Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 648: How Caloric Surpluses & Deficits Affect Muscle Growth, Body Distortion & Eating Disorders Among Women & Men, Dream Podcast Guests & MORE

Episode Date: November 25, 2017

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about why women are typically more susceptible to body distortion and eating disorders and/or food relationship issues than men are, what is happening to your body when you aren’t eating in a surplus or a deficit and are going through MAPS Anabolic, the opportunities in the fitness plan market now that bodybuilding.com has made their previously free workout plans a monthly subscription service and their top 3 dream podcast guests. Sal’s snafu affecting the rest of his chain / Justin’s many injuries (5:49) Disciplining children and forging who/what they become (10:14) Doug’s weekly gifts to the guys from Thrive Market (28:25) Quah question #1 – Why do you think women are typically more susceptible to body distortion and eating disorders and/or food relationship issues than men are? 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 25 minutes, Justin Adam and myself, see I'm doing it correct every time now, cause I made a fun of. We do our typical intro fun conversation.

Better mad at me, I would do it, I fuckin' up on purpose. I'm out of stock. Just keep doing it, just cause it drives somebody crazy. That's a lot of stuff. Just cause it drives the grammar police fucking crazy. Me Adam and Justin. Boom.

So we start off when we have our good conversation. First I talk about my busted ankle and how that is making my neck hurt. Oh man. I'm not being a woes, I promise. We talk about Justin's broken right arm and his and the nail that went through his foot and gave him the flesh eating bacteria. It was scary.

Sucked. We talked about spanking children, those bad kids. Parenting mistakes. Oh, parenting. Falles right after. Oh man. And how parenting shaped our lives and the trauma. That would maybe forever forever that we had.

It's children. We also open our Thrive Market Surprise package. We do this new segment where Doug orders us surprise stuff from Thrive Market. I really, really like this. It's a great way to do a commercial. They are our sponsor. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash Mind Pump,

here is what you will get. You'll get one month of free membership. You'll get $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and you'll get free shipping. And then we get into the questions of the episode. The first question was, why do we think women are typically more susceptible to body distortion and eating disorders? So first off, are women more susceptible to body distortion and eating disorders.

So first off, are women more susceptible? And second off, if they are, why do we think that is? The next question is, if you're not eating in a surplus or a deficit and you're going through excellent exercise programming like in maps and a ball, technically, are you gaining or losing weight? So like, what's going on here? Are you building? Are you not? You don't have extra calories. You're not eating less than you're burning. What's going on there?

Which is a wash. We talk a lot about signaling and how that alone can actually cause changes in your body. So it's an interesting discussion in that question. The next question was, are there any opportunities that we see in the fitness plan market? Now that bodybuilding.com is selling the workout plan so bodybuilding.com used to give out their free workout plan.

I can't wait to see what they put out. They were all crap. But now they're selling them feels like they're kind of hustling a little bit. Maybe because Amazon is killing them in the supplement game. Anyway, we talk about it in this episode. And then the final question, who are our top three dream podcasts? Yes, so we kind of make a list of who our dream people are that we love to interview.

Even the Justin is still my guy. To interview. I had to do it. At four R show. Also, we're getting really close to the beginning of the year. So we're going into Thanksgiving, we're going into Christmas, perhaps this episode even at these. Set these mofos up for an entire year, bro.

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y'all in about in your car today? This morning? Huh? You were yelling like on your way in it was like this Hey, probably when he's just Just doing it his phone you know saying just like just to get it listen here It's just passionate it's that Italian in I have no idea. Oh, were you Instagramming hard? Yeah, I think so You know what I realized what I realized really, really realized the other day? It's really, really. So you know how like, yeah, exactly.

You know how one thing is off on your body? Everything up to kinetic chain gets affected. But I forget it until I experienced it again firsthand. All right. So you guys remember when I had my snafu in Mexico? By the way, I'm using that word a lot now. Oh, we remember. Snafu.

Snafu. I don't know if I'm using it right. Snafu, I think it means a fuck up or something, right? Am I wrong or? I don't know. So I fell. Basically I fell and normal person would have died. Luckily, we're talking about me, but all I do was really twist my head.

Oh, God, you had an athletic skill, right? Yeah, it's like, it's killing me. It's killing a hang nail, bro. I've got to put him down for a complete week. I've got, yeah, the athletic skills on your side. It's killing me. It's killing a hang nail, bro. I've got to put him down for a complete week. I've got the agility of a two-legged cat. So anyway, I slide down the stairs, bust my ankle up, super swollen, so now I'm walking funny. Next thing you know, me starts to bother me,

hip starts to bother me. It's going all the way up, right? All the way up the chain. Sure. Now my neck of all things, right? Now my neck is started by, and if people are thinking like, no dude, your ankle doesn't affect your neck.

Oh, absolutely. Try this. Put on a fucking neck brace, like a super stiff neck brace, and then try and walk normal. Good luck. You can't, because you're like, bing, bing, bing.

Doesn't work. Like Batman, like a robot. You're meant to be robots. Like the original Batman. Remember Michael Keaton when he was Batman? And he had that thing on, and when he turned his head like the whole thing had to turn.

Have you ever been in one of those? I've been in one. In a Batman? No, I've been in one. Yeah, it's stupid, dude. That's pretty good. In a neck brace, you idiot. Oh, why?

When I was younger, I don't remember what I did actually. I just remember being in the brace for like a week. You can't, I don't know. You don't know why you were in a brace? Yeah, probably football or basketball. Play chicken heading too much. Or probably bike riding. Head fangs too hard. I know. And it wasn the brace. Yeah, probably football or basketball. Play chicken heading too much. Or probably bike riding. Head-fading too hard.

I know. And it wasn't like a major. It was, I didn't have to get casted or anything. I had a brother in law who crashed his motorcycle and had one of these. Oh, I had the halo. Yeah, I had, yes.

Hey. Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't move or nothing. It was crazy. It was really gnarly. Oh, dude, you know, you know, you know, who's had the metal head? Who's had the most broken bones in this room? I had none.

I probably have. You have, how many broke would it be? I mean, I broke my right arm twice in the same year. Oh, sure. I was, I think I was 10. Oh, okay, so you're fine. You weren't jerking off by then? No.

Yeah, so wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah. So, but that's it, just to your arm. Yeah, well just my arm. I think, yeah, everything else was like penetration wounds. Do I have to squat? What? Yeah, so I stepped on a nail.

Oh, okay. Whoa, okay. You guys got excited. I got worried. Yeah, I got worried too. I'll let you know I'm telling you. No, I'm not. This isn't a confessional.

Yeah, no, I jumped off of a retaining wall and I landed right on this huge like rusty nail. And did it go in the way? Like, so it went way, way up in there. I had the worst part of it, right, was that it healed, but it healed with this like flesh eating bacteria that came up through my shoe. Oh, shit. So basically the wound healed. And then I was like, man, this is not getting better and it fucking hurt and I couldn't walk and I ended up like crawling home at one point because I couldn't even fit my shoe on because my foot blew up so much like it swole.

Got it in fact, yeah. It was cheating bacteria, bro. Yeah, every time it feels people sometimes. So my, or though they'll have to amputate limbs and show to this day my dad feels awful because like, he was like, tough it out, you know, because I did that little

abs and salt thing and I'm like, like hobbling, you know, home from, from the bus stop. And then, they're talking about, yeah, they're fine. So they had to, they took me to like the family doctor.

He just gives a little like numbing, like topical numbing stuff and then just starts slicing it open Because it just needed to be drained so bad Oh, and then I had to go from there to the hospital I was in the hospital for like 10 days just draining it people sticking shit in those moments terrible Those are those moments that scar you for a kid with your relationship with your parents Have you guys okay now being you feel so bad about it?

I'm honest K being honest and both fathers. Have you had those moments yet where you're like, fuck is this one of those moments where I just scarred my kids? Oh, I see what you're saying, like that we did with Arkey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally because where you freak out and you're like, oh shit, I did it, I'm gonna fucking. It's funny you say that, but two things, first off,

I guarantee you that was more traumatic for your dad than you because he's, yeah, right? Because if I was a dad, I would feel. Oh, he slept like every night, like he didn't have to, but he was like sleeping in the chair right next to me in the hospital. You know, you only felt. Oh, it's terrible.

So it's funny you say that. So I just read a study that shows that spanking children actually causes them to have worse behavior. So it's a controversial study. This is whenever you talk about raising kids or whatever, it's always lots of controversy. Now I was raised old school, old school Sicilian. So we were spanked.

I got my mom used the wooden spoon. I had the belt, she threw her shoe if she needed to. There were four kids. It was, it would get pretty gangster sometimes, but you know, we were crazy kids and you know, it was a tough situation. And I'll tell you what, I have the best parents a kid could ever ask for.

I have great relationship with my parents, love them absolutely. So I don't have any bad, you know, memories in terms of that. We weren't abused or anything like that. Now, my kids, I have spanked my kids a grand total of two times, literally two times. And the reason why I know it's too, because I remember both times exactly.

Very impactful. Because it was super traumatic for me. Yeah, I have like a very similar. Because so one time I remember my son was just, he was acting like a total like brat, like just going on. I don't remember what he did. He did something to his grandfather. And finally I just got really angry.

And I snatched. Do you remember how old he was? Like one. No, no. Six months. I could bad. No, he was, I think he was like maybe three, four. So he's in that age where three, four years old,

by the way, terrible twos are nothing. Three years old. Oh yeah. That's when shit goes crazy. So I snatched him up by the back of a shirt, because I don't remember what he was doing, something to his grandfather snatched him up, and I spanked him on his butt,

not hard or anything, but just swatted him, and it sat him in the couch, like sat him down. And then I could see, and it worked, obviously he stopped, because he was terrified. And after I did that, and then I sat there, and then of course my dad, who now is a completely different human, you know, he's like, you don't need to do that to your kid.

You shouldn't, but I'm looking, I'm like, excuse me. You just ran down the stairs. Oh, I'm fine. Wait, you're just trying to get into heaven now. So anyway, so I spanked and I sat him down, and then it destroyed me for a long time, and then I had this dialogue with myself where, you know, here I am on this huge,

in comparison to my kid, right? You got a three year old or whatever. I'm this big ass person. I'm this huge, imagine if there was a giant, the same strength difference and size difference to me. Like it would be a guy who was like 15 feet tall, you know, 700 pounds just, and then he, and if I disagreed with him, he could just,

you know, smack me and then I said I have to listen. So I'm like, God, I had to use violence to make my point against this small human. Yeah, that's when you know you've lost. It didn't feel, it just didn't feel, I don't know if it didn't feel right. And then all this, we were at a birthday party for like a bunch of kids and stuff

and like it was family and it came around time, you know, around time where you have to leave, you gotta give morning. And I gave morning, you know, hey man, you know, we gotta leave. So you got like five minutes. And so I'm doing the rounds, I come back and he's just like resistant, resistance, resistance.

And I get it, like he's having a lot of fun. And I'm like, no, seriously, like I have to be somewhere. Let's go. And he just wasn't listening, wasn't listening. And then like, you know, I go to grab him and then he freaks out, so I scream and at me. And this is when he was like, yeah, he was like four. And so...

Good time, I thought. Yeah, it was just like, it's at that, it was this one impactful thing where it was like, like you can't behave this way. This is unacceptable. And I took them, like, so there was like some woods there. I took them in the woods and, you know, like smacked them on the butt.

And, you know, just this look of horror in his eyes, as he looked up at me. It's just like, my soul just was like, ah, like I put him in the car and like left, I didn't say bye to anybody. I was like, right here. And then after that, it was just like, yeah, I was really like one of those things.

I was like, oh my god, like, that's, you know what, you guys aren't even that bad. I think of like the, the shit that I went through and stuff like that. I think how many of those like situations do you, as a father do you have to make before you fuck the kid up? Like, oh, I see what you're saying You know I'm saying like how many how many times does a like a parent push that boundary?

Not really thinking right acting out emotionally and not being not thinking well I definitely like lost my cool. I think that's why that's what I felt back because I Internally like I was like raging. You know, I mean while I did it I couldn't calm down before I did it, which would have been totally different. So. It's really what you're demonstrating, because somebody, I actually posted that study in the forum, because this is a fascinating discussion for me.

I don't judge people who spank their kids. If long as they're loving parents, it's not abuse a lot of stuff. Because again, I was raised in that way. Right. But it's an interesting debate. And somebody posted a very interesting comment. And what they said was that when they were kids,

if they did something that their parents deemed, they deserved a spanking or whatever, their dad would take them aside, would talk to them about it very calmly. That's the important thing, they said that their dad never lost their temper, talked them about it very calmly and said, now, I'm going to spank you.

Think about it in 10 minutes, I'm going to give you a spanking. Yep. And they said it was so much more powerful. Psychology of it. Yeah, because he didn't lose, they didn't lose, you're not showing them that you're acting out emotionally. And then it's not the actual violent part of it, right?

That's determining. Yeah. You know, it's really like it's like this is a consequence, you know, and it's very common rational about it. Yeah. I remember one, there's one other thing that I remember. What did the study say? Tell me the study said study said the study said that that they show that spanking Makes kids behave worse

It causes problems later on the fucking study I don't know and you know what it makes me wonder I don't know it makes it makes me wonder a couple things because you think like how many times have you heard this like Oh, if parents just beat their kids a little more than we wouldn't have all these crazy kids, or you know, these kids just need a good spanking. Oh, and it makes me shake my head because that's not why people act crazy. It's because they don't have parents around. Yeah. It's either they don't have a dad around or their mom to too busy or nobody really cares

about them. It's not the spanking part. They don't have being listened to. Yeah. No. Yeah. There's another thing that happened. It's like, this is like a confessional, isn't it? Yeah.

That man, I think about to this day, it was just terrible what I did. My kid was, he wasn't eating his dinner and he was just being a shit about it. And so I said, you have to finish all of this food before you go up stairs and before you can go play or whatever I know. Yeah.

And so he force fed himself and then he walks away and then throws up. Oh, man, you gotta feel like a fuck. Huge. I feel like the biggest asshole. That's such an old guard mentality though. You know, like that was just pounded into our heads. It's so weird.

So it makes perfect sense that that would be, you know, our reaction towards it. I've had the same thing. Yeah. Are there things that your parents did to you that now it formed you as how you fathered? Like you remember, like I won't do that, you know? Oh, towards it. I've had the same thing. Are there things that your parents did to you that now formed you as how you fathered? Like, you remember, like, I won't do that. You know, I won't do that.

Yeah, your dad did something or your mom did something to you and it like boom, that was a mental check for you. Whether you were seven years old or 15 years old and you said, when I parent, that'll be something I never do. Do you remember moments like that? You know, because, like I said, I think my parents did such a good job.

I can't think of anything that they did that I thought was terrible, but I can think of something that they didn't do that I would do. And the one thing is, again, because it's an old school, it was kind of that old-fashioned, old-school, you know, you know, growing up that way or whatever,

we didn't talk about certain things. Like, sex was never a topic. Drugs were never a, it was like we didn't talk about these difficult subjects because they were so taboo that they were never brought up. So and I could see how that may have created some interesting relationships that I may have had with those subjects. And of course later on as a group I started learning myself and okay, of course, later on, as a group, I started learning myself.

And okay, you know, because I was brought up sex with taboo. We didn't talk about it. Mastervation was taboo. Like it's bad, don't do it. Oh yeah, alcohol for me was taboo. Like everything, like there was just so much restriction that for me it was more of a rebellious kind of pressing

back and you know, and like tattoos, like all that stuff. Like that's why I have back and you know, and like tattoos, like all that stuff. Like, that's why I have them, you know? And it's like, it's so shitty because it's like, you know, I realized that about myself. Like, I was just pressing back hard. Like, that was the only reason why. And so, I guess for me, like, because my parents did a great job with me as well. Like, they were just very much like in tune with everything I was doing.

And so like, if I was hanging out, they would let me hang out with friends that they knew. We're like party, but like you'd like listen, you call me anything happens. But I'm always, you know, here you give me a call. Like I'll come pick you up. Wherever like no questions, which was cool. And but at the same time, you know, there was this fear established. You know, if I ever did anything, I was going to get kicked out of the house. Yeah.

That was always the thing that was always driving it. It was like, you're going to get kicked out of the house. That was always the thing that was always driving it. It was like, you're gonna get kicked out of the house, it was like kick me out of the house then. It was like this pushback. And so I don't know, I'm trying to figure that out. How to kind of more have a conversation about stuff like that. How about you, Adam?

Really? Not Adam. Yeah. We're, today's Q&A bro. Yeah. We don't have time for that. Yeah, you did. Next time you can ask me, just give me a year. Are there things in particular, like if you had kids

that you're like, for sure, I'm gonna do the absolute first. There's tons of stuff, man. I mean, to this morning I was talking to a buddy of mine and just kind of committing him on what an incredible job that he did raising his daughter. He's got a daughter now who's 16 and she's like, her academics are crazy. She's a four sport athlete.

Like, you know, and he's a single father that raised her, you know what I'm saying? And he did such a great job with her. And we were talking about, he said early on, he shared with her like so, and this is kind of cool as we were talking about you and your son and what, you know, seeing how proud you are, what he's done.

And he shared with his daughter early on, like the finances and putting her through private school. And the reason why he did it, he said was, you know, he saw all these kids that he was going to school with and they were just kind of these spoiled little brats. And he wanted to make very clear to his daughter. And he did it in a way where it wasn't like,

make her feel guilty, dad's giving all his money so you could go to school. It was still making her wear. Yeah, making her wear. Like, you know, this is how hard we work. And this is, you know, the little funds we have. And this is how much we're investing in you and stuff like that. So it's important that what we do with it.

So, you know, things like that, like my parents didn't share any, any finance stuff, you know, like they didn't, I didn't know. I mean, what I saw was us failing and not being able to stay in a house long enough and the food stamps and electricity and bullshit like that. So, you know, and ironically, the numbers guy and end of finances and I love that stuff, which a lot of that I'm sure stems from that, right? It stems because I wasn't letting in on that early on as a child. I was just here giving your money, you know, if I got money, your extra money,

or once I started working when I was 15, you know, a lot of my money went back to my parents to help pay the bills and do shit like that. So yeah, that's something that I would do different, but man, there's a lot of, most of my memories, unfortunately, and I didn't like, yeah, I didn't, we did things as a kid, I wasn't, It wasn't that bad, but it's crazy. And why I like to ask questions like this and talk about this stuff is, I don't remember the good stuff. There's, I have all these really bad scars

from childhood that I remember because, as a kid, those are what stick with you. The time that my parents probably sat me down and told me how much they love me and spent time with me or took me to Disneyland so that's a blur, but I could vividly remember like my mom dragging me by my hair, throwing me in a shower and whooping the shit out of me.

You know, saying I can remember that. I can remember my parents watching me get handcuffed although it was a three, five GPA, never had sex, didn't do drugs, good kid, watching me get handcuffed and walked out the house because they called the cops on me and shit. I remember stuff like that that has forever changed me and molded me into what I am, which is what I'm grateful for those memories, but I always wonder, what's the limit? Was it that I had eight or nine of those situations that happened that were unbelievably

impactful that scarred me? It was just the right amount that turned me to do the right and be good. And what if I had 10 or 15, you know, or what if there was, or what if there were none of them? Right, or yeah, or what if there was none of them? What would I have been like?

Would I have been a little spoil brat because I got none, I got all this love? Isn't it interesting how our, your situations can either, can either forge you or, you know, into this incredible, successful, determined human being or it can break you. And it's almost like a combination.

You have to have the right combination and how do you know what that is? And I don't know, man, it's crazy. Because I feel like some people will succeed no matter what. You know what I mean? I think like you're one of those people, I think you hear certain situations and stories like, you know, you hear about like Oprah, somebody we've talked about many times with the most successful people of all time.

She came up through incredible, under incredibly difficult circumstances from as a child all the way up until, you know, you know, she succeeded. And which, you know, is she the kind of person that would have succeeded no matter what? Or was it because of her? So it's so tough to speak of that. Is she the kind of person that would have succeeded no matter what? Or was it because of her? It's so tough to speak of that. I do know that when you're that age, at least,

and I shared, when we were all and just got back from Hollywood, we were in there, we stayed up and we're out in the jacuzzi and I was sharing a story with you guys that I hadn't shared. And those memories definitely, or those things, those situations definitely forged me who I am today. And it makes other other thing it changes your perspective right because when you're a young kid and you're coming up and you go through shit like that Like you do feel alone and you do feel scared and it's and it's like for you It's the end of the world right at seven years old that those moments that that you went through

Did feel but then I made it through and so then it makes me go in the things that other people, which is why too, I had to deal with a lot of, I didn't have a lot of empathy for people as I got older. So one thing that I was, which is still a part of my life. It was probably hard for you to even understand why they were tripping out of other things.

Right, right, right. People, yeah. Yeah, like people would would vent to me. And I'm definitely not one like that shares a lot of these stories. If you ask me, I'm an open book. Like if someone digs into me and says, like, tell me about this at him and asks deeper,

like, I'll share my story instead of that, especially if it can benefit somebody, but I'm most certainly not somebody to say, poor me, this was like this. So, I think that when you do go through things like that, it does change your perspective on the other shit, which is I think in turn, help me out as an adult later on. But it always makes you wonder that,

was it just one more situation or two more situations that could have turned me for the... Yeah, that could have been, I just had to fuck it, right? Give up, this is life- I carried it. Yeah, and you wonder that. So I was just curious about you guys. I mean, it's crazy to me to hear you say those,

you guys give this example of like, you whack your kids on the butt one time because you lost your temper and I'm like, fuck, dude. They're gonna be okay, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the shit we worry about all the time.

We don't want to tip them over the edge, you know what I mean? It's not even so much, I just feel bad. I'll tell you what was some things I was really impactful for me was learning how my dad grew up and learning how my grandfather grew because he was poor. They were very, very poor. My dad grew up with lots of siblings. Him and his brothers shared one bed until he moved out until he was 18 years old and got married. He shared a bed with his three brothers in one, not even like king size bed.

And they slept, you know, head to feet, you know, so like kind of staggered or whatever. Yeah, until he, till the day he moved out, they did that. My grandparents didn't have, I mean, my dad didn't have a phone, they didn't have a phone in the house, even when he moved out. In fact, my grandparents got a phone,

I think by the time my sister was born, then they finally got a phone. So they would go somewhere else to make phone calls and stuff. It's crazy. Great, I mean, nine years old, he was working, born, then they finally got a phone. So they would go somewhere else to make phone calls and stuff. So very great. I mean, nine years old, he was working, not just like, like going with his dad to fuck around, like, he had a job.

Like he had to go and do this work. And they'd pay him like a nothing, because he's a kid and he'd come home and give it to his mom or whatever. And he tells a story of how when he was, he was like 13 and his mom would let him, you know, she would take the money that he earned and then she'd give him a little bit for himself and he could use it to, you know,

to if you wanted to go watch a movie or something like that. And he saved up, I don't remember what he told me it was a long time, like two years. He saved up all these coins or whatever and he went and he bought a used bike. So he buys this bike and he puts it together and fixes it or whatever, and he went and he bought a used bike. So he buys this bike and he puts it together and fixes it or whatever, because it was all fucked up. And he was like the most proudest moment of life.

So he's got this bike, he's riding it around, he's so proud of himself, he's the only thing you're own. And he showed up late for work. And his dad, he worked with the same place with his dad, showed up late for work because he was playing on his bike. So my grandfather ran over his bike with, with their, oh dude, that hurts me. Yeah, it was like, yeah, it's like,

they have these three wheeled trucks that they use to sell fruit on or whatever, and he ran it over. And my dad's like, he always refreshed in. Yeah, he always remember that. So my dad got super mad and yelled at his dad for it and then what you don't do. And so he had to sleep outside.

So he went out in the house. And I'm like, when I was a kid, I hear the story and I'm like, yeah, but then I got older and I asked him, like, did you really like sleep outdoors, like outside your house as a kid? And he goes, oh yeah, and he goes, my mom snuck me food because my dad told her don't even feed me. Like, just leave him out there for a couple of days,

so he learns less. So she snuck inside, hear all these stories, and I'm like, holy shit, man. Crazy, right? Crazy, crazy, crazy stories. We're all soft. This is the end of the day. Bring on the soft bird, gag.

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That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Shannon Boogie. Why do you think women are typically more susceptible to body distortion and eating disorders and or food relationship issues than men are? It's easy. Shout out to Shannon, good friend of mine. That's all the fucking marketing, man. Yeah, there.

It's because women have been marketed to like that for a very long time and it's just become the norm. Now you have to, so let's dive deeper into this, because as we all know, the market, the market, it drives behaviors, but behaviors also drive the market. Absolutely. So there's also, there's two sides to it. I mean, women are the women by more. They're responding to that type of... To the consumer.

Yeah, they're responding to that type of marketing. It's working, so they're going to continue to do that, and it's just like feeding the beast. It is, and the other thing I'm thinking about too, is I think part of it, there's some roots here, right? Men tend to be more visually stimulated than women, we're more visual than women are. And so I think that women knowing this place more emphasis on how they look and on presentation.

And so it kind of feeds this, it's a cycle, right? It's the cycle that kind of feeds itself. Marketers know this, or whether they know this consciously or unconsciously in the beginning. And so when they start to market and they market to insecurities, they market to don't be fat or you're too skinny or whatever, women respond very strongly to it. And it just does this kind of, this cycle type of thing.

To the point now where marketing is such a big part of our lives, I mean, it's such a matter, think about it this way, there isn't anything that you consume today where marketing isn't injected in some way. And it's a good and bad thing. Part of it is bad because, again, we're getting all these messages, but part of it is also, it's what funds our ability to get information. Like, if YouTube didn't have advertising, if TV didn't have

advertising, nothing had advertising, then the only way to it for them to even provide what we want is I guess to have membership services like you have to pay a fee or whatever. But definitely they're more susceptible partly because that's just what you're brought up as a kid. Think about it being a young girl and I watch this by the way with my kids. I have obviously two kids, a boy and a girl. And I see how the girls pay attention to how they look and how each other look way before the boys even notice.

The boys don't even notice anything necessarily about the girls. And that's very harsh towards one another. You know, as far as as looks are concerned too. Girls more so than guys, sometimes I feel. They're very harsh, guys don't harsh on other things, but when it comes to appearance, women can be very, very harsh with each other,

but it's one of those things, it's like, I don't know if we're necessarily, I don't wanna blame anybody or anything, I think just talking about it's an important thing Well, I also think that I Don't think there is much as discrepancy as every way thinks too. I think I think we just Show it differently, right? Like I think I think men have just as much or have just as many insecurities, right? There's a different. Yeah, they're just they're different ones, right? And then I think that, and same thing with the body

just towards, like, guys still trust me, guys look at every part of their body from, I'm head to toe. I mean, how many, how many young men go through that, that phase where they're really shy about being naked around other guys and, you know, and then how, how many dick jokes are out there and you don't know if you're normal or average or above average, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of other things that guys deal with that's a little bit different, but it's

kind of in the same category. We just don't talk about as much and we handle it differently, right? We punch each other and we tease each other. Hey, little dick, come on over here. You can bury that down real deep. Right. You know, so it is. But I think it's no emotion.

I think it's more, I think it's more equal than people think, dude. I think it's definitely bad on both sides, but when you're, like if you look at mental disorders, men lead, we lead the charge, we have more mental disorders than women do. However, if you look at certain categories, you can clearly see,

yeah, but that can, couldn't that number alone be skewed just from war? From being in war? Yeah. Or perhaps, but they've done studies on, period of time when there wasn't war, and men, we just tend to suffer for them.

This is just, actually this is not even a debate, science is a pretty, the pretty unanimous on this, just maintain a suffer for mental disorders. Moreover, in particular categories of that, you do see dominance of women, and one of which is eating disorders.

Eating disorders are far, that's a much, much higher percentage of women who have eating disorders versus men. Now, of course, there's something we're not necessarily factoring in there. And that is that women are far more likely to talk about when they have an issue. Whereas men are taught to not talk about certain things. So if a woman feels something or is having a problem, she's more likely to call out for help, whereas a guy tends to not.

And you can see this with suicide. The suicide rate is much higher in men, but the suicide attempt rate is relatively similar. So women attempt suicide at higher rates as well, but they just don't, they don't follow through or they don't actually do it because it could be viewed as, you know, calling out for help. Where's the guy? Is that going to call for help?

And then finally, when he does it, he actually, he's going to do it. He actually does it. So, but yeah, it's, it sucks because I have a daughter and I know what kind of world she's, you know, she's being, you know, raised in. I know what she's, especially with social media and what she's going to see. I know her dad is in the fitness industry and I'm surrounded by all this and I'm representing fitness and health and all that stuff and she's going to one day look at my Instagram with my flexing pictures and all that other stuff and is that going to, that could go both to directions.

It can make it harder on her, you her, because I could only imagine if my, I know how I felt growing up being skinny and my dad being this kind of athletic strong guy, like what if he was a bodybuilder, what if he was in that world, would that make me feel worse or would it help? I don't know, it's a tough thing, but I tell you what,

we have the power to change this right away. If women just decided, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna wear high heels anymore. Or like, if you really think about it, and this is gonna piss some people off, but I'm just speaking objectively, if you really think about some of the stuff that we do, to make ourselves appear so much.

To peacock. It's fucking ridiculous. Yeah. Like, think about on both sides though, that's not just women. It's true. It's true, men are fucking just as bad if not worse. Well, I think it's both sides, but some of the stuff that women do is downright dangerously, I mean, like, let's talk about high heels.

You are literally creating horrible imbalances throughout the entire body for what? It's a really crazy way. Make sure you have hamstrings and butt look great. Exactly. It's really's really crazy when you can cause hamstrings and butt look great. Yeah, exactly. It's really, really crazy when you think about it. Now guys, of course, we do stupid shit like when we try and show off and by the, you know, the lifted truck or the faster car.

Oh, dude, back off the lift to truck motherfucker. Easy dude. Hold on a second. How many guys have lifted trucks that never do shit with them? Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? I'm just, I'm just being objective here. Of course, everybody, you everybody, you have a right

to do whatever you want to look particular way, but it's pretty crazy stuff, but yeah, women are far more susceptible, and in fitness, women dominate as consumers. Do you think we're getting worse or better? I think there's more awareness around it, but maybe the awareness is higher because it's worse. Wasn't that like a big push for the, real look as far as like not overly big up to

everything. Because we're also connected, there is this, you know, and we saw that when we just talked about this just recently about the, um, which I'm gonna call it, where you're, okay, with, you love your body, you love yourself, even when you're 100 pounds over the way. That's a part of it, of heading the it of heading back because we went the other direction so far, right, of glorifying these anorexic models on the cover of magazines and now it's like, no, this is not right.

So then we went to the other extreme. So hopefully we'll find someone to balance, but I definitely think we are worse right now. But it feels like it, right? Yeah. I mean, and that's to me in my opinion like I think Insta especially after and I can't wait for you guys to listen to The episode that we did with Christina from oh, yeah, actually talked about this. Yeah, like she

Her her listening to her being 22 years old and her insight and then her sharing about this You know, was it seven-year-old she said that had that she talked to, you know, and what they're going through with like Instagram and all that like, wow, it blew my mind. I was aware of it. We talk about it on the show. Crazy impacts that we didn't even realize. Yeah, that, you know what, that it's like, it's forming them right now and you we don't know, we need 10, 20 more years before we see what's that going to turn them into adults, right? Like what's gonna happen to them when they get into adults? And are they going to be able to rebound from it,

growing up through this, you know, Instagram era right now? It is like, Sal says it is like Narcissus Heaven, you know? Like it's definitely changing kids' perspective on what's cool, what's not, am I good looking, am I getting enough likes or attention and like it's taking that to a whole new level. And it's always been there, right? But it's different now. And what pisses me off is we'll take something that's good.

And then next thing you know, it turns into something that's bad again. Like for example, the strength movement that we are seeing with women. We've been in fitness for 20 years, right? I've seen how the industry's marketed to women for two decades. I've been in it professionally. I see how women respond to workouts and stuff like that. And relatively recently, only recently has it been kind of cool for a woman to be strong. And Lefoy, for a long time, it wasn't even like,

being strong wasn't even a good thing. Yeah. Like, didn't want to get strong, because I was masculine. All of a sudden now, women are like, yeah, I want to, you know, build some muscle and I want to get stronger. I've never heard women say that before.

I didn't hear that for the first, at least 15 years I was in the industry. But now we're turning that into, but in plants. We're turning it into, I have to have a six pack, we're turning it into extreme. And it's like, fuck man, we can't, what's going on? Why can't we just take something good and leave it there?

Yeah, why does that have to go in that fucking direction? It's kind of infuriating. I tell you what, like I said, we're rewarding people for that. Totally. Like, stop following these pages and stuff. Like, people will change, the market will change its behavior

if you show them that you're not paying for it anymore. And I think people are becoming more savvy. Again, because this was early on, right? So the big rush of Instagram, when it's over the, three years or so, the explosion of it, it's, it's, now we're kind of seeing like the, you know, the cream rise to the top as far as what,

what people should be aspiring to be like versus the facade that was put out there. And people are getting called out now, right? So you're starting to see that, that transparency is king right now and that the more people that are being real and being straightforward are starting to get a little up. It's still not at that point where it gets everybody because I still see this really young

generation still gravitating towards, you know, the flashy cars, the, you know, half naked pictures and the look at me type of deal, use of Instagram. But I feel like it'll change. I just worry more about the age group that is going through this during their formative years, like if you got three, four years of this, it could really form and shape your perspective. And now I think about it.

When we were kids, there really wasn't a, like a positive, there weren't too many popular positive voices for women in this regard, right? I can't remember too many. Today, I can think of several, for example, podcasts, which didn't exist back then, but I can think of several podcasts that are hosted by women or that are in the fitness space, like ours, like we try and put out that positive message, where that's the underlying theme. So I guess the information's out there now and it's more accessible.

Like I think, do you guys remember, I remember like Oprah, she would do some of these episodes on it, you know, but it really wasn't a big message back then. It wasn't popular at least. And today I can think of several like podcasts alone, like we have Julie Bauer coming in from paleoomg, and she pushes out that message. She got a rather to the popular.

I'm sure there's been a lot of strong women that have been saying this message for a long time. It just, we're more aware of it now because the ability to connect to somebody instantly, right? With Facebook and Instagram and the podcasting and YouTube, that didn't exist 15 years ago. So I think as a society, I think there's still people that were emotionally intelligent aware people that saw this, knew that we're trying to get this message out.

We're not the first ones to think that, you know, the skinny model look and the anorexia thing, marketing is not a good thing or a healthy thing for women. People have been saying that for a long time. It's just now the voice, people's voices, stuff happens faster. You say this all the time. It's so true. The power of the internet, the power of social media now, people can get away with shit,

but you can't get away with shit for very long. Yeah, I know. You know what I'm saying? Bullshit will eventually be found out. And it gets found out at a much faster rate now. I mean, example, the rise and fall of that company Shreds. I mean, it was only the rise, the rise in fall of like that company shreds. I mean, it was only three years ago when we first talked about them. And now they're on top of the world. Yeah. And now they're not existent, man. That's crazy. You know what

it makes me think of is like I have a good example. I when I did, I had a short stint in yoga years ago. And I remember going to a few yoga studios, but there was one in particular, it was a bigger one. And the people that went there were super clicky. They all had on the like the expensive yoga clothes. They all looked at me kind of weird. There was another woman that was new in the class. And it was kind of like that, you know, they made her feel. And it was like, and yoga really the essence of yoga

is supposed to be, you know, you come in, it's your own practice. Welcome me. Welcome me. And I remember feeling like this place is disgusting. And it was just, it was created, it was like you can turn anything into this negative shit and you can turn anything into a positive.

Like, you know, being lean and fit and all that stuff can be very positive, it can be very, very positive. And you just have to turn into this negative self image type of thing. But the irony of this is, the crazy irony of all of this is, if when you do truly care about yourself and when you really do have a good self image, or at least you love, you know, yourself enough to take care of yourself, the ultimate side effect of that is then you start to look healthy, which then of course looks fit and lean and all those other things.

So the irony is not only we're killing ourselves emotionally, but we're also physically, we're also doing the opposite of what we should be doing, even if that's our only goal. So it's a strange situation. I don't know. I hope one of my personal dreams for the fitness industry is that it starts to become, among other things, a voice for this, where people, girls, and boys, and men

and women turn to the fitness industry when they're feeling shitty about themselves, and the fitness industry makes them feel good. And that just helps them learning how to exercise and eat right and all stuff, but they go to it and they'll end up feeling worse. They end up actually feeling good. And I hope I hope that's what we can do with our show and hope that's what the fitness industry ends up turning into.

Next question is from Grace Malin. If you are eating in a surplus or deficit and are going through maps and a ballack, technically you are not setting yourself up to gain muscle or lose weight. So then what are you doing? Just doing a little muscle building? This is a good question because I think people think that you have to be in a surplus to gain muscle or you have to be in a surplus to gain muscle or you have to be in a deficit to lose body fat. Now, are both of those things important components and do they contribute?

Definitely. Can you change the stimulus so that what you are already eating is repartitioned and more geared towards muscle. And away from fat, yes. In fact, I love using this example at times. I've had this to pay so many times online on fitness forums where I get on there and there'd be some bodybuilder dude and he'd be like,

no, you gotta eat tons of calories, you won't build muscle this and that. And then I'll always use this argument. And I'll say, okay, if you took somebody, didn't change their workout, didn't change their diet, at all, just gave them anabolic steroids. Would we see them have at least a little bit of muscle gain in maybe a little bit of fat loss?

And of course, always quiet. And because they know that that likelihood is that that would probably happen, just because we're changing the signal. So I've seen this with myself, or if I change my programming, so it's really, really good exercise programming and my diet doesn't change,

I all of a sudden get stronger, build muscle, and get leaner, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you just change the stimulus. Yeah, so that's, your body will definitely respond to new stimulus, a new environment, things that, you know, you're presenting like, so I'll say as far far as the signal is concerned, that's what's telling the body, like,

hey, we need to overcome these forces, so therefore we need to build. However, it's a temporary signal, right? It gets weak over a certain period of time where now we have to look at changing it up again, but definitely calories are gonna contribute towards that. It's part of the equation. Another good example is they do studies on myostatin inhibition.

So myostatin in the body is like a governor for muscle growth. It's actually the most powerful, one of the most powerful things that we've identified in mammals that tells the body, the animal, whether it's human or whatever, to how much muscle it can have and how much muscle it won't have. And when they genetically modify these, because they've tested, they're trying to come up with drugs that actually do this, but when they genetically modify animals,

where they have much, much lower levels of myostatin, they call them myostatin inhibited animals, they don't feed them anymore. They don't even give them any more activity. It's like the same activity, the same food, and they're fucking... They just look freakish. Massively muscular. I mean, that's another example of a signal that can change what your body does with what

it consumes. That doesn't have to, you know, you don't have to change necessarily. Your food, but I do want to be clear, eating a surplus or deficit, very important also. If you don't do that, your results aren't gonna work. Well, I think the question comes because we don't put as much emphasis on the bulk of it. Right, and so, and I think that's because I think it's been abused.

I think there's especially in the bodybuilding world, there's a total misconception of what it takes to build five pounds or ten pounds of muscle. The way these guys are doing these bulks where they are, you know, they're just in this pushing calories every day. I'm trying to get more calories. And I was this kid too. This is totally how I used to try and gain muscle. This is, I was under the same impression.

Like all the bodybuilding.com forums, this is what everybody, it's winter time, it's bulk time. You're on the bulk for three, four months at a time, where you're just eating everything in sight. And yeah, absolutely, you can build some muscle there, but you're also gonna put a lot of body fat on it. And what I didn't realize in back then, as a kid, I was so afraid to have a day of not hitting

my targets, right? To be short 500 or a thousand calories, because in my head I thought, oh, fuck, I'm in the bulk. No way could I be a thousand calories less than what my body needs or else my body's going to eat muscle or I'm definitely not going to build. And that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, if I would have known what I know now, I would have consistently put fasting days in my bulks to actually get my body to drop down, re-synthetize everything, right? Get it primed and ready to build again versus oversaturating everything all the time.

Because I use the analogy like a sponge, you know? And think of like these are all your receptors, all your body is ready to soak up when it's completely squeezed out and dry like after a fasting, and then you feed it all these nutrients, the body just takes it absorbs it all really well. And then think about if you're just pouring gallons of water over that sponge, like yeah, the sponge is going to get some of the water absolutely, but a lot of it's going to run right through. Think of it like that with our body. Like if you're constantly oversaturating the body with surplus, surplus, surplus, surplus,

sure you're getting, you're getting, we're trying to, which people are trying to get the insulin, right? That's why everyone's trying, everyone's trying to spike blood sugar, spike insulin, insulin's supposed to help me build muscle, and that's the theory behind that. But then you just get resistant from it. You do, the irony is they've done studies

and show embalking within days. People start to develop really low levels, but noticeable where they can test it, of insulin resistance. So you start to lose that. In fact, the funny thing is, if you make this argument that during a bulk, it's a good idea to throw in some fast

or some low calorie days, you'll hear a bunch of argument. Like people will fight back, oh, no, you just got a bulk man, just keeping it whatever. But if you flip it and you tell a body builder, hey, it's a good day when you're dieting. It's a good, it's a good idea.

Yeah, to throw in some extra calories, everybody's gonna agree and be like, well, no, every time I do that, I end up getting leaner. Same fucking thing. It is the same thing. It is actually the same thing. And that's a great, great point you just made right there

because cheat meals and cheat days are so fucking popular right now. It makes total sense. Farb cycling, like bodybuilders have known for a long time. You know, they've been in versus. They've known for a long time if you spike calories in the middle of a cut, that you get better results. But if you tell them if you drop calories in the middle of a bulk that it's good, they'll argue with your

in debate all day long. It's the same thing that's happening in the body. Adaptation is, you know, we talk about this all the time. Whether it be your skin, whether it be the this all the time, whether it be your skin, whether it be your weight training program, whether it be nutrition, the body is, it's pretty similar all the way around, man, is you can do stuff for a while to it, and then after a while, it gets efficient, and then those responses that all the studies talk about, because that's the part that pissing me off, is we take the studies, and we tell people like,

oh, when you eat in a colaric surplus, you get a spike of this, and a spike of that, and that produces this, and it's like, oh, when you eat in a Clark surplus, you get a spike of this and a spike of that and that produces this. And it's like, okay, so what do we do? We do it all the time. But it's like, okay, well, the study doesn't tell you what happens when you do that for three, four, five, six weeks consistently. Well, when you do that, then it starts the return, start to diminish. We only know about those studies in particular because those are ones getting paid for because

of, you know of the marketing efforts of these supplement companies. Exactly. The funny thing too is, I mean, I used to bulk for months. Oh yeah. And when I mean by months, what I mean is, I was always on the bulk. So I was never trying to cut,

but I would go for months where I would push the bulk. Really, really hard. And I remember, man, it's so funny how unaware you can make yourself, just because you're so focused on something, I get all these great strength gains and stuff, like the first like three or four weeks, and then I just keep pushing it, and then at that point, all I would care about was a scale.

I stopped paying attention to my strength, I stopped paying, it was just a scale. Oh cool, I'm getting through, I'm 100%. And it's like, I didn't even care for the fact. I never cared about my strength. All I cared about was that skill weight going on. So backwards. Isn't that hilarious?

But, you know, I tell you what, when it comes to, look, think about this way, a pound of human muscle, if you were to analyze it contains, I don't know, I'm gonna be very general, but around 150 grams of protein. So if you think of it that way, and let's say you want to gain,

is that true? Hold on that much. Yeah, about, so a pound of chicken would be about 140. So I'm assuming it's around, between 120 to 150. So let's just say it's 150. It's going to high end. If you, if it's a one-to-one conversion

of protein to muscle, and you, you, you want to gain a pound of muscle a week, which by the way, good luck, like gaining a pound of muscle a week, which by the way, good luck, like gaining a pound of muscle every week, you are the most genetically gifted individual on the face of the earth. But let's just say you can do that. Let's just for argument's sake,

that you can gain a hundred, you can gain a one pounds of muscle of lean body mass on your body every single week. Divide 150 grams of protein by seven days. That's an additional 20 grams of protein a day. It ain't the, it ain't the, what is that? 80 calories? That's not the freaking, oh, yeah, dude, I just bought my, my, my protein up by 80 grams and I'm eating an extra whatever carbs and, you know, I'm eating another 1000 calories a day. Like, right, right. You know,

I'm saying, and that's if you gained a pound of lean body mass, the same as conception with pregnant women and, and how much more than you need. They've been eating for two for so many years. You know how much you can, you know how many extra calories you actually need about 140. I've got that. But 140 is all you need. Like a Greek yogurt dude.

That's all you need actually. I mean for two. Right. So I gained 100 pounds. Nick Ford Health, what opportunities do you see in the fitness plan market? Now that bodybuilding.com has made their previously free workout plans a monthly

subscription service. I haven't heard many customers approve of that decision. Oh, this is bodybuilding.com. Oh, scrambling. They're scrambling, dude. Scrambling to try and make some money and turn, turn, I mean, obviously the model in the back in the days was advertising right was selling supplement. Yeah, when dot com's first started explode No, I mean just in general like how to I see back when dot com exploded it was build a Website that was drafted so much that you could charge for advertising and body milling dot com is an example this how they Made most of their money at the beginning was. Yeah, you should get a million somethings, like impressions a day. Right, and now I can charge for all these banners and all this, this click shit all over it, and that's where they make a majority of their money.

Well, that day is dying. Like, it's no longer do you see these websites littered with all kinds of advertising and advertised advertisers are going other places like podcasting and other mediums that are far more beneficial than sitting on the sidebar of a website. And so, and there's more good information that's being passed around than BodyBillion.com. BodyBillion.com used to be the place.

The old guard. In fact, I feel like mine pump is like, you know, mercola.com had sex with BodyBillion.com. Right? So two of the most traffic. That is controversial. Two of the most, two of the most traffic websites, right? Bodybuilding.com, Dr. Marcola, you know, is another one that's up there. And a lot of the message that we give is kind of a blend of the two of them, right?

Bodybuilding.com, they've had good information in the past. You're right, lots of advertising. They made a lot of their money selling supplements. They still do. But their, Amazon now entered the supplement market. And Amazon, they've got a lot of them. They've got a lot of them. They've got a lot of them. They've got a lot of their money selling supplements, they still do, but their, Amazon now entered the supplement market. There you go.

And Amazon is killing the destroyer of all all the businesses. Because Amazon really didn't sell supplements before. So if you wanted body, if you wanted any kind of a muscle building, fat loss type of a supplement, you either went to GNC or vitamin shop or you went to bodyC or vitamin shop, or you went to bodybuilding.com, bodybuilding.com, killed GNC. Like, they destroyed the profits of those stores,

because now you have this place online, you can order it in its cheaper. Well, Amazon is doing that to all the supplement stores. Number one, because the prices are better for the most part. And number two, because buying stuff on Amazon is easy. You just click it and buy it. I don't have to enter my credit card to all this other stuff. So I think they're like, shit, how do we make money now?

Now for us, as a business, as mind pump, we sell programs. That's the main way that we monetize. We first of all know how important good exercise programming is. We place a lot of time and effort in our programming. It's different than what's out there and it's effective. I think bodybuilding.com programs in the past were just thrown together. You know what I mean? It was just like- Cut in peace. Yeah, here's your body parts split, here's your whatever, it wasn't really much thought

that went into it. For us, this is a good thing. They're gonna now charge for their shitty programming. It's just gonna bring, I think, more people to the market. There's no real filter with them. I mean, the way they decide somebody is a bodybuilding.com athlete that comes on, it comes on and actually gives out advice. Has very little to do with their credentials, their experience, and their knowledge.

Oh, it's how they look. A programming. It's, yeah, it's how they look. A programming. It's, yeah, it's how marketable are they? Are you fit? Are you good looking? Do you have a following in that? No different than like shape magazine or whatever. Right, and so I think they're fucked

because you, and now you're gonna try and pay a monthly subscription to these crappy workouts that are people that are people who are passing out that are not very credible And that's not to say all of them because I know there's always exceptions the rule and I'm sure there's somebody's listening right now I'm like, oh no, I follow so and so and he's really smart and he gives great information No, of course, I'm sure there's somebody on bodybuilding.com that's putting out some good information But they haven't really been this like the excellent authority for a while

I mean in the early days used to be able to go on there and learn about analog steroids, learn about, they took most of that information off, they kind of, you know, became, you know, much more commercial. You know what I find that's interesting about all this is, and we're seeing another example, this is just another example of it. You have companies that enter a space,

they dominate because there's no competition, because let's be honest, BodyMill.com had no competition when they first came on the internet. They start to crush it, they do well, because they're big, because they're doing well, they become this big ship in the ocean that's hard to turn, or their egos get so big,

it's like blockbuster when Netflix went in and said, hey, we wanna work with you and blockbuster laughed them out of the room, next thing you know, blockbuster's bankrupt and Netflix is killing it. It's like, bodybuilding.com should have seen this a while ago. They should have seen what was going on. Amazon's crushing us.

You know, hey guys, we need to pivot and switch. I don't think the selling the programs is the right pivot for them, you know, at all. I think, I'll tell you what the name is. You can't, you can't go back that way. You could have started that way. And you, and possibly have done that a long time ago, but to do that now, that's gonna be really tough.

When you're, especially when you're providing most of that stuff for free. The name of the game is media. Who's producing the most and the best media that's out there? Through all platforms, right? That's all platforms. Because some people are Facebook people, some people are Twitter people,

some people are Instagram people, some people are getting on the web still and googling stuff like It really got to be able to provide it's we're in a content war. We're in a con and bodybuilding.com own the content Oh, yeah for a very long time. They own it But there are the it's the old guard. You're seeing the changing and we're seeing that we're just talking about this with movies Hollywood and Netflix coming in and fucking punking them, you know Now you're seeing Amazon punk fucking bodybuilding.com. So I love it. It's fun to watch.

I learned so much from watching scrambling companies like this. This is the type of stuff that I love to follow. Was it Amazon Air the Olympia? Yeah. So they're going in on shows and everything. Talk about a ball that bodybuilding.com just fucking drugs.

Oh yeah. Like they could have, like capitalized on that in big ways, but then of course they had their own, you know, your rival. They had the capital, the muscle, the size, to have really put themselves in a better position for this day and now it's just, in my opinion, it's too late. You gotta be sh-

Amazone. Oh, Amazon. Amazon has already came in the back door and has got a hold of the body building industry and they're only gonna squeeze tighter. Like, you saw them, they're now doing the streaming for the Olympia, which is one of the smartest things they could do for the last two years

and just watched the way they evolve that. I mean, they got money. They got fuck you money, so they can come in and do whatever they want to do, and they're gonna bully bodybuilding.com right out. So it'll be interesting to see what we see them doing, but I see a company that's scrambling and trying to figure things out

because shit's turning upside down for them. Next question is from S Striker 10. What are your top three dream podcast guests? Oh wow. I know, Sal, I know mine. I don't know Justin's. Yeah. Do you know yours on top of your head, Justin?

My top three like dream guests. Yeah. No, not top just, oh, top three. Okay. I was just thinking one. Well, just this, we can go wrong. George Lucas. Okay.

Oh, okay. That's one. Should have known that. Shame on me. You would ask him some, some like such hard for fan questions. You know, that, you know what I mean, Adam would be like, what? No, I would, but it's seen for, you know. Yeah, I literally would just want to get, like pick his brain and get inside his thought

processes, how, you know, how he, he put it all together. But anyway, yeah, yeah, him for sure. And then I think, I mean, Joe Rogan would be amazing. Fuck, that'd be awesome. Like just because I just love what he's created and his attitude towards business in general and just like how everybody comes to him and he sort of created this platform

that has been a game changer. So, and then maybe, it's tough, man. Like, I don't really look at other, I don't know, I don't have a lot of people I like follow. Like, oh my God, if I hadn't hit them, I would be like, fuck. You know, like, I have to think of my last one. I think so, what's funny is we actually, when we first started the show three years ago, yeah you said you could.

There were a few podcasts that we looked up to for a number of reasons. Not necessarily because of the content, although this one I'm going to mention, we love their content because they're just fucking hilarious and they're great chemistry and all that. But when we first started podcasting, we looked at all the podcasts and we said, okay, what are people doing good that we really like? You know, just because obviously that's our market and there's some shows that we really,

you know, I use the word model after, after not necessarily because we copied them, but because we identified like, oh shit, that's really good. And one of them was the fighter in the kid. The chemistry between Brendan and Brian on the show was so natural and funny and great and conversational that we felt like we kind of had something similar.

And so we mentioned their shows so many times. And so I feel like we just interviewed Brendan and Chobb. Collectively,ively that's one of our dream guests just because that's what we talked about. Yeah for sure. Him and Brian both. He's definitely one of them. Love to have Brian on the show. I don't be the next one. Would you love to have, yeah I connect, I like them both. I think they're both awesome. But Brian, I feel like I connect you more only because some of the stuff he talks about, I feel like I can get really good conversations with him. Joe Rogan for sure just because he's the king of podcasting.

And I think that would be freaking awesome in our space, he kind of is the guy. So that'd be awesome to have him on the show. As far as a third one, I mean, that's a tough one, because those are the top ones that I can think about. I think I would like just for controversy sake, just to see what this person would say and to push their buttons.

I would love to have Donald Trump. Oh, wow. Hey, don't shoot for the stars or anything. Hey, it's dream. They said dream. I'll tell you why. That's a good call, dude. I tell you why.

That is a good call. I'll tell you why because I feel like he won't shy away from what I'm asking for. Oh, I'm sure, too. And I want to push at him really hard. He dig deep. Just to see what would happen just cause controversy Yeah, and I feel like it would be exciting. I feel like that. I mean obviously an episode with little shrimp would go viral But I mean it would be I just want to like I said I want to push his butt and see what it inside see what how we respond

Yeah, that's a fucking great call. So you said Joe you said Donald and then who else you say? You said Brian, Brian. Donald, and then who else you say? You said Brian Calam. Brian, okay, so those are your three. Yeah, it's cool. Everyone's a different one, so I'm sorry. My last one, okay, finished another project. It's still something. All right, go ahead. Rob Deer deck.

Come on, come on, you take my guy, dude. Sorry, sorry, dude. So, and what you think of like? You guys share a dick or something. For me, that's, so Rob Deerdick is for sure, somebody, and what's really fucking awesome is, we, that's going to happen. There's no doubt in my mind that's gonna happen.

The relationship that we've already forged with Chris and we definitely hit it off. I've been talking to him on a regular basis already. So it's pretty exciting for me. That was already a cool thing too, because he was a part of that. And I know. That's another one we've talked about since day one.

Right. So I think that one's really cool and I'm looking forward to when that day comes because I know it will come that we get a chance to interview Rob and Rob is just a fucking mogul, dude. He's any such a funny, cool and very unassuming, intelligent, brilliant man, right? So I think and so I think that episode would just be full of gold. So I would love to interview him. Second would be Tony Robbins.

I think Tony Robbins would just, if there's anybody that would inspire me just to talk to them or motivate me, I think that guy would just get my juices flowing and he's an open book. And guys got so much experience. I think there's so many things that I wanna ask him. So those are my top two.

And then my third one, I would want some fucking amazing, brilliant, articulate business persons like a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk or somebody in that field. Elon will be fun. Right, somebody likes somebody of that field. You're long, little fun. Right, somebody likes, somebody of that caliber of in business that just, because I sit here all the time and speculate what companies are doing, and I love these are type of books that I love to read

and stuff like that, but I'm willing to bet that when I were to sit down in a room with someone like that, it would just blow my mind because their brain works differently, like he's probably, I think I'm so far ahead the way I'm thinking, because I'm reading the right books or paying attention to stuff and he's probably fucking a hundred steps ahead of me. And so I would love to just absorb that information

and knowledge from like somebody that brilliant. So those are probably my, those topics. Hey, some of the ones we mentioned are relatively realistic. You know what I mean? Most of them are pretty realistic. Or there's one person away from most of those, right? So Chris, to Rob and Brandon Brandon, to Gellin. Brian, to Joe, and Gellin, so no, absolutely.

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