Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 662: Training to Failure Mistakes, Best Way to Use a Treadmill, Validity of Target Heart Rate & MORE

Episode Date: December 15, 2017

Kimera-Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Kimera Koffee (kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about if it is more beneficial to do a high incline and hold on to the handles or decrease incline and don’t hold on when using a treadmill, what training to failure really means, balancing training while trying to work full-time and being a supportive husband/new dad with a baby that is messing with both parents' sleep schedule and using heart rate as a means to measure intensity and effectiveness of a workout. Interview skills and technology (5:31) IIFYM – the same as religion and politics (8:13) Nutrition becoming more dogmatic Thrive Market Cricket Chips (15:53) Conditioning your palate Health IQ Quiz results (20:00) iPhone X (22:50) Facial ID, dangerous or convenient Government and big business in cahoots Operation Mockingbird Siri and voice recognition Sal watches Alien with his son (31:43) Adam wants that gold juice! (35:40) Quah question #1 - Is more beneficial to do a high incline and hold on to the handles or decrease incline and don’t hold on when using a treadmill? (37:25) Quah question #2 – How do you guys define training to failure? (49:05) Quah question #3 – How would you balance training while trying to work full-time and being a supportive husband/new dad with a baby that is messing with both parents' sleep schedule? (59:42) Quah question #4 – What is your opinion on using heart rate as a means to measure intensity and effectiveness of a workout? (1:05:30) Related Links/Products Mentioned: IIFYM - Counting Your Macros Is F*CKING Up Your Health!! | Nutrition Facts + Advice (Jason Phillips) Kimera Koffee Use code "mindpump" for 20% off Episode 538: What the Health Review & MORE – (YouTube) Thrive Market (Official Mind Pump sponsor) One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more Pho Health IQ (Get a FREE Quote and take the quiz!) How Secure is the iPhone X's FaceID? Here's What We Know | WIRED Eye-Opener: Why Do Pupils Dilate in Response to Emotional States? Operation Mockingbird Alien (1979) Organifi (Official Mind Pump sponsor) Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off Heavy duty – Mike Mentzer (book) HOW TO GAIN 63 POUNDS OF MUSCLE IN 28 DAYS: THE INFAMOUS COLORADO EXPERIMENT Fitness For Moms - FIT4MOM II Strength In Motherhood RUBBERBANDITZ RESISTANCE BAND SET (Mind Pump Affiliate) Miguel Indurain: the record Tour winner | Cyclist People Mentioned: Paul Chek (@PaulChek) | Twitter Arnold (@Schwarzenegger) Twitter Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Twitter Gary Vaynerchuk (@garyvee)  Twitter Mike Mentzer Dorian Yates (@thedorianyates)  Instagram Serge Nubret Arthur Jones (inventor) Miguel Induráin Lance Armstrong (@lancearmstrong)  Twitter Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)  

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I want to taste that gold dust. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, this individual's increasing their steps, trying to increase their neat, but it's cold outside. So they like to walk on the treadmill. Is it more beneficial for them to walk on an incline treadmill holding onto the handles, or should they flatten it out, slow down a little bit, and not hold on? Try it backwards.

The answer is going to surprise you. Actually, we'll shock you. The next question was, how do we define training to failure? What does it mean to fail? Is that when your form breaks down? Or is it when you die? Which one is failure? Which one is failure?

And is it something you should do to improve your fitness? The next question was, how do you balance training when you're trying to work a full-time job, be a supportive husband, a new dad with a baby? Like, how do you get your workouts? How do you schedule them? What does a workout look like for someone with that busy of a lifestyle?

I wish the day had 30 hours. The final question was, we talk about target heart rate and how it's kind of outdated in a waste of time, but this person is a student of kinesiology, a trainer, and is teaching group fitness classes at a university, and they're still teaching them how to work out in heart rate zone. What the hell's going on here?

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It's all someone's front and then the second hour and a half is, you know, the real person. I agree. No, I agree with that. You know, so... That's why I'm fucking over the Skype thing, dude. It's so hard to interview over Skype. How can you have a genuine conversation with someone you just met over Skype? And then you fight over that space,

like you don't want to talk over them, but then they're talking over you. As you know that you're trying to come in, and they're just like, I catch myself paying attention to my timing of interrupting so much, so not even in the conversation. Dude, how funny is it?

Like, waiting to say something could just... How funny is it though when you're like, okay, I'm gonna interrupt and then they don't stop. Yeah, but then you're like, no, I'm gonna keep going cause then they'll get the signal but they don't have to just like throttle all down. So it's two people talking at the same time, like that, that, that, that, that, that,

and then finally some horrible, and that wouldn't happen in person. In person that doesn't happen in person, you're not going to get that because they're going to see your mannerism, right? I'm going to be talking you in my hand, I'm looking at you when I'm like, you're all coming in closer. Like, I'm talking. I wonder if there's a, is there a good way like where you can, I know through Skype, you can see them, right? There's video too. Is that really the best option? There's gotta be, I feel like there would be

a huge market for this. It would be cool if we could actually mount some cameras up on the ceiling, and have them shoot into us, and then that, the guests can actually like see us on there. And we could see them. Well, at least they could see us. But even Skype, it's not very,

I did that once and it was weird. Oh yeah. Yeah, it was my worst interview ever. Oh, really? Yeah, because I could see the guy he could say me and then it wasn't, I don't know, it's not the same. It's just we got to get used to it, dude. It's a skill like anything. That's bottom line. You, I blame myself. Justin, Josiah, interviews you later on today, right? Yeah, three o'clock. I was telling him, I thought that was really, I think it's really cool that people are starting now to, to interview all of us individually because together we're mind-pump.

But each of us have this, we're all very, very different. You know, we have it. We have it corks. Right, and have a different story and bring something different to you. And I think like, in mind-pump, you get the flavor of all of us, right? But like you could separate each one of us out

and I think there's a lot to get from all of us individually. So I think it's cool to see get from all of us individually. So I think it's cool to see someone like him who's actually going through and interviewing each person individually so you can kind of get it because I think that way there's going to be somebody there's definitely going to be people that don't like me. There's also going to be people that totally identify because you know you hear my whole story and you're like oh wow the same thing goes for you and for something. So I think I'm in a little more depth.

Speaking of not liking, you guys see all the shit that the frickin' IIF-WAM video now? Oh, goodness. So awesome. Isn't it? Funny we got so removed from that tribalism stuff. Dude, why? Hey, here's something for you.

If someone talking about a food or a macro or a micro nutrient triggers you you have a fucking food issue. It's gonna say it to you right now. If you get offended you get angry. If you talk shit if it triggers you you have an issue you idiot. You can do it bro. No shit man. It's changed my life. Dude you can you can you can you can disagree. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing, but right right fends you Personally, it's I'm not joking. It is in the same category as religion and politics No, it is really weird to me so many you bring up carbs or fats or Paleo or I have a and specific ratios dude

This is what works and the worst part is that people didn't even some people even watch the video No, they didn't watch the video They didn't put an intelligent question. They just do an insolacy. This is stupid. It's like lazy assholes, right? You guys don't you guys know what you're talking about who are these idiots? I just shut off. I don't listen. I just know it's terrible I mean, and we literally say in the video that counting macros is an important step Yeah towards eating properly, but it's a step, it's not the destination

and it can also cause a poor relationship to food. Literally, that's the whole gist of it, what I just said right here. Now we go into depth with the video and give examples and it's a lot of fun. But that's what we say, people got so fucking mad. It's like a bunch of children. Oh, and then I love my favorite part as people were like, there was one,

I don't remember her name, one girl on there. It was really breaking my balls and she's like, yeah, she's trying to get like laying the goal over there. We'll see what Lane had to say about this. I'm like, oh, you know, laying my friend. You know what I'm saying? I know we gave him. And she's like, oh, I bet he is.

I bet he is. You were just saying that. I'm like, no, actually, he's, you know. You can bring him over. We'll talk about him. Why don't you watch the video first? And then we can talk about it. Actually, I had he, I bet he is. You just saying that and like, no, actually, you know, you can bring him over. We'll talk, I haven't watched, why don't you watch the video first? And then we can talk to him. I mean, it's actually in a while.

Thanks for bringing him back. What the fuck is going on here? It's religion. No, very much so is. In fact, sometimes I think, I think we've kind of loosened up on religion, I feel like, and I feel like nutrition has become more dogmatic. It's become crazier.

I wonder why. Think about, let's think about this for a second. Why? So strange. Why do we, okay, I understand. Well this is why, this is why. So with religion, you know, it's always been that way with really, we've always divided people that way.

Well because it's who you are. Right, right. So and you identify with it, but there's something that's not tangible about that. The difference with food and nutrition is there's a tangible result, right? So they can actually, someone can say, my life was fucked up, I was depressed,

I was angry, I was sad, I was obese, all these bad things are happening in my life. Then I started becoming, I became vegetarian. And my inflammation went down and my energy levels went up. Even the name, right. Yeah, exactly, you go vegetarian, right? You go, I go vegetarian. Elysms and everything.

Right, right. And then I, and then? You go, I go vegetarian. Isums and... Right, right. And then all these wonderful things happen that I can connect with. You can't deny me that, hey, when I went vegetarian, before that, all these bad things, now all these good things happen. So it has to be... Dude, I'm having all these breakers right now.

Let's, if we list religion next to nutrition. Same, bro. Think about this. Religion... Religion. It will give you hard rules and laws that you identify with. Don't shave your beard. Your skin structure. Don't have sex with before marriage or whatever, right?

And then these religious, excuse me, these nutritional ways of eating or whatever have those laws also. Keto. Don't eat carbs, eat lots of fat. Paleo. Only eat foods that run, swim, fly, or grow on a tree. Vegetarianism, only eat plant-based food. Okay, now. So that is totally uncommon with all that being said.

Why is it that church has the most obese people I've ever seen in my life? What the fuck? Nobody got the memo? You feel like they're not. They're not. What the fuck? Nobody got the memo. You know, you feel like it'd be like a perfect blend for that addiction to the food religion. Yeah, they're like, this one doesn't work for me. This is in contrast.

And then, my potlucks. And then with nutrition, you have your messias or your, right? Yes, you do. You do. You have your paleo gods, you have your IIFLAM gods, you have your keto gods. It's so similar to religion and so many parallels. The yes and it provides you with a certain level of control in, let's be honest, life is

a lot of life is, here's the secret to life I've found, is understanding that there's a lot you can't control and being okay with it. It's not that you can control everything. here's the secret to life I found, is understanding that there's a lot you can't control and being okay with it. It's not that you can control everything. That's the opposite. You can't control everything. But religion and nutrition, let's talk about nutrition for a second,

it gives you that sense of control. And people with really bad food issues, like anorexics, bulimics, they'll tell you the reason why they did that is it made them feel like they had power. And I think too, it makes them feel like they're in the know, you know? And so like when, when people feel like they have this, this knowledge that other people around them don't have, they're like, it becomes this weird sort of elitism where

that they're talking to people differently. Like you just do now. It's the spiritual righteousness thing. It's just like the spiritual righteousness thing, except for now it's nutritional righteousness. Yeah. It's like, I know better than you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I read this book that tells me all about this thing. I can't critically think anymore. You know, this changed everything. That's why I remember when we first went to Paul Chex House while I instantly like I fell in love with the guy because when I saw his library and was like, dude, this dude has got Darwin, the Bible and fucking, you know, Dalai Lama and all of the other.

All of every human thought. Yeah, he's like, okay, I'm going to read that. I have so much respect for a man that has opened mind enough to read polar opposite ideologies, right? And I feel the same way about nutrition. Like, if you attach yourself to any type whether be keto, veganism, IFIM, fucking whatever it is, if you identify with it, like dude,

the best thing you could possibly do is to challenge yourself to read outside of that, dude. Read outside of that, learn, try, see how your body responds. You know what the beauty is with it? The beauty with nutrition is that because the body's always changing, you will, many times, oftentimes, learn the lesson because the body is always changing, you will,

many times, oftentimes, learn the lesson the hard way. Like many times you will, many times you'll, for sure, you know, keto were so great for me. I feel so good. I have so much energy. I can think so straight. And so then after, and then five years later, I'm having issues with my thyroid or my health or what's going on here. You know, and it's like your body's telling you like, okay, we've changed now, let's try something different. Let's try adding something else and same thing with veganism, same thing with anything else. Veganism in particular is, can be,

and this is why veganism, I think it's a bad rap in terms of like the fanaticism surrounding it because not only do they have the hard rules and laws or whatever, but they also attach their morality to it. Yes, right. So then it gets really, really. And that's the part, and I think you explain this really well, is that, yeah, man, if you're somebody who doesn't eat meat because you think it's cruel to animals, I respect that.

I respect that. And to each their own, and I'm not going to argue that. I'm not going to debate with you. Like, at the same time, ignoring the fact that nature is insanely cruel. I don't get it. It's like, we try to make things as humane as possible. And yet, you go back to nature and you're like, oh my God, that's a fucking horrific. Dude, after eating those chips, I'm convinced that we're going to bugs real soon here.

For sure. I like that idea. For sure. We're going to bugs real soon here sure I like I like that idea for sure We're going to as long as I don't see it's a bug like don't give me a spider in the form of a spider if you make it in the form of a cookie Oh, dude, I sure you know, I know you guys like I There's the thrive market the thrive market chips that we just ordered. Yeah, dude. I struggled with The crunchy idea of the crunch. Because it's crunchy and it's a cricket. Like, if it was worms, I think I could've done it. It's all shaped like a leg or like a wing.

Right, the whole time I'm crunching in my mouth, I'm just thinking like crunching on a cricket. A cricket just seems like it would be crunchy. I've never seen, dude. So, in football, there's this guy who's from Kansas, he was fucking crazy. And he just grabbed this praying mantis that was like almost like, I don't know, six inches big.

He was huge. Oh wow. And he just took it and like somebody dared him to eat it. And he just like bit the head off and like put the whole thing in his mouth. All the legs are like coming out. I was just like, ah, I could not believe he did that. You know what dude? It's funny how brain washed,

I don't know, for lack of a better term, how conditioned we are when it comes to foods, like how we're so grossed out by some things, but not by other things. And if you go to different cultures, it's like an everyday thing. It doesn't face them whatsoever. Like so my kids, so we obviously we grew up

and my kids eat a lot of Italian food and a lot of stuff, which isn't that different from, I mean, a time food is Western food, right? But because we're Sicilian, there are certain things that will eat that typical American kids may not be exposed to. For example, when we eat lamb meat, because we love lamb meat, sometimes we'll get the bone in the middle of the meat, and there's bone marrow in there.

Now you try giving bone marrow to an average kid at the age of seven, you know, have you ever seen bone marrow? Yeah. They'll be like, Oh my god. You're such a jull. Now we grew up fighting over that.

And my kids, so this day, they don't know any better. They don't think it's gross because they're always, well, we've always given it to them since they were babies. So to them, they argue over it. But then if they have a friend over and they do that, the friends like, what the fuck are you eating? That's disgusting. Well, I've always found just the idea. It's so fascinating to me that, the friends like, what the fuck are you eating? That's disgusting. Well, I've always found just the idea,

it's so fascinating to me that, you know, we don't even think about how, like, the conditioning that you have grown up with, right, is what really dictates your palate and like what types of food you like. And it's like, the fact you've trained yourself at that age, so if you're like an adult and you're like, oh, I hate this,

oh, I don't, it's like, dude, you conditioned yourself. Yes, you can actually unlearn that. Yes. You trained yourself to fucking be a, it's not that all Mexicans like Mexican food and all Indians like Indian food, it's that they were fucking raised in a family that fed them refried beans and fucking tortillas their whole life.

If you put an Indian kid in that same situation and put an Indian kid with a Mexican family at birth, he would eat Mexican food. It just would fuck it. I don't know though. I feel like, I feel like everybody likes Mexican food. Love Mexican food. It just would fuck it. I don't know though. I feel like everybody likes Mexican food. Love Mexican food. It has to be the number one food.

It is the best. I'm a tie-in. Well, it definitely is where we live for sure, because you're in the Bay Area. I mean, San Jose is definitely one of the better places. I've got to make sure. One of the better places to find it. Except for Menudo, I won't touch that shit.

I don't like menudo. I'm not a big menudo fan. You know what that is, Justin? No. Stomach. Oh, okay. Cal Stomach. Okay. I'm not a big one. You know what that is Justin. No stomach Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I've had not I'm not talking about the tongue. I'm not talking about the boy band from the Manido I was thinking of my head. You ate them Mexican version of foe

Fuh, I ate far the other day. Oh, fire, yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah, dude, fire is good. But I ate it at that place in San Jose that's, it's on, it's on snow and. And I'm addicted to fire. But it's a legit, have you ever been to a legit, like what, hold on, where's fire from? Is that Vietnamese? Yeah, okay, Vietnamese.

You ever been to a legit Vietnamese restaurant? Like for reals, like the signs on the walls are handwritten. Yeah, yeah. And they're playing Vietnamese music. And it's an old Vietnamese woman that's in charge. Is the name like FOOC. You're like FOOC. It's FOOC.

It's like something that always laughs. Cause yeah. Oh, PHO is FOOC or FOOC. Where are you going? Anyway, so this place is legit. Like, and when you go in there, that's all that's there. It's Vietnamese people. And nobody speaks English. and the food was amazing.

Yeah, it's the best hangover cure. Yeah, I've ever had a mind. It's always the authentic places. Yeah, it's really great. Great, fine. Did you guys take those health IQ tests? I did. So what did you think?

Well, you and I scored exactly the same thing. Oh, 186. What was your score? Yeah, 186 was something like that. Yeah, 16. So I missed three or four. Do you remember how many you missed? It was three or four, right? And then there were ones that. Yeah, yeah. So I missed three or four. I can't do you remember how many you missed? It was three or four.

There were ones that stupid that they made. I was afterwards, I was like, I was taking the test, like Katrina came in the house, right? And they were kind of challenging. It wasn't like just common sense for a lot. There were some questions in there that are like, you gotta kind of know your shit, to know this. And they kind of, they present them in like,

like a Trump heads would do well. Well, so it'd be interesting to see, it'd be interesting to see what our audience, how like with the average of our forum, I love for our forum to get on there and do it. So I think they're brilliant, you know why? Why? So Health IQ is this life insurance company

for the listeners, we don't know what we're talking about. And when you get life insurance, which is very important, especially if you have somebody that like a spouse or children or people dependent on you, very important to do that, especially when you're young, because it's so cheap, when you're young and when you're older, it just breaks the bank. But this company specializes in life insurance

for fitness enthusiasts. And the reason why they did that is they noticed there was a market for it, because when you go get life insurance, these companies, many times, they send representatives out to like test you, that is they noticed there was a market for it because when you go get life insurance, these companies, many times they send representatives out to like test you to your blood, not to do your BMI shit, right? Yeah, and they do your BMI and they're like, oh, you're obese, so you're rate is this.

And you're like, yeah, but I'm lean and muscular, you know what I mean? That doesn't count. So, HealthIQ saw that there was a market for that. And so they developed, that's where they target. They consider us muscular people. So they have this test that you take online. You can actually go and take the test. It's healthiq.com, Doug.

For slash mine pump. For slash mine pump. So you can go take this quiz and they ask you all these fitness questions. Now there's two things that I see that come out of this. One is, it's smart in the sense that by your score on this quiz tells them that you indeed are somebody that knows fitness.

So maybe you get a better price. But on the flip side from a sales perspective, fucking brilliant, right? Because now I take a test and I get my score and I'm like, oh cool, I'm going with this company because they tested me. They get me. They get me.

So, no, no. It's smart. But it was more challenging that I think there was some trick questions there. There were some things that I like. The one I missed, the one that I missed that made me annoyed was because it was CDC guys off of like old standards. One of them was like which of these diets was approved by the whatever, and it was Weight Watchers.

And I'm not gonna choose Weight Watchers. You could put that one in there, I'm not gonna choose that shit. Weight Watchers, You can have that. Anyway, that's the, what's one of the ones that I'm gonna do. No, no, I want to, I love for some of our four members to get on there and take it just to hear everyone's feedback. I'd like to hear where everyone's scored.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but be interested and see. So I think my score was, I think we got 186. Yeah, I screen shot it. I'll post it on the screen. I actually screen shot it. Tell my other phone though, since I got to new iPhones and so. Anyway, which by the way, is fucking awesome. The new iPhone?

Now the mind finally works right. Yeah, so I kept my old one too, right? So I have the six plus, and then I have the iPhone X now. And it's crazy. I find it very fascinating how Apple does this. Like, they, how they evolve, like, the smallest little details to make things faster. And you just, I don't really, you don't really notice it

because we naturally evolved. If you're someone who's bought like every iPhone, it's just kind of like gradually, get it. So having both of them, it was the first time I really can compare, because I'm also using my iPhone X, I'm used to all the features. Then I go back to the six and then it doesn't respond the same way. Yeah, it is weird.

And I remember you even brought this up. Like I started using the, you know, how like the facial recognition, like, oh, it's cool to open the phone and all that, but like to pay and then get through that process with all my online purchases. Bro, you know how much money I've blown? How much money I've blown in the last three weeks

since I bought this one. That is a dangerous side of it. Just because it's easy to buy stuff. Thousands of dollars, not kidding. Just easy to buy stuff. How much money I've blown in the last three weeks since I bought this one is a dangerous side of this because Thousands of dollars not kidding because easy to buy stuff It's so easy once I put all my information and it got my credit card and then it recognizes my face now like this just happened We're in the fuck we're in I just I was bought another snowboard I don't even know the snowboard because I was in the theater Waiting for the movie to come on with Katrina Killing time talking to my brother about snowboards,

and I think, you know what, I want another snowboard. Snowboard, get on there. Oh, this is good deal, but yeah, and recognize my face. What is it like you're buying it from like Amazon or like where you buy it? Yeah, yeah, well, this one I bought directly from the website, but it doesn't matter wherever I'm shopping.

Really? Now, if I just, it's like face all my personal payment information, everything all all comes I just had to confirm it isn't this a little Maybe I'm just it isn't you know, maybe I'm an old funny because you know why you're scared It's actually made it safer because it's my why get that right get that part But then there's the other part where now they have your fingerprint they have your face Well, they've got all your information. Yeah, I know. I mean, here's, here's, this is how, you make it access to any time. This is how I look at that.

So, because I know there's, there's two sides that I can't, right? There's like the, you know, my, like my, my little brother, my little brother who thinks he's trying, he's trying to stay off the fucking grid so much. It's ridiculous. And then you have the other people like myself who I'm like, I accept it.

I'm like, I don't think the government gives two fucks about me. And I, I, I accept it. I'm like, I don't think the government gives two fucks about me. And I would be willing to offer up all those personal, those that personal information to make my life as convenient as it just made my life. Like that, I love it. I love it. It's dangerous, because I know I can get out of control.

Like I've literally like every day for the last three weeks, I've had something show up in my door for a second. Well, we know how powerful marketing can be, right? We know how pervasive it can be and how it can influence people. The better they know their customers, the more powerful that can become. That's gonna penetrate everything. It's just kind of weird.

Well, that's how it's getting me. So it was started by Christmas shopping, right? So every year, Katrina and I try and get better and better about starting earlier and buying everything through Amazon. So it ships right to the house and it's buying everything through Amazon. So it ships right to the house and it's all boxed up. So I did that. We did that like back before Thanksgiving. So we got all our Christmas most all our Christmas shopping done back then. But now because I did all this buying all the advertising is coming through coming towards me. And it's all shit that I want.

It's a retarget. I'll take it, I'll take it, I'll take it. Look at this deal that just happened, what? Oh shit, I just bought it. Yeah. What if it starts noticing things about your face too? Like you start getting ads for like acne medication. Oh my God, you know what I mean? Or like, you look tired, you know what I mean?

You might wanna do some other wrinkles. It's all in a picture. What if it get razor? So check this out, you know your pupils will dial it or constrict depending on if you like something you don't like something. And there's a lot that they're learning you can tell about someone and what they're looking at just by observing their pupils and how the pupils move. What if it starts to learn how to read your pupils and it starts to hit the like button? It just knows. Think about this way. So we're learning about internet marketing right now right? We're learning about split testing.

This is a big thing. There's a big thing in internet marketing where they would split tests ads to the point where you're testing color, you're testing font, you're testing, and then you get the perfect ad. Trust me, this all makes a big difference. Oh yeah. Imagine if they're just looking at your pupils and they're doing different things and now you're getting like the perfect message to the product.

Dude, I think that, I think the phones in the future will be able to pick up your core temperature and your heart rate and they'll take all that to create a formula Like oh look his heart rate elevated this palms got sweaty his eyes. Dily. He must really like this. He's a tough chub Yeah, he's ready. Yeah I Yeah, he's ready. Yeah, man. Whoa. I have 100% these going on. So the reason why this scares me a little bit is because in the past, you've had this unholy alliance of government and business where they partner together. And it usually starts off with like some bullshit.

I think it's already there. I know, dude, I'm a little worried, man. I think they're already in kuhuts. I think there is. Like, think about how easy it is to manipulate people when you know all the stuff about them. And if you want to scare, like one of the easiest way to get people to do what you want to scare the fuck out of them, that's all you got to do. So they, if once they can read people, they know what, what, you know, things to poke at.

And they send it out or whatever and start just creating this, you know, the story that people start to follow. And next thing you know, we start hating each other, we start hating this thing, and we start, I don't know, man. I mean, nothing for so many years has been as powerful as government. And for the first time ever,

I actually feel like companies like Amazon, like Google, like Facebook are becoming as powerful. And I think what's happening is- Well, they can't use force. That's about it, right? They can't kill you, they can't put you in jail. Right, and that's why you could argue that government's more powerful, right?

Because technically they could do martial declare martial law and fucking throw us out, whatever, you know what I'm saying? So technically government is, you know, can be physically more powerful, but from an, from an influence, influencing people? Oh, dude, I mean, I would argue, I would argue that companies like Facebook, Amazon,

Google are more influential than the company. Decades ago, I can't remember the name of it, Operation Blackbird. I don't know, maybe you can look it up for me, Doug, while I'm talking to you. I think it's Operation Blackbird. Years ago, the CIA, this was revealed in the Freedom of Information Act, but the CIA came up with some plans to inject operatives in the media to influence the public.

This was like, I don't know, in the 1970s. So who knows, they could be. Of course, that's still around. You know, they could, they could, they could be executives at these tech companies and stuff that are just kind of doing their job, you know, kick and ask, but they're also collecting it for, no, these, you know how many back doors they found?

To some of this stuff? Didn't Russia find some back doors to some Apple products and then they found, to some of this stuff, didn't rush to find some back doors to some Apple products and then they started banning some of their stuff because there was the CA, it was able to spy through some of this tech. It's coming, it's you. I'm maybe just scared of everything. I don't know.

You could go down that rabbit hole. You know how I have anxiety. I think it's getting better though, because we're connected. I think two things that are corrupt, bad, dangerous, you find out faster and easier. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, though because we're connected. I think two like things that are corrupt bad dangerous You find out faster and easier. Yeah, you know, I'm saying so it's like that side of it right there's that so there's this the side that we're all scared about like Oh my god, it's like moving so fast, but then it's like yeah, but if somebody somebody who's evil corrupt or doing bad things like it won't last long because We real quick here. Yeah, someone will let you know real quick like you so I don't know

I think I think that those companies their standards have to be much higher than the companies that were existed 30 40 years ago Like so and I think that and I think that's better for everybody I think I mean look at look at how it's influenced us and what we're doing right now like trans like we talk about time How transparency is king and like the future businesses or CEOs or owners of companies will have to, you no longer can hide behind your brand. You have to be who you are and the more transparent you are, I think the more success you're going to have because the consumer wants it, they demand it now. Then they want to know, like, who am I buying from?

I can buy a t-shirt from anybody. Why am I buying a t-shirt from you? And now you have to put yourself out there, so. It was Operation Mockingbird, not Blackbird. Mockingbird, Blackbird was something else. So Operation Mockingbird was a large scale program of the CIA that began in the early 50s and attempted to manipulate news media

for propaganda purposes. And you know why this happens, by the way. This happens not because the CIA or the government says we're evil, we wanna like fuck with people. That could happen, but usually what happens is, hey, we have this major threat, the Cold War, we need to go in and start to control things a little bit for the protection of people,

and then you never know who gets in, years later, now you've got shitty people running the thing. It starts with good intentions, right? Yeah, dude. Like there was that guy in the NSA who they found people who like spy on X-Girl friends and X-Boy friends Because they have access to like pack everybody, you know, it's just humans, right? You know, I mean don't give him that much power

Becky fucking bitch dude this weekend I forgot to tell you guys what I did this week So you know like two weeks ago I watched a predator with my son. Yeah, you guys remember the second movie. I was gonna watch with them Could you just call a? Oh, Ali. Oh, you watched it? Yeah, really? Wasn't you scary? No. Oh, wow.

No, dude, we sat and we'll watch it and I told them. At first he saw, he looked it up, right? And when I hit play it, whatever it shows the description. Did he see the movie Alien vs Predator yet? Well, that's probably what he's leading into. That's why I'm saying it up. Thank you. He just didn't see the, so I showed him.

Why, his generation may have seen that already and then you're going back. No, he was just didn't see the book. Okay. So I showed him, his generation may have seen that already, and then you're going back. No, he was too young when that came out. Okay. But he saw the description underneath, and he's like, 1979, he's like, this is gonna suck.

And I said, you know what son, I said, he's a classic. I said, I want you to keep in mind that this movie is as old as your dad when you watch it,

and it's gonna make it that much better. And sure enough, you watch it, and he's like, this is really good. He goes, I can't believe this was made in 1979. So I told you, the other thing that was funny too is we're watching, so this is a movie made in 1979

that's depicting the year 2034, I think. I think that's when they're trying to pick. So you see their computers and shit and what they thought computers would look like. They're the computers in Alien, which are supposed to be futuristic look or cake Compared to the ones that we have now like You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. What do you think about that? Because you think about they were trying to make it look futuristic and it still looks like shit compared to the real ones

Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so cool Predator just like with the infrared like that was this new thing. Yeah. Oh shit. Oh, what's it? Seeing people that way you know what I'm noticing man And I know Gary Vee talks a lot about this about the the future is everything is audio now, right? Like so where we're just gonna be able to say oh Siri this oh Lexa Man, I don't know if you just a notice or not, but Siri the way you can I remember the first Siri Which was I think iPhone 4 or 3 or 4? I don't remember which one I was one of that one And I remember and I never used it

because it was repeating myself, repeating myself. Like now, dude, the voice recognition on it is ridiculous. Like it picks up everything. My favorite is on the keyboard, where you do the voice thing. And I was actually talking over it, and then I had a podcast running at the same time. And so my phone was mounted

calm down. I wasn't using it texting and driving, but I'm talking to it and it was picking up everything. And I was like, oh shit, I actually have to turn off my radio because I didn't have to before. You guys know even when you unless you disable it, it's always listening. You guys know that right? Okay, that's fucking it's here's everything. Damn.

So this is what trips me out. Here's another right. Okay. That's fucking it's here's everything damn. Yeah, so I so this is here's what Trips me off right now. Here's what trips me out Which trips me out is I won't look something up. I won't click on anything. I won't do shit I'll just be talking about something and next thing I know on Facebook I got a fucking ad following me about the whatever I was just talking about so they they you can't tell me they They're not doing that. No, no, it's already yeah, it's already proven dude It's already proven that if you're messaging and doing all so that they sell fucking all that shit, bro.

They sell that information. For sure, it's not coincidence at all that when you talk about something on Facebook to somebody else like that, that all of a sudden you're like, that's crazy. I don't carry, you know. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I don't, it doesn't bother me

because what it does though, it makes me aware of my own tendencies that I'm and I've always said this I'm an easy close like do I'm a sucker for sure Like I don't know what it is it most really talented salesman I've ever met her the same way too like I if someone gets me or closes me and if I want something really bad Like I'm easily convinced like I know after the fact that like I have buyers remorse and go like I probably shouldn't have done that. I got all this stuff going on. I have no business spending all this money on this right now. Like what am I doing? But I am a sucker for that.

And so yeah, I mean, and if you and I have to have a 500 or juicer to prove it to. Oh no. I already gave it away. I didn't express over she never gave it away. Yeah, I got the express on she. I got the express on she. Like I just go to the coffee shop Fuck this. Oh, yeah, I know we have coffee on tap too and you guys sometimes buy coffee

Oh, by the way Doug I brought more of those things. Oh runs out. So yeah, yeah, what are you gonna do? Have you guys did we get the no We still have not gotten it could you please text Charming in I did she said she said and I know Sean I listen to show time Sean I'm gonna stop talking about Organifi if you don't get me some of the gold juice. So, Sal, kept it all to himself. It's so good. We want it.

It's so good. I want to try it. What I did get is I got my Ashwanda like dropper that you had me get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How's your gun as gross?

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and more focused buds without the crash. Could the chimera link at MindPumpMedia.com and input the discount code MindPumpACheckOut for 10% off! It's the motherfucking squad! An English Landish! Quiqueau. Our first question is from Lauren Bergman. I'm trying to increase my steps and it's freezing outside. I've started using increase my steps and it's freezing outside. I've started using a treadmill when I need to finish getting in my steps.

I see a ton of people incline walking on the treadmill. Is it more beneficial to do a high incline and hold on to the handles or decrease incline and don't hold on? I picked this question because it seems so simple and obvious, but I actually think it's a question that I've been asked a lot before, and I used to tell clients when I'd see this, like I'd see, I'd tell them to go do 20 minutes of cardio, whatever, and then I'd look over it, and they'd be on the stairmaster, and they'd be hunched over. And just their legs just like a lean, and on it, their forms. And I would tell them, I'd say, listen, if you want, you could slow it down by about half and stand upright and work on your posture at the same time

and you get, not only do you get the extra benefits of working on your posture and your core to hold you upright, but you'll probably end up burning more calories because you're making more of your body have to work at the same time. Do you know why they don't do that? The reason why they don't do that is because it's actually harder to do it right, even you slow down. Yeah, it's actually harder

Right, and because people like the number on the machine. Yeah, it makes it like feel better for some reason Yeah, because yeah, it feeds into that like Accomplishing something like you know doing something super intense, but they're not doing something super intense They're like really honestly like said, making it easier for them. There's also the other camp too that does it because they do the incline trying to get more glute activation, right? So they think they're...

Get a bigger range of motion. Right, so they think they're gonna get this, they're gonna get more butt by doing that. Maybe we should break the news to them. You're not gonna build any muscles on a treadmill. So really as a matter, if you're hitting more glutes or hitting more, you're not gonna build muscle. If you wanna hit your glutes, go more, you're not going to build muscle.

If you want to hit your glutes, go lift weights. The treadmill is for cardiovascular activity to burn calories. It gets your steps in. And that's, you know, it's good that we said that because a lot of people still have the misperception that they're going to do cardio to target an area of the body. Like, oh, I like this side to side ski machine because I need to work on my outer thighs or I want a ton of my arms so I'm going to use the row or when you go in that cardiovascular, you know, when you're doing cardiovascular work, you're not anaerobic, you're not really causing muscle growth, you're just doing, you're building endurance in those

target areas, but you're not really working though, you're not really going to cause visible change in the muscles in the heart. At all, at all. Dude, my favorite, I saw a guy. So you've seen, I mean, you may have seen like a girl do this before, but I've seen a guy where you know the step mill where you do the flared kick back to the ballerina. Dude, I saw a guy do that. I almost died. You saw a dude do that?

Yeah, I saw a dude. Wow. And I worked on them glutes. I had at one time, I was years ago at the Hillsdale before they even moved that club years ago at the Hillsdale before they even moved that club, so the original Hillsdale, so I must have been 18. Well, at home, D-Boh.

Yeah, I must have been 18 years old, and there was a lady, an old lady. So back then, the front desk faced the cardio. So the front desk, and there was the entrance, so people would walk in, so you'd check them in, and they'd walk by you to work out, and the machine, wait area, whatever, go to the locker room, or they could walk in, and they could go go straight left and then there's cardio right there.

Of course, usually they go to the locker room and they come back out. The cardio was in front of us. Back in those days, equipment was in separate rooms. You had your cardio room, your weight room, your machine room. Everything's all in one room nowadays, but that's how it was back then. I'm looking at the cardio and I'm scanning people in and that's why I would hang out a lot of times as a Trainer to book assessments and stuff like that because it's a great way to talk to people and I'm looking in the back and the treadmill's made up the back row

Mm-hmm And the last row of the treadmills was in front of the window so they just have these big windows in front of the cardio to try Of course to try and sell membership so people walk by and look inside the window and see cardio See how it's wonderful cardio equipment. So in that back row, there's this old lady I have a big windows in front of the cardio to try and sell membership so people walk by and look inside the window and see cardio. See how it's a wonderful cardio equipment. So in that back row, there's this old lady, probably, I want to say in her late, maybe late 60s, mid late 60s, and she's on the treadmill and I'm just watching her because it's slow. It's like the middle of the day.

And I could tell she's trying to figure out how to use the treadmill, like she's like hitting buttons and knowing what's going on. She's standing on it. And so I'm watching her because I'm thinking, I'm going to go out how to use the treadmill. Like she's like hitting buttons and knowing what's going on, she's standing on it. And so I'm watching her because I'm thinking, I'm going to go walk over to her and talk to her about personal training. I could just see this. And you know, if you're working on a gym long enough, you could start to see who you, you know, when you have your opportunities.

The deer in the headlight look on cardio equipment or machines is always like a great, that's a great way to talk about training. Yeah, intro. So I'm watching her and I'm thinking, okay, I think I might go over and then, oh, oh, no, it looks like she figured out and the treadmill starts working. But I'm seeing what she's doing. And I see that she's, the treadmill's moving,

but she's hitting the board with her finger like, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. Oh my God. Okay. It's as a condo. Right. And I'm watching her. I'm like, oh shit.

I'm like, she doesn't realize that it takes a second that speed 13 is much Fast, yeah, like power walk. It's that instant right because right now she's at a level half one She's probably hit that thing to 15. It's gonna all start to kick in really quick So I'm watching I'm like what is she hitting that button for and it hasn't fully registered yet? How far away are you? I'm pretty far so I I'm like, from here to where, you know Taylor's office is. You're gonna yell like, Hey, hold on, don't get out of the jubin.

Well, I'm already starting to try and figure it out, and so she's hitting it, hitting it, hitting it, and then it starts speeding up and I'm like, oh shit. So I go around the front desk and I start walking towards her. By this point, the thing is starting to pick up speed. She grabs onto the handles. She's trying to walk with her feet. So now you see her doing all these crazy steps.

So then I'm yelling as I start to walk fast over there, because at this point, I'm relatively new in the gym. I still feel kind of uncomfortable running through the gym yelling. You know, once you get comfortable, like, I'll walk around naked in the gym. Yeah. I don't care, members, whatever. But in the early days, I'm kind of like, you know, you feel kind of awkward. Like you don't wanna yell across.

It's secure about it. So I start walking faster. She's, her steps start speeding up. I can see her hips start to flip, cause she's, there's a no, she's doing. So now I'm like, oh shit. So I start to kind of walk fast. Her feet come out from under her.

The treadmill's still speeding up. Oh no. She doesn't let go. So she's holding on to the handles. Ha ha ha ha. She she's holding onto the handles. She's holding on the handles. Like Superman. And it's pulling her sweats off her.

So it's like, and it's pulling her sweats off. So now I'm yelling, hit the stop button because there's people next to her. And everybody's looking at her like, huh? So I run over there and I hit the stop button But I think When I hit the stop button she either got tired and let go or she thought it's gonna stop well I said it. It's let go on her face. She just let go and if fucking fired her dude into the back

You ever seen someone get fired off of a treadmill? So, I had, yeah. Because those things are strong, dude. The irony that you're telling this story is that I worked Hillsdale after it moved. So this is at the new location. New location. And the treadmills were in the back row where the group X was. Yeah.

Behind it was all the glass. That's right. There. And we used to have this kid that used to come in. He was probably about 12 years old and his mom or his dad would come in with him and they'd go lift weights and then he would do cardio and he had Tourette's.

And so he would run on the treadmill or they lived a cool and you know, he'd be legs would be flopping arms, we'd flop and he'd go in the fuck shit, fuck shit. And then he'd go, fuck ass. Right, people would come and complain all the time and I'd have to explain like he has Tourette's and there's no thought and then people felt bad afterwards and then be like, no big deal.

Well, he did the exact same thing on the treadmill one day. And I remember watching him and seeing him because I always keep an eye on the kick as I was whenever he would come in, it was like clockwork, he'd be here for a little bit. Sooner or later, he would offend somebody. Someone come to me and then I'd explain the story. So in the kick come in, I know.

I'm already watching him, keeping an eye on him, keeping an eye on the people around him. So with that, and I try to be proactive and tell people, so I see him and I see him get on the treadmill and just like you're saying, he grabs on the handles, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

he's pushing the button super fast and going like, oh shit, this kid is not gonna hit. And then you just seem to go for life. He's holding on with dear life and his legs are just running as fast as he possibly can and then he just can't keep up anymore and this hits the hit the ground and then that thing shoots him my fucking boom right do it bounces off the glass it'll fire you off it'll shoot you it's for real

fuck around no like like the lady got thrown off like flew into the window like a like if a big strong man threw her yeah pretty crazy So now that we went off subject. Those injuries are yeah. You know, here's the good thing about cardio or treadmill. Now, if you're gonna do cardio, I know I'm gonna say this in every way. So I'd be like, but if you had to pick a cardio machine, I would pick the treadmill. But here's why? Every step or every time you do a movement is a wrap. Now, it's not a wrap like you would do with resistance training

in the sense that it's not building muscle and strength, but it is reinforcing or strengthening or creating a pattern, a recruitment pattern. So the treadmill is a great opportunity to perfect how you walk. So you can go slow and really focus on the biomechanics of your feet, the way they strike the treadmill,

the way you move your arms, how tall you stand, and you're upright, which is better than being on a bike. That's right. Now, hold forcing that. That's right. And holding onto the handles is really not a good idea because you're gonna reinforce or strengthen a recruitment pattern that involves you holding

on to some handles. And if, look, I'll tell you what, I've worked with lots of special populations, elderly people. And I always tried to prevent my, or to keep my clients from using things like a walker or a cane because once they started using a walker or a cane, I would immediately start to see changes in the recruitment patterns. I would start to see changes in their posture

because they started reinforcing that, this is how I walk now. I have a walker or this is how I walk. I have a cane. You become dependent on it. You become dependent and your body starts to move like that. So I don't think it's a good idea to hold on to the handles the whole time,

just because you're going faster. You know, perfect your form. Like Adam says, take your hands off. Oh, and the irony is the main reason why most people are on the piece of cardio equipment is to burn fat, right? I think most people, right, burn calories and burn fat. You'll actually burn more calories and more fat, not using the handles going faster. So if you're better off walking at a three

or a two and a half speed with good mechanics posture, then you are at a four holding on to the handles. So if I mean no matter what your goal is, right? So I think that that's the big takeaway and I mean the reason why I want to ask to answer that question is I feel like it does seem so obvious maybe for some people, but it's actually a very common question that I've been asked a ton of times and I still to this day See more than half the people in the cardio equipment, doing it like this, hunched over, like crazy, bad posture while I'm doing it, it's like, listen, if you're on there to burn fat,

like, why not work on your posture at the same time and with less effort? It's because, yeah, they're not being present in that movement, they're just getting through it, right, which is what most people do when they get into the gym, like with every exercise, they're trying to find a way to just get through the workout as opposed to doing things with

intention. I used to people talk about it like that. Oh, I do level four on the treadmill. Right. I did level five and incline of seven, like they know their numbers. Right, right. I used to do the the stair master, you know, being the guy with no calves, right? I used to do the stair master really slow.

And every step I used to do calf raise, really slow and every step I do is to do calf raise, posture up, good, and like super slow, super slow, step, I'll tell you what dude, you do that for a fucking five minutes. Oh, five minutes. You'll be burning some calories, your butt's sitting there, hey, well, I'm kinda doing a trigger on my calves

at the same time. Kyle Terrell Fitness. How do you guys define training to failure? I've always followed a perfect form rule, meaning once I break form, that's failure. Would you agree or should I be looking at this a different way? That's how I would define. I like that definition. But that is not how a lot of people define failure. I think a lot of people define lifting to failure as can't move it anymore. I can't move it even with, or you can't even get it like halfway up.

Yeah, even with a relatively shitty form, I can't move it anymore. So you see somebody who's bench pressing and they go to failure where the form breaks down and now they're pushing their hips off the bench and they're cutting their rep short to squeeze out, one or two more. So where people need that gym buddy?

Well, this is a spilt in spotter. Yeah, but this is also why I used to hate gym buddies and spotters because not a lot of people get this. A lot of people think that if I call you over and I want you to spot me, that's because I am trying to take it right to failure, but I don't ever want to fail. I don't want you to intervene at all.

Yeah, I don't want you, well, no, I don't want you to let me stick. Like, I don't want to fail. I don't want you to intervene at all. Yeah, I don't want you, well, no, I don't want you to let me stick, like I don't want to stick. I don't want to stick it, because I know as soon as I stick, what I'm going to overcompensate in other areas. Something to twist. Right, so I want you to, that's a good point. I want you to watch my tempo. So the only workout partners that I ever allowed

to even work out with me understood the way I wanted to be spotted is the same way which I would spot somebody. Dude, you got to go in there. I watch tempo, and I would spot somebody. Did you got to go and watch? I watch Tempo and I'm riding you five reps before you even need it. My fingers are right there because I want to keep your tempo the entire time so you can work on that.

So that is such an important tip right there. We got to go into more detail so people really understand what you're talking about because a lot of times when people spot somebody, they throw in the spot when the person can't lift it anymore. And then at the point it's too late. When it's broke. Yeah, so like if I'm benching and I get halfway up

and someone's watching me struggle and I'm, and I can barely move it and it's inching up and inching up. They won't help me until it starts to go down. Then they'll spot me. The reality is a really good spot is exactly what you're saying Adam, where my tempo is, it should take me Two or three seconds to lift the bar

Don't let it slow down beyond that because once it sticks You know for example using the bench presses in example once my bench press sticks I might have a tendency to twist my body or lift my shoulder right to left to right Yeah, so even though I now because I did that, I was able to get the bar up. I did now a rep that I didn't want to do, which is creating a bad recruitment pattern. That's absolutely brilliant. And think about it, and this is,

I think Tempo is something that's overlooked so much. And it's another variable in your training that you should be utilizing. And if you're training in a one-one max effort today, then that's different, right? So today you're shooting for a max and you're trying to go up and just put, for the most part, most people are lifting five, six,

eight, 10, 15 reps. And I most certainly don't want to fail at eight and you wait till I fail, then you spot me and then you also spot me for three more after that. Like, no. Orch reps. Yeah, those force reps I know mechanically are broken down and the little bit of benefit you get

by pushing the body to that is minimal in comparison to the poor recruitment pattern that you're creating by doing that. So yeah, no, this is a. Failure training creates a little more muscle damage than not going to failure. So if you were to stop like a couple reps short of it, you won't cause as much damage.

It definitely stresses the central nervous system a little more. Now a lot of people would say that's a good thing. A lot of people would say, oh, it's good that it causes more muscle damage and that you hammer the CNS. Apply correctly, it could. I would say judiciously, occasionally.

For the most part, probably not. For the most part, you're better off training a little bit more frequently with less failure. This is just based off of experience and studies now are supporting this as well. Failure training is this. Failure training means that you're always pushing your body to the max. Your max changes depending on how your body feels that particular day, but it's always max effort.

And sometimes max effort is too much. And what I mean by that is it compromises recovery, it may actually cause you to go backwards and may cause your body to prioritize recovery over adaptation. It also adapts you to that level of training just to maintain where you're currently at also.

So now you have to, that's why some of these people struggle with that because they've ramped up their intensity so hard and so high that that's the way they have to train in order to ever look like that because they've adapted their body to that intense and that amount of volume. Yeah, if at all, it's very, very sparingly that it'll be used, but I do use it to then express and stretch out my capacity, right? So if I build up a new standard of maximal effort, now I know that my capacity is greater

so I can build up into that to where that's a comfortable new norm. But that takes, it's a lot more time than people think. It's not something that I'm repeating very often if ever. It wasn't really a big thing in muscle building until Mike Menser popularized it and then Doreen Yates really took it to the next level.

So back in the day, bodybuilders will lift hard. They would just lift hard and heavy. But they didn't say lift to failure. They would just say I just worked out really hard. And bodybuilders sometimes lift to failure and sometimes didn't lift to failure. Famous examples of bodybuilders that did lots of volume, like ridiculous amounts of volume, but didn't lift to failure. People like Serge Nubray, Arnold Schwarzenegger, sometimes would lift to failure, sometimes he wouldn't, Tom Platz, sometimes

would, sometimes wouldn't. You know, these bodybuilders kind of knew that they knew they would add lots of volume. They were in frequency. I know Arnold trained his entire body three times a week But he did a shit ton of volume on top of it his recovery ability was Like frickin' Hercules. It was a ridiculous Then you have Mike Menser who came out with his book heavy duty and Mike Menser and him and his brother Ray Menser were two bodybuilders who had very impressive physics now neither one of them won an Olympia bodybuilders who had very impressive physics. Neither one of them won an Olympia. Arguably Mike Menser is an uncrowned Olympia.

I think in 1980 he competed against Arnold and got really pissed off that he didn't even place, I think at the top three. But nonetheless, he writes this book called Heavy Duty and what he says is, you don't need to do tons of volume because in those days what they glamorized wasn't failure, what they glamorized was volume. How long you were in the gym. So if you were lifting weights and you were trying to build muscle in the 70s, you know, for the most part, you were talking about how many sets you did.

Yeah, how many sets, right? And it was about 20 sets. Everybody was doing 20, 21 sets and then you guys pushing 30 and 40 sets like surgeon and bray. Mike Menser comes out and says, too much volume isn't good, volume creates endurance, we want strength. What we need to do is send the muscle building signal once and then leave it alone.

And he said failure is the best way to do it because you know for sure you sent that muscle building signal because you've hit the wall. He viewed the muscle building signal as a switch on or off. When it's not really that way It's more of a continued it's more of like a one of those light switches words a dimmer where it can be a little louder little less It's not on or off. It's like you send some signal more signal You know or less signal he said it's a switch. He was incorrect about that

But he popularized training to failure one set per body part once a week and that's what he did And that's what he talked and that's what he talked about. And it became popular because you had all these lifters, the generations of lifters who were doing 20, 30 sets per body part, who were not taking antibiotics, who were frying their bodies. All of a sudden, they drastically changed the stimulus, switch over to one set to failure, and then leave their body alone. And boom, they respond. And of course, you're going to respond. It's a big change their body alone. And boom, I'm stronger. They respond.

And of course, you're gonna respond. It's a big change, it's a big switch, right? So it kind of gains the popularity. Arthur Jones, the inventor of Nautilus equipment, did something called the Colorado Experiment where he demonstrated on a body builder, a young KC Viator, how effective it was in the years before and after. And it kind of gained a little bit of steam,

but it didn't get super popular till Dorene 8's became Mr. Olympia. And Doryn Yates hits the stage, I think 1993, I believe, and was just this nobody had ever seen a guy that massive and chiseled. I mean, Lee Haney was big, but Doryn Yates was just a whole new level of bodybuilder, and he trained in this fashion where he would do

five exercises for a body part, but he would only do one set to failure in each one. Way less volume than most bodybuilders. Of course, he's Mr. Olympia, now everybody wants to do what Mr. Olympia is doing. And it became popular again. And since then, it's this whole like lift to failure, lift to failure. Do you lift to failure? Do you not lift to failure? Here's a thing, intensity is a, it's definitely a factor, but it's not the only factor. And I think we, we place too much emphasis on intensity

and we forget about all those other things. And if you max out one of those factors, you take away from some of the other important factors, like frequency and volume. If I'm going balls to the wall on a barbell squats, like have you ever done a real absolute set of failure squats? Have you ever really done that?

Yes, I have. So, it's, here's the thing, like if you're an experienced lifter, I implore you to try this, not because it's gonna grow your legs, but just because you don't know what failure is until you've done failure in squats. There are times when I've done failure sets of squats, and I thought I hit failure

a good 10 reps before I actually hit failure. That's how it feels with squats. You're like, okay, that's the last one, and then you tell yourself, let me try one more. Oh my God, I can barely move, let me try one more. And it's like, you actually do 10 more than you think you could.

And your body just shuts down. And you're fucked, you're fucked, you're done. You're done with your whole deal. Yeah, there's nothing you can do. So there goes your volume, I'm not doing anything else for legs, and if I try to, it's a waste, frequency, not going to do it because I'm going to hammer my body. So I've taken two other important factors and throw them

in the garbage and just focused on intensity. And that's why failure, why we tell people, probably not a good idea to train to failure most of the time. And it through experience, through training people we've observed, this is true. And if you're somebody that lifts the failure all the time, cut your reps, or excuse me, cut your sets short, do two reps short of failure, and watch your body respond right now. And that goes for even this person who I think has got a great mentality

with which is as soon as form breaks on, short of two of that even. Right. Because you're still fatiguing the muscle by taking it all the way to where form breaks down. Like that would be going to failure right there. So you want to actually stop it every now and then one to two reps short of that and pay attention to your training. Like I think that'll make a big difference for a lot of people.

Next question is from David Sores Rex. How would you balance training while trying to work full-time and being a supportive husband, new dad with a baby that is messing with both parents' sleep schedule? Well, this is for you guys, man. You gotta weather the storm. Your workouts priority, forget everything else. Absolutely. Baby will survive.

You're a maid. You know what though, I would like to ask you guys this because I feel like there is some truth to this though. Don't you feel like you're a better dad, you get more stuff done, you're more productive at work when you do, when you're training and when you're not, you're kind of falling short on those areas. You cannot. It's a balanced act. You can't pour from an empty cup.

So if you're tired, stressed out, angry, anxious, unhealthy, overweight, you're not going to be as effective as a dad, as a partner, um, as a husband, you know, as the whatever at work, you're not going to be as effective as a dad, as a partner, as a husband, you know, as the whatever. At work, you're not going to be as good at those things because you just don't feel good. So there's that. So exercise will actually give you more time with your baby, more quality time with your wife and those types of things. Yeah, it is going to be compromised. So being a new dad right and having that new kind of a new it's a new high priority. It's a new variable in the mix, right? So, and it's not just you, it's also your wife or partner or whoever that you have to look out for

because the signs are there that you really want to pay attention to, the overstressed, just being able to provide an outlet for them as well. So like you both need that. You both need something else to get outside of the environment, come back fresh, get bring new energy, kind of rotate that. Me and my wife actually got pretty good about that

as far as like scene signs of like, okay, you need some time, you need to go spend some time of the gym, go on a hike, do whatever you gotta do, you know, you do whatever you gotta do. And all of a sudden, you guys have like a system in place where like, you know, she goes one week that she's responsible for getting up with the kids or doing some of that. I mean, do you guys have, have you guys, it's just, it's a constant like in an oven flow. There's not like a schedule. There's not like, it's just that I can tell pay attention to signs and

signals and, you know, really be responsive and communicate with your partner. And that's, I mean, that was the best thing for me because it was brutal. I mean, there's times where, especially when it's an infant, it's like, you're on command. Like, there's the crying and there's the sleepless nights, all these different things that happen. And it's like, you just feel like,

I'm not gonna be productive in my workout today. So, therefore, I'm gonna just gonna do something like mobility wise or at least get some movement involved and then come back and then try and alleviate my wife too. So she can go do something else and just clear her mind. Yeah, I've trained quite a few people who would hire me before they got pregnant and then they'd be pregnant during the workout and then afterwards. And so I could see the morphing of how much time

they can spend working out. And what I found is you can realistically, a lot of people can do two days a week in the gym when you have all the stuff going on. So what I would recommend to people typically was to full-bodied workouts a week in the gym, to make them hard, make them heavy, have a good time, if you're really tired of whatever,

of course, reduce the intensity, but two full-bodied workouts in the gym, and then trigger sessions you can do anywhere. And that's what I used to recommend to people, like when you have your baby with you and you're holding your baby, you could do trigger sessions, you could do trigger sessions with your baby, you could, you know, you could do all these days. could do trigger sessions with your baby. You could do all these...

I take it outside, do all kinds of stuff. Do all the stuff with the kid and then you're set now. Are you going to be able to train for an event? No. Someone's going to have to give. If you're not going to be a bodybuilder or a bikini competitor, you're not going to be able to do super high levels of performance when you're trying to also be engaged with, you know, your baby and your spouse, right?

You know, just not going to happen. But two days a week in the gym with trigger sessions on your off days, totally doable because again, the trigger sessions are a life saver. Yeah, especially for that type of a scenario because you just pick up whenever. Right. You'll get an opportunity, a 10 minute little window. Right. Get some of your bands in the nursery and you should, man, be doing some of your band-ics.

Just work on volume. My sister used the baby as a weight. So she would hold her baby and she would do standing squats, which by the way, babies love, if you hold the baby in your hands and you do squats with them, they fall asleep. It's like the best rocking method ever. She would do walking lunges or she would lay on her back and she'd hold the baby at arms length and press it up and bring them down

Like a baby kiss and yeah, like I put on my legs and then like do some leg lifts and stuff. We should make a guide You know it's exercise Baby I almost did it for boot camps. I think we just need a baby I think there's a company called Striders or which is mothers with strollers or some of that and there's a whole boot camp there's boot camps with moms with their kids and strollers and shit we could but we could put dug in little jammies and we just from that gap talking about trigger session so you just remind me something that I don't think we do an announced on the show in a very long time like if you guys have a we the website's been revamped at mind pump media dot com and and we saw a lot of bands,

and we don't talk about them at all. A lot of people don't know that we have, and most of the programs have what are called trigger sessions in them where you actually would use bands at home or in a hotel or on the go or whatever multiple times a day. And even if you're not following a maps program and you want bands, I mean, they're on the website. It can be called maps anywhere. It's perfect, too,, they're on the website. It comes through maps anywhere. Perfect, too, as well as far as a structured workout you can do at your house.

That would be really helpful. And they're quality bands. No, these bands are bad ass. I mean, the best ones I've ever came across and it comes with the door hinge thing so you could stick it in any door and it comes with the handles. It's a nice little kit of the three major strength differences between them. Next question is from Tyler Erion. You guys have talked about target heart rates being outdated, but as a current kinesiology

student and trainer and group fit instructor at a university, they are still teaching us about working out in heart rate zones or at percentages of maximum heart rates. Can you guys go into detail on your opinions about using heart rate as a means to measure intensity and effectiveness of a workout? I think using it as a tool for intensity is okay. It's just one metric. It is, but I think if I'm trying to gauge

how hard am I pushing this person and I'm measuring their heart rate, I think it's actually a very valid tool to do that. Now, I don't think it's a very valid tool for effectiveness of a workout, but I do think it is a good measure for intensity. If I put Susie on the treadmill and her target heart rate, whatever, we use the Carvonium theory, right?

And we get her target heart rate. What was that by the way? It was a 220 minus 3A time, that's 0.65 at that age. That's the age. Yeah. So. Carvonian.

Right. And so, you know, so let's say we get Suzy's target heart rate. And it's, it's 135 to 145. Let's just say for arguments sake. And I know that. And today I put her on the treadmill. And she's, she's pushing her heart rate at 150. Like, I, I'm not, I'm not hung up on, oh my God, she's above her heart rate. 150. Like I'm not hung up on, oh my God,

she's above her heart rate. I need to bring her back down as much as I am. Like, oh, this is what she looks like when she's working at 150. So I know when I get on the treadmill next week, is she at 150 again or is she at 120? That's a good way to kind of look at it as far as like looking at the metrics

and seeing what, you know, the state of her conditioning or how she's breathing and, you know, the state of her conditioning or how she's breathing and, you know, all these different factors. If you look at that and you compare it with the actual like data and the metrics of it, otherwise for me, it's always just like looking at the person and seeing signs of fatigue and signs of breathing really hard and, you know, cold, clammy sweat, you know, like the eyes, like all these different factors, I think are so much more important as a coach to look for

while people are going through their conditions. Well, Turgut Heart Rate is driving your car at the perfect RPMs, that's all it is. And then what I mean by that is when you are driving the average vehicle staying between 22 and 2500 RPMs is the most ideal place for you to conserve your gas, right? That's kind of how cardio is when you're in the target

heart rate zone. It's the most efficient place for us to burn fat at, but the faster you go, the more calories you're gonna burn. So it doesn't matter. So it doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? So it totally takes that whole idea of like training just in the maximum heart rate, Like, no, if you do.

I could see a benefit for training high level athletes. That's the only time I'd ever use it. Yes, okay, so I use this competing. Yeah. When I was getting ready for stage, I used heart rate tools and things like that. A lot, I don't use it right now because it doesn't matter to me very much.

But when I am so dialed that I'm measuring and weighing every bit of food that goes in and I know to the calorie where I'm at how below maintenance I am. I know if I'm running below maintenance and my body's already catabolic, I'm not really, I don't wanna push beyond my target heart rate.

So there, to me it has some value, right? I'm 5% body fat, so I don't have very much stored energy as it is. I'm already in a caloric deficit so my body's already catabolic. I don't need to push beyond my target heart rate. In fact, if I want to stay in my target heart rate to maximize the amount of fat I'm burning without flirting with anything else, it has some weight. But even going beyond that, I'm talking about like athletes where I'm trying to improve their VO2 max, where I'm trying to improve their ability to,

yeah, their ability to hit max heart rate and to come back down and go back up. But the average client, like, I don't give a shit about your heart rate, I'll ask you how you feel. Like if you're in a treadmill or I'm training you and I see your heart rate is high, is low, and I ask you like, how do you feel? And you're like, oh my god, it's so hard.

I'm not gonna be like, no, your heart rate slow, you fucking lying, I'm gonna put, I'm gonna listen to what you say, you know, I'm you feel? You're like, oh my God, it's so hard. I can be, I'm not going to be like, no, your heart rate slowed. You fucking lying. I'm going to put, I'm going to listen to what you say. You know, I'm going to use your feedback. And so it's something I, I rarely ever use heart rate unless I'm monitoring someone's heart rate because they're on a beta blocker or because there's something having to do with their heart that I have to be careful with, or if they're an elite endurance competitive athlete where we are trying to, you know, depending on the sport, like if I'm training a boxer, I want to be able to get them up to Max Heart Rate,

but I want them to be able to bring their heart rate back down very quickly while the rest thing in between rounds. And there's particular types of training that you can do for that, otherwise, totally, and then, you know, here's why you do it at your university. I'll tell you why, You're teaching a class. Right. And then want to give you something, uh, the tangible.

That's it. The problem with the science though is they don't take it, they're in the reason why we knock on it, is because it doesn't take an account all the variables. Yep. So because Suzy, uh, who ate two hours before she decides to do target heart rate cardio, is completely different than Suzy, who is fasted, and is completely different than Susie who is fasted and is completely different than Susie who is over consumed a thousand calories. You almost got an acr accident.

Right. Susie who actually- You should drink a cup of coffee. Who has a two super stressed out from earlier that day and then she gets on his side to do cardio. So Susie, the same fucking person with the same goals is going to be affected differently, all three different ways. So there's too many, so the science that they hang on to at these universities still that

drives me crazy that we, they still are teaching trainers, this or hanging on to it that much to where it's something they coached to. It's like, I think you should know it. I think you should understand it. I think there's some merit to it, but to attach yourself to it or to get hung up on it, like we did. I remember it was a selling point for us. Like, yeah, I used to go around scaring everybody that if you didn't know your target heart rate zone, then you're missing out on the best way.

It just brings everything back to a clinical controlled setting, which doesn't really translate to real life. Right. But it's great because you could sort of keep all the variables and you can understand like what's going on and then like provide all the data and like keep it all organized, but that's not life. So that's what's so tough, because like they can write a book about it

and like have it all like neat and tight. And this is if this, then that, you know, and it like actually like happens like that, but I haven't found that to be the case. Speaking of heart rates, I remember when I first became a dad, remember when they do the ultrasound, and then you're listening to the heart, baby's heart.

Remember how, did it freak you out how fast it was? Yeah. Yeah, because the baby's heart. So, it's like, oh, shit, what's going on? It's a tripping. Ah! No, no, no, no, no, it's just the, so I was looking to the cell while we were talking.

The Miguel Endurian, a Spanish cyclist and five time tour de France winner had a resting heart rate of 28 beats per minute. Yeah, that's lower than even Lance Armstrong. They adapt. So, yeah, it's the thing. 28 beats per minute. That's crazy.

That is insane. Yeah, that is. The slowest. So efficient at, you know, cardiovascular. Well, I've never heard anybody lower than Lance until that right. What was Lance? Lance was 30, 35 or 39. He was in the 30s, I know that,

which I thought was crazy. I don't crazy. And you're okay, so go back to you guys. I think the best I've ever seen is in the low 50s. I don't think I've seen even before. Personally? Yeah, personally. I don't even think I've had 40s.

And I've trained tons of athletes. I think I might have seen the 50s. I don't know. I've seen that. I've seen 50s and maybe I've trained some maybe a cyclist. Collegiate level athletes, endurance athletes that I've seen that. I've seen 50s and maybe I've trained some cyclists to collegial level athletes that endurance athletes that I've seen that have that low but I've never seen lower than 50 something dude. Well, check this out. That's crazy. Check this out. So a blue whale, you've

ever seen the size of a heart of a blue whale? Anything you'll walk through it right? Eight to eight to ten beats per minute. So it's like And a the fastest one is in a true skin shrew 1,511 beat per minute What the fuck was it? Six blow in sex like a bug or something. Yeah, no, it's a shrew because a hummingbird is 1260 Yeah, beat per minute. What is a sh shoe look like? It's like a little rodent. Say a little root. Yeah, my little mouse will run it.

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