Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 626: Muscle Building Meals for Packing on Mass, Correcting Terrible Posture, Lifting to Impress & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:38 the shitty product. We made it for people. People forgot about that. Unhealthy. We talk about Aubrey DeGrey. He's a longevity expert that unfortunately unfortunately looks extremely old for his age. Yeah, like a decrepit, zizi top. If we talk about who really benefits from biohacking, and then we talk about the similarity

Starting point is 00:00:55 of between the biohacking community and the muscle building community. It's interesting. There's a lot of crossover. We also mentioned our sponsor, Organify, if you go to OrganifyShop.com and enter the code MindPump, you'll get 20% off any of their products. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, should anybody be giving nutritional advice or prepping people for competitions if they're not registered dietitians. My RD prepped me for stage. That's why you lost.

Starting point is 00:01:27 Said nobody. Second question was, what are our favorite muscle building meals? What do we have as staples when we're trying to pack on the mass? I eat a horse. On our ass. The third question was, what is the point that we finally realize that we're actually not lifting weights to impress women? We're trying to impress the dudes. Hey there guy. Is it working? Are you impressed yet? The final question was, what is good posture? How can we develop

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Starting point is 00:03:18 Right. You guys got to fill me in. We all divided and conquered yesterday, which I always love when we do that. You got Justin was over at Halo, Saw was over, Rufflin Feathers over at the Biohacking Convention, and I was on the talk of a doc podcast. So what happened at the,

Starting point is 00:03:35 I saw the Mind Pump Media Instagram story, and you had the Soilant guy up there, you had some doctor up there. Future box. Yeah, so what happened? So Taylor belongs to this newsletter called... Hustle, the hustle. The hustle.

Starting point is 00:03:52 And they put together this event with influencers on the biohacking space. In the biohacking space, they call themselves wellness experts. I'm gonna tell you something right now. They're not fucking wellness. How painful was it to sit there and be silent? So we show up. It's up in San Francisco and it's first off great Place we go in super high-security to get up to this like office building. Yeah, and we and it's like You don't have no control over the elevator. Just say no. Yeah, we step in and it's like, they predetermined where you're going.

Starting point is 00:04:25 Yeah, they won't even let you go. We're like, we got lost. We're like, oh shit. And it's, if you picture what the stereotype of like, working in Silicon Valley's like, that's what it looks like. Like, you walk in and there's like this big, eglue-looking thing that people sit in and work.

Starting point is 00:04:40 It's like a hive, I was like, what the hell are you guys doing in there? People skating around and all weird and I'm like, oh shit, we're in like, we're in what people think, interesting furniture. Like the show, like Legos, Stacking furniture, like that type of deal. We're all all over it. Exactly. So we go on Hoolie. Oh yeah, totally like Hoolie.

Starting point is 00:04:56 So we go in there and there's a group of, I don't know, it was like 50 people. Yeah. They're all the audience about 50 people. And they're all tech hipsters, like 20 something, 30 something year old, you know, dudes all with like, Wow, without you even telling me, I can already see what's going on here. So you've got these people that know a little bit more information than some techie nerd kid

Starting point is 00:05:17 who plugs in and writes code all day long, and they're smart kids, so they're looking for the advantage for hacking into hard, better- Better-wing performance driven. And so you get these people that are calling themselves wellness people that are really marketing and probably selling such things.

Starting point is 00:05:32 Dude, what they're looking at. Oh my God, how did you bite your tongue? Oh, bro, so what they're looking for is, in the case of painful. The questions that these kids were asking were, you can tell, they want like, tell me the most cutting-edge supplement or thing, one thing I can do,'s going to make me like

Starting point is 00:05:46 Steve John how can I squeeze out more hours in my day of productivity yeah but also enjoy all means necessary but also enjoy my life and get eight hours sleep and have great time yeah yeah and uh it's so so that's the kind of environment nice kids so we're sitting down and up at the on the panel was uh Molly Mal, who is awesome. So she's going to be great. I want to have her on the show. Yes. She's spitting some fire. Then there was a dude that rep, he was a, he used to be an engineer, but now calls himself a biohacking wellness expert. Yeah. He's not. No. Then the guy next to him was like, what was his, like, so his credentials were,

Starting point is 00:06:26 I've listened to Dave Asprey for like a year. He writes, he writes and talks about key to Jack diets. That's it. And that's the answer to everything according to him. So he's up there. Then the, but he was backpedaling when Molly was fucking shitting on it, which is great. I'll get into that for a second.

Starting point is 00:06:40 Totally. In a second. Then the guy next to him was, he used to be the marketing director, if I'm not mistaken, marketing director or one of the founding people of Soilent. Oh wow. Soilent for the unaware who we're listening right now

Starting point is 00:06:57 is a company that created this meal replacement powder, that engineers would drink and not eat. That way they could stay at their desk and just work. Or do everything you need to stay alive. Yeah, they advertise it as like perfect nutrition, perfectly engineered nutrition. So you don't need food. All you do is because, you know, food is, like, it's such a hassle. Yeah, it takes so much time to sit down and eat.

Starting point is 00:07:21 I mean, you need food. Yeah. Exactly. I just want to sit here and work with people. Terrible experience. Super creative and microdose acid all day. So anyway, they make this thing that's like perfect nutrition and that's what you drink and that's it. So that's the whole thing behind it.

Starting point is 00:07:32 And we've talked about it before. Soilant to me is so ridiculous. If soilant was a person I would kick it in the teeth. It's so dumb, right? So they're up there and they're answering, they're talking about. Well, explain that to people that are listening that may actually be taking

Starting point is 00:07:45 So I'm thinking that it's a good idea. Why it's not a good idea. Well, I'll tell you what I said. So they're up there and they're answering questions about, you know, you know, wellness and performance and that. And Molly keeps saying things like, look, ketogenic diet for some people is excellent. Other people have polymorphisms which cause blood lipids to go all over the place. It's not for them. She's like, I'm one of those people. did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, did you know, like you're doing it wrong. She's like, no, you know, here's the deal. Then the Soilant guy says his spiel about, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:28 what Soilant was all about. And then they go back to Molly and she's like, and she's on the panel with them. Remember, she's sitting up there with them. She goes, she goes, I gotta be honest, I hate Soilant. She's like, it's horrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, she straight upset.

Starting point is 00:08:39 She's like, this face is so great. She goes off on it and I'm just like, and I do this, I'm the only guy in the audience. I do this. Yeah, we start clapping. Yeah, don't wait cuz the only one's clapping Everyone turn around and look at you. I was so impressed bro And I'm literally I feel I feeling my blood pressure rise and my heart beating fast because yeah I'm like you want to get in you want to get in on yeah bad yeah, I want to get in bad But I don't want to be rude and I'm'm like, I need this like, ooh fight.

Starting point is 00:09:05 Yeah, I'm like jumping. Oh, so then, you know, so then she's like, you know, you shouldn't focus, like the majority of her nutrition should not be processed food. And then he goes, well, what's the difference? And she's like, well, you should eat food that's like not dead. And he goes, well, what's dead food and what's alive? So he's trying to play semantics. Unfortunately, she wasn't doing a good job saying her point because she could have totally clowned on him, but she was kept saying

Starting point is 00:09:27 things that you could tell she was a little apologetic because she's on the front face to face. You know, so she's trying to be a little soft in her delivery. Make it a little more anecdotal, but like she totally could have roasted it. Yeah. So then they're like, oh, you know, anybody have any questions? So I raised my hand and I stand up. And I said, I don't remember exactly what I said I said something like you know real food is the food that we co evolved with and we ate for thousands of years Process food is assuming that we fully understand human metabolism and it's widely understood that the human metabolism Besides the brain is the most complex and in the universe There's there's the second most complexammillion metabolism is the second most complex thing

Starting point is 00:10:07 that we've observed in the universe. We don't fully understand how it works. And to assume that we can process something and invent something and call it perfect nutrition. And this is all you can eat is at best, ignorant, at worst, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. And the example that he gave that really fucking piss me off

Starting point is 00:10:28 is he goes, this is before I said any of that. He's like, oh yeah, he goes, I went 30 days on just soy lit. And the CEO went 30 days on just soy lit. And he goes, and you know, that's, he goes, that's proof in our concept. And then that's when the first thing I said, when I stood up as I said, well, I said, you could go 30 days on just eating peanut butter or no food or just eating

Starting point is 00:10:47 hot dogs or eating no food. That's what I said or no food. And I said, so it doesn't prove anything at all. And then I went over and asked Molly a question about food intolerances because I didn't want to just make a statement. Let me raise my hand and be an asshole and say, so like I got to ask a question. So anyways, after I said that, you know, you could tell people were kind of looking at me and then at the end of it. Like you can see in the video, there's a dude that's backed by you and he's just like, who the hell is this guy?

Starting point is 00:11:12 Oh, it just come from. Yeah. You can see it on his face. He was totally out of left field. I loved it. It was like, you know, you could feel the uncomfortableness in the mirror. Did Taylor catch the footage?

Starting point is 00:11:22 I know Taylor was there. He had it on his, yeah, on the vlog. He caught the whole thing. And you could, you know, afterwards, two people came up to me and like thanked me for saying that or whatever. And I got in line because I want to talk to Molly because she's, she is a doctor.

Starting point is 00:11:38 I did some research on her. Taylor knows all about her. She's like a concierge practicing dog. Yeah, so she's trying to create a new way that we treat people or whatever and I don't know All the details about it and hopefully she comes on the show. She said she would and talks about it But I but she's abrasive which I fucking love because then they brought up another guy Who's like this expert on longevity? Oh right, Aubrey Gray, Aubrey Degrey is that a name Doug? Aubrey Degrey. They were talking about Aubrey Degre, how he's this like super expert on longevity.

Starting point is 00:12:07 And then she piped up and she goes, I'm gonna be honest with you, she goes, I don't wanna look like him. He looks like he's sick and old. He does almost like, he's almost on the verge of death. And I'm like, oh shit, I love her. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:18 Like she'll just talk shit. Like everybody, they're revered this guy, right? She's just like, I don't wanna be like that. She's like, no, he looks terrible. That's gonna look healthy to me. So I went up afterwards and I introduced myself and she knew all about us. She knew about my impump and she was like,

Starting point is 00:12:32 she was like, she was a fan. She's no way, really. She listens to us and. Oh, you gotta have her on the show today. I did, I gave her, she gave me her cell number and I already sent the information over to. Yeah, she'll be a fun guest. That's Aubrey Degrey.

Starting point is 00:12:43 This is the guy they were, are you kidding me? Yeah, right? No way. This is like their, their demi-god guy. He's the longevity expert. How old is he though? He's like 80 something?

Starting point is 00:12:55 No, no. He's really not 80? No, it's like 50 years. No, no, no. No, he's not. Give me his age. You have to tell me how you put that picture up. Let me look him up.

Starting point is 00:13:02 There's no way that guy's fucking 50. We have to do some digging on this guy For sure, he looks 80 hold on hold on. He was born in 19. He's 54, dude. Oh my are you kidding me? No, he's 54 Come on. I can find you fit. I can find you a handful of people that are more than a handful of people that are 50 something years old That have never even worked out and ate right and look better than that, dude Wow, yeah, you know, Doug is 50 years old and Doug looks that have never even worked out and ate right and look better than that, dude. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Doug is 50 years old and Doug looks, he's young as me. Oh, that's what a great, that's what we got to do.

Starting point is 00:13:29 We've got, okay, so, oh my God. Yeah. He's 50. Yeah. So he's, oh, he looks great. Yeah. He looks just what I want to look like. He's like, ZZ Top.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah. No, ZZ Top looks better. Yeah, ZZ Top looks just like that. ZZ Top looks like that. Yeah, ZZ Top looks like 20 years on him and he look, they look better, dude. That's, they're out still jamming, man. Come on. Yeah. Yeah, he's tough just. He's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's Top like 20 years on him. And he looked they look better dude. They're out still jamming man. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:47 Yeah. He's a really smart dude. He's got some interesting research. But yeah, she made a good point. So anyway, anyway, dude, it made me realize that the information that people are sharing right now, the most people is so. Well, it's kind of in a bubble. And I think that we are.

Starting point is 00:14:04 This was an exercise. And I think that this was an exercise, and I love that Taylor kind of set this up to you, to make us realize that we're a little bit in a bubble, like our podcasting circle, like the information that we're constantly receiving or giving out, like, you know, it's still pretty much like a little micro environment, like it's not as expansive as we thought.

Starting point is 00:14:23 Well, I'm gonna throw something out there. It's totally like talking shit right now. And I'm gonna do it without using name so I don't get us in too much trouble. What if I know who it is, can I say the name? Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you who it's about. It's about Dave Asprey. And there's a lot of people out there that, like, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:40 cause this bullet proof is exploding everywhere, right? And juggernaut brand. Biohacking and kudos to the brand and what they're doing. And there is a lot of great stuff behind that. But I know somebody who does work on him. And they say that if this guy's living his brand like he talks, he's not as healthy and as in good condition as he tries to claim. And in fact, he's pretty, he's got a lot of work to do inside internally and stuff. So I know, and that this is coming from the person

Starting point is 00:15:07 who's doing the work on him. So it's not somebody who's here saying, oh, like I heard this or that. No, this is a person who's working on him, helping him out to work through a lot of the issues that he's got. So what's happened is brands like that have exploded, and we've now got these little mini pods popping up all

Starting point is 00:15:25 over the Silicon Valley where anybody that has a little bit of information and knowledge on the latest and greatest biohack can now throw these little seminars attached to brand to it and sell to these little engineers. Let me just say one thing. I feel this whole biohacking thing came about because of ego, like because of like engineers, scientists, like people within like the Silicon Valley, you know, like CEO kind of realm, they're like, you know, fitness, whatever,

Starting point is 00:15:54 we can like hack our way through this. Like we don't have to do all these like, rigorous activities and like, you know, really pay attention. I'll tell you some more. If it was, if we don't have to sleep, you know, all these hours, we can hack our way through this. It's, this is what it is, okay.

Starting point is 00:16:08 Biohacking is a term invented by marketers to sell you more fucking shit. It's no different than build muscle, burn fat, you know, this, it's no different. It's just another category. I'll tell you, they've come up with the sell you shit. I'll tell you right now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:24 I remember this. I remember when the first time've come up with the sell you should. I'll tell you right now. Yeah. I remember this. I remember when the first time we were heading out to meet Ben Greenfield and I remember it, like I had already dubbed through all of stuff. We hadn't met in person yet. And I remember thinking like, I'm going to fucking lay into this dude. But when we met him and I saw the way he left lived his life, it's the only reason why I was like, okay, I can respect that. Like this, if there is a guy that has any business messing around

Starting point is 00:16:46 with all this stuff, this dude, and I get it. Like he's experimenting, he's, he's, he's, he's, 100% lives his life by like, you know, he is dialled. Yeah, more dialled than almost anybody I've ever met in my life. So, okay, if someone's gonna fuck around with their body and try and hack into little things, they get a little bit of a competitive edge and then talk about it, like, I can respect that.

Starting point is 00:17:06 But 99% of the population has no business even fucking around with you. When you have the baseline already established, right? Like, if you're not sleeping, you're not eating right. You're not doing all these other, your stress levels are all over the place. And then you're trying to bio hack one thing, like, give me this, this drink that's gonna help me do this or give me one thing. Like give me this drink that's gonna help me do this

Starting point is 00:17:26 or give me these new glasses or give me this tool that's gonna help that. Like no, like if you took care of the things that have been around forever that we've known help the human body out. If you take care of those big fucking rocks first, it's triple, 10 times more important to your overall health, strength, building muscle,

Starting point is 00:17:42 burning fat, more productivity, all the things at the biohacking community pitches as like, oh, this is what you're doing it for. Like, yeah, okay, if you take that, you know, this one thing that they're pitching and selling, whether it be a supplement, whether it be infrared, whether it be sunglasses, fucking blue lockers, whatever it is, if you took somebody who's got everything perfect and then you add that one thing,

Starting point is 00:18:03 sure they might get a competitive edge. The vibe that I was getting to was very reflective of the high performance sports realm, because it's like, in their arena, all they care about is productivity, your output, what you're accomplishing, business-wise. business to them is their ultimate peak pinnacle like sport arena. And so now, how can we sort of, you know, all this other stuff? How can we figure this out to feed into, you know, this peak performance mentality? Now, I will say this, and this was very interesting because I'm seeing much more of this. There's this misconception that, and every generation does this,

Starting point is 00:18:43 that the current younger generation is somehow, you know, fucking things up and whatever, like millennials, that here's what I'm learning about millennials. Millennials are very, very interested. They're thirsty for knowledge and the better themselves. There's all kinds of studies to show that right now. It's fucking awesome. And they're also more entrepreneurial-minded

Starting point is 00:19:04 than many other generations. In fact, it's cool. It's become cool again to talk about being an entrepreneur, to when I go to these things, here's all these kids who are working for other companies. They're all employees or whatever. It's a biohacking thing, and they're all relating it to entrepreneurship,

Starting point is 00:19:19 entrepreneurship. I keep hearing that all the time, which is exciting for me. It's just, they're feeding it, you know, these people presenting this information, they're giving them a lot of shit information on screen. Right. I mean, you're talking, okay, I could just imagine this group and I wasn't there, so I don't know, but you guys can tell me if I'm wrong, but you're looking at this huge group of all

Starting point is 00:19:37 these engineers and people that are trying to biohack, and it's like, you know, it's crazy. If all of them started lifting weights three times a week, they would see a massive improvement in their overall performance, life, everything, right? You just, I mean, iterating balance. I mean, that's one of those things. We were talking about it, like how this disassociation of like peak performance, you know, being outside of balance.

Starting point is 00:20:00 No, your body performs its best ones in balance, you know, and like it, that is not a point that any of them are either. There are times when you can take your body out of balance to squeeze out more focal performance on a particular thing. Like if you're going to maximize your, you know, your 50 yard dash or you're going to maximize your bench press or you're going to maximize your extreme performance when I'm cramming for this test or I'm cramming this project or I'm creating this business You can definitely do that overall. However, that is a very short-term Process for success long-term. It's terrible. It's a terrible way to succeed long-term because at some point

Starting point is 00:20:38 Things start to give and then you're fucked you destroy yourself. You reduce performance you reduce performance in all aspects You destroy yourself, you reduce performance, you reduce performance in all aspects, not just your fitness or your mental capacity, but everything else. So Justin's absolutely correct. Balance, you will perform better all the time with that in mind. And understanding that means that when I do

Starting point is 00:20:57 tip the scale at a balance, how do you navigate back to balance? That's right, like okay, like sometimes you do have a deadline, like oh shit, we got a cram guys, we got to work till 2 a.m. today. Okay, I know what I can do to squeeze that out, but now I got to, I understand that the rest of this, my body, my everything from my hormones to everything else are going to start to adapt towards that.

Starting point is 00:21:16 I got to understand the side effects of that and how do I bring myself back into balance because what a lot of people get stuck doing is they squeeze something out and they're like cool, I'm going to do this all time. I'm going to do this all time because I was able to squeeze out this extra performance. Know your screws self up and you screw self royally. But I will say this, you can see signs of low testosterone, very, very strongly in this younger generation,

Starting point is 00:21:41 especially in this generation. I'm sitting in this room and I'm seeing these dudes. And I'm looking at them, I'm thinking exactly what you said Adam, I'm looking at them going. And some of them even brought up testosterone. One of the guys who was talking talked about how, you know, he took a medicine, a prescription because he was losing hair at a young age.

Starting point is 00:22:02 Propecia. Yeah, not realizing that it would, and by the way, his misunderstanding of what it was doing to his body was all over the place. But he was talking about how lower testosterone actually doesn't, it just messes with dehydrotestosterone. And anyway, but he was talking about having low testosterone and I'm looking at him and I'm looking at all these dudes

Starting point is 00:22:18 in the room or really listening like, oh yeah, how do I raise my testosterone? Right. If you fuckers lifted weights, that's that would do everything that you want. Yeah. None of these supplements or biohacks are going to do that for you. Well, imagine what just lifting weights does. What it does as far as improving your sleep, what it does as far as improving your hormones,

Starting point is 00:22:35 what it does is improving strength. Test to, I mean, there's so many benefits that all these guys and girls that are probably listening to these biohackers are going to benefit. And nobody talking about it, we're all talking about a soilent or we're talking about a pill or aackers are going to benefit. And nobody talking about that. We're all talking about a toilet or talking about a pill or a... And I bet they're all avoiding that. Yeah, everything else but, you know, resistance training. Oh, dude, it's killer to see where it's going.

Starting point is 00:22:54 I didn't realize that you've got these pods like this. It makes total sense though, right? Like, you see how huge bulletproof is gone, how massive of a brand it has gone in this short amount of time that we've been around, right? So I mean, you know, bulletproof didn't exist what eight years ago or whatever, I don't remember when Dave started or whatever, but I mean, when we were trainers, nobody was trying,

Starting point is 00:23:16 nobody was biohacking anything, like there was no, that wasn't even a thing. That's another thing people don't understand, and it's not to say that we have an involved in science and we're not learning more about the body. And, you know, and I know I just threw a bunch of random stuff out there like the Infrared and the blue blockers listen if you're sitting in front of a computer screen all day I totally think that's Not a bad strategy to have blue blocker glasses on like I think that's but the main point is

Starting point is 00:23:39 We're now we're pushing into soil and we're pushing into supplement supplementing things like for your hormones And for food that you're not getting because you're not eating properly and we're pushing into supplementing things like for your hormones and for food that you're not getting because you're not eating properly, you're not exercising. It's like, no, listen, these are things that maybe if I have to be at the computer screen and it's 11 o'clock at night, like, hey, maybe I throw in my blue barks, but I also should be training myself that that's not ideal. That's not what I should be doing for my body all the time. If I want good rest, good sleep, I don't want it to affect my hormone levels.

Starting point is 00:24:06 If I don't want that, you've got to find better balance. It's a lot of the same feeling you had a long time ago of what was trending at the time in. Even when I took an Uber with Taylor later to go to the meeting, we were sharing a ride with somebody else who was a CEO of this company that was like You know I was doing some interesting stuff as far as like you know data and and retrieving like your your personal Online profile like all your information and all that stuff But anyway, he was talking our ear off, but I bet Taylor could have been one of these fucking kids if it wasn't for finding us

Starting point is 00:24:40 Dude 100% he was already part of another startup. And it's attractive. It's a lot of energy. I enjoy being around the vibe. You know, of all these kids that are hungry to work and do cool shit and change the world. That's the cool part. And I'll tell you something that I realize saying is like, purpose.

Starting point is 00:25:00 Yeah. What I'm sitting there thinking is, we need to do more of that. I'm looking at this group of people that all They did was get this newsletter and they're like hey, we're gonna and it was it was you know, it was that organized We should throw we should throw a biohacking conference that doesn't talk anything about all that shit Yeah, yeah, it talks about exercise eating natural food It's like just the staple plate. Yeah, flip it on I would but you'll be hell of mad.

Starting point is 00:25:27 But I mean, you did a minute. You guys did really cover like butter and coffee. Yeah. Why is this an apple? What kind of apple is this? Yeah, it's a normal apple. Yeah. Did you biohack it?

Starting point is 00:25:40 No, it's just a regular apple. It just makes me realize that we should do more of that kind of stuff because there's a lot of people hungry for this kind of information, especially in that age group. And I think we can make a huge impact just by like, because I mean, here's the thing, they're smart kids. They're really, really smart kids for sure.

Starting point is 00:25:58 When I made my comment, you could see people's faces light up and go, that makes sense. You know what I mean? Because I was logical and I explained it the way I explained it. I was going to ask you, did anybody come up to you? I know you went over to Tarte Mali with Dini A.B.A. else. Yeah, I had several people come up to me and be like,

Starting point is 00:26:11 dude, that was a really good point you made. And that's a great question. I'm glad you said that. And so, I mean, like I said, there's smart kids. Like if you present it in a way that's logical and objective, I think they'll listen. I really do. I think you'll win, which is very enlightening.

Starting point is 00:26:26 You know it's funny, the biohacking community is not much different than the muscle building and fat loss community that we talked about and what we've been apart of the 20 years ago. What was the bro science of the biohacking community? Right, no, at 100%. No, it is. Yeah, it's so weird.

Starting point is 00:26:42 Oh my god. Oh my god. Think about how, because there is science to support it, right? I mean, you can take somebody and you could take them and then they're on a crappy diet. And you put them on silent for 30 days. You can show markers of improvement, right?

Starting point is 00:26:56 So you can build science around all these products to support how it's no, it reminds me of the fat loss and muscle building community that we've been a part of for 20 years, it's not much different. It's just, it's actually just poking at different people. You wanna know what's fun? Going after the guys that wanna be buff and have those insecurities, it's tapping into the people

Starting point is 00:27:16 that are plugged into the computer all day. Feeding into the dysfunction. It's a fat loss muscle building community of the internet geek world. It is, but you know what's really funny? So, Soylent is a meal replacement powder, that's what it is, right? But what they did is they advertised

Starting point is 00:27:32 and marketed to a group of people that are not interested in building muscle or burning fat. They're only interested in improving their performance at work or their creativity. Because of that, and because that's such a new market, they dominated that market with a shitty product. And what I mean by that is, there's other meal replacements out there

Starting point is 00:27:52 that aim towards marketing, towards muscle builders and fat burn, people who want to lose fat. Because that market has been around longer and it's more saturated and there's more competition, the meal replacement powders in that area are way better. As a meal replacement, soyling is shit. The main ingredient is fucking GMO soy and corn. Those are the main ingredients.

Starting point is 00:28:12 It's fucking garbage. Just for a meal replacement, it's shit. Forget about the fact that the way they're marketing it is fucking dangerous and horrible. If you compare it as a meal replacement, metrics from the 90s kicks it's ass. That's funny. It's all macro basis. Like, it has no quality control. You know what it is?

Starting point is 00:28:28 It's proteins, fats, carbs, and then they throw on vitamins. It's all about margins. It's all about margins. They can probably make that cheaper than almost anything else. Of course. And that's what it, and you just push it out. The irony of it all, the irony is that these kids who they're marketing to do not know

Starting point is 00:28:43 where the name Soylent comes from. They don't know what that's a throwback to, which is hilarious. It's almost like they played a joke on everybody. Yeah, it's like they're punking. It's they're punking them. Yeah. It's like, Hey, we I bet we can name it this over here. You remember Charlton Heston? That's Soilent. No. Soilent, Green, if you're listening right now and you probably haven't seen that movie unless you're older, Soilent was a movie about this dystopian future where when you got old, they took you to these paradise. So when you got old, you got to grind it up all people.

Starting point is 00:29:13 But the reality is they took the old people and they killed them and turned them into something called Soilin Green, which was feeding the rest of the population. Soilin. Soilin. That's what the name comes from. And it's like aland. That's what the name And they're fucking it's like a joke Yeah, so ironic. It's a joke. I hope somebody tags the CEO of soyland bring it Hey, if you got balls come on mine pump and debate me. Oh my god. You big pussy bring it on the bird

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Starting point is 00:30:12 First up is Faur Fit. Should you be giving nutritional advice or prepping people for competitions if you are not a registered dietitian? This is like a yes and no. Totally. Yeah, it's like, I mean, I'm not a registered dietetician. This is like a yes and no. Totally. Yeah, it's like, I mean, I'm not a registered dietician and I've given plenty of people information about doing that.

Starting point is 00:30:33 Now, I also, preface it with that also, that listen, I'm not a nutritionist, I'm not a doctor. You know, here's some parameters and I teach that way. But I definitely think that there is a ton of people. In fact, I think there's a majority of the people giving out nutrition advice, have no business. Now, I also wanna say that I've actually trained and had a lot of registered dietitians

Starting point is 00:30:59 that aren't as savvy as people think they are. I haven't met one yet that impressed me. Yeah, it's not like, it's, it's, and of course, I'm, oh, this is an overgeneralization. So I know there's probably a registered, an RD that's listening to this right now that I'm totally offending. And it's not everybody. I'm sure the ones that listen to are sure awesome.

Starting point is 00:31:15 Right, right. Exactly. So you're, you're, you're, you're, they're forward thinking. Yeah. The, the register. So just being a registered dietitian doesn't make you any more qualified to give nutritional advice to a competitor. Because let's be, let's be honest, competing is not a healthy sport.

Starting point is 00:31:30 We've talked about this on the show, so no registered dietitian is actually going to put a diet together for a competitor because you're flirting with the boundaries. It's like there's, they're taught to try and feed the body health, which some of them don't even do a great job doing that. So they're not going to go a registered dietitian is not going to say, okay, Adam, you're getting ready for your pro show and we are going to cut carbohydrates and we're going to manipulate sodium. They're not going to do any of that stuff.

Starting point is 00:31:55 And this type of stuff for stage presence to make the body look a certain way is necessary. So my aunt is a registered dietitian, and she's been one for a long time, and we used to get into debates at family functions. Oh wow. Over nutrition, over what's healthy, what's not healthy. My uncle is a Chinese herbalist, or he's certified in Chinese medicine. So we used to, three of us would sit there,

Starting point is 00:32:22 and we would, What a great dynamic. It's giving people how long ago was this happening? Like 15 years ago, you were more broed out and stuff. We still have great discussions and debates on nutrition and stuff and it's great because everybody has a different perspective, right? Totally, those are like three total different perspectives.

Starting point is 00:32:38 But me, so I was definitely wrong early on because I would say things like, you need to eat tons of protein, small meals, all stuff. And both of them were like saying no. And but as I progressed and I learned more, my message started resonating more or connecting more with my uncle. And my aunt was still arguing. She's like, no, a diet needs to be low and saturated fat.

Starting point is 00:33:00 A diet needs to be higher in grains and a whole wheat and all these other things that dietitians believe because that's what they're taught. Until her son was stricken with Crohn's disease. Whoa. Very well. Whoa, what a fucking flip that on. Very, very bad. Not only that, but her other daughter's got severe food allergies and her husband has,

Starting point is 00:33:22 you know, it's gone through, you know, bouts of really bad gout and other stuff like that. So, her son got crones really bad, and it's terrible for anybody who suffers from crones. I have, like I said, this is somebody very close to me. I've seen what it does, how difficult it could be. And my aunt is extremely intelligent, very, very intelligent, like, go, like, figure things out yourself kind of person. Like she's very tough lady, like if she's given a challenge, she'll step up to the play

Starting point is 00:33:50 and fucking do it. That's what I love about her the most. And so she did that because the treatments for Crohn's are terrible. You go to the doctor, give you some supplements, some pills and shit. Well, it's steroids, but if it's really bad, they'll give you a form of chemotherapy to really hammer your immune system to the time. Damn it, really? Yeah, or'll give you a form of chemotherapy to really hammer your immune system. To hammer it really. Yeah, or they'll cut out parts of your digestive system. I know they use chemotherapy.

Starting point is 00:34:10 It's a type of chemotherapy. It increases your risk of other cancers later on and also stuff because what Western medicine is trying to do is to hammer the symptom, which is this rampant inflammation that's going on in your body, which in extreme cases is needed sometimes because if you don't do that, then the kid or person will die, anyway, right?

Starting point is 00:34:29 So she's like, hell no, I don't wanna do that kind of stuff. Let me do my research because all the stuff that she understood as a registered dietitian, she was doing and he had this terrible reaction. Nothing was helping. So nothing she knew based on her education as a dietician was helping her so she went online and went on these forums and started reading anecdotes from people with Crohn's and she started reading books

Starting point is 00:34:56 on ketogenic dieting, on gluten, on GMOs, and she started reading all these obscure studies on animals, all these other things that registered dietitians are not top. She finally decided I'm going to put my son on what's called the carbohydrate specific diet. That had been such a crazy situation for her, especially now that you tell the story because I didn't know this is how this went down because you've told parts of all this stuff before on the show, but I didn't realize that all three of you were coming from different perspectives

Starting point is 00:35:28 like that, probably battling out over dinners and talking about stuff. Bro, then the sun gets stricken with crones. And now you're trying, you're still trying what you've been taught. It's not working. You're forced to dig deeper and think, try things that you probably don't believe in. She rejected. Wow. She rejected everything she rejected everything

Starting point is 00:35:46 that she believed in before. She, now she's like me and her are on the same exact page. Now, granted I've also evolved since then, I've learned things as well. But both of us are, we sit down, we talk about these things and it's the thing. Well, I bet she was part of your evolution, right? In a sense, because I'm sure you're battling her

Starting point is 00:36:03 kind of from the bros side and you're watching, or was that later? No, so when he was part of your evolution, right? In a sense, because I'm sure you're battling her kind of from the bros side and you're watching or was that later? No, so when he was going through his stuff, I, you know, right around that time, or maybe a little before it, I had my own gut issues happen. And then I had to close family member with cancer, so I was doing other research on my own, but it all pointed at the same stuff.

Starting point is 00:36:22 So she puts her son on a carbohydrate-specific diet, which is basically grain-free. Eliminate all grains, especially no gluten, all GMOs are gone, all this other stuff. And by the way, now it's starting to get more credence in Western medicine. But at the time, she was laughed at by her colleagues. She was laughed at by the doctors that she would bring this to.

Starting point is 00:36:41 She would show this to the doctors, and the doctors would say to her, it's not going to do anything, but you can try it if you want. It doesn and the doctors would say to her, it's not gonna do anything, but you can try it if you want. It doesn't look like it'll hurt, but it's not gonna do anything like they laughed at her. Well, he went into complete remission. Complete remission from following this,

Starting point is 00:36:56 and it's very, very different. So my point with the story is, there's definitely people who are not registered dietitians who give advice that should not be giving any fucking advice. Registered dieticians know a lot more than the average person, but that doesn't mean that they're gonna give you great advice. Now when it comes to prepping for a competition, a dietician's got is no clue.

Starting point is 00:37:17 They're not gonna help you at all. No clue. When it comes to nutritional advice for the average person or whatever, the registered dieticians are gonna follow the standard American advice of the pyramids in the average institution. Where's Buck and pyramid ever? Yes, lots of... He lots of...

Starting point is 00:37:32 He lots of whole grains, reduce your intake of saturated fats, increase your intake. Process foods are fine. Of mono-saturated poly and saturated fats, like oil or soybean oil or this highly processed damaging fats. They're gonna say eat a little bit of protein, eat a little bit of fat, a lot of carbohydrates. Process foods are absolutely fine. Candy-spiringly. Yeah, their advice isn't excellent either.

Starting point is 00:38:00 It's based on all that kind of shit. Now, where dieticians do very well is when they're dealing with people who have kidney disease or some of these Now, where dietitians do very well is when they're dealing with people who have kidney disease or some of these other disorders where you have to be very careful with how you manipulate their diet because organs aren't working properly. But otherwise, I've had registered dietitians

Starting point is 00:38:15 as clients who, I have completely, I've changed their understanding of positions on nutrition and stuff. That's why I say that because I mean, I've probably had 10, I think in my career, my whole career, I've probably trained a total of 10 of them, and most of them hired me to help them out. And they had a very good understanding of nutrition,

Starting point is 00:38:32 so it was very easy to talk to them, oh, I want you to do this for these reasons, yeah. So we have these great conversations, because she'll tell me that, she'll get these clients that are super obese, and her standard of care, what the people like that is to put them on these, uh, these drinks. Oh, yeah, that's what they're talking about. They're talking about that. They're talking about it. It was, if you, when you get to a

Starting point is 00:38:52 point, like, so again, another great point right there is, and that was actually, so funny you bring that up, the first, uh, RD that I did take, uh, take on, worked at Kaiser, because remember, it's San Treesondell, we were right across the street. So I had a lot, that's when I got a lot of, I got all my, a lot of nurses, a lot of doctors, a lot of R.D.'s. And I actually trained the head girl for the whole nutrition plans for these obese people. And I remember her asking me,

Starting point is 00:39:20 she wanted to lose like 20 pounds or something like that herself. And she was like wanting me to put her on, she wanted to lose like 20 pounds or something like that herself. And she was like, wanting me to like put her on, she wanted to take all the drinks and the bars. And I'm like, no, like, no, we're not doing that. I'm not gonna have you do that. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, so she tells me like, we have these great conversations,

Starting point is 00:39:34 what she'll say, you know, she's like, it's out, like at these super obese people and what I'm supposed to do is tell them to just go on this liquid diet, that's like 1200 calories. And she's like, and I sit there and I try to talk to them about why that's a bad idea about how they should change nutrition, whatever. She's like, but you know what sucks? She's like, many times we have to put them on the liquid diet because nobody wants to, they don't want to listen. And

Starting point is 00:39:56 she gets very frustrated. She gets people who come in who will need dialysis because she works a lot with that particular part of the population. These people will do things that are explicitly horrible for them. They'll come in and they'll need to get all this work done. She's like, I don't know. She has even considered getting out of the medical side of the field because she's like, you know, when you're a personal trainer and insurance companies don't cover personal training, people come to you because they want to do what you're telling them.

Starting point is 00:40:27 She's like, I'm getting a lot of people that don't want at a necessity. At a necessity, they only want to listen what I have to do. They're not paying anything out of it. She's like, it's hard enough just to get them to take their pills. Like, just to here take this pill that you have to take because your kidney function is so bad. Have I ever shared on the show that one of the things

Starting point is 00:40:43 that used to happen to me a lot too, that I would blow my mind because I was across the street from that clinic that actually used to help all the obese people put them on the shakes and everything like that. And I trained the head girl. I would get people come over to me. And it's funny because I know she used to talk about, they wanted me to come over and do talks,

Starting point is 00:41:01 things like that, that time in my career I had a lot of other stuff going on, so I couldn't do this. But I ended up helping the RD and she got in great shape and she would tell everybody, like, go see Adam, go see Adam, so I'd get all these referrals coming over. And I would actually get one at every five or so, it would be somebody come in and they're probably 40, 50 pounds overweight. And they would hire me to help them get fatter so they could then either one get the surgery or qualify for the program. So in order for you to get qualified for the insurance program

Starting point is 00:41:30 You have to be X amount of pounds overweight. You have to be met considered medically obese And I would get people that were right on the borderline of medically obese They would come to me. They'd want to hire me to get them fatter so they could do either the surgery or go through the fucking program so their insurance would cover it. I was just, I was blown away. Like that's a real thing. People are hiring trainers to get fatter. I thought, this is fucking crazy.

Starting point is 00:41:54 I know, yeah. I actually had a client who was so obese that they had to lose a little bit weight before the doctors would operate on them. So this guy comes in, this was years ago, loses 30 pounds by following my advice and stuff like that and he's like, all right, thanks, I'm gonna go get the surgery. I'm like, dude, you're doing good. Like, what if we just keep doing this?

Starting point is 00:42:13 Yeah, peace out. What if we just keep doing this? No, no, no, I'm gonna go get my surgery. Crazy. I know. Crazy. Next question from Scotland 360. What are your favorite muscle building meals that you have as staples?

Starting point is 00:42:26 And when you're wanting to pack on mass, what are your go-to meals? You know what's funny? And this is gonna sound like a shameless, organified plug right here. And I know that the green juice I'm not building a ton of muscle, but I will say. And you don't have to necessarily take the green juice.

Starting point is 00:42:44 So this is half a shame was plugged for organic. This is your favorite. The question is yours. Yeah. And it's so funny because you wouldn't think that a green juice would have anything really to do with that, but I actually can feel my body just like operating better when I'm either one getting my four to six servings of greens every single day. And if I'm not getting the four to six, I'm making sure I'm taking the green juice at least once or twice a day based off that.

Starting point is 00:43:10 So my goal always is to get it naturally, 100%. But I'll be the first to admit that that doesn't happen. And in the past, I would just be like, oh, no big deal. I'll try and make it up later in the week and try and get more. But I could never catch up. I would never be able to get four to six in every single day consistently seven days a week. And since I've introduced that into my routine,

Starting point is 00:43:32 it's unbelievable how strong I feel, how much energy, my energy levels feel consistent. And then that, to me, affects my training. If I feel good, I have good sustained energy throughout the day, I'm sleeping better, I feel better when I wake up, I have good sustained energy throughout the day. I'm sleeping better. I feel better when I wake up. I feel more balanced. My stomach feels good. I have fucking awesome workouts. And it's funny because they don't connect something like that to anything to do with muscle building, like no one markets it that way. But for me personally, I'm getting more

Starting point is 00:44:01 from that than I did from creatine in the past. I'm getting more, more from that than I did from creatine in the past. I'm getting more from that than I did from other, like, you know, your test austro booster bullshit that I took as a kid, like all these things that I took to try and build muscle, I feel way better. That was a nutrients are there now. Right. Like, my body feels more balanced. Because my body feels more balanced, I feel like I can perform better, which in turn helps in that way, which is crazy.

Starting point is 00:44:24 And really, it's more of a testament. It's less of a testament to, you know, Organifies Green Juice, even though I love it. It's more a testament of balancing your diet out is so much more important than any fucking muscle building meal or supplement you could possibly. It's funny, and there's no formula. It's not like you get this like one dish that's like, okay, this is the one that is my muscle building dish. Right, because if the rest of the day

Starting point is 00:44:47 is all out of balance, it's fucked up. And you're not supposed to throw it. It's funny because no one thinks of vegetables as muscle building. Right, that's why I wanted to point it out. What do you do when you want to build mass? Well, first thing I do is I make sure you look more vegetable. Just way protein.

Starting point is 00:45:00 Where does she get out of it? There's barely any macros in vegetables. What are you talking about? But do you guys have like meals that you tend to go to when you're like, okay, I want to bump my calories, I want to increase my strength, and these meals tend to, because here's, so for me,

Starting point is 00:45:14 I do have meals that I'll tend to gravitate towards. And it's mainly because if I push calories hard with the wrong foods, I may start to gain strength, but then I'll be in unbalanced, like Adam's saying, because I'll have more inflammation or something like that. And then I can't. I can't eat anymore and get the benefits from it. Now I'm just feeling like shit and I end up gaining body fat and I don't build muscle. So there are meals that I will eat if I want to bump my calories that tend to feel good at the same time. I have one. When I was competing, it was staple. I, every morning had steak, eggs, spinach, and a small bowl

Starting point is 00:45:49 fruit. That started every morning for a decent amount of calories. Oh, it's a big, I mean, it was a big piece of steak. It was probably a thousand calorie meal that I would have in the morning time. And you'd feel good. And I normally lived around noon. So by the time that, like, it fully digested, it hit my

Starting point is 00:46:04 system, I had incredible workouts and it was the staple and I and I still go back to that I'm just you know right now like building muscle and getting on stage is not my number one priority So it's not like this huge and that's it's like a $25 fucking breakfast because I go out eating You know, I'm saying I did I eat it every single day for a very long time while I was competing well that's a good point because I too don't tend to eat breakfast very often. And so just if I'm in more of anabolic phase and I'm really focusing on muscle building, like I will now start eating breakfast and I'll do that a little more routinely. And so I kind of un-delete that based off of my goals and kind of, it's an easy way

Starting point is 00:46:43 for me to sort of stick with a calorie amount where I'm just slowly increasing that and like adding in more quality food like that. But then also like adding stuff like yams and like different types of carbohydrates that I'll tend to increase the carbohydrate amount as well. Yeah, for me it's, so one of my staple meals that just digest well for me, and I definitely can gain muscle off of it, and I feel good, is white rice, and either ground beef or ground lamb. And I'll get the ground beef or the ground lamb,

Starting point is 00:47:15 I'll cook it, season it, whatever, and I'll take the little bit of the grease that comes off of it, and I'll pour that in the rice with the meat, break up the meat in there, mix it all up, and it's like this big. That was like a staple meal for me for a schedule. And the only difference I had to that was I normally used ground turkey, the fatty or ground turkey, and I chopped up onions, and I would use the taco seasoning sauce on it, and that was like this. It's delicious. It's easy to digest, and when I eat it, I can eat a lot of it and feel okay.

Starting point is 00:47:45 And then there's my extra calories to build. The other one that I'll do is buckwheat. Buckwheat is probably, let's see, buckwheat and I'd say either sweet potatoes or yams are easily for me the most easy digestible carbohydrate that I can really pack on. I can, if I overeat other types of carbohydrates that start to bother me, I can eat a big ass bowl of, so I go to Whole Foods and they have this organic buckwheat cereal, so you just, you cook it in water

Starting point is 00:48:15 like you would cream a wheat or whatever. And it's like, it's all, it's so easy to digest. I can eat like 80 grams of carbohydrates or 100 grams of carbohydrates in one sitting. It's like a consistency, like a porridge or like an oatmeal kind of. It's almost in one sitting, it's like a consistency, like a porridge or like an oatmeal kind of. It's almost like grits. It's like grits, which grits is another one

Starting point is 00:48:30 that I can eat a lot of, but I try to stay away from too much corn because it's never organic. But I'll go with the buckwheat, I'll eat a big bowl of that in the morning with some other protein or whatever. And I don't feel like, oh, and you know, blow it to whatever. You know what I notice is if I, and it's funny because we're talking about building mass.

Starting point is 00:48:47 So when you think about building mass, most people are thinking like, Clawing surplus, surplus, surplus. And to Justin's note about underlating, man, I always feel amazing. So let's say, let's say I'm on my training routine. And today is Wednesday. And today I'm not lifting.

Starting point is 00:49:04 So today I'm gonna be like in a super, I'm gonna put myself in a major deficit or maybe even fast, even though I'm trying to build mass. Cause I'm off, I'm not lifting today, I don't need everything to get after my lift. And then the next day, the refueling before I go lift, that if I do a really good supercharger. Oh yeah, and like I Oh yeah, I can feel,

Starting point is 00:49:25 I can feel my body sucking up all the nutrients from it. I literally can't. And I can also tell when I'm like, because I, in the past I used to do the bulk, like everybody else did, where you bulged for three months or what I was at. You feel sluggish and oversaturated. Feel bogged down.

Starting point is 00:49:40 Yeah, like eating a certain meal doesn't ever affect me differently, because I'm always, your gas tank is all the way filled up all the time. That that meal just over spills of anything. It's not really. So I just read a study that shows that when they took a bunch of men

Starting point is 00:49:56 and then they had them go on a bulk. And within, I believe within two days, if I'm not mistaken, within two days, they had dramatic decreases in insulin sensitivity. Oh, I bet. two days, if I'm not mistaken, within two days they had dramatic decreases in insulin sensitivity. Oh, I bet. Two days. I bet.

Starting point is 00:50:09 So two days of going into like excess calories and just a lot of food, their insulin sensitivity already plummeted, which means you're not gonna really utilize that food the way you should and you could be causing problems, which is why now if I'm bulking, I do what, like Adam's talking about

Starting point is 00:50:23 where I do these mini bulks, where I'll have three days of a surplus, then I'll have a day of a deficit, and overall, it's a surplus, but I make sure to have those deficit days or a fast, and it's just way more effective. Yeah, because my body's more sensitive. I can feel it.

Starting point is 00:50:35 I literally can feel the difference coming off of fast, and then refueling, and my body, and ideally, I want that like steak and egg, and I want a meal like that. And for people denying that this makes a difference, because I know those people who are gonna be like, oh, insulin sensitivity, whatever, it doesn't make a big difference.

Starting point is 00:50:52 It fucking does. This is why bodybuilders who take anabolic steroids will inject themselves with insulin when they eat a lot of carbohydrates because they've got this huge insulin load. Now they're gonna get all this glycogen amino acids into their muscle cells and they build a lot of mass from it. That is a great point because that speaks to what I would see all the time because that was very, very popular within my peers and stuff while competing.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Which I don't recommend. Was taking insulin. Was taking insulin and that's why they take it for that exact reason and it's like man you could get some of those same effects if you just throw a fast in every once in a while or a deficit but most my competitors you're either on the bulk you're on the cut there's none of this like in between it's either aggressively bulking for three months living in a crazy surplus yeah putting on weight almost every day you know know what I'm saying? Because you're eating, eating. It's a hack. And I've been there.

Starting point is 00:51:47 I've been there before. So I totally understand that thought process and what you're trying to do and like struggling to put weight on. But it doesn't, it doesn't work that way. And if you actually allowed yourself to have a day in a deficit and then went back to pushing, you'll feel it. You would. No.

Starting point is 00:52:04 It's a hack. you're increasing insulin sensitivity, you're increasing your body sensitivity to protein, because there's evidence to show that all this protein all the time, your body becomes less efficient at using it. So it makes sense on many, many different levels. And again, for competitors, you guys know exactly what that's like.

Starting point is 00:52:20 One of the most anabolic feelings you could ever have in your entire life, even if you compare it to anabolic steroids, is the the post show muscles that you gain. And that was really what finally put it together for me when I realized so mind you, okay, think about a guy like me who's competing, I'm bulking, I'm dieting and for these shows, I'm on a consistent amount of steroids, I'm taking the same dosage the whole time, right? So there's no fluctuation there, only thing I'm manipulating is nutrition and cardio and weights and things like that. And nothing made my body feel more anabolic than the day after a show when I refed my

Starting point is 00:52:55 body and I trained. It was the best workout I would have all year long. And it was actually what made me really get excited and really enjoy competing and doing that was that feeling because I had never felt that before. I'd taken anabox before. I took anabox for all the way from when I was 20 something years old. So I know what that feels like. And then anybody that has knows like, oh man, when you take that, you can feel it.

Starting point is 00:53:18 But the feeling of the food, trumped that. It blew my mind. Oh, it's painful pumps. It blew my mind. It blew my mind. Oh, it's painful pumps. It blew my mind. It blew my mind What a difference that what it was is you know leading up to a show you're in a huge deficit for quite some time And your body is ultra sensitive to food to the point where I remember in peak week and before that like I I've told you guys this before I

Starting point is 00:53:39 Could feel my body I could take I could take in 30 grams of something and I could just feel it go through my body. I could feel it go into my muscles, could feel the energy all of a sudden go up because I was so ultra sensitive because I was so dialed in. So, undertaking from that, you know, it changed the way I bulked and cut it forever because I understood like, whoa, like that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:54:00 Like now, I'll never do a bulk where I live in this surplus for a long period of time, it just doesn't make sense. Next question is from Hope Granger. What was the point that you realized you stopped lifting to impress women and we're lifting to impress women? You know what's great about this? This is a look at what I'm doing. This is, it's funny, but it's actually a great question.

Starting point is 00:54:21 It's a very good question. First off, personally, for me, personally, I never lifted weights from press women. I could, I had no problem talking to girls. It wasn't an issue. In fact, it was years later that I realized that being, you know, building muscle from my weights was getting the attention.

Starting point is 00:54:38 I remember being a, I was either a sophomore or a junior in high school. It was hot outside. We had gone, you know, came off of break. I went inside, I was either a sophomore or a junior in high school. It was hot outside. We had gone, you know, came off of break. I went inside, I was in class. I took off my shirt and I had a wife beater on underneath. And this girl comes up to me and she's like, oh my God, look at your muscles.

Starting point is 00:54:55 And then another girl came and they were like, touching my arms. And I remember being like, oh, what? This is weird. I had no intentions of training and press girls with my muscles. It was all about impressing, man. And it wasn't because I wanted a date, guys, or anything my muscles. It was all about impressing man. And it wasn't because I wanted to date guys or anything like that. It was because I felt insecure.

Starting point is 00:55:08 I felt insecure. I wanted to be stronger, more muscular. I wanted to have that status. And I felt inadequate because I was a skinny kid. And the other reason why this is a great question is, most people, men and women, do what we do, we think we're doing it for the opposite sex and we are to an extent, but a large extent, possibly a larger extent, is for the same sex and this has to do with women too. Women criticize each other way more

Starting point is 00:55:40 harshly than a man, a man ever criticize women. That's true. You ever see women have to criticize their father or other women, right? true. You ever see women have the criticize of the entire other women. You know, like crazy. And they're like, I want that what she has. Yeah, and so a lot of people do this for the same sex. And it's not a, you know, it has nothing to do with sexual feelings. It's just you want to be regarded in a particular way

Starting point is 00:56:00 by your, what you would consider your peers, which happens to be, you know, if you're a man, other man, and if you're a woman, other woman. Yeah, I was funny. I remember distinctively when I was just working out my entire focus was to get to the next group. We had different groups of weight classes of strength. So like, when I was playing football, we had, you know, one class that, you know, it was, it was guys that were like, you know, 160, 165, and then you had like your 185s, and you can get the 200s and like over 200s kind of group. And I kind of started out in sort of the cornerbacks, those kind of like that weight class.

Starting point is 00:56:40 I was more skinny. And just over time, I would graduate into the next group, to the next group. I actually, by my junior, end of my junior year into my senior year, I was working out with all the strongest linemen and all these huge, you know, and that was like what I wanted to accomplish. It was visibly something that I wanted to get into that group because I saw what they're putting up numbers wise. And then as a result, I'm playing basketball and I have my shirt off and then like, yeah, same thing. Or like some cheerleader girls,

Starting point is 00:57:12 like came over and we're like, hey, what have you been doing? And they started like petting my abs and my arms. I'm like, this is weird. But awesome at the same time. But I was like, yeah, I'm like, awesome. I'm encouraging. Yeah. This isn't horrible. So I have a little this is weird. But awesome at the same time. But I was like, yeah, I'm like, awesome. I'm encouraging. Yeah. This isn't horrible.

Starting point is 00:57:26 So I have a little bit different experience. I went back and forth. So 100% I'm on the same page with the boys that, when I first started lifting, it was definitely an insecurity amongst my peers, my other boys, right? Because I was skinny, I was, no, I was made fun of for how skinny I was.

Starting point is 00:57:46 So definitely motivated by the insecurities of being the same size or bigger than my buddies. And like you guys, I remember starting to put size, but at that time, as a kid, what's going through my head isn't that. So if I'm being completely honest, I'm not thinking like, oh, I need to be bigger because my buddies are bigger or they're making fun of me.

Starting point is 00:58:09 That's what subconsciously drove me. But I thought like I'm gonna do it because the girls are gonna want me more when I do it. So I was doing it with the intent, thinking that I was doing it for the girls. When I realized that as I continued to get bigger and more muscle and more muscle, I wasn't getting any more real attention

Starting point is 00:58:28 from what I was when I didn't really lift. So I always dated, I always had girlfriends and I never had a, just like Sal was saying, I never had a problem getting a girl and it didn't really change much. I will say though, getting taking myself to a whole other level of fitness where, you know, this is getting closer to my late 20s where I had, you know, as a kid, remember, I graduated high school at 163 pounds.

Starting point is 00:58:57 So I'm 6 foot 2 and a half or whatever I want because I still grew after high school and I'm a rail. And it took me all the way into my mid 20s just to get like 180 pounds, 190 pounds. Then I'm to it. Now I walk around at 230. So now when I got in the 200s, I was shredded. The attention from the women that I got then was different than I'd ever experienced

Starting point is 00:59:23 in my whole whole young childhood. So then there became this part of me that did enjoy that piece of it. Although, as a guy, you always are comparing, you find yourself comparing yourself to other men. I don't like looking myself in the mirror and go, man, I hope the girls think I look good today. You know, it's like, it's your lifting

Starting point is 00:59:42 and you can't help but look around in the gym and look at other dudes. To this day, it's like, yeah, it's your lifting and you can't help but look around in the gym and look at other dude I to this day it's still a habit inside me when I go lift I always know I will always know I don't know I don't see any of the hot chicks Katrina always it she always thinks is fascinated by this because she'll ask me Which is this is how this conversation has happened many times with us. Did you see that one girl? She kept walking by you this and that she was doing dead lifts in front of you and like no, I didn't see her But I did see the big dude, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:07 I did see the bit, which is funny, right? Isn't that funny? That's how we have seriously programmed ourselves. Oh, it's so funny. And now, for me, I admire or respect it. If I see another man that has taken his physique to that level, it's not an insecurity thing on me of wanting to look that way, because I've taken my physique to that level. It's not an insecurity thing on me of wanting to look that way

Starting point is 01:00:27 because I've taken my physique to a very extreme level. So I don't go like, oh man, I want to look at that because most of the time I have or been better, it's more like, I know that guy works hard. I know he's put a lot of work in to be that way. So there's this admiral respect for it. So yeah, I definitely think that we were driven originally from that, I've felt it from the yeah, I definitely think that we were driven originally from that. I've

Starting point is 01:00:45 felt it from the women. It feels good. I've shared on this podcast before the feeling of being completely shredded. I'll tell you what, if you're a guy and you're listening, will being fit attract more women? Yeah, but it's not going to come anywhere close. I mean, we always talk about big rocks. Like, it ain't going to come anywhere close to becoming, to learning how to be charming and charismatic. Oh, and I have, I have, we always talk about big rocks. Like, it ain't gonna come anywhere close to learning how to be charming and charismatic. Oh, and I have, I have so many examples of experiences where I would go hang out with the buddy of mine who has shredded and handsome,

Starting point is 01:01:19 who had terrible, terrible game, and would get no attention. And then I've got buddies who are There's leeches. They're my game. I have buddies who are Outright unattractive not fit and would we go in a room and it was like within five minutes These dudes were like you have her and I've seen that so many times It may be like it doesn't like as it you definitely want to be healthy You don't want to be super unhealthy looking, but if you're kind of healthy,

Starting point is 01:01:46 if you look normal, but you've got, you know how to communicate and you've got charisma, that's it right there. 100%. This is why too though, I think that, you know, I think adversity and I think people that go through these tough times. And you know, like if I could talk to a kid

Starting point is 01:02:02 who's in their teens or even early 20s that is struggling with like this, like body I could talk to a kid who's in their teens or even early 20s that is struggling with like this like body and Magicians and stuff like that and thinking and letting that get caught up. It's like listen your ability to Be confident communicate regardless of that Will will trump what you could turn your body into for sure. I mean as a high schooler I was again 163 pounds my my two front teeth like I people don't know this I had braces, as a high schooler, I was, again, 163 pounds, my two front teeth, like I, people don't know this, I had braces after I left high school and they were completely turned in. So I crooked front, my two front teeth were completely turned in. So I had

Starting point is 01:02:35 fucked up teeth, okay? Skinny as fuck, you could see my rib cage. I drove around a three time, hand me down piece of shit, you know, vehicle to work. The Honda Civic, I had the same thing. But I raised the mobiles. And I for three or two and a half years of my high school career, I dated the hottest chicken school hands down the prom queen, the head cheerleader, like that was my girlfriend. And I remember being a kid, like thinking to myself, like, what the fuck is she doing with me? But I had personality because I had all that stuff against me,

Starting point is 01:03:06 I couldn't change that. I couldn't, my parents couldn't afford braces. So I was fucked up teeth, I got them. You know what I say? I had a car that got me two and from, so it's like, it's better than walking. So I owned it and I owned that character in that personality. And of course, I got teased and of course,

Starting point is 01:03:20 I got made fun of and all those things happened. But it built so much thick skin in me that I never let it really bother me. And it changed my character forever. And so I know when kids are going through things like that, they, you know, you go home and you cry and you feel so sorry for yourself about that. But it's like, you have no idea that if you can,

Starting point is 01:03:38 if you can be strong, if you can make it. It's turning that on its head. You can. And when you learn to do that, those characteristics will carry over into your adulthood and you'll surpass everybody else. And in fact, sometimes, many times, being super buffed works against you. Oh, every kid that was, every kid that was popular in school when I was a kid that because

Starting point is 01:03:59 he was buffing his body looked great because he was a little more mature. He hit puberty in like seventh grade. And so he was like kind of looking like, he had a beard already in high school. Like 100% that kid got a ton of attention in high school and star quarterback. All of the, at least in my experience, all of those dudes totally different position now in life.

Starting point is 01:04:18 Oh my God. Well, it totally different. 100% attest to that. 100%, right? That's in my face. But it's not only that, but you ever go to the club and you see like the dude that's like yacked, you know super buffed in a shirt But he's like obviously standing there posturing because he's super insecure about himself And he's just kind of looking around like hey, why aren't girls coming to talk to me?

Starting point is 01:04:36 Why aren't and they and nobody wants to talk to them because they're either they come across intimidating or weird Or they just insecure right, you know, I wonder if that's still the case now. Like, is there like the buff guy, you know? Of course there is. That's like, it's all the attention. Dude, his school hasn't changed very much. I don't know, man. I've seen a lot of like, uh, family dudes like walk around

Starting point is 01:04:56 like getting, you know, a lot of attention. I'm just like, what? It's like, who could be the most weird and eclectic? You know, like, uh Well, we're so sensitive. That is a good point, bro. I bet the hipster thing is much cooler now, right? So the skinny and the beard and the... I might have been a shift there, but I'm sure it'll come back.

Starting point is 01:05:14 Everything comes back full, sir. Yeah, you're right. Next question is from Sammy Junet. What is good posture? How can we develop good posture? And why do most people have terrible posture? We are in the middle of seeing this get worse right now. Yeah, we're creating this. Oh my God. I see patterns. I see for the first time in my life,

Starting point is 01:05:35 a majority of children have terrible posture. Isn't it great? That was never the case. You guys, I don't know how much you have. This is this is definitely like a... After I read that book, Irresistible, like they kind of get into this. And I remember like, after reading that, like I really started like, cause I don't really pay attention to the 17 year old, the 22 year old kids that are walking around so I thought, you know, my, anybody really,

Starting point is 01:05:57 but it made me kind of be like, man, I wonder, are they worse than what we were? And I started looking at all, you can see the rounded shoulders and the forward head. Really bad. Really bad. And step, now I'm used to seeing that as a trainer

Starting point is 01:06:10 in my whole career, right? But I normally see that on someone who's like 40, 45 engineers, worked at computers, sit at desk all day long. When I have the phone. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The phone, when you look at somebody walking and texting on their phone and look at their posture while they're doing it Yeah, and think about how much and then you think that we are picking up our phone on average 55 times a day

Starting point is 01:06:31 And we're spending over two and a half hours on it. Dude, it's like it's on mini gravity Just like pulling them towards it. Dude poor posture You're you're usually not born with it. Of course unless you have some kind of you know Deformality or genetic you know issue But for the most part you're not born with it poor posture is developed you develop poor posture you have some kind of, you know, deformality or genetic, you know, issue. But for the most part, you're not born with it. Poor posture is developed. You develop poor posture over time,

Starting point is 01:06:51 and it's scary because you do see it now in kids where you never saw poor posture. What I will say in defense of that, there are some people, and it runs in my family. Like, all of our spines are a little bit different. So I know somebody out there right now is going to be like, that's not true. I was diagnosed with this really early.

Starting point is 01:07:05 There's certain people that are born with a structure that is less advantageous than others, right? And that's why we have some people that are more athletic. They're just, their structure is better than others. So yes, there are structures out there. I just want to clarify that. Well, that's a good point because good posture, when people say what is good posture,

Starting point is 01:07:23 it looks a little different from person to person because there are differences between individuals. The other thing too, and this is going to be controversial, is does diet play a role in poor posture? There's some evidence to suggest that it does. There's some evidence to suggest that grain heavy diets can cause increased instances of needing braces, increased instances of changes in people's postures and bone development Well, why wouldn't it because food 100% can affect your mood and your mood will absolutely affect your posture

Starting point is 01:07:55 That's one way and they've got studies to prove that and back that up So I you would think that if somebody is eating poor and not feeling good, and then they're then in turn affects their mood, and if they're depressed or not, and then that affects their posture. Good posture, if you were to define good posture, you have to look at the entire body. It is a snapshot, here's the thing, by the way. If you have good standing posture,

Starting point is 01:08:18 that doesn't mean you have good function. It's just a snapshot of you standing there. You can have what looks like good posture because you practice good posture, but then when the person goes to move and do things like a squat or a lunge or twist or run or walk or whatever, now they've got poor recruitment patterns. So I want to be clear, it's just one thing, for example, as a trainer, it's one thing I look at, but there's a lot of things that I look at.

Starting point is 01:08:42 Well, there's less favorable patterns that we notice like that stand out, you know, immediately. And that's something, those are things we like to address to see, you know, if this will eliminate a lot of, you know, the dysfunction, the tightness, the, you know, the imbalances that, you know, create interruptions in the kinetic chain where it's like, you know where the weak links are.

Starting point is 01:09:04 But, you know, it's not always a case because people can really overcompensate for what they've been doing pattern-wise and you see this in athletics all the time, you see people like that just hone in on this way that they're holding their body and stabilizing their spine. So, good posture is effortless, effortless, meaning you're gonna stand there, things are in balance, head is on top of your shoulders, your feet are active,

Starting point is 01:09:30 you know, your knees are soft, you know, hips are where they should be, you don't have an excessive tilt with your pelvis, you know, your shoulders are on forward, they're kind of balanced, but it's effortless. Good posture shouldn't be something you think about. If you have to think about it, that means it's not your posture. That means it's your consciously trying to stand. Right. Or, you know, the scary part is that, you know, a lot of the younger

Starting point is 01:09:53 generation right now that is developing really poor posture early on, they're not getting the signals yet that are letting them know how bad it is because the aches and pains haven't really said it. They're so young, their bodies can handle it right now. They haven't been putting stress on it for 20, 30 years of their life. So a lot of these, a lot of the poor posture we see right now aren't people coming in going like, oh, I have neck pain. I have low back pain yet, but it's going to be interesting to see that. You're actually seeing it. You're actually seeing a rise in children with back pain, neck pain, shoulder pain.

Starting point is 01:10:27 Yeah, it's crazy. You are seeing it, which, you know, kids never went to the doctor for back pain unless they hurt their back doing something. Right. But now you've got kids complaining of back pain, chronic back pain because of their problems. Well, I told you guys, this one really, really bothered me

Starting point is 01:10:44 and it was a really tough situation. I'm like, how do I handle this? Because Katrina's brother, his son, he couldn't even, he's only, let's see here, he's 10 right now, nine or 10. And he couldn't sit down in a full squat. He'd sit down that, he was trying to, like I was playing around with my little niece, who's even younger and trying to teach her how to balance on one leg in down in that position. He was trying to admit, like, I was playing around with my little niece who's even younger and trying to teach her how to balance on one

Starting point is 01:11:07 leg in a pistol squat position. And she was kind of like mimic and we're having fun. And he saw it and he came over and he come run over and he's like, Oh, what are you guys doing? And then he got down. And I said, he just when he went down in that position, his heels came off the ground like three inches. And in order for him to sit in that position, he couldn't sit back on his heels. And I was like, whoa, this kid's only 10 years old already and he's losing connection.

Starting point is 01:11:28 It was like the first kind of like, whoa, moment for me that you're seeing this happen at that young of an age where you're losing something that's so functional and so basic. And then that's, and what you see when you see something like that, that's the kid who in eight years from now finds mind pump, finds maps and then goes, I can't squat. You know, I can't squat.

Starting point is 01:11:49 What can I do instead of squatting? Because squatting hurts my back and it's too hard for me to do or hurts my knees. And they were just unaware. They didn't have these abilities. Right, you know, they've just gone through. Yeah, he doesn't know that. Yeah, he doesn't, he, like I didn't say.

Starting point is 01:12:01 And that was what I struggle with is like, is it my place to say something or do something or help him like, and I remember telling Katrina that, like man, like what do I do? That's why, you know, kinesthetic learning and the human body, like it needs, it's a language, like moving and movement in itself is a language that you constantly need to be communicating with.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Oh, that's a great fucking language. It's just, you know, it's just like one of those things that people like completely disregard that this is something that is learned and needs to like keep, you know, part of the education process. It is not all cognitive. What a brilliant line.

Starting point is 01:12:39 Movement is a language that you need to practice. That's brilliant. It is, and I'm glad I came up with that. You know, every time. I don't know how you guys have been or not, but I stay in contact with a lot of people, especially people that I used to train for a very long time.

Starting point is 01:12:55 And so, you know, and a lot of them still listen to the show. So shout out to all my favorite clients that still tune in. But I have all of them on either Prime Pro or Prime, and much of their training is actually that even more than it is lifting weights. Because much of the clients that I've dealt with most of my career, yeah, they wanted to lose 15 or 20 pounds or build a little bit of muscle.

Starting point is 01:13:20 All of them just wanted to feel fucking better. And it's really changed how I coach and teach people. It's like, you know what, I can teach you to build some muscle. I can teach you to burn some fat right now, but that's not necessarily going to get rid of that low back pain, that shoulder issue, that neck issue, that knee issue that you have going on. That's really the lack of movement, the poor connection that you have. And let me show you the things that you should be doing.

Starting point is 01:13:43 So this now, and so I talk to all of them that their priority is to live in prime and prime pro. And then when you have more time and you want to accelerate your goals and you want to get that extra five pounds of muscle or lose 15 pounds of fat, then we move into all the other programming. But this is, I mean, that was why we were all so excited about prime and prime pro as being so revolutionary because not a lot of trainers and programmers or people that sell online programs

Starting point is 01:14:09 are really positioning themselves this way. And we all knew that how important it was for even the regular clients that were trained, it's gonna become necessary for this generation coming up that they will have to implement habits like this because the stuff they do. You have to think about it before that really because you know recess and you know more jobs had had more activity involved with what we just weren't looking at our phones we just weren't looking at our

Starting point is 01:14:35 phone our phone we we I mean fuck the iPhones only been around for a few years really you know it's funny this crucial now so while while we're talking about this I'm looking up trying to find statistics and on the back pain you know neck pain neck pain rise, because it's been, it's already been talked about. And the funny thing is I find these articles about, you know, and they acknowledge like back pain and neck pain are on the rise. There are kids going to the doctor for those things are on the rise and they used to be non-existent to the point where in the past, if your kid complained of back pain or neck pain, you took him, you were supposed to, you would recommend that you take him right away to the doctor because it could mean something bad, it could mean something wrong with their kidneys or, you know, meningitis or something like that.

Starting point is 01:15:14 But now they're saying the pain more often that doesn't mean those things and you know what they're saying is causing it, what they're saying. Posture. No, backpacks. Like, can you fucking believe it? Which is not, that's not what's causing it because we all wore backpacks. Well, here you fucking believe it? Which is not, that's not what's causing it. Because we all wore backpacks. Well, here's, but it's like, it is, it is, right? It is though.

Starting point is 01:15:30 In their defense, it is causing it because they have poor posture and they're loading it. Sure. It's just like if somebody with poor posture gets down and squat, what a great fucking point right there. Yeah. That is the same thing that people that, they want to dress the room, that people, that people, that people exactly the same problem when people hurt their back or have their squatting bothers them. It's because they're loading a bad posture and then trying to squat

Starting point is 01:15:52 You can get away with it a lot of times with unloaded, you know situations, right? Yeah, once you add that like extra resistance to a bad recruitment pattern, and then of course they blame us for all they blame the squat or the backpack exactly That's why I meant why it's such a great point is that everybody blames the squat. I don't know if you guys saw Joe Hannah's post the other day. He reposted not ripped toe. Who was it?

Starting point is 01:16:13 Fuck another good. Who was the guy who's does is all by all unilateral stuff for his athletes? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike Boyle. Mike Boyle, thank you. So Mike, he post. Yeah, he reposted a thing about Mike Boyle and saying that,

Starting point is 01:16:26 you know, squat, he doesn't think that squatting is necessary and some people have different femur lengths and I kind of responded like, well, you know, it's long femurs are not what stop people from squatting, you know, sure, I have long femurs and I know, and I can totally attest to, because of that, squatting was more difficult for me, but it required more work.

Starting point is 01:16:45 It required more, I needed way more ankle mobility than the average person because of how long my femurs are. So yeah, okay, you could have longer and that's where genetics do play a role and structure does make it more or less challenging for certain people. It doesn't mean you eliminate a fucking movement that we learn to do before we learn to fucking walk. So yeah, the backpack and the loaded squat and blaming backpacks or squats. Well, it's not the movement.

Starting point is 01:17:09 And I know Dr. Brink has been on here multiple times. It's like, it's not the squat that's hurting you. Right. It's you. It's you. And you're not going through the prerequisites to perform the squat correctly and have that kind of communication established. So if that's, if you're somebody that's liked that and you have been avoiding squats

Starting point is 01:17:27 that reason, I just urge you to dive into prime pro because that is a heavy motivator for us on why we created that program and it was created with Dr. Brink. So if you're, if you are somebody who's limited from squatting, it bothers your back and so you've avoided it for a long time. Stop avoiding it. And what I'd say, stop avoiding, doesn't mean just go squat. It means go address the issues. And that's how we designed Prime Pro was to address those that teach you how to address them, how to figure it out. Like where is your where are you not connected? And then what movements you should be doing that was the whole idea the program perfect and a lot of these movements can be found on our youtube channel for free

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