Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 541: Ideal Water Intake, HIIT vs. LISS Cardio, Aesthetic Hazards of Squats & Deadlifts & MORE

Episode Date: July 1, 2017

Kimera-Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Kimera Koffee (kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off), Sal, Adam & Justin begin the episode with a debate over ideal water intake and then they answer Pump Head questions about deadlifts and squats thickening waist, the fitness advertising they are most afraid of for their kids, HIIT vs LISS cardio, which is best to get ready for stage and Paul Chek and his "rebuking" of science. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Do I win this debate again, or is this the one time Adam actually wins? Probably not. You'll find out when you listen to this episode. And then we talk about my asymmetrical tonsil and how I found out that I had one. Find out how sour. Found out. Then we get into the questions. The first question that we answer is,

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Then we get into the old controversy, high-intensity interval training cardio versus low-intensity steady-state cardio. Or not at all. The acronyms are hit and list. Which ones the most effective one for burning body fat and getting on stage? And finally, someone asked us, how do we reconcile the fact based information that we share on the show,

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You can find out about this promotion or enroll in this promotion at mine pump media. Dot com. Don't wait. Spread the maps love everybody. The book hitmakers talks about like almost every movie that we watch is the same thing just delivered differently. You mean the Warriors Journey? Yeah.

Well, no, I mean, that one's an example of the Warriors Journey, but sometimes it's not just a Campbell man. Almost every movie we watch is it had there was another familiar story just told differently. How funny is that? Like, there's certain patterns that we just love. Like, you ever listened to to music, for example, EDM is great for this. There's a formula with electronic music.

Yes, absolutely. It starts off kind of slow, then it builds up, builds up, builds up, crescendo, boom! The beat drops, everything goes crazy, and then it goes back and starts over again. And it gets you excited. Well, that's hilarious. Hit makers.

I can't wait till computers design music. Hit makers is the science of popularity. So that's the message of. I can't wait till computers. Is the science of popularity? So that's the message of the book is the science behind popularity. And it actually opens up and starts with music is what it gets into. And they've been doing that since the 20s. And maybe we didn't understand the science of it in the 20s. But we have definitely mastered it now today, like as far as how we make people feel through music, through sound, through video, through movies.

It's, it was a great book. I tell you what, that's a, I haven't posted about it yet, but I will post on IG real soon here as far as my review, but those that listen to this first, definitely one of the better books I read this year. Slow start to it. It almost lost me at the beginning because it does get into the history in the 20s

and I really wasn't interested in music in the 20s. So, yeah, it was important to the entire story of the and the book. So once you get past the beginning, it really picks up and then literally the whole book is worth the final chapter in my opinion. I mean, the last chapter, yeah, because it gets into Disney and stuff like that and just understanding the science behind how they've done everything is pretty fascinating. I'll check it out.

Yeah, you guys will. I'll check it out. They make magic. I've been doing a little reading and postulating on, you know, one of my favorite things to do is to take things that we consider dogma or like, you know, like what's the word, gospel in fitness and challenging it just for that sake of it. Yeah.

And you know, it's funny, most of the time I find that, that it's bullshit or it's too much, you know what I mean? So like protein intake, you know or you know Frequence, you know eating small meals throughout the day I mean like any common knowledge like like things that we challenge things that we accept is like, you know I mean like oh no, that's for sure you have to do that or that's the way it is right yeah Like talking about water water intake is one that we don't everybody's just like Three gloves of water that you have to. You're gonna go here huh?

Oh I'm gonna shit in your water. Oh wow. Hey man. Okay. No, I'll tell you what's up. Bring it on Sally. Actually, this is a good topic and I'm passionate. Oh I don't know I was gonna debate you over.

Yeah, I'm sure you wanna do that? Well I know where you're going. This is getting recorded. Yeah, go for it. Go for it. Go ahead and drop your knowledge. So no, when it comes to water. I know there's a brittah filter. So I don't want to do that shit. No, no, no So when it comes to that time, I'll filter water versus unfiltered water whatever when it comes to water and take

What do we hear what do we hear in as long as it's electrolytes in fitness like what do like Adam? You're in the drink tons of water right drink tons of water like what's the common things that you hear in the especially the muscle building world with one at least a gallon plus a day a gallon plus a day like it's just just like black wine jug yeah and then why do they say you need to drink tons of water what's the benefit just a hydrated metabolism there you go metabolism what else flesh is out yeah flesh is out yeah of course. Now that's where the, okay, the one double gonna get to pitch you on that. How to build muscle, burn body fat. Here, so here's what's interesting about water intake is, first off, it's one of the most individualized things

you could possibly, when it comes to, it's like, it's as if not more individualized than food intake because your level of hydration or required the amount of water that you need changes, not just weekly, but daily and also within the day, it changes. So is your barometer, is it how bad your piece thinks? Or what? It's how salty it tastes.

I'm just kidding. It's more about, really, our body has the signals that tells us when we should have water and those signals we've all with and they're pretty the more accurate than any estimation that we can come up with. So I did some research. Well they say that the feeling of thirst is actually signs of already dehydration starting. That's yeah that's that's false. It's actually not true. A sign of thirst is to prevent dehydration. It's actually a pretty good measure.

Now, if you're not in tune with your body, if you're super busy and you're not paying attention, or if you're unhealthy, that may be off, just like any other signal may be off. But in reality, being thirsty is kind of a good signal. But here's what's interesting. I did some research and I found that, did you guys know that there are as many,

if not more hospitalizations for what's called hyper-hypo-nutremia, which is excess water, than dehydration? Do you guys know that? More. Yeah, people actually get, especially as people age, and especially with thing when people have health issues, like kidney issues and heart issues. And when it comes to athletes, it's estimated that as much or about an equal percentage of athletes drink too much water as those that drink too little water. And the side effects of drinking too much water are like reduced performance, brain fog, heart, irregular heartbeats. You can actually damage your liver from too much water.

And as I'm reading this, I'm thinking like, you know, I know why we tell people to drink more water. And it's typically because in certain cases, people may be not drinking too much or drinking too much soda and other types of beverages. Well, about when you're super depleted or like, let's say, because they, they used to profess this quite a bit when there was like high humidity and heat and, you know, like it was apparent you'd lose like five, 10 pounds of water weight, you know, throughout the day.

And so it was like this preventative measure that you had to over hydrate because, you know, the sweat factor and like how much, like actual weight you were gonna lose being, you know the sweat factor and like how much like actual weight you're gonna lose Being you know detrimental. Well, there's a lot of women in particular Actually are or have a higher likelihood of suffering from the effects of too much too much water They don't require as much as men do their body actually holds on to water much better than ours do Mm-hmm, and of course they're smaller typically right?

But think about all the things that affect how much water your body may need for optimal health, right? I mean, everything from your body's chemistry, to your nutrition, to your sleep, to your activity levels, are you in a hot climate? How much sodium you've consumed or other electron levels in your body? It's so different from person to person

and from day to day that the advice that we give people in the fitness industry like drink a gallon of water a day at least is so ridiculously simplified and potentially could have bad effects on people. I have a theory on that. What's your theory? It's the same theory that I have with the protein kind of debate that we have.

And that's why I was really interested in what direction you were gonna go with this because I know that you're not somebody who's like, oh, pushes the water intake on people. And I know that I am. And the reason why I am is the same reason why I used to push protein, especially on a lot of my female clients is because in my 15 years of coaching clients and tracking food

and paying attention to their intake, most people grossly under a protein. That's a fact. Now, you say grossly- Grossly under a- Most people eat essential amounts of protein. You're talking about levels of protein for muscle. Forbillium muscle. Yeah, because most people that hire you are looking to build muscle and burn fat.

So yeah, we're not talking about to survive and live. We're not talking about that. Same thing goes for the water thing. And I think what went wrong in fitness, and what tends to go wrong in fitness a lot, is they take something that's pretty general, which I think if I were to look at, if we were to screenshot all the people I ever train

and go look at how many, 80% let's just say, and that's a totally arbitrary number, I'm throwing out there, say 80% of these people did not get enough protein for optimal muscle-bully. So if I can say a majority of my people aren't eating enough, I'm going to come out with this message that says, more protein, you guys need more protein. And I know that if I come out with a message like that, that I'm going to positively affect

a majority of the people out there that are trying to build muscle because they were probably under eating. And so there is some good that comes from that message. And then we have what happens always in fitness is the pendulum swings from one side to the other side. So extreme, then you got the body builder demographic that is like more, more is better. So these guys are eating 1.5 to three grams of protein per pound of body weight. And the same thing I believe has happened with water.

If I were to look at my clients again and took a screenshot of all the clients that I've trained in my career, and I asked them how much water I want you to start tracking and tell me how much water you drink in a day, people grossly under drink water because they're drinking sodas, they're drinking juices, they're drinking all these carbonated bullshit drinks.

For me, is that you? No, it's okay. They're drinking all this crap and they're not getting enough water. So again, the question is, the question is, is it that they're not drinking enough fluids or is it that they're drinking too much of other fluids that are not just water. Yeah, in other words, it's not, we didn't say fluid, we're talking about water. They're drinking, they're drinking plenty of fluids, but when you drink sugar, and when you drink coffee, caffeine dehydrates you, so it's like, that's a zero zero.

You gotta get it in water. I want to be, I need to correct that. It's a myth that drinking coffee dehydrates you, you hydrate. Yeah. Well, it's, it's a, it's a zero zero. No, no, you still, you still, you, you, you get way more water than you lose from the dehydration effects of caffeine. That's a, that's a huge myth. And I want to say that. I wouldn't say way more. It is. And you, and you, what are you talking about? Someone that's drinking a, a basic coffee drink. You're talking about what most people do, which is an extra shot of espresso inside there or taking way more caffeine in. It's still a lot more water. You're talking about what most people do, which is an extra shot of espresso inside there

or taking way more caffeine in it. It's still a lot more water. It's actually fine. It's fine. I remember that same argument for beer. Yeah, it's fine. You're fine drinking. Now, does caffeine cause water loss?

It does, but it's not like drinking coffee. A cup of coffee is not, it means you're not drinking water. But the reason, the question I have with what you're saying is, is are they, do they, let's say somebody drinks lots of juice and soda, and then they drink a little bit of water. Should they add water to that? Will that benefit them, or is a lot of the benefit coming from reducing or eliminating all other shit

and replacing it with calorie-free water? That's the big question, and how do we know when people... Or someone like me, okay, which I'm a good example of this, I will go on these kicks where I'll have two diet sodas and a coffee in my, that's a day of drinking, could it be in one glass or two glass of water, two diet sodas and a cup of coffee? Yeah, and that could easily be one of my days. And here's a thing, like, so you're in the category of people that likely require more water consumption for two

different reasons. Number one, you have a lot of muscle. You sweat daily. You exercise at least an hour a day. And you consume high levels of protein. And so those things can definitely require more water intake. It's so individual, that's the thing. It's more of the ability to create these standards.

It's exactly, again, this started because people, I'm not that abnormal. I guarantee of most people that are listening right now, truly assessed, unless they are making a temp to drink more water, the average person coming into the fitness realm, saying, I'm gonna get in shape, I wanna build muscle, I wanna burn fat, I'm going to start paying attention

to these things, if they truly assess themselves, a majority of people are under drinking water and over drinking stuff that is not ideal for them. Yeah, and I would, so here's where this comes from. And this is what I want to see, because here's what I'm speculating, this is what I want to see. I want to see are the benefits when you tell someone, a random client and you say, hey, I want you to drink

a gallon of water a day. Does that, me, does that equate to less? Is that really benefiting that? Does that equate to less soda drinking, less juice drinking, less, and of course, does it equate to lower appetite because now you're drinking more water? Absolutely.

That's really, is that the benefit or is the benefit because you're having tons of water? No, no, no. And so that's how I teach it. So if I told someone drink a gallon of water, I know that it's going to help curb appetite. I know it's obviously going to hydrate them. I know that if they're drinking that much water,

they're gonna have a hard time getting in diet, sodas, juices, and other crap inside their diet. So there are real benefits, probably the bulk of the benefits isn't from this great hydration, speeding up your metabolism, or doing something to the body that's amazing because they're having a gun or it's doing a lot of other things.

I think to your point, the fitness industry, again, as bro science, the fuck out of it. And so there's this misconception. But I also want to make sure that when you come out and say something like that, because I'm very passionate about water and protein and you speak out the other way. And then what I see people do is they go like,

oh shit, well, Sal says people are, there's more people drinking too much water than none of water. And then they go, oh fuck, I'll go back to my drink and my diet soda instead. No, no, I don't want that, man. So, I just, Jesus challenging common thought. So, like, that's a common thought process

is to just keep drinking more water. So, in my opinion, it's a good one. Yeah, I want to know a little bit more than, okay, so if you're saying that there's people in the hospital that have been over, you know, over-consuming water, like, what does that look like? What's the amount in, like, you know, what are the detriment?

Uh, you're, again, irregular heartbeat, you know, brain fog, fatigue, it can affect mood, like it can cause depression, it can cause faint, feeling faint. These are all symptoms of having too much water. And here's the other thing. So this is why I wanna correct a message because here's what people are hearing. People are hearing drink lots of water.

Now if I'm the average person and I don't change my soda intake, my tea intake, my coffee intake, and then I add a ton of water on top of it, I may have a problem. I may actually, and this is actually what's happened. This is what, so endurance athletes, for example, are hammered more than anybody else for avoiding dehydration.

This is like a big thing with endurance athletes. Like, don't be dehydrated. Don't be, especially 10, 20 years ago. Now, they've learned that they need to consume sodium with their water and they need to be careful with their electrolyte amounts. But before, it was like hammer, hammer, water, hammer, water.

And more endurance athletes were having issues with too much water because of that message, because they were so worried about it, especially women, and especially long endurance events, that they were just pounding the water, and they were making themselves sick, and people are under the impression that there's no detriment. And here's the thing, as with anything, there is an optimal dose, and that means that less than that is sub-optimal, and more than that is sub-optimal and more than that is sub-optimal but take it another level, push that in either direction and it becomes dangerous and that's what happens with water

and I've read cases where people would do these water challenges and die. Yeah, literally fucking die from drinking too much water because their cells... That's happened in a few times. ...act actually drown. So you know, the thing, it's almost like we keep pushing people away from listening to their body. When in reality, just start to connect to a little more. Yeah, but you'll have better signals. Yeah, but you understand something, man, that's you're a black belt in that, dude. You're a fucking black belt in that. So asking somebody else to be that in tune with their body

their majority of the listeners are white belts dude. Yeah, you know, you're you can't you can't tell somebody that's why we have generic advice like that that and there is generic advice out there that I think and I think there's you make up good you make good points I'm so I'm not completely debating what you're saying in our unit. I'm just saying that I also want to caution that when we say things like that, that I think the recommendation of drinking more water is done more good than it's done harm. I would say, definitely replacing it, you know. There you go.

You're saying like the thought process to have like a soda or a juice or a coffee or, you know, let's stick with, you know, the water is being the beverage of choice. Here's the best advice. I think it's shit advice to tell people, drink a gallon of water a day and drink eight out, or eight glasses of water on us.

I think it's so general, it's just ridiculous. I also think, here's the advice that I'll give people. Don't drink anything but water. How about that? Listen to your body. Don't drink anything but water. Don't drink soda, don't drink tea, don't drink anything but water. How about that? Listen to your body, don't drink anything but water, don't drink soda, don't drink teas, don't drink whatever, if you want to have a little bit of coffee or a little bit fine, but the vast majority of the fluid that you consume should be water.

And I think you'll have pretty much no problems. I mean, you know, part of alcohol plays a role in that. Alcohol, you know, provides fluids also, believe it or not. Actually, they have some studies to show that beer replaced with electrolytes. plays a role in that. Alcohol, you know, provides fluids also, believe it or not, actually, they have some studies to show that beer replaced electrolytes. I've seen it with them. Yeah. Um, but again, it's about what's happening to the liver and kidneys when you're taking in alcohol. And if you're over hydrating, what the stress that it puts on there, and then if you're also having alcohol, that's where I'm going

out. So I too much water with alcohol. Yeah. It's negative effects just like having too little water with alcohol. Again, both are bad for you. You can actually get liver cirrhosis from consuming too many, from having the electrolyte and balance, from having too many fluids. So the reason why I brought it up, and I wanted to talk about it, is because I know a lot of people

are going to freak out, because South says, you know, the advice, the drink tons, here's another piece of the advice that I think is hilarious, is the drink water throughout the entire day all day long. And the reason why I think that's ridiculous is it completely doesn't match the likelihood of how we evolved. I mean, humans definitely lived around well. Well, not just how we evolved, but also how we, how our body works throughout the day. I mean, what we're doing right now doesn't require a ton of water. Exactly. Sitting on here talking on my, but you better believe in about

four hours when I start throwing some weights around. Exactly. And think about it around your high activity. I would have had to drink three quarters of a gallon of water around my workout. Right. So then the rest of the rest rest of the other quarter or so gallon is spread out throughout. Right, so think about it this way. If I'm told, if I'm a competitor and someone's in my coach is saying, drink one to two gallons of water every day, make sure you drink it throughout the day. Well, when I'm not working out and I'm drinking, you know, 16 ounces of water, the likelihood that I'm drinking too much water and getting negatives is high.

The likelihood that I may be drinking enough while I'm working out is good. It's high, right? So, it's so dependent on what you're doing at the time, your what you're eating, all these different things that to give these general guidelines. Well, I have to defend the coaches and the competitors out there because there is some sort of, and I'm not there because there is some sort of, and I'm not there, I'm like, I'm helping somebody right now, right?

So we're helping Melissa right now get ready for a show. It's her first show. And I don't have her tracking water yet, but I will soon. And I will give her a generic number to follow, but there's a different reason why. Oh, totally. I have her, because I'm wanting to see,

I'm tracking to see how much water her body loses and if I don't know like a so fight with for example let's say I give her the generic advice most I want you to drink one gallon of water every single day. What I'm looking at is I'm looking at the fluctuation and then what her body looks like on a half a gallon of water a quarter gallon of water and a full gallon of water. Yes, you're trying to see measurable like data to work with.

Yeah, and I mean, we know that what, 60% of our muscles are made up of water, right? So filling up the muscle bellies with water makes an aesthetic change. And look, right? Especially when you're lean. Right, exactly. So for me and coaches, and I don't know what,

I can't speak for all of them, because we know that there's a ton of them that are idiots. But there might be some that are giving that, hey, drink a gallon of water, and they have the same theory or the thought process behind why they're doing it like I do, which is, listen, I need you to drink a gallon, and I want you to be consistent with that,

because I need to be consistent with your water loss, seeing what your body looks like, and then from there is how I'm going to have you adjust that. So, when you talk about the competitive level, there is a different, you gotta separate those. Because here's the other thing to consider too, which was kind of cool. I was thinking about this also,

and I started doing some reading on it. And we always tend to have water or fluids with us while we're eating, and that may actually be a detriment to a lot of us. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, because, yeah, because it doesn't help the digestive process. Well, actually, if anything, it dilutes, it dilutes the digestive process. It could, does it dampen like your saliva?

And because I feel like cotton mouth, I don't have like a beverage with me. So that may actually be more of a medical issue. You may have an issue with producing enough saliva, but it dilutes stomach acid. I got a medical issue. You may have an issue with producing enough saliva, but it dilutes stomach acid. I got a medical issue now. That could be fucking so. I like this discussion. So you could be producing, I excuse me,

you dilute stomach acid, which changes how you digest food. It could cause your stomach to try and produce more acid as a result, which can be a problem. You could also, here's the other thing too, we tend to chew way too little. by Jess food, it could cause your stomach to try and produce more acid as a result, which can be a problem. You could also, here's the thing too, we tend to chew way too little. I was just going to say this, so I could, you're in your defense of that argument, I could definitely see if I didn't have water, it would force me to chew my food probably 30 to 50 times, which is the recommended amount of chewing your food before you swallow it,

which if you ever, people, this is a cool thing, and I tell people, I actually pay attention to it. It's actually, no one does anything. Nobody does that. It's pay attention, the next time you were shoveling food in your face, on how little you chew and then swallow it down. Like, you just take a couple of water with it. Chewing is part of the digest- Unhinged.

Chewing is part of the digestive process. And you would be blown away by how many people Would eat less calories be more Satiated and and actually help be like mindful about it if they were mindful and actually chew their food Completely before they swallow it down dude, and you got to believe that drinking fluid It actually counters that right because you I could take a bite of something like Lily bite of my sandwich makes room wash it down with soda And then I just swallow it down. That's a hundred percent what's happening I do that I do that all time I catch myself doing that all time and you're right a big part not a small part a big part of

Digestion happens in the mouth with two process with chewing and saliva and they wrote a whole diet on this There was actually a book. I can't remember with the name of the diet. T-PAC Chopra. He talks about this all the time. They were like, how many times you need to chew before you. There's like a whole diet around just chewing. And that's where I came up with that number. I think it's like 52 or something.

They'll say, chew your food 52 times and they of course, a gimmicky sales thing, right? chew your food 52 times. Every single time you take a bite and you'll lose 15,000. 52,000, yeah. And it is. And you would be surprised how many people's digestive issues become solved with just chewing the,

I mean, no joke, I'm not exaggerating. Oh, I believe that. I have plans. We've all done that where you bit something and you like, and you feel like you just, you're talking to that up more. You're just talking to a toddler all the time. Like, you know, like chew your food. Exactly.

Yeah, like let's walk carefully. Yeah, let's feel your body. White front to back. No, it's, when you chew properly, you digest your food. That's your ass. You pre-agest your food. You should be able to swallow, unless you have like, like a large tongue, I actually have a big tonsil on one side which makes it even more

difficult but just on one side just one side and that weird yeah I got a story behind that too if you you can't wait to you your food well you should be able to swallow it without any fluids who's the guy that told you what that I had a big I've had it since I was a kid that That's funny. It won't go all the way in. Yeah, no. That's something's blocking it on the left side. It's on the right. But if you, if you, if you, if you should be able to swallow your food without drinking fluids with it,

and again, you go back to evolution, like humans did not, we were around water. Of course, we had to live in your water, but we didn't like have jugs of water with us with our meals, we chewed the fuck out of it, swallowed it, and we were good. So just some interesting things. It was nice to think about.

Well, isn't this why wine and beer it was safer, right? To drink versus sometimes the water. Wow, that's cool, yeah, and that's true, yeah. Right? Because there's not a messy alcohol killed the bacteria. It was less likely to have microbes in it and shit don't kill it. Cause yeah, that makes,

I didn't even think about that. Yeah, back of the day. Yeah, so let's get on the beer guy. Yeah, that's exactly with me. Yeah, so with my tonsil, I've had it since I was a kid and it's just one side. So it's asymmetrical.

Now, if I didn't have that since I was a kid and I went to the doctor and it just happened, that means you might have cancer, right? And you throw it, because it's pretty rare to have one side right. This started your whole pain away. Dude. So I've had it.

This was also the birth of Kermit. Yeah. Oh my God. No, I think about that. I'm changing. If I removed it, I wouldn't sound the same, right? Yeah. So it can't do it anymore.

So anyway, I was uniquely you. So I was training my client who was a, this was a years ago, he's a, ear nose and throat specialist. And he told me a joke or something and I was laughing with my mouth open and he's like, hold on, he goes open your mouth again and I open, he looks in there

and he's got this concerned look on his face. Oh, no. And I'm like, what? I'm like, what dude? You know, because you guys know me, I'll get paired. I'm like, what, what's going on? He goes, he goes, how long have you had that big tonsil? Like, oh, since I was a kid and he goes, oh, okay.

And he goes, back to his workout. And I'm like, I'm like, what? Like, tell me what? And he goes, oh, nothing. He's such a nigg. He goes, nothing. No, you could have cancer. He goes, it's probably nothing you've had it for so long.

And I'm like, what do you mean, probably nothing? I'm like, what does it mean if that happens? He goes, well, if I see that normally I assume that it's you know malignant and we got to do it biopsy and this and that happen no big deal freak me out dude Freak me Apple I had to have a conversation for like an hour with him to for him to calm me down Yeah Bring on the bird done the bird, Doug! We call...

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It's the motherfucking squad. The eagle has landed. Quique-quit. Quique. Our first question is from Austin not East. His prep coach says not to did lift or squat because it will thicken his waist. You know what? The funniest thing is bad. The funniest thing.

The funniest part about this is that you were just picking a fight this morning. I saw that. Yeah, I did. Were you in a mood? What? Were you in a mood? You don't normally troll when you listen.

When you troll. Male standards, big chests. Really slim little wings. When you troll my men's physique buddies. I always know you're in a mood. I'm like, what are you doing dude? We know, so I don't know if someone tagged me if it wasn't.

Did you get tagged on it? It might have been tagged or it might have been, I might have been just on it. Sal tags us this morning on some men's. I wanna start a company called Hourglass Dude. It was come. It was a men's physique pro and he was promoting a waste trainer and

Sal just tags Justin and I'm stupid advice Just straight out So so you are a more answer I might have been in the mood, but the truth is forget the mood part They give advice that's bad all time. But rarely do they give dangerous advice. That's dangerous advice. So I have to say something because I'm looking at it and there's all these comments of people who are like, where do I buy this?

Ooh, this is great. Make my way smaller and I'm like, oh fuck, all these people are gonna atrophy the muscles around their core. It's gonna cause problems. I need to say something so that at least when someone's looking at the comments, they see that I said it's-

It's just counter information. And then underneath that I explain why it's stupid. So hopefully I prevent, sorry bro, you're not gonna sell as many of your shitty waste trainers, but that's a good thing. Where do you delete your comment? Do deadlifts and squats thicken your waste? Well first of all, the waste isn't a muscle.

No, it's okay. So the waste isn't a muscle. It's a general area. Yeah, yeah. So what are you working today at waist? You're wasting. You're wasting. Just a waste.

Just a waste trainer. You could punch in the face or wear in one of those. Yeah, no, this is something that, of course, I saw a ton of this in which I like to say I've seen a major shift lately. But when I started getting into competing and I saw the exercises these guys were doing and I started talking to a lot of the competitors, like, oh yeah, no, definitely, I don't deadlift or squat or barbell squat.

And I'm like, hmm, you don't do the two most important lifts you could possibly do to build muscle on your body. And we're in the business of building muscle, like that didn't make sense to me. It's too hard, bro. Yeah, and then when they started explaining, like, oh, it makes my waist bigger. And I'm like, explain that to me.

Like, I'm totally confused right now on why we would do that. And then this was like the first time I'd ever seen this. I didn't even know it existed. And I started seeing, and I started thinking, like, what the fuck? But then I had these people that like swear by it,

like, no, bro, look at, all, show you pictures before, after. And then I was like, okay. Like coached you'll me a bleak, so the dino. And then I realized like what they were doing, and I'm like, oh, you're literally like wearing that thing that tight, and you sleep with it, you train with it, you never turn off the waste train. Yes. Isn't that what we were looking for?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, that's what you were, the guy you commented on was a waste trainer, you know? And I'm like, that's so crazy to me that you would wear this thing all day like a cast and intentionally atrophy those muscles. And then you would eliminate exercises like the deadlift and the squat.

Like it's crazy. No, deadlift and deadlift thing in squatting does activate the muscles of the core. The muscles of the core, what you need to understand, they can definitely build, but they're the ability of you to really build those muscles out and get massive core muscles, is pretty small. It's not really muscles that hypertrophy the same way like quads do, but not only that, but if you deadlift, for example, your back's going to get bigger

too. And a small waist is only small because of the contrast between your waste and your shoulders. And that's what these judges see. Right. And I'll give you an example. Like me and Adam, if we measured our waste, probably about the same size. If you see a standing in a picture next to each other, Adam's waste appears smaller than mine. It's not because he has a small waste because he's got wider shoulders. And this is what you do on stage. Nobody goes and measures your fucking waist. It's about the difference between the shoulders and lats and all that stuff to your waist.

And that comes from having muscle, not from not having muscle. But avoiding these two super effective exercises is horrible, horrible advice. And you've got average people who don't have, the 0.1% of the genetics that these muscle builders have, they're not taking them out of gear that they're taking. They never get to the ridiculous body fat levels that these competitors get to, and they're

never going to step on stage, and they're hearing this advice thinking, oh, I'm trying to get leaner, and I don't want a bigger way, so they're form not going to squat. Well, not only that, I wouldn't have as much of a problem if they just stayed specifically in the performance realm of it, right? Like, so I'm doing this specifically to be judged on stage and like this is what I'm doing just to kind of cheat my way through the system a little bit to get a smaller waste versus, you know, I'm selling these things to the general public saying this is a good idea. Yeah, I know. Well, the most effective thing you could do to shrink your waste by far is the thing you're back. Get a bigger back and get sliner. Yeah, that's it.

So you did you guys see the insa story I did just a few days ago where I drew an arrow to my waist. Did you see that? I drew an arrow to my waist and I said, this is the only spot that matters or this is all I need to know. And I pointed right to the, so I think why, I did one on my crotch. Why, why this has come really popular, especially with like men's physique competitors,

bikini competitors, is that, that waist, that low back area is a very, very common area for people to store body fat. And it happens to be one of the most stubborn areas for your body to, in general, there's a total over-generalization. Everybody's uniquely different, but especially men, we carry the tire, right?

It's very common that we carry that low back and belly fat, and the low back fat is the last place to go. So if you've been watching my journey as I'm leaning out right now and getting in competitive type shape, I'm showing you that even right now, you can see the definition in my back, but then my waist is kind of boxy right now.

But it's not going to be a waist trainer or the lack of deadlifts that's going to get rid of that last bit. I will literally, you're going to see my waist come way in and it will be because I get leaner and it will take me until I push my body beyond this 5% before you really see go there. I just had this conversation with Katrina and she's kind of following the same journey and I get this a lot.

So I think this is a great topic aside from the, we've already covered deadlifting squatting. It's your silly to get rid of those out of your training and just in my opinion. But as far as the waste thing goes, everybody is going to have these areas on their body, where if you get down to 7% body fat, let's say, which is pretty low.

It's going to hold on for dear life. Well, it's still going to be that, right? Even, so Justin did his transformation journey when we first started, and he got all ripped and lean. But I guarantee if you asked him, did you have areas still where you felt kind of fat or you felt like you were holding fat? So, yes. It's a good word.

And the same thing goes for self. Sal is incredibly lean right now, right? You keep yourself in single-digit body fat pretty much year-round. But I guarantee if I asked you right now, do you, where is your fat? You would know right where it's at, right? You're in a thine.

Right, so everybody has these areas and it's not that it's impossible to get them and it's not that you're gonna cheat the system by using some bullshit tool or eliminating exercise. You've gotta get leaner, you've gotta put yourself, because you can get, and I don't recommend that people get to 1% or 2% body fat, but I guarantee you, if you did push

to 1% or 2% body fat, but I guarantee you, if you did push to 1% or 2% body fat, that fat would go. It would eventually go. It would definitely end up going at one point, and most people have just never pushed their body to that point to see that last bit of their waist, because you're waist when I get all the way down for stage. I mean, you can like see my hip bone. I mean, you can see, you can literally see all of that when I'm all the way down,

but I have to get down to that and you won't see it until. And here's the other thing to consider. Like, when you look at somebody in real life that looks truly impressive, who's lean, muscular, and looks like they can move and function. They have a built core. They have a well-developed core. Women too. You know, at least CrossFit women that other women are like, oh my god, that's what I want to look like. And by the way, I don't necessarily hear a lot of women say they want to look like it's there are some but a figure or a fitness competitor, how they want to look every day. Most women are like, no, no, that's too much. I don't want to look like that every single day. It looks cool, but but when they at these crossfit girls who are performing and doing these workouts and stuff, a lot of women would be like,

oh my God, that looks awesome. Looks strong. That's what I look at. And you look at these women and they have very well developed core and obliques. It's not gonna make you look bad to have well developed obliques. Obliques in sports. They serve a function.

Are you kidding me? Come on. Your obliques are as important if that more important. Stable. As all lateral forces, I mean, like you're putting your spine out there on blast if you don't have that support. Look at athletes that have to actually perform. Look at grapplers, look at boxers, look at football players when they're lean.

Look at all these different athletes and look at their obliques. They're well developed, they're strong because you need that to perform. And the ancient Greeks even knew this. When you look at the statues of what the ancient Greeks carved of like Hercules, for example, or David, for example, and they kind of, you know, they sculpted these sculptures. They could have been more impressive pieces. That's true, what's that was weird.

That's a different story. I think they considered small penis as aesthetic. They thought it was aesthetic. But they built, they put big obliques on them, the sculpture of Hercules. He's got this thick, strong lean core with these strong obliques. And when you see that in real life, you know that person's pretty strong. So this fear of developing the midsection, I have yet to meet anybody ever, where I looked at them and I'm like, oh, wait, you probably should stop working out your midsection,

because it's crazy. Look, it's too muscular. I've never seen that before. So this whole fear of thinking in your waist, like it's a fuck out of here, like this is ridiculous. Yeah, no, it's silly. And the more you squat and deadlift, like you said, to start with, you're just going to make your back and your butt. Your butt and hips and legs are going to be more impressive because you squat. Your back is going to be more impressive because you deadlift. And those two things being drastically different is going to... Well, you're not setting yourself up for massive pain later on in life.

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What are you most afraid for your kids with advertising in the fitness world today? Oh geez. For me, especially for my daughter, although this is more and more true for boys as well. Nowadays I'm really afraid that my kids will compare themselves to the... To the Insta Stars.

Yeah, to the unattainable standards that are projected through media. And I'm not even as afraid of advertising as I am of social media. Social media is much more powerful than a commercial. Nowadays, it used to be commercials and stuff like that. Now it's all social media stuff. And they've already done studies on this where they find girls the longer the more time they spend on Instagram, the more depressed they become, the more their self-esteem drops, their body image goes down.

Boys are starting to see this with men and boys as well. And it's just this false perception that that is your value. And when you're in fitness or you want to look fit or you want to be fit and you're looking at all these pictures, so much of the value is placed on appearance and so little of the value is placed on knowledge or wellness or how you feel or even performance for that matter. It's all about appearance and when you compare yourself to these pictures, the funny thing is when you meet a lot of these people in person and this is just

100% like we're, you know, we host the podcast, it's a fitness podcast, we have the, just the blessing of being able to meet all these influential fitness stars, but I'm gonna tell you something right now, they're way less impressive in person than they are in pictures, and that's by design. I mean, if you're taking a picture of someone, you're not gonna put a picture,

you're gonna maximize the effect of that picture, and that's everything from lighting, pump, you die it, you know, Photoshop, you know, digital, you know, alterations of the... It still happens. And not only does it still happen, but it happens more often than not. And then you meet these people in person,

you're like, whoa, they don't look a lot like, you know, what I, what I, a picture them to look like. So that's really what worries me is that my kids may think that these are the ideals that they need to attain. And if they don't have these crazy genetics, and if they're not, and this always in these extreme dieted states, and I don't want it to motivate them to take, you know, diet pills or anabolic or anything like that, to try and look like, you know, what they think they need to look

like in order to be, you know, attractive. So that's my big issue. Sure. Yeah. I mean, for sure, like the whole vanity side and the aesthetic world, like, I mean, it's great to look good, but at the same time, yeah, I can get, I mean, honestly, there's just so much misinformation out there that I feel like we're just always gonna have

to be in their ear. It's just like what we do right now. I'm afraid of all of it, because I just don't see like many people spouting off really good information that's popular. Like we're finding all these people on our own and we're putting them on our show. I'm like, yeah, somebody that gets it and it's telling things that are like, you know, it's solid information. I just, I hope that they, I guess, I hope that

I don't detour them away, you know, from being over, overbearing with my philosophy and just my experience and all that, I wanna be more, let them sort of be inquisitive towards me and really wanna learn. If it's not for me, it's from somebody that I trust and I find them somebody to sort of model after, whether it's a sports pursuit or whether it's just lifestyle pursuit

or just healthy living and eating and, you know, like just better practices. But yeah, dude, I'm honestly, I'm afraid of it all. I just haven't seen anything good. You know, it's very small. Do you guys think that we are kids in Adam YouTube? I don't even have kids, but I'd like to hear your opinion. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm so scared of this.

It makes me not wanna have kids, dude. I'm not kidding. You talk about some of the reasons why I'm not interested in having children. This is one of them. I think, and I don't wanna be like all, doom and gloom. Yeah, right?

Everyone has got kids and wants kids so bad. But we, I, to piggyback off of what Sal was saying, man, we're in, and I'm, I'm, I mean, I just happened to be in the middle of reading a book called Irresistible right now. Fantastic book. And it talks about tech and the addiction and the way it, and the, how we've created it to be addictive. And man, it's, it's scary to think that we're not, we're only what, the way and how we've created it to be addictive. And man, it's scary to think that we're not, we're only what, nine or 10 years into the Facebook generation,

we have no fucking clue what the long term effects are gonna be like, we know what magazines did and advertising and marketing did in the 50s, 60s and 70s and we know what kind of issues it's caused with people as far as image issues and bulimia and anorexia and stuff like that. I'm scared to death on the generation that doesn't know anything else but social media that was born with a phone that was born with Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, and it doesn't go through a day without picking the phone up on average, which people, the average is like 50 something

times a day and over two hours a day of time that is being, and that's the average right now and that's by the way on a crazy increase right now. So I mean, you're talking about these kids come high school time, you know, your guys is when they hit high school. This is something that, do you police it? Do you, how do you, how do you manage that? I would be scared. It's new territory. It is. It's such new territory. And I think it's, it's, it's a lot scarier than I think anyone talks about. And I feel even more passionate about it going through this book and going like, whoa, I never thought of it like that. Well, trip off, trip off this, right?

You have kids growing up now posting selfies, lots of selfies. And, you know, guys, if they're working out, they're posting with a shirt off and then girls, especially because it's reinforced through attention are posing, you know, provocatively or trying to look cute or sexier, whatever. When we were kids, because this isn't, it didn't exist, it wasn't that long ago, you know,

it's one generation ago. If you were a kid that took lots of selfies and photos like that, like that was, that was very strange. It would be very, very strange for you. You know, could you imagine 15 years ago in high school or whatever? Oh, I got it. I was a tackle that guy.

If somebody like took a camera and like set it up on the thing and put the timer on it and like, and you walked by and you saw that, you'd be like, what the fuck? Like, at one point, that became very normal. Like, how normal is it right now? Right now. How, I remember the first day this happened. I remember it hit me like I was like, whoa, this is like so normal that this dude

didn't even stop doing it. I walk in the bathroom and you know. Now they hand you their fun, they hit bros. They'll ask you, people will ask you. You'll go in the bathroom and hey bro, you take a shot. You take a video of me doing the Smith machine. It's like, whoa, it's become so normal that it's not weird

to see at least three. I've actually gone into the golds, golds, men's bathroom and actually seen people lining up and waiting for the mirror for the mirror. No, you didn't know. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. That's happening. The mirror is a good lighting. Two, two, three dudes shirts off waiting for this guy to get his selfie. So I can now come in and get myself. Yeah, bro I'm losing my pump because we know that this is the best mirror with the best lighting in the entire gym And anybody who's taken one or two selfies in that gym knows that and so Literally people during a crazy time will have to wait for the other guy to get that and it's all fucking normal

Dude, I think Dude, think about this. Whoa, think about this. Think about this. Like imagine when we were kids, you're 18 years old or whatever, you know, you're a teenager. And there's a girl that's taking pictures of herself like inner bikini and looking hot and smiling and she's like sending it out to people. Hey guys, shake this all out.

Everybody be like, what the fuck is wrong? Check me out right now. Yeah, they be like, what is wrong with that girl? Like why is she doing that? It's like, you do now. She? Check me out right now. Yeah, they be like, what is wrong with that girl? Why is she doing that? It's like, they quit. That's what you do now. She's like going to thrifties and getting like a Polaroid or whatever, like getting her pictures developed

and then like putting it in the mail and sending it to everybody, you know, like, you'd be like, what this crazy bitch? Oh, thank you. You know, like, like I wanted this so bad. It's crazy to me and what really makes it crazy and what really scares me is I know, like, I wanted this so bad. It's crazy to me and what really makes it crazy and what really scares me is I know, like, my daughter's adorable, she's cute.

And she'll maybe she'll be really pretty when she grows up. And she might post a picture on social media and young dudes are young dudes and they're gonna like the fuck out of it. And girls are gonna like the fuck out of it because she's cute and maybe she's posing in a certain way or whatever.

And it's gonna reinforce to her that her values, like a value system. Her value is her appearance. It's reinforcing and this is already a problem that we've identified for generations now. Before social media, we've identified that especially with with young girls That and women that their value is their appearance and this is a shitty thing is a shitty side effect of The you know the the advertising that happens in a free market system for for example It's a side effect of it and it's a normal one where you believe that so much of your value is on your appearance And it's it's always been like this.

And let's be honest, for all the human history, of course, appearance makes a big difference. But never have we had this immediate feedback system, this reinforcement system, and never has it been like this for children at such a high level to where, you know, I'm going to check my phone, or I'm going to check my social media. Ooh, I got 100 likes, I got 200 likes.

And then tomorrow I have no likes and I need to put something up to get more of it. Do you know how many pages there are on Instagram with 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 followers that don't monetize, have nothing to do with business whatsoever? I have friends who have daughters, right, who are now in their teens and 20s even, who have 15,000 followers. Why? They're not selling anything.

They don't know any of these people. Why do you have 15,000 followers on social media? Because it feels good. It reinforces these types of things. And now imagine a child, a kid or a teenager growing up, get a reinforce that they're, that how they look is all important. It's super valuable. At some point, you know what happens to you? You get old. Everybody gets old. You know what you're going to end up seeing? What you see with people. Let's

take a section of society where this is extreme. Let's take a section of the populace where their image, how they look, is constantly reinforced, how important they are. And it really impacts how much money they make. Let's look at actors, actresses, and models. Do models, actors, and actresses, do they age well? Do any of them have an easy time aging?

They have a terrible time. No, no. It is a horrible experience. Well, they always get hooked on drugs. Hooked on drugs, hooked on plastic surgeries. I mean, have you ever met a 40-something-year-old, famous actress or actor I have? I've seen them in person.

Their faces don't move. They've got so much Botox and shit in their face. It's crazy. And this is going to happen to people, normal people, because they got that shit happening to them now. And social media. As a parent, now how do you handle this, right? So here's, you have to fucking police it, dude.

Well, chew on this, have to. So, and this is happening already now. And so you better believe the next 10 years it's gonna be even crazier that, and we just had a great post on the forum. Just recently someone shared, it was an educational video about the future of education and how you can build your own portfolio.

So, you do have some, I know some guys that are R-H and buddies of ours that have kids, and they actually have started their kids' Instagrams and their pages now and help so it can gain. So they can build it. Because in the future, that will be part of how you get hired. So if I have, so in 10 years, Sal and Justin come to me, I own the big gym and the neighborhood.

You guys both want jobs. You're both 17, 18 years old. You're fresh out of school and you're like, hey, I want to be a personal trainer. Equal education, you guys are just equally smart, look the same, it looks to say almost exactly the same. This one has a following over here. But you have a 15,000 person following.

Sal is only got 500 friends. So I got a strategy for this. I'm just gonna get a bunch of fake gold bars and I'm gonna take a bunch of pictures with that in the background of my kids and be like, oh, they're we're ballin'. Yeah. Okay. So you make a joke with this, you make a joke of that.

A thousand people are following. You make a joke of that, but the generation that grew up with all this, so fast forward again, ten years forward. You've had Facebook most of your life, right? Your young adulthood into adulthood, you've now had kids that are coming up. So now you're savvy to it. You know how it helped you get a job. You know how it propelled you. So what do you do? You go out and you buy a badass camera. You start taking shots. You start doctoring them up for your kid to build his image up earlier on. So his page starts to grow early so that he's got an even

bigger falling when it becomes an adult. So why am I kids going to be entrepreneurs? I can do any I should. Thank you. So here's so my biggest fear. Scary, bro. My big fear with this is, a, fuck working for people anyway. My kids are not allowed to have public social media pages until their adults. Period, end of story.

The the amount of predators online, especially for. You say a dog, you're... Do you mean you're gonna manage that till 18? I'm not gonna allow them to have public social media pages and we'll see how this works out as I'm saying. Yeah, I will not allow! Yeah, I'm thinking right now like a high school center daughter. No, no, no.

I'll let them keep it private. Like I have a private one. Like you know on Instagram, you can keep it private. Like that's okay, but a public one is a big problem. Again, there's a shit ton of predators out there. I was just reading about some huge, you know, bust that they just did on L.A. about these pedophiles that were finding kids on social media and stuff.

And a lot of parents, they let their kids have these public social media accounts, which I think is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy. So that's number one. And number two, I think the best approach, as with anything, right? It's like when you're afraid of your kids having sex

or doing drugs or anything else. Like, if you do the whole doom and gloom, don't do it. Speech, they tend to rebel. What I think I'm gonna do is I'm gonna try and teach them how to make it a business. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm gonna teach them the business of it. Like how you can make money off this.

How you can use this. You're manipulating the hurt. That's what, this way they could separate, they could separate themselves from it a little bit and understand, is that a good, is that a good money for your friends? Yeah, is that a take their money son? Yeah, you do put them into everything you want to do.

So, so trip off this, right? This is a story I read a year ago and I just looked it up, so I wanna make sure I was accurate. So you guys know that China, so the communist people's Republic of China is using social media to, they're going to start using social media to help control the population. Have you heard of this?

No, I have no. Please share. So the China is so forward thinking. Exactly. So China is going to give their citizens a score. And that's school. I'll let out popular there. Sorry, you don't know what I'm saying. You're the weakest link.

You're gonna have to have. And you're just not interesting. Bro, we're gonna kick out of the country. You're laughing right now, but check this out. This is scary, right? So people are gonna get a score and it's based on everything from the things that you like online to how you pay off your loans to the possessions you have your education your your body

Like you're gonna. They're gonna mass all this data and they're gonna use it to give people a score based on what they think that you know Is a good citizen right? Wow, all right? All right, here's great now. Here's what's crazy? That's fucked up, man Your score will determine whether or not you get privileges or you get privileges taken away. And here's the crazier part. If you associate with people with lower scores, it lowers your score. So now they've got to have a whole cast system like over.

So now they're going to use so. At you were at 9.5 until you started hanging out with Sal. Now we're giving you a set point to. I don't want you to pick my number. You wait for me. So they're going to use social pressures then to get people to do what too, my number. Yeah, that's right. So they need social pressures, then to get people to do what they want, what the communist regime wants people to do,

to get these scores, to do better, to get more privileges and stuff like that. Brilliant. Scary, scary shit. Wow. I'm not having kids. Sorry, hun. And it's confirmed.

When in doubt, that or will adopt a 22 year old. That's my other option. Oh, adopt a 22 year old. Yeah, that's it. That's my other option. Oh 22 year old Next up is fit by Fabian hit versus list cardio Which is best to get ready for stage. I just love the acronyms You know, I mean it sounds cool, but list this sounds stupid. Yeah, what are you doing right now, Liz? I'm just listening. I'm just listening. I just like to listen.

Um, it's the double S's that you're listening. Liz is my favorite. Yeah, so don't miss your list. Yeah. So which one's better? This is we've had a lot of a list. We've had so much less. Yeah, there's we've had a lot of these questions lately where the answer is it depends. So here's the pros and the cons of each in my opinion. The pros of hit is it burns a lot of calories short period of time. So you don't need to spend as much time doing it.

Improves performance a little bit better if you're performance based. If you're trying to get ready for stage that doesn't really matter. So who cares about that? There may be a muscle sparing effect from a hit under certain circumstances. Now with lists, the positives are, it's easier. It's not as intense, but it takes a little longer. If your workouts are super intense anyway, it may be more appropriate to do lists because if you're already pushing your

body to the red line, to the limit with your diet, with your weights, especially if you're getting on stage, and then you're going to go expand intense energy doing sprints and stuff, then may push your body out over the edge, whereas a walk or low intensity cardio is not going to affect your central nervous system as much, and you'll still burn that type of cardio. Don't you do neat primarily Adam and then towards the end getting up into the last peak week or whatever it's when you start experimenting with hit? So, first of all, this is funny because we were training and I were talking about this last night. And I think it's crazy if you are a competitor and you don't own a wearable.

If you're an average person and you're anti-tech and you don't wanna do it, that's fine. I don't but if you're a competitor and you're not using a tool like a wearable and you're asking questions like this, I think it's crazy to me because, and I was just sharing this with my pro buddy, like, dude, what are you doing?

Like, you do all these routines of cardio and stuff like that, but every fucking day is so unique and different. Like, that is how I decide if I'm doing lists hit or I'm just gonna do neat for the day because there are certain days where I get up two hours earlier I stay up two or three hours. I have to walk in the mall I have to go grow grocery shopping. I had to clean something up in the yard of the house and all of that makes a huge difference in your total coloric expenditure

So if you are dieting for a show and you're on a meal plan that your coach puts you on that is the same amount of calories every day to get you to lose a certain amount of weight, then your meat, lice and hit should reflect that. So if you're not tracking a pay attention that you're already losing the battle here. So I think at any pro that doesn't do that, they're following their bro's science of, I've done this before it works for me, but they really don't understand the science of what they're doing. So when I start to get ready and cut for a show, which is kind of what I'm doing right now. So if you're not paying attention to my Insta story, you're going to watch exactly how I interviewed. You're going to see exactly how I introduced Cardio. I'm not doing any cardio right now, but if you've watched, when I first started,

I was averaging about eight to 10,000 steps a day. And that was me not trying to move extra. I actually went out of my way to be sedentary, to not go walk on the treadmill, not take extra steps, park further away in the parking lot, just track. So I would track for the first week,

see what my average movement is. I was averaging eight to 10,000 steps. As I start to decide, I'm going to start leaning out getting ready for a show. I then start to slowly increase my steps. So you're neat, like Justin was saying. So I'm just worried about that no cardio, no list, no hit none of that yet. I'm just starting to move more. And I'll do little things like park farther away at the gym. I'll park way far away. I have to wear at the walk an extra 500 to a thousand steps to get in the gym and get out of the gym. I'll go grocery shopping. I'll do extra chores around the house. Little things that start to just increase the movement. Then the first bit of any sort of cardio that I introduce is 12 to 15 minutes of hit. And when I do it, I do it strategically.

I add three days a week on top of wherever my current steps are. So if I'm now up to averaging 16 to 18,000 steps, which is about where I'm at now, I'm almost to this point, by the way, where I'm going to start to introduce three days a week of 12 to 15 minutes hit. So post workout, I'll go over to 12, 15 minutes a hit, I'm done. No cardio. I'll do that for a couple weeks, probably about two, since it's about all it takes for the bodies to start to get adapted to

your cardio vascular training. Then I'll start to add in some lists. And lists for me is almost like neat. So, there list is low intensity steady state cardio, right? So, walking. So I'll get on the treadmill now and I will actively walk for 45 minutes to an hour, but all of it is all relative to my movement in the day. I won't do any cardio if I just like, we just had, where do we just go? Katrina and I went somewhere. And I had like a 20,000 step day. I won't do any cardio if I just like, we just had, where do we just go? Katrina and I went somewhere and I had like a 20,000 step day.

And if that happened during this process, guess what, that would be the day that I wouldn't do any lists. I wouldn't need to because I actually burned an extra 800 calories just through moving throughout my day. So why would I add the cardio on top of that? I don't need to do that. My body's already burning more than I need it to

I would definitely do it on a day Or guess what? We were in meetings. We had to fly to Florida We had to do something that made me stay Cetantary for a majority of the day So then I would do lists and the amount of time that I do the list would be dictated off of how much movement I did in the day So when I hear competitors that aren't tracking this and aren't paying attention to this, it blows my mind because they get so caught up in all the acronyms of lists, hit, you know,

high intents are doing longs of bouts of cardio and doing the robs versus the stair master versus the elliptical. And it's like, dude, you don't even know the difference between Monday and Thursday, your movement, but yet you're worried or you're asking, oh, is this cardio better than that cardio? Like, you need to figure out how much your body is moving and burning first, and forget about if the tool is exactly precise.

You're looking for the consistency in your movement. You don't understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm glad you explained the acronym because I just realized there may be some listeners who don't know what the, like what hit is and what lists is. So, this is the long, steady state, low intensity cardio hit is the high intensity short about interval type of cardio.

Here's the other thing you want to consider. If you're getting ready for stage, competitors on stage tend to, they look at cardio like it's this magic fat burning thing that they do. All you're doing is you're burning calories, okay? You're trying to burn calories with cardio. Couldn't you just eat less calories too? I mean, couldn't you technically like, you know, you've got this competitor who's eating,

you know, one and a half grams of protein per pound of body weight and there's way too much protein. Let's break the science down on why I do that opposed to doing cardio. And I'll explain this because I think this is important that people understand this. I am less likely to lose muscle by reducing my caloric intake and just walking and being and doing focusing on my neat? Then I am to eat less calories and push my body harder on the treadmill. We've talked about this on the show before. If you do lots of cardio, you are sending a signal to your body that it is not advantageous to have all this muscle that you built on the off season.

So I don't want to do a ton of cardio if I'm trying to lean out. Sure, it helps burn lots of calories like sourcing, but it would be way more advantageous to reduce the caloric intake and keep my intensity lower. I'm more likely to hold on to my lean body mass. Dude, how big of a role do you think the overuse of cardio plays? Well, think about it. The overuse of cardio with a competitor Getting ready for stage because I've seen competitors 12 weeks out already doing an hour a cardio every single day like what role do you think that plays and then destroying their metabolism? Oh a big role and not only that it's crazy. I mean you could technically get

Shredded you definitely could get shredded without a single bit of cardio It's the it's just you're already lifting weights, so it's not like you're not active. I'm not talking about someone who's lazy and doesn't do anything. You're lifting weights probably six days a week anyway. Think cardio for me is having nitrous, if I'm a car racer, right?

And all the real work is in building the engine, the good tires, aerodynamic, you've done all the real work is in building the engine, the good tires, aerodynamic. You've done all the work to engineer the perfect car for speed. Car racing. And you've also got this can of 50 shots of nitrous. But all you got is 50 shots of nitrous. That's all you got. You can try and shoot it every single day, leading up there until it runs out and see where

you're at. Or you can hang on to it and use it when you when you need to to actually get a little bit more out or lean out. I beat all you guys it off road. Well, I use this analogy because when you're competing, it's totally different than the average person who's just trying to get in shape. When I'm competing, I have a date. I have to look a certain way on stage.

And I want to know that I got I want to know that I got, I want to know that I got that nitrous there for those final couple of weeks. If I notice that I did my timing is off. If I come down to the last two weeks and I go, oh shit, I should be a little bit leaner than where I'm at right now. I'm a little behind schedule.

Oh, guess what? I haven't done any cardio. This is awesome. I now have this that I can implement into my routine that's gonna really help. Now, that same person who's already had been doing an hour cardio, like Sal said, for the last six weeks of their prep,

they're in the same predicament as I am, only their body is so adapted. And all they can do now is add more cardio, which just sends a bigger signal that they need to be more efficient and maybe lose muscle. It's just cardio should definitely be used as an emergency thing. If you're getting on stage, you're already lifting weights, you're already active. Now, if you just want to be healthy, it's good to just have active.

Totally different, right? Totally definitely. And if you want to improve your VO2 max and your endurance, then cardio should be used for performance. Or it's specific, for sure. Yeah, but that's different, right? To get ready for stage, here's what happens with cardio very quickly, actually.

As you're burning more calories doing cardio consistently, your body's metabolism actually slows down to match the calorie expenditure. Now, this doesn't happen with resistance training, because although while you're burning calories with resistance training, your body can slow its metabolism down to match the output you're also sending a signal that it needs more muscle and that more muscle in turn burdens more calories so resistance training speeds up metabolism

cardio slows down your metabolism and the last thing you want to do going into a stage is just hammer your metabolism I mean how many competitors have you run into? You know, female competitors who are eating a thousand calories, lifting weights for an hour and doing an hour cardio a day up until working up to a content. It's ridiculous. It's crazy. It is crazy and I do want to make a point that this, when you're talking about stage,

you're talking about a competitive sport. Totally, rules of health are different. Okay, so somebody who does cardio because they want to be like for overall health and cardio condition, someone who wants to do it for sports, like Justin said, totally different. When you ask me a competitor question specifically for getting up on stage, I'm gonna say, where the fuck is your wearable and why are you doing cardio? That is should be a tool that you want to save in your arsenal and it's there for that. I need to the last few weeks ramp things up. Otherwise,

I want to figure out, I want to manipulate everything through my resistance training, the volume of my training and my nutrition. I want to manipulate everything. I want to save that cardio because, like Sal said, it does not take very long for the body to adapt to whatever, whether it be lists, hit, or no matter what type of cardio you're doing, the body fears it out really quick and becomes very efficient. Take that waste trainer off, bitch.

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next question is from justin lackey how do you reconcile the fact-based information you share on the show was someone like paul check who actively rebukes all scientific understanding so they didn't like wait like a check there so i don't know if i would say he rebukes scientific understanding at all. No, if anything, he, so first off, I don't think anybody is infallible, so including Paul. I like Paul a lot as a person and I respect a lot of what he has brought to the wellness world. Paul check in my opinion is the Godfather of the wellness world, that the holistic wellness world.

This guy's been doing this stuff way before it was popular. Paul Check introduced the Physioball to exercise. He talked about using fats in your coffee to slow down the absorption before anybody else did. He talked about gut health and microbiome health before anybody else did. And when he was doing this, he was laughed at. He was laughed at, made fun of.

And these are things now that we take for granted, things that we all now accept as science and is important. Well, I want to know specifics. Like he's saying, like, you know, like he brought up things that were not within the scientific understanding. Well, when he talks about spiritual outings, so I get where what he's trying to say by that

because there are things that Paul will say. But still, that was outside of like a regular conversation about like scientific practices that he applies. This is what Paul does a lot of. And so I get I'm gonna help kind of defend this guy a little bit, but then I'm also gonna check him because no pun intended right? And so I get I'm gonna help kind of defend this guy a little bit, but then I'm also gonna check him because No, no pun intended right so that works so well. Yeah, right?

so Here's the deal like Paul absolutely is science-based. Yeah, but then what he does from all the science which he has like bored with science He has a ton of it He's also the guy who is theorizing other things and going beyond where science has proven yet. And so when a guy like myself listens to him and you hear him and you're like, oh shit, that's right on. That's right, whoa, where are we going now?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, like that's, I, that is way beyond the question or the answer that I was looking for, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a rebuking science. He's talking about theories that, in my opinion, make a lot of sense, are they for sure right? I don't know, but I also don't know they're wrong either. And I do know that the foundation of everything

that he talks about is very science. Well, here's what's funny. If you, if you were to take his course, especially the first couple courses, because once you get to the later ones, then it gets esoteric as well, from my understanding. I'm never taking the course, but it's from my understanding. But if you take his early courses, it's very, very science-based. If you ever meet Paul and just get on a scientific discussion about the human body, biomechanics, anatomy, the digestive system, the hormonal system, psychology, all these different things.

He is very, very science-based. The problem is he gets bored with that. So when we have one on the show, we'll see that's what I think it is. Yeah. When we get him on the show, we're asking questions about exercises in biomechanics. He'll answer answer for two seconds and then he goes off onto his esoteric stuff, which is not science, it's the opposite of science

and doesn't mean it's wrong, it's just, how would you discuss those esoteric concepts of like spirituality and all those different things? How do you discuss those on a scientific, using the scientific method? I don't think you can necessarily, right? So he kind of comes across that way, but here's the other thing about our show,

is that we have people on our show that we like, but that doesn't mean we agree with them all the time. Right. We just like the people, and we had the polar opposite of Paul Check in this realm on our show too, Lane Norton, we had a four hour episode of Lane. You put Lane and Paul and Paul in a room together and they probably turn

into a black hole because there's, they're, they're, they're, they're such polar opposites who know they probably spin around each other. Like, Nova explosion. Yeah, who knows? Like, but we like them both. We think they both bring interesting perspectives. And we also provide that challenge. I like the challenge everybody's thought process.

And I think that it's not fair to make a statement that he doesn't like live in the science realm because he absolutely does, and that's the foundation that you guys mentioned. It's just that he challenges the thought process and it goes really out there. And it's really hard to sit and listen to some of those. Paul is not the best communicator. Yeah, that's the truth. out there and it's really hard to sit and listen to some of those.

Paul is not the best communicator. No, that's the truth. I think it's very simple minded also to rebuke a person just because you don't agree with everything they say. I mean, like you just gave a great analysis. Just to dismiss somebody right away. Lane and Paul may not be the two best friends and may not hang out with each other and may totally disagree on it.

But that's one of the things that we pride ourselves on at. Mine pump is that we are very open minded. And there are qualities that I absolutely love about Lane Norton. There's qualities that I absolutely love about Paul Check, even though their ideologies may be completely different. Like, to me, that's so small minded

that you would think, like, oh, why would we bring someone on, like, we're gonna bring people on the show a lot that I don't agree with everything they say. Like, somebody was trying to... It was just more interesting. I mean, the most... There was some most... Confirmation bias, everything.

You know, like... Some little troll was trying to start some shit between Lane and I, because I said some shit about Lane on the show. I'm like, there's nothing that I've said on the show about Lane that I wouldn't fucking tell Lane to his face. I'd dinner with the motherfucker just like a week ago. So you don't know anything about our relationships with these people and like what we think about

them. If they're on our show, we fucking like something about them. They're so and we believe that there's something about their message that people can take away from. They don't need to line up with every view that we have. In fact, that's how you get confirmation bias. That's how you get people that get stuck in a dogma because they're not willing to expand and not think outside the box and maybe maybe listen to people that actually conflict with some of their views.

And you know, we just that's how you grow. We just got back from Tampa and we met with Ben Pekolsky and we had great conversations with them. And Ben Pekolsky's mantra is feel the muscle don't train the movement. This is like the opposite of a lot of times what I say, which is train the movement on the chalkboard the movement. This is like the opposite of a lot of times what I say, which is training the movement. It's on the chalkboard. And don't write, especially the opposite of what Justin would say, but do we listen to him? We do. We hear it.

And are there takeaways from it? Yeah. Absolutely. You know, it's funny. We know it's funny thing that what happens when you open-minded. You end up learning shit. I mean, that's just the bottom line. And I guarantee you, we're gonna have a guest on our show at some point that we disagree with completely. I guarantee

we'll have a guest on our show at some point where we don't agree with a damn thing they say, but the reason we want them on the show is so that we can debate and discuss and maybe out of the debate and discussion that happens on the show, people will learn something, or it will spark someone's interest to learn something or to look deeper. So We don't agree with everything Paul says No, part of it's because I don't understand everything he says right and part of it is I may actually disagree or Maybe I communicated differently the same thing is true with Lane Norton and you know Tom Bill you and some of the other guests that we've had on the show so You know again, I disagree with the person. Yeah. I can't think of one person I wouldn't challenge.

You know what I mean? Like on something, right? On something. Yeah, absolutely. Like, come on. That's, if you're not doing that constantly, then I don't know, I'm worried about you. Yeah.

You know, like if you're gonna just accept somebody, like, oh, they're always, like, like, you just like, you put them up on this pedestal, well, guess what? They're gonna fail you. You know, so you just're always like, like you just like, you put them up on this pedestal. Well, guess what, they're gonna fail you. And so you just have to like, you have to take, you sort of compartmentalize it and take and extract the truth in a lot of what they're saying. So like both of those examples are great examples,

like Paul checks and you know, you're laying Norton's because they obviously are passionate and different arenas for reason. You know, it's fun. And both are fucking brilliant. Both are badass dudes. And their own way. You know what I'm saying?

That's what it, God, I mean, I have, maybe what's made me passionate about personal training is I love humans, dude. I love people. I love how unique everybody is and what makes everybody tick, man. And I think that is something that I always want us to bring

to this show is like, I don't ever want to, man, I remember when we also did, what was his name that we brought on for, we brought him on for internet marketing and we totally went into the evolution creation time. Very Marshall. Yeah. And I know that freaked out some people

because of his theories on that and got into these huge debates. It's like, dude, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I'm a hundred per person. So firm on creationism. You're so firm on evolution. Like, like, dude, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I'm 100% firm on creationism. You're so firm on evolution. Like, like, he's an intelligent. He's an intelligent, I'll figure it out.

But a very intelligent man, and it's listening to him talk, is awesome. Dude, I'm whether I agree or disagree. I'm telling you, it's actually pretty, it's enjoyable if you allow yourself to be enjoyed to enjoy it, to listen to people with completely opposite view from you. If you just stop for a second and it's hard,

but look, we just watched the documentary, What the Health, which was- And we sat through the whole thing. You know what? And you know what? I listened to hear like, I wanna hear what their points are, like are they making good points? Now, they made very few good points in my opinion, but I enjoyed watching or hear what their points are, like, are they making good points? Now, they made very few good points, in my opinion,

but I enjoyed watching or hearing what their arguments are. I want to hear what their arguments are, because then I don't know what my side is well enough, if I don't know what the other side is. Well, I think when you actually talked about it, we wouldn't have been able to do that, because I felt that when you even discussed it, you had such a great understanding of the passion behind

the people that probably put that documentary together because of their passion for saving animals. And when you fully understand, when you watch all of it with an open mind, even though it's totally opposite of what we believe to talk about, yeah. It is very clear. And you also have this compassion for them.

It's not like this, oh, that's a stupid documentary. We rebuke it, we want nothing to do with it. It's ridiculous. And I would never listen to that propaganda. It's like like this. Oh, that's a stupid documentary. We rebuke it. We want nothing to do with it It's ridiculous. And I would never listen to that propaganda. It's like, hey, you know what? I remember you you just talked about this on the show recently you said, you know, when people are very passionate about something like some Begins are especially when it come they look at animals like they look at humans and they would do anything to save them Even if that means putting out something that is a little biased, like that documentary, it makes me have even more compassion for it instead of being so angry about it that it's bad information. It's like, hey, I get where they're coming from

and I get how passionate they are about or they believe that they're willing to put some misinformation out there. If it means that they can get three less people to eat meat because that's three animals that they could potentially save. And that's three lives that they could be saving. And that is worth it for them. Yeah, I understand. And you know, the other thing you wanna consider when people rebuke scientific understanding because I do that sometimes too.

We do that in here too. For example, the current scientific understanding of glyphosate or artificial sweeteners. If I was to look up the current scientific, you know, what the FDA says, what the top scientific organizations will say, their current understanding of those things is so far, it's safe and use those things. Now I'm going to rebuke them because there's other things, there's other threads of truth that I'm finding in some of my own research.

It just hasn't been accepted yet. And I believe it'll change as we go along. If I were, if this were the 1920s, okay? And I were rebuking the scientific understanding of cigarettes. If I were sitting here saying, listen, cigarettes are addictive. Cigarette smoke causes cancer. I would be rebuking all scientific understanding at that time of cigarette smoke causes cancer I would be rebuking all scientific understanding at that time of cigarette smoke because at that time doctors and scientists

were saying it's not addictive and it doesn't cause lung cancer so that's something else you want to keep in mind when you hear someone rebuking scientific understanding don't block them out because you think the're rebuking scientific understanding. They could very well be totally wrong and idiots or Sometimes you you hear what they're saying and they point you in a certain direction you start doing your own research and you go Oh shit, this is kind of crazy. Let's like leaky gut syndrome You know 10 years ago. I heard about leaky gut syndrome first 10 years ago I brought it up to a lot of the doctors and I trained. I trained a lot of doctors and surgeons. They laughed.

They laughed and they said, oh, that's bullshit. You know, that's made up. That's, I don't remember what they call it, but it was basically bullshit. Guess what? It's starting to, not yet, but it's starting to become accepted.

You're gonna see in the next five to 10 years it probably will be accepted. Now, at the time, you're crazy or whatever, but if you listen, like I did, I actually sat there and listened, and I said, wait a minute, this could very well be true. This isn't sound like bullshit.

A lot of these things that are happening right now, we can't explain. This definitely could explain the thing. I don't necessarily believe that this may be the explanation, but I do think that they may be on the right track, and I definitely see how the current scientific understanding is wrong on this Sounds like it's wrong in this respect. Well, then you come out with better information So well and circling back to Paul what I think when Paul starts to get the

Kind of religious spiritual talk. It really turns a lot of people away But I think the part of me that's so drawn to that is something that I found out in exercise science and being a trainer who was based off of that for most of my career, I started to find out that actually that was the smaller piece and the psychological piece and the people's emotion and their relationship with themselves and all the shit that really science can't explain very well

was more important to them getting their goals and getting seeing the shit that really science can't explain very well was more important to them getting their goals and getting seeing the results that he to and actually making improvements in their life transformative. Yeah, it was way more transformative and when I started looking deeper into that type of stuff, which is tough for me to explain as a trainer like, you know, getting hits your ego even harder. Right. You know, and try explaining ego scientifically. Right. You know, you can't.

It's really tough to do. But yet we know that that stuff plays a huge role in people's success or failure towards getting their goals. So when I hear someone like Paul Tyk, that way, sure, I hear someone say, I'm gonna go, that sounds crazy. But a lot of good comes from what that man is talking about and a lot of stuff can be taken away.

I wish he communicated it a little bit better. I wish I wish he cared. He doesn't give a shit what people think about it. That's what I love about the guy. But I do think his message, there's a lot of powerful things that he says in there that it isn't science based. I've just seen too many things now

and the 20 years I've been in fitness and health. I've just seen too many things now and the 20 years I've been in fitness and health. I've just seen too many things that came out and at the time were bullshit and it's not scientific and that's balloon fasting. Fasting is a great example. Did you know, if you're a younger listener, you have no idea, but when I first got into fitness, if you talked about fasting because it was good

for your body and the detox your body and you need to fast the area of toxins, whatever, we made fun of it. It was bullshit, the liver does. If you miss a meal, you're losing muscle. Yeah, well not only that, but the liver does a great job of detox, you're not toxic.

What are you talking about? Fasting, there's no health benefits, the fasting. And here, the spiritual religious wellness, weirdos. And here though, these spiritual, religious, wellness, you know, weirdos were coming and saying, no, you feel, I have so much energy when I fast. And I'm thinking like, no, you don't, you don't have no food in you. You're fucking crazy.

Like this is, and guess what? They were right. Yeah. They were right. Now they may have communicated in their language, but they were right. At the time, they rebuked all scientific understanding. And guess what scientific understanding says today?

They were right, fast thing was right. So again, you gotta be careful with, and I have so many examples. I remember taking my kids to the doctor, and they had a cough, and the doctor tells me, you know, oh yeah, if you give them some honey, that'll help with their cough. And I'm like, what?

I thought that was an old wives tale. In fact, that's what I was told years ago, that it's an old wives tale. She says, no, we actually discovered that there's a compound in honey that suppresses the part of the brain that causes the coughing reflex. And so it helps with coughing. I'm like, well, fuck me. Would you look at that? So again, rebuking scientific understanding, not a problem. Just be open-minded. And you may find out that their information may be correct.

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