Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 604: Best Anabolic Foods, Dangers of Stevia, Mark Sisson's Caloric Recommendation & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, in the beginning, in our intro, which lasts about, I don't know, 20 minutes or so, we talk about Adam's wedding. Pretty much just to plug myself in my first place. It's Sacramento show. He did.

Starting point is 00:00:26 We talk about Dick. We talk about my kid and how he locked his phone. It would not open it for me or his mom. He's 12. We talked about parenting. We talked about burn barrels. The hell is that? Find out in this episode.

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Starting point is 00:03:48 So you can have a bonfire. So it's a safer way to have bonfires. It's still rogue's like, hey, we're gonna get into like a culture thing with CrossFit or something. We're gonna get into the business of it. Well, that's what I'm wondering. I wonder if this has become a popular thing in CrossFit.

Starting point is 00:04:01 This is where I'm too disconnected from CrossFit to know it's the way to burn fat. Yeah, burning in a barrel. Shared in a burning barrel. Burning in a barrel. Let yourself on fire. No, maybe that's for like obstacle course racing. Jump over or something.

Starting point is 00:04:13 No, it's not like that at all. It's literally a burn barrel. I'm on the website. I'm looking at the... Oh, it's on the website. I was looking at the Instagram. I don't see it. Yeah, it's like it's $300, $295.

Starting point is 00:04:25 It's... Is that a good price for a burn barrel? Do you guys know what they're... No, I do, I don't even know, I don't even know the existed. You know, I haven't been burn barrel shopping lately, so I don't know what the market norm is. I do know that this is really weird to me. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:43 It doesn't make any sense. Or does it? Is there something that Rogue knows? I felt like the X-Files song should have started right there. T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T You can buy burn barrels for expensive ones, $448, some are as cheap as $40, but it just looks like a garbage can with holes in it, $200 for this one. So I think they're right in the middle.

Starting point is 00:05:14 For prices. For business. Have it soon. Where do you find it? You have some Amazon. I want an Amazon. No, no, no, no. Where did I find it?

Starting point is 00:05:21 No, somebody's on our feet. In our feed. No, no, that's on our feed. Go to your mind pump feed no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, What does it say here? And sensitive documents. Does it really say that? Yeah, does it really say that? Yeah. Oh no, this is not rogue. This is a different one. No, this is, okay, rogue supply 11 gate steel burn barrel

Starting point is 00:05:54 gives you the ability to set up a fully functional backyard fire pit without the cost and complexity of landscaping project. This simple design inspired by the popular use of the old tractor tires as fire pit liners. Oh, measures 30 inches in diameter with a laser cut ventilation slots throughout the 16 inch high paneling. At a weight of less than 50 pounds, each burn barrel is uniquely portable so you can take, we just gave them a commercial. Yeah, we should, we should call them up and get some commission.

Starting point is 00:06:20 Rogue, you owe some money. I don't know, though. I don't know if it's a great, like, that is so weird. Weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there, now maybe right now, is there something going on that's becoming popular of like, maybe going into beaches and going cross foot on the beach and there's like a competition like that?

Starting point is 00:06:37 Some parties surrounding that. I don't know. Yeah. Is that, like, I know that after, after wads, it's kind of like a thing to drink beer afterwards. You know your wad, you drink some beer. So I think that's a thing. Is there a thing now to do a bun, fire, and drink beer afterwards or something, and maybe they're promoting that?

Starting point is 00:06:55 I don't know, but it sounds cool. I mean, because I don't know about you guys, but I kind of want to do that. I want to work out and then make a fire and then drink. Let's do that. That sounds to me like a great idea. It does. You know what I mean? Thank you, Rogue. Yeah. You know, that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. I'm doing a barrel-ordered. What I appreciate and what I like about it is this is that I don't have a fucking clue, but what it could be an example of, which is something mind-pump would totally do, is just recognize a need somewhere in business and say, hey, we have an audience.

Starting point is 00:07:30 I'm sure there's enough. I'm sure the million mind pump bond. I'm sure there's a pill. I'm sure that's money. Right. At the million million listens in a month, I'm sure at least 1000 of them like to sit by bonfires, right? Like I think maybe there's a little bit more logic behind this than we're giving it. Like I'm pump vape pens. And I mean, they do present the idea that it's common, I guess, to flip tractor tires and burn inside tractor. I don't know, that does not sound like a good idea. It doesn't sound, yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Don't they catch fire? It's just so healthy. Don't tires aren't tires highly flammable? Yeah, I didn't know that people... I think of it. Heat up enough, Yeah, I'm sure Maybe tractor tires are different because it's that's what it's toxic. That's what it is It's instead of you know the popular use of old tractor tires as fire pit liners. Hmm. I didn't know that

Starting point is 00:08:18 I didn't know that so dude. I got a hilarious story for you guys. Okay, so I get a call Start it like that because then it'll never live up to it. So I have a story. It will help you. Now everyone's like on edge. I have a really this better be having a really boring story. There you go. So I get a call yesterday from my ex and she calls me up and she goes, your son locked his phone and you won't open it for me. You won't unlock it. So I saw my son's 12, right? So I'm like, oh fuck, I'm like, what happened?

Starting point is 00:08:52 She's like, well, he was on it, and I walk over to see what he's doing and he locks it. And then I tell him to give me the passcode and you won't give me the passcode. And he refuses to open his phone. So I'm like, what's he doing, right? Okay, he's in seventh grade. Now I remember me when I was in seventh grade.

Starting point is 00:09:08 So I'm like, hmm, I'm sure I think I know what's in there. So I get on the phone with them. I'm like, let me talk to them. So I'm like, listen son, I said, I know you're probably embarrassed or whatever about whatever's on your phone. I said, the fact that you're making this big of a deal about it and not opening it,

Starting point is 00:09:26 now is making us more worried. And I make it worse. Yeah, it makes it a lot worse. So just open your phone and it'll be cool. And he's like, no, I don't want to. I'm not going to, I don't care. I'm like, you do realize you'll never have an electronic for the rest of your life until you do this.

Starting point is 00:09:40 I know, like, tronical toy. And yeah, I think that'll be cool. I can't get it. And no more electronicals for you, so I, that's what I would say. But don't like tronical toy. And yeah, I think that I can't get it like tronical. And no more like tronicals for you, so I, that's what I would say. But he's like refusing. So I'm talking about understanding. We're cutting all the electronics off right now.

Starting point is 00:09:52 He's like fine. He's trying to word. He's like, you cut all the electronics off. I don't own any of those. So I'm like, listen, I'm like, if you don't unlock it, I said, I have friends who can unlock it for me and I'll find out what's on them.

Starting point is 00:10:04 And then you're gonna be in big trouble. So we're going back and forth. Now, I went to, my son goes to different school than I did. He's, it's much more like nice kids, a little bit more sheltered. I went to a gangster-ass school. I was exposed a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:10:19 And I've experienced this with my kids in the past where they're really freaked out about something and then I end up finding out what it is. And it's like nothing. Dude, when he was in third grade, he came home from school and he was all distraught because somebody said a bad word. He would not tell us what it was. Finally I pulled it out of him that it started with a letter S. So I'm like, S, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:10:40 shit, do they say shit? Like, what was it? So finally I asked him, like, and I got him to tell me what it was. Someone said stupid, okay? So this is, so remember the context. So he's freaked out, doesn't want us to see it. Finally I convinced him to unlock his phone. He's been messaging his friends back and forth

Starting point is 00:10:55 and they cuss, they cuss on the fucking text. And he's all worried because he says he's on the f-word. Yeah, he says the f-word on the freaking text. He can be real dismal and I'm like dude I'm like you're not gonna be in trouble now how did this work now? Okay, cuz I'm thinking in my head like why didn't he just Unlock it clear it real quick and then give it to his mom But is she did she compensate it? Oh, no, no, no, she went full woman style like if you know what for woman things You got some show on your phone. Give me that phone not leaving her site. Give it. She's not stupid. No, no, no

Starting point is 00:11:24 No, she had the, no, no. She had the phone in her hand and she's like, we're gonna open it right in front of me. Cause I'm sure he thought, you know. So he's just dropping a bunch of F-bombs. I'm like, so I told him, I said, listen, dude, I said, I know when I was your age, I used to class all the time, too. I thought it was super cool.

Starting point is 00:11:37 It's not as cool as you think. Just don't listen to my podcast. Yeah. It made me a career, but you know, whatever. But I said, listen, you talk like that with your friends. That's fine. Just don't talk like that in front of adults He made me a career, but whatever. But I said, listen, you talk like that with your friends, that's fine, just don't talk like that in front of adults, in front of your sister,

Starting point is 00:11:50 or whatever, don't disrespect your friends. If there was a place to do it, it would be via text with your friend on the phone. But we were all worried knowing that I opened up some crazy shit. I thought he just had some naked pictures, man. That's why I thought sharing pictures with his buddy, like, no, naked jikers, a boob, I found it.

Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah, it was dope. It was buddy like no I'll make a jigger the boob. I found it It was basically like you know like I hate this fucking game or this fucking god cheated or stupid shit like that It wasn't even bad cut that's beating shit. You know, I mean he's real shit You know, so I feel like do I make a big deal about it? So he doesn't push it even further You know, I can't believe you said a bad word. Yeah 10 lashes But no, that was all that you said a bad word. Yes, I'm 10 lashes. 10 lashes. But no, that was almost. You know, that has a way behind me when I was at age.

Starting point is 00:12:28 How does that, how far you're fruit? How fast is that process for you when you, when that happens, when you're dealing with that, right? You get on the phone and in your head, I know a million things are going through your head, like, okay, could it be this, could be that, could be this, could be this. And then when you find out what it is,

Starting point is 00:12:43 is there a moment where you go like, okay, should I act mad about this or should I just let it blow over? You know, I want, here's the big thing that I've realized when I was a kid, is that because I had pretty strict parents. We didn't talk a lot about, and there were certain topics we didn't talk about, like we didn't talk about sex ever. My sex education was literally the dirty jokes that my dad's workers would tell me

Starting point is 00:13:08 when I would go to work with my dad and he was like, that was the shit, that's how I learned about shit, is they'd tell me these dirty jokes and the dirty magazine that I found. But nobody talked about sex, we didn't talk about drugs, we didn't talk about any of this stuff, masturbation and stuff. So it was very taboo, very strict,

Starting point is 00:13:23 and so it doesn't mean you're not going to do it, you're just going to hide, you're not going to talk to your parents about it, and then you're going to have all these like fears around and all this weird stuff, right? I'd rather have my kids tell me the horrible shit that happens, and be honest with me, and then handle it, you know, take it from there, and is he going to get in trouble for cussing? No, if he's stupid and he cusses in front of his teachers, well yeah, you're in trouble now, you're in it, you don't get cussing? No, if he's stupid and he cusses in front of his teachers, well, yeah, you're in trouble now. You don't need to test him for it.

Starting point is 00:13:47 But you're doing your buddies, you know? You know, when you're just back and forth, because this reminds me of this one time. So like, you know, my two boys were just kind of like wrapping back and forth off of like, they're just like playing around with words and stuff. And like, there's a duck, you know, and so they're like throwing different words.

Starting point is 00:14:06 No, truck in this one, and I'm like, oh no. It's through, you know? And there comes, because the first one that comes to your head is fuck. Yeah, the young guy, he's just like, you haven't had a fuck, you know this? And then they kept going and then like, Ethan kind of froze, like,

Starting point is 00:14:19 because I think he knew it was a bad word. And I looked at, you know, and I was like, I just like, I pretend I didn't hear it. And I was like, wait for them to keep going through the words and then like set it again and I had to be like, okay, so there's like words that we don't use. That's one of them, you know, until you get your own podcast. That exact thing happened. How do you say that as parents?

Starting point is 00:14:40 Like, you guys can't use that until you have your own podcast and then you could do whatever you want. No, my age, you know, yeah that exact thing happened with my daughter Like a few days ago too. She was rhyming words and she said dick. Oh my god Yeah, and so but I didn't say any of my son gave it away Which did she say dick dick coming out of your daughter's mouth is worse than fuck coming out of your son Yeah, that's not it you can write your son says fuck your like son. sound that sounded terrible. You can, like, right, your son says fuck, you're like, son, hey, keep that in tags. Don't sit around your mom.

Starting point is 00:15:07 Your daughter says dick, it's like, come here. You be a talk right now. No, no, she was rhyming words and she's A, and she said out of your mouth. She said, she said dick and my son gave it away. He starts cracking up and he's like, you said dick and he's left. And I'm looking at my son like,

Starting point is 00:15:23 dude, don't give it away. So she's like, why, what does that mean? Oh my gosh. Like, what's wrong with that? She didn't even know what it meant. No, no, she was just rhyming. Dude, the innocence is, you got to keep it in perspective. Yeah, but I had to tell her because he made a big deal about it. So I'm like, it means penis. She's like dick means penis. I was like, yes, don't say it now forever. She'll like, oh, yeah. I think I throw that random. Oh, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:15:43 Now the other day, she's the other day. She said, she said, I don't want what she said. She's like, and you got kicked in the dick and I said, yeah, and I said, listen, I said, just keep using penis if you're going to talk about that area. Yeah, eight year old girl. I'm going to kick you in the dick. Think about how intimidated you would be if some girls said that to you in the playground I'm like, oh no keep it up Justin. I'm like kick you in your dick. Whoa Stay away from this. I just learned about my dick last one You're gonna kick it Who's that hurts? Yeah, she's crazy. Yeah, no, it's funny. Do it kids man the shit that they do I went and watched us

Starting point is 00:16:23 So we were out. Katrina night took off to Sacramento. My, that's right. That's what I was. That's what you did. My cousin, my cousin got married out there. It's what he's saying. It's a beautiful place called the Firehouse in Old Town,

Starting point is 00:16:38 Sack, what a beautiful restaurant and venue to get married at. It was absolutely gorgeous. And we went in state, so we went up at the day before because they were doing like a rehearsal, kind of dinner barbecue at the family. It was totally low key where all the family, friends, everybody could come to the house.

Starting point is 00:16:54 Forresto East decided instead of driving up the day before staying there that we would stay at one of our favorite hotels over there. And there's not too far from Old Town, Old Town Sack, whatever they call it, is the West End and it's right, it's right, it's right, it's right, I don't know if that's what they call it, bro. The Old Sack. They, just try and help.

Starting point is 00:17:18 They've got, the West End has a beautiful hotel right there on the river that we stayed at when I competed at the Sacramento show, my show that I took first. So there's of course good feelings. A long, long way for you to tell everybody you took first. Dancer. Well, he said, I didn't, that's the end of the story. Yeah. Isn't that great? Isn't that great, guys?

Starting point is 00:17:42 Isn't that great? Yeah. Well, there was, there was sometimes we didn't take any place at all and then I stayed in sack. So there was a show there that I didn't place at all. Who got married? My cousin, I said my cousin Johnny. How does he? He is 25 and he is the young. Well, he's only other male shaffer right now. So he's there's he's carrying the name on. So he's also need to hurry up and make some right, right? Just in case I don't. So and you know, there was that in the back of my head like listen, there's only a couple of us male shafers left on the side of the

Starting point is 00:18:12 family. And so I almost felt obligated to have a child for that exact reason. But now I feel comfortable because he's 25. He's already getting married to a young, beautiful 23 year old Juliet. So the chances of them having kids are probably much greater than me having anytime soon. So the shaper name will live on Where you in the wedding or you just the tension. No, no, no, I was just attending He had most of his his buddies and we weren't so I do this is my uncle who this is my father who died when I was seven. It's his brother This is my father who died when I was seven. It's his brother that I really didn't get as connected to him until almost 30.

Starting point is 00:18:50 So we've become really tight in the last, you know, eight years or so. You but before that, I really didn't see him that much. So Johnny, my cousin who's 25, I really wasn't in his life that much until most recently. So most recently I've been seeing them and spending a lot of time with them, but before that we weren't that close.

Starting point is 00:19:11 Did they live up there? Yeah, they lived. Is he got like a job and he's done with school doing his thing now? Yeah, he works, he's really into brewing and wine. He's a major wine and alcohol guy, so like he's all into, he's working for some brewing company, I think right now. That's kind of like where his passion is.

Starting point is 00:19:31 So he's like my other brother-in-law who's their hardcore into IPAs and they, you could sit there and talk to each other. Like everything had like wine or beer type decorations for all the stuff on the tables and everything. It was pretty cool. It was done really, really well. And I've never been to the firehouse. So if you're ever in old sack, that's a really cool restaurant to check out. Just absolutely beautiful.

Starting point is 00:19:54 And the food was amazing. But yeah, that was a good time. We had a good time out. You guys like weddings? I, you know, it depends if it's one of your buddies, like your real good friends or something. I hate going to like, you know, my wife's friends' weddings, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:11 I don't know anybody. Have you been to a lot of names? I've been to a lot of names. Oh, I've been to so many good names. Sometimes I like it. Like, you know, it's nice to kind of, you know, it's always a good energy there, you know. Right, it's exactly, I think for those reasons,

Starting point is 00:20:23 I'm with Justin that it's positive. Like, I know my girl likes him, so know my girl likes him, so for those reasons, this is my side of the family. And I like ones that are like this. It was very fun. Even though it was formal, it didn't feel that way. Some weddings, I don't know if you've ever been to a Catholic wedding or not. I've been to a couple Catholic weddings in my life. Not everybody has, even if you've ever been to a Catholic wedding or not, I've been to a couple Catholic weddings in my life. Right, right. Not everybody has, even if you are technically Catholics, I'll be 11, but you've never been to one. They're three hours long and you're standing and sitting and standing and sitting and it's like super formal and super rough to go to.

Starting point is 00:21:00 So it wasn't like that, you know. So I really call it when it's after the ceremony or like reception. Yeah, that's the only part that I can show up for the match. I don't go to that part. God, I'm not up an excuse and I show up later. I don't like weddings because I don't like dressing up. That's not fun.

Starting point is 00:21:15 Then I'm not a big, like I could care less about dancing, let alone dancing with a bunch of relatives. And you basically drink, there's really nothing much to, you know, and the food really at weddings isn't that great. Usually. Well, that's all great things. I think these are the things, some way I've been to a lot, right?

Starting point is 00:21:31 I've seen little things that I like. It looked like Larry, actually one of the coolest parts that Larry's wedding, his first wedding. And I thought was awesome. And I haven't seen anybody top it yet. They did such a cool video of talking to all the best friends and the parents and the families of both sides and they made this super awesome hype video.

Starting point is 00:21:52 So if you were somebody, and this is what I think what is lame for weddings is that a lot of times you're at a wedding and it's what you're paying your respect for that person, but really, you don't know that relationship that well. Let's be honest, I know my cousin well, and even that, I didn't get to sit in that much time, but, and I know Julia, because I've been around her

Starting point is 00:22:12 a couple of times, but I really don't know them as a couple, right? So, Larry's, it was so cool to watch this video before the whole wedding happened, or it was right after the ceremony, and I thought it was, I think everybody should do something like this for the guests, because it gives you this storyline

Starting point is 00:22:31 and you get to really kind of understand it, tell the story of each of them individually growing up and their family and their kids, and then it's like them together in their relationship. And I feel like, oh, I really feel like I know them now, more than before, because most of the time at a wedding, you have people that are representing the groom, people that are representing the bride

Starting point is 00:22:47 and we're all here to celebrate their, oh my God, how is the best man's speech? Because I've been through some really painful ones so it wasn't bad, but it wasn't really, it wasn't one of the better ones either. Like it's a best, I mean, I've done four, right? So there, and I've had ones that were, I thought that I did that were really weak and then I've done four, right? So there, and I've had ones that were, I thought that I did that were really weak.

Starting point is 00:23:07 And then I've done ones where I thought were really powerful and really good and really heartfelt. I thought that they were heartfelt, like a lot of people cried, like not a lot of people listen, they cried while they were giving it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:19 Everybody had to, it's easy to move. Everybody was reading off of a piece of paper. So it wasn't, but what his best man did do, was really cool is best man can play the guitar and sing really well. And so he played and and sung the, God what song is that? I know this song. I think it's a Jimmy Buffett song for I don't want to be a player no more. Yeah. I think it's big. And the road. I think that's big. He played that for their first dance. So I think that's big. And in the road. I think that's big. Yeah. And in G. He played that for their first dance. So I thought that was pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:23:48 That was what was neat. I think this venue was my favorite part. I mean, this place was just absolutely beautiful. Well, the best speech I ever saw to wedding was my sister's father-in-law. So everybody was giving speeches, and they all start out by saying, I want to thank this person. I want to thank that person.

Starting point is 00:24:04 I want to thank this person. And so he thank that person, I want to thank this person. And so he gets up and so he continues the speech, he starts the speech in the same fashion. And he goes, I'd like to thank this person, think that person, he goes, but I'd especially like to thank the following. He goes, American Express, Visa, Master of Arts, all the people he's thinking for paying for the wedding. It was pretty funny. Yeah, that is fun. Yeah, it was good times. Yeah, I've seen something that are pretty, that's what I like when they do like a roast.

Starting point is 00:24:30 I love when someone gets out there and kind of my favorite. Right, if you have somebody who does like a real inside information on it, you just like put them totally on blast. We were just out of wedding. That's my brother. Katrina and I were just out of wedding that one of her coworkers got married.

Starting point is 00:24:43 And the guy, the best man came up, it was his brother. And his brother, it was his older brother, gave his younger brother just the most ultimate roast. I mean, I had never met this guy before, and I felt like it totally knew him after that roast because it was so great. So I like shit like that. I like when you get somebody gets up there

Starting point is 00:25:02 and can just rip into somebody they've known for their whole life. But I mean, you did a tasteful too. It's not like it's hurtful or embarrassing if it's funny, you know? You know, something I wanted to ask the audience is just as a favor because we've been putting a lot of energy and focus right now on the YouTube channel and then the Facebook page. So if you haven't been over to the Mind Pump Facebook page, and then I'm not talking about the private forum, just the free page that everybody has access to, we're really trying to put a lot of focus there. And so something that would help us out a ton,

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Starting point is 00:26:53 but the problem when you say something like you said advanced age, right? Like advanced age or the total novice is that more more than likely the first time somebody gets down in a squat, it's pretty fucking ugly. And so just telling somebody like movements like the squat, the deadlift overhead press, let's just pick that these, let's just say we agree that these are three of the best movements you could teach someone to do. The likelihood of them performing them correctly with just you teaching them one time is not very high. So, yeah. I think it's the goal of getting them to be able to work

Starting point is 00:27:29 towards these primal patterns, right? So, if you think of it, because as reading this question, it's really tough to make a general statement of like, well, just squat, just push up, just overhead press, or whatever it is. It's so individualized in case by case. The assessment process is really, really important as a trainer to dive deeper into where you

Starting point is 00:27:58 can sort of fit in the best protocol, the best exercises that will benefit them right now and build them up towards these goals that we want. Well, I think every trainer should aspire to get to get their clients to be able to squat, deadlift, overhead press and bench press. I think that should be an end of with a barbell. I think that should be the ultimate goal is to get their client to be able to perform each of those movements mechanically, right?

Starting point is 00:28:27 Now, more than likely, they're not gonna be able to do most if not all of those movements when you start, and this is what will really stretch you as a trainer is to learn why, why, and this is where every case is going to be different. Like, why can't Susie do the overhead press and why can't Mike squat? And why is she compensating so much?

Starting point is 00:28:48 You know in this. And then diving into what is limiting them, instead of doing what I'll be the first to admit, I was like as a trainer in early years, which is, oh, we just won't do that. We'll do something they can do. Like, oh, you can't squat because it bothers you back. Let's go leg press and leg extension.

Starting point is 00:29:04 And in my head, the logic was, I'm helping them because they're still working muscles out. They're still burning calories. They're still exercising. And that's what they're paying me here for. But in reality, the better, the older, the more advanced trainer of me would say, okay, I, she can't squat because they're back hurts.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Let's figure out why her back hurts. And let's get to the bottom of it. And then let's start to teach her these movements that are gonna why her back hurts and let's get to the bottom of it and then let's start to teach her These movements that are gonna eliminate her back from hurting while she does But she's performing squats because more than likely it's not a a structural issue as much as is a mechanical issue And why is why is her mechanics failing when she does to do it? She goes to do a squat and then learning how to fix that so here's some Here's a typical breakdown or how I start.

Starting point is 00:29:48 Individuals very dramatically. So I'm giving you a super general, like how I'd start. People in this category, you know, advanced to age or novice or, you know, dysfunction in terms of their, you know, their movement and their body. So if I take an older person, I'm training them, typically, the way I start them off, one of the first exercises I have them do is I have them practice slowly sitting back and sitting down on a bench.

Starting point is 00:30:15 So they do a full sit and then stand up and that's their squat. And so that's what we practice. That's one of the first exercises that I do with most people. Most people can do that to some extent. Now, if they're really deconditioned, if I'm training like an 80 year old and even that is too difficult, then I'll give them a stick to hold with both hands. So they have two sticks and they can assist themselves coming up and down. And as they get stronger, remove the sticks. And it's just really controlling the descent and standing back up and that's how we practice getting to a squat.

Starting point is 00:30:46 Then the second progression from that isn't a squat, it's actually a lunge, but the way I do it is I have a bar set up or something stable set up to where they'll hold it with one hand. Then they'll get into a split stance, like they're gonna do a lunge, and I'll have them go down and come back up and we'll play with varying degrees

Starting point is 00:31:05 of depth. So many times we start off with a quarter depth and then we work on going all the way down. And believe it or not, I do that before I progress them to just the standing squat. A standing squat, it actually takes a while to get people there when you're working with someone who's deconditioned or someone who's older.

Starting point is 00:31:24 As far as overhead press is concerned, nine at a ten times, if I train somebody in advance age, they will not be able to do a good, complete overhead extension with their arms without weight, let alone with weight. I mean, they can reach up above their head, but they can't fully extend with their arms. They're not able to retract the scapula. The arms aren't able to get besides their ears, so they're kind of doing this real strong arch on their back and their elbows are bent. So before I even practice that, what I'll do is I'll have them work on rows, band rows or cable rows to strengthen their ability to bring their shoulders back and down.

Starting point is 00:32:02 Then the next step before I do an overhead press is I'll actually have them hold onto a lap pull down bar so that it's providing resistance up so that they're having to pull it down. Don't have them pull it down. All I'm doing is I'm having the bar. Sometimes I don't even use a lap pull down bar. Sometimes I'll use a stick and just pull up with my arms. But what it's doing is it's pulling their arms up into the overhead position and then I'll have them pull down a little bit without bending their elbows. Now they're resisting on the

Starting point is 00:32:31 way down. Then I'll have them push up against that bar as if they're helping it and then I'll slowly take the bar out of their hand and see if they can hold their arms in that straight, strong overhead position because a lot of it, before we can work on good, fundamental strength, I have to get them connected to that position. And to get them connected to that position, one of the best ways to do it is to put them in that position, if possible. So I get their arms fully extended, and then I have them connect to it, and then I release my help and see if they can hold themselves there.

Starting point is 00:33:06 Many times, their hands will start to drop as they start to release their hands and we'll start practicing there. But over time, they're able to hold our arms above their head and then slowly progress them to the overhead. There's mainly the overall function of each joint. I mean, you got to test the quality and the range of motion and what you have to work with, right? So like a lot of times hip-hing is where we need to start, right? You know, most people don't even understand the difference between hip-hing and squatting because they just kind of fall into that position versus

Starting point is 00:33:37 actively, you know, connect to that and push their way through it like a stretch. So, you know, there's a lot of what Sal's talking about. We prep the person and we prime them into connecting to those types of movements and what the joint should be able to function and what it should be able to produce movement-wise. And so placing them into the proper positions is very crucial. And then what I even do with that is very similar is just to get them to squeeze and

Starting point is 00:34:10 isometrically contract. And what does that feel like? And what should you be feeling? So, now. So, Dr. Brink actually shared a very fascinating article in the forum. I don't know if you guys saw it on the squat. And he made an interesting post. And it makes the case that, because a lot of times when we get clients or patients or whatever, if you're a doctor, or a movement specialist that have patients, but people will come in.

Starting point is 00:34:35 And one of the first things we do is we try to work on their, their gate. That's like the most fundamental thing. Oh, I saw this post. Fast enough. What we should be looking at is like, we're progressing all the way back down to being able to. Well, we think of a squat as being a progression

Starting point is 00:34:50 from being able to walk. Right, right. But the reality is, it's actually the squat is the, is far more fundamental because if you look at when we learn these things as babies, babies learn how to squat or sit in a squat before they learn how to walk. It's just like learning how to crawl, right?

Starting point is 00:35:08 In fact, if we take an older person with some dysfunction and even told them to crawl on the floor, they'd probably have more trouble crawling than they would walking. And it's not because it's more difficult, it's because we've literally forgot how to do this shit because we stopped doing it. It's something that we just stopped doing and we've forgot how to do it. So the good news is you can relearn how to do this. The key with any novice, I don't care what age or what level of function is to meet them where they are at and to train them just a little bit over that. That's it. Doesn't matter where they're at, you'd meet them just a little, and you don't want it. It doesn't matter where they're at, you'd meet them just a little...

Starting point is 00:35:45 And you don't want to overwhelm them either. And it can look like basic, super-based. I've had clients in the gym where I would blow up a balloon and I'm just popping the balloon to them and all they're doing is they're reaching and hitting the balloon because that's where they're at. That's more than they're used to doing and that's going to get... Well, this is exactly why we created Maps Prime and Maps Prime Pro was for a question just like this, right? We know that there's a lot of trainers out there that think about this exact question and have these types of clients all the time and

Starting point is 00:36:16 In reality a lot of people can't perform all those major lifts But instead of just being okay with that and moving on to a different exercise that they can do, the idea is to give you the tools to help you figure out why they can't do that move it. Why can't she do this? And that's why within the prime, and prime pro, there's these tests to check the range of motion for each joint.

Starting point is 00:36:40 And if they fail, then there's movements to help that. And so that's the way you look at this. Okay, my goal is squat, deadlift, overhead press and bench press. These are my big movers, right? These are my big main movers, and that is a solid, solid foundation for anybody. Now, the reality is that a lot of those movements, they won't be able to do or they'll have limited range of motion, whatever. So don't neglect the movement, challenge yourself

Starting point is 00:37:09 to figure out what it is that's limiting them. It's only gonna make you a better trainer. We're doing the best that we can to provide all the tools via YouTube or programs to help answer all these questions. Quick commercial break, hey, people ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump. Here's what you can do.

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Starting point is 00:38:11 even though the science says your calories are going to be too low. Okay. I know why he says this. Yeah. I get what he's saying too. This is actually an interesting debate. And I feel like I can argue it either way. Well, I mean, an interesting debate and I feel like I can argue it either way. Well, I mean, for longevity, I mean, technically, he's right. For longevity, for longevity based off of the studies, if you were to look at somebody who eats at certain low of calories versus versus somebody who eats an excessive amount of calories, all the science points to this, all the science points to accelerated science of aging with the more food that you consume in particular, the more protein and more carbohydrates that you consume, or know, health, that kind of stuff. And then this, you know, which are also objective.

Starting point is 00:39:05 And then also the, the shortening of the telomeres, which, which now are very strongly connected to how old your DNA is, in terms of, you know, the short of the hour, the older your DNA is, and the more likely it is to mutate. And they do, this shows, shows up in animal studies and in human studies where the less you consume and the less you can consume, the better for longevity. But, you know, here's the thing with that.

Starting point is 00:39:34 There's the whole, live longer thing and then there's the whole live better thing. And there's a balance between the two. Like, will I live longer if I don't eat the cake at my kids' birthday party? You know, technically, probably, I don't think there's any real benefit to it. But I mean, what kind of, I mean, do I wanna do that?

Starting point is 00:39:56 I mean, I'm celebrating my kids' birthday. He's only gonna turn five, you know, once in his life and it's a cake and we're enjoying this wonderful time together. I mean, there's kind of a balance there. And there's also this, like let's not, let's also consider the studies that show that quality of life and enjoyment of life and the connections we have with people is also strongly connected to longevity.

Starting point is 00:40:15 And if you eat localers because you like to eat that way in your health conscious, but you enjoy your life, that's fine. If you're a fanatic and you're, and you're orthorexic with your diet, and you're eating localers, because this is the way I have to eat, and I want to live a long time, and you're super anal about everything, and you fucking hate your life,

Starting point is 00:40:34 and you're not connecting with people, is that gonna, what about the negative effects of the connections, and the fact that you hate your life? I don't, you know, you're probably not gonna live as long now, because you've got those two. I want to say that I think we agree for the most part on this, right? I think for the most part we agree on this, but I think that's kind of obvious, right? Because most, what you would compare to is the opposite or the other extreme, which is

Starting point is 00:40:56 over consumption of all this shit and like, no, yeah, no shit. That is not ideal for it. This is why I would challenge that thought, though. So even though I agree with it, how I would challenge it is this, there has to be, and there is no, I guarantee there's no studies that show this because this would be really tough for us to figure out.

Starting point is 00:41:14 But what about all the micronutrients? And what is the optimal amount of all these different micronutrients that my individual body should be taking? And if I go with the theory of, you know, we should all be striving to eat as little as possible, sure my body may adapt to that to get by and be efficient with that, but is that the most optimal amount of nutrients

Starting point is 00:41:35 for all my body systems, for all of its different needs? And am I lacking there? So that's where I was. The quality is very important with that. Well, yeah, right. Exactly. So if you are on the lower end of calories and nutrients, and I mean, this person's asking more for the muscle building aspect.

Starting point is 00:41:53 So that's a no brainer. Yeah, of course, if you're eating so low, low calorie, and then you also have these conflicting goals that you also want to be the biggest buff this guy that you know, that's pretty tough to do that, right? So they kind of conflict with each other. We're just talking about health and longevity. Well, then yeah, I could argue that eating that way in comparison to how a majority of people consume food absolutely.

Starting point is 00:42:13 But I would be willing to challenge that way of thinking that, you know, we don't know, we don't know the three men that are on this podcast right now, you know, exactly how much vitamin D just needs in comparison to me, exactly how much creatine that Sal is getting in comparison. We all have got all these different amounts that we're not intaking based of our regular diet and based off of how we're training and working or our own genetics, because I have psoriasis,

Starting point is 00:42:42 so my body probably has different needs, you know, on a micronutrient level than someone like Sal or Justin. So therefore, you know, if I'm eating on that super low calorie, would it necessarily be ideal for me? It just seems really hard to manage, you know, like, manage that mentality of like, when I have a really rigorous day or have something that, you know, comes up where I feel like really low energy or, you energy or I'm trying to recover and then I'm still trying to eat as low of calories as

Starting point is 00:43:11 possible. Am I really going to nourish myself properly with that mentality all the time? Like, I think that it's different because I feel like this is in direct contrast with the way that we think in society thinks things about like having to constantly eat and keep your metabolism high. And I get where he's going with this mentality of longevity, but I feel like that becomes quickly becomes something that can become like a fixation. It can be just like the macro,

Starting point is 00:43:42 like counting where I'm so stuck on, like always trying to keep like so stuck on like, always trying to like keep everything like so low. I mean, there's no doubt that everybody eats too much. I mean, there really is no doubt of it. That's why it's a good deal. I agree with that. Nobody need, I mean, you know, three meals a day,

Starting point is 00:43:56 breakfast, lunch, dinner, who made that shit up? Like, we probably don't need that. Most people have not gone a day without food, which everybody right now is probably thinking, oh, well, that's a good thing. Well, not really. I mean, gone a day without food, which everybody right now is probably thinking, oh, well, that's a good thing. Well, not really. I mean, we evolved going without food for periods of time. It's part of our DNA.

Starting point is 00:44:12 It's actually healthy for us. In fact, a lot of the health benefits that people get from low calorie, you can get from fasting or prolonged fasting. And I mean, we are glutton's. Like, we throw away more food in these developed nations than some of these third world countries have to feed themselves with.

Starting point is 00:44:31 The amount of food that we throw away is insane. The amount of food that we consume is insane. And it's changed pretty recently. Like, if you go online, you can look at pictures of what the typical soda look like, or the typical french fries, or at pictures of what the typical soda look like, or the typical french fries, or burger, or what the typical steak look like when you went to a restaurant.

Starting point is 00:44:51 And they're a lot smaller than they are now. Like I go to, you go to cheesecake factory, and the fucking size of the meal that they give you is insane. It wasn't like that 40 years ago, 40 years ago, you didn't find that size of a meal anywhere. You get a meal. Right.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Actually, if you go to Europe, in fact, you go to Europe and you order meals in Europe, and you see them in these other countries that they're very small. Like, you have a breakfast in some countries and it's like, well, you don't really need that much. I mean, to keep your body up. We do eat way, way, way too much food. So, you know, I see where he's, well, I mean, to keep the body up. We do eat way, way, way too much food. So, I see where he's, well, I just think too,

Starting point is 00:45:27 like, things are, like, it just seems so many things are more optimal when it's cyclical, you know, and it's, you're undulating sort of your process, right? As opposed to like, okay, this is my formula, and I'm like, trying so hard to maintain this consistency long term forever, right? That just doesn't seem like the most beneficial way for my body to react all the time. Like it's going to get super efficient at that.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Well, he said he points out right here that, you know, and then once maintenance is set, you can build muscle with the lower caloric intake, even though the sciences, calories going to be too low. There is some good truth to this. Yeah, that's true. I remember experiencing this the first time that I got lean for a show. I remember pushing my body to a body fat percentage

Starting point is 00:46:12 that I'd never been to before. What required me to do that was a low calorie level for a longer period than I've ever done before in my life. And I actually found that post show when I went back to trying to build again, I actually built and broke through a muscle building plateau of mine that I'd been in for quite some time. And that was because I had created this new caloric maintenance by cutting, you know, and once I got rid of that fear of, oh my god, staying low calorie for this long, I'm going to lose all this muscle off my body. Once I got past that fear of, oh my God, staying low calorie for this long, I'm gonna lose all this muscle off my body. Once I got past that fear, that wasn't true.

Starting point is 00:46:47 And I realized I just shredded all this body fat. My body got adapted to consuming 2,300, 2,500 calories. So then when I went back to eating 3,300,500 and lifted and continuing to train, my body started to pack on muscle pretty well. The best muscle gains you'll ever get will come from something like that. That's why we recommend mini cuts and mini bulks.

Starting point is 00:47:09 You do desensitize your body, and there's some science to suggest that that happens with protein where you consume high levels of protein all the time, your body just becomes less efficient with it, uses more of it for energy than it normally would, and less of it for muscle building, and you get less of a muscle building effect.

Starting point is 00:47:25 So yeah, going low calorie and then bumping it up to build muscle, you'll see that benefit more than if you are always high calorie. But I think we can all agree, most people eat too much food all the time, definitely. Next up is Shani Doe. What's your thoughts on stevia compared to other artificial sweeteners?

Starting point is 00:47:44 Would you put it in the same category with the same side effects related to microbiome, appetite, et cetera, or is it relatively harmless? I don't think you just posted it. Well, I don't think that you could put it in the same category as artificial sweeteners, because it's not artificial, it's real. Yeah, it's derived from a plant.

Starting point is 00:48:01 It's not an artificial sweetener, but it is a replacement for sugar, right? So it's a process, right? It can be, it can be very processed because they don't just keep put the leaf in there. They have the process, the shit of it to make it taste good. So there's, there's evidence more and more of it's coming out recently as study just was published showing that glucose intolerance is observed in the gut after a short period of time of consuming artificial sweeteners. There have been other studies connecting things like diabetes and glucose issues with artificial sweeteners.

Starting point is 00:48:38 So it's all pointing in the same direction. There's been studies on artificial sweeteners and their effect on the gut microbiome in particular how they kill the beneficial bacteria that we know about. Sookolose in particular, sookolose I think in one study, killed off 50% of the beneficial bacteria that we know about. I say we know about because there's so much bacteria in there, but there are ones we know that are good. Sookroloce kills a shit ton of it, and the odds are your protein powder bar, or whatever pre-workout is probably flavored with Sookroloce. So we are always anti-artificial sweeteners.

Starting point is 00:49:15 There's just more evidence against them. Plus, they are artificial. Now, of course, there's things that are natural that are bad for you too, so I'm not saying all things that are natural are good for you. But the odds that we create something in laboratory that's going to have no negative side effects are much lower than something that people have been consuming for thousands of years, that we just have thousands of years of anecdotal evidence.

Starting point is 00:49:41 No, and we know kind of what it does and what it doesn't do. Like, stevia has been consumed for a very, very, very, very long time. It's been consumed by people much longer than artificial sweeteners. It is part of a plant, again, animals and plants and bacteria, all co-evolve on earth together. So the likelihood that something that people consume thousands of years ago for a long time. Where's the highest concentration of Stavia found?

Starting point is 00:50:06 What do you mean? In earth like it's a place of leaf. Oh, you mean, oh, where's it grown? That's a good question. I don't know. Maybe Doug can look that up while I'm talking. It's a South America. I think Doug just wrote out there.

Starting point is 00:50:18 Yeah. No, I think he's right. I think he's South America. So, so that's why I'll go artificial. If I'm in a bet money, I'm gonna go natural all day long, always, because I know I'm gonna win most of the time. That being said, that does not mean stevia or stevia is perfectly safe.

Starting point is 00:50:38 Stevia has no calories in it, so that makes it cool. Doesn't really affect blood glucose levels like sugar wealth, so that's cool. Is it perfectly safe? Here's why I'm going to say no. Anything that, because I think we consider the perception of sweetness as being benign. In other words, when our brain perceives something to taste a certain way, we think that that has no other effects on the rest of our body.

Starting point is 00:51:06 So if we can create something or have something that we perceive as sweet but has no calories, then we think that it's perfectly fine. That doesn't mean it. Not true. There is an effect because it still tastes sweet. That sweet perception is going to change things in your body and the way your body reacts. There's a reason why you perceive that taste. Now, is it bad that you perceive sweetness and it's not accompanied by sugar or something that sweetness normally comes with?

Starting point is 00:51:37 Maybe that might be a problem, not quite sure. But this whole tricking our body with flavors without calories and thinking that there's not gonna be any potential side effects. Or you're not giving the body of ins and yeah, those nutrients. I don't buy that. I think anytime you perceive something,

Starting point is 00:51:55 there's something changing, including sweetness, and because historically, evolutionarily speaking, anytime we tasted something that was sweet, it came with sugar typically, that I think hormones and chemicals in the body are going to react in a particular way, or at least the receptors that interact with those things. It's very, very complex. Remember, the human metabolism is besides the brain, the most complex thing, animal metabolism

Starting point is 00:52:23 is just the most complex thing that animal metabolism is just the most complex thing that we know about in the universe. And so it's not as easy as, you know, eat this, no calories, therefore it has no effect. I don't think so. Do I think Stevia or Stevia is a better alternative than artificial sweeteners? 100%. Absolutely. Do I think it's better than sugar?

Starting point is 00:52:43 Depends on the context. You know what I'm saying? Right, how much of it? Exactly. If I have something with fruit in it and my the rest of my diet's healthy, then is that gonna be okay? Sure.

Starting point is 00:52:56 If I'm eating too much sugar, too many calories and the overconsumption's gonna be bad, then maybe throwing in some stavia in there might be better, then that makes sense in that context. How often do you guys personally, um, I make it complete transparency? I probably use stevia in my coffee in the morning, which is pretty regular. Um, and then I have my green coaks occasionally, which is, uh, stevia and cane sugar. Um, and then I believe our green juice is actually sweetened with Stevia also.

Starting point is 00:53:29 So, organic supplements are... If it's organic, and if it's sweetened without sugar, it's going to be sweetened with typically with Stevia. Stevia, monk fruit, will be something else that's in there. Keep in mind supplements are, they're not as ideal as food. They never will be as ideal as food. It's just the bottom line. So like we are sponsored by Organifi,

Starting point is 00:53:56 I personally have been really enjoying their green juice. I've noticed now that I've used it now for a while, I've noticed great gut health benefits, which I did not anticipate. It's actually something I think it's going to be a staple that I use now for a long time, relatively regularly because I notice it really has a positive effect on my gut health. It is flavored with stevia. That's probably most of the stevia, that's all the stevia I get. I don't use stevia otherwise to sweeten things.

Starting point is 00:54:24 If I drink coffee, it's typically black or with butter or whatever. Stevia is also can be processed non organically. So if you do get it, I would say it's probably better to be organic. Well, the reason why I'm asking and I wanted to hear where you guys are at is, I think that I use it quite a bit and I already am aware of of that and that I I'm always trying to be mindful of it when I make those choices that day like oh, you know today I just happen to grab a bar on the go that's not normal so maybe I'm not gonna this is definitely not a day

Starting point is 00:55:00 I'm also gonna have my green coke and I'm also going to have the green juice. So I'm already mindful of the intake and I'm always trying to minimize that. I think that that's always the message that I'm always trying to share with others is that okay, in reality, there's going to be there's much bigger rocks always, right? There's debating over stevia versus artificial sweeteners or regular sugar and then the rest of your your health and nutrition is fucking upside down. Yeah, I wouldn't be stressing over that much. I would be trying to minimize it as much as possible,

Starting point is 00:55:34 but then focusing on these other areas. And I think there's a give and take on some of these things. If there's certain way, for example, the green juice, and I think Justin recommended how, this is how he uses the organophile lot. It's just a way, and I think Justin recommended how, this is how he uses the organophile lot. It's just a way, and I've used it the same way too, because I do like, you know, I used to like Coke Zero's or the green Coke's.

Starting point is 00:55:54 It's just, I like to sip on something besides water. I drink a ton of water already, and so I like to have something else. It's a nice change, right? And it's, if it helps me not drink something else that is way worse for me, this one at least has a bunch of benefits that I'm getting from the green juice, I'm going to take that because it's a lesser evil. So I think all these things have to kind of come into play when you, the, your thought process of, I do or I don't. Yeah, I think that's the important message really is to pay attention, you know, to really understand, to really understand your intake with that.

Starting point is 00:56:26 Like you said, I definitely am not going to eliminate all things that taste sweet in my diet. That's just not a reality. There'll be days where I do try and do that. I'm more mindful to consume less carbohydrates, less sweetening sugar, stevia, whatever it is, I'm putting in my daily intake. But yeah, I like to use stuff like that, like green juice, just like you said, like I'll look forward to it that way.

Starting point is 00:56:57 So the more you sort of minimize it and you die, the more actually you look forward to it. Now, stevia in South America as an herb was used for to treat certain things, so stomach problems, call it. And believe it or not, I got to read more about this, but as a form of contraception. So some naturopaths will recommend that women who are trying to get pregnant or are pregnant might want to look into or think twice about maybe using stevia because of that.

Starting point is 00:57:25 But it's also got health benefits so like their study showing stevia's got anti-cancer properties, improves blood pressure, good for cholesterol. And again, it's been used for a long time in South America as a medicinal herb. So that's why I always lean towards it as my non-chaloric sweetener of choice. Quick commercial break, you guys.

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Starting point is 00:58:02 If you want some, go to Ben GreenfieldFitness.com forward slash nature bite, put in the code, mine puppet get 10% off. Go check it out. Next up is tea fluid. What are the best anabolic foods? Oh, easy. Fat.

Starting point is 00:58:18 Yeah, no, I'm gonna say very, very easy. Okay, so if we're thinking about foods that actually have an anabolic effect, steroid. anabolic meaning. I'll eat those for breakfast. Yeah, go to the steroid tree. That actually promote an anabolic environment with your hormones and everything in your body. Dietary cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol. If you consume, and it doesn't work long-term, it's kind of a short-term thing, you'll notice it. Staking eggs. Yeah, and by the way, old school bodybuilders,

Starting point is 00:58:53 and old school strongmen, this is what they used to do. When they wanted to get stronger, they would eat liver and egg yolks and full fat, you know, butters and creams, and they didn't know why it worked. They just knew that it worked and it made them really strong. It was the cholesterol. There's many studies that show that consuming

Starting point is 00:59:12 high amounts of dietary cholesterol for, you know, relatively short periods of time, you know, three to six weeks or whatever. You'll get a boost in testosterone. Remember, cholesterol is the, it's like the, the, the base molecule for hormones. In fact, cholesterol itself is a steroid. Stereoid refers to a class of molecules.

Starting point is 00:59:34 Consuming more cholesterol, strength and cell membranes, it will increase testosterone levels. You'll notice an anabolic strength building effect. I always do when I do this. Again, I notice it short-term. It's like three weeks and it kind of goes away. And then I bring it back down because I may notice some negative effects. Some negative effects. People are still so scared of this because of the American Heart Association. Like, we

Starting point is 00:59:56 fucked it up for everybody. I feel, I feel in sodium too, like this. So I feel like, good one. Whenever I, and I highly recommend people Trying this right where they'll kind of go low either come off a fast Or like lower sodium lower calorie lower type cholesterol and then feeding it hard to so you can really see the difference right Obviously if you just if you don't track you don't pay attention and then I'll send you just oh I'm gonna have some more eggs In my diet or have some liver every now and then you may not see enough of a difference.

Starting point is 01:00:27 And, you know, I know Sal has talked about this on the show before where, you know, he'll literally look at his total amount of cholesterol and double the intake. And so it takes kind of that, you know, difference to really feel the difference if you're looking for like that anabolic feeling. And nothing has given me more than that,

Starting point is 01:00:45 then actually restricting from certain foods and then feeding back into it. So you felt more inflammation as a result, right? So you have to like, manage that properly as far as like the time frame that you do this, right? So yeah, so I'll do it. When I do this, I'll usually phase it around a strength building phase, because that's right.

Starting point is 01:01:06 In cholesterol, bumping in your cholesterol also strengthens the central nervous system. I think that's where a lot of the strength gains come from, and then the muscle gains follow. Having cholesterol post workout, this is something that I've been talking about for a little while, and this is very interesting. Cholesterol is used to repair muscles as well. In fact, if you do all intense workout and then they test your serum cholesterol and your blood, it'll go down because your body is up to something.

Starting point is 01:01:32 Do you know what, that was something that we called a long time ago that I don't know if I've seen yet. Has someone done that yet? I've heard a couple people talk about it. It's not new information, it's old. Like they used to do it back in the day again. But you know, it's made a comeback because of the what two years ago or three years ago god's when we first started mind pump uh... when uh... american heart association had to come out

Starting point is 01:01:52 and re-camp with they had been saying for the last thirty plus years so because it's no longer a nutrient concern according to that right and back then it was right so now that it's not now that it's more popular american heart association recognizes as it's okay now I bet we're going to see supplements start to totally start to come out that's related to that we've speculated and talked about doing it ourselves. Yeah and now here's the problem with that is how do you provide cholesterol in a non-oxidized form because like eggs for example egg yolks when you cook the shit out of your eggs, you actually damage some of the cholesterol and not only make it less... You gotta go raw, mate.

Starting point is 01:02:29 Less ideal, but in fact, it may be pro-inflammatory a little bit. If you eat the egg yolks raw, then the cholesterol is better for you. So I don't know how they would put in a supplement with that processing and creating and just make it as bad. Really nasty drink. You know, see what happens. I'm not quite, I'm not sure, but like post, I remember how they used to do the egg white pumps. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:49 Maybe they do that with the yolks. Dude, it's funny. It's like we should call that, we should call the company that makes egg whites. I'm like, hey, what are you doing with all this? Give us your leftovers. Yeah, we'll take all the yolks over. But yeah, post workout man,

Starting point is 01:02:59 you'll get faster recovery and more strength from doing that. The other one is saturated fat, bumping up your, I know I'm saying all the shit that everybody's like, oh my god. I know, we said what do I say? Sodium saturated fat, some fats, that's it. That's true. It's true, it's true. Bump up your saturated fat and take

Starting point is 01:03:15 if you're healthy otherwise and it's natural sources of saturated fat or good sources and you'll notice that your strength will typically go up as well. But I'll tell you something right now, nothing's more anabolic with food than going from a deficit to a surplus. And when you do something like the sodium thing I'm talking about,

Starting point is 01:03:38 so I always recommend someone tracks it first, kind of pay attention to where you're at and keep it minimal. And then like if I'm gonna boost it, I'm gonna boost it with like a salt, like a Himalayan pink salt. Oh dude, I'm glad you brought that up on Thrive. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:52 So Thrive's got a great price on Himalayan pink salt because it's normally expensive as shit. At the store, check this out. I'm glad you brought that up Adam. I just read an article, they just did a study on a bunch of popular brands of sea salts Mm-hmm, and I believe in either all of them are almost all of them like a majority of them. They found microscopic

Starting point is 01:04:14 plastic What? Yes in almost every single one that's the state of our ocean. That's our fucking plastic That's because of our ocean. Yeah, because they're getting it from the ocean and our oceans are so Islands of plastic so they'rethiest fuck, right? Yeah. So that you take sea salt and you're a health person. You're like, oh, I'm gonna eat this healthy sea salt and you're end up ingesting plastic,

Starting point is 01:04:35 which is very bad for you. Wow, it's so fresh. And they're finding. So I'm telling people, I'm telling my family, everybody like either you consume the best source of similane because it's mined from ancient beds of salt that existed before we polluted the shit out of our oceans.

Starting point is 01:04:53 So it's clean, or gotta go with the fricking, you know, process the shit. Salt, martens, fucking. Because it's better than plastic. How fucked up is that? Wow, isn't that fucked up? That is fucked up, I did not know that. But yeah, Thrive's got a good price on it.

Starting point is 01:05:09 You do, I can't believe some of the stuff on Thrive. Like something like that, the salt would literally be like 15 bucks. That salt, that, yeah, no, that's what it would be. Yeah, no, it's 7 bucks. Yeah, I know, on Thrive, it's like half the price. It's free. Everything's on there like that. Everything I'm buying, everything on there,

Starting point is 01:05:25 because it's all like 30, 40, or half, 50%. And I know Whole Foods now is lowered their prices because they're working with Amazon. So it's cool to see this little price more. But, the thrife's still lower, dude. Yeah. The thrife still has the lowest price now. No, they still beat them for sure.

Starting point is 01:05:42 So, with any of those, whether you're doing sodium, the cholesterol, I even get that antibiotic feeling from depleting carbohydrates for three or four days. And then pumping them back up. But to me, I think if you really want to feel the difference and potentially see the difference in your workout, like, you know, spend a little time tracking, you know, just see where you're at currently.

Starting point is 01:06:05 And whatever, whatever, and I would do one by itself so you can kind of feel the difference of each of them because I think everybody, depending on what you are either oversaturated with or very low on, will feel different because I, I've done this with sodium with someone and it was like, oh my God, game changer for them. And then I've done it with other people

Starting point is 01:06:23 and they felt like really nothing from it. I've done it with, I've done the fat thing with people, and they feel little to no big deal over it. And then I've had other people, it's been like, oh my god, game changer for. So what I think it has the most to do, of course, our genetic makeup makes the biggest difference. But even like what you regularly do already,

Starting point is 01:06:39 with the bodies already become very adapted to, if you already eat pretty high cholesterol, and then telling you to add more cholesterol may not make a huge difference for you. So same thing goes with the sodium. So pay attention to kind of where you're at and then play with one of those. Maybe double them as long as you're in a healthy, safe range, which it takes quite a bit of that stuff. Yeah, I want to say the first time I heard about really consuming a lot of cholesterol for strength was when I was reading because I love to read old school Bodybuilders and the old timey and one guy Vince Garanda who was known at the time as being like the smartest Bodybuilder like everybody he had gyms and he gave people diets and he was known as like the

Starting point is 01:07:20 The scientists of bodybuilders and he was shredded especially back when he competed He had like full six pack back when bodybuilders kind And he was shredded, especially back when he competed. He had like full six pack, back when bodybuilders kind of looked a little bigger and smoother. And he had a diet that he would recommend for strength and they called the steak and eggs diet. And it was like steak and eggs, cooked in butter and full fat cream,

Starting point is 01:07:39 and he used to promote the hell out of this, the bodybuilders, and Arnold even did some of these diets to gain mass in his early years. And he talks about it and is en, the bodybuilders, and Arnold even did some of these diets to gain mass in his early years and he talks about it and is encyclopedia bodybuilders. So for all you muscle building nerds, look up the Vince Garanda diet. It's right along those lines. Also, go to YouTube, subscribe to our channel.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 604: Best Anabolic Foods, Dangers of Stevia, Mark Sisson's Caloric Recommendation & MORE

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