Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 492: Box 'N Life Interviews Mind Pump (Part 1 of 2)

Episode Date: April 17, 2017

In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin are on the other end of the mics as they are interviewed by Olympic medalist Tony Jeffries and Glenn Holmes of Box 'N Burn and the Box 'N Life podcast down in Los Angeles, California. (www.boxnburn.com) This is PART 1 of a two part episode. To listen to PART 2 go to the Box 'N Life podcast on iTunes, Soundcloud, Stitcher and other popular podcasting apps. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Got a beard? Condition your beard with Big Top Beard Company’s natural oils and organic essential oil blends to make it not only feel great but smell amazing! Get Big Top Beard Company products at www.bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Introduction of Tony Jefferies and Glen Holmes (2:09) o   Their certification at Mind Pump Media coming up Discussion into accents / language among communities (5:27) o   Emoji’s o   VR Porn Where do the Mind Pump guys get all their knowledge from? (12:44) o   Passion and constantly learning o   Internships and apprentices  What is their take of fasting protocols/benefits? (20:04) o   Very individual o   Good relationship with food o   Time windows o   Mental clarity o   Not to fast for weight loss Thoughts on cheat meal/day (30:09) o   Keto diet o   Lactose intolerant How to research information / opposing arguments? (36:55) o   Ideologies Related Links/Products Mentioned Mind Pump 30 Days of Coaching (Studies now linked!) Box N Burn Academy Box N Life podcast (iTunes) The Emoji Is the Birth of a New Type of Language (article) Calorie Data to Be Posted at Most Chains (article) Fasting Guide Does Intermittent Fasting Boost Your Metabolism? (article) Are Native Americans, as a rule, lactose-intolerant? (article) People Mentioned: Dr. Valter Longo Robb Wolf Paul Chek

I'm super pumped dude, you know what's on the 30 days of coaching now? What? What is it man? Now we've got, because okay, we promised everybody when we released this, okay? The 30 days of free coaching with Mind Pumped that, it would be an evolving project for us, meaning that it's going to continue to get better and better and better and better. And most part, everybody absolutely fucking loved this. And the only thing I ever had people ask us was, hey, where did you guys get all this

information and where the studies are talking about this? So now we have the studies linked right there for those of the nerds and the science people that want to dive in. Yeah, we want to cross references. So you can go into all the studies. But the 30 day of coaching is absolutely free. The concept behind that was this is how we take somebody through 30 days. If you were privately training with one of us Three it's a collaboration of all three of us the things that we discuss with our clients the topics we go over and Then each day you're gonna get dripped a specific topic. So for example day one you get protein on the protein Give you some quick bullet points on things that you need to know

Underneath that our episodes that link to the exact minute where we go into depth about that conversation. So with the topic you really wanna learn about, you can dive through all kinds of content relating to that plus the studies are on there and an area for you guys to comment on. And you know what, I wanna tell people this, if you make it through the 30 days,

which is awesome, people have been doing this like crazy, because again, it's compelling information. You make it to the 30 days, there's some surprises at the end there. It's really, really cool. And again, it's still free. And I say still, because we're bolstering it and bolstering it. I can't imagine, I mean, this thing's gonna be so fucking awesome now.

I can't believe I can't imagine how awesome it's gonna be even a few months or a year from now, which by the way, once you have access to it, you always have access to it. But I don't know, at some point it might not be free, but right now it's still free. So all you do is go to mindpumpmedia.com and just opt in. That's all you gotta do,

and you get this information. Do it. If you wanna pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, op, mind, op, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. We're here. We are here at Blocks and Burn motherfuckers. Oh, fucking yeah. Oh my god, dude, I'm so excited. So very happy. We got the what the fur, the part one of a two-part

series interview, right? First time that we're doing this, actually, what we're gonna do with our boys is we're going to split the episode up, but don't get pissed off. It's gonna drop at the exact same time. This is the first half, and then you're actually gonna go over to the Boxing Burn podcast to get the second half. Yeah, great time. We had a great time talking to Tony Jeffreys and Glenn Holmes, both as tough as their names sound.

Yes. Great, great time at the pocket. We were actually the ones being interviewed, which doesn't happen too often, but we had a nice, we like, you know, ask us questions about ourselves. Can we talk about our favorite subject? Come on, great. They have the Boxing Life podcast, Bernden, Boxing Bernden Academy. Jesus Christ, for the first time he's done this. I've never read before. We have the academy happening at our place at the Mind Pump Media Studios, right?

We're doing the certification. Yeah, super pumped. Which is gonna be pretty awesome. So you learn how to be able to teach boxing for a workout. It's one of the best certifications I've seen. Yeah, but let's talk about why I think this is so awesome. And I remember being a trainer. This is one of the things right away I was drawn to these boys

was it used to drive me fucking crazy. You see the trainer using the mitts like an asshole. Yes, they know nothing about boxing. I was always as a trainer, I was always, I wanted to use the mitts, but I was intimidated because I didn't want to be that asshole. I didn't want to be that guy. Teaching boxing when I have no business,

I've never been top boxing. Yes, you're respectful. So I feel like every trainer that has ever wanted to teach clients that, this is a must. They're actually, I believe, Tony partnered with NASM. I think you do get credit from CEOs. You get some credit, so if you're a trainer,

you will get some credit with their certification. And it's taught, the curriculum is written by boxers, like with high level skill, so it's not bullshit. It's really, really good. How would someone sign up for this? How would someone get, so if you wanna sign up to that, you that you go to the box and burn academy.com and look on there And yeah, you're right. We got to see you use in nasam isis a EFA is this?

Yeah, that one so yeah You read like sound you read like sound can you read your own fucking board over there? Yeah, so one day you read your own fucking board over there? What's going on? What else are we doing over there? Yeah, it's a one-deaf certification course where we teach boxing specific warm-ups, Robin Hans, and the big thing is the mid-work, where, like you said, you see so many people, well, I'm going to clue what they're doing and we really have to be with that. Because boxing is one of the best forms of workouts

that you can do. It's an incredible work that we actually did a video with you on my pump TV where you were showing Justin, you know, some basic techniques. And it's quite impressive, obviously, learning from someone who's world class, you can tell the attention to detail and the way you teach it's a whole nother level.

So without any further ado, you're gonna hear Boxing Burn actually interviewing Mind Pump. Again, this is the first part of a two-part series. After you're done with this episode, make sure you go to Boxenburn podcast and listen to the second half. Boxen Life Podcast. Sorry, Boxen Life Podcast. Boxen Life Podcast. On the second half's the best, so make sure you do get that. He did take the best. He's like, oh, take the second half, because we're pretty much...

You guys were pretty much shit the first first half hour I wish I had an English accent How much plus you get with an English accent? He's not me. I don't know. I'm easy. So easy. How do you know? How do you know? It's easy Listen to you Fouls of women at being you know, it's it's a well-known fact. And here, if you have an English accent, it's instant, you're instantly sophisticated. Do you know what?

Should we talk about this one? Yeah, yeah, it's cool. So yeah, yeah, it's not just women who like it, men like it as well. And you're women. Well, yeah. No, no, I mean, no, I mean, men like you guys, like you all stand up me now.

You're right, I have you're right I have this weird You toxic cool. I used to be the same when I was back home and I dear an American guy talk or I was like American bands and stuff and see them live and then when they talk I'd be like whoa He sounds cool Really? You sound weird especially on we don't get many American people left in the north of England. See we should go there. You should go there Yeah, well sounds so good. I was like a reason it's the opposite right. Huh? It's where we are wherever you're at The opposite right? Yeah, exactly. It's the opposite even like I said we're men and people who come to Jamal

They're amazed we accent and the lover and the ass you are you from all that sort of great Especially in this town where a network and massive, you meet loads of people because you accent. Well, I've just done a tweet this morning actually, because I get asked all the time, oh, what part of Australia you're from? No. Oh, what part of Ireland you're from?

Oh, everything. I've never had one person say, oh, you're from Sunderland, not once. You know? And the thing we're Americans as well, I don't know, can you agree? Like, the all sound about the same. Americans.

Yeah, there's pretty much like, I'd say, four American accents, right? You got your East Coast, West Coast, North and South. Yeah. And in England, we always say you can travel, where I'm from, you can travel 10 minutes and this bit say, we're different. It's an old country, that's why.

It's good, it's an old country. Our accents haven't had enough time to develop here. Yeah, right. You know, when you were old countries, you hear that. I mean, it's so fascinating to me, our accents develop and grow, it's crazy. It's such old country, our accents haven't had enough time to develop here. Yeah, right. You know, when you would old countries, you hear that. I mean, it's so fascinating to me, I'll, I'll, accents develop and grow. It's crazy, such a weird thing. So is that, is that your theory? Then you think that in another two, three, five hundred years, we're going to have like,

San Jose will be like, talk one way, LA will talk another way. No, not moving, not moving forward because the world's gotten smaller and people travel so much and hear each other so much on social media and internet. But back, if you go back, you know, two, three, four, five hundred years or a thousand years, people didn't move very far. They couldn't, it took a long time to get anywhere.

So people developed a way of talking within their communities and in the old, old countries, you get dialects. So like you go to China, you go to Italy, you go to Greece, you hear different dialects and different regions. Well, Trip on this, you see what's going on with emojis and what they're what they're talking about predicting in the future with that that we're actually going to go back to looking at like image GIFs instead of

Think about it. You can put like three or faster emojis together and when you look at it You can put together almost a paragraph what you're trying to say. He always sends the eggplant one Every time and we know it's going down in the future I was to know so when you type the word and give you the remote. Yes They're pushing that to go that direction so you're already seeing actually companies start to market this way also Right companies like pizza hut. I can't a couple other ones. I was reading this article But it's kind of fascinating when you think about that that we may not even like type out words or anymore. Could it be a trend that is gone again in 10 years?

Or is it something that's he is standing in? You know why? Do you want to know why? Do you want to know why? Because it feeds right into this frenzy of downloading and giving your brain information at a faster rate instantly. If it was the other way, I would say that, or if it was a lateral move, and I say oh it could be a trend will go away

But because it's it's improving the amount of information that you can download faster than I know in language language Develops all right, you know over time it develops based on the culture and our culture now is Text it's internet. It's the slaying has changed already. I have two kids already they say words I'm like what the fuck are you saying? I have no idea what you're talking about And attention spans are going to much more sure and now the world just even tenure ago like I've said it before But when Facebook was like a big long steers, then I went down to 140 carriages on Twitter Then I went to Instagram just fucking pictures You know when even sure that on Snapchat where it's just you just just press it, so attention spans, so this here, you know,

it makes a lot of sense. Well, and this is also why we see industries like meditation and stuff on a huge rise, because that's- Trying to offset it. Exactly, that's the off-send day. Counter this, because you have no attention span, you're downloading all this information, you're never present.

So, and people are starting to put that together. In fact, you're seeing things like anxiety and depression start to continue to rise. And I think that's part of it. Yeah. People aren't slowing down. Right. Yeah. Non-stop.

We need more float tanks. Yeah. And then with the instant Tennessee stuff like Uber now, movies, remember when you're used to weird. Remember when you started weird to listen to the radio for a song to come on. Yeah. You know, you'd be sitting there all day and sitting there with the cassette. Did you do that that America as well

Oh, we talked about this on mine pump. I remember it vivid memory, right? I'm actually do you remember a song? I'll give you one in former by snow. I remember I remember I remember I remember being a kid I'm swimming in our little doughboy pool my boots outside my tape all ready to go and waiting all day for that I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do.

I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do.

I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. I know I do. Do you remember that? You get a magazine, a dirty magazine you would like the man. You can trade it for anything. Kids would give away their bike for a dirty magazine.

I'm not even joking. Today you couldn't do that. No, it's just on your phone instantly as soon as you want it. Well, this is also... I was watching it earlier. Those same kids are getting desensitized, right? Because now it's like they're having erectile dysfunction at like 30 years old. Earlier in the 20s.

Yeah, 20 years old, you see that. You see huge rise in that right now. Crazy, right? Adam's an expert. Yeah, I tell you, you see huge rise in that right now. Crazy, right? Adam's an expert. Yeah, tell you what, that's f**king sex life. And what we were talking about on our last podcast was about virtual reality, now, now they're going to come up with virtual reality porn. So now, you're on top of a pot chick, you know, and you're there.

Hold on a second, when's this coming up? Well, we got a whole live, bro. You got to get shit. Yeah, we got a lady called Holly Van der Lu is one of the biggest point directly isn't the world She was telling us all about it on the show and yeah, it's gonna come out so you're there with a ten oh a ten chick Every single time and now you've got to go back to your misses who's fucking six We know how Guys virgins ever going to get fucking late and when when they do how they're going to be comfortable?

Why would they want to you know we yeah exactly I mean because you're fucking your hand. You know actually you know actually fucking the virtual reality thing What about when they what about when it's a Yeah, yeah, what about when they make the robots or realistic? Oh We get real wipes right? Well, you know they haven't that device now You stick on top right the girl on the other end of it during the operator that operates So she's like has an apparatus. She's sticking up in there and everything and you're feeling everything shit

Yeah, you try that there No, I saw it, but I haven't yeah Sex lives are gonna be ruined right right? That was my... I was looking at your mind pump Instagram, do you the deal? When you asked for questions, and I was saying you got hundreds of questions, people asking you questions. And there was questions about everything

from post-neil, we at last to create aint, to build a muscle, to everything. And I just made a think, wow, these guys are really small bastards if you can answer these questions. No, we don't. We actually hate someone to do that. But there wasn't a question on there about how it lasts longer in bed. We don't know the answer. We sit down and wheelhouse bro.

Where do you get, I mean obviously you've got some loyal followers and loyal supporters because I was reading and maybe almost seeing about how well your sure is and how much it's helped and they're in their lives, where do you get all this knowledge from? Because obviously, it's a smart bastard. I went into it. It's just years and years and years in the industry. Jesus Christ, date the fuck out of us.

Here, junior decade. I've been doing it for 20 years. I was writing it on stone. These guys, these guys almost, almost, 15 last time. 20 for me, he adds three years every time. Well, it's easily. Like 45 years, I, it's just, it's like 45 years. I know I'm 38, but it's 45 years.

I started like 10. I started 18 years old and 38 years old. It's 20. You're one year older than me, dude. That's a long time. That's a long time. But really, when you've been doing it as long as we have and you have a passion for it, you can't help but learn

a lot all the time. And it's not on purpose, you know. It's like you go out, because I think between the three of us, it's not like we've held tons of certifications or had lots and lots of formal education. We've had what you need to in order to work in this industry, but just we just have passions for it. So we constantly are learning.

And it's constantly evolving to you. You have to stay on top of what's changing, right? And if you're not, you're gonna get left behind. Well, this is, you buy nature of being in it. You're always on top of it. We, right? And if you're not, you're gonna get left behind. So, by the nature of being in it, you're always on top of it. You see a big problem with that. Yeah, especially in the certification realm, it's like, you only get so much from going through

these processes where, I'm learning from a textbook, I'm learning the methods and everything in theory, but I haven't put any of this to practice yet. And for us, we really focused on the experience of it, and then as we went along, we really sought these other methods and decided whether or not they're valid. So yeah, yeah. So what would you say the best we have studied

and learned all this stuff is? You know, I wish, I'll tell you what, I wish, because personal training certifications, the academic, they'll give you the information that you want to start with. But the way I think it should be done is I think there should be an internship. I think you should be an apprentice for a year or so because the most I ever learned was just on the job working with people, training others, working with other trainers.

And when you're working with clients, if you're really passionate about being a trainer, you really learn a lot about what actually works. And that just what works. Here's a big difference between what works on paper and what works in real life. Because in real life, you have to take into account, is the person going to do it? Are they going to enjoy it? The psychology behind. Because I could tell anybody what I know is going to work here. Do your cardio, work out, here's your diet, do it, and you're going to lose weight and

get in shape. But I'm not factoring in the psychological component. I'm not factoring in. That's the biggest piece, which is the most and the most neglecting. I mean, that's your diet, do it, and you're gonna lose weight and get in shape, but I'm not factoring in the psychological component. I'm not factoring in any of the- That's the biggest piece, which is the most- And the most neglecting. I mean, that's what we all tapped into. Yeah, we figured that out. It's like really about the psychology

of the individual coming into the situation and how can we steer them correctly. Well, we also, and I know Sal is talking about other places, but that's why we created MindPump, is because we wanted to be that place. Like, we wanted to be the place that if you're a trainer, or even if you're just someone passionate about fitness and you want to learn, and you want to do it in a way that's not like opening a textbook and sitting down and reading it from front to back, that's a lot of what we

try and provide. You give a little bit of entertainment, and I don't even say entertainment. I hate saying entertainment because I'm like like we script anything or we act out. But we give the information the way I would teach it to a client, which is the simplest way I can deliver it to them to get across what they need to know, to get to their goals. And the problem with academia is they're so concerned about who's more right.

And then they almost... They forget. Yeah. And the message they deliver, only a trainer's somebody that's really into the science is Gonna absorb it and then the rest of people it normally turns them off and it just confuses them because there's so many conflicting theories that are out there I'll give you a great example of the human psyche and how if you don't take that into account what you think may work actually backfires I'll give you a great example I don't know what town or city this was but they

enacted a law because they were trying to combat obesity of obesity is a huge epidemic in the western societies it's poised to bankrupt uh... country arc of america it's uh... it's uh... it's poised to bankrupt as if we don't get a handle on it and people are educated more than ever on calories you know you got to take in less calories in your brain that's how you lose weight and so the city said, hey, why don't we make it a rule or a law that

all restaurants have to display calories, proteins, fats, and carbs on all their menus. So when you look in the menu or you look in a fast food restaurant, you can see how many calories each thing was and they thought to themselves, well, this will help because now people are more informed. And what they found was that when they put the numbers up, people actually ate more calories. Because this is the human psyche part. Instead of people looking at the Big Mac and then looking at the chicken salad and saying,

oh I'll say, you know what, I should get the chicken salad because it's 200 calories less. What they're doing is saying, holy shit, for only 200 more calories, I can get the Big Mac. So I'm gonna get the Big Mac instead. They justified it and they found it did the absolute opposite. Now as trainers who've worked with people for years and years and years, we know that part is extremely important

and we understand how to communicate what we're trying to get across to get people to get to their goals. And there's a lot of things that are underlying. It's not nearly as simple as they make it sound. Well, I'd also say that we're probably better communicators than we are even trainers, right? I think that's what we probably pride ourselves on is that ability to communicate to.

Because we made a lot of the same mistakes that a lot of the trainers are still making and we're making 10, 15 years ago because we didn't know any better. And a lot of the information that was given to us was biased. The people that dominate the fitness industry in the market right now are you know, supplement companies and companies that have bias that want you to push this for this

reason. And so even the studies that are out there, so if you're even somebody who's looking out for more knowledge and information, it's even tough to know what you're reading is good information just because it was published by somebody and you know, you think, oh, it's a study, you know, these doctors did it, it must be right, but what you don't know is the behind the scenes of why they even ran that study, because all they're really trying to do is promote something. When really you strip everything away, you realize it's splitting hairs on what the difference is going to make in your actual, your actual journey. And not only that, but I'll give you another example. We've all heard of low fat, we've

all heard a low car, right? Have you ever heard anybody promote and say, hey, you should do a protein fast. You should go low protein for a week or for a day or for a few days. Never. Protein powders are among the top selling supplements on the market. They're huge, right?

There's real benefits to going low protein sometimes. Absolutely. It's part of the fasting protocol. If you want to improve the cell regeneration process, if you want to kill off old cells, avoiding protein, along with carbohydrates, is one of the best things you could possibly do. This is why fasting, one of the reasons why fasting is so healthy. But you'll...

Simulate it better, too, and you reintroduce it. Absolutely. Your body actually becomes desensitized if you eat protein all the time at high levels, but don't ever tell you that. I just want to switch on the fasting thing. What have you found to be the most effective, what's the word on the menu? Component to it? No, like frequency.

Okay. So, some people say like 30 days, I've heard that number coming down a little bit more, like people say every two weeks, even less than that now, it's getting more and more frequency. Well, it's extremely individual. It's very, very individual. So if you have, I'll give you an example. Wait, before you go on to your example,

one of the things that we always like tell people, because we wrote a book on fasting, and we talk about it a lot on our show. But one of the things we always preface with is that it's an advanced technique of eating. And that sounds weird, right? Because it's not eating. Like how the fucking advanced is that really, right?

But why it's advanced and I just had this conversation with an old friend of mine that I was helping out right now. And he said, you know, I heard you guys talk a lot about fasting, so I'm gonna start fasting. I'm gonna fast tomorrow, I'm like, whoa, whoa, pump your brakes. Let's first learn about what your body needs before you start just starving it for 20-something

hours. Regardless of what the science says as far as benefits, you have the wrong connection with it. You're doing it because you want to lose weight. That's not the reason why you should fast. You should fast for all the other benefits that you're getting from it. Like, neurogenesis, like, appetite, control. You're doing...

There's a whole bunch of them, but that's the reason why you should do it Not because you think it's gonna speed up your results because then then you have a bad relationship with food Then you start to connect. Oh, okay. Don't eat this helps me lose weight, right? Do you know what they call fasting a bad relationship with fasting for losing weight and a rexia? See people people don't they don't make that connection so you So when it comes to fasting, I mean, to your original question in terms of what's the best way to do it, it's very individual. Fasting, and the experts on fasting,

we'll say it is not a stress on the body. And the past that actually made that mistake and said, it's a stress on the body and it causes adaptations. Dr. Valtolongo, who's one of the foremost researchers on the subject, says, no, it is simply another operating system for the body. And both of them are essential. Many of the benefits of fasting come from when you eat afterwards. So you lose all these old cells, and then you rebuild them again, and you become more, literally more youthful. But here's a deal with fasting. If you are in a high-stressed state, if you're fatigued, if you're a woman,

if you have low thyroid or you have hormonal issues, fasting can in fact make things a lot worse. So you have to come at you, you want to use fasting according to how healthy or how fit your body is and how your body can respond. Men can typically do it more frequently and get better results. Women, if they fast too often or too long,

they'll get symptoms of hair loss, hormonal fluctuations, probably because the female body evolved to bear children. It thinks it's starving and it starts to have these kind of stress responses, if you will. It's very, very individual. But the benefits, the science will say that the benefits of fasting, kicking, I think at 17 or 18 hours or something like that, that's when you really get the benefits of fasting. They kick in at 12. I typically tell people 17 to 24, but I know we

totally danced around the question as far as giving you a, I'm recommending somebody who has a good relationship with food, we've made it past that, we've been training for a while, I feel confident, okay, how would I teach you? I would give it to you once a week. That's it once a week fast. That's it. It was once a week. Yeah Like I've thought about trying to fast and incorporate it into what I do But I've kind of come to the conclusion that I'm too active I'm too Go go go all the time and need energy in my body I'm shredding like three four thousand calories per day doing what I do

So I just feel like I wouldn't be productive You'd be very surprised in fact yes No, I understand what you're saying because it could be difficult to get enough calories within a short You know period of time. I mean that's drugled to get enough calories as it is like quality calories as it is Yeah, yeah, I would see that so I would definitely use it judiciously, but you can simply eat within a window, a time window, eight hours, you know, and then get your calories within that and maybe do it once a week, and then you get the benefits. There's some interesting evidence that is showing, and it's not proven yet, but it's showing that there may actually be a better adaptation response to people who fast. So you may actually build muscle or become more fit or whatever at a faster rate if you

utilize fasting now. If you look at the science behind the class. That's clear though. That sounds confusing when you say it like that. That's like, it's not because you're fasted that you're going to build more muscle. That'd be impossible. What's the benefits that you get from it as far as you being more sensitive? Of course.

Yeah. Of course. That it's not because you actually fast it. And so, and this is like, well, that's what that makes sense. It's like resetting your sensitivity to exactly protein intake. Exactly. Exactly. So now your body's going to assimilate it so much better.

OK. But someone like games are a warrior diet or something like that, where you're your windows a little bit later in the day. Yeah. So you're actually more fasted throughout the morning and throughout the afternoon. Right. That makes sense.

I don't, I don't recommend it, though, too. If you're like talking to you and listening to what you're saying right now, like I don't recommend it though, too. If you're talking to you and listening to what you're saying right now, I wouldn't recommend it to you. Maybe when your life slows down more. Exactly, I'm saying I wait and slow down. And or maybe when you know, you've been wanting to try it and you realize, oh shit, actually I wasn't very active this week at work

and I over consumed the last week. Hey, you know what, this would be a great time to do it because you're not, you know, you, I'm sure there's gonna be a time in your life when you notice that or a doubt. When you take a break, maybe when you're like a day off and working out or maybe when you're on vacation, I love to fast on vacation.

I'll go on vacation and I won't eat until like dinner and have a nice big meal. It's my favorite. And from that, what do you experience on the other side of that coming out of that fast? What do you know that you could pick like the top three, maybe mental or physical benefits? So clarity, inflammation down, those are my two. The inflammation.

So I noticed all the things just supposed to notice, like lower inflammation, mental clarity. I had kind of this like really good, clean, clear type of energy, while I was fast. Even the first time I did it. I was at eat, I ate seven meals a day for years, years. And the first time I did it, I couldn't believe how good I felt when I did it. But really what I got out of it was a psychological benefit because I came from, when I started working out

in the way I ate was all dedicated to building muscle. So my relationship to food was like the opposite of somebody who was always overweight, I was always skinny, and so I was terrified of missing a meal or skipping a meal. When I realized that I could skip a meal and not only not lose muscle but actually have some benefits, it was fucking mind blowing. In fact, I would say that one event is really what started me on a path of really questioning everything. Because up until that point, I accepted the dogma. I accepted the eat, you know, over one gram of protein

per pound of body. I accepted the eat small meals throughout the day. I accepted the have protein right after your workout. I accepted all these different things as truth. And when I tried fasting for the first time, I said, holy shit, I was wrong about the meals thing. I wonder if the other things are bullshit too. But it's not necessarily the wrong, I think they've tried and tested methods.

It's just that we're learning new things on top of that, right? It's like me personally, I lost, once I stepped up, eat into like four or five meals a day, two or three hours, I noticed a drastic way. So there's lots of factors in that that you want to consider that can cause weight loss But the the meal frequency itself if all things are being equal and you compare someone who eats six meals a day Is someone three who eats three meals a day and this is by the way has been studied several over and over

It's conclusive. There is zero There's a zero even the best metabolic race not through the roof on people that are eating No, so what's more likely is that, and it's the same reason why I still tell people, like if I were to go back and compete again, I would still go back to my six meals a day. You know why? Because I'm precise about it, I'm tracking,

it's weight, it's measured, it's already ready. So people that are breaking their meals up four to six times, they're just more likely to make better choices. You know, that's preparation. Yes, because they're prepared versus somebody who eats two ginormous meals and isn't paying attention or just, see, my whole thinking when I went through that

was just get my metabolism through the roof just so that I'm just constantly, so that means my body is as high as possible, so that's what's gonna increase it. I was constantly on like, what can I possibly do that's gonna accelerate fat loss? Well, that's what it is. That feeds into the other myth, right?

That's that that feeds you. I'm talking that this was a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, right. But that's that's a that's a great one that we all know. That's the way we all know. That's one of that. That is one of the biggest myths in fitness, right? There's actually one of the first ones that we tackled was a small meals myth.

And the way they sell it is they say, you know, if your metabolism is a fire, you feed it, you know, all day long and you keep it roaring. And this was, and this is what the fitness industry is really good at, is they'll take some science and then they'll find a way to twist it so they can sell product. And so what they did is they looked at the fact that there's a thermic effect that comes from food. So when you eat food, you get a thermic effect. You do get a small amplification in calorie burn.

But it is very small, but yet you do get one. Well, it mirrors the calories. That's right. The thermic effect is the same, whether you have three meals or you have six meals collectively. So if the food is the same, you get the same thermonet thermic effect. There's no difference whether you have small thermic effects

or you have two or three large thermic effects. There's zero effect on the metabolism. In fact, in healthy individuals, fasting may in fact, and I hate saying this because again, we don't want people to fast for weight loss, but fasting's effects on insulin sensitivity are superior to eating small meals, which for some people who have insulin issues

or issues with sugar may in fact enhance fat loss. Right, I mean, that comes down to what those small meals are, right? Of course, obviously, you know, in terms of the insulin response. Now let me ask you this, why do you think the supplement industry, the fitness industry would promote small meals? Think about it.

How many, how? Sell product, right? And sell small meals. How many? You know, hard-earned food, you know, hard-earned food, you know, hard-earned food, you know, hard-earned food, six meals?

You know, if you, especially if you haven't top-aware to mall out for yourself, you know. You know, you have two hard to say six meals. Totally. You know, if you, especially if you haven't tuppware to mall out for yourself, you know. You're gonna have two or three bars a day. What's your thoughts on a cheat meal or a cheat day? So, I don't like that term, a cheat or meal or day because it places you. Can we call it eating? Yeah.

Here's the thing now, and this is the psychology part of fitness is, it's an all, it's an all or nothing approach. It's I'm on the wagon, off the wagon. Today it's cheat meal, and then the rest of the week is super, super strict, and that is just long term success is poor on that. Now people will say, I feel better doing this because I know I'm going to have this cheat meal,

and it may be a step closer towards a way of eating that's long term. But if everything is on or off, then that's how you'll always live your life. You'll either be very on or you're gonna go off and what will happen is you'll have a little bit of something that's off your meal one day and you'll be like, fuck it, I'm off already. Let's go for it.

And you see this with alcoholics, you see this with drug addicts, you see this with food. I'm seeing that with ketogenic diets to when people stress in about whether they're in ketosis or not. And once they're off, they're not fucking. Yeah, I'd like, we'll look like a sip of wine, knock me out of ketosis or whatever.

That was another thing. It's not a good way to live on a mentally out of it. No, I don't know. We went on a kick maybe last year or some time. It's been a while when we all went ketogenic. And we did it so we could experience it. We could talk about it. And one of the things, and I remember Sal loved it.

In fact, he eats really close to a ketogenic diet most of the time. Most of the time. And I went through it, I got a, I felt amazing. And because we expressed it on the show, all of a sudden we had this huge wave of people like, keto, keto, keto, keto. And we're like, whoa, pump the brakes.

This is not the official diet of mind pump. We're just sharing with you guys some of the benefits that we notice when we're on it. So that's the thing that you gotta be very careful is, it's crazy how bad everybody wants to be put in a box, you know? It's like no, we're trying to teach you that there's there's health benefits to it. You know, that's what you should focus on is there's a lot of research and there's a lot of health behind that diet. However, you know, how sustainable is it for you with your choices that you're already making right now? Eating wise and so if it's like completely different from what you're doing right now, like,

you have to consider that. Like you're going to a full extreme and is that going to be, are you going to be able to, is that going to last day to day for you? What is the keto diet? Tell me. Well, so the medical keto diet is something like 80% or 95% or 94% a super, super high, high, high fat, very moderate to low protein and in an extremely low carbohydrates. And that's the medical version of the keto diet. And it was originally developed to treat neurological disorders in particular epilepsy. And what they found was there was a doctor long time ago who found that when he fasted

children with epilepsy because it was uncurable at the time where there was no treatments that their seizures reduced in number or were eliminated completely. And they couldn't figure out why, and later on we figured it was because they were going into ketosis because they had no food. So then they put them on a very high fat diet with very low carbohydrates and a little bit of protein

and their bodies operated on ketones. And ketones seemed to suppress lots of these effects of epilepsy. So it was one of the first treatments for epilepsy. We now find see that ketogenic dieting has lots of neurological benefits for people with multiple sclerosis, you know, Alzheimer's people who operate on ketones with Alzheimer's seem to have improved cognitive function probably because the brain loses its ability to utilize glucose. Like it normally would.

In fact, many of these disorders may be forms of diabetes. In fact, I think Alzheimer's has been called type three diabetes. So that's what the medical ketogenic diet is. But you have these versions of ketogenic diets that can our field of fitness become trendy now. It's become trendy and it's higher protein, so there'll be more like actions or modified actions. And here's what you wanna consider.

There are definite polymorphisms where a ketogenic diet will not only not work, but it'll be absolutely horrible. You have some individuals, you put them on a keto diet and you do it right and you do it perfect, and their blood lipid levels just become horrible and they get lots of inflammation. And so that's one of the main reasons why we say you don't want to stick, stay within a camp. Now there's general rules in terms of what is healthy and what's not healthy,

but on an individual basis, the variances can be dramatic. You can have two people and a healthy diet for one person can be vegan and on the next person it can be paleo. And if you switch them around, you you have horrible, horrible results? This is why we like people that are giving out information like, I don't know if you guys are familiar with Brawb, Woolf or whatever, he just wrote a book called Why Are To Eat. And we're starting to put this together, which is silly, that we're just now putting this really together, that, I mean, it depends where this person came from. And that's probably the reason why Keto works for this person and not for another is because

you're ancestry matters, where you came from. So where you live from a majority and that's what we're, what people aren't thinking about when they do, they're hopping on just because it's a trend, right? And people don't even realize, or not shouldn't say people. I don't, that's an overgeneralization. A lot of people don't understand what they're supposed to get from that. And when I talk to someone that's going through ketogenic diet, I'm trying to help them connect the way they feel when they have eliminated a lot of these carbs, you know,

and sugar and processed foods. And up their fats. Yeah, and up their healthy fats. It's interesting what you said about where people are from, like, ancestors huge, right? I think that's one of the main things that comes up when people talk about gluten and lactose intolerance. Oh, yeah. people talk about gluten and lactose intolerance. But for me, we grew up on milk as kids and I was like, and then I'd never even heard of lactose intolerance until I don't even like five, six years ago.

And now it seems like everyone I talk to over here is lactose intolerant. And I'm like, I'm always skeptical man, I'm like, are you really lactose intolerant? Are you just saying that because it's fashionable to say it? But I think people probably are, and I think it's probably because of where they've grown up and the culture and lifestyle and climate and that kind of stuff. No, well, Northern Europeans have they domesticated cows and used milk a long time ago.

And so it became very advantageous for people of northern European cultures to evolve and develop genes that had them be able to digest the lactose that's found in dairy. Now, all of us can digest lactoses, or most people can digest lactose babies, but we lose that ability. But northern Europeans, a much higher percentage of them maintain that as they get older.

As you go further south in Europe, it becomes less and less in Africa. It's very low in Asia. It's very, very low. So lactose intolerance is quite high in those countries. But in Africa, there is one region where they have a very, very high ability to digest lactose. And in fact, when they study them, they find that they have a different gene that allows them to digest lactose. So it happened through different pathways, but they study them, they find that they have a different gene that allows them to digest lactose.

So it happened through different pathways, but they evolved the same gene. And this is because this particular region had also domesticated cows long time ago. Right. Why am I laughing now? It's like, remember what I asked you at the beginning about being a smart bastard? Where the fuck did you find a lot? It's all right. I forget it. Yeah.

Yeah, it just pops out random. We've got a photograph of memory. I know, where do you find all of it? It reads, not for good. Yeah, no, I read that, I don't remember where. I think I read that in, I want to say National Geographic. I can't remember, but I did read that a while ago about the differences between, you know,

how lactose is a great example, because it's such a clean cut and dry. Lactose intolerant or not lactose intolerant, and the differences between the different regions of the world. But I don't know if it was this article, but there's another article I read about, if you look at the Native American population in America,

for example, or Hispanic population, they have a much higher rate of diabetes if they eat the Western diet than other people. Anglo-Americans, for example, don't have as high a rate of type 2 diabetes. And they think it was because Native Americans were hunter-gatherers for longer periods of time, and they didn't have access to tons of starches and carbohydrates, whereas the Europeans with agriculture were eating things like wheat for longer. So their bodies just didn't respond as well to all those starches.

That's amazing that you remember all that. Yeah, maybe I made it up. So, my brain was shunned. When you read stuff like that, what makes you so sure of it? By who wrote it? I just read the science in the studies, but that's a good, I'm glad you said that because, yeah, because science, when especially when it comes to nutrition, many, many times is countered by other studies, many, many times. Well, and I think, to answer that, what we, I think we all have a habit of doing is no

matter what we read, where we read it, we always, right afterwards, I'm going to search the opposite side, whoever opposed it. And that's, and I think you have, we thought what happening politics. Yeah, right. I feel like we talk about this too. I always thought what I'm putting in politics. Yeah, right. I feel like we talk about this too. I feel like you should have to do that. I have so much more respect for somebody like we were at, I don't know if you guys know

who Paul Czech is, we recently went up to the heaven house, amazing and brilliant man. And one of the things I was most impressed with was his library was insane. And what was so insane about it was all the different like opposing arguments like thing ideologies That didn't even match that would you know if you were a part of that you'd be talking shit But he's read them all you know, and so I just have a lot of respect for somebody who's done that because I feel like even Some of the smartest minds that we meet they get they get they drink their own juice and they get so caught up in their own dogma Yeah, they get what happens your own argument too if you know the other side to that level, right? Cause then you could speak, you know,

from their perspective as well. And you have to consider too that ideologies, especially if they've been around for a long time in old cultures, there's, many times truth in a lot of them. Like if you look at Western medicine and Eastern medicine, they seem like they couldn't exist in the same universe, right? Western medicine completely different from Eastern medicine. But that's because they both do what they do quite well.

Western medicine is unparalleled in its ability to treat acute conditions. You have an infection, you want to go to Western medicine doctor, you don't want to go, you know, if you have a, if you break a bone or if you need surgery, you want to go to Western medicine. If you have a chronic condition, long-term chronic condition, you're probably going to do better off going to Eastern medicine because when you go to Western medicine doctor, he's going to give you a pill to treat the symptom,

whereas Eastern medicine doctors are going to look at you and say, okay, how are you eating? How are you sleeping? Tell me about your energy and all these different things. So in reality, they're complimentary. And this is when it comes to nutrition, when it comes to fitness, you look at all these different methodologies with exercise, kettlebells, macebells, barbells, you've got machines, cables, bands, you've got bodyweight exercise, you've got training in circuit fashion, you know, straight strength, you know, fashion different rep ranges.

And every camp says it's their best. The reality is, they've all got something that's good. And if you go in with an open mind, you can start to see what they do very very well and you come out much more With a much better whole approach and a better appreciation for when people have an opinion on something because you can say maybe there's something to it Yeah, do you ever disagree always huh every day really all the fucking time. Oh, I love to say that This is the end of the first half of the interview. To hear the second half, go to the Box and Life podcast on iTunes, Stitcher Radio, SoundCloud, and other podcasting apps. That's Box and Life, BOX, Apostrophe N, L-I-E-F-E. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

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