Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 520: Burning Muscle During Cardio, Resetting Your Gut, Signs of Undereating & MORE

Episode Date: June 2, 2017

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Big Top Beard Company (bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about technology and its benefit and/or detriment to society, ways to reset your gut when it is off, staying well nourished when eating intuitively and whether there is any truth to muscle being burned during steady state cardio. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Also, I talk about my specific way that I'm doing right now to reset my gut. If you have gut issues, how to fix sales tummy. If you think you have gut issues and you want to figure out how to reset it and start over, you might wanna listen to the second question of this episode. Also, we talk about the tips on how we can ensure

that you're well nourished while eating intuitively. Some people actually under eat when they think they're listening to their body and we help you with the signs of that. Also, is there any truth to muscles being burned during steady state cardio? Are you gonna burn all your muscle off with cardio? Is that a myth? Find out in this episode. Also, lastly, we got a lot of new

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and and to see i already feel like a rock star is it true carry who does it now does you carry do that prices right he does it right so yeah right that was the fucking show that was on when i was homes sick from school. Come on down.

Yeah, that's when you'd watch it, right? Your home sick from school and it was always like, and then when they spin the wheel, you think the old ladies are like getting crushed. Yeah. Like, I always find it fascinating what shows like that, that like stand the test the time.

Like that wouldn't that start like the 70s? Yeah. I think it did. The whole thing has a hangover show. And the set has a hangover show. It's like test the time. Like, wouldn't that start like the 70s? Yeah. I think it did. The whole thing has a hangover show. And the set hasn't been. It's like exactly the same. That's what's epic. Like, if you created that, like, you're brilliant

because to not have to like really evolve at that much other than maybe changing the host after he died. It was like, he ran that thing for 30 years and then you can move to the Bob Barker. Now, that's the one where people have to guess the prices of products, right? There's always this ass of one. One dollar guy.

Yeah, there's always that ass of who's like, one, I guess $4.50, Bob, and then the next item. Or somebody you'll be like, $451. Yeah, exactly. Like you, $298, they'll do $299. Well you remember how that works, right? So if you go, if you guess over the price,

you're out, no matter what, even if you're a dollar, you're right on, you go if you guess over the price you lose out no matter Even if you're a dollar yeah, you're right on you're one over you're wrong all right real quick on the count of three your favorite game show I got it. Okay on three one two three Family dude what you guys oh family feud the dating game. I said double there. Oh, oh date Do you know they brought the dating game back? Do they you didn't see that? No, bro No, I didn't see they brought the dating are no eight. They brought love connection back Back in two and two. Yeah, what was yours again double dare? Oh Yeah, where they slime you that was a Nickelodeon one

Rowback right there. Yeah, do they still do that? They don't still double dare and it was a slime Everything was slime on Nickelodeon. That was the thing. That was the gimmick. Yeah. What is Nickelodeon still going? No, you guys have kids. Right? Is this a big deal still? Is Nickelodeon in like kicking ass? It's huge. I mean, it got so that was cartoons on this. This was our time because know that right? Like Nickelodeon

didn't exist before us. Like it was it came during our actually, you know, they do these these like adventure games where they have kids on like iPads and they have to like run around some resort and like find stuff. It's like a treasure hunt or whatever and like, that's like the new thing now. Well, Nickelodeon, I think was the first channel, all for kids. Before that, there wasn't any. Now you've got a cartoon network and all these other, but Nickelodeon was the shit. There was one... I got SpongeBob. Do you guys other, but Nickelodeon was the shit. There was one...

I got SpongeBob. Do you guys remember that one show on Nickelodeon? I think it was called, you can't say that on television. Yeah. Oh my God, that was great. I don't remember that. I do, yeah. Remember it and then there was the dude, like,

the cook in the back and he made, like, gross ass food for the kids. Yeah. And there was always fart jokes. Yeah. It was the most inappropriate show. You're taking me back for kids. Like deleted that from the brain.

Doug, pull up, you can't say that on television. I guarantee you watch it. I don't remember. I feel like Nickelodeon wasn't the one that had American gladiators in it, dude. Oh my God, that wasn't my favorite. I love that show. That was like ABC, that was like regular TV.

Yeah, that was good. No, I love Nickelodeon. I used to watch Nickelodeon and then, but this is of course pre-, that was good. No, I love NICOLODY. I used to watch NICOLODY and then, but this is of course pre-internet porn, I watched it. So, imagine, okay, imagine where we have the wagon. And then we got distracted. Imagine when we have the wagon up here, you know the wagon?

How cool. Oh, the Chinese wagon? How cool would it be to have one of those tennis ball guns and you have to, and we created a little obstacle course right here on the grass, that you have to get all the way to underneath without getting pelted with the fucking the gun. But the dead, the dead, the dead. You can't do that on television. That's it.

No, so you got to click on like the YouTube. This isn't it. No, that's it. But that top thing is part of the website. So you can't do see how it says you can do that on television, Nickelodeon. Dude, it was such a... I don't. Dude, you know on Gladiators. Okay, what event, here's my question to you guys.

What event do you think you would have dominated? Oh, that's a good one. On Gladiators. Mine is the one where they had like, so they had everybody kind of cornered in this shoot, so you had to try and like, run past these Gladiators. I remember trying to beat on you and you had to like basically wedge your way through. Of course you do that.

Oh my God, I killed those because you're a juggernaut. That was like my thing. I always wanted to do that. Jousting, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's technique involved in juggling. Oh, we should have, there's, I feel like Adam would have done the rings one where you like, like you put your legs and you try and like like pull somebody down off the rings

Oh, I forgot about that would be a good one. Yeah, my Lerms I like the one where you they had the The little barrels they had all the barrels like a little football field and you had to get the balls in the barrels And they were trying to and the center one was worth the most points the outside barrels were worth less trying to run Yeah, you can avoid the Hat eaters and it was like those tippy, you know, tippy cups and you know, bounce back up and you have to try and get it in there.

What, okay, so was this a cartoon or was it said, you guys gotta film me in here? I don't remember this. Oh, no, it was a TV show, it was like a variety show. So, and they would do lots of skits and stuff. Yeah, literally, no, remember zero about this. So, can you tell me the, why is it called, what's it called?

You can't do that on television because the skits were super inappropriate. They were all farting, barf jokes. And okay, so the cook in the school would always throw up in people's food. That was just saying, what the hell? I'm gonna have to watch all these like after this. I think it's time to summon the quad bird.

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Do you think the benefits outweigh the damaged tech has done to humans? Wow. Oh, it's easy answer. I see. I knew you were going to lean Swiss, why I've grabbed this question. Well, okay, let's just consider for a second

that humans died at incredible rates with an infection, lack of water, lack of food. We're going to do medicine and stuff like that, then of course. Technology. Yeah, you're right. I think when someone says technology, I think of all the tech stuff, dude. You think of like, I guess you could- Well, let's look at the 20th century.

Let's just look at the 20th century. Yeah. The 20th century. No, even just how about the last 20 years, let's look at the 20th century. Let's just look at the 20th century. If the 20th century, how about the last 20 years, dude? How about that? The last 20 years? Yeah, just the last 20 years. The last 20 years. Because, okay, all the major shit is handled.

You gotta go back a little more than that. No, why? Why? Because in terms of the start of the internet, let's start. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Let's go with the internet and let's speculate. So it's longer than 20 years ago.

Obviously, is it a little too? Yeah, you're looking at right around. About 25 maybe? Probably 25, 30. Yeah, it's not just the invention of the internet, but when it started to get widespread use. It might be 30 years. So, dude.

Dude, you see an Oregon trail when you're a kid. That wasn't the internet though. That was computers. I know but like for that like aOL Was that was it that's fucking that was going high school, bro. Was it? Yes? I thought it was like yes, it was 90s. It was in the 90s Yeah, that which is which is more than 1990 right there. I can see it no What does that say there Doug you internet use rapidly in the West from the mid 90s. Yeah, so mid 90s.

So you're looking at about 25, 30 years, if you want to go back for it. So I'll tell you this much, the last 25 and 30 years saw such a dramatic reduction in worldwide poverty that you can't compare almost any other time in human history to that. Now the whole end of the 20th century was like that. But when the internet really kicked in, you saw people lift themselves out of poverty and

a lot of it has to do with the ability of the internet to connect people to each other, to offer opportunities to other businesses. You've got people in other countries now offering their services, for example, if you need someone to edit your website or whatever you can hire someone in Bangladesh who will do it for you, does a very, very good job. People are getting more services.

They're able to communicate in term for efficiency of allocating resources. By far technology has been a blessing. That doesn't mean there aren't side effects and negatives. So I'm not saying it's all been a blessing. Economically, it's been positive, and I think that's what you're saying right now. But what about what it's done to us socially and what it's physically? Yeah, physically, socially.

I think you have to factor all of that in if you look at it as a whole, right? So we could say that, okay, for sure. And let's be honest, we are a perfect example of somebody who benefits from technology. I mean, 20 years ago, we could not sit on a radio show and talk to millions of people all over the world. Like, we have fans and have to tour all over the place. People that listen to the show in places have never been. So the ability to do that, and we have many people that we contract work out that are

overseas. Without a doubt, technology has served us very, very well when it comes to making money and its base. By far connected more of the world. You have more access to people all across the world, which is a benefit. I think it is the number one contributor to obesity. I think that technology because cars and computers and these automated services and driving it to you instead of you actually having to go to it, is the leading reason why we are overweight. I think that we are grossly, and there's stats to prove this,

that a woman in the early 1900s would be, you know, burning 4,000 calories a day, that's insane. That a woman could eat 4,000 calories and not gain fat. The average female gains weight now off of 1,500 calories, which would technically put you nutrient deficient. And technology, in my opinion, is largely responsible for that. You know, it's interesting, you say that there was this huge study and I think it was published in National Geographic, where they went and they studied hunter gatherer societies that still exist today.

And they did some very advanced testing where they could test how many calories someone burns. And there's a machine that does this, and it has to do it, you breath into it, and it, I don't know all the details, but it's about as accurate as a test as you can have in terms of testing calorie expenditure. Because we can calculate calorie expenditure and say, oh, well, you should be able to burn this many if you do this much activity or whatever. Right, but everything should be different.

But we know it's super inaccurate. The most accurate test that we have require an expensive machine to do so. So they've actually done this. They've actually tested calorie burn in some of these hunter gatherer societies. And you know what they found? They concluded that the obesity epidemic is not the result of inactivity. These people's bodies, what they found,

because they were so active all the time, it was their lifestyle that their bodies... That is a normal. Their bodies adapted and became very efficient. And we talk about adaptive thermogenesis, and we've examined this in athletes as well, where you have a high level athlete who is a swimmer who's very efficient at swimming, and they'll measure calorie burn, and their bodies become so efficient at that whatever

movement that they're doing that they burn substantially less calories than we calculate. And the authors concluded, and by the way, this is still contested. So this is a good question. I was gonna say, I disagree with this. Because I know for sure,

I can't wish I remember like you do and have a photographic memory could remember where I read this study, but I definitely remember reading this. And I give a multitude of factors. And where I would give on this is I did a multitude of factors. Where I would give on this is that I believe that there's a medium there. So maybe the study that I read was grossly exaggerated that maybe the women weren't eating

4,000 calories, but you can bet your ass. She was moving four times the amount as the average female is now today. Well, you had to now So here's the thing that you want to consider the obesity epidemic took off After America was pretty modern already So if you look at the obesity epidemic and when you look at the chart of obesity Really start to like explode it happened right around the 80s. Now right around that point,

we had still a large percentage of the population in America that had office and desk jobs, and it took off, and it doesn't necessarily match the lack the less of the activity. Now if you look at childhood obesity. Wait a second, what about what also happened in the 70s, 80s and 90s with women and working more the

increase of women and jobs and let's be most jobs being sedentary type jobs why wouldn't that contribute well so if you look at if you compare if that were the case then then the obesity rates of women would increase faster than the obesity rates of men, but they're not. They're actually right next to each other. Now the big explosion that we're seeing more recently is the explosion of childhood obesity and that can be very connected to activity

because children are definitely not as active as they used to. But if you again take it a step further when they look at children who play lots of sports and who are very active, they're still suffering from this rise in obesity. So what they're concluding is that, and this is not to say you shouldn't be active, by the way, because here's what you need to understand, is if you move and you don't lose weight, you're still going to have health benefits. So although you do get health benefits from the weight loss as well.

So what's, and this is fascinating, like I said, these authors were blown away that these hunter gatherer societies weren't burning nearly as many calories as they thought, and they were like walking all over the place and trekking and Walking to get water and hunting and do it and they're like they were not burning and it's think about it think about it this way The human body evolved in a state of high activity and In a state of low food availability It doesn't make sense that the human body would just burn a shit ton of calories and stay that way all the time, especially if you're not, you don't have access to tons of food.

So, although I, of course, 100% think that activity plays a role in it, I think the bigger role has to do with our nutrition. I think that has a bigger, but I think they both play a big role. I think both of those things, but I think it's also the environment and the simplicity of the environment. So I feel like one of the reasons why we're so bombarded with our daily, we get distracted all the time with this overstimulus. So there's flashing lights, there's all these things like I'm driving. There's all these like cautionary like mechanisms

that are going off in your body where you're in a conscious state of stress. Like even though we don't think it's stress, like flashing lights, oh my God, like it sends a response and I have a certain degree of a hormone response like it's a stress. And so and on top of that, the job, and then now, like, food being so readily available,

people have that as like a comforting mechanism. And so then they're gonna eat, and maybe it's not the best, it's overly processed, it's not the best options as far as nutrients are concerned. And they're not as active as they were concerned. And, you know, and they're not as active as they were before. So all this like environment is more conducive to sitting in being stationary while I'm overstressed. So I feel like there's just so many factors

that are working against us that it's a result of this is getting down to the childhood level. So I want to take your, what you're talking about stress, and I want to hone it in a little bit, because I think we've been hammered for the last, I don't know, 15 years or so, that stress is the cause of all of our ailments. And the message has been to reduce stress.

The reality is, that's the wrong message. The right message is we're having the wrong kinds of stress and we're not having the right kinds of stress. So we're not managing it or arguing too much of versus raw. It's overwant like to where they're not focused. Well, cause any stress could be technically good. This is the topic that we got into with Andy and Barbell Shrugged, right?

Yes. That even a flashing light stress could technically be be technically good. This is the topic that we got into with Andy and Barbara Schrogg, right? Yes. That even a flashing light stress could technically be maybe good for us to create a response, our body adapting them, but it's the constant same stresses all the time. It's the wrong kind, too much of the wrong kind and not enough of the right kind and the balance of the, because we're, okay, people are complete morons if they think that 500 years ago, a thousand years ago, 5,000 years ago, humans were stressed out.

Let's be honest, you're looking for food every day. You're way more stressed. It's cold as fuck. Just different types of stress. Yeah, different kinds of stress and they may have had reprieve differently than we do. If you're out in nature and you just got food, which was your major stress and you ate that food,

you've got reprieve from it, it's quiet, you're outside. I'm, ooh, we're safe right now. Like, it's calm. Like, they've got reprieve from that. Whereas maybe this type of stress that we're exposed to now is low level. Like, I'm not gonna starve, I'm not to get killed. But it's this constant nagging all day long, never ending, you know, stress story that happens, you know, before I go to

bed, I'm on my phone, I'm checking emails, I even on vacation, I'm checking emails, I'm never going out in the nature, I never shut shit down. And on top of it, the average person doesn't get the right kind of stretch. So they're not moving, they're not getting that stress or they're not getting sunlight, they're not getting that stress. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, here's the thing with technology is this. Technology is a 100% powerful tool and that tool can be used in many different ways and it can be used in many different ways and it can be used negatively.

Let's talk about human connection. Adam, you had mentioned how we don't have connection in the same ways. The reality is with technology today, you have the ability to be more connected than ever in all of humanity. Now, I could use that technology to disconnect. Well, so, okay, now I gotta challenge that way of thinking, because I used to say the same thing too. And when you really think about it though,

and this is what I kinda see, what it scares me of the future. And I brought this up on the podcast one time when I was standing up at HP and we're inside our suite. And I'm looking down at the arena. And I've been there for years going kind of the same spot And I remember you know you kind of get used to seeing the same crowds of people and over the last like four or five years It's gotten very normal now when I look down that literally

Every single person till the game starts is in there on their phone and they have a friend or a family member That's sitting on their left and they're right, yet they're connected all over the world with other friends on Facebook and this and that. Meanwhile, they have a person that's living breathing right next to them that's a loved one or a family or a friend, and they're being more connected to maybe 10 of their Facebook friends right there,

but then they're disconnected and present with the person that's right next to them. So you have to ask yourself, even though you're technically being coming more connected to people, is it healthier for us socially and physically, mentally and spiritually? Yeah, I wouldn't consider that more connected.

I think, like I said, it's a tool. And, you know, I think it's, that's how it's been used. That's how it's being used though. And we know that right? It's managed in the acceleration of its growth is I feel like that's the cautionary tale because we haven't even been able to really manage where we are currently with our technology yet

to adapt to the environment because it's changing so fast. Well, here's what we do very well. Okay, is we blame inanimate objects on the human condition. So you always hear the term, money is the root of all evil. Money is a fucking piece of paper. I could put up stack of money on this table. If we leave it there, it won't do anything to anybody. Money also represents an exchange of goods and services.

And it is by far the symbolic, the symbol of money being able to trade with someone so I don't need to have what you want in terms of my products or services, I just need to have money and now I can get what you have and now people can trade with anybody and it is literally one of the root causes of the growth of civilization, one of the root tools but yet we say money is the root of all, evil. No, people do evil shit to get more money, just like they did evil shit to get more resources. And people will use technology to feed-

I get the power of- So no, I don't think, I think it's- I think the parallel you're drawing, I get where you're, but money and technology are not the same thing. They're both in that object. what of them is required to live? Okay. Money is required.

So it's technology. No, it's not. Absolutely. No, it's not. We just talked about hunter gatherer people that do probably don't have Facebook, right? Well, I mean, it depends what you consider technology. Hunter gatherer uses technology too. Yeah.

They use the tech to figure out how to sharpen a rock and make it into. I mean, it's all technology. Your phone is just, it's thousands of years down the line from a spear. It's all the same. And by the way, the guy who invented the spear invented a very effective way to hunt, but he also invented a very new way of waging war and killing other people.

So my point is, we're always, mankind is always in this conundrum where we invent these tools and our nature is to either use it for good or allow our inner whatever to come out and it to be used for bad. But that's a fair point. But if you look at overall, since the invention of new technology today, worldwide, it's unequivocally a blessing. But there's some major side effects. You're right. I mean, people don't, you, a lot of people don't use tech to connect. They use it to disconnect. Like they're in a, a busy room, you know, they're in a coffee shop and they want to escape to their phone and just know I think people are constantly assessing their environment and they're trying to innovate processes.

That's part of us trying to improve constantly. I think that's great, that's what human beings are. But a lot of times we improve on things with the side effect that goes with that. So if we make more comfortable chairs, we make a process where it eliminates us having to walk to work every day. We didn't really have the foresight to see the effect of what that's going to produce onto the human body. And it's like now we're kind of like, it's new problems.

It's new problems that we're trying to still kind of gather the pieces together. And I guess that's why my cautionary thing with it is not only has it grown substantially, it's just going to keep growing and where will we be? Well, here's something you want to look at because we always hear people say, especially people who advocate ancestral type dieting, most of human evolution happened up until about 10,000 years ago, then you had the agricultural revolution or whatever, and we haven't evolved physically too much since then. In other words, I could take a human from way back then, and if I cut their hair, clean them up, put them in modern clothes, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Now, this is very true, but what is not said is that

the human mind, the way we think, evolves all the time time and the evolution of that happens faster and faster and faster. So we're stuck with primitive bodies, primitive desires, but with these minds that are evolving very quickly and able to invent things to cure certain things, but now we're dealing with new pitfalls. I'm going to fuck our bodies in the evolve. That's so weird to me. Our bodies, our bodies, we'll start to catch up.

When am I going to be able to just turn my hand into a spear like what the fuck Technology's gonna be able to eventually do that, but think about it this way bug eyes think about how fast Like the minds of humans have advanced in just the last 50 years think about it Go 100 years fuck it. You know, well, we had segregation You know 100 years ago today if you've that up somewhere, people would think you were crazy. That's an evolution of the mind. Look at how women were treated. Look at how we look at gay marriage.

Over 20 years, that has completely changed. Our thought process on lots of things have changed very, very rapidly. And look at, okay, we're in the fitness and health industry, right? And we've seen an obesity epidemic that is happening rather recently, but it started not that long ago, like 40 years ago, it kind of started taking off. And if you look at the whole scheme of things, that's a blink of the eye. And now you're starting to see, if you look at like soda consumption, it's starting to drop. You're looking at snack

food consumption is starting to change. Foods are being marketed differently because I think people are starting to catch on. It just takes takes time but technologies making that shit happen faster and faster. I just hope that we can advance faster than our follies will kill us. Well, I just gonna say along the lines of the killing and the you know, you gave the analogy of the spear which I thought was a great analogy that that's also a technological tool that has evolved that's used for hunting and has great analogy, that that's also a technological tool that has evolved that's used for hunting and has helped us, and that it's also used for killing.

Where do you start to question and ask yourself, like the question is the beginning, circling back to the real question, which is, is it outweighing the damage that it's actually doing? Are some of these tools, this tech, you know, we're saying all the things that's great about it, but when does it become more of a weapon Then it does become something to help us hunt and and live and survive well is is Facebook That much of duality. It's it's a constant, you know, pull from one to the other like how how much of Of some of these things these, you know, how much does is snapchat really helping us hunt? You know, and how much of it is it really killing us?

So, we're gonna get the atom bomb. Well, here's the thing, it's hard to do that. An economist talked about this a little time ago. It's hard to make a direct match. It's hard, but don't we need to think of it like that? Well, we can, but here's an example. People will say, well, why do we have entertainment? Like, let's eliminate entertainment.

It's not feeding us. It's not giving us food or shelter, but we do know that that does play a role in quality of life and that probably does improve to some extent the quality of humanity. So it's very difficult to do those direct connections, but I will say this, I think technology will benefit us more than be our detriment until the point, and hopefully this never happens, where technology kills us all. Because of all the risks, and this is true, of all of the risks that we face

in the near future, probably one of the biggest risks is us. Like, let's be honest, we have enough nukes in the world to destroy everybody several times over. We have the technology to create viruses that will kill all of mankind. We have technology that to create viruses that will kill all of mankind.

We have technology that we could set off these EMP bombs and send the whole world into the Stone Age, which would result in mass, mass, mass starvation and death. So at the moment, I fear our ingenuity more than I fear almost anything else. The only thing that we aren't they directly connected. Well, I'm talking about like, I don't fear like a meteor hitting us and exploring. No, I know, but I mean technology and our end�et and your ability to create all this technology.

Oh yeah, I know. I mean, that's the same thing. I'm just saying for example, as artificial intelligence, you know. Like so once we get to that sort of pinnacle of technology, I feel like we're we're going to be in some hot water of how to manage that. We can be, we can be or it could be an incredible blessing. We literally have no idea. Up until now all I'm saying is up until today, so far technology has been more of a blessing than a curse. And of course, there's

periods of time. Well, I think we all do. And I also, this is where I have faith in humanity is that what you see, and this goes back to our free market, we're all huge fans of that. And when you think about what's happening right now in the market, if you follow it, there's this huge rise in mindfulness and your meditation places and your massage therapy and your flow. And then using technology. Exactly.

And bring you there. So now we're using these things to actually bring us more present to detach from being plugged in 24 or 7. So I do, I know the pendulum has swung pretty far right now. We've watched the internet happen. We watched it evolve to the point where people are snapchatting and connected to their phone, nonstop to the point where they're not even having a conversation with the person next to them. So we're starting to see it get to the one extreme.

And the answer is, you know, you're starting to see now a rise in the counter culture to that, which I think is awesome. And that's where I think you have to believe in humanity. And I think the best thing that you can do is those that have families and children is to educate and inform and and be mindful yourself. This is something that I mean, gosh, we're we're in a business right now that, you know, thrives off of being plugged in and connected and social and all that shit. So I actually, I mean, we've talked about this before we have, I have to put practices

in on a daily basis to disconnect and not get consumed like that because really easily you can. We carry it with us all day. I mean, and I'm 35, going on 36 years old. I can't imagine a 15, 15 to 20 year old that came out with an iPhone in their hand. Like, what the, like try to, they may be more adapted to it, you know, like they, they may, like, you know, it's changing the wiring, the brain.

Yeah, they're already like accustomed to the environment of it. It's, it's literally changing the way that their brains are wired. They're already showing this. And they're going to take off with it, you know, and like thrive with it. Whereas we're still trying to, oh, you know, and like thrive with it Whereas we're still trying to Oh, no figured out. No, you bring up a great point at them because before food was so plentiful and so palatable Obesity was never a killer. It became a killer when we had all this food available all the time And so all of a sudden were you know, we're in a situation which we've never been in before as humans where we have to like

Manage our food intake like that never happened before humans where we have to like manage our food intake Like that never happened before right or we had to manage our activity before it was like you just move too much everything's easy But now we have to go back to doing things hard so now we're gonna have to learn how to manage our tech use Quick interruption by our sponsors you guys lots of people been asking us how they can support the mine put mafia family Our first one is our chimera Coffee that we love. You guys go to chimeracoffee.com. That's Chimera with a K for 10% off. Don't forget MindPump at the checkout.

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She's a forum member, old school lover. So this was directed at me because she says how, you know, I've talked about resetting my gut. Because you have tummy issues. Yeah, you know, I've talked about resetting my gut. Because you have tummy issues. Yeah. You know, I'm glad you make fun of me about that. So here's the, what I, when I talk about resetting the gut, what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to bring total inflammation down, which is number one, and then I'm trying to balance out my internal gut flora.

Let's talk before you go any deeper. Let's talk about what that means. Because some people will probably hear that and be like, what does that mean your gut is inflamed and why does that matter and how does that happen? So when you explain that to people. So when your gut is inflamed, it becomes more permeable and things will leak through the gut that usually don't and get into your bloodstream. Now, this is a bad thing because if let's say I eat, you know, avocados every day because I like them and they're healthy, but I have an inflamed gut and some of this avocado gets leaked through my gut because it's infl flame. And when your gut is inflamed, it becomes more permeable. And my body, what will happen is my body will start

to recognize this avocado as a foreign invader and will start to develop antibodies against it. So now I develop an intolerance to avocado. So all of a sudden, I'm gonna do an analogy here and tell me if I'm wrong. So when I envision the gut and kind of what ends up happening when someone gets a leaky gut syndrome and from something that they're consuming or eating,

typically it's because of the over-consumption of something, that has led to this, is that correct? It might. So gut inflammation can come from a lot of different reasons. Because I envision like a sponge, right? Like a sponge is your wall. And if you took just a shot of water and you poured it on a dry sponge, none of that water would leak through the sponge. The sponge would actually absorb it up before it even got through.

But if that sponge was full of water, and then I dumped that shot of water on it, the water would actually drip and leak out. It isn't similar like that. It's more like this. Imagine a screen door with very, very tight junctions in between the screen. So the screen door, a cheesecloth. Yeah, very, very, very, very tight. And if I pour rocks on that, it'll hold it because the rocks won't get through the small

junctions. But when it gets inflamed, things spread out. And now you've got bigger holes. So the gut is always permeable. There's certain things that are supposed to do. Okay, that's what I was getting at. So, the gut is always permeable. There's our certain things that are supposed to do. Okay, that's what I was getting at. So, it is always kind of like that. It's not like you...

No, it's not like it's just perfectly sealed. Whatever, it's just, it becomes more permeable and things that don't normally go through the gut, start to do so in your body, built antibodies. And so, whatever you're eating all the time, all of a sudden, one of the symptoms is like, man, I can't figure out why I have good issues. I'm eating the same foods, like that's a symptom.

Or, God, I used to be able to eat spinach all the time. Now I eat spinach and it fucks my stomach up. You know, that's a sign right there. Or it could just be general, you know, gastroissues. Or your stool, really messed up. Stooled diarrhea. Diary constipation, those types of things. And so what you want to do is give it a break, number one,

which is a prolonged fast. And what a fast does is it gives your gut a chance to reduce this inflammation because it doesn't have to work and heal. Then when you reintroduce food, you want to do it in a very slow manner and you want to utilize beneficial bacteria to kind of help populate your gut or Dr. Ruscio said it just overall has other beneficial effects for gut health. And then little by

little I start eating more and more foods. Starting with the foods I know I can tolerate and then moving towards the foods that I used to tolerate but maybe started bothering you. So when you say that now I think of okay the fast much, it cleans out the whole gut. So by fasting to three days, if I can push that far. 72 hours is really ideal. Ideal, but that's hard for a lot of people. And I don't even do that. I always go 48 as well.

But even if you put, you know, the longer you can, the more you're gonna clear all out. And then when I go to reintroduce food, I'm gonna probably reintroduce food, I'm going to probably be reintroducing good, healthy, balanced foods that I know are agree with my body. And that way it's getting all absorbed and utilized and it isn't backing up or getting pressed through the gut. Yeah, you don't want to go all of a sudden throw stuff at your stomach that's going to cause inflammation again because now you've wasted that whole process.

Right. So if I went on a 72 hour fast and then I go run and get a fucking quiz-no sandwich with some of the, you know, lays, Dorito chips or whatever and wash it down with the soda, probably not a good idea. Not a good idea. So you might have reset your gut and then turn around and inflamed it. So what I do is I go 48 hour fast and then I eat one, then when the 48 hours is up, I'll eat a meal consisting of well-cooked vegetables, a little bit of some kind of a meat, and maybe a little bit of rice or some fruit, and then that's pretty

much. And then it's the next day where I start to eat a little bit more, a little bit more normal. The reason why I say 72 hours, by the way, is the current science demonstrates that in 72 hours, a lot of your immune system is regenerated. So what happens when you fast, when you don't eat is your quote unquote old cells die off. And then siphonum out. Yeah, and then when you eat again,

you've got this activation of stem cells that then turn into new immune cells. So if you have all this immune reaction, it's like you're resetting your immune system. Is it fasting is the only thing that we've found that actually has shown neurogenesis, right? I mean, it improves, definitely. It's the only thing, right? I don't think we have anything else that's proven that right? Well, dude, prolonged fast will shrink your organs. So you'll do a prolonged fast for like 10 days and your liver will shrink by like, I don't know what the number was, but it was

pretty substantial, like 10, 20%. Then you refeed yourself, the liver grows back to its normal size, but what's grown back are new. Healthy cells. Healthy cells. Which is, when you think of what's amazing and awesome, this is also why fasting is a protocol in all my clients diets, regardless of what your fitness goal

is, is just that in itself. Those health benefits, people don't realize that disease and these viruses, they attack the weaker cells in your body. So if I can do something in my routine or diet that promotes me getting rid of some of these old weaker cells in my body and regenerate healthy, stronger new ones, that just seems advantageous to my body. They're more resistant to disease. And that disease is. And really it's the older cells that are more likely

to become that attack you. So autoimmune diseases, autoimmune issues tend to get better when we're able to recycle out of those cells. Older cells are more likely to mutate and become cancerous as well. So, to me, it's just a great preventative way to try. I mean, it's not guaranteed that it's going to happen, but man, if it just means once a week, you got a restrict from food for a day. Well, some of the leading scientists recommend one prolonged fast a year where you're doing like a three or four day fast, or once every even six months.

Now, of course, you gotta be healthy, check with your doctor. And if you have like really bad stress symptoms from doing this, probably not a good idea. And the fact that we've probably never fasted that well. Let's be clear on stress. So stress is not that signal of you being hungry and craving a fucking ice cream. No, I'm talking about like hormonal disorder. So I was like, oh, this can't be right. I'm so hungry that ice cream sounds No, I'm talking about it's like hormonal. So I was like, oh this can't be right. I'm so hungry that ice cream sounds so good.

Yeah, and it's okay. I'm gonna break this fast. You gotta feel hungry sometimes, like real hungry. You know, not the craving time. Well, wouldn't you guys say too, like, that one of the best things ever for introducing fasting for myself was just that appetite control and realizing when you really need to eat versus when you think you need to eat because you've trained

yourself to like, oh, this is time to eat now or oh, I haven't had this yet. Oh, I want this or oh, I'm craving this or oh, I saw something on TV that sparked me to want this. I think that's been a huge one. You know, another way to reset your gut, if you're not a big fasting person, would also be like the elimination diet, right?

Yeah, you just do a full elimination diet and then start reintroducing foods and you do this over the course of 30 days. But here's my protocol that I'm doing right now because I know people are going to DM me and be like, okay, what are you doing specifically? So what I did was, I did 48 hour fast. At the end of the 48 hour fast, I started taking anti-parasite natural supplements, which are also antimicrobial. After about the third day, I introduced my probiotic again, and then at the end of the day, I take a little bit of activated charcoal, because if I am getting a die-off of parasite

or bacteria or fungus, the charcoal will bind to it at the end of the day and help me get rid of it, so I don't get these toxic side effects. And I can't, for the life of me, remember the names of the brands of the anti-parasite. It's a 15-day course. It's paragon. No, that's not the right one. Here's what we'll do at the end. I'll look them up and we'll put it in the show notes.

So you can see exactly what I'm taking when I'm doing it on Amazon. Yes, that's where I bought everything on Amazon. Cool. Thanks, that's where I bought everything on Amazon. Cool. Next up is Alessandria 21. Tips on how to ensure you are well nourished while eating intuitively. What are some signs that you may be under eating

for the amount and type of training you are doing? I like this question a lot. Yeah, it's good because we always assume people over it. There's a lot of people out there who just, I actually have a client like this question a lot. Yeah, it's good because we always assume people over, there's a lot of people out there who just, I actually have a client like this right now who has a tendency to not want to eat. I'm this person, this is why this is so close to home for me right now.

And I kinda know, I kinda knew better going into it, but to now see what's happening with my body already and to be tracking again and paying attention, it's very obvious to me. And I'll tell you right away, signs that my body was telling me that I was just ignoring, because at that time I was so focused on intuitive eating that I was like, I don't care if I lose some muscle,

but I lost muscle, I lost strength. So those two I think are huge indicators that your body is lacking nutrients right away. Or maybe just lacking calories. Yeah. Because lacking nutrients would be like stronger sick, like I'm losing, you know, my hair, my finger nails are getting brittle, and I'm getting all the, I'm bruising easily that kind of breath smells really bad.

Yeah, well, in my case, I wasn't losing a lot of weight, really. I didn't lose that much. I lost a few pounds and then kind of covered around this to 15 range. So I didn't keep losing weight. So my calories were up, but what was happening was when I was intuitively eating and I wasn't tracking, I was gravitating towards more comfort type foods or enjoying foods that were not necessarily nutrient dense.

And I was missing out on some more nutrient dense type foods. So my calories were kind of about the same, but I was lacking a lot of my micro nutrients from my greens and veggies because I wasn't aggressively going after that. I was lacking in my protein intake. My fat and carbs were fine. I was just fine on that because those were easy.

Those were things that I naturally gravitated to, but I was missing out on that. And the signs for me is not increasing strength, not in fact going backwards, strength wise, and then losing lean body mass. You know, then other things too, like fatigue. Like if you're not getting a lot of, you know, good nutrient dense foods, I'll start to notice that my energy levels

are starting to dip. You know, I think we should be clear too, like when we talk about intuitive eating, it's a process and it sounds like you're, when you say intuitive eating, you are finding that you were intuitively eating not good foods that are not good for you. Yeah, so I don't know if we, I don't know if you necessarily want to classify that as intuitive eating as maybe you were just eating

because I think the ideal way to hit, or the ideal place to be with intuitive eating is to make those choices, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but here's the thing that, and the problem that I had with it. And this is why I don't know how much of a fan I am of completely intuitive eating. I don't think in all the years I've been training,

I don't think I have a client one who is really, really ready for that. Because I even notice now back to tracking that because I'm aware of what I've consumed this far today, like so today I've had two meals already. Because I'm very aware of the protein carbs and fat that I've consumed, it will play a role in the next meal that I go to consume right now.

Where when I was in two-dividing, I was hungry, it was okay, I would make a good choice. Like maybe Chipotle would be an answer right now for me because it's close by, it's okay, I would make a good choice. Like maybe Chipotle would be an answer right now for me because it's close by, it's quick, it's easy. It's not bad, it wouldn't be considered a bad food, but it may not be exactly what my body is lacking or needing based off the stuff that I had before. Well, let me ask you this, of all the clients

you've trained and all the trainers you've known even, how many people could you say could demonstrate a absolute perfect controlled squat deadlift overhead press pull up You know those movements how many people would you say of all of the thousands of people you've been around where you could put them in there and It's like oh my god absolutely perfect controlled no imbalances no recruitment patterns look great mechanically. Yeah Very very very, very, very few. Well, yeah, but a lot more than that I could see intuitively eating for sure.

Of course, but my point is, the goal is to get the person there, right? Even ourselves, we've been working out as long as we have, and I don't think any of us can even demonstrate perfection in certain movements, but the goal is to get there. And my point with intuitive eating is, that's a goal, it's a very long goal, and it takes a long time to get there. And my point with intuitive eating is, that's a goal. It's a very long goal. And it takes a long time to get there.

I've met very few people who I could honestly say, fit the bill. One of them, we just met recently, was Paul Check, who I could confidently say, kind of fits that bill. I know I'm way further than I was before, but I think it's just a process. And I think what you're doing now where you're tracking is necessary to get you closer to that.

I think you made a very, very valuable observation and you're like, hold on a second, I'm making these choices, these food choices. I need to step back a second and make sure I get the right, you know, right types of foods. Yeah. I don't know, brother. I don't know if, I don't know if know if you ever get to a point like that where not knowing, not actually seeing and calculating

does not affect what I do later in the day. That's the hardest, that to me is the hardest part is, and I like to think that I'm somebody who can, I can look at a meal and go like, okay, that's 32 grams of carbs, it's about 25 grams of protein, that's about 15 grams of fat, and about 420 grams, four hundred and 20 calories, okay. And I can move on to the next meal,

even being somebody who can do that, until I like really look at it, you know, it's like, oh, I don't know, you know, this is where I was gonna go eat, but wow, I'm really under-consuming here, so I should probably go in this direction. I think now that you're tracking you're consciously making an effort to eat better period, right?

Cause I'm pretty sure you're not gonna eat, you know, eat Chick-fil-A or you're not gonna eat Chipotle as much or you're not gonna eat, you know, whatever else, you know, you're drinking spiritual in the regimen. That's it, because like, I wanna be clear with that. Intuitive eating is not this destination that you reached after a year of looking into shit. This is a long process.

Well, it's like having programming. You made a comparison to training and from a skill, but really, it's more like following a program versus just coming in and feeling your way through picking up some weights and doing some stuff and and you can kind of feel where where you may be like neglecting like certain things like I know like certain ranges of motion and certain like parts of my body are getting neglected you know based off of like how my body feels and what not. But if I'm literally like being disciplined and I'm following like to the tee, like a program in succession,

it's like, you know, you do see more result. Well, that, so there's a good answer. There's a good point, right? I think it really depends on what you want, right? Of course. Because if you look at, if I show you my before pictures, I mean, there might be a lot of people out there

be like, I would love to look like that. That's right where I would love to be. And if he eats intuitively and that's kind of where he's at, like awesome. But for me, I've taken myself to a deeper level of shape that I enjoy, I like who I am. I find myself more productive. Like I find myself with more confidence.

I feel good. I feel my energy is better. I feel stronger. There's certain things that I've connected to that level of fitness. And for me, to get to that level of fitness takes a little more tracking and discipline than in my intuitive eating.

Now my intuitive eating, I think keeps me a pretty healthy guy with nice balance and not stressing about measuring or weighing and the things that we've talked bad about before. But here's the thing that I have to caution mind-pumple listeners is what we tend to do is when we tell people that, okay, the ultimate goal is in two to eating and intuitive training and that's the ultimate goal. Then what happens up happening is we get a lot

of these listeners that, okay, we'll sell Adam and Justin are doing it. I'm gonna start doing it right now. Yet then they also have these goals of like, they want to be a certain place. And it's like, you have these serious goals. And then you're trying to figure out why is it, I'm in intuitive eating, but I can't quite put this.

I think, I think, I think this question, I feel leads into that, right? I think like part of it is, that's the pinnacle of like awareness of like your own body and like how to influence it. But like having specific goals takes specific practices put in place in front of you. So like weaving in and out of both I think is very important. Well, you have a lifestyle because a way of living for your lifestyle, which would be

the intuitive aspect. And within that life, within your lifespan, you may have goals. I'm not gonna intuitively train and eat if my goal is to run a marathon because I know my natural tendency for intuitive eating and training is longevity. Like when I listen to my body,

I'm doing what's best for it from a longevity standpoint. And the reflection of that, for me at least, what I found for my body, I'm doing what's best for it from a longevity standpoint. The reflection of that, for me at least, what I found for my body, is I tend to be around 186 to 188 pounds, around 8% body fat. I feel pretty strong. I feel okay with my mobility and I'm pretty good. But I'm not maximally strong or maximal endurance or maximal, anything. You see what I'm saying? If I have a goal, if I'm like,

hey, you know what, I want to compete in a powerlifting competition. Well, now I need a plan. Now I have to eat a specific way, I have to train a specific way. And they're both, they're both not like opposite ends, they're both using both, using together. Yeah.

Well, I think it's just, it's where you are. It's where, it's what your goal is. I mean, if you're, like I said, if you're okay, if I was okay with where I was currently at, then what I was doing works just fine. You know, but at one point, you know, I decided, hey, I want to be big again. Like I want to get buffed.

And I want to try and stay mobile, which is going to require me doing this. So really peer into the process of that again with your food. Yeah, and I don't want, and I just want to, you know, I think that's a lot of what we've talked about just recently about not being dogmatic, making sure that we have balance on the show, of course, when we talk about, so we've been talking so much about intuitive eating,

and you want to get away from them eventually, the tracking because it becomes something that you identify with, and then you stress if you don't eat right like No, there's also something to be said that hey if you have specific You know physical goals that you're trying to appeal the fact the idea of you not tracking not doing that It's kind of silly because to me that's the it's it's I mean what gets you in shape of science and math Yeah, and to be like unless you're a fucking scientist and a mathematician and you like are that, that intuitive, or that in tune with your body,

you probably can try. And on the same lines, I mean, like right now, I'm not intuitive, I mean, I'm not intuitive eating either. I'm, well, I mean, in a sense, I'm listening to my body, but I had gut issues, so I had to like pay attention and look at what I got to cut out and really look and see and plan.

So, I mean, it's all, it's all part of the same pie, you know what I got to cut out and really look and see and plan. So I mean, it's all part of the same pie, you know what I'm saying? B.W. lost in 1973. Any truth to muscle being burned during steady state cardio? Nope, muscle burn. Yeah, you don't get just burns off. The misconception is that you're going to do exercise like lots of cardio. And of course,

if you look at like distance runners and distance athletes, they're all very, very skinny, very little muscle and a little fat. And people think, oh, their body burned up their muscle. It's this tissue that's on your body, that your body taps into for energy. This was something that we all got more clarity on in the last two years.

I remember. Do you remember who it was, who we spoke with that i thought it was just i just remember so i have in the sepiphany and then like texting us and no it was we have we actually was a guest that we and either a guest or a book we read or something that i it was like this awha oh my god like this whole time you know adapted a marathon guy so this this actually occurred to me uh... so we okay so we all knew this so we all knew this actually. We all knew this before that because when we learned like basic, you know, human biology, we all learned that it's actually the last place your body wants to take calories and

nutrients from. We understood that. We understood that. I was still in an oppression that the, the, the, the, when your body starts to atrophy, that it was that the body was metabolizing the fat when in reality your body is actually adapting to becoming a marathon runner and it's not advantageous to have this extra muscle.

Yeah, that was your run. That was that text you were talking about, just because I was thinking about that. I'm like, you know, your body just, you know, it always adapts to what you're doing. And if I'm doing lots of endurance type activity, then my body's gonna adapt to it in the best state to be in

or the best shape physically to look or to be in when you're doing these endurance things is to have a little bit of weight with muscles that can perform repetition without fatigue. So your body's going to shrink your muscles, not burn them because you're not using them for calories. It's just making you more efficient at your activity. So you gotta be careful with that whole, you know why I say be careful? Because then you'll have bodybuilders and people who want to build muscle who are doing

cardio and they're drinking amino acid drinks while they're on the cardio. Like, oh, I don't want to burn muscle here. Give you the amino acid so I don't burn muscle. So stupid. Yeah, no, you're not burning muscle. It's just if you do a lot of cardio, your body starts to figure out like, okay, well, you want to do all this repetition. You've got all these fast, which muscle fibers.

Not advantageous to be super massive when you're endurance. No, I don't care who you are. You're more effective at endurance if you're lighter. It's just a bottom line. You know, I'm going to give an example of somebody I'm going to call a buddy of mine out because he's somebody who's an IFBB pro who I've watched. You know, I'm gonna give an example of somebody I'm gonna call a buddy of mine out because he's somebody who's an IFBB pro who I've watched, you know, train this way for a really long time.

And his physique really has not changed at all. He's incredible shape year-round. And he's a pro who's been on the Olympia stage many times. So he's a badass, but he just has not built any size to his frame. And I'll tell you, it's because he's a cardio queen because he does cardio two, three times a day, every day year around, on or off competitive mode or not.

And you're sending a signal to your body that it's not advantageous to be a big muscular guy. So the best thing he could possibly do would be to lay off all the cardio they does, but because there's this misconception. Well, he thinks he'll get better. Well, I don't know. I can't speak on what he thinks.

Well, it's a lot of people think they can get better. Have you seen Tori would wear it before? Yeah, great physique. Yeah, incredible physique, right? But it's been the same for like five years now. Like it's, you know, and I know most guys that are in the competing circuit, you're continually trying to improve and grow.

And I don't mean that as a knocker, a slide on him at all. He's like, he's fucking badass for sure. But I also watched him for quite some time. In fact, his physique was a physique that when I first was getting started in compete, I was like, over close to the same height, he's kind of an ectomorph body type, I can see. So I compared my physique to his physique

as I was sculpting and building. And then I kind of built mine and then kept going. And then I put on a lot more. He had stage like 180 something or one night. Yeah, he probably, I mean, someone like that, let's say you're doing cardio twice a day, like cut one of your cardio sessions and just drop your calories. You're not going to gain body fat, but you'll end up probably building muscle, right? Yeah, I'm not sending that stuff. Absolutely. And then there's another thing about that too, is that, you know, and this is the, I try to explain this to

people while I was competing, like people just tripped out that I did hardly any cardio, like I didn't do any cardio till like the last two weeks to get ready for a show. Like people just did not understand that and I was like, well, why? I don't need to. Like if I just walk and move, that's going to create the caloric deficit for me that I need just by walking around and moving around. And I can manipulate everything through volume in my training and through calorie reduction from my nutrition. And then when it comes to like game time, two weeks out from a show, and I need to shred every last pound, then I kick up cardio,

then guess what? My body responds like a motherfucker because it hasn't seen that. It's like, this is all new to it. Whereas if you're somebody who is always doing cardio, you're just like we talked earlier in this episode about, you know, hunter gatherer, right? Like they get adapted to that moving, moving, moving. It's exact same concept for somebody at the competitive level. If you are doing all this cardio in the off season, that is really silly for somebody who is trying to be to use cardio as a tool to get shredded for a show. If you do it in the off season, that's silly. And if your coach is telling you that's silly too, because you're just sitting a signal

to your body to get used to that. So then when you go to get into contest prep mode and you start ramping up the cardio It's not that big of a difference because your body is so adapted. You said now flip that the guy who doesn't do any Cardio and then also he introduces a little bit of cardio his body responds like crazy because it's like what the fuck is this body doing It's never got on a stair master for 30 minutes before but you get then you get those extreme people though who are like all I do is lift and then I don't move because I don't want a burning extra calories. So you're not talking about doing that. No, yeah, because you still want to be active.

Well, it's like what I say, it's always the opposite. If you're listening to this right now, you're probably, and you're this person who never does cardio, you probably could use a little bit of in your life because it's good exercise for your heart. And I'm not talking to you, bro, and I'm not confirming what you're doing is right.

And if you're the other person, like Tori who's a cardio queen, the best thing you could possibly do is to lay off of it for a while, quite a while, like a long while, and probably not put it back into your routine until you're getting ready for a show. Yeah, absolutely. There's a gym for you. Yep.

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