Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 511: Fasted Cardio Pros & Cons, Ideal Sodium Intake & the Vaccination Controversy

Episode Date: May 19, 2017

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Big Top Beard Company (bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about fasted cardio and if it is overrated, proper sodium intake and vaccinations. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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You catch yourself in the mirror and you think to yourself? No, I have to. But we had, I feel like there's been my, there's been like phases of the podcast. 500 episodes a lot, dude. There's not a lot of people that don't over 500 episodes. It's funny when we meet other podcasters and they've been on air for like,

oh, we've been on air for seven years. You know, 200 episodes. I'm like, oh, wow. We talk a lot. Yeah, so you've been taking your time. It's come full circle for me of like being super uncomfortable to where we need to get high or drunk or like to calm the nerves down, right?

So now you're so comfortable and now it reminds me of like anything else that I've done where, you know, I catch myself where I'm like, oh, I'm getting too comfortable where I'm like, you almost is for lack state. And part of, I feel like you can hear that energy through the mic. Like you can pick up on stones into monotone real fast. Yeah, yeah, right. And that, one of the things that I feel like you can hear that energy through the mic. Like you can pick up on stones into monotone real fast. Yeah, yeah, right.

And that, one of the things that I love about the chemistry between the three of us is that there is all these different tones and humor and seriousness and like different energies. And when they're exaggerated, I think it creates a really cool dynamic. And you know, and some, like I'm already like, I'll find myself sitting up to talk

because that makes me like wake up more, you know what I'm saying. So, there's been little things that I've noticed that when I- I used to tell my sales guys to stand when they're on the phone. Yeah, I used to do the same thing, dude. I'll stand up for a little bit. You can be tired of calling 40 people in a row to stand up for an energy, yeah.

And you can hear a smile. You can hear a smile in the line. That's what I would tell the guy. Stand up and smile because they can hear it. You can hear a smile in the line. That's what I would tell the guys. Stand up and smile because they can hear it. You can hear a smile if you're going to be a jingle. You know what? So we just recorded another episode earlier and I was telling, we were telling Jim stories and I just remembered, I just remembered some of the Jim stories, some of the interesting

things that would happen. So when I first became a manager, you guys, did they sell, when you were, when you got an management atom, were you guys selling apex and personal training, were they separate, or was it at that time that it had to become? You know what? Yeah, no, they were separate.

But not just the supplements, it was like the apex program. And you had an apex technician. There was a certification that we had to do first, which was through apex. Yeah, that was after they merged out. There was a time when they were separated, when you had two apex technician. There was a certification that we had to do first, which was through apex. Yeah, that was after they merged out. There was a time when they were separated, when you had two hours behind that. So that was 24-offentance,

24-offentance university. The last day we learned about apex, and it was like a separate company that they had their own, they had their own like shirt and brand, and they used to come and talk at the 24-offentance university. Yeah, so when I first became a manager, the, and I remember, you know, this was probably 98,

maybe, 97, 98, we had an apex technician in the gym that dealt, so when people bought personal training and they bought apex, they'd meet with their trainer, but then once a week they would meet with the apex technician who did their nutrition. And it was based on, and I know this all now, I don't know this then, so this is why you'll get the story. Okay, go ahead.

So, I'm fascinating that is on purpose. So, I, I don't know anything about it, I knew nothing about it. All I knew was was apex and nutrition and personal training was personal training. So, my first month, we blow it out, I'm a fitness manager, we blow it out, right? I think my goal was like 13 to 14 grand,

and we did like 30 something which was unheard of back then, right? So everybody's like, you know, good job. And then the manager comes, the district manager comes in, and sits down and he's like, hey, you guys are kicking ass. You've sold, you're like 300% of goal of personal training. But for Apex, you're only like 110. He's like, why? And I'm like, I don't know. And he's like, well, why don't you, you know, why don't you sell more Apex you're only like at 110. He's like, why? And I'm like, I don't know. And he's like, well, why don't you, you know, why don't you

sell more Apex? He's like, okay. So the next month we blew Apex out, right? Just crushed it. So the Apex people came down and like, hey, we want you to teach our people what you're doing to sell Apex. So, I was like, oh fuck, I don't know what Apex is. I told the guy, I'm like, I don't know like what Apex is.

He goes, he goes, what do you mean? What do you mean you don't know what Apex is? He's like, you sold a record amount. He's like, you sold like 7000 or whatever the number was. You just broke records in Apex sales. He goes, what do you mean you don't know what it is? I'm like, I don't know, I just know it's nutrition. And I know you guys tell me to sell it

and I know people in the nutrition. So I sell it with Apex. Do you remember what they used to have? Remember that, because the guy looked at me like, what the fuck is going on here? So back when they were separate, they used to also sell them. Remember the starter kits that came?

Of course I do. A hundred dollar starter kit that used to, this is, like it was just a bunch of supplements. It was like a week's worth of multivitamins and antioxidants, a couple packs of protein powder. Huge huge essentials. Okay, now think of that from a business strategy. I wonder what Mark was thinking.

Mark Mastroff, it was the owner creator of 24. I wonder what he was thinking, what was his initial strategy and what made him pivot to NASM because Apex was still owned by 24 of Venice, but it was a, they built it like a sister company. No, it got owned later. At first, they partnered, but it wasn't owned when they got bought out by 20 and then they got bought out. So Neil Spruce, what, right? Was it Neil Spruce, the founder? founder think that's his name he's an asm are you sure yeah he's tied to an asm maybe he went to an asm oh you're right he did yes right yes it was a pecs and the deal spruce invented apex and what apex was it was a

nutrition philosophy should google that to make sure that soul yes check it out I'm almost positive look at look at a look at creator ofpex. Look at Neil Spruce Apex. Yeah, that'll be good. Yeah, he invented... Before we start quoting people's names in the video. He invented this... Look at my phone, that's wrong. If I'm right, if that's the actual guy, whoever it was, I think it was him.

But they invented Apex and it was this nutrition philosophy based on how some people respond better to diets that are higher in carbohydrates, and other people are better with higher proteins and less carbohydrates. And they did this through questionnaire to figure out what you oxidize food or whatever. I think that was the terminology they use, which is bullshit, but anyway.

And they came up with this whole questionnaire and this whole sales process, and along with the nutrition program came supplements and what you would do is you go in there and the apex tech or whatever would give you a meal plan or give you several meal plans and yeah it is see meal spruce. Now he has dot fit which is his new company. He started. I remember that. And so what apex, the goal with apex was he would sell it to gyms. So he'd go to gyms like golds gym because there was a lot of gyms at any apex It wasn't just 24-affitness there were goals gyms that had it yeah, and he'd go in and he would say I have this program in the system That will sell supplements and it's a nutrition program with all these systems and it's gonna be great

It'll grow your personal training business whatever and so these gyms would adopt apex, they pay for it. And I know because I had a wellness facility and we were going to include. Look, I hear it. Look at this right this sense right here. With apex, spruce and his team developed fitness programs using over 1500 fitness facilities worldwide, serving over half a million new participants annually. Yeah. Yeah, they were damn, they were so that's a lot to.. Yep, yep. So he was part of the body bug creation too. Yes, body bug was traded by them. Oh, because like you're mentioning that with Apex and I remember distinctively when that became a thing, when body bug came in and they

started to like showing, like teaching us in some of these courses and then we finally had access to them in our clubs. And we murdered that. Remember, we ran, we ran a competition amongst the trainers to not only get all your clients to have one, but now we're going to put that and test our numbers and make a competition out of it. And we just killed it. I'll tell you what, about Neil Spruce, definitely a, one of the geniuses in fitness, he was very smart and a lot of different things that he did.

And a lot of his approach. He's very forward thinking. Very, very forward thinking. Well, dude, and his company now, I don't even know exactly what it does. I know if you say, I know people. It's what he picks, dude. It's the same, similar thing.

Supplements whatever he designed for a health club model. Again, I know because they were trying to get me to get dot fit into my facility. Oh, no way. So that's what they do. Yeah, so it's basically a nutrition program system with supplements that you can sell in your facility.

So as a business owner, as a gym owner, you're looking at it and you're thinking, oh, I'm gonna, you know, and look, see the four pillars of fitness what they use? Is that sound? Oh my god. I like the five components of fitness. That's so great. Yeah.

So the whole, oh, by the way, Apex was really early on talking about post exercise supplementation. Oh, yeah. They went into that real quick. Oh, yeah. Because there were a couple studies that showed improved glycogen, you know, uptake or what, you know, replenishment or whatever. So well, this is what pretty fast and he's stuff and stuff, but I sold the shit at Apex.

I had no idea what it was. Yeah, that's it. That kills me. That's so good. It makes me wonder though what made him go, what made him get rid of it. Like, they got rid of Apex. Because 24th Indusones, and I think there was a clause that he couldn't do another company for so many years.

And when that clause was over, boom, he started a doubt fit. Similar to how masteroff went off and did UFC gyms at the five. It was literally on the five year, like birthday literally. Like he wasn't allowed. It was the roomers were going around that it was going to happen. And then like on the day, it was a pretty much.

So that was so so gangster. It was like day one. I'm back, mother fuckers. And you have any comes out and announces on one, I'm back, motherfuckers. And you have any, comes out and announces on TV that I'm partnering up with Dana White, Dana White, Mark Mastrop, we're gonna create these UFC Jims.

It's Jim for smart. I remember being like, oh shit, look out, watch him come. I think 24 Fitness was, all at the same time, was a pioneer the gym business, and then a fuck the gym business. I think a pioneer it because they were, they were really the first ones, not the and then a fuck the gym business. I think I pioneered it because they were, they were really the first ones, not the first ones, but the best ones and the first ones that really do well.

They're the standard. To make like, to turn into like a big time money producing. World wide. Business. But then they fucked the business when they, when their strategy became about selling cheaper and cheaper memberships to try and beat their competition

and everybody's price is going up. Well, this is, and now they did prices got up. Now they just all, I can't remember what Boot is reminding me. It's, you know, the business grows so fast and so rapidly that it can't keep up with itself, right? So I'm watching the same thing happen in Orange Theory right now. So that's why I can give you guys predictions

and I've been telling anybody that owns them or any friends of mine that are in them and they are like, all fascinated by them right now. That eventually what will happen is that market will get saturated enough smart business fitness people will see that, oh, look, there's the model, by a three to 5,000 square foot space, create group classes that target resistance training

and cardio in the same place, do membership base. Very similar to, it's like CrossFit, CrossFit has the same business. That heart rate monitor. Yeah, it's a brilliant model, but it'll become oversaturated and then when that happens the trainer fees will go down the membership prices will go up it'll get shittier like so I've told anybody that's in this is such a fat driven industry. It's well and it's no fat when you've

been in it long enough it's really easy to see these indicators and that's why too like I don't even like when when people get an argument with me over, I'm just like, okay, you could be right. Maybe this is the thing that stays for, for I doubt it. Nobody's jogging now. I doubt it. Well, what makes me laugh is when I watch

the Info-Mersals on TV when they'll pop up, and it'll come out like this new invention, and it's an ab wheel, or electric stem, which has been around for like 60 years. Yeah, and they'll show it like, it's this new thing, where this belt, I'm still waiting for that like belt thing that like shakes the sheet out of you.

You know, you step inside it. Oh, they'll sell it differently. They'll sell it differently. Yeah, it'll be different. Who knows, there may actually be some benefit. The vibrating thing that comes out. I think there already are some of those tools, there's still selling shit like that.

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And on one side, you have the, you know, scientists, fitness people who say, it doesn't matter at all, it's totally stupid and it doesn't make any difference. And then the other side of it, you have all these coaches and trainers and competitors who say, no, it makes a big difference and I can tell when I do cardio fasted. And then there's the science.

And the science actually shows that you may get increased maybe fat oxidation with fasted cardio because insulin is low and all that stuff. But in the big scheme of things, is it gonna make a difference? No, I mean, maybe if you're like 3% body fat in terms of fat loss, it might make a little difference

that you could see, but I don't even know if it's enough to really matter because if you're so tired because you're so fasted, it might be better to have food and then do your cardio. Now, that all being said, activity-fasted period or just being fasted is kind of a great state to be in when it comes to fat loss. That's a different topic.

Yeah, because I think people who do faster cardio maybe end up fasting longer in the morning. So let me tell you exactly how I used to do this with myself and then any athletes I got ready first show is I talked about I would add the hit right that was my first source of cardio that would get I implement into there and then after they've gotten seven days where I've prescribed them doing this 12 this little 12 minute hit the next thing after that would be these fasted cardio, but when I would do fasted cardio, it's a walk. So all I'm really asking you to do

is to get up an hour earlier than what you've really done to move more steps. And when I found, when I went through that process, it's not about the difference in, oh, does fasted cardio versus fed cardio because you know you're gonna be able to do more later in the day versus in the early morning. None of that mattered to me because if I wasn't getting up an hour earlier to do facet cardio, I would be sleeping in bed and just getting up and making my body move for an hour, I was going to burn way more calories.

And then I just kept it fasted so I wouldn't have any extra source of fuel or any sugar to burn. So I'd be just sit I know I'd be making more steps burning more calories and turn more than likely burning more fat So that my theory on that was if you if you're somebody who like likes to do in the afternoon cardio and then you don't Switch it to getting up earlier in an hour and being tired as fuck like that doesn't really matter But if you're someone who's like me who I'm not gonna do an hour of cardio in the middle of the day, like I just don't, I do shorter bouts in the middle of the day or I make a session about just moving or going on a hike or something, but I can't just, I don't like to just in the middle of the day

do an hour cardio. So in the morning, I'll be half asleep, put a book or easy listening music and just walk, you know, walk for an hour. Yeah, I think, you know, as far as just straight fat loss is concerned, I don't think it's something that makes it, I mean, on the list of priorities, it's weighed down at the bottom.

In terms of some of the potential health benefits, they're definitely there. I mean, if you're in this for longevity and health, I'll tell you what, doing cardio in a fastest state may help your body become more fat adapted in a sense that you may accelerate the process at which you utilize fat for fuel. So which is a good thing, it's good to have your body go into ketosis every once in a while and come out of it and you want to have that metabolic flexibility.

So if you wake up in the morning, let's say your last meal is at 8 o'clock at night, you wake up and you do cardio at 7 a.m., I mean, that's an over 20 hour, or whatever, excuse me, over 12 hour fast. Doing cardio in that state could promote faster, fat adapters. And I think it's good. People are, through the type of person that like won't do it, absolutely won't do it because, you know, you get sick to your stomach or, you know,

I always have to eat something before I do any kind of movement. Like, you need to train your body to be able to go through that process and to be able to respond when, like, you're very capable of moving when you don't have food in your stomach. You can overcome those. That's a great point. That is great point. Yeah, that response.

I've just heard that excuse so much where... I used to think that... Yeah, I used to think if I didn't eat, I would crash in my workout. First time I fasted and worked out, my mind was so blown, that not only did I have plenty of energy, I actually felt better. I thought for sure I would crash, I haven't had any carbs today, I have an Eddie Protein. It's kind of mind blowing for some people. It was fucking mind blowing.

And you know, that's a great point because if we look at the bodies and adaptation machine, consider all the things that your body gets stronger through adapting towards. So I'll use an example that's not what we're talking about. So we had, recently, we had a pulse check in the studio and he was talking to us about temperature contrast and why, you know, going from a super hot sauna and then going and freezing cold waters good for

the body. Now the way Paul explained it, and I know what the science says. The science, luckily, nowadays we have the science that shows it is good for you, but 15 years ago that didn't exist, but he'd been doing it for a while and he said, look, he goes, your blood vessel's ability to dilate and constrict, okay, and your reaction to heat and cold come from the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems of the body. And he goes, and the reason why you start to get better at acclimating to cold or hot after doing hot hot cold contrast training is your body's getting stronger at it. You're training that adaptation, which is a good thing.

It's great to have a sense. And because think about it, we evolved, you know, with lots of temperature contrast. It was freezing at night, it was hot during the day. Now we're in this temperature-controlled environment all the time, we don't train that quote unquote muscle anymore. And we turnquote muscle anymore, and so of course, and now we have the studies to show if you do temperature contrast training, it is very healthy for your body. Every study shows it's very healthy and cultures have been doing for thousands of years. So, thinking about exercising on an empty stomach along those lines, like, if you never do it and you go work out and you feel nauseous and oh, I get light-headed, that you may have, you may need to train that adaptation and you

may benefit from it. So I don't know if it necessarily is better for fat loss, but my belief system is if your body gets better at adapting, it gets healthier stronger. Overall it might, right? I think it just goes back to the decision we said about whether you would, when you're more likely to do it, because really, I am for sure the guy who says all the time that, man, I wanna get up like an extra hour,

two hours before I need to get up and have a cup of coffee, go for, well, I actually did this today. So funny we're talking about this. This is how I would like to do this, is get, I got up about an hour and a half before I even need to come in here and I got up, I walked walked the dogs and then I went on a walk by myself while I was drinking a cup of coffee and it was just this nice way of waking up. Now, I don't normally do that.

But if I was getting ready for my show and competing and I knew I needed a shred body fat, like I had, I have a schedule to be ready for the show. Every day I need to be leaning out, Every day I need to be leaning out, every day I need to be leaning out. Me simply making myself get up and just walk every single morning, I added so much more calorie expenditure in my day that made a huge difference. And then if I were to add anything to that,

I would add like I said, the Hick cardio sessions later on at post workout. Well, what's funny is just speaking for me personally, and I know several people like this. I prefer all my workouts fasted. I do not like eating before I work. If I eat before I work out, it's got to be hours before because even if it's just one and a half, two hours before, I notice I'm more bogged down and I don't have as much

energy and stamina. I could totally, yeah, that was never the case for me ever until the last couple of years, like the last two years maybe. And it's just for me to go from not eating pre-workout was just such a, like that took a lot of mental ability for me to do that, like the first one was like, there's no way I can make it through it. Like it was ingrained in my head.

It took me a long time to do the same thing. It took me a long, it would this happened during this process that we were all together too. I wasn't, I wouldn't, I would never. I remember in our first episode, you would say that. You'd eat like an hour ago. And I would feel that way. And I would, and I would play with like one workout.

So I actually had to go for a while of doing that on a pretty regular basis before I got adapted. So when Justin just brought that point up, that is a really good point. Because it's, and even just doing it one time is not enough, I had to actually train myself to kind of get used to that process and be able to control my hunger like that. And it was a big hurdle for me. Once I got over it, now on the opposite, I'm now the guy who used to say, oh, I have to have at least 300 grams

of carbs because I was, oh, I'm competing days. I need at least 300 grams before I even get to the I remember saying that yeah because I was doing five 50 600 grams of carbs You know in a day, so I needed all that I felt like that in order for me to get this full workout and have energy where it just seems like No matter where you look and no matter where you turn What making the body stronger and last longer has to do with getting it to adapt to different types of stresses. That means that you have to apply the stresses in the right amount, with the right intensity, because if you over apply it, it overcomes your body's ability to adapt.

Yeah, you get sick or whatever. So this is everything, temperature contrast, working out when you have an eaten. I think it has to do with food're, you know, when you have an eaten, it could do, I think it has to do a food intake, water intake, like, sun exposure, like being too comfortable with everything is, I mean, it looks like across the board is bad. It's a good idea to probably have a little bit of, you know, these types of stresses and I think exercise happens to be one of them. So from a, like if you go comparison to comparison, you know, like Adam said,

whichever one you prefer, go for it. But, you know, we're just kind of breaking down. It may be good for you to do that every once in a while. Right. Yeah. S. Dudario. Can you talk about proper sodium intake? Is the recommended 2300 milligrams correct or have we been misled? You know what? You know what? I love about this. How come they haven't changed that? Is it still on there? Oh, dude. They're going to change it. Oh, they will. They're going to change it. You know what? I love about this. How come they haven't changed that is it still on there? Oh, dude They're gonna change it. Oh, they will they're gonna change it. You know what I love about this like dietary fats This is everything this is one more It's actually the whole fucking thing we were sold like the whole paradigm. We were sold yeah for What makes you healthy now in healthy right right? We were told avoid fat high fat. Yeah avoid fat

Especially saturated fat. Avoid cholesterol like yeah. Avoid fat, especially saturated fat. Avoid cholesterol like crazy. Yeah. Don't eat cholesterol. I need a low sodium diet. Those are like the big, like, don't eat those things right there. Yeah. We'll kill you if you have those.

I mean, that was what we were taught for murderers. We are now learning that not only was that advice wrong completely. It's upside down. It was bad. It was bad advice. The sodium one is a very, very interesting one. So they've done a couple huge meta-analysis of all these different studies. So a meta-analysis is when they take several studies,

because you can get two different studies that come out with two different outcomes, right? So what you try and do is you try and collect a bunch of them and look at what the trends are are so you can kind of tease out the truth because sometimes it's the sample size and it could be other factors that maybe aren't factored in. So when you look at the whole picture, you get a, you typically you could expect

a more clear picture. So they did a huge meta analysis of these studies that with a total of about 6,200 subjects and they found, and this was published in the American Journal of Hypertension, no strong evidence that cutting salt reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes, or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. And then in the Journal of American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that the study subjects had, was actually a measure of showing

that they would have a greater risk of dying of heart disease. It's actually the fucking opposite. Trip off of that. Now let me tell you, now let me tell you something that when you've been told this for a really long time, and then you hear this on Mind Pump for the first time, let me tell you the first struggle or hurdle you will have trying to get beyond this way of thinking is water does pair with sodium.

And when you increase, go and increase your sodium intake. If you're used to eating 2000 because you were scared of salt for so long, then also in your double or triple it because you heard on Mind Pump go for it. Don't be surprised when you hold some water away. Especially in the beginning. Yes. So that's totally fine. It's not fat. That's what people will think of that. Like, oh my God, the scale went up two pounds.

Sal told me to have more sodium. Fuck you. Not only that, that's happening. It's not working. Not only that, but most of the water that you be holding will be in your muscle, not outside your muscle. So remember this, most of your muscle, if you're looking at your muscle size,

most of it is water. It's not muscle fiber, a lot of it's water. So if you're all of a sudden having a little more water in your muscles, you know what you're gonna look? More muscular, your muscles are gonna look more toned and tight and full. I've experienced this myself. Well, this is the competitive trick, okay?

Most competitors didn't know this. Like, I'd be listening to them, they're like, oh yeah, my coach is looking at me, then he tells me I get to have a cheat meal at night. Well, it's that sodium load the night before, and the little bit of water they have left in their system and it just fills up the muscle bellies, makes their skin look tighter.

It's not the magical fat inside the cheever. Well, I mean, why we are a little bit cautious is to like, you know, have people like add and include more sodium in their diet is because we started to look at preservatives and the way that all these packaged processed foods like carry so much of it already in addition to then adding it into it. Well, this is a good point to make too because where you're getting your sodium, right? And yeah, it's good.

Well, that's what the content of the sodium is. Well, that's what you have're getting your sodium right? And yeah, what's the content of the sodium? Well, that's what you have to tease out, right? If you look at people with the high sodium intake, they're also eat the most processed shitty food. Right. So what you have to do is tease that out. It's not the sodium that's causing the problem. Basically, what these Mata analysis studies are showing is that

low sodium is way worse for you than high sodium. Now, they're not saying high sodium is great for you. What they're saying is eating a lot of sodium probably not a big deal, maybe not ideal. I'm sure at some point it's not good for you, right? Maybe not ideal, but what's worse for you is low sodium. Well, can you mention too, like with Himalayan salt and like what options there are

as far as like your best options for salt? Well, salt found typically in natural sources is accompanied by minerals and certain mineral profiles and regular table salt is scrubbed of all that. It's they remove everything and just leave the sodium. So when you eat what that type of salt, it can actually rob your body of certain nutrients. Now you have to do shit ton of it for that to happen.

But basically, I mean, the gist of it is this. If you're going to eat sodium anyway, if you're going to throw salt on food anyway, like I do, you're better off opting for salt that's got better mineral profile. I was like, I love Himalayan peax salt. Certain sea salts a little bit better. What's that? Black salt. Black salt is actually colored. I learned that by the way, it's not real real. It's not a bitch. It's like marketing. But natural salts have more minerals in them. So I'm already gonna put salt on my food. Am I as well?

You know, have salt on your food. I would tell clients if they were salting it themselves with good choice like that to have a heyday. Go for it. Go to town. Like you really be surprised. You have the whole food, but you're packing the salt on top. Yes.

If you're eating whole food and you're controlling the salt, don't even worry yeah. If you're eating whole food, and you're controlling the salt, don't even worry about measuring it. I'm like, enjoy yourself. If you like salt on that, put salt on that. But if where you gotta be careful because what people don't realize is the amount of salt in the processed foods, because if you go somewhere out, eat out,

right away because they have to preserve that food. Thousands of milligrams of that. Oh yeah, it's like quadruple. It's like a good way for me to go. Oh, it's quadruple. Any meal, any whole food meal that you could dump salt all over. Like it's literally that much of a difference. So.

Yeah, what you got to consider is that sodium is essential. Salt is essential for the body. So having too little of it is, it can be quite bad. It can be very, very dangerous. It can cause problems. And here's a crazy statistic here. If you're an athlete, you'd better not watch your salt. If you sweat and you work out a lot, if you watch your salt intake, you could be sending

yourself up. Well, this is the danger. This is the dangerous part that happens to like competitors because they start cutting some of these dumb coaches. This is with the stuff that I want. Bodybuilders have died on stage. Well, right after a competition, there's a lot of these coaches out there that don't understand

what they're doing when they're trying to reduce salt and they tell these competitors, I've gotten multiple clients that had coaches before, before they got coached by me, tell them to cut their salts like their whole prep. So like their whole prep, they're like, not you, they're using all that fake fucking dab. That's crazy.

Dab shit. Meanwhile they're doing cardio, they're sweating. Yes. I mean, they're training their ass off, heading into a flavor god. Yeah, that type of shit. Not even real stuff, they're, they're, they're, they're seasoning because they think

they can't have soda. God forbid, yeah, you have any salt. Unbelievable dude. For eight, 10, 12 weeks at a time. Fucking unreal. Yeah, you have any salt unbelievable, dude for eight 10 12 weeks at a time Fucking unreal. Yeah, no if you're an athlete in fact when I train athletes Sometimes I'd have actually I would have them especially runners. I'd have them take a pinch of sea salt Their water and put it in their water. I mean if you're an athlete salt up man salt your food Instead of gatorate. Yeah, you'd be you'd be stupid to watch your sodium intake or to keep it low if you're an athlete,

unless you're specifically directed to by a doctor. Jay Thomas N. What are your thoughts on vaccinations? Whoa. We sure you wanna tackle that. I was just asking that for a real reason. Bro, you did, you wanna go here? Yeah, all right.

You know why? You know why I wanna go there? That's up there with the big three, man. You know why I wanna go there? Oh, no. Because this is actually like the 15th time. I have no say in this Someone has I do not have my wife is passionate about this. Oh, I bet dude. I bet she is so here's a here's a first off I can't wait to hear Justin's opinion first off. I want to be very very clear on two things very very clear on my opinion on two things

Number one, and this isn't this is yes, it's my opinion, but I could debate this all day long the vaccine is one of the greatest medical breakthroughs in human history, period. Nothing, no medical breakthrough has saved more lives than the vaccine. Now, one of the reasons why vaccines are so easily demonized is because they're preventative. And what I mean by that is, let's imagine if antibiotics were not given to you after you got sick. Imagine if you had to take them as preventative medicines.

They would be vilified more so than vaccines, because actually antibiotics are actually much more dangerous. The reason why we love antibiotics is because you get sick, you take when you get better. With the vaccine, you don't get something and then get a vaccine, you get better. You take it and you get nothing.

So, we don't see the millions and millions of dead bodies or sick people. I mean, it wasn't that long. People don't realize it. It was like a few generations ago. Not that long ago, where people would fucking die of shit that doesn't even exist anymore all the time. Like polio, we had a president who had polio

and then you know, he was crippled as a result of it. Like that happened all the time. Imagine as a parent of a kid, God parents nowadays wouldn't survive with a polio outbreak, how big a pussy's there. You know, send your kid to school knowing that, you know, we had Ebola that infected four people and people were freaking out.

Imagine if it would, you know, something like Ebola that infected four people and people were freaking out. Imagine if it was, you know, something like Coli and Humb, which affected a large percentage. Put a whole town out of the population. So vaccines are definitely a godsend. The second thing that I want to be very clear with with vaccines is I don't think, and this is my opinion, I don't think anybody should ever be forced to have a vaccine. And you're just nailing all my points. I don't think anybody should ever be forced to have a vaccine. And you're just nailing all my points. Yeah, I don't think anybody should ever be forced to have anything.

Yeah. So I don't trust, here's a problem, I don't trust forcing anybody to do things to the body. Number one, it's morally wrong to force anybody to do something with their body. And number two, I don't trust our government to decide what we should be forced to do with our bodies. Mainly, and not because I think the government's evil, but because they're always fucking wrong. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, what we could be forced to do now, you know, 15 years from now, oh oops, we realize, you know, here's a problem with that or whatever.

Plus, some of the stuff the government's done, look up the Tuskegee experiments where they were infecting, you know, black prisoners with syphilis just to see what would happen. I mean, there's some crazy shit that they've done. Like, I don't fuck now, fuck you. There's no force on anybody. But if you are a business, or you should also have the right to put a sign on the door. You should have a choice.

You can't come in if you're not vaccinated. So that's that. But yeah, like, like, cells mentioning, it's tough because, you you know it like knowing what these vaccines and the science behind him and how how like massively beneficial they are to us and to to stave off these old diseases that I mean is pretty ridiculous that you see things like measles and you see these things kind of making a comeback just because of people's You know preferences to you know not not vaccinating or vaccine But at the same time is frustrating as that is a such a choice

You know and so for me it's I would rather have that be the standard that people like in their kids Like they they can have the choice to do this to prevent these things It's just like in their kids, like they can have the choice to do this, to prevent these things. It's just, you just feel that they're stupid for making that choice, but at the same time, like there's a distrust and government has proven itself to cause the fact that there's a mistrust of a lot of these handling things. Well, science isn't always right.

No, and there's certain things we don't know to look at. And I will say this about vaccines. I'm not pro-all vaccines. Okay, so here's the other side of, I'm gonna piss everybody off as usual, right? All right. When I was a kid, we got, you know, like a few vaccines. We got, you know, a few shots and then you were done.

Today, they had turned out, right? Well, so there are now 49 doses of 14 vaccines by the age of six. Wow. Today, when we were kids, we would get, I think eight shots, eight or something like that total, so not again, 49 by the time they're six. So, and they're for all kinds of things,

things that we grew up with, like chicken pox and stuff like that. And they wanna do flu vaccines all the time, right? I don't even want a kid. I don't want this response. Now here's the thing about the flu vaccine. Well, here's the thing, not all vaccines are created equal. No. Some I could see being like big deal.

Others like, okay, not that big of a deal. And they haven't been around that long. And can we make a mistake? Yes. Can your immune system actually, like, can you just train your immune system for once and to get that to kick in and be the priority and stay off these illnesses like the flu or do I have to get a shot all the time?

We'll see, that's what they'll say. They'll say this is training the immune system, but for me, it's almost like, and I know the science, okay, I get it, this is just my skeptical side. You're asking the body to Become immune or whatever Through a much bigger process now to a lot more things there is a there is a reaction to a vaccine if you have a child You'll know and you can they get a vaccine. It's not

It's not out of the ordinary for them to get a fever or accurateable afterwards Yeah, because it's their immune system activating, right? It's causing immune system reaction. Will you do that a whole bunch of times? And we, you know, the immune system, we don't know a lot about the immune system, we think we do, but we're learning new stuff all the time. Like the microbiome was something that we knew nothing about 15 years ago. Now we know it's this major player and all these different things. So that's where I can see the fear and I can understand it. Like, so for me, I'm a little bit picky and choosy with my vaccines.

I know there's doctors listening that are getting pissed off at that, but. Yeah, and I kind of caution because I know my wife's more on the medical side because that's where she's coming from, whereas I'm a little more cautionary because I always feel like I want to explore a little bit.

Oh, you guys do. Oh wow. Not like I'm trying to prove her wrong or I'm listening to her thought process with that. And then also like, she's not really big on mandating. Like, so she's not gonna have to get a flu shot all the time. Her work like forces her to get like a flu shot all the time. Oh wow.

Yeah, and because that's one of those things, I'm like, I mean, I know that like there's been really bad seasons of the flu. And I didn't get a shot. I never get a shot. And she's getting a shot. She's getting sick. And it's happened multiple times where she gets the flu. And I did not.

And so it's just interesting because it's, you know, obviously probably not connected to the shot, but connected to the fact that you just have a better immune system part. Just the immune system part, that like, and it's the same thing with being exposed to germs and you know, people that are always like cleaning like super like hyperchondriac, like cleaning all the time and not really immersing, like getting their hands dirty

even, you know, like people are afraid to get their hands dirty and I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. There were so like such pussies. It's, you know, and also remember, it's super easy to scare people. It's very hard to unscare them, especially when it comes to kids. Like, you know, there can be an article, an alarmist article that comes out that says, you know, pacifiers linked to, you know, I don't know, sudden infant deaths syndrome or something like that, right?

Oh, yeah. And then it could come back and be like, oh my god, the data was wrong, we totally messed up. But all the people that are ever that's tainted. Forever. Forever. Well, it's just like I told you about the sodium thing. We just answered that question and I'm like,

I already know what happens. Like, when even people know, like the truth, they've heard it before, this may not be the first time they've heard the whole sodium talk before, but I bet you there's a ton of, there's thousands of people that are listening right now that try to take that advice and start increasing their intake of sodium and saw an increase in weight

and probably backed right off right away and be like, I don't care how smart it is for me. Yeah, not for me. My body told me no, because I gained weight right away. The thing with stuff with your kids in particular is like, I'm a parent, right? I can be so paranoid about myself for whatever, multiply times a million, that's what happens with your kid.

And if I'm gonna do something for my kids or give them something and someone puts that doubt in me or that fear, the second guessing starts to kick in. Like, yeah. Like, my kids get, you know, most vaccines, right? There's some that I, and I'm not gonna go over that on Eric's, I don't wanna be responsible for someone, you know, doing the same thing, I'm doing.

But, you know, I remember my son got a vaccine and then got a fever and was crying. And immediately I'm like, oh fuck, like, what if all those conspiracy theories were, what have I done? And you feel like, you know, it's easy to scare people people it's hard to not scare them and then it's easy to make these connections because most kids are vaccinated so now you've got most kids are vaccinated maybe there's just maybe it's the microbiome that's thrown off and we've got all these food allergies right

which is probably what it is but it's not hard to connect that right because all these kids are also vaccinated so so oh it's the vaccines that must be doing oh it's the amount of vaccines oh it's not hard to connect that right because all these kids are also vaccinated So so oh, it's the vaccines that must be doing oh, it's the amount of vaccines. Oh, it's the additives in there So well, and it's I mean it's big business. Yeah, it's big business That's the thing to pump the that out and get it in wall greens and you know everybody's getting in on that This was a heavy topic on our forum. Just not that I know people were debating. That's a surprise you wanted to go It's a ton of you know a lot of comments for this one. You know, it's a tough one, just because I think that's the right answer though. Being a guy that doesn't have any kids, so I feel like I have no real say in this, because

I feel like you first have to have kids first. I feel like that. You have to know what that feels like as a parent and have to think about that choice because it's not your life. Like I could talk about, I don't do the flu shot. I've never done the flu shot. So I choose not to. Now, just for my own personal reason,

if I had a child, I might do a little bit more research. Like you guys probably have in that arena to know that, yeah, this is something I'm not gonna think about this one or maybe I'll do that one on this one, but not that one. I'm gonna have to think about that. Well, the whole argument is if everybody's vaccine, there's more herd immunity and it reduces the rate of infection for everybody because sometimes vaccines

don't work. They don't always work on everybody. So you can get vaccine for something. Well, not even just a new strain. Maybe your immune system didn't fully react to it. So you may be vaccinated against the measles, but for whatever reason, you may actually get it. Maybe you get your booster, maybe your immune system to react to it. So you may be vaccinated against the measles, but for whatever reason, you may actually get it. Maybe to get your booster, maybe your immune system

to take to whatever. So they say it's better for everyone to be vaccinated, but I tell you what, man, there's two sides of this. Number one, you've got the people who say refuse vaccines, but then they get pissed off and sue schools and stuff like that for not taking their kids in. You can't have a both ways.

Like, you have a right to not vaccinate your kid and they have a right to tell you to fuck off. It's a private business. Like, you can't have both, right? So both of you guys have your rights. And number two, as far as the, you know, forcing, allowing the government, by the way, the government has force.

They can throw people in jail. They can, they're the only legal entity that can kill you if they wanted to, if they had to, if they thought they had a reason, they can do all these things. Giving them the power to force us to do anything is very dangerous and you're crossing a line. Already they can steal, they can already steal your money through taxes, which is force, right, you don't pay your taxes, you go to jail, but we've all accepted that. But right now, government can't force you to eat a certain way or live a certain

way. But the second we cross that line now, where they- Where is this? Where they can start giving you shit and doing stuff to you? Yeah. You gotta be very careful because we don't always have the best politicians running shit. You get some crazy motherfucker running shit. You know, I don't trust him. Or we get in some cold war scenario like we were before,

where they're gonna, I mean during the cold war, the US government did a lot of crazy shit because they thought, it's either we do this crazy shit or we could have nuclear fallout, which kills everyone. So they made some crazy ass decisions. If we enter a situation like that, and we've already given them power to force stuff into us, you never know, they might force, you know,

in certain to vaccines that sterilize people, because they're like, oh, we need to control the population, but don't tell anybody. Like, oh my god. And people think that's crazy, but we've already done shit like that. You know what I'm saying? So I don't believe in forging any,

I don't believe in forcing anybody to do anything. When the fuck did we do that? We did that to people. There were experiments where we've injected people with things to see how they'd go. We relied on them, the government did that. We've sprayed poison into certain, you know, into, in the air in certain towns

to examine what would happen. And this was all during the whole. This sounds like Kim Trails talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, look up the Tuskegee. I hope I'm pronouncing it right. There we go. No, no, no, no, no, I hope I'm pronouncing it right. Doug, maybe you can pull it up on the screen. It's on Google. The speech room. No, no, the Tuskegee experiments, which the US government actually formally apologized for doing this, but where they actually took black prisoners and they injected them with syphilis to see what would happen in English. Yes.

Yes. T-U-S-K-G-E. I didn't get that email. Yeah. No, it's legit. Here it is. Tuskegee syphilis experiment. This was a study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the US Public Health Service.

So what is the study? Tell me, read it. Well, let me see. Just because you said that, you connected those, told me the study. So let's see. It was an infamous clinical study. The purpose of study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men

in Alabama. Oh, never mind, there weren't even prisoners. They were free men, but they told them they were giving them free healthcare and they give them syphilis. Oh, sure. Yep. Yep. This is a cure.

This is legit. So there's a couple things that we've done and under the you know to save that for the public good and This is not the only one by the way. There's some crazy shit that we've why don't we created lime disease right? I don't know. Yeah, not on the other. But anyway, yeah Kids come on man. I'm trying to feed you. You're a conspiracy Monday. There it is. I don't trust anybody to force me or anybody else to do anything. Well, I think that's something that we all agree on. I don't know if you want to call that our political stance.

I think that's one that we all are for sure on the same side that I don't think anything should be. No. That way. No. I think that's really silly. I think it'd be pretty amazing. And all the way to where the people make educated decisions about it. But yeah, you want them to have a free choice.

You got to keep a mind because people think, oh, because we're evil, right? Part of it, yeah, we made some evil decisions. But a lot of it is, imagine if you're like the CIA, right? Or the NSA, or these large government agencies that kind of are above the law a little bit, because they exist kind of behind the shadows, which is true, the CIA does a lot of shit that they don't necessarily need approval for and stuff. And you're looking at these existential threats, right?

So you're the CIA, you're trying to protect the US and you're like, okay, we may have this big breakout of this disease or oh shit, we're in the cold war. They're pointing a new set us, we need to come up with like strategies and they're gonna say, okay, well, we need to test this stuff. They'll never approve this test. Well, we know what we're going to do.

We're going to do it over here because it's for the greater good. Like, there's a lot like look up. Look up. We'll just kill this small country over here because nobody knows about that. Look up. This is another, here's another true real one that they, the Freedom of Information Act, you know, got all this stuff revealed. Operation Northwoods, have you guys ever read about that?

No, but I did just read about some other crazy shit that was happening out in the ocean. This was not that long ago. I don't know. They were blowing shit up, they caught it on the, they caught it. Yeah, there's some crazy. So, I'm not here to say.

So, I'll, here we go, as you look it up, Operation Northwoods, which is real, and it was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This was under President Kennedy, I believe, was to conduct, this was a plan to conduct a fake terrorist attack in Miami. So the US government would do a terrorist attack in Miami and blame Cuban rebels or whatever, or Cubans because, of course, remember, we remember the Cuban missile crisis on it. Blame them so that the US public would

support an invasion of Cuba. The only reason why this didn't get go through is because the president refused to side on it. But it was like went up all the way up the chain, a command and he said no, but it was a real thing. Trip off that shit. That's crazy. That is crazy. So you want them to force shit on us? Nothing. Now that I've thoroughly freaked you out or pissed you off.

Yeah, or both. Or probably both. Well we're all saved because Donald Trump's president. Yes, we're fine. Now that I've thoroughly freaked you out or pissed you off or both or probably both. Well, we're all saved because Donald Trump's pretty. Yes, we're fine. Yeah, exactly. We're just fine. On your way out, make sure to leave a five star review.

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