Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 666: Stevia vs. Other Non-Calorie Sweeteners, Avoiding a Slow Metabolism, Athletics and Health & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this hot and sweaty episode. Oh, coming in hot. Of Mind Pump, Adam Justin and myself do our typical 26-minute intro in this episode. We start off with Adam's music goals for 2018. We, we, we, we start a band or something.

Starting point is 00:00:30 Maybe we'll see. We also, we also listen to find out. We also talk about Adam's pickup basketball game and his lack of cardio. Not heart. He's got plenty of heart. It's surprising. It's the cardio.

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Starting point is 00:01:46 The first question was, do we believe that sports and physical activities build character and do they also build characters? Yes and yes. Yes. Next question was, is it possible to be an athlete and also be truly healthy? A little controversy here. Next question was, what does our take on stevia? Stevia is a calorie free or low calorie sweetener

Starting point is 00:02:11 that a lot of manufacturers are using to replace the artificial sweeteners aspartame and sucralose. I'm on that green coqueo. Do we think it's a good alternative? What do we think of that particular ingredient? And finally, can your body get adapted to a certain number of steps every single day and then start to burn less calories when you do those steps? Find out in this episode.

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Starting point is 00:05:10 Our little guy get into... Baby Drew. Spin tables and so that didn't get as popular until after I was at a high school. And so that. Turn tables? Yeah, turn tables and mixing your own music and DJing. My friend had the techniques. It's like everybody has it now. Like everybody does.

Starting point is 00:05:28 Really? Oh yeah. What are they scratching? There's no one I haven't like. Yeah, the devil team anymore. Well, what it is is now, it's easy, right? It's super accessible. You can get some really cool tech shit

Starting point is 00:05:37 that all you need is, it's all digital, right? So you can have the two tracks playing digitally and you're doing this with your fingers, which are not really scratching the records. It's so- Oh, it's cheating. It is, but it's allowed almost anyone in to get in the market. And I wish, because I think that's cool, and I'm into music.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Maybe we should buy a pair here. Speaking of this. Speaking of this. It'll be like the tobacco pipes we bought whenever used. Dude, yeah. Let's invest in something else. I like this one. I remember I was telling you guys when we were driving the other day,

Starting point is 00:06:02 like I'm so fascinated with Spotify right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude, these'm so fascinated with Spotify right now. Yeah. Oh yeah. Dude, these guys are fucking doing things, bro. Yeah. So I feel like an old man saying- Yeah, they're making moves. I feel like an old man saying this

Starting point is 00:06:12 because I remember, so this is my, I'm gonna share my 2018 like goals with everybody here in 2017. Like last year was the Read the Book thing and I'll maintain all the things that were important to me from last year, but to add on to that basketball snowboarding and then listening to music. And why that's a goal for me is these were all things that were a big part of my youth

Starting point is 00:06:38 and things that I have found that when I'm in that place, I'm in a really good place, I'm like really happy, I'm very present, and it provides a lot of joy and balance in my life. So I'm gonna get back to incorporating more of it. So part of that whole process was getting back on my Spotify and getting back to listening music. Last night, I took off all by myself for like an hour and a half walk and just listened to music

Starting point is 00:07:02 and was reading lyrics. So when I was a kid and when I was heavy in the music, I would buy the CDs, I would open them up, put them on my head and I would read, I'll read out all the songs, all the lyrics and like the history, I was way into all that stuff. Do people even do that anymore? Bro, you can look up to this whole website devoted to lyrics of songs. So fuck that, Spotify, when you have the upgraded thing does that.

Starting point is 00:07:27 Oh really? So while you're listening, I'll show you guys when we get off air. When you're listening, it not only is it give you the lyrics, but it even would tell you, it tells you the history behind the song and how it was created. Oh, this was a beef between this person, this person, that they he wrote that retaliation this. That's another way to sell the song to you. Oh, it's brilliant. It's brilliant marketing. And it's, you could just totally make something up. Because in reality, it's brilliant. It's brilliant marketing It's and it's you can just totally make something up because in reality, it's like I got high

Starting point is 00:07:47 I made up a song. Yeah, this was a broke up with my girlfriend. He's eating a bunch of Doritos It's just really smart and I know who I know the demographic that it's catering to because I was that kid I was the kid that would eat that up. I would I'm in so nice now you could just sit there on your phone Go to the song you want to find out all about it Listen to you're gonna be on Spotify say right? Yeah, I was always really into the artwork I just loved album covers and jackets and like what cuz it was funny cuz you'd see like bands like tool or bands Like primus, you know, they put a lot of like that weird art that they attached themselves to and it like was so Distinctive like to that band, you know, they kind of kept that I love

Starting point is 00:08:25 Theme going. It was a cool thing. I love that. I love heavy metal shirts Too heavy metal favorite. They're so grotesque and terrible. Yeah, yeah I didn't really realize it when I was gonna be cool. Yeah, but yeah Now that I'm not that I'm a parent. I'm like oh my god Intrails fuck really good. Are they drawing on these t-shirts. But they're so cool, right? There's nothing like an old, an old heavy metal concert t-shirt that you've had for 15 years.

Starting point is 00:08:51 Dude, you know what? There's a lot of money, dude. They're the best, dude, you have. I have concert teas. If you have them in good condition, because they're limited edition many times, right? I know, that's what sucks though, because the best ones, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:02 are that tour that are worn and faded into my favor. You know, it's got a hole in it. I've never been to a metal concert ever Never did yeah, well, I mean, I don't know if it constitutes that but anyway, I think it does You should punch yourself in the dick actually. I did earlier. How are you how are you this? Have you ever been in a moshp. You're such a big rock fan. No, I've been in a mosh pit. What is it, bro? You're not a concert guy? You're not a concert guy? No, I'm not.

Starting point is 00:09:29 I'm not a big concert guy. At least I don't think I am. I don't know. I love that you're open mind enough to say, to actually say, maybe I don't think I am, because it's just like you're traveling, just like your thing of going on your life. You're camping and kayaking and getting lost.

Starting point is 00:09:42 Well, let's go, dude. Take me to a fucking metal. Okay, got you. You just said that got you on record Yeah, we're taking you. Yeah, I gave it where who? I'll go see I got I got to get this rage still do they still tore if they know but if they did we're absolutely that's a given Well, I want to go to some as you just miss tool at that would have been amazing That's cool. Yeah, no, I'll take you to something like that. We'll go for sure I mean, you know, it's coming up, but it's not

Starting point is 00:10:08 I listen to some ice though ice to go to primus concerts every New Year's Eve That was like why are they so cool like explain it to me because it's the experience of it man Like you actually like watch people play musical instruments and interact that the it's just like when you go to see a movie You know at the theater and like everybody You have this this energy behind it that everybody gets Involves this group flow thing. What's the crowd like it depends it depends on the vibe that night it changes, you know Like sometimes there's an angry crowd, you know, and like some bands get roasted for it and then like the main band comes on Everybody explodes and goes crazy and apeshit, or sometimes they suck,

Starting point is 00:10:46 and you get boo, you know, you get people angry, it's crazy. Well, most people that go to concerts are pretty fanatical or know the band really, really well. So the whole arena, a lot of time, is singing the song, and it sounds like this. I mean, I've been to concerts, but not a metal concert. I've been to a few concerts, but nothing made me. So I like metal better than I like hip hop, and I love hip hop music, but I fucking, I've been to concerts but not a metal. I've been to a few concerts, but nothing made me so I like I like metal better than I like hip hop like and I love hip hop music, but I fucking yeah, I saw Lady Gaga

Starting point is 00:11:10 I agree It's the thing is I like hip hop and I like you know, it just it doesn't translate as well like in concert because you like on a mic and like this Well a lot of a lot of hip hop today is got the synthesizer So it's not really it's just the budget it's produced right? It's just the butt that it's produced, right? It's produced up and heavy metal. There's instruments. Drums, yeah, instruments. And when you see that live and you watch somebody play that instrument live, it's different

Starting point is 00:11:35 than actually hearing it come through. So I definitely think there's a big difference between watching hip hop and rock live and versus putting, because I'd rather have hip hop in my headphones. I like it in my headphones, because I can hear it crispy on the wise. Like'd rather have hip hop in my headphones. Yeah, I like it in my headphones because I can hear crazy wise like yeah hip hop wins on that right so I can pick up the lyrics live but rock yeah man listen I'd love to see like rush are they still do they tour still I think they still do some tours here in there 95 dude let's you know get a little more updated all right what okay my bad well you know what so part of this, this whole line's done,

Starting point is 00:12:06 yeah. Getting back under, listen to music is just so I can stay, because it's very naive of us to think that there's not music that's new and up and coming right now that each of us wouldn't love to listen to. It all sucks. Where'd you get right? That's so old man, that's such an old man thing

Starting point is 00:12:22 to say some shit like they're like, music today is terrible. Like you just sound old when you say that. What is know it's funny like I so and I was kind of going along the same the same road as you as far as getting back into music and like I used to go to like the warp tour and stuff and like I used to like to go to the tours between or like festivals and stuff because then you actually find out like bands that you've never been exposed to otherwise and like especially like the warp tours like it's now it's more of like an eclectic kind of gathering of different. It used to be just punk music but now it's like metal rock you know

Starting point is 00:12:55 let's do that. Well that's why so when you were younger you would you would be consuming so much you consumed a lot of garbage but then you pick up on a lot of things that not a lot of people are picking up on because you're on the cutting edge and so what I do is I keep you know a handful of garbage, but then you pick up on a lot of things that not a lot of people are picking up on because you're on the cutting edge And so what I do is I keep you know a handful of 20 to 25 year olds close to me. Yeah Free-be old man Blood boys like that's called blood boys because I do I I appreciate I appreciate music and I love knowing what's what's new? What's hot? What's up?

Starting point is 00:13:22 Yeah, so I have I have a couple cousins I have some nephews and stuff that are in the early 20s that were just like me, that fucking love music, listen to it before it even gets released. So they know like, oh, this is awesome, this is dropping. And so that's part of my secret weapon because what I found was, if the people that do that, because I was like this, it consumes a good piece of my life,

Starting point is 00:13:43 it's a nice piece of the pie. It takes time. Yeah, it takes time. Yeah, room for it back then, because you fill it with a good piece of my life. It's a nice piece of the pie. It takes time. Yeah, it takes time. Yeah, a room for it back then, because you can fill it with all those other life. Right. Other things that take you in a pie are a priority, right? Two are responsible.

Starting point is 00:13:52 But there's something to take from that too, right? So, business, making money, reading books, growing, all that stuff super important has become more of a priority than me listening music. But, going back and revisiting some of these things that I love and I'm passionate about, I've found that, you know what, there's a part of me that's kind of missing that because I've become so, I'm no different now, I'm just more consumed with this and so try.

Starting point is 00:14:15 And there's a value to it. Right. Right. I mean, we were playing ball the other day, Katrina and I. So great. I can't wait to hear the story by the way. What were we revisiting? I want to hear about story by the way. What were we revisited? I want to hear about your basketball. Yeah, I'm playing a while. Yeah, yeah I haven't played in a long time. Good for you. You know what? I actually was I was happy with myself

Starting point is 00:14:33 I told Katrina I didn't have high expectations. I know I shot a percentage so okay now That's what I was impressed with you know I only played I only I played two different days this last week And I and I won game. That's it, I'm smarter than you are, like to throw into three games, I know I'm not conditioned for that right now. So I got bullied into that. My shot, my rebounding, my blocking, all that stuff was like, it was like riding a bike for me,

Starting point is 00:14:57 I didn't miss a beat, and that's what actually got me excited because I was like, oh my God, that flow state right away, man, as soon as I get touch a ball again, and it's like, like ride a bike for me. So that part was cool, but cardiovascular wise, very humbling and eye opening for myself. Because I know, and you know what, it was like a slap in the face because we talk so much shit

Starting point is 00:15:18 about cardio on this show that I feel like I've identified with that message so much to try and get to people to understand like you don't have to run all the time. Then now I fucking suck at it so bad. Well, you need it for endurance, if you want endurance, dude. Right, you gotta do it. Right, so you know, so I actually went for a run the other day too. Like, you know, you went for a run.

Starting point is 00:15:34 I went for a run. Oh my god, dude, I saw it happen. Someone's gonna see you and be like, I know. I know, that's it. And I'm thinking that. But you're not doing it for fat loss. No, I'm doing it in play basketball.

Starting point is 00:15:43 I wanna play ball hard. Yeah, I wanna play ball. I'm on a snowboard, I wanna do these things. So No, I'm doing it to play basketball. I want to play ball hard. Yeah, I want to play ball on a snowboard. I want to do these things. So anyways, we played my favorite part about playing with it. So it's like a pickup game somewhere? Yeah, I think so just random game. Yeah, right. The random gyms, you go to 24-hour fitness,

Starting point is 00:15:54 there's always games that are running. You show up and then you're on the next, you know, if you're the next to line to get in the court, right? So now what I love to do, and this is actually how Katrina and I met over seven years ago, because those that don't know or haven't heard me say on the show before, she's a division one collegiate level athlete.

Starting point is 00:16:09 So she played basketball all four years in college. She was all defense every year like so she's fucking really good. And so when we go to the courts, it's always great because you know, there's not a lot of girls out there playing the pickup games, you know, pickup games can be a little rough and it's, you know, you don't see a lot of chicks at the, at the 24-hour fitness playing ball with all the guys. Well, of course she does, you know. So her and I are waiting to, to play the next game and they're like, Hey, you guys want to play? Yeah, we'll play. We'll, I look at her, you want to run on games? Yeah, let's

Starting point is 00:16:38 run on game. So we run one game and then right when you first start, everybody's kind of like the other guys are matching you up, like, okay, you take him, you take her and I always know there's always like I always get this little shit grand on my face When I see because you could see who the kid on that team who's the most unathletic, you know He's the extra. He's the fifth guy that like shouldn't be out there never played organized Well kind of late right and so what do they do automatically pair him against Katrina right? He says like you go like a true and I love when happens because I'm like, oh, this is going to be great Wait till they realize that she's better than her Most of their whole team, but you less do put her on the worst guy and then like halfway through they're having to stop

Starting point is 00:17:15 Holy cuz she's she got three just schooling on it, dude. She had three She stole the ball three times from him. She blocked him like and don and dude, humbling with a chick fucking swat your shit dude. When you go up for a layup and a chick fucking into it, the hoop and fucking swat your shit dude. Okay. You're dick just crawling up inside of you dude. Yeah. Feel like a little bitch.

Starting point is 00:17:36 I've been to go shoot hoops. You know, it's like work on my skin. And then all your buddies are like, Oh shit bro, she just schooled you. So I then they end up switching over, putting a better person on our stuff. So yeah, we wouldn't play Rang Game N1, of course. And, you know, so I love, were you hurting the next day?

Starting point is 00:17:53 You know what? The arches of my feet more than anything else. Your feet require a lot of strength to do that shit. Yeah, forgot. And that's one of the first things I noticed. I almost rolled my ankles just because of like the explosiveness of the jumping and all that. My almost rolled my ankle just because of the explosiveness of the jumping and all that.

Starting point is 00:18:07 And I landed on it and I could just feel my foot gripping for dear life. And then later on those muscles were just not feeling it. Any cut I made after that, it was like, oh, I definitely, I am in the worst cardiovascular shape I've ever been in my life. No doubt. 100%.

Starting point is 00:18:25 And to me, this was the, for sure, it confirmed it. You know, I could have speculated that because I haven't been doing anything like that. But because I've played ball for so long and consistently in my life, to see how I felt, like, this is no exaggeration. You know, we were really, like, her and I, when we went down there to shoot, we're like, you know, we don't want to play, we know we're not in shape to play, we got to get in shape to play.

Starting point is 00:18:48 But of course, you know, we're all competitors and we're like, ah, fuck, I want to play, let's play a game, you know, let's play a game. The first fucking up and down one time, the rest of the time I was like fucking walking. I could not believe it. And never in my life, even when I'm the most decondition after a summer

Starting point is 00:19:02 of not exercising eating like shit and going back to playing ball, I could at least mentally push through and keep myself running and going. I could not. Dude, it was that. I was like, and I knew that going and trying to moderate the energy and the amount of effort I was putting in somewhat and then I stole the ball and went for that like full court layup and I'm like, yeah. And then I fucked myself up the whole rest of the day right from that one play. Right. So team no cardio over here.

Starting point is 00:19:32 Oh, yeah. We'll be doing some cardio. It's not from the profit of the good news is it comes back cardio. 10 is to come out. Oh, dude. I did two days in a row, took a couple days off and then played again, but already the difference on way better on day three. I was in your movement, Phil, though. I felt like my movement was on point. So here's the thing that was really cool. So my buddy, him and I are texting

Starting point is 00:19:51 who I used to play ball with all the way until I was 30 with him, like, rec leagues and stuff. I sent him a message, I said, hey, bro, I'm back to playing ball. He's like, oh, God, dude, you crazy. He's like, he says, my knees hurt just hearing you say that. And I was like, you know what, the irony is, I said, my knees, my ankles, my joints feel better now than they did five, six years ago when I was playing with you, because I've addressed mobility issue

Starting point is 00:20:15 and so much. I'm like lighter and more organized. My movement patterns, everything, my like going into the hoop was fluid and smooth. It's just, yeah, I was just dog tired. So I'm not fluid yet. And I know I'm missing a step. And like I definitely feel that missing. But the normal like, normally right away after I played a game, my IT would bother me that my hips would, that my low back, like none of that.

Starting point is 00:20:39 Like I felt really, really good. And so that was really exciting for me. This is part of again, 2018 for me, I'm definitely not focused on aesthetics whatsoever right now. I'm 100% focused on these other aspects of my life that involve health and fitness for me. So hopefully that doesn't bum out like all the bodybuilding fans that I have

Starting point is 00:21:03 that love to see me change my physique. But I'm sure knowing me, like I'll be on that kick for a while and then I'll miss being the buff guy walking around. It's fun, man. It's fun to take your body through all these different things. I think everybody should, man. I really believe that this is, this is, is ideal for everybody at one point to move in and out of these different modalities and ways of training. They all have their different benefits and carries, and they all have their detriment when you stay in one for too long. So, think about it.

Starting point is 00:21:27 If you get to the point where you're just enjoying what you're doing, never stop. Yeah. You never stop, right? So, you're always moving, you're always doing something. You're just changing what that is. Right. And that's, I think awesome.

Starting point is 00:21:38 I think that's great. It gives you good, well-rounded progress with your body. You know, in your smart, you're not an idiot, so you're not gonna go hurt yourself. Yeah, no, at least not try to. Easing my way in for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, old school me just less than five, six years ago, you know, I could get on a court

Starting point is 00:21:55 and run back three to five games, no problem. And right now I'm not even in that condition. So, I'm not in the out, I don't think I'll ever pick up basketball. I've gone 38 years of my life with that. I'm going to eat a lot of it. You know, I do miss grappling. I do miss grappling.

Starting point is 00:22:10 At some point, I will go back to doing that. I could see, you know what? And I would love to see you do that because I feel like the same experience that I'm experiencing right now, you will experience with grappling because you had such a passion for it. You were really good at it.

Starting point is 00:22:24 You moved all the way up to what you purple bell is what you're up to so you've put some hours in and I bet you that and and this was before Patterns are there. Well, and then and then we my knowledge getting started man my knowledge and again No, that's the heart. That's what I'm going through right now Dude, here's the thing. You know, there's nothing more frustrating than then doing something that I know I'm really good at and not being good I just yeah, bro then doing something that I know I'm really good at and not being good. It just really hurts. The thing about training Jiu-Jitsu and all the time is just everything hurts all the time, no matter what. I do it for six years and I still was like,

Starting point is 00:22:53 oh, this is twisted, that's tweaked, that's just one of those constant things. But it'd be interesting to hear now that you've addressed and done more mobility and the fact that we have a different outlook on flow. And so I think that- I just gotta go easier. That's such, yeah, and that's how a different outlook on flow. And so I think that- I just gotta go easier.

Starting point is 00:23:06 That's such, yeah, and that's how I'm playing right now. I'm experiencing the benefits of getting into flow state and then what I'm getting from that, without having to push, be at an elite level, I'm not signing up for some fucking team right now, I'm just picking up some ball, playing slower, not trying to get crazy right now, but really, really enjoying some of the benefits

Starting point is 00:23:25 that I'm getting from that. You know, my son's playing basketball, I told you guys that he's got a game actually tonight. So I'm gonna go watch a play. Oh, he did. They won their first game. Yeah, it's good. His team won their first game.

Starting point is 00:23:35 He had, he did. You know, he's trying, he's trying really hard. He's definitely not the best kid on the team. He's not the worst, but he goes out there and he tries, which I really appreciate. And I've given him a couple stretches to do because he's super tight in his hamstrings. And he's been doing them. I mean, it's really, it's really cool. Well, coaches at that level love that, man. I mean, if you're the kid, I was that kid. I was the kid. I was not

Starting point is 00:23:56 the most athletic talented kid growing up. I was just hungry to get better. But I've fucking outworked most everybody for sure. And I mean, then you get better. You know, you get better when you do that. And coaches love you for that because they always want that guy on their team that they can use in his example of like listen if you actually fucking put some effort into it worked hard like this shit but over here. That's great when you actually see things pay off too and like same thing like my son played Sunday and it was like I actually like spent time like a couple days before that really like just going over

Starting point is 00:24:25 like the fundamentals and you know dribbling passing all the stuff and like shooting in the game because like he's not necessarily like the best player in the team either and like doesn't really understand the sport yet. I mean he's only like seven. So for him to like get the ball turned I'm like shoot and he shoots and he makes it and then like this happened a couple of times. He made like three in the game and it was like a really short game. But like I was just like blown away because you know,

Starting point is 00:24:52 soccer, I didn't see any effort or anything in that direction. This is one of them. It's like, yeah, but it's still. It's like finally for me to see like something kind of like translate and pay off. Like that was great. I'm trying to remember how old I was or what was that pivotal moment where I went from just like kind of fucking around playing sports to like really like trying. Yeah, like really trying.

Starting point is 00:25:15 And for me, I think it was, I mean, I remember in soccer, I think it was like the first time I scored a goal or some of that, like you felt it. Yeah, when you feel that excitement of what it's like to do that and like like you see that you can do that, like, oh shit, and that. Oh, he got pumped. Like he was like, like confident all of a sudden. Yeah, that's why he made a couple more. He was just like, yeah, I can do this. That's awesome.

Starting point is 00:25:33 No, for me, it was, it was weights. Wates did that for me. Any strength sport, arm wrestling, weights, and then when I did grappling, but otherwise, I never, like I said, I never played with it, with it, with it, with it, with it, but when I started lifting, I got real serious about it real fast.

Starting point is 00:25:45 Real fast. So, what brand were those sardines that we just had? Those are the Thrive Market brand. Oh, did you heat some of those? So, yeah, it's all right. So tell me how they are compared to the other ones. They're really good. They were big, full.

Starting point is 00:25:58 Honestly, they're as good as the other one. I thought you were at that all the time. Yes, they're big, full, like, plump sardines. Me and Doug were in the back over there Because I know you guys will get pissed off and we shared a can of sardines from thrive But they were the thrive marker brand and they're they're cheap. What how many expensive are they in x more in x their less and expensive? Yeah, they're yeah, they're decently what would they how much less for the like 75 cents or almost a dollar less? Then the other brand that I get which is is, what's that brand that I get?

Starting point is 00:26:25 Yeah, you get the same brand. I've seen you eat it a whole time. It's called, I can't remember. Anyway, I like that they have their own brand and I feel like that's probably the future of their business. That's it. Oh, so most, okay, so, I mean, you know, much money is causing a lot of their,

Starting point is 00:26:40 right market, right market. Like if I understand their business model the same way, it's very similar to like a Like a vitamin shop business so They they carry all these other products that all that are most popular that people want right for really really low price And they don't make very much margins if any at all on those items where they make their most margins is on their own stuff And that's the idea is drive people to the website

Starting point is 00:27:02 most margins is on their own stuff. And that's the idea is drive people to the website so with all these popular awesome brands for awesome deals where they're not making a lot of money. Knowing that eventually you're gonna try some of their products where they make most of them. Look at the difference in price. Smart. Yeah, a wild planet.

Starting point is 00:27:16 That's the one. Wild planet is, and at which I like, they got great products too. $3.25 a can on the Thrive Market site. So it's even cheaper on the market site because if you go to Whole Foods, it can cost you as much as $3.25 a can on the Thrive Market site. So it's even cheaper on the Market site because if you go to Whole Foods, it can cost you as much as $5. Their Thrive Market brand, Sardines, 2.19.

Starting point is 00:27:31 So it's over $1 cheaper. So that's cool. They have their own brand and they have Thrive. And they all look like they have a bunch of them, dude. Sardines are good, dude. And they're not anchovies. People confuse Sardines with anchovies. Yeah, we're gonna taste.

Starting point is 00:27:42 They're hot. Anchovies are hairy, dude. Anchovies, which I like too, but anchovies go with cheese and bread and stuff like that. Sardines are not super fishy, very, very good source of omega-3 fatty acids. And because they're low on the food chain, they're very low in like things like heavy metals

Starting point is 00:28:00 and mercury. So the thing about fish is if you eat like the big fish, like swordfish and tuna. Yeah, they're going to pick up all those heavy metals. Yeah, but the thing about fish is if you eat like the big fish, like swordfish and tuna. Yeah, they're gonna pick up all those heavy metals. Yeah, but Sardines are pretty clean. They're pretty clean, so. I didn't know that, it's a healthier way. Not only that too, the price point for the amount of protein

Starting point is 00:28:16 that you're getting is pretty fucking solid. It's like 30 grams of protein for a can. You get a good dose of Omega-3 fatty acids. Right, you'll never find another meal for under $3. That you can get that much protein. You can get a can of tuna, which is okay, but the problem of tuna, again, you don't get the fat as much fatty acids,

Starting point is 00:28:31 and you also get sometimes mercury, or if you eat too much of it, you'll get the mercury. Well, and I don't think, I don't think that'd be interesting for ounce to ounce, starting versus actual tuna. Tuna's cheaper, I mean, I think probably cheaper. Is it? Perfect for a protein? I believe so. I believe so. We need to do, I mean, I think probably cheaper. Is it perfect for a protein?

Starting point is 00:28:45 I believe so, I believe so. We need to do the math. They also sell canned chicken. You ever seen canned chicken at the grocery store? I have, and you know what I think? That's fucking weird dude. I had a girlfriend that used to eat that all the time and I just couldn't do it.

Starting point is 00:28:55 Chicken in a can. Yeah, I can't do it man. I know some people. It seems like a bodybuilder's dream, right? I know. No, that's exactly, it was a competitor. You know what I'm like, my girl that we used to compete like that.

Starting point is 00:29:04 We get tired of tuna, it's like, yeah, let's just do this with chicken, you know my girl that we used to compete we get tired of two nuts like Yeah, let's just do this with chicken her fart smell a lot She was I know she probably He's trying not to be mean Hey, man bodybuilder chicks no different than bodybuilder dudes Yeah, smelly fart drop in some balls. Yeah, you know who you are She blew that hot air all over you know while we're speaking about walking through the gym, you think it's a big game.

Starting point is 00:29:27 While we're talking about fun and having sex, food and stuff. Oh. I've been meaning to address this on the podcast because ever since I started doing like the organifi, like cookies and recipes, like for Christmas time and holidays, right now I've been doing it a lot. I'm getting flooded with DMs. What's the recipe?

Starting point is 00:29:45 What's this? What's that like all this stuff? We should come up with the recipe book. Yeah, and part of the reason why I stopped was because I was getting so many of them was kind of I was like fucked a sucks. Now I can't get to other people with other questions in my DMs and all I'm all I'm answering is food shit, which I don't like doing. But so let me just tell you guys where where I'm getting the recipes is off the Organifi website. So when you go to the Organifi website, you go to OrganifiShop.com. Go to OrganifiShop.com and then go to the blog.

Starting point is 00:30:12 When you click on the blog. That's at the bottom, so to get to blog, you have to scroll to the bottom. Right, it's scroll way down. Yeah. Click on blog. Once you click on blog, then it's a scroll. Right, so you scroll way down,

Starting point is 00:30:23 and there's like, I think 20 something pages of blogs that are written that actually go with recipes. So you can really- Well, they have chocolate banana muffins. Right, you could read the blogs if you want or you can just get the recipe from the blog but they have all kinds of different ones that you use on a little bit of probably-

Starting point is 00:30:36 What is this cacao bliss? I haven't tried cacao bliss yet. I know, cacao bliss. Do you wanna, I know she's a listener, Sean, I'm talking to you right now. We pump should be someone the first people to get this shit. When I get an inbox, somebody else be eating fucking cacao should say it's the best they ever had. We haven't had it yet.

Starting point is 00:30:50 What the fuck's that work? I love cacao and balls. I'm in. Yeah. Second on them chocolate. Oh, yeah. Oh, all of it. So there you go.

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Starting point is 00:31:22 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. BEEP. Our first question is from Coach Wardle. Do you believe that sport and other physical activities build character or characters? So there's two questions here. One is does a build character and number two

Starting point is 00:31:42 does a promote character. Is the yes and yes. Yes, definitely. Yes and yes and yes. Yes, definitely. Yes and yes. Definitely. I think any organized activity. That's a coach Josh, right? Yeah, Josh Wardle.

Starting point is 00:31:51 Good for it. Josh. So any organized activity that is competitive is going to build or promote certain attributes. And it doesn't have to be a physical activity, although physical activities I think are some of the best because when you're playing something that's physical, you're feeling fatigue, you're feeling pain, you're feeling

Starting point is 00:32:14 like lots of physical sensations which can strengthen your character. I noticed this when I would train certain clients with heavy weights, in particular females, where they were, some of these women had never done anything very difficult when it came to physical pursuits. They didn't play sports. Now I'm having them lift weights, I'm having them push themselves, and because they're going through that physical pain, and they feel confident afterwards, they feel like they can handle more regular stuff, just because they were just...

Starting point is 00:32:39 There's no doubt in my mind that I'm not sitting here right now today if it wasn't for sports. I'm already statistically at a disadvantage being a kid who grew up in the home and the shit that I went through, that I was supposed to be in jail, on drugs, doing so that I 100% attribute that to the community that my parents had me in with church, and then with sports. Sports to me and sports even more so because I even think that the dogmatic side of the church and everything like that and later on is just about the brotherhood.

Starting point is 00:33:15 Right, so with the sports, there's so many parallels that I found in sports with life and business. Everything from having to work with others to the amount of effort that you put into it is what you get out of it. So much of what I had to learn to be successful in sports as a kid has translated into the person

Starting point is 00:33:37 that I am today, adversity, everything. What about learning to like rely on people or be able to be a role player? Yes. Find how you contribute, how you contribute best. This is all stuff that you learn about yourself going through the process of where your strengths are, where your weaknesses are, what part of your weakness where you can improve. Something that I could do to tangibly improve my performance out there on the field

Starting point is 00:34:05 to contribute more or like things like that. There's just so much I got from sports that that's why I tended to actually gravitate more towards the ones that had the most, I guess, physicality, the most dangerous sort of environment. Yeah, because for me, I felt like I just wanted more of a challenge. I wanted more things that you really pressed me to my limits. So I can understand how I was going to respond, how I was going to overcome what I could do in those more extreme situations to overcome them gets stronger. And I just, I really love the process of getting stronger.

Starting point is 00:34:48 Do you guys, do you guys remember, or I know you didn't play sports, but I mean, Justin, do you remember like specific, like lessons that you took from like a coach or like, I remember like being yelled at on the soccer field as a kid, like, do your fucking job. You know, like do your job. And I remember hearing in practice, like, listen, every position, every player on this, do your fucking job. You know, like do your job. And I remember hearing and practice, like listen,

Starting point is 00:35:06 every position, every player on this team has a specific job. Do your job and collectively together we are successful. Don't do your job and the whole team fails. And learning that, like in applying that in life is so true, man, like when you get into the business world and you have employees and you have a staff, you have people who love you, you have people below you and you have to work with all these people with this collective goal to be

Starting point is 00:35:27 successful. Huge. So that and like me understanding that you know what it takes to be a leader in a certain situation because for me I would just like to do my own thing forever and like people would trust and rely on me to do my own thing. But then stepping in more of a leadership position, where now I have to tell everybody else, here's the game plan, here's what we're doing, here's how we execute. That was another challenge for me to then understand, here's the best ways to get people to respond to you, to go to the workouts.

Starting point is 00:35:57 A lot of my responsibility was just to get people in the off season to come in to improve on their skill set. Going from high school to college with a whole other monster, I need to learn everybody else's positions now. Like, I was so good at my own position. Now I have to learn everybody else and how that whole over arching, you know,

Starting point is 00:36:18 the game from like the bird's eye view looks. And that way, I got better as an individual because I started to understand now what the field looked like from a even broader scale. There's also the bonding that you get with people when you suffer together. No, I've experienced this in other ways. I mean, having worked in fitness for as long as I have and being parts of teams and gyms and being in situations where, you know, you

Starting point is 00:36:45 need to hit a particular sales goal and it's down to the last minute and everybody's been working, bell to bell for days and we're there and then it gets pulled off and we did it together. It's that common like, you know, it's that we did this together that creates some pretty remarkable bonds and it comes from struggle. It doesn't usually come from just ease and success. No, that's a great point. Of course. I mean, I can play devil's advocate with this a little bit too. Going towards the other part of the question that World said, which is the characters, it does develop characters. And there are some people that take what they've learned from sports. So they didn't identify so much with sports

Starting point is 00:37:24 that they become very competitive with everything that they do. And maybe they were like a star. It's not always translated. It doesn't. So there is like a, there is a other side to this coin, right, where somebody who, yeah, you've had a lot of success from playing sports, but then you get into the real world and you realize that maybe you don't play well with it. Maybe you were talented and successful in sports and you got in your success.

Starting point is 00:37:45 But those same tactics are like crushing people around you that like maybe need a different type of motivation and encouragement. It reminds me, I remember having a boss of mine for many years who was a marine. And his way of leadership was all derived from his experience of being a marine and like that's how he approached leading

Starting point is 00:38:04 and he's been successful that way. So who the fuck am I to be to challenge him and say, like, no, I think that's a stupid idea actually. And I would, I still would, because I'd be like, no, not everybody in here is a fucking Marine, dude. You can't lead everybody that way. It's not this, do it now, ask questions later.

Starting point is 00:38:18 Like you want people that are outside the box thinkers and challenge the things that you may be putting, telling them to do, you don't always want everybody to be order-takers or else you're only gonna be so successful. So I think the same thing applies with people that have done sports their whole life and identify with being an athlete. I think anything that has a lot of power,

Starting point is 00:38:38 anything that can invoke a lot of emotion or feeling has the ability to provide incredible benefit, but it also has the ability to create and provide some some negatives. Let's talk about tribalism. You will you will not see I mean, I cannot believe some of the stories I read when you see football games or baseball games or basketball games and you see fans we're not even fucking playing Getting everyone happens just to fight You remember the the Dodger Giants team have been just like three years ago. It's crazy fucking. It's great It's a fucking killed the guy. It's a sports. It's a sports game

Starting point is 00:39:16 And so that's the characters that's when people identify so strongly right with a team or the sport where they're willing to fight each other Over a bunch of millionaires were running around on a field who that's what they do for a living and they couldn't give a shit about you. I mean, it's insane to me that that happens, but it's because it has a much power. Remember I said something not that long ago, this was maybe about three or four months ago

Starting point is 00:39:38 and I got some heat for it because I took a jab at, I think LeBron James, who by the way, I'm a huge fan of him as an athlete because he was talking outwardly about some political bullshit. I think it was around the whole fucking, cappernick kneeling. Yeah, and I was just like, I just fucking stick to your sport, play your sport.

Starting point is 00:39:56 And then I don't remember what else I said on the show, but then everybody's giving me flack. And it's like, the way people are giving me flack though, we're like defending LeBron James to like a team I'm like you don't even fucking know the guy for all you know the guy the guy the guy kills children at night You know I'm saying you don't you don't know I don't know you know I don't think so I think he's a good guy too, but I'm not gonna defend them to a T because somebody else Said something about them. I'm like it's really funny how people attack because they identify so strongly because that tribal mentality

Starting point is 00:40:23 Which has got some benefits and got some negatives. But then there's another side to it too. There's also the people at play sports that identify so strongly with their sport that they become characters. For example, if you're an artist, then you were to draw a picture of a body builder and what he looks like when he's not in the gym.

Starting point is 00:40:39 I bet you're gonna put him in a particular type of shoes, particular type of pants, fanny pack, you know the whole deal, atomic shoes, you know, the whole deal, atomic shoes, you know, the blown up pants, whatever. You got your power lift there, it's gonna got a little bit of a belly, probably hairier, you know, little thicker,

Starting point is 00:40:52 you know, maybe wearing like work boots, right? You've got your cross fitter, you've got your, you know, your football guy, your baseball guy, your basketball guy, you're, you know, you're cross fitter, you're, it's like, oh dude, we saw this with kettlebell sport. When the kettle, when we hosted the kettlebell sport tournament, one of the reasons, one of the reasons that got me excited

Starting point is 00:41:15 is as a marketer, I saw an opportunity. When I looked at these people coming to compete and I saw that they wore the same clothes, they all had the same gym bag, the reason same chalk. They had the same kind of verbiage, and I'm like, holy shit, this is a tribe. This is all tribalism. And it's in some ways, I understand why we developed it,

Starting point is 00:41:33 through revolution, and how it can be beneficial, we can get people to work together. But on this side, you start to identify with these things, and it can become very negative. And I tell you something right now, one of the worst things you can do is identify with your body, because if there's one thing that's guaranteed to fucking wither and change and go away, it's your body.

Starting point is 00:41:48 And that is a very tough lesson to learn if you're so identified with your body that you can't, you know, you know, hard it is to age. If you're so identified with your strength and muscle and leanness and how awesome you perform, you imagine how difficult that would be to age. We see this all the time in Hollywood with these, you know with these actors and actresses

Starting point is 00:42:06 who are on growth hormone and antibiotics and plastic surgery and a lot of stuff. So yeah, you could definitely turn you into a character, but anything that's got power, anything at all that has power over people for good has an incredible amount of power. That being said, I mean, and I think you guys would agree in, because you both have kids that are in sports, the God, the difference.

Starting point is 00:42:28 And I know there's statistics on this, the kids that play sports, their GPA, their likelihood of staying out of trouble. Yeah, they do. Of course. I so there's a lot of benefits to having kids involved in sports. And it's not to say that every kid needs a place sports. And then, you know, you should force your kid to play sports. I'm not saying that. I think every kid, I think every kid or most kids will benefit from being on a team. So

Starting point is 00:42:52 I don't want to necessarily say sports because I think people, you know, you're a robotics team, like your son. You could do chess, you could do debate team, you could do in business, you have teams that you learn to work with. Sure. Some of the strongest connections you'll ever see are people who go off to war together. That's a big team. They'll come back and be lifelong friends. Right. So there's definitely benefits from learning how to organize together, work together, to achieve a common goal.

Starting point is 00:43:19 Well, and I think to just the physicality, So if you just take it for most sports, it's this expression of your physical abilities, which you don't really get that in the rest of school. So for me, sports, that was crucial for me because that was something that me to just be able to improve my body and the way that it functions and it gave me a deeper understanding. That's a great point.

Starting point is 00:43:46 You're making me think of times too of what it taught me about pushing through something. When I thought I was gonna fail and break, when you've had to break through that mental barrier of something's not only hard to do, but it's physically hard for you to do like where you feel different. They're just trying to think your way through something.

Starting point is 00:44:02 Exactly, a lot of people quit before it even gets hard because they don't even know what hard is like or they don't even know what real failure with their body. You know what your body feels like when it bonks, you know what it feels like to vomit because you pushed your body so hard to get ready for getting in condition for sport or when you've done that, you're less adverse to adversity. Right. So like things that are physically challenging, like, I don't know, I just see sometimes, like, that's a problem with some kids. I notice these days that aren't as

Starting point is 00:44:29 physically active. Like, it's just, they're just very adverse to, like, tough situations, you know, even if it's, you know, like, just mentally based, like, if there's any kind of physical component to it, it's like, ah, right. Next up is double-o soak drop. Is it possible to be an athlete and be truly helpful? Oh, we're gonna stay on this athlete kick. Well, we need to define what she means. So, this is, I like that you picked this question because we had that little debate on that.

Starting point is 00:44:58 We just had a bunch of debate about this. Was it on the, what was it on the, it was on the video. I believe it was the IIF LAN video that I did with Jason Phillips. And we were talking, they it on the, what was it on the video? It was on the video. I believe it was the IIFLM video that I did with Jason Phillips. And we were talking, they were saying how, he made a comment on the video of something like, you know, elite athletes, don't eat garbage all the time or something

Starting point is 00:45:15 like that and then people are like, yeah, you know, so and so is an elite athlete and he eats pop tarts and chicken nuggets every day and so and so is. And really they missed the whole gist of the video which was that you can eat for performance and you can eat for longevity but they're not the same thing. Right. And that's what we're talking about here.

Starting point is 00:45:33 So now the question is can they be truly healthy? I'm assuming she's referring to optimal long term longevity health, right? That's what I think she's talking about, what she says truly healthy. Before you go into this, I think it's, keep in mind what I think Dr. Andy Gaplin said, which I think is so awesome, which is you're either adapting or you're optimizing or the other.

Starting point is 00:45:54 So you get to keep that in mind as you go through this that there's pros and cons to both. There's pros to pushing your body like an athlete, and then there's cons to that, and then there's pros to not pushing your body like an athlete and then there's cons to that. And then there's pros to not pushing your body like an athlete and there's cons to that also. Well, and true healthy, like you were alluding to like her like talking about longevity and like that pursuit versus like like right now I want to be like strong and I want

Starting point is 00:46:18 to be able to do this that. And I want to be able to lift something really heavy. Yeah. I want to have abilities across the board as far as strength, concern. That may take away from some of the markers of longevity. It's all about what you're really pursuing as far as what health means to you. I'll give you an example. We know through many, many studies that the ideal amount of protein intake for most people to build muscle is around 0.6 to 0.8 grams per pound of body weight

Starting point is 00:46:50 for lean individuals. So if you eat around there, you're gonna maximize muscle building with your protein intake. Now for longevity, that's too much protein. For long term health, you probably want less than that. You probably want more like 0.4 grams per pound of body weight or maybe even a little less than that. You probably want more like 0.4 grams per pound of body weight,

Starting point is 00:47:08 or maybe even a little less than that. It's like thinking, think of your car, right, and your engine and how you run your engine. If you were trying to do a drag race, it would not be advantageous for you to drive it at 2,500 RPM. So you're gonna lose the race, right? But if you wanted the motor to last you over five years, 10 years, 15 years,

Starting point is 00:47:26 you want that motor to last, it would be advantageous to drive it around 2500 RPM. They got to rebuild drags, their engines, what almost every 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30 First of all, most of you listening right now are not competing in any extreme way. You're not at a high level in any particular sport or whatever, you just wanna be fit and healthy. Now, some of you are, some of you who are listening, this is the minority, are on that elite level.

Starting point is 00:47:56 This message is for you also. I always encourage people to know what their true healthiness is or to find that, what that baseline is, of true optimal health, and then play from there. So now I know, for me to be absolutely at my most healthy that feel the best, that I eat this particular way, my carbohydrates tend to be around here,

Starting point is 00:48:17 these are the foods I avoid, these are the foods I focus on. Now from there, I wanna gain five pounds of muscle, or I wanna improve my endurance, I want to raise an marathon, or I want to get my body fat in a single digit. Now I can go from that baseline and push my body to be a little bit more extreme. But by nature, extreme is not optimal for long-term health. It just isn't because it's extreme.

Starting point is 00:48:41 And it's okay. And it's funny that that pisses people off. But because people that are current athletes right now, don't want to admit or don't want to think that. That they're not healthy. They're not healthy, especially since the... Even though their joints are screaming at it. Well, and even if they're not, right?

Starting point is 00:48:56 Even if they're not. Let's say you're 20 years old and what we felt like when we were 20 playing sports, like my joints didn't hurt, my back didn't hurt, I didn't have any problems like that. I felt fucking amazing and I played sports every single day and so in my head I'm healthy and I'm the healthiest healthiest version of myself right now So who the fuck are you mind pump to tell me that you know that I'm not healthy as an athlete like fuck off

Starting point is 00:49:18 I'm healthier than you are you know I'm saying so that would be my attitude So I understand where people are coming from when they become very defensive about, you know, being an athlete, how could it be an athlete not be healthy? Well, and it's like losing abilities, losing skills, like that always, I mean, for the old athlete inside me, it's always one of those things that feels like, oh my God, I'm losing like healthy markers.

Starting point is 00:49:41 Or even though I have to realize my body's changing, my chemistry's changing, my chemistry's changing, like all these things, like I can preserve my body more and still acquire a lot of skill and different abilities, but it's gonna look a little bit different, you know, than it did in my 20s. Well, it's also, I mean, also consider this. If we were to compare the average lifespan of athletes,

Starting point is 00:50:01 I just just say use your blue zone analogy. You always love to use it. Because there's a pretty example in all the blue zones, there's none of them are athletes. None just just say use your blue zone analogy. Well, I always love to use it. Because there's a pretty example. In all the blue zones, there's none of them are athletes. None of them are extreme. Yeah, none of them are extreme athletes. No, if you were, but I will say this, if we were to compare the, you know, people who are really, really hardcore into sports, working out and optimized their performance with nutrition,

Starting point is 00:50:22 you know, not super extreme, like they're not going crazy, but they're still competitive. They're gonna live longer than the average person. So people are gonna look at that and say, oh, well, I'm living longer than the average person, therefore I'm optimizing longevity. No, you're comparing yourself to people who live, right, who live absolutely terrible. Now, if you look at the world's blue zones,

Starting point is 00:50:42 these are places in the world where people, a disproportionate amount of people live to a hundred years old or older, disproportionate in the sense that, two times more people in these areas versus other areas of the world. And there's seven of them that they've identified. One of them is Loma Linda, California,

Starting point is 00:50:59 the seventh-day Adventist, it's a religious group. They have very strict nutritional guidelines. You have Sardinia, you have Okinawa, you have an island off of Greece. And when they look at what these people do and to try and figure out why they live so long, first and foremost, they identify that it's not genes. Although genetics play a role,

Starting point is 00:51:16 they don't have special genes in these regions because once somebody moves from, for example, the island of Sardinia to Alabama, within one or two generations at the same lifespan as the people around them in Alabama. Once they follow the same lifestyle. So, they've narrowed it down so, okay, it's not genes, it has to be lifestyle. Let's see what we find in common.

Starting point is 00:51:35 What they find is a lot of moderation. They find daily activity that is in extreme, so nobody's running crazy. Nobody's doing a hardcore lifting. Nobody, they're just active. Definitely more active than the average lazy ass, you know, Westerner, but they're nothing extreme. They don't eat extreme. Nobody's over like pushing calories. Nobody's pushing protein.

Starting point is 00:51:55 Nobody's super restrictive. It's kind of moderate. They consume whole natural foods. They've got a really tight social network. They get a decent amount of sleep, but it's not extreme in any direction. And that's longevity. Now, are any of these people going to be extreme, are any of these people at their best performance

Starting point is 00:52:14 in a particular sport? No. If you want to push your body to that limit, you are going to be taking away from longevity. But here's the way I look at it, because then people just this whole argument whole argument, like, well, you know, you know, focused on longevity, so forget you and this and that. Look, here's a deal, like, it's not about living longer necessarily, it's about living better.

Starting point is 00:52:32 Right. And if you enjoy bench pressing 300 pounds and squatting 400 pounds, if you enjoy being able to run a marathon and under a particular time, if you enjoy eating, you know, more protein, because you like more muscle and all those different things, and that's giving you a better quality of life, then that's worth it, in my opinion.

Starting point is 00:52:50 I do a lot of shit that takes away from my longevity. A lot, you know, sometimes I drink alcohol, sometimes I party, sometimes I don't sleep like I'm supposed to, but I'm enjoying my life, so, but yeah, the question is, is it possible to be hardcore athlete and be truly healthy in the longevity sense There's a trade-off. It doesn't say hardcore if it did say hardcore then we would all say definitely not You know, I'm saying because hardcore is different than just being an athlete being hardcore

Starting point is 00:53:13 You're already in itself is is saying that you're at a balance and you're you're overdoing something because you're hardcore about it But I mean I think that's you set a perfect you need a balanced athlete Yeah, that's possible well, and I think that I think that's you said it perfect. Give me a balanced athlete. Yeah, that's possible. Well, and I think that I think it's okay to do things that we love and you've said this before, Sal, that it's not our health isn't just muscle, calories, that physical. Right, there's a mental aspect to that. Emotional. Yeah, there's a lot of other parts that come into play that if it provides, and that to

Starting point is 00:53:44 me was a lot of this whole motivation to into play that if it provides, and that to me was a lot of this whole motivation to get back into playing ball was, I could totally tell the shift change in my attitude, in my like we had a busy work day, we had all this shit going on, I got on the core, I wasn't thinking about none of that. Well none of that question. It makes you present.

Starting point is 00:54:00 That's right. And you're there and you're experiencing it and you're not thinking about all this other stuff and letting that get in the way. So it provides a great environment. You know, it's funny about this because this again, we were talking about that video that I deal with Jason and there was a guy on there that's like, well, I played in the NFL and I ate, you know, I followed macros, but I, you know, all these bad foods and stuff

Starting point is 00:54:21 and I'm healthy this and that. And the irony of a pro, an ex pro football player saying that, you know, you know the lifespan, the average lifespan of a 50, a 50, a 50. First of all, go get your brain checked. Yeah, 53 to 59.

Starting point is 00:54:33 Oh yeah, yeah. They have a terrible lifespan. Football is horrible for your life. It's war, you're going to war every time you play. And you've got to feed yourself. I went through all that, yeah. You're not going to convince me. Being in the NFL, like you've maintained optimal. I went through all that, yeah, you're not gonna convince me. Being in the NFL, you've maintained optimal.

Starting point is 00:54:47 But you know what? Because we market, we advertise that way, right? Most of your athletes are the ones that are marketing the things that we're selling to people. Yeah, well, think of it this way. When we, they're physical specimens. The pictures that we advertise to people for health are super muscular, super shredded, shaved, tanned, and just amazing, you know, cartonish aesthetics.

Starting point is 00:55:09 The reality is optimal health looks a little softer. You're relatively lean, you're gonna have decent definition, but you're not shredded, you're not gonna be super crazy muscular, you're not gonna be any of those things, you're just gonna be like optimal health just looks healthy. And for most people, for most you listening, if you reach that, you'll probably be very happy with the way you look.

Starting point is 00:55:29 Next question is from Havnami. What is your take on stevia? Do you think it can be as harmful as other non-calorie sweetpears? I knew you wanted to go here for sure. I mean, I think this is smart that we talk about this, man, because one of the things too, for sure, that we talk about on the show at times, is like, nothing, I'll never attach myself to

Starting point is 00:55:48 something and say, oh, this is better, this is the way it's like, we don't know, you know, as of right now, we believe that it's a better option. Yeah, because it's like plant-derived. Right. Because we're going in that direction. I use it. I use it probably more than what I should without knowing more information. But do you think people are overusing it?

Starting point is 00:56:06 Oh, for sure. So, here's the thing. So, stevia is, it is a plant and it does contain stevia soids. I believe they're called. These are compounds in the stevia that give it its sweet flavor. It's a relatively calorie free sweetener. So, manufacturers have been using stevia in replacement of things like aspartame and sucralose to sweeten supplements without adding carbohydrates or

Starting point is 00:56:31 sugar because people like things to taste are particular way which is funny in and of itself but that's the case right we want to help food or we want to take a concentrated superfood supplement that's got you know seven different vegetables that are ground and powdered and dried and put into something, but we don't want it to taste like vegetables. We want it to taste like sweet and delicious something. So we sweetened it with something and we choose stevia.

Starting point is 00:56:53 And it's a natural counterpart. I definitely think stevia is better than the artificial sweeteners for several reasons. One, it's been used for a long time all over the world. It doesn't seem to have the negative effect on the gut microbiome that things like sucralosin aspartame have. It's been longer, it's been around longer, I said that already. But does that mean it's going to have zero effects on the body? Of course not. Everything you consume, especially if you consume a lot of them, will have effects in the body. Now, there was, there were some old studies done to show that stevia had a contraceptive effect on female rodents.

Starting point is 00:57:33 So there was some fears that it may have some effects on the hormones of mammals. Now, these were done on animals. Animal studies can only be replicated in humans about 30% of time. So there's that. And there were other studies afterwards that couldn't replicate that same thing. Nonetheless, my take on stavia is that my take on anything that you supplement to your body. It doesn't replace whole natural foods, but I would definitely recommend it over.

Starting point is 00:58:05 And you'd probably be totally fine with it if the only way you consume it is by chewing it up in the platform. Yeah, and you know, it's because the amount that you use. Some heavy extracts are super concentrated. That's what I mean. I mean, it goes back to it.

Starting point is 00:58:17 And we've talked about this a long time since we brought up the analogy of the cane sugar. Like if you were to actually eat cane sugar in its natural form in nature, like it would be like fucking eating a huge staw. Yeah, like fiber. Yeah, like one coke is like six feet of fucking bamboo, you'd have to chew up, which not happening, right?

Starting point is 00:58:34 The amount of calories you'd use to do that, burn, yadda yadda yadda, right? Well, I know the Japanese used to have used TVF for a very, very long time. And they've got great, there's been great track record with it, no, you know, like I said, no long time. And they've got great, there's been great track record with it. No, like I said, no major problems. There was a big study done in 2008 where there were no adverse effects on the fertility of female mice. So they've tried to replicate that, but

Starting point is 00:58:58 they haven't found any issues. But again, that doesn't mean there isn't necessarily any issues. Which I think right now, I mean, I use it all the time. And I try. If I want to sweeten something without calories, I prefer Stevia over any other. Right. So, I mean, to me, it's the lesser evil or it's the one that we feel most, you know, safe with in comparison to everything else that's out there right now. But that being said, it does not mean that it could be.

Starting point is 00:59:23 We don't know, we don't know, but again, it does have a good track record. Here's the other thing too, with sweet. Okay. Besides calories. Right, it was training your brain. Well, yeah, besides calories and besides, you know, the actual molecule or chemical itself,

Starting point is 00:59:40 the perception of sweet changes things in the brain. And it changes like chewing bamboo, Doug. Like chewing, yes, it's sugar cane. The the perception of sweet changes things in the brain and it I like chewing bamboo Doug. Yeah, like chewing. Yes, it's like sugar cane. Yeah, not bamboo. No, no, I said chewing up sugar cane would be like chewing six feet of bamboo. I know it was. You got it right. But yeah, the sensation, the perception of sweet, even if we were to somehow magically attach electrodes to your brain to give you a perception of sweet, even if we were to somehow magically Attach electrodes to your brain to give you a perception of sweetness So you have no chemicals in your mouth or in your stomach. You have no stevia. You have nothing that you've consumed

Starting point is 01:00:13 But you're perceiving sweet that will still cause changes to your body And it can cause changes from how you perceive the taste of other foods to you know I'll tell you right now, and this is anecdotal, but I can always tell when my body gets used to taking in the artificial sweetener, it's a fucking trip to me. And I fuck with this all the time. I have protein bars in my refrigerator right now. I haven't, I haven't ate them in quite some time. But, you know, when I haven't had any of them for a long time and then I reintroduce them, they taste like shit, they really do.

Starting point is 01:00:49 And then I'm like, what the fuck, I remember these things being great, maybe these ones are old. That's how I always, I go through this whole mind fuck with myself all the time, like, oh, these must be old, I need a new box and get a new box. And then I realize, oh, this is not very good.

Starting point is 01:01:00 By about the third one, it only takes about three in a row, like three days in a row of consistently having a protein bar. Now all of a sudden, I fucking love them. Like literally, literally. And I notice it every time I go away from them and come back, I can pinpoint the shift that when I first intake them, they don't taste good, I don't like them.

Starting point is 01:01:21 And to that to me, right away, it's like flags. We have to think to ourselves, why do we perceive tastes in the first place? Why is that even important? If you think about it, why don't we just eat food, get what we need, and get our nutrients, and we're done. Like it's just fuel.

Starting point is 01:01:38 Yeah, it's just fuel. Why do we need to perceive taste? It's like a reward thing. Well, taste tells you a lot about what you're eating. For example, in nature, bitter, many times means poison. Really, really strong bitter taste means poison. So if we taste something, we bite into it.

Starting point is 01:01:58 Oh, we don't, that bitter taste drives us away. We don't eat it, and we've avoided consuming too much poison. Sweet, sweet probably signified a very fast source of energy, like fructose. Fructose is a sugar found in nature. So if I'm walking around in nature, think about it, you're walking around, you're human, you know, you've been walking for days, you're tired, you're gonna think. Whatever, you're a hunter gatherer, we don't have stores around you. Where are you gonna taste sweet?

Starting point is 01:02:24 You're gonna taste sweet if you randomly hunter gatherer. We don't have stores around you. Where are you gonna taste sweet? You're gonna taste sweet if you randomly come upon fruit that's growing naturally and you'll taste it and you'll be like, it'll blow you away. Cause you probably don't taste sweet all the time, right? So you'll taste it and be like, oh, what is this amazing flavor? First of all, sweet, sweet tells you it's safe.

Starting point is 01:02:40 In nature, sweet means won't poison you. Number two, sweet means fructose, which is a very quick, you know, available source of energy, which is valuable. And it's going to make you eat the fuck out of this safe source of natural energy. Plus, it signifies particular types of nutrients like vitamin C, which is found in things that tend to be sweet in nature. So these, these sensations or perceptions exist for a reason. And if you trick your body by giving it something that gives you that perception,

Starting point is 01:03:11 but it's not a come to it. Yeah, your brain starts to change. So, so- Well, then you don't, then you do what happened to me, which was for a good portion of my young adulthood. I didn't like fruit. Fruit tasted bland to me. Because you were comparing it to process.

Starting point is 01:03:23 Yes, I'm comparing it to all the fucking sugar that I was getting in boxes and wrappers and things like fruit, fruit tasted bland to me. Because you were comparing it to process. Because I'm comparing it to all the fucking sugar that I was getting in boxes and wrappers and things like that. That is like, it's accelerated by like a million times and comparison. So fruit tastes blot to me. Take that out. I remember when I went and I was competing and I had like none of that shit in my diet,

Starting point is 01:03:40 then I go bite into an apple. Oh my God, bro. It tastes like a meeting at candy bar because it was That sweet taste was so amazing, but it's crazy how much we can we can change that based off of our easiest things you can do to reduce your food intake if you eat too much if you're if you got a problem with over Consuming this is really easy eat only super bland food no joke. This will, you will naturally get palate fatigue, you will naturally eat less. Don't season your food, don't combine foods,

Starting point is 01:04:10 eat them plain as fuck, you know, plain, you know, meat with nothing else to claim. It's a criss-crosser wipe potato thing. And watch what happens, you'll find that your decision-making changes quite a bit. I mean, seasoning food to some extent was a form of us processing food, right? Or trying to increase its palatability

Starting point is 01:04:28 and kind of hijack those things. So anyway, with this long rant, what I'm basically trying to say is, like we are advices with any supplement, use them, but don't use them to replace. I use judiciously. Yeah, use them judiciously. Don't use them to replace whole natural foods.

Starting point is 01:04:43 And if you have to sweeten something that you don't want sugar, Stevie S probably better than artificial sweeteners. Next is from Clubinator. Can your body get adapted to a certain number of steps every day and thus burn less calories? Of course. Your body adapts to whatever it does, becomes more efficient

Starting point is 01:05:02 at whatever it does a lot of. You'll find if you take, I can't remember with the study, I read some, some article on this, I think it was where they took like a high-level cyclist and a high-level runner endurance athletes and they were measuring and they got similar body weight and you know similar BMR and stuff and they were measuring calorie burn during their respective sports, and they switched them. So now the cyclist is running, and then the runner is cycling, and their calorie burn went through the roof when they were doing the sport that they weren't used to. I experienced this when I was training, when I was doing a lot of Jiu-Jitsu, and I was

Starting point is 01:05:39 training like four days a week, and I had, at one point, I really good endurance with Jiu-Jitsu. Like, I could go match after match after match and not and be okay and not die from being exhausted. And then we had a boxing coach come in and take us through boxing and it exhausted the shed of me. I got so tired and I remember thinking like, I thought I was in shape,

Starting point is 01:05:58 but it's just that specificity that my body adapted to being so efficient at that particular movement that or pattern of movements or whatever that pattern recognition. Absolutely. So yeah, you could totally adapt, but that doesn't mean you're gonna lose the health benefits from it.

Starting point is 01:06:10 Right. Right. There's a lot of other health benefits that go with just you being up and moving. I think it's important to note to it because it's like, you know, this is why I've had construction workers or people that have jobs where they're on their feet

Starting point is 01:06:22 and they move all day long. And they're obese. And they're obese. And it's like, well, your body body's gotten so you've been doing that for 10 years 15 years Tax instructors right your yeah, right your body's gotten so adapted to all this that you're not really seeing the major Calorie burn benefits, but you still do get the the blood flow movement you get your your actual movement for your your body and your joints From that sitting sedentary like you get all those benefits from that, but this is also why I, when I teach people to focus on their knee and their steps,

Starting point is 01:06:51 that you increment. Yeah, and you incrementally bring it up, right? Like I don't wanna take somebody who is less than 4,000 steps a day and say, okay, the goal, which is I think a generic goal that you always hear is 10,000 steps. Like, oh, let's get you to 10,000 steps right away. Like, well, actually, you don't even need to get there. I mean, if you're averaging less than 4,000, like taking you up to 6,000,

Starting point is 01:07:11 is already going to create. 50% increase. Right. It's already going to show you a change in a difference. And then you just slowly bring that up. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, as far as health is concerned, it's good for you to move every single day. So forget.

Starting point is 01:07:24 And you know, the reason why I'm addressing it this way is because I think people ask these questions not necessarily because they enjoy the walking or because it's good for them, but more so because they're thinking in terms of fat loss. You know what I mean? So, do it because you enjoy it. Like go for your walk and enjoy your walk and it's good for your health, it's good for your mental health, it's good for your health. It's good for your mental health. It's good for your physical health. And forget about the fat burn effects of it

Starting point is 01:07:48 because those are so short lived. You're gonna get some fat burning. If you start walking right now and you don't normally walk, yes, you're gonna burn some body fat. Very short lived. It's not gonna last very long. And it's a terrible approach to a terrible long term approach to fat loss.

Starting point is 01:08:03 What would be a more effective long-term fat loss approach is of course nutrition. Look at your diet, that's number one. And number two, look at getting your metabolism to burn more calories by prioritizing building muscle. Resistance training does that very effectively. You know, regular, daily walking or cardio activity after a short period of time, it's so important.

Starting point is 01:08:26 I think it's more important to look at the correlation of your eating habits with your steps. So what I have found in my experience with people that I have that track and then report back to me, what's most common is we typically make the worst choices when we're not up and moving and we're sedentary. So when you're sitting in a movie theater,

Starting point is 01:08:44 when it's late night after a long day of work and you flop down on the couch, it's also when all of a sudden those cravings or whatever you think is going on and start happening and you start making bad food choices. Like so getting up in the moving piece is important and it has its own benefits, but the correlation between your movement

Starting point is 01:09:02 and how you're consuming and what you're consuming to me is even more important is to pay attention to that and your patterns and For me a game change. We talked about paradigm shattering moments in our in our lives You know for me when we first get when the very first tracker came out body bug way back when and I realized that holy shit Monday through Saturday. I was burning 5,000 plus calories a day and then Sunday I was burning 2500 because I sat around watch football all day. And guess what? That in my mind, I justified that was my day off. It's also the day that repeats our beer or fucking go off the radar with all kinds of bad choices. Right. And that was enough to keep me from progressing my physique to the next level. So I think understanding that correlation is more important

Starting point is 01:09:49 than even just focusing just on the steps by itself. Excellent. Check it out. Go to YouTube, check out our channel Mind Pump TV. Go look and see what all the hubbub is all about. It's a new word. I mean, it's on YouTube. Subscribe.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 666: Stevia vs. Other Non-Calorie Sweeteners, Avoiding a Slow Metabolism, Athletics and Health & MORE

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