Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 558: Dr. Joseph Mercola- Natural Health Maven

Episode Date: July 24, 2017

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin interview Dr. Joseph Mercola, the founder of mercola.com, the world's largest natural health website. Dr. Mercola, is a controversial figure who has criticized pharmaceutical companies and many western medicine practices while recommending natural alternatives that have come under fire in recent years. Regarded by some as a quack, much of what he has spoken about over the years is now becoming more mainstream. Whether you agree with him or not, he is a man ahead of his time and if you are serious about maximizing your health there is much to be gleaned from what he teaches with regard to diet and lifestyle. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Got a beard? Condition your beard with Big Top Beard Company’s natural oils and organic essential oil blends to make it not only feel great but smell amazing! Get Big Top Beard Company products at www.bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts!

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Yeah, Adam all right. Yeah, right now you're richy This is the redhead guy. No, that's Adam. No I'm definitely fans are really come on. Is A, please. In this episode of Mind Pump, we got to interview the man, a doctor, a highly controversial subject online. This individual, Dr. Joseph Mercola, he has one of the most visited wellness sites.

Not one of the most visited when he went by a long place to go. Yeah, here's the thing about Dr. McCollough, he's been around for a while. And a lot of the stuff he said back in the day that people said was crazy is now being confirmed, talking about the benefit of ketogenic dieting, for example, and some of the health detriments of eating certain foods

are not official sweeteners. But he's also known for talking about things that are not accepted at all nowadays. And so he's one of those people, one of those figures that just, he can be pretty polarizing. I really enjoy Dr. McCola's stuff. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says only because some of the stuff he comes out with

is so new that there's no way to prove it one way or the other, but I really respect the man. But we all pay attention to it. I always pay attention. Because of you. Yeah, how things have laid out, like what he said in the past, how that's all kind of come full service. Especially nutritionally. Well, when it comes to like being an authority on ketogenic type dieting, on cholesterol,

and its effects on the body, on saturated fats, you know, things that have been demonized for so long. Great book, Fat for Fuel. Fat for Fuel is his book. It's a new one, which is, and it's pretty cool, I've looked into it. It's actually a very good book. Get it to our Audible.com.

We got it there, excellent. He, but he's like an authority on some of those subjects and I've gone through, this is a guy that I reference, reference I should say quite a bit when it comes to certain subjects so somebody that we We've respected and known about for a very very long time so it's exciting to have them on the show to talk about a lot of these different things For those you don't know he's an alternative medicine proponent an osteopath physician, he's a real doctor, a web entrepreneur, and again, his website, mercola.com, is the most visited natural health website online. So it's massive, massive. He's got lots and lots of people reading his stuff, and a lot of, again, what he does is

criticizing many of the aspects of standard medical practice. Also, we launched our new program, Maps Prime Pro, which is truly a correctional-based program. What that means is it's not a workout, per se. It's something that is designed to help you self-assess your body and figure out what you need to do to get better recruitment patterns to correct muscle and balances to alleviate pain, to get your body moving better when you do your workouts. It's it's in great detail.

It covers parts of the body that most or actually no programs cover. I don't know if any of the program. This was really our answer. What's the fitness program doing? This was really our answer. Like all of our programs have been an answer to somebody else or a majority of people doing things poorly. This is our answer to like a lot of bad chiropractors out there. Chiropractors that have people come in

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and you can get them both at mind pump media.com. So without any further ado, here's Dr. Mccola. Now Dr. Mccola, real quick, tell us a little bit about how you got started. Now you are a licensed physician. You also have one of the largest followings online in the health and wellness fear period if not the top. It is the largest in health and wellness. How many people do you reach?

Do you know numbers? How many people you reach? What your reach looks like? We have 15 million unique visitors every month. Wow, that's absolutely incredible. A lot of influence. You have 15 million unique visitors every month. Wow, wow, that's absolutely incredible. A lot of influence. You have a tremendous amount of influence. Right. What got you started in this? What made you decide to go from, you know, being a doctor where you're working with patients to, you know, writing books, getting online and really spreading out some of the things that you talk about. Well, it's just primarily an integration of two of my passions, which is helped in the other's technology.

I took my first computer programming class in 1968. So I've been passionate about both of those fields, but I never really had time once. I went to medical school to go into technology. I was obsessed with compulsive about getting that information down. But once I graduated and started my practice, then I started back into it again. In the mid-90s, the internet came out and, well, she's not the internet, the internet was developed in 68, but the web, which was the graphical user interface to access. And about two years later, I started my website.

So we've been on doing this for about 20 years now. And it would initially was motivated by a desire to find out the information sources that my patients were coming to me with and telling me news before I found it. Because I was in the office practicing all day and they were home watching TV and I've realized that the newscatchers were getting it from the internet and I could do the same thing and put my spin on it and I thought if I liked it, someone else would and so I just started creating a newsletter in the late 90s.

Excellent. Now, you're known for being quite polarizing, controversial. You've been on one side, people say you speak the truth. You're very, in many ways, very counter to accepted Western medical advice. And on the other hand, people have called you everything from a quack to a charlatan. Why do you think that is why are you so counter i mean is this something that happened early on as a doctor where you saw where you were taught certain things and they just didn't make sense with what

you were seeing in your practice i've always been interested in health and uh... unfortunately was manipulated in the scene when i went to some brain wash essentially went to med school and wanted to prescribing lots of drugs to my patients and eventually recognized as most physicians who were honest that that model fails miserably that it never hardly ever addresses the core foundational issues of what's causing disease. So then I started exploring other options.

And once you start getting successes in those areas, that essentially offer alternatives, competitive alternatives, the commercial system, then you start receiving lots of discrediting campaigns, herald at you, which they certainly herald immediately in massive forces. This is you, that's not a strategy that they're just focusing on me. They've done it historically through, not just in medicine or health, and a wide variety of other disciplines.

That's the strategy, is that the incumbents tend to hurl these discrediting campaigns and then the truth gets buried essentially. So I've literally threw the information I've exposed across these large major corporations, tens of billions with a B dollars and losses to their bottom line net revenues. So there's, I mean, if any good business would be,

they're gonna seek to stop the leaks. That's why they're pissed off. Most common strategy is discredit, and was sort of pretty skilled at. They've got loads of resources to access some of the sharpest and cleverest minds in the planet and how to do this. They're relatively effective at getting their point across. Is there a time, an article or a moment in your career when you really knew that this is what's happened?

So in other words, like when you first put out something that was controversial, when did you really first feel the heat from others that were trying to suppress what you were trying to get out there? It's, I really can't recall a specific incident. It's just that it's a whole wide variety of them. But one that I can recall is vitamin D. When I first started explaining to people how important this was,

this was in the early 2000s, like 2001 or so, 2000s and even. And there was a lot of pushback on that and saying, no, you're crazy. And then there was another issue with, of course, we know that's the case. That's actually one area where I was able to catalyze the transformation of the perspective of an evening and conventional medicine. So at least, vitamin D now is recognized as a very important therapeutic adjunct. Unfortunately, almost all conventional physicians think that the way to get vitamin D levels normalizes

through swallowing, which is exactly the wrong strategy. But at least they're understand that it's important. So that's a step in the right direction. Then the omega-3 fats was another issue. And of course, the old vaccines, which is highly controversial, and really the area of health care that almost every physician will fail to embrace until the very end. And that's how you know someone who's really made the conversion, is that they realize the challenges with the whole model of using vaccines to improve the new system.

Doug, share with our audience that might not know that history of vitamin D and how you brought that to the forefront. What was it that old ways we're talking about this or collecting to talk about this and what exactly? Well, back in, you know, may not seem, but even today there's still some positions you don't understand this but the rda's were like two hundred or four hundred units of vitamin D which is essentially in significant dose and anyone who would even think or dream of recommending those much higher a thousand units and you know what many people described now the twenty or fifty thousand units should have their license reprimanded because it was going to kill people. So there was this strong reluctance to really adopt any type of therapeutic benefit.

And of course, the old dogma that the sun is dangerous, which exists to this very day, that if you go out in the sun with us lathering your skin with sunscreen, you're going to come down with cancer, which wouldn't, and the irony is it's the actual opposite that avoiding the sun and using skin or sunscreen, at least most conventional sunscreens will actually increase your risk of cancer. Now, what is wrong with the, why is that? Is it because low vitamin D increases risk of cancer, or is it because of the chemicals that are in the chemical-based sunscreens that can also increase risk of cancer, or is it both? It's both.

It's actually both. Yeah, there's no question that epitomial logically, there is an incredible strong correlation between vitamin D levels and the risk of cancer. In fact, most of the analysis suggests that it will reduce your cancer is optimized by 50 percent as a significant reduction considering that cancer is heading towards the number one cause of death in the US in the next six years or so. So what is some practical advice that you give to people, Doc, then? How much sunshine should you be exposed to on a daily basis?

I know it's different for everybody based off of... Yeah, you just have to give guidelines because you're absolutely correct. There's a lot of dozen different variables that contribute to the dose that you should get based down the time of year, the time of day, season, your latitude, cloud cover, full-wide variety of things. But essentially, if you're Caucasian and you have relatively white skin, you want to go outside, at least initially,

and tell your skin turns the lightest shade of pink, which is the, also called the MED, the minimal erythemal dose, which could be as little as two minutes in some people. I mean, that's, you don't, so you can't give a specific recommendation. And it may be four hours in a deeply pigmented African-American, but obviously they're not going to be able to self-digit a pink skin because they're not going to be able to self-aggress at peak of skin because they're not going to be able to see it. But the dose can be widely varied. I myself live in the East Coast of Florida and typically walk about 90 minutes a day on

the beach and the time varies based on the year. So this time of year, I'll be out early in the morning, try to get in before 10 o'clock and sometimes even before 8 before 10 o'clock and then the, and sometimes even before eight or nine o'clock, but in the winter it'll be around so we're new. Now, Dr. McCola, and I want to be clear with our audience, by the way, because we're going to get into the more controversial subjects that you have opinions on right now. They're considered very controversial now, but I want the audience to know that that piece of advice That you just gave was extremely controversial

Not that long ago now today. It's right coming. It's becoming more mainstream in fact It just read a study that showed that some burn They didn't even correlate some burn to certain types of melanoma, but they did correlate and associate using sunscreen with them. So now it's starting people start to look at it, but back, 15 years ago, it was extremely controversial. One of the other things, and one of the ways that I found you was when I was doing my research a decade ago on saturated fat and cholesterol intake, and back when you were talking about saturated fats and cholesterol, it was completely accepted that both were very bad for you.

And now it's much more mainstream now. Now more studies are showing that it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, I was on Dr. Oz in an argument with a month who's claiming, I think he's a cardiologist, I think he is, a cardiovascular surgeon, but he was claiming a saturated fat. He dropped his drink pool and it was claiming that it was a major contributor to heart disease. In fact, now we know it's not, and unfortunately a progressive increase in number of professionals are starting to accept that. But that's the history.

I doubt these, I'm not sure why it is, but I'm able to understand these perspectives earlier than mothers, typically, and it's validated by the science that's out there. And I catch a lot of flack for exposing it, but eventually people realize it was true. So unfortunately, we're still not there in a lot of theack for exposing it, but eventually, you know, people realize it was true. So unfortunately, we're still not there in a lot of positions, I hold. Now, let's talk about saturated fat for a second if you don't mind. Saturated fat does in some people and many people, in fact, especially if you eat a lot of it, you will increase your total cholesterol numbers and some people increase their LDL numbers, at least the way we test them

uh... and you said that's not a bad thing why well that always true especially if you have things like coconut oil because all of coconut may increase it but we know i found a very high saturated that died my cholesterol like rarely over one thirty or one forty and i'm not saying that it's good i think that ideal cholesterol is probably closer to 200, maybe even a little bit higher. And really, total cholesterol is a very poor predictor of heart disease.

You really have to do the sub fractions of the cholesterol particles and the fractions and to make a better assessment. Simple ratio would be either HDL and total cholesterol ratios. But to just use total cholesterol as a marker is not that wise. But in fact, if you look at the studies, low cholesterol is probably a pretty strong indicator of developing certain types of chronic degenerative diseases like cancer. So why you said about particle sizes, let's talk about LDL, the bad cholesterol.

What's the difference? What do we talk about particle sizes? Well, you can do something called NMR analysis. It's really one of my specialties. I haven't seen patients for 10 years now, but there's a nice, so I can't don't recall the specific details because that analysis was developed after I stopped seeing patients. But you can look at those up and there's healthy ranges and you can more accurately predict

your likelihood of developing cardiovascular disease. Okay. One thing I noticed as an athlete is when I increase my dietary cholesterol intake, I notice I get much stronger in the gym, at least in the short term. Is that something that people can expect to feel when they increase their dietary cholesterol? What's the role that it plays in? Let me know, muscle adaptation, strength.

I don't know the dietary cholesterol plays a significant role one with the other. Most of the cholesterol is made in your body, it's not ingested through your diet. Okay. So, it's really more than macronutrient ratios, so the percentage is of fat, carbohydrate, and protein, and that's really what I discussed in my new book, Fat for Fuel, which was the best-selling nonfiction book book in United States last week.

Excellent. Congratulations. All right. You recommend people go on a high fat low, very low carbohydrate, moderate kind of protein diet. Do you recommend that for most people? It's actually a lot more complex than that. So you know, run into some complications and simplify it.

So, but basically, the cyclical key to genoc diet, which fortunately a lot of people in the period that can be certain to appreciate, but it's so, initially, what you describe is correct. It's relatively low, but at the same time adequate amount of protein, which is one of the biggest mistakes most paleo people make. They have too much protein. And there's no doubt in my mind for a whole variety of reasons why that's important. One of the primary ones is that it's influenced on this signaling pathway called M-tore, mechanistic target of rapid mice. And when you activate that with large amounts of protein, which is the primary way that is activated,

you can have some long-term complications. Not that you want to chronically suppress it, just like you don't want to chronically suppress insulin. But when you do that initially, because most people, 70% of the country is overweight, and at least a third of 40% of the people living in their obese. So those individuals would benefit from this transitional phase, which could take anywhere

from a few weeks to a few months to shift their metabolism, burning fat as a primary fuel instead of burning glucose, which it will have significant long-term complications if you don't change that. I believe it's one of the primary reasons when most people are taking second-dying prematurely developing all these diseases that really were unheard of like a century or two ago, or were very rare at the least. So you're saying that people's bodies constantly burning glucose for energy is causing lots of chronic disease. Why is that?

Well, it's primarily because the efficiency at which that fuel is burned. So carbohydrates have, when you eat food, it's converted to breakdown products that are essentially shuttled to your cell and then into your mitochondria. And once you have those breakdown products, they essentially transfer the electron, so the electron transfer chain, ultimately to oxygen, their process is called a robe of respiration through the crev cycle and it generates your energy or ATP. And when you do that as primarily substrate

from the glucose, you're going to generate 30 to 50% more reactive oxygen species as it shows the electron transfer and chain. And the downside of that, it's not that you don't need any reactive oxygen. So you need to suppress it to zero with antioxidants. But when you have excessive reactive oxygen species, you generate free radicals. And the free radicals with excessive free radicals will cause damage to mitochondrial and cellular DNA, proteins proteins and cell membranes.

And that is what causes the premature damage. So we want to normalize the amount of reactive oxygen species or oxidative species that we're exposed to. And diet is one, and there's a whole wide variety of other strategies that I discussed in my book, but diet is one of the most important. Now when you say that doc, if you, if I were to be following a low carb diet and I have a day where I eat over my, my typical intake, so let's say I stay under 50 or under 100 grams of carbohydrates per day, and then all of a sudden I have a day where I go overboard and I have two, three, 400 grams of carbs. Is there any benefit to taking a supplement

like an antioxidant on that day because of that from what you're saying right now? With the free radicals, is there any benefit? That's an interesting question. I have reflected it, but my guess is no. Maybe some is kind of like smoking. And when you say carbs, I'm assuming you're referring to net carbs, which is total carbs minus the fiber fiber because if you're reading 200 grams of broccoli, you know, the net cards

and that might be 20. Yeah, I know, Zach. So, it's really the net cards that cause the issue. I don't know. At least Tim Knokes, who is really a well-respected pioneer in this field, I'm sure you've heard of him. And I've interviewed him in the past, and he's in South Africa and then a physician there.

And he was a big time advocate of high-carb, he's a long endurance athlete, he's not a straight training athlete, but he firmly convinced that a hard day anyone meets him with 150, 200 grams of carbs of hydrogensign today. But the primary component of your question though is that if you're is making an assumption that you already are burning fat for fuel and you guys are pretty healthy or fit and so my guess is you you have that metabolic flexibility. So that when you at that level you know most people probably even

most people listen to your podcast or have a select ability but most people in the country don't with probably ninety percent more but so what you have a flexibility though you need to take those days now but you guys would be interested to know why you need to have those high card days and high-proaching yeah but no why would you like to know that's a little hardly any position

physicians don't understand this. And I didn't need it before I started writing my book and collaborating with about two dozen professionals, experts in the field, who helped me write the book. So it's not just my wacky ideas, and there's a collaboration of some really high-power self-care professionals. But one of these guys pulled up an article for me. We're in the 90s. This shows the mechanism of insulin.

And most people believe that insulin works by driving glucose into the cell. You guys probably believe that too, I would think. Right. We do. That's what you're told. That's what you're taught. But that's not the way that's not as primary mechanism. Primary mechanism is actually much different.

It really explains why you need to do cyclical ketogenesis. The mechanism is that it suppresses the liver's ability to make ucoose. Process called hepatic ucanogenesis. So when your insulin levels get really low as you do, when you do keto, which is a good thing for almost everyone in the country because their insulin resistance, high insulin levels, is the pain, is the really one of the primary reasons when both people die prematurely, high insulin resistance. But when you're in, if you over treat as you do it with your incrotocato and you have really high insulin levels, the insulin cannot shut the liver from making the stop or really significantly

in pariet from making glucose. So what does that mean? It means you're reading 5, 10 grams of net carbs, and your blood sugar is rising. But you're eating zero net carbs and your blood sugar rises because your brain and your nervous issue need sugar so your liver makes it. And the interesting irony is, or the paradox is that when you eat a piece of fruit or a healthy carb, your blood sugar will actually drop when you're in this metabolic state. Because it increases insulin, then insulin finally shuts off the liver from making glucose. And I actually found this out myself, I experienced it.

I was doing chronic keto. It was probably from six months. I was losing weight. My muscle mass was going down. It looked terrible. It looked like it was a starvation camp. So I needed a tweaking. I didn't understand what the tweaking was.

Because in theory, I was doing the right thing. But I didn't understand the fact that it has to be cyclical. And you need to stimulate. Once your ketosis, you need that to stimulate, ramp up that to stimulate, ramp up that insulin level and actually build muscle tissue, you know, increase edGF1 and PK and, you know, have that metabolic stimulus.

And the similar, that's the process for carbs and insulin, but a similar process occurs for protein and M-tore. So normally, almost everyone over reads protein and it's the rare person who needs more than 60 grams in one day. And if you continue to take high levels of protein, there's just little doubt in my mind that you're going to die prematurely. And I've known that for a while that was largely due to M-tore. But if you're getting high amounts of protein, especially from animal protein, Steven Gundry

who wrote the book Plant Paradox, which is just published, has some really interesting data in there that shows there's these types of sugars that are in meats that actually develops or stimulates this autoimmune reaction and that's when we eat large amounts of them. So there's, and it can cause a cardiovascular disease. So it's not that animal proteins are to be avoided, but excess animals, like excessive anything, can lead to some serious complications. So how often would you recommend someone go in and out of ketosis, a normal healthy individual? Well, it's based on your own circumstances. to see a normal healthy individual

it based on your own circumstances a general guideline about twice a week or baby three times and typically to be done in conjunction with the days that you're strength training you know i'm a just uh... man i mean i'm sure i have not seen you guys but i should show you guys are like it worked we're both in here we're buffing gorgeous. I'm a big spit I'm a big fan of that I don't

have large most messes is not because they don't want to I just you know I'm just haven't been able to do that but I'm a big proponent of strength training so those days what you're doing that is to really that's when you increase your carbs and your protein so that you can have that anabolic stimulus to support your muscle growth or increase muscle growth. Actually, have you talked about the blood flow restriction training yet? Yeah, we actually have a guide on BF. Maybe. Yeah, you got, I got to get that because that is like the hottest new thing now. I just, I just really learned about it recently.

I think the most of the Ben Greenfields podcast. Yeah, Ben's a good, but that thing is amazing. It's amazing. It was cool, but that everyone needs access. Extremely fascinating to all of us. We actually came across it maybe a year and a half, two years ago we wrote a guide not long after it because once we'd read up on it, then we all applied it ourselves and we're just extremely fascinated in the benefits.

Yeah, I mean, it's less beneficial for guys like you are already super kid, but the massive potential is for those who are injured or the elderly, you can get the benefits without having to kill themselves. That's what we saw. We saw that because I can't tell you how many people I've rehabbed from a knee surgery or a back surgery, an issue where I'm concerned about how much I'm loading, you know, an exercise where now the tie them off like that

with little to no weight and get some of the same benefits as if we were lifting twice as much or four times as much weight as just incredible. Yeah. That's a beautiful tool. Beautiful. And it needs to be a problem. Because hardly any people know about outside of the fitness community.

So I want to ask you a little bit more about the protein and you saying that when you say that the average person probably doesn't need even more than 60 grams, when you say that we're talking about overall health, correct? Like if you were, you know, if you're goal, obviously people have different goals. When I was referenced, made that comment as referencing people who are you seeking to have longevity and optimal health as their goal, and if you have a different goal and you want to be a bodybuilder or some other things, you're going to exchange it.

So you're going to exchange that goal for some of the health benefits. Because I think you're sacrificing it. You have long-term chronic protein excess. So you can do pulsing. But if you have continuous, your body needs a break. It's just you can't be slamming on the accelerator to continuously without having

Negative long-term consequences. You know, this is totally Anodotally speaking here, but it's this has been very fascinating for myself So I'm a body builder myself from an IFBV pro men's physique athlete I took the last two years off and I've been in two to eating and I just got back to tracking and during this time that I was in two to eating, I was grossly under eating protein. Now I still maintain a pretty healthy... What were those numbers? So I was getting down between 60 to 80 grams from I'm a 220 pound guy. Yeah, yeah, for that that would be you know I was referring to neuroplacial

virus. Some of the your weight size 80 grams would be the minimum because you have a lot more muscle men. Right, so I was down in that lower end where when I'm competing, I'm more like 200 to 220 grams of protein that I'm consuming. What was fascinating to me is I can already, and I've been back at it for about a week and a half now, and just by moving my protein up to about 150 to 180 grams a day,

especially on my weight training, I can see myself putting on muscle. I feel like my body is way more responsive to the protein than what it was before. And I come from an era too that, you know, I've been lifting for well over 15 years and in the industry for a long time. I mean, I used to be the guy that was trying to get two and a half, three grams of protein per pound and was just way, way over consuming it because back then, and we talk about this on the show all the time that, you know, you know, as long as you've been around that, you know, protein is the macro. If you want to be a big body builder, you got to eat lots of protein. So that was a major paradigm shattering moment

for me was realizing that I didn't need that much, and in fact, I can feel how much better my body feels that I went really low, and then now reintroducing a more moderate to higher level of protein. I feel like it's way more responsive than being oversatchered. Can you explain maybe what I'm feeling or what I'm going through? Is there a protein desensitizing effect from constantly consuming war? Well, we don't, I've started, I'm aware of the studies have been done, but I'm pretty confident that there is, and the analogy would be very similar to insulin. So if you have lots of carbs all the time and we see that all day here, I mean, Karada,

I mean, two thirds of the country has diabetes or pre-divase, right? So that's what happens. You get insulin resistance, you get secondary diabetes and all the pathology, if all. Similarly, if you high amounts of protein, which I personally asked, does Ron Roseale, one of my nutritional mentors, believes that excess protein is probably more dangerous than excess carbs? Wow. Because not only will it not only impact insulin additionally, which is also another potentially detrimental

metabolic pathway, but it will impact the M-tore. M-tore is a nutrient signaling pathway. Unfortunately, we don't have the ability to measure, we can measure IGF as a downstream consequence of that. So you don't want elevated IGF levels on it, but you develop a sense of relative physiological resistance, which I think is what you experience when you cut the protein down. what elevated IGF was all that but you develop a sense of relative physiological resistance which I think is what you experienced when you cut the protein down the M2R became more sensitive. So you had the I suspect you were developing M4 resistance. Even though that

term is not that doesn't exist that's what I that's what I would call it. And you you anecdotally observed the benefit. It's exactly what you would predict. Now, I've experienced exactly the same thing. And in fact, for the last few years, I incorporate a low protein day, almost like a protein fast every once in a while. At sometimes once a week, where I'll just eat vegetables, some fats,

and I'll eat very, very little protein once a week. And I notice when I do that, and this is my own anecdote, but I seem to build more muscle with my regular protein and take the day after. Sure. Now, that's again what you would predict. And there's, you know, that brings another strategy you can use to improve your mitochondria function, which is intermittent or even longer term fasting which which I believe that we all design do but hardly

anyone does nowadays certainly on the seventy percent of people overweight need to consider consider that strategy I mean it saves them money is not like you have to help them to buy a supplement you know right don't eat that's uh... so we were also, we wrote a, we wrote a fasting guide that has six, six different protocols inside of it. So that was another thing that was a paradigm shattering moment for a bunch of body builder muscle guys like ourselves

that, that saw the benefit of incorporating fasting. Cause if you would have told me that 10 years ago as a 20 year old skinny kid trying to build muscle, I would have thought you're crazy. There's no way I'm going to not eat for a day. I'll have all this muscle fall off my body. Yeah, yeah. Well, but if you were an authentically skinny kid to do that for a long time, it's not going

to work either. You do need exercising, you get the protein and the carbs up periodically because you know chronically it won't work. You've got to have that psyche in again. That's what it is. The psyche is so essential to the staying healthy. And in fact, exercise is a metabolic stress, right? Clearly, there's no question.

You cause damage to your body when you exercise. When is the benefit occur? It occurs in recovery, right? So if you exercise continuously, are you going to get stronger and healthier? No, you're going to get yourself into a hole and you'll get injured and decrease your health. The magic occurs and recovery.

Similarly, the magic occurs in the reefy. When you go into this fasting or ketogenic cycle, low carb, low protein, that's like exercise. It's a metabolic stress. It definitely is relatively unhealthy, but when you recover and you have the higher cards and higher protein, that's where the metabolic magic occurs and you get all the benefits which you guys are seeing anecdotally.

On the refeed, that's where the magic happens. But you don't get that benefit if you haven't done the stressor before. So it's like trying to be in recovery continuously. You'll never get big, or you've got to get that stressor in the exercise. Now, in our world, it's also been advocated to eat very, very frequently throughout the day, and the rationale was, you burn more body fat if you eat six meals a day versus three or two. It's better for you. I've read articles that actually show the opposite, in fact, show that there may be an inflammatory

response to eating super frequently. Is this something you've looked into yourself? Well, I think it might be targeted to a specific nutrient protein. If you had a lot of protein regularly, I think it's going to be a problem. But I think as long as you're restricting your intake of calories to a window, I think ideally is like about six hours, so I personally try to only eat within a six-hour window. And so then it doesn't matter. I could be eating five, six meals in a six hours, once every hour, but I'm not eating for, you know, 18 hours. Oh, I see. Now you had brought up cancer

and how cancer is looking to be the probably leading cause of death. And the old model, the current model, says that a lot of cancer is genetic. A lot of it has to do with our genes and mutations. That's the belief of conventional physicians and oncologists, that's correct. Right. And you? It's true, but that's a belief

well why isn't it true because you i've heard of there's a the the metabolic reasoning behind cancer and and cause the cancer i i didn't figure this out i mean there's brilliant people before me specifically c free tom cp of the professor of biology of bossing college who work at metabolic theory cancer and uh... he can go into great detail why that is, but essentially there is genetic damage. There's no question.

There's a wide panopathy of incredible diversity of genetic mutations that occur. None of them are really consistent, but they're not a result. That's not what causes the cancer directly. They're an indirect consequence of mitochondrial dysfunction. Metabolic mitochondrial dysfunction. And that causes downstream secondary nuclear genetic damage and mutations. So that's what causes it. So if you go in, in fact, Seifried has done some really fascinating work where he compiled

a lot of the early research. I don't think he did the research themselves, the compiled of stuff that was done 20, 30 years ago. And that research had no idea how to interpret these findings, but they would take the mitochondria from a cancer cell and put them into a normal cell and a cell that's out would develop cancer. And they would take the mitochondria from a normal cell and put them into a cancer cell and the cancer would just go away. Well, you know, it's it. And it was a wide variety of researches that he could pilot and publish a paper on it.

And to me, that was pretty clear evidence that it was the mitochondria that's the key here. It's not the genetics. And we're seeing incredible recoveries from people who are following these strategies and protocols. We're just beginning because it's just literally a handful of researchers are using these clinically and there's probably less than 1,000 a thousand two thousand patients who have been applied a minute maybe a little bit more but not much. And they're having incredible remissions. So we're on the we're at the beginning of a radical transformation where we're in treat cancer. What are some of the best things that we can do to prevent cancer for ourselves. I mean, maybe you could start with diet,

which I, I, I, I mean, I'm sure diet probably plays the biggest role. And then maybe talk about some of the other causes. Yeah. With diet, you know, it's that M-tor, again, the mechanism target of rapamycin. Rapamycin, what is it? It's a cancer drug.

It was discovered from the Island of Raponui, that's what it's named after. And one of the most effective cancer drugs actually, and how does it work? It suppresses amtor. So, but works even better than rapamycin? Not having a lot of protein. Oh, wow.

So, yeah. So, if you want to suppress cancer, because when amtor is activated, it suppresses a metabolic process called autophagy, which means self-destruction, it is removal of all the senescent damaged cells that have to be taken out. They can't be when MTOR is activated, or they can't be effectively. So you want to keep MTOR in balance.

It's like you want to have, you want to have really good insulin sensitivity, do not want insulin resistance, you don't want essentially MTOR resistance like you want to have you want to have really good insulin sensitivity do not want to resist and she don't want essentially m-tore resistance you want it to be sensitive so that's a key thing but there's a whole variety of other strategies talk to them so important your exposure so many things like we want to get a guy to stay away from life estate and round up uh... and uh... and uh... you know for it in the water supply that about poison so

it went into clean water and lead and cesium and phthalium. There's all these differences. So, good detox program is helpful. And then EMF radiation or non-native EMF radiation, which is essentially artificial. So our cell phones are Wi-Fi. You know, our cell phone towers are too huge or just variables that we need to take control over. I mean, I am talking to you on a phone, I am holding my phone literally three feet away from my body because I purchased a micro-way meter and that's the radiation that comes out of your cell phone. It's usually in a few hundred megahertz to a gigahertz range. And you can actually measure it digitally, not hard to do. You can see that the radiation when you hold the phone is like hundreds.

And I literally mean hundreds. This is not an hyperbole or gross exaggeration. Hundreds of times higher at the phone when you're calling it, then it is two feet away from you. So holding the phone to your head in assurance that it is two feet away from you so holding the phone your head in the sure it's that you are going to rapidly decrease your longevity that makes me feel so good now that i don't i never answer my phone that should keep the only i only text people so that makes me feel so much better now

see now you know i saw it yeah we don't you still you still hold the phone that when it's when it's connecting with the self-help talk and it's not you know the phone talk. The worst thing to do is put next to your head. It's even worse for kids because their skull is so much thinner and their brain has more water, so it's more susceptible to this damage. But what happens is that there's a resonance that occurs and these microwaves cause the production of something a reactive nitrogen species called perioxyanitrate. And that causes the production of hydroxyl free radicals,

which again causes the whole mitochondrial dysfunction, which can lead to the cancer. So it's not just cancer where you're holding the phone next to you. And there's certainly it happens, people who put them in their pit pocket, or a lot of women get breast cancer and they put into bra, or obviously people hold into their head, but it has a systemic effect, too.

It can definitely damage you systemically, so that's one of the key things that is so easy to control. There's a key way for them, cell phone turn off your Wi-Fi at night. I mean, how simple can it be? And I actually sleep in a EMF canopy that is some sheer draper like fabric that's composed of cotton, silver and copper threads that essentially it's a ferritate cage. You know what the microwave radiation I measure in there is when I go to sleep at night, it's 0.0. I measure in there is when I go to sleep at night. What is it? It's zero zero point zero

Or a nation comes through that's like Ben Greenfield now Ben Greenfield's house is built this. I know That's probably why you guys like each other Well, you know actually wrote Ben this morning. He's got that aura ring And he thinks that he puts an airplane morning safe and actually just measured it last night in those days like a it's like a hundred actually it's like a hundred it actually is like one to two microwatts per square centimeter and normal is like 0.03 so it's like 3040 times higher than ambient. Oh wow. So you don't know until you measure.

You just don't know so you didn't get these meters they're not too expensive a few hundred bucks. You can find one in Amazon and you can get them. Where do you find the best. This is a microwave meter. The best one I've seen is called the TES593. And you just look it up on Google shopping. And they're about 350.

So the Amazon doesn't sell it. I don't know why, but they don't. So because normally, silly retail is like 500, but you can get it for 350. Now question. And the unit you want to use is micro watts per square centimeter, which is like the fourth unit that they do. It's a standard that's done in the US.

Now, obviously, nowadays, Wi-Fi and cell phones are everywhere. You think we're gonna see a lot of increased rates of cancers as a result of that, especially in children? Well, I think you're gonna see a whole wide variety of things. I mean, certainly autism could be one on the other end, so you have neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and they all have some Parkinson's. So yeah, you're gonna see this just generalize increase in all these chronic degenerative diseases. So yeah, it's like smoking, you know,

it's not one exposure that's gonna get you as chronic decades long exposure that's gonna cause consequences. And what can people do to protect themselves? Well, put your phone in your body, but it's an airplane mode. That's for sure. Airplane mode pretty much cuts off most of the concern.

Turn off your Wi-Fi at night. It would be another key thing. And Yeah, I mean, that's just the issues that were radically reduced. What about these cases that they sell for? what about these cases that they sell for, what about these cases that they sell for? No, they don't work, they don't work as far as I can tell.

They may have some biological benefit in the way that the radiation reacts with your body, but you can get this meter and measure it yourself. I was just, uh, purchase something, one of my, someone on my forum, uh, earlier last week, uh, that this, uh, material, it's like a meteorite, a crashed in Russia called Schungite, always supposed to absorb these EMFs and they even had a video showing how they held this meter up to the microwave and they reduced it and I said, what's up, press this order, didn't work at all. So you don't have to trust anyone, you know, because you can measure it yourself.

Right. You know, just figure it out. Now, earlier you had mentioned glyphosate, which are the herbicides that are sprayed on GMO foods. Why, what are some of the reasons people should eat organic in a GMO? Even non-GMO foods, like like wheat which is not GMO but it's typically sprayed with glyphosate around up to as a desiccant to kill it so it's easier

to harvest. But organic typically avoids most of those and they, not always because there's these large corporations. They always figure out the loopholes and ways to game the system. So, you know, they could still be organic and get away with it and that's the ideally grown. But, you know, in ideal circumstances, I think Baud dynamic is better, the Demeter certification, which actually, it was based on root of styles, where standards work. But when you have food that's ideally grown, it's more nutrient dense. It has the minerals in there in the way it's formed, and it's going to be healthier for

you. But even healthy food, if you guys heard of Stephen Gundry, G-M-D-R-Y? No. Even M-D, you wrote the book, The Plant Paradox? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. Ben's going to interview him soon. I'm going to interview him in the fall, I think.

But really interesting components. So the lot of healthy foods that we think are healthy, like certain vegetables like cucumbers or night chasing tomatoes have these lectins in there these proteins which impair your biology and if you consume them in large quantities even though they see it here be healthy and a whole grain from the almost all the grains and beans you know that is lectins that can really sabotage your health so yeah I think that's really another important strategy that I wasn't particularly aware of when I wrote the book but if I had a probably would it integrate a great my book and for sure

now what's the problem with uh... non-organic foods with glyphosate what do they do the body that's so bad all gosh that's a good question they do a lot of things there for first of all they're keylators and their antibiotics uh... and so that would mean they they it on portmarylis,

zinc and manganese. And then they can destroy your, or it's an extra but impair your beneficial bacteria and your gut. But I think probably one of the worst things they do is they decimate these tight junctions in the gut epithelial cells. So that that barrier in your gut is really only one cell thick. It's pretty vulnerable to damage. And it's pretty easy to damage it. And glyphosate does a tremendous job of doing that. So essentially it punches holes in the connections,

and you have what's called leaky gut, so that these hole-undigested protein fragments and other things can enter in and wreck immune damage and metabolic insult. So it can contribute to autoimmune diseases. So it's definitely something you want to limit. And fortunately you can measure it even if you think you're eating healthy. You guys, on our site, we have a test that you can measure to life in your year and actually in your water too.

You can find out if there's any in there. So ideally it should be non-detectable. But overall Americans have levels that are, I think almost 10 times that we find in Europe. Where bifurcate isn't banned, but it's labeled, and because it's labeled, people don't buy it this much. In fact, I've, now this is anecdote, but this is including myself and many of my clients who were intolerant to gluten or wheat products here in the U.S. would go to Europe, and all of a sudden, they could eat pasta and bread and not have the same symptoms.

Is that has something to do with it? It's actually maybe a part, but there's a there's a electin in wheat called WGA, wheat, German, gluten, and that is probably likely responsible for most of that along with gluten too, but the breads in Europe are typically made by fermenting them with yeast. And the yeast will digest those lectins. And that's probably the primary reason where it's not done typically in the United States. Oh, is that why sourdough bread is easier for me to eat than regular bread? Yes, that's one of the reasons. If it's true sourdough, there's a lot of

fake sourdough breads out there. So you have to be careful just to get the zest sourdough. It doesn't mean it is. I mean, it's one of those, there's so many terms in food that are just absolute lies. And there's no federal regulatory actions to enforce manipulation or deception of those terms. So natural is a common classic one, but even some of these things like Parmesan cheese

and the book is a book, Real Food Fake Food that goes into great detail in this written by Larry Olmsted. Well, you know, it's not that you're saying that. It brings up an interesting question for me. Do you think that we should have more federal regulations, or do you think that they don't really matter well i'm not a big fan of the federal government and he wish a platform you know uh... but they do

perform some valuable functions in one of the protected public that's really one of the few valid uses at least as i understand you know libertarian philosophy, is to protect the public. One of those could be making sure that they're not corrupted by these corporate influences and essentially rig the system and all the federal agencies that essentially make them useless and actually even worse than useless, they're manipulative because they're deceptive. And it's just extraordinary. It seems that the longer a country exists, the more

likely it is to be corrupted, and certainly has its fair share of corruption. Well, it's awful. It's a trick or a death. From my point of view, it's almost like we've already seen how easily influenced they are by special interests, and then what they do is they make regulations that benefit the special interests and knock out other competition all at our expense. Absolutely. And so when I hear people calling for more regulation, it's almost like, why? They're just going to feed the machine a little more and we're going to continue to get

missing form. Also, only we do need the regulation, but we need a proper type of regulation that's subjective and non-biased and not corrupted by these outside and corporate controls or influences. And that did exist at some times. The FDA used to be a decent agency. Especially when Wally first was ahead of it in the early 1900s. And then they got to lit them out. So they've done some good things. They're totally corrupted now. nineteen hundred and then they got to lit them out so they've done some good things they just

been they're totally corrupted now now i want it i want to talk i want to touch the third rail here with you something that's extremely controversial uh... over the last you know few years uh... and that's vaccines now from an objective point of view it's hard to argue that the invention of vaccines isn't one of the greatest inventions of Western medicine.

However, you, some people sound like that. Actually, I can go further. The CDC classified it as the greatest public, no, the Zavisport, no, was fordation, but I'm sure they would put vaccinations as one of the best public health benefits of humankind. I have had people tell me because I told some people, hey, you know, I am going to be interviewing Dr. Marcola and I have had some of them say, well, he is anti-vaccine. Is that accurate or what would be more accurate description of your positions? I am pro-vaccine safety.

Okay. So explain it. positions. I'm pro vaccine safety. Okay. So, explain it. And you just have to look at the reality. You have Janet Gerberting. You know she was, she's a physician. Okay. Dr. Janet Gerberting.

She was the head of the CDC for seven years in early 2000s. Okay. Do you know what her position is now? No. She's the head of Merck Vaccines, the largest vaccine production company in the world. So, you've got the same damn thing going on with the drug companies and the federal regulatory agencies and the CDC and the CDC and now she's the head of Merck's vaccine. But does that make a lot of sense? Does that seem like it might be a

little bit of conflict of interest there? Yes. Wow. So that's just one examination and I would challenge your initial supposition, which I think is flawed. And I can recommend lots of good materials that you can read that provide the documentation to support that. Susan Humphries, her first book, which escapes the title of it to this case, if it just type it in there.

And you could look on my site. I've interviewed a few times. OK. Susan Humphries, she's an MD and a frologist. One of the few physicians who actually have integrity because most physicians go in and we know it's well-intentioned and they learn all this stuff and they get brainwashed. And then, a large percentage of them find out the truth because if they're honest and they question things they will they will know the truth because there's smart people when you get to med school that's

the top of the top that they they they selected this these guys are bright but then they become complacent or are fearful of being ostracized by their colleagues and they're just afraid of implementing what they find out. And Suzanne was not one of those. She was an epidemiophrologist and found that most of her patients were in stage renal patients in the hospital setting and they mandated this policy where they had the vaccine and she noticed it was, I mean, it was like prematurely killing her patients are causing very serious damage I forget the specifics but she shares the that story on my site and then she just had the courage to go up against them

and essentially wound up having the quitter job and a lot of these people to do especially in the GMO industry is find the same thing because the uh... the industry primarily manto, funds almost all the agricultural universities. So, they fund all the research. So if you go up against them and try to publish something which is hard to do anyway because you can't even get the raw material that glyphosate, unless you have Monsanto's consent and they're

not going to consent to a study that they have potentially challenged their position. So, the whole system is rigged. And eventually people who do question the truth are ostracized and discredited is where we opened up the conversation. So because of these four resources are directed to discredit them. But anyway, Suzanne then took off and she had a very, like most subspecialist and interim message, she had a very, you know, like most subspecialists in

Interom lessons, she had a very lucrative career making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, essentially going down and making less than a bus driver now. And just writing these books. So and she goes through the whole specific history. The big ones are polio and smallpox that you would think were primarily a benefit of the results of implementing large wire-wice-bred vaccine programs. In fact, when you look at it carefully, it just isn't the case. And this is so well documented.

But this occurred well over 100 years ago. I think, I don't remember specifically, I was in the 1800s for sure. Late 1800s was when a lot of the campaigns started, but there were a whole town who were vaccinated that while getting decimated with smallpox and towns that weren't, that didn't. So it has far more to do with the health of your immune system and in following these healthy practices, which were challenged when many of these, especially around the time of smallpox, people did not have healthy lifestyle,

not by choice, it's just because they lived in these large, urban, densely popular areas in filthy situations, poor hygiene, poor overcrowding, really poor ventilation, exposure to all these microbes, not having access to sunlight. So there was a lot of things going against, poor nutrition. So when you're in that type of environment, you're more susceptible, you have an impaired immune system, and you're going to get these infections.

And then when they introduce the many of these vaccines, what they fail to do, and actually a really good book on this, is another one I would totally encourage you to get. It's Neil Miller, and he reviews 400 scientific studies, a few of which he published, that questioned this whole vaccine efficacy issue. I mean, it'll just open your mind and blow your mind and open your eyes to the truth that's going on here. So it's a big issue. And one of the central issues, of course, is freedom. They're seeking to have everyone do this and absolutely discounting the fact that there's no potential side effects. mean they admit that the side effects there's that

there's a whole program that's actually paid out billions of dollar or dollars to families who've had children either killed or seriously injured from these vaccines so there's sacrifice that it's that the greater good is is there their mantra and

you know i'm i'm not you know you can make a i mean that we know who had that greater good mantra to you know that's a germany well uh... but you know it's that it's the same pop is the same type of policy they said and it's just it's a limited understanding of the big picture and and it especially when it's corrupted by corporate influence now what do you say when when we have examples of countries where

they don't have a vaccine policy and they've got things like measles and uh... you know and whooping cough and then we go in and we implement a vaccine policy and then within a relatively short period of time uh... they no longer have those diseases i i i'm not familiar with those studies that i have to see it and he's out

the details most of those studies are funded by the drug company so uh... you know they're big they know what the answer is for the studies even it started uh... but i could tell you with it with measles is really clear i mean it's usually related to vitamin a deficiency so you can many of these third world countries in africa they're dying from measles. Well, what did they, they didn't need a damn vaccine. They just needed some vitamin A. Their immune system kicks up. It's ultimately your immune system. You have to understand, too, when you're giving some, there's two parts of your

immune system. You ask what one of the reasons that we have an increase in cancer? Well, actually, the vaccinations. Why? Because there's two parts you just cellular and there's human immunity. And what they use with vaccines is humanity, the B cells. So you increase antibodies. That's how you measure their effectiveness. That's how you know if you need them to get another shot at us. You would your passive antibodies out there.

But those are passive antibodies. There's nothing to do. It bypasses the cellular immune system, your T cell system. And we have this imbalance between T cells and B cells that is a massive risk factor for cancer. And you're going to get, you're exposed to this infection normally through the way typically we would require infection. Like I had measles when I was a child. I don't know if any of you guys did. But I had it. My siblings had measles. We have lifelong permanent immunity because both our T-cells and our B-cells were stimulated concurrently and that provides permanent immunity. And when you don't, when you get this passive immunity,

yeah, it makes it press it somewhat, but then you're going to catalyze the development of resistance strains and mutated strains because these fires is what it will live. They want to thrive. And then you're actually going to make things worse. It's exactly what happened in Disney World a few years ago, which was literally responsible for removing the philosophical exemption in California, which was a massive loss. Fortunately, that was the only state they were successful they tried to do it fifteen other states in the lost because nvac was able to rally up the troops and you know

object to this because you know they're just basically abrogated their freedom of choice and they're there still right would you mind telling our audience what happened in disney and we're indiz and i don't quite remember that i know there was an outbreak but what was the deal that happened that's it forget the specific details on it. It was in March two years ago. Maybe it was in February. That there was this relatively small outbreak of measles, and they

attributed it to a lack of vaccination. And actually, when they went into further detail, they found out that the most of the people who developed in the use of actually vaccinated you know so they didn't even have that facts right and they use that leverage this massive uh... effort to remove that those are the junction exemption in California now do you

do you think all vaccines are created equal? In other words, are there some that you... Oh, there are some that should not be on at all. After given, the truth I can think of would be hepatitis B vaccine. Given for most infants on the day one, the day they're born, and do you know how you can hepatitis B? Sex? That's one. That's correct.

What's the other primary way? I don't know. Blood. Blood. You are correct. So an IV drug abuse, right? So IV drugs or sex? So assuming... I have another... Yeah, I run out of giving you two... Epititis B carrier. The only risk to that infant for getting hepatitis b is i've been drugs or sex yet is given on day one when they're most susceptible to harm damage recessing no

fucking rationalization or justification to ever give that child that vaccine not zero and i can't tell you how many kids are damaged i mean it just makes me live it

that they can get away with the shit well uh... and then secondly would be h pv x and the can't and i can't serve x and right yeah so that is it that that how do you get h p d sex right

so maybe i'll more rational strategy would be to protect yourself or have partners that, you know, you can trust or have them tested before you have sex with them. I mean, it's simple. It's not like we don't have a solution for this already. But no, let's give everyone this vaccine, which, I mean, if you want to bring yourself to tears, just go on to be inside type hpd vaccine injuries

and and see the lies of these young women primarily that are destroyed absolutely destroyed and getting this vaccine just unequivocally and you'll just go to tears you know you know the justification is so that you can have people have liberal facts when they have other rational strategies that are relatively easy to implement you know these are not rocket science approaches strategies

no given the vaccine give everyone the vaccine you force everyone to have the vaccine they give boys the HPV vaccine in, my son went for his checkup and without really even telling us they gave him HPV vaccine. They gave it to him, right. Fortunately, your son is probably healthy because he's your son and he's doing a lot of things right. So, you know, he can survive that assault, but a lot of these kids are not. They fall into the whole trap. They're eating the wrong foods, they're not exercising,

they're being exposed to all these pernicious toxins, they're on the Wi-Fi and cell phones, they're looking at blue light at night, so they're susceptible and they're going to, and these are the kids' lives who are trashed, if not killed. Now, which vaccines would you say you would recommend them which ones are okay to get? Well, you know, that's a decision you have to make yourself I'm a Her vaccine safety and choice that everyone should have the freedom to make that decision Okay, and I think it's reprehensible that a parent doesn't do their due diligence because obviously their child can't do that.

It's certain newborn child. The parent is the parent's responsibility. So it's a serious responsibility that most parents don't appreciate. And it's understandable because there's all these pressures from respectable health authorities, public health authorities, and their physician that tell them, this is okay, do it, you know, and they don't take the time to research and who has the time to do it anyway. But I would say to research it, get Dr. Miller, or not Dr. Miller, but Neil Miller's book, Suzanne Huffrey's book, and then look at the other side and make your decision based on you evaluate the evidence, doing your research at home work. You may conclude it's okay, you may conclude that, well, maybe I want to give it to him a little later,

and maybe just give them one at a time instead may conclude that, well, maybe I'm going to give it to him a little later and maybe just give them one at a time instead of giving them like 15 at once. You know, maybe it makes more sense to do that. So ultimately, it's your responsibility to do that homework, not to listen to me or anyone else. You know, why trust me? Why trust any more than the public health authorities

or your pediatrician? You know, but you do the homework that thankfully this is the twenty first century this is not the twentyth century you have the tools that your fingertips when i first was on the internet i was paying like five dollars a minute to get just a search pub met in the in the eighties and you know you can go to library self into which is even more more challenging but you know it was really hard to find this information.

Now, it's easy. It is incredibly easy. All things little time, effort, and dedication to do it. So, do your own homework. You know, it took us a minute or two to get you warmed up, but this is what I was looking for. I want to know what else out there right now just makes your skin crawl with the information that we're giving out there or the shit that we're pushing that people have no idea about that you're trying to stand up and

speak out against that just drives you crazy. What else? Well, you can really get tied up with vaccine. So I tend to talk about it too much and I support Barbara Lofisher of National Vaccine Information Center who's been doing this for 35 years. She's a co-founder and really is a very articulate spokesperson and incredibly active. She has been editing every one of our vaccine articles for the last 10 years or so. So we make sure that we don't have any incorrect information out there. No one can throw anything else and say this is incorrect. So our site is a great source, but I mean, they're, you look at others too. There are many of them out there who cover both sides of the issue, but, you know, I sorry, I support that.

I'm philosophically opposed to vaccines for myself and my family. That's the decision that I made based on my evaluation of the evidence, but I'm not opposed to anyone else looking at the same evidence and making a different decision. That's at a day's shit. That's their choice, their responsibility. Looking at the horizon, what are some subjects you see popping up that are going to, you know, that you're going to look into more or maybe when I start to talk about a little bit that people just don't know about.

Well, the EMF I alluded to earlier is massive. I mean, I've known about it for a long time, but I've never really fully appreciated the dangers until I got this meter and said, oh my gosh, I had no idea. So maybe pick up a meter if you've got a few hundred extra dollars to spare and we need the motivation to physically see it. I've done a video on my site that demonstrates it. But, you know, again, do your own homework, figure it out yourself. You know, you just, you know, pockets like these are just tools to help you understand better so that you can get different

perspectives. So EMF is huge. So, and then you've got electromagnetic interference, which is dirty electricity, which is a result of improper grounding from the electrical substations and increase these high fields in your home, the affected circuits that can cause problems too. I just interviewed actually, was on my Sunday, Sam Millham, Dr. Sam Millham, 85 years old, and he's still pretty sharp, which is really great. And he's an MD epidemiologist and wrote a book that booked their de-electricity, so that's something to consider that we're going to be looking into more. And I like this plant lectins with the plant paradox.

I think it's a simple strategy to plant. I didn't have to change a lot of foods in my diet. I was just basically, of limited cucumbers and chia seeds because those were plant-like then sources. But the most of the other plants I was eating, I was eating were like and free. Now I'm gonna be honest, hearing a lot of this information, it's like, oh my gosh, everything's gonna kill me.

And it almost, I've had people tell me this, like I'll bring these things up, maybe not necessarily what you're talking about, but other things, and people will tell them, they're just almost like you're just like, well, you know what, forget it because it looks like everything in these things. They feel overwhelmed.

So you just fight off what you can at one time, so you do keto first, you get your diet right, then you take the next step, maybe consider detox, so you consider turning up your Wi-Fi at night. Now, why would you need to keep your Wi-Fi on that long? Doesn't make any sense. Doesn't cost you anything. Maybe you can get a little switch.

So radio control switch so that you can turn it off at your bedside, just with one little button. And then get a selfie stick. Maybe look a little foolish, but you're not holding it. I mean, there's simple things. So plant lectins is a refinement but you know you don't have to go there if you're having problems and think considered if you you know i wrote the book that for people who are dying from cancer there are sixteen hundred

people one thousand six hundred people who will die two day in the united states from cancer and that died yesterday and it will die two days in the United States from cancer and that died yesterday and that will die tomorrow. That's a lot of people. And half of the men listening to this and 40% of the women will come down with cancer that could kill them.

And we're not talking about the nine skin cancers. We're talking about the real deal cancer, the big C that's going to be the number one cause of death in 2020. All right. So that's why this book was written. You know, either who's your listeners or someone they know or love is going to face this thing, it's guaranteed 100%. So that's why the book was written.

So if you have a serious disease, you want to go in there with blogs, you want to go there and prepare it, right? You want to give them all the tools and the resources they can have to beat this thing because you can mhm and i can guarantee you it's not going to be the cancer drugs you know people don't know when you have cancer drugs the oncologist

they i get like this the only some specialty in medicine that it's legal for them to sell the very drugs they're recommending. And cancer drugs, as you know, are not cheap. There might be a $100,000 per patient, right? And the cancer doctor gets half of that.

Wow. So what is his motivation or incentive to consider recommending diet as opposed to chemotherapy? Wow. That's... So, Doc, you have to okay, real fine, because because there's so many people that have been touched by cancer, there's probably somebody listening that has it,

there's probably someone for sure that's listening that has a family member that's close to them, the Jessica diagnosed with it. Absolutely. That's why I said it. What would you, what would you like, what's the first, like what are the steps that you would say, if it was you or somebody close to you,

what are, what are, in what order order and what are you telling them right away? That's just practical. I think the most well there's two steps. One is to get fat for fuel and read it carefully. Read it carefully. You know, books are, you know, the probably one of the best investments you can get, you know, for under $20, you can get a book that's taken some professional thousands of hours put together right and make it really easy for you. So it's all there. I get that book and then you

can go to my site and look up cancer and we have interviewed a lot of physicians and there's links to other resources, that clinics because you need a coach, you don't want to do this by yourself. You want to ultimately, and many of these things don't even know how to implement sickle-of-a-kid agendas. But you can do it just by getting the book. But get some health care professional who's open to this that can guide you through the process, that can work through it. Because there's other things other than diet

that be useful. There are a lot of things, like high dose vitamin C, which in high doses generates peroxide, which actually kills these crippled cancer cells from the ketogenic therapy. There's things that after seafrace we're going to like glucamine inhibitors because people don't really think cancer is just fed by glucose and that's not true at all. That's why you get cancer, get kexia because when your glucose levels go low, the cancer sends out signals to break down your muscle and liberate glutamine because it can anaerobically

ferment glutamine as easily as glucose. So glutamine inhibitors are a big thing. Hyperbaric oxygen, glycolytic inhibitors. So, you know, these are other strategies that you can use. And there's a lot of other ones, enzymes, a whole variety of them. But the more things you hit it with, the more likely you are going to be successful. So, die by itself can work, especially in the early stages. But it's not something I would recommend exclusively.

I would recommend seeing a professional that can guide the term. There's a book called Best Answers for Cancer. It goes into a lot of other resources too. Yes, conferences you can go to. I've also seen a lot of research on fasting and how effective it can be for cancer. Well, but if you're a ca- if you're ca- ca- ca- that may be counterproductive. Oh, sure. It's going to be really careful. You know, that you have to be- that's what you need to see someone knows what they're doing. Now, many people initially diagnosed, they're going to be obese probably, or at least overweight.

So, that's not going to be an issue, but in the later stages of cancer, it is. Hmm, very, very good point. Have you seen some of the research on cannabinoids in cancer? Oh, yeah, that's another one. I just forgot. Yeah, cannabinoids are great. I would definitely use cannabinoids, you know, medical marijuana. It's legal in a large number of states, and I don't know if it's the majority, but it's forgot that can have a great i would definitely use use cannibalized no you know medical marijuana legal and

uh... a large number of states and i know that the majority that it certainly is a large number at this point it's getting there do you uh... do you recommend the use of cannabinoids for for health or longevity oh yeah i mean i wish to hell was legal on the net a whole other corrupt corrupted influence but uh... from the the industries but I would grow it and juice it every day. No question, but I can't because it's not legal or I live. So,

but yeah, it would be great. I mean, there's even, we just posted, say, last week, where slow doses of THC are starting to reverse Alzheimer's. They'd least in animal studies. Wow. That's great. It didn't, it didn't, it didn't in healthy populations or healthy younger animals didn't seem to have a benefit, but when older, demented animals, I mean, they got tremendous improvements with DCHC. And not necessarily levels that had a psychological effect, I mean, it could be subteraputive, but it did, just, in any of these receptors, it caused this improvement in the cognitive function. Yeah, I did see those studies. It was like micro dosing THC on a consistent basis, and

it was able to remove the emaloid plaque that caused a problem. Yeah, from the basics. It's a natural plant. I mean, if you follow ancient ancestral practices, the lifestyles that are ancient ancestors typically were exposed to, and that includes things like moving heavy objects on a regular basis, then you're likely to stimulate the pathways that are responsible for health, and then when you do that, disease just disappears. You can't have disease and health at the same time. You get one of the other. Oh, that's a great statement, right? That's a great statement.

You're gonna use that. It's tough for some people to hear because I guarantee there's some listeners that are gonna say, oh, I had a friend that looked very healthy, very fit, exercise all the time, and then they got cancer, I don't know where. Oh, absolutely, but that's a superficial parents. They were not metabolically healthy, and there's very specific tests that you can do.

A simple one is like high sensitivity CRP. You see reactive protein. You know, see how much inflammation is your body? Because when you're on a keto, keto ketones are H-TAC inhibitors. He's done deacetylase inhibitors, which are radical suppressors of inflammation. So, you know, I'm sure you guys you had your test but you want to see it like below one and ideally below point five and many people are two three four seven levels you know i do notice when i when i'm in ketosis my inflammation is just

in my joints is definitely low and i don't get sore for my workouts yeah i do in eight carbohydrates i'll give you guys I'll give you guys, since you guys are fitness, I'll give you guys another hint, is infrared radiation and red. So red is about 660 nanometers infrared, about 830 ideally, but 850 would work. And what did they do? These are, there's chromosomes in your mitochondria that hearts of the electron transport chain,

the cycromescy oxidase, that resonates with this frequency. in your mitochondria, the hearts of the electron transport chain that is said from COxidase, that resonates with the frequency. When you expose it to them, it takes that energy, sucks it up, and it makes the mitochondria work more efficiently. So what the hell does that mean? It means that you can improve your mitochondria or ATP generation just by exposing yourself to that, and especially for athletic recovery. I'm sure each of you you guys knows work out that you can do that you are guaranteed a hundred percent to that you're gonna be sore cell next day you may not even be able to sit now without paying right

that assistance yet well tried to do that work out and then hit yourself some eight hundred fifty nanometer infrared near infrared wavelengths and you won't have any soreness it's just gone i've done like i'll do i'll do walking under 70 pounds, you know, the guarantee to make me not be able to sit down, you know, squat down at all without,

you've seen some rails, right? And I hit it with the light and there's nothing. No, where do you get this, where do you get this light from? Well, what about like an infrared saw? That's a good thing, right now, is the infrared saw? No, no, that's far infrared. I said near. And usually the wavelengths are typically a thousand, two, three, four, five, six thousand.

Okay, you want to age 50. So it's a cheap way to do this. You go online on Amazon and once for $69 it's called a security illuminator. I learned this from Michael Hamlin, who's a professor of photo biomodulation at Harvard. And it's just type in security illuminators in the urine for red. It's 192 LEDs and it's $69. And the caution though is it comes, it's designed to be placed outside, it's light up your patio or whatever, so your cameras can see.

So you take an alarm and remove the lens Which you don't need and then you can there's a black a green dot at the bottom that needs to be covered with black electrical tape So that it stays on at the daytime and then you just plug it in your off to the racist like 70 bucks in a second 30 watt And if it was a medical device it probably cost you 700 bucks or a thousand. Okay, so how close do I stand to this? How, I mean, how? It's like, Ben, you just hold it all like there. You just hold it on, yeah, just hold it right on your skin wherever you restore. And it's not going to get that hot.

It's not like a heat lamp. Heat lamp is a fanar infrared. We have a heat lamp. It's like mostly far rolling, 10% of it's near. So it gets really hot. And that's good for structuring water. And I love, I do a near infrared, a fanar infrared saw it every day pretty much because that's good for structuring water and I love I do a near and far and far and far so on every day pretty much because it's great for detox and there's a lot of

other things you can do with detox too. But you for prophylatically treating or preventing the muscle soreness from workouts, I think you guys love this. It's just the most amazing thing. It's like crazy. You only need maybe a few minutes, maybe five, 10 minutes, some each site. And you can, you know,

the sooner after the exercise, the better. I used to wait and do it until I went to bed at night but now I just do it right after the exercise and it's just, it just totally abolishes any of that. I mean, we are already ordering on Amazon as we speak right now, Dr. Smith. I'm gonna, I'm gonna test that out. I'm gonna put it to the test

and I'll let you know uh... what i experience and let me know yet because you guys you know you guys are professional athletes i'm i'm just just professional uh... life and through the so i do use drank train but i don't use it to the extent that you guys do but it's certainly worked for me excellent i'm excited excellent uh... well this has been awesome yeah yet thanks again doctor mccola alright will be in touch

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