Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 574: Learning to Enjoy Vegetables, Sand Bag Training for Muscle Development & Fat Loss, Cycling Protein & Other Supplements & MORE

Episode Date: August 16, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about cycling and cycling other supplements such as creatine, getting vegetables into the diet, priming & sauna use and sandbag training for muscular development and fat burning. Guys talk about “lack” of motivation in millennials (5:15) Sink or crush Avoid tough situations Guys talk Organifi green juice supplementation (18:50) Justin talks about “taking care” of one of his chickens (21:03) Quah question #1 – How often should you cycle supplements? (34:20) Protein cycling Creatine Feel like over consuming/no added benefits – get off Quah question #2 – Can’t eat vegetables and has to blend to consume. Is this a bad way to consume vegetables? (45:37) Be mindful Appreciate flavor Bad memories/relationship with them Chewing food very important Quah question #3 – On the days he uses the sauna after training, should he post-Prime after training or after the sauna? (56:33) Do directly after training Heat depresses the central nervous system Quah question #4 – Thoughts of sandbag training for both muscular development and fat burning? (59:20) Functionally driven Rounded back lifting Related Links/Products Mentioned Millennials show lack of motivation (article) Organifi (website) Coupon code – “mindpump” for 20% off Fasting for Longevity: 9 Questions for Dr. Valter D. Longo - Blue Zones (article) Horny Goat Weed: An Herb for Low Libido, Erectile Dysfunction, ED (article) MAPS Prime People Mentioned: Dennis Rodman Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen Mark Mastrov Dr. Valter Longo Ben Pakulski Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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You know, you just fired up a little bit. Exactly. Then we, I'll actually, we did mention our sponsor organifying this episode. I also want to make the note here, if you enter the code mind pump, you get 20% off, then we get into Justin's chicken store apocalypse. You might not want to miss that one unless you're PETA

or if you're PETA fast forward, pass that part. Yeah, you're not going to hear that. We talk about hunting and killing our own food. And then we get into the questions. The first question is how we mentioned protein cycling and cycling other supplements. So how do we recommend that we do that? How often should you cycle your protein low and cycle some of your supplements? Then we answer the question of a gentleman who

can't eat vegetables, literally finds them absolutely disgusting. Sounds like my two-year-old. So what should he do? Hint, bustle. Bustle. Then we get into the next question. Somebody is asking us if they should do their post-prime session after they do the sauna, after the workout, or if it should be immediately after their workout, the answer to that question is not what you might expect. Or is it? Then the last question, sandbag training. You sandbag or you?

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What time did you come? Six. Oh yeah. I remember that. I used to text them right before. When you guys were on that call, when you finally strolled in here at like nine or nine thirty I was Meeting with our yet our young

Motivated and I can talk about him because he doesn't listen to the show He wanted to have a little meeting with me to my draw. Yeah, he wanted boy draw. Yeah draw draw Dizzle He wanted to have boy draw. Yeah. Draw. Draw, Dizzle. He wanted to have a meeting with me to tell me how motivated he was and to tell me, you know, how hard he was going to work. And so we had a good little meeting at breakfast.

I could tell he was very nervous, but. Did you tell him coffees for closers only? Well, you know, he pushed it away from his vicinity. I mean, you guys know, damn well, that, you know, whenees for closers only. Well, you know, you know, one of those speeches, you push it away from his, uh, his vicinity. I mean, you guys know, damn well that, you know, when it comes to those type of conversations, I'm probably not the funnest person to talk to about that, right? Like, I'm not easy. I'm, and I'm very, but I, I believe a lot of times you just need a hug.

Yeah. Seems like that. It's fun. You're fun-ish, but not the fun. Well, I think, I mean, I'm not fun, like, it's, I mean, I think for, I think for you guys, it's cool because you were all the same team. You know, it's kind of like when you watch or like when you like have like Dennis Rodman on your basketball team Like you hate the guy when you play against him, but you want him on your team. Oh my god. You're Dennis Rodman. Yeah, right? So that's Can you maybe like horse grant? Are you gonna wear a dress? No, no, I'm definitely more dentist. Dinosaur Ottoman was the first Ottoman. He's so flamboyant.

He was the first biographer. Exactly. He paints his toe. He's fine. So he, I read that, do you guys ever, his, I don't get it. I feel like Scotty Pippin. You feel like, yeah, yeah, you can. Yeah, you can.

Yeah, a little bit. Which you make. I'm kind of Jordan. So that means Justin Jordan. So Justin's Jordan, you're Scotty Pippin, and I'm Dennis Rodman. I'm pretty much in the clutch. I win championships.

I'm just kidding. I'm like don't want to have a no. No. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like Larry Bird, dude. I forgot we were talking about gold. Let's get it straight. No, it was really cute to watch him get all flustered and but share with me his patch.

He's only 18. I forget that he's only 18 because he's always with that. I love, love when I see like young kids like that, 18, 19, 20, who are motivated, driven, and hungry. Well, you just see the fire finally spark. What? And it's rare, and here I know I'm gonna get a bunch of people mad at me right here,

but it's rare to find this in those millennials. I feel like a lot of... Do you think though it's rare and just general? It's always rare. It is rare in general. I think it's even more rare in that generation. I think that, I mean, you talked about this just to their day about the, you know,

people not even getting their drivers license out. Yeah, there's, there's, there's, it feels like a lost art. There's some weird statistics going on. I mean, when I was do, I mean, I was managing Gens, I was really, I was 19 and I was, I don't know anybody in my age. That was, that was, you know, aggressive like that.

So it's always gonna be rare, but you're right, there's these weird, interesting statistics right now with kids, like they don't wanna drive, they don't go out as much, they have less sex, they don't go to movies as much, although that could be, to, you know, do, it's all due to technology, I think, right? Oh yeah, absolutely.

I mean, Taylor even had to kind of talk some sense in him because I know when we first gave him his offer and told him what he would be paid hourly, he wasn't that excited, it wasn't like a bit. And Taylor was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You have an opportunity to be a part of something that is amazing, it's growing, it's fun as shit to be a part of.

You're doing something you love. He's like, we don't even beat him up right now, just for saying that. Right, that you're passionate about. This way to the whole website. And Taylor's like, do any of you as do any of your friends make that much money? And he's like, well, I have one friend that makes

like a money, he's like, what does he do? He's like construction, like fuck, he does construction for, you know, eight to ten. Right, he gets up at five o'clock in the morning and he's fucking carrying around two by fours all over the place and nail and shit on bill. You get to come in here and have a good time.

Right. And so he's like, and do something you're passionate about and that you love. And then with the potential that it could grow into something that could turn into possibly your career, wake the fuck up, you know. And so he kind of had that. I like Taylor.

Right, he kind of had that conversation with him. And he admitted this, he admitted that this part of this, it was his own like struggle, this inner struggle he had. And then he kind of asked me like, you know, I just want to feel confident that I have the position. I said, dude, you, that was what the first conversation was. You have the position. But I said, let me tell you something, you know,

and you work your ass off. we have the hours for you to put that work in, but I will tell you this, we will sit down with this exact same fucking counter, and I will evaluate your work and tell you if it's contributing to the business because you can make all the cool fucking videos you want. If it's not driving more revenue to the business, I don't give a shit about it. And that's hard for someone to hear who has an art

that's into what you're, like the loves what they're doing, they're passionate about. It's just called reality. It is reality. I mean, yeah. And I'm like, if you can't show me that you're not adding value and by adding value, I mean fucking money to the business,

you're not worth that position to me. I'd much rather contract that overseas, maybe somebody who's less talented that I don't really like, that I don't care about, that I'm paying $8 an hour over there just to get the shit done, because what we've proven to do already is working, and if you can't find a way to make it work better,

then it might be a short-lived position for you. There's two opportunities or two directions he could go with this, because I'm imagining myself at his age right and if I hear that all that does is give me a boner it just gets me really sick well that's what I'm looking for like fuck yeah like I'm what

I'm looking to separate that right I'm looking to separate that right there is I'm looking to see like that type of push either pushes someone like you to in the next level or scares the fuck out of somebody who's weak I push pushes you to push I was in that it scares the fuck out of somebody who's weak. I push, pushes you to push. I was in that position. I gave Mark Mastroff, who was the founder of 24 Fitness A tour of the gym as a 18 or 19

year old kid. And this is how you know that. You didn't tell me that. Oh, yeah. So he came in to my club. Was he just happened to be touring that day? No, so he was with John, who was the VP at the time. Right, I remember.

And he came around and John was taking him to his clubs and he says, I want you to meet this kid because at the time I was doing numbers nobody had ever seen before. So you, okay, now you've been there for a little bit. How long? I was in AGM, maybe only a few months, or a couple months. So you're still green.

But I was blown, I mean, I was, like I said, I was hitting 40, 50,000 in commissionable revenue and before that the records were set at like 27, 25, so nobody ever seen that before. So he walks in and he's like, oh, a mask drop is freaking out, right? Because he's the founder. And then they come up and they're like, hey, he wants you to give him a tour. He wants to see what you're doing because he wants to know why you're doing so well.

So I'm like, fuck yeah. So I literally, I remember like it was yesterday when they told me that like the hair stood up on its end, but not because I was nervous because, you're excited. Like I was like a dog looking to like fight. Like, gah, let's do this. So I took him on a tour.

I did my whole thing which back then nobody had done before,, I was selling fitness before the membership. I was selling personal training, I was selling results and all of that. And I came up and I sat down with them, did the whole presentation. He gave me a couple of objections, you know, to try and see how I would overcome them. I overcame them. And he goes, if everybody did what you did, he goes, we would, we would be three times the company in terms of revenue. So I said, that's awesome. I said, when are you gonna make me a manager? And he said, oh, you know, you got some time, you know, it's gonna take some time, you're young,

this and that. I said, I am outperforming everybody that you have. I want that opportunity. And he said, you'll get it. He said, just be patient. I said, okay, I said, I'm gonna make it so ridiculously obvious that you need to promote me, that you'll be embarrassed not to. I mean, those are the words that I said to a great man,

and he left, and that's what I ended up doing. But, you know, like you're talking about with draw, like that's a situation that sometimes you're in life where you're shown an opportunity like, either you sink or you crush, and most people decide to sink, because it's scary. But every once in a while you get those people who are like ready to destroy and it's kind of like the fallback for you know like

you get into a real pressure situation like that and it's real easy to pull back really easy to pull back it's a totally different operating system when you decide to face and you decide to perform and do it on command fuck Fuck yeah, it's uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. But it's exciting. But you're right. Dude, the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. You know, you just, you get into this zone and your eyes get

focused. You know, everything tenses up. Like I wasn't that same experience. Not too long ago. So. Oh, it's great. I was like, I felt like I was back in the arena. You're alive.

Oh, back in the arena. You're alive. Oh, back in the arena. You're in it. I love that shit. You learn to seek that as you get older. When you're younger, you tend to avoid it, right? You avoid, and I think that's what, you know, the slight millennial job I just had was, I think that is a lot of what it is.

I think right now at a young age, they still are trying to avoid those situations I think most of them and when I save them I'm like I'm not talking about people listening to this podcast because it's already been shown that if you're a podcast listener you're already above the average person right as far as scientific studies have shown yeah that right you're smart of this is all the fault of the helicopter parents boom I said it yeah all the fault of the helicopter parents. Boom, I said it. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm so happy. Hey, let your kids figure shit out. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, right now. If you're a young, you know, 20 year old, something, you know, 20 something year old, the opportunities for you today are better, better. Don't listen to the statistics where they say,

oh, the workforce is harder and this and that, and that bullshit, you have technology right fucking now where you can create your job tomorrow with less money than ever. Than ever. I have met, because of this podcast, I have met several self-made millionaires that did nothing but use YouTube, social media, Instagram,

that kind of shit, and it cost them almost nothing to do. That did not exist 15 years ago. So opportunity is insanely there. If you have that fire inside you, don't go get a job, go make a job, make that shit happen. It's right there for the taking right now. I think with the other hard challenge they have is learning to separate too, like they're,

the things that they love to do and that's fun, that's, you know, their passion versus the stuff that you need to do and you have to do, right? Like one of my favorite quotes is, you know, we do the things that we have to do now, so we can do the things we want to do later. And, you know, there's no doubt I know he's passionate about making videos, but I'll give you an example. So like, we're seeing they're having breakfast, and I pull out my green juice from Organifi, and stirred up and like he has no idea what that is. And I'm like, wait a second, you work for us, you don't know anything about Organifi.

Like you need to understand that you may be really good about making these videos and making cool stuff, but you need to know anything and everything that we're into. And there's a ton of shit that you guys haven't been a part of for two and a half years. You gotta know, you gotta know the message that Mind Pump has been about for so long. You gotta know what would it take for us to partner with a company like this, especially

since the decision making process even gets to that. Right. We've been a company that's came out and bash supplements for such a long time. And we have finally why are we why are we working with this company? Right. And then how can you translate this into videos and make it entertaining for people while still staying true to our message and our today This is what we've had a hard time with we've hired two different companies that do what he does

And we have not and we've had to fire them because it's like they can't they they don't understand to go based off some old formula Right, well they look isn't working. They look at what is that beach body and like all these companies out there that are huge on the internet That are making millions of dollars But it's hard when there's messages dinosaur right? Well, not as it dinos and like all these companies out there that are huge on the internet that are making millions of dollars, but it's hard when there's messages, dinosaur. Right, well, not as it dinosaur. It's actually, I mean, it's dinosaur is, I don't know if dinosaurs are right where,

because I feel like what they're doing is working, and many people that are modeling after that is working too, it's more like, it's current, let's say, it's not forward thinking. Well, it's the wrong mess. It's what, it's what, it's what's click baity, right? It's what is going to draw attention to then try and market and sell them.

The key is to understand those methods and utilize them with our message, which is one of integrity, which is one of real good fitness advice that helps people for reals that doesn't just, isn't just bullshit But really it like you know that's what's sorely missing and you know We got to fight fire with fire so we're gonna use some of those those techniques

But we're not gonna sell bullshit, you know, I mean I mean that's one thing that we talked about from day one Yeah, and so I mean I can't wait till we're doing what they're doing but way better because of our That's what I was trying to get across to him is like, as like you need to know this, like I can't hold your hand through this conversation. Like you should be asking me, like what was it that made us, you know, partner with this company? Like what did you guys like so much about them

and what are they doing so different that you said note all these other companies but all of a sudden that you're working with this company? Like you need to be prompting those questions from me, so that I can then give you those answers, and then you can think creatively to create these videos. You know what, let's give them some green juice, give them the thing.

No, I did. I haven't used it. Yeah, I did, yeah, no, because I was making it for myself, and so I let them taste it, and some of that, and I told them I was showing them what it well was, and I flipped it around,

and was kind of teaching them everything. I thought I'd never say this, but I actually enjoyed using a green powder. I never thought I would say that. Well, I don it around and was kind of teaching him. I thought I'd never say this, but I actually enjoy using a green powder. I never thought I would say that. Well, I don't replace vegetables with it, by the way. I'm not in that camp, but I actually enjoy using it. Well, that's what I think it's someone asked. I've been getting actually a lot because I posted on my Insta story.

And they're like, oh, how often are you taking this? And it's like, well, I don't have a, I take this four times a week, or I take this every day at this time, I evaluate my diet, right? So in a perfect world, I'm not taking this. Like in a perfect world, I am getting, you know, four to six good sized servings of vegetables a day. But in reality, I fucking know I can't always do that,

you know, and so I'll look at like the previous day, if I go like, oh shit, I only got like two servings yesterday, and I'm heading into this day, and oh look, I already missed it in one meal already. I'm gonna take that, because I already know that I'm behind from the, so that's how I use it. So sometimes in a week, I could use it four times,

maybe one time another week, and then maybe seven times another week. And when we're traveling and we're doing things, I'm not being able to get to my meals like I normally would. So yeah, I even drink a lot of water and every now and then like, you know, I get this sort of craving for some juice or you know, soda or something like that.

So I've actually ended up like using the green juice like in replacement of that. So something like I would normally do where I'm sort of, you know, I'm casual about it. I'm hanging out and you know, that's something that I can drink that's a little bit different. No, that's smart. So I used to do this all the time when I was,

when I was getting ready for shows and I was competing and obviously I can't have things that are, you know, Oh, I could see a big, I could definitely see about it. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. I mean, not only my feeling my body was stuff that it needs and is good for, but it's also, what is like six calories per Yeah, it's like it's and then if you blend it on ice, it's kind of low

So I mean that's but how you use it there Justin that's definitely how I use it during competing time because this is how I Get this like okay satisfies this craving and to be honest to be totally transparent like I used to use a lot of times like BCAA some of that which is got the bullshit flavoring and stuff. Oh, that's because you want that taste. Yeah, just because I want something. You still want the diet coaxing. Right. And then too, or sometimes.

Right, so, but this is a much better alternative to that that doesn't have all that crap in it, so. So you got it, so Justin, I want you to tell. Yeah, I want you to tell Adam that story that you told me out there. You want me to tell it? Dude, it's Tissy. I know you're tormented. I that you told me out there. You want me to tell it? Dude. It's Tessie.

I know you're tormented. I'm a little tormented just because... But it's life, dude. It's what you have to do. It is life, dude. This was intense. This is an intense thing I had to go through. He was...

He had trouble telling me this story. Well, only because... Nah, I'm all yours. Well, I didn't want to come across certain ways. You know, on the podcast, we have to kind of think about things at a time like what people's reaction maybe to, you know, on the podcast, we have to kind of think about things at a time like what people's reaction maybe to, you know, like we kind of do that.

Yeah, like kind of, yeah, but I don't know. Doug would probably disagree. I'm totally okay with talking about stuff and this is part of life, right? So I haven't even brought up the chickens in a really long time. Yeah, what's going on with them? Did you say them? No, listen, did you let me tell my damn story?

Listen, you know, I suck at telling stories. You guys fucking jack me every time. Yeah, what's going on with them? Did you say them? No, listen to that. Let me tell my damn story. You know, I suck at telling stories. You guys fucking jack me every time. Yeah, sorry. So basically, okay, like I have, I have how many now? I have probably like six or, no, I have eight because we just added two.

Okay. They ain't got a lot of chicken. We got a lot. And we just got these two that two months ago, Courtney decided, oh, we need, because they're not really producing. They're still having a really hard time producing eggs and we were trying to figure it out. We make it feel comfortable, dude.

We ended up getting like two eggs for them to be moms and, you know, kind of deal with that whole thing that they had going on. And, you know, they grew up and now we have those other two, but they're still like this dysfunction amongst the group, right? And, Dude, you took care of that. Yeah, well, we'll get to all this. But basically, so there's one chicken that just dominates. Right?

And so, there's like the two new ones are the sweetest little chickens, like ever. Like one of them comes up to me, I like pet it and stuff and like my youngest son, he, that's like his little buddy, you know? And it's the cutest little chicken. Anyways, all these other ones are assholes. So the actually little dog is the cute one.

Yeah, the cute ones little, you know, and we just introduced them to the group and like it took them forever to accept them because they're assholes. Right. And, um, I know chickens were such fuckers. Oh yeah, for sure.

The chicken fuckers. Yeah. You got a mischisers of feet, did? Mischisers of feet. Yeah, that's how we get them settled down and have more eggs. You should do that all the time. Are you serious? I should, I should consult you.

Anyway. I should have consulted you. Anyway, basically, so there's this one, this one chicken, And it's a big one, right? Big, the biggest of the big, right? It eats all the food, pecks the fuck out of everybody else. Like, it almost left one of the smaller ones, a sweet one, like dead. Like, it just pecked the hell out of it,

ripped out all its feathers. Oh fuck. I mean, it was like, oh, this asshole, you know. And Courtney was just like, you know, At a loss because in the mornings every morning it crows with just like a rooster It's just like super loud and obnoxious 6 am. This has been happening for the last couple of weeks and like I know Our neighbors do not like us. Yeah, this thing is just obnoxious. It's like just going after everybody. It's like hoarding all the way.

Bro, what did you do? Just listen. This is all part of the story. So they have engaged here. Yeah. Yeah. So you obviously had to practice a story like that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

I'm just getting better. So I take this chicken, right? It's the spotted chicken. Um, I just have to be clear about all this stuff. I took him, him her and I walked away from the coop and I'm petting it nicely. But you had to do research, right? To figure out how to... I did have to do research.

Anyway, the climax is I had to take care of it, right? I had to take care of this problem. So Courtney and I kind of decided, she actually was thinking about herself. She's like, oh my God, this thing, it's like, it's taking over everything. We gotta do something about it. So I just can't do it. And she just was all like distraught about it and asked me to take care of it.

And I was like, okay, you know, like this is something that I have to do. And so I went on YouTube and I'm looking up some different techniques. You know, the most humane, you know, are the most like the quickest way. What are you looking up for? What what take care of what? Oh to kill it kill it. Yeah. Oh shit. Tell me. I'm a speedy speaking and fucking parable. I can't put it together. I didn't want you to yet. Oh you can't.

It's like the end of the story. What happened to John? Yeah, yeah. You killed it. It's like the end of the story. He's like the mafia. What happened to John? He took care of it. He said, did Carol, like, you jerk it off? What are you doing? What's going on? I mean, I definitely did something to it's next. So you came over.

Are you ready to kill it? Yeah. So I took it out, you know, away from the group and I was like, you know, I want it, like, I love animals, dude. And so I'm just petting it and I'm like, you know, I want to make sure that it, like, it, it knows. Like, I'm like, dude, you know, I want it, like I love animals, dude. And so I'm just petting it. And I'm just like, you know, I want to make sure that it, like it, no, it's like I'm like, dude, you know, this has to happen, you know, just petting it, it was looking at me a certain way.

And so I grabbed it by the neck and, you know, I did this technique. And so, you know, like I swung it and then, you know, just snap this neck. And, you know, then it got crazy. So it's still alive for a minute. So yeah, so what was it doing like fighting? It'll run around like crazy.

So his whole head kind of filled down, you know, and then like, and then it's whole, it was like trying to kind of move and Pita's coming out. Yeah, and then I was, yeah, and then I was like, you know, put it down and try to let it all kind of resolve. And then it looked like it resolved. And I'm like, oh man, okay, and I went to go get it, cause, and then the body resurrected.

And then it just, you know, jumped, and went right back towards the coop. And then like, these other two chickens, they came out of nowhere, like the younger ones. And they, like, it was in the corner, I was kind of watching it. I was right next to this, this, the stair. And like, these other two chickens came right over

and started pecking the shit out of it and like trying to like, like, get into the action. Bro, they saw, they saw, like, like, piranhas. And these are the two that love Justin. I can't believe you didn't consult me on any of this stuff. I know that this is what I did, bro. I honestly, bro, I didn't even think about it. Yeah. So, I mean, I would have walked you through't consult me on any of this stuff. I know that this is what I did right I honestly bro. I didn't even think about yeah

I mean I would have walked you through exactly how to do all I supposed to do should have done is you actually should have broke It's neck in front of everybody else all the rest of the rest of the day new should have said yes set the precedence right there Who's boss? I think about that right there. You should have had that as I was holding it in my arms and and walking it away from them Just like I kind of looked them on the eyes like yeah, yeah, just listen, this is, you know, this is why you're looking at me as the reality. It's kind of the reality. But the funny, the crazy part to me is that the two little sweet chickens saw the big one

that's fucking going down and they're like, yeah! You know what I mean? Almost as if they planned the whole thing. Like they were sweet to Justin as kids. Wow, I didn't think of that. They totally wasn't. You're making connections. Was it just that the other day? This is yesterday. Oh, this all happened think of that. They told me you're making connections. Was it just that the other day?

This is yesterday. Oh, this all happened to you yesterday. So let me ask you tonight. So I know you're an animal lover for sure. Definitely. You're not, have you ever been hunting? I, you know what, I've been hunting but I haven't actually killed anything.

So it's okay. So you had just with the bare hands, I could. What, how do you do that? Like what happens? I had to like, I had to really kind of sum in this other operating system. I just like, I had to like, I'm like, look, this just has to be done, like, I have to do this

in a certain way. Did you feel like a caveman on the floor? Yeah, so I just like, it brought back this, yeah, this real weird like primal, yeah, like the button, you know, even like, like, it's just half it. The first time you do that shit, it's real. It's very real. Most people have a hard time. I know I struggle with that stuff working with it.

I mean, I get used to it really quick, but I remember. How do they kill chickens normally? Oh, dude, we don't want to go down. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, yeah, no, I have some, I mean, when you get into some stories like that, we'll talk off air of some of the shit that I had to do and go through like it working on a ranch. You know, there were some gruesome shit. And you and your friend, you gave it to your friend, right?

Yeah, I gave it to your friend. She's made this nice stew out of it. So the way I look at it is like, because I want to, I've never been hunting. I've never killed an animal before. I love animals, but I also eat animal. I eat meat all the time. And I want to go hunting so bad, but it's not because I want eat animal. I eat meat all the time. Right. And I want to go hunting so bad, but it's not because I want to hunt,

it's because I feel like a massive hypocrite, because I eat meat, but I've never killed it before. Yeah. And so, Well, that's what a lot of vegetarians will tell you, they'll say, like, you should go out and do that, and if you still feel fine and okay with it,

that's what I want to do. That's where I, that was literally going through my head. Like I felt like connected to, because we had meet that night too. And I'm just like, okay, you know, like this is like the reality of what it takes, you know, to produce your food on my table. Like I have to know, you know,

I got to be a part of that. And I still felt like this is life. Like this life takes life to survive. So, you know, this is one didn't use this is one of those things I didn't eat chicken for a couple weeks after the first experience for me But mine was really gruesome compared to that Oh, yeah, so I we actually I didn't want to cut it so we we raised them we raised them Killed them pluck them. Yeah, boiled them. I did all that like I did like from start to finish like every for every process of that

Right and the first time we had to do that, it was like, just because it was one of the sweeter ones. Well, and I spent hours, hours of doing that one day. You know what I'm saying? My first day of doing that was like, all day, all I'm doing is slitting throats and like to, and then, and working, working with them for like four hours. And then like later that night, like, yeah, chicken didn't sound very good that day Well, it took me about a week or so before it's this it's this part of it It's this part of us as humans that we are completely disconnected from I mean the only time you see that's good point

You only time you see meat in modern societies is at the grocery store and it's covered in plastic in a container And it's a cut of meat like you don't realize and so I've had this this thought so many times Because I do have a lot of empathy for vegans who do it for moral reasons I've said it so many times in the podcast and part of me's like look I need to go kill an animal and eat what I kill Otherwise, I feel like a massive hypocrite because one or two things gonna happen I'm gonna kill the animal and then become a vegan. Because if I have a big problem with it, that's what I'm gonna do.

Or I kill it, realize what's going on. And don't become a vegan. But I was... I could see you going that direction. Yeah, what? Going vegan, can you do that? You think so? Yeah, out of the three of us in this room,

I think you're the most likely to do that. Maybe. Yeah. Who knows? I don't know, because I've never done it. The closest I've ever come was when I went to Sicily as a 12, was I 12, 12 years old, and we went to my cousin had just eloped with this dude who was from like the hills of Sicily. So they're like old school Sicilian, like you drive

up, and they've got, you know, suspenders on and a rifle, and they've got animals, and, you know, like old school Sicilian people. And we walk into this barn where we were all gonna have this big dinner later on that night and there's a, I'm 12 so I have no idea what the fuck's going on. And there's this like little like lamb, tied up in the corner.

So I'm like, oh, they have a pet. It's so cute. So I played with the lamb. I'm over there playing with it. And it's doing the whole thing and, fuck, dude, next thing I know, like two hours later, here comes my uncle and my dad and all these guys and they've got the knife and they're like,

hey, you want to watch us kill the, you know, this is what we're gonna have to knife for dinner. And I'm like, oh, fuck. But I'm 12 and you know, a 12 is a boy, you're trying to become a man, right? So if I was like 10, I would have been like, no, no, no, no, around away. But I'm 12 so I'm like, okay, I have have ran away, but I'm 12, so I'm like,

okay, I have to stay here and watch this whole thing. And I did, and I watched the whole thing, and it disturbed me, but then I ate the meat, and I was okay, so I think I'll be okay hunting too. I told you guys for my best friend who got married just as loud, this was last year that you were four, right? I had to go, that was part of my duties as a best man, him and I had to go slaughter a pig.

What? Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's a lot more involved. Yeah, it's a long one. That's part of my duties as the best man him and I had to go slaughter a pig. What? Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's a lot more involved. Yeah, it's a long, that's part of it. Oh, yeah. And then from that you literally slaughter it and then we go and clean it all, like all the brothers and all the family get together and that's all part of the wedding process. We got it.

Yeah. Oh my God. And then you prepare it and then for the wedding dinner and everything, that's part of the wedding dinner. So you have got it animals before, like my grandpa, like, would put up a deer and then you prepared and then for the wedding dinner and everything, that's part of the wedding dinner. So you have got it animals before, like my grandpa would put up a deer and I'd help him clean it out and all that stuff and I've done that with fish countless times.

This is the first time, you know, like with the live animal where I'm just like, okay, when you take the life like that and that close with your bare hands, it's a different theme. It's a part of it, it's my hand. Because I've done all of it, right? So I've done not all of it a difference. It's a part of it. It's my hand. I've done all of it, right? Not all of it, but I've done a lot of that, right?

Being growing up on a farm, been around a lot of stuff with that, and I've even hunted. There's a difference in shooting something from a distance and falling down and then you dragging it home and then having to do so, versus with your bare hands having to take the lot of close and personal. I'm wondering why the birds not coming. Save us. Say listen, burn your cool. Just be cool, right?

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You mentioned protein cycling and cycling other supplements such as creatine. How often and how long should you cycle these other supplements? That's a great question. I don't think there's a good specific answer. I really don't. Well, they're varied. I can tell you what I do, you know, with protein cycling, I have anywhere between two, two, maybe six days out of the month.

So either once a week, once or twice a week, or sometimes once every other week, okay? So it depends on what's happening with my life at the time, but I will have a low protein day, or even just a low calorie day. In fact, when me and Adam were in an LA, I don't think I ate more than 1200 calories each day.

We ate almost, we barely ate every eight. And when I do that, I actually feel phenomenal, not during, while I'm doing it during it, I don't really notice this early, notice anything. But when I come back and they eat normally, I seem to get this boost that I wouldn't have gotten had I not done that in terms of performance or whatever. And so that's one of the reasons why I do it. The other reason why I do it is going low on protein or fasting where you don't have any protein.

That's one of the reasons why you accelerate or promote a poptosis of sales, which is the program cell death. So it's the lack of carbohydrates and the lack of protein that actually promote that. Now fat will inhibit some of it, but you can have just fat and low calories and not have protein or carbohydrates, and you'll still do this. In fact, Dr. Valtolongo is his fasting mimicking diet

is similar to that. I know I'm butchering it, but it's similar to what I'm talking about. As far as creatine is concerned, I used to take creatine every day, day and and day out. For years, you said, right? Since I was 16. Oh, wow.

That consistent with you. Yeah. So I've been taking creatine for a very, very long time. Luckily, it's been proven to be safe. Oh, wow, that consistent one. Yeah. So I've been taking Crate Team for a very, very long time. Luckily, it's been proven to be safe. Oh, man. I know that was stuck up some shit. Great. But I only take Crate Team on my hard workout days now.

So now I take it probably three days a week. And that's pretty much it. So I guess that counts as cycling. I should probably go completely off for a couple weeks weeks, but I think it's a good idea to do all supplements that way. And the way I judge it with supplements, because there are some supplements that I'll take that I notice somewhat of a benefit,

is I'll take them until I notice I don't get that benefit that much anymore, and then rather than taking more, I stop. So coffee is an example. Coffee, caffeine. I get a great benefit from it. I feel great. I feel motivated. I get lots of ideas.

I'm on fire. The, when I start to notice that I drink the caffeine and don't get really that much of it, and it just kind of makes me feel normal. That's when I start to cycle out of it, and then kind of repeat the cycle. So. Well, I like that you said that because you're right. I think it's almost impossible to give a protocol for this because of the individual variance

of not only the individual variance of everybody's body types and genetic makeup, but even their routines and their habits and the foods that they naturally gravitate would completely change how I would recommend this. For example, when we talk about creatine, not that long ago, I just started. It was maybe two, three weeks ago now, or I don't know when this comes out. So it's only been a small while that I've been taking creatine again. And part of the only reasons why I did that, one, I've been a long time stuff taking creatine again. And part of the only reasons why I did that, one, I've been a long time stuff taking creatine and I've been meaning to get around to like,

oh, let's see if I throw it in and see if I notice a little difference, right? The other reason that really sparked me to do it was that I had reduced my red meat intake significantly. And that's the main source that we where we can find creatine in naturally, right? So you eat a steak, you get some creatine in there and it's not quite the amount that you would get in a Supplement serving, but if you're somebody like me who eats red meat a lot, I'm getting quite a bit of

Natural creatine in my diet and because I haven't been eating nearly as much I thought, okay, well this will be a good time to do it because if I've ever was gonna see a boost from supplementing for it, it would be when I'm lacking it in my diet. So, and the same thing would go true for things like protein. Like the people that I think in my opinion are gonna benefit the most from cycling off protein or having a protein free day like Sal does,

other people that over consume it. So if you're somebody who consumes 200 grams, 300 grams of protein pretty consistently, those guys and girls are gonna see probably the most benefit for cycling off of it once or every other week where you have a day where you pretty much don't have any or have very, very minimal.

So that's how I would recommend if you're somebody who is oversaturating yourself with, you know, a protein, I would be, I would cycle off of it pretty frequently. Like if you're a high protein intake person, 200 grams plus for a normal body weight, I would be telling you, okay, once a week, kind of like, what've been Poculski recommends. That's what he said, right? Once a week. Yeah.

That was the goal that I used to aim for. Yeah, I think, but I also think if you're someone like me, where right now I'm struggling to hit my protein targets. You know, I think it's, although I still think it's beneficial, I think it's less beneficial for me who's already struggling to get enough protein in on a regular basis, then the guy or girl who is over-consuming a lot. So just keep that in mind.

Did you notice anything, by the way, from the creatine? Because you said you hadn't taken it I am digging it right now. I'm feeling I'm feeling good my workouts stronger right? Yeah, stronger and going longer You know my stamina and my workouts if I mean that's really what it does, right? I mean we're replenishing our Stronger and good That's the best tagline. Yeah, the best crazy commercial of all time I was gravitating to that.

It's one of the few supplements you can take and notice. You know what I mean? Where you take it and it's within five days. You're like, oh shit, I can tell. Oh yeah, I know. Because we were not sponsored by a creative company and organized doesn't supply creatine, I had to go buy it, right?

And I asked the guy, I'm like, hey, I want to get creatine, I just want the pill form. Which ones you got? He's like, oh, we got these right here. He's like, take that one. And I'm like, hey, I want to get creatine, I just want the pill form, which one's you got? And he's like, oh, we got these right here. He's like, take that one. And I'm like, oh, what's up with a Crete 5000? Why is this one? He's like, well, that one has creatine and ATP. And I'm like, boom.

It's like soaking my drops. What do you mean? He's like, yeah, yeah, no, you got to get that one. That's the newest one that has creatine and ATP. And I'm like, okay, that doesn't make sense to me. The fucking Cretein is what's getting converted over into ATP. You'll have my understand what how you're Putting that in powder form and I try to get him to explain it to me and I was just never mind. I'll just I'll go home You know, it's funny about the home and look it up myself. That's not that's not the way it works

So yeah, you can buy Dinoscient but your body doesn't your body. No, you destroy it destroy it, it doesn't do any, it's, so it's like... It's like, it's like when people take left in the same thing. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't work. It's like, here's a good example. If you want to boost nitric oxide, okay, Argonine is one's basically the closest step to converting to nitric oxide. However, Citroline, which gets converted to Argonine, which then gets converted to Necric oxide,

does a much better job of boosting Necric oxide than Argonine does, even those are an extra step. And that's because it doesn't get destroyed by the body like Argonine does. So yeah, I love seeing these supplements like pure ATPs. Why would I even take Cratee and then? I'll just take that shit and just be like, oh that's why I was so confused.

But I'm like, don't, I'm like, this is hilarious that they're now doing this with Cretan. I didn't even know that this was a thing until, because I hadn't bought Cretan in a long time. It has molecules. And I'm like, you're right. That's kind of like powerful. He's like telling me, and I'm like,

oh, I shouldn't have asked, why did I do that? That's literally what they say, right? Yeah, totally. Why should I take this Cretan? Oh, it's got, it's got enzymes. It's chemical explosion. No, no, no, electrolytes. That's the one I? Oh, it's got, it's got enzymes. It's chemical explosions. No, no, no, electrolytes. That's the one I'm very, very, very, very,

the catalyst. It's a natural stimulation. It catalyzes animalism. You know, I don't, I mean, a little bit of an off topic, a bit of it is along these lines. I mean, this is what, this is what the industry does is we take a little bit of information that we know

is true. We know that creatine helps replenish your ATP, ATP molecules. With that, what if we put ATP in with the creatine? Boom! Anybody start of the combo. If somebody who is a average consumer who may have read a couple magazine articles or a study, you might look at that and go like, oh shit, this shit's on the irregular creotene

because I'm getting the ATP with my creotene. Oh man, yeah. So. Some of the supplements out there crack me up like deer antler velvet. Yeah. Like how are they harvesting this? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, say. There's like a whole bunch of like deer and there's a people like just picking up the velvet. Well, what is it? The white tree bark that's blessed by monks that you always say. The bad, or they put some kind of like urine you know, like for like testosterone.

There is a urine one, right? What is that? Bull frog urine. Oh my God. It has to be some weird, right? It does. People will buy it. Yeah, yeah. People won't buy it if it's like,

Yeah, if I said, hey, I pissed in this, this is gonna help you. It can't be like, it's not gonna be gold on testosterone. If you drink this, you're gonna get results. It can't be like golden retriever urine. We'd be like, ah, that's not that exotic. Right. You know, like, yeah.

Yeah, African frog snake piss or some weird shit like that. Oh my God. Wow. I've never heard of an African frog snake. It's like from ancient Greece. That's crazy. You guys know what's a little creature.

You guys know horny goatweed, right? There's a supplement. So horny goatweed actually has a, something in it that does prevent the enzyme that degrades nitric oxide from doing what it does. So you do get better boners with Hornigotweed. Do you go as know why it's named Hornigotweed? Yeah. Well, I'm sure the goats were banging stuff, right?

Yeah, so, uh, like, herders, uh, notice this is the legend. Notice that their goats were just like fucking like raging, like crazy. Yeah. And they deduced that the, oh, it's because they're eating these things So then they picked them and then they made their own teas and whatever this is a long time. It's an old supplement Oh my god, and then a wise tell to or crazy goats No, it's literally why it's called horny goat weed Wow, you know what I mean? It's cool because it's got my three favorite thing there you go ladies

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Brunk writer 34445 can't eat vegetables. The thought of putting something green in his mouth repulses him. Both the taste and the texture. Hold on, how old is this guy? It stops. Keep going. Yeah. So putting something on them or cooking them just doesn't do it. The only way is to blend with a bunch of fruit and almond milk. Is this a sustainable way to get nutrition or is he missing out on blending? You want it in a sippy cup? Yeah, just a... You're a dick.

You know what? This is actually more common than you would think, actually. But you know what pisses me off about this question? What? I'll tell you what pisses me off. Vegetables is a big category. So like can he? Vegetables.

He's made up his mind. I'm not going to eat vegetables. Like that's the number one thing. But let's just say you do genuinely, you don't have an allergy to them and they don't, you know, they don't, you don't have some psychological blockage because that could be very true too. Like you could psychologically be so repulsed

that the whole thing is going to go. Well, I was going to go, I'm going to go to that in that direction. So if you finish your statement here, because I, I'm going to defend this poor guy after you just mutilate him. So, no, I'm not going down that direction. So if you finish your statement here, because I'm gonna defend this poor guy after you just mutilate him. So, no, I'm not gonna mutilate him. So, I have a story that is kind of related to this

that I've experienced recently. So I don't make any, it's not a mystery that I don't like the taste of alcohol. I just simply don't. I don't enjoy alcohol at all. If I do drink, it's because I plan on getting buzzed or drunk, so it's not like I'm enjoying the alcohol. And if I want to enjoy the taste of alcohol, it's usually mixed with some kind of colorful

food. Yeah, I'm going to get something that Adam and Justin are going to make fun of me over, which is always happening. So, but, you know, this whole time, like, I'm a time my family they love wine and you know my ex wife's family used to drink wine all the time and You know my girlfriend she enjoys whiskey believe her not and sometimes she'll and she likes red wine And so she's telling me like we're having this conversation. I'm like I just don't like the fucking taste like I don't like the taste and she's like you have to be mindful of it you have to smell it and start to appreciate the flavor, not necessarily like the flavor,

but just appreciate and really be mindful of it. So, I actually have been having a shot glass worth of wine every night for the past, maybe three nights, just a shot glass worth, because I'm not trying to drink a lot of alcohol, but because I'm trying to do this, and I'm approaching it with the mentality of, I want to see where I can take my mind with this,

not necessarily because I want to drink wine, but because a lot of people like wine, there's a reason why a lot of people like wine, right? So let me see what I can do with this. So she pours me just a shot glass worth, and it takes me, no joke, will sit outside for an hour and a half, and we'll have conversation. That's how long it takes me to drink this,

because what I do is I smell it, I stick my nose in the glass, and I smell it, and smell it, and smell it. Then I taste a tiny bit, let it sit in my mouth, and I'm really trying to understand the flavor and appreciate it. And something interesting happened, something snapped. After the second or third night, I recognize, it reminded me a little bit of vinegar

and I don't mean because it's bad wine, but if you leave wine out too long, it does turn into that, right? And there's something. Yeah, somebody who's a big wine connoisseur is listening right now and they're like, bro, you're drinking shit wine. No, no, no, no, no.

What I mean is it's like, I don't know, I can kind of understand now why people appreciate a little bit. And I do like, Oh, you drink kombucha, right? Exactly. Yeah. So I'm realizing that part of the reason why I don't like wine

isn't because I don't like wine necessarily. It's because I decided I didn't like wine. A long time ago when I was a kid, put that in your head, totally. It's always been your go-to. Totally. And so now, believe it or not, I'm starting to appreciate a little bit.

And I think if I keep up with it, I'll probably start to enjoy the taste. Now, my girlfriend has had a similar experience with vegetables. She grew up in a family that ate no vegetables ever. She'd never ate vegetables at all until her 20s, and she said she did the same thing where just the smell of vegetables or the side of it made her gag, but then she started really getting into health and wellness. So she started doing what I did with the wine. And she said, after doing that, after a few months, there were certain vegetables that she started to enjoy eating.

And now me and her, like vegetables, one of our favorite parts of our meals. Now I grew up with vegetables, so it's not a big deal. But she is a huge vegetable lover. We'll show you eat the, enjoy the taste. So that would be some advice I'd give you in terms of trying to eat them. Oh, well, before you go, the reason why I'm so hard on him is because of the fact that, as I was raised,

that was like, I hated them, I hated vegetables because if I figured out, once I moved out of the house or not even moved out of the house or not even moved out of the house, I think once I was like in junior high or high school, it's like I started to go out and go to my friends' houses and taste how they prepared them. And that was like game changer. It was like, it was getting microwaved, it was like butter all over it. So the go to for like my parents was like,

you will eat this and so we'll make it more tasty. By putting like, velvety cheese on it and like, you know, like butter and like all these things and they made it more soggy, more disgusting and it's just like, it was terrible. So, you know, when I actually had a little bit of like a crunch to it and, you know, I was able to really kind of taste

how it should taste with like light, you know, oil on it or like it was, it had some garlic or it had, you know, something that, you know, on the preparation of it, it changed everything. So well, I had a similar relationship with them as Jessica did. And that's where I was going to defend this guy or girl, whoever, I don't know if it's a guy or girl, defend them about this is because, you know, I struggle with this for a long time and there was a couple of reasons.

And I find it most common that when I have clients that struggle with eating vegetables, share this similar story. Now there's exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, most people that can't stand them hate them all the stuff What kind of where Sal was going is at some point in your life like you've established this You know and more more often than not when you were a child and either one you had a parent that forced it down your throat And so there is this like resentment that you have to you know like when your parents tell you have to do something

You really don't want to do just because you're being told to so you've built this relationship with it because you have to, you know, like when your parents tell you have to do something, you really don't want to do it just because you're being told to. So you've built this relationship with it because you had to. Now you don't want to or you grew up in a home like mine where my parents not only didn't make us have vegetables, we rarely even had them around. And so I ate sugar and crap and all kinds of bad food. And so I never even even created a palette for that. And I was eating all these foods that were artificially enhanced that caused my Palette to be off so then when I go to try and eat vegetables

They're bland and boring as fuck and just tastes like I'm eating grass and then I get then I get older and I get a little bit Wizer and realize okay, vegetables are important I need to make sure I have them but now I'm like in my early 20s and I'm a trainer now and I know I need to Someone have them but then now I'm like in my early 20s and I'm a trainer now, and I know I need a somewhat habit. But then I would eat them, but it would be like forcing them down because I'm eating them because I know I need them, but I can't enjoy them because at that time in my life, I was still suffering from the demonizing of fat.

And so I didn't use olive oil or salts or butter or things that could make a frickin vegetable really, really fuckin' good when you learn to cook with these things. So I was eating just plain ass broccoli, asparagus, green beans, I mean just boiled or steamed with nothing on them. So you know, talk about a guy who already doesn't have a palate for it and their palettes all fucked up because of all the crap I used to consume. Then I go to eat vegetables.

Then when I'm eating the vegetables, I'm steaming or boiling them only. So I was like, this is just rough for me. Now it wasn't until later on that I really start to enjoy them when I started to season them and I used salts and butters and oils and balsamic and actually could learn to prepare them a little better and it was like, oh shit, okay, these could be a little more palatable. That really changed the game for me. But I will say this, you don't wanna beat up on yourself

if this is one of the ways that you get your supplements. I think that's totally okay if you blend them up. I think we're trying to address this relationship that you have with it and talk about site. You're not losing, but by blending it up, you're not, I mean, that you have with it and talk about site. You're not losing by blending it up. You're not, I mean, if you were juicing it, different story, but if you're blending it, you're getting a lot of the benefits from it.

And this is also why I highly recommend the green juice that we use for morganify. If you're somebody who doesn't consistently like me, because even though I've learned to like them more, I eat them more often, there's still our days where I could go all day long and not really get any vegetables in. And so when I do that, then it becomes important that I include something like this into my diet because I'm already somebody who has to actively think about, including, I'm like Sal out of all of us is the best of this. This guy will literally come in with, you know,

four cups of broccoli and he'll sit down and eat just broccoli by the mountain. Yeah, and I've tried to, since being around him, that's something that I've taken and I've tried to do. And I've definitely gotten better with it. I definitely can do that now. I've learned, I've dug, made this incredible dish for us one of the first times we traveled with the Brussels sprouts.

Yeah, the Brussels sprouts. That was good. And walnuts and bacon. That's all we ate that in. And balsamic and then ghee butter over it. And I've shared this recipe on my Instagram before. Like man, I literally now will sit down and just eat a whole bowl of Brussels sprouts

because it actually tastes phenomenal. So, you know, between trying to put that in and practice it using different things to prepare it, look up recipes, if you're just boiling or steaming it, man, that shit can get born in real fast, especially with somebody that's already struggling psychologically with them and doesn't enjoy the taste. Well, here's, there was a second part too

about blending them. If he's missing out because he's blending them, I addressed that. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much okay But but also keep keep this in mind and I'm learning more and more about the importance of this chewing your food. Yes, part of the digestion. It is not only is chewing your food part of the digestion So people I used to think chewing the food is part of the digestion because it's just my teeth breaking it down No, that's what you're thinking. It's also the saliva. Yeah, for sure.

Your saliva mixes in there. And while you're chewing things, your stomach is producing things. So it's actually a big part of it. So yeah, you can totally blend them. It's totally fine. That's a great way to get them. If you hate them, absolutely hate them.

But chewing and eating things is the best way. I mean, is it hard for you not to feel like a parent right now though? It's just chew your food and eat your greens. Okay? Do it. Alright, next up, Nick Ford Health. On the days he uses Asana after training, should he do his post prime directly after his workout or after his Asana?

This is a good question. I'm wondering if he's wanting to know prime pro or maps prime because if he's priming his body for his workout. Well, it's the post prime meaning that so in maps for the notification sessions. Yeah, so in maps, I'm saying. Yeah, so maps prime, so it's prime and prime pro. Maps prime teaches your body.

This is for the listeners who don't have the program. It shows you how to design your priming sessions, which is a far, far better thing than a warm-up because it sets your body up. So it sets what you do before, but also your pre workouts and do this and stuff. Right, so but it also shows, we don't talk about this much on the show, it also teaches you what you should do after after immediately after you work out with what we call a post-prime session. The post-prime sessions job, the pre-prime sessions job, is to set your body up for what you're about to do by giving you a better chance to have better recruitment patterns

based on your body. You're teaching your body these movements going into the workouts. Yes. After the workout, the post-prime session is designed to solidify whatever signal that you've sent with your workout. So that's an important thing to understand because the closer it is to after your workout, the better. But here's the second reason why you shouldn't do it after a sauna. And why you shouldn't do any kind of hard training or correctional anything after right after a hot sauna Heat does depress the central nervous system

That's why when you get really tired you get lazy and lethargic It's just part of what he does. It's part of the benefit of what he provides But if you're right after your sauna session Your number one you're far away from your workout or further away from your workout. So it loses some of its potency, but also you're all hot, your CNS is kind of down, down regulated a little bit and everything feels a little. Now you're going to go try doing this post prime session, which is supposed to take advantage

of the CNS that you just amped up with your workout. That is no longer there. So there's actually a big difference. You're far better off doing your post prime session right after your workout and then do the sauna afterwards, but not doing the sauna in between. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the mind pump family? Here's one of the best ways you guys can. You guys love that chimeric coffee that we have. Chimeric coffee with a K, you go to chimeracoffee.com, put in the discount code,

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New fucking sandbagger. Never on the sun races. Remember when we used to say sandbaggers? Do you remember that? Oh, at 24. Yeah, somebody who's a whole revenue for the next month. You know what they were doing? You're a sandbagger.

You know what they would do, Doug, because Doug's looking as if it, so at 24 Fitness, you would have these clothes out, okay? They wait months. There was an end of month clothes out, which is when you ended all the monthly promotions, and then there was a mid month clothes out, which is when you ended some shorter promotions

and the goal was to have these massive sales days, right? So what idiots would do, and I call them idiots, because I used to look at this and I just make close somebody right away and hold on doing it. It makes no fucking sense. Well, there's other things and sound like. They're motivated to win. Sal, can you explain it, Justin, this was long gone

by time Justin came in, but I remember this, do you remember that way back in the days when we actually could control when the credit card actually was charged? Oh my god. So a strategy that some would do would be this. So let's say, I max out my paycheck. So like back then we used to get paid by percentage of overrides. So if you hit 110% of goal or whatever back then, made X and I know this is so just so many. Yeah, super illegal. I fired so so let's say never did this.

Let's say I sold, you know, I hit a it's a day day before the end of the month and I hit my max goal. So I'm maxing out my You're not going to make any more money. I'm not going to make any more money, but the club still technically has about another $10,000 in revenue that people's credit cards are supposed to get ran that day. So what you would do is you would not run

those credit cards that day. You would wait till the first of the month the next day, and then you would run the $10,000 through to start the next month off really good so you're off in running. And that's sandbagging. That's real sandbagging, so. Oh, yeah.

All right, all right, all right. That is dirty. Horrible, dirty. There's more stuff. Okay, so we'll start with that. Well, we ever want a job back with anyway. We don't. So, sandbag training for muscular development and fat burdening is excellent.

One of the reasons why sandbag training is so awesome is because it is an awkward tool to hold. You can do things with sandbags that you can't do with weights and that you can't do with other tools. Just because of the nature of the sandbag itself, if you're an athlete, it's extremely valuable. If you're a grappler, a lot of your workout should be done with the sandbag. If you've got big sandbags that you could throw and lift and run with and put up on your shoulder to start lifting somebody up.

Right, exactly. Like how awkward that is. So it's very applicable to those types of sports and those interactions, you know, because yeah, the sandbag does provide that sort of, like that weight that shifts on you and you have to adjust and you have to be able to move your body accordingly. And so it's nice for training when, you know,

you're in those types of sports for sure. You have a lot of experience training. What's that? I mean, yeah. But what are some good like great exercises? I mean, I do some cleans with them, which I always like to do. I do some lunge walks where I have it like loaded on one side specifically. Or, you know, I'm carrying, I'm front loaded and I'm carrying it, just to accommodate for the weight, because a lot of times when I go to tackle, and they're still trying to drive forward, I would have to turn, and I have to keep driving,

and while their weight was shifting, I had to accommodate for that. So it was very applicable for a football, too. I think that you guys set all the good things about it. I think it's not the best thing for building said all the good things about it. I think here it's not the best thing for building muscle or the best accessory right it's something that I think yeah for aesthetics I don't know it would be right and so it is not like anything else I don't think that there's one thing that's the best for this or best for that

where I see it I think the person that should use it is if you're like, these guys just named a wrestler or a football player, it has way more carryover to what they're doing. Now, it does, I think, for functional training, like, so if you're someone who's more driven functionally, which is not muscle development or fat burning, you just want to be a functional person. You don't give a shit about how lean and ripped you are and how big your muscles are. They're not thinking about fat burning thrown in the sandbag right now. Well, that's exactly, and that's the question. The question is, you don't give a shit about how lean and ripped you are and how big your muscles are. They're not thinking about fat burning thrown in the sandbag right? Well, that's exactly, and that's the question. The question is, you know, both muscular development and fat burning, and I would say no, no, it's not. It's not that great for it in comparison to a bunch of other stuff that you should probably be doing inside the gym with barbells and dumbbells.

But I do think like the guys were just saying, it's an incredible tool. It's an awesome tool that can be utilized with lots of different benefits like the guys were just saying it's an incredible tool It's an awesome tool that can be utilized with lots of different benefits like the guys are just saying I also think that it's probably one of the more functional types of things that you can do in the gym because let's be honest in real life Like you know how many times have you thrown a bag of dog food over your shoulder and how many times you grabbed a Five gallon bucket of water and carried on one side how much was that 200 pounds that one that you picked up? Yeah, that's a great point that you said that Justin, because so they at the golds you work out at the right, they have this big 200 pound sandbag. Right.

And for from a muscular development perspective, and this is by the way, this is not for the beginners or intermediate. This is if you're advanced. So if you're at the level like Adam, where he's been training a long time, he understands his body, and he's been training a long time he understands his body and He's developed quite a bit of muscle already and he's trying to figure out different ways to hit muscles differently in the target small areas a

Sandbag can be amazing in one respect in particular Rounded back lifting. We don't talk about rounded back lifting now rounded back lifting doesn't mean that my My lower back is all rounded and I look like a dog taking a shit. That's not what I'm talking about. What I mean is, when you're doing a lift or a deadlift or a row or whatever, very rarely are you lifting with a lot of intensity where your scapula is spread. It's usually hugging.

Yeah, so with the sandbag, you got to lean over. Which in real life is actually more carbon. That's how you lift things. You lift things with the scapula. I mean, you go grab a couch or whatever, you're not sitting there with a super ridiculous posture, you gotta kind of reach around it and kind of hug it. And so when you're lifting a heavy sound bag off the floor

with this rounded upper back position, where your scapula spread, you will develop those muscles in different ways, differently than you would with other traditional, barbell lifts. And so like, for Adam, I mean, you did that for a second, right? And how did you notice? What did you notice in your back?

And all God, I mean, I, I over did it. I remember, I don't know if you guys remember, I did talk about it briefly on the show. I mean, that was somebody had posted, first of all picking it up. There's probably only, I don't know, maybe 10, 20 people in our gym that could even do that. 200 pound sandbag is no joke. Only Jerry, right? Yeah, I was lifting it up over five feet too. So I was lifting it up and then setting it up on a platform up about five feet, maybe

a little bit higher. So that's pretty fucking brutal. I mean, it's brutal to do one of those. I was trying to get 10 out for time. And I think I ended up doing 15 of them, just practicing the mechanics of it. And boy, was I frickin' sore. I mean, I was sore everywhere from my low back to my hamstrings, my glutes got sore from it, my biceps having to wrap my arms around that. Oh, I see a good point. Oh, God, my biceps felt like I had one of the hardest

bicep workouts I'd done in a long time. I mean, it got me, I overdid it for sure. I mean, I should have not, I mean. But it's interesting, because you could have done the same volume, the same intensity with other exercises that you're used to and you wouldn't have been hammered. Right, right, no, I mean, that definitely is an example

of how unique and different it is in comparison to normal barbell dumbbell movements. And then to go do something like that, uh, it, you know, it is that different from normal lifting that it got me really good. And of course, pushing at that level, that's not smart. That's not the smart trainer. I mean, I would never allow a client to have never done, like I had not done any real sandbag work or stonework, really ever, you know, but I'm a strong guy

who's aware of mechanics and I'm pretty good proprioception, so I feel confident that I could pretty much look at almost any movement and exercise and perform it, I would hope I can. And so instead of like working my way up to that, like I should have you know Maybe do a 50 pound bag then a hundred pound bag then a hundred feet Pound bag and then eventually get to 200 I went and grabbed the 200 pound bag

Which some guys can't even get off the damn floor and I did it in that you know I paid for it for sure. I'd like to get a sandbag in here. I think it'd be good We could show people how to use it. Yeah, no, I actually would be a nice YouTube series, you know, it is and it's actually not that expensive to do. And since we just brought it up right now, if you remind me when we get out of here, I'll order one because I wanted to do that already. So I'd love to get like from 50 to 200,

so 50, 150, and then 200. And then we've got the big steps so we can even emulate kind of what you did with that. Absolutely. Excellent. With that, we just talked about YouTube. We have a YouTube channel. We post a new video on it every single day, 365 days a year,

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