Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 535: The Truth About the Anabolic Window, Squat Queues, Pre-Exhausting Ancillary Muscles & MORE

Episode Date: June 23, 2017

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Big Top Beard Company (bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about pre-exhausting ancillary muscles, the importance of the anabolic window, proper setup vs form with regards to the squat and the largest animal they can defeat in the octagon. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, yeah, tell us! For about 18 minutes, we talk about Father's Day. We talk about what our kids think we do for work. Adam's Chipotle meat. What the fuck? We talk about the our kids think we do for work. Adam's Chipotle meat. What the fuck? We talk about the time I stole pizza.

Yeah. And we talk about iconic musicians. The best ones of all time, of course, right around the time we like music. I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad you brought that up. 90's Grunge. Then we get into fitness. We talk about, what are our views on pre-exhausting small muscle groups before big movements?

For example, hitting your triceps before doing your chest with like a bench press. Questionable. Yeah, not really a good idea or is it? You'll find out. How imperative is it to eat 30 minutes after your workout? Have you heard of the anabolic window? No, get those games.

It's a real thing in myth land. Oh my God. Then we get into what is most important when you're squatting, getting the proper setup or getting the right cues while you're doing squat. And we talk a lot about feet, feet, very important. At least favorite body. And then my favorite question of all time, what's the largest animal we think we could

beat up in the octagon? Find out if it's a small kitten, that's this biggest salcutitacl. I basically make the argument that a koala bear would destroy everybody I could destroy this room I'm confident also this month we have our summer starter packets everything you need to get started this is a final week to get that deal and save over it's like 60% almost I think it's like 58% off it includes maps and a ball like our foundational program maps prime which has a self-assessment

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All package together, all discounted massively. This month only you find it all at mindpumpmedia.com. Hey Justin. What's up? How's your father's day dude? I didn't even ask you how your father's day was dude. I know. How was your father? Well, I asked you first fine. It was good. It was cool. What'd you do? It's a lame conversation. Yes. Yeah I'm like fuck you guys I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm doing it. I'm gonna pick my nose good It was my wife had to work. This is like typical dude every single time. Oh, I got a work you sure

Nobody cares about the dad right we get like you know back It's like oh, it's Father's Day. You should barbecue. Yeah, like fuck you man. Oh, yeah, you bark you my girls family They're they they sell of the they did a whole thing like the men men went over to her brother's house and he's got a pool and the women barbecued and did all that stuff and the guys were just like relax. But she got him a new 65 inch TV and Katrina bought them all of the recent sports illustrated with the warriors winning and gave a movie ticket to him between and they made this whole you know the boys didn't do anything all day. That's nice. Yeah, it was a, they hype it up.

But I do know that, I do notice that a lot of people don't really do much for Father's Day. I got my guaranteed sex, so I'm good. Pfft. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah. That's the other time you have sex over here. Oh, it was great.

Yeah, it's great. Even though it was really quick, it was great. Father's Day, but I appreciate you. Birthday Christmas. Christmas. You know what, It was great. Father's Day, but I appreciate you. Birthday. Christmas. You know what, my favorite part of Father's Day is, my kids do this every Father's Day. They'll wake up and they'll run to me and give me a hug. That's all I want.

That's great. They'll run to me. Yeah, happy Father's Day. It was so funny because both kids, it was cute. They tried to create their own little card for me and stuff. And I got to tell you about my cards. So, you know, my oldest, he's getting pretty decent at drawing. And so he drew me this cool kind of like Star Wars theme

because you know, I like Star Wars. And so my youngest tried to do kind of the same thing. And it was just like a bunch of scribbles, whatever. And so he recruited like my wife Courtney to do it. And for Courtney, it's like a horrible drag. curbles, whatever, and so he recruited like my wife Courtney to do it. Courtney is like a horrible drag. And it was so funny. She tried to draw like Kylo Ren and Darth Vader. It looks like these like playmobile people.

Like, it was a, oh, but she knew it. She's like, oh, you thought it was your little. Yeah, I thought I was like, wow, look at, I was like, it's amazing. She's like, I drew it. I was like, oh my God, it's horrible. That's hilarious. Yeah.

So my daughter brings me, she's seven, right? So she brings me her card from school. And she's like, oh, bye, happy Father's Day. So I open it up and it's got questions on it. So it's like, my dad's name is, and it's like, Sal, and you know, and then the, what my dad does for work, and it's like, he's a famous YouTuber.

YouTuber. That's, that is awesome. Yeah, she thinks I'm a famous YouTuber. And then it says, my dad's favorite thing to do. Take a nap. This is, take it out, like, I was throwing something at the bottom. I was like, what are you talking about?

You do, my dad likes coffee. You do, call us, leave a lie. You are a bit of a napper. No, I don't. My dad works at the coffee shop. I think it's my son thing. He's like, he's always going to get coffee. I think he works there.

So my son did one when he was really little too. And yeah, I never thought to ask you guys that. How funny is that that your children probably just don't really have a full understanding of what you do? They don't get to listen to shows. No, and it's always like, what is your dad like to do? And it's always something that you don't want them to say. Like, my son when he was little, he wrote a card like this too, same thing. And it's like, what is one of the things your dad likes to do?

And he'll be like, he likes to fart and make me laugh. You know what I'm saying? That's amazing, that's like. And then when it's his mom's, like, when they do it for their mom, she does all the housework and she She takes care of me and she loves it. It's what's dad like he fart and takes naps. Yeah I'm like listen kid come on You just roof over your head. Yeah, we times. I prevented you from falling and hurting yourself

I know okay saved your life. Hey, I got a crazy one to have it to me this weekend during father out before we hit it out You know, I'm on my bulk again, right? So now I'm, you know, worried about getting enough calories in every day. So we're heading to a barbecue. I'm stopping to get more food. I go into Chipotle and Chipotle and my food gets fucking stolen. Yeah. So how's that even work?

Well, okay, so it's that even work? Well, explain. So it's busy, right? So it's busy. Because everything's right in front of you. You're like shuffling along. Right. So if you don't know what Chipotle is like, it's like you know, you're waiting like a short line

and you pick the foods you want in your little burrito bowl or whatever the hell you're making, right? So I'm, I get to get to get a steak quesadilla. So part of, you know, hey, now I'm adding calories into my diet, I can enjoy something like this every now and then. So I get a state quesadilla plus my burrito bowl and plus Katrina's order. And it's, you know, it's backed up. So the kids are running around mad, mad man, exchanging the foods. So you see this lot chaos going on here. And when you do a quesadilla there, they have to after they prepare it all, then they have

to put it on the last thing to melt the cheese and bread. I take forever some reason. So it takes longer. And I'm not the only one ordering in Custodia, so I'm like second or third in line to get his Custodia done, so I pay, and instead of like grabbing my food and then coming back to get, I just leave it there for them to put the Custodia in, and then I go sit down there like, you know, we'll let you know, sir, when your Custodia is ready, so I'm cool, so I'm sitting down and like, you know, right away, I write Instagramming and doing my fucking workshit, right?

So I'm getting on there and I'm sitting there and like, the line goes all the way through. Quite a few people, oh, you're calling their orders out going. And then finally the girl walks up to me and she's like, are you waiting for your kids meal? And I go, do I look like I'm waiting for a kid's meal? She's like, no, I'm waiting for a kid's meal? She's like, no, and I go, no, I'm waiting for the two breeder balls in the Cassadilla, the chips in Glock in the studio, and she goes, oh, I think somebody stole your food.

And I was like, really? And she's like, oh well, if you're not waiting for a kid's meal, then your food's gone. Oh my God. So they were like, Should I make you another one? They made me a whole order and they didn't even question. Like I could have totally been like, oh, throw on an extra custard here there.

They're just like order what you had and you know, it's all, and then she came over and she came all these coupons for some super stoked about. So totally didn't get into me. I wasn't no hurry. I was getting work done. I was multitasking and now I came up on. And this is how you take a negative and you turn it to a positive.

You just reminded me of something. That was easily kid. You just reminded me of those horrible. I thought it was a pretty smart hustle by someone doing it. I'm like, you know what? Go to Chipotle. I'm sure I hear I'm telling people to do here. Just wait.

You know, this is something where there's a kids of the year. Around five or six o'clock at night when it's hectic and the Cassadilla line is getting back to, there's lots of bags there that anybody can probably walk up and grab. In case the two of us go out of here, see that bag over there, like some of the to go orders and like, yeah, that's me.

Yeah. That's mine over there. And the breito, yeah, the breito. There's only a few things in here. Well, how many times? You're gonna get it right. And I mean, it's a chicken breito. It's a breito.

No, dude, you just reminded me of something I did that was horrible. That's been, it's eaten away at me forever. Oh, God. And it just reminded me of you. Get it out on therapy radio here. All right, I'm gonna make my confession. My very first job, this is horrible. I think one of the few times I ever stole.

My very first job was actually, yeah, it was. My very first job was I was a dishwasher at a pizza place. Horizon. You saw the infidelity in your face. That's right. I don't feel so bad. Thanks, Justin. I remember that.

You thought you got cheated on your wife. Exactly. That's all. Only if you're a long time MP listener, you take up on that one. I felt really bad because, I feel really bad because this is something that I did a few times is I would have my girlfriend call in an order and it was always a medium, all meat pizza and then she wouldn't, nobody would pick it up.

So it would be leftover. And inevitably at the end of the night, the, when I close up, they'd be like, oh, Sal, someone would pick up a pizza you want to be like, sure, I'll take that pizza. I did like three times, dude. I stole three medium, all meat pizzas. I think they were catching on to the same one

Always during your shift. Yeah, it wasn't some reason someone doesn't pick their order up when on South He sure they didn't have pepper chienes You know it's out there's like articulate. Yeah, yeah, I think it's supposed to be extra crispy crust actually It's like, articulate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think it's supposed to be extra crispy crust. Actually, wait a second, they first ordered. Yeah, they did ask for that extra cheese. That's what you say. I feel really bad about that.

I had my very first job. I did a good job too. Even if you subtract the pizzas, I took out a hell of a dishwasher. How much were you getting paid in washing dishes? So what's the least amount of money you guys made? Is that why you didn't want to do that? Legitimately, like, religionically. I can't be like, like like your dad gave me five dollars an hour when it was a so let me think because my first actual job was working with my dad

But I don't count that my was four dollars and 50 cents an hour. I think that's what I was I think I was making for 50 but it was cash under the table So I got paid on I don't know I shouldn't have said that huh. Sorry. I'm gonna spit taxes So I got paid I don't know I shouldn't have said that huh. Sorry. I'm gonna spit taxes up I can't go that far back ever Sorry I RS L.O. you like 50 bucks But it was 450 an hour straight narrow now it was under the it was under the table So he'd pay me cash and I say and I saved up my money and I bought myself a brand new

Mungus oh Mungus. Oh, Mungus, buddy. I really Mungus BMX. Of course. Are you kidding me, dude? This guy who likes brand, bro. You see, I'm saying, you don't like rad? Come on.

Can you have a Mungus? Yeah, I did. You're like the primo bike. I did, bro, and I could do on the Mungus. Here's the extent of my trickery. They're a wheelie with a bar. Do you front hop? Just a bunny hop.

That's about it. I could make it up a curb. Imp it. I could make it up a curve. Impressive. I can make it up a curve sometimes I'd fall. Yeah. But that actually that skill came in handy one day when I was running away from a bunch of big dudes that want to beat me up.

I just a bunny hop done a bunch of curves. They should. The cry to kid it was about you, wasn't it? Yeah. I was Danny Leruso. Oh, I got one for you. Did you know this? I feel like an idiot that I didn't know this.

The movie Iron Man? Do you know who that is based off of? Iron Man? Yes. Like the entire comic book series? No, like the movie who they use to base the character. Tony Stark. Who Tony Stark is based out.

Elon Musk? Yes. I did not fucking know that. Well, so Iron Man, they actually based it off Elon. Yes. Oh, I did not fucking know that. Well, I so I are so iron man. I actually based it off Elon. Yes. The movie. Yes, that's stupid. Well, not the like the character Tony Stark. So Elon is not like that. Elon's not an asshole. Well, all over in Tesla, I guess is they have all kinds of so I know that they call him that because he's a super smart, like billionaire guy,

but he's not like Tony Stark, he's not like this, you know, like dude, that gets all the chicks and he's like, he's kind of a nerd, like Elon's kind of, so we think, he's a super smart, I don't get me wrong, I'd hate it, like Elon is my freak and he's my hero, he's a badass, but he's not, he's saying, I'm flying everybody in the cars. I was being enlightened by an employee there, just this past weekend, and I didn't know that.

I've never heard that. Well, here's another little piece of trivia. Do you know who they based the character, what's his name? Johnny Depp's character in Pirates of the Caribbean. Who based that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pirates of the Caribbean was a Keith Richards.

Yeah, and then they ended up having him in like the third or fourth. Yeah, yeah. Because when they told him that he was gonna be And then they ended up having him in like the third or fourth minute. Yeah, because when they told him that he was gonna be the, you know, the main dude in Pirates of Caribbean, he was trying to dream up of what he would act like. And so he merely, he's giving like, a dreadlock.

Yeah. That was just, and if you watch it, you're kind of like, oh, fuck, you're ruining. Yeah, it's got the, exactly, he's got the dark eyeliner and shit. Oh, that's funny. I got to go back and look at some old Keith Richards stuff.

It was brilliant. Yeah, he just created that character. They don't make musicians iconic like they used to. I'm just from, yeah, they just don't. Yeah, like slash. There's like slash is a flea. Like who? Who could slash that look?

Yeah, come on, man. Big old curly fro and no, do that pat. You don't see cool as a crazy combo. You don't see cool instrument players anymore that have the right by definition of what we call cool right because you could debate our fucking you could you could debate our electronic up nobody's like more famous and like fucking Kanye you Kanye is caused more fucking shit and and and and and put us play instruments again and is like a is will become will be iconic whether we like it or not

Yeah, but what I'm saying is like you have a band right and what you always recognize from the band is the lead singer But there's no cool like drummer or like I'm on lights and shit to do all the hype back in the day like they were Characters I know you're saying like slash was a character flee was a character Neil Perth the drummer from rush Yeah, he's like fucking iconic like I can't think of it Maybe less clay pole from primus one of my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything like that now that you can think about? Mm-hmm. I mean are we counting like Maynard for me? tool still and people like that like I mean yeah, they it is old and what's crazy?

So talking talking about that Because shit is become me killing mean, kill the Clarkson. So if you've watched tool, since the beginning, if you watch tools, she's beginning to now, so like, so you gotta show him up this week, right? Mainer now sits back in the dark. So he used to be this iconic, it's about him. He's so goth.

And now he, now he, now he takes a spotlight off of him and he sings the concert, which, from a spectator, it of sucks because Maynard used to be fun to watch him. Yeah, because he is such a character But a part of that is his is maturity of playing in the band for as long as he has to not needing that limelight anymore And so he's he actually Intentionally stands behind the band when he actually plays. It's just you know that I That's crazy. I think it's maybe because you don't have as many like bands, you know what I'm saying? Like used to?

I mean, you do though, right? Like kinda. Yeah, I don't know. There, this is a false statement. But like Tommy Lee, like there's another character now. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but here's what, I gotta caution you right now because this is-

It's because I'm just, I don't hear any modulation. Yes, yeah. Right now some 25 year old kids are rolling Your eyes right now, yeah, and because they're all these names are flying through their head Well, you're the warp tour like a warp tour is like crazy now like I don't think someone could be more iconic looking than like a lady Gaga, you know saying like somebody who does shit like that so for us You're connecting to our generation in music because you're so disconnected from Jim lady Gaga's like punk rock now Pretty fucking yeah, you know who had a crazy drummer was Prince before he died.

I went and watched one of his concerts. And he had a drummer that went on a drum solo for a long time. And the dude, his hands were moving so fucking fast. I'm not exaggerating. I thought for sure he was going to catch fire. Like, he was moving so fast. I'm like, there's no way, like my arms would turn. Do you remember?

Now is the thing, I remember even somebody had the balls to take a drum set, lift it up, like in the air and then was like spinning them. Neil Perth, like upside down, like that was like a whole event. Let's watch the drummer just like, just like go through space. If you're a kid and you're in, and you're in the music and you want to learn, and you want to, and you're a drummer. It was great.

Look up Neil Perk going YouTube, watch his drums solo. He's great. He will blow your brain. He's a rock guitarist. Steve Ray von Dyde, so you know, we don't really have a guitar player to pick up the pieces in there. You got to put Tommy Morrison in there also from what you call it too. You got to throw him in there.

Great, one of the greatest all time from audio, not fucking, why can't I not think of rage, rage is freaking kick-tart. How can you not, you have to put him, did it not Tommy, it's Marano? No, I'm gonna tell you right now. Who was the drummer for Death Leopard? Oh yeah. What was the drummer? Who is the drummer for deaf leopard? Oh yeah.

What was his name? The one arm drummer. Yeah. He was known for just cause he had a, he's like a trooper. Well, now that we've alienated everybody under the age of 30. No, I hit.

Well, Tom Morello. I said, Tom Morello. I said, Tom Morello. I said, Tom Morello. I said, Tom Morello. You know, it's funny, just. Tom Morello. Justin's often correct, but then one of us will be like, I don't think so. He'll be like, I said Tommy Morrison. You know, it's funny, just. Justins often correct, but then one of us will be like,

I don't think so. He'll be like, yeah, maybe not. Or she'll have more confidence in yourself, Justin. You're right, a lot of the time. I know. Bring it on the bird. The confidence building bird. Ah!

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All while encouraging a lot of bearded noses on the boot. Buy it for yourself or it's a gift for that special bearded someone at Big Top Beard Company.com. My first question is from Craig Greer 8. What are your guys' views on pre-exhausting, ancillary muscles before training and area? For example, triceps before chest Usually a bad idea. It's just I mean bad idea might be a strong term, but you usually almost Well, let's think about that. I don't want your triceps to fatigue while you're doing the bench press No, I don't I don't think it's a good idea to to fatigue a support

Muscle especially one that works on one joint before you do these compound movements or before you lift heavy. I can, there are certain situations where I'll do this, but it's pretty rare. I can't think of too many times where I've actually had a client hit triceps before, you know, like isolate the triceps before doing chest exercises or work their biceps before back or anything.

I do it after. Yeah, so I was trying to. Well, the only place I see even thinking about doing that would be if I had someone specifically who was like trying to develop their triceps, right? Because it was a lagging body part or their biceps. So then we may do that. We may pre-exhaust the tricep for the bicep before you do that big compound movement. But it's kind of silly because it's going to hinder how much weight you could probably pull and do

Right, you know, so for example like taking you know bicep curls pre-exhausting and then going over to do a deadlift More than likely you're not going to be hitting towards your max deadlift when you're doing that So you're not gonna get the max benefits of that movement Because you've pre-exhausted a ancillary muscle. I mean, here's an easier one. Do some curls, do a bunch of curls, then go to pull-ups. Yeah, how many pull-ups?

How effective that is. But you, I mean, it will get, I mean, you wanna blast your biceps. I mean, I guess that's a, I guess if you had this great impressive back, but you had these terrible arms, like you had just, then maybe I would do things like that. Well, if you want to look impressive for like a couple minutes,

you know what I mean, that's the way to go. Get that arm pulled. Oh my God, my arms are good. Explode. I can't see. So here's like, you know, it's funny. I actually kind of do this with something. And I do this with my calves.

So because my calves are an area, I'm constantly trying to increase volume, and I'm always trying to touch them because it's a really hit them before everything else. Not always before. But what I will do is I'll intermittently do this, especially on days when I'm not trying to max squat, but I'm working on depth,

because one of the things that's helped my calves more than the else was actually really deep squatting. Deep squatting has helped keep my calf size more than all the volume of calf work I used to have to do before. So it's really interesting to see what's going to happen as I start to increase that. I'm just now getting ready to start

really increasing my volume on my calves. Really what's maintained my calves is mostly my deep squatting more than anything else right now. And of course, we all know that my calves are not impressive. They went from terrible to less terrible, but the point is, I think this is a time where I might use this because it's an area that I want more development. So what I would do is I'll go over, I'll pre-exhaust calves, and then I'll go over and work on my really deep squats.

So with my really deep squats, I know I'm going to get a little more of my calves incorporated. I'm not doing super heavy weight, so it's not a big deal that I'm pre-exhausting a secondary muscle that's assisting in this movement. And so for me, I'm looking more at the calf gains instead of the gains that I'm going to give. This might not completely apply to the triceps and using it for the chest, but like say like the triceps weren't really engaging as much within your chest press. So the same kind of technique, like we would apply for, excuse me, getting the glutes activated for your squat.

So say that's something. So it choked up every time it's like, oh my God. I do, I cry a little bit. And so using that as sort of a primer to get a sleepy, sort of a non-responsive type muscle to contribute. That's a good point, because when you talk about lower body,

it's a little bit different, isn't it? Yeah. And mainly because you don't necessarily see people having a poor connection to biceps and triceps like they would to their glutes or hamstrings. Or just not near calves, you know. Yeah, it's just not nearly as common. Yeah, yeah.

Like I feel like, especially with what I'm talking about right now, getting my feet all get well, because I'm doing calf raises, you know, you're waking your feet up. Wow, that's a good point. You're waking your feet up big time. Yeah, that's a good point. And so, and then I go over and I go get into a squat. And I mean, I feel like I am grounded more than I more than I would be if I were just to go and do my normal priming go right in my squatting. And since I'm not like I said, I would never do that on a like a PR chasing day

or singles doubles day. Like I'm not priorities are different. Yeah. But energy, concert, you're trying to conserve that. Yeah. But when I'm when I'm thinking, hey, mobility, connectivity, also, I'm also trying to increase volume on calves, hey, I might pre-exhaust my calves and then I go walk over and do this squat. So here's some muscle consider. So I've actually promoted pre-exhausting large muscle groups before doing a compound movement. So I would do like an isolation movement for chest and then I'd immediately go and do a compound movement and it really hits the chest really, really hard. You could do this for back too with like a straight arm pull down and do a pull-up.

Now if I flip that, like this person's asking and I hit my, and I'm trying to conceptualize this because I've never really done this. But I'm trying to imagine going into a bench press with triceps that are already fatigued and pumped. I'm definitely not gonna lift as much weight, but let's say I go light. If I go light and I've got fatigued triceps, you know what it might actually make me do? It might actually make me focus more on my chest to move the bar.

Interesting. I'm saying. I've done this. I've gone both ways. So, and I think. Yeah. That's coming out. That came out wrong. So, and I think that's coming out. That came out wrong.

So, it went in right. And this, it goes back to what I tell people, we are creatures of habit. And we could sit here all day long and talk about what's better and all this debate and talk is really splitting hairs in the grand scheme of things. Nothing trumps consistency and what you gotta pay attention to

is what you're consistently doing. So first becoming consistent, then you become consistent, then you learn to detach, have some perspective on your training program and see what do I do consistently all the time. Well, if you never pre-exhaust some of these secondary muscles before you go into a lift and you've never done that before, there's probably some pretty good damn benefits to that. Now, I wouldn't recommend it as a general rule because there's some, you know, compound...

You're going to be able to talk like this, you know? Crazy. Compound movements by themselves have great carry over into the secondary muscles like triceps. So when I'm doing a big bench press that is primarily for my bench, I'm also getting great work for my tricep. But if you are always exhausting the triceps, which are a much smaller muscle, you're not muscle group, you're not going to be able to get up as much weight, which in turn could end up hindering your programming over over a long period of time

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Can this limit be stretched? Anabolic window? You will lose everything! Window! Get your shake! The end of bulk window. What a great marketing tool to sell. I mean, the urgency behind it.

Yeah, like if you eat protein right after your workout, that is going to maximize muscle building. And if you don't, you're missing out on a lot of growth. And, you know, hey, what's convenient at the gym? Right after my workout. A shake or a bar. So, yeah, the science actually shows that there's no real benefit. In fact, if you really break it down and really analyze the science,

the anabolic window lasts like six hours. Like it's slow. It's quite a bit after your workout. There's really no need to eat right after your workout unless you plan on working out shortly again later on during that day. If that's the case, then you wanna replenish glycogen and stuff a little faster,

eating right afterwards. But otherwise, you know, it doesn't provide any extra benefit. What's your versus is on the digestive process with that, like, when we're, when we're right after a hard workout, do you think within that 30 minutes, do you think that there is a faster digestive process that's happening because your body is

still glucose depleted? Yes, right. Well, that, and that, if you stretch that, that you still would be though. So that wouldn't really change. I'm thinking more along, I'm my CNS is ramped up. My heart rate's been,

it's still probably beating at a harder rate. So my body's still working. So you're more receptive. Yeah, and I'm empty. So it's like, okay, feeling that, would that, could that speed up the process of digesting this food versus letting myself

completely calm all the way back down two, three hours later having food? What's your thoughts on that? Exercise activates the sympathetic system, which is the fight or flight response, the cataclysmic release, noripinephrine, epinephrine. Food is parasympathetic.

So after you eat, growth hormone goes up and other things happen in the body that actually relax your body for recovery and repair. This is why some of you after working out and you have a big ass meal after your workout, find that you may want to take an app right after your workout.

Because once you eat, you get that kind of, that relax effect. So I don't know if there's a benefit to eating when you're a parasite in a sympathetic state or necessarily, I know sympathetic state tends to be appetite suppressing. So like if I give you, if I inject you a norapranephron, it's more likely to suppress your appetite than it is to stimulate. Okay, so that makes a lot of sense here and the reason where I'm going with this and why I'm prodding you with these questions is because If I'm on if I'm like trying to gain which I just switched gears over this way, right?

It is hard for me to get enough food in so one of the strategies and by the way I don't give a shit about the 30 minutes. It's just as soon as I can get to it, right? It's not like this. Oh this window because that to me is bullshit and the difference between 25 minutes and 45 minutes and the variance between every single human being and what you ate before and how overall volume at the end of the day. Right. So, I mean, there's so many fucking variables that can make every one of those studies completely false or way off and there's too much variance there, right? And that 30 minutes exactly. So- And that was that funny.

They came up with it. It's like 30 minutes. Yeah, like just for a second. Just think too much. Just for a minute. That all the changes based off of how you slept the day before, how hydrated you are, how intense the training was, what exactly you trained, what type of person you are,

like genetically, like we're all so uniquely different. So to put a time like 30 minutes to anabolic windows, but just a bunch of bullshit. But what I do find, and what I do like the strategy, when I'm trying to get a lot of calories, so right after I train really hard like that, going straight to get a meal as soon as I can, not like, doesn't matter if it's 20, 30, 40 minutes,

just as soon as I can get food in, my body I feel like digest it pretty quick, body, I feel like, digest it pretty quick, and then I feel like I can eat again within an hour. And when I'm somebody who's trying to get more calories and for the day to gain size, I find that very helpful for me and beneficial. And now the reverse is true when I'm trying to lean out. Now when I'm my priority shift, when I'm leaning out,

after I get done working out, I actually try and stretch as long as I can before I eat. And that does, it's because I'm not worried that my body's muscles gonna fall off and I need to maximize this anabolic window. No, what I'm thinking is I've completely depleted the body and now my body's having to utilize fat as energy. So I'm gonna maximize that as long as I can

because my goal is to burn fat right now. So years ago when I thought this was true, and it wasn't that long ago that I actually thought this. In fact, I think I promoted this when we first started Mind Pump until I looked deeper into the science and saw that it was false. It was one of the last things that I realized was baloney, but I remember thinking to myself,

like what's the evolutionary advantage to building more muscle if you eat post-workout and what I thought was maybe it was a way of rewarding a successful hunt. So like someone just hunted food, they successfully killed it, and then they eat, and it rewards those people that eat right after a successful hunt versus those who hunt and then don't succeed. And but then when I looked into it deeper, it's like you just killed an animal. You're probably not going to eat it 30 minutes afterwards. You're probably going to take a while to drag it back, drag it back, clean it, or you know, I don't think that's the case. So I don't think there was any evolutionary advantage to eating post-workout. And again, you dive into the science.

And you find there's no benefit. The only real benefit to being able to process protein more is to restrict yourself from it, right? If you restrict protein here and there, you'll be more responsive to it. You increase your body sensitivity to protein is what they're finding. But, you know, this is just one of those, you know, myths that's pushed and promoted because it increases supplement sales. It just really does. I mean, there's a reason why they said 30 minutes and not six hours. I mean, 30 minutes, like, you don't have time to go home. I gotta go somewhere. It's almost impossible to make 30 minutes

if you, like, if you don't carry something. That's right. And so it's sold this this right here This the high protein in like eat a ton of protein intake and the small meals You know myth those three alone probably were responsible for more protein sales anything I can think of it's like It's a it's again one of those one of those myths Here's the thing you want to consider. They'll say something like Eat post workout spike insulin because insulin will drive amino acids into muscle. It's anabolic Well, you know what's inversely related to insulin is growth hormone

So you may get an insulin spike, but you're gonna smash down your growth hormone Exactly and growth hormone is also fat burning in anabolic and you do get a growth hormone rise after your workout or during your workout and if you don't eat that'll stay high. Honestly, I- It's a balancer. I think there, I mean to me it just makes so much sense, right? Unless you're somebody, the only way it's different, right?

For me, is if I'm really lean, if I'm really, really lean and I'm, all I'm doing is trying to eat otherwise, I see huge benefits in having a hard workout and then stretching out. How long I can go before I have to eat. I never eat post workout and one of the reasons why I do it is not because I'm trying to burn fat or build muscle, I just feel better doing it. I have energy post workout.

If I eat a big meal, I tend to feel tired and I'd rather not. So I just don't eat. Well, that's why I think, you know, even though, like, this isn't for everybody, but the warrior diet, like, that has made the most sense, you know, in terms of that, I've just based off of like, I do, I get tired after I eat a big meal. And so for me to time it a little bit more around,

you know, the end of the day before, I'm not planning any activities at that point, it makes a lot more sense to me. Well, I do want to defend though, and this has nothing to do with the 30 minutes. The one problem I have was stretching the meals out, being a guy who's 220. It is. It's harder for me. And in particular, protein.

And I've discussed this before that, I know I can't be alone on this. I know I can't be alone on not the only person that gravitates towards carbohydrates when he's not tracking and paying attention. When I am tracking and paying attention, I realize that I am grossly under eating protein. Grossly, with me tracking,

it takes focus for me to hit that 275 to 200 grams of protein every day. It takes effort to do that. That's with tracking. So I know damn well when I'm not that I'm grossly under eating it. So timing food and getting things in like for me, like that's where the strategy is like,

where am I at in my day with hitting the targets that I need to hit for my body that matter that that Trump's well and I think that's that's kind of the point like where people are seeing benefit is that they are consistent in their rituals of eating and it's not thank you the window of that is what that was a point I'm trying to know what they've actually created another meal time think about it and if you're in fitness, your go-to meal times are... Right, after work. Breakfast, lunch, post workout, dinner.

Those are like your, your go- and the post workout meal is like whenever you work out. And it's always, it's usually some kind of a supplement. But fuck me, that's really brilliant of the supplement industry. Because just like the food industry, the food industry did the same thing. They created meal times and then they created meals that we associate with those times. So we have a whole category of foods that, like you can't go, if you go to a restaurant at dinner time,

the odds of finding pancakes and eggs on the menu is very low because that's a breakfast food or vice versa. You go to find a restaurant that's open at 8 a.m. that's gonna serve you a burrito or something state, something that's a dinner type of roast beef or something like that. It's not as common. So, we're gonna start a restaurant

that all foods all the time. All foods all the time. Here's the last thing you wanna, it sounds very staying. Right on your kind of... For rice folks, I don't know. Right along the last thing you want to, it sounds very stank. Right on your, for right. For right. For right. Right along the lines of what you were saying, Adam,

is that people don't realize that food makes you hungry. Like when you eat, you tend to spark your appetite. Well, don't eat, you tend to lose your appetite. And that is what I, what I'm trying to get at with the right after the workout I eat, I then find that I can eat again within an hour. Now when I, when I stretch it out, I get great benefits of burning fat,

but then I also feel like my appetite starts to suppress, which is awesome when you're in leaning, when you're trying to lean down. So there's advantages to both, and these are little types of strategies that personally I implement into my eating. So I don't hang up, I don't get hung up on the 30 minute window mark

as much as I am paying attention to. What is my current goal? Am I heavily focused on building or am I heavily focused on leaning my body out? And whichever one, whichever one I'm more focused on would dictate how I schedule a eating. And if you're somebody who's like Sal,

who likes right where his body composition is, has great balances eating, then really it's about how you feel. What makes you feel good, and that's your priority. I like to speak to the people that are trying to make body composition changes, which I think is important to preface this whole journey that we're watching.

This dawned on me as I was moving to the bulk right now. And it's fucking hard for me to bulk. I don't want it, my body does not. And I think that's important for people to understand that, you know, I personally love to be 225, 230 pounds because I feel massive, I feel out extra large shirts. I like to walk in a room and my presence be felt because I'm that big guy.

Like I like that. I'd be lying to say I didn't like that, but I tell you right now my body doesn't like that. My body would much rather be at about 195 to 205 pounds and when I'm trying to bulk, I'm going against that. So I think it's important that people know that that there's these strategies, these things that I implement into my routines, that I wouldn't be following if all I was doing was intuitive eating and intuitive training and just trying to be overall healthy. So there's different populations of people

that we're speaking to when we talk about different topics. My pump in general is like a health wellness podcast where we're trying to talk to the masses, but there are individual variances with that because some of you have goals. Some of you are 180 pounds, probably don't belong being more than 190, but deep down want to be 230. Like I'll share with you what it takes to do that and some of the habits that I have implemented

in order to do it, but also understand that there you need to recognize that your body may be telling you that isn't also ideally. If you have to start to schedule things like this to get to a certain size. Well dude, I remember working out at goals. I'd see dudes lift and literally go in the locker room and come out with their tupperware and eat in the gym. Yeah. Because they had to eat right after the workout. I remember thinking of a paranoid. Yeah, I remember thinking like, you could just go home and eat. You're gonna be on the bench. Yeah, exactly.

Well, I used to see that in, that's very popular in our gym because we have so many pro competitors. And I used to see that and it was mind-boggling to me when I knew they were trying to cut and lean out. I'm like, wait a second. You're trying to lean down right now. You're, you know, 7% body fat trying to get even leaner. You just train the body. You're already kind in a chloride deficit, but you fed before.

You just trained, you probably depleted your glycogen stores to about 80, 90%. And then now you're going to refeed right away. When really you'd be way better off extending that period for another hour, two hours, not that rather do an hour cardio. Exactly, but not the post workout meal. Yeah, and this is what you would see. You would see this with competitors.

So if you're a competitor, you're listening to this. This is foolish. I would see them go to the locker room, refeed, because they want to make that anabolic window, food, and then go get on the treadmill, and then go burn for an hour. Like what? What are you doing? You're trying to lean why?

Why would you refeed and refuel everything and then go back like you just that just doesn't make sense to me. It would move. It would just boggle me and so this is very, very popular. I know that I probably lost a ton of people that are just your average Jane or Joe trying to get in shape, but this is a huge epidemic in the fucking competitive world. Bearded iron 25. What is potentially more important when squatting, getting the proper setup or thinking of cues

during the lift? So I wanted this question. And the reason why I wanted this question was I actually just had a really deep conversation with Katrina this weekend when her and I were working out in here and You know as I've been I've been changing her squat mechanics over the last four or five years and Rem those that don't know Katrina was a you know Division one collegiate level athlete full-ride basketball so she was always in shape. She had good mechanics

when she squatted for the most part, but good mechanics by standards of old training, that old trainers would teach, which is 90 degrees, toe straight, you know, right down to 90, whatever, I would tell you, but she used to be extremely quad dominant. She had these unbelievable, gorgeous legs, and she had a small butt in comparison to the size of her quads. Ladies and gentlemen, I would tell her that you got the sleepy butt syndrome and you're very quad dominance because of your squat.

So long story short, we've been tweaking her squat and she's got an incredible squat now, but she was just giving me a hard time because almost every time she squats, I still have something to critique her on. And I explained to her that this kind of a process and it's like a skill, you know, like a golf swing. Like, you're not gonna have this beautiful golf swing

the first even hundred times you do it. You're just gonna take time and time and practice and each time you're making subtle, subtle little cues and little tiny tweaks to it. And for me, when I told her, I said, when I teach you all these different cues, I actually really want you to hone in on the one that when you apply it in your squat, you feel the biggest difference, whether that be in strength or no pain or greater depth, whatever that cue is, and then focus on that Q until you cement it in,

until it becomes routine and habit. An example of this with myself currently right now. As I got deeper into my squat, the part that starts to default back to a bad pattern is the rounding of my upper back. So I lose that thoracic, you know, connection back there to where I can squeeze my shoulder blades once I hit really, really deep. So for me, that is the, I get locked into my squat. I've gotten good habits on my step back, my dropping, my dropping the hips and knees of the sand like those, those I've now cemented in really well. But

now when I get to the bottom, I lose that connection back there. So that's really all I'm thinking now when I'm squatting. I've I've moved on from the other cues because I've cemented those in really well and now I've found a new cue that I noticed the greatest change when I'm heavily focused on. Does that make sense? Do you guys how do you guys yeah as far as like what stands out right now is the major sort of totem pole priority for, you know, this is a striking sort of an imbalance. And here's how I can get this to contribute to this lift. Like, I mean, I went through the same process with Courtney, like being quite dominant

and making sure that, you know, all these checkpoints we established, but for the priority for me was like back supporting. So adding loader, back like there's a compromised position like in our lower back. So just activation of the core and the bracing component, pre dropping into position was was critical. So that's the, I harp on that cue like constantly with her and to bend the bar, and to brace, and squeeze, and get that connectivity, that deep core connectivity, especially when down, she gets down into the low position because at that point, it's like a lot of times you rely on your joints, and you rely on that sort of set position to then now transition and go back with the weight back up.

Whereas, I need that connectivity, I need you to be still responsive with your muscles to contribute to this. Because we're teaching them, you know, how to respond correctly, and then this is gonna save your back. One cue that I think can do as much harm as good, and this I just learned this recently,

is when you're telling people to sit back. You know, sit back, sit back, sit back, and after talking just learned recently, is when you're telling people to sit back. Sit back, sit back, sit back, and after talking to Jordan, Muscle Doc, he was explaining how, yeah, you tell people to sit back and what ends up happening is they get this, they go way back on their heels or toes come off the floor, which I see a lot. I see this a lot with people who are trying to squat right, not with people who are just squatting, but you'll see people sit there and try and do it right, and their toes will actually come off the floor, or one of their toes will come off the floor.

Because they've been told to sit back on their heels. Sit back on their heels, and what they'll do is they'll put their pelvis in an anterior tilt excessive. And one of the complaints that you'll hear from these people is that it feels like their hip flexors catching. When in reality, it's, well, it may be a hip flexor because they're going in such a strong anterior tilt at the bottom, the hip flexors contracting really hard to get in that position. And the second thing that may be happening is some hip impingement.

And so Dr. Shalow is like, look, just squat, like bend the knees first, actually. Don't sit back so hard, like that cue. You have to be really careful with because it can actually cause problems and I have 100% run into this with clients in the past where I say sit back and then those are the complaints I get and I see their feet doing the same thing. You know, where the toes come off. Well, this was something,

this is close to home for me also. So if you watch my old, and we talked about this earlier, right? My old squats, this was me. I used to sit back first, and I always thought, you know, I'm a really tall guy. I have got these long levers. So I need to slide my hips back first before I drop in.

And that's how I used to squat. And in fact, not that long ago, I was still squatting that way. It wasn't until I really worked on all my mobility, and then as I got better with my squatting, I was like, no, this is like a, I'm dropping in the hole. The only time really you set back a little bit is if you have a low bar squat, right? If you have a really, really low bar squat,

the first initial movement will be slightly back and then down. Yeah, and if you have issues activating glutes, it's less about sitting back, more about getting your glutes to fire. So, doing priming properly, strengthening those hip extending muscles, and then your squats and look a little more natural. The other thing too that I've noticed that is,

probably the number one problem with people's inability squat is their feet. And you know, I'm saying that now, and this is completely, how do you ask me this question? A year ago, I would have said, well, this is, this is earth shatter. I would have said it was all a doctor for us. Dr. Brink influenced on us. Well, so I was never somebody who was that. Now I look at people's feet.

That's all I look at. Well, so I was thinking about this. I was I look at people's feet. That's all I look at. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this right? So when you're a child and you're growing up, there are certain patterns and ways you develop that become hard-wired. And I'll give you, here's an example, like a child can learn several languages and not have an accent in any of them. But if you haven't a don't learn a new language, they'll learn that language, but they're always gonna have an accent. And the reason why is because the brain actually hardwires certain pathways that really don't change once a certain age.

It's very moldable. That's a really good analogy because that's very similar to biomechanics. Right, so if you look at our feet, unless you grew up in a hunter gatherer tribe, our feet are fucked up and they're permanently fucked up. Permanent, I don't care how much fixing and working you do on your feet. They've been supported, or old.

They will never reach what their full potential could have been had you done this as a child. I can stay connected connected as you stay connected Now that being said your feet will forever have an accent dude Like I'm telling a southern accent take your shoes off and your socks off and look down at your feet One of your toes probably doesn't touch the floor when you're standing You may have your big toe may be turning in from the shoe if you're a big person with big feet Your feet are likely to be really fucked up.

Pay attention to how often you see your big toe will have a big callus on both sides. That's from pronating. It's just, you're our feet are really weak and fucked up and that has completely altered the way we walk, sit, squat, like do everything. And so I've noticed for squatting for myself, like the biggest changes I've made

is through working on my feet more than almost anything else. And what I'm realizing is working on my hips as much as I had was really compensating for my feet. Well, you know, it's weird too, because like back, it was trendy to have all these like new cross-trainer kind of shoes and all that stuff, like, you know, going through. I remember like starting as a trainer,

it was like, oh, the fashionable Nike shoe and this and that. And like, it was so like, it's such moon shoes to me now. Like, it was, everything was so like, kushine and supported. And like, that was the game was to like, oh, you can cushion the heel the most or who could cushion, you know, the strike of the foot, you know, running the best. And once I actually moved from that type of a shoe being a trainer to just chucks, again, it was like earth shattering. Well, dude, if I put squat shoes on, which squat shoes will have a nice heel lift in them.

Like, I don't know how big the heel lift is on average, but it'll have a heel lift. I'll put squat shoes on, and immediately my squats feel way better. Like, I'll put them all squat down, but they but like, oh wow, I can squat comfortable now. That's a big red flag that something's up on my feet because it shouldn't make that big of a fucking difference. You know what I'm saying? I think just practicing that, so I squated the other day.

It's been a while since I, and I love to do this. So now- You went back and put your shoes on. So I'm the opposite now. In the past, I was most always squatting with my belt and shoes around. If I got heavy, shoes or belt are coming out and that was a habit of mine.

And then I would occasionally get barefoot or work on that shit. Where now it's the flip, I'm almost always barefoot or chucks or deep squatting and mobility focused and then intermittently I will say, yeah, what? Let's let's strap the belt on, throw some shoes on, throw some some guided help here and see what I can do. Fuck an A, bro. Let me tell you, can you drop me into a squat right now with shoes on a belt on now? It feels like it's cheating. I feel like I'm cheating. I do. I'm like, wait too

easy. I've had to put squat shoes, you know, the lift and the heel. Oh, I'm cheating. I do. I'm like way too easy. I've had to put squat shoes. You know, I have the lift and the heel. Come on Oh, I'm not gonna lie, man. It was like whoa I mean, I haven't even been training heavy and I threw that on there and I couldn't help but just I was like okay I stopped because I wait I was just piling the weight on each each set. I was like dude It's when's it gonna get hard as you see in the new Tran they're trying they're trying to make these sort of sticky souls that you can put on the bottom of your feet. I saw a couple of people tag me on that and they're like, is this going to be a thing?

I'm like, I don't know. I mean, the more people are talking about grounding and doing all this stuff with their toes, I mean, at least it's pretty damn gimmicky, but you could just know, like, you could just go around with your barefoot. I mean, come on. So you can, but you need to like, just still need to do exercises and stuff. Just cause you take your shoes off and walk around barefoot,

like your feet are gonna move the way they always move. Oh, that's important to know. I'm glad you brought that up because, you know, I know in my Insta Stories, I was sharing that, you know, I take the shoes off and walk barefoot with the dogs. I mean, that's just the first step of it. You have to be aware of how your feet are striking the ground because you're still going to pronate shoe or nose shoe, you know.

It's just, you know, you don't want to rush it either because like, you know, like, just going from that cushion support to no support. And so that's a pretty drastic step. You're going to, you're going to get hurt. Yeah. It's so crazy. In fact, and I was just, I literally had this conversation yesterday that what we consider to be ugly feet and what feet look at is so fucking skewed. If we look at modern people's feet, even ones that we think look nice and manicured, they're super disple-

And it sucks, because I can see it now. Now when I look at feet, I'm like, oh, fuck. I can see all the dysfunction. It should look like gross sausage fingers. They should look like hands like on the floor with spread toes and like new grapes. Nice pad of callus on the bottom. Oh my God.

Yeah, you don't want to suck on those. That's my worst night. But those are the kind of feet that you should probably have. So with hair. Quick commercial break. Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support mind pump. Here's what you can do You can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mine pump and get 20% off brain FM for meditation or focus

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I love it. I'd say a small rhino. Yeah, right. You know what, a small rhino. So here's the rules. The rules are. The rules are of course, no weapons. No weapons.

No weapons. No weapons. You have to be. It has to be. It has to be in this animal's environment. So you can. Oh, and they're environment. Well, what I mean is, like you can't say.

I've never been this in an arena. You are, but what I mean is, it can't say a shark and then put them in the arena in this watching bag. Oh, take it. It has to be in a lot of her. It's, but what I mean is, it can't stay as sharp and then put them in the arena and then just watch them die. Oh, okay. It has to be in a lot of work. It's a sharp, okay, okay. Scott, you got you.

So humans are weak, dude. In a hand-to-hand combat, we are massive pussy. I'll tell you right now, a fucking co-olabare could aggressively fuck you up very easily. No. Yes, maybe you. Yes, maybe you. No, no, wait.

Yes, let's get me like, dude, there're so lazy. They're like eating you can lift this Okay, let's let's worst of you Because I know you're I know where you're going with this argument because you claim like almost every animal could beat us And that might be you bro. I gear I know I guarantee a koala bear a raccoon a dog a dog a hyena I'm I know I'm gonna get cut and I'm gonna get scratched up. I will get rabies. I will win. I will win that battle, bro. I will choke a fucking call out for sure.

Bro, let me, okay, so first of all, I'll be going to you, first of all, Teddycat, is it all you could kill? No, first of all, it's not just about surviving. So I'm sure you could stay in there, cover up and, uh, win or it's all, it's win the fight to death. Do I have body mass on that? Win the fight to death to like a body mass on that when the fight to death

do you know how hard I will kill a fucking hard do you know how hard it would be to kill a koala bear to get your hands on it and hold it in a position to work keep punching it like it pill it while it's fucking clawing and biting it and just stop it do I would suffocate it

do you okay let me ask you a stop face it do you think if you oh curb stop it do you think if you curb stop it? Do you think if you and a 60 pound fit an aggressive pull pit bull and a fucking arena? Do you think you'd be able to kill one? Yeah, yeah, aggressive. I got I got a pit bull down too. No, you know, Hey, you can talk about what you can't you know, not when I was so arms We just have like this. Sal can only only kill a kitten. A small baby kitten is as far as the biggest animal that he will kill.

I'm gonna go out and say, I could get a... I think you're a miss, you're totally underestimating. I wrestled farm animals growing up. So I got a little background here. You got a professional here. Yeah, so I feel confident that I could kill a small cat. I was a rodeo clown, so. Yeah, you got a professional one. Yeah, so I feel confident that I could kill a small cat. I was a rodeo clown, so yeah, not it wasn't. No, dude, first of all, have you ever seen a bobcat

actually kill something in the wild? And a bobcat's not big, dude. And that thing, it'll kill you, but you will have a... That would hurt. They got clawed. And here's the thing, they will outlast you. Like you're stuck in an octagon. If you're fighting a 60 pound pit bull, first of all,

you're not gonna, unless you land a lucky blow. Well, what kind of clothes am I wearing? It's gonna be a bloody, I got like, steel toe boots. Dude, ain't nothing. You're in there, it's hand to hand, you're in a mowing cloth. You're naked, animals naked. Well, that sucks.

Well, okay, here's, if you're naked, I'm already a fuel bull. And the fact that you threw a pit bull out, okay, in defense, I'm first protecting them. If you locked on to you, it's gonna be tough for you to get off get them off I he's gonna outlast you dude and it would you you have to bite him back

That's the thing you don't realize as a human to kill these animals You're gonna use your teeth dude because when you're naked what weapon do you have yeah? You're gonna hold it down and try and bite it with your little primate pussy mouth that has no like But if I knew it's gonna kill me, so I guess it's even for all of us. I guess mind pump could only beat a small kitten. Yeah, I don't see it. I don't see it. That's what I'm gonna get.

By the way, I won't take a big dog. By the way, trivia question, what animal is responsible for the most deaths of human deaths in Africa? Human deaths in animals. What animal kills more humans? No, animal, not an insect. What animal kills more humans than any other animal in Africa human deaths in what animal kills more humans no animal not an insect what animal kills more humans than any other animal in Africa think of all like a you have

Elephant hippopotamus hippo by Bar room they are fuck super aggressive dude. I watched a video of a hippo. I just Just that you Knowledge coming back That's for Mark for L right there has tag Nat Geo I just watched a video of a hippo like beating the crap out of like it was being attacked by lions, dude By lots I watch same one and it was being there's like she was like crocodile It was like 15 of them and they so they in order to kill it kill one of them They do kill hippos, right?

But it takes like, like literally 10 to 15 lions and they're not always successful. No, yeah. No, hippo. They corner them at nighttime. Oh, he's crazy, right? They're mean motherfuckers. All right, well, check this out.

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