Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 495: Substituting Lifting for Cardio, Best Workouts for Steroid Users, Getting Out of a Funk & MORE

Episode Date: April 21, 2017

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Big Top Beard Company (bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether lifting is enough cardio for health, how to get out of a funk, if MAPS Anywhere is only for times you don't have access to a gym and should workouts to accommodate steroid use. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can) Mind Pump love connection – ft. “Ben Zorn” (0:00) New Sponsor “Big Top Beard Company” (14:07) o   Why women are so attracted to beards Quah Question #1 – Is lifting enough cardio for health? (17:03) o   Healthy and longevity or for performance and endurance o   NEAT o   Enjoying life o   Moving more Quah Question #2 – How do the guys get out of a funk? (24:00) o   Get up and just move o   Acknowledge your situation and become aware Quah Question #3 – Is MAPS Anywhere (White) only for if you don’t have access to a gym? (37:04) o   Connection factor o   Use a bridge to new program Quah Question #4 – How should someone on gear (anabolic steroids) change their workout? (45:14) o   You can get away with a lot more o   Get yourself in the best shape first natural o   Don’t get addicted to the pump in the gym Related Links/Products Mentioned Big Top Beard Company  o   Discount code – “mindpump” Do Women Prefer Men With Beards? (article) Mel Robbins TEDx Talk: How to Stop Screwing Yourself Over MAPS Anywhere (White) / Mind Pump 30 Days of Coaching People Mentioned: Ben Zorn - @benzornlife (Instagram)  o   http://www.zornfitness.com Dr. Layne Norton @biolayne (Instagram) Mel Robbins

Hey, in this upcoming episode, we actually talk a little bit about maps anywhere. That's right, maps white. That's our equipment-free map program based on... 5-8 Paloosa. But closed chain kinetic movements with our patented amp sessions. It's a four-week, 30-day bodyweight only, maybe some bands program. We didn't actually file for that patent. You can find it at minepumpmedia.com can find it at minepumpmedia.com.

If you wanna pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Confession here. I don't read your DMs if they're fucking really long. They sit in my inbox for fucking months, because dude, you get so many, right?

So a lot of times if I see like a good, quick question, that I can help somebody or answer, I answer them as quick as I possibly can. And then when you get so many, you get to a point where you have some half to just get left alone. Well, the way I choose normally is the longer that you are, the less likely you're going to read them, right? Isn't that funny? It's just like, get to the get left alone. Well, the way I choose normally is the longer that you are, the less likely you're gonna go to read them, right? Isn't that funny?

It's just like, get to the point really quick. Get to the point, I can't read through all this. I don't have time. So I just got to this one right here. I don't know how long it's been sitting. Does it say how long it's been sitting in my inbox? Are you still enjoying it right now? Yeah.

So, I don't even know how to respond to that. Like, I don't know what to say to tell us what I mean Well, it's all she's written me a The long one of the longest DMs. I've had in a very long time and it gives me her backstory But she's basically reaching out to me to reach out to bachelor at Ben Zorn. What yeah? Ben Zorn. What do you mean she's reaching out? Well, that's, she's so funny, that actually happened to me too. Well, yes.

Dude, our boy Ben needs to step the game up, dude. On Facebook. And then I or having to have a little Ben, I know Ben listens to the show a lot. Somebody reached out and they thought, Oh my cousin, you know, I, do you know Ben? Like I heard he was on his show. Do you know him?

Personally, can you hook me up with my cousin? People are stalkers. You know what they do when they do that. Well, the funny part in, because she's like, you know, in the letter here, that's what you call that, right? Is that a letter or what you call that? What do you call it? What do you call it? What do you call a DM? That's like, all that I'm long? That's not a message. A message to me is like a Twitter, a tweet.

A message, you can't call it a message unless it's as short not a message. A message to me is like a Twitter, a tweet. A message, you can't call it a message unless it's as short as a tweet. If it's longer than a tweet, it now goes into a new category. This is a novel. It's a short story. She sent me a short. So she wrote you a blog, so what happened? So she has been listening to Mind Pump for over a year.

So I don't want to rag on her too much because she's a fan of Mind Pump. So I love you for that. But I do find it kind of funny that she wrote me this letter and I won't ouster. So I'm not sure. No, I'm not sure. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you know,

throw you under the bus like that. But I have to talk about this because I think it's hilarious. So writes this long old letter telling me, you know, that how long she's been following mine pump and this and that, she's got it. She's left us a great review and won a shirt before. And- That's about to change.

And so she is, she knows, she's a huge fan of Ben, the way she found us is through Ben Zorn because she's been following Ben Zorn since the bachelor and she's, you know, saw that we're friends and that he's been on the show and she's this and that. And so she's reaching out to me to help her reach out to him So she doesn't look like one of those crazy girls on his Instagram that all of them that like got our super fans that Oh, I love you. I love you. I can't marry me. Yeah, like he gets those right like he post and right now I've been I'm been teasing him lately right now because he's got his little rot while our puppy that he just got and that's all He posts and it's just like this little cute shot him and his dog. He's like the all American boy that every

tease every yeah he is he is a vagina tease. So I'm just gonna let all you little hot girls know that want to sleep with my boy. He is a vagina tease. So don't get you. It's good dude. Yeah. I love that. You know what that is. So here's what happens. It's like women follow him. They they see watch him on the bachelor app. They create this alternative this alternate reality where they And him if they oh if you just met me. I know we connect and we were so similar and if I could just meet him He would fall in love with me. I know it because I love him and they could totally delusional Well great print print charming syndrome and they're totally delusional. Well, great print charming syndrome. And they're so delusional, in fact,

that they'll contact someone else through an indirect way to try and get, like, what are you gonna do, send her a husband? I have a chance. Yeah, like, you're gonna be like, you know what? You said that message you said, I mean, was it telling you to? I'm not gonna lie to you.

You just get dude would do this. I don't know. I'm thinking like, you know what I mean? Like, every girl thinks they have a chance. That's what's going on. She doesn't even know he's a goat fucker. You know, I'm saying like you don't even yeah My boys a goat fucker like you know, I'm saying he fucks goats. What do you mean? What does that mean? Wait? Wait literally yeah, he's a goat fucker

I can't say that He's my boy I can say He's a goat fucker Ben of all the animals. Yeah, come on, Ben. That's the top of animals. Well, I remember the first few times that we would hang out together. And I'm so gonna put our boy on blast right here. And I remember when we first met,

you know, I had a little like man crush. I'm like, he's gorgeous. Like, he's totally gorgeous when you meet. He's even more gorgeous in person than he is on TV. I'll tell you guys there right now. So, you meet him. And he's a good guy in real that doesn't help Adam yeah yeah you're not he's and he's a good guy no diverting and he's a super great human being yeah

he's not he's not a dick or a douche or no well you could tell so he wasn't he was an overweight kid so you could tell that he was the fat kid who got in shape and that what's great about that is he's built great character so he's got he's not like this super hot dude that got on a show and thinks he's a celebrity and walks around. So you want to do if you're looking for someone to date is find someone who used, who looks great, but used to look bad. And then you're going to get like a good, good character. That's a real recipe.

It isn't pretty good recipe. It tends to build care. I think, I think, you meet a hot girl and you're like, hey, do you have any pictures from high school and you look and be like, oh my god, you were massive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anybody I think God, anybody that went through some sort of like adversity like that as a as a child or a young adolescent, I think builds pretty good character. I so I and you see some of these kids

that were spoiled, they're good looking, they had all of their whole life, their whole life. And I feel so I feel I have a lazy I actually now is an adult. I feel sorry for those same kids. As a kid, when you're growing up, you don't see it. It's a kid you're growing up. You see that kid and he has everything and you're so jealous. He's he's smart. He's good looking. He's the best at all the sports. He has tons of money as a coolist card school and you're envious, but as an adult, I see that and I go, Oh, poor kid. You know what? It's poor kid because life know what, poor kid,

because life is gonna slap him right in the face. It reminds me of this. I remember having this conversation with one of the trainers that used to work with me and she was telling me about this guy that she was dating and they had been dating from almost about a month and they hadn't had sex yet. And I'm like, what do you mean you guys haven't had sex?

She's like, well, we've done other things and I'm like, you've done other things. She's like, yeah, she's like, oh, he's like, what do you mean you guys haven't had sex? She's like, well, we've done other things. And I'm like, you've done other things. She's like, yeah, she's like, oh, he's like, heavy-pedding. She goes, she goes, he goes down, I mean, I was a heavy-pedder dude for a long time. No, that was my whole career. My career.

But bro, she was, she was in her mid-30s and so with this guy, so they weren't kids. And she goes, yeah, oh my god, he goes down on me. So crazy, like, he's so good. And I looked at her and I'm like, do you think maybe he's got a small dick and she goes, oh no. And guess what?

She did. Oh, don't give away the moves. He did. They went to have sex. That point. And he had a super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super

super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super So like you're saying, you meet someone, I really had to work on that skill. Super nice. And like Justin said, they probably had a lazy eye or something at one point. It's a way to say so. Wait, how did you go from that to?

It just reminded me that. Good at eating vagina. Because it's a small dick. It just reminded me of that like really nice guy used to be fat, really good at going down. Small dick. It's just one of those. That's what you just put together for that.

I definitely, I definitely think that it builds character. I think it's building you sharpen up other skills. That's the point of that, right? A lot of science today. A lot of science today. Doug, why do I sound choppy? I feel choppy right now. You guys choppy?

Chop chop chop. Well, unbeknownst to you, we slipped a little magic mushrooms in your coffee. So you're feeling a psychedelic. That's what that is. You know, it's a- Godfucker! It's weird, man, that someone would call- it's the equivalent of going to a person and be like,

hey, I like your friend, except way worse. Is it? Yeah, when you're a kid and you're like, hey, could you go ask out? Yeah, sure. Oh, I know, yeah, totally. Except way worse, yeah. That was the thing back in elementary school. You're like, hey, I like. Yeah, totally. Except way worse. Yeah, that was the thing back in elementary school.

You're like, yeah, I like that chick over there. Hey, you want to go like get your friend to tell her that I want to go out And then that friend comes back. Okay. Yeah, you guys are going out and then oh cool, and then you like never talk Yeah, but I'm good. We're going out. Oh, you know what I would that you know, you should do Adam Hey, were you you send her can you send her a course like it's send her Why don't you text back? I'm gonna send you want to go around I'm gonna send her Ben's phone number. I'm going around I'm gonna tell you tell you know what I'm gonna do actually I am a sender Ben's phone number. I'm gonna text Ben and then be like hey listen. I think you might have a shot

So I'm gonna text the right now. Well, she's actually really cute. So doesn't mean she's there's a chance Maybe she's crazy. No, maybe Ben's well, there's probably a chance she's crazy too, but she's really cute, which will have to verify maybe like back in the day we thought about like, you know, creating this whole like dating thing. You know what? I tell you, pre-screening the the options for him. I'm gonna take care of you baby girl. You know what? Because I blasted you on the podcast. I am going to I'm going to I'm gonna take six screenshots because that's what it's gonna take for me

to show the entire post you sent me. I feel like dude. Over, over. Yeah, I really build her up to him. And are you gonna send it to Benny? Wait, I don't know. I don't think that's gonna help her. So we're gonna have to,

I wanna genuinely help her. Okay. You know what? Because I put you on blast on the show, I feel entitled, not entitled, I feel oblig put you on blast on the show. I feel entitled not entitled. I feel Obligated. Thank you. No problem. You're just confusing how I really feel Wrong library Yeah, I'm going to I'm gonna hook you up dude. I'm, something. Uh, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to hook you up, dude.

I'm, or honey. I'm going to call, I'm going to call my whole- You have, dude. Actually, you know what? Hey, bro. Hey, bro. You know what we're going to do? We're actually going to call Ben right now.

Let's see if he answers. Yes. Yes, we're going to do that. That's a good idea. Don't get all the ads out. Just hold on. We'll get to the podcast here. Don't worry.

No. You have it, Taylor. You have Fred Ders phone number. Oh That's who we need to call. I we need to call him on one of these podcasts. That's who we need to call I think that would be amazing. You know what you should do. You should hook her up with Fred Ders. That's what that's exactly Yeah, right. You know Ben's taken. Hey, yeah, we got a second option for it. You on the phone. Be can you hear me? Hey, what are you doing right now put them on the actual No, I don't speak okay, I'm gonna on the actual speaker phone. No, I don't.

Speaker phone. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna put you on speaker phone. There's a boy's one here, you two. You're on a podcast, you're telling me he's on the podcast, too. No, Ben, can you hear me? I don't know, he'll tell me. Okay, good, so I got you on speaker phones that the boys can hear you, too.

So, this is not, I guess we didn't know this till right now that this has happened more than once, Okay, you're on the podcast too. So don't say anything inappropriate. Don't tell people about your goat fucking, by the way. Whoa. So, okay. That's just between Adam comes in. So I got this, I got an inbox from this gorgeous little girl and it's like a

fucking blog, dude. It's literally took me 15 minutes to read it to the boys. And the whole thing is she's a fan of mine pump. She found Esplan, you came on the show way back when. But your handsomeness stole her from our heart. Yeah, and she wants me to try and connect you. And she's asking for advice from me on how I can help her get to you

without her seeming like a creep because all the women that constantly messaged you on your on your Instagram, how does she do that? How does she get to you to let you know that right? She could you guys potentially do it? What do we do with all these girls? I had one too. Yeah, he had one too. Yeah. What's what's always supposed to do with all the spare your cell phone number? I don't think you'd ever say we're basically pamps. Yeah. Is there like some kind of waiting list? I wouldn't do this to you. like I wouldn't do this to you if I didn't think she was really cute She's really cute. So yeah, so do I just screenshot her her Instagram and send over to you or what how do I what's the best way to funnel these things? Yeah, dude just if you can screenshot Instagram and

Have her send it to me and I'll reach out to her. Oh shit. Wow. You see that guy see if we told what's our commission. Yeah Yeah, I watch yeah, so you're so you're single right now. I'm currently single. Yeah, okay All right, all right. I'm gonna leave you I'm gonna leave you alone But once you come by the studio say hi this week. We're just kind of chill on this week. All right So I'm gonna do that all right brother. Bye, Ben Love you He's such a nice guy that he's not he. All right, man. Bye, Ben. How'd you guys feel? Love you. He's such a nice guy that he's not, he doesn't even get mad.

Yeah, right? That's so good. You should have told him, I already sent him, I already sent him your phone number. So, she'll be contacting you right now. I'm gonna tell her right now, she just guys hooked up on the podcast. See that?

We have love for our pump heads, right? I think you're good, guy. Even if they love other people. Well, it's not like you don't do this for fame or to make people laugh on the podcast or to make fun of them. You did this purely to help people out. That's it.

Just a good guy. You know why? I used to love that show. That's a good and slight connection. Love connections. Love connection. What's his name? Chuck Wollery.

Are you Wollery? Wollery. Yeah, Chuck Wollery, right? Someone that? Right, I'm close. You know what? Is your tongue piece to go to the same library? Is your tongue slightly paralyzed? Yes.

Yeah. I'm starting to realize it's something with your tongue. Right. I think cannabis does that. It's just a little lazy. Yeah, yeah, it's a little lazy. It's a little lazy. It's a little lazy.

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You've been having more sex lately, haven't you? Have you bet your ass? I mean, it's been on like Donkey Kong. It works. And it's like a manliness factor to it. And this is a good gift for all you ladies to get your men. Yeah, it's true. Because you don't like how his beard gets all scraggly and wiry

and sticking out. That's what the whole beard is. It's rid of the pube factor. And the wax is four. So it smells good. It's natural. It's all natural. And it gives you a nice, it makes the beard look healthy.

Now we tend to act wax and we train those hairs to go where you want them to go. So check this out. I read this a while ago. I wanted to know why, like, what is the theory behind why men grow beards and why most women don't? I said most because I'm Italian. I've seen women with beard. And they say, and so they said the reason why men grow beards, there's a couple reasons

that they think that anthropologists think we evolve to grow beers. Number one is to soften the blow from battle. So, and if you think about it, if you got a big ol' beer, number one, it makes it harder for someone to judge where your chin is. And number two, it may soften the blow from getting hit, right?

Because man, of course, that's what we do, right? We fight each other because we're fucking idiots. But here's the second main reason. A big, big, healthy beard is kind of like the feathers of a peacock. It demonstrates good health. I see. So if you have a big, big, luxurious, healthy beard,

it means you're healthy. It means you don't have like crazy, like, you know, skin problems or health problems. You don't have mites, you don't have lice or anything like that. It demonstrates that you have testosterone and that you're healthy. And this is why women are so attracted to a healthy beard.

And studies will show a big beard, men with good healthy beards are perceived as better leaders and more assertive, it's a fact, look it up. Wow. So there you go. Wow. Now we can bring on the big top beard bird.

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Fuck yeah. Hold on a second. Yeah. Well, listen, I'm just picturing like the stereotypical power lifter. Like just a fucking, just a big, fat, strong person. Oh, rude. But true, you know what? If you want the answer, you should have watched my answer story like three days ago,

like, because I was going to that fucking mission peak, like a powerlifter. Yeah, no, you know, this is actually, this is a really good question because I, when I first take somebody on, I actually eliminate all cardio. I don't care how old, how young, I actually tell people, I want them to like limit their movement when I first, and that sounds crazy, right? Like the opposite, you hire a trainer,

you think you're a trainer, you think your trainer's gonna kick your ass, I'm like, hey, guess what? Sit on the couch more while you're with me. But really what I want to do is I wanna find out kinda where their normal meat is, right? Yeah, well, yeah, I wanna know where their BMR and their calorie maintenance level is at if they were not doing a ton of activity.

That way we can kinda use cardio as a tool to counter extra calories or lean them out if they want to lean out or potentially help them bulk. So we need to find this good baseline. So at first I tell everybody, I tell everybody not to do cardio for this reason. Now cardio has other benefits than just losing or gaining weight, too, though. So it's exercise for your heart. That's the definition of it. Here's what people need to realize is that there is exercise for health and longevity,

and then there's exercise for performance. And this is true for all forms of exercise, even lifting weights. So if I'm going to lift weights purely for longevity and health, I'm going to be focused solely on movement, stability, and mobility. If I push myself to get stronger and stronger and stronger and hit PRs and to build lots of muscle, I am now moving past health and longevity. I'm aiming for performance and I may in fact take away from longevity and health. So a power lifter, for example, is no longer training with weights. They're no longer training with weights for health.

They're training for maximum performance, which is going to take away from longevity. Because again, you're maxing your body out. You're going to put more wear and tear on your body. You're going to stress your body out a little bit more. Now I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying understand that. Now, with cardio, the same is true. body, you're going to stress your body out a little bit more. Now I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying understand that. Now with cardio, the same is true.

You can do cardio for health and longevity, or you can do cardio for performance and endurance. There's many forms of cardio. I mean, you guys mentioned neat, and you mentioned like long-term cardio. There's just many different forms, even lifting weights, you know, just like adding and increasing the amount of volume, increasing the amount of reps.

You're going to get shortening your rest. Cardiovascular elements in there. just like adding and increasing the amount of volume, increasing the amount of reps, you're gonna get. Shortening your rest, cardiovascular elements in there. Yeah, like I dare you to do a set of 25 reps with barbell squats and not realize the cardio benefits from that. So, I mean, it's all in like your lifestyle. Like, what do you want to promote the most for your lifestyle?

Are you gonna want to have the ability to get up and run, you know, a far distance? Or, you know, are you gonna wanna have the ability to get up and run, you know, a far distance, or, you know, are you just wanna benefit your strength and longevity? Like, these are all different approaches that you have to kind of like organize your workouts accordingly, to benefit the most. Maximum longevity and health is really

about frequent moderate activity. That's it. That's what the science says. The science does not say endurance athletes, bodybuilders, power lifters, strength athletes, or athletes in general are the ones that live the longest. It's just not.

Now, why do we promote training harder for better performance? Because we also believe that it's not just about longevity health, it's also about enjoying your life. There's also that component, which is why I'll eat cake sometimes and while I'll eat a burger sometimes because there are more things that I get at a food aside from longevity health.

And sometimes it's enjoying the moment with friends and family and enjoying just the taste of the food. So, and the same is true with exercise. So, if you're doing it for health, do you need to do cardio? No, I mean, as long as you're walking and you're staying active and you're not just lifting weights,

I think you're absolutely fine. If you wanna do cardio for health, I mean, walk. Really, nothing beats it. Nothing beats walking. I think even that, but there's also an element of just more movement. So more movement throughout the day. So we talk about neat, but think about how many things

you could do to benefit your joints, to benefit like inactive muscles. There's just a cascade of exercises in different mobility and different types of flexibility. And all these different pursuits that you could incorporate that adds up to a lot more activity and movement throughout your day that's going to have the same benefit, if not more benefit, because now you're a little bit more supported and you're more mobile.

Do you know what the bodies of extreme endurance athletes on the inside, what they look like, when they get examined? They look not good. There's lots of oxidative stress. The age of their heart appears to be much older than the person's actual chronological age, because of the damage that they create with the oxidative stress, because of the extreme nature of their sport. Anything you do to an extreme level is going to have health veterans. So just keep that in mind. So again, if you're a power lifter and you're training for maximum performance and you're thinking about your health, just improve your need and walk around. If you want to improve

your powerlifting, cardio may help you a little bit as well. Not a lot of it, but I do think a little bit of cardio will help you just with improved mobility and improved cardiovascular. What would you recommend with that? I'd probably do more hit type style if you were trying to improve that. Yeah, I do like one. I don't want long, long bouts of cardio. No, I do one hit session a week maybe and then maybe like 30 minute walks every single day, just to, you know, keep them, keep them moving and keep them healthy. Power lifters tend to, and this is the stereotype, of course, but they tend to eat a lot of food. They tend to reduce activity. They tend to have, you know, mobility and joint issues because of the constant nature of push.

We just had a guest, for example, we interviewed Layne Norton who's been training as a powerlifter for a long time. Lots of mobility issues and lots of stability issues because he's been so focused on his pursuit of extreme. Did he admit that though? Unbelievable. He did. He talked about that on our podcast and how he's focusing more on his ability. His therapist is kind of guiding us. Oh, it's the truth. Yeah, and because it's the nature of the beast, right?

It's the nature of the sport, so. You're pressuring the hinges. Exactly. Next question. Healthy, happy, and free. How do you guys get out of a funk? Oh, funk. So why would you want to get out of being funky?

Yeah. Boom. Tell us how. How do I get out of a funk? Well, funky. You know, it's interesting. I watched that video. What's her name? Mel Robbins. Is that her name? The one that she was on the, she had a tell you. Yeah, she was on Tom Billiw's show, Impact Theory, great interview.

Sister of a Tony Robbins. No, and she also had a really good Ted Talk relationship there. And there was some kind of some cool stuff that she said that was a little mind blowing. One of the things that she talked about was how we tend to wait until we get the motivation to do things.

Like, God, I just need to get motivated to exercise, or I just need to get motivated to write that blog, or do that extra education for my work, or do that extra step to build my business. And she said that it's bullshit. She said, waiting for motivation is a horrible, horrible strategy because for the most part,'re never going to get it.

They're not going to get this instance of boom, oh my god, I'm so motivated. Now I want to do all these different things. Number one, that rarely ever happens. And number two, when it does happen, what do you do when that stroke of motivation goes away? Because at some point it does. If you're relying on doing something or moving your butt or achieving things based on being motivated, at some point, that motivation

is going to wax and wane. And then what? Now that you've based all of your activity and go get a attitude on motivation, now that that's gone, you're back in your funk and you're doing nothing again. And so she said, don't wait for motivation. It's bullshit, just do it. Just go out and make yourself do it. And she has a strategy that she calls the five second rule, which is really interesting. And I recommend watching her YouTube videos

to learn more about it. But for me, recently, this has been kind of a game changer because I'm trying to, in my personal life, I'm trying to organize things on a completely different level than I've ever had to organize them because now I have this dual custody thing with my kids and they, you know, in both households and now I'm managing school schedules and, you know, when they're off to school and managing a business at the same time. And in the past, those were things that, you know, at the time my wife did, all that stuff

and now I have to do a lot of myself. Just any curiosity. Overwhelming. Can I ask you, are you right there? Do you feel more compassion or less compassion or has it not changed your state at all with knowing that you have to take this on now that was something that you didn't really worry as much about? Do you have...

What do you mean compassion for what? For your ex. Because we had a system. So, I definitely appreciate what she did much more. Yeah, that's how I just care. Yeah, but, you know, it's just, I know she hasn't been the easiest to handle all the time. Well, no, I mean, we can't. I mean, obviously, when you go through that process,

I'm not easy either, right? Both of us are gonna be difficult. But I'll tell you what, when you look at, I think, okay, so if you look at working out, right? Like, oh, I gotta get motivated to exercise. The steps are pretty simple. Get up, move, and start just paying attention to your food. It's kinda simple, right?

But it's so fucking hard to take those steps. And really, it's because we just don't take those steps. And the same thing for me, like getting organized with their schedules and stuff, all that took for me to do was get a calendar, meet with her, write things out, plan things out. This is what we do at this time. And that's all that took, but it was so hard to fucking do it

because I was waiting for the motivation, which never came. And it felt like I was in a funk. And the reality is all I had to do was say, is realize I'm never gonna get motivated, so I just gotta do it. Once I started doing it, it was easy. And then the irony of it was,

I got out of the funk. So I mean, I don't know exactly how that translates, but for me, that's worked really well. First step, I mean, getting in a funk, like just acknowledging your state that you're in a funk. Like for me, for me, it's me, I know because I'll get feedback from my wife or from my kids that I pick up on and I can see how it's affecting everybody around me.

So I guess my gauge a lot of times is how that's projecting, how everybody is responding to me. I realize, oh shit, I'm in a state that I need to change. And so, like, just to pick up on that is tough a lot of times because you're focused on certain things. You're focused on certain goals or things around you, but you don't realize like your energy and your mood

is affecting everybody around you. And you're literally in a funk that you need to dig out of and you need to address it and separate yourself from it. And then rewire the way that you're thinking about everything in front of you. And maybe it's stepping out, maybe it's taking some time off, there's some reflection, some meditation,

some, for me, it's time, it's space. It's creating more space for myself to think and reflect on what I'm presenting and the energy I'm bringing into the table. And then after that, it's like I can work towards, you know, having a different approach. Yeah. I think there's, I have levels of funk.

And based off the levels of funk, would dictate what I do. So if I'm in just like a little funk, and what could cause a little funk is work, like work stress, whatever, it's been a rough week Just a lot of busy and you know Maybe money isn't flowing the way it was flowing the week before or whatever like if I got like a work funk And it's just like one aspect of my life. I feel like I'm in a funk Then what I do is I try not to dwell on that one thing that's causing and I and I kind of shift my energy into other things

That make me happy and that I enjoy doing like for working out or doing stuff with my partner or, you know, doing something related to sports or there's a lot of things I like to do reading, like, all these other things that I enjoy that give joy to my life and because I have one aspect that is creating funk in my life, I'm not going to allow it to bleed into the rest. In fact, what I'm gonna do is I'm almost gonna just like, almost ignore it. Like, you know what, like, I'm more of this is a mental thing. I'm allowing this to put me in a funk. It's an uncontrollable situation.

There's, or there's something that I could can no longer do about it. All I can do now is do a better stuff going forward. So instead of dwelling on it and being in a funk, I'm gonna shift my mind over into things that I enjoy or that I'm really good at mind over into things that I enjoy or that I'm really good at, right? So I used to tell clients like this,

like when your home life is a record like that, well then put some good energy into your work, man. Like put your energy into your craft or, hey, put some good energy into growing yourself and growth and working out and bettering yourself. So I shift my energy into other places that Make my life more whole or better and not allow that one aspect now. Sometimes The funk is so bad everything's funky. You know, I'm saying like there's business is funky

Relationships funky your money's funky you feel fat. You feel funky like everything's funky, you feel fat, you feel funky, like everything's funky. Fat and funky. If I feel like overwhelmed with the funk, like that's when it's, you just got defunct. It's time to get the funk out of town. Get the funk out of here. That's what I do. Literally. Literally. So literally, it's getting overwhelmed with the funk.

Yeah, so literally this is, that's, you know, funky what? This is literally what I do is, and what I have an amazing partner. So Katrina is incredible. She normally senses when I get this funky, and she'll say, listen, let's get out of here. And a lot of times, we've been together for starting getting jazzy. We've been together for six years, so I don't have to, like, even, she feels it.

Like, she can sense it, and she knows that, like, all this stuff going on. She knows if I've been missing my workouts and got a lot of stress at work. so she can see that coming and then she'll just be like, oh by the way, like we're flying a cabo this weekend or oh we're taking off to Southern California or oh we're going up north to the mountains or she'll have a trip just like it doesn't have to be an elaborate crazy thing. Sometimes it is but a lot of times it's just to get out of town and disconnect from all the stuff

that's here that is causing me to feel funky. So I find what do you guys do? What are some hallmark characteristics that you could identify in yourself that happen when you're in that funk? That funk. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure with people. So you get more irritable. Yeah, I'm definitely short with people. Cause I feel like I take others feelings into consideration a lot when I speak to people and I feel like I'm always, I can be a people pleaser sometimes. And then when I get in a funk, I don't give a fuck.

I'm gonna say what's on my mind. It probably, probably, and may offend people or it may sting a little. And it's like, I'm just irritable and I don't care. I'm gonna say what's on my mind. It probably, and may offend people or it may sting a little. And it's like, I'm just irritable, and I don't care. I'm gonna speak my mind who cares how it comes out. And that's the side. Whatever created the funk is what consumes me.

You know, it just becomes this like, this horse blinder effect where like, I can't even hear you. You know, like, like, if you're talking to me, I can't hear you because I'm so obsessed in thinking about why this is, you know, like if you're talking to me, I can't hear you because I'm so obsessed in thinking about why this is, you know, causing me this, this state. And so that's why I have to communicate it

and I have to tell people around me, look, you know, like this is what happened or whatever it is and like once I identify it, it's like, okay, I'm working through this and I have to tell people around me, I'm working through this because I'm so fucking like focused on it. See, for me, there's a couple of things that I notice. One of them is, and I started to put words to it

because it was hard for me to explain. And I've had a lot of practice the last few years dealing with a funk. I've been in a fucking long term funk for a little while now. And one of the things is I start to understand that the way you view things in your life is you're looking through a filter of some sort. And imagine you have sunglasses on, glasses on.

And on those glasses, there's a knob that you could switch to positive filter, negative filter, sad filter, whatever. And when I'm in my funk, I notice that that filter becomes negative. So anything, even things that don't have to do with the funk, I tend to view in more of a negative way. Like, I'm at the store and this lady,

what in front of me on her shopping car, and I'm just looking at her in a more negative way or, you know, the way somebody said something to me, you know, normally I wouldn't take it personal or I wouldn't let it bother me, but now it's bothering me. And it just becomes this filter that I see things through. And if I, if I can, in this of the hard parts, hard to identify, it's hard to say like, oh shit, I'm seeing things through this fucking shitty filter. Once I do it, it makes a big difference because then I can, you know, because then I can see things a little bit differently. And the second thing is that I get stuck a lot.

Like I'll get stuck on social media or I'll get stuck reading something or it's almost like I'll get frozen in activity or in action. I'm busy. I'm doing stuff, but I'm not actually doing things that are productive or in action. I'm busy, I'm doing stuff, but I'm not actually doing things that are productive or helping me. It's like I'm in this kind of cycle. And I was watching this video where,

I don't remember who it was, but they were talking about the difference between stress, like normal stress and suffering. And they were saying how, you know, stress is a motivator. So something will happen, a light will go off, and you'll say, okay, I need to do something about this particular stressful situation.

Suffering is constantly cycling that thought in your mind over and over and over and over again, even though it's not benefiting you. And so now you're suffering. You're just constantly suffering about this particular thing for example If I have oh using easy example if I have a Presentation tomorrow in front of a thousand people

I'm gonna get a little bit stressed about it, right? And that's a motivator like okay I'm it's gonna help me prepare because I'm stressed okay ready. I got to Review my all my what I'm gonna talk about. I want to make sure I do a good presentation But if I if I constantly think about of review what I'm gonna talk about. I wanna make sure I do a good presentation. But if I constantly think about the fact that I may bomb or it may be terrible or I'm gonna be nervous on stage and I cycle that over and over and over.

Now I'm stressing and it's not serving me. And so learning how to separate that is, wow, that's a very powerful tool. Am I stressing because it's helping me do something that's productive? Or am I just suffering now? Am I letting myself suffer? Am I allowing myself to suffer? And suffering, nobody should suffer. It just doesn't benefit anybody. So just a couple of things that I've been reading about that I think have helped quite a bit.

Next up, comic fitness is Maps White only for when you don't have access to a gym. No, not at all You know, we should just stand alone. You know when we first did it. Mm-hmm. We really were trying to counter all the shitty, you know at home programs that were out there in our own fashion how we would yeah How we would structure that in a more beneficial way. Yeah, we actually said, okay, we talked shit about all these at home programs. Well, what will we do? We do different.

If I was gonna train somebody who never went to the gym, they just wanted to work out at home, like, what would I do? Well, that was the main reason, but, I mean, you could take that. Like, I actually just went through a little stint where I was just running, I was in a gym doing maps wide.

So you don't have to be at home, it doesn't have to be at none. It's a body weight. That's what it's designed. It's designed to be a body weight. So it's maps anywhere is the actual name, the color is white, it's what we refer to it white. Just so people know, but the most,

the comments that we get for all of our programs, the one that I'm most proud of is Maps Anywhere because it is because that maps performance, but because those are the ones that we get the most comments from trainers on. Like I've gotten a lot of comments from personal trainers. I would say prime. Really?

Oh well, yeah, I guess you're right. Cause that's really, I guess before prime, right? Cause prime is so different out of the box. Yeah, that's out of the box, but this is just like exercise programming, because that's really, I guess before prime, right? Because prime is so different. So different. Yeah, that's out of the box. But this is just like exercise programming. We've had a lot of trainers tell us like, I've never seen a no equipment program programmed so well.

And I do want to touch on the benefit of closed chain kinetic movements. So open chain movements are when you're moving the weight, you know, the weight're moving is free so like I'm like I'm doing it like a bench press, right? So my hands are moving away from my body and a closed chain movement is my as my hands are fixed or my feet are fixed And it's my body that's moving so like a push up versus a bench press and they both have their benefits And if you don't do either one, you're missing out a lot. And so maps anywhere, really the benefit of it is if you're a hardcore, super consistent fitness enthusiast

who's been working out in a gym for a long time, you'll get blown away by going through a cycle of maps anywhere. You'll get blown away by when you go back to lifting your weights. You will feel a different connection to the weights. It's the connection factor, right? It's that fact that now, like your body, it goes through this process. And we added tension exercises and we added ways to amplify this response that makes it more challenging even.

And there's elements in there that we threw that we're addressing posture. And so if you can't hold your body in these specific positions, it really gets exposed. And so all these things, like we kind of added in, now step away from the weights. Like what does your body look like as far as the movement? And what kind of response you can get from your body without relying on the weight to provide that stimulus.

Well, what didn't you guys say that a lot of that is what's required of the central nervous system because you can cheat a lot of that on a machine. I can see if I sit down on a machine and I do like a chest press machine or whatever, I can relapse. It eliminates a lot of momentum. Yeah, it's gonna be honest. And so we'll use chest press because that's what I started with here. So I'm sitting down on a machine and I'm doing a chest press. I could have my legs all sprawled out. I could be slouching in there and I could be chest pressing away and working. Well, when you do a body weight exercise to emulate a chest press, that would be like a push up.

And when you do a push up, your're all your hands, your toes, everything's connected, like your pelvic, your core, like everything's having to stabilize, like it requires a huge amount of attention from your central nervous system to have all these muscles firing, stabilizing, and working together to to perform the same type of a movement to get chest to work, right? So that's, I think that's why it's so mind-blowing for a lot of people because if you have a gym membership, let's be honest with ourselves, a lot of the exercises we're probably doing are sitting down on a bench and doing exercises or sitting in a machine and doing that. You're isolating certain areas, you know, whereas you go through this program now,

there's a massive carryover, because now you've lit up all kinds of new ways to stabilize, support your body, going into that same exercise where you may be laying down or sitting down. It's a totally different skill. It's a completely different skill. And like we've talked about many times on the podcast,

training new skills for the body results in better adaptations. I mean, if you get really good at doing lap pull downs, go do some pull ups and watch what happens. I mean, you get really good at overhead press, get really good at handstand push ups, or you're upside down, you're pressing your body up in the air. The functionality of being able to manipulate your body in space is incredible. I mean, if you can get really good at body weight movements, you will build a shit ton of muscle, by the way.

There's a myth that you build, it's not, they're not as good of muscle builders, which I think is false. The fact I think you can build a tremendous amount of muscle without any weights whatsoever, you can also build a tremendous amount of muscle without any weights whatsoever. You can also build a tremendous amount of muscle without ever doing body weight exercises, but the most amount of muscle,

the most functional movement that you'll ever get is when you're able to combine the two. And I really, and this is one of those things where, again, people get in their camps. You know, you've got the guides and girls who are super body weight oriented with rings and pull up bars and you know, all this bodyweight stuff and gymnastic type exercises. And then you've got the guys

and girls that do all the lift, you know, lift all the weights and dead lifts and overhead presses and dumbbells and barbells. And for some reason, they, you know, it's like my way is better and on my way is better. And it's like, whoa, you guys like fucking, you can both. There's benefits to both and even more benefit when you combine them. When you combine them, you get incredible results. And so the ideal way that I would recommend

people use maps anywhere is as a bridge. I think it's the best bridge program that's out there. So if you're doing maps in a baller, or maps aesthetic, or your own program, and you want a bridge to a new program. Let's say you want to go from, you know, one type of body parts split to a completely different type of adaptation. Maybe it's more strength training, a five by five, or one of our maps programs in between two. Try maps anywhere. And maps anywhere. The cool thing about it too, it's just a short, it's a relatively short cycle, right?

How long was the total cycle? I believe it was two two week phases if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think you're right. So you're looking at one month, a one month bridge. So I challenge you to do this. If you're working out of gym and you've been working out very consistently, don't even change your routine. In fact, this is what you do. For one month, for four weeks, do maps anywhere,

go back to your old routine and see how you feel. Watch what happens. Well, this is also, I want to your old routine and see how you feel. Watch what happens. Well, this is also, I want to remind people why you're talking about this right now. Just recently, Doug has now, so we've been doing this 30-day of coaching that you sign up for. It's free. You can get it right on the website and every day you get dripped a single topic. Well, one of the things that we just went back and did is even though it's designed to you kind of educate you over 30 days

Now you'll have complete access to all 30 days immediately when you first Sign up for this and what's really beneficial about that is now you're gonna get this glossary and you'll have all these topics So maybe you feel like you're well versed in protein carbs or fats But then when you get into mobility or you get into body weight exercises or you get into central nervous system which we talk about all these things, and you'll be able to highlight and click right on that and go like, oh, I wanna learn more about that. And then within that, we'll be all the videos

or podcast episodes where we've talked specifically about that in detail. So if you're not signed up for that, it's completely free. You just go to the website, mindbumpmedia.com, and then there'll be a pop up. Just opt in. Yeah, you opt right in, name, email, and then you guys will get all that information. It's completely free. So make sure you guys take advantage of that.

Fitness at large. How should someone who's on gear change their workouts? Yeah, gear. You know, it's some explain my gear risk because a lot of people are on the market. Yeah, steroids. Someone who's taking anabolic steroids, how should they change their workouts? No, it's explaining like, you're curious because a lot of people are like, yeah, steroids. Someone is taking anabolic steroids. How should they change their workouts?

Shreds bags. So, here's the thing with anabolic steroids. Do they work? Yes. Do they change your body on such a fundamental level that now you need to do completely different workouts? No. No.

The same rules apply. The difference is, you now can do more. You could just do more you could just do more more workouts more way more like Playing bowling with the bumper things. Yeah, it's like bowling with the bumper things. It's still bowling Yeah, I'm saying if you throw Like it's a hit pins. Yeah, but you just you know you can get away with some shit you get away with a lot more Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, cuz you I see a lot more. It's called bumper rails. Is that what it's called? Bumper rails?

Bumper rails? Guy doesn't even listen to us. Yeah. He doesn't care. We fuck you in here for. He's doing something else. Yeah, bumper rails, right? They'll take on T-dog.

You know, I think he's feisty. You just, you get a lot, you get away with a lot more. So this is why we always recommend if you plan on taking anabolic steroids, one of the best things you could do, and if your goal is to, obviously, if you're getting on steroids, you wanna build maximum muscle.

Here's the best thing you could do. Perfect your routine on your natural body. Yes. Then take anabolic. Yes, yes, yes. And then watch what happens. This is what I, this what, I tell you what, when I did the whole competing thing

and then I was doing online coaching, of course I'm going to attract a lot of high level competitors or guys that want to be high level competitors. And the first thing they all ask is what's the do? What test officer and do I take? How much, all this stuff. And every one of them, I tell all of them, listen, like one thing I will do is I will always, I'll answer whatever questions you have about that and and I'll take first

of all, I'm not a doctor. So I'm tell you that, get your blood work done, that's important. But if you have not taken the time to train yourself and get yourself in the best shape of your life without it first, don't do that. Don't do that. You're just gonna hide your shitty diet and routine, man. Not only that, but it's also setting yourself up with a very bad connection with the steroids. And that, like if I'm all a fan for you doing

whatever you wanna do to your body, for sure. Like I think everybody should have, I think it should, I don't think it should be illegal. That's my opinion. So I think if you wanna try it and you wanna do it, then do it, but I think everybody should have, I think it should, I don't think it should be illegal. That's my opinion. So, I think if you want to try it and you want to do it, then do it. But, I think that you should do your due diligence first. I think that you should go through the process of learning how to get yourself in shape completely natural.

That way, when you introduce something synthetic, you can actually see how much of that it's helping you. Otherwise, if you decide you're going to go in this hardcore training routine and you're going to go in this diet that someone so gave you and you're going to take this steroid cycle that someone gave you and then it's like, okay, well, which one of those is really doing most of the change in your body and you won't really know how to tweak each one of them individually to get more. So you first figure that out naturally.

And then when you add the dose of testosterone, testosterone is just going to take it all to the next level. It's like you otherwise, like Si was saying, you can get away with so much. You could have really shit programming, getting pretty decent results because you're on test oscarine. Because you don't have to pay attention to recovery time. You don't have to do all the best exercises. You could just stimulate, but you're going to be but you're going to see strength gains going up just because you're lifting weights and you're on testosterone, but you won't know if that's because you got good programming. Here's one piece of advice I'll give you if you're on gear is don't be careful with this. You don't get addicted to the pump in the gym.

Let me explain why I say that. When you're on anabolic and you lift weights in the gym, you will have the most amazing pumps you've ever had in your life. And they're addicting. Like you'll work out your lift and there's no matter what you do, you're going to get a silly skin type pump and it's going to feel amazing and it's going to skew your understanding of the effectiveness of your workout to the point where you'll get addicted to that feeling and then you'll go in the gym and then your goal is just to get the best pump possible.

And then you waste a lot of time on machine exercises and cable exercises and squeezing as much blood as possible in the muscle. And now don't get me wrong, the pump does have a role in building muscle, but if you get stuck there, you'll plateau in a big way. And I see a lot of juice heads stuck in this process,

where you see them in the gym, and they're big, you know, they're muscular, but they don't change, their bodies don't change, and you watch their workouts, and it consists of a lot of these pumping type movements, where they'll get the cable, and they'll squeeze one side for the cable crossover, and they'll do the sideways hammer strength

And they'll it's all about getting this fucking amazing pump But it's just it's a be careful because that signal Do you know getting on gears and necessarily I'm glad you went this way So I don't know if I shared this on the podcast or not, but I Was somebody who chased the pump like crazy. I'm also somebody who's taking plenty of testosterone and who chased the pump like crazy. I'm also somebody who's taking plenty of testosterone. And when I was doing that, one of the things that you always frustrated me was, God, I felt so amazing when I was in the gym.

When I was all pumped up, you know, I literally looked like I tripled in size. It was crazy. I was night and day difference when I remember to him tall, long, like a big muscle bellies, but I was like chasing the pump so much and I was so adapted to, I'm tall, long-lanky, of big muscle bellies, but I was chasing the pump so much, and I was so adapted to that, that I would, I would get this massive pump, but then I would deflate afterwards, and it really pissed me off.

Until I broke that cycle, I didn't realize how important it was to be out of that. And what I mean by that is when I started strength training more, and the heavy singles, and doubles, and training where I didn't feel all pumped up afterwards, I built way more muscle. And in return, now I walk around with, there's less of a difference between my pump and how I am now.

I've literally now, because I've built so much strength and built so much more muscle through lifting heavy weight and singles and not worrying about the pumps so much, but that was a very hard thing for me to break. When you've been chasing the pump. It's fucking addicting, yeah. Well, it is. Especially when you're on endabolic. Well, and it creates a new relationship, right?

Because you get these, when you do so many reps and you're pump, pump, pump, like you do five, six sets of this and that's all you're chasing, you get sore afterwards, you have this massive blood rush in the muscles, you look awesome because you're all filled up. So you tend to chase that all the time. Well, like anything else we talk about, you do that for four, six, eight, 10 weeks, 12 weeks.

You've been doing that for the last six months, training this way, your returns are diminishing, less and less and less, and less strength and muscle gains from that. All you're doing is just pumping up all these muscles. And what's the first step that people take when that starts to happen add more Test, I had more test and then they get a little bit bigger and they get a little bit more of a pump and this is why you see these

Fuzzy competitors who you're not that big fuzzy competitors. You're not that big and They're taking Gramps of testosterone a ridiculous like silly amount more than Arnold used to take way more than the guys in the 70s I when I when I went into the show where it was my second show I placed Worst in my first show and then they told me I was too shredded the first show So then I thought okay, well I can get bigger on this next show because I'm like too lean right so I added I added more testosterone and I went up to 400 milligrams of testosterone. Wait, so that, so was that, let me ask you this, if you don't mind going into that, because I know there's a lot of people who compete, who really want to hear these details, was

that the highest dose that you'd ever, that you had taken? Yeah, I mean, when you competed, when you were younger, did that sound? Oh, yeah, when I was younger, I did way more. Stupid shit, yeah, that's what fucked up my testosterone. Yeah, so you did, you did 400 milligrams of testosterone? Yeah, so which is, competitors right now are listening or like, that's it? Well, well, let's put it in a perspective. That actually, to me, I think is even really,

because I'm on TRT, so like, every two weeks right now, I do 150 milligrams of testosterone. That keeps me like normal. That keeps me like a 600 to 1000 free tests. I'm not like, so that's what, so at 150 every two weeks. So then when I was competing, I bumped that up to 250 milligrams in a week. And then when I had that after that first show, I thought, okay, I can add more so I could be bigger, right?

And then I went up to 400. When I went up to 400, the judges were like, whoa, we are just way too big for this. So I had to pull back. But the point I'm trying to make is that this whole time I'm, I'm program, I'm going through our programs, when I'm programming, I'm training that. So I'm getting every, you know, every three months and every time I'm jumping in a new show, I'm putting size and muscle mass on. And it wasn't because I kept increasing the doses, it was because I was good. Yeah, good programming, good diet, everything else, good training, everything going along

with it, and so I had to go scale back. So then after that, I never, even when I got to the professional level, I never had to go over 350 milligrams of testosterone to reach this level of size. And if anything, I had to be more careful on how much it took from getting too big. So a lot of these guys in the men's physique world, they keep pumping more test to us around to try and reach this size of a pro. And it's like, dude, I'll tell you right now, I, and I have poor genetics. I do not have bodybuilder genetics.

Those that see me right now, you see what my body wants to look like. This is a very normal look for me like this lean basketball player look like that's my body type. It takes a lot of work and effort for me to put the mass on. So the amount of testosterone that I needed to assist that is not very much whatsoever. So right away if you're a men's physique guy and and I tell you, even if you think you have shit genetics, like I know for sure, sure I do if you're doing 500 milligrams of testosterone more You're way more than way more and you need to address the other issues and people don't realize that they actually start to saturate their receptor sites and Down regulate them so you'll see these guys who are on Grounds of gear and aren't getting anything out of it anymore. Yeah, and then you'll see other guys who go off go back on

It's like boom., oh my God, I'm responding a lot to these steroids again. People realize like there's definitely a science to using antibiotics, but do not disregard your programming because in the hierarchy of things that are important exercise programming is above antibiotics steroids. Wait, wait, wait, wait, I think it's why

I'm so passionate about this and what we do because it's not because I'm sitting over here judging. Others at all, it's, fuck, way way away about it. I think it's why I'm so passionate about this and what we do because It's not because I'm sitting over here judging others at all as fuck man I did it, you know, I went through that like I I was the same way too and I thought that oh I'd need to take more more and more of this and that's what got me in trouble with now my testosterone shit And I have testosterone of a fucking 60 year old because as a 20 year old I was taking this gear thinking that that was going to. The funny thing too is you took,

when you were younger, you know, when you killed your natural testosterone, you took way higher doses, and you didn't even come close to the size of muscularity that you had, you know, recently with way, way lower doses. Oh, way, way, way less and way more, but that was because it took years and years of me piecing that together. That understand that. Yeah. Holy shit. There's more.

Do you think the gear when you were, uh, when you were doing this as a kid, you think just come, it slowed down your learning process when it came to programming? Oh, absolutely. Because even then as a young kid, the reason why I would come on and off on and off all time was because I, that's why why I say those, the things that I say is not because I'm fucking some outsider looking in. I'm fucking went through all this. Like, you think you start to connect the, like, bet cause, okay, if you're somebody who has okay programming.

So remember, I'm a trainer, so I think I got good programming. Yeah, you got, so let's just say you're an average jane or Joe or maybe you're even a trainer and you think you're, you're pretty good at programming. You know pretty much about nutrition. You know where your protein intake needs to be. So you think you know a lot about all that stuff, and then you slap gear on there,

and then you get to a size you've never been before. And then you come off, and then you shrink back down. And then, so now you start to connect like, oh man, if I ever wanna look that way, I have to be on this. I gotta be on gear, and then you're like, fuck, I ever want to look that way, I have to be on this. I got to be on gear and then you're like, fuck, I really, and you remember what it feels like to be on it. You fuck, you fuck like a 20 year old, you feel amazing. All your muscle bellies are filled up.

You got veins in your dick. Like you feel awesome, right? It's like you walk, you walk in and like test, osterome just come bleeds off of you and women come falling. It's just amazing. So you become very addictive. We should sell to stuff. Vainey. Well, you become. You become. You become addicted to that feeling.

Yeah. And, and then, and you connect that feeling, that, that level of size and everything to the testosterone when you'd be surprised how far you can get all naturally. You'd be more than surprised. You'd be shocked if you just dialed in your fucking programming. I have a friend who I've known for a very long time and he's been running gear since we were kids on and off. And we were talking back and forth and he's like, dude, he goes, my legs are fucking huge

and he's showing me a picture. And his legs look ridiculous. And I'm like, whoa, what are you doing? Did you go on more gear, like what's going on? And he goes, no, he goes, I'm squatting three days a week, like you said. And it's like just a simple, like, ad frequency. And his legs have grown bigger.

Imagine that. Then he's ever been. And Doug, when he came to me as a client, he was not an inexperienced lifter. In fact, I would love to throw Doug on some top. I'm sorry. No, dude. You would fucking out. Can we do that? He'd make us look silly. He was not an inexperienced lifter in fact I would love to throw Doug on some You would fucking out you do that. He'd make us look silly You won't tell him. We'll just put it in his his his his milking like that little horn devil guy Yeah, it's on your right shoulder

Just sprinkle some testosterone dog came in hey man He was experienced he'd followed the classic bodybuilder programming. Consistent. You guys know Doug how meticulous he can be. He did body for life. He did body for life. What was the best clients for all that? He did everything. Everything.

And he came to me and literally said to me, I have bad muscle building genetics. He said, I have poor muscle building genetics. Now, if you saw his before and after, after lifting with me for about a year and a half or two years, you would not fucking think that. And in fact, as a trainer who's trained thousands of people, I can tell you right now, Doug does not have terrible genetics for muscle building.

He's got better than average muscle building genes, but he had no fucking idea because his programming was not ideal. And then all of a sudden, at the age of, I think it was 48 or 49 when we took those after pictures, six pack and all muscular and everything like that. It makes a huge difference. Moral story is, learn how to really train your body first and eat right first. It's just going here in the thick magic. It's just like the other day we had a Q&A and I kind of ranted on somebody who fell off

of their diet when they're getting ready to compete. I'm like, if you have a problem with binging and you can't stick to a diet, like you have no reason to compete. If you can't diet yourself down and get in the best shape of your life naturally, you have no business on gear. That's how I look at that.

You should not be trying to drive a high performance vehicle when you're still learning how to drive the current one you're in right now. So master that and then hey, if you fucking you're down to do something crazy like that and you want to and you want to drive something that fast, then do it. But otherwise, you're just silly. You're never going to win the race. Exactly.

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