Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 655: The Hidden Dangers of Sucralose, How to Distinguish Listening to Body from Making Excuses, the Physical Cost of an Unhealthy Mind & MORE

Episode Date: December 6, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about sucralose and the ...gut connection, how to tell when you are "listening to your body" versus making excuses for yourself, clients they have injured and if it’s possible for a person with an unhealthy mind to have a healthy body. Mushroom Stamper and HotChicks4Me / Old handles and email names (6:00) Who would you elect for President? (11:59) Matt Lauer fired / Trump taking down Hollywood? (15:57) The Punisher (23:56) Sal is back in the steam room! (25:26) Quah question #1 – Sucralose and the gut connection (32:45) Mind Pump Sampler from Thrive Market (43:10) Quah question #2 – How can you tell when you are listening to your body or just making excuses for yourself? (44:44) Quah question #3 – Have you ever injured a client or had one injured on your watch? (54:56) Quah question #4 – Is it possible for a person with an unhealthy mind to have a healthy body? (1:06:23) Related Links/Products Mentioned: So, you had questions about that button on Matt Lauer’s desk? Russell Simmons accused of sexual misconduct by Jenny Lumet Marvel's The Punisher | Netflix Official Site Organifi (Official Mind Pump sponsor) Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off Leaky Gut Syndrome: What Is It? Pinner Test Alterations in intestinal permeability - NCBI – NIH Thrive Market (Official Mind Pump sponsor) One FREE month’s membership  $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more Workout Because You Love Yourself Not Because You Hate Yourself (Mind Pump Blog Post) Understanding Brain, Mind and Soul: Contributions from Neurology and Neurosurgery Exercise Benefits Children's Brain Function - Mercola Peak Fitness Brain-derived Neurotrophic Factor People Mentioned: Dimitar Altiparmakov (@diminyc)  Instagram Dwayne Johnson (@TheRock)  Twitter Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)  Twitter Russell Simmons (@UncleRUSH)  Twitter David Carradine Steven Seagal Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand youred them to the glue. Everywhere I go. Adam Justin and president Sal talk about. Oh, God. The president. First we're talking about. We're never gonna hear it. We're never gonna hear it. Dimitar might have just de-throened you.
Starting point is 00:00:33 We talk about the president pull on our Facebook forum. We love our forum and they did it. They did it. They did it. Pull there. Who they would want to be president. We also talk about, you know what? Why don't you, why don't you take, not Adam?
Starting point is 00:00:45 Since you're bringing up the forum right now, why don't you tell everybody what we're gonna do with the forum? Oh, okay, it's a good time. So this month is your last chance ever to be able to get into our forum by paying $97 once for life. So in other words, if you pay $97,
Starting point is 00:01:02 you're in our forum forever. After this month, it's gonna be an annual fee. So you'll have to pay it every single year. But if you enroll this month, $97 once, our forum is awesome. It's freaking awesome. We've got some really smart people on there. We are on there ourselves every single day. It's a fun place to get support for fitness.
Starting point is 00:01:21 There's a lot of funny stuff that gets posted on there. It's like a reflection of the show. Right. A lot of times. A lot of times. Yeah, so it's pretty cool. So, we talk about Matt Lauer's creepy button. That's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:01:33 Son of a bitch. I think I mentioned Russell Simmons in that too. Right. Another disgusting man. They're all just going down. And then we started on Russell Simmons because he just, he just, that just recently came against it, right? Yeah, and we talk about the conspiracy theories behind this Hollywood
Starting point is 00:01:47 meltdown, Adam thinks someone else is behind all this. I think there's another person behind all this who's causing less people to go down. Or are they in bed together? Probably the earth is flat. Then Justin talks about the Punisher, you know, that are we call him the Punisher. And then we talk about my return to the steam room. Oh shit. Oh, it's the battle continues
Starting point is 00:02:07 It's naked. We also mentioned a couple of our sponsors. We mentioned Organify now if you go to organify shop.com forward slash mine pump you get a massive discount on their products We also mentioned Thrive Market. Thrive Market has all non-GMO products and lots of organic products, including skin products. We actually came up with an idea in this episode. You're going to like that one. If you go to ThriveMarket.com forward slash Mind Pump,
Starting point is 00:02:37 here's what you'll get. One month free membership. $20 off your first three orders of $49 and more and free shipping. Then we get into the question. The first question was, this particular individual has been consuming a particular type of protein powder, dimatized ISIL 100 in fact, every single day for a while. Not specific at all. They've been taking, and it's got sucralosinate.
Starting point is 00:03:01 All of a sudden they can't digest it. It just bothers their stomach. They want to take a vegan protein, but they all taste like dirt. What do we recommend in terms of protein and what may be going on? How come all of a sudden, they can't digest something
Starting point is 00:03:13 that they've always been able to digest? God made dirt and dirt don't hurt. In the past. The next question was, this particular individual loves our show, loves how we talk about listening to our body, but wants to know if she's listening to our body or if she's just making excuses.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Like, for example, you know, I'm not working out today. Am I listening to my body? No, I'm just lazy right now. The next question was, have Justin Adam over myself ever injured a client the answer is yes. And you're gonna love hearing about who's injured the most people. Why? You shouldn't be laughing, Justin. The final question is, it's like emotionally. Is it possible for a person to have an unhealthy mind, but have a healthy body? Can you separate the two or is it
Starting point is 00:04:02 all the same? Find out in this episode, of course, I did mention the forum is gonna be going up, again, this is your last chance, $97 once to get in. Oh, also, I forgot to mention this. If you enroll in any maps program or maps bundle, you'll get an offer right then and there to get 50% off the price of the forum as well.
Starting point is 00:04:25 So we got some great stuff going on. Just go to mindpumpmedia.com. So we haven't even announced in the show all the different close-up. Close-up. We have dad hats, we have the trucker bills, we've got the girls shirts that all the girls have been asking for like crazy.
Starting point is 00:04:41 We haven't made girls shirts. Hooking you up. So there's a long sleeve, I think there's a short sleeve also, and then there's a new, we train your trainer, mind pump shirt, black and gray. So a bunch of cool apparel. Yeah, so there's a bunch of apparel on the website. What else did you say, Doug? That's it.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Oh, and then we're doing questions and answers. Your quad. Oh yeah, on YouTube. Yeah, so we have like video quads on YouTube right now. We do like one question, but we go into detail on that on the we have a lot of fun to because you get to see us so if you haven't gone over to YouTube yet You're missing out. We're doing some cool stuff there for the Q&A episodes there You can actually find the quaw episodes and then ask questions underneath in the comments and then if we pick your question
Starting point is 00:05:22 We'll answer it in the comments and then if we pick your question we'll answer it in the following video episode. Just more ways to end up on the show. Boom. There you go. Absolutely. And it's t-shirt time. Awesome. So we had 12 reviews this last week.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Okay, soft. That's weak. Yeah, a little weak. And there's going to be four shirts going out. Thanksgiving hangover, bro. Oh, yeah. Day-saving hangover. That's what it is.
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Starting point is 00:05:59 Thanks, everybody. I remember my best friend and I. This is when we had my place, just the two of us and we were single and like we and we had just both Came off of relationships and we were fucking gamers dude like we worked all day nine to five we came home with game till midnight Like that was like fucking what we did so weird and we love life and you're drinking like kinds of Make rock stars bro have my house making six figures Video gaming fucking all night long have a great job that I just playing oh Dude I was the top of the world and I remember telling my buddy and I we both had this conversation like we'll always do this
Starting point is 00:06:30 You're like I wish no one we're like no woman is ever gonna come between this This can be every day. Yes, it was every day, bro We were ranked in shit. We were that terrible Yes, yes, we don't need to get laid. We're just gonna play video games Yeah, it sounds like such a waste of time, but for you though Dicting yeah, when you see it when you see people and I'm on the outside So Bradley is like on another level of that like so he's was worse. I was yeah Yeah, I always know when someone's bad like ballet because they're right away like so what's your handle?
Starting point is 00:06:59 Right away so I go look your stamp I'm gonna peep you out. I was a mushroom stamper. Mushroom stamper. Oh my God. Of course you were. Mushroom stamper. That's such a video game. The first one too. I'm telling you, so I was like, I didn't have to put it.
Starting point is 00:07:13 I didn't have to put it any, I didn't have to put any, that's how old school I am is. You like now if you try to take that handle, it's probably been taken by a thousand different ways with manipulating. So you guys remember your first email address Because remember when you first get your first one your kid I don't know if I remember that dude. I just talked to Katrina. I do remember the hot chicks for me
Starting point is 00:07:36 Hot chicks for me at at yahu hot mail That was your mail. Yeah hot hot. What did you do when you're? You're like 17 years old you that the clever things you come up with You know, it's funny. So I thought it was super clever then so my brother my brother Not doing a business man, right? Like that. So when we first got our computer or whatever at the house and my mom wanted to get Her first email. She didn't know how to do it. So she asked my brother who at the time was probably on all 13 or something like that So she's like, hey, can you get make me email address that you're like, sure, no problem. So he gave her Italian rage.
Starting point is 00:08:08 That was the Italian rage. To my mom. Yeah. He was totally, it was a dig, you know what I mean? Yeah. Here you go, mom. We'll call you Italian rage. Take that.
Starting point is 00:08:19 So my mom had that one for, I swore to go for like 10 years, dude. Yeah. And so every time she had mine for a long time. Well, you know what, I didn't even, so I told Katrina this, we were talking about go for like 10 years dude. Yeah. And so every time she's, I had mine for a long time. Well, you know what, I didn't even, so I told Katrina this, we were talking about this because she was teasing me. We were looking at my battery life. And like where all my time is spent,
Starting point is 00:08:32 you know, like fucking 40% Instagram, like 10% like all this and the very bottom is email. And she always busts my chas for not answering. So I don't check the email. I know you check my emails. And I'm like, you know why that is? And I have email. Well, here's the reason why.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Say, 19 years old or 20 years old. I'm supposed to delete all of them. Well, listen, at 20 years old, I was at 24 already. At 24, they had whatever, we call that an intro web or whatever that where it's inside the company. So it was, everyone had was, you know, Adam FM 504 at Hillsdale or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was all of our within the company
Starting point is 00:09:05 It wasn't like a real email. No one else could email me except for my boss and boss so my whole so 10 years from 20 to almost I used to actually email I never used actually because anything that was regarded to business are important to me that I need Would I need to check my email it was all coming through my work email exactly so then when I when I got rid of that I never was like I never trained myself to have this habit. Like a lot of people, like Katrina's like, she's crazy to me. She runs, I think like 10 emails, you know? And just filters them constantly.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And she's like on top of all of them. There are, so there's, I'm gonna sound like such a fucking old, funny, daddy, but apparently there's ways of organizing your email. I don't know, it's all in the same area. I don't know, that's a mystery. I opened it up and it's like, you have 10,000 emails. You're right. You see you open up. It's his folders here.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Apparently you can make folders sophisticated. I don't know if you guys knew that or not. No, you can do all that. And you know what I just recently started making a habit is because what I would do is I start an email address. Never use it. Piles up till there's 3,000 plus emails. And you move to another one. Then I move to another one. And I just keep doing that, right that right so finally and Katrina's like been yelling at me about this right
Starting point is 00:10:09 She's like listen, we're gonna clean up this email. That's how you're identity is stolen right right? She's like so you're gonna do this one and you're gonna unsubscribe Every time you see an email that you don't want to open open it go to the bottom unsubscribe I will trump all that dude. I went actually yesterday I was just going down memory lane, and I was thinking, I'm getting back into music, and I was gonna look at, I knew that our old band profile was on MySpace, and I'm like, does MySpace even still exist?
Starting point is 00:10:35 Right, and so I'm going on there, and I'm looking, I'm like, holy shit, it's still there! Like our songs are there! And so, I actually, like, still an active community. Yeah, I mean, it's active people I don't know how active. Oh my god, you know, it might be just like everybody that dog can you please pull up everybody that like opened it You know one point we all have my spaces. I have my Spaces I'm not even on there because like they replaced me with some guy. Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:59 Ray they erased your memory. No, but they have like my song on there and everything but they took your face off of it Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like so it's like the Soviet area pictures You've seen those old pictures from like the Soviet Union We're all of a sudden like they'll take out this like general Yeah, he's no longer in the picture and they replace it with like a dog or something like that Yeah, you know, I'm saying dude, but so I I was going through it in like you could see like old friends that used to you know Be attached to and stuff and I was like oh, oh my God, is my roommate from college? I lived with him for a year or two.
Starting point is 00:11:28 And so I just fucked with him, to email him through there. And I was like, it was like, hey man, I saw that he was into graphic design. He had some company that he was running for all of a sudden. Like, hey man, I can really use your services. And at the end, I was like, you red-headed motherfucker. And he was like, is that how you sign all your emails? And what the fuck is this, my space, dude? Does this even still exist?
Starting point is 00:11:52 Oh, it was a funny scene. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Dude, so Adam, you got a little angry last night. What? On the forum. Oh, yeah, that's got butter. So I didn't get on to it.
Starting point is 00:12:05 I saw your comment. I'm like, I was like, get the fuck out of here with this. So somebody post on the forum. Who would you elect for president? Who would you elect for president? And they've got all of us, including Doug, they've got Dimitar on there. One of our forum members.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And then they got, who else to have on there? I think that's it. Like the rock or something? No, no, no, no, no. I think it was just awesome. It was just us. It was all of us and I thought one or two other people. Yeah, one or two other people.
Starting point is 00:12:31 And I had like random ones. I was like dead last with two votes. And I was like, fuck you. I was like, I get it. Fuck you guys, are you scared of me? Are you scared of me? All the rest of these, these guys are plussies. They can't run this country.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Listen, you need somebody who's gonna grab this. Listen, everybody knows that you would be a fucking dictator. Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't be a tyrant. You'd be a dictator. You'd make crazy rules and laws, being asshole. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:12:55 So you put the dick in dick. So I think if out of the three of us, if any of us were to be most like Donald Trump, 100% it would be me. For sure. So if you don't like, yeah, you definitely do eat some shit. Right, I would do some gritty living in this. Yeah, I don't need, I think that that's probably,
Starting point is 00:13:11 so I get it. So if you're like super anti-Trump and you're like, I bet Adam would be kind of like that. Like you're fucking right. I can't wait to info for you. It was cracking me up because you said that. You're like, oh fuck you guys, man. Oh fuck you guys, man.
Starting point is 00:13:21 And then a bunch of, you know what it is though? Cause then you're partially joking, right? I know a bunch of four members are underneath, like comments like, oh no, man. No, man, I was a bunch of you know what it is though cuz in you're partially joking right? Yeah, I know a bunch of four members are underneath like comments like oh no man. No man. I was gonna Boop me but like they know they tried justify it right think about it. Well, Sal's really you know He talks like that. I'm like get the fuck out of here dude. Get out of here. Yeah, so I'm the president basically Yeah, no, that was going neck and neck I would never ever want to do that ever But I want to do that shit. Hail, no.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Can you imagine being president knowing all this shit that they're there? You imagine you walk in there and they're like, okay, we couldn't even protect you. Yeah, now that you're in the way. Oh, okay, welcome, you just got to nag your, come on in, have a seat, okay, so we're the ones that actually run the country.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Ha ha ha. Yeah. This is what you're gonna say. Everybody's gonna hate you and here you go. If you say, I would never, I would never, ever, ever, you've, there would never be a goal of mine. Black, no, you don't make it every month. You could have paid me enough.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Well, they don't do it. You know what it is. Everybody hates you too. It's like, no matter what you do, you do something. When you become the president, I don't think you ever need money again, right? Like everyone always says it like, right? The position is, what do they make?
Starting point is 00:14:17 Like 300,000 a year or so. 400, 400,000 a year. Yeah, so it's like bullshit money, right? But all those guys all made millions of dollars in previous, you know, professions or entrepreneurs, right? Well, it's professional politicians. They make a lot of my afterwards doing speeches. Book, book, and Apple.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah, yeah. Well, that's all, and that's all side-million. You just want to be known in history. The real thing is, you're the fucking president, bro, you have all the power. Think of anything in your mind that sounds ridiculous. That's like power. It could have that done. Yeah That's like bro. It's a dictator. See this way you don't understand
Starting point is 00:14:50 Doesn't have those powers in real life. I don't think it's king You don't want to be the pretty wants to be the king of America you peasants today. We passed the law making president king We're a monarchy again. Oh, you just do cool shit. Make America monarchy again. Make America monarchy again. Fuck. Vote Adam. That Justin got second place, which I thought was pretty. It was interesting.
Starting point is 00:15:13 That was interesting. That was like, you know what? Why? That didn't surprise me, because he's the favorite. And just because we're talking about politics, everybody thinks he's such a nice guy. Just like he'll be the guy that's just like in front, saying dumb shit and then you're off. like I'll basically be up there for like a
Starting point is 00:15:27 Total of like maybe 30 seconds like my speech and so everybody will move on with their day And they'll be like you're like the male male male version of girl next door You're like a girl next you just like the girl next door. You know like you can hug me Gonna make America soft again. See now. I know if I ever become president I'm gonna make Adam my VP because then nobody will kill me. Yeah, I'm gonna make America soft again. See now I know if I ever become president I'm gonna make Adam my VP because then nobody will kill me. Yeah, I mean Let's kill South like we I don't will be president then fuck that better leave him alone Did you guys see the news so we just talked about this?
Starting point is 00:15:56 Oh God you so we're so where's it? Where's this where's the where's the cue the sound Justin? So what what was the cue this the the fucking other one bites the dust? I didn't down there. There it is Sound Justin so what what was the cue this the the fucking another one bites the dust Now the one got bitten the next so Matt Lauer fired which by the way more information comes out He's fucking disgusting. He had a he had a button under his desk. Did you read about this? No, I didn't he has a button under his desk that locks the door What yes, dude. Creepy motherfucker. That's what they're saying. So apparently this woman says that she walked in,
Starting point is 00:16:29 because you know, he's a man in power, right? She walked in his office and he's like, take off your blouse or whatever. And she's like, I don't want to, she tried to leave and he locks the door with the button. And then he convinces her to like, he like has sex with her and then apparently she passes out. So I don't know what that's like.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And then what's, what's crazier, and I'll tell you why it's crazy, what's crazier is a video comes out where they're kind of off, like the cameras are off, but they're still mic'd up. And so you can see them on video. And Matt Lauer is commenting to, I think it's Katie Curric, and he's telling her and he goes,
Starting point is 00:17:01 yeah, he goes, bend over again. He goes, oh, it looks nice down your blouse or something like that, on camera. And this video's like 10 or 12 years old. So let me tell you why that's crazy. Where's this fucking video bin this whole time? Right, yeah, yeah. Why is it coming? It's stored.
Starting point is 00:17:15 All of a sudden they're like, released. He says like 10 years old. It's an older video. Doug, Google, when did Netflix start? Oh, you think Netflix is a... I'm gonna keep going into my conspiracy I believe it dude. I believe it. It's confirmed it right here. Let's get the tin foil I mean don't you think it'd be a little crazy if it's 10 years ago is right the whole big data
Starting point is 00:17:33 Netflix is like this is what we're gonna do. I mean we're gonna take out all the big dog Right and you gotta think if you're a gangster you had to have a vision that big that long ago August 29th 1997 that big that long ago. August 29th, 1997. Fucking 10 years ago on the dot. Actually, no, that'd be 20 years ago. Oh, 20 years ago. Oh.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Math is fun. Oh. Doug's surprise save gave me a way. I committed before. I'm supposed to be the numbers guy. I was like, whoa, it's like, get me be right on this is how you know when you're old You look at when you start to get a worth a lot of money you look at years and you start to think that they're not as far like 1997 for me is like a little while ago
Starting point is 00:18:16 17 that's crazy. They were they were not around a 97 they were started in 97 But yeah, I'm trying to you remember I remember so we lived but they must have been shit in behind all this all these acuze all this stuff up coming up I do I do so I have a different conspiracy theory 2002 you're right. Yes, you're right. Sorry. So here's what I think I think Here's my conspiracy theory. I think it's Trump You think he's shaking it up. I think because I could see that because You think he's shaking it up? I think because I could see that because it was only when all of them are the most
Starting point is 00:19:06 liberals they come. Oh, and Hollywood's gone after him from day one. And now what a lot of people don't realize is trying to turn the tide after September 11th. Well, first of all, before September 11th, you know, I would do some shit. Well, hold on, I just need you to. That's why you're not gonna be.
Starting point is 00:19:20 No, it's just so nobody voted for you. That's why you don't get, we have so many don't win, bro. So here's the thing. Here's the thing, well a lot of people don't realize this. Now before September 11th, the FBI and CIA has always done a lot of shady shit. And the president has used them or people in power have used them to do things that they probably shouldn't
Starting point is 00:19:39 done, you know, things without the court and all that stuff. But after September 11th, we actually signed acts that makes these powers like openly legal. And what they are is that if the president or someone in government, high official in government, can literally just by saying go investigate this person, go eavesdrop on them, go listen to their phone calls, whatever, all under the guise of terrorism,
Starting point is 00:20:03 which doesn't matter because nobody's checking on them, so they can say it's about anybody. Right, right. Now, the president has so much fucking power. Now, if you're the president and you're the commander in chief, and you want to fuck with your political enemies, or you want to fuck with whoever is talking shit about you, you can literally call these people up,
Starting point is 00:20:18 the NSA, whoever you want, and be like, look, I want you to spy on, you know, Matt Lauer. I want you to spy on this person. I want you to get, you know, show me everything want you to spy on Matt Lauer. I want you to spy on this person. I want you to get, show me everything that you can find on them. And you can use it and no court or anybody is in to say anything unless they find out that you're doing it and then they'd have to take you to court whatever and that would never happen. So I think Trump is fucking taking out Hollywood because they've been so anti because you're
Starting point is 00:20:40 seeing everybody. Another Russell Simmons. Russell Simmons just stepped down for sexual harassment allegations from something that happened back in 1991. Well, has anyone put the conspiracy together? Like can you go back through and see how are they all non-Trump supporters?
Starting point is 00:20:56 Oh, come on, all of them, all of them. I mean, I believe that, I could believe that. I just don't know for fact, you know? If that's the time. I mean, I'm not saying this is true, by the way. I'm just, I'm making up a conspiracy here, but that, my conspiracy makes more sense than Netflix. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Oh, you think so? I think so, dude. It's really weird. You know, it's funny. Hillary Clinton, who got the Democratic, you know, she was the nominee, obviously, for the Democratic ticket. She was going against Bernie Sanders. Mm-hmm. Her people and her, because the Clintons are very powerful. That is like, for the Democratic ticket, she was going against Bernie Sanders.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Her people and her, because the Clintons are very powerful. That is like political... That's political, that's political royalty. Like you got the Clintons, the Bush family, the Kennedy's like, they fucking rigged the whole thing so she would win the primaries. And it's all legit, I'm not making this up. It's not that expensive.
Starting point is 00:21:42 All they legitimately rigged that shit against Bernie Sanders so she would win, the whole system is fucking hilarious. Which is why I was so shocked when Trump won, because I'm like, that kind of shows that it's not as rigged as I thought it was, because how did he win? Yeah. Unless they want us to think that's what surprised everybody.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Yeah, I don't know. Well, yeah, I also think that's the power of social media now. You know what I'm saying? That's the difference. You reach in millions of people on Instagram now and Facebook,, you can only delete so many votes. So yeah, it's like, oh no. So now, so yeah, Russell Simmons now, he had to step down. Now, Russell, can't wait to see his next. Yeah, well, have you read about what he did? I just used to. Yeah, so he apparently was with some, I don't know, with some woman that went to dinner and his driver picked them up and then she gave the guy his address
Starting point is 00:22:26 and he said something like, no, we're going to my house. And she was like really intimidated and she said, well, I want to go home and he goes, no, you're just going to come to my house. So they went to his house, he took her upstairs and basically like told her, like we're going to have sex. And she did have sex with them because she was so intimidated by him. And so now she's saying she felt like she was intimidated to having sex
Starting point is 00:22:48 and of course she, he didn't like forcibly, physically, you know, hold her down or anything like that but she's talking about how, how he made her feel. He, I guess he locked the door in the car too, wouldn't let her get out and stuff like that. So, but this is back in 1990s something, I don't know, I think it was 91, so it's a while ago. Damn.
Starting point is 00:23:04 So it's weird because... If you're gonna step down like that without defending himself, you know that there's gotta be some truth. Well, that's the other thing. I wonder if, cause here's the thing, if I'm Russell Simmons, okay, if I'm up, I'm Russell Simmons, and some fucking large figure, and some, yeah, person says that about me.
Starting point is 00:23:19 I'm gonna be like, yeah, oh yeah, we'll fuck you, anybody can say that, right? Yeah. I wonder if somebody presented to him and said, look, this is gonna come out. There's your option. Yeah, you don't step down, we're gonna release this video.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I guarantee it was like that. God, it's fucking weird. It's like, it's like, yeah, it's so crazy. It is. And I love it. We got the mafia in the right-in-the-country. It's Trump and the Netflix mafia, dude. Take a, get some, get some, get some, get some,
Starting point is 00:23:41 get some off of it. Take a ball down. Somebody make a meme. Ashtag Netflix mafia. Somebody make a meme. We're getting troubled Netflix. Did it call me? No, no, no, definitely. I'm off the top. Take it all down. Somebody make a meme. Ashtag Netflix. Somebody make a meme. We're gonna get trouble Netflix. Did it call me? No, no, we like Netflix.
Starting point is 00:23:49 No, we like Netflix. We're gonna make. I watch all your shows. Let's make the mind. Did you guys see the Punisher yet? No, I watched. Oh my god, it's the first. I watched the first.
Starting point is 00:23:58 I've seen 20 minutes of the first episode. All of it. I would binge always through. It's that good. It's so good. Wow, so it's the guy from the Walking Dead. Yeah. He's a great actor.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Really? I mean, it's not for everybody. I used to read the comic book. You know, but like I've been waiting for them to depict Punisher correctly. And he just plays it fantastic. That's true, because the Punisher is like, you didn't like the movies Punisher they did?
Starting point is 00:24:19 Not really. Oh really? It just didn't have the depth. Did you read the comic books? Yeah. See the Punisher and the comic books? The comic books? Yeah, the Punisher and the comic books is, he's not really a Oh really? It's just that it wasn't they didn't have the depth. Did you read the car? Yeah. See the Punisher and the comic journals. Yeah, the Punisher and the comic books is he's not really a good guy. He's a. Well, I don't think that yeah, I don't think they depict him that way in the movie. In the movie. Yeah. You kind of root for him. Yeah. It's just
Starting point is 00:24:38 what it just didn't have that impactful story that you'll see the difference when you watch the series. It is it's basically like how many episodes like 13 or something but like each one is its own movie. It's like it's epic. You know what though, too? The other thing too is it's very difficult in a movie to develop a character as much as you can in a series. This is the new format, dude. It's crazy. Like you literally are watching a 13 hour movie. Yeah, exactly. It's amazing. Exactly. No, that's why Netflix isn't take over, dude. It's fucking happening. After all the other celebrities get taken down.
Starting point is 00:25:10 I heard it on Mind Pump first. Yeah. We predict Netflix will be powerful. I'm sure, I'm sure Test House, Test House, Test House, our own nation's going to fucking fight. Yeah, T.N. is going to write about this. Stop. Those are our boys.
Starting point is 00:25:23 What's the name of rights for them? I know. Yeah, our buddy. Anyway, so name of rights for them? I know. Yeah, our buddy. Yeah. Anyway, so also, I wanted to let you guys know, I haven't, you know, I haven't worked out in club sport for a long time, right? I work out my garage.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Yeah. Well, as you can tell, I have this cold, so I went there this morning, because I'm like, I want to use a steam room. They, I guess they re-did the steam room in the bathroom, which is really nice. So I did my little workout, and then I went in the steam room to try and like just to help my whole situation. And I go, I opened the door and I guess he was sitting in the fucking steam room. Oh no way. Yes, that's same dude. My Asian adversary. Oh wow. Yes. Was it immediate like like a rustling like a you know like a tumbleweed just kind of went
Starting point is 00:26:03 between you guys. Yeah. Well, well, well. Little, yeah. No, no, no. So I opened the door. He's sitting in the corner naked on his towel. Of course. And he looks at me and he goes, Huh.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Like not even a word. That's it. That's all you did. Huh. And I'm like, oh, motherfucker. So I sit down next to him like, did you nod or anything? I'm like, I'm like, how you tell me you're nervous though because you haven't been doing
Starting point is 00:26:26 steaming a while right? So you little nervous. I haven't done anything in a while. He might outbake you. Yeah, so I sit next to him and I'm like, because you know, because I kind of, I'm like, you know, fuck you man, I got a cold, I'm gonna give it to him because he's old. He's gonna die anyway. I'm gonna catch my cold.
Starting point is 00:26:38 And he's gonna get sick and then I'm gonna go and I'm gonna beat him. It's just tactics. So I sat next to him and I'm like, we can as a means to. Yeah, so I'm quiet, because it's kind of awkward, you know, so I'm just kind of sitting there and steam room conversation is weird to me. It is. I'm thinking to myself,
Starting point is 00:26:52 like, I want to say something to him, but like, what do I, it almost reminds me of when you're trying to talk to a girl, when you're like 13, and you're trying to think of what to say, when all you gotta do is go say hi, right? To the weather, huh? Yeah, so I'm like, what do I,
Starting point is 00:27:02 what do I say to him, what do I say to him? So before I say anything, he's like, so you take a break, huh? Yeah, so I'm like, what do I say to him? What do I say to him? So before I say anything, he's like, so you take a break, huh? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I've been working out in my garage. He goes, yeah, he's just sitting there. He's like, yeah, he shouldn't take a break. I'm like, oh, motherfucker, he just talks shit to me.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I never take a break. You shouldn't take a break. And that's it, he's quiet and just sitting there. And I'm like, well, you know what? Fuck you, man. So I leave. So, but because I stand close to him, I'm thinking, you know, again, he's old,
Starting point is 00:27:32 weakening immune system. I have a cold. He's gonna catch it. Then he's gonna get pneumonia. Then he's gonna be in the steam room. Then I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna beat him. I see. So I'm waiting.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Because I feel like, I think what's... So you didn't even try and fuck with it this time. You should have said, have you even gone in the cold, you know, you should you should pull him in that direction Yeah, no, I don't want I'm afraid that feel like you'll beat me at anything So I think the incubation period for the cold is something like a week right? Doug is that what it is like a week or something like that right? So I'm gonna go back again Do you like you're walking out you give him a little like? Excuse me, not I blew my nose and my towel
Starting point is 00:28:05 and put it right on his way. Just rested it on his ring sleeve. Just leave a little bit of a culture there. He sounds like a nasian pole jack. You know, you know, something, you maybe, it could be. I feel like he knows Kung Fu. Not because, it's not racist. It's not racist.
Starting point is 00:28:20 It's not racist. Because he has that, it's definitely a little bit. You can totally hire me in the face. No, dude little bit. Because he has that, it's definitely a little bit. He could totally high-ah me in the face. No, dude, it's because he has that presence. He has that presence. Like he's like Daniel Sun, like David Caridine. No, he wasn't real, dude. Did you ever watch?
Starting point is 00:28:35 David Caridine, was it real? What do you mean he was real? He's not a real Kung Fu guy, dude. You remember his slow motion karate? He was slow. It was so great. I loved Kung Fu, but come on, dude. I love it I love- I love Kung Fu, but come on, dude. I love-
Starting point is 00:28:45 Steven Seagal was a little more legit. I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love-
Starting point is 00:28:53 I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love-
Starting point is 00:29:00 I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- I love- And there was that there would always be that one old Asian deal with the long like Yeah, like long beard or whatever and the to bun you know, you know, who did a good job depicting him was a Kill Bill. Yeah, you know like those characters. Yeah, I feel like that's the guy in the steamer Oh, okay, like he's got that kind of presence Wisdom then yeah, I fear this I got throw a punch and he'll be behind me
Starting point is 00:29:20 I'll be said oh shit. You can one inch punch the shit out of you. Yeah, fuck that anyway So he'll be sick soon. Oh, I wonder if he listens to podcasts. All right, thank you. Yeah. He's a bit of a... We're creating him into this legendary mythical character. I mean, we met, I thought we met our oldest,
Starting point is 00:29:34 I wish I remember their names. Shout out to these guys if they're still listening. When we were at Paleo FX, and they were like in their 70s, 70s or 80s, I think they were... They weren't 70? No, we met somebody that was in their 70s. Oh, the couple. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Oh, yeah. She's the one that was talking about when we had some discussion about masturbation and she started talking to me about it. Yes. And I was like, this is real life. You know, like we, on the podcast is one thing. 70 year old, that's right. They were in the same place.
Starting point is 00:30:01 I loved it, Dad. I love you, lady. Yeah, we don't have that many people that are older than probably 50, 60-ish that listen to us. Maybe. Yeah, except internet, it's all internet stuff. Yeah. They don't know how to do it.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I guess. They don't know how to do it. Do comp kit. Except my grandma, I'm just learning email. My grandma knows how to do it. My 80-year-old Sicilian grandma who's never had a driver's license. She's never driven in her life because she just doesn't.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I mean, she's old school. So in fact, I posted a picture of her in the forum with me and my cousins because she was with her. And she's on Facebook all the time, dude. Wow. She's always commenting on my pictures or she'll send me to Moji. Dude, that's what I thought of my grandma. I'm like, how did you do that?
Starting point is 00:30:41 She's 95, but I found out it was my aunt posting as her. I'm like, that's cheating. Come on, I thought grandma was like super hip there for a second. No, my grandma will literally post stuff and like pictures and she'll send me emojis and like a picture of a really. Really? Yeah, I do show comment on stuff. Do you guys remember that when your parents made the transition to finally texting?
Starting point is 00:31:03 Oh, and you remember how rough that was for that transition? No, no, worse than that is the emoji. Your parents use emojis. Ew, don't do that. I don't want like a weird winky face for my dad. No, take your dad's, that's it. Yeah, bro. They said you the purple pepper.
Starting point is 00:31:21 I just told him, I was like, don't do that again. I just told him, don't do that again. And again, dad's like, hey, make it, what's this one? I'm making an eggplant tonight. Yeah. I don't want to come over. No, thank you.
Starting point is 00:31:32 So what's even weirder is I text with my kids because they have phones, they don't have service, but they work through the Wi-Fi. Yeah. Because they'll play games and stuff. And it's got the iMessage. So my kids will text me and my eight year old daughter, I don't know how she learned how to text so well.
Starting point is 00:31:47 She knows how to use emojis and she uses, like what does it call when you only use like two or three letters to mean something abbreviations? I'm like, look at this little shit. Like really good stuff. Only TMF. Oh, and then my daughter will be like WTF. She's like WTF, I'm like, excuse me.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Do you know what that stands for? She's like WTF, I'm like, excuse me. Do you know what that stands for? She's like, no, I'm like, okay, good. She's my eight-year-old daughter. What the fuck? Dance of theTF. Dance of theTF. Dance of the fuck. That's the fuck.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Oh, God. All right, Doug, forget the bird. This quas brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition. Organified fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-edit edge. Try Organified totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from Kyla Gross. After listening to the show, I consciously try to not consume
Starting point is 00:32:53 sucralose in my diet as I have a sensitive gut to begin with. I consume dimatized ISO 100 daily and have always felt fine until recently when my stomach would be in extreme discomfort about 10 minutes after consuming. I looked at the label and realized it has sucralost, like many proteins do. Is it possible that suddenly my gut is rejecting this despite it being fine previously? I've tried some vegan proteins and they taste like literal dirt. Help.
Starting point is 00:33:25 So, before I try to explain or figure out what's happening to her, I will do a little plug here for organify. I've had, I've been taking vegan proteins for maybe 10 years. And let me take for the most part they suck. They're true. Yeah, all of them. There's some handplains out there, but yeah. No, no, that's true.
Starting point is 00:33:45 Most of them taste way just tastes good. It makes this really good, especially if you get the artificial taste good. Yeah, it does. It tastes good. Organifies protein is legit, tasty, especially chocolate. No, man.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Chocolate literally tastes good. Oh, I like the vanilla. I mean, I think out of all vegan proteins I've ever mess with, it's by far the best. It's one of the best ones, because I used to do raw protein from Garden of Life, and it was okay, but it always had that... Vegan proteins tend to have this like,
Starting point is 00:34:15 not chalky, but almost like you could taste the powder, and they always have a weird aftertaste. The organified one doesn't, it actually is comparable to a way protein. So that being said, there's a couple of points I want to make with this question. First off, we need to understand something about our bodies. When you figure out what works for your body, whether it's your diet or your workout or supplements or whatever, you need to understand that that's what's working for your body right
Starting point is 00:34:45 now. Your body does, it changes all the time. It is not a, it is not some, you know, stationery thing that once you figure it out, now that's the answer. It's always going to be the answer. That's never how it works. Your body's changing because of outward, you know, outside, you know, pressures or, you know, lack of sleep or your job or stress. That's statistic. Is it every seven years? Seven years, yeah, you completely totally, every cell.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Every cell. But even besides that, like, my body can change from today versus yesterday, depending on the circumstances of my day. So although something may always have worked for you, that doesn't mean it's going to continue to always work for you because I'll get this all the time where people, it's almost like cognitive dissonance where they'll be like, well, you know, chicken can't possibly cause
Starting point is 00:35:32 this bloat. I've always eaten chicken. And they'll hard-headedly continue to eat it. Strong it together. Yeah, they'll keep doing it. I've been guilty of this. You know, I know lots of people have been getting, so your body changes.. So yes, although you've been having it and it never bothered you before, that doesn't mean it's not going to bother you in the future. The second thing is this is a classic symptom of leaky gut syndrome. Doesn't mean you have it, it's just one of the classic symptoms. And one of the classic symptoms is when you're consuming something that you've always consumed and all of a sudden you have, you know, gut issues as a result of consuming
Starting point is 00:36:10 that thing. The reason why it's a classic symptom, and I'm going to just do a real quick description of leaky gut, when you have any kind of inflammation in your gut or dysbiosis, meaning the bacteria is kind of thrown off, which sucalose will do, we can talk about that too. When you have that going on, your gut becomes, what they'll say in Western medicine, hyperpermeable, meaning that whatever, you know, your gut allows things to travel through and get absorbed in your body, and it's a very intricate process.
Starting point is 00:36:42 Not only what it allows to go through, but when it allows it to go through, but when it allows it to go through, because there's certain nutrients that need to be absorbed at certain times in the process of digestion, the stomach absorbs certain things, the upper intestines absorb certain things, the lower intestines, and it's a very intricate process. So when you have inflammation in your gut, things are moving through the gut wall when they're not supposed to, or things that are never supposed to go through.
Starting point is 00:37:08 And what your body does when things go through the gut wall is it considers these things. Many times it considers them to be foreign invaders. It looks like as an insult, and it develops antibodies. It develops an immune reaction to these particles. So if I'm taking way protein all the time and I have low levels of gut inflammation,
Starting point is 00:37:31 but over time, some of these larger way protein molecules pass through my gut wall when they're not supposed to. And my body starts to recognize way protein as a foreign invader. It develops antibodies and now way protein bothers me. Now I can't have way protein as a for an invader it develops antibodies and now way protein bothers me. Now I can't have way protein anymore because my body seems to eat it. My body says, and I'm pretty common rule is that this is stuff that you typically did eat a ton of.
Starting point is 00:37:56 It rarely you know that's rarely somebody who's like, oh, I found a new food, my stomachs all fucked up from it. No, it's it's normally something that we're in the fire. You know, honestly, if we're if we're being completely honest with ourselves, we're we probably abused a little bit. You know, it's something that and a lot of that has to do with the over saturating and over consumption too. Right. Like if you were in a deficit, if we lived, you know, 60% of the time in a deficit or even half the time in a deficit, you'd probably be okay. But it's
Starting point is 00:38:21 because the way we eat as Americans is we over consume, over consume, and then we're eating all this, the same things over and over and over. And then that's what ends up happening is the shit you ate all the time. Now you're stomach's function. So when you go to actually test whether or not you have a leaky gut or symptoms of a leaky gut, like how do you, I know that certain functional medicine practitioners, like they have certain tests you can do, is that the pinner test or what? Yeah, so the pinner test is a test that you can take
Starting point is 00:38:49 that, and unfortunately it's not foolproof, but it can point you in the right direction and give you more information than just guessing. And what a pinner test does is it tests for IGG antibodies. Now, IGG antibodies, and I really hope I'm getting this correct, maybe you can fact check me Doug, so I'm not wrong here. But IgE antibodies are the kind of antibodies
Starting point is 00:39:15 that cause food allergies. Now, if you had a food allergy, you would know because you'd have an immediate, allergic reaction that causes things like anaphylactic shock and swelling and hives and stuff like that. And people know when they have an allergy. Now, intolerance is a little different because IgG antibodies don't cause those allergic reactions,
Starting point is 00:39:35 but it is a systemic immune response. It's more subtle. It can cause things like skin issues. It can cause inflammation in the joints. It can cause lots of different issues. Let me cause inflammation in the joints, it can cause lots of different issues. Let me see, yep, I'm right, perfect. So, you doubt it or so for a minute.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Yeah, there you go. Yep, right, moving on. Thanks, Doug. Appreciate it. Still smart. Yeah, so anyway, so what the Pinter test does is it tests for IGG antibodies and they'll test you for like a bunch of different foods,
Starting point is 00:40:07 and then it'll show you how all those foods rank, high, moderate to low, and basically what they'll say is, okay, I'll void all the foods that are in the high category. The Pinter Testers are like 400 bucks. I did one a long time ago, it's what helped me initially, but really the gold standard is the
Starting point is 00:40:26 Hardway which is an elimination diet. That's it an eliminate no elimination diet can take three months Because you got to cut something out of your diet for a month or two months Get everything to calm down then reintroduce it one at a time. It's a pain in the ass, but it's really the best It's the best way to do it. It's the best long-term strength. Yeah, so I would start with a pinter test and then try the elimination afterwards, but definitely sucralose can exacerbate
Starting point is 00:40:54 or cause some of these problems, because sucralose in studies will show it destroys something like half up to half of the beneficial bacteria in the gut when you consume it. And if you start fucking with the microbiome of the gut, like that, you can expect to have gut inflammation. And the funny thing is this, this is a perfect storm because protein powders,
Starting point is 00:41:19 when do people normally consume protein powders? Yeah, after work out. After work out on the inflammation. That's it. And a workout, especially a really hard workout, it causes inflammation everywhere, including in the gut. So now you already have this, the context of inflammation. Now you're drinking a protein drink.
Starting point is 00:41:38 It's gasoline in the fire. It's got sucrose in it, which is going to add more problems. So you have an inflamed gut from the exercise. You have sucralos, which is fucking with your gut microbiome. And you're introducing a protein, protein molecules into your gut. You're likely to develop, oh, and then top it off.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Issues. A lot of these fucking people end up getting addicted to the pre workouts and the shakes and doing that. And then there, and whether it be a real addiction to it or behavioral addiction to it, they're addicted to it, and they're doing it every single time. And I was a kid just like this, man.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I fucking know. And so we're all of my buddies, all of my trainer friends, we all were the same way. I was like, shake. It's the culture, pre-worked, I'm sure. Yeah, three times a day, every day, you know, no wonder I'm all fucked up now. That's right, no wonder.
Starting point is 00:42:22 And this has actually been looked at where they see that a higher percentage of hard training athletes have gut or diagnosed with gut issues than the average person. Just because when you train hard, you're always pushing your body towards that edge of inflammation. And I would suspect that athletes just, they're the market when it comes to all these artificial supplements. So yeah, I would say, not only they're the market when it comes to all these artificial supplements. So yeah, I would say, not only avoid sucralose, but stop taking milk protein. So no more way protein, no more casing.
Starting point is 00:42:57 Go to the vegan ones if you want to still take protein and use ones that are not flavored artificially. And of course, we're sponsored by Organify, but legit that's the one I'd recommend anyway. All right. Hey, before you next slide note on this, I have been getting a bunch of DMs and I saw one of the quas or questions that we had on the IG also was people asking us about what our favorite thrives product is now.
Starting point is 00:43:22 What do you think about sending thrives? Let's put them on the spot and send them to see if we can get a mind pump, like our favorite, like a basket or a box that we put together that it's like. The mind pump basket? Yeah, yeah, so people that are like wanting, like because I've had a lot of people
Starting point is 00:43:35 that are like interested, like, oh, I wanna try this or would you think it and they're all asking me about all these things that we've got. So we put together like a, bro, we could even call it the mind pump sampler. Yeah, that's what I mean. And change it every month. Right. even call it the mind pump sampler. Yeah, this I mean change it every month right Hey, this month mind pump sampler includes let's put the pressure on thrives to get that done for us because I think I think our audience
Starting point is 00:43:52 You know the cricket chips. I told everybody yeah, everyone asked me I got a bunch of because I did the insta story on those Oh, yeah, and so everybody was asking everyone's as it well, you know, sound Justin loved them. I was like kind of I So everybody was asking everyone was like, well, you know, sound Justin loved them. I was like, kind of, because it's crunchy, that's fucking me. That's the psychological part. Yes, I eat the cricket protein bars and the shake powder, no problem.
Starting point is 00:44:13 But the crunchy, the crunchy chip, and looking at the crunch. Yeah, I enjoyed that. There's this weird primal part of me. Oh, you're, you know, like a living being. Whoa. That's if they made made baby seal jerky. He ate that too.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Yeah, one hundred percent. You know what it'll put pressure on thrive, Doug? If you don't take this part out and air it. Oh, we are gonna. It's going. Okay. All right. And the email's already gone out to thrive
Starting point is 00:44:37 for the mind pump sampler. Oh, yeah. We'll see how they respond. Cool. Interesting. Yeah, boy, Doug. Our next question is from our same person from the last question, Kyla Gross.
Starting point is 00:44:49 How can you? Yes, indeed. How can you tell when you are listening to your body versus making excuses for yourself? To. That's a great question. Oh, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:00 I'm soon too different now. Yeah, my body's telling me about that. Oh, God. So here's the rest of the question. I love training and often struggle with knowing if I'm being in tune with my body's needs or just making excuses to take a break from training. I trained six days a week and love the hustle
Starting point is 00:45:17 and feel guilty when I take more than one day. Oh, there's your signs. Yeah, there's your signs right there. This is a good question because. It is a good question. And I love the transparency. It's honest to you. Yeah, there's your signs. There's your signs right there. This is a bit. This is a good question because it is a good question. And I love the I love the transparency. Yeah, let's see to this. Versus making excuses. It reminds me of my mom when I was a kid used to how she used to, you know, anything that like happened bad or whatever in our lives, it was like, you know, well, God told me.
Starting point is 00:45:38 God told me this. So it was like, it was like, fuck, dude, God's so confused. Why is he going this way? He got that way. It's like, you know, just admit selfishly, that's what you want to fucking do. Oh, what? Oh, you're convincing you. Oh, yeah, yeah, same thing. It's the same thing, right?
Starting point is 00:45:52 Except for that. For a man. Right, instead of it being God, now it's intuitive, you know, intuitive eating that's yourself that's telling, your body's telling you that you do. And you know, no, you're being lazy, and you're not going to gym. So I thought this would be a good question for you, Adam,
Starting point is 00:46:04 because you and I have talked about this many times, and I've been getting shit tons of messages from people who are like, well, I listen to my body, but my body tells me that you don't, it's all day, and not do anything, and how do I, and it is a hard question to answer almost. You know, what I like to say to people is,
Starting point is 00:46:23 you know, if you think you're fooling yourself, you know, if you think you're, you're fooling yourself, you are. I mean, you have to just be honest with yourself. It's, it's hard. It's so hard to be radically honest with yourself, isn't it? Because we don't want it. We want to lie to ourselves. We want to not be, you know, to be true. And I'll tell you something right now, if you just let go of that fear and just go through it and just are radically honest with yourself, it's actually awesome. It's just you, it's you and you, there's no way out. Well, it's a controlling mechanism that we all have and we want to override signals and
Starting point is 00:46:57 interpret it in a different way, but I mean, have you really even given in to like what your body's telling us? I think that there's, and this is the thing that you and I get into on this show all time is the You know, there's so many levels and layers to this for someone to get like when you like and I ultimately I Is Jedi stuff right? I mean ultimately I mean I I How many cells have you met? I mean how many other guys in and we've been in the fitness profession for you know I'm saying so I look when I talk to people I'm like listen I know everyone loves to hear Sal talk about that everybody wants to be on the same level and we want him for president and all that shit like that
Starting point is 00:47:36 But listen remember this is motorbangers this guy's put some work in for a very very long time and it and it takes time and so There's steps to this right so for me, I think you have to first, first you have to be consistent about something. Because if you're not consistently following something, whether it be fucking the elimination diet, I don't give a fuck, if you're not consistent, like your signals are so off and like the slightest heat yourself first.
Starting point is 00:48:00 You don't know what your body's sending you because you're not being consistent with anything. So that's the first and foremost is just learn to be consistent about whatever your planet So let's say your planet's elimination diet and you're gonna fall that or pay though diet You're gonna fall that for a while then do that and stick to it and then and pay and just at the very beginning All you're doing it's monitoring. You're not saying oh the dad make me feel this way every day No, you're just like being consistent for a while let your like let your body
Starting point is 00:48:22 Get acclimated to being consistent with the nutrition and the training program you're doing. And then what you do is you start to test things. So I allow something into my diet that I might be that I think that could potentially be very scientific with approach. And you don't just do it once. You do it once. You pay attention to it. You do it again. You do it two or three times. So this is what I mean, like, Sal's got a chance to do this over the course of his 20 plus years. I've had the opportunity to do this over the last 15 plus years.
Starting point is 00:48:52 So it takes time to get to this level. And you can easily trick yourself, fool yourself into thinking that's the right thing for you. Because of time, I did for years. Yeah, exactly. For years, if you asked me 10 years ago how aware I am of my diet, my body, I would
Starting point is 00:49:05 tell you I was fucking on point with all that, you know, because I know I'm a trainer, I'm smart, I understand nutrition, like, and that's just it, that's just it, like, that's literally what this awareness is, is you're unaware, when you're unaware of something, you're not even aware that you're unaware of it. It's not even something to think about. Like the example you gave, like, if you asked me certain questions 10 years ago, I'd be very, I'd be positive. I'd be so sure that I knew certain things because I was so unaware of certain things that I wasn't even aware that they existed. And so that's one thing that I want to make a point of what to kind
Starting point is 00:49:39 of point across with this is that this is not, it's not a destination. It's not a place that you get to and you're like, I'm here. Well, no, because it's a process. You've already said it, the gut, it's always changing. We're different every seven years. So it's like what was working for you five years ago may not be working for you.
Starting point is 00:49:55 And more often than not, it's connected to probably some of the bad habits or choices that you made along that way. Except the following, except this is truth. Nobody will ever fool you better than you will. Period. Nobody can fool me like I can fool me. I can fool me so fucking good that I will buy into that shit and become it.
Starting point is 00:50:15 And then it's only later on, it's only later on that I'm like, oh shit, I was, I fooled myself so much. We do this with relationships, we do this with our jobs, we do this with our diet and our training. So knowing that, closing yourself, that's all the time, closing yourself right now, dude.
Starting point is 00:50:32 How long, let me ask you this, how was a good idea? How long did you stay working in corporate fitness, for example, right? Or how long did I do certain things? And I did wait till I look back, I think, I always look back and say, okay, I understand. I got this out of it and that out of it. But I fooled myself for the last, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:46 five years of doing it. Right. Where I thought this is what I'm supposed, you know, this is what I wanna do and this is what I like. When in reality, I was just, I didn't like it. I don't wanna do it anymore. So it's a process that is constantly evolving. Knowing that is what's gonna guide you.
Starting point is 00:51:01 If you think of this as a destination, like, oh, you know what, I'm gonna be so intuitive with my diet in a destination, like, oh, you know what, I'm going to be so intuitive with my diet in a year from now. No, you're not. You're going to be more aware than you are today, but there isn't a place that you're ever going to hit where you're this, you know, god of, of your of knowing things. I mean, I guess that's called enlightenment, but I've never met anybody that was enlightened like that. So think of it as a process. It's a constant thing that you work on,
Starting point is 00:51:28 but at the same time, I also wanna be clear, don't identify with the working on it either, because that can also become its own thing, where you're this, I met this, I'll tell you what, years ago there was this lady that came to my gym, and she wanted to hire me to train her. And we sat down and we started talking about wellness. And this was, I was getting, I was at this point,
Starting point is 00:51:52 I was kind of getting deep into the wellness side of it. So I wasn't really the meathead trainer anymore. I wasn't as aware as I am now, but I was getting into it. So we had a great conversation. But she was like, oh, I can only work clothes that are made like this, certain dies, I can't this, certain perfumes, I can't, but she was like, oh, I can only wear clothes that are made like this. The certain dyes, I can't this, certain perfumes, I can't, and she's like, I have to walk this way, I have to be this way.
Starting point is 00:52:11 And her life was consumed with this super hyper, trying to be aware of every little thing to where it became this obsession of hers. And it made her very unhealthy, which was this very anxious, unhealthy individual. And I would see her, she ended up not hiring me because about halfway through my presentation with her, I decided, I don't want this lady to hire me.
Starting point is 00:52:34 So I don't know if you guys have ever done that, we're halfway through, you're like, you're like, you finished the hour off, you're like, you should just give her information and wait for her. She's like, well, what did you turn, oh, I just, I don't have any time. Yeah. Oh no, it's like halfway through, I start to become a bad salesman, like, you should just give her information and wait for her. She's like, well, what did you turn? Oh, I just, I don't have any time. Oh, no, it's like halfway through,
Starting point is 00:52:47 I start to become a bad salesman. Like, oh shit, I don't want her to try and hire me. So I walk around, I'm way overpriced. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm walking around, I'd walk around town because I used to go on walks and stuff and I'd see this lady. She was fucking miserable.
Starting point is 00:53:00 She was always, always miserable. And I remember looking at her thinking, man, I don't ever wanna be, cause I could have a tendency, right? I could push myself to that point where I become consumed with all of this. So that's the other part. So it is a process.
Starting point is 00:53:13 And part of your, part of this process is realizing that you're not listening to your body sometimes. Sometimes it means you're doing shit that, whatever. You're not supposed to, whatever, be okay with it. Don't judge it. It's part of the whole process. It's called being alive. It's life And it's fucking fun the process is really really fun recognize when it's not working for you
Starting point is 00:53:32 Well also like after you make the mistake you know acknowledge it and then just move forward and don't like hold yourself Like hang on it I also want to point out to you that you know the last sentence that she says about six days a week and loving the hustle and feel guilty when I want to take more than one day off. Like that's not you listening to your body, but that's you fucking with your head. Like you're already not allowing yourself to listen to your body because you're feeling guilty over not working out. You shouldn't feel guilt. Who are you feeling like? Here's a guilt. Who are you letting down? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Thank you. Who are you letting down? I'm letting myself down. Who is that person? Who is this person you're identifying with? But it's a great point. That's a great point. But what you said, Adam, I couldn't have said it better. Part of the process, the beginning part of the process, along part of the process is tracking, knowing what's in food, counting macros, being consistent with your workouts. I tell you, one thing that we recommend with our maps programs, people will tell us all
Starting point is 00:54:27 the time, like, I want to individualize this for my body and we'll always say the same thing. Go through it exactly as we laid it out the first time. Just be consistent with how we did it because we're good trainers, we know what we're doing. After you've done it, then start to individualize it because then you'll have a good idea, well, at least a good idea, well at least a better idea of what your body needs. So yeah, definitely start consistently, follow some plan,
Starting point is 00:54:51 start to pay attention, and then start to work through the process. Next question is from our strength, Shelton. Have you ever injured a client or had a client injured on your watch? What was the outcome? And what were the reactions on both of these sides? First one or the bus again?
Starting point is 00:55:08 First one that comes to mind right away. I trained this lady, Mindy Doe. Never forget her. She was a badass. So, shout out to Mindy if she listens to the show. She, I trained her five days a week and she was like, fit, badass. And we're doing dumbbell chest press.
Starting point is 00:55:26 And I think it was only 15s, 10 or 15s. I think I had her supersetting something and then going over and then doing dumbbell flies or whatever. And I pinched the dumbbells to grab them. You know, because they're holding the handles, right? And when I used to train like some of my ladies that, and they're like, and they're like, I just pick them with my fingers.
Starting point is 00:55:46 And my hands were kind of slippery and wet. And I pinched it and one of them fucking drops and bounces off her fucking head. Bounce off her head, dude. Oh no! Oh my God. Oh yeah, yeah. And you could tell it's really her.
Starting point is 00:55:59 I mean, thank God I had a great relationship already with her, she'd been climbing for a long time. She's so serious. Yeah, so she didn't sue me, she didn't fucking make me feel, I mean I felt like shit right afterwards because she, I mean, big ol' wealth on her head and goose egg. Oh my God. Oh yeah, oh yeah, was that bad?
Starting point is 00:56:14 Goose egg popped up within about two minutes, dude. It was so, yeah, it was, so that's the first one that comes to mind. I don't know if I've ever had somebody pass out on me. That was, that was scary. That was not fun. That was scary. Like, this is like I've ever had somebody pass out on me. That was what that would scare me. That was not fun. That would scare me. Like this is like why do early because it was like a hot day outside. Yeah. And my go to when I first started, right, I was ex-assly. Like everybody loved my hard workouts. You know, I got a lot of pride in that. And
Starting point is 00:56:40 so this this poor girl, she loved the workouts, like leading up to that. And we were just doing like kind of the same intensity, same pace, but I had taken to account, she was didn't get any sleep the night before, she was telling all this later, like she was on some kind of a medication, she didn't tell me about, and she didn't take it. It took the perfect storm.
Starting point is 00:57:00 It's the perfect storm. And like, so she was just going through this sort of a circuit that I was doing at the time and Finished it and we're kind of like going back to sign off and she's kind of walking a little bit behind me a little slowly a little bit behind me Like thinking back like I probably would have caught it a lot earlier because I saw her eyes kind of glazed over you know that look Oh, I got really good at catching that. Ever since then I did. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I had to go through the hard process.
Starting point is 00:57:30 I was getting an asshole. That's when you learned that. Oh, it was horrible. So she was kept walking so, and I realized like, hey, where did you go? She was against the wall, like leaned against the wall, then all of a sudden, psh, lights out and like slid down, and then we had to call ambulance and everything and she came to and she was fine.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Did you get the CPR hurt? No, no, no, she just passed out. Yeah, she's passed out. I bet you felt. I felt like your pants first off. Oh, you got to shit your pants. I was so scared. That's one of the, easily one of the scariest things that will ever happen to you as a personal
Starting point is 00:58:02 trainer is if you, your client gets hurt or passes out or something like that while you're training. No, because I was like, I'm so safe. You see your career, like just... The irony for me, the same thing, except my mind, it was same client. Actually I was pushing her on legs, but she got light headed and dizzy and she just had to sit down and then she laid
Starting point is 00:58:21 down and then we didn't do anything for the rest of the workout, so she was fucked up for sure. But that was what my, like once I saw that, that I did that tour, I was like, that scared me enough that I'd never, I'd never heard somebody, that was it. It sucks, so it comes up, yeah. That poor lady got two things happen to her from me.
Starting point is 00:58:35 It was early on in my career. And then that set the tone later on. I never heard, I never injured anybody. I never heard anybody. I got really, my main one. I got really, really good at, there's a look that, and I know heard anybody, I never heard anybody. I got really, my main one. I got really, really good at, there's a look that, and I know you guys can, I've seen it, and trainers have been doing training for a long time
Starting point is 00:58:51 I've seen it. There's a look and there's subtle symptoms that you can see where you know, if we do more, you're gonna throw up. Really? It's not. But I didn't know that early on, so I'd push people, and then they go to the bathroom and whatever,
Starting point is 00:59:03 but I could see it after, so later on, I'd be training people and then they'd be like, oh, can I take a break? And then you could see the cold sweat and to get that kind of pale look. And then they'll be like, well, I can do more if I just take a break and I'm always like, I'm always like, yeah, I'm like, no, you're done.
Starting point is 00:59:16 How do you see? Are your hands shaky? Yeah, I work that. And I'd get them like a fruit or something to eat. So I had a guy, the one that pops into my mind was actually, I hate to say it kind of on purpose, not that I heard him. It's like a lesson, your teacher, not that I heard him, I didn't heard him.
Starting point is 00:59:31 But this dude, he calls me, and I think I told this story. Oh, the one there, he just, like, episode three or something like that. I only have 15 minutes. Yeah, he calls me up, and he's like, haggling with me over personal training prices over the phone. And I'm like, listen dude, I'm like, you know, but besides haggling with me over personal training prices over the phone. And I'm like, listen dude, I'm like, you know, but besides haggling with me, he'd ask me questions.
Starting point is 00:59:50 So this was over the course of a week. So he'd call me up, hey, Sal, I'm thinking about hiring you still, but what do you think about carbohydrates or what do you think about protein intake or what about this exercise? So after talking for a fucking week, I finally said, listen dude, you gotta come hire me. I'm not gonna just answer free questions all the time.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Right, he's called me. Stupid. So then he'd come in and hire me. So great when people ask me. And he was this engineer, probably in his 45 year old dude, shorter, chubby guy, and just kind of a weirdo. Kind of a weirdo. He tried to be my friend and he'd say things like,
Starting point is 01:00:22 hey, we should go out and look at chicks. I remember he said that one, like, look at chicks. Like, that's a fucking weird thing to say. He was just a weird dude. So he came in, he would come in and he would tell me things like, yeah, I want to be able to, you know, I don't really get sore last time. So, you know, I don't want you to count that as a session.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Like stuff like that. So, he calls me up. So he would say stuff like that to me. Like, yeah, that's not count. I wanted to get a sore. So I look at him, like, I tell him, like, no, we're gonna count it. It's still a workout.
Starting point is 01:00:49 So he called me up one day and he's like, hey, listen, he goes, his appointment was supposed to be at four, and it's like three oh five. And he says, hey, Sal, can I just come in right now because I'm available. And I said, sure, I said, give me one second. And I text another guy and another client, and says, yeah, I'll take the four o'clock.
Starting point is 01:01:05 So I filled that spot up. So I text them back and I'm like, yeah, you can come in. And he goes, cool, he goes, but since I'll be there about 15, 20 minutes late, can you put, can you keep me in for an hour? And I'm like, well, no, I just filled your old spot. And I can't, I can't do it. And he goes, oh, I really wanna get like a real workout in.
Starting point is 01:01:23 He's like, can you just give me like a good workout then, like a hard one, because the last couple were, like talking shit, you know what I mean? So I'm like, all right, all right, motherfucker. So, so he's driving over, he says he's down the street. So I set up a circuit with kettlebells. Kettlebell circuits are the worst, okay? Yeah, because you can do a lot in a confined space.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Bro, I'm doing kettlebell swings and snatches and figure eights and fucking, you go back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to and jump lunges, one of them. So I put like seven exercises together, and he runs in, and he's like, I gotta change my clothes real quick, so I'm like, no problem, buddy. Comes out, and I put him through this fucking insane circuit, and he tries to stop a couple times. And I'm like, don't stop, keep going. So I'm like, I'm gonna give him the real experience
Starting point is 01:02:18 that he thinks he wants. So after about 15 minutes of it, he has this look on his face, and he fucking stumbles over and I'm like oh shit He's gonna throw up. Yeah, so I grabbed the garbage. I bring it over and he's just fucking puking his ass off And then he sits down and I'm still relentless. I don't know why I was such an asshole that day I'm still relentless. I really got a new skit. Oh big time. So as he's sitting there I'm like all right, man I'm like let me know when you're ready to keep going
Starting point is 01:02:44 Let me know when you're ready. Anyway, never came back. So that was it. That was that guy. Then I had another client where we were, this was a woman who came to me and wanted to just get better shape. And I had convinced her that we need to lift weights,
Starting point is 01:03:02 like lifting weights, like actual barbell exercises, which we all know is true, is one of the most effective things you could do, is speed up the metabolism, build muscle, all that stuff. One of the reasons why I should have won a lift weights is because she was afraid of getting injured, like I don't wanna get hurt, and I'm like, listen, you know, there's always that risk, but I'm a good trainer, and I know what I'm doing.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Fucking first set of dead lifts with just the bar up on the rack pulls her back. Oh God. Son of a... The first set dude. Oh no. After she said that dude. After she said that. Oh God.
Starting point is 01:03:34 Pulls her back. I see. She lays down on the ground. I do some stretches with her. I do this in that. I go in the back. I think God I have a good massage therapist. I tell the therapist, I'm gonna buy her a massage right now.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Could you help her out? And she helped her out. And anyway, this woman ended up becoming a long-term client of mine. Oh, wow. I was so saved that one. Fuck, yeah. She said, I bought her a massage.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Yeah, don't worry, get this massage. That's good. There's a good lesson in that right there, though. You know what I'm saying? You know you fucked up, you know that was something that like, fuck, I should have even been even closer or safer. Now we gotta handle this. And then that, okay, I'm gonna'm going to add my own pocket right and probably didn't get paid for that session. Then in addition to that, you probably shall a hundred bucks or more just to get a massage done for.
Starting point is 01:04:13 And then what is it turn out in's that being probably a life. She ended up staying with me for like seven years. Yeah. Like a long time. And this was an injury, but I feel like I could have saved this place. Didn't know how to react because I was younger back then and this threw me for a curveball. Like this poor lady, I think I've told this story too. She started crying. She was having a really bad day. And I was just working around.
Starting point is 01:04:36 I was just working around. Like normal. But she was like, why is she treating me so hard? Making it all about me. You know, like all her shit that was going on, like I was like the guy that did it all to her. You know, like she's like crying at me, like pointing at me and like all this stuff in the gym.
Starting point is 01:04:56 And I'm just like, Ah, he fell so many get me out of here. You know, like I just like kind of went over and I tried to like be like empathetic and I kind of went over and I did the pat thing You know from the side like on her back like I was like trying to like do I look really? I'm gonna be okay, you know like I just kind of pat it her and she's just like Like left and like she never came back. Are you trading so hard? Yeah?
Starting point is 01:05:21 I was like I barely even got started Justin was brutal, that was his thing. I was kind of brutal. He was the hard-trained brutal. He was brutal. Oh yeah, I know. If there was a client, probably him or Ronnie, because they were competitive with each other with it. We were.
Starting point is 01:05:33 That's how we were. That's how bad it was. It was. That's how so many trainers wore though. So many trainers. That's why we voiced them all the time, because that was like our mentality. We first got started.
Starting point is 01:05:42 And the clients were the same way too. That's how they would measure if a trainer was good or not. They the clients were the same way too. Like that's how they would measure if it would train her was good or not. They'd brag about it. Yes. And I didn't that developed across. You know how many clients I had that would come to me, right? As the boss and say, hey, I really like someone,
Starting point is 01:05:56 so she's great and everything like that. But I want someone to kind of kick my ass a little more. Could you give me? That was always the fun. I always the underlying. I always had to do that, dude. I don't know how many times All right, here's Justin You asked for it
Starting point is 01:06:08 They come back. I love him. I love him. It's like making a deal with the devil It is three months later. I can't move Still made it work. Yeah, even though it's bad next question is from healthy happy and free It's still made it work, you know, even though it's bad. Next question is from Healthy Happy and Free. Do you think it's possible for a person with an unhealthy mind to have a healthy body? Nope. Do people are gonna think that we are friends
Starting point is 01:06:33 with Healthy Happy and Free? We answer her questions all the time. You know what's funny? I don't even realize. I don't even realize. I know, we all do the same thing. We just read it, we pick ones that we think are really good questions and we just throw them out.
Starting point is 01:06:43 Hey man, everybody else step your game up. Capitalism. That's good question. Competition. That's some good questions. I just think it feels like we don't, we have no, we have no connection to or what to. She writes fucking good questions. Do better. Do better. Stop asking. There's sometimes you get questions like she's killing you. What's the best amount of protein to take for building muscle? Oh my god Get it adjusted
Starting point is 01:07:13 So you can know you can't so here and here's why you can't one of the biggest problems and mistakes with the Western medicine mentality of health is that the symptoms of the body, even saying that is funny, the systems of the body are all independent. And the reason why we have that mentality is because the scientific method,
Starting point is 01:07:37 which is the best method in the world for learning things, it just really is. It requires that you take things, separate them out, test them, isolate them. You come up with your theory, you test that theory, and then it becomes truth or just proven. And so as a result of that, we learn lots of things about the human body, but also as a result of that,
Starting point is 01:08:01 we think of the nervous system by itself, the endocrine system, by itself, the nervous system by itself, the endocrine system, by itself, the muscular system, by itself, or the body and the mind being independent. You can't separate the two. You simply can't. And luckily, science now proves this. If you think something in your brain, think of something happy, something sad, something scary, we can measure it in your
Starting point is 01:08:25 body with the hormones that you produce, with the chemicals that are released in the body, we can see your muscle tension will change, your mood, your mindset will change your posture, which will change muscle recruitment patterns, which will then cause pain in those areas. When it's all lined up perfectly, it just exudes. You feel like a totally different kind of presence from somebody that is really truly healthy. Tell me, how can you possibly have a healthy? Well, here's the thing though, healthy and unhealthy
Starting point is 01:08:58 are impossible for us to really fully quantify. Like you can say, there's obviously a huge difference and we can measure like this guy is healthier than this person because of certain markers, but there's not like what is the true definition of health and unhealthy mind? Yeah, so there's a lot of variables because, you see, okay, this is what I would say.
Starting point is 01:09:20 I think there was a lot of very unhealthy minds in the competitive world, but very healthy bodies in comparison to maybe somebody who is really healthy, healthy. Statically. Yeah, they're healthy mentally, but then they're abusing their body. So it's like there's a lot of variables here and which ones would better or worse. That's the thing. Having a very, very healthy mind leads to not abusing your body.
Starting point is 01:09:46 A very unhealthy mind leads to abusing your body. Now that could be obesity. I think that's true and it's not true. I think that there's plenty of people with healthy minds that don't have healthy bodies. Really? Yeah, sure. Cause a healthy mind could mean the way you view yourself
Starting point is 01:10:04 with self-image and maybe even your own body And I guess it's how you classify it. Maybe not optimized, but I I don't I can't perceive somebody being obese or having lots of physical health. Okay. Well obese, maybe not but again going back to the you know That how do you quantify this? That's true. What's really unhealthy or kind of healthy or you know I'm saying so there's definitely some in the middle that are like super mentally tight put together, but then they, you know, if there's anywhere where they kind of fuck off, it's taking care of their body.
Starting point is 01:10:31 And here's the other thing you want to consider. Also consider is that it's a relationship that isn't necessarily, that isn't one way. So what I mean by that is, you know, you could have an unhealthy body that will lead to issues of the mind also that happens all the time. In fact, one of the best things you can do if you head studies on four people with mild to moderate depression and they'll give them SSRI drugs or whatever antidepressant drugs or they'll take a group of people with mild to moderate depression and they don't give them SSRI drugs but they start them on an
Starting point is 01:11:21 exercise program and they change their diet. The fitness and diet regime is as effective in the short term and better in the long term for the symptoms of depression. So it is this kind of circular thing and that's why I say you can't separate the two problems. Well, I really look at our digestive system and our brain like yin and yang. It is in a perfect relationship of give and take.
Starting point is 01:11:44 It's not a perfect relationship. It's symbiotic, right? They utilize each other and they speak to each other, but you know, too much of one can affect the other and you could still be okay in this area, but not so, you know, I'm saying this. That's why I feel like every day we're like in the state of conflict on some level. Like, we're always trying to get better. And I think that the people that you can see that are always, like, they recognize that nothing can go on autopilot. They're always trying to get better. And I think that the people that you can see that are always like they recognize that nothing can go on autopilot. They're always trying to work on getting better at something. Those are the ones that always stand out to me is, you know, the
Starting point is 01:12:13 ones seeking that place, that place of health. Well, it's so some interesting things are popping up for me. Could the body exist without the mind? Or would it be alive, probably not, right? And then vice versa, if they put you, and there's these rooms that exist that they've used in studies that are, they're almost like sensory deprivation chambers or whatever, but they're extreme.
Starting point is 01:12:38 There's one room in particular where if you go in there, it absorbs sound so much, it's the most silent thing that exists. And apparently, the longest anybody can stay in that room is a matter of minutes because they start to feel like foreign or what? They start to feel like they go crazy. Because, yeah, because when you disconnect the body
Starting point is 01:12:59 from the mind, remember, your conception of who you are, yourself, your mind. You need to be grounded. It also involves the senses that you have, touch, smell, sight. When you eliminate all of that and you become this disembodied, you know, existence, that's a very interesting thing that I don't think anybody can really understand what that feels like. And I know people have talked about like, oh, I took a really high dose of mushrooms and then I felt like I was separated from my body
Starting point is 01:13:27 and all that stuff. Maybe, but I don't know, I don't think they can exist as we know them without each other. So it's important to understand that. They are the same, they're one and the same, it's all one. So to try to work on one or to think to yourself, like, okay, I've got these mental issues. So I'm just going to focus on the mental side of these issues.
Starting point is 01:13:49 Right. You know, that may help, but you're better off looking at the whole thing because it all helps. Same thing with the body, you know, as trainers, people come to us to work on their body. We never have anybody. I've never had anybody who comes up to me and says, for the first session, we're going blind. Yeah, and says, hey, listen, I have a bad
Starting point is 01:14:07 relationship with myself. I'm depressed. And I want you to help me. No, it's I'm fat. And I want to lose weight. Now, as I'm training them, guess what I'm working a lot on. Yeah. Like all that. Absolutely. I'm working on all that stuff. And as a trainer, the most successful I ever, I ever became as a trainer is when I understood that. And I knew that in order for me to be a good trainer for them to show them success, it was more than just focusing on their body. It was focusing on that mental aspect as well. In fact, I would argue that the mental aspect that I would help them with as a trainer was more important than even my exercise.
Starting point is 01:14:45 Well, what's interesting to me is I know you guys, we had somebody on that you made predictions about the future of fitness and all that. So for me, my prediction really is that since we've compartmentalized everything over all these years, like the next big thing is the brain. You see that with new tropics and everything else trying to give it like vitamins and all of a sudden I'm gonna have this cognitive boost, you know, out of nowhere. But there's gonna be ways of actually training and doing things like reactivity and all these different tools that are gonna come out
Starting point is 01:15:15 like specifically geared to optimize the brain and that's gonna create this fitness health state. I believe that. I think that's already happening. I agree. Yeah, I believe we see that happening right now. I mean, that's just getting back to the Neuropathic thing. I mean, look, it's so crazy how out of control it is right now.
Starting point is 01:15:30 It's like, that's everywhere. It is a big fat. Everybody, and yeah, it is a huge fat right now. And it's not anti-anybut, I mean, it's great. It's cool, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, Jesus, there's so many other things. But it's not, that's not the only thing. Right.
Starting point is 01:15:43 Let's not get away from the whole. You know what else that reminds me of? So when we were in school, PE and music were part of education. They were actually, if I'm not mistaken, they were required. And then along, shortly after, we got at elementary school, they started saying, no, the only thing that's important, or that we should make, you know, compulsory is, you know, are these subjects reading math science and whatever, and they eliminated music and activity,
Starting point is 01:16:13 or at least they placed a smaller emphasis on it, yes, get rid of all the creative stuff. And what's funny is, now we know for sure that if you're active, if a child is active and moving their body, they don't have to be an athlete, they don't have to be gifted, but if they move their body and they stay active, their cognitive ability improves. Yes, substantially.
Starting point is 01:16:35 Music is another one. Children who play music do far better in stuff that you think is not connected to music like math. In fact, there's parents who are trying to optimize their kids' math skills. It's weird, man, it's subconscious, but it really simplifies math. It's all connected, man.
Starting point is 01:16:52 It's all connected. If you are a brainiac, if you're a scientist, and all you like to do is learn and study and be smart, and you work hard at doing that, one of the things you could do to improve your cognitive ability is get fit. And that's, again, proven now. But if I had said that 20 years ago,
Starting point is 01:17:12 people would have said, you know, because the whole, it was all, what was it? The dumb job? That's for the jacks, yeah. Yeah, it makes you stupid in the world. Not true at all. So it's all the same. And I would venture to say, I would love to see a study
Starting point is 01:17:22 that would compare that with some, this same type of person in the same condition to just taking venture to say, I would love to see a study that would compare that with some this same type of person in the same condition to just taking new tropics and see which one would actually enhance them even more. Getting in shape would enhance that person's, take some of our YouTube stars and give them some new tropics. See what happens. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:39 They'll just be dumb faster. It's, yeah, no, nothing's gonna touch that. There's not a single, I'll tell you what, the day they invent a pill that can literally mimic proper nutrition and proper fitness or whatever, I mean, that'll be a miracle. That'll be like, that'll save more lives than anything I think of,
Starting point is 01:18:00 but we're not even close to doing that. There's no supplement on earth that can come close to doing and stuff. I mean, the best new tropic in the world is activity, even basic activity. If you're studying for something and you want to absorb what you're studying, one of the best things you can do is get up and move in between studying.
Starting point is 01:18:18 Like every 15 minutes, get up and do some pushups or stretch or something like that. Or while you're reading, you know, do some activity. I learned this on accident. You know, I tell people that if you do this, and in the beginning, you kind of have to apply it, like you have to actively think about it, whether it be reminder or what that,
Starting point is 01:18:35 but it's something that I learned probably 10, 10 years ago, maybe more, and I mean, you guys know, when we're at Reno and we're shooting, like you'll see me, I'll get up, and I'll walk, I'll be walking in the room. Why we're, why we're creating or thinking because it's like, it's sharper and we're creating way. I can, I can just tell. And now I can tell. So it's natural. I don't think about it. I don't go like, Oh, we need to work on a project right now. I need to think clear. I'm going to get up and start walking around. I just my, I just naturally just
Starting point is 01:19:02 do it. But it took me some time, first of doing that, then I could connect the dots like, oh shit, I am sharper, I am better when I do move around and do that, and so I've always done that now. Yeah, and exercise and activity, we know now also stimulates the release of BDNF, brain derived, neurotropic factor, which is kind of a buzz word right now because there's supplements coming around that Yeah, that's it. They do that but they don't so be an F. This is like some porn search
Starting point is 01:19:32 BDNF you're thinking of BDSM BDSM that sounds like something that BW that sounds like something that Ben Greenfield is increasing by shoving some red light up his nose Or is it? Yeah, yeah putting in or two. Really optimizing my BDNF. So what BDNF does is it encourages the growth of new pathways in the brain. It's like the smart drug that's naturally produced in your brain. Moving and exercising causes the release of that. It's extremely good for the brain to move and exercise.
Starting point is 01:20:02 And on the flip, taking care of your mind will of course help with the emotional state, the choices you make with your exercise and your diet. If you're in a bad emotional state, even if you really wanna work out and eat right, you can become orthorexic or make the wrong decisions. We know this in the fitness industry. So, no, health, true health includes all of that stuff.
Starting point is 01:20:23 If you have one of those things that is unhealthy and of course reason is broad, you know, generalized umbrella, but if you're unhealthy in the mind, then you're just unhealthy. If you're unhealthy in the body, then you're just unhealthy. So there really isn't, you can't separate the two. With that go to YouTube, subscribe to our YouTube channel. I'm surprised that we have a lot of listeners that still haven't checked out. Oh my God. The YouTube channel. I'm surprised that we have a lot of listeners that still haven't checked out. Oh my God. The YouTube channel.
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