Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 501: FST-7 Review, Eliminating Personal Hygiene Poisons, Life’s Defining Moments & MORE

Episode Date: May 3, 2017

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And just like drink a glass of scotch And like fucking have a good time with the big alright guys Time to start this shit. Pour me another double double malt over there I want to get so rich that he's drinking like baby seal blood or something Some endangered species get him like you know $10,000 sunglasses for no reason like what are you eating over there? You're like, oh, this is a panda meat? Panda meat. Yeah, that's really good.

That's what I'm gonna do. When we eat from China, we're gonna buy him some bad ass like Paul Schaefer type glasses, but his own style, that are like, right? Like Chrome hearts, dude. Those are like $3,000 sunglasses I'm gonna get you. Chrome hearts?

Yeah, I look forward to this. Adam's fucking heart. Adam, I know what you're gonna do. You're gonna buy everybody. He needs leather pants useless expensive shit You've talked about this so many times. No, I'm not gonna buy you that own sharks real. I'm not gonna buy that for you It would be a waste You had to show to your house You imagine you showed to your house. Yeah, and your buddy bought you a giraffe.

Is it in your backyard? Hi, you have really tall trees. Yeah. You're like, what the fuck do I do now? I got a giraffe. My giraffe. You know why I frankly, that's so funny? It's so funny because you'd be like,

it's almost more of a hassle to get rid of a giraffe. You'd be like, fuck, dude, you son of a bitch. Like, do I really want to get rid of it? Or did I just try and feed and walk this thing? What do I do with it? Do you walk it? What do you do? Do you walk a? Do you walk it? Do you walk it your raft? Walking to my house is a lion. Yeah.

It's gonna change in the middle of the living room. What the fuck? Happy birthday! Dude, so, um, I can see that. I know you guys are probably wondering why my hair looks so tight. Oh, it's so nice. Yeah, what happened to my friend? Is that one of those mistakes where they get, oops, that was a little bit shorter than when you came in. No, so I went to, so my son needed to get up.

I like it. And it short doesn't look bad, I don't give a fuck. Here's a deal. I realized something a while ago. I used to go to an expensive stylist, good friend of mine, by the way, and he's a fucking amazing, he does an amazing job. But my hair's so basic, and I am,

I mean, and let's be honest, I really don't care anyway. But, and it was expensive. Your hair cut says that, but. Yeah, who cares? So then I went to the $20 barber and he cut it, and it wasn't as good, but it was good enough, right? So I'm like, fuck it, I'm just gonna pay, I'm just gonna go to supercuts from now,

who cares, right? So, with my son yesterday, he needed a haircut. And if you guys recall, when you guys were kids, Adam, this is, I know something you remember, we had a lot of hair and it grew really fast, right? So you're gonna have fun memories over here. So, your hair grows fast when you're a little boy, right? And so my son's got like this mop head.

So I'm like, all right, let's go get a haircut. And the barber was closed yesterday. So I'm like, where am I gonna go? And then I remember there was a place called sport clips or sport, I think it's called sport clips. Sport clips, have you been there? Yeah, okay. So like lockers and you're looking at TV.

It's the most sports, I love it. It's the most like sexist towards men thing I've ever been in my entire life. It's a brilliant business model. Actually it was just started like a year before when I was creating, I was writing a business plan for a hair salon called Top Off. And they were our number one competitor

if I was gonna say I had a competitor. But dude, so I go in there and this is what they do. They're obviously trying to attract men, right? So it's like, yeah, it's a place for guys or whatever. So you go in there and they just try too hard. They have seating so that it looks like you're at a sporting event. And there's like a big screen TV with sports on.

And it's like all this sport memorabilia. And it's like they're trying really hard to attract men because apparently all men like sports, right? Except for me. And then just immediate, made you uncomfortable. But not a single male barber. It's all, like if you went to supercuts It's all

Vietnamese women cutting your hair just like that supercuts same thing Yeah, then nobody speaks really good English and you go in the great, you know, they do the thing But there's no difference between this and supercut except it says sports everywhere Brilliant marketing. It's not cuz it's fucking way more expensive It's fucking brilliant is what it is. They are huge. So you need to go to the hipster ones where they have, they all have like crazy stylized beards and their eyebrows and their hairs all like ridiculous.

Like I saw one of those when I was down in San Luis Obispo and they give you the straight razor and they do like the hot, hot wax and they pull out your nose hairs with the hot wax on kinds of shit your nose hairs with the hot wax. Oh, I'm kind of shit. It's, dude, I'll tell you something. Awesome.

There is a huge need in the market for this, especially where we're at. Say Silicon Valley and San Francisco. That's more. There should be a real barber shop. Yeah, this is what we had designed, right? So this was actually, we were trying to be, Kate, sports clips is kind of like what I would call like the hooters of hair cut, right? That's what they are.

And we were trying to be like more of the upscale version of that. So, you know, my goal was to get a very like, you know, manly man, but to do kind of metrosexual things. And so, you know, right now like if you're a guy and you go get your nails done and you get your hair done like by actual salon or if you like, lined up with your beard, it's kind of on this, like, metro-sexual side, but,

dude, there's nothing wrong with keeping your hair line tight, with cleaning all your shit up, like, there's nothing, like, feminine about that, like, it's just taking care of yourself. And for a long time, that we've really, as we've really made fun of men for doing that, and you've seen this pendulum swinging, and there's a huge market for appealing to this type of a guy. So the business plan that we had I'd written back in 2000 and about eight or nine was called top off. And the concept was you would walk into this place and you know, so imagine sports clips without all the

sports bullshit, but like a real high-end look. So we had it designed to wear like the floors or like this kind of like garage like laminated like concrete type floors. And then the sides of the walls were that sheet metal look along the outside. And then each one of the salons, each one of the stations were the girls would keep all their stuff would be the red toolboxes. Like you would have like in a garage, like the red toolbox, you know, where the drawers are. All the women would wear cut off gene shorts and then they would have their, where they'd keep their, all their scissors tools or anything would be in a tool belt. Look like a leather tool belt,

where they wear them so they have like this whole construction and just wear pasties. Well, no, the top they're actually tops I had designed were like these cute bikini tops that said top off, but it was very classy like so the idea was to Very classy. It was it wasn't it's doesn't maybe it doesn't sound like it the way you're envisioned the way it was drawn up and the amount of money that we had I mean it was going to be a quarter million dollars just for the build out for all this. So it wasn't gonna be chinsy at all. I don't know. I just can't. Well, this was during the era too with that one coffee shop that like had the, that was like sort of their gimmick, right? That that opens up. Yeah, the girls and the keys. They get trouble though. No, there's like 60 of those here in San

San. Yeah, but in a bunch of them, they're shut down. No, I thought someone got shut down because it was like, they tried to. Like stuff. Yeah, they're seeing that's a whole another business in the market. I would want one more like, we saw over there with the cigar bar kind of feel.

So it's like a gentleman's club where it's got like, but I mean, there's room for that too, obviously. I'm just saying that for me personally, I keep looking for a barbershop that's got like, you know, but that, I mean, there's room for that too. Obviously, I'm just saying that like for me personally, like, I keep looking for a barber shop that's like, you know, it's like, it's like a, it's like a gentleman's club, you know, so you go in and you, you smell those kind of mnog and ease with, you know, yeah, I see a, you can smoke a cigar. Like, you just think of that, think of a blend of what you're probably envisioning that I'm saying right now with a like real high-end cigar lounge,

like that type of feels, very masculine. Yeah. And manly, but then very high-end, and they would do everything. You could do lining your beard up, can do, you get your scalp massage, all kinds of, and then, yeah, you'd have to, and it'd be high price.

So this would not be like trying to compete with sports clips. Those are the only people that were doing something that was appealing to the similar market as I was, but I also wanted to capture, I wanted to capture the Metro Sectuals and the guys that are like manly men would actually come into these places,

because the only appeal that would be like sports clips is the still you would have the hairstylist be good-looking women that would be cutting hair, but they couldn't just be a, which I'm gonna call it. Yeah, they gotta do a good job. Because you know what, it has to be. Dude, when I went to like, it was sports clips

or it was like the other one's super cuts, I walked out there and I was like, feeling my head. They gave me like a Yamaka. Like the back one. It had a huge patch that was like on the very, like on my cowlick, you know, I was like, what in the fuck? Like I was like, do I go back in there?

Well, you hear, how do they fuck your hair up? Yours is easy. You get a real short and just like keep it short, man. Just a little nice and tight and faded. And it's a done deal. What you guys do this weekend? I went to the weekend. That was actually you.

You went to what? I went to the weekend. Yeah, he was in the weekend. Yeah, it was like three levels of weekend. He's an he's an artist. Okay. He sings music Fucking rad concert actually. Yeah, probably Probably crack top what's five. I don't know who that is you don't know who the weekend is you do actually so it's starboy tour The star I know the weekend. He makes fun of me. You don't know the weekend is like. Oh, no, no, it's okay Justin No, listen. I'll take you through

Weekend he makes fun of me you don't know the weekend is like oh no, no, it's okay Justin. No listen. I'll take you through Yeah, no, I'll play some of his music, but what is it? What do you mean what is it? R&B rap hip-hop he's kind of what makes him a little more you need than mostly just regular eyes Is he can actually fucking sing too? So you can rap any can sing he does a lot of stuff He just yeah, I think he had G easy come up on his last tour. He did some stuff with, he did a song with Kendrick Lamar. He's probably one of your, the last two albums he's put out is some of the best pop R&B type music that's out there right now in the radio.

So he's a big deal right now. So I know you guys don't follow that genre at all, but good shit though, really good stuff. And it was probably one of the better performances I've seen. And I've seen quite a few concerts, so it was top notch. I was actually really impressed with it. I did that and I did something else. You know what's interesting along those lines, I was watching Netflix and my wife was

gone this whole weekend, so I just did a shit ton of stuff. We'll get to that. But this one documentary about design and there was, there was this lady, try, des something or other, but she was a set designer and she's done everything from you to to Beyonce, Jay-Z, and she creates like all of that stuff that you go to watch at the concerts, like how you visually see these glowing boxes. And remember when we were at U2, how cool that was, how they had this catwalk, and then you walked through the lights and then the lights told the story, the whole thing through that.

So she designs all that kind of stuff and explain her process with all that. And then like, dude, she's so out of the box thinking, if you watch, I highly recommend it. It's just, it was like blown my mind like how, you know, she comes up with these ideas and they're all like six. Yeah, I love, see, I enjoy shows. I mean, God, you went to you too, which is, if not in my opinion, a lot of people's opinion that's been to a lot of concerts is the best concert you could ever go to. I mean, they're, they're just a spectacle in itself. I'm not even a YouTube fan, like I don't listen to YouTube music. Right. But there, so like my, you know, Bruce, who's the connection I have with the SAP Center, he's seen hundreds of concerts. I've probably seen a hundred myself, maybe a little more. And you too, it's like all these concerts, like the weekend was awesome, probably in my

top five, maybe at least top 10 for sure. Then there's you too, they're in their own class, they're like, nobody comes close to them. And that's because the performance they put on and the level that they are, they come in with all their own stuff and they take over the entire stadium. You could literally be somebody who is deaf and you could fucking enjoy the show. Because it's such a visual person, it's off the charts. I tell people all the time, like, go see that even if you're not even a fan of the music,

because they put on such an amazing show. You went to the boardwalk, didn't you? Yeah, you did some bit in my book. Was that crazy or what? Dude, there were so many people. Dude, there are eight degrees in on my god bed. Dude, because the weather was just fantastic. And I honestly avoided at all costs,

especially when it's like that nice, because I know it's gonna be ridiculous and crowded. And so my wife had left for like a couple days for this weekend. She went to go visit somebody actually an Idaho near Spokane. And so I was just like, I gotta get out of the house. I gotta do staff, you know, constantly. So I took them all over the place. But then, you know, they're like, they always want to go to the boardwalk Courtney hates being around crowds of people. So she'll never go. So

I'm always the guy that they're like, Dad, it's our time, you know, let's go to boardwalk. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so I just was like, you know what? Let's go hard. Let's like do it like and do it 100%. And so we got like, you know, the unlimited rides, like all three of us and like, we're just

hopping left the ride, all these different rides. Every ride we could get on we got on and They convinced me I ate ahead of time like a healthy meal before hand too because I was like I don't want to eat any of Their shit they got there. It's like awful fun. Okay. Oh my god It's they need you to feel like corn dogs have corn dogs are the healthiest thing they have there. Yeah Corn dogs take so that was the deal is like okay. we got to eat first, and then we'll go, and it was so hot all I ended up buying there was water, and they really, really want to get their face painted.

And I was just like, really? You want to do that? Like your face paint. I was like, all right, you know, they're not asking me for ice cream or anything. They're just like, I really want to get my face painted. So my oldest, he gets his face painted like this scary like day of the dead like like skull, right?

He's seven years old. My youngest, of course, he does like this Batman, you know, cool Batman sign on his face. It was like really cool, but my oldest. He's so funny because he owns this like, this, this skull face. He's walking around. He starts like trying to intimidate people. And he's like, looking and staring him down. It's like, you got stuff doing that.

And then we're in line. And he's just like, like, kind of staring off in this little girl, like, from the distance kind of looks over. And she's like, like, like hugs her mom, you know, and he looks over. And then he sees that she's like pointing at him and looking at him. And then so he's just like staring at her, you know, like really creepy, like look at her and say. I'm like, I'm like, hitting on like, you're scaring her. Look straight ahead. But on the inside, you're like, that's what I was dying. It was funny.

It was funny because he was owning it. You know, he's walking around all tough and like, you know, staring people down is pretty funny. That's great, man. We had a good time. We went and hiked, what's your maca'alat? San Antonio, San Antonio Rancho. Is that a nice, actually, that was cool. So, yeah, because the other ones are fucking hiked. After, after, and it's still, you know, it was warm outside and I got a little sweat going on. There's enough of a climb that you get up,

you feel like you get a little bit of a workout. It was perfect, but I could talk. So we brought my best friend and his girl were up in town and we all this after the night of weekend where the girls got fucked up, right? So we take the girls all this sweet. They drank till they was out of alcohol and they were all hungover, but they rallied up and said,

hey, because we had planned okay, we have to we all go out and have a good time. We're gonna go do this hike the next day. So we all did. And I was a little skeptical after the experience with Mission Peak and how miserable that was that I was like, you know what, if we're going to do, you're going to give me this hike thing, which I'm not a huge fan of as it is, I want to be able to like enjoy the company of my friends.

Like, I don't want to be like, that be like, I'm not into that right now. I'm especially when you're the fitness guy. Yeah, you're not dying. Yeah, yeah, no. And so this one was great. You know, this one I could walk and we could talk. We had a good time. So that was definitely up my alley.

Dude, I got, I actually almost, I almost forgot to tell you guys this. So one of the great thing about young kids is that they're super honest. And it's, it's can be And it can be hilarious and uncomfortable. And uncomfortable. So my girlfriend was cooking dinner for me in the kids the other night.

And we eat different than the way my kids will eat when they're with their mom or with their grandma. Cause obviously their mom is, you know, she was born in Italy, so she cooks very traditional Italian type foods and so does my mom. And my girlfriend doesn't really cook that way. She's a very good cook in her own right, but it's different, right? And it's more around kind of like, you know, the keto lifestyle type of stuff, right? But when my kids are there, she tries to kind of accommodate. And my kids are, can, or kids in general are very difficult to please when you feed them.

Everybody knows dinner times, when most difficult times with children. So my girl went to the grocery store and she's like, I'm gonna buy a bunch of stuff because I'm gonna see if I can make something that the kids really wanna eat. And she knows the kids like pasta with pesto. So she goes and buys Pesto in the jar.

She brings it back and she's like, oh, I got Pesto, I'm gonna make Pesto with Pesto and I see it and I already know. Like, because they're used to the real deal. I'm like, I don't want to say anything. I mean, you can't give it to her. I also can't give my Italian kids fucking fake Pasta.

I know already, like I'm like, okay, let's see what happens, right? So she makes pasta. And she puts the, you know, pot and it's organic and all that stuff, but it's in a jar. It doesn't matter. Like my mom literally picks the fucking leaves from the yard, blends them in her own blender and add her own heat with that. Everything fresh, right? From the garden. And right, like literally that day, you eat that pesto, okay? So there's just nothing in a jargon compare. So anyway, she makes it with the pasta

and my daughter right away is just like, I'm not eating this, she just looks at, I'm not eating it. I'm like, you gotta try a little bit and she takes it off, so like, I don't want this. Right at that moment, my mom facetimes me. So I'm talking to my mom, my mom's like, hey, let me talk to the kids right now. I'm like, okay.

So she's talking to my daughter and she's like, hey, she goes, hey, what are you guys eating for dinner? And I'm like, oh, we had pasta with Pesto and she goes, how did you like it? My daughter's like, it was terrible. Oh, no. Oh, no. Her exact, in front of Jess.

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Her exact words. It was terrible. And my mom's like, what do you mean it was terrible? She goes, it tastes like nothing. It was horrible. And then my daughter, I think, you know,

because she's very honest. She's like, but the chicken was excellent. Like she's trying to be cool, you know, and it was, it was, she did eat all her chicken. But yeah, but after that, and I was fucking dying, dude, I was cracking up the whole time because you can't get mad at a kid for being honest. I know. She's not being mean, she's just being straight up. But you could tell, like, I was cracking up the whole time because you can't get mad at a kid for being honest. I know.

She's not being mean, she's just being straight up. But you could tell, like, just was like, fuck man, I try so hard to make this kid to give them something that they want to eat. Right. And I'm trying to explain to her, I'm like, listen, I'm like, these kids were raised on like, you know, sauce that, you know, my mom made, you know what I mean

for the yard, like, like, it's not, it's just not gonna work, like just do your thing. Don't worry about it. She could tell she was like, we're thing Don't worry about she can tell she was like we're gonna different Yeah, you can tell she's like fuck they're never gonna like my I'm like no it's different like you're cooking for different things Different styles like it was terrible different road Yeah, no filter there was no there was no like nice like well it was different I do you when that comes out is it like this? This how does your gut feel

like right afterwards? Are you feel, you feel bad for your husband? So I give her a hug, you're like, yeah, come here. No, I thought it was funny because it wasn't, that's what it was. She was, it was, it did you laugh? It's so hard. I was laughing so hard because she was just being honest.

You did. It wasn't, she wasn't trying to be mean. No, of course not. Of course not. She was just trying to be honest. Like little kids, I remember one my, when my, who was it? Wasn't my son, wasn't my son?

I think when my son, when he was a little guy, and I went and woke him up and bad, I think he was like two, two and a half maybe, and I go to give him a kiss, and he looks at me and he goes, you face smells, because I guess I had bad breath at the morning when my kids are just honest, dude. You can't get mad at him for being honest. Yeah, just nice and rough.

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Quique-cwa. First up is Machi Dog. Yo, yo, yo. So what was your defining moment that changed your why with regards to lifting nutrition and working out? So what do you think they mean about what do they think they will what do you think they mean with this question? Why?

Like why you do these things or like what your motivation is behind them? Yeah, it's an aha moment maybe. Well, yeah, I mean, I mean okay, so lifting nutrition working out was there, I mean, we talk a lot about how we were driven by insecurities at the very beginning, right? So we all felt a certain way about ourselves. That's what motivated us to initially get to the gym and start lifting weights. What moment was there a moment in our life that made us go like, it's no longer about that. It's about this. That's a good way to put it, right? Yeah, that's a good way. For me, there was a, there was a couple of them. to put it, right? Yeah, that's a good way. For me, there was a couple of them. The first one was when I got into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. So when I first started lifting weights, it was very compulsive. And as Adam said, I was driven by the fact that I felt insecure

about the way I looked, inadequate, all those different things. So I lived to weights to get as big and as strong as possible, because it was like my, it was like an identity that I was trying to create. Well, when I got into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, a lot of that weight and size didn't benefit me because I needed to learn the technique. And plus I couldn't move super well. And so what I did was I replaced one, you know, addiction, if you will, for another. And I dedicated myself to Jujitsu, which meant I kind of broke the chain's resistance training. I still lifted weights,

but my attachment to it became a little different because now I was training for performance. Now at this point, it still wasn't what I would consider a healthy relationship with exercise, but it was like a stepping stone still wasn't what I would consider a healthy relationship with exercise, but it was like a stepping stone, you know what I'm saying? It's almost like when we get those clients who are smokers and they quit smoking so then they become addicted to cardio or lifting weights. And it's not that you didn't go from like smoking to like, you have this great relationship

to exercise, you're just replacing one addiction for the other and hopefully you replace it with a better one as a stepping stone. And that's kind of what happened with Jiu Jitsu for me. Like, I let my body get lighter. I didn't worry so much about being big because I noticed that I could do better in Jiu Jitsu with without getting super, super big.

And so that was a bit of a big moment for me with working out, but it was later on that it really changed for me. And I was, I hate to say this, but it wasn't by choice. It was by, I got forced. I got forced to reevaluate what nutrition and exercise meant for me because I had just felt like out of nowhere. And if, you know, mainly I felt out of nowhere because I ignored all the signs

that my body was sending me. But I got to a point where I was just no matter what I ate, I had horrible stomach issues, horrible. Like for me, it was basically diarrhea, inflammation, heartburn, and- Enough of like that to change your why, huh? Well, I mean, imagine this, imagine losing,

here's a guy who, I gotta build muscle, I gotta be strong, right? And just losing 12, 15 pounds over the course of a few weeks. And there's nothing you could do to stop it. Like, I'm eating what I thought was clean. I'm, you know, I'm going to the doctor. I'm still lifting weights. And now I'm trying to take supplements

because I'm trying to make up for it. And I'm just losing weight. And it's just, I feel crappy. I look crappy. And it was a wake-up call. And I, at that point, I had to really examine food from a completely different angle, different than just macros, calories, and the like. I really had a dig deeper.

Luckily, I worked with some people who were very versed in food intolerances and things like inflammatory bowel issues, leaky gut syndrome. And I used to scoff at some of the stuff that they would teach and say, although I respected it for myself, I never would apply it. I had to, I was forced to kind of take their advice and watch and wait and allow my body to heal. And it took me over the course of a year to do so. And over that year, I really started to value my health on a different level. And that was the beginning of me really starting to train

and exercise for what I consider the right reasons for myself. I could think for me like having a similar kind of moment but more from strictly a performance end. So a performance end kind of blending into more healthier practices and a more holistic approach is where I ended up. But just all those years of training and it

was all geared around performance. And it was listening to coaches and just it was really more autopilot. So I lifted I lifted to produce. I lifted to promote whatever it was I was doing in the sport in the time. And I trusted the coaches a lot to kind of do the programming for me with that. And so what I was really focused on was discipline, mental discipline, having the fortitude, having the ability to overcome things. And so that was the entire engine that I was running off of was to have that sort of, I could be a workhorse and I could work myself harder than everybody around

me and that's all, that was my go-to throttle for everything that defined me. So you ignored like signals, everybody's like, yeah, it's just too hard, too hard or like didn't even know what recovery the word meant. So I think once I started to understand, well, it really took me getting out of that environment to assess that and understand that, well, I'm not moving as much as I was and so I've found I had this like panic internally and I actually let myself go and I got you know I got overweight and rapidly because that intensity it's at such a different end of the spectrum that like if you can't maintain that you get depressed and then you're not motivated

to go back and attack it right away. Like, oh, I'll get back to that. And then I'll get back to that and then it just keeps getting further and further away from you. And so it took me to understand myself further and take more reasonable steps towards it. And that's when I started to realize, I was like, wow, I still move great.

I still have good conditioning, my body's changing, but I'm doing like half of what I was doing before. And then I started assessing that further. And then that brought me into mobility. And then the mobility, I started just focusing more on the movement of what I was doing, the quality of the movements, and I just, I could see myself responding even more powerfully in these movements, and it was just, I had this sort of a-ha thing with that.

Like, hey, what if I did that? Like, midseason, and I planned this out a lot better, and oh god I've been such a better athlete so just hammering myself so hard so There's uh There's levels of this shit. That's how I look at it and I don't I don't I think I'm I will forever be defining my why Um, I think early on I I realized for me like I got into fitness I realized for me, like I got into fitness, honestly, because I was really good in sales. And I put that together really early that this was selling yourself

and I was communicating with people on a daily basis. And I kind of fell in love with it. And then I kind of convinced myself really on that, what a cool job I get to do, that the better I get at it, the more I continue to improve, the better I get at selling health and fitness to others. So I was actually very driven financially in the business side of it. I didn't have, I wasn't a kid who was like, you know, it was into sports. I wasn't like Justin where I connected those dots

early on where I was like, so into it, I didn't have somebody who was mentoring me and teaching me how to train my body correctly I had bad coaches who had us doing terrible workouts to and so I didn't see any carry over into the Bassball quarter whatever sport I was playing at the time so for me when I got into it I was in my 20s and it kind of fell on my lap like I remember just kind of getting into working out and being interested in that and then seeing a guy that was a personal trainer at the gym going, oh, this would be kind of a cool job to do while I went to school. And that's how it started.

And I instantly fell in love with it. And why I fell in love with it. I fell in love with people and helping people. And before that, I kind of thought maybe I might go the direction of being like a counselor at one point. And I kind of found real early like, well, this is a lot of what my job is like. And for me, the more like the why for me,

I'm always trying to challenge myself to do things that are outside my comfort zone and different. Like you'll see that I'll never stay focused on the same thing. I love to set a goal that's within this health and fitness world and go after it. And I love to go after different boxes.

Like everybody wants to put everybody in this, oh, you're a sports performance guy. Oh, you're like a all natural hippie guy or oh, you're this body builder guy. Like, no, fuck that. Don't you can't put me in a box because I'll jump out that box within a few months watch. So I'm always like priding myself.

I'm always priding myself on challenging that. And what I realized, and I put together really early was, and this is getting to the why part of it, is that as I continue to do that, I continue to grow that, I continue to grow and be a better trainer, a better human and healthier. And so it's like this double win for me. It's like, wow, the more I put myself out of my comfort zone and challenge myself and

other avenues of health and fitness, I continue to grow, expand my knowledge. I can speak on topics that a year or two before I wouldn't be able to speak on. And it just made me a better trainer, a better leader, a better communicator. And so a lot of my motivation for what I do in regards to lifting, nutrition, and working out is to be better at what I do for a living. And I really enjoy that. I really get a kick out of, and I'm right now, it's funny we bring this topic up right now. I have a couple of things that I'm throwing around right now that I might start to focus on that I've never done. It's totally out of my comfort zone and would challenge me physically and mentally. I've been really heavily focused on mobility for the last year and a

half or so and not to say like I'm done with that and I'm moving on to something else, but you just entered for American Ninja Warrior. Yeah, right? Yes. So, you know, I don't think there was a specific defining moment where it was like this aha for me. I think we're always evolving and I'm always finding the why and I'm always challenging myself to actually evaluate that because finding the why and I'm always challenging myself to actually evaluate that because you know, I remember when we had Erica fit love on the show and she talked about her why and she talked about that moment for her when she was sitting on the couch and she she told her child know that she wasn't going to get up and play play with them because she felt so lazy and that was like this huge moment for her that is now catapulted her to where she's at now. huge moment for her that is now catapulted her to where she's at now. And I think all fitness people have similar type stories of like something that maybe jump started you.

But to me, that's like very, that's still the very beginning. That first motivator is normally a major insecurity that drove us to first get into it. Like we talk about in the show, you know, what drove me originally was, okay, I was the skinny kid and I didn't like being skinny and I want to be more muscular, but that was a very beginning. I feel I've evolved way beyond. You have to, if you don't, you'll stop.

I mean, if you don't, you'll stop, or you'll get sick or you'll hurt yourself. Right. Because guys in their mid-30s who still work out, because they're insecure about being skinny, have health problems now, because they've been taking, you know, shit tons of gear and eating all these, problems now, because they've been taking, you know, shits tons of gear and eating all these stuff all the time

and, you know, going crazy. And we know these guys, we know them, because I worked with a lot of these guys who just never evolved past that. And this is why I challenge people all the time that I meet like when they, you know, swear by a workout, like, oh, I love orange theory, oh, I love CrossFit, oh, I love doing this,

oh, I love doing that, like they have their CrossFit, oh, I love doing this, oh, I love doing that, like they have their thing that they love, and that's all they do, and I'm like, that's great, you know, to each their own, man, if you love taking those clusters or you love this modality of training, but really, man, you would really benefit by weaving in and out as many different modalities and learning about what each of them brings to you,

and, you know, it's not about just finding the one. Like, I loved training like all mobility type stuff right now. I love training to be a competitor. I love training like a power lifter. Like, I love all those things. That's the idea is like, you've- And you learn, you learn from each of these, you know, I mean, I remember years ago,

I was gonna go on vacation somewhere that was sunny and so I said, oh, I want to get lean and I want to look good for the beach or whatever. And at the time, I was online and I'd always been fascinated by strong men, strong men from the turn of the century before even protein powder supplements. And there was this website, and I came from the name of the website I wish I remember because I'd love to plug them and I went on there and they had these books that were written by some of these old strong men and For shits and giggles I ordered one of them like this is kind of cool I want to see what this looks like and I noticed that all of them

trained their whole body Frequently and it kind of hit me and I'm like I wonder if I took my current workout and I just, instead of doing a body part a day, I just split, I did more frequently and did the same amount of volume for the week. And so what I did was I took my whole workout and I divided it in two. So now instead of hitting chest once a week,

I was hitting it twice a week, 10 sets each time, instead of 20 sets of one workout. And I'll never forget like being blown away by my body's progress. And every time I've made, you know, one of those leaps of faith, and it is a leap of faith because you get stuck, right? You get stuck in your little hamster wheel, like,

and you're afraid, I don't wanna stop 30 minutes of cardio every single day because the second I stop that, I'm like, it's fatter, I don't wanna stop doing my super heavy dead lifts once a week because if I stop that, then I'm gonna lose muscle. Or if I don't,, because the second I stop that, I'm like, if I don't want to stop doing my super heavy dead lifts once a week, because if I stop that, then I'm a loose muscle, or if I stop squatting, or if I stop squatting, or you just justify it

because it's working for you. Right, I like it, it works for me. I'm telling you, you will learn so much about your body by trying some of these different things, and this is what, that's kind of the, that was one of the first things that led me towards, you know, looking at, you looking at maps kind of programming, which now obviously is far superior.

And it's just one of those things. I remember the first time I used the foam roller, blew my fucking mind. Or the first time I tried intraset stretching or occlusion training, or all these different singles, doing heavy singles, sets of heavy singles, blew my mind.

The first time I trained, you know, I'm like, why don't I try training like a towel? I gotta stop you right there. So here's something. This is where I think a lot of people make a mistake is, and this is where you're different because you have this mind right to be able to to build and disseminate this information. It's most people get that experience like somebody introduces them to a modality, right? And they see results or they they have this like mind blowing experience like, holy shit, I've never felt this good. I've never been in this good shape. And they attach it to the modality or the thing. And then they fucking marry that. And I don't care

what it is, whether it be kettlebells, Olympic lifting, powerlifting, CrossFit, Orange Theory, whatever it is, somebody at one point introduced them to this modality and it was far enough from what they were so used to that their body responded in such an amazing way that now they're sold on that's it and then they get stuck. They get stuck in that area because that's what showed them the most in their lifetime

and in their experience of health and fitness that gave them the most. And you try to and in their experience of health and fitness, that gave them the most. And you try to top that person out of that is like, good luck with that. Good luck with telling the guy or girl who just got introduced to CrossFit and is in the best shape of their life. Well that was their answer, yeah right? Or you just found it.

I think too, like I've always been, I've always been the type that will go through like give it a chance. Like I look at these modalities, I've always been the type that will go through, give it a chance. I look at these modalities, I've tried them. I've tried the vibrating plate. I've tried different modalities and extracted really paid attention to what things I would keep as I'm going through the process. Oh yeah, that's totally applicable. And then this is even crossfit, like, you know, I went through that. Oh, what would I keep? And what would I completely eliminate? Right. You know, and we talked about this a long time ago. It's like, you know, dead lifts and, you know, they just brought that all those like staple lifts back to popular. Well, everything you just named, I can take

a piece of that and tell you something that I I think is great, a great takeaway from all of them all the way down to kettlebells, macebells, andy and clubs, you know, but everybody has to, everybody likes to become a camp and then they like to debate on why they're way or their某jaudies. Especially skill ones. I mean, you got like the skill ones, it's, there's so much like intricate detail that goes into like positioning with fingers and wrists and elbows. From a macro movement perspective, you could get away with stuff, but these people get into such lengthy details that they get protective of that where they'll talk shit about everybody

that does it otherwise, not pulling people in, which really irritates me. Well, we forget, like you look at, you know, children, right? Children play, that's how they're active, that's how they exercise. And we forget that to play as adults, we just, we forget. And really working out,

you don't have to master it to get involved. Let me tell you something, there's very few people that just love just to work out, right? Most people don't work out because they love working out. They work out because they have a particular goal. But I'm telling you, trying different things and approaching it with that mentality of learning it as a new skill and trying different things

and just going in with an open mind, you'll start to play with your workouts. Like I look forward to my, for me, the side effects are the results. That is, the results are not my motivation for exercise anymore, or at least not my primary motivation. Of course, it's still part of it, but it's not my primary motivation.

Now I go to the gym and I kind of have fun. In fact, I have like two days a week where they're up for grabs. I go in the gym, I do what the fuck I want, and I just go and play and have a good time. And I think people forget, you know, to do that. Like, you know, if I have a client, if I have, you know, clients that are coming to me and they want to lose weight, and I know that there's a mat, there's something magical about swimming in a freezing lake at five o'clock in the morning for

20 minutes to make everybody lose weight, I'm still not going to recommend it because nobody's going to fucking do it because it fucking sucks for most people. And we forget, we forget that when you, that if you enjoy the process, you're far more likely to continue doing it. And so it's okay, like a bad workout. I mean, as long as it's not hurting you and it's it's not horrible, but a routine that's not as good as another routine, but it's one that you enjoy and that you love to do is probably going to get you better results just because you're going to do it. You're going to do, is probably gonna get you better results just cause you're gonna do it. You're gonna do it more often,

you're gonna continue doing it. And if you approach exercise with that mentality of, wow, I'm gonna learn this new skill or I'm gonna try this different thing or I'm gonna learn how to use a kettlebell properly and I'm gonna start real slow and perfect it. Rather than I gotta go to the gym and sweat and beat myself up.

Totally different mentality, way more longevity. Like you're gonna stay with your workouts and you're talking like this three guys right now in a podcast who've been exercising for decades and we have really kind of figured out that the secret really is enjoying it because at this point I would have stopped by now if I hated it. Well learn to enjoy the process. Like I'll tell you the best advice I could give to somebody right now on this topic is if you've been doing whatever it is you're doing and you love it like South Sainte, that's important but I'll tell you something right now. If you're doing something you've been doing it for a long

time and you love it, I'll tell you you you're finding something that you're not good at and learning to love the process of getting good at it is going to show you way more change growth than anything else. And it'll be a real, like I think a lot of people who, like we've all known those people in the gym, right? They go to the gym, they do the exact same routine every time, 30 minutes, they're a master, same machine, same machine, same machine, go home.

And they'll tell you they love the routine, but they don't know what they actually don't realize if they do it. They don't love it, they're actually just, it's don't realize if they do it. They don't love it. They're actually just, they're stuck to it. It's like, it's like, you know, when someone says that to me, it's like, they tell me when someone tells me they love their job. And I'm like, yeah, but if you knew that every day you were going to your job, they were

paying you less. How much would you really love it? And that's what's happening when you go to the gym and you're doing this routine that you love so much, you're getting paid, you're getting paid less every time you continue to do that. The body is an adaptation machine, it figures out what the fuck you're throwing at it, really quick, you'd be surprised how efficient it is.

So you being in this routine of loving to do that, well, you're loving to do that because in your head, you're like, oh, I'm exercising, I'm doing all this, I'm working, you're putting this time in that you need to put in for this healthy body or to see results, when in reality, each time you go in with that mentality, you're getting paid less and less and less. So I guess the moral of the story is change your why. It's ever evolving and let it evolve or maybe encourage it to evolve.

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Okay, so why is it, say, feminine hygiene? Because I want to Doug to write that up there because I want to bring something interesting up that I was completely unaware of. And I hate to say the reason I was aware of it is because I'm a man, but it's true. Obviously, I don't use feminine hygiene products like tampons and pads and stuff like that.

You'd use sometimes. But, but so this was actually a conversation I had with Stephanie, Stephanie, Obergoso. and we were talking about, you know, like the products that we use on our bodies and some of the chemicals and stuff that are in them, and she brought up tampons, and she said to me, Sal, make sure your girlfriend buys organic tampons, and I kind of laughed, because I'm like organic tampons, like you don't eat tampons. And then I thought about it, and I'm like holy shit. Like a bamboo strainer.

No, so she explained to me, she goes, look, the cotton that they use in tampons is regulated as a textile. So if you were using it as an ingestible, it's regulated differently. Food is regulated differently, and more stringently than things that are textile. So cotton, because you grow it, they can spray the fuck out of it with pesticide if it's

being used as for tampons or clothes. They can spray the fuck out of them. One of the parts of the body that absorbs the most. Probably the inside of your vagina. Absolutely. It makes a lot of sense. Absolutely. And so there's been some loose studies that have connected

these some of these products to them. They'll play intended there. Yeah, a little pesticide penetration. Yeah, to like, you know, things like fibroids, you know, ovarian cancers, issues with hormonal issues and the like from, you know, some of these products. So she said use organic feminine hygiene products. I extend that to deodorants and body washes.

When you consider, and look, here's a deal, are they safe? Sure. But think about how often you use, for example, you use deodorant. Think about how often you use deodorant and how long you use deodorant for. So you probably started using deodorant

right around puberty, right? Cause that's right, right around the time you start to smell. So if you're a boy, probably 12, 13 years old, and you'll probably keep using deodorant likely until the day you die, right? So let's say you live to 80 years old, that's a lot of years that you're putting deodorant

under your arms. And if it's antiperspirant, it's probably got aluminum in it. And aluminum has been connected to dementia, Alzheimer's, and issues of the brain. And if you think you're not absorbing some of that through the skin, you're crazy. Your skin is not, you know, it's definitely permeable. And things do go into your body.

Body washes and soaps with lots of perfumes or whatnot. A lot of these chemicals are weak Xenoestrogens, meaning that they bind to estrogen receptors very weekly. So it's not like you'll, you'll, they'll bind the receptor and then you'll get this crazy estrogen response, but they will express some type of, you know, a reaction or an affinity to these receptors. And again, over decades, it's not out of the realm of,

you know, it's not crazy to suggest that you may have some long-term effects, especially cumulative effects, and when you add all these products up, so. Well, this person's... This person's asking what natural products do you use to replace these? So do you have at least... Yeah, so for products that you use?

Yeah, so for deodorant, I use, God, what's the name of it? Actually, it's in my bag. It's called, oh, primal paste. Maybe we can put in the show notes. So you get a little link there up for it. Primal paste is the one I use. The main ingredients are baking soda, coconut oil, and a few other natural ingredients.

And that's actually pretty effective. I started using that one relatively recently. I'll be the judge of that. Yeah, you can actually come over and smell me. And we'll actually know we'll do an Insta story. Whatever you was using before. Just put his arm around you. You just get her a minute.

Here's the yellow on your face. What else, what else, you got stink boy? You know, for body wash, I use just basic, very, very basic clean soap. I can't remember the brands, but they're just, there's nothing, no colors. No colors, no dyes and all that kind of stuff in them. Toothpaste, I use, there's a brand called Tom's

and they make a pretty good toothpaste that I'll use. These are like powder. I'm gonna start, see here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna start using baking soda to brush my teeth. You just get a little bit of baking soda, dip your toothbrush in it, use that, boom, you're sat. This works excellent. The one thing I have not switched over yet

is what I put in my hair, because I have not found a natural thing that looks okay in my hair. A lot of times I don't put anything in my hair, but sometimes I do. What do you mean it's a black? There's all kinds of organic shampoo. I haven't found, oh no, not shampoo, as I'm talking about like the wax.

Oh, just style your hair. Oh, just style your hair. Yeah, just style my hair. No, I use, I use like, I use that probably. Yeah, I'm, you know, I have one we get on this topic right here. This is, how do I say this without bashing all the hippie ship? To me, it's like you have big rocks that you have to take care of first. And I think there's a lot of things that we don't realize on a daily basis

that we take in and we digest. You almost need like a chemical checklist. Yeah, right. And I think, I like talking about this because I think it's important, the awareness is important, right? That you're aware of that don't think just because you're putting this stuff on your skin,

that your skin isn't absorbing some of it and getting some of it, too. I find it ironic though, when some people tend to do all these crazy things, but then their diet is like shit. I'm saying like, and nothing's going to kill you faster than having a poor diet than these chemicals that you're probably getting in your deodorant, I don't see you killing you if you're over consuming calories and fucking garbage like in your diet and processed foods.

And for me, like it's like, okay, I had four or five diet sodas this last week. Like to me, I should probably fix that before I run out and worry about getting all these different shampoos and body washes and stop doing this and stop doing that. Now that being said, you know, because I'm aware of this and I want to, you know, be cautious of how much of that is,

I'm a guy who likes to shower like three times a day, literally. So I'm not scrubbing my body and I'm not washing my hair three times a day. In fact, I only wash my hair and use shampoo, which I, there's an or I have an organic shampoo and stuff that I use, same thing with a bar of soap. And I only lather up once a day if that. And I use the shampoo in my hair probably every three days. And then my toothpaste is Tom. So there's little things that I've done

to, I think, make a conscious effort, but I also don't stress about that because I feel like there's other areas in my life that need so much more, like, I think I need more sunlight. Like, I think I need things that bring down my stress. I think I need more sunlight. I think I need things that bring down my stress. I think I need better sleep. I think things like that, I need way more attention

than grinding out and paying double the price for a lot of these products. I think if you look at the products, we could probably name the biggest offenders. And for women, I hate to say this, the biggest offenders for you for women, I hate to say this, the biggest offenders for you are gonna be. Probably makeup. Well, and what you use to color your hair.

The chemicals I use to color hair, it's funny too, because you'll see all these super, like health conscious hippie girls, and then I'll tell them, hey, you probably shouldn't use the unpurple hair. That's the one thing they won't change. Right. And I know I get it, I get it if it really bothers you.

But definitely the chemicals they put in your hair on your scalp is one of the big offenders. Deodorant can be, I think, one of the bigger ones. Sunscreen, that's a big offender. Sunscreen is something you really want to change. So if you had to make a list of priorities of things you're going to change, sunscreen will be one of the first ones. What are your options? I mean, because like, something like me, you know, I don't want

to fry. Zinc oxide. Yeah. Use Zinc oxide. So, what do you lobster? Yeah. So the chemical based, so sunscreen's work one of two ways. Either they absorb the UV rays and scatter them so that they don't go into your skin or they reflect the sun. Okay. The chemical-based ones absorb the rays. And those are the ones that have the long chemical names I can't pronounce. One of them's oxas.

You talking about the dorky zinc where you put it all over your head. Yeah, right. So they make like a fucking clown. That's my option. No, so listen, they make. Or wear a sweater, right. So they make like a fucking clown That's my option. No, so listen they make so wear a sweater, bro So they make so you make it July. No, I'll give you an answer that's that's valid You they have like they have these these Like shirts and everything you can wear now that

You can actually go into the sun and like for kids especially too like they can go into the water and all this stuff And it has UV protection and all that so you know that's probably the best thing Yeah, what I was gonna say is the zinc oxide ones you can buy them They're not pure white Justin okay, you put them on they rub in in the sun out of the water You'll see a little bit of a white sheen not a lot. It's not like the old school, you know lifeguard ones Where they put the white on the nose it's not that. You rub it in and if I had it on right now, it's cool because it's retro. Yeah. If I had it on all over my body, you wouldn't

really be able to tell, but if I got in another water, you could kind of tell a little bit, but it doesn't look bad. It's not, you don't want to get the nano, the nano, particular ones because what they'll do is they'll make the zinc oxide particle so small so that you can rub it in, but then you just absorb too much zinc. Which so then that's bad for you. But the zinc oxide titanium oxide sunscreens, those are great. Use those because the other sunscreens are for sure in doctrine disruptors, for sure they affect your hormones.

And I, you know, if you're an adult and you use them every once in a while in that big deal, I don't use them on my kids. That's for sure. Cause kids are developing and you're putting all these, the sunscreen on them and it could cause issues with the hormones. And also consider this when it comes to the sun. Of course, there's people like Justin and you know, you and your kids who guys are, you know, blinding white, I understand that. But if your transparent family, if your skin starts to adapt over, over time, you don't want to get a sunburn That's for sure, but if your skin is adapted where you can go in the sun and you just get darker and you don't get a sunburn

Like that's okay. It's actually good for you to be able to do that. It's the burn you want to avoid Why is this a say now where where where do you take the lesser evil here? Right where it's like okay? Justin's out on the boardwalk this weekend He forgot to give his fucking zinc oxide wipe that you want him to use. And he has a choice right now, okay, do I just not put anything on my skin or do I protect it and not get burned?

Then you're probably better off with the chemical based sunscreen. And because burning your skin is for sure bad. And then if you look at someone like Justin, probably like me too, like I could count on definitely one hand, probably less than three times in a year, there might be a chance that I actually apply something

like that to my skin. You know, are we really doing that much damage? Am I doing, you know what I'm saying? Like that's where, that's what I meant by the bigger rocks. Well, some people with sunscreen will put on sunscreen. And it's in makeup, it's in chapstick, like you'll look at chapstick sunscreen. You look at makeup It's chronic for sure. Yeah, dude a lot of shit every day because they've been led to believe that it keeps them

Right healthier. It's better for the skin Here's what happens when you block a lot of the fucking Sun all the time you get low-vitamined Levels which by the way is an app is becoming an epidemic a lot of people have low D levels and you know It's gonna raise your cancer risk more than the sun will? Low vitamin D levels. Right. In fact, in, they've had these campaigns in some countries where they're really pushing

sunscreen like in Australia. There's huge, huge like sunscreen campaign, because at the time the ozone layer was deteriorating and people were getting skin cancer. So this is what I mean by it's- And other cancer run-up. It reminds me a lot too of when we had this total scare of the antibacterial soap on hand everywhere. There's a little station where I got to put my

antibacterial stuff on, because I'm afraid of germs and now we're just adding a shit to the chemicals all over us. So this is where, this is where I feel like just the awareness piece is what's important. I'll tell you something that like why I even use like organic soap and I went through my whole spiel of how I utilize it is because I have psoriasis and I actually was, I used to use alufa and fucking antibacterial soap and I would scrub myself three times a day, you know? So talk about like irritating that skin and doing that and not knowing, not knowing.

And I'm in my head, I'm thinking. You think you're doing good. Yeah, you think you're doing good, right? And so for me, like that was the major transition, right? Was okay, I'm aware that I already shower a lot as it is. And then on top of that, I was using a Lufa. And then on top of that, I'm using the soap soap that's like that. Okay, probably not a good idea Especially if I have sensitive skin like psoriasis, right? So for me that that's the big thing

It's not like oh, I'm doing this because I'm afraid I'm getting so much aluminum inside my body They could turn potentially cancerous later because I think when people talk like that It's kind of ridiculous if you're not doing all the other things It's like you're doing all these other things. It's like, you're doing all these other things. It's going to kill you a lot faster than your deodorant is. But you're going to luffa your shower game tight. Right. But if you're someone like me who was doing that, and I was actually being really counterproductive to an issue that I had, you know, whizing up to that, and like you brought up the sunscreen,

I think that's really important. If you're somebody who piles on makeup all day, you've got chemicals, you're dying your hair constantly all the time, and then on top of that, you're, you know, globbin' all this shit on your skin before you go out in the sun and you live somewhere where you're out in the sun all the time, so you're constantly putting that on. Like these people like me, maybe- It's just- Pay attention a little bit. Here's the thing that I want to-

We have to consider the following. I think I think we've, we've really started to, we accepted, and it's false. We've accepted the false narrative that, a lot of the stuff that happens to us is just because we have, it's our genetics. Like, autoimmune disease is everywhere. Oh, I must have bad genes, or, look at these people who have cancer at the age of 30 and 40.

Oh, they must have had bad genes. Like, I'm sorry, I don't buy that shit. I just don't. You can't buy it when over 50 years ago, that wasn't happening. Well, not only that. There's something happening different now than with, I mean, that's a, that we, we had bad genetics and good genetics 50 years ago. So why are we having so much cancer and stuff going on now?

I just don't buy, I mean, I definitely buy that there are cases where that happens, but we're learning about epigenetics now. We're noticing massive trends in certain things like food allergies and stuff. And it's like, no, it's not fucking genetics. There's something that we're doing. And it's probably not one thing. That's the thing you got to consider. Like, it's not one culprit. Like, oh, here it is. It's deodorant.

Or here it is. It's sugar. Or it's, it's deodorant, or here it is, it's sugar, or it's probably all these things added up. Yes. And so, I mean, you know, Adam makes all these like functional medicine practitioners. They're, they have a job because it's like, it's such a maze that they have to go back and kind of figure out like what you've been exposed to,

like what product here, you know, you might be using chronically. And then the elimination diet, and what do we see as we reintroduce these things? There's a lot of self-assessment that needs to happen in order to figure out the root of all the systemic problems. It's a tough thing to tackle. If you're a person who grew up using these products, eating these foods, and had no problems, right? And now you're an adult, and all of a sudden, you've got horrible digestive issues,

or skin issues, or rheumatoid arthritis popped up, or some other autoimmune issue, or something like that, right? Pops up. And you go see somebody who's a functional you know, medicine doctor, or even just somebody who's into this and they tell you, hey, stop using these products and stop eating this way. And you're in your mind, you're thinking, well, I've been using them forever, they never bothered me before, it's got to be something else. You don't want to, and not only that, but without realizing it, you don't want to buy into it because you have to change everything.

That sucks. Who wants to change the way that they've lived for, you know, the last, you know, 15 to 20 years? But you gotta examine it all. You gotta look at it all. And I was just talking to my friends about this. Yes, I had some friends over, some old clients of mine. Did you get other friends? And I do.

And two more, two of the friends, that's it. Whatever. Anyway, we're hanging out, and me and my buddy Morgan, we're talking about this and he goes, you know, he goes, we probably grew up at the worst time because when we grew up in the 80s, right? Early 80s up until now, this is when like processed foods went through the roof,

like exploded, right? Processed foods just exploded, they covered the market, 60, 70s and 80s, it went nuts. This is when glyphosate hit the market like in the 90s. This is when you know, you know, things just got mass produced and our parents just fed us and oh, antibiotics were great. You got prescribed antibiotics for everything. Everything like you went to the microwave came TD, TD dinners that whole trend, right? Like it just

was hormones in cows and you know, antibiotics. It just it was a free for all like I, when I was a kid and I went to the doctor, if I had a cough that lasted for three days, the doctor just gave me antibiotics. It wasn't a big deal. They gave them out like candy, right? All the food we ate, like soda was a staple in every single American dinner.

Stay away from fat. And everybody. And it was just, we grew up at the worst time. And I think it's starting to change now. You're starting to see a lot change. You know, that's why it's so fun. I find it really funny when, so we still, probably one of the biggest debated,

you know, podcast episodes we've done yet, it was the Lane Norton episode because we have a different opinion with a lot of this stuff, right? Because a lot of this science is still coming out in this whole like, oh, it's correlation. We can't prove this yet. And it's funny because the people that tend to lean

towards his side very rarely, is it somebody who's older than 35 years old? It's always the 20 year olds or younger that kind of like tend to lean on his side. Cause they're fine. Yeah, they're fine, right? They're like, and they want to justify, you can ask them.

And I feel bad because I get it, dude. I was fucking right with you in that group too, until all the shit started hitting me, and then it forces you to look deeper into it, and then you start going like, fuck. It takes a couple of decades for it all to start. It doesn't happen overnight. It's way through.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to you, they're gonna look back at the end of the 20th century, and maybe a hundred years from now, and they're gonna look back and be like, oh, like the way we look at cigarettes way back when they were coming out with studies saying tobacco doesn't hurt you and shit like that, and you see doctors and pregnant moms and everybody's smoking, and you're like, no big deal, you know? Now we're like, oh my God, I can't believe you used to do that.

I bet they're gonna look back and be like, wow, I can't believe you guys ate that shit and used those products as much as you did. Like that's, did you know Coca-Cola? Obviously one of the biggest brands in the world, right? They've seen sales drop now for I don't know how many years in a row. Like it's starting to change. Things are starting to shift a little bit.

And I don't think they're anywhere near where they need to be, but I think by the time my kids have their kids, when you go to the grocery store and you go to the market and stuff like that, a lot of the shit's gonna be weeded out. I really believe that. It's really, really do. Because they're really young generation right now

that's coming up, why? Like they're awareness of it is different. You know, you see these young kids challenging, you know, people that are saying that used to be the norm. It's that in between right now, if you were part of X or the millennial kind of range right now, you're still right in the thick of it. You're right in the thick of it. You're not quite old enough to where some of this shit's caught up to yet. Maybe some have though. I mean, I have met some 25 because it started

hitting me around 27, like 25, 27. Yeah, it was a late 20s from that. Yeah, late 20s was when I started and you gotta think I was probably a major offender compared to most people I mean, I'm sucking down coke some doing two three protein bars and shakes I'm doing all the different supplements with all the different flavors I'm doing speed stacks a day, so I know I was like I'm throttling down compared to probably the average person So I know it probably came faster to me than it will a lot of other people But you better believe if you just ignore that shit and say, oh, I need a big deal. It'll catch up.

Yeah, it'll come around. So they wear to me. The awareness of all this stuff is a most important piece. You know what I'm saying? I think there's bigger rocks for a lot of people. Like that's why I don't like to become so like, oh, don't do this, you know all this, because then people think like, oh God,

the whole hippie talk, right? It's not that. You just don't want to turn everybody off or focus, you don't want people to focus on like the smaller things. Yeah. Like if you're, like if you're, you know, poisoning your body with food every day

and over consuming, not exercising, tons of stress in your life, like let's be honest. Let's all agree on that, right? Like that type of shit is going to affect your overall health more than- Yeah, if it was a pie chart, like that's 90-something percent of everything right there. Yeah, right? Like that type of shit is going to affect your overall health more than- Yeah, if it was a pie chart, like that's 90-something percent of everything right there. Yeah, right? But I mean along the way, you should definitely be aware of some of these things, especially

if you're a major offender. For sure. Next question is from Z. Razzlin. Where do you guys stand on the FST7 training model for natural athletes? How is that? That's Honey Rembods workout program, right? FST seven training model for natural athletes. What's that? That's Honey Rembods workout program, right?

We're putting on Justin next week. Yeah, you're gonna start doing this workout. Cool, I can't wait. It's brilliant fucking science based. You know what? I'm glad we brought this up a little bit because we talked a little bit about it. By the way, you know, Honey's a local guy, right?

Yeah, he's in the set of things. Well, he used, honey's a local guy, right? Yeah, he's in the status there. Or he used to come get massages at your place. Yeah, that's right. That's all I'm coming down a few times. You know, FST, or, excuse me, you know what, FST stands for? Fashion, you know, Fashion stretch training. Oh, stretch training.

Yeah, so here's the theory behind it. Before, actually, yeah, we're just gonna rip it. So, the theory behind it before actually yeah, we're just gonna rip it so the theory behind it is you The fat the fascia is one of the limiting factors to muscle growth, right? And so part of this training is to stretch the fascia so that muscles have more room to grow and the way they do it Is by maximizing the pump and stretching the fascia from the inside? Can I say how stupid that is for a second? Oh yeah, please don't.

Anybody understands fascia is like fucking plastic. No it's hard, it's like a fibrous, like you ain't stretching plastic. It's like plastic. It's literally like the closest thing that we handle on a daily basis that's like fascia is like fucking plastic. So if you can imagine flexing your bicep, if someone took something and wrapped it around your bicep and then you pumped your biceps up

to think that you're going to stretch and shape the fascia from a pump. Well, when you go through El Dóis, I'll like getting into those very unique positions and to even get them to unravel. What you're doing with El Dóis, you're creating lines of tension. Yeah, you're not stretching.

You're not gonna do shit to your fucking fascia. It's not gonna happen. You're not gonna stretch it. You're not gonna do shit to your fucking fascia. It's not gonna happen You're not gonna stretch it, you're not gonna do it. You're getting more into a more neurological thing You're connecting your body. You're getting reconnected the muscles that are responsible for taking those lines into Optimal full-range emotion where stretching fascia through a pump is probably one of the stupidest things Which is why when we first talked about this way back when when he first came out with it, this is also why I have kind of a chip on my shoulder about the dude. The fact that he gets to train the rock just, just totally makes me mad. It makes me say, I love the rock so much.

I would love to get a hold of him and the fact that this guy gets to train him because he has, he has Mr. Olympia for Men's Physique, Women's Bikini and for Bodybuilding. All of a sudden the dude gets credit like he's got a great training. No, the training program is not revolutionary. There is nothing special about it. Well, I'll break it down for you right now. This is what it is, okay, you ready? You do, let's pretend we're doing FST for my biceps.

I do my regular bicep workout and then at the end of my bicep workout, I pick an exercise like barbell curls and I do like 12 to 15 reps for seven sets with like 20, 30 second rest in between. So that's it. All I'm doing is I'm doing seven sets of an exercise at the end to try and get a big of a pump

as I possibly can. That's where the seven comes in. The finishers. That's it. That's the fucking training model. What can I say? Okay, so I know people are probably listening right now thinking like, oh, you're such a hater.

You're like, you sound like, and I should have no preference. No, it feels a great fucking program, I'd say. Well, it's yeah, and I hate what I don't like is when people take a little bit of science where most people are just, that doesn't make sense to them, right? It's like beyond them. So it's taking like buzz terms. Exactly, you take, you take some buzz turns right now.

I purchase a plan right now. Fascio training, training the lines, El Doa, all this stuff is very popular right now because we're learning, this is in my wheelhouse because this is something then the last like three, four years. I've read a lot about and I'm very intrigued by Fashia. I'm intrigued because as humans we're intrigued because we know very little.

I mean, you got people talking about possibly storing memory inside Fashia, you're talking about being able to move these lines to increase mobility, you're saying people are starting to say like, oh, if you can increase the lines, you can maybe increase more. Must, there's a lot of stuff going on that. Now, because of that, you get people that will take it,

take a little piece of it. It reminds me a lot of anabolic fasting. Yeah, this is an example. Another great example, another great example of taking a great buzz term or something that's popular that we're learning about that's confusing for the masses. Most people have no understanding of what fascia is inside your body, how it works, and how that could have anything to do with you building muscle.

So they take something, they try and make it sound really fucking confusing and technical and smart, and then they wrap a program around it, which is nothing scientific about it whatsoever. Chasing a pump and cycloplasmic hypertrophy, we've known for a very long time what that does. And that's literally all you know, that is phase three of Maths Black. As your whole program, the whole program is phase three of Maths Black, which I'm not saying that there's not a good piece of that. There's true that the training program. The pump itself definitely elicits growth, it elicits growth in all the non-muscle fiber structures within muscle, and it also stimulates muscle fiber growth as well.

The pump is an important part of muscle building. It's not the only part, it's not the part you want to focus all your time on. It's something that should be phased in and out. But there's literally zero nothing revolutionary about FST7. It's nothing. It's literally nothing. It's seven sets of fucking exercise at the end to get a better pump. That's it. There's nothing behind it. You watch the training with his athletes. You watch the workouts. There's nothing different about it. I think it's just someone who's connected, who trains these people, sponsors them with

a supplement company and says, hey, I'm going to be your trainer, take pictures and video, and then people think I am something a little frank. Some of the people that I mean, good programming, if you're looking for good programming, I think some of the better people are like in powerlifting. Powerlifting, Olympic lifting. It's your website, Barbelllifting. Powerlifting, Olympic lifting. It's your website, barbell. Yeah, website barbell.

Shout out to those guys over there. I mean, when you're doing something like that, like that requires good programming, you can't just get by with chasing a pump and calling it a good workout because your arms burn or your butt, you got a bunch of blood pumped in there so you think it's a great workout.

Like, now there's so much more to training a power lifter or an Olympic lifter. You want to find guys that are putting together programs like you look at that. You know what's sad is that bodybuilding of all the strength sports, and what can, what can sit or bodybuilding a strength sport because they lift weights, right?

Of all the strength sports I can think about, bodybuilding probably puts the least amount of, I guess, effort into scientific training. I hate to say it. It's fucking true like bodybuilders They work out, but they don't like approach their training like an Olympic lifter or a power lifter or a strong man Or any other strength athlete. It's in bodybuilding. You know where they place most of their and I'm talking about pro bodybuilding You know where they place most of their effort and I'm talking about pro bodybuilding, you know where they place most of their effort and science, the drugs, the drugs and diet. That's when they're really trying to like match their insulin and the growth hormone to their diet

and their, but when it comes to their training, like you look at pro bodybuilders routines and I could switch them around, looks the fucking same, there's nothing. It just hasn't been that way for a long time. And let's be honest here, right? So if you were to look at it like a pie chart, like we were talking on the last question,

like, okay, when you talk about diet and the drugs, that takes up a good 80%. Okay, so if you've got the best drugs and you've got the best diet. And great genetics. Yeah, yeah, exactly 80%. Chances are you're gonna be pretty fucking good. You know what I'm saying?

You're gonna be really good if you've got those things going for you. Now, if you don't have the drugs, you don't have the genetics, you don't have the genetics, and you're doing pretty decent at the diet, you know, this is where programming really makes a big difference for somebody. Somebody who's all natural,

who doesn't have superior genetics, they put some good programming behind them. Now it makes a big difference, but those guys, when you're running this stuff, yeah, I can get away with some decent programming or half-ass programming. And the FST7, with his question is for a natural athlete, like, no, I don't think any of us think it's good for a natural. I don't think it's good for a guy who's on anabalus, just

because he's got guys out there that are the pro and they're winning. I'll tell you right now, the nutrition, the drugs and the genetics play the biggest role in those guys being that way. Just don't be fooled Most those dudes before they hired or started doing FST7 look pretty fucking damn good before that It might be one of those cases of cherry picking the top guy They wouldn't do that come on. It's what I would do. You know saying like you know, and that's a smart business It's like hey, I'm gonna go before and after you know you take a picture You feed them a lot. Oh, jeez.

You feed him a lot. Give me the next one, Doug, before I get more. That never happens. All right, our next one is from our boy Mind Pump Danny. What's up, Danny? So if you guys are stuck on an island, you have to choose three foods, one tool, and one partner. Oh, yeah, I'm glad I didn't say we had to fuck you.

This is easy for me, Jack. What? Egg, steak, avocado. Those are my three foods. My one tool is a hatchet and my partner would be my girl. That was easy for me. That was really great. Steak egg avocado for sure I could live off of that.

I would get, because you get most of what I need to there. One tool, hatchet has to be it, right? You knock down tree. I would say matches, but I think the hatchet would help me too because I got to kill a bear or kill something or possibly kill my partner If she drives me crazy Which is also why I want someone weaker than me living with it. It's my partner because I got to eat them Okay, I can't have like a partner who's bigger and stronger than me else. I've become the prey dude I want pizza Mexican food Yeah, I can't have like a partner who's bigger and stronger than me. So I become the prey dude.

I want pizza, Mexican food and like, I don't know cookies. Cause you know, let's be unreasonable about this. I'm stuck on an island. I'm for a shit ton of calories. Fair enough. I don't even give a shit, you know, like, give me an axe, you know, just to chop up my, the trees surrounding. So I can make a killer fort

or whatever, a nice little house. And then, I mean, like, my wife, of course, I mean, what am I supposed to say that? I hope so, I'll pick somebody here for this, be different. Yeah, so, geez, what would I pick for three food? Part of me is like, pick the foods that are gonna be the most nutritious.

Yeah, let's be in a benefit you. I don't get it. I get that right. be the most nutritious. Let's be in the menu. I get it. I get that already, right? Yeah, so I think like eggs probably would be one of them, coconut oil or coconut, just coconut themselves, unless they grow on the island, would be another one, and maybe some kind of a citrus fruit, so I can get one. I'm sorry, I need whiskey.

My bad, I scratched. Yeah, scratch. It's one of those. Scratch your Mexican fruits. One of those out for whiskey. Yeah, and then I'm good a fishing pole. I'd want a fish if I'm on an island I would want that bad decision right there. Why because we have food because you can put on the food unlimited you could make a fishing pole You with your hatchet you can go carve a fucking you make it sound like and you can make a fishing pole I can be a spear if you ever, you ever try to spear fish.

I would figure out the survival bro, but I gotta figure it out. I think you'd starve. Oh yeah, good. You might want like a flint though, you know, the start fire. I mean, you match his arm, something like that. That's why I match his original, I said that too,

but oh no, here's my tool, my cell phone with reception, reception. So I can Google shit, call people, come save me. Partner, I don't know who this person is, but whoever I would look at all my friends and family and the most world-first person is like wilderness survival. That's probably a good call, right? I love my girl and all, but it'd probably be more advantageous.

Because we might kill each other. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how we're gonna get out of there. I'd be useless. I would need somebody who knows how to survive on a deserted island. That's fair. Yeah, I don't know. I'd be useless. Like, I would need somebody who knows how to like survive on a deserted island. That's fair. Yeah, so.

I'll take bare grills. That's it. How about that? Excellent. I'll call Ben up. Fuck, I fell off. Ben, you know, I had a great time. That's my outtake.

I'm taking it. I already called it. He's coming on my island. You guys gotta find somebody else. I ain't. God damn it. Check it out. Go to mindpumpmedia.com.

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