Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 516: Healthy Bodybuilding Meal Plans, Soylent Meal Replacement, Getting Enough Calories When Intermittent Fasting & MORE

Episode Date: May 27, 2017

Kimera-Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Kimera Koffee (kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about eating the exact same healthy bodybuilding meal plan every day over the course of a year, Soylent and drinking all of your food, getting enough calories in when you are intermittent fasting and if they were to split up and start their own podcasts. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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We talk about why what our take is on eating the exact same food all the time for an entire year, your typical classic bodybuilding diet. We also talk about soy lint, both the food drink and the movie, soy lint green. All you old people know what I'm talking about. Go Google it. We also talk about intermittent fasting and why it's hard to get enough calories when you're in fasting. And is it a good idea to use fasting

to gain weight or lose weight? Lastly, we talk about mind pump breaking up. Don't freak out. It's all hypothetical. But what would we do if we left mind pump and started our own episodes? All those topics kick in right after about 25 minutes. So the first bit of topics where we're not talking

about any questions and we're just getting into the PRs and ego waffles is the first 25 minutes, those that want to get right to the nuts and bolts, you can fast forward to 25 minutes in. And during this hour, we actually talk a lot about nutrition, a lot about fasting, I think they came up a ton. We have a nutrition and fasting bundle on our website.

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and it's full of all kinds of information. In addition to that, we're also revising that. So if you purchase it now, anything that we add to any of those guides, you get absolutely free. You can get all that at mindpunkmedia.com. I wonder how much I wonder how much I'm not that much right now. Or ever. I'm wondering, uh, I used to bench a lot, dude. Really? Yeah, my top, my top, uh, bench ever. What did I do? The most I've ever benched was 365.

Oh, that's good. And that was at a body weight of 2.25, I believe. That's the most I've ever benched. I'm trying to adjust and you hit 405 once, right? I did. I've never hit four plates. What's the most you've ever benched, Crest Adam? Probably 350 actually. I don't think I've done more than 350.

Yeah, but I've also done that on Incline too. You did 350 on Incline? Yes. That's not that much. So I don't know a lot of people that I, like I went on a mission like the last couple, when I was competing, I was really working on building my upper chest, and so I totally neglected flat bench because that's all I did for years.

And I stayed away from it, incline because my incline was significantly weak. Oh yeah, I got to that point for sure. And so then I flipped it on a 10, and I was like, I'm just gonna, I'm not gonna have flat bench ever, if anything I I did it with dumbbells and then I would always incline press

and I caught my incline press up to my flat bench press. So I didn't really, I don't know who knows where, if I could have progressed my flat a little bit further. I really think just recently have I honed in on my bench press technique. For years, I was body builder bench press. So you elbows out bench? Yeah, flaring them out, catching at 90 degrees,

real controlled, four second naked. So one thing that I could do, like even though I wasn't the strongest bench presser, is I could control a heavy amount of weight. I didn't power, I never won, won, won. Like I didn't start doing like power type lifts until I got with you guys. I never did one one one anything.

Everything I did was hypertrophy type based training. So I could get under with 275, 315 and control it. Really, really slow and control where when I'd work out with other guys that were maybe stronger than me, but they would have to boom, like, you know, power lifted up like that. So I didn't have to. Well, a typical. So when I did 365, it was, it wasn't, well, I guess it was a long time ago. It's so funny. When you, the older you get the more distorted, your, your idea of time going, yeah, I was like, oh, just like last year. That was, I'm thinking about my

job was like 15 years. Yeah, like 10 or 12 years ago. So when I did 365, I actually did a pause. I did one and a half second pause at the chest because I actually thought for a second I'd compete in powerlifting. Oh really? Mm-hmm. Only because my deadlift, I have had exceptional deadlift and so I thought, oh, I'm gonna compete

and then I realized that I'd lose it everything else. So, but this is exciting. This is a fun conversation. What are your, and you gotta be totally honest, no lying here, everybody pinky swear. Whoa. What are your top, like real lifts, like not like with good form,

and that would probably qualify as like a good, like what's your best ever bench press, deadlift, squat, overhead press, front squat, or whatever else you want to say that's impressive. I've impressed me. I've benched on any client and flat, 350. That's pretty damn good. I have deadlifted, 555.

I have squatted, 405, and I have overhead pressed. I think I haven't done, back when I used 405 and I have overhead pressed. I think I haven't done, back when I used a body builder overhead press, which I saw, I don't really count that anymore with the 90, I was doing over 225. Wow, seated. Yeah, but that was just down to like 90 degrees. Yeah, so like I don't really count that right. So a full overhead press now, I'm like more like 185

has been like a tough controlled full range of motion standing press. So those are probably my big ones. I struggled for a very long time squatting. So that was a big thing for me was to get over 400 pounds squatting and with the type of depth that I'm getting now. So I've made leaps and bounds with that. I came right out the gates, deadlifting pretty well.

Like it's, it definitely feeds it. Easy for you. Yeah, it did a long arm. Yeah, I think like the, I mean, the right when I really started getting a deadlifting, I shot up to 400 pounds real quick. Yeah, real quick, I shot up to 400 pounds. And then from there it was like, you know,

building up to over 500 than 550. So that one, that lift definitely bodes well for my body type. What about you, Justin? I know you benched 405. Bench 405. And that was in college both. And then I want to say maybe five years ago, and I was on this like kick of just like benching and getting that back in the routine It took me like a year to ramp up to that But yeah, I kind of go in phases with benching But like squatting wise I'm trying to remember I think I don't think I hit the five bill mark

I think I came just under that, like 475 range being a little bit higher than that. But I never dead lifted. So that's my weakest lift for sure. Like I just literally started doing that. I wanna say maybe like five, six years ago. So the most I ever, I ever do, that's probably like for 55 something like that

um And you have a big overhead press overhead press I can do you're really strong over. Yeah, that's one of my strongest lifts probably What was your best? 275 holy shit. Yeah push press push press fuck That's a lot dude the 275 push press and your kettlebell your one arm kettlebell press is pretty you did the one one twenty three one twenty three Yeah, so was that 16 kilograms. Yeah, that's great. So I did so three I'm almost positive three sixty five or three fifty five bench now here's a shitty thing about Bench press I chased that for a long time

because that was like the lift, right? Like how much can you bench? And because of that, I my AC joint on my left shoulder ended up becoming fucked because I just I don't understand really training those imbalances or whatever as well as I do now. I had to get AC joint surgery and I can never I never go above 225 now because I just don't have the stability in my left shoulder no matter what I do. But I did that, I did, my overhead push press, the most ever done is 225. Deadlift that I've pulled 600 pounds,

but I also weighed 220 something, so I was really heavy. What would be an impressive, oh, rows. I can, if I really push Rose and I eat a lot, I can roll like a fucking horse. And I've actually done sets with 315 for good reps with Rose. Overhead press was always one of my more hard, my harder lifts.

And if you look at my thoracic curve, I have like a little bit of an excessive thoracic curve, like a little rounding. And it makes it hard, like the overhead press part makes it hard, so I lose a lot of strength there when I go overhead. But you know where I used to fuck everyone up, this is the crazy thing. If I worked out with someone and I wanted to be an asshole, and like, you know, just, you know, cock strong ego or whatever, I would always do a reverse curl, because I could reverse curl more

I just just dominate people's really really weird. I was I was at one point a weird left to go heavy with it's weird right? Is that weird? But for whatever reason I was I got a nasty reverse curl that I was I did bicep and tricep fucking four days a week for ten years. I was, I did bicep in tricep, fucking four days a week for 10 years. That makes sense. I was a monster at bicep curls. I don't even, I didn't even drop that because it wasn't something I was, you know, back then I thought it was cool. And now it's, it's kind of an off lift.

Yeah. Dude, I used to, I concentration curls controlled for reps for a day. I could curl 50 pound dumbbells like crazy. That is one of the most dramatic differences now. So crazy, all these numbers were talking. Those are all numbers I've hit in the last year to two years. So I'm at the strongest I've ever been in my life right now at 35 years old, which is something

I'm most proud of because in the past, I trained so much for high-perturacy that I didn't have any really strong numbers with my big lifts. I never did a lift less than five to eight reps. And it was rare that I went that low. I was typically in the eight to fifteen rep range with super sets and triceps. Like, I was Mr. Pump. And that was how I trained my body and just recently have I got into heavy lifting. If there was anything I lifted really heavy, it was like biceps.

Like I curled like crazy. See, I've lost a bit of power and I kind of know that because I used to actually do a lot of having a hold. Yeah. Like, cleans and cleaning jerks. And like that was, I was pretty strong and clean and jerk. At one point, I did a clean for like 315. I did a clean and jerk for 275, but yeah, like that's something that it's so technical. And like it's such a skill that like I was doing that consistently for like five years,

you know, just like just repetitious with those specific lifts. And I used to have this ability to just if I wanted to just bulk up and I would do this, right? I'd get my body weight up to 220 to 230, all like all the time, uh, and get real strong while doing it. And a lot of it wasn't muscle. I just got real big. And you know, God forbid, I know there's pictures floating around there on the internet. And if someone finds one, I'm fucked. This can be a meme. I will probably promise you. Because during these periods of forbid, I know there's pictures floating around there in the internet and if someone finds one, I'm fucked. This can be a meme, I'll call my rival, I promise you. Because during these periods of time, I also would have long hair. So I literally look like, and my hair gets kind of wavy and curly a little bit. So I look like...

Just a beefy wrestler. I look like a, like an eight-night... I need like, I need to, like, I'm driving an eye rock, and I come out with my fucking hair. Bread heart. Yeah, like, I just look ridiculous. A lot of Yeah, like, that's awesome. I just look ridiculous. A lot of stuff, like a lot of awesomeness to me. No, and you know it's crazy. I don't think I could bulk up now if I wanted to like that.

I don't think I could handle the amount of food that I ate to do that. I'm pretty sure that played a role in my gut problems. It's not, is, you know what? It's, the grass is always green on the other side, right? So bulking is really difficult when you have a body type like mine or yours and just like it is for somebody. Oh, I forced it.

Yeah, it was for me to... What would you be? I mean, I'm kind of in the same... I know you guys have always said that and like it's been hard, but like, I mean, there's been a point where I was having to bulk up for because they moved me to inside linebacker and I went from outside linebacker

and it was like, dude, shovel in food constantly and just, you get to that point where you know that like you just lose balance athleticism. It's just become a big piece of me juggernaut of meat, you know. How much, what's the heaviest you guys have ever been? Because I've been surprised you guys to 45. Wow. Yeah, I've been 240 and the more I mean naked in the morning nothing in my system 235 I got to I got up to 240 and I was a fucking

like I was a horse and My staff as I was when I managed to Santa Teresa, and my staff would joke with me because if I got on a stationary bike or something for like five minutes, I was exhausted. That's just this big walking glob of whatever. It'd be amazing to see what I would build if I actually went aggressively like that again

because I was 240 and all upper body. My legs were nowhere the size that they are now. Like, I carry it. My weight stays pretty consistent between 210 and 220, and that's definitely because of my lower, my lower development is like way more than I use. I used to, if I was off the diet or off of bulking, I would drop down to like 181, 90 real quick,

because I would just do it in a way. And my upper body right now is the smallest it's ever been. There's difference. Mine stayed on for a long time. I could get it off to you. That was so hard to get back down to reasonable weight again. Oh my god, it ticked me like a year and a half. I had to push it so hard that all I had to do was stop pushing it and I dropped 20 pounds. But I can tell you, I could tell you like, like what a day would look like with nutrition.

This is, and I'm not exaggerating. I would, I remember. I would wake up in the morning, and I'm not bullshitting you. I'd wake up in the morning and I'd have, I'd get a punch bowl and I'd eat a fucking, pretty much a half a box of Cheerios with whole milk. I'd have 10 whole eggs with cheese and I'd have

a banana. That was my breakfast. For the rest of the day, I would split up about three cups of white rice in two pounds of ground beef. That's what I'd eat throughout the day. Then I'd come home for dinner and it would be another pound of meat and bowl of pasta. And so I mean, I was consuming such a tremendous amount of calories. I remember like I'd be in between clients. Like I'd be training client and we finished like 10 minutes early, so I had 10 minutes to eat. And I'd go in the back and I'd have a bowl of white rice

with about a pound of ground beef in it. And then I'd take sauce that I'd buy at the store and I'd pour it on there so that it had some kind of viscosity so I could swallow it. Otherwise it'd be, try to swallow it. And I just, oh my God. And then I'd go train my client. The rule of existence was to just shovel food.

But it was, I was eating for five of these things a day. I can't imagine because it for you It had to been really similar to what I realized was so I struggled with gaining forever And I just thought it was just gonna be impossible never be this big massive guys And when I remember we I got a dick Where'd you find that online? Oh? Oh, I think online you know, it's funny. That's not a 230 picture.

Trust me. You look powerful, bro. If you saw a 230 picture, you guys would make fun of me forever. So do you remember, like, I actually, so I've been somebody who tracked for a very long time when I got the body bug and I started learning like how much my body was burning.

And I was training like 10, 12 plants a day plus I'm training every single day like super intense. So I was fucking burning like 5,000 plus calories a day. Just walking the floor, picking up weights, moving on like all day. So that was, so in order for me to build, I needed to be eating at least that if not as, so I had, I would go on these,

I would go for two weeks like really good. And then all it would take is one week of just being not You know intuitively eating or eating mindlessly and I would just drop ten pounds like right away because my metabolism was so fast And I was moving so much that I couldn't put this on so the only way I got beyond this was this and it was God I think back how bad this was this is this is true story right here like this is how I got to 240 was I'd start every almost every day like this. I ate Aigo Waffles, so I'd have, I'd have four Aigo Waffles,

and I'd put peanut butter all over them and then drench them in syrup and drink up glass of whole milk. That would get, that would be like on my way to work. So on my way to 24. So then I get to 24. For I suck a peanut butter and waffle. As soon as I ride to 24, I finish.

So these meals are only about 15 minutes apart. So I do that. Then I go, I'd walk right across the street where we had this little donut shop. And I would get two. I'm gonna tell you about the sanctuary, sir. I would get two of these ham, egg, and cheese bagels. Oh my god, I remember those.

One glaze donut and a rock star, a regular rock star. And that's what I would start like my morning with. Then my prepared meals, because then I would always come to work with my chicken and rice, kind of like how you do with your beef and rice. And those would be spread out throughout the day, every two hours.

And then at lunchtime, post workout, I would go get a foot long or two sometimes from togos, quiz, nose, or whatever. And then after that meal, two or three hours later, I'm having my chicken and rice meals. And then at the very end of the day, I would drive and I'd stop by McDonald's and I would get a number one plus a big Mac plus 20 piece McNuggets to finish my night off. And that would keep me at about a 6,000, 6,000 to 7,000 calorie intake on a daily basis to keep me in that surplus of like, now what about shakes? So shakes to me. I shake, throw them in that right? Yeah,

shakes would be in there. I used to eat meals. My go to, man. I used to eat meals and my drink with my meal would be a shake was Was a fucking shake. And that's so gross. That's how I use shakes. So shakes for me would be at the end of the night, more often than not, and it would be to get that extra. But I'd have that my team. I'd have it first thing in the morning before I did the 6A and workout, and so I would add my weight gain

or 3,000, 5,000, what the fuck it was. And then put in my creatine and then double up on, like raw eggs and putting in there and putting in, it was just this cocktail of, you're gonna have horrific farts and shits all day. Dude, I would say a class and that was the start. And then I would eat breakfast after I've done working out and then after that, it'd be a blast.

I'd have, you know. After I eat, all of the, I didn't even talk about the shakes. After I eat all this food, like Adam, and by the way, I'd have a post-workout protein shake, always, regardless of what my diet was, right? Then, at the end of the day, now I've had all my meals,

and I'm literally, at the end of the day, every night, I was going to bed like, oh my God, I can't, read like stuff, right? Yeah. No, it's shake time, dude It's not the shake time. Yeah, I would fuck it up buttercup bro. I would buy Either mega mass 3,000 because fuck mega mass 2,000. I'm going for 3,000 You gotta get all of it, which by the way I've figured this out later on mega mass 3, 3000 was the same thing as Megamast 2000. The difference is it's a bigger serving size. That's it.

But I don't know any better on my grow. This has got more calories. I'd buy Megamast 3000 vanilla, because that's what I was my flavor. And I get whole milk, I'd put two bananas, probably three tablespoons of peanut butter. I'd throw in a couple of eggs, and then I'd put in, and if you remember that, the shakes, they came in what looked like a paint bucket.

Yeah, literally, literally it was a bucket with the same top that you, you know, you open a paint bucket and you got to kind of get underneath it with your nails and, right, and this demons come out and it was a massive it was a massive eight pound bucket of powder but that eight pound bucket of powder had a grand total of 10 servings in there because a serving was like three scoops but it wasn't a scoop the scoop was the size of a shovel like I don't know how to explain it a scoop. The scoop was the size of a shovel. Like, I don't know how to explain it.

A normal protein powder scoop, it would take you four or five to fill up one of these, right? And it was two or three of these scoops. And by the way, most of the... That's all it really is. Most giant, giant fucking serving size of protein. No, it's not because the protein was always around 50 grams from the actual powder,

because I had a bunch more for the milk. I never paid attention to that. This was like. But what it was was another 100 something caliber, 100 or 200 grams of carbs in the form of maltodextrin. So that's all it was, was a protein shake with a shit ton of maltodextrin because remember back then fat was bad.

So there's no fat and it was all carbs and protein. So I take the scoop and I throw it in the blender and I'm not lying, I got so much in trouble with my mom and then later on my wife who'd see a pissed off because I broke blenders because I put these scoops in there with the milk and they've been a lot of stuff and I turn it on and then the sound that the blender would make would be and you know how you see a shake and it spins real fast? No, no, no. This was a slow shake with a very like if you looked at the top of it, all you saw was a little bit of a spiral going down

because it looked like I was making cement. It was like, bo. The Vitamix, the Vitamix and Ninja came out. It was like fucking game-chasing over. And so I'll sit there and I drink it and then take breaks in between, like go, I'd put it down and it's like so thick. Bro, I'd breathe.

Like, yeah. And the challenge was to not throw up. It's just like oil. How fucked up is that? That was the challenge. I actually still struggled, even with all this crap for talking about, was still with putting weight on,

that I actually bought a, and we have it, actually, that's the same fridge right there. That fridge has been with me for a long time. That's your shake fridge? It was and I had, I used to buy my oplex ready to drink shakes and and muscle milks and I used to keep them next to my bed and then I'd set my alarm.

Oh fuck you I did the same thing. At like three o'clock in the morning. My alarm would go off, I would, with my eyes closed, literally just roll over, open the fridge, pound the shake, put it back down, roll, go back to sleep. I never were reading what the guy, like, what's his name? Hugh Jackman that was playing Wolverine. Like, that was his thing.

Like, he had to wake himself up and have like shakes and all that. Stupid. You know what the irony of all that is? The irony is, sleep is one of the best things you could do to build muscle. So you're interrupting your sleep to drink some bullshit. Well, one thing that I can say to it as far as, because I got big, there's no doubt in it. I got big from it.

What I think is best about all of that was, or the takeaway for me was the regimen. Like having a detailed regimen that I would follow, and I took a lot of that and applied it to when I got into competing. Now when I got into competing, I was far more educated and experienced. And so I didn't do any of that type of stuff to get rid of, which is funny, right? So the best aesthetic shape I've ever been in my life

had nothing to do with any of that. Well, no, because that stuff just makes you big, bloated, and fat, and sloppy looking. Which is what I feel like a lot of guys look like inside the gym that are trying to build and feel like they're just puffy. You know, they're all puffy because they're trying some antibiotics. They're taking tons of shit and they just put on some mass and size, most of its water

and shit. So, but what it did teach me was this, like, this, I need to be structured and, you know, measuring, weighing, doing all that. That is what, because otherwise, I always underestimated the amount of activity I was doing, and I always overestimated the amount of nutrients that I was getting, which is still applies to today. And I just recently discussed this that, you know, we talk openly about, you know, the anti, you know,

supplement industry and how much they push protein on everybody because bodybuilders now are taking two, three grams per body weight, which is just ridiculous. But for a guy like me, who naturally gravitates the carbohydrates or naturally just doesn't eat, like I can go for hours and not consume a meal. And then it's five o'clock and I'm at a total of 600 calories for the day. And a guy, my size, needs to eat four or five thousand calories to keep building.

That's just not happening. So I would have to put in this structure in place in order to continue to build and get all the nutrients that I need. So I do understand where some of these young guys that are trying to build mass or build, and young girls same thing too, and they struggle with putting mass on because they're not eating enough and they need to put some sort of structure. And the first thing I always tell people, this is where the tracking did wonders for me.

Having a tool like a Fitbit or a Body Bug or whatever fucking tool you like, that's as long as it's pretty accurate. And tracking how much you're actually burning, how much you're actually consuming and then structuring your day around that to make sure you're getting the vital nutrients that your body needs to build, you know. Excellent. Bird.

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Huh. Is it bad to eat the exact same healthy body building meal plan every day over the course of a year? I'm not hearing you the first question here. Ugh. Uh, healthy. Yeah, first of all, it's not healthy. So even if you eat a great diet, even if you map out and you're like,

these are the perfect foods, macro nutrients, calories, vegetables, whatever, for the day. So now I'm gonna eat them the exact same portions and foods every single day for every single meal, which is what old school bodybuilders used to do. And I do that for a year. That should be excellent, right? Wrong.

Here's some det- Now here's some positives to that. The positives are you're going to eat the right amount of calories and macronutrients. The negatives are eating the same exact foods all the time is getting malnourished. You can create some serious food intolerances. If you have any type of inflammation in your gut, you are going to, very likely to produce antibodies to the foods that you consume all the time

and become intolerant to them. I've had many clients who I've worked with, who we've identified food intolerances for them, and they're like, but I always eat that food. I have an intolerance to bananas. I always eat bananas. That's probably why you have an intolerance. You gotta keep in mind that the body,

the human body evolved eating what was around, which meant you followed the seasons and you followed the terrain and the animals around you. We didn't understand farming until, I mean, from an evolutionary standpoint, relatively recently, and with farming, the invention of farming, our food choices became very, very, very narrow.

And to this day, they still are very narrow. The major crops and foods that we grow today are limited to a few things like soy, corn, wheat, you know, that's pretty much it, right? But it wasn't like that for mostly human civilizations, so the body kind of thrives on variety. So aside from having the right macros and calories, you want to give yourself variety. Now, that's not to mention all these micronutrients and these phytonutrients and compounds that are found in foods that you don't get in other foods. For example, when you eat foods that, this is the UE vegetables that are purple, there's

certain phytonutrients that give it that purple color that you'll only get from purple vegetables that you won't get from orange or yellow or green vegetables. They have other benefits, so variety is incredible. And I've seen lots of people mess themselves up by not to mention the mental fuck. Why don't we talk about that? Well, first I'm gonna play devil's advocate a little bit here because you gotta also take it into

what about the person who, you know, and I was an example of this, was eating Taco Bell at certain time, and then I was eating egg oafles and drinking rock stars and days would go by and I would miss vegetables. Like this was a very normal eating pattern for me. And then all of a sudden I decided I'm gonna get on this healthy body building meal plan where I'm having tilapia asparagus or whatever

Who is doing more harm to their body? If we're if we're doing a versus you know, yeah think about that and now well, that's easy It's an easy answer, but in the in the let me tell you what the problem with that is the problem with that question That question is always or that statement is always what's used to defend something. So I'll give you an example of how that may be used in other aspects of life. So like if I, if smoking cigarettes, let's say I smoke five cigarettes a day and someone's like, Hey man, you can you just stop smoking five cigarettes a day and I'm like, wow, I used to smoke a pack of days. So it's way better now, I'm managing it.

And that's not the point, right? Definitely eating, I was doing heroin. Yeah, definitely eating the regimen and diet, probably gonna be better for you over the course of a year than eating a shitty diet over consuming calories and all that other stuff. But the question isn't, you know, what's better? The question really is, is it a great deal?

Yeah, but I think that's important to make that clear because when we come out and say that, you know, what's better? The question really is, is it a great goal? Yeah, but I think that's important to make that clear because when we come out and say that, you know, eating a healthy bodybuilding meal plan is not ideal, is not healthy for you, could have all these issues with your gut, so on and so forth, which you mentioned, then does that deter the kid or someone who was considering doing that,

who has no structure right now, and is eating Taco Bell, egg o' waffles, and drinking rock stars. Well, that's one, yeah, that's one point. I think the other point is just like ease, you know, ease of the mental piece to it. Like, so if I can stick within a regiment that's not, you know, full of variety,

and I have to think about my next move as much. I know like in the competing world, right? you can voice in Adam of course with this, where it gets to the point where, I mean, you, you're basically like, you have this mental fog about you going throughout, you know, the process, the more intense it gets, you know, towards the end and restrictive. So, you know, I feel like some of that has to do with the fact that they just want to have it in a little box. It has to have your macros or this, this, and this,

and it's consistent, and that's what I'm putting in and done. I'm done. I don't have to think anymore. Yeah, I think they're steps. They're steps towards a healthier lifestyle. And if you're at the step where you're eating just haphazardly, you don't know what's in food. A lot of people are like that, right? They have no idea really not really aware what's in food.

They're eating kind of crappy, like you're saying Adam eating the Taco Bell and they go waffles and all that stuff. The next step that I would coach someone on and just usually how I coach people is, I start by making them track and being on a more regimented schedule. That's the next step. It's better than what they were doing before

and they get to understand what's in food and control it and it becomes conscious. They're consciously aware of what's going on. But the step after that would be a move away from that because if you stay in that, let's talk about the mental piece. Could you imagine the problem? There's no doubt that it's not creating

a healthy relationship with food because then you'll forever, and this is what's so apparent in the bodybuilding world is that all these athletes that get into this 2% and have the most, they're in the most amazing shape of their lives. Forever, and what they did to get there is a not a realistic lifestyle that they can live forever. They had to, you know, always associate that process with that. So that's a big formula. Exactly. So that creates a very poor connection to food and exercise and training and dieting with that, oh, if I ever want to get in shape, I got to do this, which leads later on to

this yo-yo, no different than the super obese person. You just happen to yo-yo back and forth between 20% and 5%, 5% where you binge after you get off of dieting this certain way, you let yourself go so far, then you go like, oh my God, I'm getting fat. Now I need to get back to my Tupperware meals where I need asparagus and broccoli. You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. So it lean on it. No doubt, it is, it's not that far different, though, to me than the IFYM thing is, and I'm like, it has more flexibility. Yeah, I'm looking at this question, I'm wondering, what would I rather take on as a client? Would I rather get somebody who came to me

and they were the healthy body building clean eaters and that's all the way, that's how they eat than they've been that way for a long time, or the IFYM person, and who would I rather take on, and who am I going to need to put the most amount of work? There's going to have a better transition. Yes. And that's a very...

That's a tough one. I think I would almost say IIF-YM is a half a step ahead of the eat the same food all the time. Possibly. It's like a progression. I'll tell you what. I don't know either, because... I don't know either, because I think that I...

They're making priority for the junk to repeat its way into, you know, cycle. But at least they understand a little bit of flex. I don't know, it's tough because taking someone from knowing nothing about food and teaching them had a track and eat certain foods and having structure, believe it or not, I found it easier. That's an easier step to take than taking someone about food and teaching them how to track and eat certain foods and having structure, believe or not, I found it easier. That's an easier step to take than taking someone who tracks

everything and has it all ironed out, whatever, from there to intuitive. That's a fucking hard step. That's what I'm working a lot with right now with some of the online people that I work with is now I've got to take you from this tracking to, and there's a bunch of steps that I've designed in between to get them to that intuitive eating you know part But it's a hard it's a hard to say here's the other thing you here's what you want to consider to like the body We've said this a million times on mine pump is an adaptation machine your ability to adapt your body's ability to adapt really is closely tied to your overall health and longevity. And here's the connection to that.

If I eat a keto diet all the time, okay? And they do a gut test on me and they test my microbiome, okay? My microbiota. What they're gonna find is the majority of the bacteria that they're gonna find in my gut is there to break down fats. And I'm gonna have very little bacteria

that's there to break down starches and carbohydrates. So you become less efficient in that? I become very, my body has become so efficient and adapted to the keto diet that I've lost a lot of that variability With my with my microbiome and this is a fact by the way that you will you'll see this and people who eat a particular way all the time Now is that good? Well, no it's it's no different than anything else that you do with your body where you you Prevent your you almost take away your body's ability to adapt to things because if you take someone who's eaten keto for years and were super strict on it, give them a high carb meal, healthy carbs, give them a high, you know, give them a

bunch of sweet potatoes, rice, whatever, they're going to have really bad good issues. Yeah. Right away, they've lost their, their ability to adapt to those foods. In fact, I've had to tell people to slowly introduce certain things so that they can build up other bacteria and their gut and get their body's ability to digest and break things down. So eating the same exact foods is really no different.

And this is why I try to do variety all the time where I do my vegan days and I'll have days where I eat more carbohydrates. And I do tend to trend more toward the higher fat days because on the other levels, you know, the other things in terms of my mind and all that, this inflammation, I just feel better on those. But you don't want your body to lose its ability to adapt to different foods. So there's a lot of reasons why it's not a good idea to be super stressed. I think we all agree that it's not healthy. In fact, I know that I, if I am, actually was created as the counter culture to the crazy,

healthy bodybuilding eat the same thing over every single day. I don't think that you're going to see a person who was eating shitty, terrible food if all of a sudden decide, hey, I'm gonna start eating this way, super strict. In fact, there's probably a lot of health benefits to that person that's gonna see better and better markers at the beginning initially. But, no, if you do that, then you gotta know that eventually

you wanna transition away from that into where you're rotating your foods. I think that we're all in agreeance with that, right? Yeah, and I think it's the mindset of like seeking out foods that are gonna benefit my body's health and well-being. Like that's, I mean, that's such a, it sounds like vague, you know,

to a lot of people that need structure and they need something that's like easy and repetitive. But in that changes, what food does change? That's the thing. You have to cycle it in and out. You know, again, we've had so many questions, and sooner or later I'm gonna get motivated. And I've said this before, I'm gonna say it again,

because maybe if I get enough people pushing me to do it, I would love to do this with you guys. I've always wanted to create a diet that flips dieting on its head. It's the opposite of dieting. In fact, it is a diet design towards going after food. If you were to look at all the types of foods that have all these great health, rather than saying don't eat this. Yes, aim for this many in the week. Aim that have all these great health. Rather than saying, don't eat this. But aim for this. Aim for this many in the week.

Aim for this many in the week. I've skipped, you know, because I haven't eaten this in the diet. I gotta go seek that next year. Yeah, and I bet if you, the maps you've anti-diet. If you flip the diet protocol on a TED, instead of trying to restrict from certain things and instead of looking at it like that,

there's a ton of things that your body gets a ton of nutrients from. And can you go after that and then giving people guidelines of how much you're trying to get at least that in there. I bet you most people will struggle with getting all those things in their diet on a weekly basis. That would be a very interesting experience. Actually, that's, I think, is brilliant because if you give, and if you make a little rule and they're like,

hey, whatever you want, we don't care. So long as you hit these things that you're supposed to chase, you're probably gonna be pretty shaded. Macro and micronutrient. You'll probably be satiated and satisfied and less likely to overeat anyway, right? I think it'd be cool. All right, our next question is from primal holistic fitness.

Again, the opposite, right? Yeah. What is your take on soilent and drinking all of your food? You know what this question reminds me of? Keep up. Remember in the Matrix when, what's his name? Agent, fuck his name. Oh yeah.

Not Neo, but age. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. God, I can't remember. I can't believe I forgot. Anyway, Smith. Smith. I forgot. Anyway, Smith. Smith, okay. He's the Smith. Yeah, he's telling him how the computers

or the artificial intelligence created the first matrix, and it was perfect. It gave you everything you wanted. It was a utopia, but it crashed because the human mind- Nobody believed in it. Couldn't accept it. And what's fascinating about that statement is that

Imagine it's kind of true, right? Imagine if you lived in a Prison a jail. You're not allowed to leave You can't do anything, you know, but you have all the food You know perfect food you have you know the sleep or whatever Here you go. You're in here. We control everything, but it's everything that you need. How happy would you be? Right. You'd be miserable.

And that's the psychological aspect of soil int and drinking all your food. I think, and there's a health aspect and a physiological one that we'll get into. But I think from a psychological standpoint, it's never worked. Liquid food has been around forever. And it's from a psychological standpoint, it's never worked. Liquid food has been around forever.

And it's from a psychological standpoint, I can see how some people are drawn to it. People who are like, I don't wanna worry about food, I just want you to tell me what to eat. Exactly. But you and can't live that way. The appeal of it really was for programmers and developers for them, so they didn't have to leave

their desk to go to lunch. It's, this became like a competitive thing, like who could marr-der themselves, you know, and like finish these projects, you know, in a more timely manner. And this is just like, I mean, the Silicon Valley's gone through a lot of different waves, but this is definitely one of those things that kind of took popularity because it's very competitive, you know, it's competitive to keep your job

and this became kind of a movement where, well, I could just get all the nutrients I need. You know, right here at my desk and have it like, boom, I just ate everything I needed right then. It's five minutes, whatever. I'm back to productivity. So. Now, is it a toilet like a,

it's a take on the movie,ilin green. It must be right Yeah, and for those use it's an old movie. It's made of people There's caution there. You just you know, you just gave away the end of the movie. Damn it. It's a sci-fi movie You should watch it. I don't know why you name your company soilin. I know movie. I have no idea. Yeah, Charleston has to roll rolls his eyes But you know, from a physiological standpoint, there's certain enzymes that you're going to have to have a greater website is. Oh, literally, it's, it says on the website, eating is easy,

engineered nutrition, you know, freeze up your time as if eating was this horrible. Such a hassle. Yes, such as paying the ass, food 2.0, it's completely advertised towards How do you hang out with people and you eliminate food? Yeah, but Well this it feeds into the the gaming culture too, right? Exactly isn't it big with that like I'm sure like your mouth Definitely yes exactly. So I you game away for 15 hours now from a physiological standpoint Look, there's certain enzymes your body You know has it uses break break's certain enzymes that your body has

that uses break down certain foods that it replenishes and it becomes, it can deplete. There's certain micronutrients and phytonutrients and things in food that I guarantee you are not in this. There's things in food we haven't even identified. There's combinations of things in food that we don't know how to interact with the human body. You need to understand just how complex the process of eating food and assimilating food

is, and we still know, there's still a lot we don't know about it. So there is no, who knows, maybe in the future when artificial intelligence becomes so hyper intelligent that it could literally design food for us, but we're nowhere near that. So there's a lot of things you're not getting. Well, it's just the whole process of chewing. And you know what I mean? Like digesting, like the whole,

like in a slow enough fashion, well chewing process and being as bothered the digesting process. That's part of the digest. So you're skipping a part of that process. Skipping it. You're just accelerating it right to like hoping that you're just gonna absorb this, you know?

And I just, I mean, have you guys seen the movie Wally? Yeah, exactly. Come on. Like, what motivation? I don't know, food is so ingrained in movement too. I mean, it's, there's a whole process to that that we're just gonna like cut this off and just drink.

Like, I just see red flags. And I tell you this right now, I'll bet all the money in the world, the vast majority, vast majority of people who are committed to just having swollen every day, the vast majority of some point are gonna go off of it and they are going to have set their bodies up horribly for processing real food

and they're also gonna have set their bodies up horribly for processing real food. And they're also going to set up their minds horribly because they've now done this, this, this, this thing for with their brain where they're just drinking their food, they're not chewing, they're not utilizing their body the way that evolved to be used. And now we're going to listen into music, you stop, you know, going to movies, you're like, yeah, like that's just, you know, the track. I honest to God think that it's very irresponsible of them to advertise this as a, you never have to eat food again.

I really, really do. I think it's a horrible advertising. Well, I think this, the case, the person asking is a trainer, I think, right? I believe he's a trainer or her, I'm not sure. But the way they worded the question was like, I think they had a client that is, as'm not sure. But the way they worded the question was like I think they had a client that is as was interested in this drink

or purchased it or whatever. And here's a, if you have a client or somebody who wants to take these drinks, I think addressing the drink itself and does it have, because they're gonna have all these studies at support. Oh, you can get the same nutrients or this or that bullshit, you can go around, around circles, debating it. The relationship that this person has with food

is what needs to be addressed. Like there's some either psychological stuff that they either are dealing with. I had a client who actually wanted me to let her drink this and I remember it happened to also be my client that had the worst relationship with food. This is the same thing as like saying, oh, I'm so sick of relationships with people.

I'm just gonna jerk off all the time and never date anybody ever again. I sleep myself. It's the same. It's the same thing. If you look at food like it's a fucking hassle, it's horrible. I just wanna drink it and get it over with so I can work.

That is exactly the mentality of the client that I'm talking about. Which leads me to give that advice, is that there's something, it's not about debating with your client or trying to educate them on how much more healthier it is for you to actually chew your food or find whole foods, kind of all the spiel at Salon.

That's true, okay? But what needs to be really dove into is the relationship to this person probably has with food that this would even be an option that they would want to do. So I would address that above all things. I mean, sure, it's not gonna kill you overnight.

Sure, it has some nutrient value to it, sure all those things, but why would you even want to go that route? And what type of person would ask that? And the person that you just described, so I'll just literally to a tee, that's the mentality of the client that I had. I was just like, oh, just this whole food thing is just so annoying trying to figure out. So weird. Yeah, it's just so much.

Too much. Too much. I'm too busy. I got too much going on. I just need something simplified for me Just put a catheter in me because I can't I can't be bothered to go take a pee There you go. Yeah, same thing stadium buddy. There's a plug Next show notes. Yeah They sell hands on right? Yeah, for sure

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of macronutrients and calories or whatever. Intermittent fasting itself has health benefits and just leave it at that. So if you're doing it so often that you're losing more weight than you like and you're just having tough time get all your calories in and you like. You're fasting too much. Yeah, stop intermittent fasting. losing more weight than you like and you're just having tough time get all your calories in and like how much yeah

Stop intermittent fasting It should not be used for those for those things at all So I have clients that I have fast and the but the reason why I have them fast is either because of inflammation or because I want to reintroduce certain foods and I want to go through a baseline or because I want to see them You know what happens to them on a mental level? With the fast, like, okay, I have an eating 24 hours, like what's going on, psychologically? How do you feel?

What are the foods you crave? What's the first meal that you eat? And then, of course, we have the physiological health benefits. Fasting promotes cell death from old cells. When you go and refeed your body then rebuilds and replenishes those cells and you have this kind of rejuvenated system. I myself, in fact, as we're recording and going through, I'm probably going to do a 48 hour fast.

I'm going to see if I can do a 72 hour fast. Now, I'm not doing this to get leaner to lose weight or any of that stuff. I know I'm gonna lose weight. I know I'm probably gonna lose strength during that period of time, but the reason why I'm doing it is I've been dealing with for the past couple of weeks gut issues that are just really frustrating. And I know, first of all, not eating is gonna give my gut

time to heal because that doesn't have to digest. So I'm thinking I have some inflammation there that should go away. But number two, I do know that a nice chunk of my immune system is going to become new. Literally, there's going to be recycled. The old ones are going to die and the new ones are going to be rebuilt. And I should have less autoimmune response when I eat. And that's how intermittent fasting should be used. There's also the mental clarity component that people get when I eat. And that's how intermittent fasting should be used. There's also the mental clarity component

that people get when they fast. I get it myself. I notice that I get much more clear during the fast. But when people are like, oh man, I'm fasting, but I'm just losing too much weight. What do I do? It's like, okay, stop fasting for a little while. Yeah.

It's just- I never recommend, if I got a client, because if you're worried about getting enough calories in, it sounds like you're somebody who's trying to build or put weight on or put size on, I don't recommend intermittent fasting. If you struggle with getting enough calories and getting enough food in,

restricting for a 17 hour or 15 hour window in the middle of the day is not advantageous of that. So it's extremely difficult for, especially a guy in my size to get the amount of calories and food I need to build and gain. So that's why I only do this maybe once a week and I tend to do this on days where I'm less active. Now I've had people and professionals say that, oh, I think it's, you know, it would be better to do it on a day when you're more active this night.

Well, I don't want to lose a bunch of weight from it. I want to do it for the health benefits of it. And that's the only purpose why it's even into my routine and why I have it in my clients. I'm not paying attention to the scale. I'm not worried about the grams of protein. I'm getting that day and not worried about the grams of fat. I mean, more than likely I'm gonna under consume on all of them. You're fasted. You're fasted for a majority of the day

More than likely. Which is kind of part of the point of the idea Yeah, it's the the ideas that I'm I'm grossly under on all those things and I'm not worried about it And I'm not and I and what I think people struggle with is getting beyond that and that fear of oh my god I didn't hit my protein intake for today I didn't hit my chloric intake today two pounds of muscle is gonna fall off my body that I work so hard to build like no It doesn't work that way and that's not gonna happen to you So and just cuz the scale drops down three or five pounds It's not because of that. It's because you haven't consumed any food you're lower on your calories

You're not retaining for For every gram, for every three grams of carbs that you have in your body, your body will hold three ounces of water. So, if you're on this super low calorie intake for the day, just think of how little of water your body's holding that much. And then if you ever set a half a gallon or a gallon of water on a scale and see how much it weighs, it's a lot of weight. Like I think it's like 12 pounds, 8 to 12 pounds, you know, a gallon of water. I think there's still a place for it, you know, while like in a surplus or like I'm in a bulking thing. Oh, I still do.

Why bulking? So that's important to bring up though, because, you know, there's a way that you can do it where you're oversaturated, you're just, you know, you're retaining water, all these types of things where now I want to restrict for a certain window and then I can assimilate everything so much more effectively. So there really is a performance element there. 100% as well. 100% and this is, so you get similar, when they've studied these side-by-side intermittent fasting and carb cycling get some similar benefits.

And so anybody who's carb cycle before and knows what it's like to go low, low, low, two or three days in a row, and then the Refeed that Antibolic feeling you get or that massive pump or how you just feel so great after that quote-unquote Refeed day that you get is a similar feeling that you'll get if you just implement fasting once a week or once every week and then go back to eating again, you'll get this surge in that, like Justin saying, this increase of performance of growth hormone gets shot up. You're going to feel like you're all cleaned out and then you get all those carbohydrates go to good use. So intermittent fasting, carb cycling, they have similar benefits, very, the same type of concept.

Even if you are bulking, I think you can utilize it, but then while you're doing it, you're not really concerned in that day. And this is also why I'm not a big fan of actually intermittent fasting every day. I know a lot of people, I've seen it on our forum a lot. They do every day, they do this intermittent fasting. And to me, I think when you've done that for a long period of time,

your body's probably gotten pretty efficient at your eating windows. Yeah, I've actually got, yeah, so I was going to voice in a little bit of going through that struggle because, you know, realizing that, you know, this move over into this new location, like how much less removing from not training as many clients or, you know, not being as active, like that has been somewhat of an answer to me to repeat a couple times a week intermittent fasting. And, you know, and that was a great way to monitor and manage, you know, where my weight was kind of coming up or down. But like you said, now it's at a point where it's too efficient

and I need to interrupt that process and so you have to evaluate that. And it's, but it does have great health benefits. So it's something I'm gonna repeat in the future but I have to step out. No, I mean, from a health standpoint, you're probably better off doing it here and there intermittently, right?

And having a wider gap of intermittent times, longer fast. And I'm just talking about the science. So, let's say once or twice a week, you intermittent fast where you don't eat until 2 p.m. Maybe do that once a week. And by the way, the individual variance in terms of the ability to handle fasting is pretty dramatic.

So I know people who they can fast too much and they'll get some really negative effects women in particular. So it's really on an individual basis, but just speaking, you know, just general, right? Let's say you did intermittent fasting, you know, once or twice a week and that's just what you did for the most part. And maybe once every three months or four months, you do a 24 to 72 hour fast. You're going to get different benefits from those long fasts as well. And that I'm talking about from a purely health standpoint in terms of the anti-cancer effects, the immune health effects, all those different

types of things. But here's something else you want to consider. When you fast, and I hate to say this because then people use it to diet, but it does make getting leaner easier And I'm not talking about the calorie aspect of it. I'm talking about the appetite control Yeah, the way your body, the way your brain actually receives food or perceives food So I notice when I fast and then I go eat food foods that are That I may think are normally bland will then all of a sudden explode with flavor.

Because I've up-regulated certain receptors, I get a dopamine response again, so now, I'm going in and eating things that normally feel a little boring to me and they're so delicious. And this may be useful for some people who find eating quote unquote healthy whole foods boring. A good fast typically will hype those things up, get those receptors up regulated and get those taste

receptors or taste sensors to kind of become more sensitive. Now you eat broccoli or something else, you're like, wow, this is really good. Next up is rumo third. If mind pump were to break up and you all went your separate ways, a great individual podcast. Dear you, what would be the focus and the name of your individual podcasts?

That's hilarious. This is great because we were literally, the reason why I picked this question was we were going to break up. We were talking about segmenting the future of the show, so eventually the podcast having five to seven days of podcast or potentially having a separate channel for each one of us and that we'd have topics. Yeah, because right now we have four podcasts episodes a week, but we would like to at some point be able to drop seven.

So every single day, there's something new. And like Adam was saying, some of them would be segmented to be just one of us, and it would be something that wouldn't be fitness-related. Yeah, because I think we all recognize that there's probably a ton of people out there that love to listen to Salon, absolutely hate to hear me talk. And I'm sure there's most people love Justin

but are annoyed by Salon. So we understand that there's certain people that gravitate towards one or the other and want to hear more of what that person has to, like, for example, I think we talked about that. Well, first of all, what do you think you're as person-of-the-fifle? Well, so I have a lot of passions. And so what's funny is I actually considered doing a podcast. I wanted to do podcasts or something like that a long time ago and it wasn't fitness.

Of course, I've always been in fitness, but I also have a deep passion for current events, politics, economics, that sphere. And I would want to do a podcast where I discuss those things, where I talk about world politics, US politics, economics, societal, cultural events, things that pop up in the news, discussing them, what they mean, navigating through those things. I can be extremely opinionated and polarizing if you've been listening to Mind pump for longer than two minutes,

you probably know this already. And those categories are areas where my opinions are just as strong as they are in fitness. And I have huge passions for them. I would love to do a podcast where I talk about that stuff. I would absolutely love to debate those things. I'd love to debate economics. I'd love to debate economics. I'd love to debate peace. I'd love to debate equality, freedom, you know, just the things that are

just moving culture in different directions, whether it's forwards or backwards. I'd love to talk about them and the philosophies behind them and you know, get objective and look at what works, what doesn't work. And I'm pretty sure I'd piss everybody off. I tend to disagree at some point with everybody. And it would just be fucking fun for my standpoint. I don't know if it'd be fun to listen to, I'm sure, like I said, at some point it irritates everybody, but that would be 100% what I would want to talk about

on my separate podcast. Yeah, so for everybody that loves the information and like just the plethora of knowledge that you know, sound at them and you know, everybody's bringing into the table that can't stand the humor and entertainment side of it. I just want to fast forward the beginning. My podcast would not be for you. Fuck you. You're supposed to be the beginning of my podcast. No, mine, yeah, literally would be way more dick jokes.

Way more like the beginning, but a little more format to it, where we sort of dive into science fiction film and we just have more fun skits like more comedy based Purely entertainment kind of we're not trying to teach you anything But just just kind of silly and lighthearted and that kind of a thing So that's that would be something that I would I would I would love to just you know Just just have fun and and dive into that as

well as this so yeah you didn't say what yours was called did you oh I don't know if I want to say the name because I already have a name too bro yeah I want to hear him I don't know why you worried you're good. No, I know, you know what? Because I don't know if I'll go with it. Are you right? You know, we should probably wait. Yeah. So, I don't know. Well, I mean, I'm the one that doesn't really have a name.

I'll come up with one of those. I'm married to it, you know what I mean? Yeah, no. What do you, you're not gonna give it out for what? Well, no, that's part of the question. There was a name that I enjoyed for all, it was called Angry Liberty. And it was just because I was pissed off.

I like that. I like that. That's fired, dude. I'm definitely, I mean, you know, I don't Angry Liberty, and it was just because I was pissed off. I like that. I like that. I like that. That's fire, dude. I'm definitely, I mean, you know, I don't make any secrets that I'm, you know, very, very strong believer in individual liberty. And the piece and prosperity that economics has brought to the world as much as there's a lot of problems with it. There's, it's really done an incredible thing for mankind. Like I hate it when people say shit like, you know, money is evil because money is just a tool. Like money itself is nothing. I could put pile of money on the table and it'll never kill anybody or hurt anybody.

It's people that can be good or evil. Money is just a brilliant way of transferring value of goods or whatever, like if you have chickens and I have logs, and you want logs and I want chickens, well there's no problem there, we could trade. But what if I want to buy tires, chicken? But I have logs and you have chickens, how do I get value from you so I can get those,

that product over there. Well, money represents all that. So that's just a little rant there, but those are the kind of subjects I like to tackle. I like that name, though. Did you, are you gonna give your name? Just in a while. Yeah, yeah.

Well, we're thinking around like no onions, just because it's like so random. And my friend and I kind of came over that a long time ago. No, I think it'd be appropriate because people would be like, huh? What does that even mean? And that's the point. You know, you don't even know what it means.

The whole fucking show, you don't know what it means. Is that like, is that like a play on words like, because then you have to peel back so many layers to get you, it's like there's no fucking it's not hate onions to begin with. It's no worked out peeling back. It's just in your face smells. You know, all this format smells. That's what it got.

It smells bad. No onions. Oh, shit. If I would do it first, I just want to point out though, but I would never do an individual podcast. Yeah. Probably one of my greatest fears, believe it or not, as much as I fucking ramble and talk, is to have dead air or dead space.

And one of the things I love about having these two gentlemen is when there is a time that I feel like I don't have anything to contribute, or I feel like I don't have something really intelligent to say about that, I feel that one or the other will. And that makes this no stress. There's no stress when we do mind pump.

I absolutely enjoy every minute of it. It's very therapeutic. It doesn't take a lot of work for me. It's very natural. I think if I had to do my own show, it would take a lot more work. There would be a lot more stress involved. There'd be a lot more pressure to give

just constant information all by myself. So I just wanna put that out there that would probably never happen. If I were to segment it though, or do something that I think just I would talk about by myself, it would either be somewhere in the world of body building or business, or maybe both. Maybe it would be the business of bodybuilding,

or bodybuilding business, and maybe that would be the name. I don't know. But I think that I would end up- Double B. Yeah, maybe it would be double B. Yeah, I think I could get into, I could get into talking about that for quite some time. I would love to share a lot of my-

You can have a coast. I know, exactly. You can go by yourself. Exactly. I think I would love to share a lot of my I can have a coast. I know exactly. You do by yourself. Exactly. I think I would have, well why would that be that? Most people do that. A lot of Joe Rogan. I don't know how people do that.

They would have guests on. I don't think Joe, I don't think they ever really do a lot of episodes. Oh yeah, well no, I think that of course we would have guests. But even then, there's a difference between me interviewing a guest by myself versus having two or three co-roes. Absolutely. There's two.

Yeah, I do that. So, yeah, no brainer that I would be interviewing somebody or have some sort of a co-host. I still... I still... Yeah, I see. Hi, this is 36. This is me again. This is me again.

I don't know if I could feel that much air. But I do think that there's a lot to a lot that I have to share in regards to business, kind of a lot of the pitfalls that I went through, a ton of books that I've read that I've enjoyed, a lot of people that I've learned from, all the different weird businesses that I've had and the ones that have been successful, the ones that have failed, I think it could talk for a really long time about that stuff. And I just became recently, extremely fascinated with the bodybuilding world. And if you would have asked me that five, six years ago,

I've always been somebody into business, but five, six years ago, I would have no desire to talk about bodybuilding, but going through what I've gone through now and seeing that side, and I found a connection to it. I enjoyed the shit out of it. And then I also saw so much wrong with it. I could talk for hours about all the different issues that I have with it and the things that I think need to change and be better. So because it's a little bit related to mine pump, it would be, I think it would be

probably easy to get guests and stuff, you know what I mean, to be able to do that. Yeah, well, even business, I feel like we've had some really good entrepreneur minds on here, and I think I could go that way. And then we could be guests. I love the guest on my show. Oh, yeah, that'll be fun.

We'd be guests, host on each show. But I do wanna say that. I put you in Wigs and all that shit. Both of you have obviously thought about this more than I have, and both of you have better names than I do. I'm gonna have to come up with it. We'll circle back to you. Yeah, I'm gonna have to come up with a more, the fact that this guy's already got his trademark and then Justin's been talking about it for fuck's sake. He's got the domain! He's got the domain, alright.

So they have put some of it on the screen. I'm obviously going to say, obviously, they've been thinking about Yoko Ona. I better start thinking about it in case we break up because I thought we were going to be together as a band for all her butt. I better watch out for fucking Diana Ross over here because, I don't know, I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. I'm thinking about Yoko Ona. I better start thinking about in case we break up because I thought we were gonna be together

as a band for all her butt. I better watch out for fucking Diana Ross over here because Adam's the optimist. I don't know what she's gonna go on. I already did. I already did. Do you have a, I'll cohost a mind already Justin?

Yeah, we'll probably be my friend from high school. Yeah, just because he always talks to me about like, I mean, this is the guy that we've been like, trying to write an actual science fiction novel with forever. And that would be half of the premise of the show would be like us in our stupid conversations that like everybody, like my wife just rolls her eyes, you know, and we start talking about it

because we're so passionate about it, you know. You know, it's funny when you do that too, you think like, oh my God, if only people could hear us, we're so awesome with it. You know, it's funny when you do that too, you think like, oh my God, if only people could hear us, we're so awesome. People listen to what they love. There's not gonna be as many people into that show. I get it.

I don't know, man, you're pretty fucking hilarious that vlog that we recorded at PaleoFX, man, your bits were, and it's all natural. That's just Justin. I have, I have, I have, I just two people I would consider as co-host I don't want to say this Jesus Christ you guys have thought a lot about this. Well, no You fuckers. I've actually

I'm not uncomfortable. I'm gonna come into work one day and you guys be like oh by the way No, you know you know both of them. I can't I don't want to do it. Doug and I are gonna start one fuck you guys Yeah, that sounds good. The Doug and Adam hour or Adam yells at Doug the whole time Well, you know what the only one that's gonna come out is Adams because he's got the producer Doug the whole time. Well, you know what? The only one that's gonna come out is Adams because he's got the producer. So I'm smarter with my car. No, this this one girl the friend of mine that man if she if we got on a political, you know, Podcast, guarantee you she would get she would piss. She's like, oh my god. You want to talk about polarizing? She is fucking fire. Piss and her voice is so soft and sweet and then she says, she'm shit. And you're just like,

we're gonna get a hate mail forever. Oh wow. Yeah, it'll be really fun. Check it out. 30 days of coaching. But no, it's not as mind-pump. Available for free at mindpumpmedia.com. It's for anybody.

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