Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 549: Light Weight vs Heavy Weight for Women, Dr. Oz Review, Dealing with Low Testosterone & MORE

Episode Date: July 12, 2017

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we talk about Adam's multi-level marketing encounter at the grocery store. Did he get closed? Find out in this episode. We talk about my day at Refuge, one of our favorite spas, and rituals surrounding death in societies. That's all in the intro. Then we get into the questions. We answer the question, lightweight versus heavyweight for women who have the goal to lose weight and look lean, which one is better, which one is superior. Then we talk about the

best way to work out when dealing with low testosterone. If you're a man with low testosterone, there is a way you should work out that will help that particular situation. We give our opinion on Dr. Oz. He's one of our favorite sham artists on TV. And lastly, things get little personal. We talk about whether or not me and Adam resent Justin for not prioritizing his shit. They really should. At least that's what the question says.

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Three shirts. They're going out to Rachel Jamie, Skylar B557. Danny Williams fitness, you all are winners. So send the name, the one I just read to itemsatmime.media.com, your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. So I'm in a whole foods yesterday. And Katrina and I are shopping around. And this couple walks up to me out of nowhere. Young couple, probably mid 20s or so. Good looking fit. Shopping around whole foods in the vegetable area, walks over to me, makes

comment on my shoes. He goes, hey, those are dope shoes I like those. I was like, oh man, they thanks, right? And normally when we go grocery shopping, I'm like a typical male, like, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't do anything there, I just push the cart, you know, that's it. Really? Don't act like that's not your job.

Oh no, I'm the shopper. Oh, you're the shopper. I've always been the shopper. Oh, wow Always I love grocery shopping fucking love it. It's one of my favorite things to do Why use to enjoy kids? I can't stand it. No, I love it man. I love crazy I love taking the foods looking at the labels analyzing them. Which one do I want? Which I love it? It's my favorite thing to do In fact, I volunteered to do it. Well, I've taught my girl how to do all that so she gets that She knows like the the rules of like what we eat

and what we don't eat. Like no, no, no, we can't eat. You give her the guideline. Yeah, she has her guidelines. But so basically I push the car. So anyways, she's off getting something, right? So Launtro or whatever. And I'm over there and the guy comes over

and he says that to me, strikes up conversation. And so I start talking to them. And he's complimenting the shoes and he asked me, like, oh, you look a guy that works out. You know, do you recommend, you know, a D-diss or Nike? Or, you know, I said, well, actually I wear my converse, my chucks, or I go barefoot if I'm in my own facility. And he's like, what?

And then he, so he got me explain this. He gets me talking, right? And the first bit of it, I don't see it coming yet, because I realized that I actually just thought he really liked my shoes I'm wearing my new EQTs and I get compliments on them all time now So it's a QT QT is the Adidas shoe that I'm wearing right now. What is EQT stand for now? Just a brand right? So he's he's coming over and he's Complimenting it right and he's talking to me and

He anything Katrina comes walking over and we're having this dialogue back and forth and I realize about I don't know maybe five minutes in this conversation that I think this is I think I'm going to get pitched here. Here comes an MLM, but I know you just smell it. But it took me a while and the kid was good right and what made me like so he's asking me all these questions. Oh, you're not, oh, I do podcasting this, and that he goes, he goes, oh, I listen to podcast,

oh, what kind of podcast you listen to? He's like, oh, I love entrepreneur stuff, like we're entrepreneurs, you know, I love entrepreneurship, oh, very cool, right? And he's trying to get me to ask him, right? By asking what did he do? Yeah, yeah, right? But you're not.

I'm not. And so he's like, any, any, he did a really good job like circling around by asking me a bunch of questions and he keeps asking me and Katrina comes over and the guy and girl are talking and she goes they've been married for 10 months and he makes this this comment about being retired

within a year, like 20 something years old. He's like, you know, oh yeah, my wife and I, we planted retire in a year. And that was the big like, ask me what I asked. My eyes almost spin in my head, that's a hard one. And so I love Katrina, because Katrina sees right through it too. Like she put it together right away. And she's like, oh, so he looks at the wife and he goes,

what do you do right now? She goes, oh, I'm a receptionist. And then she looks at him and goes, well, what do you do? And he goes, well, I used to be, I used to clean homes. And he says, I used to, right? To see if she'll answer. She totally doesn't say anything to him about that. And at that moment was when I kind of cut the conversation off.

And you could see this look on his face like you've wanted to ask the big MLM question. And we took off and we left. We walk out the grocery store. And this point Katrina and I hadn't said anything to each other. So we just were kind of vibing off of each other. And then we walk out the grocery store. And I look over at her and I said, you knew it was coming next, right?

And she goes, oh, yeah, that was obviously MLM, right? I'm so excited. So she picked up on it and I picked up on it. But I watched this couple. Have they never actually told you? No, they couldn't get to it. Dude, what if you missed a crazy opportunity? What if he invented this crazy tech?

He's actually invented artificial intelligence and your nice guy was actually gonna have you in the early adopter. I was gonna give you a million silver coins. You're like MLM. I was gonna give you shares because you have nice shoes. You're gonna be diving platinum level right from the kids. I actually own social media.

I reach 50 million people. I was gonna promote your podcast. That was the first time though that has happened to me in a grocery store like that. I thought and I watched it. It was. I watched him do that to other people after all. Oh no. Yeah.

I watched him walk up and make strike up conversation. I always, I shouldn't say this on the podcast. Yeah, I'm not gonna, yeah, I'll say this. It's too late, your committee. I have a rule where I always, I'm not gonna, yeah, I'll say this. Nah, I have to say. It's too late, you're committing it. I have a rule where I always, I try to always listen to people's pitches. You know why? I can't anymore.

I know, I know it sucks. Every time it sucks, but I always try to listen because you never know what you're gonna hear. You know what I mean? It could be, it could be something. It depends on how long it is. Yeah, I mean, I mean. That's what she said, I used to be something. Depends on how long it is. Yeah, I mean, that's what she said. Yeah. Yeah. I used to, when I was looking for salespeople.

So I, I do have a habit of entertaining someone like that because I want it. Well, there's also that, right? I want to see, I want to see how talented it. Right. Okay, like this young guy pulled me out of a grocery store, got me to stop in my tracks to talk to him for 10 minutes, like, okay, I'm interested to see where this goes. I wanna see how well the job he does, but I don't give a shit about that anymore,

but I don't hire people anymore. So when I used to hire sales employees, like that was a different, different stuff. You know what I used to do when people would try to sell me things that no matter where it was, if they were bad, I would coach stuff. So when I, all the time, that you need, yeah.

Exactly what I would, the old me would have stuck around, let him pitch to me, and then told him what he did wrong. Yeah. Okay, that was a good job, the way you first got me going and talking to me about this,

and then you went that way. But then you started fumbling around a little bit. And the idea of telling me that you're gonna retire in a year, bro, that's a pretty fun time. I remember this guy coming in and he was trying to sell me something and he was like only accepting cash.

And I was just like, you know, like they're square, right're square right and like you know if you're gonna go in front all these people like nobody carries cash anymore You know you might want to like adjust your your approach with this I don't even remember did it was some kind of membership for some kind of magazine or something and the only accepted cash Yeah, that sounds like that. That sounds like it. It's such a hustle as a, yeah. I'm pretty sure that was real. Do you know that, for sure? Do you know, so this is crazy.

When I got, I was only 23, some around there. I had a client and she was like, VP for Nightrider, which was the people who produced big building in San Jose. Yeah, San Jose Mercury News, right? So that's who did the news. And she actually created a position. That time I had my cousin who was living with me, who was between jobs, needed a job.

And she totally hooked him up, created a position for him, basically as a favor to me to help him out because he was running a room for me. And I thought that was really rad if I were to do that. And what he, what she had him do was they had this issue so the newspaper, and you guys have all had this happen, you I'm sure before, where you remember, and it was really popular like 10, 15 years ago, where someone would knock on your door and try and convince you to subscribe to the newspaper.

Well, the San Jose Mercury news and most magazines contract that work out to companies that are like sales companies that have a team of, you know, Dordador salesmen that they've trained up to do this and the company hires them, pays them a commission for all the contracts that they get people to sign up for for these newspapers. Well, what had happened is they had built a really bad reputation on the tactics that they used to get people to buy these magazines or subscribe to these magazines. So she created a position for my cousin. His job was to go in, pretend like he was working for this company to find out how they were training their employees. So, and then report

back to her. Oh, so he was a mole. Yes. Wow, that's cool, right? And he was a secret agent. Yes, he was. And they totally would teach him. So they would say, okay, if you go up there, they would give them like fake stories.

Like, oh, your mom's dying of cancer. Oh my God. Yes. And they would tell him that when you go up there, you know, if people like try and blow you off Say hey, you know use that use that angle like that that oh, you know I'm I'm struggling I can't get by and this is what's going on with my mom or my family and my sister or my wife Whatever so they would give them these stories to lie to people to make people feel bad that look

It's only you know nine dollars a month and you can the newspaper, and you really help me out by doing that. And so they would teach them to do these tactics. 30. Yeah, really dirty. And that's happened to me before. I don't know if you guys have ever had that, but I've had some kid who actually has come to sell me a newspaper,

and he has actually just handed me a script where he, and he supposedly was mute. Oh. And has this whole thing. That's hilarious. Yes, and I'm like, oh, sorry, you know, I don't know what the newspaper type of deal right? So I've seen it. It's happened to me firsthand and I didn't know that until until that situation that crazy. She say one word and I'll buy a magazine Just kidding dude, you know, I went this weekend Finally, refuge. Oh, you did go.

I did go this weekend. I'm just, I'm not sure. I didn't know how to do it. So, and I'm almost like, I don't even, I'm almost contemplating not even talking about on the podcast, because that would suck if that place got too popular, because it's awesome. Yeah, right, because it's not popular.

First off, I mean, it's like a big, secret fish hole. It's a big spa, and a lot of it's outdoor, but they have all these, you know, jacuzzi's and then cold dips and freezing dips and sauna and steam room. The sauna is the hottest sauna I've ever been in. It fuck, it's fire when you get in there,

and then there's like five levels, so you could sit at the very top and really sweat your dick off. Then when you get out, what I wanted to do is I wanted to jump in the cold dip. And so they have these signs over the cold and hot dips or whatever, and they'll have like little snowflakes. That tell you how cold it is. So for the cold dip, one snowflake is it's cold, like more than one is it's freezing. So I found the coldest one. How long are you able to stay in that? Oh, dude, only seconds. I was probably in there for 30 seconds.

30? Yeah. That's a long time. Yeah, and I actually dunked. Most people would like, they walk in, walk out. No, no, no, I went in, I went completely under. Yes, so did I. It was so cold, it was painful. Like, it hurt, like, it tingled everything and got whole, and then when you come out, you're so invigorated.

It's amazing. So I had, pardon me, I have to admit that I was motivated though because one of the workers there saw me going in it and like you could tell it like The people that work there when they see people get in that one like oh this dude's legit because not hardly anybody goes in the fucking freezing freezing What is it like 40 degrees? I don't know what it was, but it's fucking freezing. It's amazing. It's like ice cubes in it, right? So he came over to me and he told me that there's a ex Navy seal guy Who you know shows up there all time And he'll go and he'll sit at the bottom and hold his breath like two minutes under oh my god

So he gets he sinks to the bottom of that and he holds his breath like two minutes under I could I did I think I did it a bunch of times. I did a bunch of cycles. I think I did 15 seconds maybe man. I mean that's it's so cold that like yeah It's cold that when you Yeah, it's cold. That when you're ready to get out, you get the fuck out. Like I'm jumping out like, ah! And it hurts, it hurts your body, but it's really invigorating. How much did you love that layout?

I wish I had something like that dude. Accessible, it was too far and that sucks. It's like an hour or something, you know, drive or whatever. I know, it's a trip, right? You have to make a whole day out of it or whatever. Oh man, I wish we had something like this. I was there for like three and a half hours. Did you guys massage too or just use them?

No, man, I don't want to massage. I just wanted to go in there and just do cycles of all that. And then we would go in into these relax rooms where you go in and you can read or whatever so when they're reading and it was a good time. It's silent though, you're not allowed to talk. So nobody's talking in the whole place. Like you've sometimes done that.

Was that Ben Greenfield's house? We went in the sauna, then the cold plunge, and then right after cold plunge went into the hot tub, and that was pretty crazy. That was your first experience doing something like that, just this recent, like all in a row. Yeah, wow. You have always done them separate.

How cold, his is like 47 degrees. I mean, it was, yeah, it wasn't actually as cold as that. Yeah, it was it was cold like it wasn't when we went into the river That was way colder. I don't even know what temperature that was but that was like take your breath away like a panic mode Kind of cold. Oh, yeah, so make your dick go inside out. I had no dick shrieks everything. It's gone It's terrible. So what'd you guys do this weekend? What did I do this weekend? We have going on. Oh, I had a I had a funeral man. I had a my best terrible my best friends wife Father so his father-in-law just passed away. I mean that he was on his last name for quite some time the shitty part was he was They were overseas

Traveling and they got the news while they were traveling and so they came back to put a damper obviously on his trip they came back now she is uh... mong and uh... if you're not familiar with mong were the people that housed uh... the americans you know during the Vietnam war and so they were totally outcasted from the economic so and. And then we housed them over here. And I believe, we're said Sacramento, that area like that, there's a large population of them over there. And they're part of their culture when someone passes like that.

It's like a week long thing. So a week long and Saturday and Sunday we went by to pair our respects on Saturday, but it literally is a from 6 7 a.m. in the morning all the way till 10 p.m. at night back-to-back days. Wow. Of just ceremony. You know what's interesting to me about all these ceremonies and stuff that we surround around death? Because I actually had this discussion with someone a long time ago, like why do we have so many rituals around death?

Like every culture has rituals and every culture spends, most of them spend a couple of days of ritual to kind of the morning process or whatever. And I thought about like why do we do so much around death? Like why don't we just like bury them and then we're off or whatever? And I think the reason why it stuck around so long is probably because it helps the morning process.

You know what I'm saying? Like if you're someone who lost somebody very close, it's probably helpful to have like a five day or four day or whatever, or week long process where you show up and then you see all these family members and friends kind of support you each day You know, I mean so you can feel their support. So it is interesting though every culture's got something like that You know, I'll get you work through it. You know, you have a community there to kind of support you and that and every it looks different

Like in every culture, you know, some people that really celebrate it and you know make a party out of it and you know It's it's interesting to see like the different contrasts of cultures how they deal with it. Well, in my, and Sicily, when you die, they keep you in the house. I forgot how long. Oh, really? Yeah, they keep your body in the house for, I want to say a week, I'm probably wrong. Oh shit.

That's probably a long, yeah. I don't know. They keep the body there and people visit the home and then they do the process of the rosary in the funeral. So it's very interesting. When Katrina's dad passed, we kept him in the house for a while after, but I'm talking like hours, not like days.

No, they do some like days. He'd pass in the morning and we kept him there all day pretty much and everybody kind of like. People show up and do the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody. You know what, though, I want like, I want it to be like a fucking party, dude. Like I want everyone to get together and like celebrate my life like not mourn over me like I want it to be

Anybody and everybody that I impact them hopefully positively in their life show up fucking have a drink on you know Have a drink in my memory tab. We have a chance off of you. Yeah Seriously, I really want that I really I don't want I don't want like a bunch of people People are showing up like oh my god. Is that is that cocaine like no that's his ashes don't do oh That's not that kind of party I do like that on a big ass party room a big party party yeah, so if I go before I want like everybody to fucking cry. Like I want all. I want it to be just horribly sad.

You're the most impactful person. Okay, that's how bad, that's how like strong my ego is. Like when I'm a spirit, I'm going to watching. Wow, I feel your tears. Like, look how sad everyone is. Remember when you're a teenager and you're all like pissed off and depressed because you're a teenager? And you ever have those fantasies like,

wow, if I just died, people would be so sad. People would miss me. They'd be so sad if I died. My people would be so sad. They would miss me. They'd be so sad if I died. My parents would be so important. They'd cry so hard. Yeah. So stupid. Bring the bird on, Doug.

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The eagle has landed! Kwee Kwa... The motherfucking world! The eagle has landed! Quikwaa... Our first question is from Devania27. It's asking about lightweight versus heavyweight for women who have the goal to lose weight and look lean. Can we skip this question and just go straight to number four? No, no, no, no, no, we gotta wait, dude. No, fuck you. We gotta wait, we gotta wait.

Don't wait, don't ruin the whole episode, you can't skip around on it. No, we you. We got a weight. We got an address right now. Don't ruin the whole episode. You can't skip around. No, we can get this out of the way than everything else will flow nicely. I think it's a misstep by putting it at the end. We have to fuck. Well, here it is. I got to answer the question already, Justin. Sorry. Whatever.

Well, this is good. Actually, what you did is good, Justin. What you just did, it's like a retention gimmick that you just everybody has to pay. Everyone's a lisp patient. No, everybody has to be patient. Everyone's a little anticipation. Yeah, until the very end. So lightweight versus heavyweight,

I think the appropriate way to ask this question would be high reps versus low reps. Because that's really what's important. Lightweight heavyweight, it's all relative. Like what do you mean by light and heavyweight? Depending on the exercise that you're doing in the tension that you're creating with the exercise, your body doesn't know how much weight you're lifting. It just knows how much tension is being created.

So, but as far as the goal of losing weight, weights do one thing very, very well. They build muscle and build strength. Higher reps and lower reps both do this. And if you get stuck in one of them for too long, your body will stop seeing results. So the answer to this is both. You want to be able to do both, but you want to probably phase them

so that you're not necessarily doing both in the same week or the same workout. In other words, focus on a two to four week cycle of heavy weight and low reps, that's your focus. Your focus gets stronger within this five-reparange with weight. And then after that, maybe move into a higher rep range where it's maybe around 10 to 12. And then you could do that phase for a little while and then maybe even a higher one after that.

And all along the way, you'll see the body progress and you'll speed up your metabolism or at least your body will burn more calories because it's goal now, it's adaptation, signal is to build muscle. And in terms of weight loss, it's one of the best things you could do. Now increase your body's caloric burn.

Now that being said, no doubt for sure of all the women that I have trained in 15 plus years, getting them to lift heavy ass weight has impacted them positively more than anything else. So I know that's a generic answer. And like Sal said, we would we would move in and out and phase that I wouldn't just lift heavy weight. But most women have stayed away from lifting heavy weight and low repetitions for so long in fear.

Because that's been marketed to them. Yes. High reps low weight. Yes. So for so long, they've been lifting lightweight lots of repetitions and high intensity and sweating like crazy in their workouts that the lifting six reps or less even and heavy weight is such a different adaptation for their body that it responds incredibly. And it's part of the reason why we went in in maps red, it was created by Sal made it a low-reparange heavyweight the first phase because he knew right out the gates that first of all we know that

You know 65 65 plus percent of the people that purchase maps is gonna be women and it's it's north of that So more than half of our our audience is women and we knew that most women don't lift heavyweight. So we knew if we come out, if he came out with a phase right out the gates that is focused on that adaptation, a majority of people are going to respond very well right away. And the only women that I would say wouldn't respond extremely well are ones that are already power lifters or Olympic lifters, right? I mean, those, if there's any... It's just a small percentage of the population.

Part of the reason why people get such quick initial results is because they're switching into a phase that they're not, they're never trained in. And again, like Adam's saying, in particular, women typically don't train there because they believe that that's going to make them big and bulky when in reality. Again, muscles just grow or shrink. They don't do anything else. There isn't a difference between building muscle one way versus building muscle another way and how it's going to look.

They either build with a shrink and phasing your workouts is going to give you better results. If you are one of those women, by the way, they're extremely rare. I think I've only run into one in my entire life where they do build muscles so easily where we'd have to kind of scale it back. You still want to get to the fastest way possible. In other words, if you're trying to get results, why not get results the fastest way possible, the most effective way possible, which is the best way to build muscle. When you get to that point where you look in the mirror and you're like, oh, this is his tone, does that want to get, or this is his muscular as I want to get, then you can scale it back and scale back.

And now let's dive a little bit into the psychological part, why most clients that I've helped with this struggle with this is let's pretend we're starting off a program. And you say, hey, you know, my pump says this, or I just bought my maps program. And you start in phase one and it's heavy lifting low reps And your goal is to tone, you know, I'm doing air quotes right now is to tone up is that you tune is the tone You know, I'm a tuned this made up word right so you're you're trying to Lose body fat and build muscles what you're trying to do, right? So that person starts off and maybe their diet isn't all the way in check and they're eating in a little bit

of a surplus and all of a sudden they put on two or three pounds, like initially right out the gate to week or two in a training. And what happens is most of those people bail on the programming because they're like, oh my God, I did not sign up to get bigger. I don't want to get bigger and they freak out and they go away, winning reality, it's probably awesome.

They probably put on two pounds of muscle that their body is responding so well to this new adaptation they're not used to. And in fact, they're probably in a much better position as far as their metabolism is concerned, but because they're so caught up in the scale and maybe how they look in the mirror like, oh my god, I look bigger or oh my god, the scale showing me three pounds heavier and they bail on the lifting the heavy weights and they say, oh, there's no way heavy weights just doesn't good for me or how many times have you guys heard this from a female like,

oh, I don't lift heavy weights because I just get big so easy. I just blow up as soon as I touch weights. No, you don't. Yeah, no, that's what they think. They think that, but what's happening is they're building muscle and they're probably also eating in a surplus where. And they're overweight. Usually it's overweight people that say that. And fat takes up a lot more space on a pound per pound basis as compared to muscle.

It's just muscle is far more dense. So if you have body fat on you, or you gain body fat, you're going to get a lot bigger than if you just gain muscle. So even if you gain two pounds of muscle, you're probably not going to look bigger. You'll feel tighter. That's where the word tone came from. You'll feel it, but you're not going to look any bigger. The other thing, too, to consider is the intrinsic tension you can create with weights

to make them feel heavier. I think that's an important thing to cover. I know just in your big on that, and creating tension, maybe you can talk a little bit about how that can make something light feel heavy. Oh yeah, I mean it's all about the intent and what you're trying to accomplish with the range of motion. I've actually done this with a lot of people.

Once you start really articulating where to control the weight and where to hold your joints in the right angles. It completely takes a different form for the exercise. A lot of times I'll remove weights and we'll just use body weight techniques or we'll use stuff with a stick, which I'll use as well. But there's a lot of different ways for you to connect and intensify these types of movements intrinsically, which I feel like is a misstep from a lot of people where they're not really in control of their bi-like they think they're reacting to this weight

that they're trying to move. And so if you haven't really took the time to control the weight, it's really is a transformative experience for people because now they can actually start with the loading sequence and improve upon their training with that being the next focus. But the initial focus is, can I even move and control this weight with the proper mechanics? And I feel like there's just so many people that just bypass that step. And you know, here's the thing you wanna also consider.

Cause when you talk about lightweight, we should also cover super lightweight type exercises like we found and they were more popular back in the day, although I do still see a lot of Instagram posts like this where girls were promote, you know, where you're doing like these little, you know, leg kickbacks and you're doing like these little leg kickbacks and you're doing 50 reps or 100 reps

and you just wanna feel the burn and you're doing it like one exercise for like, for three minutes during the whole video or whatever. Here's something you wanna understand when it comes to your muscle. Yes, you are working your muscle with those super, super light but super high rep movements, you are. But you're training an adaptation that doesn't really require your muscle fibers

to change their appearance. So what I mean by that, if your motivation is to change that with one of your motivations is to change the way your body looks, you want to just, just, it's just smart to target the muscle fibers or at least the adaptation that has the biggest propensity for changing the way it looks. And that's strength. Endurance, not so much. When you're training for endurance, which is what this really lightweight high rep stuff will train for, your muscle fibers don't need to get bigger. They just need to become more efficient at getting rid of waste and utilizing energy. So if you're doing a lot of these super high rep sets, visually speaking, you're not going to get that much change. You're going to get much more endurance. So now you can do,

you know, 100, 200 reps of standing body weight squats, but your legs and your butt and whatever aren't going to look that much different. Now on the flip side, if I'm training for strength, and I'm training in the lower rep ranges, and when I say lower, I mean anywhere between one rep to let's say 15 or 20 reps, which I consider all within that muscle building range, but different, you know, different, still different adaptations, but still muscle building.

When you're training in there, what you're doing is you're asking for an adaptation that requires muscle fibers to actually grow. So you're gonna cause visible change in your body. This is why you can see endurance athletes and whatever, you know, doing all these exercise, all these movements and they still don't look some of them are lean because they burn so many calories in or eat much, but they don't have muscle development. If you lift weights for strength, you're going to see muscle development. So

again, if you're lifting weights to change the way your body looks and to become not more efficient with calories, but less efficient, because that's what happens when you build muscle, you burn more calories, then you want to focus on strength. So the heavier weight, that whole general category of heavier weight, is where you want to focus your attention when you're in the gym. Well, a lot of people don't understand exactly what's going on or what we're doing when we're building muscle and how that plays a role in your metabolism and how important all this is and changing these adaptations. And a simple analogy that I like to give to people that I think they they miss understand is let's take let's take two clients and let's say everything is exactly

the same. Same age age same everything same goal You know, and we'll just use round numbers that are easy for people to follow is they're both 200 pound women They both hire me and they say Adam. I want to get tone and lean. I want to look ripped I want to look I want to lose body fat. I want to drop 30 pounds of fat off of me and look lean and tone So both that's their goal both of them are eating when they meet me 1500 calories, let's say. And so one client, I say, okay, we're gonna do things the right way,

I'm gonna help you out. And our goal right now, I know you wanna lose weight, I know you wanna drop body fat, but I actually wanna help you build a metabolism that's going to help you sustain this long term. So that client I take off and I say, okay, for you, I'm gonna have you slowly increase your Chloric intake. I'm gonna have you lift heavy ass weight and this is what we're gonna do for the next four weeks. The end of that month this client looks at me and she's 202 pounds. She's heavier than when she hired me four weeks ago.

But on the flip side, she is consuming 2400 calories a day now. Now you have the other client who tells me Adam, I don't care what it takes to whatever we need to do to lose this weight as fast we possibly can, even if it goes against all your beliefs on how you wanna train and how you tell me, I don't give a shit about that, just let's lose this weight. And I say, okay, you're at 1500 calories right now. Let's throw in some cardio. Let's do lots of, lots of repetitions, lightweight. Let's

cut your calories to about 1300 calories. Month goes by. I'm doing this with this lady. She has lost 12 pounds. She's down 12 pounds. She's eating 1300 calories. Now, which one of those clients is happy with me and which one should be happy with me and what in that scenario? Client A who's actually gained two pounds who's consuming 2,400 calories. So she gained weight even though she hired me to lose weight is in a much better position than the girl who's eating 1,300 calories, doing all kinds of light repetitions, and has lost 12 pounds. And that's because of what we've done for her metabolism and what's going on. Because- Yeah, that's fast forward six months a year,

two years later, and see the difference between the two of them. Yeah, and people don't understand that. They don't, they, what they see is the scale, or they may think they're bigger. You may think they're bigger. Right, and what they, but they don't realize what's really going on with that, that body is you have built a much healthier metabolism

and body that is going to look better down the road, but we, because we took the right path. The other person who's ecstatic, because she's like, yeah, I'm almost halfway to my goal, but she's starving. She's eating 1300 calories, which is not sustainable for long-term, and she's doing all kinds of high repetitions in cardio. That is not sustainable. That person's probably did. So understanding that while you're going through this process, I think it's so important.

I think that's a lot of times why people stray away or scared of the heavy weight in this process. Quick commercial break. Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support MindPump. Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm-mindpump and get 20% off BrainFam for meditation or focus. You can also go to audible-trial.com-mindpump and get a 30-day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to get natureblend.com

forward slash mine pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield's CBD product. Travis Hayden 14, what's the best way to work out when dealing with low testosterone? This is actually a good question because this is becoming more and more prevalent today with men. We've actually touched upon this in some previous episodes, some older episodes, but we've noticed the trend now in medicine where general testosterone levels and young men have been declining now since we've been testing them for the past four or five decades. So there's something going on.

And men's like a 30 year old testosterone level now is significantly lower than what a 30 year old would have tested in the 1970s, for example. So- Which we speculated from, there's a lot of factors that could plan it. There's a lot from our food quality to the addiction to pornography and accessibility to it.

Well, it could be Xenoestrogens or chemicals that we now are exposed to that have estrogenic properties, lack of activity, changes in diet. So we're not quite sure what's causing this, but this is becoming more common. Now, one of the most effective things you could do to raise your testosterone levels to a healthy level is to train properly, lift weights properly. The reason why your body's testosterone levels

usually, not always, but usually will go up or become optimized with weight training, with proper weight training, is because you are asking your body to adapt in a way that it requires more testosterone. So if you're lifting weights in a way that is really effective in your body's trying to build muscle, one of the first things it'll do, or what it'll do as it's trying to build muscle, is it'll raise its natural testosterone levels to raise that signal so that you can adapt better

to whatever stimulus you're doing. You have to create that environment for you to have to overcome that signal so that you can adapt better to whatever stimulus you have to create that environment for you to have to overcome that. Your hormone levels will adjust based off of what you're telling your body you need. That's part of the environment that you can control and you can contribute towards raising testosterone, whether it's also eating. What are you eating? What are you contributing towards, you know, your hormone levels and making that balanced and optimal?

As far as resistance training is concerned, if you have low testosterone, your focus should be to maximize strength and muscle growth in nothing else. That being said, you also, there's a fine line of overdoing it too, I believe. Oh, 100%. That's why I was going to get into it. So I think that's where some guys go wrong here is they've got these low testosterone

levels. They hear somewhere that, hey, lifting weights is great for it. And so in their heads, they think more is better. And in this case, if you hammer the body, beast mode, no days off type of mentality, lower your testosterone. You will most certainly lower it. It'll get worse. In fact, that's one of the signs of over training

is lowered testosterone level. So, depends on the individual, but I would typically recommend no joke. Someone genuinely has lower testosterone. First off, if you're under the outside of the range that we get, and the range is pretty big, by the way, but if you're outside that range, you should probably go see a doctor number one. But if you're on the lower end of the range, so you're still considered normal, but it's

low, I recommend, and I've worked with lots of people, I guess, I recommend two to three days a week of weight training, and that's it. Max, you're in the gym doing a full body routine, two to three days a week of weight training, and that's it. Max, you're in the gym doing a full body routine, two to three days a week, your focus is on the big compound lifts, squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, row, like all these big movements, and you're not training to failure, because we're not trying to hammer the body too hard.

You're stopping about a couple of reps short. Your goal is to get stronger in the gym with these exercises. And as you get stronger and as you build muscle, your testosterone levels should go up. And you should feel good after each workout. You should not feel exhausted. As far as nutrition is concerned, you need to eat adequate fat. Saturated fat, believe or not in particular, is been connected to better testosterone level, so has dietary cholesterol. So what do you think about this?

This is something that I've recently kind of paid attention to more so than ever in my life, and I find it very fascinating. And I know this is anecdotal, but I wanna hear what your thoughts are. Now, being somebody who controls or testosterone levels through synthetics, right? So I take testosterone injections.

And a normal testosterone dose for me is every 14 days or so, 250 milligrams testosterone. So about 125 milligrams a week of testosterone. And I have gone up and down. Like when I was competing, I got as high as 500 milligrams in a week before. It was the highest I ever reached. And nothing impacted my sex drive more than my stress levels. I could I would notice there'd be times I was on the lowest amount of dose of testosterone, but I had a really good balance of meditation and things were going really good with work and Katrina and I maybe just traveled

and had a trip and just I felt really, really good and I could feel my sex drive. It would be through the roof. And then there would be other times where I'm taking double the amount of testosterone synthetically, but my sex drive was in the crapper. And when I started to notice, I'm starting to connect the dots, I started to realize, whoa, what I realized was more of it had to do with my stress than actually the testosterone that I was taking. And I found that really fascinating.

Do you think there's any weight to that? 100% testosterone is just one, it's one signal that can signal your libido to increase. There's many signals. So like self-esteem or so body image, like if you feel you look horrible, you have poor body image issues, that'll lower libido. That's actually quite common with women in particular What they're if they're not feeling sexy they can have all the fucking hormones in the world That are beneficial for sex drive. They're just not gonna have a high libido You so there's lots and lots of factors that affect libido and

Stress is just one of them the right kind of stress will increase testosterone. It will increase sex drive. So I'll give you an example of this. They've actually done studies on this where if they have a guy and a girl that are dating, if they encounter a dangerous situation, let's say they almost crash, or they get held at gunpoint and then they survive

or whatever, sex drive goes to the roof immediately afterwards. This is why taking a girl to a scary movie, this is a smart play. One of the reasons why that tends to be a smart play, because that excitement and then the relief of safety actually triggers this horny effect, if you will. Pro tip, right? Next first day, pull a gun on your cheek.

Let's go skydiving. Yeah. It's like a gun. Oh my god. I don't recommend it. You went your chick. Let's go skydiving. Yeah. It's like, oh my god. I don't recommend it. You went that direction. Yeah. All right. I like that.

Next question is from Johnny dumbbells. Johnny. Hey, it's Johnny dumbbells again. What are your thoughts on people like Dr. Oz? Like people like, huh? In quotations, right? I think that this is great. We just did a recently released a

response to Joe Rogan's episode where he had some, what's side, side babe or whatever her name was, who was a chemist or scientist or I don't know who the fuck she was, but you know, a lot of times people like this. Now, Dr. Oz is, he's an actual doctor, right? So he has his PhD, right? But what happens is you become like a super specialist in an area, right? Or in your field, whatever that may be. And I don't even know what Dr. Oz is. Do you know what his actual specialty? Is it a brain surgery? Uh, he's a legit, I mean, very, very intelligent guy. He's not a PhD. But he's, but he has peddled some serious bullshit. Well, this is what happens, right? So what ends up happening, and this is the,

why I'm not a green coffee, the doctor, the doctor name in front of me. Right away, we give all this like, clout to that, like, oh, they're doctors, so they must know. But I mean, you can be a doctor in one field, and know very little about it. It can be very brilliant brilliant and you're very specialized

in that one thing and then now of sudden you're broadcasting all this other information that I'm like, wait a minute, whoa, I don't know that you're very versed in nutrition for instance. Well, and that's the one that really helped me connect these dots because I'll be the first to admit, I felt the same way too.

Like I figured out that this guy's a doctor, he must know this, especially if he's my medical doctor. He must know about food and what I should be eating and diet and things like that. And the more I encountered more of these MDs, I started a vascular surgeon. Oh, he's a cardiovascular surgeon, okay. So when you know that, you know that he's hyper specialized

in that area, they don't have to do very much schooling at all for something like nutrition So when you get someone like Dr. Oz who I know puts out a lot of nutritional advice and information You got to be fucking careful. You're giving him you're still giving him too much credit It's it's not even it's more than that It's not even that he doesn't know because it's not a specialty. Here's what people need to understand. Having an education or a certification or letters after your name does not guarantee that someone's gonna have integrity.

At all, some of the most dishonest fucking people you'll find in the world are some of the most educated connected people ever. In fact, if you look at all of the economic crisis in wars and shit that we've done in mankind, they were all done by highly educated wizards with letters after their name. It doesn't mean he has integrity. Yes, he's a doctor. Propheteria of predatory practice.

He's a doctor and what happens with Dr. Oz is because he's a doctor, and I'm sure he's a doctor. Profitering off of predatory practice. Yeah, he's a doctor. And what happens with Dr. Oz is because he's a doctor, and I'm sure he's a variant, I mean, I know he's a very, I know what he's done. He's a very intelligent doctor in his field. He's a brilliant man. But what he's doing now is he's using that to sell shit. Like I sell supplements that are fucking bullshit. You know, time out, bring it.

And he called out to like, you went to court a couple times and tried to, he tried to, like basically defend the fact that, like he had magic, like in his, in his verbiage, like even describing some of the supplements, like has this magic effect to it. Yeah, no, like what, explain to me the magic. No, you mean, there's been, there's been investigations into some of his claims

and some organizations have found like 46% of his claims are totally misleading or incorrect. So here's what I really hate. Actually hate people like him more than I hate the fitness professionals and the whatever, you know, snake oil salesmen that don't have a doctor before the name because they, because they're automatic, because it's easier

to see if they're full of shit. But when someone like him who's got, like this incredible education in pedigree, because the guy's, he's a wolf. He's a decorated, you know, doctor, and there's some doctors that like, neurosurgeons and like, very brilliant, and then they'll come out and they'll say something that's totally false just to

Make their pockets better. Well, we know we know how complex the body is there's so many systems going on And there's there's there's people that are all we have doctors in all these specific systems because that's how Complex the human body is and there's still so much about the human body that we don't know. So you get somebody who understands a part of the human body on a level higher than, like 90% of the population. And so they can take advantage of a majority of the people

that don't understand what they're saying. And when they present it in a way that sounds credible because they're using big words in terminology that sounds good, it's hard to be able to filter that out. I mean, people like Dr. Oz are a lot of what inspired mind pump. It really was because this is what is wrong with the health and fitness industry, is it's full of charlatans like this,

that prey on the average consumer that doesn't know any better. And they don't know what to look for. They don't know what to listen for because they don't understand half the verb, which these guys are saying. And because they're credible, because they're on Oprah's show,

because they've got a doctor in front of their name, they want to believe that what they're saying is true. And in reality, it's a bunch of bullshit, and it's's hard to see that and that's really what inspired us to do is just to be a filter for people for guys Like no, it's look I know it's not like that for me personally It's not that I disagree with everything he does There's things that he says and does what or you know, he's giving out good information. It's just that You know with his his pedig and his background for him to peddle some of the shit that he puzzles and says,

it's really disheartening, it really pisses me off. I used to train a lot of doctors and if I brought up Tuckera's, they would get very angry. They get angry, yeah. Because he just, there's no integrity there. And it's, you know he's an entertainer. Here's what you understand.

The man is an entertainer first and a doctor second. How does he make his living? He makes his living entertaining people on a talk show and selling his supplements. He does not make a living being a doctor really anymore. So consider that. You know, of course, if someone has an education, that's probably a good starting point,

but it does not guarantee that they have integrity that they're not gonna lie to you. There's another doctor in our industry that we've talked and shit about many times. I'm gonna bring his name up anymore, but also horrible claims and he likes to say, well, I'm a doctor and that's why what I'm saying, that doesn't mean you fucking tell the truth, dude.

Doesn't mean you're not trying to rip people off. Well, and I feel like the bigger and the more famous they are, the more likely they are. You know what's funny? They actually have now studies to confirm that. Did you know that there's actual, so here's, this is what's cool now. I've been reading this book by,

God, what's his name? Michio, Michio, what's his name? Clarke, if I can't remember how his pronounce his name, I think it says name, right? Theoretical physicist and he wrote this book and I'm reading about all these studies. In the last 15 years, we've learned more about the brain and how it works than in the previous 500 years, because of MRI technology and stuff like that. What they're finding is power.

You guys know the term that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. They're finding that when people have power it actually changes the structure of the brain and how the brain operates. It truly does corrupt people. So when you've got this doctor, you've got this politician who starts in this particular area field and they're doing things with integrity and the bigger they get and the more power they get, unless they actively check it, unless they actively have people around them that's whose goal and job is to keep them,

keep their integrity. They actually change and start to view things a little differently. And that's probably what happens to people like Dr. Oz who was a decorated surgeon, you know, doctor and now was selling bullshit. And I'm sure if you, you know, you found Dr. Oz, you know, 20 years ago and introduced him to himself now, he'd be saying the same thing.

Oh, for sure. I would say that. It's very, very interesting, but you're right. Like the more like celebrities, celebrities live in this vacuum and say this bullshit, and you can't believe that anybody could actually believe in that kind of stuff and know they do. They actually believe in them, you know,

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considering the nature of the industry? No. Are industries? This is the one that you want to read first. Yeah. No, I don't need you guys to respond. No. I resent the fuck out of him.

Yeah, all the time. All the time. I give of them all the time. I give I give Justin shit all time. Here's a deal with the beauty of Mind Pump is that and that's just I I like that we are so different. We couldn't be more different. All three of us yet there's a lot of things that we see wrong with the fitness industry that we can come together and discuss. And to be honest, to me, the show would not be as successful as it is if all three of us were like each other and had similar views and ideologies and everything because there's going to be a... And in case this person doesn't know this already, I'll share with you right now that when we do pulse checks on our audience, who the favorite host is,

fucking Justin wins every goddamn time. So from a business standpoint, and when you look at it like that, Justin being Justin, who he is, is better for our business than it would be for me to try and mold him into being more like me or more like south. Well the question, I mean, part of it is based in some truth, right? In the fact that the industry that we're in fitness, you know, it sells to look a particular way, right?

That's a big selling point and it's very hard to get people to listen to what you have to say if you don't look a particular way and this is why you have people like the guy I don't even know what his name is, Ataline X or whatever's name is. The guy's got a huge following on YouTube. He's a legit physical therapist and some of the stuff he a lot of stuff he teaches he's very, very good but he teaches every video with a shirt off. Every single video, dude has a shirt off and he's ripped. Why does he do that? Can he teach what he's teaching without being ripped without a shirt being off?

Of course, but the reason why he does it is our industry has, you know, people tend to not want to listen to him. Well, if you look at the same reason why I competed, it's the only reason why I competed. It's the only reason why I competed. I didn't have this like burning desire to get on stage and a fucking in a bathing suit. I never, I hated that. But I also recognized and knew that didn't matter how much knowledge I had, didn't matter

how many people, how many lives I'd changed before that. People want to see that you can do that and it does and that's what sucks about the industry is that's true. So I get that. And maybe if it was, if Justin was all by himself, this would be a different scenario, but it's that's the beauty of there being three of us as we have that ability that we don't have to. Yeah, there's a certain, of course, there's a certain level of, you know, fitness that your body will reflect because you're living what you're preaching. But the difference, there's a pretty wide range of what that can look like. So Adam competed, and so there's times when Adam diets down to the shredded, shredded

level, which actually doesn't even represent his health because his health, people would look at him when he's his most lean and say, oh, he's so healthy and fit. When in reality, that's probably when he's not, when he's his least lean and say, oh, he's so healthy and fit. And when in reality, that's probably when he's not, when he's his least healthy and fit, because he's so extreme, right? I've gotten shredded to that point as well. I tend to walk around a little leaner because that's the way my body tends to represent, you know, my lifestyle.

You can also be heavier and have that same representation. I've worked with, you know, it reminds me of, I was, you know, I was a big MMA fan back in the day. I still love Theater. Yeah, I still love watching Fedor Emilie and Enko fight because he was He wasn't like overweight or anything wasn't this big fact. I mean, he's kind of you know chubby compared to like some of his Shredded, you know ripped you know, roided out opponents and then they fight and he'd beat the shit out of them And it was always great to watch because it doesn't tell the whole story. So there's

no resentment whatsoever for anything, which is hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you guys addressed that. Yeah. It's important. Yeah. Do you have anything you want to add to that, Justin? I don't know, man. Like, to be honest, I feel like this question is like part of the problem of our industry. And, you know, for me personally, I had mentioned this like a long time ago on the show. It's like, I don't have any like desire to walk around, shredded, and, you know, less than 10%

or put in the kind of work I know in the discipline that it takes to constantly look at myself, be critical of that and put in those practices in place and that's going to consume my entire lifestyle. And for me, of course, my wife's called me right the second to check up on me. You know, for me, it's like, I just, I honestly, like going through working out, it was all for what I could do. And, you know, how much strength I could produce and what kind of movements that would create on the field.

And, you know, my body would be a reflection of that as a result of that. And I feel like, you know, this, this culture is like, this culture of vanity and this culture of over exaggerating the, the, that, this six pack abs and eight pack abs and all these things like, things, that's the definition of health and that's completely off. And we're all missing a mark with that when that's our entire pursuit of health, wellness and fitness. And so for me, I'm completely repelled

to being a douchebag. And I'm not gonna, you guys are the exception to incorporating health, wellness, to being a douchebag and I'm not gonna you know you guys are the exception to you know incorporating health wellness and like the mindset of like improving yourself like like for me like I have always thought of that being the fucking douchebag and I have not hung out with anybody like that that hasn't been completely self-centered and fucking annoying to be around I'm sorry dude but you self-centered and fucking annoying to be around. I'm sorry, dude, but you looking at yourself constantly for a mirror and constantly checking yourself

like a fucking girl all day long to see if you have your abs showing and this and that. I'm not interested in that shit. Don't bring that to me, dude. You're trying to tell me that that is a representation of fitness, you can fuck yourself. I don't want any of that. They probably do.

Now you know, you know, you're knowing that, Justin, do you ever battle though with that knowing because the industry is that way? We all know that because we discuss this openly, like how, how, because that was a struggle for me, was like, I didn't really want to compete. I didn't really want to do any of that stuff. I felt compelled.

And at that time, it was when you and I were gonna do the app together and I thought, like, I need to get out there. And I feel like, you know, I hate to, I don't want to be the guy who is... I've gone back and forth and I've tried to hustle and like, be like, oh, you know, I can make my physique and my muscles pop and this and that and like,

you know, go through this program where I'm like gonna shred down and cut down and like, you know, go through this, this, this program where I'm like, in a shred down and cut down and, you know, I did all that and I tried to look the best that I could, you know, look and go through the hustle of that. But, um, I'm just not interested in starving myself. I'm not interested in, in being fucking narcissistic and, and walking around through life, being obsessed. And being obsessed is literally what it takes to constantly be like that. And if you have a healthy obsession and you're doing it, you know, and you're benefiting your body with nutrients

and you're always like checking your health, you know, then that's maybe a bonus to it, but otherwise, honestly, you can't really make an argument to me that says otherwise. Well, I think it depends on the person, right? I don't obsess about nutrition. It's not something I obsess about.

That's the way my body reflects it just by the way. Well, you have an actual condition. You have to be careful about what you're eating because it obsets, you know, IBS. Like it obsets, you know, IBS, like it obsets, it is a culture of your stomach. Yeah, and that's part of it. I mean, that's my point.

Like, you can live a very healthy life and you're gonna look healthy. And now healthy can look different from person to person. On some people it looks leaner, on other people it looks not as lean, but health doesn't look like one particular thing. We've just attached the aesthetic to that.

But let me ask you this, Justin, do you think is part of you because you're such a, you're one of the, and we're all the same way. Somebody fucking hammers us enough and tells us to do something enough, we will definitely more do it. We're involved, right? On purpose, right? Yeah, I'll get fatter now as a result. I'm gonna bolt the fuck up and get fat and be like,

I'm still awesome. You know what I mean? I'm not even fat now and I'm getting this kind of shit. You know, like fine. Watch when I'm a sumo. Yeah, watch what I do then. You did the opposite. Yeah, I just, it's just so funny.

It's so typical to me, dude. Like, I just wanna like be a megaphone for like, this is such a little small community, which seemed really big, but like if you ask anybody that's involved in sports or like movement or concerned with like joint health or any of that and you ask them, like, who's your favorite bodybuilder?

Who the fuck Joey Schuol is? Who the fuck is that? Who cares? He doesn't know anything. You know what I mean? Like, Who the fuck Joey Schuol is? Who the fuck is that? Who cares? He doesn't know anything. You know what I mean? Who the fuck cares about this guy you might have abs? They're not benefiting my life. And I might sound like an asshole coming out here

and calling it because I appreciate it. I appreciate what it takes for people to do it as a sport. And that's your pursuit. But look at your lifestyle, look at the people around you. Are they fucking happy hanging out with you? No way, dude. No way, I won't fucking hang out with you. You're annoying.

That's a good point. From a business standpoint, to be honest with you, it doesn't, I mean, having three dudes that all look the same, it's actually less effective. I would say. No, it is less effective. And this is, this is not the first time I've addressed this question I mean people have asked me this privately before and I don't even bring it to Justin's attention because I don't think it's worth Discussing because I'm like I want I know and I think part of the reason why we are even allowing him to

To vent right now because I feel like you know what it know what, I think it's time I've had enough people that have asked me before that it's like, you know what, Justin hasn't vocalized this before. And I feel like I wouldn't want him to be like me, no more than I would want myself to be like Sal and vice versa. I mean, that's what makes mind pump so special is that everybody brings a different perspective

to the table. And there's going to be a large amount of people, especially when you're talking about tens of thousands or in our case a million downloads or do a million downloads a month. So there's a fucking lot of people listening. And you better fucking believe I'm very well aware that in all those downloads, there's thousands of people who don't fucking like me. Dan, think that I'm a douchebag because I fucking compete and get on stage and I'm bulking up right now and then I get shredded and I have to take fucking underwear pictures. I am 100% aware that there's plenty of people that don't fucking like me. The fact that we have polarizing personalities is better for the business, is better for listeners

because there's going to be certain people that are going to appeal to each one of us individually and connect to our personalities and our thought process. And that's just my personality. My personality is like, that's expected, right? That's expected for you to be this, this person's archetype of fitness has to be, you know, super like shredded, like constantly.

And you know, I get that and I get that's people's perceptions, but like, I don't give a fuck. And that's my personality. Well, the hard part, and I kind of feel, this is the tough part, like I just recently went through this whole mobility journey. And you know, part of that for me was I was going to let go of that, the vanity part, let go of the look at me, look how ripped I am and the macro county and all that stuff,

which is a big part of my personality and character on this show. But I knew what my body needed, and I knew what I needed to do for my own personal journey, and I didn't give a fuck what everybody else thought. But it kind of sucks because I know I lost a lot of traction and attention on my social media platforms when I was doing that. It didn't appeal to a lot of people.

And now that I'm back onto my macro counting and getting buffed and shredded. And now all of a sudden, I see all this attention on my, on my Insta story and everything's up way more than what it was before. So it's tough. It's tough being in our, in our position when it comes to things like that, doing what we want to do for our personal journeys and health and fitness and what makes us happy versus, okay, always having to take into consideration that we're being watched by thousands of people and we're influencing others and thinking about that.

It's definitely, there's definitely a challenge there for sure. Well one thing, you don't ever feel sorry for any of us. You know what I mean? Like, God damn it. Like seriously, like don't do that. Like, cause like, I'm so confident and I'm so happy with where I'm at. And like like don't don't look at that as like something like, oh God, you know, you look at it. Like the fuck off. Like I am so great right now. You know, like this question is hilarious to me.

Did like, I'm a problem with this or something. You know, this or something? I'll tell you what, the message has been, and we talk a lot about different people's goals and how to get there and what the proper method with nutrition and exercises, and especially when the goals get specific. But at the end of the day, the general theme is that if you live a healthy life, which is true for you, with healthy intentions, where it's not about the goal, it's about the process, where every day, it's decisions that are made that feed your body properly,

that help your body move properly, everything from building strength, to building endurance, but also just feeling good, your mental state, your spiritual state. If you do all of those things, your body will have a physical representation that represents what that health looks like for you. And that, to the average person, is very attractive.

But it doesn't always, it doesn't look the same from person to person. You need to understand that. And so some people are gonna look some way and other people are going to look another way. But the way it's going to look when you're really living that healthy lifestyle is vibrant. It's the most attractive way that you look to most people. Of course there's people out there who like the extremes and I get that too.

But it's all about health and nothing is sexier than being healthy. And that's really what it's all about. It nothing is sexier than being healthy and that's really what it's all about It's not about a six pack six packs on some people shows up When they're optimal health on other people it doesn't and it doesn't fucking matter So you know those you live listening to you tend to freak out and say I need to get super you know And I I don't know what I'm doing wrong and I did I've had female clients who were built like you know wait lifters Who would fret because they didn't look like the bikini girl on stage. And it's like, your body's built differently, but we can make you healthy, and I promise that that will be the best representation of you.

You're gonna look the best as a result, but that shouldn't be the goal. The goal is not that. The goal is the process. So I guess that's the underlying message. Check it out. If you want to ask us a question that we can answer on a episode like this one, the place to do it is on Instagram. The page is Mind Pump Media. We all have personal pages. Mind is Mind Pump Sal, Justin is Mind Pump Justin, Adam is Mind Pump Adam, Doug is Mind Pump Doug and also go to YouTube and subscribe to Mind Pump TV. We post a new video every single day and give Justin some love. Cludes maps on the ball, maps performance and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased, expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs.

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