Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 503: Mobility vs. Aesthetics, Pros & Cons of Spinning, Helping the Morbidly Obese & MORE

Episode Date: May 5, 2017

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Big Top Beard Company (bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about focusing on mobility at the expense of strength and aesthetics, fears as an adult, pros and cons of spinning and MAPS for the morbidly obese. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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30-something percent off. So enroll in either one of those and get two shirts for almost free. You can find those at mindpumpmedia.com. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind up, mind up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Man, I'm a hyped and excited for the Ketabell competition this weekend, man.

This is gonna be... Oh my gosh, it's coming. We got what, almost 100 competitors? It went, it went, man, this is gonna be... Oh my gosh, it's coming. We got what, almost a hundred competitors? It went, it went a madhouse, it became like one of the biggest ones. How would you guys think about those trophies? Does it say? Yeah, they're cool. Yeah, I thought that was, they're gonna like those a lot.

How'd you get them to make a cast of your penis? Yeah, that was kind of expensive. It's functional too, a lot of material that we had to use. For the latin. No, we did something pretty cool, I'm excited. It's not to a lot of material that we had to use so the late no we did something pretty pretty cool I'm excited like a serious gentleman battle axe man So it's looks pretty dope and I like to because it was different you know in in mince physique We used to get these swords right if you want which I never want I was really pissed

Why don't you want a sword you got to win you got to win? I'm so an answer who doesn't want a sword no, I wanted a sword. Oh your piss Yeah, yeah, cuz I didn't get one. I wanted one. Oh absolutely fucking one win. Who doesn't want a sword? No, I want a day sword. Oh, you're a pisser. Yeah, because I didn't get one. I wanted one. Absolutely. I fucking want to one. If you win a sword, you won the whole show overall, which, you know, even if you get

first place, you still got to beat the overall, right? So that's like when, you know, Arnold and, you know, what Colombo always want to get to each other, right? So they always, and he, Arnold always took him for the overall, and, but Franco always won like his class and so. His short class, whatever. Yeah, so you get an ingestor, I get a fucking sewer. Yeah.

It is you. It's a, it's a total, like there's no, that's what I'm saying, it's like a bad ass sword to get like nothing, dude. You'll get nothing for second, dude. Oh man, not even a, get a fucking handshake. A little, yeah. A little baby or a baby. And you got You'll get nothing for second dude. Man, not even to get a fucking handshake. A little baby or a second place instead of steak knives. You guys see our boy Arya too,

he just took second place on his last, he's gonna nail, this is a three shows within 28 days. He did? Yeah, dude, he's a mad man. You know what's crazy? How do you keep that up? I got a question, I was just gonna ask you Adam, do you think it's easier for him to be able to do that

because he's natural? You know like to kind of stay in shape and stay lean? Do you think maybe he has less weight fluctuations? Or do you think maybe the benefit of just knowing his body better? Well yeah, I would say, I would give him more credit like that. For that.

Yeah, because there's probably a lot of guys that run a lot of antiballic stats. Think they know their bodies really, really well, but until you've put yourself in the type of... Because here's what I'm thinking. I know guys, a lot of guys who take a lot of gear and they'll take a lot of fat burning type cycles and gear and stuff pre-contest,

but then they have to go off to let their body react to me. And I guess if you're natural, you don't have to do that. Well, if you're someone like Arya who has to do all the natural things, there's probably less of a rebound, right? So if you're somebody who's taken wind straw and and clean and you're you're letting a lot of the drugs to help help you along the way and you rely on that. So again, and we talk about this on the show a lot, right? Like, you know, not to take anything away from anyone around to that. I mean, shit, I ran, I ran Clean for the last two weeks of shows and

Testosterone through my show. So, you know, I'm not knocking anybody at all for that. But when you, if you've relied on that to get you in shape and you've never been in like, you know, super great shape without it, then there tends to be more of a rebound when you come off of it, right? So you come off, your testosterone levels are now dropping down, you're weaker. So that's a little depressing.

You come off the clan, which is like making your metabolism and when straws through the roots. And I'm also thinking in terms of like water retention, you're more likely, you know, to hold water when you're on Androgens. Maybe the thyroid, if they're doing thyroid hormones, but pre-contest, you don't want to necessarily stay on those all the time. Yeah, that's like your cleanse and stuff,

which can affect that. But your most guys that are doing, that are using drugs or atombalics, letting in the show know what types of testosterone they should be peeling back, because you don't want to be holding a bunch of water when you hit stage. So as you get closer to stage,

you're tapering down your testosterone already. So you're pulling out synthetics like that or switching them over to like sipinate and things like that versus longer things like esters. Yeah, it's just interesting to me, because just the observer is his anecdote, but observationally speaking, I've known a couple natural competitors

who looked phenomenal, and they were able to compete frequently. Like they didn't seem to, they didn't have these crazy rebounds. So I'm wondering if it's just knowing your body better and the fact that you're just not having to worry so much about it. Well, I think it's a good call. But to manipulate, you know.

I think it's a good call on that. I think it's both, you know, I think it's, you're required to compete at the level that he's at, right? I mean, he's, he gets on a limpia stage. I mean, just blows me away when we talk about this because I honestly do not, and I know quite a few that claim it, but I don't know anybody else that truly is 100% natural

and gets, gets all the way to the Olympia stage for men's physique. It's incredibly impressive. So the level of understanding his body, and you could, right, you guys could tell when he pulled up his, you know, I've yet to meet, I had yet to meet somebody who took their tracking to another level. I have like his, I mean, he's spread sheeting and like he's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I tracked a shit out of my, He's saying them on a detail. Yeah, I mean, I checked that. Yeah, I tracked the shit out of my,

all my stuff, but he was on a, I mean, a whole other level. So, you know, a guy to do that, he just knows his body so, so well. And he's not really, obviously not relying on drugs to get him there. So, you know, there's probably a less of that. Plus what you're saying, there's stuff that's going on

chemically, you know, the inside of your body, that you're changing and hormonally, which can, you know, have to do of that. Plus what you're saying, there's stuff that's going on, chemically, inside of your body, that you're changing and hormonally, which can have to do with that. But honestly, I think more psychological and really understanding the body for these guys that blow up afterwards, because there's this. That was part of the reason why when we started this, we don't talk so much about competing anymore, but I talked a lot about it when we first started because I was just blown away by how many poor relationships with food and exercise existed within this professional level of competing. It's this balls of the wall, take whatever it takes to get there, and then when you accomplish that, it's like fucking, wow, whatever. But oh, the guy they'll bring food with them, like boxes of twigs and whatever candies

that they've been craving and they'll take it with them to eat right after, literally right after the show's over. You know what I mean? Oh, it's super popular now, like for guys' girls or, you know if depending if you have a girl like to the partner buys in this just huge you know grocery list of cookies and brownies and candy and just tons of dishes. Yeah, tons tons of that and you will see a lot of them will shoot it in their shoot Instagram stories and show like all the food the spread that they're about to cry and most those dudes the crazy part

Is most of them crush that in that night, you know, it's not like here's all the food Don't be eating for the next month because I missed it. It's like well you're dying Unless yes, who was it that we were talking about who talking to you that said he gained something like 25 30 pounds Within was a Johnny. I think it was Johnny I I one of my show that and that was a major eye opener for me I had a I had a binge after a show and It you know, and I guess that's the part of me that I get it, you know, I understand like it's really tough to stop like when you get So shredded so lean you've restricted so hard for so long

It's really easy to justify like I deserve this, you know what I'm saying? And I can afford to go crazy and still look awesome. Well, would you be able to bounce back and then do another show in a couple of days or a week? I have, so I never ran, I didn't run, I've never ran three in 28, but I ran a back-to-back show where there was only a couple of weeks in between. There's pros and cons to that.

I liked it because I was already in really good shape, and then I'd have a night off or two of eating and just enjoy myself, go hit the sushi and enjoy some desserts and pile on a few calories. Then I get right back into contest prep mode. And I'm already in good condition. I'm already in the mental focus. So I like that part of it, but it can get wearing and taxing on the body. You know, it just you're, you're living in a caloric deficit for that long all the time.

Like you're just being super lean. Yeah. I mean, yeah, so being super lean all the time. Yeah. So it's to see him do that, do that naturally and three shows back to back. I mean, it's pretty impressive. I know he's incorporating more frequency

into his workouts, because of the influence that MAPS aesthetic has had on him. And he's looking pretty incredible, man. Yeah, no, he carries it. I mean, his muscles look very, very full going into his contests, which, you know, especially for a natural athlete. That's tough in my opinion when they when they first Created the category. I really believe this is why I wish that you know, he would win the show when is I really believe

That and this is where the politics get in. It's really unfortunate is I believe they intended His look to be what represents the leak. Like his, I mean, the idea of men's physique was that men's bodybuilding got so out of control with anabolic that the average person looked at that and said like, I don't want to take a bunch of stuff to look at that, you know, and if you do, that's all to each their own. But the majority of people looked at that and said that's not obtainable to me. I don't want to take tons of that. And okay, so incomes, men's physique,

and men's physique was this cover of men's health look. Like it's supposed to look obtainable for a natural man. Like a natural guy should be able to, if he's got good genetics and he trains hard, he diets correctly, could obtain this look. And so I really think he is a great example of what that looks like. Somebody who has put the years in and the discipline

and sculpting and shaping an incredible, balanced, symmetrical physique that is obtainable naturally. But unfortunately, like anything, just like bodybuilding, you see the look's you see the look just progress and it becomes You know the freakier and more impressive you look Becomes what wins? It's there's no sport more evident than that than female bodybuilding how that went Yeah, I don't you know when female bodybuilding first started you ever look at pictures of like

The female like Rachel I think Rachel McLeod They look like women's bikini now. What women's bikini looks like. Women's bikini looks more muscular than the way female bodybuilders. That's what I mean, like the old bodybuilder women look. They were just very fit, you know, looking, they were natural. And then it started to progress and then Corey Everson kind of brought it to the next level

and then next thing you know, like these chicks are, I mean, they're on some serious gear and they look like, they look crazier than I ever could even a dream of looking like With my, you know, male body It just got insane and it became a very cultish, you know kind of sport kind of destroyed it So I think that's what they were afraid of but they got a big get they got a better with that kind of stuff Yeah, you know and it sucks because the IFBB and NPC here the most well known. And there's natural, there's natural.

Yeah, there's really not really any. Yeah, there's closure. There isn't any. And sometimes I think like, okay, well, maybe if, if, cause the way IFB and NPC is growing, it's insane. I mean, I was just blown away when we went to Arya show. And, you know, that was, I mean, it'd be like, you got a packed house.

Yeah, every seat. That was pre judging. Yeah it was it was pretty just it's crazy. It's crazy. See where it's grown. So I think okay well maybe when it grows so out of control and so big maybe a lot of people that decide we'll sort of bleed over into natural. Maybe you'll see this new and we have buddies like our boy Jason Sinatra who is a stud in all natural bodybuilder he got on the all natural Olympia stage and competed looks badass and a great all natural dude. But you just don't hear about that league like nobody really talks about it and I know what is it is it PNBA and what's another one there's's two, there's two. I have no idea.

Yeah, and they're just not well known. They're not like the guys are all in the cover of the magazines are coming out of IFBB or WBFF. That's the other one that's really well known, but neither one of those are tested so you can do whatever you want. So it's crazy to see the direction of it. I was very fascinated in the, just the business side of it.

There's so many businesses that are popping up around it because it's a growing industry. You know, I wonder how big bodybuilding is, and if you compare it to like a more recent developed sport like CrossFit, which one is generating more revenue? Oh, for sure CrossFit. You think so? Oh, yeah. No, not even close. I mean, once CrossFit hit, I mean, once Reebok signed with them, it just took that to. It just goes to show you how cultish bodybuilding is. It's like this cult, you know, it's still that way. Yeah, what's interesting is CrossFit also, I mean, they definitely absorb like different types of like supplements and, you know, like they're looking for all these extra,

like accessories and all these different things to go along with it. And you just see how companies just boom, they just come in like flies and absorb that, that cult like, you know, culture. And yeah, it's interesting. It's very similar. Well, they're both very similar.

He hated or love it. You got to respect what Greg Glassman did. I mean, of course. Yeah, I mean, from a marketing perspective, I mean the guy was fucking brilliant, dude. I'm sorry. You could fucking love it. Yeah, I mean, taking...

Well, it's fun to watch. That's for sure. It's a spectator-friendly resistance training based sport. I can't think like weightlifting. Yeah Yeah nearly as fun to watch powerlifting boring I can say like even yeah Olympic lifting like these kinds of things that are very specialized in and and specific You know you don't get a lot of viewership in the Olympics. No unless you're a weightlifter like if I showed weightlifting to my you know my aunt She's gonna be like well, okay who cares if I show wrestling, dude, look at what they took wrestling away from the Olympics. Because it wasn't, maybe exciting enough for people.

So, here's, you gotta do WWF for that shit. You know, give him knives or something. Do you think that it goes wrestling? Do you think that it eventually gets into the Olympics? What? Crossfit? Oh, no. I believe it does. You think so?

I believe it does. I believe it does. You think so? I believe it does. I believe it does. I believe it. No, they would need to have it more structured because they change it all the time. You know, you have to be able to train for something specific. You know, it used to be, well here's the thing.

Why? Why would you not do it exactly the way that you're trying to, why would they, I think I know what Justin's saying, is you need some kind of a standard for Olympic, Olympic, if they're gonna go out of that. They would go some kind of a standard for Olympic Olympics. If they require that. They require that.

They require that. They require that. They require that. Like an Olympic facility. Like they train very specializing every day for like they know their run inside and out. They know the weather. There has to be a particular like the altitude. You know what I'm saying?

They have to they what why why why do you think that would keep it at the Olympics? Because the Olympics that's the way that they review sports. So if I say, here's CrossFit, and they look at all these events, and they're like, well, they're all different. Like, this one has these three different lifts, and this run, this one over here has a kettlebell movement, and this and there, and that,

what they would want is standards. Yeah, even the combo'd ones, like, let's be honest, the combo'd ones, like, where you do the, what do you call that skiing, the skiing and then you shoot and then it's like a combo of like four or five different things, but it's a standardized. Yeah, well, so this is the debate I had with that is so,

so what? Just because they've done it like that forever, you don't think that they can, they can, bro, I'm just saying it's gonna be an uphill battle for them. Oh my gosh. The genius, the opinion of the, so here's the thing, the council. Two things, number one, nobody cares

about getting the Olympics anymore. It used to be, you start a sport and that's like the goal. Like getting the Olympics and that's like, like Ben Weeter, Joe Weeter's brother, that was a great, dream, dream was to put body building in the Olympics. Today, like CrossFit- It would CrossFit make more money in the Olympics.

Well, first of all, to get in the Olympics, they'd have to prove that CrossFit is being competed worldwide. Which it's on its way. Then they would have to prove that there's a standard of competition, and they would have to show the standard. They'd have to show a long lineage, would it even be worth the time in the trouble? I don't know, I don't even think they care.

That's just the way it is nowadays. People don't really care anymore about getting certain events. Some events are important to get in the Olympics like wrestling, without the Olympics, now what is wrestling go? Like without wrestling, without the Olympics. Is that a professional league? No, there's high thing go? Like without wrestling, without the Olympics.

There's a professional league. No, there's high school and college in the US, which we have a huge pedigree, but then there's world competitions and stuff, but well, then they convert them into MMA. Yeah, it would be like putting, it would be like, putting it, it's, you know, BMXing in the Olympics, which they could do,

like in the Winter Olympics, now you have like, snowboarding type of dance and stuff like that, which are starting to do. But they're all, you know, judging. Yeah, like you said, like I mean if they evaluated it based on if they had like Three different workouts or something. You know what I mean? I feel like broke it down like you're doing Fran or whatever tested. Well, I think that's how we think But that's what what makes CrossFit unique and the the competitive side of it is that that's just it is part of the mystery of you don't know. And if you're gonna be the best in the world,

you gotta be ready for whatever's thrown at you and that's the idea. So I kinda disagree with you guys. I think you're going. I get where you're going. But I think you're thinking too much like a businessman consumer whereas the Olympics, the Olympics, they don't fucking think like that.

They don't think the way you're thinking. They don't think, oh my God, people would love to watch this, the mystery behind it. They are terrible. Yeah, you don't think the Olympics are a business. I do think they're a business, but I think when it comes to evaluating and putting sports up, I think there's a lot more politics and shit involved. Yeah. When you talk, I'm not disagreeing with politics, but I think to discount that there's not major thought

that goes into the business side of the Olympics is silly. You would have to, you would know, I mean, it's more politics in business. I'll tell you what, when, I mean, they're having a lot of things. Do you know how many countries, how many countries will host in the Olympics, will build a stadium for it, will spend money on it, and then the Olympics is gone and it's a fucking ghost town. Like in China, there's what they did for the Chinese Olympics. There's these stadiums that they built, they're just there now. Do you make money off the Olympics coming to your country? A lot of countries lose money. The reason why they want it is to display their national pride and stuff like that. It's a lot different

nowadays and it's very difficult. And the big question is, I like you to even want to be a real projectist. I would love to see what the average city makes from a Olympics coming into their city. I think South's way off on this one. I think that I think it actually, the reason why they build stadiums and do that is because it brings millions of dollars to the city

I think that it's very much so a business. I think they lose actually yeah yeah the Google it up Let's see yeah yeah yeah we've read we've read lots of studies on on how cities have lost money But they don't a lot of them don't care. It's like they want that national pride like China really wanted to demonstrate Themselves to the world that they can organize this incredible event. They did. You make a lot of money when you host a Super Bowl to an existing stadium you already have. Right? Like, oh my god, does that bring a lot of business to your way? You definitely can. Absolutely. Yeah, I know for sure. And also you have to carry about the Olympics. I think it's different though, like because you have to build

these humongous structures so that that's definitely costs. Yeah, and you have to have build these humongous structures so that's definitely costs. Yeah, and you have to ask yourself, would it crossfit even be interested in doing the Olympics? Would it be wise for them to do it? I don't know. I mean, is that... Does that say that it made them $25 billion right there?

No, I think it costs them $25 billion. Yeah. It's, I'll tell you what, Brazil, in fact, there were protests in Brazil over the Olympics because people there were saying, why are you spending money on the Olympics when we need- It's poverty that's right there.

Yeah, we need all the shit. So it's like this big debate going on. What does it say there, Doug? It says, strikingly little evidence that such events increase tourism or draw new investments. Spending lavishly on short lived event is economically speaking a dubious long-term strategy.

Yeah. You know what's funny? It's dubious. Even stadiums, even when cities build stadiums, what they'll do is they'll, and this is the debate too with a stadium, right? Let's say you're a city and you wanna have, you wanna build a stadium so you can have a sports team.

Where do they get the money for the stadium? A lot of them comes from your tax dollars. So they're taxing people to build the stadium that costs X amount of billions of dollars, then they're gonna put a team in there, and then the only people that can really afford to go to games are wealthy people and it's like this debate, like you're taxing everybody to pay for something

that everybody's gonna benefit from, like you're taxing everybody to pay for something that everybody's in a benefit from and businesses aren't necessarily making money. It's actually quite the debate, but what the Olympics, when the Olympics is concerned, it's a lot of politics. Not as much business as you would even think. It's just kind of crazy. Well, I'd be interesting to see.

I still, you know, financially or not, I still think it's, they're heading in that direction. I think if you were to talk to like, glassmen or you might be able to Google out like with thoughts on CrossFit moving in that direction to try and get in there. Well, I know bodybuilding is never going to get in the Olympics. Yeah, no, because then now that makes sense because there's this, there's no, well, bodybuilding is actually CrossFit has some metrics to work with, right? Right. Well, there's a lot of judge events in, I mean, there's, you know, there's synchronized swimming.

There's, you know, there's all kinds of different events. I think I see you saying. There's a lot, but the pro, and bodybuilding is done all over the world. It's on, it's, I mean, it's a worldwide sport. The problem is the drugs. Like when Mr. Olympia won't be able to compete in the Olympics, now what? You know what I'm saying?

Because most of the money that goes to bodybuildings comes from the US. And then of those athletes would pass any freaking drug test. Oh my God. You know? That's such a... Yeah. Oh see it says there, Sports Standardization for CrossFit.

Yeah. That would be a big one. Justin, I wanted to ask you about a Wim Hof. Yeah. Oh I've never talked about experience with that. Yeah, that's right. Cause we hosted the Wim Hof. You didn't even look at the picture. Cold bro. Oh, that's right. Because we hosted the Wim Hof. You didn't even look at the picture.

Cold, bro. Oh, dude, I went into that arrogantly. I'm just going to put it out there. We went through a bunch of the actual breathing techniques and the sequence that Wim Hof sort of, he has a protocol specifically to how to get to this like ecstasy state, right? To kind of get outside of yourself

and to really calm down and tap into that autonomic system. So that was like perfect timing for me because I had like the most stressful week ever. And it wasn't even like anything insanely chaotic was happening like specifically. It was just the accumulation of like many things. And then, you know, before that, I actually, like I had the worst abdominal pain

and my life went to the hospital and everything to check out and get scan, make sure nothing was, you know, super wrong with me. Just turned out you had a good poop. Just turned out, man, you know, that's a blast. How much of the actual course were you able to sit in on? Did you sit in? I did the first day, so I prefaced that,

because I had a lot going on, I didn't get to do the second day, but yeah, I sat in through the whole thing. So, yeah, I went through the whole protocol, and so you do like these 30 breaths, so it's mainly focused on hyper-oxygenating the body. So we don't take really big deep breaths, and we don't really understand how to fill up your lungs completely.

And so, because she talked about why, why we're all short breath, or chest breathing. I think it's your posture, and it's just your body's just kind of acclimating to like, you know, just being in a seated position or just like doing daily tasks. Like you're not really like, you have to be really intentional to fill your lungs

to that capacity. So, you know, they do studies on that and they show that when people are in, like, moderately stressful situations, like we have every day, right? That you breathe more shallow. And that when people are placed in really relaxing situations,

then they naturally will start to do the full diaphragmatic breathing. And I mean, I think it has to do with the fact that the shallow breathing, that's your fight or flight, you know, breath. And in the short term, it's better to breathe that way. Like if a lion walks in the room, you're better off breathing shallow. So you get the fuck out because that's your quick, you know, your quick reaction. But if you do that all day, it's actually detrimental.

Yeah. And what's interesting, like, you notice when you do cardio or or when you're actually running your heartbeat is really pounding, like how you get to that state where, you get a little bit of euphoria from it and you feel these good effects, because I guarantee some of that has to do with hyper oxygenating the body and getting more air in. And so anyway, we did these drills

where we're really expanding the rib cage and kind of like stimulating here in the sternum. And just getting in tune with, you know, how to be more expansive with that breath and also like breathe through the belly and then fill that up and then into the chest. And I mean, really, it's boring to talk about but it was really impactful to go through.

So it's one of those things that you just have to go through it and you have to do it. And applying it is really difficult because you have to literally just be intentional with it. You do 30 breaths, like you do this full, huge breath, like inhale, and then you get rid of it. You exhale and quickly, and then you go right back into a big, deep breath, and you do that for 30, and then you hold on the exhale on the last bit,

which was something that I found difficulty in, because what you're doing now is you're trying to, you're trying to calm down that panic in your body, right? So when you don't have air and you don't like, your first reaction is to want to, I got to breathe again, I got to fill back up. And so just that, quieting that noise, because you have to realize your body has plenty of oxygen at this point. You know, you've been going through all these breaths and getting all of this oxygen in,

you can hold your breath for a really long time. Once you get past that initial point of panic. And so for me, that was really what I carried over into the ice bath part of it. So you can't do that. You got three cycles. So the last part, I'll just like get this out. So 30 breaths and then you hold,

and then for as long as you can, and then right away after you have to breathe in again, you, you, you, you, you then go for 10 second hold, and then you go right back in and you do this cycle again. So you got three times. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it works. Yeah. So how do you, how does it work, then, when you get in the in the like how does it work? In other words, I don't need to know the science, but what I mean is what does it feel like Getting into the ice bath after doing that versus not doing it? Well, like I said, you kind of you kind of learned to calm like this

this reactive part of your of your body where you're like you tense tense up and you get into that panic fight flight mode, whereas if you can suppress that a bit and get outside of yourself a little bit more, you can really ease into your environment and make it work for you. So me going into the ice, like the first time, like I was like, oh yeah, I'll go first, you know, like arrogant asshole. Yeah, no problem.

I've been in an ice before, and he had no problem. And, but I've only been to like maybe my, just right up to the chest. And so I, you go in and then it went all the way up to the neck. And so just having that and then it went all the way up to the neck. And so just having that ice and everything go all the way up and over the chest, your body's just like, oh my God, I'm gonna die.

You know, like I had this like this moment where my eyes got really big and then I just looked up and I was like, I seriously was in panic. And then I just remembered, you know, because you lose it, right then, because that's the first shock of it. I was like, I lost so shit. And I open my mouth real wide,

I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to get, breast in and I couldn't breathe, cause it's restrictive. So it's like a panic. It's a panic response. And then boom. And then that sort of kicked in, where it's like, no, you know, chill, relax.

And then I'm able to start kind of getting into that, that breathing pattern and zone and you have to keep your hands on top of your legs. So like the closer your limbs are, you know, the less surface, you know, area you have to get exposed to the cold. So anyway, I basically went through that whole process and then it's really interesting because what you're seeking is how quickly you can get into that state. So it's a lot like, all of a sudden I got myself into a flow state. Oh wow. Yeah. And it happened really fast because it was so shocking and in, in, in gnarly that once it was probably like a couple seconds, maybe it was like 15 seconds,

but you're in there for like two minutes. And so like the initial shock, the first time I did, I was like, oh God, I'm gonna die. And then I finally calmed down and then, oh, this isn't bad. And then it was totally chill. Do you know when you read Rise of Superman, they talk about this is really like the process

that you're going through is really similar to getting into the flow state, right? That's exactly what happens. And that's also why extreme sports have so much success with it, because it's this life or death. You feel like you're flipping upside down. Oh my God, I gotta die. Like that's your, like the average person,

just if you were to try to do a double back flip off of fucking huge ramp, we all would go, oh, this is a lot safer way to do that. Yeah, right. Yeah, so it's great about it Then that's why I appreciate it. So I So then after that you you get out and and it's great because you get into this kind of horse stance so you it's kind of like a power stance So you sit into it a bit so you engage your muscles in your legs, and then what you do is you basically punch across, and you're doing like a core rotation, and you're really, you're inhaling as you go one way, and then you're exhaling the other.

Ty-chee-chee. It's like Ty-chee, but it felt a little bit more like, you know, those Fiji and Warrior guys that are just like, oh, yeah. And you do all that stuff. And they're playing cool music with Wim Hof. Actually, he writes his own music, he plays guitar, and he does this cool tribal kind of singing. And so there's a track like that going on.

It was really cool, dude. It was like, for me, I'm not into the whole, like, you know, I hate to say this, but the more like the woo, like, like, Yogi kind of turns you off. Yeah, you know, let's all get in there. I'm like, okay, get in there. Why the boys? Well, and this is talking about flow, okay, so there's a reason why that is, like, it was like warrior. You require right now, okay? so this is like levels of getting better at getting into the flow state like your macro micro levels and so when you Do something so extreme that you're a physical person right so

Putting you in a situation that felt life or death helps force you in you for bringing that up Yeah, because for me my my initial reaction is to tense. And so what I do to overcome stresses to over tense. So like for me, like lifting weights, for example, like I wanna squeeze as hard as I can to get through it. And my go to operating system is full throttle, and for me to just barrel my way through it. This is the opposite.

And I could not do that dude with this at all. It really fucked me up. And you notice that when you watch some of the other guys that were a little more like had meditative practices, you can tell who actually has meditative practices in their program, because when they got in, you just watch and their demeanor change, and then they got into that state really quickly, and they were able to just chill in there. And I was like, oh my God, dude, I was like,

ah, it kinda makes you realize how much of our, the difficulties we have in everyday life. I really have to do it just us. Yeah, in our mind, dude. Like literally your body is telling you to panic, but you're not in any dangers, sitting in ice water for two minutes, if you're a healthy individual's not dangerous,

you're fine, you're not gonna die, but your body makes you feel like you are, at least your mind is, and we forget that we are the drivers of that. So did you get a chance, I love numbers and stats, did you get a chance to hear her talk about like as humans, like how much it's been recorded that we can actually control our internal temperature? No. They didn't address that. I would be interested to see what some of the as far as I know I've heard numbers like yeah, like you could like

some months to be able to be able to lower a razor temperature by like 20 degrees or something crazy like that's crazy when you think well there's a vice there's a little vice document that's what I want to know I'm off so I'm gonna have to go back and kind of go through that yeah we need to look that up because 20 20 yeah no I'm just like dead I'm throwing some arbitrary number out there I don't know if it's because even if you could raise it lower by four degrees, that's like incredible.

20, my God, I think I don't think your heart would. That's why I would know if they talked about it. So that whole process right after that. So that was all to start raising your core temperature again. And so pulling all that, you're drying yourself by intensifying your core and then your major muscle groups. And so, yeah, so it was interesting. And it's interesting to see where you have poor circulation, too,

with like your hands, your fingers, your feet. And for me, the second time throughout, I really noticed my feet, you know, not having as good enough of circulation. And so that's something that I would apply. You could even use like, just put your feet in an ice bath or like your hands specifically to work on improving that. So yeah.

See what, what, you know, it's interesting because we get in our own way a lot by saying things like, I'm not into the, you know, that woo-woo stuff, I'm not into that. And we've all said it, and it's like, we get in our own way. I mean, because it prevents us from trying things that very well may have some incredible application.

Like you said so yourself, like you could tell the guys and girls who meditated, because they get in there and that ice bath and they were a little chill, or you know, no pun intended, a little faster. Yeah, I think, exactly, and I think that's an ego thing, you know, for me, it's just this,, it's all in how it's presented, right? So if it's about improvement and performance, like this was a more about human performance.

And so you were like controlling, yeah, controlling your, if it was about balancing your pink chakra, then you'd be like, I'm like, I'll sit this one out. I mean, I'm not gonna wear those pants and shit. I'm not doing it. Damn. You're a physical feedback guy, and this is why, I said, why there's a lot of success, and why we've seen this rapid growth

in extreme sports is you don't have a choice. Like, you could drop into an ice bath, and it's like, you start fucking panting like crazy, and you're fucked, right? It's like, exactly. It kind of crazy and you're fucked right? It's like exactly. It kind of forces you fit where you get for me that you know I needed that right. So it's because sit you in a sit you in a dark room close your close your eyes and fold your legs and say hey get in the flow state it's like come on bro fuck off. I don't like all I'm doing right now is thinking about everything else right.

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Speaking of this week and two, we had Brink in here. He sent over an email over to us. I know a lot of his clients listen to show. What's up with the email? Yeah, he had some clients between ages 45 and 60. They're in good shape. However, they become obsessed with their own mobility. And so that's where their focus is gone. And now they feel like they're having a hard time staying in the game as far as the workouts are concerned. And they're concerned that they're losing their aesthetics and strength. There's some questions here. One from a 56 year old female, she's been

in treatment with him for one and a half months. And this is what she says, after a month of doing the mobility movements and not lifting, I'm starting to freak out a bit because I may be losing my muscularity. It's been an identity for me for a long time, and while the mobility is really satisfying way more than lifting for sure, it's going to take me a while to build enough mobility and a strong enough cord to build muscle with it.

Any guidance about how to manage this identity change? I'm softening up and I don't like it. This is close to home for me. This is what I'm going through right now. So I can totally relate to this. Being a guy who, if you've listened to this podcast as the beginning, I've been, you know, I used to say like, I'm all show, no go.

Like all I care about is I want to look good, you know? And of course I was in men's physique. So that was my main focus. And now I've made this transition into, you know, mobility. And I've dove head first, full on into it, completely embraced it, challenged myself to not care about I don't take it any mere selfies, I'm not weighing myself, I'm not checking my body fat percentage. I've completely embraced the concept that I'm going to work from the inside out and work on all my imbalances and my neurological connections and poor patented and get my body working optimally. And, you know, I would be lying to say that that isn't a mental challenge for me. It's fucking hard, man. It's really hard, especially when you talk about

a guy like me who deep-rooted insecurities with being smaller and, you know, I was literally in the suite at this concert the weekend, last weekend, and rented a Navro Bowman. And I haven't seen him since last year. And I was competing the last time I'd seen him. And the very first time I had met him, I met him and he was with a couple other diners and walked up and he was like, dude, you walked over and he grabbed my shoulders, my arm. It's like, dude, to have a guy of size and power

and as known as someone like Navarro Bowman, like looking at me and touching my muscles and being all in awe of that. Guy of size and power and as known as someone like Navarro Bowman, like looking at me and touching my muscles and being all in awe and so that fucking ego just went, whoa, felt amazing, right? And then Navarro Bowman to touch me. So I ran into, I ran into him with a weekend and said what's up and he comes,

walked up to me and he grabs me on my arms and he goes, what happened, bro? I thought, oh dude, just a fucking knife right into the ego. And I just chuckled and kind of shared a little bit of my journey, it's been going on with me, got caught up and stuff. But point being that, that's something

that I have to work on all the time. And those feelings are, those uncomfortable feelings that I have, I just have to remind myself that on the other side of that is growth. You know, so instead of like being frustrated with it, I go like, you know what, like I'm so much better today about that and dealing with that than I was just two, three years ago and definitely five years before that and most certainly 10 years before that. So if I'm still feeling this way, to me, it's like, oh, I still have room for growth here.

So instead of looking at it like, oh my God, it's like the thing with building muscle, I easily, I know that I can focus on building muscle, like, especially the muscle that you've already put on your body already. That shit will come back so fast if that's something I want, but this what I'm doing for my body as far as mobility, like that's going to carry on for so much longer and is so much more beneficial. And so, you know, if you feel like, you know, this is something that you have in it and then 100%, and I know in the rest of the question, she's, she even, like, I think she even calls herself out, right, and says that she knows that it's self-esteem, and self-image, and self-confidence.

I think the best advice I can, saying that I'm going through it with you, is that look at that, like if it bothers you, if it's a challenge, that means there's opportunity for growth in that area. And instead of turning back or getting frustrated, embrace it more and go forward. Because I think the further you go with that,

the more comfortable you become. And so for me, part of that too, is wearing clothes that I would disguise myself so I don't look skinny or small or doing those things. Instead of that, I'm embracing that and being comfortable with who I am. And I know that sounds weird as a man

who's been in men's physique to talk like this, but it's fucking real. And I think that a lot of people don't share that and don't say that. And I'll tell you right now, 90% of those men and women that get on stage that most people idolize and look at their physique, most of them have the biggest insecurities

out of the average person. So to say that they don't, they're full of shit. Like that's what normally drove those people to be so neurotic about getting in shape. So for me, you know, if I feel like I'm struggling with that, then that's a reflection for myself that there's a lot of room for growth still there. So I think when we look at this, okay, so a couple of things with her, she's been doing this for one month, okay. And she's a 58 year old female. Now 56, 56, your situation is more extreme.

And there's a couple of questions I'd want to ask you because there is a dramatic difference, right, in the way you look when you compete it to now. But are all things equal? Is your nutrition as meticulous? Is your, in terms of calories and protein? are you on the same level of Androgens? Are you as consistent with your workouts? Because I would argue, and I'll argue this all day long, that if you take most people who are natural,

who work out consistently to build muscle, and if they make a targeted effort for mobility training, that they're not going to see a huge decrease in muscle. They're just not. Yes and no. This is where I'm going to defend her on this is it's, it's hard to live in both worlds. And you tend to, and you're right on everything you said about me. So 100%. I mean, my testosterone level is probably 50% less than what it was when I was competing. I'm not counting calories. I'm for sure under consuming protein intake on quite a few days, you know, in the month.

My training routine is way more inconsistent. So I definitely would have a closer to aesthetic physique had I kept all those things up. But part of me really embracing it actually was to let go of that stuff. So and maybe that's part of where she's going through to. And so I looked at it like you went all in with it instead of trying to hybridize. Yeah, because then I feel like I would be I would be you know Floorting with one and not really fully committing like I'm there's a reason why committed is tattooed on my forum Like if I say I'm gonna do so I'm gonna go all in and if I'm gonna truly say I'm gonna do somewhat polar energy forces They are yeah

And that's and and that's my point is that your yours is pretty extreme in the sense that you are competitive physique competitor. She's, this is one month in and she's talking about how she's afraid of losing muscularity. I don't, I bet you if we saw her picture from the beginning to the end of 30 days, we wouldn't notice that big of a difference. I think more of this is in her, I think much, much more of the time. All of it, all of it's in the head. That's what I'm trying to get at,

all of it's in the head, but it's okay. It's okay that she feels this way, and I can identify with, you know, making a shift from being someone that was so heavily focused on building a muscular physique. And the way I, the reason why I can identify so much is because I guarantee I'm even more extreme, but that's what I meant by,

go deeper, you know what I'm saying? Let it go, let it go. I'll tell you right now, as hard as you've worked, I've worked for 15 plus years on building this muscular physique. And I completely have let that side go to completely focus on mobility. And you're right, Sal's right, I could be having more of a balance. I could be focusing, I could keep more of an aesthetic look

while I'm doing this, but that's just it. Part of this process for me is letting that go and not caring about it and being okay with that. So I'm by me kind of letting go of all that is also me kind of challenging me mentally that I can be okay with it. Now what you're gonna see with me real soon here, so ironically that we're talking about this,

is I'm about to shift gears again and really dial in all my training, my diet, tracking my steps again, and I'm gonna start to build on this really mobile physique that I've been working on for the last year. So you're gonna get to see both, but part of me really embracing this mobility side too was knowing that it was what I needed not only physically

but also mentally, and part of that had to do with, I wanted to let go of that. And I am intentionally not caring about muscular. Yeah, I get that, but I'm wondering how much, if you took the typical, you know, Jim Rat, someone who's consistent with their workouts. If you took them and changed their workout from focusing constantly on building mass

and changed it to more mobility, full range of motion type movements, and their diet doesn't have to change. If they're eating healthy before, they could eat the same after. It's just the workout that changes. I don't think you're going to see people, except for those that are on the extreme levels, I don't think you're going to see people go from this dramatic change in how they look. I've done it many times. My bodyweight

changes a few pounds, which is nothing. If I go strict conditioning mobility type stuff versus a, we've had people do maps performance who've come out and said I Surprised to have I built more muscle get so it's it's surprising. I think most of this is is Like a mist construed like like oh shit if I stop Training like a bodybuilder. I'm a lose all the muscle well I knew too that if I was going to really embrace the mobility side that I I If I was going to really embrace the mobility side that I I couldn't I felt it like I would start training and I would get that itch that drive for the for the bodybuilder side of me to build muscle When I knew damn well that I need to be putting more work into my mobility and I and you know When you're training and you're lifting heavy and you're trying I mean we created programs to live in both worlds

So let's be honest. It's possible. It's integrative. Yes. It's integrative. It's possible. You can do it But where I'm going with this and what where I can just totally relate with how she feels right now and If you want to break the psychological part then try the answer isn't Find a way to do it to make sure you keep as much muscle and find mobility. It's embracing it. Yeah, no, I'm not saying to find a way. I'm saying for most people, if you, you know, you're not cutting your testosterone in half. You're not going from eating 3,500 calories a day to eating, you know, 2,000 calories.

You're not doing all these other crazy drastic changes, which, by the way, had you done those changes and kept your routine complete bodybuilding, you would have seen a dramatic change in your body. Well, I can speak to you from strength element of it, right? So just living in the mobility side for quite some time, a lot like Adam is talking about, there's a period where you really start to kind of get into that that phase where like this is benefiting my body. I'm doing all this for my joints and and I'm trying to work on range emotion and I feel really good and and charge and all this. Now I have to kind of if I've been focusing on that for a long enough

period of time, there's a lot of like friction there for me to now ramp back up and start working on my strength gains. It started deadlifting really heavy again and squatting heavy. It's a challenge. Let's be honest. It either way, you know it's benefiting you, but at the same time, you need to start thinking ahead. You need to start adding and implementing these things, so now we can kind of bridge our way back to that integrative approach where it's all included. And keep this in mind, like if you start making, yeah, it can take some time.

Like I took my belt off and changed my grip on deadlifts for like eight months. I didn't deadlift over 450 pounds for eight months. I was a regular 500 plus pound puller all the time. And I had to drop the weight, go double over hand grip, you know, take my belt off, I didn't lose any muscle, or if I did it was a little bit, it wasn't much, it wasn't totally noticeable.

I just went back to using my belt again, and I can already see I'm getting close to where I was lifting before, but now I feel more connected to the weight and I feel different. I think for most people, you focus on mobility. If you lose aesthetics, it's going to be small. When you go back to training for aesthetics, after having fixed a lot of your mobility issues, you'll probably achieve better aesthetics, better balance, better moving because you're a range of motion and controlling will be much better.

In the long run, your aesthetics will benefit. Now, I'm not talking to the super small minority of people who go on a stage and compete, because that is such an extreme expression of aesthetics that in order to look like that, you have to be that extreme. I'm saying you have to do all the stuff that's extreme to do that. But most people, like this 56-year- old woman, if she fixes her mobility issues, connection issues, and then over time, let's say over the course of six months or however long it takes, because it can take a while, it can take as long as a year, right?

She goes back to some of our older exercises and focuses on building muscle. I bet you she's going to come out of it looking better with less effort than she did before. Oh no, absolutely. I think that's the fear. I think hering that momentum. The fear we have, right, is, and I think why I'm a great example is because I am so extreme that, I mean, if I were to go take my body fat test right now,

okay, I'm pretty good at this because I've done this so many times. I'm probably sitting at about a hundred and 80, 80 something pounds of actually lean body mass. And when I was at the peak of my competing, I was up to about 208. So that's a fucking lot of muscle. That's a lot of, but I will tell you something right now.

You'd be surprised how fast I'll get that back. It's not as, once you've been there, of course, it's really actually easy. It's a lot of work to get one more pound of muscle, one more pound of muscle, but it's amazing how resp- I've been blown, I'm blown away by it every time I do this. Now do you adjust to stochial levels with that along with that? Like, hey, I'm gonna build muscle now, I'm gonna take more. Oh, if I was competing, I would.

This time I won't. So this time keep it the same. Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you- I'm keeping it at replacement. I'm not gonna try and get to my Competitive I'm not know because it'd be interesting to see how much because there's zero science around this like studies at least But anecdotally we see it right it'd be interesting to see How much that makes the difference you know, I mean versus okay?

Here's the androgen levels I was at before and this is how much lean body mass and now how much? Oh, yeah, I mean I'd be interested to see if you could match. Yeah, I think if I think if I think if I was at before, and this is how much lean body mass and now how much lean mass. I mean, I'd be interested to see if you could match. Yeah, I think if I was lifting, as here's why, here's a thing, there's times now where I know I need a lift for muscle reason, like to build. If I want to keep building size or maintain size, I go into today's workout. But then my head goes, what I really could use is like an hour of just movement, you know, mace bells, Indian clubs, doing some of our maps anywhere in priming fortification sessions. And I could spend a whole hour plus just doing that. And you guys don't see a lot of work that I do at home and outside of here.

Like, to get where I'm at, like, where my mobility is now, that has been a lot of work that I do at home and outside of here. Like, to get where I'm at, like, where my mobility is now, that has been a lot of dedication purely to that. And it's been like two years. And, well, I'm not that long, but it's been, it's been a solid year of, maybe more, really, really addressing it, to where I, and it's been a process. The beginning was, I was a little resistant.

The beginning, and to be honest, when I watch you work on your mobility right now, it reminds me of where I was at when I first started really trying. Then I got to a point where like, dude, I want to be able to, I want to be able to sit and ask to grasp, bro, with 300 pounds in my back and feel comfortable. I want to be able to do a pistol squat. I want to be able to take myself with an overhead, you know, a barbell overhead press and not feel like I have forward head.

I can't even put my back flat against a wall with a wall press. Like, I have all these things that I've been like measuring and going after and that has become so, I've been so focused on that that all the other shit is not a priority. And, you know, someone who's 56 may have as many imbalances I do and that could require a lot of that work. And you can, I mean, it's your body, that's a beautiful thing.

Like, if you feel that you need to go the other direction, that's fine, but what I will tell you is, even let's pretend like you decided to do what I did, which is just say, fuck it, I'm not gonna worry about the muscle thing. It's actually really easy to get it back. It is not that what it is a lot of work and a lot of dedication is to put the time and effort you need to put in to repattern

bad patterns that you've created for 40, 50 years. And that may require her to let go of the weight training so much and become heavily focused just on the movement and the patterning. Then when you get good at that, then going in is kind of switching, but don't be afraid. Don't be afraid that you're going to lose a ton of muscle. I promise you that you'd be so blown away by how much you'll get that back. Quick interruption by our sponsors. You guys, lots of people have been asking us how they can support the Mindpup Mafia family. Our first one is our Chimera Coffee that we love.

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for that discount. Next question is from Dr. Koove. What is your most recent nightmare? What do you feel fear is an adult? So we're talking about literal nightmare. Like I went sleep and had a bad dream. I think that's what they took. Well, I don't think you get to say a little,

what stresses you out right now. Well, I mean, there's an adult, that's probably the clue. I don't even what they do. Sure. Well, I don't think you get to say a little, what stresses you out right now? Yeah, well, I mean, because that's an adult, that's probably the club. I don't even have nightmares anymore. I have a nightmare I can control it. I'll start because I know Sal's gonna say something about kids because I'm gonna say something about kids first. Oh, dude.

After a couple of scares and going to the ER, you've had a couple recent ones. Yeah, like that's what keeps me up at night sometimes. Sometimes just like you just hear noises or whatever and then like this instant panic and then I just jump out of bed and then run out and I just make sure like that noise wasn't coming from downstairs

or my boys are downstairs. So yeah, but like that's the thing now because of those two. Dude, things, it's like this crazy insane, just panic and fear and it's real. Dude, have you ever had that before? Have you ever lost your kids? For like a second? Oh, awesome.

Yeah. Yeah, fucking worst feeling. Yeah, once. That's suck. I remember when my son, God, he must have been, let's see, five. I mean, he was really young and we had just bought a house and we were remodeling it. So we were living with my in-laws for a month while remodeling the other house. And we put my son to bed and he, we were all sharing a room upstairs in my in-laws house. And so he was in sleep.

He was young again. I think he was five. And it was hot summertime. So we had the window open and we go down stairs and we're all watching a movie or whatever. And at the time, my wife goes upstairs, like to like, she's going to go to bed. And all of a sudden, she goes, she comes down the stairs, she goes, where, you know, where's the medical? And we're like, what? And this, and I knew the window was open to the bedroom. And this fucking panic came over me, like I've never experienced my entire life. Because he's in the house, the window's open, he's a small child, where would he be, right?

I like, I could not, I flew up the stairs, I think I took two steps and cleared the entire stairs. And what it happened. And what it happened. And what it happened was, he had walked into the closet and fallen asleep. and what is superhuman reactions. Like crazy. And what had happened was he had walked into the closet and fallen asleep. And we couldn't find him for a grand total of one minute.

It was literally 60 seconds, but it was the most terrifying. Like a lifetime horror. The most terrifying 60 seconds of my life. And you know what's funny? I don't know, Justin, if you kind of realize this yourself, but I realized after having kids, like, there was nothing to be scared of before I had kids.

Like I look back, I'm like, what the fuck was that word about? Yeah. Yeah, well, it's trivial. Yeah, like that's how I feel about it now, but like, you know, it was real then. But yeah, I mean, like just the face, like so yeah, my son was choking

and he had swallowed a marble and it was like a big marble and it was lodged and so like, you know, my wife was the first to find him and then brought him upstairs and I was like, you know, dead asleep and then she's like, ah, and then I was like, ah, ah, ah, and then she's the nurse and so she's calling and I figured like, hey, you know, like,

like she was like losing it and I was like trying, okay, I have to be the one to like keep everybody together here and so like, you know, like, she was like losing it. And I was like, okay, I have to be the one to like keep everybody together here. And so like, you know, it was, okay, here's what we're going to do. You know, in the meanwhile, like my son's turn white, you know, and like, and so we put them, we opened up the the freezer door and we have them in there just to calm his, his throat so he could breathe in cold air. And then that was able to loosen up a bit and it was able to kind of pass. But and then the ambulance came and everything and then it finally just went all the way. And so we were good, but like it was like lodged there

for like, you couldn't do highly, it wasn't in his windpipe though. No, okay. So yeah, we dodged a bullet with that and then he just passed it out, you know, scary. Yeah, I mean for I'm not as scary as things ever happened to me. It gives me anxiety. Besides it does it besides kids because that's an obvious one You know what would be one of my biggest nightmares would be to be in a situation where you feel like

For me at least where I'm worthless. You know what I mean? Like, okay, I need to, I wanna start a business or I wanna go become employed or do something like that and I don't have anything to offer anybody and I feel like I don't have any value. I think that would be, that was, a nightmare for me for a little while. And it was mainly because I did not go

the formal education route. I went, you know, I worked for a large company and managed gyms and I owned my own business, and there was a little bit of that insecurity of not having a degree, not having those letters or whatever that diploma, and having a little bit of the fear like, whoa, am I gonna have value if I need to go work for someone,

or if I gotta start something else? And I think that was more based on, I guess, an insecurity at the time. But now as an adult, besides that, I don't know if I can think of too much else. I guess it's all revolved around my kids. If I think of anything at least scares me, like natural disaster, it's around like, oh my god, what's gonna happen to my kids? Or illness, like, if I get sick. Well, spiders.

Yeah, yeah, besides spiders, I guess that would be it. Yeah, I don't know if I, sick, we'll spiders. Yeah, yeah, it'll be a side spider. I guess that would be a- Yeah, I don't know if I, I definitely don't have a recent nightmare. I can't even tell you the last time I even had a nightmare. And if fear is an adult, fuck me, dude. I don't, and I think this is where I'm like,

Sal, maybe, like, if there is, the only I can relate to this is if K, if what stresses me out or what could like cause like a major state change for me where I'm just like super irritable or I flash on somebody or I'm just out of character to where it's just keeping me up at night, I can't sleep. I'm really good though now, I think of being aware

when I feel that coming on, or if I get like that and putting into practice some of the things that I do to bring that down and to relax. And for me, it's kind of similar to what Sal said. Like mine is getting stuck in this place like where I don't have growth, right? Where I'm not with the businesses and growing, where I'm not growing, where I'm just kind of like,

you know, that clock puncher, like even though I'm the furthest thing from that, but that's part of what makes me not that guy is that's a big fear of mine. Like, and I know in the back of my head, I've always, I've always like, when I dive into something, right, and we're gonna build a new business or do something,

I go like, well, I always know that if shit doesn't work out, you know I could always go this, I could do this job, you know I could go work for somebody from nine to five, I could make you know six figure income and I could live and I could be fine but that's my greatest fear like that's not what I ever want to do and I think that's what motivates me and there's this you know fear inside that that could happen and so that's think that's what motivates me. And there's this, you know, fear inside that that could happen. And so that's a lot of what drives me. Now, when I realize that it's bleeding into my relationships with others is when I address it, right? So, you know, really easily like in this current business that we're in right now, we go, we've, and

I've already experienced this multiple times where we go through these growth spurts or where we get to hit these lulls and the business seems stagnant. And in business, you're either growing or dying. It's not, you know, anyone ever says that it's stagnant or staying the same as full of shit. So, you know, the moment that it's stagnant, that's the moment it's dying to me.

So when I, when we go through those moments and the business, I get, it stresses stagnant, that's the moment it's dying to me. So when we go through those moments in the business, I get, it stresses me out, it'll keep me up at night, and that will drive me crazy. Like, I don't have nightmares, I don't do that. If I had a nightmare, at one point in my life, I figured out how to control them, so I normally end up stabbing the guy and killing him, and I come out to be like the superhero, right?

Or bring the chick home like, came out so. Nightmares actually go my way. So whenever they start off bad, they end up really heroic. So you do lucid dreaming. Yeah, I don't know what you call it. Yeah, lucid is when you know you're dreaming. So you can start to control what's going on.

I only, you know, it's funny you say that. It only seems lucid though if it becomes a nightmare. If it becomes a nightmare, like I have this ability. Oh, then you control it. Yeah, so if it's not a nightmare, you're not aware of that. Yeah, if it's not a nightmare, like I have this ability. Oh, then you control it. Yeah. So if it's not a nightmare, you're not aware of that. Yeah, if it's not a nightmare, I'm normally deep asleep, but if it's scary or something

that someone's chasing me or you get some of that, like right away, I'm like, this ain't real. Did I see those dreams, like when I was a kid and then later when you wake up, or you think you're awake, but you're not awake yet, and it feels like somebody's like sitting or like stepping on your chest, and like I couldn't like really breathe. That's a common one.

I've never had that before. That's Satan. It was just Satan, bro. It's a demon. I know. It's a demon. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

Begon demon and then I was fine. Cause I have Jesus. You know, they say dreaming dreams are fucking strange. It's such a mystery. Like there's so many different theories. The one that I tend to believe in, or at least the one that resonates most with me is that you have particular feelings and emotions And you go to sleep with these emotions and your brain tries to make sense of the emotions by creating

You know creating a consciousness around it and since you're not awake it admins it so if you're you awake, it means it. So if you've got all these problems that are mounting and you're stressed out about it and then you go to sleep, it could maybe be like this big monster that you can't get away from and that's chasing you or maybe you're super insecure about your appearance.

And so then you have a dream that your teeth are falling out or you're really afraid of doing a presentation. So maybe you're dreaming that you're naked or that you forgot to study for a test. You know, like it's like your feelings, it's like a whole, getting manifested on, we have it. Oh, you do. Yeah, interpreting your dreams.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I mean, I definitely think that's, to me, that sounds commonsense. Yeah, that's how I feel. I mean, it's on your mind, your brain trying to put something together. It's the last movie you watched a couple days ago. Yeah, that's in your mind, right? That's the last thing you just consume.

You just consume whatever. I guess one direction that makes me want to ask you guys is we have fears, right? As an adult, is it, I guess there's got to be a balance between letting a fear drive you and letting it be the only thing that drives you, right? Because a fear being fear driven tends to make us behave in a way you could use fear, you know, or to kind of like propel you forward. They say on the other side of fear is success. So I think there's nothing wrong with being afraid and having that, like that's kind of like going to recognize it. This goes back to the question that we were just talking about, like so a fear of mine,

okay, is to be skinny, like I was in high school again and lose all my muscle and like, you know, feel inadequate or what I'm not feel buff and muscular, but that's part of like what I meant by, I'm full all the way. And like no way, like I feel like I would be like putting my foot in just a little bit if I was really still kind of focused. I'm making sure I keep as much muscles I want. Like no, fuck that.

I'm going to embrace this. I'm going to embrace this look, this hippie look. Dude, I'm going to go all in. I'm going to become mobile. I'm going to fix all these issues. I'm not going to be insecure about this stuff. I'm going to fully commit that way. I'm going to face that fear all the way.

So to me, that's kind of. So it's not driving you though At that point your fears that because when your fear was driving you it would drive you to not Go not go into mobility right going in that stuff So I think the important thing is just identifying the fear but not be driven by it in the sense where you're so scared of something That it you controlling it versus it controlling you. Yeah, absolutely. That's why, yeah. I've always had a fear of like, you know, seeing the wrong thing. And so now I just always say the wrong thing just to get out there first, you know, I'm

like, oh, fuck shit. You know, hey guys, you know, well, that's, I mean, that, I mean, you, you expressed that when we first started that there was, you know, a fear for you getting on the mic. It's not something you want to do. You face that. Absolutely. I mean, I absolutely a fear of mine, you know, like I, I just, I for you getting on the mic, it's not something you want to do, you faced that. Absolutely. I mean, I absolutely have fear of mine, you know, like I just, I like to be flying the wall sometimes and, you know, even in conversation with close friends,

like, oh, we'll get into it if it's a topic and, but I don't feel the need to be heard as much. Like, I don't feel like I need that. I don't need feedback from people to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. I don't need that. I can do things myself very well and I can assess myself in what I'm capable of and but my communicating that to somebody else as far as that's what I need work on. You know, I need to be able to express my ideas better and you know, so I built a nice comfort system. I feel I feel like a lot of, I think definitely most of us

in this room, I'm for sure speaking for myself, can say that I'm a fear seeker. Like, yeah, I look for it. Like if something rattles me or something, I don't wanna do it, like instant, I wanna headbutt it. Yeah, instantly, and I've said this on a previous podcast that's a state change, right?

If I'm cruising around my day, you know, one of you guys says, Hey, let's go do this and I'm like, all of sudden, either fear or doubt or insecurity comes in my mind and like I go, Whoa, where that come from? Like looks like I have something to address like because on the other side of that is success and his growth. So when you shift your mentality to instead of trying to avoid fear and stay away from it is looking forward in your life and conquering it, I mean, it's just growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, growth all the time. I don't know. It's tough for me to find it.

And I tell you what, like I'll let you know when I come across another thing that's that in all the dress and I probably the closest thing to that now is the losing of all my muscle, which I'm no longer afraid of. Next question is from Mr. Ball Challenge. What kind of ball challenge are we talking about here? Well he's currently training to be a spin instructor. He's two weeks in, his knees are hurting, and he's told that he rides well. So he's wondering if you think it's gonna continue

and he also wants your opinion on the pros and cons of spinning. So if you're doing something, so first off spinning is obviously for those who don't know, it's like you're riding a stationary bike in a class and it's very intense. Oh, I was like, you know, you're in a spinning circle. Yeah. Tread lightly here. Yeah know, you're in a field. You're just, yeah.

Yeah. Tread lightly here. Yeah, it could be one of those. Tread lightly when we talk about spinning yoga or runners. Oh my god, that's my religion. Well, so here's the thing. So spin, typically very intense classes, they're, you know, cycle based because you're on a bike and you're following an instructor

who's telling you to go more intense, less intense, simulate riding hills and, you know, sitting on your seat and stuff like that. It's like any form of repetitive motion. It can, it will, if it's all you do, it will create imbalances. So, if all I do is spin, I'm going to create some, create some muscles to be stronger and some muscles to be tighter. I'm going to lengthen some muscles and strengthen others in positions that are good for cycling, which means I may create imbalances for walking, for lifting things up, for other types of

activities. So, that's the problem with spinning. The problem with spinning is the same problem that we have with any repetitive motions. If that's all you do, it will eventually cause you problems. Now, in this particular case, if he's trained to be a spin instructor, and he's already fit, I think I know who this person is, and his knees are bothering him,

it may be due to an imbalance, but it also may be due to just overuse, because at the end of the, you can hurt because you overuse something, because your body's not used to it. Like, you know, if you've never spin this much in your life and all of a sudden you're spinning like crazy, even with good form and stuff,

you can still get inflammatory issues in the joints that are used the most, and in this case, it's your knee. So this may be a case of, you might need to spin less, you may need to focus a little bit more time on rest and recovery and maybe some foam rolling and stretching and mobility work because if you push past this point, it may not be a good thing. You may cause yourself some issues in your knees. And it depends on where your knees hurt, but I've known people to get things like condromalacia,

which is inflammation and issues with the bottom of underneath the patella, which once you get to that point, kind of sucks, it's hard to come out of it if you can come out of it. I think for sure, address the, or look into the YouTube series that I just did with Dr. Jordan shallow. We did a whole series on hip health. And in my experience,

especially with somebody who was a good physique, like I know, he, I know he's in good shape aesthetically, right? Someone so he's lifting weights, he's training. When I have somebody who their knees are bothering them from doing something like also cycling, a lot of the times it could be related to hips, hip health, and it could be overactive muscles and underactive muscles that are going on, a lot of times related to the IT and TFL,

and your IT runs all the way down and inserts in the front of the patella. If that's super, super tight, that can cause stress on there, and then all you're doing is, and then when you're pedaling, that's all quad, hip flexor dominant to do that. So a lot of anterior muscles that are going on there. So you could be super overactive and tight. So opening up the hips and making sure you have good mobility before you get in so priming your body Before you get into your cycling class. I would look into that pros and cons

I mean right with Sal the the pros of it in great cardio You get to do like hills and you can do sprints and you get some of your hit type of cardio in there So great for burning fat great for burning calories And could be interactive and fun, because you have friends and a lot of hot girls take spain classes, so that's also a pro. Cons, I think the biggest con I'd say is a lot of people get really addicted to this.

They get addicted to how fun it is, the hot girls in class and all the calories they burn. And then it becomes something that they do three, four, five times a week. And there's not enough of the other stuff to keep them very balanced. And or it becomes something that is the only way that they can get in shape is when I take spin, I'm in the best shape of my life. And... Well, to go along that pathway,

I can relate on the sense that I went through a period of just playing basketball as my getting in shape, and that was my workout. And just stepping outside the gym and getting really into the conditioning element of basketball and just the explosive movement and I mean there's a lot going on but at the same time like it was it was wear and tear on my joints was wear and tear in my ankles my knees like my my lower back and you know it as fun as it was I had had to understand that like, I need to build my

body up. I need to build up the strength and support my joints. And I need to work back in the gym. But it's still fun. You know, it's a great experience. It's something that's like, if that, if spin provides that for you and it's an activity for you Keep it in your life, you know like that's the thing like we don't have to all like the same shit But at the same time like you got to benefit your body for the long haul and your joints and think about If it if you're posture starting to decline if you have an aches and pains constantly You really got to be reflective on that and figure out what that's really doing for you.

Yeah, and don't forget the spin is not what's hurting your knees. So it's not the spin class, especially if you're someone's telling you you have great form. That's just your body letting you know that there's something wrong. So that's where you go back and you start looking into the hips and area. Typically, it's, you know, especially if it's going from a spin and you're in that seated position, my guess would be hips. You're going to go either hips or the ankle is more than likely causing issues with the

knee. In a spin, I would think it's less likely the ankles and more likely related to the hips. So I would go in that area. Well, there's also the, when people are riding spin bikes or bikes in general, I used to train a high level cyclist. He actually competed and he would tell me how important the kick like the pullback is in cycling. So it's not just the pushing down of the pedal,

which is all anti-erlatic quad. It's also the pullback is in cycling. So it's not just the pushing down of the pedal, which is a lot of anterior, a lot of quad. It's also the pullback and then the extension with the ankle and it doesn't contribute the majority of the power in cycling, but it does enough to where it'll make a substantial difference. Yeah, I mean, it could, it definitely could be ankle. I mean, I would go there too, although it's less likely for spinning.

It's less likely, it's more likely, hips. So I would look into that direction if that's what's going on. Now, my experience with cyclists is the knee pain, and again, it depends where the knee hurts, but my experience training cyclists, a lot of the knee pain that people will complain about is where the patella tendon meets the tibia.

So right at the tibial, what is that tuberosity? And people will feel it like right down here. Well, they'll get sore in their knees. And one thing that may help, and this is not a cure, it's just, we'll alleviate some of your symptoms, is after you're done with your spin class, is to sit in a deep quad static stretch, which should take some pressure off that patelli tendon because it'll loosen up the quads. Your quads are already super warm and

pumped from your spin class. So you just get into a deep quad stretch and really hold them for a while and then come out and see if that helps. I've had some success with some of my cyclist clients with doing that and where, know It was hard for them to to change anything because they were in the middle of training for you know in event Our best 99 are the maps programs applicable for someone who is morbidly obese or in very poor shape So I think we first define what morbidly obese means because that's that's all that's another Love of the community. Yeah, that's another level, right? Obeasts, there's obese, and there's morbidly obese, and it's defined in medical terms as

someone who is between 40 to over 50 in terms of the BMI. So it's a pretty hard thing. What you're talking about mostly like three four five hundred pound people It depends on your height right? Of course, but I mean the but it's you're you're pretty big and it's only it makes up 6.6% of the population Which is doesn't sound huge really high though if you think about it. It's 15 million Americans man It's 15 million Americans and that the number of rascal scooters the number of morbidly obese American Americans over the last 10 years has

been written although you mean those are motored ones yeah yeah yeah or the lark I get around that's that number has gone up something like 50 or 70 percent like the the percentage of morbidly obese has grown tremendously over the last 10 years. Which is really crazy. More information, more knowledge, more tools, and yet we're still going that direction. It's, we're losing the fight boys. It's pretty scary. And you know, here's the thing,

when you're talking about morbidly obese or very, very poor shape, you're talking about very decondition individual, somebody who, if I've had clients like this, right, they've come and see me and and their workout consists of. Oh my God, Doug. Thanks, Doug, for that picture. Appreciate that. Holy hottie. For that, you know, those individuals will come in and their training will consist of standing up off the bench, sitting down on the bench. Oh my god, what is it? Oh my god. You know, it'll consist of lifting their arm above their head, you know, trying to get

good posture. It'll consist of very basic movements. What word did you just Google, Doug? I want people to be able to see this. Morbidly obese. Okay, just go to bed. Okay, so, but you know what, so let's, let's, let's be honest. Oh wow, there's even where all the worst places are in America.

Oh, the South. The South winds. Texas is that high. Wow. I think Miss Tisipi was the fattest state. There's a percentage thing next. So let's address, we can all agree, like if someone is morbidly obese, like maps is not the program for them, walking, moving.

Like actually just moving the body is the program for them. Yeah. Somebody who's in poor shape, though, who's on actually just moving the body is the program for them. Yeah. Somebody who's in poor shape, though, who's on their way maybe to become morbidly obese and actually can, they don't have to ride in a scooter to get somewhere or they actually can't, because most people that are morbidly obese aren't even leaving their house, right?

No, they can get out of their chair. Yeah, I mean, like getting up and down from a seated position is very, very difficult. Yeah, somebody had a morbid obese is actually is looking to do things like, you know, gastric bypass just so they could live and survive and knock off a hundred, 200 pounds just so they could eventually get up and move.

So we'll address poor, someone who's in really poor shape and maybe heading that direction. And yeah, absolutely maps is, but we would regress that. Like so, I mean, and Maps anywhere was, when we first were creating, I remember we were talking about this, like, you know, hey, we're gonna create this at home program. So let's create something that, you know,

people will be able to do this one, they could do like the Sean T, fucking super intense. And then they can also be for somebody who really lacks conditioning mobility and can work out. And so that was why we kind of flipped that program on its head, and it's designed that it's only two days of body weight movements, and then the other three days are in intensity sessions, right? So you have the ability to intensify it.

So that way it'll allow somebody who's in great shape, they can use that to progress the program and really pushify it. So that way it'll allow somebody who's in great shape. They can use that to progress the program and really push to it. And then if there was someone who's nowhere near the ready for that, then they would stick to just working on the body weight type movements, which would be just set a reinforcing postural position. Right. Yeah, it's going to it's going to have that sort of a carryover from it. So yeah, we wanted to make sure we at least had an answer out there for somebody that's super deconditioned. So it's not like we're just throwing them into hitting the weights when they haven't even

addressed all these imbalances or even just lifting anything at all. So correct me. I mean, if you guys think of it, I mean, I think I would, if someone came to me and they're on their way to going this way and they said, Hey, what map should I do? I would stick them with maps anywhere maps prime and maps red and I would I would give them this I would say listen Maps prime. We're gonna we're gonna incorporate that with maps anywhere and then when you're ready to progress We'll move you to maps red preface Yeah, I would even say just do the fortification workouts

in prime for a little while because they're all based on correction. And just do that. Before even doing Maps anywhere, body weight movements, because some body weight movements, although they can be very simple and basic for some people who are really, really, really deconditioned

like the most basic movement. Well, I think that's perfect example example there, how you would decide that. You'd be based off of that, right? Now, because you want to support the joints, I mean, because they're taking a lot of load and stress, and so that's why it's important to understand where you can optimize that. Meanwhile, simultaneously, get out and just do some real light activity as far as movement is concerned. So, I just looked up what it would take for me to be classified. And by the way, they call this, they call morbidly obese obese class three.

And you guys want to guess why they change the name for morbidly obese to obese class three? I don't know the answer, but I'm going to take a wild guess. Class three. And say that they're trying not to offend people. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So that you could say, hey, you're a class three man obese instead of saying morbidly obese. I don't know the answer, but I'm gonna take a wild guess. And say that they're trying not to offend people. Yeah, yeah. Right, so that you could say, hey, you're a fast-three man. Obes, instead of saying morbidly obes because people get offended.

Anyway, for me, who I'm six feet tall, I would have to weigh 300 pounds to be over 40 PMI. Now that's definitely big, but that's not so big that I'm stuck in a, and like you said, a rascal. Yeah, yeah. So I think there's a lot more people in this category of who are just, they're not so deconditioned that they can't move,

but they're definitely pretty big. And the funny thing about BMI, which is a little side topic, I know athletes who are, whose BMI's would put them in this morbidly obese like, I'm pretty sure there's some NFL players. They kid me. Who have a BMI over 40? Who have a BMI? No problem moving.

And a BMI is garbage. When it comes to that, when it, yeah, you could get somebody that's super muscular and it's like, no, come on, that doesn't work for that. But yeah, they need to have some sort of standard. So I understand that as well. Yeah, I'd say, you know, maps prime, fortification sessions, that's where I would star almost anybody

who's deconditioned. I would have him do a compass test. If you're the, if you're deconditioned, you're probably gonna fail all three tests. And then it'll point you to fortification sessions that are connected to the three three tests that you failed. Now for those of you who don't have maps prime and have no idea what I'm talking about, fortification sessions are correctional based workouts.

They're exercises put together and programmed to correct major muscle and patterns and imbalances. And the focus of the workouts is not just different because of the exercises, it's also different because of the intent. For example, a Cable Row, a Ceted Cable Row, or even a machine row, might be present in a routine for building maximum muscle or body building or

even for strength. So it may be the same exercise but the intense totally different. Like if I'm having someone who I'm trying to put in correctional type workout and I'm having them do a machine row cable row, I'm having them use very lightweight, even for them lightweight, not just lightweight, relative, but even even for them something that's really light that they could do pretty easily They could pull the way back pretty easily But the intent is perfect Perfect form like bringing the shoulder blades back and depressing them and pausing at the you know the top of the rep where you're squeezing and coming forward of nice control, making sure the shoulders don't rise, making sure that the wrists don't curl, that I'm not getting

this, that everything stays straight and tense, that I have good core stability. The intention with correctional exercise is as important, if not more important than the exercises themselves, because if I take that same exercise and put more weight on it, it's no longer correctional because that person's recruitment patterns will revert back to the old ones. So, if you're listening, you don't have a maps program and you're super deconditioned, that's the way you should approach your workouts. You should approach your workouts with perfecting your form and practicing your form and maybe take videos of yourself doing them and seeing if you can identify discrepancies between right

and left and you can see that your shoulders may not be moving the way you want or hips may not be moving the way you want. If you're on our forum, you can post those videos on the forum and have people assess them and then just perfect that and then over time slowly add resistance to what you're doing. So I guess that's it. There you go. Check it out.

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