can just go, it never gets partly any traffic and I want to go in there and I want to meditate. Well, see, that's what it did for me. What it did for me was in my right, my new place, I have a kitchen and I have a dining room. Like, a lot of houses do, right? But when we were setting it up, you know, Jessica, she's like, she goes,

what do we need a kitchen and a dining room for? We're just gonna eat at one table. I'm like, well, every house has them. She's, and she made me realize how fucking ridiculous it was. And she said, look, this is our place we live here. And how you want, right? And yeah, and watching that made me realize, like, yeah, if you have a big house,

it's great if you use the space for what you want. It's your place like I love steam room right I could build it I'm not gonna feel guilty for having steam room cuz I'm gonna use that shit right to its fullest capacity Yeah, now I will feel guilty if I have this extravagant you know room with fancy couches and shit that nobody ever will Goes in or use it plastic that never comes off. Yeah, then I'm kind of like, okay, well that was a waste. That doesn't, that's serving me. I don't have any value. I say I like that. I think that's a great way to take that because that's exactly how I fell too.

It's just like, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get to that point. I'm watching this guy live in in this house. I think the house was like 400 square feet or whatever and had sliding walls. So if you, they had thought of everything. If you had company over, the wall actually slid and then a curtain went across, and then there was a bed that folded down from the wall on that side.

That's like a little tiny, it was like a citrown. Totally. I mean, they've made these houses. So what I see, I always see, I can't help my mind works backwards as far as like, okay, right away I see the motive of, for the business and the marketing and all that side.

So when I heard the message right away, I'm like, okay, what are we selling? What are we trying to do? What are we trying to do? And sure, here come out all these houses. And I remember when I saw these last year, like molecule homes. Yes, I don't know what they call them.

Like they might call them that. And they think they build them out of like a trailer or something small, right? Yeah, and then they put all these like testimonials of these people. And of course, there's always, I mean, if you do something crazy, like this, or? Yeah, and then they put all these like testimonials of these people and of course there's there's always I mean if you Do something crazy like this or you create a cult of people that want to go to this extreme You're gonna find a couple of these with great stories

Which they did they found a guy that was on Wall Street making ridiculous six figure money and decided that he was just gonna Do get rid of everything and live this minimalist life where he lived his life out of a bag now, which to me that's just It's ridiculous cool. Yeah, I'm all for it if it was for you and you need to Because he he woke up one day and probably went to that extreme of the spectrum and then was just like oh my god This is way too bad and then like went swung all the way the other way, which is fine If that's what you here's the interesting thing here's the thing I challenge that though if you think that's truly healthy Yeah, well what I'm saying what I'm what what we're all gonna go with that is here's a thing number one minimalist Lifestyle exists because we live in a society where we have already created

We get the luxury to do thank you like you don't you don't see people in third world countries going I'm gonna live a minimal like they're they're not concerned with what an excellent point in fact in altogether in one bet Yeah, in fact, it's only pop it's almost pompous of us Bro, let me tell you some in fact that documentary which is kind of anti-stuff, right? Could you get that vibe a little bit? Although the although the hosts of it do a good job of saying, look, it's not about consumption, consumption is not a problem. It's about compulsory consumption. It's that having a problem where you're consuming things that you don't really want, you buy things you don't need and you don't want, that don't bring you value, that I understood. But as you're watching it, you get this kind of vibe of anti-wealth, anti-buying things, anti-having stuff.

And I was watching that, and I'm thinking to myself, holy shit, this is the best commercial ever for capitalism, because if you're in a country that's poor and you're watching that, you know what you're saying yourself? Look at these motherfuckers, they're so rich. They're downgraded. They're so rich that they're complaining, they have so much stuff, that they wanna just go back,

they're like, they have so much stuff that it's making them sad. That's what I see from it. But really, here's the thing. Here's the wonderful thing about progressing with my own kind, especially when it comes to, because, look, markets are not perfect because humans are not perfect.

But what markets do very well is they take bunch of people who are just interested in serving themselves Which is human nature, okay? Because that's how humans are and it gets us to work together with that actually Consciously trying to work together like if I'm buying something from you We're making a conscious effort to work together and all the people that work to make your product Consciously worked together, but they did they organize each other to work together If you're making a tennis shoe where there were,

there's several steps that go into making the rubber of the shoe. There's several steps that go into making the laces and putting these things in. All these people work together to do that, but they did it on accident because they were all serving their own self-interest. And that's kind of the beauty of how markets work.

But here's what's interesting. Here's the best part about the minimalist message in regards to that is if people truly, truly just went out and just did with what they thought brought them value, true value, versus the whole, I'm going to get this because I'm supposed to or I'm going to buy this because I think I need to or because it's going to fill this empty hole in me. If you really went out and did and bought and consumed the things that you really understood and really thought and felt that really served you, we would make markets so much fucking better. The world would be better as a result and a lot of the negatives that we see from markets like

or like this ridiculous consumption and consumption of things that sometimes you look at and you go, well that's fucking stupid. Why are we spending so much time making these things and doing these things? It would refine itself into something so much better. If people truly went out and really knew and really said to themselves, is this bringing me value? Do I really need these things here

that I'm not gonna actually use when I could take that? Yeah, you have to deprogram like every single person in America that have been programmed since they're a little kid to buy whatever this or that, that they're marketing so hard at you. Well, dude, I do think it's just to evaluate what is this gonna bring me benefit?

Think about all the shit that we consume because and buy and use because of the artificial sense of status. I need to have the status. Like I'm gonna buy all this bullshit to put on my clothes or whatever so that other people think I'm better or whatever, but it's not serving me. I don't really want it.

It's just because I think it's giving, that's just an example of what I'm talking about. If we went out and actually bought the things that we thought really served us and did the things that really, truly served us, then the market would produce more of those things and it would be truly reflective of what we really want, what really does us, you know, what does us good. And you can't help but apply this to our industry, to the fitness industry. Look at, imagine if people went out with fitness and said,

okay, what's truly serving me? What am I truly gaining value? Well, that's the magic behind maps, bro. That's the magic behind maps is the simplicity of it, is doing the least amount that you need to do to get the most amount of, and it's like the same process of getting rid of the shit that is not providing you much

in your life and focusing on the thing that does provide you a lot. I love the YouTube project that went viral from this mindset which was the project 333 right project 333 which is the idea of three months of living off of 33 items and that includes all your accessories hats underwear socks shoes all of that and Showing people that could do that could you do this for three months? And I really like that. I like that as an exercise right like so when I see something like this right away Of course my mind goes okay. Here's the business pitch out of this these guys are gonna make millions of dollars Which to me I go like let's find a you know, okay here

Here's one I bet you didn't do which I did because I was going this way. So right away, I evaluate, okay, these guys probably made a hundred something grand that whatever realized they chased this and that's not where true happiness is. Now they're making millions off their documentary. So now they're going to make millions off this documentary. So I decided to start Google searching these guys and look deeper into their personal lives. Where they're at currently, because this documentary was done about a year ago.

I can't find anything because these kids are very, they're very currently because this documentary was done about a year ago. I can't find anything because these kids are very, they're very smart the way they did their, they even created their own Wikipedia, which they're the only ones that have created. So if you go to their Wikipedia, you can see it's, and it's all linking back to their website. They own like all the pages of anything related to their name, minimalist, minimalism. So they bought some, some firm of online firm to go ahead and sort of wipe and clean slate all of their data and their information. So that and why I was digging into that

because I was really... You wanna see if they're hypocrites? Yes, I wanna see if these guys now have got millions of dollars and they're living in their 400 square foot house or they're, you know, and I doubt, I mean, you would be a real idiot to go out and spend money on something that ridiculous

right away after making your first million But you know even to see where they're how they're living their lifestyle now See their argument their whole argument it would be hard to prove that because then they could say What this brings me value see their message that they themselves were pointing out wasn't necessarily That you live a only Necessary life where all I have is you know one toothbrush one cup one It's just I'm only going to consume the things that truly serve me. And think about that.

When you go buy something, when you go do something, ask yourself that. Like, is this really serving me? For example, I'll give you a great example. Scientists have established now in several studies that when people spend money on things, they get way less in terms of happiness and self fulfillment than if they spend money on experiences. Experiences give people way more. So if I took $2,000 and bought the coolest electronics speaker system or whatever in my

house versus taking two grand and going on an awesome hiking trip out in the mountains with a guide and learning how to meditate or whatever, I'm going to get much more value out of that experience than it will out of the $2,000 on stuff. And the reason, the easy way to figure that out for yourself is to do that process before you go buy something, is this really serving me? And here's another example. We talked about this the other day in an episode I didn't think it has air yet, but we talked about gyms and the cost of a gym membership. Like people, people freak out. If a gym membership is over like 30 bucks, people like, oh my God, it's so much money. Like if you use it and it's really serving you and you're getting

fit and healthy, God, that's worth way more than than 30 bucks. Think about how much money you waste on bullshit. Yeah. You know, every single week, right? But of course, it's your own value. That's an actual point of course, it's your own value. It's your own value. That's an excellent point. I think it's an excellent point. Now I want to get back to like, as far as maps is concerned and like,

just cutting through a lot of the fluff. So, you know, like, when you're looking at like programs, what's hyped, what's hyped the most? It's, it's, look at this person, look how sexy they are, look at, like everything is about some person that's like promoting this thing. And like, who gets a fuck about that person?

What is it gonna do for me? And so, like, you know, that's a struggle that we've mentioned a long time ago and we were first kinda starting out with the podcast is that's an uphill battle for us, because, you know, do we do all these hero shots? So do we make this all about what we look like and what we're doing awesome shit

that other people are getting quote unquote inspired by, or do we just give them what works and what the meat and potatoes is for them to see immediate progress and result. And this is how I feel with when I buy books. And when I, and like, people ask me if I read, and yes, I do read, I definitely prefer the books that cut out all the bullshit and all this stuff about,

here's my bio, and here's what I've accomplished so far. And I don't give a shit. What are you trying to tell me? Yeah. And this is, it can be applied to like, we talk about supplements all the time, right? The average fitness consumer of supplements got to spend over a hundred dollars a month on stuff that is giving them what? Like, what are they getting from that? Think about that for a second now. Let's say I spend a hundred dollars a month on supplements, and we know the vast majority of supplements do shit.

They do jack shit for you. But let's just pretend that they give me, I don't know, two extra pounds of muscle a year from spending $1,200 a year or investing 12. So I've invested $1,200 a year to gain those two pounds of muscle. Or I could take $1,200 and what else could I put that in that may serve me better, may serve me more, rather than falling for that whole compulsory consumption model of buy more supplement, buy this, buy this new, this new drink, this new.

Oh, you could go to someone's seminar, like you can go to one of those. Yes, I mean kidding me, for $1,200, you can go listen to them. You could hire a good fucking, like a really good trainer for 10 workouts. Do those over the course of 10 weeks and you'll get way more benefit.

It'll serve you way more. You'll do more than build two pounds of muscle and you'll have an incredible experience versus I get this, you know, fruity, you know, chemical, late-end drink, you know, sent to me, you know, every single month, you know what I'm saying? Well, you know, that's, isn't that crazy every single month, you know what I'm saying? Well, you know, that's isn't that crazy too.

Like, that's why supplements fall in this sweet spot of like pricing too, right? It's just gotta be just low enough that people go like, ah, it's worth the try. It's kinda like buying grocery. Yeah, it's like, it's 20 to $50 a shot each time I do one of these bottles and it's like, yeah, it's worth the try.

And if I, and of course course they tie it to some guy, like you said, that looks amazing and he was badass and, you know, says he takes this stuff every single day and that's how he got there when there's a hundred other things, disciplines that he's taught himself to get his physique to look like that has nothing to do with that supplement, you know. So here's an interesting study I'd like to do.

I would like to take a group of people and divide it in half of beginner to intermediate people. So just regular jokes, right? And half of them I'd like to invest $500 a month in the cutting, most cutting-edge supplements that we just give them. And then they go do their own workout, whatever. The other half, I'd like to take $500 a month

and invest it in professional coaching from the best coaches and personal trainers who can work with them online or virtually just kind of show them what to do. Or education seminars. Or education seminars or great exercise programming. Split them up, take the same investment, give them six months, and then see the difference in results. There's no doubt, actually, there's no doubt in anybody's mind. Ladies and gentlemen, if you, your favorite fitness

celebrity that's selling you all this bullshit supplements, you pose this question to them, you will paint them in a corner, they will not be able to answer because they know the answer, they know what the answer is. And the answer is that the $500 a month investment in professional coaching or good exercise programming or education will kick, it won't just, it won't even be close.

It will kick the shit out of the post it's long lasting. That's what I'm saying. It'll blow it the fuck away. And so when it comes through I know we're a fitness podcast. That's why I keep trying to bring it back there to apply there. But if you ask yourself that question, is this serving me? How is this serving me? Is this something that I truly value? You will take whatever money you have to invest in your fitness, wellness, health, and longevity, and it will be spent much, much more wisely. Well, I think there's a lot to learn with this mentality,

and that's why I probably struck a core is because, like, same thing with exercises, like there's a specific number of exercises we know creates the most benefit, right? And to be a minimalist, I would focus just on mastering like these five lifts. Wow, you know what, what a great point like. Are we not minimalists?

That's what I meant about. This is what maps represents. It represents, it represents like, if you were going to do a bare minimum amount of stuff, these are the moves. We're not saying that people can't build off of this or you can't modify, that's, we encourage that with people's progress.

In fact, we include modifications. Yes, but the idea and the point that we're trying to get across is listen, if you do these basic movements three times a week, watch, watch what the fuck happens, absolutely. Yeah, most of it is psychologically, like we just, it's tough. It's tough to kind of keep going through

the process of like, well, I have these things and it's so simple, it's just, you know, I feel like there just needs to be more and I need to like clutter my program with all this other like fancy moves and I see this Instagram person doing this and that and it's a lot like having a shit ton of clothes, you know, that you never wear.

It's just like, what's the point? You know, you wanna just keep putting all these clothes on top of each other? Or are you gonna stick with what, you know, you look awesome? What serves you, you know, say what serves you best? There should be nothing, there shouldn't be a single exercise movement or whatever in your workout

that does not somehow serve your fitness or wellness or whatever your goal or target is. Now if your goal or target is simply to, I just want to work out, I don't give a shit if it does anything for me. I just like to exercise. Well, you don't need a program. Just go into a gym and just start doing random shit. But if that's not you, and I know that's most of you are not that person, there shouldn't

be a single thing in your program that doesn't serve you. If you list your priorities of things or the things that you know are gonna serve you most in terms of fitness and health, it would be two categories of things. Actually, it would be a few categories, but the top two would be how you work out and how you eat.

And if you broke down how you ate, it would be whole natural foods. It would be foods that nourished your body. It wouldn't be, you know, this bar or this powder or this, you know, whatever, chemical, whatever, or I need to have the sweet tasting something, so I'm doing this artificially flavored, you know, whatever. I mean, again, if it truly serves you, that's fine. But I think if you ask yourself that question, most of you will say, it doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't really do me any good. If you approach your fitness and health with this minimalist, and I hate to, I hate to label that minimalist attitude, but if you approach it with this attitude of, is this going to serve me,

you'll find that the decisions you make and the things that you do for your, for your health and wellness will be the things that will make the biggest changes and how you feel both mentally, physically, even spiritually, everything from sleep, meditation, the kind of food that affects your gut microbiome, like all these things that are very, very important that serve you, you'll find that that's where your money time and energy are gonna go,

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