Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 579: Isometrics & Plyos as Trigger Sessions, Addressing Eating Disorders, Working the Floor as a Trainer & MORE

Episode Date: August 23, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about Isometrics and plyos for trigger sessions, tactics for "working the floor" as a trainer, advice for clients with eating disorders and how being in Mind Pump compares to being in a band. Guys talk about their weekends (4:15) Sal takes his kids to the Monterey Bay  Aquarium Adam goes to see Sam Hunt Adam used to "chew" Justin updates on his chickens Kids and Social Media / Hiring people in the future using it (20:00) Mind Pump having One Day Flash Sale this Thursday! (43:45) Sign up for 30 Days of Coaching to register Organifi Contest ideas? Quah question #1 – Would different styles of plyometric and isometric training be good for trigger sessions? (47:07) Trigger sessions frequency builders Use to perfect form, ranges of motion Prioritize around goal Quah question #2 – Can you guys explain some of your tactics that made you successful on the floor (big box gyms)? (57:00) Use how to use the front desk Learn how to use intercom Quah question #3 – Have you worked with clients with eating disorders? (1:10:15) Make them feel comfortable Quah question #4 – Justin, how does being in Mind Pump compare being in a band? (1:18:28) Chemistry   Related Links/Products Mentioned Organifi Coupon Code "mindpump" Unplugged: Evolve from Technology to Upgrade Your Fitness, Performance, & Consciousness - Brian MacKenzie and Dr. Andy Galpin (book) Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked - Adam Alter (book) People Mentioned: Nelly_Mo (@Nelly_Mo) | Twitter Ja Rule (@Ruleyork) · Twitter Philip H. Anselmo (@philiphanselmo) | Twitter Tom Cruise (@TomCruise) | Twitter Sam Hunt (@samhuntmusic) • Instagram Kendrick Lamar (@kendricklamar) | Twitter/Instagra Tom Bilyeu (@TomBilyeu) · Twitter Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) · Twitter Arnold (@Schwarzenegger) · Twitter Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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My be a good idea to hang out in the parking lot, see who drives up in the $100,000 whip. Yep, and sound like a douchebag. Then we could talk about, if you have clients with eating disorders, what you can do to help them and who you should send them to. And finally, Justin's been in a band before, does mind pump, prepare to being in a band?

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Welcome to the Sal and Adam show. Where are we talking shit about Justin? Who's not plugged in or on the show. So anyway, Adam, you ever seen somebody with Palor skin and Justin Yeah, never oh he's here. Yeah, Justin. How you doing buddy? What's up? You bastards? Hey Justin? Yeah, you're very rugged Handsome look to your face I know that it's it's huh.. Yeah. You're aware of it. For sure. You're not supposed to say

that, bro. It's what that carry me through life so far. It's supposed to be like, oh thank you for that compliment. Not be like, you know what I mean. What'd you guys do this? No, I own that. Would you do this weekend? If you have your kids or no, I do. I have my kids this weekend, how am I all week? I took, I took them to the Monterey Bay Aquarium. One of my favorite place on earth. Really? Oh, I love it there. One of my favorite points of honor. Really? Oh, I love it there. Oh, wow. I love it.

You know, it's funny. It's way smaller than I, it's one of those things. Mayor, when you were a kid that used to go to and you're like, oh, so big and amazing. I went there like maybe a year or two ago and I had been there in probably 20 years. It's kind of lost his luster. Oh, it's totally. It's like, I was like, this feels like an aquarium in somebody's house, dude. This is like a tiny little thing, dude. It's still one of the biggest aquariums in the world,

but you can walk the whole thing out. Is it really? Yeah. It's considered one of the biggest aquariums in the world. In the world. It's one of the largest aquariums in the world. Wow. It is.

I think it might even be top five. I don't know, we should find out. Wow. Doug, Google that. Top five aquariums in the world. So like Monterey Bay Aquarium and then put biggest aquarium in the world and see what pops up. I love it there. I absolutely love it. It's just fascinating. I find so many of their...

What's your favorite? The jellyfish or the big tank? So I love the jellyfish. They're just one of my favorites. They're weird. It's an alien. It's a weird organism. It's almost all water. You know that right? Jellyfish are like almost no Mass to them whatsoever and yet they float around and like move their tentacles. It's pretty crazy What are they feed off of bacteria? What do they plant them? Yeah, they lots of plankton fight all plankton or whatever Yeah, and then my daughter

loses like loses her mind for the sea otters Really? Yeah, just loses her. Is it too cute or what? They look like little, let's be honest. They got little like beards. They look like little teddy bears in the water. They're fucking adorable. Little teddy bears. They do, they look like little teddy bears,

if you look at them. And you know when they sleep together, if two of them sleep next to each other, they hold hands so they don't float away from each other. That's just ridiculous. That's too much. That's too much. Yeah.

The shark needs to eat them to regulate. No dude, no. That's too much. Oh it's just ridiculous. That's just too adorable. It's too much. Yeah. It's shark needs to eat them to regulate. No, dude. No. It's too cute. Oh, it's number five. It's the sixth largest aquarium in the world. Oh, see, not top five, right? Damn.

Wrong again, South. You know, it's cool to... Wrong again. Oh, yeah, you motherfucker. You know, it's cool to have all of that. I knew it wasn't top five. If I'm wrong, I'm always... I'm always just wrong.

It's never like very wrong. It's always just wrong. What's the number one biggest that you screw on down? That's fine. I bet it's in China. How much you want to bet it's in China or somewhere in the middle of the, in Dubai? Oh, Dubai, second place.

Dubai, of course. What's the first place? Take it all the money. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Oh, in Georgia? Is that in Georgia? Like America? I did not expect that.

At Lenta. Wow, I don't know. They had the biggest, uh, I've been to the world. Well, I think the bottom list, if we have a tour out there. I knew it. We have anybody to talk about? Do we have any podcasters out in Atlanta, Georgia?

In Atlanta? Do we? I don't know. I don't think so. It goes on out. I don't know anybody. I can't see them out there. In the ATL.

Cool Casino in aquarium. I'm down to go out there just for those two reasons. I'm down. Do they still make good hip hop music? Or are they done now? I'm looking at you at it because you're always on the I'm down. Dude, they still make good hip hop music? Or are they done now? I'm looking at you at it, because you're always on the up and up. Yeah, we're in the hotspot,

I'm not that much on the up and up, where I know where the skies are born, dude. I don't know if fucking know who's, I'm sure, dude. Because it was a thing for a while, right? It was East Coast, then West Coast, and then- You're thinking of Nelly.

Atlanta had like a, they had, no, they had more than that, didn't they? Hot Atlanta. Yeah, no, I mean that whole crew that was attached to Nelly is all from that area what's his name what's that little dirty style the big the big the he sounds like is a big guy but he's not he's a little guy little guy a little girl oh Oh, Joe rule was it for me I don't know he might be from

that's it that about that guy I either of I that was a good that was a good one right you remember the first time hold that one that resurrected that one I remember the first time you saw him you're like that guy makes that voice Yeah, yeah, he's not even the emulator tiny. It's like the lead singer lead singer of pantera wasn't he a little guy too? Yeah, feeling some oh yeah, I don't think I mean he wasn't that big Yeah, but you hear these guys's voice and you expect oh yeah, he was angry did this You know a lot of like famous actor singers a lot of them are really short

Yeah, it's really common a lot of times in movies they have to shoot yeah, Hollywood shoots like special angles to make them look bigger than life when they're really these tiny little men Yeah, Tom cruise always on this was yeah, right? This is like God's way of balancing things out like well You got the short of the stick with the height and the stuff You're not very manly, but we're gonna make you super fucking famous But then like Thor that guy plays Thor I think he's like six two or six. Well, he's a stud So he's you know, then there's those guys is he more of a stud than the guy that plays Superman Henry Cavill Yeah, yeah, really Henry what else does Henry Cavill done? What do you mean like what's his body of work? What else is Thor done? Oh, he's a body of work? I don't know.

What else is Thor Donne? A bot? He's been in quite a few minutes. Yeah. Star Trek. Oh, yeah. But yeah, but I'm saying, if you put him next, you know what? So there's that scene in Superman where Henry Cavill has a beard.

Totally different guys though, too. You're talking about like, they're both blonde hair, blue eyed, versus tall dark handsome, right? Yeah. I lean towards the opposite of what I, we're talking about this. We talked about this a little bit. Yeah, that's how I look at the beard. So I like the, we're talking about this before. Yeah, I thought about it. So I like the blonde hair blue eye guys. That's more of my thing.

Yes. Yeah. I got the taste for it. Yeah. But I feel like Doug would like the tall, dark, and handsome guy. Oh, you think? Just because he's just because of how you respond.

Just because that was a strainer. Yeah. I see. He'd train with me. What did you guys do? Didn't you go to a concert or something like that? I did I want to go on I went and saw Sam hunt So first time that fast it might be interesting. No, it's his brother Mike. No, yeah, that's right. Thank you

Sam hunt is part of this R&B meets country music Phenomenon that's been going on for the last probably five to eight years if I I'm guessing that's just I Actually like it and a lot and so if you're if you're a country purist You don't like it like so you hate on it, which it reminds me of like remember when libiscate came on scene in the whole rap Vert and rock and rock right kid rock A lot of people don't like that. I am drawn to talent, period.

Like I just, I don't, I listen to all types of music. There's, I don't think there is a kind of music that I don't listen to. I like, yeah, I like to actually be challenged musically. Right, and I, get outside my comfort with it. It was actually fucking really good, man. And I'm not like a die-hard country. Is it like upbeat or is it slow?

Very upbeat. It's like hip hop meets a country. It's very, he looks like if Will Smith had a baby with George straight. So that's what his music is. And he's got swag. He runs the stage pretty well. I think it's a country crowd or is it hip hop? You remember Aaron Lewis from

stained. Yes. So he's like full country now and I love it. Right. So he you know that he originally was a country guy. Then they went rock. They pushed him towards rock because some they they felt that they he would be able to make a name for himself easier going that direction. But country is his, and I love his country actually. So he is somebody who I do like. I can't get into country. I just can't.

Why? I don't know why. My girlfriend listens to what she loves it. And I listen to it and it's, you like Johnny Cash? Johnny Cash I do. Johnny Cash I can do. That's always the first go to if I ever somebody always gives me that like I hate country Like oh, yeah, you like Johnny Cash and you can kind of progress in that direct most I as a kid right as a really young kid

Did you you guys exposed to it? Yeah, I was later on but as a young like a young kid I hate it when I was younger so did I as a as a really young kid I hate it but like most things that I hated as a young kid it was because I had a really truly experienced it right I had maybe one or two experiences with it and turned it, you know, oh, I don't like it. But it's like, when I got into high school towards the end of high school, like junior senior year and I worked on the ranch, it was playing all the time.

So there was, you know, everybody I worked with listened to country, I'm driving a tractor, I've hay in my mouth, it just seemed appropriate to be listening to country and not fucking Nelly, right? So a nice dip in your mouth. Yeah, yeah, all that good stuff. So it's a small phase. Like you puke every time I'm on it.

I'm on it. I was during that time also. You tried to do for like short minute, very short. What did you choose? Who was it? I opened Hagen, I tried all of it and I tried the little bags to like I did, you know, I was just strong. Yeah, every time I tried.

I tried, I tried a handful of times and then when I realized that I was trying really hard that I was like What's my life? So hold on mouth cancer. This is a great. This is a great topic because I feel like everybody that gets into those habits tried to get that habit first. I don't think everybody anybody ever smokes their first. It's a crazy Yeah, I don't think anybody smokes their first cigarette or does their first tune is like this is fucking great Yeah, no, I bet everybody's like I'm like one another Keep doing it for about a week and then you'll like it. I can't speak on anybody else's experience

But my experience with you know tobacco and in that sense like as far as cigarettes chew all that every one of those things that I Attempted and tried none of them were love at first side. It was like a you know Keep trying it because I want to be cool, you know. So at that age, it's like I'm doing it because I want to be cool and feel cool because back then it kind of was. Now it's totally different, right? Like now the generation coming up, you're like,

oh my God, why would you do that? It's disgusting. But our generation, it was still, we still were a part of the- Where it was cool. Marble man was still the man. But that's what I mean. I feel like I don't think anybody ever does it and then loves it right away.

It just means. What if we just meet that was related to the Marble man? Marble man? was still the man. But that's what I mean. I feel like I don't think anybody ever does it and then loves it right away. Just meat. Who did we just meet that was related to the Marbo, man? Marbo, man? Yeah, I just met somebody. Who did we just, I just met somebody? Yeah, I just met somebody. So they came in here, I think I know you're talking about.

I don't remember who you were. You want to talk about an advertising faux pas with that guy, huh? When you got lung cancer? Well, I think that was horrible for that. Supposedly, you think of the cartoon. Supposedly, he was a fucking stud. And I don't remember who was connected anyways, whatever.

But yeah, no, I went to Sam Hunt. Sam Hunt was, I also had Kendrick Lamar tickets, which I gave them away to. Now what kind of music's that? That's hip hop. Okay. Yeah. And Kendrick Lamar, I've seen already.

I'm officially an old fucker. He puts on a badass show, and I know the audience is listening to probably like giving me shit would give me shit If they found out that I passed on a Kendrick Lamar and I went to Sam Hunt because it was I'm too old to do back-to-back concerts I didn't get that in me So well one night one night of staying out till fucking 11 the night and and yeah party and like that's just like So Sam Hunt was a was a was a country crowd. Yeah, yeah, I heard that I heard is this is the this is the not the rumor, but a stereotype of country crowds that it's the hottest girl. Oh, not even close brother the way be like the the best

concert you've ever been to on like any no any other genre like countries mash on it. Everybody said beautiful women everybody says, everybody says that. Everybody says that. Everybody's everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah. I think that's a prerequisite for hot chicks. Like you have to listen to country music. I think that's just part of it. They like grow them there. They do.

Yeah, so Shoreline was covered in beautiful women. Great music. It was a great crowd. Yeah. All over the place. Everywhere. Blanketed. A sea of vagina.

Beautiful glory. But I didn't go to Kendrick Lamar We gave the tickets to give the tickets to the boys here like sent Taylor Yeah, T. Dole did he take draw with him? He didn't actually we need to get them like necklaces You know, so you can go to these concerts true was really up So he got it because he wanted to go but I he didn't stay past four o'clock on Friday for work, dude That was the deal was this the tickets were for the guy who puts in work The law haven't you know we haven't done yet. We haven't like like haze them well Well, that was kind of a little haze right there

Yeah, but you don't think I'm real one like let's take it back 40 years if you are a Muppersup if you're a kid right now he's 20 years old if you're a 20 year old kid or 19 robe and you're a kid right now, he's 20 years old. If you're a 20 year old kid or a 19, and you're a die hard Kendrick Lamar fan and you missed out on tickets to the suite to watch Kendrick Lamar because you don't work very well. That's fucking digging on him a little bit. It's digging on him a little bit. I think he was a little upset about that.

I teach him to work longer though. Hey Justin, how's your chickens? You know what? Is it all good now? Super, super productive. Really? Very, very, the very next day, they every single one of them laid eggs inside the coop.

Oh my God. Very next morning. And it's been that way consistently. You know what, this is such a, it's such an example. Dude, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This was like a, it's such an example. Dude, let me tell you something. Of life. Let me tell you something. This was like a profound display of psychology.

You know, like it was like this, just watching that, it was like, wow, it's so primitive, but like you could, you could make so many metaphors and parallels from that. This is how human is crazy. It's crazy. You know how many times I would get a team, I'd manage a team and and I'd do my best,

but there was that one person. Bad ass. And you just know, like, I gotta get rid of him, he'll pull you in the next team. Yeah, you can't rehab him. You just have to cut the guy. You can't snap his neck. I guess, you can't snap his neck in front of everybody else

and then everybody straightens right outside. I had one situation with, it was nice and loving, none of them squawking. So I had one situation where that actually happened and I can't obviously name names but I told you the story when we were in LA when I got when I got Hillsdale when they re-granned open they put me in there. I had this one sales guy in there who had been with the company forever and he was one of those old dinosaurs that was just he was an old himself but he was a dinosaur in the

sense that he had that old mentality didn't want to change was kind of those old dinosaurs that was just, he was an old himself, but he was a dinosaur in the sense that he had that old mentality, didn't want to change, was kind of abrasive. You know, he did what I told him, but kind of didn't at the same time. Like he was above the law type of thing. Well, man, that fucker, he used to party in the gym, and one day, I don't know what drug he took, and he took a shirt off and was running through the gym.

And I was like, you're fired. I thank you for this opportunity. Get you the fuck out of my gym. Yeah. It was so much better after that. So much better after that. I don't know, man. I feel like that, I don't know.

It had a lot of impact on me mainly because like I, you know, it's something that like it's uncomfortable, right? It's like I talked about this, about my process kind of leading up to that fact, but like. Chicken murder? Yeah, but it's like, you know, like, I look at that on a deeper level and like just as like a visual example for me that I needed.

Mm-hmm, yeah. Oh, it was powerful. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's saying, didn't even smoke, you know? You know, I went out, I went, I hiked on Sunday. We went up to Castle Rock. You've been up there.

I told you about Castle Rock. Oh, so you've been up there. I think it was either one that recommended you guys. We've been there now like three times. Oh, really? Okay, so I love Castle Rock. What a great place. Yeah, you would do anything.

It sucked for me as my allergies when as you're going through like the kind of, it was beautiful though. It was great hike. Did you go, did you boulder? Did you do the bouldering? No, I didn't do any that We just went to the we just went and we did the one two three like the third or fourth Challenging trail down like I think it was yeah, no, I know you're talking about yeah What we did you felt like it's I think it said 1.3 to 2.5 hours. I'm gonna get cool

Yeah, how about the views? Yeah, no, beautiful. I took some shots while I was up there. It's just gorgeous up there. What a great hike. You know, I had some thought. I always get in that. What I like about the hikes too is it really gives me these random thoughts. And I had this thought that I wanted to ask you guys when I had you guys together because

I'm not a father. And you know, we've been talking a lot lately and we have today, we have Tom Billio coming in with the neuroscientists for MoDS, company MoDS, and we're going to talk to them about this great tech tool and everything. And I've been thinking a lot about that since I've been reading this book here, Resistable, and I was talking to Andy about his book Unplugged and having him over here. And so this has been on my mind a lot, and I was thinking, you know, and I have some friends that are,

you have kids that they actually started their Instagram, really, really young, and they already have, they're like, you know, young, and they already have like three, four thousand followers. And, you know, so I was thinking about this, like, and I know what's happening right now with building their currencies. Well, exactly. So this is and I know and I know what's happening right now with building their currency Well exactly

So this is where I wanted to I wanted to say something to you guys and hear your thoughts on this and before you need your can and just react I want you to like really think about this that okay Do we believe and I do that the future of you know hiring somebody that of hiring somebody that their social presence is going to be a major factor on whether they get a job or not because of how much. Because if somebody has got 5,000 or 10,000 people following them, obviously they have the ability to influence. There's somewhat of a leader whether it be good or bad, it doesn't matter. They've got people that are following them, right? Would make them a leader in some respects.

And then you have these companies that are looking for these type of people. And I think we're gonna see more and more of that in the future as a prerec to get a job at some places. And I wonder if, as a parent, you think, oh my God, I don't wanna do that right now, but are we helping them more? Are we hindering them more?

I look at it, okay, I'll answer it this way, I guess. I look at it like Warren Buffett kind of treats his kids. Like, he's got like an endless supply of capital for them. In any pursuit, they ever wanted to go into. But he's very restrictive and for a reason. He wants them to have their own experience. He wants them to build their own disciplines, build their own character, go through the same trials and tribulations that he got to where he got. And I think that I think that there's, you can make an argument that like it'll make their life easier by, you know,

aggregating all these like Instagram followers or whatever the social platform is at the time. And, you know, like, you could look at it like currency. Like I'm building up like a savings plan or like this is like a 401k or something at that point. Right. Right. And I don't know, I guess I come from a different place with that in that I less for me,

I know it's gonna be an inevitability because that's how people are gonna interact. They're already doing that face to face. They're interacting through their phones, which is crazy. But it's just something that it's new and we're all gonna have to kind of grow with it and see where it all goes. But I want to pull the reins a bit with that until they can make their own, like, later on, when youem like, it's appropriate. Right. Now, when you say that, is there, do you struggle with that process?

Like, is there, do you feel like you kind of go back and forth like fuck? Mm-hmm. You know, like you're saying it right now, but then I feel like, did you ever do, is that just a decision and you made that? Or is it like fuck? No, I thought long. Yeah, no, I thought long, you know, along those lines, because, you know, like me and Sal talked about this too about exposure,

even for kids and all the predators because, you know, like me and Sal talked about this too about exposure even for kids and all the predators that, you know, this endless sea of like predators that are just there, you know, to win and like how much information are we really wanting to put out there of our private lives. It's a lot of so many different questions pop up for me with that and so many different feelings. And I try to be as objective as possible and the things that would just hard when you're the parent by the way. That's right. That's why I wanted to challenge. But not only that, but not only we parents, but we're also

social media, we have a large social media presence and we have a large podcast presence. So it's more, it's different for my kid than it would be for someone else. Like, you know, if you're, if you're, you know, a celebrity, I'm not one of these big celebrities. Let's say you're Tom Cruise, like, have, putting your kid out there is very different. Well, so I don't want to read what would spark this. So I have friends that would be considered that, you know,

like NFL stars or, you know, celebrity type people where they have huge followings. They've started their kids and their kids now have thousands of followers and so that's what that's. So I wonder first number one, who the fuck is following these little kids How old are the kids, you know, yeah, they're like they look to me like they're somewhere around nine to 11 years old So who's following a nine-year-olds? Social media page. It's not a bunch of nine-year-olds

or maybe it is maybe not One thing that we're starting to realize now with the internet is that the dark, the dark side of the internet is massive. It's huge. There are countless pages that are created where there are like hubs for pedophiles and they'll do stuff like. Now, you're going to say that and I just, and this is me just totally playing Devils advocate and challenging your thought process to help you be more objective because on this show you've multiple times You've said that we live in the safest time we've ever lived in and you know that to me when you say some of that It sounds almost like a parent who's like there's no way I would let my kids stay outside to play past dark because it's so dangerous

Outside, but is it really so so if you're first off I don't I just like the thought of feeding that with my kid. So whether nothing happens or not, I don't like the thought of it. So it just bothers me. But the second thing is, if you have some type of celebrity and your kid is out there, that is a place

that's where someone can target you. And we've seen that happen. And the past and the odds are still small, but even besides all that, forget all that. I don't know, man. What kind of currency are they building with the following from being a nine role? Like what are they doing?

Well, I feel like a lot of people are following because they're fans of their parents. And it's just more of this, like I'm doing everything for my kid, type of attitude and mentality. Kids need to kind of be kids a little bit sometimes and posting their picture out on social media. That's just my, that's some of my feelings behind it.

Like, where do you, what is that going to really build for them? And like, just, let's talk about that. And I've thought about this. This is why I wanted to bring it up is, you know, I imagine the roles reversed and I have a dad or a mom who's somewhat of a celebrity or they have a large following and they start me, they start my Instagram page when I'm seven years old or whatever. And now I'm in, you know, fourth and fifth grade and interacting with other kids and I

have a 3000 or a 5000 following. I would think that kid probably has a much easier time making friends and is probably going to start off pretty damn popular right away because and so you could argue a creepier to think about I just see that as like no I like I see like popularity by following right so that's like a new metric that kids are going to like totally absolutely so if you're going to let me finish here because you're already trying to challenge it I'm trying to tell you right now that this is this part that maybe you haven't thought all the way through is and you holding them from it. Let's say you're a parent who's like absolutely not to my kid is a certain age. They're not going to be able to do these type of things. And because of that, you've now pigeonholed your kid as the less he's not going to be cool and he's not going to have any friends because he doesn't even have a social presence at all and popularity will be

will be considered that will be a What's the word I'm looking for like this will be another standard? Yeah, exactly another standard that people will use as if you're cool Or not cool as a young kid growing up and as a father am I? You know by telling them no they can't because of my own fears of, you know, the predators looking at them or doing these things that I'm not allowing him to build a social following that could potentially make his school life a little bit easier in popularity.

Okay, so we're talking about a nine year old. Because that's the age that you gave. Well, no one, I mean, it could be any age. It doesn't need to be, whatever. Those are semantics, you know, whatever to kid. It's a kid. Yeah,'t need to be whatever. Those are semantics. You don't need to get into that. Okay, whatever it's a kid, it's a kid. Yeah, exactly. So let me ask you guys this, let me ask you this, Adam.

How well do celebrities that are kids, celebrity kids, not kids of celebrities, but celebrity kids? How well do they do in life, typically later on? Well, in the past, we have definitely had a lot of those types of kids that end up getting hooked on drugs and have all kinds of issues. That's right. So having, putting your kid out there,

let's say you do a great fucking job, now your kid gets a million followers on Instagram. Or did you do them a favor? I think there's two sides of this that we need to look at and we need to be very careful with it. And I think, if you're a parent and you do it with your kids, you're not hurting them, that's fine, that's totally up to you.

I just think, I'm not just gonna look at the pause, I'm gonna look at the potential negatives. And if I'm a 10 year old, look, I remember when I was 10, 11, 12, 13 with my insecurities. If I was out in social media with all these people watching me, I don't have the maturity, like it's a struggle now. I'm a 38 year old man putting my shit out on social media, having people watch me and comment on my stuff.

I couldn't imagine being a 13 year old with a troll being like your legs are small or your ugly or your stupid or unlike what you're saying or your page is dumb or whatever. Like you're putting your kid in a position where we've never been in this situation before. And so that's why it's fun to me. That's why it's fun to speculate about

because I don't think any of us in this room could be right or wrong. I think that you bring up incredibly valid points about this that are definitely concerns. But I was, again, I'm always trying to challenge the way I think about things and I would 100% agree with you guys on the way you feel. But then I've also think like I never thought of it from the other side like being a kid growing up and my maybe my dad doesn't let me have have those things and now I'm at a school where I'm trying to make friends and be cool and nobody thinks I'm cool because I can't my dad doesn't let me have an Instagram and everybody else does and this kids hasn't happened yet but look I tell you what there's a lot of things that make you cool in school, that good parents will tell you, no. Okay, there's just a lot of things. Even when we were kids, there were things that, if you didn't do it, you weren't cool like everybody,

but your parents made a smart decision by not letting you do those types of things. But the thing, what are you thinking of, or anything, drugs, buying you a shit ton of clothes. I think that's a bad thing. Hey, you know, like, not having all the best clothes all the time or having an awesome car,

like you know, buy your kid a BMW right away just cause it makes it a little bit more. So, okay, so yeah, the clothes would probably be a better parallel, I think. That's fair, like stylish clothes. And the other thing you have to be, to me it'd be like you, you know, being a parent who doesn't allow your kid to buy.

That's right. And there's a big difference too. We need to look at why are these people following your kid? Is it because they're cute? Because that I think is stupid. I think that's horrible. I think that's a horrible way to have a child identify what their value is your nine-year-old

a musician. Are they creating something? Yeah, but is he? Are they creating a business? That's fine. I think that's awesome. Is the answer though to not allow them to do it or is it kind of teach them and educate them

because eventually they're gonna be a part of it no matter what? Shit, if my nine year old, if my kid is nine and my kid's like, dad, I got this idea for a business or I wanna play the guitar and I wanna put it on social media or whatever, like that's different. If it's like, I'm cute, I'm just gonna post pictures of myself and whatever and get all these followers. Like, there's no doubt in my mind.

And I don't know, I don't know the situation, but if you're a child of a celebrity and you have 10,000 followers, I'm sure a lot of the people following you is because they're fans of your parents. And then they're following you for what? Like just to look at you, to see, you know, like, do you do anything of value?

You know, when you look at celebrities, you can see, you can see the celebrities that did a good job with their kids and the ones that didn't. And a lot of times, the ones that did a bad job or the ones that put their kids out all the fucking time. Look at the, look at some of these dysfunction amongst some of these children. And then look at some of these kids like,

whether you like or hate Donald Trump, his kids, you did a fucking great job. Like they're very smart business people. They did a good job raising them in that particular sense. Arnold Schwarzenegger's got children that you don't hear a whole lot about as well. They're more, they tend to be more balanced, the more functional.

Then you've got other parents where kids are, they blast them all over the place. And that's tough for a kid to grow up. And I think most child psychologists will tell you, like putting your kid in modeling, putting your kid in commercials, TV, movies, I can't tell. That's a very stupid thing. I also think you're overgeneralizing

a lot of things right now, and I think comparing modeling and those type of stuff to social media, which has become a much different norm, and you have to understand that we were part of a generation that didn't have that, and then now has it. So we have a different kind of perspective than somebody who is born into that like at your kids age,

where you could potentially be denying something that's just so normal to them. It's not like, you know, these examples that you're giving right now. Those are more extreme examples when this is just simply that I just want to be on Instagram and be able to. Yeah, it's a tough one, man, because nobody's going to have their own approach. That's it. At the end of the day, I think what makes us, you know, more comfortable is, you know, being able to restrict that as much as possible until they

have more of an adult type of a brain to deal with that kind of attention. And normal is a shitty metric, just a shitty fucking metric. Yeah, I agree with that. It's normal, everybody's doing it. We need to, you know, shut up with that bullshit. I hate that shit when people say it because, yeah, but you know, what's normal is eating garbage food is fucking sitting down

on your ass all day long. It's being a, you know, these are things that were normal when we were kids. But as a child's mind, that I'm speaking from a child's perspective when I say something like that I agree with you that they have to deal with it like you have to deal with your dad that tells you I'm sorry that everybody's doing that shit But I'm gonna place certain parameters and if I have to be careful obviously with those types of parameters

But there's a lot of things that are normal that are just terrible that kids do. And, you know, sure, I'm gonna be in the minority, and it sucks because it's unfortunate that the minority of parents are parenting a certain way, and that a majority are parenting another way. It's just, I'll tell you what, man, go look at the average kids school lunch, and look what they pull out of their backpack.

It's all, it's like, it's a bag of gummy bears and a bag of little bit of money. It's crackers and buy. And it's shit. It's like, that's normal. No, no doubt. I mean, now you're taking it in a different direction and comparative things.

I think it's, I think just simply asking yourself, like could I actually, as much as I think I am protecting or helping them, could I, and ask yourself this, could I potentially be hurting him or her more by not allowing them to start something that could like Justin said earlier, it's like this investment that they could be, you're making it in there.

Now, I'm with you on that. And I think the smart thing to do would be to sit down. Honestly, I've already thought about this, is to sit down with my kid, my son just turned 12, and to say, hey, let's sit down and come up with some ideas. I've already been about this. It's to sit down with my kid, my son just turned 12, and to say, hey, let's sit down and come up with some ideas. I've already been talking to him. So this is a conversation I've already been having with my son. Not because he's begged me to go on these platforms,

but I've actually explained to him what a sales funnel is on the internet. I've explained to him how people do business on the internet. I've explained to him how these pages on Instagram, pages on Facebook, and on YouTube make money. In fact, we had a conversation in the car yesterday on the drive to the aquarium where he was saying, he came up with an idea and he's like,

oh, you know how much you can make money on YouTube and he came up with this idea. And he says, you'll get millions of views and that's how you make money. And so we sat down and I said, okay, I said, and he understands advertising. That's how he thinks people make money on YouTube. He's advertising.

I said, yeah, that's one way. But you need a ton of views, you know, huge audience to make a lot of money with advertising. I said, the way you make money on YouTube is if you sell your own product, you don't need nearly as many. So then we had a great conversation about that. Now that, I would support 100%.

You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, if we could sit down and do that together, that'd be a nice thing bonding, you know, thing. That makes me think too, because I actually had a conversation with my oldest and he's only seven, but, you know, he loves just building Lego. Like, he just creates now.

He's in a place where he just like can create something new every day. And he actually asked me about like, videoing that and like having, right, so if I just had him showing that, you know, and like that's totally something valid, people could watch this timeline for crashing. And it's feeding into his passion, right?

Like I could totally see, I could totally get behind, you know, if I had a kid who had a passion for something that they really like, like to me, and that's what it's really, like I think that's part of our jobs as parents, right? I'm not one, but if I was a parent, I think is to find the things that your kids are passionate about and they love and then helping support that. Maybe that's a way of doing that. You're bringing up right now, I think that would be, I bet it would draw lots of attention

to it. I think lots of people would follow because we've already seen some of these kids that get huge followings from unwrapping presents or building certain Lego things and you know, maybe it's a timeline video or you know, check out this cool thing that I made at a Lego's or whatever, you know, but it's something he loves to do. He's passionate about a way that he can build a whether it be a reputation or a reputation or a following, whatever you wanna fucking call it, it allows him to have access to something that maybe we would consider denying him or her

because they're too young or we don't think that's right, when in reality, we are in the middle of watching this huge shift of that being very much so the norm to the point where a job like ours here we are we just hired two employees on and I tell you what if we had somebody equally talented as the two young men that we brought on staff but one of the other two applicants had 50,000 Instagram followers I think each of us would agree that we probably would hire

the one with if they had, if all things were equal, right? Their talents were equal, but they could bring the table, but because they had this large social presence and our job, our business, definitely that would help it. I think it's, and I think a lot of businesses would benefit from large networks and followings of employees. Imagine if you're a, like a bar owner, and you had, and this is the thought that came to me,

is like, man, I'm hiring a total of 10 bar tenders are gonna work at my bar. Of course, they have to serve drinks, they need to have that skill set. Hopefully they're attractive people, chrysmatic, all those things matter. But, man, if all eight bartenders that I hired all had 10,000 followers or above,

like what would that potentially do for my business? I actually already, I was watching something, I don't know if it was a documentary, but they're talking about like old bands and how they used to travel, you know, and like book all these gigs. And like I think it was somewhere in Australia, but like they're talking about like all this,

this guy does now for promotions. Like he doesn't work with like Aerosmith and you know, all these like big name bands anymore. He completely just focuses on these people that bring a million, I have a million following or you know, a couple hundred thousand following because then it's like insanely predictable. a million following or a couple hundred thousand following because then it's insanely predictable.

People show up every single time when these internet celebrities come to town and it's like made him 10x to his business. Oh wow. Yeah, fascinating. Which is crazy, but it makes perfect sense. Also, I wonder how much is going to change. I mean, as that becomes the way celebrities are created, because it's starting to become like that, right?

It's starting to become pretty soon, a Hollywood and music and all that stuff is gonna be, celebrities aren't gonna come from there. It's gonna be all through these type of mediums. I wonder if that's gonna make it more difficult to kind of build a brand like that. Oh yeah, to shine. That a brand like that. Oh yeah. To shine.

That's when everybody's putting on a new. Okay, again, this is what brings me to this. Like, you know, and I think the longer that we hold our kids back from them being able to do that, the further behind they're going to be, because I think it's gonna be very competitive. I think that, and thinking of that from a job perspective, I think that literally you're gonna look at eight bartenders, but I'm looking at 20 bartenders.

I only need eight. All of them are good, but these ones have this big of a presence like they're getting hired. It's a no-brainer. It's a no-brainer that I'm going to hire them because of that. And that obviously that's just one example I'm using. And I think that it applies to many jobs. I guess a lot of it just depends on what you're doing

with that. I mean, how you built your page. If there's something behind it besides just the way you look, unless you get into a field related to that. But I could imagine a girl who's got an Instagram page with 100,000 followers and it's all because she's showing off her body. And then she's like, I wanna become a lawyer or I wanna become a doctor.

Like that might be the opposite. I don't know. It might do the exact opposite. And this is part of the tie, I think, as a parent, I think these are type of conversations that you're helping your young kid, you know, and trying to steer him to the other. Right, exactly.

Instead of like holding it away from him, not letting him make it supposed to, exposing him early, but then teaching him early on that, you know, so. Well, you'd be surprised. You hold them back as much as you want. My kids teach me shit about, I know.

They know more than I do about uploading videos and you already, and I don't even have their own channels. Yeah. But I think it would be a good thing. I'm like I said, I've already thought about doing this. I just, I'm not pushing it, but I'd like to work with my kid and have them create something.

Even if it doesn't work, which the odds of course are probably wrong, but the amount of learning you get from that process. Imagine starting your own business at that age through these, you know, these chairs. We were really cool. Well, I mean, it's got my wheels spinning already just from what Justin said.

Imagine if your boy is really good at this and like a lot of people start following. Like that little yeah, I was thinking about that. I was like, hmm, that's not a bad idea. Right. And opens the door for him to potentially, I mean, you could teach him how to make money before the kids even like 16 years old. He could with Legos. Right.

Right. And as a dad who has a lot of pull in this arena, I mean you may be able to provide an opportunity for him and teach him at the same time right you could give him a lesson in business. Yeah he wants it. Right right. Right right. So anyways that was just what I was one of my hiking high thoughts that I had that I thought I would share with you guys and see what you thought. I sparked an interesting conversation. Not that at all that I disagree with you guys and see what you thought. I sparked an interest in conversation. And not that at all that I disagree with you. I just thought that it would be,

it was challenging for me to think about it. I couldn't imagine how challenging it has to be for fathers. Like you guys to have to. Yeah, I don't think a lot of people have even thought about this kind of stuff yet. Right, and that's why I wanted to bring it up because there's a ton of parents that are just like no or yes about it and they don't really think

all the way through like all the, I think a lot majority of parents, you get a lot of the nose and then a lot of parents are just that don't really think all the way through. I think a lot majority of parents, you get a lot of the nose, and then a lot of parents are just that don't care. I don't even think it's a guess. They just don't care. They just remove it. They just let their cues do it as well.

Right, and I think, which is bad no matter what. I mean, you leave your kids and just be like, you don't give a shit. It doesn't matter what they do. It's probably not a good thing. You know what we forgot to mention was, don't we have like an email coming out

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That's a big, good way. Why don't we do like, we're gonna do a post or something and they do some kind of ahead of time? Yeah, I think we should discuss exactly like how we lay it out, but Doug brought that up this weekend and I thought that's, that would be fucking really cool. We've already done something for the reviews on iTunes. I think doing some sort of a giveaway with like you're saying Instagram or something like that, but we'll figure that all out.

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Just be careful not to... Yeah, we'll get into that. So... Yeah, especially with pliers so what a lot so trigger sessions for people that don't know a trigger session are these kind of mini I hate to call them workouts because I'm not meant to be workouts but many sessions that you do on your off days and the goal of the trigger session is to maintain the muscle building signal from the previous day,

which was set with the heavy workout. Typically, they're about eight minutes long. The goal is to get a little bit of a pump and the muscle, a little bit of a burn. And you do them frequently throughout the day. So you're supposed to do about three of them throughout the day. And they're extremely, extremely effective.

In fact, I had not done trigger sessions consistently for a long time. I was doing other types of frequency builders. When back to trigger sessions recently, I always blows me away. It always blows me away by how much, how well my body responds, just more muscle, more body fat loss, all that stuff. Now, trigger sessions are part of a category that goes into all of our program that we call frequency builders. Okay, so trigger sessions are part of a category that goes into all of our program that we call frequency builders. So trigger sessions are found in Maps and Obolic, but like in Maps aesthetic, we have focus sessions, which are similar but different.

In Maps performance, we have mobility sessions. And in Maps anywhere, we have what are called AMP sessions. And what they are is they are designed to give you more frequency to your workouts. But the goal with that, with the frequencies also to minimize damage to muscle. Because you're adding these to your already kind of almost complete intense routine.

So if you're doing like three days a week of full body, well now you have another three or four days a week that you can add frequency, but because you've already had three hard full body workouts, you don't want to necessarily tear muscle down. You just want to throw in some frequency. So that's how I would treat them if you did isometric some plios. On those days in between, don't do them super intense, but just train the sequence, train the recruitment pattern. I was definitely gonna reiterate that because you definitely want it for that fact. You want it for the frequency of stimulating your body

to produce those types of movements or that type of response from your central nervous system. But you should be, like, let's for instance, with plyometrics, if you're goals to get really powerful and explosive in those jumping type movements, that should make its way in high intensity within your workout.

The ones in between, we wanna keep that reasonably light. So that's more if you're using it for the frequency of it because you're going from heavy max lifting days, not max middle lifting, but you know what I mean? Like foundational days, like three times a week and then in between, if you're doing super explosive, high intensity, plyometrics, we're gonna get some diminishing return.

How do you feel about Justin since this is kind of your area, what about instead of doing plios like you normally would where you're just trying to explode? What if on the trigger session days you're just trying to perfect your, I guess your tech geek and your mountain raps. Exactly, so I mean, you obviously want to get. Just like practice. Yeah, obviously want to get practice.

Yeah, it's to get fast with it because really what you're trying to do is get more acceleration. So your ground forces playing to effect, right? You have to be able to get that coiled response and then get as much acceleration as possible. But like you're, you're doing it in such a way where I mean, there's not a whole lot of reps you're doing in a row. You're really perfecting the signal of that and honing in on it. So that's like your focus. I some metrics will be perfect. That's what you think.

Yeah, for sure. I feel like the answer is obviously yes, but I think that how I would decide this would be based off my goal, right? So, you know, I think using triggers with isometric, okay, I'll show you how I would use like isometric plio and then our traditional way that we use it. If I am more aesthetic based and I am areas that I'm trying to develop on my bodies, like I want better biceps or better shoulders. I'm sticking more towards the traditional way that we have incorporated trigger sessions

where I'm just standard bicep shoulder type movements to get that added frequency and added pump and more recovery, all the benefits we talk about. If I am trying to correct something like a bad recruitment pattern that I have or say, for example, for me, the retraction depression of my shoulders, I think I would incorporate, I would, you know, I'm really trying to work on an imbalance maybe that I have and address some issues. I would probably use the trigger sessions for isometrics. I would do a lot of isometric stuff and be treating

it kind of like our fortification sessions that we have inside of prime. So, and then lastly, if I was like an athlete who is, or even if I wasn't like a professional athlete, but I play basketball on the weekends, or I'm playing sports still, and I want to improve upon my explosiveness and some of the stuff Justin was just talking about, I think I'm using my triggers, plyos in my triggers.

So, to me, my goal that I'm trying to achieve is what would dictate how I'm using these triggers, plios, and my triggers. So to me, my goal that I'm trying to achieve is what would dictate how I'm using these triggers. And I think absolutely the answer is yes, you can use all those things, but I also think that I would prioritize them around whatever my priority is. Like out of those. For sure, you want to be like, you want it to benefit whatever goal you have going into it. And I think from you know, I just thinking of it to like explaining like isometrics how I'd use that in more of a performance related goal. Like I want to I want to make sure that I'm going to use this more to teach my body to get super, super comfortable in depth or ranges of motion that I know I'm going to express on the field or so. I don't want to solidify my force stabilization.

If I get lateral forces, I really want to solidify the fact that I'm stable. That's one way I'll use it too from a sports perspective and then the other like, so like I mentioned depth or like in my squat, you know, I really want to hone in on the weakest part of my lifts and then, you know, get that signal super strong going in.

I wonder if this person is an athlete, did you have any look at their answer? Okay. I saw metrics by the way. One of the most overlooked underrated types of training. Period, like I love that we talk about, especially Justin and of course with the Axon stick because it's so underrated.

Yeah, that in frequency I think are two big things that I incorporate now in my 30s that I never really did in my early 20s just because lack of information and knowledge in the area and I didn't realize what a difference. You know who benefits? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot?

You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? You know who benefits a lot? in either direction. So huge. Besides performance, because you're seeing, what did you get that right there?

Where did that come from? Some studies that. So much of study. So basically 10 of it, you can increase the joint mobility by 10 to 15 degrees. So you say 10 to 15 percent strength. Yeah, yeah, carries over 10 to 15 degrees. Wow, that's a big difference.

Yeah, so whatever isometric position, your strengthening, you actually gain strength in a big difference. Yeah, so whatever isometric position, you're strengthening, you actually gain strength in a broader range. So isometrics is today being used more by, I think, athletes you're starting to see, but you know, benefits a lot from isometrics that don't use, and they don't use them at all, bodybuilders.

Bodybuilders could have what they do in their posing. Posing, but not like the way you should use isometric, right? Isometrics are phenomenal for bodybuilders could have what they do when they're posing. They posing, but not like the way you should use as a metric, right? Isometrics are phenomenal for bodybuilders, primarily because bodybuilders almost never in their training, except for maybe the squeeze, do they ever stop a position in or a rep? You don't like, for example,

when you see a bodybuilder do shoulder press, it's always kind of this pumping motion, and I know why, because they want the pump, they want the burn, but you give them some heavy dumbbells, have them lock out and hold with tension for time, and watch what happens to the development of their delts. I mean, it's a training tool

that doesn't cause a lot of muscle damage. So the good thing about that is you can just throw it in, you can throw in some isometrics to your routine, and watch what happens. In the old timers used to do them all the time. The bodybuilders, back in the day, used to talk about holding the squeeze for long periods of time. That was primarily how they used them, but even before that isometrics was, it was a staple. I can't think of, there's very few things I can think of that you could just add to your routine that are going to

give you pretty traumatic results. Isometrics is one of, so's very few things I can think of that you could just add to your routine that are gonna give you pretty traumatic results. I have some metrics as one of us, so I just wanna make sure I say that, cause it's one of those overlooked things. Definitely. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the Mind Pump family?

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Go check it out. Next question is from Joseph X95. Sal talked about how good he was at working the floor. Can you guys share some of your tactics that made you successful? So he's talking about the... That floor. He's talking about as a personal trainer. We're in his high heels.

Exactly. Working the floor is when you are literally on the gym floor and you're trying to build your business through it by getting clients. Okay. So one of the easiest things I can tell you to become successful at working the floor is learn how to use the front desk. The easiest place in the world on the floor and the front desk is part of the floor at getting clients is the front desk because people walk in, you check them in, instant connection, instant ability to be able to talk to them,

ask them questions. The second thing I could say to you is learn how to use your intercom over the loudspeakers. If your gym allows you to, and if you do a good job, they'll want you to use the intercom on a regular basis, because a very, very quick, easy, well done announcement, you know, attention members and guests, we have five free personal retraining sessions available at the front desk going on a first come, first serve basis,

come book them up here with Justin, you know, before they're gone. And within 20 minutes, you'll have five assessments book. Super effective. yeah. Super easy, those two things alone, super easy, they don't require you to be like, you know, crafty with how you approach people, and we'll talk about that too, but that requires more skill. Like, I would just, I'd have trainers to sit at the front desk and scan people, and I'd tell them when you scan people,

ask them what they're working on. That day. You know, like, hey, what are you working on today? Oh, I'm gonna do a little leg. Oh, awesome, what the exercise? Oh, let me show you this new exercise and just walk back with them and take them through a couple exercises

and you've got your intro right there. Very, very easy. I think a lot of people struggle with this because of the pressure of trying to make the sale. You know, is they're like, okay, I gotta go talk to people in the floor. That's a great point. And I've got to make the sale.

So there's this pressure in the back of your mind that like the whole purpose of why you're talking to this person is To eventually sell them on personal training and you know, I actually and it wasn't till I think after Justin So I don't need Justin ever experience with me teaching my trainers is but this was something I started to put together later on as I Realized how many trainers struggle with this Because they put so much pressure on themselves. They're already not very charismatic and outgoing and then on top of that, they're boss is telling them to walk the floor

and go pull people off the floor and sell them training and it was just like, oh, it was so daunting. And because I'm a numbers guy and I would track all the stats on how many people I would need to talk to before I could book X amount of appointments that would turn into X amount of dollars, I would need to talk to before I could book X amount of appointments that would turn into X amount of dollars, I would teach this process to somebody.

So I would give a simple goal like this. I'd have a trainer and it's okay, go get yourself one of those little journals that you get from CVS for $2 or whatever. And you're going to meet five people today. And I don't want you to try and sell them anything. I don't want you, all I want you to do is to meet them. Say hi, introduce yourself,

and find out something about them, anything. Whether it be the surgery they just recently did, how many children they have, their wife, thing their job, whatever it is, your goal is just to talk to them and actually find out one thing about them. No pressure to sail, don't book them an appointment, none of that stuff. That happens, it is, your goal is just to talk to them and actually find out one thing about them. No pressure to sail, don't book them an appointment, none of that stuff.

That happens, it happens. But your goal right now is just to meet people. But then I would tell them as soon as you meet that person and you learn something about them, their name and something about them, I want you to walk back over to where my office was right in the journal, okay, I just met Justin. He has two boys, ages, this and this,

and then we'll go back on the floor. And so you would do that and you would gather that. And so I would make these trainers, and the reason why I'd make them write it down was because I knew that if they didn't, they would probably forget some of this information. Plus, I'm setting them up for later on. So once they would do this,

they would start to build this list. After a couple of weeks of doing this, they'd have a list of, you know, 30, 50, some of them 100 depending on how active you are of people with all these names and something to remind you about them. And then the next time you saw them come in, you'd go over reference your journal, Justin, two boys, and then your goal would be able to go with their walk-ups, say hi, and mention one of those, mention that fact that you learn about that person. What that does for you, that person will be blown away

that you remembered their name, and you actually remembered something about them. Now, some people are gifted and have a natural skill of doing this. Sal will be an example of somebody has this incredible memory and talent and charisma to do this without it. But what I learned as I was managing all these trainers was Sal was one in a hundred people that I get to,

if that actually point one in a million. There's very few people that have his talent. And so I had to learn, I had to learn to teach this skill set to people that did not have this natural charisma and ability and I had a lot of success with what I'm telling you right now so They would go in and they would do that it is much easier to ask for money from somebody who you've built in a relationship with before and when you and I used to love this This quote I used to keep on my desk nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you care. So you may have all this found knowledge and fitness

and nutrition and all this great stuff to give to them to then turn around and get them to buy from you. But if you first show them how much you care, asking for that money or being able to provide that service for them becomes very easy for you to do, but you've got to put the work in. And so making this list and then following up on on them the next time they come in, more often than not, that second time you have that conversation with them, it's very easy to book

them for a free appointment with you. If you still have a challenge, that's okay. Then you work that lead and you talk to them a third time and a fourth time. But if you start, if you're actually strategic about it and you actually take the time to write this stuff down, you'll solidify it in your brain so you remember better, you'll have something to reference because I guarantee you're gonna see faces that fuck I forgot his name, I forgot his kid's name, you'll forget those things because how many people you talk to inside of Jim and if you start to do that, it'll make your job a lot easier. Quick question, because something's dawning on me right now.

When did you leave 24 when you were managing the Bidgims? What year? Yeah. See here, it's back up. 2000 and I want to say 11 or 12, some around there. So you know what's dawning on me? Exactly.

I haven't managed a Jim, a big box gym in a long time, and the people that were working out with headphones on, almost impossible, it was very difficult to approach them. Is that increased? It's got heads to right? I'm sure. I don't think anybody listens to nobody listening to the loudspeaker's head.

Music anymore. Is it like that now? It is, isn't it? I don't know if it's, when you go to goals or a lot of people using their shit, like, I don't know if that's any different than when to Goals, or a lot of people, you're just in their shit. Yeah, but I don't know if that's any different than what it was before.

I feel like they're more obvious because it's very popular. It's popular. It's DJs. Yeah, right? But I mean, fuck. The reason why I'm at it. Walkman and Disman have been around for a long time,

and people have been listening to music while they work out for it. I just know why I'm asking is because now it's on your phone. And Diskman, like trying to work out with that piece of you. Yeah, Skipping. Well, I remember if we change the music in the gym and people don't like it, we'd get people to be pissed. I don't think people riot.

Do people get carried? Yeah, they do. That's still exists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That still exists and there's still people that don't wear head phone. I mean, there's timey people. I don't know.

Is it walk up to them in the head? I'm probably, it's probably increased. It's probably increased and does make that challenging, I think for sure. Which again, I think would make it even more important for you to do something like this because nobody wants to be interrupted when their headphones are in their ear

and then also try to be sold something. I think what you guys both said is on point. And I think, okay, so this reminds me of like when, didn't we have to use like wear like a yellow shirt at one point, and I think, okay, so this reminds me of, like, when, didn't we have to use, like, wear like a yellow shirt at one point, okay. So, uh, yeah, Adam had us wearing, whoa, don't say Adam, those are helping. That was a good one. Yeah, he was brought down from you.

I don't know. So let me tell you what they did, because I remember before and after. So the trainers used to have what were called fit hours that everybody had to work style. You remember this where a trainer was allotted a certain amount of time every week where he would work the floor or do fit appointments,

free appointments where people would come in and they would test drive a trainer. Well, you would have this four hour block. What they wanted was if you didn't have a client, if you didn't go and book somebody in with you and you had a free hour, you would put on this yellow jersey and work the floor, and it said, I'm a trainer, need help.

Which made it easier in a sense for like these people that had a hard time, you know, like yeah, they basically gave me a baby shirt. Yeah, super easy. You only lasted about a year or two. I'll tell you what though, if I was knowing me, if someone came up to me and asked me for help. Oh, I took advantage of it. I know, I was like, super easy. You've only lasted about a year or two. I'll tell you what though, if I was knowing me, if someone came up to me, it asked me for help.

Oh, I took advantage of it. I know, I was like, all day. And that's the thing, like, I, you know, this is coming from me, this has been more of a challenge, you know, than the both of you, but, you know, at a certain point, I am a, I'm very much of an, an observer. And so just being around people that have this sort of rapport with people,

I would constantly watch the way that people would interact with other trainers and management and all of that. And so I would actually naturally just, I just picked up a lot of those things that you guys mentioned. Like I figured out that like, okay, I'm just going gonna talk to them about whatever's on the TV or whatever, and it'll naturally, I'll just remember the conversation I had, and then I would bring up conversation related to that subject, and I would talk to them again about it, but then I evolved and learned to kind of hang out around the front desk, and instead of just sitting there,

I looked and saw whoever's name it was, and I would actually take their card, scan them in, like repeat their name back to them and then before they left them made sure and said their name as they're leaving. So that way we still maintain that connection going forward. But you know, it's a lot of those things. You just have to like literally like, you have to immerse yourself in it and go 100%. Even if it's like uncomfortable for you, you need reps and it starts with the lowest barrier to entry. So however you can figure that out to start,

to break that ice that you have in front of you, that's where you need to focus. I'm telling you, the front desk is as gold. I can't believe it's easy. I can't believe how many people don't realize that. That was like, people used to fight in myms over the front desk and I'd schedule like it's so I lived there man I that's that's where you park you park yourself of the friend desk you check people and you say hi What's up? John? What's up? Hey, what are you working on today? I'm hitting

I didn't make friends with all the sales counselors and everybody dude the way they feed you if you're a trainer that wants to grow your business Like you need to live around the front desk, say hi to everybody that walks in and asks them what they're working on. Don't try and sell them shit. By the way, what Adam says about the pressure about trying to sell something, like, your goal, if you do have a goal,

which sometimes you don't, sometimes your goal is just to say hi to people and talk to people, which is good. If your goal is anything to get anything, it's to schedule an assessment or a free session, not to sell training. The odds of selling training off the floor are very, very, very low. And only the best people tend to do that. What I mean by the best is not that you're the best salesperson, but there needs to, there's a certain type of sensitivity that you have

with communication to know whether or not, because you, nobody wants to be bothered while they're working out to buy something. So you got to kind of know what you're doing there. So don't even worry about that. Just book assessments, talk to people, but yeah, that front desk man, park desk there. I mean, that's money. I know some people are not gonna like this,

but I mean, I also believe in complete transparency in our show. And so one of the things that I used to do, and I was notorious for this, would I would actually hang out at front desk at certain gyms because you could actually see the parking lot and other times I would hang out in the parking lot. And if I saw somebody pull up in a seven series

year whales, yeah, that's right. If I saw someone pulling up in a $100,000 whip, the likelihood of them investing in a few thousand dollars in personal training means probably more likely than they got. Now that's not to say that I haven't sold plenty of training to somebody who drove up some beater, but if you want to increase your odds on money not being a majorer in objection to,

which let's be honest, the number one objection you will hear in sales will always be money. And so you're less likely to hear a, oh, I can't afford three or five hundred dollars worth of personal training when the guy or girl pulls up in a, you know, a hundred thousand dollar whip. So I would actually see that person come in. And then I'd be at the front desk and I'd scan them in. So I'd see their name, say hi to them then. And then I'd make sure to go out to the floor and say hi to them again on the floor. And so I

used to do stuff like that all the time. Nice to see you, Stuart Smith, the third. What are you going to be trained today? How was your pull-out family crest that you have embroidered? That's great. Next question is from Connie Sue. Do you have any experience with clients with eating disorders? This is all trainer day to day dude. Yeah, what kind of advice do you have? I love it. Yeah, I mean most people I think you'll work with as a trainer if you're a really good trainer you understand nutrition really well Most people have some type of eating yeah, some type of eating dysfunction

I want to say disorder because Clinical disorder would be like bulimia and erexia Or some type of OCD, but most people have some type of eating dysfunction that you're gonna have to work around. Now, I have worked with real eating disorders. I've worked with a few of them. Most of them, all of them, but one, actually, were working with a therapist in conjunction with me. This is a hard one, by the way. Very hard.

One of them, I trained, I was very, very, I was on to her. Like I knew she had a needing disorder, but you can't just come out and say, you have any needs. Super delicate. Yeah, and so I would, you know, sprinkle in some conversation, some questions.

I talk a lot about myself. People are much more apt to open up to you when they feel, when you're open with them. So I would talk about my own issues with food. You know, I talk about how I always thought I was skinny and I would force feed myself and I would, you know, set my alarm to wake up in the middle of night and to take a protein shake or whatever.

And how I had, you know, how I told her I said, you know, I had a needy disorder, I just didn't realize it. I said, but I know how difficult it can be for people to even acknowledge that they have that issue. And it was incredible. It took me this long way. So you got to stop right there

because that is something that I used to teach that I think is a lost art and not a lot of people understand the importance of what you just did right there. It's so, and good doctors do this really well, right? You come in, you get this, you find out you've got something or you had something that's sound so bad because you've never heard it. And a really good doctor does a good job of letting you feel like it's very normal and

common and don't worry. This is how we handle it. This is how we take care of it. The same thing goes for as a trainer who is getting this new client in that has a eating disorder or is struggling with obesity or has something that's a challenge The last thing you want them to feel is make them feel like they're all alone in that and that it's very uncommon or oh my god So by you sharing your own, you know eating disorders or a food poor food relationships Makes them at ease and like so I would tell trainers that when clients give you

information like that, or you assume they have something like that, make them feel like lots, almost everybody struggles with this in one way or another. Almost everybody deals with some sort of a food. That way it helps them be at ease a little bit and more likely to share more information with you and more likely to work towards getting better at it.

And I think that's a good point. Well, with this particular client that I suspected had either anorexia or bulimia or one of those two because she was just, you can tell as a trainer, you can start to see in the gym who has these extreme issues because there's obvious physical symptoms. There's other symptoms that you can look out for. And we were training and her strength wasn't very good and we stood up from an exercise and she got really dizzy.

And so we sat down and I said, what have you eaten today? And she told me, oh wait, this, and I said, I said, okay, I said, I want you to know that you could always be totally, totally honest with me with what you're doing. It'll only help me train you better. be totally, totally honest with me with what you're doing. It'll only help me train you better. If you can be honest with me with everything,

with what you're eating or what you're not eating, then I can be a much more effective personal trainer because I know you have particular goals. And then she started kind of opening them up, opening up with her nutrition. And the thing really with her was I had to slowly, slowly get her to Divorge the information. I did not say you have a needing disorder did not say oh, that's called bulimian anorexia

Whatever it was very little and then I would slowly talk to her into okay eat you know buy yourself these small packets of almonds Make sure you eat that before you work out that'll prevent you from getting dizzy and that's a good thing because then we can train a certain Way and you can build more muscle and you could maintain your leanness better. And little by little, I talked her to that point to where I finally was able to have more frank discussions with her and she did go and see a therapist, but it was a long process.

But most of the people you're gonna work with, if you're a really good trainer, you're gonna find that everybody has some kind of eating dysfunction. You'll know right away when you tell your client, you can't eat this anymore. Or you know what, let's stay away from this food, and all of a sudden they freak out. What do you mean I can't have?

Or how long do I have to do that for? Yeah. I mean, it's just very few people are going to just come forward and tell you they have a disorder and issue with food like this. It's real similar to talking to an alcoholic or someone addicted to drugs. Really ever have you ever met somebody who was addicted to something like that? And they go like, yeah, I'm totally addicted to drugs. I have a problem with that. I know that.

Like very few people admit it. And that's the first step of getting through this process is getting is admitting it. So I think your goal as a trainer is to make them feel comfortable enough to share that they have an issue. You know, you're going to probably know before they share it with you, your goal still, even when you know is not to call them out. That's the worst thing you could do, because then they're going to put them in denial and then you're probably going to be fighting enough ill-bound. Yeah, and they're not even going to know most of the time. They're not going to realize that, you know, like these habits are unhealthy for them. It's just eye-opening.

And so there's resistance to that because of the information that they've aligned themselves with since they're a kid, all this nutrition information. If you add something that contrasts that at all, it's like, what? Like, it's really hard, pill to swallow sometimes. So I used to like share stories of other clients as if to that person, but I'm really talking to them. Sure.

So for example, like let's say we're talking to somebody who has anorexia and I know she's battling with this, but she hasn't fully admitted to me. I'm like talking to her like, yeah, I know I get lots of clients that have this. In fact, I had this lady who's struggling with this, but she hasn't fully admitted to me. I'm like talking to her like, yeah, I know I get lots of clients that have this. In fact, I had this lady who's struggling with this. And I'm like sharing the patterns and the things

that I know that she has, that she's dealing with. So I'm really talking, I'm really talking to her about her, but I'm acting as if I'm talking about like lots of these clients that I've trained before or this particular person I've had before. Just examples that they get at least kind of identify with on some level. And that's what I'm just flex off of them.

Right, I'm trying to, you know, that old, you know, hey, I have a question for a friend of mine, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I have a friend of mine that's really interested in this, it's like that type of deal, right? They know what it wants to admit it's them. So it's kind of like you advising them yet and that kind of helps ease them into that,

starting to share with you and ask more questions because they feel that they're issue or what they're struggling with, they're not alone and it lots of people deal with it. Yeah, and I'll say this, I wanna be very clear. If we're talking about a diagnosable clinical eating disorder and you identify it, your goal should be obviously you're open with them, you're talking with them, but see if you can get them to talk to a professional that deals with that because you as a personal trainer are not trained in this area.

And now that I'm thinking about it, many of the personal trainers themselves may have eating, eating just functions and they might not be the best people to talk to or to talk with these, you know, eating, eating dysfunctions and they might not be the best people to talk to or to talk with these, you know, these clients. Although I believe the person who's asking this question is already a better trainer just already wanting to know advice on how to handle it. So, a good point. Quick commercial break. Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support mind pump.

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Oh, man. Awesome question. It's so rad. Dude, there's so many comparisons. Where I begin. There's a parallel. Everybody has their own vibe they're bringing in to the creativity process. Clash of egos. Oh my God. Somebody always has a huge one and then somebody else comes in like, no man, I wrote that song like, oh shit. You're right.

Half the time, it's really funny because I know like, it resembles a lot of that sort of, like, team, that group flow kind of dynamic and something that we really have. And it's funny because it's total chemistry thing. Like, some people can work out, some people can't work out. Like, sometimes I've tried to,

and I've jammed with certain people and it just sounds like dog shit. And like somebody doesn't have the right rhythm. You know, somebody's like contributing like this weird like scale and you're like, why would you throw that in there? That's fucking lame, bro. You know, and like, you know, the drummer, he's like doing his own little groovy thing.

And you're just like, no, dude, pick it up. You know, and so it's just like, it's just, this interesting kind of blend of chemistry that sometimes you just hit the group hits and it's like, it's fucking gold. And you make killer music, but it's so rare. And I feel like, you know, not to be like, we're so awesome, but we are, this know, this, this chemistry thing, you know, like, it's rare to get that.

So it's a pretty cool thing to think about. Because I tried so hard to make that happen with the band, you know, like, we were just like, dude, you know, maybe we just got to work harder. We just got to get our big break, you know, that's a good question. Did you feel like, you know, that whole process of trying to build a big band that was you had to work really hard at it where this felt like there was no working towards it was just could you distinguish the 10% like that's I mean, nailed it. Like we were we the actual music we were making was interesting. I was

like into it at the time. Like I was like, wow, this is sounds cool and it was like really fun. And we were having a whole lot of fun, but there was no business to it and there was no management to it. And it was all an afterthought. And like I was the only one that even had a job. You know, and so I'm like buying all the equipment and the trailer and all this shit

and trying to book us gigs. And that was just like a one-sided thing. It was like I just got burnt out. And like, you know, once I kind of was like, dude, this is fun at all, but like, I'm burnt. Like, I gotta get back to reality where I'm making money and, you know, like, treating, like, I got a degree for a reason.

It's fun, guys, but, you know, what are those guys up to now? Actually, I stay connected to them loosely. Are they all, did they all go off and do big things or do some of them still chasing that I want to be in a band one day? One of them still is. And he was definitely one of the more talented ones,

for sure, he was in bands before us. So we kind of absorbed him. He was our lead singer guy for a while, Andrew. He's doing stuff with a country music singer and this guy's getting popularity so I hope you know it takes off for him that'd be awesome. Oh wow. Yeah, but like he totally has shifted genres a bunch of times so we were like heavy heavy metal stuff you know and so he went from from before that with like this this more like like kind of like popular rock and then he got

into like metal with us and then now it's like you know country so it's interesting and he got into like metal with us. And then now it's like country. So it's interesting. And he writes a lot of stuff on the coup stick and it's really good. But yeah, I think he still has this dream. I think he's the only one left that's really like, like music's my thing. It's so tough to break through. Like I totally respect musicians that soldier on,

as they get shiver. That's a long time, dude. Dude. Because it was a long time ago when you did. Don't make money. It's not for people who aren't on make money. It really isn't. It's not there. It makes me think, because chemistry is so important for a band because you're so creative. And so you need to have strong chemistry. But there's a potential downside of having really strong chemistry. Rem there's a potential downside of having really strong chemistry

Reminds me of like relationships like Guy and a girl are like super fire passionate and that passion can go in either direction. It still burns out though Yeah, or burns out or or it's yeah, so it's like you got to be care. You have tons of chemistry You know there's times when you need to be settled and, you know, kind of keep things cool, because it can't always be off. I don't know. I'm just, I think it was a balance. Yeah. Louis, I feel like this is more balanced, you know, the efforts are way more balanced. Whereas it was like, just, I mean, we had like times where I was like, wow, you know, we're just like in the zone, but that was hard to recreate all the

time. It still took work to recreate that. Whereas like, this is just so much more natural speed. Now because you've experienced that, do you feel like we've already kind of passed the time as, you know, is it going to be like, for example, we've been together now for, even though we've only been on air for about two and a half years, we've really been together about three or so, right? That we were all kind of talking and working together. Do you feel like we've now been together doing the same thing for long enough that, okay, we've kind of lasted the time that, okay, we're going to work together versus like maybe a fan you think at first, like, oh man, right away, you guys jam well, but

then you question. Then you find out six months later, like this motherfucker started to get on my nerves. Like does that, is that? Yeah, there's sort of approving grounds to that, right? Right, like, yeah, like you only go so long with a certain group of guys where you just realize, like, I don't know, man, I don't know if this has any weight to it, you know what I mean? And yeah, that's interesting to think about

because it's like, when we were in it, like everybody just like, oh my God, we just need to get in front of people and you're just so optimistic and you think everything's just gonna happen. And that's like our cell. Yeah, yeah. No, which I love it, because I feed off of that, right?

But I feel like with this, it's more like, the comparison, you've sort of mastered your instrument, right? And so of you, Sal, and so of I, right? And so we've gotten to a point where we've tried shady bands, we've gotten through the circuits, you know what I mean?

We know all like the, you know, the ins and outs of all the directions we could go, all that kind of stuff. We got a lot of wisdom, right? We've been on the road. And, you know, nobody knows who we are, but then all of a sudden, you know, you just hang out and we've all had like a similar story and it's like, then it's the fucking Beatles.

Well, it'll be, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha doing a nice little hit start from Northern California, work our way all the way down Southern California trip. I think that'll probably be the closest thing. Oh my God, right? Can we sell some merch on the way to? Absolutely. I'll probably want to strangle Sal, though, that much time. I might bring in the broccoli and fucking fish

inside the RV and dear God. You know, his all natural deals and earplates all natural deodorant and stuff. I think by about day three or so in the RV, I might be tired. I'll be strangling you guys. You don't want to get rid of Beyonce. I can't wait. Yeah.

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