Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 594: Missed Workout Strategies, Cool Down & Recovery Aids, Overcoming a Poor Relationship with Food & Exercise & MORE

Episode Date: September 13, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about their favorite post-workout “cool down” methods and recovery aids, educating stubborn family members on healthy eating, completely overcoming a poor relationship with food & exercise and what to do when you miss a workout. Adam talks his recent comments on the new Star Wars products from ONNIT (4:10) Simply seeing dollar signs These pieces of equipment are tools Not functional Adam talks Melissa Wolf’s first bikini show (16:43) Adam tells the story of seeing a judge who judged his first show (25:33) Quah question #1 – What’s each one of your favorite post-workout cool down methods and recovery aids? (33:50)  Adam – cryotherapy Sal – deep static stretching, foam rolling and walk outside in mourning with shirt off Justin – cold shower, open up hips (w/tension) Quah question #2 – How do you go about teaching your family about healthy eating and how food affects you? (45:00) Lead by example Quah question #3 – Do you believe someone with a poor relationship with food can ever rectify their issue? Or, in your experience, are these issues going to be a lifelong struggle? (52:28) Quah question #4 – If you miss a workout, is it a good idea to go hard to make up for it? Or you just continue with your normal routine? (1:00:27) Related Links/Products Mentioned Star Wars | Onnit @mindpumpjustin (Instagram post): Star Wars Kettlebell Kings (website) Discount Code "mindpump" Home – MuscleSport (website) Organifi (website) Discount Code "mindpump" Natural anti-inflammatory agents for pain relief (study) MAPS Prime/Prime Pro Why Facts Don't Change Our Minds | The New Yorker (article) Organifi Coupon Code "mindpump" People Mentioned: Aubrey Marcus (@aubreymarcus) • Instagram Pavel Tsatsouline Melissa Wolf (@meliwolff) • Instagram Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 29 minutes, me, Adam and Justin have some interesting conversation regarding on its new Star Wars, Kettlebell. Is it a good? How to clarify what I said on this.

Follow up on Adam's poster. Right, wait, God but her. Yeah, because he said it was a bad idea. Then we talk about Melissa's contest prep. This is somebody that Adam has been coaching and utilizing the MAPS aesthetic program with she won first place, killed everybody. Not literally.

Not yet. They're all dead. That's how we were. Not literally. Not, yeah. They're all dead. That's how we were. Tony Harding method. Yeah. Then Adam talks about his first competition, and there's a little backstory. He got some insider info.

Yeah, Doug, don't forget to edit that piece. Yeah, make sure you edit out the person's name that he used. We did mention the Organify Green Juice when we were talking about Melissa. She did use it to help her with her prep for her contest. By the way, if you go to OrganifyShop.com, enter the code Mind Pump for 20% off, then we get into the questions.

The first question was, what do each of us do post-workout to cool down? What are our favorite methods and recovery aids? The next question is, how do we go about talking to our family about healthy eating and how food affects you? This is a very difficult topic. My entire family thinks I'm extremely annoying.

The next question was, I can't see why. Do we believe that someone with a poor relationship to exercise and food can ever rectify those issues? Is there hope? We think so. And finally, if you miss a workout, is it a good idea to go extra hard and long in the next workout? Whoa, that makes it really exciting. Very excited. Yeah, very excited. Oh, and also you won't want to miss in this episode. The best analogy. It was like Justin has ever made this entire life. Yes. It was. It was like the dumbos meets Confucius. I tell you very much. If anyone can figure it out,

we're giving away a t-shirt. If you can figure out what he was trying to say, we'll give you a free t-shirt tell you. That's it. Brilliant. Also, this month, enrolling any maps program or maps bundle and get maps prime for free. Maps prime has fortification workouts that are correctional. It also has a self-assessment tool in there called a compass that teaches you how to prime your workouts properly. That comes with all of the maps programs that you get. So you basically get it for free. If you get the super bundle, which is one year's worth of exercise programming, you'll get Prime Pro for free, which that already

has Prime, so you get everything. And if you get the Prime and Prime Pro bundle, then we'll just give you Maps performance for free. So basically, everybody gets something for free. You can find it all at minepumpmedia.com. Wee! T-shirt time! It is time for T-shirts, guys. Wee! Hello, guys! You're way done! You've way done! What do we got? All right! We got seven reviews! Whoa! That's like an all-time low right there. It's a work of knowledge. It's perfect. Can I tell people I have a lever review? Yeah, it's a good idea.

All right, cool. If I can say it. What's going on right now? I don't know. This is what you do. You go to your podcast app, click on it. Go to the search function, enter mind pump. Even if you're subscribed, you got to do this.

Click on the icon, then you can leave a review, and you'll probably win a t-shirt if it's a good one And we like it. Thanks Doug. All right, so we're giving away two t-shirts the first one to Z stand 80 The second one to spreading the CrossFit gospel Both of you are winners. They gave us a five star. Yeah. Yeah, yes indeed So send the name I just read to iTunes at mind pump mediaMedia.com, send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Even though I flirt with wines like that, I never want to hurt the brand of the company,

right? And so when made a statement, like, you know, the MindPump team is always really known as a class act. I can't believe that you. Oh, you did that. Yeah, so kind of, so I had to come at him, you know what I'm saying? But do it really well because I was like, no, no, Yeah, so kind of, so I had to come at him, you know what I'm saying, but do it really well because I was like, no, no, no, no one's using any exclamation marks.

As I love on it, I think it's a great company. This is, I just being very straightforward. I could, I could be wrong, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm not saying that it's just my opinion, you know, I'm a guy and that's, and you know what, here's a deal, like, bit in this industry for fucking 16 plus years. And you know, we have lived and breathed like every almost every aspect of it in a sense, whether it be someone that we've connected to worked for worked with. And so I feel like I have a pretty good pulse of the industry. And when I see something like that, I see licensing fees, I see molding, and then I see how well are the brands,

either are the brands conflicting synergistic or neither, right? And I see that and what my brain, the way it works, I see $1. Yeah, I see, I see, and then I see how high, and then I see, okay, well, what does it fall under? It falls under a tool, right? And as a tool, how many tools do you know that you purchased because it was cool or sexy?

Normally you make a purchase for a tool because it's functional, useful, practical, or affordable. So when you look at weights in that way, and I'm not saying, because I think it looks fucking cool. It looks fucking cool. And I think to, along those lines, I feel like, I see that too. I see all the dollar signs and like,

what it takes to even like, you know, like, are people even gonna use them, you know, what's the purpose, all that kind of stuff. And then you think about like, what it's gonna do for unconventional tools, right? So along that end of it, it's like, okay, well, this will get a lot of exposure to, you know, more of the mass public, where they wouldn't have been drawn to it before.

So, I mean, you said that. So I asked this and I, and I genuinely want you to hear what you say right here, like, do you think somebody who's never lifted weights, but as a Star Wars fan buys that and that's what gets them to start using kettlebells. Or so that's kind of a far fit. You're right. You get to reach like you're the market. You're the market. Yeah, the market for it is people who are really into kettlebells who also are really into Star Wars. And even that's yeah, that's your market. No, I don't even I think it's even smaller than that because I think if you're really into kettlebells, you want a kettlebell. You're not going to Comic Con and buy in a kettlebell.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And you know, there's some hybrids like myself. Right. And like, you know, some other people like the Tribune did and I was like, yeah, you know, just because we're suckers. Well, we're suckers from merchandise.

You have disposable income. You have disposable income. You make- I'd love to know the numbers and see how things are. Yeah, me too. I could be totally wrong. Like I can be totally wrong on this one. Like the Captain America plates and all that stuff.

Like a one- And I don't know, I don't know, Aubrey's personal relationship with any of those companies. So for all I know, he's got an incredible- Oh, I'm sure you just got a licensing deal through Disney. I mean, Disney owns both those brands and it was like a business deal where it was like, okay, we have like a certain licensing agreement.

So you can either use these with a peril or you can use these with equipment. Right. And so then he's like trying to like make something of that. And that's what I'm wondering like what that licensing deal looks like. And if you're talking about Disney, you ain't talking about expensive. You're not, yeah, like when Nintendo did that with Vans, like I would be interested to see what that what that number looks like. And I'm sure it was a good person to ask. Like I have a kind of a relationship with the founder

of St. Crooks brand. I bet he wouldn't know. So they did, I mean, that's like, oh, they're whole business now. But they honestly only used the shirts and apparel and all that, which blew my mind. Cause you think of St. Crooks, you think of the apparel. Right.

They only use that to sell trucks. And they're all about the boards and the trucks, like the hardware. That was just something that happened in excess, but that's what everybody knows the brand for is all this stuff. You got to ask yourself, they've done it before with the branding

with other things that weren't licensed, but that was their own thing. But they did the Captain America plate. That was licensed. So I'm they did the Captain America plate, that was licensed. So I'm sure they looked back and said, we're not losing money, maybe it's not a big money maker, but maybe it's just part of the branding. Yeah, but the way I'm saying,

the way I would think the licensing would work is, it's up to on it to create whatever it is. I'm paying for the license. So I think this is more about, I think this is more about, I made a business decision to license with this brand. That's exactly it. And I'm scr for the license. So I think this is more about, I think this is more about, I made a business decision to license with this brand. And I'm scrambling with ideas. I've made shirts, I've done kettlebells, I've done weights.

Well, because I posted to you on my Instagram, like there's skate decks that one of my client has that have the Star Wars images on it. And to be able to get that done, like those are the ones that they didn't approve of. So their brand is the one that comes up with the designs and then they get approved by this licensing sort of agreement council or whoever's in charge

of that side of the business. And then, but yeah, you have to present them with your ideas, your art, all that stuff, and then they approve it. And you're already probably paid out for all that process. Yes, so you gotta look at all that, and then you gotta ask yourself,

so this might be just that we gotta squeeze out stuff. Right, it might be, we decided to do a deal with these people and- It's not turning out, it's just getting over here. So let's do it everyone. And the reason why I challenged that, and that's the my thought process on this is because I mean Do you have you seen a Captain America plate or or a gorilla or anything that that besides Joe Rogan using the the the grill

Grilla kettlebells? I love to see the numbers. I'd be interested in that. Oh, I would be I would love to see it So it's you this is what I'm thinking is there's definitely things that people who are into working out or hardcore into working out that they would buy That look cool and it's usually not it would usually be a throwback to the weights of the culture of weights or the culture of barbells like in other words I could see an old-timey barbell being sold to peep to gyms and shit because it wants a normal team Yeah, functional still yeah like the one Eugene Sandals holding or like a super cool. That's something that I could see, but to have it kind of brand.

And even then, I think that would be hard, right? I think even that. You're still very small. Yeah, that's a very neat. Oh, that'll be sick. Imagine having a row of barbells. Again, going back to what is a barbell, what is a dumbbell, what is this?

This equipment, these are tools. And when in tools, like this is something that you want wanna see a progression and you wanna see them as they evolve, they get more functional, they get better, and they get cheaper. Well, not be honest, this is what I went through with Axon,

the whole time I was trying to design it. It's like, it's screened lightsaber. And everybody told me that, it's gonna be like, you push it down, I see lights as lightsaber. You know, and like, oh, and let's cloud it, so it even make it kinda look like, and I have lights as lightsaber. You know, I'm like, oh, let's cloud it. So it even make it kind of look like it. I have to establish the fact of its relevance

and it being a tool. If it's a tool, I want it to be more familiar to the gym setting and like what? People will expect as they go to reach for something to use, right? It's going to lie besides all these other tools and it serves a function and a purpose. And so also I wanna convey the importance of those types,

that type of training in general, which gets no notoriety or publicity, it's not popular. You know, so it has a long road ahead of it. And so it has to be established as a tool and serve a purpose and all that kind of stuff. And then down the road or whatever, I could see kids or something, but even then, that's such, if you're trying to mark your kids good luck.

Yeah, and it's not something you can use. Yeah, what I'm showing. $250 get a bill for a kid, like no kid's gonna pay. Well not only that, but you can't use it. I mean, we haven't even said that. We're assuming people know that, but you can't use it. I mean, we haven't even said that. We, I think we're assuming people know that, but you can't use a kettlebell with edges on it and stuff. You can't rack it because you're gonna fuck your shit up.

You can't, I mean, swinging it, the weight is a different distribution. They're totally non-functional. So, I'm sure you have a kettle. I'm sure it's a design, I hope it's designed to be balanced at least. Well, it'd be balanced left to right, but the weight, the shape of it's different.

It's just not ideal, right? It's like rubs you, like, oh shit, like, yeah, I can't round them. Yeah, you ain't gonna rack a kettlebell with a big iron. All of it can be done in whatever, it's not a matter of could it, it's just, it's not functional, it's not ideal. And when you're a tool, so that was like my whole thing.

I think, you know, for the most part, I think some people got where I was going with that. I know it was definitely not a personal jab on it. I would just be curious to see, there has to be market research on this. I mean, if I had to guess, I would guess that they have probably somewhere between 50,000 to 100,000 consistent customers

out of those 50 to 100,000 consistent customers, probably 25 to 30,000 of them are like regular buyers of supplements, apparel, and whatever else they all, all the other good stuff they offer through on it. And then my guess would be, okay, how many of those are actually using unconventional tools. And then I would send out a market research

to all those people asking them, hey, if we did this, how many would pay extra money for this and see, get a good idea of like where, if that would even make any sense. But I think it's a reach to get more people that aren't into lifting weights. Yeah, they just want to cool. And I don't think that's, I don't think that's the, I mean, how long have you been in

fitness and before you even started using a kettlebell? Well, kettlebells, I've been in fitness for a long time. They weren't around when I first started. But they were though around. They were in Russia. Yeah. I mean, they were. They were here. They were here. They weren't here. They weren't here. You couldn't, so the first kettlebells that I bought, I actually had to have imported from Russia. No, Joe, you couldn't find kettlebells here. Yeah, I had to buy them like as I went through like some of the courses. That was the only place you could get them. Yeah, I had to buy them like as I went through like some of the courses. Like they that was the only place you could get them.

Yeah, it was definitely a hovel. It was definitely hard. And again, another reason why I think this is crazy is like, it is such a small niche market. Yeah, it is. It's already and, you know, and we're close friends with in my opinion, the, and that's not because I'm biased either because the kettlebell Kings hands down is the best kettlebells in the game. Anybody who uses kettlebells or has used them

or has done kettlebell sport will tell you that, hands down, right? So, and there's a couple other brands that are pretty solid. Because they keep reiterating like the importance of the performance end of it. So they're asking athletes like, how big should our window be? How all these like performance driven design implements?

And so then they keep trying over and over to improve, improve, improve. So it's a different mentality than just trying to sell. It totally did. And so in your opinion, if you're, if you're, both of them are race horses because we're talking about business right here and we're talking about two businesses that are providing a similar thing on its in the lead,

but they're going to totally surpass them. Especially in that department. In that department, in that department, 100%. Right? So, I mean, and I feel like a company that big, you have the money, you have the resources, I would have better spent it on either one, finding like legit.

Yeah, like, yeah, why would you not do that? I'd rather dominate a like, I would either one try and look into a company, which by the way is in the same city as they are, like acquiring them or partnering with them. Like that's who I would partner with. I would like choose to partner with a legitimate kettlebell and into the kettlebell sport,

which they're not even part of the sponsoring. So that's what I meant by the whole business thing. I don't think it was smart. It was a poor decision and totally not a knock on it whatsoever. I love the company and I love the hell of shit about what they're doing. This is one of the things I don't. And so I was just voicing that, I was curious to have you on the cool factor. Yeah, I want to see what other people think. Everybody had to say it was cool. But I'm like, I want to know who would actually

buy this thing. Yeah, how many people would actually chop, would actually cough up fucking 250 bucks, dude. Yeah, that is exciting. You mean put that in price out there as a Dude hurts right for one you don't even get the you don't even get the other Vader Yeah, I'm doing a single arm work I don't think anybody's buying those to use them. I don't think anybody's buying those for work It's it's a it's a hundred percent it's cool You know, it's a lot of money. They're not trying to sell a out. It's a two, it's a 100%. It's cool. It's a lot of money. They're not trying to sell a lot of all you know.

You know, it's funny. We might actually buy it. You know what I'm saying? Because I could totally see having them in our studio because of the fact that we should. Because of the way I got a Vader, like a bank, right? Right, right. Like I hope it.

I would totally get one for Justin as a gift, you know? Because that's what I would like. I'd like paint it. Yeah. I would love it. So dude, we got to talk about Melissa's competition, dude. How well she did. Wow. Wow. She fucking killed it. Yeah. So, so, so dude, we got to talk about Melissa's competition, dude. How well she did. Wow. Yeah. She killed it. Yeah. First, first and second, man. So first in the overall novice, is that what you got? So, yeah, she got first in the overall novice. First, so if you got first

in novice, that puts her in the category to compete against the overall novice, which means all high-th category. So novice, she competing in the category against all girls that they were competing their first show. She smoked that. She won not only her high-th category, which there was 12 or 12 or 15 girls in that one. I think that one had 12. That one had 12. The other one had 15 girls. She takes first place in that and then she goes, competes the overall, which now she has to win against all the first place girls that are in different height categories, won that. And then the open, which pretty much puts her against anyone who's been, you could have been done 20 shows under your belt.

So it's anyone and everyone that's competing there that's just still an amateur. And she took second in that. And she'd been more well known. I bet she'd got for her. Oh, that or even, you know, just, her, you could tell, first time, she had her nerves. I could see she was, you know, so the only time that really in the novice, I thought she smoked everybody, not only her physique, but then even her composure and stuff. So here's what I want, what I like, what I found fascinating about this, because she's not a huge, she's not a huge girl, she got shredded,

kudos to her, but also kudos to you Adam for training her. I know you were taking her through, like maps aesthetic, I'm training. And then nutrition advice that we tend to give people up until her contest, what was her daily calorie intake? She was overs, well, I brought her all the way up to 2400 calories, and then I slowly over the course of the nine weeks took her down to 1600. 1600 calories was her pre-contest, like,

that was her nutrition, and that's a full 600 calories more than the most. Yeah, she's only a hundred, you remember, she's only a 112, she had stays at 111 pounds. See, and that's just like proper training, proper signaling, anabolic, kept her muscle. She can actually keep eating. God lean, didn't damage her metabolism. I mean, the purpose of the pudding. It was, for me, it was very easy and I'll be very truthful about this.

One, she had a great solid base. I knew that when I met her, I saw her physique. She's been great training for years, so she had good balance. I've told people on this show before, I can look at someone's physique and I could tell you if you were built to compete. She was built to compete.

We saw the mechanics that she's doing some modeling stuff for us beforehand, we're like, wow. Like somebody that's trained for a good amount of time. She squats, she deadlifts, so I know she got a great base on her. You're right, her mechanics were nice, and she's pretty. So she would look great on a magazine when she's all shredded. So I knew she had the potential to do that, and she's a very smart woman. So I knew teaching her would be easy, and the only thing that she wanted for me was that

was the deal. She came to me and said, listen, I've never wanted to compete before. I've been, you know, listening to my pump, I've heard you talk about, you know, competing and the way you're approached and she's like, I have so many friends that compete and I have no desire to do that and I think it's so unhealthy and it's wrong for the body. But hearing you talk about it, like it makes me want to try and do it the right way. And I think it's so unhealthy and it's wrong for the body, but hearing you talk about it, like it makes me want to try and do it the right way, do you think I can?

And I said, yeah, no, I absolutely think you can. And so that was kind of the deal. And I said, okay, well, what I want to do is I want to document it and everything while we do it, because it's could be something that later on the road, we use for advertising and marketing and stuff. And I thought she's a perfect girl to do that with. And so that was the agreement was,

I'm going to coach you through this process. And we can use your photos and images and I thought she's a perfect girl to do that with and so that was the agreement was I'm going to coach you through this process and we can use your photos and images and everything like that to share with people to market any of our programs and so she's like right on and so we started along and I told her before we picked a show that I wanted to have her for about a month or so so I can kind of see where her calories were and I wanted to push her calories up as high as I could before I took her the other direction. And I think this is a mistake that a lot of people make when they get into a dieting for a show or just dieting in general. They don't find kind of where their baseline is. They just all sudden follow this super low calorie restricted diet and I wanted to see where

she was at. She's got a lot of good lean mass on her. So I slowly took her and we took her diet the first week. She was about 1,800 calories or so, 1,700 to 1,800 calories. And so over the course of a month, I creeped her up to about 2,200 calories. This is hilarious. She hit contest eating almost as many calories as she was normally before you started working with her.

That's that's and I say that's ridiculous. It's awesome. test eating almost as many calories as she was normally before you started working with her. That's, that's, and I say that's ridiculous. It's awesome, but it's just people need to know you can do it the right way. This is incredible. She didn't, she didn't run on a treadmill until two weeks out either was the first time she ever. She was shredded. Yeah.

She got ripped. So it, and it also made it very easy for us to reverse out because we didn't overdo anything. So now you're following like a map systemic, but obviously an individualized for her. So we're training. Well, we actually followed maps aesthetic to a T all the way until, oh, like literally the programming that's that's there. Yeah, literally, literally to a T. In fact, that's how I started her was like I sent her everything and said, I just want you to for now, I want you to follow us to a tee. As we get closer and I start looking at your body,

I'm gonna modify and adjust your volume according. What were the focus sessions on for her? For her hamstrings and shoulders. Oh wow. Yeah, hamstrings and shoulders. And I told the reason why that was was I said, these are your, in my opinion, these are your money muscles for women's bikini

and men's physique, and men's physique. Not men's physique, not the hamstrings, but the back more so because it's what exaggerates that that V-taper. So building good shoulder caps on her, it brings her arms together and it always makes arms look great. So even if you don't have the greatest arms, if you have great shoulders, it makes you look like you have great arms. So having great shoulder caps and I said that'll make your V taper be wider and it'll really bring your arms together. So that was an area of focus. And she has really good legs. She just needed to put more focus on her hamstrings. She's very quad dominant. So we laid off a lot of squats and that was a small modification too. And in Mapsesthetic is I pulled out a lot of quad dominant movements and

Any leg exercises I had her doing they were more hamstring Focused so I had a lot of sumo deads in there and stiff leg of dead list. I started Focusing more on the posterior chain So that was the main modification and I and over time, I progressed her volume faster than it's organized in the maps, Black Program. So in the maps Black, we basically want you to go all the way through around before you start building upon that. Sure. But she was starting out at a higher level. Right, right. She was already at a higher level. And plus again, we have a time that we're working on. So this is how I'm going to scale her. Now Now I know, you think that she got the itch

to compete and keep going forward with this? Or is she kind of just like, 100% she's a duping now, right? Yeah, because especially since she won. Oh, bro, she's got the pro. She doesn't think she won. Like right out of the gates. But I just remember her kind of like going into this,

with hesitance a little bit, because you know, wasn't like super into doing this to begin with and was trying her kind of like going into this with hesitance a little bit because you know wasn't like super into Doing this to begin with and was trying to kind of more make a point of like this is how you can do it the right way It healthy all this kind of stuff and it's funny because her and I really didn't spend a lot of time talking about this Because I never wanted to be Influencing her either way like I didn't want My experience to be her experience. I wanted her to have her own experience with this. I just gave her a little bit of foresight on some things to look for in the industry,

what to expect with judging. So when I didn't ever tell her, even though in the back of my head, I had high expectations for her placing. I knew that it could go any direction with the judging and stuff. And so I made it, I made her know that, like listen, I don't have like a great name and bodybuilding, right? You know, I might, people might know me a little bit. You know, I'm not, I don't, I don't, Adam say it. Yeah, like I don't, and that's actually why you'll,

if you actually look at her Instagram and stuff like that, she's not wrapping me at all. I didn't want her to, I said, you know, I don't think you should. Like, I honestly have been out of the circuit for over two years and I don't know how the company feels about me because I've openly shared a lot about competing and I'm obviously not a huge advocate even though I did it, right?

So, she kept it really quiet. Just refer to me as coach all the time, but never really talked about me personally. Now you said you had talked to some of the judges or something over there about the whole thing? You want to get into that? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, do you?

Well, it's like juicy. No, it was so, you guys have heard me share the story about my very first show and my placing. Do you remember what I told you guys? I don't know if you guys remember this. So, and this is important to get this because this is a crazy part about the story is, I went to take Melissa backstage,

and one of my buddies, he's worked for Muscle Sport for a very long time, which is one of the, there's two main companies, Spectrum Fitness, Muscle Contest, Muscle Sports, sorry, three, that host all these big shows. And he's worked for them for over four years, well, he's working the show, and I find out the day of forest, I call him up, my buddy, Raj.

And I get backstage and they see me walking in, I'm carrying one of the cameras, and she's got her bag and I got no bracelet and they're like, hey, you can't come in here. And you definitely can't come in here with that camera. And I'm like, oh, I'm not shooting the camera, I'm like, it's all good, so that, and I see my boy, Raj, they across the room. And I'm like, oh, I'm not shooting the camera. I'm like, it's all good. So that and I see my boy Rodge, I across the room.

And I'm like, yeah, no, I'll just wait here. And I made eye contact and he come over. And he came over. And as soon as they saw me talking to him, they kind of left me alone for a little bit. So he introduces me to one of the main guys. And he's also one of the head judges, right? And he walks up to him and he goes,

hey bro, this is Adam Schaefer, do you remember him? And he's like, you know, he's looking at me like he doesn't remember me at all. And he starts like talking all about mind pump. Oh, no. Oh yeah, totally embarrassing. This guy's got like 30 plus years on me. So he's an older guy and he's,

and my buddy's like name dropping me and talking about YouTube and Facebook and Instagram. It's all social media stuff. This guy's like fucking come on. Everybody's gonna have to turn on a podcast right? So I'm feeling embarrassed for him because my buddy keeps like I can't believe you don't know him. This he was a pro. He's this. He's telling them all that stuff to him. I'm like, oh God, dude, just it's no big deal. He doesn't know who I am, right? But I know what he was trying to do, he was trying to get me a wristband for free, so I could hang out in the back,

because no one's supposed to be back there, except for people that are working, and the, and the, all the competitors. So, we end up like kind of chopping it up light about the show a little bit, and then he walks away, and he goes, he snaps his fingers and he goes, I know who you are. He's like, Adam Schaeffer. Oh my god, dude

I judged your first show and I judged your USA's he goes boy And then he starts talking about one of the other judges one of the head judges He goes she sure didn't like you and that he tells me the whole backstory on this day So if you remember the story I told you guys I came out on stage and this is the only time I've ever seen this happen is it happened to me where in pre-judging you pretty much know what place you're gonna get. And so I come out on stage and in the morning show, these guys don't even call me in the first lineups. So that means I'm taking six place or worse. Now why that was a big deal to me was this is the show I tell you guys that when I unzipped backstage literally all the bet the like what are you doing?

Well, all the fittest dudes walked over to me like who are you? Who's your coach? Oh my god, asking me all these questions. I hope I get second to you like the already everyone conceded. I didn't even hit stage yet. All the competitors in the back already tell me so of course I went out there super confident. I felt good. Hidden stage, all my competitors telling me how great I look, get out there, don't even get first callouts. I'm standing next to the guy that's at fourth and fifth and I'm looking at him and I'm like, dude, it's not even close. Not even close. And so I'm pissed, but I'm trying not to you can't act like that because you're trying to smile You're supposed to be all whatever so I leave that night and I talked to my buddy my buddy Raj who works on my dude

What the fuck is like dude? I don't know what happened. That's crazy. I don't know. I don't know So this guy tells me so let me explain how judging works You've got your your your five judges out of the five judges. You have one head judge. The head judge decides who the first five are out. And then the rest of those judges say, oh, he's first, he's second, he's third. And then they look at everyone's scoring together because like a dog show. Right. Yeah. So they do this. But so that day, everybody, every other judge either placed me and he tells me all this. He's like, every judge placed you first place

or second in the entire show. Oh wow. The head judge didn't even put you in top five. So what was her deal? She told, they got, she said, so during the break, they got into a fight about me. And so they were, he said they were going back and forth and they were arguing and she's like,

too, this is too much. We have to stop it somewhere it somewhere it's he's way too ripped he's too muscular and so that was oh you got ding for it so yeah so she was and so she was like we need to make a statement and they're all like you can't you this is too this is not fair like this guy looks great that it and they're going and then they're all fighting for my case and so if the compromise was they bumped me to fourth place, which keeps me from competing at nationals. You have to get top three to get qualified for nationals. This is your very first show.

Very first show. Yeah, I was there. Yeah, I remember that. I was like, what the fuck, how there's no way. Yes. So that's the, and so he told me all the backstory of that. And I've never heard that before. Of course, I've shared I've told the story on my pump before and I'd shared all that, but to actually hear and then he told me that he

remembered USA's is like, Oh man, what a that was you and Devon. Let me even told me the reason why I didn't win. Then he's like, you know, they came down to all the judges. It was one of their judge and and he's all and me and we were going back and forth. He liked Devon because he liked a little bit harder look. I liked you skin complexion. Everything was so much better, but you guys were neck and neck. I said, no, that was I we him and I got flip flops like 10 times. I've never seen that happen before. So yeah, he put it all together and then we ended up chopping it up forever. You give me a pass. We're hanging out back there. But what

a what a crazy world is so fun. I know. right? I mean, but it just shows you like that's how this shit works right? Like I mean, you know, people talk all the time. It's no metrics. There isn't there is it's so it's so objective. Subjective subjective and all it takes is one person like that to not like not like you, especially if it's that especially if it's the head judge because they dictate who comes out in that You can never compete again after my right I told Melissa don't tell who you're with just go up there go do your thing right yeah no she she absolutely smart killed it and looked awesome super super did it all the right way good strength good performance I definitely think I mean I had a lot of

people inbox me that actually would love to hear her get interviewed by us So maybe we'll have to do that. Yeah, I know people are gonna ask and I know she had worked out a small sponsorship through Organified what supplements that she used that she used any of them consistently the up until the content the only things that she was using Was the the green juices and the occasional Protein shake and that was it what did it. What was it about the green juice? Because you're obviously coaching or you can see changes or whatever. Well, the way I told her to,

to intermittently put it in there was is the same way that I use it. As you know, and I know this from competing too, like sometimes when you're making food in bulk, like making vegetables in bulk kind of suck sometimes. Like it's nothing's grosser than two day old for getting asparagus or like that. Like, and nothing's grosser than two day old frickin' asparagus or like that.

Like, and you don't need to be that miserable. To of, you wanna make it. Right, so I told you, like, so if you're days where you can't get enough of your greens or what that, and you know you're not getting it every one of your meals, you know, that's where you use it in a supplement. And so, you know, she was consistent with that. Yeah, we use that all the way till the towards the end,

cause once again, I'm pulling all. You wanna pull anything that's, you don't know. Yeah, exactly. once again I'm pulling all you want to pull anything that's you don't know yeah exactly so anything I'm not a hundred percent sure exactly to the calorie what it is and the sodium and stuff like that we're manipulating at the end so and that was an additional 25 calorie so at that point we were down to counting every calorie too so a good deal yeah it was cool bring it bring it to the fridge this quads brought to you by organify for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-edit edge.

Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Life of Symmetry. What's each one of your favorite post workout cool down methods and recovery aids? Hmm. I love a protein shake. I don't know if we... Okay, favorite post, because I'm going to say I definitely don't have a ritual that I do here

because... I wash my groin. That's smart. I can give you some recoveraids, tools that I use. I love cryotherapy. I just fell off the ladder. And I've been dealing with swelling. No, no, he literally fell off the ladder.

Yeah, this isn't a metaphor. Yeah, it's not making a metaphor. He was on a ladder at the very top, he fell. It fell. And I thought he slowed. I thought he was like, I saw love. That's why I'm dwindling away right now for those that are noticing.

Like it's been two weeks since I've lifted. So yeah, so I've been using the cryotherapy. And I feel amazing every time I get You can just I you can with something like that where I have an acute injury You can see the swelling come down like I can I walk in my back is all swollen There's like a lump and then you go in there and it's like all the way gone I'm gonna be honest like watching really big dudes fall is fucking hilarious Like did you see him go down though? Yeah, it was like

Fuck you is fucking hilarious. Like did you see him go down though? Yeah it was like mmm fuck you. It took so long. Like all his lambs are up in the air. They're like huge. You know? You saw him, you saw him go down. Yes, I was on the other side. I didn't do anything about it. I was there, nobody holds it.

I want to try to catch him. I missed it. I missed the whole fucking thing. You know what, it was so slow. You could have caught him. And everybody who should have seen that. You know the worst part about that is as a child, as a child growing up, I worked around my, my dad was in construction my whole life.

So I literally have been around ladders and climbing ladders my whole life. And like there's just rules to like when you're working, like you know, always have somebody who holds, and that's like in safety 101 for anyone who's ever worked around. Especially a sketchy ladder. Well, especially when you're, and it says don't ever stand on the green part.

Don't stand on the top, always have someone hold a ladder, and either one of those else do it. While I was balancing a fucking 90 pound rule breaker. You know what it might be? It might be because you guys know I've been doing a lot of meditating meditating stuff. Maybe the universe gave you karma for that time. You yanked me with the fucking band and made me fall.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that was a mean ass karma get back there. Well, you know, karma doesn't even like, karma doesn't care, you know what I mean? Karma doesn't care. I got a scratch on my name when I fell. So, so you cryo sometimes. So I use, I use cryos.

Have you tried it before? Yeah, awesome. Really? I remember you saying superchargers. Yeah, I've done this. Yes, before it's awesome, after it's done. So if you want to talk about tools that I consistently use,

I would have to say that in like as far as a recovery tool, that one would be up there. I've dabbled in all kinds of stuff, but those, that's a go-to. I feel really good. Now, the downfall that is cryo is really expensive. So it's not even like a really good deal, I think, is either a monthly membership, like a tanning salon, which is a pretty heavy commitment for some people, and per visit can be pretty expensive. But, you know, normally that's how it works, right? The shit that works really well, that's really good,

is not cheap and so it's not a gimmick. It very much so works, it very much so helps and it's definitely up there with my favorite tools. I would wonder if the cold from the cryo post workout, obviously reduce inflammation, probably accelerate recovery, would it, or could it potentially also blunt the muscle-building signal? I would think so.

Like we're finding with other things that tend to damp down a little bit. Yeah, we think so, like you'd want to do that intermittently. So at least then you also like get the benefits. Full benefits of the inflammation. Yeah, because then you have the other side of that too, which is if I'm able to control inflammation with this tool, then I can work out harder, so maybe that offsets, you know what I mean, the reduction or whatever. It'd be an interesting thing

to see because right now the research is so mixed as to whether or not, you know, I now research on anti-inflammatory drugs is pretty clear. You take them a lot, especially around your workouts, and you will build less muscle and have, and dampen that muscle building signal. And I feel like that's a fact. And I feel like taking something like that, and you would know this better than me. If it seems more like that would be something that would block a signal versus something that would, like a cooling down process, would be something that would speed up that, that signal or process. So, see, here's what I'm thinking because they've had some studies at point to how you may have like lower protein synthesis responses. If you do something like an ice bath,

this is, Kryel's different because it's so quick. So I'm not sure if it's the same, if it would be the same thing. But, you know, inflammation is an important signal. Tells your body to send resources to rebuild and strengthen. And so, but inflammation run amuck is bad. That's horrible too. So it's kind of like this balancing game.

I feel like the way I use it right now is like, because you don't use it right now. Oh, yeah, God knows. No, no, definitely not. Not even close to that. I don't even think I use it once a week. It's very intermittently, but if there's anything that I consistently do, that's probably as far as a recovery tool or aid.

That's probably the one that I probably go to the most, but even then I don't do it that often. The way I do it is like, okay, I fell off a ladder, so that's obvious, right? That's a no brainer why I'm going there because I'm not worried about building muscle in that situation. But we admit on this show, and I'll be the first to admit it again, that I flirt with the boundaries

of what I should be pushing my body and I shouldn't be pushing my body. And I most certainly overdo. You know, like, I think that's the determiner for me. It was always like using recovery aids. Like, I know that, oh my God, I just blasted myself on something I haven't done for very long. Right. And so it's like, oh shit, I know that I'm god I just blasted myself on something I haven't done for very long.

Right. And so it's like oh shit, I know that I'm gonna get a lot of damage you know from this day because I over did it. Right. So now I'm gonna look towards recovery aids you know with that mindset. And that's just forward thinking because you know if you don't the next day you're gonna be so hindered you may not even work out again. I mean this doesn't be terrible. Right. Yeah so there's a couple of things that I do

pretty regularly after my workouts that I've noticed good benefit from in terms of both recovery and improved muscle adaptation or signaling. One is I do a combination at the end of my workout. If I have time, I do this after every workout. I do a combination of deep static stretching with tension positions

and movements and maybe foam rolling. Now in Maps Prime, we actually put that in there. We talk a lot about Maps Prime doing, you know, priming your workouts, but we don't mention a lot of is we also teach you at a post-prime, which is also very... So, lidifying the strongest, you know, the best pathway for a lot of, you know, your recruitment process. Exactly. We really wanted to put that in there, because, you know, we teach your body to do it, then we go through the, you know, actual workout of it,

but let's really hone in on, you know, what we want. Yeah, so to give you an example, if I have, if I need more range of motion and I have just excessively tight hamstrings, I'll do some static hamstring stretches at the end of my workout. This is when static stretches are great, by the way, because your warm muscles are pliable, you can get more range of motion. If the hamstrings are just super, super tight, then I'll focus on stretching them at the

end of my workout. But then I'll also connect to the hamstrings at the end of the stretches, so that I make sure that I can connect with new ranges of motion that I created. Foam rolling is really good for tight, what we would call overactive muscles, that's a bad name, but these are foam muscles that are very, very tight that are getting in the way of certain things,

like my paraformus. And I may foam roll, my terras major minor, I may foam roll, and then I may do some tension movements at the end to solidify the signal, like Justin said, this whole process takes me 10 to 15 minutes at most, and then the other thing I used to love to do, I don't do so much anymore, because I work out so early in the morning,

is I love to go for a walk outside in the sun with my shirt off. I have a theory that the sunlight stimulating, you know, the use of cholesterol to form vitamin D is giving me kind of this post workout and a balic effect. And I used to always feel my best after my workout when I was able to do that. I go for like a 30 minute walk, get some sun exposure, and I used to feel really, really good afterwards.

And the guys, you know, and I got this idea. And I used to do it with the kryps night crystals. Yeah, exactly. And you know, you know what gave me the idea of why this may be beneficial is the bodybuilders of the 70s, especially the guys that worked out in Venice. Yeah, they worked out in the end. This was part of their formula, and Arnold had actually written some article saying, how he thought it made him feel better afterwards.

So, Justin, what do you do? Yeah, I mean, from one out. Yeah. It's my go too. It's just like straight to whacking it. Yeah. No, I mean, a lot like you guys,

like you do cry sometimes. So I'll do, typically I'll just run like a really really cold shower as a nice recovery like in stimulating kind of it keeps it keeps me to I find a lot of times when I work out like super hard and have a intense session like the rest of my day I'm I'm more on the groggy side so I'm less like charged up if I like just barely kind of overdo it So that's when I know okay need some recovery aid and so this is one of those where it's like okay I get like Restimulated by by going through like the cold shower and then also like you know the the lower inflammatory kind of effect with that as well

But you know if I had access to cry. I would be doing it more for sure, right? But yeah, so that and and then, like Sal mentioned, I do a lot of those moves as well, especially the, really spending the time to open up my hips, that's been a big thing for me, and just solidifying that position, so I'll add tension like 90, 90, and also the kneeling position, and then adding this anterior line that I'm position, and then adding this anterior line

that I'm establishing and opening myself up. So that's really helped me because of all the driving I do all the time, all the sitting I do here, all that kind of shit really adds up in my hips. So yeah, that's kind of like my go-to. And then, as far as eating goes, I'm not trying to hit a window or anything like that, but I feel hungry, I'm going to go get something to eat.

That's my thing. That's your ritual. Yeah. Quick commercial break. Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support mind pump. Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm-forward-mind-pump and get 20% off brain FM for meditation or focus.

You can also go to audible-trialcom forward slash mind pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to goodgetnatureblend.com forward slash mind pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield CBD product. Next question is from Keto Car. How do you go about trying to educate your family on healthy eating and how food affects you? Her grandfather has had five heart attacks over the course of his life, and after his most

recent one, they went and ate at McDonald's. Yeah, fuck. You know what? So I got a story. Yeah, I have one right and the same. I took McDonald's to this situation just like this. No, so I got a story that's, she's talking about a grandfather. So a few years ago, or maybe five years ago, I would go with a family member to visit when she would get her chemotherapy.

She was, you know, had been fighting cancer. And so you get to meet some people that come in and get their treatment and stuff and then you talk to the nurses. And I was talking to one of the nurses and we were just telling stories and she told me the story of this 94 year old Italian man that came in there that they discovered had lung cancer. So the oncologist is like, look, you know, I don't know, to tell you, you've got, and he's a smoker. I've been smoking his whole life.

He's like, you've got lung cancer. So, and the guy's like, yeah, what's your point? And the guy goes, well, I mean, we could do all these treatments and chemo, because I'm 94 years old, I'm gonna give a shit. And he says, he says, he's walking, I'm fucking lit up, it's cigarette. And it's like, you know, sometimes at that point, I'm, her grandfather may be in the state of mind

where he's like, I've had five, I'm old, I don't give a shit, I'm gonna do whatever I want. So, that's what happens there. As far as the family is concerned, I annoy the fuck out of my family at this point. It's very, very difficult. I mean, my family will eat something and they'll look at me to see the look that I give them.

And I have to be careful because I know I can be annoying and to give them the people's eyebrow. I'm really starting to annoy my parents. Like my parents, my dad is like, dude, seriously, you're getting my fucking hair. This is like recently. Because, you know, my parents are now, they're in their late 50s.

They're relatively good health, but I can see how that's gonna start changing if they don't start paying attention. Once you start to hit your 60s and stuff, you don't get away with nearly as much stuff. And for the most part, we're pretty healthy. But my dad will have these organic like sodas or, you know, you'll have the occasional ice cream or whatever.

And he's had some issues with blood sugar. And so I'll like break his balls about it. And I'll be like, Dad, I swear to God, if you just ate like this for one month, I promise you you'll never want to go back this. And I'll get it and I'll set my mom mom, this is what you're gonna do. This is the food you're gonna, and then it should be like, well your dad won't eat that and then my dad would be like,

well she won't make it for me and they'll go back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's this argument. And I fucking irritate everybody and then I go to my mom's house and I open the cupboard and I pull out the snacks. I'm like, my why are you buying this? This one has the highest rates of glyphosate. And she's like, but you said that it would be good if it was this and that.

So I got the wrong one again and I'm just busting everybody's balls up. Yeah. Very difficult with your family. I think the best thing is dude is so far I was drinking some of our just the green juice. Like, and I was like hanging out and my parents were coming to pick the kids up. They wanted to take them somewhere. And I'm just sitting in my dad's like, oh, what is that? It's green. Yeah, it's just like, it's green. And he's like, like I was trying to describe to him. Like, well, this would actually be something good for you. You know, like easy, because you don't even eat vegetables

or enough to begin with, because you're like a little kid. You know, and I like called them out. And you get, like, I've never done that. He's my dad, you know? But I'm like, I started, I'm like, I'm like, challenging him, like so hard. I'm like frustrated with it. You know, it's funny. So my best friend, my best friend Justin, his dad is like, I swear to God, I'm like, I'm like, challenging him like so hard. I'm like frustrated with it. You know what's funny?

So my best friend, my best friend Justin, his dad is like, cigarettes, right? He does like a pack of day and, you know, my other buddy, his parents are, you know, overweight. And then I have my mom and her eating habits and stuff. And so I feel like we're all kind of at this age, where so, I mean, I've been in fitness for 16 years plus now, and when I was in my 20s, I didn't really bother them.

Like I was eating kind of whatever I wanted and training working out. But now that I've gotten older, and I realized I got out of immune issues, and I can see the difference in what a low day, high day looks like. I mean, life changes after 30, right? And, but I made that connection right away, like how important, like the food, the exercise,

and everything was, and I feel like they have it because they're still stuck in that, like they think they're good because they don't know what their own body feels like great. And it's just like I wanna show them, like I wanna show you what great feels like, like it's not that hard, you just gotta get, and once you get there, it's not hard to convince you to stay there because you'll always want

to return to that feeling because you've felt how your sleep was, your sex drive was, your hair, your skin, like all of it gets better. And so, yeah. Yeah. And I think all of us probably gave up about 10 years ago. And then why I feel like we're all revisiting it now is, you know, because we know they're getting older. And now it's actually a thought that like, fuck, you know, I know, I know some people that preservation here. There's a lot of people that have died in their early 60s. All their friends like, like, and it's just like,

I'm serious. I'm like, dude, don't you see? Like, like, like, take this seriously, you know, but it's like, you can't like, it's, you know, we should do, you know, we you know we should do what I this this might be the thing here's a here's the problem 100% the hardest people Ever to convince to do anything or the people that know you the most or know you the closest like it's very difficult Yeah for me to sell anything to my parents But I can do it to your parents. So maybe what we should do is like, I actually hang out with your mom and you guys.

And we'll fucking close each other's families because my, dude, I gave him like our fasting guy and all that kind of stuff like a long time ago. I'm just look at it. You know, I'm saying that he passes along his friend, his friend is like raving. Like, wow, this is so great. Life-changing. But oh, wow, he's like getting all these masks like crazy results. My dad's like relaying this. Like, you did a great job.

Like, you guys really put something cool together here. Why aren't you using it, man? Yeah, I mean. And it's like, now when I go to dinner somewhere, people have to make call. I become like the jerk, you know. My mom's like, well, I couldn't get this. I had so I would ever, you're not gonna like with you I'm making and I'm like, all right.

I can see I'm getting out of everybody's nerves. Very difficult thing to do, just the best thing. You should be the beast. The best thing you could possibly do, the only thing that I've ever gotten at work. You can let it through your life, see it. That's it, it's just be the example. And then they will ask you when they're ready,

or they'll start to change how they eat when they're ready And that's it and then the other thing is when you have them over your house feed them the way you want to fucking feed them Like my parents come to my house. Guess what you're gonna eat tonight. Yes, I'm healthy organic low-star And that's up in Katrina and I actually are the same way too like if we're preparing dinner If you're eating with us like we're eating the way we eat, and that's, it is what it is. And we'll even go to the lengths when we actually come over, a lot of times, because, you know, her and I will just bring our food. It's just, we've gotten to the point where it's like,

hey, we're not gonna tell you guys how to eat. That's fine, like that's, it's your life, and I'm definitely not one to say that anymore. Like, we've already gone there, like, you know I'm here, you know I can help you, you know if you have questions, I'll always answer. But if I'm gonna come over and this, and you want us to be all family and eat all the time, like we do that a lot in her family.

I'm like, I can't do that every week. And it be like, you know, garlic bread and pastas and desserts and like, I mean, I love all that shit, but I can't. So you, you, you, I can't, you know, you can't get offended if I decided to bring our dish over here and eat it with you guys because I want to enjoy the family time too. I just, I'm not going to eat this food, you know. Next question is from Jess G. Veggie. Do you believe someone with a poor relationship with food and exercise can ever completely rectify

their issue? Or in your experience, are these issues going to be a lifelong struggle? Is it possible? Yeah, absolutely. It's possible to do a lot of things that people fail to do because they're very difficult. So, when you develop a poor relationship with food and exercise, in reality, it's an image issue with yourself. You've identified with something, you feel a certain way about yourself, and that now

has been connected to exercise and nutrition. And you've developed these, it's like muscle recruitment patterns. You've developed these thinking patterns, the way you see something. The reason why when people go on spiritual quests or do things and have breakthroughs, the breakthrough is usually in something that it's always been in front of them, they just weren't able to see a particular way. Like, I've talked to friends, I'll tell you what, my divorce was one of them.

I mean, while I was in the end of my marriage or the last five years or whatever, I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. After you're out of it, I had the fucking brilliant realization that some of the stuff she was telling me that I was doing wrong was very, very true. It was always in front of me feel about yourself has to change, you almost have to shed your skin. And you know, one of the ways you do this is you change all your habits. If you have a poor relationship to food and you do all this tracking or you have a poor relationship

to exercise and you run five miles every day, shift it completely. You might have to go through a period where you don't track at all and be okay with the fact that you may gain weight or lose weight or whatever because you got to go through that process. Your fear of losing weight or gaining weight, believe it or not, is going to prevent you from breaking these chains in the same thing with exercise. Like, one of the instrumental things I did with changing my relationship to exercise was

when I started doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Before going to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, all my entire focus for my workouts was getting bigger. It was always getting bigger. more size, more muscle. That was it, that was all that was important. I like to be strong and big and that was it. I could care less about anything else. When I started Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in Jiu-Jitsu,

technique is extremely important. Mobility, flexibility is extremely important, so stamina, which are somewhat conflicting with the extreme goals of building muscle. And so when I started doing Jujitsu, I'm a competitive person, I wanted to do well, I enjoyed it. It allowed me to change the focus of my training to the point where I only lifted weights about two days a week, and it was zero muscle building focus.

It was all about improving my Jujitsu, and I did that for about four or five years and that really gave me a different perspective to when I revisited exercise. I think you made it. I had a completely different. Yeah, you make a good point. I see you really need a radical paradigm shifting moment to happen and occur. And I don't necessarily know that I would have the answer for that for each individual, right?

Like that looks so different, like on so many different levels, like of, you know, how you can sort of awaken and, you know, like think differently. Like you have to do something where you completely think differently for you to shift and see new perspective. And I think that these require that because otherwise it will follow you. They'll follow you. It's going to be a constant struggle because you're sort of fighting a game of push pull.

It's pretty cool. Definitely those moments, but also I want to say real quick, it's still a process. You have a moment. Well, that's not yet. I was going to say I think 100 it's a process. You have a moment, you're like, do money and I was gonna say, I think 100% it can rectify the issue. I think it will forever be with you. Right, I think things that have formed us

and shaped us into who we are will always make us. Like I think, you know, you know, Sal and I talk a lot on the show about us both having the insecurity of wanting to be bigger and I think that memory of that feeling is forever with me. And it makes me into the man I am today, but I'm fully aware of that now. And it directs me with what I say

and how I act in the future, right? So I think that somebody who has had major a really bad poor relationship with food for a really long time, like Justin says, I do think that at one point, I think you need some sort of a paradigm shattering moment or something that's happened in your life that really transforms the way you're thinking, whether that be an outside source of somebody influencing you or a scenario that you go through in your life, but something that's transformative and causes you to think differently about You know about your life. I absolutely I think when you're

What in this by the way this transformative moment this moment where you got this kind of like glimpse of clarity Like I need to fix this doesn't have that doesn't mean something has to happen. It can literally be you just sitting there and Then saying yourself like, I got like, twisting on the thought. Yeah, like I need, like this is a big deal and I need to fix this and it also takes action,

whether, you know, whatever it is, it's gonna take action. That's the moment, that's the moment right there. Like the moment for me with the exercise was when I said, fuck, I don't care if I get smaller, I just want to get better at Jitsu. That was it.

That was the big moment where I could finally kind of change my relationship to exercise. It is a process, just like it was a process for you to develop a poor relationship. You didn't instantly have these patterns of eating and patterns of exercise. They were rooted in something, usually in insecurity of some type, or poor self-image or whatever. And, but over time, you developed these patterns where this is what I do. I restrict my food this way, or I track this way,

or when I'm stressed out and anxious, I find comfort in eating these foods, or I overwork out, and I train this particular way, like, you've now developed those patterns, just like when you train your body, it takes a second to identify the pattern and change how you approach them and then develop new patterns.

And that's why it's a process, because I had the realizations and that I need to fix these things, and I'm gonna work on them way before I got to the point where it's become a natural practice. Like I knew I had to fix these things, and I'm gonna work on them, way before I got to the point where it's become a natural practice, like I knew I had to work with food for myself and become more intuitive with my nutrition, but it's been a process of years in the making

to where, you know, and I still think there's more to do, same thing with exercise. So I definitely think, you know, and by the way, studies will show that people that believe they can change do, they do change. People who don't believe that they can change almost never do. And never, nothing ever happens. You have to believe it as well. So the answer this question is, yes, you can rectify this issue. Believe it. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the

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This is a good question. Be sure to do the IGB. This is a good question because I feel like there's a there's a common theme in fitness with this where you know, we we eat all good all week. And then Friday comes along. Trying to make up for it. Right. Yeah. We party hard all night long.

Stay out late. Don't sleep well. Saturday. You wake up. It's the whole earn your calories kind of into. Yeah. And you get into this, you know, kind of punishing yourself for missing the day before. I mean, look at that angle.

Yeah, so I see I at least personally, this is a my experience. So maybe the boys have a different one. I used to see clients do this a lot, you know, and I'd have to stop them from doing this because they would be like, oh, I didn't I didn't get my workout in. Yes, I was supposed to someone to run, you know, five miles a day or do, I'm going to do this or I did, I skipped breakfast and I did that, you know, it's like they start to almost punish themselves from what happened the day before. And I think getting people to understand that, you know, a single workout, the amount of fat or muscle that's built in that single one workout is so,

so tiny and minimal that it's not even worth stressing. And then all that extra punishment is getting, like, cause and effect the next workout. You're going to have, you know, not that great of a workout if you're like overly sore and you've overly worked your muscles. No, if you're pretty consistent with your workouts, you know, your workout four days a week and oh, I missed one, trying to make up for it with the next workout by either making it harder or longer, not only won't make up for it, but it will probably be a detriment because now, like Justin is saying, you've applied more volume and more

intensity, probably more than your body would need at that particular moment. It's not like you can't add them all up. I can't say I have 10 points to earn and then so I can do them all in one workout and it's going to be the same thing. It doesn't really work like that with exercise. Not only that on that point, this is also how I advise somebody who's getting back in the routine because how many people fall off for five or seven days or fall off for 14 days or fall off for 27 days, the further you fall off or that you have not been back

to the gym, the less intense the workouts. Yeah, and you got to start a couple steps back. Right. In fact, even missing one workout will affect you a little bit. And so having that extra hard workout is not a good idea. And lastly, sometimes, many times, actually most times, missing one workout if you're normally very consistent, might be a good thing.

Yeah, more often than that. A lot of times people get back in the gym, get back to work now. Right, that's where you would find a solution. I think that's where our advice would be different on each person, right? Like if I'm talking to somebody who I know is consistent all the time, like they follow it to a tee,

they're four days a week and they just want to know, like, hey, I missed Monday, you know, what should I do now when I go in on Wednesday because I missed that workout. Well, if you're consistent with four days a week all the time, don't worry about it. I mean, that was probably good. It was probably better for you as the advice I give. Now, this is somebody who can't seem to get consistent and they haven't strung two weeks in a row of working out consistently and they now missed another day and now in a row of working out consistently and they now missed another day and now they're wondering, well, should I do extra hard? Because I missed a day. Well, no, again, your volume of training shouldn't even be that

high. And the further and the more days you have missed, the less intense the return workout should look like, which is the opposite. I think that most people approach it is, it's, you know, day one, I'm motivated. Right. I'm motivated. We have a approach it is, it's day one, I'm motivated. I'm not a smash car. Right, I'm motivated and we get back. Well, if it's day fucking one, and you haven't been in the gym for 27 days, it's gonna hurt that much. Yeah, it's like, go do your own picking.

Go do one set of everything and get the fuck out of there because everything you do is in a new signal because you have been sending that signal for the last 27 days. I'm trying to find an analogy for this, but I feel like it's almost like pouring water, and letting it gradually float and rise the level versus like, I'm trying to go for this sort of graph that's like, well, if it's this, I need to ramp up and everything's

ramping up up up. You know, it's like, it's going to take a while for everything to kind of settle. You have to like, just be consistent with it, right? Is that work? No. I was like, I was like, I'm trying to picture this. Damn it. I feel like it was working.

I was trying, I was like, fuck, how do I put this? A ramp and water. No. God, I'm really bad at analogies. It reminds me of like the gasoline one that I was trying to put down. Oh, that went down. That's my favorite. I wish you would do that more. Like, I bet that's not what works. I wish it was. Shit. Because it's fun time, that's my favorite. That's what I was doing. I wish you would do that more. Like, I messed up on the words, I wish,

because it's fun for you guys to give it to us. I do like the angle that you went with this, Adam, no, no, not Justin. Thanks, I don't know what to look at. I like the angle that you went at him about punishing yourself because I didn't even think about that. This is, this, if you do this a lot,

it actually sets the stage up for a bad relationship to exercise, where I miss one, and I have to, and I punish myself with a hard to work out the next time. This is what I experienced. That's what's common. In my experience, this is what was common. Yeah, so, and this person could totally not be that person,

but I had many, many clients that would do this. I mean, if we're being completely honest, we've said this before on the show that, you know, 20% of the people actually are successful, even the ones that hired great trainers like ourselves. Like just, it requires follow through an execution on their part and a lot of people don't do that. They fall off all the time and they get into

these terrible routines and habits and this was a popular habit that I would see clients do or is they're very inconsistent. And then they're on and then they're hammering themselves. And then they're off and then they're hammering themselves. And it's like constantly, I'm punishing myself because I miss my hand on an off wagon. Right, I miss my workout the other day.

No wagon, it's like, yeah. There we go. That was it right there. That was an out of the makeup for that. There is no honor on a wagon. There is no wagon. Oh my God. I said there it is. There is no honor. There is no wagon. There is no wagon. Oh my god There's your moment there it is. Check this out go to YouTube mind pump TV Subscribe to the channel because I told you so also if you go to mind pump media.com

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