Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 572: The Vegan Advantage, Sensitive Topics & Becoming a Better Trainer

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Starting point is 00:00:41 So if you want to get... We're still looking for that sponsor. Cordiceps, the place to get it is For sigmatic.com spell the word for F.O. You are Sigma to S.I.G M.A.T. I see dot com forward slash Mind pump and enter the code mind pump for 15% off then we talk about sucralos A lot of people don't know that one serving of pre-workout may actually exceed what the FDA says is acceptable.

Starting point is 00:01:07 Wow! Or triple the amount. It's ridiculous. For daily intake of sucralose. We talk about movies, Adam talks about the movie Atomic Blonde. Yeah, go see it. Which is apparently better than it sounds. The female James Bond.

Starting point is 00:01:20 And Adam does what's called speed listening. Very interesting. Yeah. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, what do we think about people who go vegan who say that's just how they feel better that way? Do we still think it's better to eat things in moderation for those people?

Starting point is 00:01:37 Then we talk about what the hardest subjects are for us to talk about. Those are the sensitive subjects that we all find are difficult to even bring up. Justin the sensitive subjects that we all find are difficult to even bring up. Justin has so many that we actually had to cut out a question because there was so many things that said, I'm on and on and on. It gets legit deep in that particular question. Finally, we answer the question about how we've grown as personal trainers. Like, can we pinpoint when we got on that path of really becoming the trainers we are to get today? Finally, this month, again, it's one of our favorite

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Starting point is 00:03:00 So again, private forum, for free, enrolling any maps program or any bundle, and you can find it all at mindpumpmedia.com. You guys know I like to stack things with my pre-workout coffee. You are a stacker. I'm definitely a stacker of things inside your body. Look, my body, inside the coffee.

Starting point is 00:03:22 I like that. Then goes inside my body. Because, here's the thing, with caffeine, Camera does a good job of putting the neutropics and stuff in there, which kind of balances out. But then I add other stuff that gives me the more calm, clean, focused, high. Because I have a tendency,

Starting point is 00:03:43 unlike you Justin, who is completely immune to stimulants. I am just wired. You are completely immune to stimulants now. I am. Completely. Well, I'd love to, you know, I have to have them. You drink minimum a gallon of coffee. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:55 Come on, hadn't you? I'm exaggerating. A minimum. It's more like three quarters a gallon. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's, let's all calm down. If I had as much a double gulp, you know, if I had as much coffee as you, I'd be able to see's the fight. Let's all calm down. If I had as much a double gulp, you know, if I had as much coffee as you,

Starting point is 00:04:07 I'd be able to see into the future. That's how power like do. That's why I come up with innovative shit. Wow, that's your secret. That is. No, for reals though, I like to take things to augment and balance what I do with my caffeine intake. So one of the things I add is ashwaganda.

Starting point is 00:04:27 Ashwaganda is excellent with caffeine. My wife's taking that now, thanks to recommendations from Jessica. Ashwaganda is a very good balancing herb. I don't have any brands or anything to mention. I'm just talking about not just the good. It is, it's a really good one. It's used quite heavily in aerobetic medicine.

Starting point is 00:04:47 It actually raised testosterone too if you have low testosterone in men. I'm not taking it for that particular reason. I like to take it because it balances me out when I'm having a lot of caffeine. Yeah. I've also, if it's a deal of stress too, right? Oh, it's a balancing, right?

Starting point is 00:05:03 I just felt balanced it out. I've also in the past, I've cycled in and out of using cordiceps, which I've talked to you guys about. Do you guys know the history of cordiceps in terms of the popularity of cordiceps in this country? I don't school me on your fungus. So, you know it's a fungus. There's a fungus.

Starting point is 00:05:19 Amongus. You know it's a fungus. And his name is Sal. Every day you surprise me. Every day, that was that impressive, huh? Well, just every day, there's something new that I learned about me. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:30 But, so Cordecepts got... I tend to be dumb. So, I forgot what your Olympics it was. It's a lot of work. I don't remember what your Olympics it was, but the Chinese swim team, women's swim team, was crushing everybody and their performance performance and they were attributing their progress or at least their performance to the use of cordiceps, not because they

Starting point is 00:05:54 were taking steroids. But it was the cordiceps. So then all this attention went to what cordiceps do for the body and what they're good. And here's the funny thing about courteseps. It's a fungus that grows in caterpillars. No joke. It takes over inside their body. It fucking takes over. I think it's caterpillars. If I'm maybe Doug, you can look this up. I think you're right. I think I've never seen that.

Starting point is 00:06:18 It's a parasitic fungus, which all fungi are parasitic in some way. And it takes over. It realizes the host. It takes over the fucking caterpillar and it grows out and then the caterpillar's dead and then it becomes this fungus that grows out of this caterpillar. Is this how they figured out?

Starting point is 00:06:34 Is there like some tribe somewhere that like eats caterpillars on a regular basis and they found out like this? And I got this. Wow, I feel great. Right, I feel so mentally sharp today. You know, like one of those caterpillars I ate, dude, you gotta do it.

Starting point is 00:06:46 You gotta think to yourself. That's how we figure this out. Well, I wanna know who the first guy to do all the shit was. Like, what a brave simple bitch, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. Ooh, this caterpillar looks a little funky.

Starting point is 00:06:57 Let's put that in my mouth. Yeah, so, oh, there it is. So, what does it grow out of their dug? Is it out of a caterpillar? Am I right on this? Arthropod. Out of arthropods.? Is it out of a caterpillar? Am I right on this? Arthropods. Out of arthropods. So it's not just caterpillars. It's insects that belong to that category of insects. Not sure what arthropods are. But

Starting point is 00:07:16 Don't worry our boy Mark Forell will definitely school you on the forum later today. It's his favorite thing to do. So anyway, shout out to Mark, Smarty Pants. I love it when he gives us pretend compliments. You're saying. He's like, yeah, guys, you guys are interviewing people and try really hard. And you guys, you know, he says same shit. I know exactly what we're gonna say.

Starting point is 00:07:43 But it's really good. I'm like, what? What happened? It's like a thing. It's like, yeah, you know, it's like a shit sandwich. That's what that is. It's like your fat, but it looks good on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We only wear it well.

Starting point is 00:07:52 Yeah. But anyway, so this, this is just disgusting images that you can't do. Oh my god, Doug. So anyway, disturbing. This particular fungus has properties. If you read about cordi-steps, it's spelled by the way, CORDYCEPS. It's one of my favorite supplements to play around with. It's been for a long time.

Starting point is 00:08:14 It has... No, I remember when we were at Paleo Effects, how excited you got when you got a chance to meet the four-segmentic guys. Well, those guys just own, am I, my opinion, they own the market on fun guy supplements because they do the dual extraction. I was gonna ask you, what is it that they're doing that's better than, because I know there's a lot of companies that are starting to get into this.

Starting point is 00:08:35 It's becoming very popular. I see it now, even in your normal supplement shops, my buddy was just talking about, he's a supplement shop owner, he owns two of them, and he's like, this is like the hottest thing right now to get a hold of. What is it about that company that you like so much? Because you were the one that introduced it to me. So when we went to Paleo Effects, I was like,

Starting point is 00:08:53 fuck, I am gonna talk to these people and we met one of the like, I don't think he was a CEO, but he was a decision maker. He was like, he was a big shot. So I was able to talk science with him. But anyway, the thing about mushrooms that's interesting is when you use them as, when you use them additionally, or as a supplement, there are things you can extract,

Starting point is 00:09:13 you can get from the fungus when you do like a dry extract and things you can get from a water extract and they're both different. So in like, in aerovetic medicine, they'll use one for certain things. Like here's the water extract for these particular things and here's the dry extract for these other particular things. Well, for sigmatic does dual extract with all of it,

Starting point is 00:09:36 so you get everything with their process. And I've always just liked their product. Ever since I started using them, it's the best, those are the best mushroom based supplements I've ever used. But Cordiseps, when I do it with my coffee in the morning with my workouts, I don't notice a huge effect with my,

Starting point is 00:09:54 like phase one style training. So if I'm going heavy and doing few reps, I don't notice a ton. When I notice an effect is when I'm doing my supersets. I'm so more stamina. Yes, it's a stamina supplement. So when I was doing jujitsu, cordy steps got really popular with the jujitsu guys

Starting point is 00:10:09 that I trained because you do notice more stamina. Is that where you got it introduced to at first was in jujitsu? Yeah, that's the first time I started to take out. Oh, so that's a long time ago. I've been, I've been, and it's fairly new to me. I did not. Cordy steps have been around for thousands of years.

Starting point is 00:10:22 But I, I feel like I've never heard the fitness industry talk about it as much as I have in the last probably two or three years. Yeah. No, it's getting a little more popular. Just where you introduced to it before then? No. This is the first time I've really heard it being introduced, you know, in the fitness world anyway.

Starting point is 00:10:39 Yeah. So some companies will take what they think are the active ingredients at a core step, and then they'll concentrate them and turn them into, and they'll say, okay, this one has the highest amount of this particular thing. The reason why I don't necessarily like that. Leave it to Big Herba or Farma. Yeah, and the reason why I don't necessarily like that.

Starting point is 00:10:58 Stract did multiply it, sell it for more. Yeah, it's because they concentrate the fuck out of it. I mean, then you kind of, okay, so all these plants and herbs and stuff that have been used for a long time have been used a particular way for a long time. So what we know of how they work is based off of that. When you start taking individual things out of it and concentrating them, now we no longer know what they necessarily do and there may be more potential side effects or it might even be less

Starting point is 00:11:26 effective. You know what I'm saying? So anyhow, yeah, I did this morning, I did like a faster paste, superset type workout. And I just noticed that I don't get you know when you start to get at a breath and you're pushing yourself and you almost feel like you just can't anymore. And have you ever been in those zone workouts where you're pushing yourself and even though you're exhausted, you almost feel like you just can't anymore. And have you ever been in those zone workouts where you're pushing yourself and even though you're exhausted, you just feel like you can keep going. I get more of a motor. Yeah, I get more of that with cortisaps. That's cool.

Starting point is 00:11:54 I like to cycle it, so I'll take cortisaps with my endurance-based workouts. Yeah, I was going to say that's probably the only endurance version. I see in your guys training for the most part, right? The more super sad or muscle, yeah, muscle endurance. Yeah, so it's like phase three style training, like phase three that you'll find in, or even more. Off to try that in, I started to pull him out.

Starting point is 00:12:13 I started to pull him out. That's when, that's, I'm gonna try that. It's huge for that, it's huge sleep. So now on the supplements, since we're on the topic of supplements, I just read something very fascinating that I'm gonna post about a little later today on Instagram, it's gonna piss everybody off, you know, my favorite kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:12:30 Yay! So, sucralos are favorite artificial sweetener to hate on, only because it's the one that's most common. Yeah, and they're present and everything. In shitty supplements. I did not know this. This is interesting now. This is based on a site that I'm reading

Starting point is 00:12:48 and I did a little cross reference and I found that they were actually pretty accurate with this information. So there are some potential negative side effects to sucralose and there is an acceptable daily intake that is recommended by the FDA. So the FDA actually says, here's the acceptable daily intake of sucrose.

Starting point is 00:13:08 Now, two things, one, I don't trust the FDA as far as I can throw them. So, and there are massive organizations, so I can't throw them very far. Don't trust them that much. So, whatever their saying is acceptable, I will always venture to say, way less is acceptable or none. Nonetheless, they've identified is acceptable, I will always venture to say, way less is acceptable

Starting point is 00:13:25 or none. Nonetheless, they've identified an acceptable daily intake where they actually find, if you eat more than this, that they have identified. The FDA has actually identified negative effects, negative side effects, including long-term side effects. And that acceptable amount, based on the FDA, is 5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. So let's do some in simple like a... So a 150 pound man, it would be 340 milligrams of sucralosa day is what they're saying is

Starting point is 00:13:55 acceptable daily intake. And remember, their studies are a grand total of six weeks, 12 weeks long. I still don't trust it. But still, right, 340 milligrams. A can of soda will contain approximately 40 milligrams and one can of soda, a typical can of soda. And one, by the way, the soda is down. By the way, one Splendip packet is about 5 milligrams.

Starting point is 00:14:19 So that's whatever, right? So based on the FDA, you're probably safe. Based on our opinion, I'd say probably not a good idea, but nonetheless, you guys get the drift of what I'm trying to say here. Now, this particular company took one of the more popular pre-workout supplements and got information from them. Did they list the name or no?

Starting point is 00:14:39 No. I'm not going to list the name either. I know what it is, but I'm not going list the name either. I know what it is but I'm not gonna say it. And this popular pre-workout supplement, which I would assume most are probably just like. Are around here. Yeah, right. Because most of them have all the blueberry razz and bubble gum, whatever.

Starting point is 00:14:55 Lightning lemonade. It's like a dragon lemon. And all that shit. Not to mention the colors and shit they put in to make it look the way it does, right? But anyway, you pee brightness. It's not even a color. It's just brightness.

Starting point is 00:15:08 Coming out of my mouth. When you pee in the dark. So this popular pre-workout supplement, Per serving, contains 334 milligrams of sucralose. That's approximately 30 packets of Splenda. What is it, I'm confused. Yeah, how does it have so much? Well, they put it in there. I know, but what?

Starting point is 00:15:36 What? Does it really necessary to get it that sweet? To that? That's what sells pre-workout supplements. There? Well, what's cell pre-workout supplements? There's only two things that sell a pre-workout. Or does it taste that bad otherwise? Well, because it's like horrible. Have you ever had, okay, so-

Starting point is 00:15:52 Well, we've made our natural one before. We've made our natural one before. And it tastes like- Remember when we did that? When I had you guys taste the like, what's this? I was trying to have that for a very long time, actually. And I still recommend to people that, I'll be the

Starting point is 00:16:05 first to admit. Here's the deal. Like, you know, back to, I've been training hard again. And we've had some days where I've been up here back to back with interviews and so that 5 a.m. And I've been trying to be consistent about the gym. And I'm like, I need something to fuck and get me up. I need a pre workout type of drink. And so I make our, my, our own ingredient, our individual ingredients. I was trying to think of a comparison. I was like, hmm, maybe a trolls asshole. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:31 For what? For what? Oh, yeah. The one that we made. Yeah. It tastes like, to me, it tasted like ground up bones. Almost. Ground up bones?

Starting point is 00:16:39 Yeah, like it's like, remember how it's called? I want to taste like, like, bitter lemon water. Oh, that's because of the citrally. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's, to me, it's like, it didn't have it tastes like bitter lemon water. Oh, that's because of the citrulline. Yeah, it's a tummy. It didn't have a little lemon water. But anyway, 334 milligrams of splendor or sucralose in a serving of pre-workout. And remember, I just said that the FDA,

Starting point is 00:16:57 which we don't trust anyway, says that that's already, you've already hit your max limit. Now, if you consider the average person who is super into fitness, they're probably having what every day? Pre-workout, protein shake, protein shake. Pre-workout, we gotta have it before you work out. They're probably having two shakes a day

Starting point is 00:17:14 and a fucking pre-workout. They're probably well above with the FDA. So they've doubled down on the FDA. That's what the pre-workout is. What are these protein shakes? What are like a kookies and cream from? So here's the fucking problem. Look at the problem.

Starting point is 00:17:26 Here's the problem. None of them, none of them will list on their label how many milligrams of sucralose are in there. None of them. If you look, go ahead and buy a protein powder, look on the back and it'll say sucralose is an ingredient but it won't tell you how much they're not, they don't have to.

Starting point is 00:17:44 It's not law. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, so you don't know. We don't know what's going they're not, they're not, they don't have to. It's not law. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So you don't know. We don't know what's going on. I wonder if like the law, I wonder with the look into this, I wonder if like, because FDA regulates it somewhat. So I wonder if the law is as long as it's under what they, FDA regulates is the daily.

Starting point is 00:17:59 Nope. No. No, that's so loosely regulated. It's not, there is no, well, I know the FDA doesn't regulate supplements period. Yeah, I know that yeah, so so how do they get away with that then that's fucking crazy Because they do they so here's here's here's how the here's how the supplement You're gonna say when your mom used to ground you you're grounded. Why? Why? Therefore I am yeah, well, I mean you know how though you know how it works

Starting point is 00:18:23 They they do what they want to do until someone tells them that they can't. And then say, stop. Mind pump tells them to stop. Yeah. So knock it off, which is, which is, I mean, that's why we've always advocated the natural route. Because my finger, they're going to flavor it with things like, you know, what is that? Monk fruit extract instead of yet.

Starting point is 00:18:41 And that kind of stuff, which is, I mean, so far as we know, a lot better. But yeah, trip off that. So if you're taking all these supplements, like your artificially sweetened supplements and you may be throwing a diet soda or a diet monster on top of it, you're above what the FDA says is safe. And the FDA is full of shit anyway. So holy cow, right?

Starting point is 00:19:05 No wonder are you getting all these access, man. Yeah, and we've talked about this on previous podcasts, but artificial sweeteners like Aspertain, sucralose. What did you say that does the FDA go into when you're beyond that? What are some of the side effects that they say with the needle? That's a good question.

Starting point is 00:19:23 I don't know. I think so the side effects that the FDA they say with the needle? That's a good question, I don't know. I don't know, I think. That's the interesting thing. So the side effects that the FDA is looking for are things like that are reported, you know, reported side effects. Like, you were a bit like dizziness or headache or you know, that kind of stuff. Naja, you know, diarrhea, whatever.

Starting point is 00:19:36 They don't examine, they don't examine the one thing that because they never knew to look for it. That we know, sucralose really has a bad impact on, which has gut flora, because sucralose, although it may not interact with human cells, it does interact and affect bacteria. What did Dr. Ruscio say? I know you guys talked a little bit about this. What was his intake or take on all this?

Starting point is 00:20:00 Did you talk to him at all about it? He's, yeah, he's like, don't. I mean, that was all. Yeah, he's like, it's not a good idea. It's, it's, he said it's probably not a good idea. So an alternative, a better alternative would be something that's sweet with stevia, obviously. Right. Stevia is your, your, your better alternative, your best alternative is nothing. Right. Any sweet real. I mean, let's be, it's, it's impossible to find something even like your best organic products and so like that are going to be sweetened with stevia. So that, so it doesn't taste like dog shit when you're drinking it right right

Starting point is 00:20:28 and at least at least that's coming from a stevia plant right I mean yeah I feel like that's and it's interesting. A lesser evil of of them. Yeah. Even that we say take that in moderation you still should go for whole foods but like I say all the time it's impossible for me to get my my protein. I would just day in and day out without supplementing some. Rule of thumb, just go organic and natural. Those two things alone will do a big, will make a big impact in terms of,

Starting point is 00:20:56 the healthier gut in long term, potential long term effects. Again, remember, there's no really long term studies because how would you fund one? Like how would you take a bunch of people and give them sucralos on a regular basis and study them for 30 years? I don't even, it hasn't even been a market at all.

Starting point is 00:21:12 Right. You know what, not to take a detour, but I'm going to. Did you guys, had you guys see the preview for the movie Atomic Blonde? I have seen the preview for it. Okay, so I totally did not want to watch it because it looks like a super. It's starting to turn. It's starting to turn.

Starting point is 00:21:26 It's a female version of James Bond. Okay. I went and saw it. It was good. You liked it? Yeah, I did. I didn't think it'd be good. It was really good.

Starting point is 00:21:35 I like her, though. It was done. It was done. I got to look and see who the director was because I could tell that the film was it was shot it was unique right reminding me of like watching a like a Quentin Tarotino film although it wasn't like there's a flavor to it. Yeah exactly that's thank you there's there's a there's a special flavor to it that's not traditional I love films

Starting point is 00:22:00 like that I love films that are shot. I watch so many movies so to get something so you like Sin City. Yeah exactly stuff like that that I love films that are shot different. I watch so many movies so to get something so you like Sin City. Yeah exactly. Stuff like that that's just kind of off the wall. Graphically cool. A lot of them. Story told from different angle. You know what I'm saying? Like not your typical film that's super predictable. So I know that that's why it doesn't get like it didn't get like a 90% review because I think the simpler Like pulp comic or they're some kind of genre for is there well this time My god. Yeah, it wasn't since city ish But it where was like since it is that it's shot differently right?

Starting point is 00:22:36 So that's what I mean by oh, then I'll go watch it because I don't want to watch it because it looked to me like you're typical like Oh, okay, you know special, killing people and it's all, you know, all these like special effects and slow motion fights and all that stuff. But if it's like you're saying, no, it's cool. And I'm in enough was going on with it that it makes me want to watch it again. Because I know I was actually kind of trying to figure it out for the first bit. Like, okay, what's going on here? She's what was that one movie with it was English special agents. It was rather part two just came out. What's it called?? What was that one movie with, it was English special agents.

Starting point is 00:23:05 It was rather recent. Part two just came out. What's it called? It's Kingsman. Kingsman. Fucking good movie. Great movie. That was a movie that surprised me.

Starting point is 00:23:12 Oh, right. The end. Oh yeah. That was a really good, surprising movie. Part two just is either coming out or just came out. Part of the second one. I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, I wanna watch it.

Starting point is 00:23:22 Yeah, the first one was great. You know, there's one movie I think I've brought it up on the show before that the movie, the one movie that I can think of right now that surprised me the most. You know, you're ever going to a movie and you're like, this is gonna suck. And at the end of it, you're like, wow, that was actually a really fucking fun movie to watch.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Machita or whatever. No, no, no, I felt like that movie would be awesome. I thought, Pacific Rim. Yeah, I saw that. Did you, were you surprised by that guy? I saw that on TV, I think. Yeah, it had, I don't know if I saw that. Yeah, that one actor, I like him a lot.

Starting point is 00:23:55 Egris. Is that Egris? Black dude? You know I've been told that looked like that guy by several people. Did you just say he's a black dude? Yeah. And he looks like,

Starting point is 00:24:04 Hey man, I'm Sicilian. Yeah, he get the, what are you gonna do? I got the, I think he's way more handsome than you, bro. Well, I, of course, he is, he's, he we is, but. Yeah, I had, I heard rumors like he was thinking of doing James Bond while back. What's his name? That would have been cool.

Starting point is 00:24:20 Eager is something. We gotta find out what he's, Eager's alba, I think. Is it? Yeah, something like that. A lot, a lot of people The reggae bastard it You notice we have a oh eedress Idris my bad this guy. So this do I look like this guy right here?

Starting point is 00:24:33 Let me see a little bit. Yeah, we we know I don't do a mind pump IG post of like I do like that guy I've been told literally gotten so I'm gonna I'm gonna do like a split screen and what we'll vote I've gotten DMs from people who said I look like him if you were a black guy. You would kind of look at that He is even though your guns are built different to though. No, we're kind of this look It he's got a little bit of that narrow muscularity. He's got some good forums. You know me kind of looks like me a little Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. He's got the white hairs Yeah, I'm gonna be some beer and he is he was the main guy in one of my favorite, all-time favorite TV series. A must, the wire.

Starting point is 00:25:10 The only series that I have watched three times. I've never in my life watched three times I've watched a series over. That's how fucking good it is. You watched a lot of TV, dude. I do. I do. I tried to do those things. I do a lot of TV. I do I watch a lot of TV. I do I tried to do that I do a lot of things but I couldn't uh, yeah, are you a multi-fascar ever since ever since I started listening these books on three speed I got all kinds of extra time and watch movies now The three speed doesn't exist You gotta train up to that. I think you are Neil from the major

Starting point is 00:25:42 I that's a page of a John Williams book. And when he said that, like this, I just would boom, like just knowledge bomb from him. I was like, what? You can listen to it faster. And then the first time I did it, I remember going like, this is not gonna work. It's gonna be, I already have a hard time paying attention. If I speed it up, it's gonna be worse.

Starting point is 00:25:59 But the opposite is true. Because it's so fast, it pays close attention. Exactly. It forces, it's like the whole concept, we talk about flow state, how when people do a back flip off of the thing, how it's everything slows down for them. The same thing works in your mind when you're reading a book

Starting point is 00:26:16 at super high speeds, you have to really focus to retain it all and you just progress up. Like so I started at 1.25, then.5 then 1.75 then 2 then 2 now I actually don't listen to 3 I listen about 2 and a half is then depends on who's reading the book because of it somebody Half how do you get all the storage on your phone because I keep wanting to add all these I have to hold on dude I'm gonna have to do that. I'm gonna play I'm gonna play our podcast I'm gonna play our podcast to get a book and it just kills my cuz I want to see what it sounds like No, we only goes up to two for podcast. Let's see

Starting point is 00:26:55 Wow, you listen to faster than that. Wow, that's annoying. Well, we suck. I don't get a no way fast You know what I at first it was you remember I didn it was, you gotta remember, I didn't go from, like I just said, I didn't go from, yeah, I worked my way up. So when I first went into, when you go from one to one point two five, there's just a little bit of difference. It just cuts out the dead air. Then from one point two five to one five,

Starting point is 00:27:15 then it sounds sped up. Actually, when someone puts on, like so everyone's walk a train, and I, when we're listening, it will slow the book down, because we're like, we're not speed reading. We're just enjoying this time together. So we'll listen to it slower. It kind of annoys me, it will slow the book down because we're like, yeah, we're not speed reading. We're just enjoying this time together.

Starting point is 00:27:26 So we'll listen to it slower. It kind of annoys me because it's slow. You sound like the micr machines guy. I'm gonna go that fast. I'm telling you guys right now that that was, you know, you talk about all the cool things that we've picked up from our guests that have been like great knowledge bombs

Starting point is 00:27:43 and things that we, Tom, Bill, you giving me that piece. that piece I feel like it's I mean I've been able to rip through books at a faster speed and retain as much if not more than what I have. So here's the thing with that. So you you've you've said this many times on the podcast how when you read like not listen read how you have trouble assimilating information by reading visually, but listening audio, you know, audibly, you, you do much better, right? Much better. I'm the opposite. So I can definitely listen, but for me to really retain it, to retain it, I need to have someone there with me to talk about it while we're doing it. I need pictures. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:21 Yeah. Coloring book. Yeah, coloring book. I'm visual. Just like I'm not reading. This is no pictures. Stupid is a stupid book. How do I understand this? I'm visual.

Starting point is 00:28:33 If you give me a book, I can blow through it very quickly. I can read very fast and I absorb it. Well, so I do better visually than I do auto. I do though. Every book that I do audio, I also purchase because a lot of times what I'll do is let's say I'm reading through and I you know Went through a couple chapters that night or that day that I really liked I'll go back through the book It actually highlights certain things that I want to remember so I can reference it later on and between Reading like that highlighting the book like mean, I retain the information.

Starting point is 00:29:05 Still, unfortunately though, with all that, I'm still not at the level where you, the way you can, I blows my mind how you can regurgitate something like that we all have read, we'll read a fucking study together, literally. And then you'll get on the pod. It's immediately gone out of my head. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:29:21 And like I absorb the information and I now have that knowledge, I feel like, but in order to teach it, I need to fuck it up four or five times and hear someone else talk about it again and have dialogue about it. Then I feel like I can share it where I feel you have the ability to turn around right after you've heard information. Super power cell.

Starting point is 00:29:37 It is definitely a superpower you have. And I've tried to teach myself, but it just doesn't happen. It's, I can't have everything. It's not super power. I'll be honest with you but it just doesn't happen. It's, get everything. It's not super power. I'll be honest with you. It's totally self selective. I don't know how or what to control. Like I will, I will forget shit that I shouldn't forget.

Starting point is 00:29:54 I should not forget like the other day I was ordering something online, okay? This is true story now. And I asked for my address, forgot. I forgot my fucking address dude. Literally could not remember my fucking address. I had to go on my phone and go and do the map and be like, home, what is that?

Starting point is 00:30:11 Oh yeah, there it is. I will forget, I'll have a client that I'll train for 10 years, I'll run into him at the grocery store and I'll be like, I don't remember your name. I remember your workouts, I remember your imbalances, I remember our conversation. You benched 165.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Do you know I'm barricading that is to go to the grocery store with a family member or something, right? And then run into someone who I've subbed. Hey guy. Bro, it's been like, you know, it's only been like six months as I've seen this person, and I'll be with someone, and then it's time to do the introduction.

Starting point is 00:30:44 So I end up introducing the person I know and I'll tell God they say, so I struggle that. Oh, it's horrible. But then I'll remember like, oh, there are only 14 people in that study. It was only 12 weeks long and the controls will be like, you know, thankfully I have a podcast where I can use this bullshit because I am complete waste to fucking know that it's a complete waste is purely applicable for what we do it's all good it's a complete waste yeah okay this quaz brought to you by organify for those days you fall

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Starting point is 00:31:47 I'm gonna say this. Last time that she had a question like six months ago, my uncle inboxed me to let me know that that was her. And I said, yes, I know that was her. Did you know? Did you know? You guys are wise. I'm gonna say this.

Starting point is 00:31:59 I told myself the next time you guys picked one of her questions that I'll give her some love. After meeting your cousin, I can say now with good, strong, like, confirmation. Like, you've got attractive genetics. And your family, he's hitting on you. Oh, yeah. Just feeding into it. You already know she likes you more, bro.

Starting point is 00:32:17 Stop it. No, she doesn't. Did you say that? Did you say she likes the most? That was the favorite. Yeah, that's right. I remember that. Of course. That's weird. The Italian side., oh my God. Yeah, because he speaks in certain

Starting point is 00:32:27 tease. Everybody loves that shit. Oh God. Tell me more. He says it. Yeah. He says it so confidently. It must be true. Yeah. Everything. Just just poured on me. All right. I started out. Yeah. All right. Here we go. What do you say to a person who said they are going vegan, made them feel way better? Is it still everything in moderation, or would you say some people would benefit from cutting out meat completely?

Starting point is 00:32:53 Yes and no. Yeah, so it's a great question, because we talk about moderation, we talk about balance, we talk about the benefits of different ways of eating, but there's one rule, there's one ring to rule them all. Now there's one rule that is above all. Great reference. That is above everything when it comes to nutrition,

Starting point is 00:33:13 exercise, whatever you're doing. The one rule is this, listen to your body. Okay, so I don't care what I say on the podcast or what Adam says or what Justin says or what your doctor says. I don't care what I say on the podcast or what Adam says or what Justin says or what your doctor says or what I say anybody says to you In terms of this is the best thing to do and this is what's healthy and whatever At the end of the day and of course you have to be in a healthy state of mind So if you're if you're crazy don't listen to your body because you might be

Starting point is 00:33:42 Some crazy. Yeah, I identify that you're crazy right? Identify identify the good connection. Am I crazy? Listen to your body because I've had clients like this. I actually, so I used to train this anesthesiologist Mike, if you're listening right now, he's a good he's a big fan of ours. Love the guy. Super intelligent human being. One of the smartest people I've ever met and we would have these conversations about nutrition. And his expertise wasn't nutrition, but he was just an intelligent human being. And he

Starting point is 00:34:18 was vegan. And his goal was to build muscle with me. So I would try and see if I can talk him into considering eating meat because there's certain things that you find in meat that are beneficial, that you may not be able to find, or at least it's hard to find in plant. And there's obviously benefits to building muscle from eating meat for many people. And I told them about creatine and how you may need to supplement creatine because study show that vegans actually get a boost in IQ. Ironically, I'm telling a fucking genius this, but they get a boost in IQ. Ironically, I'm telling you, I'm a fucking genius this, but they get a boost in IQ when they take creative team, probably because they're not getting it

Starting point is 00:34:50 from plant sources. And so we're going back and forth. And I'm like, well, what made you go vegan in the first place? And he goes, well, he had traveled with, I don't know if you guys are familiar with doctors without borders. Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:35:02 Yeah. So it's this. Great cause. Amazing organization. Wonderful organization. And by the way, I know I talk about Western medicine and sometimes I have a bad, I say bad things about it, but I have a lot of friends who are doctors and every single one of them does it for the right reasons. I actually have yet to meet one and personally where I'm like, oh, this is a crappy person.

Starting point is 00:35:22 Every single one of them truly wants to help people. And all the ones that I worked with, let's say I've probably trained maybe 14 or 15 doctors and surgeons, and I think all but two of them actually would volunteer time every single year and would travel out of their own pocket to some of these places and live in these horrible conditions just to provide anesthesia for children for cleft

Starting point is 00:35:48 palate surgery or for whatever. So anyway, he traveled with doctors without borders and he traveled. I forgot where it was, but it was a high altitude. There was lots of hiking and lots of physical activity in order to get to some of these areas to donate his services. He was anesthesiologists. And he told me how he was just exhausted. He was a collegiate level highly competitive swimmer. So he was an athlete growing up and he said he would just get fucking exhausted.

Starting point is 00:36:19 Well, anyway, he started eating like the locals ate and where he was, they ate vegan. And he said he couldn't believe how good he felt. Like he had all this energy, his digestion felt better. And he just, just in general, he just felt so much better. When he came back to the States, he started eating meat again and immediately noticed the difference. And he went back to eating largely vegan diet and every once in a while I think he throws in like dairy,

Starting point is 00:36:53 but he says he just feels amazing doing it on all levels. And I'm not gonna argue with that. I'm not gonna debate that, you know, sure meat has got things in it. I'm not gonna debate that, but know, sure meat has got things in it. I'm not gonna debate that, but I feel like I have to chime in because what I have found with clients, where this is true, like exactly, I have stories just like this, where a client has gone beginning and they've been like, oh my God, this is it for me, right?

Starting point is 00:37:22 And the common denominator in all of them is this, they before that, they weren't on any diet. So one, already being conscious of what you're eating, you'd be surprised on just what tracking does, right? Just because you start paying attention to what you're consuming, how much better people start to feel when they're more aware of the things that they're consuming. Well, that's a good point. So vegan, you have to plan.

Starting point is 00:37:47 Yeah, absolutely. This is just one of the points. I mean, the other big one when it comes to vegan is you end up eating a shitload of veggies that, and I'll tell you right now, personally, I don't even come close to eating enough veggies. It's the reason why I've been drinking, and I've been drinking the green juice lately, and I notice a huge difference already. And it's like, I don't think it's because the green juice is so special. It's because I'm lacking there.

Starting point is 00:38:13 I'm not getting enough of that. And when I introduce it into my diet, I feel so much better. And this is what's really common with clients is, now that they have this diet, where also they can't eat all this meat, and they have to eat really within these strict borders. It also and they end up eating all these great colors and different veggies that they weren't consuming and eating an abundance of it.

Starting point is 00:38:36 And I'm talking to three, four times more than what they were. And there's a lot of great benefits that we get from eating all these vegetables. And that is what they're really noticing. It's not the, I'm not eating meat anymore. It's that, oh, now I'm starting to get a lot of these foods I was missing before that are so high in nutrients, and now that I'm feeding that in my body, opposed to all this other shit that was in my diet,

Starting point is 00:39:01 now I feel amazing. I think, you know, exactly what you said, like I've always kind I think, you know, exactly what you said. Like I've always kind of like thought, you know, maybe this is just because they haven't had enough vegetables in their diet. And, you know, for a blanket like across the board, that's primarily the majority of people. That's why they gravitate to that particular diet the most.

Starting point is 00:39:21 I was just talking to like a Iran actually, when we were doing the podcast with Josh Trent on wellness force and he actually is vegan but what was interesting about him is like he is an insanely dialed in tracker right. So he actually went through I think it was like 24 different types of diets and then led him to, you know, even pursue going for, you know, learning more and more about nutrition and, and get into the level where he is today. And he just like, and having like monitoring this process and having this continuous glucose monitor and, you know, tracking. But like what he found with you know his body actually responds better

Starting point is 00:40:06 So I mean the thing is like everybody has you know a very individualized You know makeup so like a blueprint that that works best for them And so I think that you know to be able to get to that place, you really have to do, you know, that due diligence and get to the point where you really know yourself. Well, no, that's a great point. Because vegan, well, by the way, well planned, because you can just stop eating meat and you can eat garbage.

Starting point is 00:40:37 Right. You can eat nothing but potato chips and soy burgers and have you guys seen, I know you guys have, but for the listeners, like you go look at the meatless category of processed foods and it's more processed and it has more the iron ingredients than, you know, more processed food than, yeah, a lot of cases are you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Starting point is 00:41:01 You're trading out these symptoms that make you feel better to get some other potential symptoms that may not make you feel so good in the long run because you're eating all this process shit. So, I mean, no matter what, if somebody is working for somebody and they like it and it's conducive with their lifestyle, I'm pro whatever. I'm pro you eating better. If it makes you feel better, it's easy for your lifestyle. But what I don't like is when people attach that with, oh, it's because I'm vegan. Like, well, do you really, do you, are you somebody who pays it to, and this is like, I mean, Sal and I, I remember back in the days, we used to go back and forth with this stuff. Like when people start speculating

Starting point is 00:41:37 on how they feel, and we're talking about someone like Sal, who I think is on a whole other level of awareness with nutrition. And I still challenge him when he talks about how he feels, when he's not tracking. So you can't tell him, and if a client came to me and said, like, oh, I've been eating this way, and I feel really good because of this, it's like, well, what were you tracking before,

Starting point is 00:41:55 and do you know your water, do you know your sleep, do you know what you've been doing exercise-wise? I do know how much sun you've been getting lately. Do you know if your carbon take is increased? Do you know if you're eating less process? I mean, there's so many variables that can make you feel good or bad that you could be doing more or less of now and to attach it to a diet, I don't like. Well, a vegan diet, a well-planned vegan diet is a massive upgrade to the standard American diet. So any diet is in that minute. Any level of tracking, if you go

Starting point is 00:42:25 on the paylion, understanding was going to get your mouth is a step in the right. The card of our diet. I mean, every diet, anything that is put together for whatever spin they put on it for health reasons is better than what the American diet is. Now that being said, there definitely are people

Starting point is 00:42:45 who simply do not tolerate animal sources of food very well. Right, this is fantastic. And they range everything from allergies to just regular food intolerances. And here's what you want to consider too when it comes to veg, we're talking about eat lots of vegetables, right? I don't care what you eat, generally speaking,

Starting point is 00:43:04 and I say general because it's always exceptions, but generally speaking, the bulk of your food should be plant, should be well planned, well sourced plants. I mean, if you consider, again, if we go back to evolution, if we're hunter-gatherers, you gotta consider the cost and risk and time it takes to hunt and kill animal. I mean, if we're in a tribe, the downtime, and we're trying to survive,

Starting point is 00:43:30 and on the one hand, we've got all the available vegetables and roots and tubers and whatever that we found naturally growing, or I can say, hey, Justin and Adam, let's go hunt that fucking buffalo over there, and one of us might die doing it is very dangerous, we might not even kill it, it can take a long time, it takes a lot of energy to chase that thing down and kill it and carry it back, I mean vegetables are

Starting point is 00:43:53 easy to hunt, if they're there you get them and you eat them and it's not a problem, this is why the agricultural revolution exploded the human population because we no longer had to do this very expensive dangerous thing called hunting. So throughout all human evolution, most tribes probably went vegan when they could. And then when they couldn't, that's when they became hunters and then they ate the hell out of meat. So there's definite benefits for a lot of people, for some people, I should say, to avoiding meat products. But, and then there's also this side of it, okay?

Starting point is 00:44:26 Most vegans who are long-term vegans, don't do it for health. Most vegans who are long-term vegans do it for moral reasons. And that's just the fact. Statistically speaking, if somebody becomes a vegan for health, the odds that they'll stay vegan are very small because their motivation behind it

Starting point is 00:44:44 isn't as powerful as a moral reason. When people do things for moral reasons, when it becomes a fabric of who they are and it's their belief system and they believe killing animals is immoral for any reason, their motivation to not eat animal products is very, very strong. Which I understand more of that. And that being said, that being said, if's don't throw blood on me. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's gonna be enough. That being said, if it makes you feel better emotionally

Starting point is 00:45:11 or spiritually or whatever you wanna call it, to not eat animal products, is that gonna make you healthier? Yeah, that too is gonna make you healthier. So at the end of the day, I always circle back to listening to your body and learn how to listen to your body first and then listen to your body. I'm actually right now in the midst of really working on the new nutrition guide.

Starting point is 00:45:35 And that's a big part of it is listening to your body, but also teaching how to listen to your body because for so long, we've learned to ignore. I want to make it a point to, though, that I think is important that we didn't talk about with vegans is almost every vegan that I've trained that has came to me and has wanted to build muscle. They tend to have the hardest time because not getting things like meat in your diet, it becomes challenging to get enough protein.

Starting point is 00:46:00 Can it be done? Absolutely. There's vegan bodybuilders. So there's definitely people that can be vegan and that can build muscle. I'm not saying that's not possible, but they tend to have a really hard time hitting their protein targets when you're vegan. So that adds a new challenge. So if you're somebody who's already really skinny and you're trying to build muscle and then you're also trying to be on this vegan diet because you think that's a better way of living or healthier way for you to live, that's something to take into consideration also that

Starting point is 00:46:27 well how important is it for you to build muscle because if you're really trying to build muscle meanwhile all you're doing is eating all these leafy greens you're having a hard time eating those protein. Bottom line is just simply the bottom line is most vegans at some point have to supplement. It's a fact there are certain nutrients you simply do not find in plants that you have to get from animal sources. And I mean, again, I talk about creatine. They've done several studies. You give creatine to the average person who eats meat

Starting point is 00:46:56 and there's no boost in cognitive function. There's a boost in cognitive function with vegans when they take creatine. That alone will tell you that there's something lacking in their diet that they're not getting. Next question is from Rocky, Mitolo. What is the hardest or most sensitive topic for each of you to discuss? I like that question. Wow, I didn't see that coming.

Starting point is 00:47:17 Who picked this one? Uncle Sal. Uncle Sal. I almost feel like we should pick it for each other. Because I don't, let's not. Really, you want to see what? We just start poking at each other. Well, I'll poke on myself. Poke your own.

Starting point is 00:47:32 If you guys don't know what yours, I know right away I had an issue with this, this couple days, past couple days. Oh, you got well, then share then for sure. So, right now, and this is different for me, depending on whenever, you know, throughout my life, right? What's sensitive for me now, hopefully will not be a sensitive topic in five or 10 years,

Starting point is 00:47:51 and what was sensitive for me 10 years ago is no longer sensitive. So in the past, if you asked me about body image issues, about being skinny, about, you know, all that stuff, it would have been very difficult for me to talk about. Now I talk about it, it's not a problem. It doesn't trigger me, it doesn't cause any changes, any motion, any more. It's very easy to talk about. Today as a grown man, I'm 38 years old now, and I'm better at talking about the sensitive subjects.

Starting point is 00:48:20 In fact, I will purposely talk about them, knowing that it's better to do it, but I've identified that they're very difficult to talk about and right now the biggest challenge for me by far has to do with my children and has to do with my Relatively recent divorce has been over a year and a half now that I've been divorced. It's very difficult to talk about because I'm noticing that, and right now I'm listening to a new Earth by Eckart Tolly, which by the way, very, very few books that I can, I love reading this.

Starting point is 00:48:56 Every book I read has some kind of impact on me, but very few of them I'll consider life changing. And this one is turning out to be one of those life changing books, and it might be just because of the time of my life. Right, that I'm reading what you need right now. Yeah, so I don't know if it would have been life changing if I read it You know 15 years ago, but right now it's very life changing and I'm identifying a few things and One of them is the tremendous and very painful

Starting point is 00:49:18 guilt that I feel for My divorce and it wasn't just my fault. It was definitely a mutual thing. Both me and my ex-wife agreed on the divorce, and we were very amicable during the period of breakup. It was something we both agreed needed to happen.

Starting point is 00:49:38 So it wasn't like one particular thing. So it's not like I specifically did one thing that I feel guilty about. It's just in general, I feel very, there's a lot of pain in guilt behind the divorce because of the challenges that it poses to children, especially coming from my perspective and my culture that values family and defines value in very specific ways. Like in my culture and my fat and the way I was raised, family was mom, dad, and children. And the priority of the family were the children and mom and dad worked together, worked out to get, worked things out together and stayed together for the children. And divorce was one of the worst things you could do to your kids.

Starting point is 00:50:25 Like we would talk about it when I was a kid. Like when we find out someone got divorced, it was like this unbelievable, horrible thing. The discussion was always those poor children. You know, that's a very common thing you hear my family when we talk about divorces. Oh, you know, I feel so bad for those kids to have to go through that.

Starting point is 00:50:41 And my entire family, I have a massive family. Only one, I only have one divorce from a whole family. Well now there's a few, but when I was growing up, there was none. And so it's probably what kept me married for so long. I should have, objectively speaking, we should have gotten divorced five years into our marriage.

Starting point is 00:50:59 But the guilt that I have and the pain that I have behind it affects how I am with my kids, because everything that happens now, anytime my daughter is not herself or my son is upset about something, or I'll tell you what happened the other day. This was very, very difficult to talk about, but me and my ex-wife are dual custody, so it's 50%, 50%, 50. And we both do objectively speaking when I can separate myself from this,

Starting point is 00:51:35 and I logically look at it, we do a fucking great job. We do a really good job. We both co-parent still, even though we're both divorced, but how it feels is very different. And she gets them for a week and I'll get them for a week. Sometimes it's different, but right now it's a week on week off. And, you know, I went to, you know, I'm grabbing my kids, they're staying with my mom during the day while we're working.

Starting point is 00:52:00 And at the end of the day, you know, my daughter's asking me if she, when daughter's asking me when she's gonna see mom. And I said, oh, she might stop by today and you'll see her later or whatever. And so sure enough, my ex-wife stopped by to see the kids because we're at my mom's house. And it was time for us to leave to go home.

Starting point is 00:52:20 And my daughter didn't wanna go with me. She wanted to go with her mom. And that was, and you know, that's totally a normal thing for kids to do, especially at that age. Of course. And I'm sure this can be times when they do that to me as well. And part of the reason that she may have wanted to go with her mom

Starting point is 00:52:36 was because she has this old iPhone that she uses to play video games on and I didn't let her bring it to my house. So maybe she thinks she's gonna, whatever, whatever the reason maybe she wants to spend time with her mom who doesn't matter, right? But it hurts a lot because I feel like maybe I'm doing something wrong or, you know, she doesn't feel like she's seeing enough of either one of us. And so she's coming, you know, this is kind of challenge that's that's happening, but, you know, with her.

Starting point is 00:53:03 And I don't like to see that. And it's a very normal, because this happens in the part that sucks is the logical side of me sees no problem with this, there's no issue. My kids did this when we were together, the kids do this with parents all the time. I wanna go with that, I wanna go with mom. But because of the divorce,

Starting point is 00:53:18 I've attached all this guilt and pain behind it. And it fucking ruined me. And I had to, you know, it took me some time to really process that. It took me a whole evening, and the next day to really process through what I was feeling behind that. And it's like, it's like any time something happens, any time my kids ask for something, like, hey dad, can you buy me this?

Starting point is 00:53:40 You know, I want to buy it for them right away because I feel guilty. You know what I mean? I want to give them everything that they want. I want to make everything perfect or I want to buy it for them right away because I feel guilty. You know what I mean? I want to give them everything that they want. I want to make everything perfect or I want to do all these things or spend all this money on them and it's all driven behind this, this pain, this guilt. It's a very, very difficult sensitive topic to discuss and it's also sensitive and difficult for people around me because when this was happening, when she was saying, no, I wanna go with mom,

Starting point is 00:54:06 I wanna stay with mom tonight. I could see my parents and my son, like I could sense them thinking, like, oh shit, you know what I mean? What do we say now? What do we do now? And immediately after my mom's like, you know, it's normal for kids to do that.

Starting point is 00:54:23 I kind of feel her wanting to console me over this type of thing that's normal. And I know logically it's normal. So, you know, I identify this as a very, very good opportunity for growth as a person for myself and also as a parent for my kids. I'm already a way better father than I was when we were married. Already, I can already say that objectively, I'm a far better more connected father. But I mean, talk about being challenged. This is, I've never felt a challenge quite like this before because it's dealing with my children. And, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:02 I hope to continue to grow about it. I'm glad we had this opportunity actually to talk about it on the podcast. It makes it easier. Always therapeutic for you. Justin, you have one? That was deep, man. I don't know, like, just talking about like serious issues like that,

Starting point is 00:55:19 I think is enough for me to have difficult. Justin's like, I got a whole boat load on. I just got to go for me I feel like I've crapped you guys out, I'm sorry No, I should have gone last Yeah, yeah Well I couldn't go first because I still, that's why I deflected over to Justin because Well, yeah, go ahead

Starting point is 00:55:37 Well no, I don't go because I don't have one for you right now so that's why I defrauded There's no topic that you, I mean it's, it's the thing is like, yeah, I would talk about whatever. Like, that's the thing. Like, it just depends, it depends on like how it's all framed and I think it was difficult for me as if I get cornered and I'm trying to sort of defend my stance or like, I don't know, I guess, I guess like verbally like if we're sitting here and we're like, you know, like something that like you've identified that's wrong

Starting point is 00:56:12 with me or something, I'm gonna get super defensive on it, you know, and that's like still that's like within me, like I get really like I can't like, I can't just like be like, oh, hmm, you know, like, yeah, let me evaluate that. It's like, fuck you. You know, like, like I have this like immediate like, like, my hands right here and like, I'm gonna push back at you first. My first instinct is to push. Courtney calls me out on that all the time because she's like, I'm not like, I'm not trying to like create conflict with you. I'm trying to identify things and just admit that you're failing or something within this is something that needs to be addressed. And yeah, that's a constant thing for me.

Starting point is 00:56:58 I don't like talking about, if something I have going on or something like that is not doing well, I just don't want to talk about it. And you know, that's probably something that you should talk about, right? Because, you know, how you're going to work through it, like you're like, I don't like getting help, you know, that's one thing. So I think, you know, along those lines, like, yeah, I find it's a tough thing for me because I just I want to like take it all on and internalize it and like I can fucking do this and like because like that's just been drilled in my head that's like you know maybe I'm weaker I don't have enough of the mental fortitude overcome

Starting point is 00:57:37 this and really like I should be seeking more help with a lot of things. So, you know what's interesting about that is, it requires more strength for you to ask for help than it does for you to do shit on your own. Absolutely. So, you know, that might actually help you. I was like that for a while, and someone told me, I don't remember who told me, they said something like, it's harder to,

Starting point is 00:58:07 it takes more strength to cry than it does to not cry. And it kind of struck me like, oh fuck, like I consider myself a strong person, then I should seek out the things that require me to be strong. And at that time in my life, it was to admit that I need help. Whereas before I was like, no, I can do this song.

Starting point is 00:58:26 Like, wait a minute, it's easier for me to not ask for help than it is to ask for help. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know. You know, yesterday Taylor and I were talking and he gave me a nice compliment, although I don't know if he was meeting too, about, you know, he's like, man, out of everybody, I really feel like you're just, you're really open-minded. You're willing to meet with people

Starting point is 00:58:50 that you would totally disagree with, hang out with people of different circles and try things out that are against what you believe or think. I really believe that when it comes to like sensitive topics, I could think of stuff when I was younger. That like I had a hard time sharing like talking about my dad's suicide, for example, like as a kid, like just not understanding that. And you know, I remember when we had the girls gone wide, podcast here, and she's like,

Starting point is 00:59:20 uh, you know, I wish you would dive more into your childhood story and what you've been through thinking that that was like something that I avoid because I don't only talk about like I have no problem talking about that stuff. It's not sensitive to me at all. I'm pretty much an open book and I, I don't know what point in my life that I start doing this, but I seek out things that make me uncomfortable like this because if I if it gives me a most real action like if you one of you guys were to we're talking and then you did something right and I caught myself getting like agitated or firing back or getting me what for sure and I talk about this in the podcast all the time that night I'm fucking thinking about that like I'm evaluating how I responded to you guys

Starting point is 01:00:06 because you obviously poked a button with me. And I'm not going like fuck Justin, fuck Sal. I'm going, whoa. What did that bother me? Or why did that get me all riled up? I must got some shit I need to work on in that area. And I don't stray, I'm not afraid of any of that shit. Like if you got something you want to say to me

Starting point is 01:00:27 that you think is a sensitive to fucking bring it. Like tell me, like poke at me, tell me that you don't like this about me or you want to know more about this because you think I'm afraid to, I'm not afraid to talk about anything. I've been an open book for a very long time. I've shared any sort of insecurities. I think I've shared on this podcast before.

Starting point is 01:00:46 I don't know. I don't know if there's a topic that I'm really sensitive to talk about. I mean, do you guys feel like there's something that you guys bring up with me that I avoid or I get all pissed off or I have a, that you read on me and you share it with me. Now's the time to share with me, right?

Starting point is 01:01:02 This would be a good time to, let's see. Why don't you say some and see if I get wrong. Don't that me, that's all. Yeah, right? Well, I think, you know, the three of us are pretty, we pretty much do that, right? We pretty much share that sentiment. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:01:18 That's not like, and even when I'm sharing that, it's not like, like I said, I'm not, I'm definitely open for you guys to jab at me and like point things out. Yeah, but I don't wanna, like I don't wanna, I'm definitely open for you guys to jab at me and point things out. Yeah, but I don't want to be a dick right here, but out of the three of us, I could have definitely said that about Sal and I know that about Justin. I know that, and I've done it to you, you embrace it.

Starting point is 01:01:37 You don't hide from it, but I've intentionally came after both of you on the podcast because I know it makes good radio because I know that they're sensitive topics. I know that talking about the divorce and the kid stuff that I know that is tough for you and I challenge it all the time. Well, life's funny because when you're at that point,

Starting point is 01:01:59 where you feel like it's all like, oh fuck, I got it all under control. Tens of the throws shit at you. And I had a string of things that, I mean, I felt like, fuck, I'll handle it. I'm talking about, I'm talking about on the podcast. Like right now, this is a difficult subject to talk about and I'm talking about it on a podcast that I know,

Starting point is 01:02:18 you know, tens of thousands of people are gonna listen to. So, you know, it's my gauge of sensitive and difficult to talk about is maybe different than someone else's word. They can't even get the words out, right? Right, right. I'll get the words out and I'll talk about it. It's not a problem, but you know it affects you emotionally.

Starting point is 01:02:32 What? I'm just trying to. I'm trying to talk about it and be aware of what it does. You know what I'm probably sensitive about? If there's something, if there's something I'm currently working on, and I know I'm working hard at it, and somebody's like, fucking trying to remind me of it all the time. Like let's say, I'm trying to give a good one that like recently where there's something that I'm trying to get better at, whether it be business, whether it be personal relations,

Starting point is 01:02:56 and I'm actively putting in the work. I'm working at it, I'm putting practices in place, I'm doing something, and we'll use an analogy that isn't me, but let's just say, you know, currently if I was out of shape and I'm working towards getting in shape, and somebody's just like, hey bro, and they're like poking at me in that arena, and it's like, you motherfucker,

Starting point is 01:03:15 like I'm tracking my food right now, I'm training every day, like I'm working towards that, and if you were really paying attention, you would see that I'm making progress in that arena, fuck you for pointing out something that I know is an issue of mine and I'm working on. So I guess if someone gets me on something that I'm currently working at and you dig at me and it's an area I already know I need work on and I'm working on it, that could probably get me sensitive and I could probably fire back at you.

Starting point is 01:03:41 But I would just do it. I'd handle it just like that. So like let's say there was an area like that and you guys called me out on it and I got sensitive do it. I'd handle it just like that. So like, let's say there was an area like that and you guys like called me out on it and I got sensitive about it. I'd be like, well, fuck you bro, I'm doing the work. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying.

Starting point is 01:03:51 Yeah, I'm trying. I'm putting it into practice. Well, you don't, you definitely don't like, if someone says that you're lazy or not hardworking or not working, I don't know. Okay, yeah, that's good. So that's a very sensitive topic. And that's actually, okay, good. So that's a very sensitive topic and and that's actually okay

Starting point is 01:04:06 Good one. That's a good one. You want to get me riled up Come after my work ethic because I pride myself on On my work ethic and there's a lot of things that I do that I don't talk about that doesn't exactly translate into Money all the time or that other people see that I'm constantly doing. I'll give an example. That's a really good one, so because that's probably something that I am sensitive about. If you want to, if you want to rattle me up, make me feel like I'm not putting work in because I don't know very many people that could outwork me.

Starting point is 01:04:40 Sometimes the work that I do does go unseen, for example, part of this job that we are currently in right now requires a lot of relationship massaging. We are constantly in contact with all kinds of people and very important people and you can't just expect in business. And I think this is for people that are entrepreneurs, it's important to recognize this. You can't expect that you're just gonna build this network of people without putting work in, without giving to others,

Starting point is 01:05:10 and part of giving to others requires giving time. And sometimes that's text messages and phone calls and emails, taking people out the lunch, going to dinner, doing things that may seem like it's not a big deal, may not seem like it's work to the average person, but it is fucking work. And there's a lot of energy. It does.

Starting point is 01:05:31 It requires a ton of fucking energy to do that. So if someone were to call, but you guys don't though, you guys have never, you guys have never like called me lazy or made me feel that way. Well, why would we, I wouldn't call, I remember we got cornered on that like when we were doing that silly game show and we completely all avoided that question because it's like, none of us is the laziest in the group, it just doesn't work that way. I guess the question would be to ask yourself

Starting point is 01:05:53 why, besides the fact, I know why, so I'll get there, I know you're going. So why that is is because even as much work as I do, I always believe I can do more. And so if you say that, it stings me because I'm like, fuck, I could be doing more. I could be doing more. And that's-

Starting point is 01:06:10 I feel like there's some truth in it. Exactly. Which is true, right? Anytime we get sensitive about something, of somebody who really truly reflects, there's some truth to that, right? It's true on any end of that, right? If somebody is like Elon Musk and somebody says,

Starting point is 01:06:23 oh, you're failing here, like, and it's true. Yes, to recognize that. It's like, but really is that like, right. So something you gotta focus on. And that's the perspective thing, right? This is learning to have the attachment perspective and say, okay, what can I take from this?

Starting point is 01:06:37 Obviously that bothers me. Obviously that bothers me because I could potentially be doing more, but then also being mindful and going like, you know, hey, I am doing all this, I am working hard, I am doing those things and recognizing yourself for those things, just like, and that relates a lot to what's sounds sensitive thing is,

Starting point is 01:06:54 it's like, bro, you are a really good dad. Bro, you are doing, you're probably one of the best dads that I've ever met. So for you to beat yourself up over one scenario like that, that you're totally overthinking is crazy. And for you not to yourself up over one scenario like that that you're totally over thinking is crazy and For you not to recognize all the good things that you're doing and allow that to get you emotional That's your talk you got to have with yourself, right? So which is very similar to the one I would have to have myself if I let somebody really

Starting point is 01:07:18 Which you know what I have her buttons. I don't think I don't think the average person could get me that route I think I would take it to heart maybe if one of you guys said that to me, which I don't think any of you would because I think we all know how hard everybody works in here. But yeah, if someone if someone got me there, that would be a little sensitive. You probably would you probably see me react. Get the rap. You probably get you probably even Superman has crypto. Quick commercial break you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the Mind Pump family?

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Starting point is 01:08:16 forward slash nature bite, put in the code, mine pump and get 10% off. Go check it out. Next up from Prime and Glory, you openly say how much each of you have grown as trainers since your early years. Can you pinpoint how you got on the path to becoming the trainers you are today? So this is actually pretty clear for me. I can't too. This is very, very clear in terms of what made me the kind of trainer that I am today and what's going to make me the trainer that I'm going to be tomorrow because I think I'm going to be an even better trainer and you know five years from now that I am even today. There's two things. One is reminding myself the purpose behind what I do.

Starting point is 01:09:05 So being a trainer was never a job for me. It was never a paycheck for me. Although sometimes it would do that every once in a while where I'd focus on the fact that I'm making money, focus on the fact that it's a job when I would bring myself back to my purpose, which was that I really, really do, I truly do love people. Nothing is more fascinating. Nothing draws me in more, and nothing attracts me more

Starting point is 01:09:39 than just the human condition, than people. Children, old people, people in special populations. One of the reasons why I love training, if you look at the kind of people that I like to train the most, I love training at advanced age, and then second place is kids, and then third place is special populations, people with physical ailments or mental ailments. And the reason why I love training them so much is because it makes me feel more purposeful to what I'm doing because it definitely is awesome to get an athlete to perform better and it's also great to get someone just in better shape. That's all amazing. I love that too. But there's

Starting point is 01:10:15 something about helping an old person walk up the stairs or working with a kid and seeing that kid's outlook on themselves change completely. So it was really about my purpose that forced me to examine my methods as a trainer. And the second thing was being open-minded to training myself. That pushed me in many different directions as well, because I was always driven in my own training

Starting point is 01:10:46 and my own nutrition, and my motivation and drive was different in the early years. It was about building muscle, getting strong, building muscle. But because I was so driven to gain those things, I was constantly examining my training and questioning training and reading other people's opinions and reading scientific articles and questioning what I thought was common knowledge. It's the reason why I switched from a body parts split, which by the way, when I switched from a body parts split to more frequent type of training,

Starting point is 01:11:24 which eventually resulted in more of a full body approach, it was totally at a style. It was totally nobody was doing it. You wouldn't find a single body builder or muscle building expert that would recommend that you train, at least if you were advanced, with a full body approach. Nobody, in fact, they would laugh and scoff at it. And the only reason why I went down that path was my constant self-examination. And I went and started reading these old articles and these old strong men and these old advice. And I started saying, you know, what's the worst that could

Starting point is 01:11:59 happen if I try this approach? Let's see what happens. And then that opened my eyes. And then I kept doing that. I kept pushing myself in different ways and identifying things that blew my mind in terms of what was working for me. And then that made me a better trainer because then I was able to apply that, you know, those things to my clients. I mean, it all started with that. And then it turned into questioning, eating small meals every day. Then it turned into looking at fasting and how that affects the body.

Starting point is 01:12:27 Then I started questioning protein intake. Then I started looking at veganism, which was like you never even talked about it or even you laugh at it if you're trying to build muscle. Well, I started looking at maybe there's some benefits to eating like that. Then I started examining wellness. And I started noticing side effects of wellness in terms of muscle building.

Starting point is 01:12:51 And all those two things really drove me to become a better and better trainer because I was always self-examining and I was also driven by my love of people and that it always made me seek out what worked the best, not what I thought was supposed to work or what I was told was the best. Do you remember how old you were?

Starting point is 01:13:13 I would say, I couldn't really start it for you. So my career is different than your guys' because you both started as trainers and really stayed in the fitness side your whole career. So I started as a personal trainer, became a fitness manager, which is a managing trainer, then it became a general manager. And so then I was managing production of the gym. So although I was very connected to the trainers and the fitness, I was no longer training people until I started my, until I bought my own personal training studio slash wellness facility.

Starting point is 01:13:48 When I opened that up years later, is when I really got better because now I'm really deep in being a trainer. Yeah, do you remember how old you were? I was, I started ABS at, I think I was 22 or 23. So 22, 23 is when then I really started taking off and then from there, probably the first five years was just fucking tornado of growth. Just learning all these different things and growing and then I started training, Doug, when did I start training?

Starting point is 01:14:24 If you remember what year you and I started? It was years ago. Like so about seven years ago, six years ago, something like that. That's when I started solidifying a lot of the concepts and stuff that I understand today because right around the time I started training Doug is when I started putting together the concepts of maps and all that other stuff. So those are my two drivers. Those are the two things that made me a better trainer and that will continue to make me a better trainer.

Starting point is 01:14:50 I think for me, definitely there was periods. There's periods that I went through where I mean, I went most of my life trying to improve my performance and my athleticism and just totally focused on my own success and within my own body and my own capabilities. And that was really the driver for a long period of time. And getting into the industry, it just made sense for me. It was like, oh, you know, I really enjoy working out and I really enjoy what I can do to my body physically to, you know, enhance what I'm currently doing.

Starting point is 01:15:35 And, you know, and then getting into training, I was completely humbled. And I think that this has happened to me. It's almost this cyclical experience for me where I feel like I've mastered something and then I'll step into just a little bit different like seeing environment and I just I feel like I don't know anything and I'm just like humbled all over again. So that being the first part of that was seeing how people move and seeing that their body didn't respond the way I wanted it to.

Starting point is 01:16:12 They weren't athletes. I couldn't understand it. It's just like, it was this foreign concept to me. Like why can't you move your arm like that? Why can't you get off the ground like this? Like what the fuck? What am I supposed to do with this? I had to really research. this, like, what the fuck? What am I supposed to do with this? I had to really research.

Starting point is 01:16:25 I'm like, okay, so now I'm starting, like I had to really peer into somebody who's been deconditioned that most of their life, and they've never taught their body to do these very simple things. And it's like people don't have experiences like you. And like for me, I don't know, it sounds like, sorry Dick,

Starting point is 01:16:46 it was so mind blowing to me, because it was just like, I knew how I could do things, I knew how my body worked, like I could tell my body to do something and I could do it. Like, you know, even when I would go, like try to a new sport,

Starting point is 01:16:59 like I would do like wakeboarding or something like that, like I would get it right away. You know, I just had that sort of body awareness. And so just kind of peering into that and like seeing, okay, there's a way to actually train your body to step by step kind of build up to that, that same kind of response for just anybody. But man, some people, you have to really draw that out

Starting point is 01:17:24 for a long period of time. Anyway, that's just one example. But man, some people, you have to really draw that out for a long period of time. Anyway, that's just one example, but I went through that and then figured out a better way to approach somebody from where they are. And so building on top of that led me to, okay, so somebody's coming in with more experience. What does that look like? What does a professional athlete look like? How do I improve them?

Starting point is 01:17:48 How do I benefit them? And for the most part, in that scenario, it's about longevity. It's about supporting their joints. It's about maintaining the explosive response and movement that they can produce and keep them healthy and help them have a long career. And I just feel like me as a trainer to improve on being a trainer is to immerse myself

Starting point is 01:18:16 in an entirely different arena, different experience. Like shadow myself around somebody who's a master of that domain and humble myself and realize that, you know, like I know a lot about movement and I know a lot about the human body, but somebody always knows more than me. And I'm fucking seek those people out,

Starting point is 01:18:39 whether they, you know, it's from their book or like thankfully with this podcast, we can interview them and we can take them out on the floor and they can demonstrate things you know for a YouTube. And so I just feel like as long as I can stay here and do what we're doing like we're just going to keep getting better and better and our message is going to you know resonate even more to you know more groups of people. How old do you think you were when that mindset who could set in for you?

Starting point is 01:19:06 Where how, do you remember how old you were when you started like really diving and digging into to grow like that? To grow it like just as a person? Well, like you said, no, you just, you just give an example of like, you know, you had a client come, or you had a person come in front of you and it's like, you realize like,

Starting point is 01:19:20 oh, fuck, like I gotta like figure out how do I teach this person the first step? They have no awareness. Like, and then that obviously sent you down the rabbit hole, right? Cause you know, once you get going there, it's like, there's all kinds of different directions that maze takes you.

Starting point is 01:19:33 Like, how old were you when that moment happened? Do you remember? When I was first started training, I mean, sure it was like, I was around like, like 22 or something like that. But I would think for me, like, to identify that mindset was more when I stepped out of high school and like, you know, I was getting into college and I was getting away from my family and, you know, the safety net that I had established.

Starting point is 01:19:59 I had a girlfriend, you know, for like three or four years. Everything was about safety, you know, for like three or four years, everything was about safety, you know. And then I just decided that for some wild reason, I just felt like I was totally settled, you know, with my life. And like everything was, I was just doing things like on autopilot. And then just this wild idea was like, why don't I go somewhere I've never been before. And the opportunity kind of came to me because I was trying out, well, okay, here it is. Actually, this is interesting. I was trying out for the football team for San Jose State

Starting point is 01:20:35 and my identity was a football player. And I killed it in high school. And I tried out for D1 school. And this is something that I got into the school, okay cool, you can come into the walk out tryouts and you can go through this process. And I did really well. And I was like, you know, had great numbers,

Starting point is 01:20:55 you know, squat numbers, bench numbers, like my, you know, my shuttle run, but my 40 time was dog shit. You know, like they really care about speed. And so the first moment with that was, I failed. Like I failed hard. Like I had such a bad start that the coach was like, I don't know. Like, let's have you try this again. He's like, yeah, he's a lineman faster. It's like, it was like, it was like, it's like, it was like, it's like, it's like,

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Starting point is 01:21:45 and it was like a little bit better, but they just were not impressed, even though I was killing all these other numbers, and I was bigger than most of the guys that wanted to play my position. And they're like, I'm sorry, man, we don't have a spot for you. And I had to tell my parents,

Starting point is 01:22:01 and it was just like, fuck, dude, what am I gonna do? You know? Oh shit. And then after that, it was like, fuck, what am I gonna do? You know? Oh shit. And then after that, it was like, do I just keep being a student? And I'm like, that's lame. Like an athlete. I'm an athlete, dammit.

Starting point is 01:22:14 And I just struggled with that. And I was like, well, screw it. I'm just gonna be a really good student. And I'm just gonna do the shit out of this. And I really cracked down. And then this opportunity came to me this guy Basically was on the plane flight with my dad and my dad was just like, you know talking to him

Starting point is 01:22:34 Whatever and he was a coach for really small school in Chicago and I was like, yeah, you know, he's a really good player. I don't know. He didn't get a good 40 time and they didn't want, you know, to put them on the squad. He's just kind of doing school right now. Like, my dad was trying to hype me up and all this stuff about how good I was in high school and all this stuff. And so he ended up sending them video and all that stuff of when I played. And then the coach got all excited because it was a position that they needed really bad. And so he reached out and everything

Starting point is 01:23:09 and then they gave me a scholarship opportunity. So they paid for most of my room and board and stuff like that and took a chance on that. Yeah, so. That's awesome. It's kind of like how life's really worked for me, dude. And then I just took a chance and I was like, ah, forget it, I'm going. I'm gonna grow and I'm gonna, I'm gonna improve. But like,

Starting point is 01:23:30 a lot of times that's happened, like I just get fucking, I just get hit in the face, like so hard, like, no, you know, like I had to take that one. Like, like, I just sucked in that moment. I was 25. I was 25. I remember the moment like yesterday for sure. It was a conversation that I had with our VP. And I know that you guys know the VP was, we'll talk names out. What was initials? M-P.

Starting point is 01:23:59 So he came down and the reason why he was coming down to visit me was they had gave me an offer. They wanted me to be a general manager. I had been a fitness manager already for four years. I had crushed it in all three of their clubs. And by now word had got out that I was helping the sales team and teaching the sales side of the business, even though I was a fitness guy.

Starting point is 01:24:23 And so of course, this guy was a talented salesperson in the company and I'd been around for a long time. And he wanted me to go to the general manager side so I could teach sales more. And I was really excited to talk to him the first time they came down. The offer they gave me was shit. And I was like, I'm not going to move, move positions. I love fitness. I love training. I love fitness. I love training.

Starting point is 01:24:45 I love people. And I love money, too. And I was, I definitely entertained the idea of heading to the general manager side like Sal did because technically on that side, you could make more money, technically. But there were people like me that were the exception, the rule. If you were really good at the fitness manager position, you could make as much if not more than a lot of GMs. And I was in that position.

Starting point is 01:25:08 I was outperforming most GMs in my area. And so I didn't really have a desire to go to that side. I love what I was doing. At that time, I wanted to just keep moving at the company in that side of the house. So back then, it would be a fitness manager. Then they wanted you to go over the sales side and then you go over to like district level. Before that, there used to be a whole fitness side. So you could go from fitness manager to district fitness manager, all the way up to regional fitness manager type of position.

Starting point is 01:25:36 And so you could stay on the fitness side of the house. And at this, at that point in my career, I was very bought into the company. I had dreams of being like a VP or a main guy in the company and making really good money. And I was all about the company. And when they came down, they gave me the shit off for the first time and I denied it, then he actually came to visit me. And I thought, oh, this is cool.

Starting point is 01:25:58 He's gonna come down and visit me where he's gonna talk to me and he's gonna give me a different offer. And we sat in this office and he gave me this whole speech about, you know, and I don't remember a lot of what was said, but I do remember the stupid statement of, you know, Adam, sometimes we have to take a step back to take a step forward in life.

Starting point is 01:26:16 And I remember like inside like kind of chuck, right kind of chuckle. You also have to, you mean you gotta tell the audience too, like this is after years of carrot dangling, which that company was very fun. Right, fucking good at it. Right, and that's actually what I'm getting to and this story is that, you know,

Starting point is 01:26:31 I had been, you know, told all these great things. I had, I had, at that point in my career, I thought I was gonna be in there forever. And this was the turning point for me. This was when I realized, fuck this place, they don't care about me, you know, I realized that, you know, I realized that, yeah, I had the same moment.

Starting point is 01:26:49 Well, at this time too, I'm four plus years into management. I had worked with a lot of talented people. I had absorbed a ton. I had grown a lot. I would say I was kind of at a plateau. I realized that this company was not gonna look out for me. And I kind of had this like, by the way, the offer he gave me was a little bit more money,

Starting point is 01:27:10 still wasn't enough money to get me to leave. I wanted a guaranteed salary of what I was averaging over the last three years. And I didn't think that was a lot to ask for more, if I was gonna take on more responsibility and potentially make you more money. And they just thought that was crazy because nobody got offered that kind of money for that position

Starting point is 01:27:25 And I said, okay, well, then I'll just continue doing what I love to do which is stay in this position and that's what I did But at that after that I had a real I was bitter was pissed off and I was kind of angry and like I I believe that even back then I was the type of person that would reflect I was a little slower back then It would take like a week of bitching and moaning before I finally looked at myself and said, you know, what the fuck is wrong with you? I don't what, you know, this is, you know, how are you letting him control your emotions and let this company? And I realized at that moment, you know, what I cannot allow a company or these outside forces to dictate my personal growth. And all of a sudden, I just became, this is when I started really reading.

Starting point is 01:28:05 And I remember at what I decided to do, I was like, you know what I'm gonna do? Is I'm gonna look up what the CEO was reading. So I looked into our CEO and he used to do this thing where he'd email out things, books that he had been reading. And I started reading, I started with the books that he was reading. So I wanted to know where my CEO's mind was

Starting point is 01:28:20 and how he was directing the company. And it was awesome because he gave me so much insight. And at that moment I realized I would never let somebody else, I would never let a company, a business, another person influence my personal growth and shame on me for allowing me to allow myself to get caught up in that for so many years of wanting this company to take me somewhere.

Starting point is 01:28:43 Like they're gonna move me up and they're gonna provide this for me and I thought to myself, fuck that. Like I'm gonna make this for myself and at that moment was the moment that I went on this journey of personal growth and that's in all areas, not. So we're talking about business,

Starting point is 01:28:58 we're talking about self-help type shit, we're talking about fitness and science and that's when I started. That's when I really started to dive deep and I just had this thirst for knowledge in learning and I never stopped from 25 on but it took up and to that point and that happening to me for me to really wake the fuck up and realize that every moment, every day that goes by, it's nobody else's responsibility on how much I grow and how much I progress in this life. I have full control of that. And if I'm not progressing fast enough in this life, it's nobody's fault but myself.

Starting point is 01:29:37 And when I took that ownership and I began to look at it like that, it changed things forever for me. As a trainer, as a leader, as a businessman, like it forever changed me, and it's a bit of advice that I always give to somebody that, if you're not pushing yourself to grow, if you're not, it's the Abraham Lincoln's, I have no respect for a man that is no wiser today

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