Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 565: Chris Algieri- Former WBO World Boxing Champion with Frankie Kimera

Episode Date: August 3, 2017

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin speak with Kimera ambassador, Chris Algieri along with Frankie from Kimera Koffee (www.kimerakoffee.com, "mindpump" at checkout for 10% off). Chris is a former WBO World Boxing Champion and ISKA+WKA World Kickboxing Champion. He fought Manny Pacquiao in Macau, China. This is an entertaining and informative episode that takes you behind the scenes of a world-class fighter. Guys into conversation with Frankie from Kimera Koffee and Chris Algieri (0:00) Chris talks about his time in jail / What made him go into boxing rather than MMA? (4:45) Did he have moments of big learning lessons? (10:00) Best fighters adjust on the fly How does his body feel after a fight? Can he feel when he breaks a fighter? (12:56) In your face all night/pressure fighter What was the most difficult fight for him? (14:53) Many Pac Can you train yourself to take a punch? Is power the last thing to leave a fighter? (17:05) Do you do your own research on a fighter? Or have their team do it? (18:35) Rhythm fighter Frankie Kimera vs. Chris Algieri (20:05) What kind of fitness does one need to be a boxer? (20:58) Compare to soccer midfielder Constant movement and explosive movements What does he see the most wrong with training/nutrition in fighting? (22:51) Cutting water too early Amateur chef Trains other fighters What rules does he follow when working with a fighter on their nutrition? (28:11) Need carbs Water intake Does he work with fighters on the mental side of the fight? (32:00) What does he practice to get into his flow state? (36:00) Avoids his phone Aromatherapy What are his favorite boxers? Did he emulate any one’s style? (39:23) Do promoters make fights to protect their guys? (44:51) What does the future look like for him? (46:41) Career planned out since  he was a teenager Kickboxing fight Guys talk about one of their favorite podcast to check out (51:35) The Art of Charm Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Got a beard? Condition your beard with Big Top Beard Company’s natural oils and organic essential oil blends to make it not only feel great but smell amazing! Get Big Top Beard Company products at www.bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts!

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. We had a great opportunity. You know what I love? So we met the owners of Kimera in person. I like to say Khymer. Khymer, the other day.

He likes to say Kymera. Great guys. And they brought with them one of the Kymera. They brought some backup. Frankie was a little scared. I've been talking shit to him. That's because he likes to be a smart mouth all time with me. Is he scared though?

I mean, he's trying to fight. He is. I said listen. When you come here, bro, I'm gonna punch you in your lip and he shows up with a fucking two time. That was how I he brought him. Yeah, well, here's the funny thing. So we're all sitting meeting up for dinner, right? We all sit down and they bring Chris Algieri. Those of you who know boxing, know exactly who that is. Those of you don't have no idea. And none of us had any idea. So he sits

down. We were idiots. He sits down and I'm like, I don't know this guy is. He looks really fit. Don't know who he is. And like, oh, he's one of our brand ambassadors. Talks really intelligently. So super smart guy, super nice guy. I never guess he's been punched in the head a bunch. Exactly, exactly. Great vibes and turns out this guy's a fucking bad at it.

Savage. Oh my God. He's the former WBO World Boxing Champion and the ISKA and WKA World Kick Boxing Champion. He went the distance with many Pac-O. The crazy part was impressive. He did that right before Pac-Man went on to go fight Floyd Mayweather. So he went 12, that's how close he was to getting that Floyd Mayweather fight, man.

So in this episode, we get into, of course, we're going to talk about Mayweather and McGregor with that going on, especially being a guy who was really close to being somebody who got a chance. He deserves this fight. Right. And so we get his fight analysis of McGregor and Pat, I mean, not Pacquiao, but McGregor and Mayweather also talks about some of the toughest fighters that he ever fought and and Pat, I mean, not Pac-Yo, but McGregor and maybe whether. Also talks about some of the toughest fighters

that he ever fought and what it was like to fight Manipack-Yo. What a great episode. We get to articulate like boxing so well, it was fascinating to listen to. Yeah, we talk about fitness and nutrition. In a mindset too of a athlete and a competitor, a champion. Very, very interesting episode.

Great guy to talk to. I think he'd make a great podcaster one day. In fact, he was actually really good on the mic. Sometimes you get an athlete on the mics and you don't know how it's gonna turn out. We'll use a comment, commentator for a bellator. So I told him, it's like, man, that's your calling, man. Yeah, he did a really good job.

You can check out his Instagram page. It's Chris spelled CH-IS underscore algeary alge r i check him out awesome dude. You're gonna love this podcast. So here we are talking to Chris algeary. Also this month we are giving away one of our most valuable assets. Probably the most valuable thing that we offer

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Did you look in say I got to find the biggest dude and go pick a fight like isn't that the role Yeah, absolutely not no No fucking way In there look like a murderer bro I'm supposed to do that isn't that what they said it did cross my mind to do that and then getting stabbed So I feel like you know, I've never had I've never done time like you've done time. So I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, you know, at that moment,

you have to be thinking in your head like, I'm either one, I'm gonna go fuck this dude up, but then you're like, you're saying you're nervous you're gonna get shanked, so you don't do that. But then the other side of that is that means that I'm could end up being somebody's bitch, at one point, right?

That has to go through your head. I took the ladder. Yeah. It's a decision that you have to make. It's an honorable one. It's difficult to find the middle of the pack and the prison. Oh, that could be the worst, right? Get in your ass.

Look, get in your ass. That's gotta be the worst. Yeah, I could point. That's a good point. That's a good point. If you make the wrong decision stuff, you make the wrong decision, you pick the fight, you get beat up, and now you have to be someone's bitch anyway.

Dude, and you know what was crazy? The baddest dude in there was Dominican. I told him I was a Dominican, he's like, yeah, but we're not the same Dominican. Oh, he didn't claim me. He didn't claim me. Oh, it's like, again, back to you saying that he's a shitty storyteller.

These are all really good points. That should be in the story. Right. That's why I see that. We start. We had to do a second podcast just so I could get some of the rest these are shitty stories. These are all really good points that should be in the story. Right. Right. Did we start? We had to do a second podcast just so I could get some of the rest of the goddamn story here

because tell us he's, oh yeah, with the gel for four days. If we keep asking him, they'll be more important. I got a phone call. That's it. Cool. You missed the guy with a baloney sandwich.

You missed a phone to collect calls. Come on, man. This is the best pieces of all this. This one dude told me that I should have thrown the body overboard. He's like, oh man, this is the best pieces of all this. This one dude told me that I should have thrown the body overboard. Because I, oh man, no, we didn't, it's no cry. No, wait. I'm like, yeah, next time I got this.

I'll remember that. I'll remember that. They say you become a better criminal when you go away. I guess that's just that. You learn all the secrets. I know that I've been out of it right there. No, Chris, when we were podcastinging earlier and Frankie kept on his terrible stories. I didn't get a chance to really dive into you and your journey from becoming an amateur

and then also pivoting from being a kick boxer and then going full boxing that moment where you had to decide that we didn't I started to ask you and we didn't finish it. I wanted to know more about what really made you go the boxing direction and you said a little bit about your history with your you grew up being a fan and our fight as well. Yeah, because I know that we'll talk about that. We're hyping that up. But why not why not MMA, you know, yeah, so you know with MMA. So I had you know, I came from kickboxing and I just thought that Yeah, so, you know, with MMA, so I had, you know, I came from kickboxing and I just thought that, for me to then add more skills and techniques, wouldn't be the same as me kind of taking away and kind of mastering the two

that I've already been working on. So I felt more about mastering my hands rather than adding techniques that I'd be kind of playing catch up, catch up on. Do you feel that that's necessary now when you look at MMA? Like I remember watching it when it first started. I remember when it used to be like a boxer versus a karate guy versus you know like you had one discipline. Now it seems like you have to be.

Well MMA is the discipline now. Right. They're literally MMA gyms. And that's a pretty recent thing. You know, you've got guys that have now been training MMA for a decade. You know, that wasn't the case like you're saying early on when it was the boxer versus the Jiu-Jitsu

specialist. Well, some people think it's training and boxing, training in Jiu-Jitsu, training in Muay Thai, but it's not even that. It's also learning how to integrate them because boxing for boxing is different than boxing for MMA. Absolutely. You know, grappling for Jiu-Jitsu is different than grappling for MMA. You have to learn how to integrate them all. Yeah, and I always love hearing fighters perspective on this because some of them

I agree and disagree on this point. I'm here. I want to hear your opinion is Should it be in a one house type of deal or like what I get some guys that I know that are pros that talked to me about like It's so much better to go to go to that one discipline and get master it by one of the greatest masters in that. And go over here, find that one, master that versus one gym that's kind of hubbing. You know, maybe they have one coach that's really awesome at hands, but then as far as his ground,

the other guy who's the ground game guy, well, you know, he's only got about five years experience where you'd be better off going and working outside. What's your thoughts on that? Well, on that, like, it's not realistic to go and go master disciplines because you have such a limited amount of time. So if you're starting in your late teens or whatever,

your prime of your fight career is gonna be during your 20s. You would be spending time mastering all those disciplines in that case. What I suggest, and what I've always found best is I've trained with a lot of different other trainers, and I took from them what I could, like what served me in my style and I kind of left behind the things that didn't. So I didn't take on their style entirely. I just took on parts of their style that I saw as serving me and for what

my ultimate style would be. No, we talk a lot about paradigm shattering moments for us in our career and the things that we do. Did you have moments like you talk about, you had all these different coaches, I'm sure you've had tons of brilliant minds and talented boxers that you fought with. What did you have moments that was like a big learning lesson, like holy shit this whole time, I've been dipping to the left when he does that. Like, can you remember those moments?

Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, when the thing about being at the elite level, your mistakes that's shown up, shown really quickly. You make a mistake that you said if I'm dipping this way, it's like, these guys let you know, immediate. They're really good at reading things that are going on out there and making adjustments.

The best fighters in the world adjust on the fly in seamless manner. At what level do you start like diving into like your opponent? Like at what level does that become a huge piece of like studying the opponent, you know? It depends on you know at the lower ranks like you're not really sure about the guys gonna be tough to find you two videos on a guy who's You know four and seven, you know But then once you start fighting guys who are now have a background whether it be amateur Because the guy could be 13 or 14

You know because you always have those cross road fights in the beginning Where's you versus another prospect and the guy who wins goes on and do you always know when 13 or 14, you know, because you always have those cross road fights in the beginning, where it's you versus in the prospect. And the guy who wins goes on. And if you always know when that is, like, you know, you don't, but you do. You know, like, maybe the fighter might not know, but their management knows, their team knows, you know, but I think fighters who kind of grew up

around the swore to maybe watch the world know those, those kind of cross road opportunities. Oh, wow. And they happen, like, back to back to back to back. And honestly, it's just like, you've got to win. So I won my World Tire. I was 20, no at the time. Like if I had lost it any point leading up to that, I wouldn't have gotten to the fights

that I got. Wouldn't even gotten the fights let alone had a chance. How many times do you think you've had like a young kid coming up that is a potential prospect in your career that you've had to fight? Like how many of those you? I mean, it started as early as my TV, my national television debut, I thought this kid, Jose Peralta, who was actually Dominican. And the kid was a monster.

And I had literally people reaching out to me and like, yeah, I don't fight this kid. I've seen him in the amateurs and he's really got a lot of money behind him and like, he's really coming up. And I was just like, dude, it's TV. This is my opportunity for people to see what I do. How hard that I work.

Tell me, walk me to that fight. I must have been a fucking... Was that a hard one? Yeah, if you guys want to look up a really fun fight to watch, it's Chris Algera versus Jose Peralta. It was on NBC Sports. This is... Shoot, 2012 or so.

In a 10 round fight, I think Compebox locked me in at about 1100 punches. Holy cow, that's an act of fight. And everybody's like, air was like, wow, why do you throw so many punches? Like, did you train to do that? I was like, no, the guy was on me like, right on rice and I just, the only thing I could do to keep him off me

was fucking punch. So I just let my hands go non-stop. And it became a war of attrition because in the beginning rounds, it was really ticked for tack back and forth. I was boxing smart early and then he really brought on the heat. He was a big puncher, caught me a couple of times.

And then I was just like, you know what? I just need to push. I just need to push until he can't keep up. That's exactly what happened. What does it feel like? This... Us Dominicans are savagings. Obviously. Obviously. What does it feel? I've always thought to myself when I watch these fights, how does it feel

the days after the fight? Has your body feel? What's the healing look like? So I get that question a lot and it's really variable. Like there are fights that literally, you could fight a 12 round fight and you're literally like fine. Like your sore from like, and you've had hard workout during camp. Then you could have a fight that was five or six rounds and your sore for like a week.

I had a black eye at the Roussamp Roundup fight for three months. That's the one that you told us about earlier, where you wrote there? Yeah, that's when I wrote my orbital. But literally, even if there was completely healed and there was good, I still had black in my eye well. You know, it was the off-color, and certain days I'd wake up,

he worse than others. Yeah, I just well up. Yeah, I feel, I've heard this too a lot, and can you confirm that you can feel like another man's spirit when it's been broken, like in a fight? Oh my God, it's my favorite fucking game. Wow.

Yes, dude. And the shark eyes come out. Domination. When I, when I fall out of Provodnikov, I said it in one of the pre-fight interviews, which really blew people's mind, because I was really unharbled at, at that point. And I said, you know, our styles are not that different.

And everybody's scot, because he was a, a go-forward Terminator style. Siberian Rocky was his nickname. Murderous puncture, knocked everybody out, took everybody's punch and just kind of like won fights through our nutrition and big power. And I was a savvy smooth boxer who got hit very, very little and had good conditioning. So when I compared our styles, they were like, no, that doesn't make any sense. I'm like, yeah, but we're both we fight to break our opponent's will. We just do it in different ways. Ruslan does it by landing hard punches, by taking your best shot to the point where you're

like, I can't hurt this guy and he's still coming. And I break your will by being in your face all night and keeping my hands on you and making you miss and making you feel like, I can't beat this guy. He's just too good. You know, so having that moment when you kind of break away is probably like a foot race or something We're like you get ahead and it's like now you're in my wake, dude, and you're gonna stay there And you just turn it on from there. What was it? Can you give us a story of a fight that you were in where you was just the most difficult test for you?

Definitely the the the packout fight. He was just he was so I mean you went the distance with him We went to I spent 12 rounds rounds with him over in CalChina and he just was, really it was that I just didn't expect it. He was Mexican sublims. And I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, he was his endurance and his power were great, but it wasn't even that. It was just like, he was so hard to prepare for in terms of style. Like, I had hired the sparring partner that everybody used for Manipacket. Like there was this kid and he's great. He switched his sides, he fights South Paul,

he's very awkward, he's very jumpy, he moves around great, and it was nothing like the man in the ring. You know, he was crazy. The angles that he was able to cut, the punches that he was able to land from such awkward positions, but still generating power. That was the biggest thing.

Because you know when you're safe in a ring, I cut a corner, I'm like, all right, this guy can't hit me hard here. And then many does. Is there a moment during the fight where you felt like he earned your respect on that level where you like, fuck, this dude is that good? Does it ever cross your mind while you're fighting? Oh, yeah. And it happens that fights were fights that I want.

Like I'm in there, I'm like, all right, this guy could really fucking scrap or this guy's tricky or scary or dangerous. You know, some guys, they just, some guys, they got their Sunday punch. And they're not really great fighters, but they're really good at setting up that shot. And not necessarily that shot knocks you out, but it clips you and it hurts you.

And you carry that for a while, even if you get rocked or stunned or whatever, you carry that punch with you for at least a few rounds. What do you mean by that? When you, what least a few rounds. What do you mean by that? What does that feel like? What do you mean? It could be a couple things. It could be one literally you got rocked,

equilibrium-wise, and it could take a few rounds. So you just go off? You're just off. Every step is a little bit off. Your feeling is a little weird. You think you're standing still, but your body is actually swaying or rocked. You got off a boat. Yeah, you lose your landlakes.

But then there are other shots at you that could be your broken or rock. You got off a boat. Oh, yeah. You lose your land legs, kind of. And then, but then there are other shots at you, like it could be like, you're broken or my eye break, you know, and my eye is swelling now. So I'm carrying that into the next couple of rounds, or I break my nose, or my nose is bleeding. Now my breathing is inhibited. It's going to change the outlook of the fight moving forward. So every punch can literally change the story.

Is there, I've, I've talked to boxers in the past, friends of mine, and they said that you can train yourself to learn how to get punched, and is that truth? Yeah, I mean, you see a lot of the guys when they come off a long layoffs, and they get rung by punches that it used to. Those little muscles in your neck, and catching those punches, and your body's ability to tighten up fast when something's coming, when you see that punch and you're like, you know, and that's a big thing is getting hit with punches that you see versus punches that you don't. It's the ones that you don't, they don't have to be that hard, you know, just your body's not reacting the same.

That's what I've heard people say. Is there any truth to, we've talked about this on several episodes, people have asked us questions about old man's strength And I had a friend who was a boxer, older gentleman. He actually was a client of mine in his 70s. And he said, the last thing to leave a man is his power. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, totally. So my pro kickboxing, baby, I was 19 years old.

Couldn't even shave yet. I thought I could. My pro debut, I a guy who's 37. Oh shit. And so it was, it was, it was, it was, it was the youth versus the, the experience. It's like fighting your dad. Literally. Young line versus old line.

And it was just like, all right, I'm like, I'm not going to be stronger than this guy. And I'd seen him on the circuit before, like I knew, you know, about him in his style. I knew he was kind of tricky and he was, he was a good puncher. He knocked people out. I was just like, I just got to overwhelm him and just kind of stay on him. And when he wants to rest, not let him. And that's exactly how I've been. I knocked him out in the third round.

But, um, now, do you get a lot of help to like, I mean, the way you analyze another fighter and how you prepare for a fight, is that all on you or do you have a team now guys that like help you like, listen, this guy, watch this. I mean, how does that that there's kind of two schools I thought there some fighters hate watching tape and they hate watching fights especially their opponent before as they're getting ready for them and then in that case you're gonna have your team do the work and I think that's really important tape review is really really important to watch a guy

I'm not a huge proponent of watching tape I just want to know kind of maybe a little bit stylistically how they're going to move and whatnot. But then there are guys who watch like tons of tape. Is that because you don't want to overthink it or what's your reason behind that? Why? I'm a rhythm fighter and I think of that. If I'm watching a video, I can't guess someone's rhythm based on who they're fighting because your rhythm changes with who you're in the ring with. And I'll see if I always feel like I'll figure that out quick in the ring.

So you try and find like training partners that somewhat emulate that though at least so you can do it. Exactly, at the very least, like have the right side forward. If you got a salple who's fighting with the right hand in front or you got an orthodox who's fighting with the left in front, but also like certain tells. Like this guy dips to his right. This guy's got a big left hook.

So I want a sparring partner who's got a big left hook. If I'm training for a guy, you know, it's funny even at the highest level, a guy like Tito Trinidad who was known for his left hook. You're not gonna spar a guy who's a big right hand. You know, it doesn't have a good left hook. Because the punch is coming from literally the opposite angle, so you kind of ingrained

in programming all that. I like watching, too. Do you? Yeah, watching. We know what this is, too, you watch my dude. But he has nothing on me, so. Nothing on you. Yeah, what's going on with that?

You guys are gonna do some, I'm 100 and no in the streets. So I didn't, I didn't realize this, but I but I got I got brought on by a chameir coffee just so I could fight Frankie So that's that they were they were hand picking mani pack. I doesn't have the donkey of coffee over here Frankie's also the matchmaker for for chameir coffee, so You won't know what hit him Are you really gonna you tube this are you gonna do this? Yeah, dude? He doesn't stand a chance. Oh my god I did you get insurance or anything before you did this? Why would I haven't seen my friend?

You know where helmet I'm freaking six five two hundred and fifty pounds four percent body fat It's cuz we're a podcast that's why you can do that for videos. Just on video. Yeah. Yeah. I hope you have a deadline chance, man. Get your review. Teeth are expensive.

Oh, yeah. He knows. Yeah, he definitely knows. Yeah. I got a professional mouthpiece, man. So I put it in my name's streets. So training wise, to give yourself the type of, well, first off, what kind of fitness does one need to be a boxer?

Because sports require specific types of fitness. I mean, you're going to need a particular type of it. I remember when I trained, when I trained a lot in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I had really good stamina or decent stamina for Jiu-Jitsu. And I remember I went, I had a friend of mine who was a kickboxer. And all he did was hold pads for me. And I remember I went, I had a friend of mine who was a kickboxer, and all he did was hold pads for me. And I remember how fast I got fatigued doing that. And I realized it was so different

in terms of the type of endurance or type of, what kind of fitness do you need for boxing in particular? So that's a really interesting question because the different biomotor abilities that you need, you know, support to sport, I almost like in boxing to like a soccer midfielder where you've got to be able to constantly move but also have short sprints and explode.

And the body also, you got to incorporate the upper body movement, you know, the upper body strength. So it's basically a movement where you have to be able to constantly move, so you've got that base endurance, but then also explode, sprint and generate power. You know, so it encompasses so many different biomotor abilities. It really is tough to train everything at once. You really got to do. Do boxers nowadays still do lots of road work like the boxers of the old, you know, old days?

Yeah, they do. It's really an antiquated way to train. I think, especially study state running, which a lot of guys do, they just run five miles a day. That was old school, right? That's totally old school. Totally old school. And honestly, you still see it now in new school, where I think short sprint work is probably

bright better in training. It's good to have some over-distance training, but I would say once a week, and then I would say do much more sprint work, because that would equate to the same combination. A smart guy like you, you got to see, I want to know for your perspective, what you think is kind of wrong with a lot of the training that you see in dieting, so what that can do. What do you see is most wrong in boxing right now with your training and nutrition?

Probably the scariest thing that I see in terms of training and nutrition is obviously is weight cuts, but I see a lot of training and nutrition is obviously weight cuts, but I see a lot of guys, and I've been seeing this for years, they cut their water really early, because they're afraid of the number on the scale. I see guys literally in sparring sessions who won't drink water in the corner. Right, yeah, Adam just made a face like that's ridiculous, and it is, but literally that's, you know, we're still in this day and age people are doing that. They're cutting their water a week out from a fight two weeks out from a fight because they don't understand human physiology and how body water is held

And that's scary because the new guy guys getting hit in the head in a dehydrated state Right, you know a chance of a brain injury and brain injury doesn't just happen in fights that goes into sparring as well We fight when we spar you know, we just wear we are more gear But we're still trying to knock each other out. Yeah, you think so, George. Do they still do the IV like after the weigh-ins? And all that? Some guys do.

You'll find that much more in MMA athletes and that level where those guys do like really, really aggressive weight cuts. Some boxers do. That's probably less common. Yeah. What about resistance training wise, like with weights?

How does that incorporate it with of any period eyes like your entire approach with this? Yeah, we spoke about this earlier and it's like it's really tough because a lot of times. So working with fighters and combat athletes, they're generally in a catabolic state, right? They're always trying to lose weight. If the scale goes up, I heard on package, you talking about your scale going down freaking out Fighters of the opposite scale goes up at any time. I wake up two pounds heavier It's like fuck. I gotta do extra work now I got a you know, I got a drink less or eat less and go for an extra run now because I'm two pounds heavier today

Versus other athletes where animalism is key and you just want to grow and never be depleted Fighter is constantly living at depleted states. So with a a strength coach, we're gonna be with a fighter. It's difficult. You might make all these gains during camp. And then the last two weeks when they're cutting the weight, just throw out the window. Guys kill themselves and make weight. I've seen great camps, five, six, seven, eight weeks of awesome work. Wow. I'm ruined by five days of weight cut. That which when you saying that makes me think it's probably so much more beneficial than to always kind of hang around pretty close to your your weight where you're going to be fighting at because when you think about it

even if you put all this effort and to building will you put all this extra work into building 20 pounds of lean mass over the offseason you got it cut anyways you put yourself in a cataball state for that long of a period time everything's gonna fall off absolutely and you'll be right back where you were but you didn't have to do all that hard-ass work to put that on and put all that stress on your body to get there. Exactly. The other thing that comes to mind, too,

is if you're doing a lot of training at a heavier body weight, you may be used to moving with a bigger body, you may have different timing, then you cut all this weight. What does that do to a boxer's timing? So that's another pitfall that I see with guys, is that, so say, for example, I was talking MA earlier, but I used the way class like the one seven years. So you got a guy at 170 who,

probably in the off season is like 205. You know, once he starts this camp, he's gonna be in like the mid 90s or low 90s. And the bulk of his maybe sparring and training is gonna be around like 84, 85, 185, right? So then he cuts down, he makes 170, and then he's gonna refeed back up, and then the guy ends up stepping into the cage at 195 or 200. Right.

You're a different guy. Like I said, your body's different. Your body's gonna move different. Your lungs are gonna move different. The stresses on your body are gonna feel different. Your timing's off. Your hand position body position, you have a different body.

And you've done the bulk of your work 10 or 15 pounds lighter, you're doing yourself a serious decision. A lot of people don't realize, even five pounds. So being somebody who messes with his weight a lot, going up and down competing with shows, I can see a huge difference with a five pound up or down. And you're a big guy. And you're a big guy noticing five pounds.

Imagine being like my weight, 155 pounds, 160 pounds, and then feeling with the five pounds is like, it's a big deal. So you've actually helped other fighters with this process of doing it like in a more healthy way. I know we've made some kind of like comparison, like a mic dolce of like the MMA world. Like is that something that you could see yourself

sort of becoming in the boxing world? Yeah, is that something that you could see yourself sort of becoming in the boxing world? Yeah, I think I think I could do a lot of good because of my background and experience and my education. I actually got brought on by Daniel Jacobs in his fight versus the triple J. It was one of, it was a guy's a monster. They fought at the garden. Danny has a guy that I fought on the same card with for years. And his team had reached out and said, hey, you do this nutrition diet stuff,

like would you want to come to camp? So I was actually hired as the in-camp nutritionist. I meal planned everything out, help him make the way, but also I'm an amateur chef, I like to cook. So I end up cooking every meal for him throughout the camp as well. So we found this great synergy, and he was amazed about how much food he was able to eat

throughout the camp, how good he felt, how his he was amazed about how much food he was able to eat. Like throughout the camp, how good he felt, how his recovery was, and how easily he still made weight. You know, and it was like, he's like, dude, you're part of the team until I'm done. So what I had to constantly be in this ear the whole time, right? Because he was like paranoid. Yeah, well, more with his team. Danny trusted me 100%.

He's like, we're good, right? Champ, I'm like, yeah, we're good. He's like, okay, but his team is like, you know, Chris, when's that weight coming off? He? He's so little heavy. Yeah, we're good. We're good. He's drinking two gallons of water a day It's not gonna be like okay, he'll make the way what what kind of nutrition strategies do you use with an athlete like that in terms of Protein sphats carbohydrates or even just the types of foods that you're feeding them? What are some rules that you try to follow? so Hydration is super variable, but I really got, I like to weigh my guys in

before they work out and after they work out and see what their drift is during that time. Also get an idea of how much they drift overnight and get kind of an idea of what kind of sweater they are, what their sweat rate is, what their water loss rate is. You'll find with guys throughout camp that'll change too as they get leaner

and there's less body fat covering their muscle tissue and their muscle tissue is actually, their lean tissues at their highest, they will lose water really fast. So following them during their camp and seeing how that change and adjusting their water intake is really important. And when it comes to actual macromesciate distribution

throughout camp, you need carbs. It's an explosive sport. There's a major endurance aspect to it. There's a lot of cardio involved in the training itself. So carbs are something that I really will push up until, just the last couple of weeks. And then as we get into what I consider like the cut phase or the fight preparatory phase,

I'll really put the carbs around the most important performance part of that training, which would be their sparring. Okay, they can feel a little rough on a technique day, but I want them to feel good on their sparring day. So we'll focus on carving up the night before and immediately after. You even manipulate their carbs based off

of what you're doing for training. That's awesome. Absolutely. Being able to cycle their carb intake so they can kind of lean out some in between. The idea really is, you gotta assess the guy properly. You gotta figure out what his body fat is at the beginning camp, what he weighs at that

point, and then assess, all right, how lean can we get you and maintain as much lean body tissue as possible, and then pull enough water out of you to make that way? What are the carb sources that you tend to pick for your fighters? I keep it pretty simple. I'm big on oats, of course, oatmeal, whole grain bread, things like that. I'm a potato guy, but I have a lot of guys who are pasta guys, potatoes, pastas, cereal grains, granolas, tons of veggies, a lot of colors, really big on colors. And I've recently really got into nitrates and vasodilators to really help with recovery.

Like beets? Beets juice, pomegranate. Pomegranate, there's a lot of really, really cool research on pome Beach juice, pomegranate, pomegranate, there's a lot of really, really cool research on pomegranate juice and pomegranate seed extract and how it that, that's what dilates and in a similar fashion to beet juice. So a lot of times I was using pomegranate juice as a pre and then beet juice as a post for recovery.

The pomegranate juice works faster than beet juice. So you got about a 30 minute window where it says to kind of open everything up. So I want those guys having those nutrients and those carbs in their system so they can go out there and perform it their best. And then right after throwing the beet juice, again, open everything up.

Let's get recovery nutrition in and let's get the carbs and protein right away and get them to kind of recover and then go chill. Yeah, especially for high intensity type endurance type athletes, they've shown that these high nitrate foods have a performance boosting benefit. It's funny because I'll get messages from people, hey, should I be having you know, bee

juice before or pomegranate juice before my workouts? I'm like, what do your workouts look like? Yeah. I'm also like, no, you're fine. Yeah, you're not going to see anything from drinking something. Calm down. Yeah, exactly. What about protein intake?

I'm assuming you need an adequate amount of protein for recovery, but too much protein may be counterproductive. What does that look like? Again, that's going to depend on the camp and where we're at in terms of the weight making stage and what preparation level we're at. Protein's important as kind of one of those things where I try and get it in at some point throughout the day.

It doesn't need to be a ton. It's not an efficient fuel source for these guys. They're energy's going gonna come from the carbs, but from a recovery aspect, that's really important. I'll focus it more around the strength training days, around their sparring days, with it really kind of getting beat down and recovery's gonna be more important.

Now, do you coach and help them with what is widely considered to be one of the most important parts of preparing yourself for competition, the mental aspect. Is that something that you work with people with as well? So that was a secondary job that the Daniels camp had, Jacob's camp had brought me on for because I had been to the highest level. I'd seen what this is like. I'd seen what fighters go through during camp and Danny really trusted me in that regard

as well. So we had a lot of personal time to spend, and we got to talk about these kinds of things, from one from a technical aspect, but also from that psychological mindset of getting ready for what we're about to do. So that becomes important, and just hearing someone tell you that like,

you know, we're in a good position right now, and we're gonna make the weight no problem, and you're gonna feel like a fucking monster on fight night. From someone who's done it is really satisfying, gratifying or gives these guys a sense of calm where they would be like, all right, we're doing everything right. I don't have to worry about that. Yeah, and any competition I've ever been in, I have a real easy time training leading up to the competition.

I learned real quick that I would exhaust myself from the stress and anxiety of the upcoming competition, and in some of the first competitions I did, I would be exhausted. And I couldn't believe it. I thought it was more fit than this. This is I got so tired. How did you deal with that yourself going in? Did you have those kind of nerves and did you figure out strategies to deal with that? Absolutely.

So I was a big visualization guy. I had spent my camps at least a few minutes a day, and sometimes I would do more, especially earlier in my career, kind of spending like an hour or so, really just length. I shut off the lights, I shut the phone off, everything, don't leave, I'm in my time. Nobody, nobody bother me, shut everything down,

and I will see myself walking into that ring, because that's one of the scariest things in the world Walking down the tunnel when you walk it out and you see 20,000 people You don't you can't even see the people because the lights are like shining on you Your music is blasting the music that you chose which you know it's now it's war. It's time everything you've worked for is literally this moment and You're walking into this tunnel. You're going into the unknown, the ring is highlighted with lights, and like, that's where I'm going, I'm going to meet the man that I've been training to destroy, who's been training to destroy me for months, and this is actually

that moment. What are the adrenaline, really? Yeah, so that. A bunch of drunk people screaming your name. Yeah. Or the guy who screams, fuck you, you suck. You know what I mean? So you've gotta be able to just have tunnel vision like at that point.

And so when every time I fought, I've seen that for that night, 10,000 times. I've walked into that arena, I've walked into that ring, I've stepped through the ropes, I pulled my robe off when they said my name, I've touched gloves at this guy, I've looked him in his eyes, looked in his fucking soul and I've been there a thousand, ten thousand times before I've ever gotten into the ring because I spent that time laying

in my bed, getting horizontal, feet crossed, eyes closed, you're staring. I'm not, I'm not napping. I'm not sleeping, but I'm kind of in that in between state and just really running that on a reel. And I will pick throughout camp at what point I'm going to talk about. I think about, I've even done like, all right, I'm in the limo on the way to the arena. You know, I'm getting out of the car with my team. The cameras are in my face, the pick and pictures, they're asking for interviews.

You know, I've seen that all before it happens, and that really just helps with that sense of calmness and being prepared for. Do you feel like you've practiced that so well that you can now, like, you feel like when you get into that position, you're like, yeah, I've seen all this. It's all all that. I knew I heard that, you've practiced that so well that you can now like you feel like when you get into that position You're like, yeah, I've seen all this saw all that I knew I heard that I've seen that like have you gotten better and better at doing that like as you've gotten I've gotten better at getting into the place where what I'm thinking and doing has has the positive effect I'm looking for I think when I was younger

I had to maybe run it through a lot more because I needed to kind of calm everything down, block everything out, and just like, all right, maybe like the 150th time, all right, now I actually see this clear. Where now it's like, I can think about it a handful of times, it's like, all right, I'm in my flow now, and I'm ready for, to use this for a positive interaction. Have you?

I'll go ahead. Now I wanna know if there's certain things that you do to get into that mode. Like we've talked about on our show before, using brain FM or using cannabis or doing things to get me in that mindset. So I get it. Get into my flow state.

Are there practices that you've put in place to do that? Yeah. I don't talk much during like camp and getting ready for that. Even for that, like, I'm really preparing for that. Like, as soon as my training session ends and I just kind of want to separate myself from interaction, staying off my phone is big, because that's have mind suck, man.

That thing will get lost. Especially if you read what people are saying about the fight and what they're saying about you. Yeah. I'm big with like a Roman therapy. I really love candles, light things and incenses and things like that, just to kinda get me to help relax and abstinence salt baths, hot baths,

kind of just really just get my body to chill and which can help my mind come out more. I feel like everything else was melt away and then I'm left with what I really needed, what I need to train at that point. I feel like, um, fighting, because it is really, if you really examine all sports, they all are extensions of the original competition

which was fighting. You're fighting for survival or fighting for resources. People have referred to all combat sports as the purest of all sports. Has kickboxing fighting, has that set a different perspective for you when you go out into life or when you do other things? Is it change things for you when you go out into life or when you do other things. Is it change things for you? I got to imagine if you can handle visualization, you know, walking into an arena, getting ready to fly. Yeah, many pack you out in front of all these people, millions of people watching, whatever. Does that change a perspective for, you know, like every day of life?

Absolutely. I mean, if you have an important phone call or a big meaning or you're trying to get something off the ground, you're going to be anxious. You're going to have anxieties. You're going to have, you know, like, all or a big meaning or you're trying to get something off the ground, you're gonna be anxious, you're gonna have anxieties, you're gonna have, you know, like, all right, what about this, what about that? It's taught me to be an opportunist where in a ring, an opportunity presents itself, you don't, you react and you take it.

And it's kind of a similar way of an idea with in business or talking to people, it's like an opportunity will present itself because of the way you're talking or what comes in front of you or you think of that bridge, to maybe, I need to get this guy to understand what I'm trying to do. Finding that bridge and that that commonality is you've taken advantage of an opportunity. You see that opportunity and you go, you take that critical distance line and you cross it. And I think that's something

that I can take from my fight career into the real world. Yeah, I think again, it's just a, it's got to change a perspective on things. It's almost like, oh, I love that dude. Yeah, we talked to, you know, obstacle course racers, for example, and they'll be like, yeah, man, after doing that race, like, I went into the meeting on Monday and I was like, not a big deal because I just, I almost died right now on this particular race. Or, you know, if you just had a fight, I remember even doing that. And when I would train, you for fun in jujitsu,

I'd walk around and just felt very comfortable walk around because I'd just done some grappling fights or whatever. It's amazing how many things that we don't do out of fear, because we're afraid we're gonna fail, because oh my God, if I do this, I'm gonna fail and it's not gonna work out. And right away, I feel like so many people

get into that game and then I gotta figure it all out before I even think about taking a chance. And I don't know, I just, I have the same type of mentality where I'll just, you see an opportunity, I'm going to do it, learn from it. No matter what, it's an opportunity for growth, whether it succeeds or fails. I mean, I think too many people procrastinate on shit. Do you have any favorite boxers from when you were a kid or anyone that you idolize growing up? Absolutely. I mean, my whole fascination and passion with the sport came from hearing about the greats of yesterday, you know, my grandfather telling me about Alexis Herguello,

the explosive thin man from Nicaragua, you know, and then I remember guys even personally as I watched Mike Tyson, of course, you know, anybody who was alive in the 90s, but Oscar Dale Hoia was the guy that I was like, this is the guy. He could get off camera, he could smile, he was a crossover star, people loved him, and then in the ring he was a killer, and he was technically super sound, but also had that killer instinct,

and he brought it, you know, so that was the guy, I was like, all right, that's the guy. The Golden Boy man, that's the guy, the crossover star, man. How would you say your style, if you were to say, did you emulate anybody's style? So I've been told I have a couple different guys in there. Like there were certain aspects of me with my jab with that word like Dale Hoey,

but I'm a lot more of a level changer. I've always been told I kind of fight like an East Coast black guy in terms of being like rhythmic and I move and change levels and I'm kind of slick. My nickname when I was kid was smooth when I would fight. Smooth, you know, I was like literally a teenager. I was like, so smooth, look, you know. My nickname when I was kid was smooth when I would fight. I was like literally a teenager. I was like, so smooth, look, you're not trying.

I've been, so one really old guy that people kind of say, Willie Pepp, who was a guy who was a defensive wizard and changed levels, there's a legend that he won around without throwing a punch. So, so good defensively making guys miss that he made them look terrible and they even throw a point for that. That was a pissing. The history of boxing is fascinating. I mean, boxing is early days was crazy. Like they didn't stop a fight until you died. You could stand

over the guy while he was getting off the ground back then. So in those big fights when you would you drop a guy, you were allowed to stand over him for him to get up Yeah, and then and they would go on for rounds and rounds 15 rounds a lot they didn't have that That this is but this is true. They were actual you know fights like that But I you know, I love watching some of the greats because I feel like they were trailblazers for some of the newer styles That you see. Like, you know, Muhammad Ali, the way he boxed and danced and moved, you know, he, he set up a whole generation of, you know, boxing stuff.

And of course, you know, right now we're watching all this hype with, you know, kind of a Gregoran, Florida may, may weather and all the hype that they do behind it. Muhammad Ali kind of wrote the book on that. Like before him, nobody really fucking talks shit like that. No, exactly. You know, the Louisville lip. like that was his nickname for a reason. He was he had the gift of gab and he would talk these fights up and be able to that was where the promotion of these fights really really came. And but even Mahamad Ali, the great was

influenced by guys like Sugar Ray Robinson. Yeah. And by Joe Lewis. Joe Lewis, like you said, like that transitional style of fighting, Joe was like nobody else back then He was a good athlete He was a killer puncher. He knocked everybody very technical very technical as well So it was like you had this technical athlete and as a first time ever really seen that and then you got a guy like Sugar Ray Robinson who could punch going forward punch going backward I great technique had a great chin had an awesome gas, could fight everybody in the world for five different way classes. He literally was virtuoso to do it all. And then Ali comes in and that's where we had the first like

super athlete, the way that guy was able to move at 210 pounds. His accuracy was just insane. They say it wasn't a hard puncher, but he hit you. He hit you so perfectly that he put you out. He put you out. Timing is a motherfucker, man. People don't realize how big of a difference timing makes in your power. Oh, absolutely. Watching MMA, you watch the Diaz brothers, and it looks like they're not hitting that hard,

but they're beating people up because they're timing and accuracy is so good. They score knockouts and they lump people's faces up. They're not playing pity pad out there. Yeah, no, I was a big, of course, Rocky Marciano found because I'm a tie-in. But, you know, he fought Joe Lewis when Joe Lewis was way past his prime and he beat Joe Lewis and he cried afterwards because that was his idol.

He was a shell of a man at that point. Yeah, he was in the money as taxes. Yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, you've got like a George Foreman, another great, great fighter watch. I love George Foreman fight. Yeah, here's a guy who I probably one of the hardest punctures of all time gave Muhammad Ali a tough fight. Frazier who of course beat me all the other times. You put

Frazier on the foreman in the ring and and for him murdered him. Yeah. Why? And what is it about styles that changes the dynamics of a fight? That's was so great about about these sports is like he never does a guy. That's was so great about about the sports. He never said, all right, well, George Foreman completely starts Joe Frazier twice. And then fighting Ali and Ali had triple time wars with, you know, three times that wars with Joe Frazier. It's like, all right, well, George Foreman's going to beat it. George Foreman's going to crush him. And then they go out there and Ali wins a war of attrition. Let's some beat on him and knocks him out. It's like, that's that's that's the storylines and boxing

that are incredible when you have that stylistic matchup. You know, everyone said to me after Pac-Gov fight, they were like, what's gonna happen to him in Florida? My Floyd's gonna win easy. You just lost him, how could you say that? I'm like, it's styles. I think I would give Floyd more trouble than Manuel, just because of the way their styles matchup.

It's just one of those things. So you think you would have done better against Floyd than you? I think so. I think with his high shoulder-old defense, fighting someone long and tall, would have always given him trouble. I said Tommy Hurnes would beat Floyd up, where I think Floyd would probably beat Sugar Ray Leonard.

You know, he would be able to slow things down enough and kind of pick and go tick for attack, but Tommy, he could hit you from across the ring. He was a six-foot, well, to weight, you know, with like an 80 inch reach. You know, that guy can hit you from across the ring. So this stuff, that shoulder roll defense, not gonna work.

Because how common is it in with the promoters and the people setting these fights up where they avoid fights that they know stylistically or not? Is that common? So when I talk to people who don't really know the boxing, where I think of the promoters as almost like record labels, and they get artistsistically or not. Is that common? Is it? So when I talk to people who don't really know the box and where I think of the promoters, there's almost like record labels. And they get artists, the talent.

And they're going to protect their guys. So if they, their matchmakers are the best in the world at eyeing fights and matchups, and they'll be like, all right, well, this guy is not going to, or they test them early and say, are he as trouble with these kinds of guys? We're going to kind of avoid those kind of guys at the top level. It's like are he as trouble with these kinds of guys? We're gonna kind of avoid those kind of guys at the top level.

It's like, Mani has trouble with, like, he had trouble with Juan Memo Marquez because he's a good counter-puncher. So like, they've ended up fighting three times because Mani's a beast that fights everyone, but like, the company didn't really like that fight and they also didn't like the Floyd fight. I had heard that because of the style.

I feel like there's a science behind matching your fighter with the right person to create the right. I feel like there's a science behind matching your fighter with the right person to create the right. And you also want to create a boring fight either. So it's kind of a delicate balance. You've got to test your guy, but he's still got to win. You know, so you want to put him in tough, but like it's still a fight that he's going to come out on top of.

And you're right. It's an absolute science. And these matchmakers, they're basically handicappers. And they can see things. They've studied the game so long. They can catch little movements and whatnot that all right This this is this is gonna be end of this fight. This is how it's gonna go. It's crazy I had a client that was an old boxer. He was in his late 70s

I think I talked about him earlier and he broke it all down for me We were talking about Mike Tyson and he said he said Mike Tyson had such good balance He could knock you out from anywhere, but he had no balance going backwards So you just keep pushing him back with a double jab and you throw his balance off and that's what bus are Doug listed That's exactly what Doug listed and when he explained it to me and then I watched fights later on I was like holy shit like you don't realize the kind of science that goes into at this level of fighting It's just been said. It's absolutely. It's just not checkers motherfucker fighting to chest match. Absolutely.

It's a chest match. Chestnut check or as a motherfucker. That's boxing. It's called the sweet science. For a reason, you said it's science. You know, and it's such an old sport and people have been working on this for so long and you have two weapons. It's not four or eight.

It's two. Now, are there guys in the business that are known for this, like for helping fighters like you, like in that and the science of it and like breaking it down like a chest board? The best the best trainers in the business that are known for this, for helping fighters like you in the science of it and breaking it down like a chessboard. The best trainers in the world, the guys that really analyzed, you got guys like, I mean, God rest in peace from the Cronk Jinn, a manual steward.

I think he was one of the best that we've seen in the long time. But then you've got the guys like, like even Freddie Roach, who found Manny and turned them into an absolute icon by matching up their style and the weight I think the synergy that those two had as a coach and a fighter I don't think without Manny. I don't think Freddie would have been as big as he was or is and without Freddie I don't think man he was there's a perfect match up. I just perfect match up. So

Looking ahead. What what are we looking at in the future for you? What are you working on now? I'm looking to get back in the ring as soon as possible. I've stayed in great shape. I need some time off, get my body in the right place in terms of injuries and being healthy, also getting my mind in the right place. My run was fast and furious. I literally didn't even look back. I was asking, oh, it's been like,

I haven't even looked back yet. I haven't literally not looked in the rear view this whole time because I've just been going and going and going, I've had time to reflect. So I'm just looking, I'm really excited to get my career back going and hopefully I can get a fight in before the end of year. So this is gonna be boxing or kickboxing. You mentioned a little.

So yeah, I always told myself, I've been saying it, I've had my careers planned out since I was a teenager. I said I was gonna be a world champion kickboxing, I was gonna do it two times, I was gonna do two way classes, I was gonna do it in two different organizations and one I was going to be a world champion kickboxing. I was going to do it two times. I was going to do two way classes. I was going to do it in two different organizations and one of which had to be the ISK, which is the university recognized the world title in kickboxing. So I did that and then I said I was going to go to boxing. And then I was going to win a world title. I was going to make a million dollars. I was going to retire. I did all that, but I still want to fight. So I still have that drive. Yeah,

I still got that itch. And I still got that itch and I still got it. But yeah, but I've always said I want to come back and have a kickboxing, fight at least one because those are my roots. I still love this sport. I said it earlier, I didn't leave it because I didn't like it. I left it because of all of our opportunities being an opportunist. But I think they're still a place for me. Any anyone in particular that you want to fight right now?

It's hard to say that because the landscape changes so much, especially the way it classes that I'm in now 140, it's really kind of changing pretty drastically. But I mean- Lay out the landscape for a little bit. Who's who right now in that weight class? There's the World Weight Division, which is 147, which in my last couple fights have been. I'm a world champion at 140. So I'm actually moving back down to the 140s

to go back to kind of, I was on the feet of world champion there and then I moved up for the pack of fight and kind of stayed up there because of certain opportunities and money fights that were available. Now I want to go back and win on a title. I think I, I better suited for the 140s.

But 47 is funny because you've got these megabytes, the many pack gals, the Mayweathers, and but they're- So you see a lot of money potential there. Yeah, and they're like, they're like, they don't even need weight classes. They fight wherever, you know, like when I thought, man, we fought at 144, like that's not even a weight class, but he's that kind of guy that they can tell you where you're going to fight.

Floyd's fighting Muregger 54, you know, Floyd's not a 54-pounder, he's a 47-pounder. But, you know, those kind of guys, it's all about the money at that point. They can't fight anywhere. So like, the money's usually at the 47s. My last opponent, this kid, Errol Spence, he's a monster. You know, he end up calling and knocking out

the pretty tough world champion, Kelbrooke over in England. He's there, but I see him moving up. There's a couple other guys in the forties that are kind of transitioning way classes. The guys go right away classes, guys get older, guys chase money, and they'll leave. So a lot of times it can leave gaps and holes. So you gotta take use of that stuff. Was it changed that fast? I mean, I mean, six months from now, it could be a whole different.

Oh, wow. Think about Manipackau, he just lost to Jeff Horn, who's no one there has ever heard of. And like, everybody wanted to pack out fights like now. It's like, man, you don't really know what that is. And that just happened. That was an overnight thing. It's like, well, Pac-Gout didn't look so good.

Yesterday, hero, today, zero happens very quickly. Wow. So about one of you done for me lately. Yeah, you know, bullshit. Well, I know you got to catch a flight here, man, but it was awesome. Awesome. Awesome having you on the show,. Yeah, really appreciate it excellent

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So there's a few podcasts that we like to listen to regularly. Not very many podcasts, but there's a few in particular. One of them is the Art of Charm. Some of the best interviews and content that I found in the podcast world, one episode in particular was pretty damn awesome. I think all of you should listen to it if you're into listening to the compelling podcasting.

This was podcast number 633, Art of Charm interviewed Jack Barsky, who's this KGB spy in America. So he's implanted in America from Soviet Union, but then he ends up that he loves America so much that he switched over to our side. It's a very compelling story. I'm actually here right now with Jordan from the Art of Charm. He's a host.

Jordan, what was it like interviewing Jack Barsky? This guy was super cool, man. He's, I have to say, he's pretty old now, but this is a guy who studies in East Germany, grows up there, ends up going to Moscow, can't tell his family or friends what he's doing, leaves his family behind, his wife and kid, comes to America, steals a dead baby's identity, and beds himself at this company, this insurance company, he's working on computer stuff. And then after a while, he just realizes spying for the Soviet Union is just such a waste.

So he's like, screw it, I'm staying here. He gets married, has another kid. And eventually, the Soviet Union disintegrates and he's just like, cool, nobody has any idea what's going on. Well, fast forward a few years later, the FBI catches up with him. And he ends up making friends with the FBI agent,

not going to prison, helping the FBI with catching KGB spies. And he just unloads this whole story on this episode of The Art of Charm. It's a two-part episode. He talks about how he recruits spies, how the KGB recruiting him, what spies need to know,

all this human behavior reading stuff, super, super interesting episode to partner on a.o.c. which we never do there's tons of stuff this guy could talk for days I swear to God Jordan you're fast interview like the coolest people everywhere. Yeah, that's why I love your podcast so much. Where can people find you guys? Sure, so you're already listening to a podcast just search for the art of charm in whatever podcast app or just go to the art of charm.com and you can find all the shows

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