Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 546: Mixing Rep Ranges Within a Workout, UV Sun Exposure, Second Chance Steroids & MORE

Episode Date: July 7, 2017

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this awesome episode of Mind Pump, me and Adam get into Justin a little bit. We do. We ask him all about his Star Wars religion, I mean, philosophy. Then we talk about that. And his awesome shirt.

Then we talk about cool shows that we're really into. I talk about Black Mirror on Netflix. If you like scary stuff. Adam likes Genius on Nat Geo. Yes, I know we've reversed roles here. Then we talk about House of Cars. And then we get into the questions. We talk about what we think people will be struggling with awareness-wise, 30

years into the future. Sorry, normal. Then got weird. Then we talk about mixing up your rep ranges within your workout. Is that as effective as phasing your workouts? Then we talk about UV exposure and our thoughts on that topic because of course we're experts in the field of dermatology. We're gonna go with it. And lastly, if Adam could go back in time,

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mindpumpmedia.com. Oh, you got your new shirt in, I just saw. Yeah, you got a new shirt. Bam! What do you mean, what's up with that shirt? What's the thing about it? What are you talking about, dude? This is like epic.

It's a whole lot of epic in one shirt. It's a big Star Wars shirt, but what's special about it? I don't get it. He just ordered it. Fuck you. Yeah, but okay, but there's something special about it besides the big It is special. It's why because it is

What is the underneath? What's that word there? It's just Star Wars daily. I don't know. I don't really care about that I just care about the epicness of everything. It's going on here. So Justin Let me ask you this. You guys you've got You're obviously a big Star Wars fan. This is not a secret. No. I would even say it's borderline. It's not there, but it's borderline. You know, I flirt with it and I pull back. Well, I was gonna say, like, you might, at some point need, like, let's say something bad and depressing happened you,

you would go over the line and it would become a psychological issue. But you're not there yet. You're just like, you're there, right? You're close, but you're not there. I'm not even close. Why don't you have any tattoos of Star Wars? He's thought about it. I know he has.

I know he has. He's like, that's what he thought about, look. Cause it's too much like, that's like, it's an interbattle. Oh, I love this company. I'm gonna put a company's logo on my body. That's fucking stupid. Yeah. See, but that's not the Justin that I know, because the Justin I know, I believe that Star Wars is far more than just a company.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I like, you know what? I struggle with it because I do. I do kind of want to have like stormtroopers and fucking Darth Vader and you know, some cool shit. Would you say Star Wars as much as it is a franchise and a big business is a philosophy? Yeah. Yeah, it is a franchise and a big business is a philosophy. Yeah. Yeah, it is. That's the way of being. That's what I'm saying.

Like I feel like you could have like a quote, like a Yoda quote or something. If you fucking have that. When somebody meets you. I don't put words on my body though. When somebody meets you Justin and they want, like I'm a 20 year old, like I'm only 20 years old, 19, 20 years old.

I'm already not listening to you. But go ahead. And I don't fully understand Star Wars. I have maybe never seen any of the episodes when I've heard great things about it. How do you describe the show or describe the series to a mind that doesn't fully understand it? Like how do you like, how do you describe the show or describe the series to a mind that doesn't fully understand it? Like how do you like, how do you sell the show?

How do you like prep them into it? Like when it comes to- Yeah, I'll be honest, as a kid watching it, I didn't understand the depth of it until I got older. As I got older, when like, oh shit, now I get it, there's like this whole myth, there's allegories. Yeah, I was too young. I mean, God, what are we, early 80s when it first came out?

So I was only, you know. Oh, I see. I was like, five years old allegories. Yeah, I was too young. I mean, God, what are we early 80s when it first came out? So I was only, you know, oh, I see. I was like five years old watching it. Like I didn't put that together. I know, because people would be caught up in like cheesy graphics or like costumes. Like that, to me as a kid, and this is also why I think some, like, okay, so if you were born in the R-H, right?

If you're born R-H, if you were born in the 80s, I was born in the 39. Yeah, or really old, 70s. And you watched them as a kid and maybe it didn't resonate with you or whatever and then you've moved on from it. And you talk about Star Wars, you think of it like, oh, yeah, the graphics are cheesy. Oh, what I'm not into. But those that actually watched it later on and were older and understand that there's like this deep message underneath it. Yeah. All right. Those people I feel like have a greater appreciation. So how do you explain that to somebody who doesn't understand Star Wars?

I don't think you can. They find it. The force is not with you. Well, they find it if they're looking for it. It's a lot of surface people out there. And I can identify you right away. Oh shit. Oh shit.

So it feels like it's almost like you asked Justin. It's no different than if you right away. Basically you're in a relationship. Oh shit. Oh shit. So it feels like it's almost like you asked Justin, it's no different than if you said Justin, can you explain God to such a... It's virtuality. It's like no, they have to find it. No, you gotta find your own path. You have to find your own path. You do the research.

Would you say that Star Wars, besides being a major fan, like you love it, right? Would you say that it impacted you in a way that made you live your life differently? I think that it- Don't fucking lie either, Justin. Well, yeah. Tell us the truth.

In ways, but like- I mean, I really, well I come from- That's fucking powerful, dude. Well, here's the thing, dude. I come from a religious background, and for me, like, I like tangible things to think about, like besides just like this, like mysterious, like I'm trying to figure all this out based off of something that's like, you know, people trying to Scribe God, people try to describe like, you know, religion in all these ways. It's like it's not really tangible. You want to send me a more realistic and tangible?

Well, yeah, just a death star. Yeah, just like the death star like overcoming something like a space movie about Yeah, just like the desktop. Like an overcoming something. Like a space movie about a distant future. What the fuck, you guys? I can't have this conversation. I'm about an M2. No, no, no, stop. I'm going to use surface bastards.

I, okay, last question, and then we'll move on. I promise, just apologize for putting you on the spot. Last question, you have to answer truthfully, because if you don't, then we're both going to jump you. Okay. Okay. So here's the question. Yeah. honest. You're gonna jump me? No, no, no, we're not gonna jump you, bro I'm just kidding. Yeah, you'd be pretty hard to jump in. Yeah, bring it. Be honest now. Hmm. Have you ever watched Star Wars porn?

Yeah, there's your answer. Your hesitation. Metal bikini. 100%. 100%. We don't need to know the details. Come on, I'll go on. I'm not afraid. Your lightsaber. Bro, you can, dude, like return to the Jedi.

Come on, man. Like, Jesus slave. Like, uh, something, something spicy there. I feel like if Courtney has not dressed up as Princess Lay already, I think she hasn't. Okay, so I'm gonna,, so I'm gonna oh you're hitting the soft spot. He got a little Seven here. It's it's waiting. Court Courtney you need to you need to step your game up on a little bit right now because I know I know she wasn't for my man. This is a good birthday present right here

But what if she dressed up? What if she's like I don't want to dress up like Princess Leia or dress up like Han Solo would you still be a rouse or would it be weird? I mean, it would be weird at first. He's like, but I could get to that. I'm like, hmm, this is an iconic character. I have to tackle this. Is that your blaster, I think? I'm just gonna see.

All right, change the subject. That's getting weird. Dude, you're real weird, dude. You guys have to watch Black Mirror on Netflix. Dude, it's scary. I swear to God, bro, you're such a pussy. You're gonna put that, you're gonna shout that one out. So all you guys at like dark stuff or scary stuff,

go watch it. I'm gonna shout out Genius on Nat Geo. Nah, two traumatized. Dude, so what? It's not just two traumatized. Traumatized, two traumatized. You're two. So here's what Genius, I did.

I watched the first like three episodes. Genius is the life of Einstein, which when I saw the description, I jizzed in my pants, I was so excited. I was like, oh shit, ah, this can be cool. And then I watch it and it's a fucking dramatization. It's like a movie with actors who are pretending to be Einstein and it's going through his life.

And I hate learning about people like that. I like to watch documentaries where they have old photos and people talking over them, the boring ones. Those are the ones I like to watch. So you know what, okay, and I don't like dramatization. And I could somewhat agree with you here, but I'm gonna, I actually, the boring ones. Those are the ones I like to watch. So you know what, okay, and I don't like drawing things. And I could somewhat agree with you here, but I'm gonna, I actually, this is funny, I like to be entertained by someone like this first,

and then if I, what this makes me wanna do now is actually go get a book on him, or then go search a boring documentary, because I wanna be entertained. I'm sitting down and watching TV, so I'm part of me wants to be entertained. I don't wanna to watch TV, so I'm like, part of me wants to be entertained. I don't want to be, like, if I want to be completely learning 100%, I'm gonna be in a book or whatever, right?

So there's a part of me that wants to be entertained visually. So I enjoy the, I enjoy the drama side of it. And I also take it with a grain of salt too. So I'm not like one of those people that watches it and go like, oh my God, did you know that this happened to Albert Einstein? And he was with, you know, this was going on with Hitler and Hitler and him and like, like, because it was in a show. There's a lot of cool, like Einstein's an interesting person to learn about. Well, he used to bang like young chicks all the time. I'm telling you right now after watching the show, I'm using

his mind powers. I'm like going out, I'm searching for a book right now to read on his life because he is even more fascinating than I had already, what I'm searching for a book right now to read on his life because he is Even more fascinating than I had already what I had already known So here's what I find very this is this is something that we tend to do as humans is when there was an individual That's historically relevant somebody who's like legendary historically, right that they did something Really good like one thing or a couple things really good We don't know all the dirt. Well, no very historically, right? That they did something really good. Like one thing or a couple of things really good. We don't know all the dirt.

Well, no, what happens is we romanticize them and make them these like perfect amazing people. I find it more fascinating to learn about how human they were. Well, I think he was very flawed human beings. I think this show does a good job of that. Yeah, it does do that. But I read the learning.

He definitely, he looks like a bad father. He looks, he was definitely a womanizer. He had lots of women always and he was married to multiple. And even though he was married, he was with younger women like you said. Like, I don't, I don't think they, nobody learns that by the way. People, a lot of people don't know that about Einstein. Yeah, this is some of the stuff and that's's why I thought they'd do a pretty good job. Now I'm sure there's things that are exaggerated.

He talked shit about quantum physics. Yeah, he said it was big. Yeah, he basically is like, it doesn't make any sense. He didn't really acknowledge it. And then of course, now, later on, we know how real it is. But no, he's a very interesting person, but if you really wanna learn about someone that will blow your mind, and half the stuff I read about him,

I'm almost like, this can't be true. It's Teddy Roosevelt. You guys ever read about it? You know what? Batman was actually based off of him. I heard that somewhere because he's, in the middle of the night, he used to go fight crime and stuff on the street. Teddy Roosevelt was, I swear to God, Adam.

Adam. Yeah, did you take a Billy Club and like go out and like, regularly read about Teddy Roosevelt. Okay, if think about the most bad ass, think about the most macho, like super machismo bad ass, like to like, stereo typical dude. He's that times a million. He was giving a speech in front of a crowd, like a stereo typical dude. He's that times a million. He was giving a speech in front of a crowd, like a huge speech. Someone shot him in the fucking body,

like I think when the chest, and he was wounded, bleeding, finishes his speech. Doesn't, like he's like, no, I'm not leaving. I'm finishing my speech right now. This is a true story. This guy was, he was Teddy Roosevelt was riddled with, he had asthma as a kid, he was a sickly child, ended up getting super into fitness and exercise

and judo and boxing to make himself tough, seeked out like the most difficult things you could seek out as a human being, just because he was a tough guy. Do you have a good documentary recommendation or a book? Yes, PBS. PBS has an incredible documentary on the Roosevelt's. So they talk about Teddy and then they talk about FDR who I'm not a big fan of, but which one was it that was responsible for the national park system?

There's a few of them, but Teddy Roosevelt really was the one that started all that stuff. But the guy was like, learn to read about him and the roughwriters when he would go out and just like volunteer to go fight in these battles. And then when they were like, no, you know, we're gonna put, we're gonna station you here. And he's like, no, I want to be in the middle of the ship. And he would disobey orders to go actually fight. And yeah, and she's a crazy dude. He's a crazy, crazy dude dude and he would practice judo while he was a president, judo unboxing in the oval office.

That's awesome. Yeah, it's a pretty interesting person. But anyway, what I was gonna say is black mirror dude, you guys gotta watch it. It's modern day twilight zone in the sense that the twists in it are so good, but it seems to be centered around technology. It was hard for me to get past even the first one

where he's banging a pig. I didn't see what? Yeah. What season was that? It's like the first episode. It wasn't the first season. It was too much for me, man. It's not the first season.

The first season is not that long. Yeah, it's like, I think they cornered, yeah, they called the animals. All the animals are gonna fuck a pig. Yeah, they're just like, they forced them to wait out. yeah, they call the animal all the animals are gonna fuck a pig Yeah, they're just like they forced them to wait out Otherwise, they're gonna kill these people and he's just like in this moral dilemma You know, should I fuck this pig in front of you know like a live feed for him everybody and his wife was like this is an episode Yeah, wow black mirror that's I'm gonna find that's why I was like

Ah, it's twisted so maybe I'll yeah it's very twisted. It's I like I like this is what I like about black mirror I enjoy I figure shit out too easily when I watch movies Which kind of pisses me off like I'll watch a movie in the same way and then I love twist and then a quarter into it I'm like okay here's what's happening and then if I'm right I get angry But if I'm really fucking wrong. I love it. Like I love being really wrong. Like ex, what's hard to do now? Yeah, that movie X mocking that X machine.

I don't know. That one did that to me. That one fooled the fuck out of me when I watched that one. I was guessing the whole time. So very good stuff. You still haven't watched House of Cards yet, right? I've seen, I saw about maybe eight episodes and it's cool. I could, I could see how I get into it, but it's tough for me to,

I'm already so into politics and I know how twisted and shit that whole world is. I think it's just, I don't know, I just, I wanna get away from that sometimes. I don't know, maybe I'll get back in. Do you like the real version? Yeah, I just feel like you have. The real version's so horrible.

I feel like you would enjoy it so much because of that. And you would appreciate like I do, the twists that are in it too. Now the actress that plays his wife, I love her as an actress. She's excellent. She was in Wonder Woman. She was in Wonder Woman.

She was the queen. Yeah, yeah, no, she's awesome. No, I think the actors, actors, actresses are phenomenal in that show. I think it's got an incredible plot. Like many seasons, I feel like a lot of series they tend to really die off after a couple of seasons or it feels like they're repeating the same stuff. So you actually get to kind of see him work his way into the

Oval Office. So, you know, that I think that whole process. So it does become president. Yeah. So I think I think you would enjoy just that whole process of all the usual suspects. So I'm sure I'd love that show. Yeah, fucking one of the greats with the whole time right? For sure. Best twist ever. Well, let's bring that bird home. Let's get into it.

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Our first question is from Zach Harding. Our boy, what do you think people will be struggling? Hi, Zach. What do you think people will be struggling with awareness wise, 30 years from now? Oh, I think for sure, I think it is going to be being present. I think that listening, we are, which kind of all falls into the same category, right?

No, I really do. I don't listen to you. I think that we are becoming so plugged in and it's really hard to disconnect. And this, to me, like going through that book or Irresistible right now and like they dive into this topic and I think that we have no idea. Facebook, I mean, all these things,

Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, all this stuff has only been around for 10 years or less. I know, is that crazy? You know, so we really have not really seen the repercussions of it. Like, we don't know how bad this could get, and they're showing how addictive all the, in fact, they're engineered to be very addictive, and we're seeing people with huge issues with it, with not being, I mean, they actually now have a compulsion. There's actually a they call it Fuck was the name of course I forget the name. I just read this

Basically people have a separation anxiety from their phone. It's like a real It's a real issue. Yeah, where people How get like frantic and freak out an anxiety because they don't have their phone right next to them. And why I think I'm so passionate. I've seen this happen. Well, I've felt it myself. I know it's like, oh, shit, I forgot my phone. Like panic.

Like, yeah, like why is it such a big deal? When we were younger, it wasn't even that long ago, like when someone was gone, they were gone. Out. They were out in the ether like you and you get back. I'll be your message to get back to out. Out. They were out in the ether like you and you get back. Yeah. I'll leave you a message. You can't get back to it. Right. Right.

Right. Right. So, you know, I think that the biggest thing that people are going to struggle with awareness wise is being present and connected to now and not being so plugged in. I mean, I, I, I, I will debate that all day long. I can't imagine anything being worse than that because that's only getting worse. So you know what I hate about this question? It's 30 years, like.

Yeah, that's what I think here's what I think. I think what I'm saying is 10 years, right? Yeah, 30 years, holy shit. Yeah, here's what I think. In 30 years, our lizard overlords expose themselves, will be living on the sun as slaves. For I have no fucking, I I mean I have a Mars colony Do you have any idea just how different?

Oh, well in 30 years, but we were just just an hour listening at podcasts. There's they're predicting it within that amount of time We'll be immortal. Yeah, we'll be immortal. You won't die. So give a fuck Right, I mean be plugged in for 20 years 30 30 years of your life, then be unplugged for 100 years. You know what I'm saying? Like, who knows where we're gonna be in 30 years? Well, I mean, it's a long time. What's the thing is, like, think about it this way. Let's go back 30 years.

So let's go back to, you know, what's that got? Yeah, go back to 1987. The changes that we've seen in the last 30 years, we're gonna see way more changes, way more dramatic changes in the last 30 years, we're going to see way more changes, way more dramatic changes in the next 30 years because as we advance, it advances faster and faster and faster. So for me, the technological changes in 30 years are fascinating as hell.

What fascinates me more are the societal changes that we'll see in 30 years as a result of that technology. So, think about it this way like more annoying people. Well, think about all, think about this, like let's say in 30 years we have hyper-realistic robots that can converse with you and have their own intelligence will those self-aware robots then protest and want their own protections and liberties? Well, they want to be recognized as citizens will they be able to vote?

What about when people want to marry robots because that's gonna happen? Will that be the next civil rights issue? What about 30 years from now? People will be engineering their children or you know themselves the next civil rights issue, what about 30 years from now, people will be engineering their children, or themselves. Or how much robot are you or how much human are you? Because everybody's gonna be advancing their abilities

by incorporating all this tech and chips and all these things. What about 3D technology, where people, 3D printing technology, where people will print their own medications and drugs. They'll be able to, you know, what's that gonna do? I mean, I think we have no clue. I think years long, you know,

that's a long span for house fast, everything's moving. I think, and here's your clue, by the way, how fast things have changed. Like Adam said, like YouTube and Facebook and these companies that are just everywhere didn't exist. Not 30 years, they didn't exist 15 years ago. And not only did they not exist, they weren't even a thought. And within a short period of time, within a decade, not only did they come up on the scene, they literally now rule

the fucking story. I just actually read, I was on a plane, you know, to Spokane I read this whole article that of what Facebook is really like Focusing on and trying to to innovate and and bring forth and it's all like augmenting reality And so that's gonna be the news cell phone the new cell phone is just gonna be pop-ups of Items and different things that are gonna go along your peripheral that you're just gonna interact with. And that's gonna be the new thing to everybody does. I think the big question will be 30 years from now.

The big, big, big struggle and question will be what does it mean to be human? I think that will be the constant question we will ask ourselves. What does it mean for me to be human? Am I still human if I plug into this reality that I escape to? Am I still human if all of my natural abilities from my sight to my smell to my ability to think are augmented to the point where I'm now superhuman? Am I

still human if I can genetically engineer my baby to have the most incredible genes ever and be immune to everything, you know, to cancers and all these diseases. Like, you know, can I marry a self-aware robot, like I said? Is that going to even count like, and you guys were making fun of me for Star Wars. You know what I mean? Like, this is exactly what they're talking about. Like, the whole time, like there's, oh, that's an ancient religion practice.

You know, they're making fun of these guys. There's the outliers. There's gonna be the outliers that like refuse to adopt all of this technology and all this advancement that we're all getting, you know, fucking crazy with. Like why? Dude, is it really gonna like, so make your life that much better?

Or is this just a big fucking distraction that, you know, we're in a hustle to create for no reason? Yeah, picture this, picture like a, like a future who knows how far in advance be like a thousand years or something like that, where you have this society of like engineered people and everybody's perfect and tall and nice teeth and smile or whatever.

And then there's like this little isolated area where people are like, fuck all that. But they're all diseased and you know, shorter and uglier and they're all kind of, and smile or whatever. And then there's like this little isolated area where people are like, fuck all that. But they're all diseased and shorter and uglier and they're all kind of, and they kind of show the disparity between the perfectly engineered people and the one that refused everything I wanna live like.

I think all ganglatives, yeah, I think Matrix hit it best when they said that they tried that and it didn't work, right? Like I feel like if we had this like perfect world that we would eventually, we'd be just as unhappy. Well, did you know what happened to us? Utopian, yeah, it just doesn't register. I think we're going to reach a point where we will have solved

most major physical, biological ailment, but we will be tackling psychological issues. Psychological issues will be the illnesses that we will have issues with. For example, did you guys know that anxiety now is the leading psychological disorder? Now it's actually one of the top, if not the top psychological disorder? It has, it's never been the number one, but now I believe it has, actually read an article.

You know, we have more things that are disposal and way less, actual way less things to stress about, real things to stress about. And what I mean by that is things that It'll actually kill us then we ever have and yet people are more anxious than ever Who knows what that's gonna look like 30 years from now? I think 30 years from now it's gonna be like I think like what you're saying Adam It's a very very I think that's a very smart

Prediction I mean I could I would bet on that. I don't know, but I would bet that in the future, people are gonna spend a lot of time and money on like getting away from everything because they're gonna have to to figure out. Well, we already see it, right? We've talked about this on the show multiple times. You see the rise in these practices that have been around forever.

Like float tanks have been around since the fucking like 60s and 70s. Like it's not a new thing, but like all of a sudden you're hearing about it all the time now because of that. Like all these day spas and meditation and yoga is on the right. All these businesses that have been around for a very long time, they're, I feel like they're more needed now than they ever were. Right.

Like because of, because we've gotten so extreme with being plugged in and disconnected and not present, doing things that help us be mindful and present and slow our life down because we've gotten so fast, right? Yeah, what scares me is the ease at which people voluntarily give up their autonomy and freedoms because they like things a lot. And, you know, like, for lot and you know like for example you know like social media and you know they give out all this information about themselves and they give these people all this control and

this power and it's all voluntarily like they just they don't care like you know they don't mind. That kind of worries me a little bit. It worries me that easy to fall into the to the group mind, to the group activity, like fear of missing out. And I haven't always like evaluating that, like where am I getting my ideas from? And if it's from this like collective, especially with social media, it's crazy because everybody like, they fall into a train of thought.

And it's like, where did I, why am I even thinking like this? It's like everybody's preaching this one thing and not evaluating it like specifically. Well, let me ask you guys this. Do you think people are easily manipulated by like fear and sex and desire? Of course, yeah. So now picture this, right?

And I'm talking about just today, I forget 30 years from now, just right now, the amount of information that Google and Facebook have together on people in depth is we've never had this ever. We've never experienced something like this. Like Facebook and Google, if you combine their information, they know so much about you, about what you like, what you desire, what you want, what you're afraid of, your habits, where you shop, what you do, the pictures you like, the articles you read, how long you read them, you know,

they have so much information on you, it's incredible. It's more information that we could process, I think, currently with our current technology, but now imagine some tyrannical, I don't know, government or something, decides, we need all this information, we need to compile all this information because we want to, we're scared of terrorists

or we're scared of a, maybe there was a big cyber attack and everybody's bank accounts were wiped out and now everybody's freaked out and they're like, here, please protect us. So now the government or some radical organization has all this information, fuck. Like they could really manipulate the populace. Politicians have been manipulating people forever

by scaring us, well Jesus man, if they had this information, like there's no chance, we have no chance. We'd have no chance. Like people would walk around believing whatever they wanted them to believe in it. What in my heart? Like there's software that R. Eddy is very similar to minority report. It's all based off of algorithms and they've already implemented it I don't believe in it. What in my heart? There's software that RID is very similar to Minority Report.

It's all based off of algorithms and they've already implemented it into different cities as trials to predict crime and hotspots and it's very accurate. It's very accurate. It's crazy, man. We're living in a time that's just like, it really is like science fiction if you like compartmentalize all these different things that are happening at once. Well, I feel like a lot of those science fiction type movies, I mean, they take a little bit of truth

and they expand on it. And a lot of times what makes them really good is they're very believable, right? Like you watch like a minority report and you back, and I remember when that movie came out, it's like, fuck, I could kind of see it. You could kind of see it. How's movie came out, it's like, fuck, I could kinda see it. You could kinda see it, how's that? How's that interacting with it all, like, in a way

where they're gesturing with their hands, they have that technology, like, what's cool about science fiction, is why I've always been into it. It's because it's stretching, you know, the thought process with science. And so it actually, like, a lot of times science like looks at that and like, oh oh wow, maybe we can build that

and they've actually tried and they've tried to build like a lightsaber and like some people have like actually come up with these like crazy, like it looks, you know, somewhat. Well, sci-fi is always, sci-fi is actually done a fantastic job of predicting future inventions and events. A lot of sci-fi writers are science nerds who then use what they know about science.

What they know about science span on that. Yeah, exactly. And they think about what things are gonna look like. Oh, it's just like what we're doing right now by speculating where we think the 30, I mean, our speculation isn't just us randomly. It's like what we've seen. Yeah, we've seen the patterns.

Wow, where could this lead us? Well, you do know that most science predictors or futurists that they'll call themselves predict that phones, we won't even be using cell phones in like 10 years. Like they say that the era of the cell phone will be over and will be into something else. Oh yeah, I can't even imagine. It'll be in your eye.

Yeah, I've read almost everywhere that are not everywhere, but a lot of places that hardware will be dead. Like, hardware will be any phone, TVs, things like that that are actually like. Like it says, the R-Mandys. Cable boxes, all those things like that. All the hardware is gonna be done. Like everything will just be,

you know, I'll be able to say like, I'll play, you know, I'll have two environments. There's two environments, there's the physical environment, and then there's the digital environment. And so, you're going to interact with both at the same time. And so, it's going to be a matter of distinguishing between the two and then shutting one off and being present together. And that's going to be a really hard space for people to do.

Well, I think fitness will look, I mean, if you look at the current rate of change and some of the things that they're discovering now with biology, I think fitness will look very different. I think in 30 years, they're gonna figure out ways to give people, to trigger adaptation responses and people's bodies without having to move and exercise and do it the hard way. I really fucking do.

Annoying. And why? Because there's a lot of money in that. Like if somebody invented a therapy or a pill that you could take or do that, then triggers the cast, whatever that, because we still haven't, I'd really identified how to do it, but once they can identify and trigger it,

like who wouldn't do that? Who wouldn't take a pill? Oh, I, oh, this is my workout for the day. And then their body adapts like if they just do. Oh, I think you're right. But I also think that there'll still be a lot of weakness there, though. Yes, because you didn't have to. The lock coming in. Yes, I was just gonna say,

the loss of, or the lack of character built because of that, I think that's where you'll create two different cultures, right? You'll have this culture of like take whatever, you know, take the pill, take the easy route, or the people that choose to go, the old school, rougher route, because they realize what that does for their character. They should learn. That'll be the small minority.

It will be. Well, I mean, when you look at it right now, man. It's worth a small minority anyways. Right now, the people that actually do the work in their fitness people right now, I think those, a lot of those people, like probably a lot of our listeners, I think are, I like to think our self-aware type people that would be those people that choose that. Sure, there might be a good portion of them also that would take the pill and take the easy route, but I think a lot of people would reckon or smart enough to recognize that

and that are in the health and fitness. Now, what it would do is, and you get a, would it be a bad thing? Would it help all the other, the rest, the other 80% of the population? I think it would be good. Yeah. I honestly, I would not argue against it. I mean, of course, I'd be, you know, I'm old school, right? So I'd be like, yeah, I mean, I used to do it

with the old fashioned way. Not, I know. But I mean, I wouldn't be able to argue with it because if it was exactly like exercise, of course, speculating here, but it created all those adaptations, well, now you're solving all this disease, obesity, right, right.

People feel good, they look good, the hormones are good. Like, yeah, you'll have that, and then you're solving all this disease obesity. Right, right. People feel good. They look good. The hormones are good. Yeah, you'll have that and then you have exosuits and you'll have all this like crazy stuff where you just, you're gonna have abilities you've never had before. So it's gonna be, it's gonna get weird, dude. I'm just telling you guys. Get ready.

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Okay, so the example he gave was like, if you did squats for five reps, for like five reps and then you did 10, and then you did like seven. You did chest and you did like, you know, 15 reps for chest and you know, you mixed it up throughout the whole workout. There's some benefit to this, but there's also some detriment. And the reason why, so for those of you

who are listening who have maps, any of our maps programs, you'll know that we phase workouts in two to four week phases and within those two to four week phases, the rep ranges are very similar. And now some people, when they design a program, they vary the rep ranges much sooner than that. So it's like, one workout is one rep range.

The next very next part of their entire philosophy is about, you know, fusion and varying everything. Now the reason why we, and the variation is important, of course, you want to change the adaptation signal you're sending because your body will adapt to each one. And if you just stick to one, your body stops adapting and it stops progressing. But the reason why we don't necessarily adhere

to this constant variation all the time, or at least doing it on a regular basis, is because there's a few different reasons. One, you're not getting the full expression of the adaptation of that new stimulus. And what I mean by that is the very first workout you do in a low rep range, for example, or the first couple workouts you do, your body is really starting to get into how can adapt with that. And by the time you get to the third, fourth, fifth, sixth workout, your body's really getting adapted to that new rep range and you're getting all these crazy results. It doesn't happen

the first or second workout. It kind of gets the ball rolling. By the second or third week, you've kind of hit this peak and you start to dip a little bit and that's when you switch to your new adaptation. So really, it's like, it would be like me having someone squat one workout and leg extension of the workout and lunge in the workout, like we're not maximizing what we could get out of every exercise because we change too quickly in our opinion. So now that being said, are there benefits to doing some of this? I think there's some hypertrophy benefits to doing it every once in a while, especially within the same body part.

So I might do, if I'm doing chest and a workout and I'm doing heavy bench press and I'm doing one to three reps, but then the next exercise, I'm doing the higher reps and squeezing and the third exercise, I'm trying to get a good pump. Every once in a while throwing it in like that may have some hypertrophy benefits. So I could see mixing it up every once in a while like that. But so I have a, this happens to me every now and then. And this just happened to me the other day. And I follow a very similar protocol to our maps, right?

With a modify exercises and combine a little bit of green with black. But for the most part, our principles, which what Sal was talking about as far as phasing in and out of rep ranges, but where I do make an exception, the rule is like this. So just two days ago, I came into my training session and I felt more sore, like my chest was really really sore and I had just work to do that

day. So when I got and I was supposed to be working in phase one of our maps black which is strength base so I'm like five repetitions like the low rep range and because I felt like I had done a lot of damage that I was still sore and recovering on my chest. When I got to my chest exercise, instead of following my five rep protocol, I chose a lighter weight and did high repetitions and just kind of got a pump

because I felt like I had already done enough damage on my body that my body was still trying to repair from that I would move over into the hypertrophy side of it and work on the cycloplasmic hypertrophy and the pump and get the benefits and from that versus doing more damage to an area that is still trying to recover. So this is a way that I might do this every now and then is, if I'm working, and even if you're not following maps, if you're following like a strength-based protocol where it's five reps, but then you're on a certain body part that is just feels taxed from the last time that you did

it, I might lower. And that's a lot of that's for one. I've got damage already done to safety, like I then and my joints, like if you're already achy and sore in that area and you're hitting it again, like you could do that, but then I'm also putting myself at a higher risk. I'm probably not going to be very strong because I'm still trying to recover. I already have some damage done that my body is obviously still trying to repair. So hey, you know what I'm going to do is I'm going to go light.

This is also too where I incorporate other types of, like this, I might do some tension work or I might do like really slow, concentrated stuff with isolation stuff. So this is where I always encourage flexibility in modifying our programs. It's like, here's your foundation. Here's how you should phase in and out of stuff. But then there are always exceptions to the rule where you might make these minor adjustments. And that's an example of how I might actually do something like this where I have a different rep range. You guys ever do something like that? Yeah, I mean, that's where I'll use like focus session type stuff or trigger session type stuff.

I mean, if you've been working out for a while, you should have the ability to modify and you know, individualize your sessions. Yeah, I think it's important to add these kind of variables, you know, every now and then, and to introduce your body to a new stimulus. And so that's how I would see something like this being appropriate. But yeah, for the most part, you want to have a solid baseline.

So you can go back to that and kind of reference and see like how, you know, how all this played out specifically because you kept it all consistent. And so consistency is definitely something that, you know, we stress, you have to have that knowledge base first in order to flirt with these types of methods. Otherwise, you're playing a guessing game on which one of those you got the biggest bang for your opponent. That's another part of it.

Like, you don't know which one is it's like taking a shit ton of supplements all at one time. You don't know which one's doing what, and it's hard for you to really get good at strength. Yeah, if you go to strength, you don't want to just like throw in a ton of wraps like in between your strength move, you know, because now your body's like trying to figure out well, I need endurance and I need to overcome this.

And, you know, so you're just like muddying the waters at that point. And I would argue, I mean, in our experience, if you took two groups of people and trained them over a 12 week period and one group, you had them do three week phases where three weeks at a time, they focus on a particular range of particular style of training for a particular type of adaptation.

And then the other group, you just took all the forms of exercise and adaptation you want and mixed them up all the time. I would bet you that the vast majority of people or people that you put through this type of comparison will do far better where they're facing their workouts. I've seen it firsthand with clients, it's always work better. The body tends to adapt better when you give it very specific protocol versus throwing

a lot of things at it and then you kind of get a little bit of everything and sometimes none of all of them. And the other thing too, is people have a higher tendency to overdo shit when they're mixing stuff up all the time. Again, it's hard to measure, which one you're overdoing, and how much of each you need to do. I also want to point out that I think that we're kind of splitting hairs when we get into topics like this too,

though, because something that we haven't said in a long time that we've, I know we've said on the show before, is that, you know, people have done this down. Now, maps is big now. We've got a ton of people that have ran through the program, a ton of great results. And we've had a lot of people that have done lots of other programs from very credible trainers or fitness minds out there, and they want to compare, like. Well, so and so's program has this protocol and you guys have this protocol, which one is better. Well, you know, getting in the topics like that, but if you compare, like, let's take someone like a Ben Pekolsky,

a respected person in the industry that we know understands programming really well, right? So someone like that guy and you compare his programming to like how maps is and maybe there's some variances that there's some differences between the programs, you know, which one is better than the other? Well, at the end of the day, an inferior program done consistently is better than the best program in the world done inconsistently.

So, and we've said this before that, you know, that trumps everything. Being consistent and following through on, on your programming and staying on it is going to show you more results in your body than anything else. Now, once you've built that consistency down, then learning how to phase and focus on certain adaptations and phase in and out, whether you phase in out how maps does it at three weeks or four or five weeks because somebody else's protocol stretches a little bit longer or maybe a little shorter at two weeks, like you're really, you're really starting to split hairs on what is, which is better than the other or as one, wrong or one, right.

And this is really like why we tell people like when you go through maps, it isn't just a program, follow this program. It's the best program for you. No, it's really designed to teach you how to program yourself and get some of the big rules, like as far as we talk about, like phasing adaptations out and understanding the difference between rep ranges and focusing on strength, focusing on hypertrophy. Once you understand those principles,

you can take what you've learned from going through maps and you can start to play with little things like this where you, hey, I'm going to throw in a high rep in this day with my legs and that's just, you know, and see how the body responds. Maybe it responds really well for you. Maybe it doesn't, you know, but I think that's the main takeaway is that, you know, being consistent about your programming is by far more important. Next up is Johnny Dumbell. Hey. Good old Johnny Dumbell.

Hey. What are your thoughts on the sun and UV exposure? Oh, great topic. He's a good kid. That's exactly. He's a good topic. So the common knowledge amongst Western medicine is that any type of adaptation that your skin has to the sun is damage, and all damage is bad. Therefore you want to minimize any type of tanning that your body may have.

Didn't you get into a little friendly debate on our forum about this? I had a discussion. We actually have a great... The dermatologist, right? Yeah, I believe so. And very intelligent woman, we had a nice discussion about this on the forum. And you know, that's the current belief.

Now, here's my problem with that. My problem is, first off, there's lots of studies showing that people who get lots of sun exposure have lower overall mortality versus people who don't have lots of sun exposure. There's also an epidemic of low-vitamined D levels in people that, you know, now when you go to the doctor, a lot of doctors actually test your vitamin D levels and they're finding lots of people have low-vitamined D. Vitamin D acts like a hormone in the body, so it can actually be considered a hormone in some cases.

And low D levels are strongly, strongly connected to higher cancer rates across the board. So there's that. But besides the D, besides vitamin D, there's other lots of other benefits that you get from the sun. My argument is this, humans evolved being in the sun a lot. All of us, even people who evolved in the Northern latitudes, you know, you've got people that are super white like Justin. Amen.

You know, clear. You guys, you're ancestors still got more sun than the average person today who is in indoors all the time and Who is on their computer all the time so our bodies evolved with a lot of sun exposure or more so than than a lot of us get now and That right there tells me that That there's some benefit to getting sunlight. I think we've taken some truth Which is if you get some burns, if you damage your skin a lot,

you're gonna increase your risk of skin cancer. We've taken that, we've gone so far the other direction and said, don't go out in the sun, and if you do, put all this sunscreen on your body all the time to protect yourself from the sun. And again, sunscreen, for example,

most sunscreens are these chemical-based sunscreens, and now we're finding that they have hormonal effects in people, because they're like Xenoestrogens. They attach to estrogen receptors very weakly, but they express themselves. And so then you get these interesting long-term potential effects. Yeah, I say go out and get sunlight.

Don't get burned. That's very individual. It's different from personal. For example, for yourself. It's very different from You get a person for yourself. It's very different from person to person, but it's crazy to me that we tell people to avoid this. I think it's because we're so not used to the sun that now if you get the average person,

they're like, oh, I heard on mine pump that the sun is good and they go out and they get some burn. Because they're so. They go all in. They go all in. And they're, you have to introduce it slowly, especially, I mean, yeah, I'm definitely the perfect example for that. Like I have to like figure out like you can feel it and you can feel like when

the sun's really been affecting your skin and then, okay, I should probably go hang out in the shade or put some, you know, put a shirt on or whatever. But yeah, you want to you want to do it in minimum doses. And then, um, I mean, that just just from just from, uh mean, just from talking to Mercola, it's got me really thinking about getting, you know, trying actively to actually get more exposure to the sun and trying to get vitamin D source more from that than just like supplementing it.

So, well, when they do, there's certain population studies they'll do where there'll be like a society that adopts these policies of using lots of sunscreen. And they'll check them out long-term, and skin cancer rates sometimes don't even go down. The deadliest form of skin cancer rates, melanoma, are actually lower melanoma rates than people who get lots of sun. And if they do see a small drop in skin cancer, they see a rise that overpowers that and just overall mortality. Plus, you want to think about this. This is something that we're starting to talk about a little bit in health and in medicine. And that's that your body can kind of be in this pro-cancer state to where normal things can cause cancer versus when you're in this not this this anti pro cancer state to where normal things don't cause cancer. So

in other words, if I'm unhealthy, you know, I eat lots of you know, I over eat food lots of processed foods carbohydrates, hormones are off. So I'm in this I smoke cigarette. So I'm in this kind of pro cancer state. And then I get lots of sun. Now it becomes a big skin cancer risk versus someone who's any very healthy anti cancer state. Maybe someone who knows how to fast properly who eats proper diet moves right is not exposed to lots of environmental toxins and chemicals. And they get sunlight. Now they get lots of benefit and not in a negative. So I think context is very important in this type of situation.

And I really hate it when we look at things and we're so simplistic with them like we say, okay. Sunlight creates this damage, this damage creates these mutations and then they make this connection and say you're gonna get higher rates of cancer. Well, if you did that with There's a problem with that. If you did that with exercise, it would be treated, no one would do it.

Nobody. If you actually took what exercise looks like, then it looks, it causes cancer, causes death. Right, so I think that's the takeaway from it. And basically what I've always done with clients is be mindful about this. Where I saw issues, especially like, what I've always done with clients is be mindful about this. Where I saw issues, especially like I feel like in the late 80s or early 90s, there was like this,

everybody was like just out in the sun as much as they could. I remember going through high school and girls on the weekend, as soon as the heat came out, as soon as it started hitting 80 degrees, the girls in high school would all, let's come and lay out, lay out, lay out, it was like lay out all weekend, you know, on Saturday and Sunday, lay in the sun for eight hours, so they get this barbecue. So yeah, so they get this 10. Now, I think if you are aggressively going, getting out in the sun, like you were putting yourself at higher risk and those

people should be protecting themselves with some sort of sunscreen. And I know they make some that are good. I know that all of them are good. Yeah, they make zinc oxide. Yeah, I know that I think I've seen bullfrog and some other brands that have done some really good ones that are better ones, better for you than some of these other ones that you're talking about self.

So I know we tell someone, and if you're maybe you're in a job that forces you to be in the sun all the time, protect yourself. It's important to say that, because it's like, I honestly, if I know that I'm going to be out on the lake or I'm going to be somewhere, I'm lathering up, man. I don't risk versus reward. I don't want to get all burned and blistered. So's like, yeah, of course I'm going to put sunscreen on, but I'm also trying to pursue whatever the minimum effective dose of sunlight I get consistently.

I'm actually pursuing that because it's healthy for me. Yeah, and sunscreens, that's a great topic. I see people just slather on their little babies, just tons of these chemical-based sunscreens. And these chemicals have been shown to have these estrogenic effects, where they can do hormone disruptors. Now, it's very, very mild, super, super mild,

but you put it on a developing child and you put it on them all the time, and you may cause some problems. But I can't stress this enough. I really think context and the environment your body is in internally makes a big difference. I would love to see a study of people who got lots of sunlight who were also very healthy, who weighed a certain diet,

who had lots of healthy fats in their diet, who exercised right and did all those things. What their risk would be skin cancer wise versus other people who are very unhealthy who also got sunlight Yeah, that has to make a fucking difference That has to make a big difference and again if you if you just look at like you know I had this conversation with other people about Like cooking food over a fire like whoa Did you know that when you barbecued meat, it creates all these carcinogens? Well, yeah, it does, but since the discovery of fire,

that's how we've cooked shit. Like, we didn't have, like, we didn't cook things out of any other way. And so it makes me think that that's, it's not that simple. It just doesn't work as simplistic as I, it's like bacteria versus carcinogens, you know? It's like bacteria. Bacteria causes like an argument for it being more raw.

Hey, let's just look down the past. Let's look at the past of our medical history, right? We discovered germs. We discovered that bacteria causes illness. So what did we do? We killed all of it. Everything, antibiotics, antibiotics, so...

Everything's super sterile, super clean because we now discover that bacteria cause a disease and now what is happening? Now we're getting disease as a result of lack of bacteria. We went too fucking far. We're gonna get the hermetic effect of, you know, being introduced to it, you know, a small dose of it. We went too far.

We do this with everything and I see, I, the advice I hear people get with the sun, it sounds extreme. It sounds crazy to me, we're humans. We evolved down the sun, we evolved on the fucking, the savannas of Africa or in the Middle East and the sun, and you're trying to tell me that you stay away from the sun as much as possible, just get 10 to 15 minutes of exposure a day,

that's all you need. Like what human before we had all this modern lifestyle, what human got 10 to 15 minutes of sunlight? Like you didn't do that, you were out in the sun most of the time. Right, right. And then when it got dark, there was no sun, so. You got the body adapted. Yeah, so that's my opinion, but I'm not a dermatologist,

so don't blame it on me if something happens. I'm just gonna do that. Just throw that last bit in the streamer there. I gotta make sure I say that shit. Good protection. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the Mind Pump family?

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If you could go back in time, would you do steroids again? Hey, I'm assuming that's curious. Is that was geared towards me there? Well, I could answer too, because I did the whole pro hormone, you know, designer steroid thing. I really still want to do it, so I'm. What a good question.

It is, right? How different would you be and what would that? Yeah, and first off I start by saying that I'm not one. I'm not big on regrets like I believe I believe a lot of things happen I believe everything happens for a reason and I believe that it's like you wouldn't be who you are exactly It wouldn't it wouldn't provide me The passion I have about it now talking on this show and I believe it's a piece of what contributes to this show is that I've been there, I've done that.

I've got the bad story of, I took too much of it. Now I have to take it in order to be fucking normal. So I feel like, and also I was a knowledgeable trainer who even took it. So I felt like I am somebody who should have known better And yet it still affected me this way So but that being said because it's hormonally changed me forever there is a little bit of regret there, you know, I wish that I

Wish I would have known That it was going to affect me this way. I wish I would have foreseen that The shitty part is though again that I wouldn't be affect me this way. I wish I would have foreseen that. The shitty part is though, again, that it wouldn't be who I am today. So, and would I, I don't think I would have done them at 20 something if I could go back, do it all over again, but I definitely think that into my 30s, I would have dabbled with it for sure.

I think. Now, do you think if you could have all the growth, like the personal growth you got from it, you know, all the challenges you had to go through, if you could keep all of that, but just like snap your fingers and be like, I never took it, you know what I mean? I know this is a super highly unlikely,

you know, obviously impossible situation, but then would you do you think you would have? Yeah, no, I didn't for sure, because that was part of that was I needed to go, I needed to find that answer out for myself, right? Because at that point, before I had made that decision to try and do steroids, I had thought and I said this on a recent podcast that I really, truly believed deep down that the only thing that separated

me from the covers of those magazines were that they were on anabolic and I wasn't. I really believe that. I truly, truly believe that. That I ate really well. I believe that up until not the longer ago. Right. And I think that this is why too, like I speak so passionately to people that are interested in it and wanting to try them is that you know, listen

I know you think that it's gonna be like this, but it it's not what you think it is And if you haven't proved to yourself that you can die it and get yourself in you know Six to seven percent body fat naturally you don't want to do that stuff It's just it's like being a race car driver and just learning how to drive this car, and like all of a sudden being like, here's an extra 100 horsepower and some nitrous, go have some fun, and you're like just learning how to drive.

It's a waste, and it's probably gonna do more harm than it's gonna do good. Now, extra 100 horsepower and a nitrous in your car, absolutely when you're on the competitive level than it's gonna do good. Now, extra 100 horsepower and a nitrous in your car, absolutely, on the competitive level, is gonna give you an advantage in beating the other race cars, but if you can't drive that car very well and you go and you enhance it,

there's a better, it's more likely you're going to crash or blow the engine up or do more harm than good to the vehicle because you think you're a good driver, but you're not that good of a driver yet. That's how I feel about my body and I thought I was a better driver and I didn't realize I wasn't until after I made that choice and realized,

oh shit, it didn't just make me look like the cover of the magazine. So I get, there's something else I'm missing and I'm not doing right. I see a lot of, you know, because obviously I've been in gyms for a long time, 20 years, and what I've seen steroids do to people is prevent them from learning how to train themselves.

It's in reinforced, bad habits and behaviors when it comes to nutrition and training because the steroids will do the work for people sometimes and if you're a guy in the gym and you're getting a pump every workout and you feel like you're growing or whatever, you're thinking like, well, my workout's going great. My diet of bulking cheeseburgers

and french fries all the time is working fine and they don't learn their body. And then later on when they go off of them, they just, they either stop working out completely. I know a lot of people who use a lot of steroids in their 20s who stopped, and not only stopped using steroids, they stop working out. Like they don't even work out a lot.

Yeah, it's like, when it comes to you, and you're using steroids and you're not early, like yeah, trying to advance your training techniques or anything. It's like, man, that's gonna be hard to remotivate yourself to get back in. Especially if you don't even know. You don't even know how to train your body.

You're doing the same routine and the same types of training that you did before, but you're not only seeing no results, you're seeing negative results. And so now it's all about the steroids and the attitude becomes, why am I wasting my time? Or this sucks, I don't wanna do this anymore.

And so I've seen a lot of that, and then the other thing I've seen a lot of, just to be frank and honest, the biggest side effect I've seen, besides hormonal disruptions, and I know a couple of guys that had to get kinda comastia surgery, actually have breast tissue removed

from underneath their nipple because of anabolic. But the biggest side effect I've seen, and this is not a good one, it's an acetyl one, are abscesses and you know, infections from the injection sites, and I know a guy that had to have a chunk, not a little piece like a chunk of his ass cheek, removed because he had an infection

that turned into like dead tissue and they had to go in and cut it out. And you know, you got to think about it this way. Like you're injecting something that was made and mixed on the black market. Very, very, very few. I'd say probably, I would guess less than 1%. And the reason why I say less than 1% because I I can count on one finger The amount of time literally yeah, exactly I can count like what I think one time or I used to be surrounded by steroids Right I had trainers working for me. I see him all the time. I'd want to look at him and whatever I can count one time Where I saw actual pharmaceutical grade. Oh,

this is a, this is farm, this is pharmaceutical grade steroids. It was always, all it's always black market. The best that you could get is veterinary grade, which still isn't that fucking awesome. And it's usually, especially nowadays, it's what they'll do is they'll get bulk powder from China. Some dude mixes it at home and then he prints his own label. It sticks it on the bottle and then you take it and it's, you don't know how clean it is. You don't know what's in it and you're injecting that into your muscle. And so you get a lot, it's very, I'll tell you what right now.

If you do a few cycles of steroids, the odds that you'll get an infection or you'll have to deal with what they'll call like like, what do they call it, like steroid fever, or, you know, what do they do in all test flu? Test flu or whatever. That's an infection, dude. It ain't normal, but they joke around it. They joke around about it like it's normal. Oh, I got test flu from my test,

but then it goes away after cold. Your body's fighting an infection. Yeah, yeah. That you're doing your body, so that's the biggest fear out. And that, it seems like the best place to go, you know, goes is Dubai from what we've heard the speculation wise You know in terms of quality and whatnot like they're just getting the extra shit Well, you can I mean high quality stuff. It's gonna do that here, too Yeah, what's gonna have a really good connection?

I mean, it's if I could go back in like the perfect world right right? And let's say I'm going to do them still, right? Is I learned, like you said, had all the growth through my 20s and understood all that and without doing them and then actually introduced them into my life into my 30s when actually my normal testosterone levels are starting to dip naturally. Like, I think to have learned all the programming, training, dieting, got all that underneath me and all the years too, because that's what matters. Muscle maturity is a big deal too.

I don't even think about that. And how important that is, like, and we all know this look, right? I can tell like a boy's body versus a man's body. Like you can just see somebody who has time under the iron. Somebody who has been lifting weights for 10 plus years. It just looks different. It looks harder, the muscles look harder,

they look more separated. Yes, versus kind of like a... You see this especially on women. Women in particular, you see like, a 20 something year old get really ripped and muscular. They don't have nearly the same amount of muscle maturity as a you know 35 year old woman who does the same thing right right So I think Again another another waste of it by doing it in my early 20s my body is still growing and developing and I'm still turning into a Man complete. I mean really men don't really stop till like 25 years old

So a lot of my body was still developing and I was at the peak of testosterone levels. Like there was no reason for me to really take it then I didn't get the real benefits of it. When I get lots of benefits from it is now, you know, mid 30s when, you know, that's about the time when men's testosterone naturally starts to dip from what they were

in their 17 to 25 range, then introducing something like, you know, synthetic testosterone. Oh, man, I mean, that would have been amazing. And my body would have responded differently. I'd be able to still take in a very low minimal dose and probably feel an incredible off of it from all the years of doing it correct. So instead now, like what a normal person would, if someone was trying to do a cycle. So like for me, like bumping to 250 milligrams of testosterone in a week isn't like a huge thing to me. Like because half of that just gets me back up to normal. So it's not like a huge bump. Yeah, I don't know. I feel, um, you know, like this topic 10, you know, I get conflicted because I think everybody should be able to do

whatever they want. But whenever somebody asks me if they should, my advice is always like, usually it's no. I don't think you should. I mean, if you're, here's a thing. If you're an athlete and you're getting paid, lots of money and your livelihood depends on your performance. Oh, that's a different question.

It's a return on investment. It's a return on investment. It didn't make sense. I don't get angry with pro athletes taking antibiotics because that's their job. Their job is to be extreme. The steroids help them recover faster. Might even prevent injuries if they do it right.

You know, then that kind of makes sense. I mean, Well, that was somebody asked a question and we didn't pick it. And it kind of falls into this one. So you can kind of double up on the question is, you know, do we think there's any health benefits to taking testosterone? If your testosterone is low, then yes, there is health benefits because there's health detriment from having low testosterone.

But we are treating, we are treating the symptom and not the cause. So although you will get benefit from taking testosterone and bringing you into normal ranges, we're not addressing why you have low testosterone in the first place. The biggest benefit you'll get will be from addressing why you have those hormonal issues. And speaking of, for men, here's a thing. Yes, men naturally start to decline in testosterone levels. But boy, does that change if you're fit, healthy, and you lift weights properly? Yeah.

I mean, then your testosterone levels stay high for a long time. Or naturally. Yeah, it'll naturally raise testosterone versus exogenous testosterone that sort of, you're introducing back in. I just feel like if you can squeeze as much as you can naturally, then, you know, when it gets difficult, and your body won't naturally produce it, then look into alternatives.

I've had many clients, male clients, over the age of 50, who, you know, I used to work in a facility I owned, was catered to a higher, you know, market in terms of, you know, like, Prosper people who have, you know, lots of funds that they can, you know, spend on their health and fitness and so people would hire trainers and hire me and then it wasn't a problem if I told them, Hey, you should get these tests and hormones and they'd go spend money and test things at these, you know, take a look at these things. I've had many clients over the age of 50, and even over the age of 60, who were very dedicated to fitness,

very dedicated to it, with lift weights, they do what I tell them, they ate right, they got adequate fat and take, all that stuff. They get the hormones tested, and they had testosterone levels that were excellent. I mean, I had, I got a guy who I trained for a long time. He's one of the fittest people I know.

He's 72 now. He gets tested every single year as part of his physical and his testosterone levels are between 6 to 700. That's crazy. That's awesome. That's a good level for a 20 year old man. That's the model right there. Yeah, that's three times me.

You know, along those lines, if I could, another thing, if I could go back again, and I wish I would have done this. So if you're 25 years or older, I highly recommend this, especially if you have not dabbled with steroids, is actually find out where your free test levels are naturally, because the range is very high. And this is how like some hormone therapists are really cool and some of them are dicks. Like in what I mean by that is like some guys, I've had both types of doctors where one

guy will test me and go, oh, well, you're still close enough to the okay range that we're not going to put you on anything. But okay range to him might be 300 to 400, but what if I was somebody who most of his 25 to 30 years was at the 900, you know, 700 to 900 range? Well, if I'm used to 700 to 900 and now my body's 300, even though I may still fall in kind of the normal range, that's significantly lower than what my body's used to. So understanding what your normal range is and what that feels like for you, I think is a smart thing for you to do is a young man in your mid-20s to early 30s.

If you've never done that before, I highly recommend doing that. And the sooner the better, like the younger you have it, the closer to your prime of your testosterone levels to know what that looks like for you. So that way, if you do ever decide to get a hormone replacement, you have an idea of what feels good and healthy and normal for you and what that range is. So you can actually. And too much, too much might not be good either.

Yeah, right, right. I remember what it was like when I was at my peak testosterone levels, right? I've read my late teens and I don't know if I would want that much testosterone in my system. I mean, could you, I mean, you remember what that, right in my late teens, I don't know if I would want that much testosterone in my system. I mean, could you, I mean, you remember what that was like? Oh, yeah. I don't know if that's a good idea.

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