Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 629: Value of a Spotter when Lifting, Orange Theory's Heart Rate Training, Hangover Remedies & MORE

Episode Date: November 1, 2017

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about their hobbies outside of fitness, bouncing back from a night of heavy drinking, the benefits of a spotter and the heart rate zone training of Orange Theory. Sal busts Adam’s balls over his nuts? (5:25) Sal, private school shopping (6:05) Guys talk high school reunions (20:43) Diet soda lawsuit (23:10) Quah question #1 – What are your hobbies outside fitness and optimization? (31:56) Quah question #2 – Do you have a go-to routine to bounce back from a night of drinking? (41:10) Quah question #3 – Is there a benefit for someone to spot you? Force rep vs. rep doing by yourself. (1:05:39) Quah question #4 – Please explain the heart rate zone training of Orange Theory? (1:16:07) Related Links/Products Mentioned: Thrive Market (Official Mind Pump sponsor) One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more Harker School $22,000-a-year preschool: San Jose’s The Harker School opens next month (article) Fast Facts - National Center for Education Statistics In national rankings, California schools not exactly ahead of the class (article) These diet sodas are actually making people fat: suit (article) Obama signs bill overturning Vermont’s GMO labeling law (article) Stranger Things | Netflix Official Site Organifi (Official Mind Pump sponsor) Coupon Code "mindpump" for 20% off Activated Charcoal: Uses and Risks – WebMD Passiflora Urban Dictionary: Bear Fight What Are Forced Reps & Should You Do Them? (article) Excess post-exercise oxygen consumption Effects of exercise intensity and duration on the excess post-exercise oxygen consumption. (study) Orangetheory Fitness Hit Makers: The Science of Popularity in an Age of Distraction - Derek Thompson (book) Featured Guests & People Mentioned: Andrew Hill, PhD (@AndrewHillPhD)  Twitter Andy Galpin (@DrAndyGalpin)  Twitter/Instagram 4x Mr. Olympia Physique Champ (@jeremy_buendia) Instagram Mike Matarazzo Brendon Ayanbadejo (@brendon310)  Instagram Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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I refuse to go to mine. Lane. And the lawsuits against... Popula. The law. He's got no friends. The lawsuit. You guys are my friends, right? The last two, and the last two to get to the soda companies,

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And do we think it impacts us? How are we? Clownsuit. And our abilities and perspectives. You what? You do what? I have no friends. You're so weird. You what? You do what? I have no friends. You're so weird.

You didn't know that about me. The next question was, do we have a go-to routine to bounce back after a night of drinking just and lays down the wisdom in that question? Oh yeah. He's very experienced. I navigate. Then we talk about the benefit of having, what is the difference between having someone spot you and giving you a force prep versus you stopping short on your own?

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leave a great review. If we like it, you'll get a free t-shirt and these shirts are worth a lot of money. How about the Can City podcast, making fun of my voice? Oh my God, Did I love them? Yeah, intro. That was so funny. I was dying. You know what's you know what it is? We're so hospitable. They're like oh we're friends now. Yeah, we're not that close now We're gonna fuck with you. We're not that close. Yeah, you can't make fun of the the maps Doritos were pretty awesome

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So talk about saving money, because, and thank you Thrive Market for saving a shit ton of money for these purchases, because I'm gonna need it, dude. This weekend, I went and did these open houses at some of these private high schools around here. Yeah. I don't want to name what they are,

because you don't like to put, you know, where my kids go, all that stuff. But they're in the, you know, in the house is at some of these private high schools around here. Yeah. I don't want to name what they are because you know, I don't like to put, you know, where my kids go, all that stuff, but they're in the, you know, in the area, I'm looking at these private schools. First of all, you guys went to public school, right? Yeah. So did I. And I'm going to straight up, the public school system

in California generally is shit. So it's generally sucks. Totally. Oh, I'll teach you something. That's. Oh, our teachers are less than this. That's okay. Certain areas that are better than others. Part of the reason why it sucks is not because of the teachers, it's really not the teachers fault and many, many cases.

I think, we don't need to get into that, but I do think that teachers that do really well don't even get compensated for it, and then there's problems with getting rid of bad ones, and that's part of it, But nonetheless, it's just bad especially for like if you buy a house in San Jose in the worst part of San Jose You're gonna spend like three-quarters of a million dollars. You know what I'm saying right right and then you have a public school that you got to send your kids to that is

Horrible on top of it. So it's just it's just obvious things obviously things are super expensive here, but these high schools, dude, the difference between private elementary and then private high school, or no, no, no, no, no, I forget the price, because it is expensive on top of, you know, paying my taxes for public school, I'm not gonna use,

then I have to pay extra for the school that I'm gonna send my kids to, but it's a different world, like I remember my high school that I went to, and it wasn't necessarily a bad, it wasn't really a bad high school, but the difference in the quality of the, like these high school campuses like college dude, it's like walking on a college campus.

I'm going in the science department or whatever, and it's like laboratories. Like I don't remember any of this stuff in school. I'm going to the robotics, they have the they one of these high schools They they're like the reigning champions of the world for robotics I go in the robotics lab or whatever and I'm like I feel like I'm in like Tesla, you know, I mean with these kids working on these robots and there's like 3d printers and the teachers are like super Like you know in there and there's kids touring everybody wearing certain

ties and you know the guys wearing certain ties and the girls are all professional and the way they're talking and I'm just like holy shit like it's another world dude it's a whole nother why couldn't imagine being in that world growing up and you know where I may have been or what what I always wonder that same thing to this is an ongoing debate between the irony is Katrina and I don't have kids and it's an ongoing debate that we have all time. Cause she grew up in public school and so did her siblings, but you know,

my mom, my best friend, they're in teaching and half my family's teachers. Yeah, you know, so I have a ton of teachers and principals and vice principals and so that in my family. And anyone that's in the system is like, if you can afford to put your kids in private school, put your kids in private school, and that's them saying that working in public schools, you know, and they know it's just, it's not, you can't

compare, you can't get, you don't get the same type of attention, there's less control on it, it's, it's, you know, and it's not to say that you can't come. But it's great, it's breaks the bank, dude. Yeah, especially around here, because, you know, in it's not to say that you can't come. But it breaks the bank, dude. Yeah. Especially around here, because, you know, in Silicon Valley, everything is crazy.

Like, everything is super expensive. So no matter because there's so much competition. Well, it's in college, right? It's the high schools over here for private are like. 20 grand a year. Yeah, you'll be spending, if you count books and everything, close to 100 grand for four years of high school.

That's crazy, dude. But, but, years of high school. That's crazy. But, but, and you're right, it is crazy. But when you, like I've taken, because I've done open houses at the public schools, because I'm like, okay, that's, you know, the high schools and stuff, there's no, it's like a totally different world. It's completely different. Like just the resources that they have and the, just everything. Like at one of the high schools I was going,

I went to, they have a science department that works with NASA. You know what I'm saying? So like if you have a kid that is like a high performing kid and you're really involved or whatever, like it's a, it's a, let's go get some buzz. It's buzz Aldrin in the mix here.

It creates like crazy opportunities. Nonetheless, I'm gonna have to start saving him. I'll be driving the Jetta for a while. Yeah, I guess. Mine pump can blow up, and I'll be driving my Jetta, dude, because it's a brakes the pain. Like son, you gotta use the internet, that's my, yeah. I told my kid, it's either pay for high school or college,

take a pic, because I can do both. Well, didn't you see some of these parents that be popping out three, four, five kids and we think it is god damn dude. That's like, don't give me start with that. Well, some of the private schools, was it Harker? Yeah. You know how much Harker cost? Do Harker's insane.

Harker Elementary School is the elementary school 40, I think $40,000 a year. Yeah. For the elementary school. I had a good client. You kids are first grade, $40,000 a year. Yeah. For the elementary school. See, the kid's a first grade, right? Yeah, I quite is. Like, what are you teaching my kid in first grade? That's right. It's what 40,000 do.

Yeah, what was I consistent? When you think about that, when it's that much money, if whatever profession you or your wife have, you could almost like not work and just stay home and dedicate yourself and a teaching to this kid. Well, what's almost the same. So it's crazy about this to me, which is, I can see why some people get angry about it,

especially if you're like, you know, you work hard and you want your kids, everybody. Here's the thing that all parents are most parents having common, not all parents, some parents are shit, but most parents having common is that we just want what's best for our kids. We just want the best for our children. We love our kids, we want them to do well, we want them to have in common is that we just want what's best for our kids. We just want the best for our children. We love our kids.

We want them to do well. We want them to have the same opportunities or the right opportunities. This doesn't work that way. Life isn't like that. Some kids have better opportunities. I can see why some people get angry, but the part that's crazy is that even if you have the money, let's say you've got the money and you go to some of these schools and you're like, okay, I'm going to pay 40 grand a year.

It doesn't guarantee your kids even gonna go there. It's competitive even at that level. Wow. You know what I'm saying? You still have to apply to get in. You still have to apply and yeah, it's just crazy. It's all about the network, I mean for the most part. Yeah, the education is great and the resources, but the network that they place you with,

like you said, NASA, like if you have a communication channel open with fucking like people full of NASA. And when you look at it like a case of you, you need to internship. You grow up with these kids, right? So, you know, and if you have a normal childhood with friendships and relationships with other students, there's a good likelihood, especially going through, you know, a private school like that, that if you don't turn out to be or get the job at NASA, that one of your friends or what I thought,

like the percentage of those kids that go on to do and make really good money or go on to bigger colleges and then go on from there. Like, I mean, the rates, I can't remember, I'm sure you know, because you've been there, but I looked at it before a long time ago and it's like, it's huge difference, right? Well, there's a lot of factors to consider too,

because I was thinking about this quite a bit. I'm like, okay, because you can look at the numbers. Like if a kid goes through private school system, the odds that they go to college are far higher. They're typically, you know, they'll do better in school. Typically the classes they'll take will be more advanced and blah, blah, blah, and these are just objective numbers. But there's a lot of factors in there, right?

Like okay, maybe the school's better, maybe the teachers are more involved. You know, you could make an argument that teachers may be more involved because there's more of a motivation in the sense that in private school's teachers, if they perform well, probably can get rewarded more if they do bad, they'll get booted, that whole thing. But then there's this other factor in the sense that the parents that can afford to send their kids to private schools, so there's that environment at home. And then maybe also the parents who send their kids

to these schools may find education to be more important and place more importance on the school. I was more involved. I was just saying all these factors. I would imagine that if I'm a parent and I'm spending $40,000 a year on my kid to go to school, I'm definitely heavily invested in his homework. What the fuck are you doing? You know, saying like, yeah, I'm not paying 40 credit a year. You can't, you're kids like, I don't, you know, I can't just like, you know,

know for the teacher. Your kid didn't do so work. You just see like, I don't know, you're a kid just like, you know, for the teacher. You're a kid who's homework, you just see dollar signs like this. Right away. So it's different, right? Like if it's, I could easily see if my kids go into public school and those things slacking off

and it's like, oh, we'll wait till report card comes out and like, hey, you need to get your grades up whatever the case may be, right? But when you're showing out, when you're having to drive your jedda and you don't get to drive your Lamborghini that you want. Well, if money means something to see you like that.

Because you're paying for this little shit to go through school, well the fucker better be coming home doing his homework every day, and dad will be there waiting for you to make sure you do. He's like, dad, I want to be an artist. No, son, I'm sorry, you have to be a brain surgeon. In order for me to get a return to the money I've invested. Brain surgeon or corporate attorney. Well, then you've got to see the other end of that, right?

Like the, the, the kid that just totally rebels, you know, like the, the, the parent that just has the money just sends them to that school and expects it all to happen. It's passive with it. I mean, it's, it's, it's still there. We were actually having this conversation ironically this weekend. We had a bunch of family over and stuff and did pay a Katrina's family's house. And my uncle had a really rough upbringing, so did I.

And you know, my uncle's done very, very well for himself. And because of that, you know, he had kids that he put, they had everything. I mean, I remember being a kid. I'll never forget. I've shared on the show before that like, was like my you know childhood movie, right? I still have to watch that. Yes, keep talking about it. So. Semi-an-anger.

Right. So I always wanted like, you know, the the Harrow or the Mongoose bike or whatever like that. And I was like 10, 12, 13 years old. That was like my dream bike. And you know, my parents, I remember when I finally got a bike, it was like the BMX, like $80 bike, you know, that wasn't the $400 or $600 GT or Harlem or whatever. And my cousins that were like four and five years old had like Mongoose bikes with training wheels on them.

Like, they're not even old enough to know what the bikes they were. They were riding and like the Roll, Royce Power Wheels, everything. Everything. My uncle, I mean, I remember being a kid and they had like this huge TV in their bedroom and every video gaming system, like they just had everything. And then, you know, I know my uncle, now him being older, he struggles with that, you know, wishing that his kids had the same drive and as he does and they just, they don't have it, you know, and now he's finding some, he's got three of them, you know, that he's still kind of financially helping. He's got to do them that, you know, he's paying for, and he's got another one.

It doesn't get it for sure. Doesn't guarantee success. That's a huge myth. You know, I mean, the drug use rate and private schools can be pretty high. And there are some public schools in California that rank pretty high, but it's typically in the ones that are, you know, super inaccessible, like you have to buy a $3 million house to go to them or whatever. And I remember my business, I had a wellness studio. My wellness studio is in Los Gatos, which is a very expensive part of Silicon Valley, you know, average house, there's probably $2 million or whatever. And I remember there was like a five-year period where there were suicides happening at the high school there. Like one suicide is you hear about one at a high school and that's that blows you away because they're not super common. There were like three or something like that that happened over a course of a five-year period and

it makes you wonder you know I mean it makes you wonder if the parents are just not involved or if there's I don't know. So it doesn you wonder, you know what I mean? It makes you wonder if the parents are just not involved or if there's, I don't know. So it doesn't guarantee success, you know, whatsoever. Cause you do see a lot of these celebrity kids too where they're super spoiled and they become just assholes and douchebags. I mean, I just want my kids to be,

to fulfill, you know, to feel fulfilled and to be at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's always gonna come back down to the parenting, right? Like we could talk, we could always talk about the systems and all the shit that could be better or unfortunate. Parents are the biggest role. Yeah. However involved you are with the process.

Right. You need to determine things. Right. Because I could see how my kid goes to private school, if I had a kid, goes to private school or a public school, and I could see him turning out either way based off of really on my involvement in that whole process. If you're a parent who invests $40,000 a year to put them in private school and you think that's just the answer and so then you have a very poor relationship with your child and

you just think that, oh, the school will take care of him being successful later, you're probably up for a surprise later on. There's also, you can't forget like challenges in life. You know, they can forge incredible individuals. Well, this is what my uncle was saying this week. And he's like, you know, my biggest regrets. He says, I wish I allowed more adversity for my kids growing up.

He says, they needed it. I've been looking, he says, looking back now, is there all in their late 20s and mid 20s? And he's like, and where they're at in their life. He's like, man, I guess they didn't have enough. He was trying to protect him because he felt he had too much of adversity to overcome, and that's what made him to who he is today.

And then by protecting them too much and not allowing them to go through some adversity, now he has these kids that just don't seem to want to struggle at all because they've had it, they've had it handed to them for most their life. By the way, when I say that the California Public Schools are just terrible, I'm talking about the rankings, like we're 42 in the nation, by the way.

So one of the richest states, and I think if not the richest state, and we're 42 in the nation, so it is pretty bad. I'm just being objective here, it's not just my opinion, there's actual amount of average here. You should see, by the way, the weight rooms of these high school gyms, because of course, you know, I'm like, yeah, D1 college weight rooms.

I'm doing the tour, you know, and it's the students that are touring us. And I was really impressed with the kids, by the way, super poised and charismatic and, you know, well spoken. And then at the end, you can just walk around yourself. And so I'm going inside of these classrooms and stuff. And I'm like, oh, I want to go see the gym. And dude, it's fucking platforms and like rubber plates. And I remember my high school gym had a universal machine.

It like, I think one squat rack, if I wasn't mistaken, it was just terrible. I was as big as this studio, no, just this fart box. It was horrible. It was just like squat racks and benches and like one platform and just smell. Well, I met duct tape on the fucking on the seat.

I was like, get me out of here. But I met the, I met. I got big. I would talk to like the strength in conditioning, like, I don't know if there were coaches or coordinators, if whatever you would call them. And then we'd say, we were sitting there talking about programming and stuff like that. And I'm like, oh shit, like, this is legit, like they're legit, you know, strength coaches who understand exercise programming because I don't remember any of that at all. But again, keep in mind I went to high school, you know,

a little while ago yesterday and in the black and white days, TV was like, no, didn't you did you just pass your 20 year reunion? I did You did you go? No, come on man. You didn't go to? I did. Did you go? No. Come on, man. You didn't go to the 20s? No. What? It was, I don't know how many times I have to say this.

School for me. We should have gone for him. It was so unmemorable that I couldn't even, I would go and I'd be like, what? You know, like, okay. So unmemorable for me. I want to go to my 20. I want to go to my 20. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't go to any of the other ones,

but 20 I feel like that's a long time. Yeah, then you'll see some dramatic change in people. A lot. I know that I kind of see people on social media that I hadn't seen in years, and like everybody is very, very different. So it just be interesting to see everybody after 20 years, who's where in their life.

I enjoyed high school. Everybody talked shit about it. I enjoyed it. You were in a small town kind of, a small town. He's a tiny community. Yeah, that's how our mind was it. I think that's totally different

than when you go to, when you're in a big city. Yeah, you're probably right. You know what I mean? I feel like it's a different feel because I've had friends who went to those kinds of schools and it was very different. Do you remember? You know what though?

It's funny is the high school's over here, which I don't know, Justin's, but they're not that much bigger than my little small town high schools. We only have one high school in the whole town. So, you know, San Jose has got like 20 something or whatever. Shit tons of school. Yeah, they have like 20 something high schools, but they're all relatively,

because I think there's like a range, like, what'd you get that like three to five thousand students? Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily the size of the school. It's that there's so many so like like okay So when I manage the the first gym that I ever managed was a 24-feet instance Salinas It's the red across the street from the the rodeo over there and when I'll never forget like My first there was a high school game that came up like the second month or whatever high school football game and

I remember the town was like shut down for a high school football game. I'd never seen that before. Yeah, that was a lot. Because in San Jose, there's so many schools that nobody really cares. But in towns like that, it's like, you see posters. That's like a thing to do. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like a total, it's like a big deal. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome for us. Our town was to, you only had one main street. And then anytime we had a home football game game like all the windows of all the stores or painted all the high school colors and the shit like that like you just all downtown they had like this one gas station that would like you could go in and get a deal for you like war your jersey and everything and so they're like they would give back a lot Yeah, to the high school that's awesome. You know what else I want to bring up?

You sent me that article, and someone else had sent me that article right before you, that, did you guys, did you see Justin? I posted it on my Instagram. So is it the soda companies or the artificial suite in the field? No, no, so the soda companies are getting soon, so it's, I didn't read that.

It's Diet Coke, it's Pepsi company, it's Snapple. Because they're saying that the Asper team, they lied to them, that they wouldn't make them fat. It's picking Coke, it's Pepsi company, it's Snapple. Because they're saying that the Asper team, you know, they lied to them, that they wouldn't make them fat. It's picking me fat. And now there's some studies that show that it may contribute to diabetes and obesity. So what's interesting,

dude, this is huge. It is huge. People realize how big this is huge. And that's why I posted it just, it's just assholes. I posted on my Instagram, and it's so divided on the way I feel. Well, so do I.

Okay, let me tell you why I haven't responded to anybody who's responding on my page right now because I don't want people to, I'd rather talk about on the show where I can explain myself because there's parts of it that I'm pro. Like I'm all forward the law. I'm all four people suing them. And then there's parts of me that are just like,

take responsibility for yourself. Right, so that, because you want to keep them accountable, right? For like putting shit out there, but at the same time, you're the ones that are consuming it. Right. And that's where I'm a little torn. But here's so when I read about the news article about it, I'm more in support than I am against because so this is different than when people sued McDonald's for making mopis. Because at the time, well, McDonald's wasn't marketing themselves

as a place to diet either. That's right. Diet sodas are presenting themselves. Like, this is a better way, this is a healthier way for you to eat. So they're not suing the, the different of McDonald's came out and said, you know, this is the fast,

this is weight loss fast. This is the healthiest way to eat. Yeah, this is fast food weight loss. Then I think that I would be more behind those losses. This is similar to this reminds me of a healthy burger. This reminds me of when people sued the tobacco companies because the tobacco companies came out and said, we don't cause cancer, we're not addictive.

Then the studies came out and they're like, it does cause cancer. So then the family members of people who got lung cancer sued them. It's similar in the sense because when I'm reading the news articles, it says that they're being sued for misleading ads. And what's misleading is that the artificial sweeteners boost cravings for high calorie foods promote inflammation, affect the vascular system, and-hormones in the microbiome. So, which is true.

It is true. Studies are showing that and more and more studies are coming out to support that. So and it is a bit misleading, right? Because diet soda, it's like a healthy alternative. It's different. Yeah, exactly. It's different. If they were to have named it a long time ago as aspartane coke or called it, you know, whatever

You know, and it wasn't called diet coke or diet snaple or diet I mean when you when you put that in there, you're implying that this is for people that are trying to lose weight Yeah, that it's healthier for you that it's better for you or it's it's it's and which is also takes us back to the whole Discussion of the shakes and using that as a weight loss strategy and like we talked about that one doctor that one day So I'm torn on how I feel because I believe that Obviously we should all be accountable accountable, and I don't believe in suing people because we're too dumb to see through advertising but you know it is very misleading you and you think about

Where we've been going with diabetes and obesity in the last 10, 15 years, we're getting worse before we're getting better. So here you have products like this that are supposed to be on the market to help people and in reality, it's probably accelerating the issue that's happening right now because people are confused on what's happening to them.

They have no idea because they're not educating themselves. So that's partially their own fault. But then if these lawsuits don't happen, then who's gonna finally stop it? Yeah, you're bringing awareness. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's the only angle I really see. And I do understand where you're coming from with that because I just I'm just repulsed by all the lawsuits that exist out there. I feel like oh, it's. I'm so over it. I'm so over people not taking responsibility for what they're doing and trying to just take down whoever they can to profit off of them. And I understand it from real circumstantial cases

where it makes sense, but the overall theme of today is way overly litigious. Oh yeah, for sure, but this is such a, people, I don't think a lot of people realize how big of a deal this is. If they win, which I doubt, and I'll tell you why I doubt that they're gonna win, I doubt they're gonna win because the companies that manufacture and make

these products are massive. And they're all gonna get together. And they're gonna make their, they're gonna say all we have said is that these sodas don't have calories and don't have sugar and that that can help you lose weight, which you can make that case. The sewers are trying to say,

hey, this is bad for us and you, you know, you're not telling us. And then they're gonna say, we didn't know it was bad for you because the studies are inconclusive. In fact, FDA is still saying're not telling us. And then they're gonna say, we didn't know it was bad for you because the studies are inconclusive. In fact, FDA's still saying that. So I don't think they're gonna win. But if they did win, holy fuck, that would set a precedent.

That would destroy these companies. Cause everybody would come out of the woodworks and would start suing these companies. Yeah, it's, it will, it's not the right. No matter what, it's gonna shake some shit up. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And we called it, we called this a long time ago,

like the one I'm going to make another call in right now because they've had it for, I think, four plus years now. And we're barely starting to see it be advertised, watch the push and advertising the green coax now, watch the push on that. You've been, they've been, they've had them for over four years. Many people that have heard this show and has talked about them a bunch of institute plan C. No, it's 100% you got to know, that's how smart these companies are, right? They've had it in place for this is like pull

the parachute now, we head over here while everybody else wasn't prepared. And I don't know how many of these other companies have done what Coca-Cola did by having this line that is real sugar and stevia. So you get kind of the best of both worlds. It's a little bit lower calorie than it's all. It's used a natural sweetener instead of something like aspartane. So I'm really interested to see if all of a sudden we start seeing these commercials and stuff pop up like crazy. It's gonna, it's already gonna start because now it's mainstream. Like mainstream is talking about this. So people are gonna, what's gonna happen is it's gonna spark a lot of debate.

You're gonna see people talking about like, on the one hand, you're gonna have people say, no, the perfectly safe. And then on the other hand, you're gonna have people saying, no, these studies are showing this. So now it's in the mainstream and people are gonna talk about it. It's gonna make it, it's gonna be very interesting.

I'm very interested to see what ends up happening. I, if I, here's the thing, if I'm a company and I'm making sodas, I'm just gonna say, like, I'm gonna put on the bottle made with real sugar or made with, like I'm not gonna try to pretend. You know what I mean? That's something's not what it is.

It's a donut. Donut with sugar, it's good, whatever. Then you won't get sued. I don't think that'll stop people from eating. We'll go on our those days, right? That you could be vague about vague about, you know, what's in your product, like, like people wanna know exactly what's in there.

And that's why I'm so surprised that whole, you know, they didn't pass about like labeling with GMO and everything here, it's just like, it's crazy to me. Some of it, some states that pass those laws are getting overturned from the federal government. Yeah. They can't label. That, don't get me started on that. That's a whole other... I just, it's fucking absurd to me. those laws are getting overturned from the federal government. Yeah. They can't label.

Don't get me started on that. That's a whole other. I just, it's fucking absurd to me. I don't know that the world. I didn't know that we had some states that actually passed that. So some states actually started to put GMO on anything that had GMO on it. And then there was some federal laws that were an act that was passed that said, you can't label.

That states can't label to try and over to say no sorry I think Vermont was one in Hawaii and there's a lot of power there that's happening and you know where the federal government then steps in and tells the states no no you can't label of course which is like you're fucking so weird you're fucking with cornweed dude yeah yeah cornweed is right up there with cigarettes and alcohol and fucking You know that's right up there, dude. It's like what's part of the tobacco guns cigarettes in fucking and fucking wheat and corn Dude, it's right up there with the fucking five-killer You better believe someone's coming to the rescue on that

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Alright, first up is 1112 Lauren. Asking, what are your hobbies outside of fitness and optimization? If you don't have any, do you think it impacts you in terms of being more holistic in your abilities and perspective? Hobbies, outside of optimization. Optimization. That's outside of fitness and obviously, costly optimizations.

So nothing related to fitness or optimization. So we can't be like, oh, I go and I do the float tank that's part of my hobby or I go and I do stuff that's optimizing. Like just purely out of entertainment hobby or I go and I do stuff that's that's optimizing like just so you're purely out of Entertainment what do you enjoy to do on your well this this this right now you know and I'm doing that I love is watching Stranger things you guys see the new It's so good. How many episodes you watch I had four no watch three god. No, I can get into, sometimes I can get into TV and I'll watch the fuck out of it.

Well, it's crazy now they release that new season and it's like the whole thing there. It's like how do people like control themselves not to watch all of them at once? Oh, dude. It's like, it's just, I was almost late to something you should have control myself. I was watching it. Otherwise hobbies. I'm trying to think well even that one because I love I really really enjoy Doing things that tend to also

Optimize but not necessarily because they optimize it does that make sense? Yeah, well, you're not thinking about it. Well, I think I could even argue so it just says if you don't have any Do you think the impacts and view in terms of being more holistic in your abilities and perspective? I think you could even put a spin on, you know, watching Netflix series occasionally, right? Because I think there's this fine line of the consumption, right? Like, are you letting yourself get sucked into it

and addicted to it and you burn four or five hours every day being sucked into Netflix? Or is it something that provides a release from you because you're normally working and focused on business and the kids and everybody else and then it allows you this time to actually detach a little bit. Because for me, that's kind of, I love movies. I love like Netflix series. I still manage to find them into my life. But, you know, I'm also reading and doing playing sports and doing other things besides just that.

I'm not letting that completely consume my life, but there's a part of it that I really do, when I watch a series, I feel like it allows me to kind of shut my brain off. I become engulfed in the story that I forget about all the stuff that I have to handle that day and tomorrow. And so I think there's something healthy about that that comes from that.

Of course, people, but sometimes we look at entertainment and we look at as a waste of time and money and it can be abused, like anything can be abused, even fitness can be abused. But if it's not being abused, entertainment plays a valuable role in society

because like you're saying at them, it could be a way to relax, a way to be in the present. It could be a way to enjoy your company around you to bond with other people. It could definitely increase the value. You're too mood. Yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of benefits to it. And I go through this a lot because I'm always thinking about how to spend my time

when I'm home and be more effective and be more present and all that kind of stuff, which is definitely an optimizing kind of mentality where, you know, I wanna spend as much time as I can, my kids, all they're young and, you know, they're here and we'll go, like I'll teach them how to, you know, throw a ball and we'll go outside and we'll play catch and all that stuff.

And I'm like, just, I'm trying to be as like focused as I can on what we're doing together. But yeah, like then there's times where I'll just sneak off into the room and I'll just start playing guitar and that's strictly for myself. And I just, it brings me peace and it really helps me do that. Do you actually still do that? Do you actually still get away and do that for yourself? I mean, not very frequently, but when I do, it makes like a real big impact on me. Cause it's just like, I just feel like,

I don't know, like it's really just my thing. Nobody else's thing. So I think that's actually really important that you have these things. So I, last year, I bought Katrina, I think for her birthday, like a whole snowboard set up and everything that's who I can get back into riding.

And so, and this year the goal was to get in a lot. I got in a few rides last year and just it felt amazing. And it felt amazing because I used to say, and I said this all through my 20s, if somebody asks, like, where's your, you know, where are you in your, you know, Zen or where's your most like special? Where's your special place right my special place was you know being up on top of a mountain and just a beautiful day and the sun and the Board strapped up headphones in my ear and all alone like I don't have to be with anybody I can share that with somebody but for me It's one of the most peaceful relaxing enjoyable moments and I always find when I do that

It rejuvenates me for everything else. And I'm a better version of myself when I get back from doing that. And so this year, major goal was for me to get back into, I mean, I used to be a season passholder where I was going every free weekend that I had. I'd be up there and I'd be riding. And I noticed how happy I am. And then I realized that as we get older, other things become a priority. And that's how these things start to kind of take a back seat because we become so focused in the business, our children, our partners, bills, all this mortgages,

all this stuff that becomes so important. But those things too, it's no different than how we talk about stresses in your life, right? Like if you're a type A personality, and all you do is add stress, add stress, all these things that are pressure and stress on your life. And you forget to do some of these things that actually allow you to escape from that. You lose balance. And I mean, I definitely have lost balance in my, especially the last 10 years because

I've been so heavily focused on, you know, growth and finances and things like that that I stopped doing some of these things. And I stopped doing them because I felt like I had to let them go if I was gonna excel at these other things, but it's not true. It's just like the meditation thing we talk about. It seems like, oh, I have to take an hour out of my day to meditate, like it's gonna take,

it's gonna kill, it's gonna take away from something. But in reality, it's amazing how it rejuvenates you when you have these escapes. And so for me, like for sure, two big things that I noticed in my life. And this is just literally this last year. This is a big deal for me. I cut back on snowboarding a lot, which was really important to me. And watching sports that I love, football and basketball

are two things that I grew up my whole life, you know, just heavily into it. And it was something I shared with my best friends. And over the years, I've kind of, I out of all of us, I've fallen off that because it takes time. It takes time to follow up on your sports and watch the games. I'm gonna drive the ball now and I'm gonna drive the ball.

Right. And so I kind of like let it go to waste. But, you know, this year, I'm back to watching my team play football, catching the warriors playing ball. And I've really fucking enjoyed it. I'm a happier person when I'm allowing those things into my life and finding that balance. So I think that's it. Yeah, that's why this question's interesting

because what are your hobbies outside of fitness and optimization? I understand the fitness part, but a hobby, unless it's something that you're obsessed with and you abuse, it's always optimization, right? Even if it's not in that category of optimization, like brain hacking or whatever, if it's a real hobby and you're not abusing it and you're not obsessed with it, it's going to optimize your life no matter what. It could be stamp collecting. I mean,

if it's something you're into and it brings value to your life and again, you're not obsessed with it or it's non-addiction, then that's optimization. As a kid, I never really had a ton of hobbies. I loved, I did like reading, but it was always, I would always read biographies or science books or encyclopedia type stuff. So, you know, when I was a real young kid,

I really liked reading the book of world records. The Guinness Book of World Records was real fun for me. You know, but it was always fact stuff, like stuff that I could learn that was like real. I didn't, it wasn't into fiction. So that was kind of a hobby, but, you know, I collected baseball cards and football cards and comic books, but that wasn't really a huge, but I collected baseball cards and football cards and comic books, but that

wasn't really a huge passion of mine. It's been fitness since I was 13, and I love the history of it. I love the history of bodybuilding. I love the history of strength athletes. I love the history of supplements, the history of nutrition. I love learning about, I've always been into that. So it's almost like when people ask me, like what else are you into?

I feel kind of bad saying it, but why? You know what I mean? It's just something I've always really enjoyed. I got really into Jiu Jitsu in my 20s, and I did that for about six years. But the one thing that's always been a constant, at least since I was my early teens, was fitness, but it truly is my favorite hobby. It's was, you know, my early teens, was fitness, but

it truly is my favorite hobby. It's not, there's nothing comes close to, you know, just enjoying reading about it and learning about it and doing it and, you know, anything that has to do with it. So other than that, I can't think of too many of the things that I kind of get into. I sound kind of boring. That's really love fitness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What else is there? Next question is Lucas Hunt 10. Do you have a go-to routine to bounce back after a night of drinking? I have a... I have a... The Advil's in a gallon of water. Yeah, I have a protocol that I do the night

that when I am drinking and then what I, so what I do while I'm drinking, I do before bed and it seems to work Now rule number one if you want to avoid Feeling super shitty the next day. Don't over drink. That's in the rule number one So I don't think there's any magic that you can do. Yeah, I don't think there's like any magic for you know potion You can take that all why are a lot. Something about what? Theanine, I think somebody was talking about supplementing that and that lowering.

I don't even think you could drink more and you wouldn't be as inebriated taking this. I don't know if you don't much about the theanine. Substances that allow you to drink more alcohol so that you feel better while you're drinking. Right. It's not protecting you. It may be giving you the impression that you're, it's like when people do drugs, like,

you know, I've actually hung out with people who will do, you know, who are friends with other people who are doing drugs. I remember one time I went to Vegas with a buddy of mine and then we hung out with this other group and that's not really my scene to do a shit ton of, you know, party drugs or whatever. But some of these guys and girls in this other group were doing, you know, a buddy of mine and then we hung out with this other group. And it's not really my scene to do a shit ton of party drugs or whatever, but some of these guys and girls in this other group were doing just cocaine all night long. It was really my first time really ever even being around it. And I remember them saying like, oh, I love it, man. I could drink more when I'm on it.

And I remember thinking like, just probably not gonna pay off. Yeah, I don't think that makes it. That might not be a good thing. I kind of liked the fact that I get drunk easier. I don't think that makes, that might not be a good thing. Like, I kind of like the fact that I, I get drunk easier. I don't need to drink as much. Whoa, it's a whole bottle of jam. How's that?

How's that? But one thing that I do is, I do have, I do make sure to drink lots of water. I do have electrolytes, so I'll take electrolytes with me. Because if you just drink tons of water, you can't just drink the green juice right there. I haven't done it yet with the green juice,

but that's actually quite smart. Well, so this funny that with this question got brought up because literally this weekend, this is what I did. And so I was gonna ask you what you thought. I mean, I felt good afterwards because I don't drink hardly at all. You have a pretty bad reaction alcohol. Yeah, I just, and that's why I don't drink.

And it sucks because my family, Katrina's family, like food and alcohol, like every event is surrounded around that. And, you know, it's such a big deal when somebody in her family sees me pick up a beer. Everybody makes it like it make a whole big old ordeal. Oh shit, Adam's drinking everybody gets excited. It's like a big deal, you know, like, oh my God, I'm going to drink, right? We're going to party all night. I'm like, whoa, do you know, I'm just going to have some beers, you know. So I had, I'm gonna drink, right? We're gonna party all night. I'm like, whoa, do you just gonna have some beers, you know? So I had, I think I had four beers, which for me, that's a lot, because I don't drink at all.

I'm by two, I'm already feeling pretty buzz. Three, four, it's, it's got me pretty drunk, you know, because I'm a total lightweight. But I also know that because I don't, I, on the reason why, I always feel like shit the next day. So I, last night, I had, I took actually the green juice after I was done drinking. So this was the night before last, sorry.

The green juice after I was done drinking before I went to bed. And I actually washed down a probiotic and then a probiotic in the morning time. And I feel fucking really good, dude. I actually, that's the best I have felt. So you did the, you did the, or again, if I green juice, did you I've felt. So you did the you did the organ if I green juice did you do their probiotic to the organ if I pre so the only reason

I did because I normally wouldn't even think to try that but because we have this up Yeah, because I have these probiotics in my house and I'm like and I'm not you know I do kombucha occasionally and that's one of those things I don't really seem to have a lot of good issues But if I ever do it's like when I drink, drinking mess is my gut up. So I thought, you know what? Maybe I'm gonna try taking a probiotic tonight before. It's funny you say that because that's part of my protocol.

Part of my protocol is I do the electrolytes, water, and then I do probiotic that night. And if I'm drinking heavily, I'll do activated charcoal while I'm drinking activated charcoal does, it absorbs the toxins. It binds to toxins, making them so that you can't absorb them and then you, you, you, excuse me. I might be from the old school,

but I feel like you need to suffer through that shit. You fucking bitch. So, you know, if you drank too much, it's your fault. Do you actually know what that, what actually causes us to feel, the hungover feeling that we feel? Yeah, so Information in the liver. No, it's the spike. It's the hard spike of blood sugar and it's the hard crash of coming back down

Think about it. You're you are loading all this alcohol, right? So blood sugar and one after another one beer two beer three beer four beer So your blood sugar is going It's taking off and then all of a, you go that you pass out, right? Poom, you pass out, and you go to sleep. It's a huge spike to a huge drop, which is also why people, the old take the hair off the dog, and you have a, you know, bloody Mary.

Is that what you say? Is it what it's, is it? Is it hair of the dog? Take a hair up the dog. What is it? I know it's not that. They're like Adam's version. What is it?

What is it? I know it's not take the hair off the dog. What is it? I know it's not that like Adam's version. What is it? What is it? What is it? I know it's not take it hair off the What is it? I think it's hair of the dog is it hair of the dog hair of the dog? What is a dog? Google it. I don't know. It's a core of the dog. Oh, Doug knows it's a colloquial expression in the English language Predomaly used to refer to alcohol that is consumed with the aim of lessening the effects of a hangover Yeah, what is it? What is it. What is it? What is it? What is it? Hair of the dog. Oh, hair of the dog.

That was fucking close. I feel bad for your dog. Oh, shit, I'm a... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey Bentley, come over here and shave the fuck out of them. So, you showed you how much I drew. You didn't put it in, actually, you had to do this.

It's like throwing a monkey in the wrench. Throwing a monkey in the wrench. I like it. So, it spikes a back up, right? So, it mitigates how much of the crash is. So if you have this huge spike, you shut it down all night long, then you wake up and that fucking headache is the crash. So there's a lot of factors that are coming to play that affect you.

The next generation, things like that. Part of it is there's a dehydration aspect that happens and there's a layer that surrounds your brain that when you when you become dehydrated gets tight and causes headaches it can actually cause you to feel pressure in your head. There's also the alter the alterations of certain chemicals like dopamine, serotonin, GABA. So GABA is a neurotransmitter that's a depressant. It makes you feel relaxed. Alcohol increases the amount of GABA that's put in the brain. That's why when you drink alcohol, you get relaxed and feel good.

But what goes up must come down and the body does adapt to what it considers to be abnormal levels of anything. And anything in the body that gets out abnormally higher low The body adapts by downregulating receptors reducing its own production of these chemicals and so on So when you're pushing out all this GABA with alcohol then when you when the alcohol wears off Your brain is producing less GABA than it normally would, which is why people who suffer from anxiety, for example, they will, this is why alcohol is not a good treatment for anxiety. If you, while you're drunk, you may feel less anxiety.

They hang over. You talk to anybody with anxiety issues. They'll tell you the day after. Terrible. Well, I imagine, because you go up and then crashes back down the other direction. Terrible anxiety. Dopamine is another one. When you cause dopamine to spike,

which lots of substances cause a high spike in dopamine, but especially alcohol and drugs. The brain responds to high levels of dopamine very quickly. It very quickly down regulates receptors, reduces the stone production of dopamine, which it may give you that depressed feeling the day after, because a hangover isn't just the physical feelings of headache and you know throwing up It's sheen. It's you also

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You know what I mean? What you're thought about, like, the, like, shrooms or Ashwaganda or any of that type of stuff. What are your thoughts on that? So it makes sense that, like an adaptogen, like, Ashwaganda would be a good thing to take the day after, but I don't want people to take that to heart, do some research because alcohol interacts

with a lot of different substances, and the interaction is what's important. So you may take something that sounds like it, it sounds like a good idea and it's natural, but it may actually make things worse. So I'll give you an example, passion flower. Passion flower is a natural treatment for anxiety

For a cute anxiety. It's actually quite effective like if you take passion flower and you're having an acute Episode of anxiety it can give you some effects, but what so so maybe someone's gonna think oh shit You know, I'm gonna take passion flower afterwards and make me feel better Well passion for the way it works to raise his Gabba also So if you take passion flour afterwards and make me feel better. Passion for the way it works is it raises GABA also. So if you take passion flour with alcohol, it might not be a good thing, it might make you more drunk

or the day after it might just be kicking the can down the road where now it's like, you know, like anything else, like I keep trying to get that GABA, don't let my brain reactimate and then I make the hangover worse. Neutropics are an interesting one. So like the race attempts, you'll hear people say, oh, if I take, you know, parisatam or whatever and then I drink, I only have

to drink one drink and I get buzzed way faster. And, you know, this and that. If I take it the next day and we went, when we went down to LA and met with, who is the guy we met with at the quality guy? No, he was at the, where you hook up your brain. Dr. Andrew Hill. Yeah, Andrew Hill. Yeah, I brought it up to him and he goes, yeah, it's All you guys? No, he was at that where you hook up your brain to the real game. Dr. Andrew Hill. Yeah, Andrew Hill. Yeah, I brought it up to him and he goes, yeah, it's probably doing more damage to your brain

by combining it to do not combine neutropics with alcohol. Because you'll read on the forums. I'm glad you actually said that because, you know, going back to the last episode we did where we talked about this new traffic kick right now that everybody's on, that that will be something I'm sure people are either already. All right.

Yeah. Watch too. Yeah. Oh, smart. Well, I'm doing dumb stuff. Yeah. No, I think the best thing you can do is for what I found, make sure you're hydrated, electrolytes.

You know, activated charcoal if you have a, you know, if your stomach feels off, probiotic was, was very, very smart from Adam. And here's the other thing too, is don't, I feel way better if I drink during the day, because then it wears off and then I can sleep at night. I think part of the reason why you feel shitty the next day is because you stay up late and then you can't sleep

when you try to sleep. So you feel shitty on, you know, because of that too. Oh, it's a combination. Yeah, drinking is the best. Day drinking, you don't get, you don't feel nearly so much more fun. Here's a, here's a product, I didn't even think about this. This was something because I don't drink like I used to drink, it's a combination. Yeah, drinking is the best. They drinking, you don't get, you don't feel nearly a source of. So, oh, it's more fun. Here's a, here's a product, I didn't even think about this. This is something because I don't drink like I used to drink

when I was a kid. Like, so, uh, when I had my condo, um, the complex, like a whole circle of the entire complex was almost a mile. And so if I came, if I came home and I was like staggering drunk where I knew like hang over tomorrow, potentially throwing up tonight or tomorrow, I'm so bad. I would walk until I walked it off. I would literally walk around my complex like stuff for hours. And just I would just keep, if I felt that like-

I'd go for a drive. No, like one of the worst. Yeah, yeah. Just kidding, total joke. That's a joke. No, literally though, that's one of the best things you can do if you pushed it too far is don't lay down and go to sleep. Glang down, go to sleep, and you're already feeling nauseous and ahead it can go in that

way. It's just going to get worse. I hate that feeling. If you go and you move, you know, you move, spin, move, burn it off, burn it off, use it, you know, just keep moving. And so I just keep walking and walking until I started to feel better than I come home. What's the sickest you guys have ever gotten with alcohol? Like, what's the one like you can remember?

So my 21st birthday, I had a weird experience. I had the first time I had drank so much alcohol so fast that my body just rejected it. And I actually didn't get really sick from this, but I never felt my body rejected like this. And it was because I had done my buddy's first hand me this big, you remember those big glass beer mugs? You know, it's like three beers or what, a two and a half, three beers at things.

Yeah, one of those big old glass ones, right? And, you know, a couple beers are in there. I don't know how many fit in there. I know it's fit in there. I know it's at least two. And they had me pound that. Pound, pound, pound, they're all, it's my 21st birthday, right?

So I do that of course. Then they hand me the bong to take a bong rip. I take a bong rip. Oh, yeah. And then they hand, they take a combo. And then they hand me a beer bong that has three and a half beers in it.

Wow. And I slam the beer bong and as soon as the beer gets all the way into my stomach, I pull the tube out, and it just projectile vomit. I've never projectile vomit in my life before. It just all got pfft, right out. You've been flying out of my mouth like a tube of it. And I actually, after it got out, I felt it. If you have time to absorb it.

Yeah, that's what happened. It rejected probably three beers, full beer is just straight out. My body just said no, it was too much, too fast, too soon. Oh, I did. And so that happened on my 21st. And then I'm trying to think of some other times of the world. So I got a story before Justin, because I know Justin's going to have the best. No, I'm not.

I know you are. I went to Vegas with two of my friends. One was my business partner. So when I first opened my wellness facility, I actually co-owned it with somebody for the first couple of years before, I bought them out and then it was just mine. And I went with him and this other guy,

and we went to Vegas. And one of the guys I went with is this English dude. And the English can fucking drink. It's like the Irish. It's because part of the culture. So what they do after works with it. So we go to the bars and we just start going hard like one after another, one after another. We're having a great time or drinking drinking and I look over at my business partner and

he's got this strange look on his face. Like, yeah, and we were in Vegas for the Olympia by the, like, uh-oh. No, he was just like, you know the thousand miles there where the dude just stare in front, and he's just gone. And he's kind of like, you know, he's kind of wavering from side to side. Yeah.

And I tap him on the arm, I'm like, yo, I'm like, you okay, buddy? You all right? And he doesn't even say anything. He just shakes his head, no. So I'm like, oh fuck. And so this is our, this is like three hours into like, we're head. No. So I'm like, oh fuck. And so this is our just like three hours into like, we're just going hard. So I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, do you think you're going to throw up? And he's like, yes.

So I'm like, all right, let's go. I'm going to take you to the bathroom. So I, I say, let's go. So he can't stand up. So now I know this is bad. So I put his arm on my shoulder. And I walk him to the nearest bathroom in the casino. We go in there and he goes, I got a piss. I got a piss. So I'm like, all right, dude, like here's the urinal. So I put him up on, I bring him up to the urinal and he falls. He falls to the bathroom.

So I'm like, oh shit. Like, what do I do? So I held him up and he pulls his pants all the way down to his ankles. And he's peeing at the urinal and I'm holding him. This is what a good friend I am, dude. Just bare butt cheeks. Bare butt cheeks.

And I'm not holding it like, you could, right now you're probably picturing that he's at arm's length and my hands on his shoulder. No, he can't keep his balance. No, he's't keep his balance. And he's a big fucking dude. My old business partner was a 240 pound bodybuilder. So he was a difficult motherfucker to support. So I had to like semi embrace him.

So I had like one underhook. Where are their dudes coming in? Oh yeah, it was fun. Oh yeah, on over here. Oh no, no dudes are coming in. We got a few like dudes that were like, yeah. Yeah, get out of here. I had a few dudes that were like, yeah, look at that. Get after it. So I had one under hook under his right arm,

and my left arm, I grabbed his shirt, and I turned my body awake, so I'm like, I am not pressing my dick up against your bare ass while you're taking a piss. So now he's pissing, he's having trouble aiming, and I'm like, yeah, definitely not gonna help you with that, buddy. Pulls his shit up, I walk him up to the room,

and I fucking put him in the bed, he's laying there, fucking take his shoes off, I put a big glass of water next to him, like are you gonna be okay? Cause I'm not done, I'm gonna go downstairs. I got more to do. So I leave, so I leave him there, I leave, I go back downstairs, parties some more,

I come back at 2 a.m. and probably the most frightening moment of my life. Have you guys ever thought your friend was dead? Oh yeah. It's scary because you're like, I'm gonna get in trouble. So I dropped it. That's the first thing. Like, oh no, he's dead.

Oh fuck, I'm fuck. Oh no. I'm not gonna tell his girlfriend. So I walk in the room and he's not in the bed. I'm like, what the fuck? Where did he go? So I look over to the bathroom and I'm looking like, you can't see directly in the bed. I'm like, what the fuck? Where did he go? So I look over the bathroom and I'm looking, like you can't see directly in the bathroom. You could just kind of see sideways, you know,

like the like, you know, I can't go in until I walk around the corner, but I see his legs sticking out, like he's on the floor. So I'm like, oh fuck, what did he fall in his head? And I walk in there, and he's laying on his face, and there's puke everywhere. And so I'm like, did he die? hit his head? And I walk in there and he's laying on his face and there's puke everywhere. And so I'm like, did he die? So I'm like waking him up and no, he's not dead. I felt this pulse and he's kind of waking up and I'm like, dude, and he was burning up.

So I'm like, this fucker is like, is this alcohol poison? He's like, what's going on? Oh my god. So I'm like, dude, let me call an ambulance. He's like, no, no, don't call an ambulance. It's like, I'm just really hot, dude. I'm just really hot.

I'm like, just leave me here. So I'm like, all right. I'm gonna leave you on the floor, but I'm gonna be right over here. So I go lay down and I set my alarm. So every hour I woke up to check on him. After about the third hour, I wake up and I check and he's not on the floor now.

So now I'm freaked out. I go in there, he's in the bathtub. Totally naked in a cold tub. And he's fucking almost passed out, and I'm like, you're gonna drown, dude, you can't, you can't lay in the bathtub, he's like, I'm too hot, and I'm like, I don't care, you're gonna fucking slip and die in the bathtub.

So I had to drain the water and pick his big wet naked ass up, out of that fucking bathtub and put him in bed again, and he owes me, dude. I don't know. That's not what I work, man. I thought I'm gonna say it's not gonna work, man. So if I ever have to kill someone and bury them, I'm calling him first. Because he knows he owes me for doing that. You just saved his life.

I had to. That's it. You just reminded me of a fucking crazy story that we used to do. So every, so this is my senior year in high school. And talking about, you know, Justin and I, small towns, big football towns. So my senior year, I didn't play ball at all and I worked.

But what I did do is I was at every game. So I was all my buddies were players and stuff. And we would go to all the event we'd travel to all the way games and the home games. We would rope off an area that was like and we were the rowdy group every touchdown We dog piled each other and it was we were crazy and loud and we show up to the game blitz already So that was like that we would go somewhere we would pre-drink because we're in high school So you're not supposed to be doing this shit right so we right pre-drink somewhere else we show up hammered At the games well one of the games is a home game.

We were, my buddy got really wasted and we're sitting and there's about three of the rows are all our friends. So there's about 15 of us that are all friends and we're all together. And I'm on one side, my buddy who is just like really, he's like his, his face is in his hands, and he's just kind of holding himself up and you can just tell he's any moment He's ready to get sick and then my other buddies on the other side of him I mean he's drunk and he's just having a good time and being loud and he keeps fucking with my buddy Like every like 10 minutes or so he grabs him and he would shake him and he'd be like hey cops are coming And then my buddy's the fuck yeah, just a fuck with him and my buddy would sit up and try and act normal and you could just see He was just done right he was totally done and I kept telling my buddy Gary to stop doing this.

And I carried him alone, man. He's just like, oh, you just thought it was so funny that he would scare him every five minutes because he would start to fall asleep in his hands that he would shake him, you know, like all the cops, they see you, you know. And so he keep doing this to him. About the third time he did this to him,

my buddy sits up, opens his eyes and just project all vomits all over the row in front of him. Oh, no. All down the back of the neck of another one of my buddies, and my buddy steps up and he's got vomit down the back of his shirt. All of his neck. It was a mess, dude. It was really bad.

Damn it. Yeah, they ripped his shirt off. He wanted to fight my other buddy. He was just a whole, a whole ordeal. We got Palabust and dude, I was obvious at this whole. That's all fuck up. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah, I guess I'll tell mine.

Mine was, I mean, I've had a few, but this one was probably, like I thought I had alcohol poisoning, I think. Like it was pretty bad. It was, it was an idea that we had, there was me and my friend Joe, who, you know, I get in the most trouble with him, I'll be honest. He's all my friend Joe, he's on the show. He's still alive, you know, we're still cool.

But he's like, he's like my drinking buddy and he's half Irish, half Italian. And so, you know, we were always would talk about doing something for St. Patrick's Day. And so I would usually go, I'd go to the city with him or we'd go somewhere, you know, where we could find a cool pub to hang out. And so I actually had this little house

that me and Courtney just got married. And so I had this little house to myself, I had this backyard, picket fence and all that. And so I had him over. And this was like maybe three o'clock in the afternoon. And I was like, you know, let's, let's, let's get started. You know, let's start this now. And then later tonight, you know, we can go hit up a cool bar and all that. And, and when Courtney gets off works, you can, you know, meet up with us. And so we're out there in lawn chairs just talking and shit like he brought like a full case of Guinness and I had I had some baleys and I had some Irish whiskey.

So I'm like perfect let's do some car bombs. Yeah. So we started doing car bombs. Did eight car bombs in a row. Oh. And then like kept going too then and then it's like my record is like four dude Dude is this right where it got to me though. I think it was the ninth where I was like there was no more There was no more bailies and so it was just like yeah whiskey dropping into You know Guinness and I was like whoa I that you know the Gergol started to happen a little bit I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought, you know, the gurgle started to happen a little bit. I was just like, wow, wow. And I was looking at the fence and I was like,

starting yelling profanities at like neighbors that weren't even there. Oh, yeah. And then he was yelling at me. They were yelling and like, he was stumbling over to like, I was some other part of the backyard. And like, he fell and then he was in this like Ditch and had like face first in like like a planners box, you know

He just said shit all over him and I was yelling and then I started projectile vomiting over the fence Oh my god, dude, and then like we I guess in this whole time We had called my other friend to come over and hang out with us By that time he got there like I was leaning into the fence like motionless and my friend was leaning it like he was down face first in this Planner's box I was like holy shit what happened and he was like trying to Trying to get us to calm down all that and then we like I ended up actually just going to bed Yeah, it was like four o'clock in the afternoon. That was it. I was the end of the story trying to get us to calm down all that. And then we, like I ended up actually just going to bed.

It was like four o'clock in the afternoon. That was it. It was the end of the story. I didn't even make it out. Did you ever get into bear fights? Did you ever ever bear fight before? Bear fights? Yeah.

Oh, there you go, kids. Yeah, yeah, tell me what this is for all you kids out there that are in the drinking. Bear fight. Yeah, run back. Run back. I'm scared to Google that. Yeah, I'm gonna pop up. Google it Google it. It's it is a drink. It's it's a it's a

Yeager bomb followed by a Irish car bomb. Oh, man. You do back to back. That is a that's called a appropriate name. It's called a bear fight. It was an appropriate name. Yeah, we used to drink that we run two of those. We come and we show up to a place we'd order two each. And then it'd be game over for the night dude. Just you're done after that. It's just the it's the speed. Yeah, we'd show up to a place, we'd order two each, and then it'd be game over for the night, dude. You're done after that.

It's just the speed. Yeah. Like, it's such a bad idea. What a stupid idea for all the kids out there. Yeah, don't do it. Check out a bear fight. Next up is Michael Burns 33. Is there more of a benefit having someone spot you on the bench where they help with the

rep versus just lowering the weight on the bar and doing the same number of reps without any help. So this is comparing a forced rep yeah versus working out. So you, yeah, you doing it on your own. So let's talk about what a forced rep is. Now I remember back in the day, I got a Flex Magazine. God, this is some of the benefits of having

a photographic memories. I can literally picture somebody can find this, send me a picture of this. It was a Flex Magazine article and it had, it was a mass building, I forgot the title, it was a mass building secrets and it had a picture of Mike Montorazzo who was a spotty builder in the 90s that I was a huge fan of. He ended up passing away not too long ago, but he had these massive arms and it was like, it was flex, right?

Mass building secrets and I bought this and I was so fucking pumped to buy this. It must have been like, I wanna say 1994 or 95. And I open it and in the magazine, there's an article of like principles of mass building and of principles of like cutting or something like that, right? So I didn't give a shit about the cutting, didn't read those, but I looked at all the principles for mass building and what they were naming were these high-intensity training techniques, these weeder principles or training techniques that were great for building mass according to this magazine.

And of course, we all know Flex Magazine at that time, maybe still today puts out shit information. But anyway, the techniques were all like partial reps and forced reps and drop sets and like super high intensity things, which I of course did all of them in the same workout. Like I'm like, oh cool, this set, I'm gonna do partial reps, forced reps, I end up burning myself out and I learned very quickly That it these high-intensity techniques should be used super rarely and what a what a force prep is

Is when you're going to failure on an exercise? like let's say I'm doing curls and I'm working out with Justin and You know, we should never have which would never we'd never do curls But let's just say we did let's say we got yeah, yeah say I'm doing curls and I'm working out with Justin and uh you know we should never have which would never we'd never do curls but let's just say we did let's say we got yeah yeah yeah whatever I'm doing curls I go to failure it's my 10th rep that's the last possible one I can perform so now I'm gonna go for an 11th rep and I'm trying to get it up and I can only get it up like four inches and I'm struggling and what Justin does is he applies just enough help to let me

get the bar up but with a lot of struggle. That's why it's called a four-strap. So I'm, it's not like he's helping me a lot so the rep is easy. He's helping me a little bit so that the bar barely moves up as I curl it. This will fry the fuck out of your body. It causes a lot of muscle damage. It's a technique you can utilize super, super rarely to the point where I recommend it for almost nobody unless you're super advanced and you've got great recovery and everything else is factored in than every, maybe once every macro cycle,

like once every three to six months or so what I throw something like this in. That's how intense it is on the body. So if I'm going to compare a forced rep to not going to failure or doing it on your own, the one that I'm going to always, I'm going to err to you or the one that I'm going to say is far more effective is the one that you do on your own because as we've talked about many times on the show, intensity is important but it can be overdone very easily. And for the most part, every time you work out, you shouldn't even go to failure. For the most part, if you work out you shouldn't even go to failure.

For the most part, if you stop one or two reps short of failure, you're going to see yourself progress right away. Well, this is a game changing mentality for me to begin with, just not having a spotter. Back in the day, it was like, if you worked out, especially in the gym and you're doing these group workouts with the team, or I just thought you always had to have a spotter because you always had to go for that maximal exertion and to have them around to make sure everything's safe

and the weight's not crushing you all that kind of stuff. Whereas, I can't even remember the last time I had like a spotter and even then I get irritated because Like I've had somebody actually spot me on a squat. I'm like get the fuck out of here like Honestly, it's like a squat's funny though. It's just a hug. Yeah, it's funny But it's like it's unnecessary. I'd rather just dump it right you know off my back in I'm way like I know I'm under control enough to be able to do that more effectively. That's what I should.

And I feel like the spotter, it's like awkward. It's like they don't know where exactly to apply force to help you in the right spot or like I've never had success with that. I'm going to go even further and say that it's such a waste of time. And I know there's a bunch of people that are like, oh, you know, safety for us. Because we did we did preface this with saying that yes, they're, you know, when you do a force rep, there's all kinds of muscle damage that happens, which if that happens that then in turn can build some more muscle. The problem is and I think why I'm so passionate

about it, because it's just like Justin, I was a kid like this that when I was 17 to probably 23-ish, I always had a workout partner. And from the very first exercise I did, we were going to failure, set one. Set one, get right in the guy on the dumbbell press, like you know, you had to warm up set, right? To get the blood flowing. But then we were right to weights

where I needed help on my elbow. You know what I'm thinking right now is, But then we are right to weights where I needed help on my elbow. You know what I'm thinking right now is just how far we got in spite of the shit training we did and it was all because we were young and full of testosterone. Just resilient. Because if I did that now, I would burn my, I would die. Back then I got away with it. I didn't progress like I could have, but the reason why we did is because you're 18 years

old. You get all this testosterone flowing, so you just kind of get away with it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, you know, I think that it's completely overused by especially, you know, teenage boys in early 20s because it is this whole motivation, besmo, no days off, it's so overglorified that everybody has this mentality. And I still see it even beyond that.

So I've got buddies, I just saw buddy post this morning, you know, and he's like, oh, day one back in the gym. Man, my, my buddy's fucking crushed me. Man, I feel great, you know, like, and I'm thinking to myself, like day one back in the gym, like if there's ever a time that you don't want to crush yourself, it's that day. It's day one day one in the gym, like, okay, recovered from my surgery camera. My legs. Yeah.

Right. It's like there is no reason to push to that point at that point in your programming because your body has now got adapted to you not working out. And so any sort of working out is gonna send a new signal stimulus to it to make it wanna grow and build muscles. So I don't want to, why I hammer myself? Cause that's only gonna impede my workout the next day or two. So this is completely overused and abused

by so many people. Is there a place for it? Yes. If you ever see me use it, I might use it a little more frequently than what Sal recommended, although I agree with him that this is something that is very, very intermittently used throughout your training protocol. I typically use it as the last exercise, the last set, the last exercise

of the day. If I'm going to do it, if I'm going to take my to complete failure or ask for a spot, this is it. I did this, I already did two or three different exercises for my chest or shoulders or arms or whatever it is that I'm about to take the failure and it's the last set, the last exercise and I'm gonna try and force a wrap out and then it's done. It's like I've totally, I've pushed all the way to 11. Starting a workout like that is so absurd

and it was something I did for many years and looking back now, it's one of the dumbest things I ever did, which was right away, I would go right to my favorite exercise for that muscle group, right? So if it's, you know, I'm working chest, it's either flat bench or dumbbell, you know, bench press were my two favorite movements and you better believe I was lifting the heaviest weight I possibly could on that exercise and taking it to failure or having somebody spot me. And then all the rest of my chest exercises that I do in that workout were really minimal

what they were doing for me because I was already get my central nervous system's already fried, my muscles already fatigued. So it's just pumping more blood in there. I'm just reinforcing the whole hypertrophy phase of programming. And so I lived in that phase forever because I thought that I needed to go to failure at every set, every exercise I did to get this maximal growth

because of the articles like you read in Flex magazine. I was reading the same bullshit. So yeah, it's grossly overused. I don't recommend spotters. And also, I think it's, again, we're talking about the general population. There's, we're now talking about something completely different when you talk about somebody who's a powerlifter, who's lifting for competition, right?

Yeah, you need somebody there. Coach. If there's anybody who uses this technique more than anybody else, it would be these guys, right? But even then, they got to be even more careful. Even then, they're super calculated about it. Powerlifters rarely go to failure. That's the truth. They really, they're super calculated about it. Power lifters rarely go to failure. That's the truth. They really, they never do.

In fact, there's some powerlifting coaches that say the only time you go to failure is your meat. That's the only time you test yourself with your absolute max. Olympic lifters never go to failure, except for the day of their competition where they push themselves. Bodybuilders are the ones that use it the most.

And a lot of it has to do with, I think that the drugs that they use in the fact that they've got these crazy genetics and it goes back to the hypertrophy thing that I was saying is sure if you're all hypertrophy and that's all you train and strength is not as much of a priority and you can see it you can I mean you know I'm watching our boy Jeremy Buendiah doing his deadlifting and the dude is a fucking his muscle size and Density is I mean he's this huge his legs are big. I mean the guy is 200 something pounds And he's only five foot fucking eight or seven or something. I mean he's for a little men's physique guy

He's massive, but then like you know deadlifting three plates is a big deal for him You know I saw him map his he had a PR the other day at 500 pounds, which for as big as he is He should be a lot stronger than as for as much gear that he's probably taking. He should be much stronger than that also. But when you don't train that way, you don't train those movements and that's what happens. You can look that impressive because you've trained hypertrophy all the time, but then your muscles don't have the ability to pull up something like that. Next question is from Ryan C. Jung.

In episode 610, you spoke with Dr. Andy Galpin about how orange theory took an old proven wrong concept of optimal training in the heart rate zone and built a business around it. As a PT, I'm being taught to work clients to this zone. Can you please explain how orange theory has implemented this concept? So the heart rate zone theory that we were taught when we were trainers goes like this.

If you train within this particular heart rate zone, you will burn more body fat than if you train outside of this zone. of the zone if you go too hard You'll burn less body fat if you go too low You burn less body fat so stay within this what they what we used to call the fat burning zone now I didn't realize but they were taking some science and turning it into a Sales method because now trainer sounds like they can teach you something about cardio Which is really fucking easy cardio is You get on the machine and do your cardio. But oh, no, no, you want me to teach you how to get in the fat burning zone because you don't want to waste your time on this.

Yeah. Not burning any body fat. And ever you better believe that's we use that angle for it. We did. Yeah. The reality is what the studies showed was that a greater percentage of your calories came from body fat if you trained within a certain certain zone. However, the total calories are really what matters most. And if you're just looking at cardio in that particular sense, we've talked about cardio ad nauseam in this show and how it sends the wrong signal if you do too much of it. But if you're just looking at, you know, doing cardio, what's going to burn the most fat? Total calories is probably what you really want to look at. Now, as far as orange theory is concerned, orange theory...

They attach themselves more to epoch than they attach themselves to target higher than they do. I think the reason why orange theory used it is it's a way for people to adjust their own intensity in the class when you have one instructor and you have, you know, 15 or 20 people. Because now they can look up at the board, see what their heart rate is, and they can go harder or lower and judge it off of their own individual heart rate. So it's actually brilliant. Well, I turn a game out of it. Yeah, it's actually brilliant in that particular sense. Is it more effective? No, it's a total myth. It doesn't matter. Perceived exertions more important really than any of that.

But it is a coaching tool that Orange Theory uses because Orange Theory is the largest bits of business and they're gonna use a lot of gimmicks to just like the orange light in the branding and whatever to attract more people. That being said, I mean, we've talked about Orange Theory in the past and it's exploding. I definitely see in the future it's going to drop considerably because they're pretty

limited. I can see that shit getting boring over and over again. And that type of training is not ideal anymore. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what they did really well is they latched onto the culture thing that CrossFit did really good and they're doing that really well. And that's where they're kind of kick and ass right now. The old proven wrong concept though that Orange Theory adopted, I think it was me who referred to that.

I wasn't referring to the target heart rate, although the target heart rate zone is a bunch of bullshit too, I was referring to epoch. They, which is the Orange Zone. The Orange Zone and the Orange Theory is pushing you beyond the target heart rate zone. And there are theories that if you spend 12 to 15 minutes in your maximal heart rate zone, which would be the orange zone from orange theory, then you are getting the benefits of what's called epoch.

epoch is excess post-oxygen consumption, which is just a fancier acronym to tell us that, okay, because I pushed my body this hard, I'm going to burn X amount more calories per day. The numbers that they use are incredibly inflated, and there's such a huge individual variance in every person from their current metabolism, their size, exactly how hard they pushed, what they ate right before they came in, where they fasted from the day before. There's so many variables that come into play to make that science true or not true that

it's pretty much moot. So the fact that they've completely built a brand around a concept that is kind of dead. Like epoch is not, we've known about epoch for a very long time. It's just not worth talking about it because it's not that big of a difference. You're talking about this now studies have come to show that it's probably really the difference of 40 to 50 calories in a day, like the difference of you spending 15 minutes in that. It's like heating up your core temperature and then like you stay like somewhat like

hot, like leaving the gym. And so now I'm like burning a little bit more calories. That's really what it is. It's really. If you push the heart rate up beyond target heart rate, you're obviously, because you're pushing the heart harder, you're obviously going to force more blood, more oxygen, more calories get burned and consumed. So there's your extra calories right there. If you pushed really hard, then it's

going to take the body that much longer to let the heart rate come all the way back down, which then in turn burns a few more calories also. And the idea is that all day long, your body is at your heart rate is at a little bit higher heart rate than what it would normally be if you were arrested all day. Nothing is going to get you to burn more calories than speeding up your metabolism yourself. This whole concept of manual calorie burning. You know, I want to hammer it because it's a terrible approach towards, you know, especially in modern life to getting lean. If I'm constantly

focusing on how many calories I can burn manually by moving, it's a losing battle because my body adapts to that. We have lots of sciences to show that when you just move a lot, do lots of cardio, the body then adapts by becoming more efficient. Some of the ways it becomes more efficient is by reducing your muscle mass, other ways are by changing hormones, by reducing movement outside of your scheduled movement, by changing your appetite to offset it. There's all these other things that happen. So you may burn extra calories in the short term But then as your body adapts to it and becomes more efficient Now your burning is roughly as much as you were before but now you have to exercise your shit ton

Just to it could be the same. We know we have studies done on modern hunter-gatherers that prove this These are societies where people move way more than the average, you know, American, and their calorie burn is not that much more, and it's because their bodies became efficient. Now, if you want, if you really want to burn more calories, you send a signal to your body that sells it to become less efficient with its calories. And the best way to do this is by building muscle, building strength and building muscle. And orange theory is not a great way to do that. It just isn't. It's circuit type training. You're going to build endurance with it. It's a little bit better than just, it's better than steady state cardio, but it's not, it's nowhere near what strength training is.

I'll tell you why it's really bad because it's not even really good circuit training, because they did such a good job of building the culture around the orange theory and pushing epoch and it's the reason why I'm speaking out on it so much is that it trained, it turned because they did such a good job of building the culture around the orange theory and pushing epoch. And the reason why I'm speaking out on it so much is that it trained, it turned this whole these clubs into this culture of people chasing points. I mean, because they did such a good job of gamifying it. Now it's become competitive on who can be up in the orange for more time. When in reality, they shouldn't be in there more than 12 to 20 minutes because that's

what the protocol stretching beyond their actual Limitations they had set well not only that But then you have these people that are chasing the aerobic side so much They're not getting the anaerobic of benefits because the way the class is designed is half the class you're spent on the Row and the treadmill the other half of the class you're spent Lifting weights in the weight area, but to get the real good benefits of the weight training, you need to slow down. You need to slow down. You need to take rest between reps. So when I was there, I used to do the, I used to make my classes. I don't know how long, how you lasted so long because

you, I remember you saying like you would say the opposite of what they were, you ran the classes the way you want. Well, that's where they were so okay with me leaving, right? I kind of ran my own, you know, and, that's where they were so okay with me leaving, right? Yeah. I kind of ran my own, you know, and, you know, shout out to Brendan because we're buddies and stuff like that and he allowed. Great guy. Yeah, he gave me the flexibility to do that.

I think he trusted me to know I wasn't gonna, I was never bad mouthing orange theory while I was there. I was just helping, I was doing what I could do to help those people, which would be, I saw these issues, one of those issues being That these people were chasing these points so much that they weren't getting the real benefits of the weight room area And so when they were in my class, I'd be yelling everybody slow the fuck down if you can keep going from exercise to exercise Exercise without ever stopping the weight's not heavy enough and you're not giving yourself any rest like it should be a heavy enough

Weight that the next time you go to pick it up, if you go to pick it up right afterwards with no rest, you won't be able to complete the reps. You'll have to rest to be able to complete the reps. Otherwise, we're just staying aerobic. Otherwise, you may as well just stay on the guide down treadmill on the roller because we're doing the same thing

and you're just doing it with weights. We're not really sending a signal to build a lot of muscle by doing that. And this is, I mean, we did a lot of seminars at some of the local, you know, orange theories. And, you know, at some point, it wasn't conducive for them to even let us speak there because people would ask us, hey, these obvious, you know, HPA access to function or overwork, you know, women would come up to me like, I'm really fatigued, but I'm taking four classes

a week and, you know know my diet's 1500 calories I'm not losing weight and you know my advice would be like okay So what you do is take one class a week and then lift weights at the gym three days a week So I'm like telling them to do less orange theory and you know, which I had to wait training Yeah, I'm gonna tell them the truth or you know what I think is best for them But it's not conducive for them to have us speak and then tell the people it was to do less classes People were starting so I started the thing too within the one that I was at where I told people,

like, because people would start asking me, and I'm not gonna lie to them, and they'd be like, Adam, this hurts, this is going on this, I'm like, stop running on the treadmill. And they're like, well, what do I do? That's part of the class. I'm like, walk then. If you're gonna get on it, and you're gonna,

and you're gonna do this part of the class, walk, walk, or spend time doing these corrective movements that I would give them. So you come by my class, walk, walk, or spend time doing these corrective movements that I would give him. So you come by my class, and there'd be the all-trim, and we'd be walking on the treadmill. Because out of, and what I would, I'd be like, well, I wanna burn more calories.

I'd say, listen, if you wanna burn more calories, and we wanna work on these issues you have, you're kinda, it's like, you're sitting, competing signals, so, you know, maybe walk, and hold on to like some 10 pound dumbbells, and retract your shoulders and do basically farmer walks on the treadmill. So I had these pews of my whole class and everyone would be holding these little dumbbells

and do them to be like, what the fuck is going on this is going on? And I mean, kudos to you because you had to get really fucking creative. How can I work within these parameters and deliver with the one? If I'm a star in mobility sessions and then I start. So at the end, what you're supposed to do in those classes, and deliver, you know, what they want. If I'm a start like mobility, like sessions, then I'm really proud. So at the end, right, what you're supposed to do in those classes, I don't know what the protocol is now, when I was there, you're supposed to go through

like this spiel, like you just go over all the announcements and whatever is going on with the Orange Theory and do all this stuff, I would coach and teach. And so I would teach mobility moves. I would teach 90, 90, I would teach these moves. And then while I was teaching them, and they were doing the stuff, I would coach and teach. And so I would teach mobility moves. I would teach 90, 90, I would teach these moves. And then while I was teaching them when they were doing the moves, it only had like seven minutes, you know, it was like seven minutes. What could I give these people that's going to benefit them if they're doing these circuit

type classes? So I'd have them doing mobility drills while I'm teaching on the board, I'd be writing like nutritional facts. I'd pick like one topic of the day and I'd give them these random facts. Luckily I had Brendan as an owner who I think owns like 15 topic of the day and I'd give them these random facts. Luckily, I had Brendan as an owner who I think owns like 15 of the facilities now because if I was in a corporate office, there's no way they would allow everything that I did there.

He allowed me my flexibility to help the people. And it showed my classes were obviously more full than anybody else's. And I have no idea what it's doing now or there, but I heard they've gotten really corporate like. And I was a part of kind of a little bit of the wild, wild west fitness has to be the most fad driven industry that you could possibly think of every decade seems to have it seems to have it's, you know, it's like this curves and then orange theory and then you know, this next, the next wave of whatever. And, you

know, you know, it, you know, a book talks about this is spinning as hitmakers. So hitmakers talks about and this this this plays you talk about fitness being fads, music, movies, everything that we do it has to have some sort of resemblance of something we've seen before for us to catch on to it and attach ourselves to it. If it's so foreign and so different than anything that we're used to, we're afraid of it. But if there is reminences of other things that we've seen in the past, then that's something that we will gravitate towards.

And so they talk about that's part of the formula in hitmakers on how something goes viral, how something takes off like Orange Theory. It's gotta have this kind of similar flavor. It's not really, it's like curves and CrossFit like wrapped in a pretty fucking orange bow. It's what it is, you know what I'm saying? It's like this combination of the two of them. It's really not that different than those two models. CrossFit and curves, that's actually.

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