Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 538: What the Health Review, Carb Cycling for Fat Loss, How to Improve Squat & More

Episode Date: June 28, 2017

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Thanks everybody. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, Adam gets super controversial. Again, the bet is can Adam piss everybody off? Yeah, we're waiting to see.

We'll see what happens. He's determined. We talk about my new garage gym and why I like working out in garages and why the other guys like working out in gyms, what the benefits are of each of them. We talk about working out with Ben Pekolsky, one of the coolest, smartest bodybuilders

I've ever met, also a massive, massive human being. His legs are about one leg is about the size of two dogs. We actually measure redwood trees in my backyard. We talk about the differences in lifting techniques and training routines, and that's all in the 37-minute intro. Then we get into the questions. Question one, how do I improve my squat? Boy, is that a loaded question? Oh yeah. We attack it. Next question was, what is your opinion

on carb cycling for fat loss? Do we like it? Is it valid? Or do we think it's stupid? Sure. We talk about that in this episode. Then we talk about the biggest criticisms we've got with our maps, programs,

or did we get any criticisms? Here's a hint. I doubt it. Nobody says anything negative. I doubt it. Lastly, we answer a question, we answer the question about what we thought of the Netflix documentary, what the health.

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Did I get some heat for the girl question? Sometimes I hear what you're saying. Oh, Adam. And I just quietly allow you. Say it because you're allowed to have theories. Of course. You know, I told somebody. I knew you'd get heat.

Of course. I knew you'd get heat. And you know what? For as much heat as I got, I got the same the others said, like, oh, I'm glad someone said something. You know, so it's like, you can't make everybody happy. And at the end of the day, it's my opinion. And I said, listen, here's my opinion. Like I've had, you know, 10 years of running big box gyms. And this has happened to me not a couple times, not 10 times, but a lot. And, you know, the greater percentage were more situations where somebody was, you know, drawing attention to themselves. They were the common denominator in it. Now, that being said, that doesn't mean,

I'm not fucking saying that there's not a ton of people that the other side of the coin where they're getting harassed by some fucking ass. So, because I've had to launch that guy out of the gym too. So, to your defense, and this is in regards, because some people might not have heard that conversation. This is in regards to a question we had on a few episodes ago in a quaw

where a young lady was asking, she was talking about how guys are kind of following around in the gym and being creepy and douchebags or whatever. And like how she can prevent it, because she doesn't think she's doing anything to draw attention or whatever. And Adam basically said was some people do draw attention to themselves and then get upset when they do get that attention.

And of course, you're going to get heat for it because in today's climate, it's political climate. That's what's driving this, is that people will assume that you're placing blame or excusing shitty behavior. In other words, if there's a woman or a man working out in a gym and exposing a lot of their body, and then they get lots of attention on themselves and maybe it's negative attention. Maybe there's a guy that's like, you know Makes a disparaging remark and I like hey, you're hot or you know something really bad, right? It's not excusing that guy for saying that but

There's definitely a higher likelihood That you may get attention that you may not like. It's almost, you know what it reminds me of. It's almost like, and this, I'm gonna draw a parallel here that might even piss people off. But it's like saying, hey, you know, I'm gonna carry a firearm on me.

I'm gonna get a concealed carry permit because I wanna make sure I can protect myself in case something happens. And then people will will say we shouldn't have to do that People shouldn't just should just know not to come after you like look that's just the reality is if you are in a certain situation if you place yourself in a situation or If you dress a certain way or if you say things, because your words can do this as well, the likelihood that you may garner attention from people you may not want it from,

or that you may hear things that are, or you may increase the likelihood of some shit happening, it's just higher and that's just fucking reality. I hate to say it, but it's true. It's just the reality. And so it's not excusing that shitty behavior because I don't care if you're a woman and you're walking around in the streets naked. If you're walking around in the streets naked and doesn't give any pervert the right to say or touch you or do you think of course not, but is the likelihood that you're going to get that attention higher? Well, it's fucking that's reality. I don't understand why people get mad at that. And I think it's just the way. I think it's because a little bit of on the side

that she was the one asking the question, I think. And so it's like, if you're gonna assess that this is a question coming from her, like why is this all happening? Why do I keep getting this type of attention? You know, like it's just a logical conclusion to not just look at what your environment is but also look within what you're projecting.

Well, it's not the first time I've been asked that question. I've been asked that question many times, and I don't remember the actual girl that asked the question, so I can't speak on her profile. But typically, this person who asked a question like this, and I'll go through their Instagram, and I'll look at their photos or posting, and it's like, okay, well, you're taking, you know, your shots and your selfie mirror, half naked, bending over, showing your clam, like, and then you wonder why you get like, you wonder why you get all these perverts writing and not to justify what they're doing. I'm not saying that they're fucking not in a wrong or they're not inappropriate. Like, yeah, fuck those guys too. But you have to ask yourself at some point, am I drawing attention to myself? What would your big brother tell you?

Yeah. I mean, like, if you had a big brother, what would he tell you? And sometimes, sometimes you're doing nothing, right? Sometimes, and this is also true. Sometimes you're doing nothing at all to track any kind of, you're just normal, you're dress normal, you're minding your own business. This is a lot of times that there's just shitty people out there that are going to fuck with you.

Now, in either situation, whether you're dressed provocatively and you're saying certain things or you're wearing a t-shirt that says something that's provocative or that's going to cause some kind of controversy or you're wearing a t-shirt that says something, you know, that's provocative, or you know, that's going to cause some kind of controversy, or you're not. Both cases, it does not excuse someone acting like an asshole. It's never okay to act like an asshole, be a creep, or whatever. There's never an excuse for that. Just the likelihood of that happening goes up when you're sending potential different signals. And you may be sending signals that you're not aware you're sending, or that you're sending potential different signals. And you may be sending signals that you're not aware you're sending or that you're not even trying to send. So remember this,

what do you like it or not? This is just again, just fucking reality. Okay. And it's, people aren't perfect. So it is that we read each other both consciously and unconsciously based on signals that we get from that person. And it's everything from body language to whether they're smiling to the clothes they wear, their hairstyle. You're going to see someone, even for a split second, you're going to pick up on signals and your brain starts to make decisions on that person. It's been proven over and over again. And it does, everybody does it. Everybody does it. Your brain evolved to do it. You could try and be as conscious as you want to say that that doesn't happen.

It just does and it's just reality. And it can be anything, it can be your skin color, it can be your sex and anything. So knowing that, if you're in a situation where you're like, okay, I'm in a gym and, or I'm at a bar,

and I really don't want the attention from, you know, people. I don't want creeps coming on to me or whatever. So I'm going to try and put out signals that say, don't approach me. I'm an approachable. That will lower the likelihood. There's still maybe some creeps, but that will just lower the likelihood. Like, here's another example that I know everybody's not going to have a problem with. Like, if I went to a super ultra progressive liberal

You're going this direction because I was just gonna say I would give Sal the same advice if I caught you wearing your Capitalism shirt at a liberal rally right and you got you and you got jumped and you got jumped So those assholes no you're just wearing a t-shirt You're not saying anything but because you're wearing a capitalism shirt at a liberal rally, you could get some shit like that. Or more accurate would be like at a socialism type rally, right? Or if I'm wearing a, and I'm not a Trump support, I wanna make sure, say that for a way, freaks out,

but if I went to like a super progressive liberal rally and I'm wearing like America, you know, make America great, and there's been videos of people, now I've seen this like like dudes will go to a rally where you have the right to. You have every right to do that. And nobody has a right to fuck with you. Nobody can touch you, nobody can steal your hat from you,

nobody can be violent towards you. I don't, even if you use words, I could yell racist slurs and be the biggest ass on the world, but they didn't give the right to sit for someone, hit me. But if I go yell racist slurs and I'm around the people that I'm, you know, throwing these remarks at or about, the likelihood that someone's gonna hit me is much higher. Right.

So it's just reality, but in no way, shape or form, in people can listen to the episode 100%, no way, shape or form, are you making excuse for people acting like assholes? Oh, no. For people to get upset with what you're saying, it's this hypersensitive political climate that we live in where we are throwing away,

we're completely throwing away logic because we're trying to be so politically correct that it's, it's, it's, the bullies have changed uniforms. It's, dude, I read, and this is, again, this is rare. Right metaphor. This is rare, but this actually happened. I should look it up so I know accurately

what the, where this happened, but I read a story a while ago where this young lady accused this guy of raping her and then they went to court and the court subpoenaed their text messages and subpoenaed all these different things. And the evidence, there was zero evidence that he did that and all the evidence was that she made it up and lied because she didn't want people to know that,

or her parents to know that she had sex with this guy. So her parents confronted her and her parents were super strict and she's like, no, no, no, he forced me. And that was the way she excused it. She admitted it that he never, that she later on said he didn't. I apologize, but it doesn't matter. Guy got kicked out of school, guy got like, losses job, like all these horrible things happen because in the political climate, that's such a sensitive subject that even if

you suggest, or if the guy suggests that she's lying, for example, that he's got almost no case. This has happened with custody battles, with fathers and mothers. I know I just went through a divorce and luckily, both me and my ex were amicable and work together, but more often than not, the father will get fucked. If they go and go to court and they try to fight over custody

and all that kind of stuff, or more often than not, the court will get fucked if they go and go to court and they try to fight over custody and all that kind of stuff or the got the more often than not the court will side with the most in California in most states. And this is just this statistically true. And of course there's definitely you know cases where women get the short of the stick because of their sex and of course there's races and all this if it's just reality and sometimes we have to kind of accept it and not be so afraid of saying certain things because we're trying to be politically correct. At the end of the day, there is no excuse for physical violence. There's no excuse for threats.

There's no excuse for theft or damaging someone's property, no matter what, bottom line. But sometimes you put yourself in situations where you may increase the likelihood of it. Bottom line is I don't care what topic we're talking about. If it's a common reoccurring theme in your life at one point, you have to ask yourself something like to at one point. I don't care what we're talking about. Does that have to be this whole topic about women or politics or any of that stuff? Like if something is continually happening in my life that I don't like at one point, I have to self-reflect and ask what part do I play in this role? That's all I'm fucking saying. That's all the advice was it wasn't trying to segregate anybody or say that all these girls are asking for now. Fuck that. Of course, there's always exceptions. The rule of course there's going gonna be some fucking creep and weirdo that needs to get his ass kicked no matter what I'm not saying that

All I'm saying is that listen if something continues to happen to you over and over and over at some point We should self-reflect everybody should no matter what the fucking thing we're talking about is that's just my opinion That's right and that's it It's my opinion like if you disagree with me and you don't believe in self-reflection And you don't believe asking yourself-reflection and you don't believe asking yourself, what is the common denominator in this situation? What can I do differently? Then to each your own, go around all day long blaming others on everything, but that's just

not my style. And if you're going to ask me a question, that's what I'm going to tell you. Now, I had a buddy who drove, you know, the old school hummers, the one that my shorts and earrings, like the big fucking tank. They all shoe box. And he had the, what they called with the big pipes that come out, smoke stacks or whatever,

where he, I don't know what he would do. He'll diesel out. Yeah, and he hit the gas or whatever and frickin' black smoke would come out right. And he had big like Confederate, like a Confederate sticker on the back of his thing. And he was a cool guy, he was just very abrasive. But he was nice to me, so.

A little clamatory. Yeah. Dude would drove to San Francisco, parked his car on the side of the road, came back and his fucking spray painted and tire slashed and he was like, you know, and of course, nobody, nobody has an excuse to damage his property. Yeah. But he was like shocked. Like, like, what?

I can't believe that happened. Dude, look at the fuckers, like, can't believe that happened. How dare they, you know, and I'm like, well, first of all, nobody should do that. They are assholes, but dude, you're fucking drove, like, you gotta flag. Yeah, you might as well have like dead, you know, baby seals hanging off the back and like, you know, oil slicks coming out the back.

Yeah. You know, kill all hippies. You drove in the, you drove to, in your enemy's territory, of course. Come on, dude. Yeah. Some people just need some common sense. Yeah, anyway.

It's lost. Anyway, change the subject. some people just need some comments. Yeah, anyway. Anyway, change the subject. I had a fucking excellent workout this morning, dude. Did you, if felt, God, does it feel good to be back right now? Woo! It consistency, man, is getting back to it. Getting the routine of working out. Well, so I put a gym in my garage.

Yeah. And it's super basic. I have a cage. I have like a basic cable. And kettlebell it's super basic. I have a cage. I have like a like a basic cable and kettlebells and dumbbells and adjustable bench and fuck man. I know, I know Adam, you said you love working on gyms. I fucking love working on garages. Nothing like makes I just love working on smaller. Well, it's funny because you made that statement that like how pumped you are and like you can see the energy and the twinkle in your eye about having this like

at home gym like it's on bro. Yeah. Watch how much I'm gonna get ripped right now. At home because you have an at home gym and it's funny because we have this beautiful facility that we have here and I'm training the lesson here now and I'm back into my you know old routine of being in golds a good four or five days out of the week and you know what, which is weird, and because I'm listening to what you're saying and the reason why you enjoy the privacy of turning the lights off in your own gym. And I can totally appreciate it

because working out for me very much so is my meditation. Like I feel I'm totally in a zone. I really don't pay attention to others around me. I'm like listening to my music, my hat bills down over my eyes and I'm totally tuned into what I'm doing. But I don't know. There's just something about the energy

of all these other people working towards goals and all these different machines and dumbbells and kettlebells and tools. Like, and just everyone working towards a goal, it just gets me going, and I tend to have phenomenal workouts in that environment. I think most people are probably like you. Do you have a preference, Justin?

Whether I work out a gym or at my house. Yeah. Yeah, I like actually working out in a gym setting, just because I can disassociate myself with my house. My house is like, I mean, has different, when I'm at home, I'm trying to like be more peaceful, you know, and like, I'm trying to like pay attention to, you know, the needs and the family and what I need to do at the house. Like, I think it's hard because then you start like wrapping in the kids kind of like,

it's, I look at that as like a more fun workout versus like, when I wanna get serious, I have to go to a gym or I have to go in another environment. So we actually have that one family gym that's been really helpful for that because then the kids have a structured sort of play, they have all this stuff for them there in the daycare center.

And then my wife kind of does her thing. We start out kind of doing the same thing. There's two different squat racks. So we usually start on the squat rack together and she does her way, I do mine. And then we split off and kind of do our own workouts. That's been working out really well. See, I think, I think for me, the reason why,

because I'm sure I was thinking about this and it's just like, it gives me like a totally different energy. Like when I'm in a garage gym, and it's basic, and it's just me and maybe my training partner, and I work out, almost every workout with my girlfriend. It just gives me this different feel, this fire, this like focus, and I just, I just get this great feeling from it. And I think it's because the first, when I first fell in love with weights, it was in my parents' backyard. So my association with that feeling was with that. And so the first God, I mean, let's see, if I started lifting weights around 13 years old, probably the first two or three years was entirely in backyards or garages.

It was either my backyard where I worked out my backyard and I got real creative with free weights or it was in my cousin's backyard where I'd go when we'd go visit him up in Sacramento and then me and him would have these fucking epic workouts in their backyard. So there was that for the first couple of years, my fell in love with it. Then I worked in gyms and I always worked out in gyms and that was fun too. But then for 12 years I owned my own personal training studio.

And in the middle of the day, we didn't have clients coming in. So I'd shut the lights off, get dark in there, and then I do my own workouts. So it was like my own gym. Yeah, you reminded me of, I mean, we bought plates and we had a bench and everything else. I remember when I was in this house with these guys in college and that was awesome, dude.

We just were hitting it like every day and it was like so motivating with that. I think if I did have like plates in a bench and I had like a place to deadlift and all that, that would be totally different. I just like, you know, all I have is like kettlebells in my house. It's just so motivating. I mean, it's so fun. I love that I can take my time or go faster or fucking yell or do whatever I want. I love that I can work out my shirt off.

Just something about the feel of doing that. I can work out barefoot. It's just my favorite thing. And the other thing I love about it is I've, because I've worked out for so long with minimal equipment, because even in my personal training studio, I had cable machine and that was it. Everything else was free weights. And of course, when I was in my backyard, it was even more basic and my garage is basic. And I'm not gonna make it very complicated. It's, I get so creative with free weights.

There's a lot of different movements that people don't even know anymore because of machines that you do a freeway and it's just fun. It's fun to like change angles and try different things. And I even like, this is, I know it's association because I even like adjustable dumbbells. As shitty as they are, I love the feel of, fuck no. I know, right? I made a gesture.

Looks like a fishbone by the time you get like all of it off. Isn't that funny? So I, it has to be an association thing. But I would love to. Well, you know what, there's something to be said. Like I was thinking as you're sitting here talking, I'm going like, you know what? I kind of want it all.

Because for me, it really depends on the mood. Like even right now, we canceled the club one membership not that long ago, right, or club sport, whatever it's called now. And I was just telling Katrina yesterday that I want to go get it started again. And she's like, really? You have like five other memberships. Exactly. She's like, you have like five memberships and you have your own gym and you different

meaning. Well, exactly. And each one have their place, right? So I feel like, you know, when I was missing from club sport that we don't have is it's this very spa-like place where the steam and sauna, I mean, you feel very comfortable walking. This place is so clean and nice that you feel comfortable walking barefoot and naked around everywhere in the bathroom. Like I literally do.

Like I would just walk around in there and naked barefoot, just feel comfortable inside there. So you're not going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. inside the good slap road guys asses. It's just, it's a really, really nice facility has all the really plush amenities that I would, but that being said, I feel very weird

slamming 500 pounds on the ground inside there. The whole gym turns around and looks at you, so they give you like a stink eye. Right, so then I do like, I like having a private facility or another facility for things like that. So, and then there's times where I do, I want to come in here and I want to do what I love to do in our facility is what I'm doing a lot of mobility type stuff.

I can get on the grass and take my time and stretch and crank up the music how I want to or even possibly dim the lights like Sal was saying and kind of go through my, you know, it's interesting that the environment like in here even you notice that like it's a more of an athletic mobility movement like type of environment we've created But I totally get that because like if I go into golds or I go into one of these other type of Gems like you get that like all or even when we were with Ben Ben pack like you know just his gym Just it was so like I wanted to lift like that can we talk about yeah, that was a great gym I got me back in the in the the? Yeah. That was a great gym.

I got me back in the the the bro. He was the very body builder. He was teasing me because I said it was top three and I didn't say it was the best gym I've ever been in. Yeah. And I've been I know there's got to be a gym that I fell in love with more than that one, but I don't know I'm having a hard time.

I might have to give him credit as the best gym I've ever been in, which says a fucking lot since I've probably been in hundreds of them. And right up my alley, because I felt like it had the things that I would want for the functional side. Like it had the grass in there so I could do sled and sled drag. But it wasn't like the primary focus.

It was like there is function. Like it's just right here. Yeah, here's, yeah, this is part of it. So to me, and then it had every fucking machine and toy a body builder could possibly want. I mean, it was. Oh yeah, you could isolate a muscle of 50 million different things in that gym.

Yeah, every little muscle you could, there was like a machine for every small muscle. I isolated my sphincter muscle. Yeah, that's good. I'll isolate it. So I definitely, really, really like that. There's definitely a psychological connection, though, with the way it says, now we're talking.

I'm trying to think, like, what are some of my favorite gyms I've ever been in? And you know which one, if I think about that, there's one that stands out to me, and I never even worked out in it. We just went in there. It was the gym that we filmed, all the exercises for Maps aesthetic. Oh, yeah. Because we filmed, all the exercises for maps aesthetic.

Oh yeah. Because it's a nostalgia feel. That's it. That's it. I believe they shut that gym down too. That's a bad idea. You know, that was the, so you never worked out of that.

I grew up working out in that gym. That was my first real experience. Now I worked out with my buddy in the garage and we kind of messed around at the high school gym a little bit, but my first real membership was Inner inner sport city. That's what it was called inner sport city in Modesto, California And that gym Man just well, I feel the same about little tiny gyms like that with like beat up like iron weights and all that because like That's all I experienced well, but in every

Shepardie was one of your favorites, right? I think shapadi was probably one of your favorite gyms. I loved it, but yeah, when we walked in, that one place you're talking about Modesto, I never even worked out in there, but I saw all this old equipment that I hadn't seen in a long time that just connected me to my youth when I worked out

at the YMCA or when I worked out at 24-Fitness before they remodeled it on Hillsdale. They had a lot of that old equipment or on Parkmore. The 24-Fitness on Parkmore used to have all this old kind of like, and they replaced it all with the newer shit. You know what I really liked about Ben Pax Gym that is different than like, because it was, it definitely flooded with lots of machines and stuff, right?

But I feel like some gyms like like 24-of-fitness, they just put in the newest, most trendy machine in there, whatever's new and trendy, where I feel like Ben being, obviously, the level he is at, actually, every machine in there was methodical, you know, saying like, it wasn't just like, oh, this is the new cool, not-a-list machine, so I have it, it's likeical, you know, saying like he, it wasn't just like, oh, this is the new cool, you know,

not a list machine, so I have it. It's like each one of those pieces of equipment in there, like had a purpose and we're fucking awesome. Like a very specific angle to achieve this. Yes, yes. So that, I just truly appreciated that because I've been in gyms before, like, remember the, one of my favorite gyms was the gym and Reno that we go to.

Oh yeah. Well, that's just a monster. I mean, what is that like 150,000 for a gym for me for sure. Right, I mean, because that had like everything, right? I mean, it had the power lifting side to the ramp with grass to push a slit up. Right, fuck.

Right. What's the, is there a machine you can think of that you don't see too much anymore that you grew up using that you really like, if you see it, you're like, oh, I gotta use that machine. Pull over fuck man it's so similar I love I love the pull over machine the old not a list one they don't make them like that anymore you know what I'm talking about yes the old the old and you know what you know I'll

tell you one right now that I know you're gonna fucking agree with me on for sure I guarantee it it's a standing side lateral machine so So it's a machine with metal handle, metal bar, metal handles, and you do side ladders on it. And I fucking loved it when I was a kid. And if I ever, I never see it anywhere, no one ever has it, but if I ever find it. It's funny that some of these great machines, they, they moved on from this. Is that like up verticals? What do you mean?

Yeah. Oh, I see you're making fun of my side. Sorry. I went over your head. Good dude. Yeah. Oh, I see you're making fun of my side. I'm not on the side. Sorry. I went over your head. Good to do. Yeah, fuck it did. But yeah, I loved the pullover machine

and I loved the lateral machine. Those were two that I just, I never see anymore. That's the first one that comes in mind because whenever I do see it, I get so excited because I feel like only a handful of gyms still have a good pullover machine. What else though? There's other ones that when I see it go like,

oh man, it's so glad to see that. Some don't have, and the golds that I go to has this. So it's one of my favorite machines and why love there are two. So Donkey calf raises. Oh yeah, that one's hard. Donkey calf raises are hard to find. I love his exercises. Yeah. Shit that you don't. Yeah. Well, not all of us for blessed. I'm not a fat, fat, fat, I know. I'm sorry. I wish I had fat calves, dude, that I would, I would give a shit fat fucking cow. I'm sorry. I wish I had fat cats dude that I would I would give a shit about all those exercises. I know they're such funny. Yeah.

They're only funny because you don't have to build them. You fuck ass wipe. I give you that. You say it's like, I'm just donkey donkey donkey. You know, actually, I mean, I don't even know if you have you done cast before or do you know how to do cast? I had like one time. Yeah, that would be where you sit down have you've done cast before do you know how to do guys one time? Yeah, that's where you sit down you put the thing I hate people

You don't even know the name of it. What is it? You know, hey, you know what? Yeah, I don't do that. You know what's funny though is going to Ben Pax Jim and using all these machines here comes and Justin is like I'm like a fish out of water. He's like what is all this machine? What the fuck is this you guys are trying I couldn't even get like the right hand position. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to do. You know, you got to squeeze them to say,

I, you know, though, I have to give you. Because you're such a movement guy. I have to give you kudos though, on keeping your cool and allowing Ben to critique you. I mean, I know that, and talk about, you know, this, and this happens a lot, especially with trainers, we all have egos, it just comes with the territory. And when trainers try and tell other trainers what to do, it is the funniest thing ever

to watch because it is like nails in the chalkboard and it's like, you have some self-awareness that if you are an educated, fitness professional and you're talking to another educated, fitness professional, that you want them to ask you for help if you're gonna give any whatsoever. I've all the years that we've all- That's a new real simple. We have all worked together.

We couldn't all be more different. We all have our own style, we have our own opinion on things, and I still would never come over and tell one of you had to do an exercise because I perform it differently. Unless you ask me, if now you said, hey, how's my technique? Yeah, which I've definitely done. I think with you guys before, if I'm doing a compound movement, I said, hey, tell me, what do I look like? You know, critique me and my hips coming up too fast with that. And then I'm asking for it. And I will do

that with each other. Right. Especially if it's a new movement or something like that. you know, critique me and my hips coming up too fast with that. And then I'm asking for it. And I will do that with each other. Right. Especially if it's a new movement or something like that. You know, but, but watching Ben critique Justin on his mechanic on the machine, I thought it was hilarious. Well, it's totally, it's totally, like you, Justin is a movement performance. Like he trains movements, period, end of story. It's moving away.

He's figuring out how to do it in the most efficient way with the best form to minimize injury and to generate force. Right. And if you're doing a press and you're pressing above your head, what you're thinking is, how can I press this weight being stable, being strong, generating force?

You're not thinking, how can I feel this the most? Yes, I'm not seeing a house. In my knees, my deltt and then get this to respond. Which like we'll probably do a whole episode at some point on the difference between the two because it's, there's a bit of a debate. It's just different. It's just different.

It's just like have you ever taken a body builder and had them do just like push a sled or some kind of a function movement and watch them isolate muscles. I've seen bodybuilders do a deadlift and they're like hitting their lats. They're trying to squeeze their lats with a deadlift and I was like, no, it's a deadlift.

Just fucking lifted, it's not an isolation movement. Well, you know, I think it's, there's no wrong or right. And I've been plenty of times where I've been lifting with Justin for years and we've lifted side by side and I've never once critiqued that and I've been plenty of times where I've been lifting with Justin for years and we've lifted side by side And I've never once critiqued that and I've been well aware of that I mean, we when if you watch him bench press and you watch me bench press it looks like two different Different yeah, it looks like two different exercises and it's not my ways right his ways wrong

It's like that's how he trains and it's for him He's he's looking for something out of that movement more than a certain way, and I'm looking for something out of it. Which I think is a good topic is actually that there is. I think we always want to get in these camps of what's right or wrong, and everything has its place. I think the important thing is where I try and come at people is to understand why you're doing that. If you're going to do something a certain way, just understand your desired outcome there. A lot of times

people's process that they choose doesn't match their true desired outcome. It's like, oh, my goal is to build this or do that. But then I'm training a certain way. It's like, well, you could do that. I'm not saying there's something wrong with that process. It's just that if that's your desired outcome, that may not be the best approach for that. So there's definitely validity, both. You'll find the most effective people in a given modality or whatever, tend to be also the most open-minded and will take what works from different methods and they'll apply it to themselves.

And you're doing yourself a huge disservice by being so close-minded that you don't even consider that there may be a validity is something that's so different from what you're doing. You know, the Gracie family, okay, we know about the Gracies because they're Jiu-Jitsu guys. I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. The Gracie family who kind of pioneered Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or changed the judo that they learned from the Japanese instructors and kind of modified it for their own use,

what has changed a lot since the, you know, since Helio Gracie was doing Jiu-Jitsu. One of the first family members to really reach out and learn different things who's also regarded as one of the best grapplers of that time. If you ask any of the Gracies, you ask Hicks and her hoist or, you know, or, you know, Helio before he passed away, who the best, who the best Jitsu guy was,

and they'll talk about Holes Gracie, R-O-L-L-S Gracie. A lot of people don't know who he is. He died at a rather young age, but when he was training, he was like the best Gracie besides Hixen. And the reason why he was so good, was he was a Brazilian Jitsu guy that trained, would go to train Sombo with the with the Russian fighters and he would go train judo with the judo fighters and he'd go do some American wrestling. Then he would go

do like all these different, you know, he tried catch wrestling, which is an American style of wrestling and he'd go and he'd learn all these different techniques and then he'd bring it back and he'd like dominate his opponents and it wasn't because he went he wasn't the guy I said oh Russian Sombo Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is better than that and you know he may be right he may be wrong But let's say they go one-on-one Jiu-Jitsu guy Sombo guy the Jiu-Jitsu guy might win But that doesn't mean that there isn't something you can learn from it and in training It's the same way so if you're a movement guy and you're just focused on power

You may there may be some benefit from focusing on you know isolating a muscle here and it's the same way. So if you're a movement guy and you're just focused on power, you may, there may be some benefit from focusing on, you know, isolating a muscle here in a month. Not may. Not may, 100% there is. Well, I just talked about this the other day that, somebody actually you'd agree with. I'm just trying to open people's minds.

I know, I know. But I'm passionate about this because this is something that you always find me doing is moving in and out. Like, I think that there's huge benefits to moving in and out of different modalities and ways of training. I think for the majority of people have a get caught in training a certain way because let's be honest, we like it. And there's nothing wrong with that either, though, right?

So I try to explain this to people too, that listen, if you love the way you train, like you have like a rep range and sets or a workout that you love, and it's like therapeutic for you, and you're in the shape you wanna be in, and like, dude, by all means, fucking train that way every day of your life, if you like.

And who cares if there's more benefits of doing other things, you enjoy that, and if you enjoy that, then go for it. But if you are looking for change, and you want your body to change, which I think a lot of people are in searching for, if that is what you're in search of, then one of the best things you could possibly do is to weave in and out of different modalities,

programs, and ways of training. I just think that with fitness, you've got like the bodybuilders, the crossfitters, the power lifters, the Olympic lifters, the marathon runners. Yeah, and everybody, you know, marathon runners, right? That's not even in the state of it. It's a totally different category.

It's all people moving, you know what I'm saying? And I think if we're more inclusive and more like, you know, if I'm a bodybuilder and I run into a distance runner rather than kind of talking shit or whatever, like, oh, this is awesome. Let's talk about how we like to move. And is there some benefit that I may learn

from how you train? There may be. And I say there may be because I don't want to be so like You know, I don't want to tell people like for sure because then that might turn people up just be open-minded to it You would be you would be surprised at how many different things you could learn I like to completely do a 180. It's it's just kind of introducing those those techniques and those concepts and Applying them into your program to to benefit what you're currently doing. Because obviously the principle of specificity applies to very specific pursuits. But at the same time, you can benefit those pursuits

by introducing other modalities to experience for a while to break the monotony of it. But then you go right back to the skills and the training that's specific to what you're trying to achieve. It's going to benefit it. It just depends on the right dosage. You know what this reminds me of, that this is the final three days to get the best program in the fucking world. Final three days left to get our starter kit. Oh right, yeah. With the maps and a ball, and we'll put in the prime, we put the nutrition survival guide, and then access to the forum.

Yeah, that's definitely our best, I'd say, way to get started. Maps and a ball is extremely effective just for overall strength. And a lot of the building of that program, you know, it's like somebody was asking the other day about, you know, like, oh, well, you know, is, you know, is this the best way to do do? Well what we did was we took our experience and what we thought a majority of people

There will always be exception to rule if somebody already trains like this very very consistently And this is their programming like if you open it up you're like oh my god Is identical to this identical to what I do well then you know You're you're gonna get less benefit But what we did was we knew that what's being put out there in magazines, what most people are following from BodyBillion.com or what the latest greatest Instagram star is saying we're saying, listen,

here's a collection of things that big rocks that we know a lot of people are missing. And here's how you organize those big rocks to get the most bang for your buck. And so we knew that a majority of people are gonna greatly benefit from programming this way. So that's really the science behind it that makes it so special in comparison to other programs.

And there's a reason why we have so many maps, programs, again, there's so much your body can benefit from training in different ways. And our goal is to keep bringing more and more variety and be able to elicit different adaptations so that at the end of the day, you can kind of take your body where you want. And it's a lifelong thing.

And if you're working out for 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 years, which would be amazing, you're gonna go through cycles of training, you should go through cycles of training in different ways. Otherwise, you're gonna hurt yourself or you're gonna get bored and you're gonna go through cycles of training. You should go through cycles of training different ways. Otherwise, you're gonna hurt yourself or you're gonna get bored and you're gonna stop. Yeah. Did I get that right, Doug? Is it three days left for the start?

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It depends on what is preventing your squat through the old it depends. Yeah, so so I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole because if I do then you're not going to get a straight answer And it depends is like a piss people off because they kind of want to hear like a general like what can I do? Well, I want to start with you know driving this person to the mind pump TV on YouTube So we little and I know I mentioned this on the forum, I didn't mention this on the podcast. So part of why I wanted to do this was so I could mention this on the show. So we have almost I think 300 videos now on Mind Pump TV. And it would take somebody a long time to probably sit down and go through. So what Doug

has done is actually created playlist. So when you go on the home screen of the You Mind Pump TV, there's actually a tab at the top that says, playlists, if you hit playlists, then you could scroll down and he's organized all the videos on topics. And there happens to be a, I think, a 10-part series of videos that are all about three or five minutes long. So, you know, literally a good 45 minutes

to an hour's worth of information regarding the squat. And it's how to squat like a pro and We break down all types of different movements to help prime the body and get it ready now the reason why we we picked those movements it's not to say that there's not other things to help you squat Where these were a lot of areas that we know that people suffer from like in balances or poor connectivity poor pathways. And so it was a collection of movements that we all agreed would really help improve someone's squat.

So that's not to be said, or it's not to say that they're the perfect exercises or moves for you, but a majority of people tend to break down in a few areas, in my opinion, right? So in my years of training, I've seen people are limited by their ankle mobility, they're limited by their hip mobility and their thoracic mobility. Those tend to be the three main areas that I see people right now. There's of course a plethora of all kinds of other things that could be going on with somebody's squat,

but in my experience, those are the three areas that I see the most. Yeah, I would 100% agree. If you have to base the three, yeah. I would 100% agree. So of course, number one, we're always gonna say, work on mobility and correct muscle imbalances. Unfortunately, because we're on a podcast,

we can't be specific, because what one person's thoracic issues may look like may require different movements than what someone else's thoracic. Explain that too. I mean, the fact that we, I think we, I want to simplify this as much as we possibly can. So by thoracic mobility, I mean,

what happens to people is when they get down in a squat. Typically, it's an over rounding. Yes, they round and they collapse forward. And that's because 90% of your day is spit in that position. We're doing things that we're driving in front of us. We're riding on paper in front of us. We're talking with our hands in front of us. So it rounds the body forward.

So of course, naturally, when you do a movement that's challenging like a squat, especially if it's loaded, and you get down really deep, the areas where you have the least connection in the area, the thoracic area, we're talking about, the ability to take those shoulders and keep those shoulders peeled back when you get down in that squat, they tend to collapse and roll forward,

which is setting you up for potential injury, or just not even feeling the movement correctly, then it starts to bother your knees, or your neck, or your shoulders, and you're not feeling it where you should. Yeah, so, I mean, number one, kind of perfect the squat, perfect how it feels. You should feel comfortable in it, you should feel tight,

you should feel stable. If you have access to videos, you can watch our videos, and you'll kind of see what squats should kind of generally work. Yeah, well, that's the first real issue is to understand, you know, what yours specifically looks like. So a lot of times this will even take like, I suggest like going to a personal trainer, somebody that's like has a very good assessing eye that can

articulate like what specifically is going on with you. And so this is something that we've actually done with, with people coming into the forum, and then they want to actually get some feedback. Because a lot of times, you don't really see, you understand the concepts, but when you go to apply them, you're still having the same issues,

and you don't really see yourself from a critical eye as somebody looking outside in. So. And you know, here's something that kind of blew my mind a little bit. We were talking to Dr. Jordan Schallow the other day. We had an interview with him. And he was saying how terrible of a cue it was to tell people to sit back with their squats,

which is something everybody says. Yeah, that was some great knowledge bomb. And when he explained it, it made a lot of sense because if you're telling someone to sit back what they're probably going to do is they're going to anteriorly tilt their pelvis in a very strong way, which means they're going to shorten and contract their hip flexors and shorten their erector spename muscles of the lower back. And you'll see this when they're squatting because their toes will want to come off the floor. They'll feel like they're falling back and sometimes they'll feel hip impingement. So what he said for those people is don't try to sit back.

Bend your knees first, embrace your core. It's funny because my girlfriend actually sometimes has this issue. I change the cues, boom, I fix her squat right away. Learning to break it. So now you go there and then I have to challenge. We just had someone to post of their squat on the forum. And I thought it looked really good. But you know, what I noticed was he was kind of sitting back

the same way too. And he wasn't breaking at the knees at the same time. Now typically people that do that, I find they don't have a lot of ankle mobility. They their knees don't have a lot of room to travel. And I think there's some general rules too that hopefully I can help some people out with one is that the taller you are, this tends to be a more common issue, right?

So when I get really tall people, either women that are above 5, 8, 5, 9, men that are above six foot when they squat, they don't have a lot of travel with their knees going over their toes. And so they end up having to sit back and then it arches their low back. So, you know, working on the ankle mobility

is gonna help you get down in good depth and allow you to break it the knees and the hips at the same time. Cause if you break it the knees and the hips at the same time, what ends up happening if you don't have good ankle mobility then you end up like stopping at a certain- And then you just do like a good morning squat.

You're right. Exactly. You know squats like that? Lane. Yes. Lane Norton squats a lot like that. He's got a lot of forward bend in his squat, which is why when we interviewed him,

he said how wearing a weight belt adds so much to a squat because he's so, you know, low back, his low back plays such a big role in a squat. And since you call him out on that i i i feel like the way squad no i think i should share this because lane well initially was somebody who helped me improve my squad he did a squat video

a long time ago and i know jordan kind of ripped into them about some of his stuff but it there was some good takeaways that i got from his squad that allowed me to progress my squat. But what I found was I was modifying my squat instead of addressing the mobility issues that I had. So you were just getting good at compinence. Exactly. So Lane helped me get a better squat, but what he really did was he kind of helped me cheat my imbalances that I already had and I didn't realize that later until I had someone like Justin Brink break down my mobility, my connection to my feet and my ankle mobility

and then it really opened my eyes up that hey I can squat as to grass if I put the work into all these areas that I need to address. Now my squat looks fucking completely different. Now I'm gonna put my hair in a feels better. Well, so speaking of Dr. Brink too, so like in Maps Prime, like this is a, why we have a stick, we have a dow bar that we use to assess like our contact points

when we go down into the squat. So you can kind of see where the breaking points are. And you know, for me, like to get that nodule on the back and kind of keep where the breaking points are. And for me, like, to get that nodule on the back and kind of keep my head from going forward. So that's something I have to constantly consider and think about a lot because I tend to want to come forward with my head and get that forward head and that's bad on my cervical spine.

And so I'm trying to work on that part of it. Now I'm also connecting between my shoulder blades with with the stick I'm connecting down here You know the tailbone and just having those That that constant feedback so I have that feedback of just touch I can really self-assess so that that's what one thing you know because I mentioned you know other people in the form kind of Critically looking at this, but like if you if you want to just get going with this and figure out whether or not you're you're in a good angle or, you know, if your shoulders are in fact, you know, protracting as you're coming down. You know, all these things like you can actually take a stick and just do that and keep your arms back and we have that, you know, highlighted in the program. So I wanna add one thing though,

here's some good takeaways for improving your squats. Let's just say you've got good form, you don't have any major imbalances, you've got a decent squat. Now, how do you improve your squat? Well, one of the most effective things you could do, in first off, repetition. Yeah, and first thing you wanna do is you wanna look at

the people who master strength in the squat. And so you look at power lifters and you look at Olympic lifters. And believe or not, Olympic lifters are some of the best squatters in the world alongside power lifters. In fact, I would argue in some cases, Olympic lifters are better squatters. But if you watch their training, what you're going to find is they squat frequently. They squat a lot. Olympic lifters in particular squat almost every single day and the high, high, high level ones will squat several times a day.

Well, think of it like this. I gave this analogy one time. It's like that working out to me is like the game of golf and driving is like squatting. And I'll be the first to admit that for the first 10 years of my career, I fucking was playing put put golf. That's I got really good at putting the ball around all the time because I didn't want anything to do with the squat because I was terrible at it. But you're never going to fucking win the Masters, not learning how to drive a ball off the fucking tee. You've got at one point, if you're going to be great at this sport, going to be great at lifting, you've got to get that squat down. And all the details in the swing on the golf club is real similar to a squat. There are so many little parts that

affect the entire movement. And you are most certainly not going to do it one time. And oh, look, and that's wish. Let me back up. Some people will. They're going to do it one time and oh look in that wish let me back up. Some people will. They're gonna end those just like in golf. There's that guy or girl who grabbed a club swung at one time. Their mechanics were gorgeous and then they became fucking. That's rare. It's rare, right? But it happens.

Same thing goes for those some like Ben Pax said it. The first time he ever sat down in a squat, he squat at 400 pounds. I spent 30 years of my life getting to a 400 pound deep squat. You know what I'm saying? He did it the first time he tried it. So there are some people mechanically that are just, they're built and they're right into that group.

What most of us though are going to spend countless hours at the driving range. You spend lots of money on, you know, teachers and like, it is golf clubs. It is that complicated of a movement, but it is also that awesome of a movement. But there's also just the frequency factor, like, you know, squat frequently, like if you, even if you do a body parts split and you're training your legs once a week, that's fine.

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Go check it out. T-Mires 100. What is your opinion on carb cycling for fat loss? So, carb cycling is referring to the technique where you go low carbs some days, and I'm really generalizing it, because there's lots of different ways to carb cycle, where you go really low carbohydrate some days,

and then some days you have higher carbohydrate intake. Now, typically, I typically consider this more performance-wise as far as carb loading up before an event or something like that. It's also bodybuilding-wise and building muscle and burning body fat-wise. Real quick, before we get into this carb cycling, carb cycling cycling is not a top three priority, okay? Calories, macros, quality of food, and now if you've got that all down, then you can start playing with carb cycling.

So I wanna be clear with that because it's not like if you're eating shitty food and then you're playing with carb cycling, you're not gonna get any benefit from it. So, but with carb cycling, typically when you go low carb, typically what people will do is they'll bump up fat, so those tend to be inversely related in the diet.

Now the benefit of carb cycling is that it improves or at least studies suggest that it improves insulin sensitivity, meaning if you take in, you know, if you're always taking in 500 grams of carbohydrates every day or 300 grams of carbohydrates every day, your body actually starts to become a little less efficient at utilizing those carbohydrates. Your body starts to need more insulin to take those carbohydrates and to shuttle them into the tissues that it needs it. Carb cycling improves insulin sensitivity so that you get more bang for your buck, if you will, with carbohydrates.

When we interviewed a while back, we interviewed, I think the world of the American record holder at the 100 mile race or whatever, extreme endurance athlete, Zach Bitter, he went keto genic for a while and then he would introduce carbohydrates right before a race and during a race when he would power up. So that's kind of a form of carb cycling.

And he says that he notices that his body utilizes those carbohydrates so effectively because he's made himself so carb sensitive. Whereas before, he needed a shit ton of carbs all the time and not getting the benefit. Now it's just pure high octane. It is. Dr. Mccola even recommends a version of this.

And for those of you who don't know, Dr. Mercola is, he tends to be very controversial, but he's like this ketogenic diet. What do you call this? The cyclical. The cyclical? Cyclical ketogenic diet. Yeah. So he is like the super keto guy has been advocating for it

for a long, long time. And he even, in his new book, Fat for Fuel, he even says to include carbohydrates, at least once or twice a week, to promote metabolic flexibility, and there's some health benefits to it. I personally, probably amongst the three of us, and the least likely to have high carbohydrates

between all of us, but I have carbs, I'll eat at least 150 grams of carbs once or twice a week, because I notice performance benefits. I notice health benefits from it as well. So I definitely think, and just taking it to stuff further, I think you should cycle everything, but that just got rid of it.

I think you should cycle anything, but the question was just about. If you've never done it, I'm a huge fan of incorporating it. I'm really excited to do it again, coming up real soon here. So I have plans to do this. Now, Carb Cycling was my staple go to way of dieting. If I were to categorize, how did you do it before?

To get ready for a show. Yeah, I had it know how did you do your Carb Cycling? Well, now, how I Carb Cycle, I manipulated it know how did you do your car cycling? Well, now how I carb cycle, I manipulated a lot based on different shows. So, but what I'll do is I'll give you kind of a generalization of how I utilized carb cycling. So I was a heavy carb eater going into competing. So I've talked about this on the show before that I was eating anywhere between 400 to 600 grams of carbs every day. So that was my, I was a lower fat, higher carb, moderate protein eater to maintain a 220 pound body.

And when I started to compete, I used carb cycling for my cutting down for a show. And it worked fantastic. And so what I would, and in different shows I did different things. So for example, I would run like a high day followed by a moderate day, then a really low day. So I'd have a 600 grams of carbs, then I'd have a 350 grams of carbs,

and then I'd have like a 150 grams of carbs. Now did you increase fats or change proteins along with it? A little bit, but not a lot. So the low carb days were also low calorie. Exactly. And so I want to point that out that a lot of times a good portion of the fat loss piece is coming from the Chloric restriction for one or two days out of the cycle, right? is coming from the Chloric restriction for one or two days out of the cycle, right? Because if you are using it for fat loss, but then you increase your fats so much that the calories don't really change very much, well, then you're not really going into Chloric deficit.

So you're not going to see much of a fat loss that way because you're just replacing the calories that you took back from carbohydrates. This is actually a mistake that I see a lot of, because a lot of carb cycling programs recommend that as you go lower carbohydrate that you increase your fats, which you should somewhat, but not to the point that it equals out the same amount of calories.

Because at the end of the day, that matters more. Like you brought up the point, like it's not the big, carb cycling is not the biggest rock here. Like your macros and your calories are bigger rock. So if you eat the same amount of calories and you just cycle the carbohydrates, you're not gonna see this huge change in your fat loss.

So that's one way, but then I ran other days where I would run three, four low days in a row and then I would do a large read feed where I do 600 plus grams of carbohydrates, but then I do like two or three days of 150 to 200 grams. The point of this is that you can do a lot of different ways. You don't have to follow a specific protocol. The idea is restricting your body from what the amount of carbs it's used to, whether you cut it in 50% or 75% restrict that for a couple days and then refueling it back.

I don't know if it's common or not, but I just know that with this specific question, a lot of people have this sort of thought process with carb cycling is being like, you're, you got a normal amount of carbs and then you're going to over introduce carbohydrates. Like, as an event, just from a sports kind of perspective. Like I know like a lot of athletes have this misconception where they don't restrict going in leading up into the event to be more sensitive to the cars that you're introducing. They just load. Yeah, they just load a shit ton of carbohydrates for that day. Yeah, so car bloating is a form of car cycling.

It's not really for fat losses more for performance, but even car bloating, you're in experiment with this because everybody's a little different. So I don't want an athlete to do this, like right, into a competition they've ever tried it before, but a little carb restriction before a load will give you a better benefit. Body blooms have known this for a long time. They don't do it for performance. They do it because they know they hit the stage and they look muscles look big and full. Well, once I figured that out, I just know as like, even myself had that sort of

misconception going into, you know, because of what the coaches say commonly. And I feel like if athletes like would at least try that and obviously not like right away and in like massive restriction with it or anything, but like at least start to experiment with that, you're gonna get a lot better benefit for it. I love to do like small versions of this within a normal week.

Look, let's say you're not even a carb cycling person, but I know, and I kind of did this when we were in Tampa. Like I know that I'm flying on a plane. I may not get a workout. So I'm like, if there's not, this is a time when I don't need a lot of carbohydrates. So I'm going to go, I'm going to lean more towards the ket a lot of carbohydrates. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna lean more towards the ketogenic type of eating. I'm gonna go heavy fat.

I'm gonna go that way for two or three days in a row. Then I know when I get back, I'm gonna have a great, awesome workout. So the day before I'm gonna start to load up on all the carbohydrates. So I went just yesterday, I haven't had this in probably eight months. Yesterday was my first, you know, 400 grams of carbs

in over a year. I can't wait to work out today. Now, what did you eat for the four for your carbs, by the way? Well, they weren't all good. So, well, I mean, I mean, I share this stuff on my, my, you post everything. Yeah. So I do share. I had a huge thing of popcorn at the movies. And then I also had two five guys, burgers. And, you know, I'm glad you asked this because this is actually a good topic that I was gonna address on my InstaStory, is I do have a really hard time,

so I had 4700 calories. It's really tough for me, and I burned 4300 that yesterday. So I have a really hard time eating in a surplus consistently day in, day out, with actually not incorporating high calorie, high carbohydrate type foods like that. Or without a corporate. This may even be a more accurate way of saying it. It's hard without including some kind of highly palatable food. Yes, right. Yes,

right. Like I didn't even want like I ate right before I went to the movies, but I was telling Katrina we're going to be sitting for two hours. I'm only at this week. I was like this. I'm like, let's get a popcorn. I didn't want the popcorn. And there's something to learn from that. Like highly palatable foods. These are foods that are engineered to just hit all your taste buds and just for you to love them. If you're trying to eat a lot of calories, you can get, like it's easy to get sick and full of,

you know, chicken and rice and vegetables and, you know, sweet potatoes and all the healthy stuff. It's like, I just don't want to eat anymore because I'm kind of full. But if you throw a highly palatable food at someone, like a five guys burger or a book at a popcorn, they might be more likely to eat it. So I'm glad you're... That's not an excuse for people obviously to go out. It's not.

But I do want to share this because I do keep shit real on this show and on my Instagram and I and I preface this whole bulking phase for me with You know what I'm doing right now is not ideal and healthy for my body I'll be the first to admit that my body wants to be in this 205 range I'm trying to push it to a 225 230 pound male right now and trying to push it to a 225, 230 pound mail right now. And I get all the signs that it doesn't want to be this way. But I'm showing people that process

and what that looks like. And one of the signs is you just don't want to eat anymore. Yeah, exactly. I lived that way for a whole time. I didn't even eat the whole popcorn because I didn't want any more of it. But I knew like I was like, I need to add these calories. I need to get them somewhere.

And I barely still was in a surplus from what I burned that day. And on top of that, but I knew like I was like, I need to add these calories, I need to get them somewhere, and I barely still was in a surplus from what I burned that day. And on top of that, coming home later that night, and having two five guys burgers, as great as it all sounds, it's funny how hard it is to live on outside of either, like your body has this area. We're at the end of the spectrum.

Yes, pain, yes. It either end is a pain, yes. Dying really, really hard to get really, really lean like abnormally lean is really challenging. So is bulking for a guy who's or girl who has a hard time getting up to certain weights. And so I'm sharing that process. And these are some of the strategies that I have to use to consistently get up there. So I'll tell you this, the human body thrives on variety, but consistent variety. And what I mean by that is,

I don't mean consistent variety, like you're just changing everything all the time. I mean, you change some stuff and you stick with it for a little while, then you change something else and you stick with it for a little while. So just like with training, if I go and work out, and I know that my body thrives on variety,

I may think that I'm gonna go and just do just go do wildly different things every single day. That actually isn't as beneficial as sticking with a particular plan for two or three or four weeks before switching over because you wanna give your body time to adapt to that new stimulus. The same thing is true with nutrition.

It's just the time frame is a little different. So what I mean by that is, you may not necessarily want to eat radically different varieties of food all the time, because you may actually get an upset stomach here. Your microbiome adjusts your food a little bit. If I'm super keto all the time, and I'm like, I'm just gonna throw in 600 grams of carbs,

it'll probably fuck my stomach up. And vice versa, if I'm a high carb low fat person, and I'm like, you'm just gonna throw in 600 grams of carbs. It'll probably fuck my stomach up. In vice versa, if I'm a high carb low fat person, and I'm like, you know what, tomorrow I'm gonna cut all carbs out and I'm gonna eat 150 grams of fat. You may have some stomach problems. In fact, I've had people tell me that when they go keto and they'll eat 100 grams of fat, and they're like, I'm constipated, I can't.

You wanna have variety, but you wanna be a little consistent with how long that variety is and when it comes in nutrition Carb cycling is one of those things and so is protein cycling and so is fat cycling and so is calorie cycling I'll tell you what right now if you're trying to burn body fat There's two ways you can approach it one way is to have a calorie deficit every single day The other way is to have bigger deficits on some days, smaller deficits on other days, and on other days maybe maintenance or even a small surplus. At the end of the week, it all breaks down to the same numbers, but because you're having

that variety, your body tends to do better that way. Same thing with proteins, carbohydrates, and fats. In fact, even bodybuilders are catching on. We interviewed Ben Pekolsky, who was one of the most well-known professional bodybuilders in the IFB, a massive, massive human being, and he's got this gym with personal trainers, training clients, and most of the people in there want to build lots of muscle. Obviously, they're going to an IFBP Pro gym. He recommends most of the people that go in there have a low protein day once a week.

Yeah, fasting, protein fasting once a week. Once a week. Once a week, he has all his trainers teaching his clients. That's very forward. Thank you. And it's not just for health, although your health will benefit from it. It's because he's noticed that people build more muscle when they throw a little bit of variety in there. And so carb cycling is up there, but it's not just carbs. Like, I'm telling you, try this with fats, try this with proteins, try this with different vegetables

and different kinds of meats. And there's times when I eat lots of fish and other times when I eat lots of red meats. And not only will you see that your body responds and reacts and changes better, more consistently and feels better, but you're also gonna learn your body a little bit better. Well, I wanna echo what you said about

to being consistent about doing whatever that is, though, for a little while, and tracking and paying attention. You gotta know what's changed. Because some people hear that, I think, and I get worried because I think, oh, they say, underlating your calories, so high day, low day, well, then I don't really need to pay attention, because I know sometimes I eat a lot,

and sometimes I don't, so then people aren't connecting the dots if you're not doing that. So I do that again, highly recommend the tracking and paying attention to that, like going back to the original question of, you know, carb cycling, it's like, hey, you know, run some really low carbohydrate days in a row for you, but first you got to know what your baseline is, like if you don't know what your, what's, what's carb cycling to you if you don't gotta know what your baseline is. Like if you don't know what's carb cycling to you, if you don't even know what your average carbs are every single day, so for me, that's step one is figure out

what do you consistently eat for carbs, okay? Let's say you're a 250 gram carb either a day, well then if you're going to cycle, you're gonna do something between 75 to 100, 150, and maybe 300, those are gonna be like the cycle ranges, but that would totally change for someone the same size, same you that are same body type as you same goals if they are eating totally different.

Because you're talking about a guy now who eats 200 grams of carbs or less on a normal day that used to be a four to 600. So my carbs cycling that I would do, would change. It changes. And I'm such a field guy, right? I always talk about a two-it- about intuitive eating and nutrition and exercise and all stuff

When I cycle foods and I cycle cycle macronutrients the way I do it is I don't track Like like Adam Wood for example. I don't write things down and add things up I will cut carbs until I feel like I need them That's how I cycle or I'll cut protein until I feel like I need more or I'll drop my fat Until I feel like I need more or I'll bump my calories or drop cut protein until I feel like I need more, or I'll drop my fat until I feel like I need more, or I'll bump my calories or drop my calories until I feel like I need more. I'll explain a little bit about,

because I know there's a lot of people that hate me and love you and what would want to follow how you do things. So explain what. You've got to really, first off, you've got to really understand how your body responds to different things. So it may be different for you,

but for me, I will drop carbs, and I'll do it until I notice that my muscles look a little stringy, I feel a little depleted in my, my lips, I don't get as good of a pump and I start to kind of look, feel a little bit gone and then I'll bump the carbs up and I'll get that water out. Now would you say, because I go off of this field too, now would you say there's sometimes

two things that, like, when you push it too far, like headaches or fatigue or things like that, that you start to notice if you go beyond, like, what you probably should have. I noticed that my strength starts to drop more than anything mainly because I feel so, I otherwise will feel really good with low carbs and high fat. So, and then on the flip, if I eat high carbs, I'll notice that if I stay on that too long, I start to hold too much more water. I'll get a little more stiff in my joints,

sometimes a little brain fog, and I'll drop them down. And I just kind of play with that. I see what my body needs. I know what the my signs are that tell me what I need, and then I work with it accordingly. So my nutrition doesn't look the same from week into week out either. The health engineer, since the release of the maps programs, what has been the most negatively positive criticism you have received feedback on?

Based on that, would you change anything about the programs? Is it an oxymoron? Yeah, what do they mean? Like the most negative versus positive? Yeah, like, I think just one of the criticism. Yeah, I think what are the criticism? What have people said to us about the program? You know, I wanted to talk about this because to be honest,

and we do, like, we have have a 30 day money back guarantee, so we've had people at one point ask for their money back, but I'm sure in Doug probably knows this answer better than anybody. One, it's extremely rare. Two, majority of the time that he ever tells us about it, it's normally that somebody, like, like a new listener that hasn't,

like heard any or the other. Yeah, they open it up, right? So here's the most popular one that I've ever heard him say, right? Like they open it up and they see that it has movements like squatting, dead lifting, overhead pressing. And there's there's not something that like, like, wows and it's not up.

There's no side presses. There's not a bunch of movements or exercises they've never seen before. It's not like it's this unless they do like perform apps green or whatever. Well, you do with the red, yeah. Yeah, with with red or black that we use a lot of staple movements in there that we all agree are some of the best things you can do, which I think we're not the first ones to talk about that. I don't think we're the first ones to say that a squat is the king of all movements.

A deadlift is probably the second of all movements. You're gonna show up. Yeah. So I think that we do get some people that are they buy programs and this is kind of their MO. They buy they hop from one program to the next program and they're just always looking for something that is totally different than the last thing that they were doing. And so they open it up and they say like, Oh my god, there's squats and dead lifts and overhead pressure. I've seen these movements before. I don't want this program.

I think probably the two thing, the first criticism that we'll get is if people open the program and realize that it's not a body parts split. And we actually get people like that. And again, typically people who listen to one or two episodes don't know how we tend to program. And by the way, the way we program these workouts is based on what the majority of people would do best. Well, it's not gonna work for every single person,

but a majority of people at will. And so it's usually full body type routines with more frequency, it's not a body part split. So sometimes we'll get people who'll open it up and be like, oh, you know, this is not a body part split, I don't like it. So they won't even try it. The second complaint I've gotten before, especially with maps aesthetic,

is that their workouts are like an hour and a half long, at least the foundational workouts, the three days a week that are the harder workouts. And this is because you're doing the whole body, you're doing a lot of volume. Now, the days in between are much shorter, but if you're, you know, wanna be in and out in 45 minutes,

some of our programs take longer than that. Not all of them, maps and a ball, like you can get it in out in 45 minutes for the most part. Those are the two, I guess, biggest criticisms that I get. I think maybe into, like, even with performance, I think there's been some criticism with like volume, with concern with these like new movements that we kind of introduce people towards.

And so I think it's just most of it's coming from a place of like I'm uncomfortable, I'm not good at this. And you know, this, some people like own it. And then you know, and that turns into like, oh my God, that sucks so bad. I loved it or whatever. But yeah, sometimes people like if it and then, you know, and that turns into like, oh my God, that sucks so bad. I loved it or whatever. But yeah, sometimes people, like, if they're unfamiliar with moving their body

in that direction even, like it, it may feel like an eternity. I can think of one thing I would change. Well, oh, really? Yeah, I could totally, what I would change is when we first introduced the programs and posted them on our site, would be to address what,

like what we knew the common things you maybe would be going through. These are things that we didn't do that enough. This is stuff that we, this is coming down the pipes. I mean, this is something that we were gonna be addressing. But as far as the actual programming, I don't think any,

there's all out of every complaint that we've ever gotten in three years There's nothing that would make us change the program in fact We thought when we created the programs we thought about all the objections We thought about all the things that who's not gonna like this? Why wouldn't they like it what people could or couldn't do it? so There's nothing within the program I think the probably the biggest challenge we had early on like when Red first came out and maybe we just had red and green,

it was knowing that there were other things that we wanted to address, like prime. Prime to me really, yeah. Once we had all three of the foundation programs in, and then prime, and then soon to be prime pro, are released, I feel like we are really. We feel the lot of holes. Yeah, we're really addressing a majority of almost everybody training, and the only thing I feel like we are really filled a lot of holes. Yeah, we're really addressing a majority of almost everybody training.

The only thing I feel like maybe we lack somebody like very specific things, right? Like I hope one day we get to go back and revisit green and address like sport specific, like a soccer player, a basketball player, a football player. You know, this is exactly what they should do with maps green to for their sport or going and saying, if you are training for a powerlifting meet, this is how you should program. Leave that. So we have, I know, I know, I know some specific criticisms we've gotten. I can now they're starting to come to me like, in maps performance, like the first phase, which is really a strength power type phase,

like we're trying to build as much strength as possible. We'll tell people to rest between sets, like three minutes. Oh yeah. And people will complain like, I don't want to rest three minutes, that's too long. It's revolt. And they don't understand the reason for that. There's specific type of programming,

and you're not in there to try and fatigue yourself. You're in there to try to maximize every set and to be able to generate as much if not more force, you know, as you do each, you know, successive set. So I think a lot of the criticisms come from confusion more than anything. Yeah, I think and that goes back to what you said, which is what we're going to be working on, which I'm so excited for what we're going to be doing as far as more breaking it. More coaching. More co-chaining. More coaching.

Do I just say that? More coaching. More coaching to the fact that we're right. I know. More coaching to the point. Hopefully it goes the other way for me then, man. Okay. More coaching to these points that it's,

and let's be honest, one of the hardest things I've ever done in my entire career at least was trying to create something for the masses. It was very, very difficult, especially that we are all super anti-generic, anything or anti one way for everybody. So how do you create specific programs that tens of thousands of people are going to be following like talk about a fucking challenge,

you know, so I mean, well, luckily, what's been I leave a bunch of open doors. Well, luckily, what we what our dream was to give people the framework of programming, depending on the which program you do, you know, maps and a ballerick or performance or aesthetic or whatever. And give them sample workouts as to how we would program these workouts for most people, but our dream really was that people would do these, get good at them and then start to learn their body and modify them. And now that we've been on air for, you know, two and a half years and we've been having, you know, people have been doing the programs

for over a year or so, we're seeing a lot of that. We're seeing people who are taking the concepts, modifying it and learning their bodies and creating their own type of workouts, which I'm talking about. 100% I mean, to me it's like going to college for business school, we're not gonna tell you what business you have to do after you go.

It's like we're trying to give you some of the lay the framework or set the foundation for the things that you need to know before you go start a business or go train, train yourself. Here are some foundational things, but we've since day one encouraged flexibility within the program. This is, we give you framework and then from there, it's like, you know, we encourage people to modify and change, and that was really, that's what makes the forum so awesome too, is people getting on the forum and sharing this stuff,

and then we have open dialogue of why that's a good idea, or why that's probably not a good idea, because sometimes people put out stuff out there, like, hey, I thought about taking this phase and doing this instead, and we go, well, actually, that's not a good idea because the purpose of that is this and that's kind of counterproductive

to what you're trying to do and we explain that and then it makes sense and then people learn from that or some people go like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this for this phase instead of that and we go brilliant idea. Excellent. If it works great for you, do that, you know, so. Quick commercial break, hey, people ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump. Here's what you to do that, you know, so. Quick commercial break, hey, people ask us all the time how they can support MindPump.

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Next question is from Kay Rock. Your thoughts on the Netflix documentary, What the Health? Oh wow. It's a piece of shit. We're like, what the hell? Thanks for listening to my voice. Who the hell made me watch that piece of shit? Let's start off by saying that we did watch this in full

because we had so many people on our forum, so many people on Instagram reach out to all of us wanting to know our opinion. And I wanna say to everybody that it was very difficult to watch and we all ride away after about the first five minutes saw the direction it was very difficult to watch. And we all, we all ride away after about the first five minutes saw the direction it was going, and we're ready to, and we all agree that, listen, as painful as this is, and as much as we know it's bullshit,

we have to listen to all of it so we can speak to any points that people have questions. So if you haven't seen the documentary, what the hell? Well, first off, you need to understand something about, you don't need a way of time. Well, here's what you need. Yeah, no, watch it. I recommend people watch it. I recommend you watch it with an open mind. There are some nuggets of truth in it, which I'm

going to cover. But watch it and because it's important to see all points of view, because somewhere amongst all this information is where you're gonna find the truth. Well, just screamed bias, immediate. Well, that's how to stand propaganda and all the above. So if you didn't see that in the first five minutes, like make sure and watch it so you can kind of check yourself. That's the thing,

you have to understand what documentary is. Anybody can make a documentary. Yeah. And not, yeah, it's not, like here's my issue. Okay, so this is all coming back again to like the whole flat earthers and all these kinds of things where these ideas get sensationalized.

And people think that in a certain format, like whether it's like highly produced and it's a documentary, so since it's a documentary feel, that means that, you know, this is this is counter information, which means that means that, you know, this is counter information, which means that it's, you know, this is true. So here's what you need to understand. First off, anybody can make a documentary

and anybody can have a bias and make it sound a certain way. And if you want evidence of that, look at documentaries that support liberal policies in politics and look at documentaries that support conservative policies in politics. Both at documentaries to support conservative policies in politics. Both of them are gonna make super compelling arguments. They're both super biased. They both go in with a particular goal in mind

and the goal is to sway the voter. This documentary, 100%, I will bet anything on it on the statement, was 100% driven to get people to stop eating all animal products. I would venture to say, and I don't know this for sure, but like I said, I'll bet money on it, that the producers and the director and whatever of this particular documentary are vegans and have very, very strong moral opposition to eating animals and animal products. And I've talked to vegans who have very strong moral opposition. And they will really make strong cases against all animal products. That's what this documentary

does. This documentary talks about how literally all animal products are bad for you. It even goes in talks about how fish is bad for you. How omega-3s from fish are crap and you can get them from faks and you know how how corn and wheat are so good for you and we're designed to eat those things and so it went so extreme. It said eating meat is racist. You know what's funny? What in the fuck?

It actually, and this is like I have to call it out. It actually fucking tried to make the connection. It actually tried to make the connection. It actually tried to make the connection that eating pork products and pork was racist because these pork farms are creating pollution and it's always in these poor minority neighborhoods and they're really strongly trying to make you fucking not want to eat any meat whatsoever.

And what was the other one that I just fell off the fucking couch when they showed, what was it? Was it fish? Was fish was like eating cigarettes? They showed like a plate of fish and then like a plate of like 20 cigarettes. Like it's like eating all the old graphics they used in like 1982 to describe how bad cholesterol is for you.

You know what I mean? It's just like all this like repurposed. I would have been so painful to watch. These are some of the things though, I think what is important to talk about this is like, okay, why did, why were we so quick to know that it was bullshit? Like these are the key indicators that I pay attention to.

It's like when you, when you have to take extreme analogies to make a point like that, like you're, you're trying to prey on people's emotions, right? I even believe they used a 9-11 comparison. Didn't they draw it? Didn't they draw it on 9-11? They, it was 1%. This was a very political documentary.

It was very like, if I was watching PETA, put together documentary and they're trying to scare the shit out of everybody enough to not, here's my advice to people who are moral vegans. First off, number one, I respect you. You have a moral opposition to eating animal products. That's awesome, I support you 100%. And I even sometimes can relate to you a little bit.

There are times and I actually can understand that. That being said, you will never fucking win the argument if you try and say all meat and all animal products are bad and that's why people shouldn't eat them. And it's bad for the environment and it's killing the earth and it's racist and all this horrible shit. And it's bad for the environment, and it's killing the earth, and it's racist, and all this horrible shit. Not only will that not work,

it's gonna make people eat more meat. So stop being idiots. If you want people to stop eating meat, use the moral argument, I promise you'll have more success, and then you can say you can't eat a healthy vegan diet. That's the fact of that, also. Okay, so that being said, here's the bottom line. Humans are omnivores. Fact, there is's the bottom line. Humans are omnivores.

Fact, there is no debate on this. We are omnivores. Humans' teeth for this purpose. Humans evolved eating a wide variety of foods that were available to us. We learned the harness fire very early in our civilization, and that is one of the main reasons why we meet as much as we did.

Meet is very calorie dense. It's extremely, in some respects, nutrient dense. In fact, there's certain nutrients that are rare or impossible to get from plants. Now, if you're a vegan and modern times, congratulations. You have so much variety available to you that you can combine foods and get real, you know, specific with certain things. But if you were in nature, and you can combine foods and get real, you know, specific with certain things.

But if you were in nature, and you ate no fucking meat, you ever... Could you imagine being a vegan like a thousand years ago? You'd die. Yeah, you'd die. When I ever said you'd die. You would die from, you would have nutrient deficiencies, horrible, horrible nutrient deficiencies. So it's, we're omnivores, so stop trying to make that, that, that case. Meat from good sources eggs fish animal

dairy even which is where we agreed with the the documentary on some level like they're talking about processed meats like they're probably not that great for you. No all heavily processed foods are not good for like hot dogs salami heavily processed bacon's like probably not good for you. But they were citing, in this particular documentary, they cite studies, they cite a lot of studies, so they try and make this real compelling argument, but you gotta look deeper at the studies.

For example, they showed that there was a strong association between dairy and diabetes. But if you look deeper, you'll find that it's nonfat dairy that has association and not the full fat variety. Right. Meat, they say, increases your cancer risk. Well, first off, if they don't control for processed meat, we have a problem. Processed meat is not good for you.

It would be like me saying, you know, fried broccoli chips, you know, are bad for you, therefore broccoli's bad for you. No, it's the processing of the broccoli chips or whatever that would make it bad for you. So that's something to be considered. Also, people who eat tons of meat all the time, today in America, you'll find two people that do this. Bodybuilders and people who tend to be unhealthy. And the reason why people who eat tons of meat tend to be unhealthy isn't because the meat is unhealthy,

it's because people who watch their diet nowadays have been bombarded with so much information that they tend to restrict meat because we've been told that red meat and stuff is bad for so long. So you've got this kind of self-selection bias. Lastly, there may be some truth to a super high protein diet increasing cancer risk. And this risk has been made or this correlation or this connection has been made in a few studies. It's not solid.

The studies aren't conclusive. And the increase of risk of cancer with high protein is rather small and it's with certain types of cancers. And it doesn't always work because it actually has a reverse effect on people when they're older. So my point is I wouldn't use those studies. I wouldn't even refer to those studies and say, don't eat meat or whatever.

Totally this documentary, 100% felt like PETA put together a documentary, scared people to stop eating animal products. I mean, first it goes into red meat and I'm like like we're all shaking her head like okay well this is wrong but we'll keep watching then it gets into eggs and I'm like okay now this is really fucking hilarious then it makes the case against fish and then I'm like nobody says fish is bad nobody says fish is bad like this is this is getting. And it just kept going and going and going. I'd say that this documentary gets a one. Yeah, and Netflix put it on their platform.

Thanks. It's really unfortunate. And I wish you could find details on how the fun, where the money is going. And we could just, I think it would be, I should have been left on YouTube. I can't, I can't believe that it made it to Netflix, man.

It's like I was pissed off in Netflix for that. Here's what's gonna happen. It's, get another guy paid. It's, yeah, they got paid. It's polarizing, so it's gonna get a lot of views. Right. It, so it's demonizing. It demonizes all animal products,

so that's gonna get views. It's also the right climate for it, because we've heard for so long, low fat, high carb is healthier. Then we kind of heard from the fitness industry that like Paleo and Keto and eggs are good for you now. And you know, eat red meat if it's good from good sources. And so people have been hearing that now.

So this documentary. Yeah, let's talk about progress. So this documentary sounds counter. So it's like this controversy, right? You know, I also, I want to say though that, I mean, I've trained lots of clients that are vegan. So I'm okay with somebody that wants to eat that way. If you really enjoy eating that way,

you feel better that way. I just like to help people, I like to help connect the dots for my clients on why that probably is. And if you want to continue eating that way, then to each their own, I think that's totally okay. What I don't like is documentaries like this. And then see, I told you that this is the way to eat.

I told you that this is, now we have to unpack this and explain this stupid thing. Like, you know, I don't know. I guess I just get disappointed that, you know, the information we present, you know, over the last couple of years and all that. It's tough because now, okay, now this is something new again that we have to, no, no, no, this is just another attempt to persuade your attention in another direction

that's going to lead you nowhere. First off, when it comes to longevity with diet, context is very important. Okay. If you study the ancient, the diets of the ancient inuit cultures, you'll find long periods of time, well, they won't eat a single vegetable or fruit at all. In fact, it's quite rare. They live in very, very cold climates. And for long periods of time, all they eat is animal meat and fat. That's it. Like, that's all they live on. And when you periods of time, all they eat is animal meat and fat.

That's it. Like, that's all they live on. And when you study these people, in which they have been studied, they have excellent health. And does that mean that you should eat a diet like that? No. It just shows that the human body is quite adaptable and we're omnivores. And you can be healthy eating a lot of different ways.

Now, the best science that we have says this, don't overeat, that's number one, I don't care what your macros or whatever, if you overeat consistently, it's probably not good for you. Don't overeat, stay away from overly processed foods, yes, most studies will show that. And you probably want a lot of vegetables. You maybe want some fruit,

and you want some animal products, some kind of, you know, well-sourced meats, eggs, fish, and in some cases, dairy. The overconsumption of anything is bad. That's what the science shows. This documentary, super, super polarizing. Well, we talked right away. We talked right away. I mean, the first thing that comes to mind when I see someone, it makes me chuckle because

it actually grabs the attention of so many people, I think, we should make a funny documentary that we could, I mean, I threw out there that we could do a documentary on how water is toxic and could kill you. You know, if we interview the right people, cut and splice certain bits of information and science. We scare the shit out of you. Right.

You could take us and then sway you with that. You could take a spin on almost anything to show how it reminds me of Political documentaries. I mean, I love watching political documentaries because both sides of the political spectrum It's just like a Michael Moore. Oh my god. They make me so that speaking of Michael Moore I loved it when he showed how Cuba gives free health care and he's going to go to Cuba to get his free healthcare Because they're so fucking awesome. I'm like, you know Last time I called him remember any Americans like dying on rafts homemade rafts trying to get to Cuba It's the other way around but anyway

It's on both sides of the spectrum. I love watching them because it always crack me up because yeah It's always first of all every political leader is Hitler, depending on which side you're on. It really charges people. Yeah. And nutrition and religion and politics, it's all the same shit. So yeah, what the health? Yeah, totally trying to make the case. You gave it a one, I gave it a point five. Yeah, garbage.

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