Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 669: Low Volume High Intensity Training Benefits, Cold & Fever Strategies, MAPS & CrossFit & MORE

Episode Date: December 23, 2017

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about if it is still wise to feed a cold & starve a fever, implementing MAPS Performance with CrossFit, the fitness categories they see breaking through in the future and their opinions on low volume vs. high volume and moderate intensity vs high intensity. Dark on Netflix / The Han Solo Podcast (4:49) What’s with Wheat? (8:40) Traded acute illness for chronic illness Big business and weed (19:17) Siri taking over (24:00) The sports world and sexual misconduct (26:08) Adam’s BBQ story Getting blackballed by HR Four Sigmatic chaga combats sickness (36:02) Finding balance Thrive Market unboxing “Holiday” edition (42:18) Bentley loves peppermint Quah question #1 – Is it still wise to feed a cold & starve a fever? (48:46) Quah question #2 – Any suggestions how to implement MAPS Performance with CrossFit? (1:04:39) Quah question #3 – What fitness categories they see breaking through in the future? (1:09:38) Quah question #4 – What are your opinions on low volume vs. high volume and moderate intensity vs high intensity? 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We don't actually give anything to do that to you guys. Don't worry. We talk about the documentary. What's with wheat on Netflix? I highly suggest you guys all watch it, and I highly suggest my co-host fucking watch it, because I've been telling them now for the past three days. Sal's been hammering us about that. We talk about the chronic disease explosion. A lot of people aren't talking about autoimmune issues, and just chronic diseases in general

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You can't talk about Star Wars, too. We actually we could. Yeah, we could we could lambast you. You're going to have to do Star Wars information on a solo podcast. The dude getting here by yourself. It started one's called the Han Solo Podcast, starting me. Yeah.

No, I didn't. So you're episode five on Dark right now, Justin? Yeah. And Sal, you're on two. Just number two. Okay. I need you guys to start. I like it.

I need you guys. But I'm confused as fuck. I know, I need you to finish it because I'm still confused. I think together, we'll be able to put it together. Okay. I'll figure it out. This is like one of those big puzzles that you can't put'm still confused. I think together we'll be able to put it together. Oh, okay. I'll figure it out. This is like one of those big puzzles.

You can't figure it out. I'll figure it out. You can't figure it out. I already figured it out. No, you can't. I watched two episodes. I know exactly. They got you then.

Two? Yeah, there's no way. No. There's so much shit. 100% figured it out. Can I tell you? Go for it. I've only watched the other one.

I don't want to spoil it. You know, I don't want to spoil it. Justin hasn't seen the whole thing. That's okay though. I tell you what even even if I tried to spoil it for you guys and put it all together It's still too complex. Yeah, there's I'm trying to remember the last show that I remember you know it reminds me of a little bit Is a fringe? Mm-hmm. Did you ever get a French? I never watched it. Yeah, so French was really good I stopped watching it towards the last. When they split to the parallel universes. Yeah, it's JJ Abrams for you. Right.

He does a great job at like starting things and then like leaving you suspended, but like closing out, he's terrible. That's why I'm like, I'm dying because he's scheduled to be like the third Star Wars again. Yeah, and I'm like, no. Oh, really? Yeah, he doesn't know how to close anything.

Yeah, at the end when Chewbacca has sex with Princess Leia, you're like, what? I'm like, you, he's the Audi much. Yeah, but anyway. You know, he doesn't close move. What else did he do that he doesn't close movies very well? He also did, we'll lost the series terrible. Yeah, I mean, I loved it and And then the way like finished it was.

Yeah. And that's how I feel about French to French. I loved it for most of it. And then just a Star Trek. Oh, he did that one too. Yeah, both those. I think are they up to three now? Like the new like revised version. Anyway, I did like what he did with the franchise, but like, again, I don't think he's a closer. I think he's a star. So you're in the camp of, I thought most people that really like Star Wars are, we're excited about JJ Abrams actually doing it. They're, I love Tim doing the first one. And just his ideas and inclusions,

but like, are this supposed to close out the last one? The last one's supposed to be 2018? Those characters he created, like Finn and Captain Phasma, I'm not stoked on there. They're just like, yeah, you know, we didn't get much. Anyway, I don't want to get into it because, you know, we're going to ruin everything for you. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I feel like without talking about this one, you could still talk about JJ Abram and talk about what, why you don't or do like, I thought most big Star Wars fanatics actually were really excited because before that, who did the two stupid ones, the ones that were like all animated crazy and just didn't even follow So that's just Lucas by himself. Yeah, he just No, he just I don't know he tried to just because you can do something You know like he he didn't really have depth to that story of like bringing Darth Vader like his story like it was just lame Yeah, so he tried to make you you know, something not a nothing. With the-

Now the knock that I keep hearing from people too is that it's the same thing, but just different, you know what I'm saying? It's like the same thing. It's like it's- Well that was the first one. It's like the whole- This one was different. This was yes.

This one was actually much- Challenge it challenged you and I think that's why like this. There's a bit of a nerd revolt of like the purist It's much less Star Warsy, but I liked it because of that fact They're fucking shook it up on you. Yeah, okay, that's cool. It's great. You'll like it a lot I think what I want you guys to watch is the documentary what's with wheat you have to watch that I saw your post I read your post so I keep forgetting you got a text me in remind me I mean, it's just it's what is an hour and a half long. So you'll

watch it, you know, real quick, but I'm assuming that's where the post came from, right? Well, part of it. So I've known the stuff that I saw on what's with wheat. I didn't necessarily learn anything new. I just like the way they made it because when I looked at, when I saw the title and I saw people posting about it and I saw the cover of the documentary, which is like a piece of bread made into a skull or whatever. I thought to myself, it's gonna be like, what the hell? Yeah, it's gonna be like, what the hell? They're gonna go super sensationalist, it's gonna be dogma, ridiculousness.

No, they were very intelligent with the way that they explain things. Now is that because you identify with it and you agree with it or did they true? No, they did not say that wheat is evil. It's just a president of facts. They did not say that wheat is evil. What they explained was like wheat has been a staple crop for humans for thousands of years. It is what fed us post agricultural revolution. It's the reason why mankind grew so rapidly during that period of time. And so humans have been eating wheat

for a very, very long time. The differences and what they were very, and that's what they were explaining. Like wheat's not necessarily a problem. It's that number one, the wheat that we eat today is not the same as the wheat that we ate back then. We have bread it to be double triple amount of gluten in it.

We have, we've bred it to, for much higher yield, to be much more hearty, to withstand a disease, to withstand all these, you know, things that can kill wheat. Now that's almost everything, every crop. So why is it so, what's so different? Is it because it's so, because of gluten? Is that, I mean, almost everything, every crop. So why is it so different? Is it because of gluten? Is that I mean? So particular, so certain things in foods are there to as defense mechanisms for the foods against predators.

So if you and I went and grabbed a stalk of wheat out of the ground and just started eating it, like that, we would destroy us. We would have severe, we can't eat wheat that way. Humans can't digest it that way. So humans, because we're obviously intelligent creatures, we figured out ways to process this food. Strip it of all those. Well, just to make it in a way that we can digest it.

So number one, ancient wheat, very different from modern wheat. Number two, we would stone ground it for a long, fucking time, the whole thing. It wasn't just like, we wouldn't remove any parts of it. We'd stone ground the hell out of it. And then we would make it through a fermentation process. And that fermentation process makes it far easier to digest. So it's like, what is that,

does it, do they go in a detail with that looks like? What is that process of course? So if you wanted something similar today, you would get sourdough, like good old school sourdough bread that's made from what's called ancient grains or ancient forms of wheat. So I can't remember the name of the type of wheat,

but you can buy it today, where it's the same that they, you know, thousands of years ago. And what they'll do is they'll process it in the same way. And then they'll, they'll ferment it. That's what sourdough bread is. And for people who have light sensitivities the wheat, they're probably going to be okay. In fact, when you talk to functional medicine doctors, uh, about the fermenting process that's, that's actually breaks down the gluten, it breaks down. Uh, so it's like ancient humans knew that this was a tough thing to, to digest and they create they produced it in a way that made it easier and ancient wheat was probably

consumed with raw forms of dairy or raw forms of milk. Um, raw milk naturally has higher levels of Bafidobacterium in them and Bafidobacterium has been shown to protect against the potential inflammatory processes of what wasn't it to like they would ferment and make like beer and all these different drinks in order because the water was a lot more like suspect. In some cases, yeah. In some areas. Yeah, in some cases, yeah. So, and that's the thing, like ancient humans, we understood the dangers of particular types of foods and we just found out ways or figured out ways to eat them. Today, wheat is, we spray it with things to make it grow faster.

So like like plant hormones or chemicals to make it grow faster. We do something where we blast them with glyphosate, it's called desiccation, I believe, that gets it to dry so that we can process it quicker. Then with the way we make bread, we make it very quickly, we don't ferment it for the most part. So it's just, it's much more of a potential. What happens in the fermenting process?

Do they break it down in the video? Like what is that? What is that? They do break it down. You know, I don't remember. I believe fermented bread reduces the gluten or breaks down the gliatin and the gluten and the proteins that are found in wheat

that are can be tough to digest. And basically what they're saying is that modern wheat in the context of inflammation, in the context of a poor diet, poor microbiome, sets the stage for a lot of problems. And when you, it sets the stage for these immune reactions, you know, when you have an immune reaction to food, that's not your typical allergic reaction. It can display itself in a lot of different ways. It can look like migraines, it can look like joint inflammation. In other words, if we get the immune system to react inappropriately or overreact,

that overreaction can display itself all over the body. So if your immune system is autoimmune issues, it can be your joints that it attacks. Now you have rheumatoid arthritis or it can be your eyes and you have issues with developing blindness or night vision. It could go to causing headaches. It can go to your skin. Skin is the most common one. Skin, exome and psoriasis are the most common displays of an immune system that is, you know,

haywire from the gut. They also talk about how most of these autoimmune issues probably have roots in the gut. They probably have roots in the gut. So, but it's a very well-made documentary. So I want you guys to watch it. Yeah, watch it. I'll watch it. It's so it wasn't that it didn't get all what the health like where they were just super. You know, you weren't part of it. Like, oh, come on. No, I'm fact a couple of them said, like some people can eat wheat and not ever. I know. I know that Lane got on a Joe's post when Rogan posted about it and really tried to light him up over it. And so I was curious to like, okay, because I feel like for the most part, Lane's got a pretty good head on his shoulders. And when we

had him on the show, and we talked about, I think we, talked about, I think, he hates the zealots about it, right? The people that are just dogmatic about their approach, but it sounds like this video wasn't, this documentary wasn't like that. It's gonna be a country. There are certain things in foods that the immune system tends to recognize more readily as a foreign invader. And one of them is Gliadon and Gluton in wheat.

Another one is some of the or dairy proteins or lactose or egg whites or lagoons. You know, lagoons have these protection mechanisms to protect them from being consumed by animals. And so it only makes sense that that's gonna that's something that your immune system may recognize. But it depends on context, too. Like if your gut is super healthy,

you've got great microbiome. I mean, you can get away with a lot more, you know what I'm saying? Which seems to be every teenager, right? Seems like teenagers for the most part get away with it. And it's like when you start getting into your 20s. It's kids, yeah, right. But less and less, right. Which is probably because we just let them go haywire with a lot of this shit and it's

getting more process, more glyphosate. Glyphosate. Glyphosate. Glyphosate. Glyphosate. Glyphosate. Glyphosate. Yeah.

It's an interesting situation and they talk about it on the documentary, how we have traded, you know, acute illness for chronic illness. Like we have we have solved infectious disease, we've solved these acute problems, but we've traded it with these chronic conditions that we have that for the most part, that they didn't exist like this, like they do now. Like we can preserve like our lifespan is a lot more as greater now,

but like the quality, I feel like is something that we need to address like specifically. Well, look at like cancer. Yeah, cancer's a great example. I just read an article yesterday, I posted on the show. Oh, yeah, you stirred up some shit with that too. Yeah, that some scientists, you know, when they look at mummies and remains and stuff like that,

that finding cancer is extremely rare when they look at these things. Now, some people will argue and say, well, that being said, it was still found though, right? Well, some people argue and say, well, it's because people didn't live as long. But can you also argue that, like, how many mummies do they really, like, biopsy? How many mummies do they really like biopsy? Have how many mummies are there like what's your your your your your amount of test subjects?

So cancer tumors should be pretty easy to spot in a mummified Remain or in You know if we're finding like you know old prehistoric remains or whatever of humans, we should be able to see them because they didn't have treatments. So if they died of the tumors, if they died from the cancer, it would be in the bone, it would be, it would be evident. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't be like, oh, we can't tell if this person died from cancer.

We should see many, many more signs of cancer, but we don't. It's extremely rare. And so some scientists are saying that that cancers a lot of cancers are the result of modern lifestyle, which it goes back to the whole epigenetics thing is that you know forever everyone's had the potential to get cancer. Right. It's just that it's accelerated that we are getting it now. And so the real question is, okay, it's been around forever as a possibility that you could get it, but why is it skyrocketed in the last 50 years or so? Multitutive factors now. How do you narrow it down? It's like so many new things and maybe that's why it's accelerated so much because

Alcohol does it cigarettes do it process foods. We do it right it's everything at once right? It's so much. That's why it's and that's why you can't pinpoint it to one thing either And this is also why I think people get so pissed off When you try and there is no one. Yeah, right if you just demonize weed or you just demonize alcohol You just demonize cigarettes what are it's it's the combination of our lifestyles completely right speaking of weed I just reminded me of something else. I read another article that you guys know what wiki leeks is is So that's where they all that hackers have information on something that will release it to WikiLeaks anonymously.

Yeah. Well posted or whatever. And apparently there were all these hacked emails and stuff that showed that the alcohol industry was paying or not bribing, but influencing government officials to continue to push for weed prohibition or cannabis prohibition. So alcohol companies were literally, I've been telling you guys that shit forever man.

Well, but you know what's funny? This is like evidence. You know what I mean? Well, it's not enough evidence that told you I saw a first hand rolling. Well, I do, it's been going on for a hot minute man. Isn't that crazy though? Well, it's not enough evidence that told you I saw a first hand or a... Well, I do, it's been going on for a hot minute, man. Isn't that crazy though? Yeah, it's the confirmation. Well, that's how they kick,

one of the number one ways big business eliminates their competition by using government to legislate their competition out, on business. That's just what they do. Yeah, that's just what they do. So it's just happen forever. I mean, look at Tesla and Edison,

and it's always like one versus the other, and then one kind of like pervades at the end. Oh man. What do you think's gonna happen? Do you think that companies like Marbro are gonna come in and just, and Philip Morris or whatever, and just gonna just destroy everybody, just take over the market?

When they realize that they can't stop it. Like when they realize that we need to like, that it's gonna happen. Well, me this is interesting, because you can grow it. You know, you can grow it in your own house. Well, you could take me to do that with alcohol too, right? That's true.

You could do it with a giant. Yeah, but it's more labor intensive. Yeah, way more labor intensive. Wow. I don't know, but that's not true. That's not true. That's right. We're asking the guy that's the whole thing.

Yeah, no, I mean, growing one weed, one plant, right? You're not making no money off of that. To grow enough marijuana to make a legit... Oh, you're doing my business there. Well, yeah, to make a legitimate business of it is an operation. And you need a lot of things.

You can't just be like, oh, I get a backyard and you grow some weed. No, I'm talking, I think, I thought you were referring to, I thought Justin was referring to this people growing there. Yeah, that's not meant, like just for themselves. Yeah, yeah, I think it's, I mean, God, you could debate my, my brother-in-law make bruises on beer, you know, for it. Once you understand the process and you learn how to do it, it's, to me, it's, it's, you could do it and you could do really,

you could be very bad at it. The same way people grow weed. I mean, it's a weed, so you could throw it in a pot and you could throw a water on it, but you can have some fucking shit. You know, don't weed. It's, it's not gonna be very, it's not gonna be very awful. Yeah, nobody wants to smoke that. Just like nobody would want to drink some terrible beer that someone didn't understand the process. It's funny because they're finding that in states that have legalized cannabis, that alcohol consumption drops. So the alcohol companies are shading their pants.

Oh, I bet. Yeah. Because when you have the monopoly on consciousness altering fun drug, which is what alcohol is, right? Alcohol, the alcohol industry literally owns the monopoly on like legal drugs that you have a fun time with your friends, right? Otherwise, what else can you do that's legal? Marijuana comes out and becomes legal. Now you have an alternative because people that smoke weed, what they're finding is a lot

of them stop drinking alcohol or don't drink as much because they don't get a hangover. Yeah, I have fun and it's like well, I'll just do this instead. Oh, that's gonna be interesting. Is it like January where they actually roll out the recreational? It'll be legally for California. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be cool.

No, it's gonna be cool. When you see the shops pop up, I'll see everything like weed gum. Yeah. Weed toothpaste. Yeah. We'll see, man. We'd gum. You know, weed toothpaste. You know, we'll see, man. We'll see. We'd shampoo. So much.

But I mean, I think it's for that good for sure. I think if it's going to cut back on people drinking and driving it now, mind you, there's still going to be people that are under the influence and driving and doing those things with that. Not nearly. Not nearly isn't, you don't, it doesn't inhibit your motor skills. No. No, this is by the way.

No, I'm not speaking because I'm, this is my experience. I'm, this is, they've studied it. There's tests that they've done. It's concluded. It's conclusive that you can be, you can smoke weed versus drinking and go drive and you'll operate better. It doesn't mean you'll operate great. It just means that you're far less likely. Yeah. We'll just look at the statistics of people have had like, well, and in Colorado, right? So like? So like as far as like crime and, you know, accidents and all those things, it's all, like it's gone way down. You know what I heard?

It's crazy right now. Who did I just talk to some CHP buddy of mine was saying that they're scared of the whole texting thing. Like supposedly texting is surpassing like drinking and driving and that as far as danger. Like everybody makes sense. Yeah, and you guys notice, like more and more often, I'll be driving the freeway and I'll look to my left,

I'll look to my right. People are texting. Yeah, everyone's just head down. Yeah, everyone's like driving with their head down and they're looking at their lap at the same time. Like, oh, shit, it's crazy, dude. I've actually been at a stoplight like this, right? So, yeah, and I was the second car,

and it was a two-laying goes green and both the two front cars We're looking down there for like green light went all the way to a yellow light before they looked up and as you took off You know what's gonna you know what's gonna happen is they're gonna make it They're gonna make the punishment because right now if you get caught texting in your car It's just a stupid ticket They're gonna turn it into something really big, like drinking and driving. Once they start to make that case and enough, that's the stuff. But I think now that being said, we're this close, I feel, I know, obviously I'm on a podcast,

you can see, I'm holding my fingers up like one inch away, right? We're this close to all the micro piece. All the like Siri and stuff like that like the voice activation being so fucking spawn like hey Siri Hey Siri text Yeah, text I'm here dog producer Tell Doug I think he has a giant giant penis Wow the Catholic even though you messed it up send message to Doug producer says tell Doug I think he has a giant giant penis. Wow. They got that even though you messed it up. Send. Yeah. Done. Like that, bro. What did I tell you

about that's happened? That's happening. That's happening. So it's so quick and easy and it's it's getting that each time this new phone comes out. It's like bro. What did I tell you about you? You probably set off everybody listening to this. Hey, thank you for the text Adam. Yeah. You guys you need to turn your Siri off, dude. It's always listening. Hey, thank you for the text, Adam. Yeah. You got, you need to turn your Siri off, too. It's always listening. Yeah, it's okay. No, it's not okay. I'm not a pro.

I'm not like fucking worried, like my little brother is, like that the government's really watching me. Like I did, I'm not there yet. I'll turn it off when I'm like big shit, bro. When I'm like that big, where like they might be listening to me, like there is a million other people, they're gonna listen to you before they listen

to my bullshit. I'm not running for president. Yeah, they'll get a fuck about what I'm saying about it. That's not happening. And I have no plans to in the future. So it's like, that would make sense too. If you're like,

well, you know, I might get into politics in like 10 or 15 years. Don't want them to hear me talking about all that racist shit or that bullshit shit that I was saying earlier. Jokes with my friends around the campfire, like nah, that's fucking it, whatever dude. I think that's, you guys see all the shit that's coming out something else just came out. Oh man another person got accused.

The sports world right now. They're taking the sports world under right now. So now they're getting into these a lot of these like Brett Farve just got I think it was Brett Farve who got accused of some shit. One of the other. One of the other announcers got so now they're getting all I mean it's all Hollywood still right. So it's all like the other. One of the other announcers got, so now they're getting all, I mean, it's all Hollywood still, right? So it's all like the, the, the,

the far, yeah, all these celebrity announcers and shit that were ex-athletes. A lot of people coming forward on them now. It's getting crazy. Every day in the news, there's like at least one to, one to three people that are like big name people that are getting taken down with the whole sexual harassment thing. Take them down.

And they are, you know, Brennan Shobb and, um, uh, which, yeah, Brian, we're, we're talking, I guess, on their show Katrina told me this and said that they were like, they were all, all the comedians are telling like, dude, what if, I mean, if people were to go back on all the things that you've said are done, like, would you, they're like, fuck, yeah, be in fucking in trouble. Of course, I've said some shit.

I wasn't supposed to say. So at what point does this get out of control? Like at what point, like, right now, we we're all like rooting for these people, like, we're just gonna do the statues of limitations. Right, where's the free speech at? Where do we start to flirt with those guys? So here's the thing, it doesn't matter because if you're, and you learn this in politics,

if you're somebody with a lot of power, or you're doing really well, all it takes is an accusation, it's a, you fucked. It all it takes is somebody to say that you did something back in 1987, that was terrible. Which I feel like that's kind of fucked up, man. You could save an years old. And you could prove that you didn't

or make the case that you didn't, but it doesn't matter, because public opinion, you know how powerful public opinion is when you're a celebrity, it's everything. The public thinks of you as everything. It has nothing to everything. Whether or not you go to jail or not, like that doesn't matter. At this point now, it's everybody thinks that that's who you are and what you did. Right, right. So people can really fuck with you. What do you think about? There was that one football player that went to jail for a few years

and then the girl came out and admitted that she lied that he she said he raped her but then she came out and said she didn't. Oh right. So they let him out but he ended up not playing football. He ended up missing, he losing years of his life because he was in prison. Do you think people who falsely accuse others like that should go to jail? 100% that's what I'm saying. 100% you fuck somebody's life up by that.

You should go the fuck down. It's a big penalty hell yes you should Yeah, it works both ways man You know you want people to take you seriously You know so if you're not if you lie about it then you should be accountable to that Well especially when you're like you could you could potentially fuck someone's entire lot You could set you could change their whole life by doing that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and what's detrimental

And what sucks even someone like that even when they probably I don't even know who you're talking about But when they come out afterwards like that person's already been tarnished. Yeah, like people will still connect that I remember I remember how pissed I was so this I don't know if I share this story on on mind pump, but I was let's see here. This is 2000 and Around 2004 2005 so I'm 20 about 24 years old and I'm managing, this is when I manage Hillsdale. And it was really common. I used to do like these staff barbecues at my house all the time.

So I had a nice little place and I had, I would get the UFC fight, I would throw a barbecue, you know, invite all my trainers and staff over and, you know, and you know, I had most everybody was over 21. So there was only be like a few beers in the fridge. I didn't get an okay, it wasn't a party, it was a barbecue, you know, it was a barbecue and people could have drinks here and there and stuff.

Well, I had done this for years already and never had any problems. Well, this one year I have a new trainer who's working for me, who's at this party and then there's a front desk girl and the front desk girl ends up Claiming that the my trainer ended up trying to force himself on her and it actually happened outside of my house But it happened you know around that time at my party. So we were at the part of the left

Yeah, the other party then they went out You know and the irony of it was you know She was sitting on his lap the whole time while they were watching the fights and they were, look like they were all vibing each other as it was. And then, you know, I went to bed, everybody kind of went to different directions. Some people were still out of my deck talking and kind of hanging out and shit like that. And they went somewhere else on my property out there. And she said that he forced him on her. So I got, I almost, I was this close to getting fired, dude. I mean, they, they brought me in.

And if it wasn't for me being like a top performer, I would, they would have never, they would fucking cut their losses right. What was the, what was the reason for you getting involved? Well, that's because it was, it was for hosting the party, man. Because you had alcohol. Yeah. Were they all under eight?

No, everyone was over, over age. Didn't matter, dude. Didn't matter because something like that happened. They wanted, they wanted to take me down over. And what fucked me, that was 24 years old when that happened, right? So it was a major learning lesson for me about fraternizing with my staff. So from that point on, now you did nothing wrong. And Justin remembers me because these guys, and there were a couple times I came out with them, but for the most part, I'd be like, you know, I can't, I can't party with you guys because of that, what happened to me. So that happened

to me before him. And it forever changed the course of my career there because I was forever blackballed. I was forever the guy that was irresponsible and would do that and it just was fucking bad luck on my part. You know, it was really shitty that I was doing something good because I mean that fuck, they potentially fucked my career. Like in my mind as a kid, like I was on pace to I want to be a VPE, I'm in this way. We were both blackball, bro. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And that was for different reasons. Yeah. My was, I mean, that was the shitty part. And that's what that was kind of the straw that

broke the camel's back. Because the start of it was like, nah, I was also the first club that ever got. So when I started with the company, HR and L.P. didn't exist. Mm-hmm. So lost prevention in HR didn't exist within our company when I started with them. And then I was there. I'm trying to remember the lady's name. That was the long blonde hair. It starts with a J.

It was either Jill or... I don't remember, but I hated her. Yeah, I didn't like her at all. I hated her. Yeah, I didn't like her at all. Well, so she was the evil bitch. She was, she was, I don't know if I remember. She came into the company and she was super, I mean,

they came in a clean house, right? This company grew to a billion dollar company that had over 300 something clubs, thousands of employees working for it. She used to start a mission. With no HR, right? So it was the wild, wild west when we were there back then. I mean, you could, what was really, and this was common. This was like a normal thing because we used to sell, we used to sell, um, memberships

with personal training attached to it And it was but the people that were buying the membership they didn't know any better They just said okay, it's $800 for three years and you have your renewal and you have five personal training sessions that come with it But you were really charged for the personal training separately It was like $240 and then the membership was you know really like $500 some dollars whatever right so a lot of these members They didn't want a personal trainer, you know, about, I'd say 20%, 20% or 30%, people had five personal trainers.

Some of them just got it for the price. So something that was super normal would be people, trainers would clock those hours in. And that sounds crazy, like it's something that they would do what you would do is you would call these people to get in, and they'd be like, no, thank you, no, thank you, I don't want it.

And then you say, okay, we'll come in, sign them off and say you don't want them. And they'd sign the signatures off, and then your trainers would clock them in for hours. That was the fucking thing that everybody did. Everybody did that. For obvious reasons, not good for the company. Right, right, obviously not good for the company.

And obviously they want to clean that up. Well, guess what? I'm the very first club. I'm only a manager for maybe six months at this time on the first club that gets audited now I'm on I'm not on the impression like this and I know that it's coming right they tell you like you know HR is coming around these are the things they're looking for they're doing so my staff is like I got all my staff on point We're not doing shit like that. They're changing the guard. It's a new, but what do they do they go to my file cabinet

You go to my files that I have have that have got the last five years before. And they start pulling files and they start going back. Here's the problem. The problem is you kept files. Yeah, it should be like me. So this is what happens to me. So on the first guy that gets audited, on the very first club in the Bay Area, they get audited by this chick, right? So they come in and they audit me. And of course, you checked my last five years, fucking almost every trainer that's worked there. It was caught for this. So of course, they can't fire the whole staff and fire me. So I get this huge warning. There's this big old doing. Well, I call all the rest of my peers and tell guys like you, Hey, they're coming in. And this is

what they're looking for. Get rid of any documentation that you have. So they everybody else fucking shredded their shit, lit it on fire, got rid of any of these old files that could get them in trouble. And so I was the guy who was known for having the club that had all the bad dirty trainers that were for them. And it's like, no, you motherfucker, everybody did it. I just happened to be the first one. And then so first I was blackball for that. Well, the way a lot of clubs would do it too is they would have the trainers get those signed off but then work the floor. You're getting paid.

Yeah, they still had a work. They still were on the clock and so that, but it was fraudulent, 100% it was fraudulent. But you know, as a 20 year old kid, when I came in, I was trained to do that. I was taught like, oh, this is what you do. You know, if they don't want them, you sign them off and you can just clock them in when you're doing your

floor hours and get paid more. I was like, oh, cool. So I was on the hustle whenever I could to get people who, if you didn't want them, I would work off, then you can just clock them in when you're doing your floor hours and get paid more. I was like, oh, cool. So I was on the hustle whenever I could to get people who, if you didn't want them, I would work my ass off to convince you to come in to sign them off. So I could get paid more money while I was working the floor. So yeah, it just sucks that it was, that happened first. It took me a good four or five years to, to get my name back

like as far, then I'm the top guy forever, right? And so now I'm getting looked at like, okay, he's the man. Maybe I'm up in line for being a D. And then that happens. And then that happens. It was just like, that was it, it was over for me. You know what I'm saying? From then on, I was like, they're forever gonna keep me

in this position, you know, because they're not gonna fall. If there's a list, if there was a list in those days, they've like, like the actual black list, right? Of these top performers, we can't get rid of, but we can't really do anything else with them because they're, you know, I guarantee you, I know Adam's name was on there and my name was on there for sure. For sure. And mine was on there being there because I had a big mouth.

Yeah. Because I used to talk a lot of shit. And because I did walk out. That's right. I did walk out quite like that. You did that in the whole staff left with me. I forgot about that part. That was pretty.

Just a few. That was pretty bad. Dude, so I got to give you a you share a little story with you guys. Either my girlfriend has the best immune system on the planet or that four-sigmatic chaga is fucking magic. Oh, is she been taking a consistent one? So she had... I wish I liked it more.

So people are getting, you don't like the taste? Yeah, I can't get mushrooms, bro. I know, I know I'm having a really hard time getting by it. You gotta give me some, you gotta come up with some, there's gotta be some recipes for it to make it better. It's fucking, just drink it. You just love the health benefits of it. Fuck you, bro.

You're a fucking weirdo. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You're talking about the tincture. I'm talking about the four-signatic powder that they actually, that they have, they play a little bit. I'm not a big fan of it. I'm not a big fan of the taste either.

So I'm trying to, and you gotta remember right now, you got me taking all this other shit, two that tastes like dog shit. I can't just eat dog shit all day long, just because just for the better amount. I can't. You make it sound like it's a big bowl of dog shit that you do.

It's literally fucking, you can put it in six, I didn't even six ounces of water and just shoot it. That's, I mean, that's what I have, but it still leaves eight. The ashwaganda, the tincture is, Oh, mean, that's what I have to, but it still leaves eight. The ashwaganda, the tincture is... Oh, tincture's dead, tincture's in a whole other ballroom. That's what I'm talking about.

Well, you remember, you got me doing that too. So I'm doing that, plus I'm taking the pills, plus I'm putting red lights on my balls, I'm doing all kinds of shit right now. Oh, you're doing the red lights on the balls too. Yeah, I'm doing all this kind of crazy shit. Well, hold on a second, the red lights are still in here. You've been shining your balls on the gym.

Yeah, whatever I can, I'm gonna take it home though, by the way. Please, thank you. And don't touch your balls on it. I Yeah, whatever I can. I'm gonna take it home though, by the way. Please, thank you. And don't touch your balls on it. I don't want that happening. Taylor gets all uncomfortable. I don't want to sit in my pants down. I don't want ball. Yeah, to be careful on you.

I don't think you're supposed to get closer in the second inches. Yeah, that's close that gap. Yeah, exactly. He still gives you two inches. He's just getting excited. So anyway, Mike, so my girl was, because I had some kind of virus,

and I think that's why I got that vertigo, which I had another fucking episode this morning. But anyway, she got really, like, she got swollen glands, she was getting really hot, her ear hurt, she had, look like she had a fever. So I give her elderberry, and then I give her chaga, and she goes to sleep, and fucking, she wakes up with nothing totally fine totally fine

I really believe I believe that we all have like this window like when you feel like something coming on and like being Proactive versus like am I sick? I'm not sure. I don't know man some people's immune systems are just my girl just you know But I gave her the chaga so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna and they are we are sponsored by them So I'm gonna give them credit for a magnetic chaga cured her illness I won't you because you're the one who you you drink the most and I'm not I'm totally not Anti drinking it because but I feel like I'm already drinking coffee. I have my like my warrant We drink tea everyone hot'm already drinking coffee. I have my, like my warrant, we drink tea, everyone hot tea, everyone's well. I got to be a way to dress it up.

Yes, this is what you got to be a way to dress it up. You know when you drink your diet coke? I haven't been drinking that right now. Don't lie to me. No, I'm not, I'm not right now. Back to just Katrina wanted to pick up Coke Zero and I'm like, no, we've had it, we had it the week before. You had no, you had no diet coke the past couple days.

Not a couple days, yeah, yeah. I had it about a week ago. Oh, it's not bad. Yeah, I had like steaming. No, dude, I'm very, I'm, I openly admit and talk about this show of so others can grow and learn from my bullshit, doesn't, but I do not like condone people drinking diet coax every single day.

And I for sure can become that guy. And I'm very aware when I've been putting some streaking through, and for me it's easy because I feel like I my body Expresses it when I'm drinking diet sodas. I definitely hold water weight in my face. We always talk about my fat face, right? So yes all the time. It's me and Justin talking We're talking about it. It's extra bad when I'm drinking soda or if I got wheat if I've if I got gluten in the diet So if I got gluten in the diet if I'm I got gluten in the diet, if I'm drinking soda, those two things, and my psoriasis, like psoriasis

not so much connected to the diet soda. That's more to the wheat. Yeah, that's more to the wheat side, but the puffiness and the holding water for sure to the soda, like I definitely get bloated from it, and you know, it's crazy. It's, and I never really noticed this until I really tried to actively stop drinking so much.

After my first drink of the soda soda as much as I love it, I have to do this major burp right afterwards. Like right away, and my burps are nasty. And so it's like, my stomach's like telling me, it doesn't belong to me. All this sounds amazing. But yeah, it's crazy because I'm addicted to the artificial sweetener that's in it.

And so my body, I want it, right? My brain wants it, but my stomach is obviously rejecting it. I don't burp all day long, but I'll send it and I take a sip of it. It's also the aspartame in there. Some people will argue can act like an excitotoxin to your brain. So it might not be good for your brain either. So I would suggest using lion's mane to combat brain. So it might not be good for your brain either. So I would suggest using lion's mane to combat that. And I don't know. And every time I openly talk about stuff,

I get this flood of fucking like advice, dude. Like, so I got it. I know I'm not supposed to be drinking. I openly share it with you guys. You guys know we're fucking human too. And I do. I get a ton of DMs. Do do do do do, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. Everybody wants to be the professional the fuck I told me I did with that hand on my fucking issue here. Sometimes it's helpful though, you know? Like, you know, even you found and researched,

you know, as far as my heartburns concerned, somebody else DM me like the same exact thing. Right, maybe you should try, you know, this and the H.E.L. pills and I'm like, okay, fuck it, you know, if I'm getting this from a couple of people, I'll give it a shot. The best advice I've got so far with the whole psoriasis and issues I deal with has been the vitamin D thing, for sure.

But that was a missing piece that I hadn't connected yet and that's helped out. As far as like the whole soda thing, that's purely an addiction thing. I'm purely addicted to artificial sweeteners. I'm 100% aware of it. And, you know, I also want to live my life too. There's certain things that I like a soda with,

and I just prefer diet soda over regular soda. I don't regular soda is just way over sweet for me. I don't like the way it tastes. It's just the, and there's certain things that I want that with. And so I try and find balance to where it's like, that's not something I want to catch myself doing every single day, but it's something that, when I occasionally want it with something I do that.

But I know real quick, when I haven't had it in a while and I introduce it, it's, you know, you notice right away, like how fast my body gets back to wanting it all the time. So we got some goodies from. Oh, I was like waiting for the bird. Yeah, we're doing another unboxing. Ooh, we are. We are. Unboxing. What did you get us today, Doug? Oh, you know, it's three days to Christmas when this airs

So I got some holiday stuff. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I forget Christmas is coming. I know it's like right So sweet, yeah, sweet king. All right. What's what's what's first? Doug did you get one something for each of us or one thing for all of us? No, we can share it Okay, I'm not sharing What's first, did you get one something for each of us or one thing for all of us? No, we can share it. Okay. A lot of sharing. Look at that. We're not good at sharing. We've got ourselves a gluten-free, graham cracker crust.

Anybody who wants to make it for pie. Oh, wow. Look at this. Look at cheesecake pie, I saw. Oh, that's good. Oh, that is cool. Feel less horrible about myself. And some organic pudding. Oh.

So you can fill that pie with that pudding. I feel like Adam loves pudding. Yeah, I tell us once you were a big pudding fan. Did you buy that protein pudding? I didn't. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's what you're thinking about it. That's what I was thinking about.

Yeah. I haven't had pudding in a really long time. Oh, that would be interesting. I used to have like tapioca. Oh, I love tapioca. I used to love it. I liked it. I liked the chocolate.

Yes, he chocolate. I'm not a big chocolate guy. Like a chocolate pudding, chocolate ice cream, two chocolate. Yeah, I'm just like it. I liked the chocolate. Yeah, see chocolate. I don't like I'm not a big I'm never been a chocolate guy like a chocolate pudding chocolate ice cream to two chocolate. Yeah, I'm just like chocolate Pima. I'm a vanilla. I'm a vanilla guy. Yeah, are you vanilla chocolate? Yeah, you're vanilla to are you just so your chocolate? Justin's chocolate. He's like your girl. Yeah, I like that. I could see chocolate all over his face Can you picture heavy nice cream go just? Everything ends up all over my face. I don't have to. Yeah, exactly.

Guys always like take pictures, talk shit, and it's fine. All right, Doug. All right. We got coconut cream in a can. Oh, excellent. I'll say that. Organic, heavy coconut cream. That's cool.

So if you want to make a bulking shake, you want to gain weight and you can't have dairy. It's like a topper. Like a non-dairy or throw some of that in your coffee. Doug just basically put together an excellent pie. Are you making us a pudding pie right now? Oh yeah. What's next? Oh another can of that. Okay good. So two of those. You know, I want to try. Now that you you refill the nitro brew, I'm going to take that coconut cream and mix it with some of our nitrous. Good idea I bet you make a genius. Yes, that's going down right now. Did you order Justin's organic dildo finally? I Has to be organic

Like I asked the like bio disintegrate or something Okay, we got some epic bone broth and it's turkey cranberry saved. Oh, I love that now I know you fuck with the bone broth the most like do you what do you put like just put it on your steak or what do you what do you Slap what do you where do you use it the most what do you mean what right just drink it? What you just we is the worst that you never had soup. I'm glad we have some people that connect with you Hold on a second. You never had soup in the soup. You never drink soup. Yeah, of course, okay It's the same fucking thing you warm it up and you drink it like soup.

It tastes good like that? Fuck, that's good. Really? Yes. It's good. I liked it on my steak, you know what I'm saying? It's like a good vegetable. Like a gel on your steak.

It goes with the steak good, but I can't imagine. Drink it. It's the last thing there. No, we have more. This is epic turkey bites. Oh, beef turkey or turkey jerky? Oh man. Turkey jerky.

Turkey jerky. Dude, we have a whole family of turkey that just like. Now, is this all Thrive Market brand or these other off brands? No, these are all different brands. Okay. No Thrive in this one. No Thrive in this one.

Except for these that Justin's asked for peanuts. Cause I'd never get peanuts. Yes. You miss them sort of. I'm a peanut fan. No, are they salt, no, no, no, you misunderstood. He did it just didn't say I don't he did not say I'm salty peanuts. He said penis. I want penis penis. Peanuts. Are those are those salty or unsalty? Yeah, I was just hitting on them. They're salted. Oh, they're salted. Oh, good. That sounds

good right now. Yeah. The last thing is we got some organic candy cane. So they must be healthy. You guys see the posted it a bit late? Candy canes. So we did candy canes this year. So our Christmas tree upstairs is like, I had themed, right? Have I ever told you guys my issue with Christmas trees and the whole thing and the whole theme?

No, I know you go all out with these decorations. Yeah, so I'm all into the decoration thing. But I'm also going back to, it's funny how these things like I didn't put this together till I got older Like when I first started I first got my house and then I started Christmas decorating. I do like um You know, go all out on it, but I it has to I like it to look fucking really good And when I was a kid like we just we couldn't do that We couldn't afford all these really cool decorations all over the house and with that So my mom may do with what we had in shit and it looked like fucking Charlie brown

isk you know I'm saying like our Christmas tree with it we had the Christmas tree that had like popcorn on it had to fucking all the different colors match the top lights were like solid red the bottom ones were like the like now multicolored and then one more string of the strand was like flashing. It was just like, you know, whatever we could put together to put it all together. And now the rest of my siblings, I think they all love it like that. And that's fine. But for me, like, I like the macy's tree, you know, like it has to, it's like, it has a theme. It's themed. It has a color.

It has a color coordinated like the lights match with the ornaments that you have on there. So what's your theme? This year, it's just, it's red. It's red and white, right? So everything's red. Everything's red and white. So all the lights are red or white. All the ornaments that you have on there. So what's your theme? This year it's just, it's red, it's red and white, right? So everything's red, everything's red and white. So all the lights are red or white, all the ornaments are red or white, and there's candy canes because it's red and white.

So this year we did candy canes. Well, I haven't done candy canes on my tree in a long time. We put them on, we put them all over the tree, not thinking that the boys would want peppermint candy. You're dark, Dana. Yeah. And I don't know why I didn't, it gets sick. No, they were fine why I didn't. They get sick.

No, they were fine because they only had, they only had one. That was the, I saw, we saw the wrapper on the floor and the, oh, son of a bitch. But remember last year, I told you guys what happened with Bentley where, you know, he ate a joint, he ate the whole joint because it was wrapped in peppermint, wrapping. And I should have fucking thought of that.

I totally forgot about that. I didn't think that the dogs would go, they're not like that. They don't go eat just anything They're like super particular about what they eat and they I didn't think they would eat that peppermint He must like peppermits. So Bentley has a thing for peppermits. He's a Christmas dog Bring on the bird This quaz brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give

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You know, I always tell people, what's your experience with this? So I tell people tons of water because I think that the most common thing I think people don't drink a lot of water during this time. I think if I were to look back at all the times that I was sick, I neglect how much fluid that I'm drinking. And anecdotally speaking, when I make myself,

like I go, okay, I'm gonna get a half a gallon of a gallon of water today while I'm still in there. I feel so much better, so much, I recover a lot faster. So that's all normally like the first go to, I say that, you've got me on the Edelberry going, now doing that every time. Elderberry.

I say Edelberry. I keep doing that. I love trying to do something. You just battle ass. You love that, I love that. You love that. If you were to all of a sudden start pronouncing all words accurately, I'd be sad inside.

Can we? I love that. I thought we need an audible book. You know, if we ever do a mind pump book, I want Amdry to read it. You have to. Yeah. I love that you do. You know, I'm so, you know why?

This is why it works to you. It's charming. Most really, really other intelligent men that I need. It's just you have a lazy tone. They hate it. It is. It is. Because the brain's equal.

The brain's like, if you were to ask me to take like a sp- like all the words that I fuck up, the brain's, like if you were to ask me to take like all the words that I fuck up, the irony in this is if you were to ask me to have to like a spelling test, like you gave me all the words, I thought, I'll spell it right. If I had to sit there, sound it out, dude, but for some reason my tongue just don't keep up with what the fuck's going through the brain every now and then. Instead, we've said it. I had those of me doing it in time. You think I'd fucking know how to say it, right?

You know, the irony of this, so old wisdom, sorry, I'm meeting some of this drive market jerky. Yeah, turkey jerky. So the irony of this is, that's an old added, it's been around for a long time, in fact, some of the earliest records of this advice of feeding a cold, starving a fever, date back to 1500s, believe it or not.

Wow, that's the oldest that we've seen, but we've also heard, you know, philosophers talking about how fasting is the best way to cure an illness. Yeah. Yeah. So this advice has been around for a long time. And one of the things that we tend to do with old advice is if it doesn't have scientific study backing it, we dismiss it. We dismiss it completely. But the reason why something has lasted as long as it's lasted, it's worked for a lot of people.

Is that there may be some truth? And we find, say, and this is definitely one of those, I feel like I've applied for the most part. I mean, and it has held up just in my own experience with people around me. Yeah, we find this to be, in fact, actually, okay, so the funny thing is I actually looked this up, when I was writing the question down, I looked it up and they did do a study on this, on this exact thing,

and they found that with animals, with mice, when they have a viral infection, if they feed them, they tend to get better sooner. If they have a bacterial infection, if they feed them, not only do they not get better sooner, but some of them actually die. Well, that makes sense because you're feeding the infection, right?

You're feeding the bacterial infection if you're giving it food. So by starving it, you're hoping you're gonna start off and kill it, kill it, right? They took it a step further, and they said, okay, well, what is it about the food that is causing the infection caused by bacteria to get worse? And so they took these mice, and they gave them

this drug that blocks glucose metabolism, so that they could feed the animals or whatever, and they're not gonna process sugar sugar and the animals did just fine. So they identified it was a sugar. It was glucose or carbohydrates or sugar that was bad for bacterial infection. And the theory, the current theory is that some of these bacteria produce these inflammatory byproducts that affect the brain. And if the brain runs off of ketones, then it can handle it much better.

If it's running off of sugar, it can't, because sugar itself, sugar metabolism causes a lot more waste products. In fact, scientists will say that running off of ketones is a cleaner source of fuel for the brain. This is why people in, you know, have like Alzheimer's and stuff seem to do better when they go on a ketogenic diet or when they supplement what you do.

That sharpness, that clarity, you know, when you fast it for all the time. Glucose metabolism, you can have an issue with glucose metabolism. So what they're saying, what the researchers are saying is that, you know, starving a fever is probably a smart thing and feeding a cold, which is viral, because colds are viral. It's also probably a smart thing. Here's the thing, I thought about this for a second afterwards as well, and I said, okay, am I hungry when I have a cold?

And the answer is yes, when I have a cold, I usually don't have a problem with my appetite, but when I have a fever, I for sure don't wanna eat. For sure when I have a fever, I wanna stay away from food. And this is observed in all animals. When there's an acute infection, all animals will self-administer form of anorexia where they don't want to eat. Right. You see, they're very insubstant.

You just talked about this the other day. This is what you see with dogs. Like dogs, if they have a stomach, there's got something going on with their stomach and they're bothered by it, though, they're not going to eat their food Like, you put a bowl of food in front of them. They won't eat it. They'll go out, eat grass, make themselves throw up and they won't, they'll stay, they'll refrain from food. And it's also when you know to take your dog in was if he hasn't ate any food for a, you know, 24 or 48 hours, he keeps going on like that.

Then you take them in because you're not, right. That he could have something seriously going on inside of him, right? Yeah. So it's like a normal little thing. It's funny because we tend to forget listening to our body. We want to ignore it so bad. We think we know what's best and your body's literally telling you, don't eat.

So that's probably what's going to be best for it. Fluids are important, though. I think what, like you said, dehydration is one of the big especially with kids. When kids are sick. Yeah. That's what I, you get the most common thing. That's the most common thing for me with like clients

and helping people and myself that has been the biggest game changer was, and I remember it wasn't until like years later being a trainer that I like ever even like looked into my, I paid attention like how much water do I drink? I'm like, and I like had my gal and I was like, oh shit, like I'm laying around for two, three days sick and I didn't even put put a whole two glasses of water

down. Like, let me try and, like, actively drink and drink and drink and flush and flush and then also, and I was like, oh shit, I went through that cold way faster by making sure that I was drinking a lot of fluid. So that's the first one. But let's talk about, I mean, since we're here, what are some of the tips that you guys give clients

and protocols like nutritionally liquid or fluid wise, everything like that that you would do for each of these? I know you're big on also zinc too zinc isn't yeah, so so if you're so few things if you're getting sick or you feel like you're getting sick rest is very important. That doesn't mean you need to necessarily not move or doing So what about the whole theory of sweating it out? Like going in a sauna or doing cardio to sweat. I know people that have done that before too, where they don't feel good and they intentionally try and go to sweat sweat out. The problem's just like a rhino virus versus sleep. No, see, here's the problem.

The problem with stressing your body with exercise, exercise strengthens the immune system afterwards. I agree, I just want to hear what you had to say. No, during, in fact, there's been cases of people having infections and then forcing themselves to work out and getting the infection so bad that they die because it's forced the infection deeper into the lungs or it's forced the infection through the bloodstream to the heart. Exercise temporarily weakens the immune system because it's a stress on the body.

Now, that doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything like I think going outside, getting some fresh air and some sunlight and going for a walk is probably a good thing partially because you're getting some... It's circulation-wise, too. Yeah, and you're also getting some sunshine and that vitamin D is good for that, but I would avoid foods that irritate your gut because your gut, if your gut is off, you get that kind of inflammation, it's gonna inhibit your body,

or reduce your body's ability to fight infection. So I would stay away from foods I'm intolerant to. I would rest, not exercise. Elderberries, one of the few natural things that has been shown to actually reduce the ability of a virus to replicate. So I would go out. What about echin Asia of Echinasia.

Echinasia's up in the air. The studies on Echinasia are 50-50, as to whether or not it's beneficial or not. So but that's one of them, right? Chaga, we just talked about chaga. Chinese medicine will recommend mushrooms quite a bit. Chaga being one of them, right? She being another one.

Forcing medics like that got good ones. Zinc, Laws and Gis, when you suck on zinc, it, the coating of zinc in the back of the throat, it creates a surface where the rhino virus can't adhere to and replicate. So then it just goes down and you digest it.

So you don't replicate the virus in the back of your throat and get the sore throat and all that stuff Well, and you see two people like they want to get as much vitamin C as possible Which I always am like very cautious because like there's these products like your your vitamin C like the instant vitamin C And they try and like overly do vitamin C like crazy not knowing you know, it's a it's a vitamin Just like any any of the, you can overdo it. So most studies will show no benefit from vitamin C, but some studies show that in the early stages of a viral infection, if you mega dose vitamin C,

it reduces the severity and then cuts off days off of it. Which is why there's a huge market around emergency and airborne, it's like you came up. But you got to hit it early, right? That's the key. That's what I meant earlier when we talked about that. I really feel like, and that's a major, like there is, I believe everybody has this window

and it's uniquely different for everybody that, okay, if I even think remotely my body's filling off and I get on top of that and I start drinking the emergency early, I do tend to feel like sometimes I can either one, mitigate how bad the cold is, or go through it a lot faster versus me going like, I'm not sure if I don't feel well.

I think I'm okay. And then waking up the more I'm going like, oh fuck, I'm sick. You know, and then by that time it's too late. Emergency, I can take all the emergency I want. I don't feel like I'm gonna get it. Yeah, the biggest thing, because we're in the season right,

where people are getting sick. That's why this is a good question. The biggest one is when you get a viral infection or a viral, you know, sickness, like a cold, and then it turns into a secondary acute bacterial infection. Or so, a lot of times you'll see people who'll get a cold, and then the cold will kind of start to go away, but then they get a sinus infection. And this is a big problem with a lot of people because then in sinus infection, now you're dealing with something that

is a big pain in the ass. Most sinus infections are viral, contrary to popular belief, most of them are not bacterial, but one of the best ways to prevent a sinus infection is to keep mucus moving or draining properly. So steam is really good. Musin X, I don't know if you guys ever take, you know, the drug musin X or whatever, it

thins, that thins mucus, so that can help. I actually read a study that when people did musin X and psuitofet at the early stages of a cold, it like dramatically reduced their potential or their infection rate. We got that flush that people do too for nasal flush. You're talking about the nettipot. Nettipot. So nettipot's good for allergies, but let's say you have bacteria in your sinuses

or you have inflammation in there and you don't want to be squirting that out there when you're all in sleep. Or let's say you have a virus, right? Sometimes blowing your nose really, really hard or using a nettie pot will force the virus into the smaller crevices of the sinuses that don't necessarily drain as well.

And then they sit there and then that's when it manifests into a sinus infection that's happened to me before where I have a problem. Yeah, I've only used the nettie pot for my allergies. I haven't ever used it. I use it a lot. No, I use it a lot for my, it's a game change. So just the other day we had that really windy day we had,

dust everywhere and so I thought, man, you heard me this morning sneezing already. Like my allergies have been on fire the last few days because of that really windy day. Going in there and doing a nettie pot, like night and day difference for me for that. Like I wouldn't use it for, I've never used it for cold or a sickness like that.

Yeah, cool thing too about something like elder bears, you can give it to your kids. So that's what I do when my kids start getting sick, I'll give them the elder bear. And it's like I said, it's the only, one of the only few things that actually has real studies showing that it, it has some efficacy against. What's your, the flu? What's your thoughts on this? So again, I'm speaking, this is totally anecdotal like with myself. I always always somebody used to, I used to get sick a lot. Like it was multiple times a year, I get, I get a pretty good cold and it would knock me down for a couple days. Um, and I used to just think it was, oh, I have a week of immune system and I'm around, you know, a lot of people touching a lot of weights. That's just me. I don't hardly ever get sick. And the

one thing that I've noticed that was the biggest difference. And I and I feel like this is connected to this was when I started doing a lot of hot cold contrast. I felt like when I started training training, it's an interesting thought. A whole the hot cold contrast, it changed the game for me with getting cold. It was it was immediately that year that going forward after that where I was like, I don't ever get sick anymore. I feel like I never get sick. And then when I think it was there, it wasn't as nowhere near as bad.

And the only time I would even really get sick was especially when I was in Chicago and the extreme going from that 30 degree below and then getting into a spring where it was all said, now it's 80, 90 degrees and just that sharp contrast would just hammer me and then I would feel the effects coming on. It's got immune boosting effects, for sure. There's a lot of little things you do,

or a lot of things you can do, that'll boost your immune system, or strengthen, or balance your immune system. But nothing, nothing is more important than having a healthy gut for the immune system. That's a fact, 100%. If you're... Okay, so since you say that,

then that is the argument then to what I've been doing, because I've also changed my diet ever since we went keto, I know I don't even come close to consuming the amount of process foods, carbohydrates and things that I used to in the past. So, I mean,

you could attribute it to being having a better gut in addition to also training. Well, that, because it was a drastic difference for me. I mean, I'm not kidding, I get sick quite a better gut in addition to also training. Well, that, and- Because it was a drastic difference for me. I mean, I'm not kidding. Like, I get sick quite a few times in a year, and Katrina and I were just talking about this the day. She's like, man, I was sick around you,

I was sick around you, and you didn't get sick. Like, I'm like, I know, I don't ever get sick now. It's crazy. I used to, I remember when we first started the podcast, and you'd come in, I'd be so mad at you, I'm like, fuck. I'm sick. Yeah, I'm getting it. 100%. Like, there's no way I'm not getting it. I have that week of immune system that I, if I was close to somebody who was sick, it was inevitable I'm like fuck. I'm saying, yeah, 100%. Like there's no way I'm not getting it. I have that week of immune system that I,

if I was close to somebody who was sick, it was inevitable I'm getting it and I would get it worse than you. Where I've been around you guys and you guys have all been sick in the last- How you make out all the time? Yeah, yeah. I've never been sick.

So if you say that God, I mean maybe it's a combination of that, right? Of me, my God, and in addition to that, training the hot cold contrast, that's been the biggest game-train. Well, that said too, so as far as consuming fermented foods and introducing a better bacteria in there, what do you suggest of that?

As far as kombucha's and adding in maybe that is some form. You know, fermented foods have been staple foods for humans for a long time, and they have health benefits, but it's beyond that. Really, it's just preventing the constant inflammation that we cause and are got the damage. Like, if you just do that, I think you've probably, you're 90-something percent there, you know, I mean, just reduce your exposure to foods that cause problems for you with your gut and a lot of it is these highly processed type of foods that we eat

or foods that we eat that give us indigestion or these little minor issues that we tend to ignore. Like avoid those for a while and see what happens. You don't want to add more gasoline to the problem. Next question is from Maloha Jewels. my husband recently bought Maps Performance. He would like to implement it along with CrossFit. In your interview with Jason Calipa, he said he could see benefits of Crossfitters using Maps Performance.

Any suggestions on how to do both would be great. That's an interesting question. So Maps Performance is the program that we have that's based around, we call full spectrum athletic performance. So the ability to be able to do multiple forms of activity, strength, speed, agility, and different planes of movement, good mobility. A general athletic pursuits that are just going to benefit you in any direction.

Now, nothing's going to get you better at doing CrossFit than doing CrossFit. This isn't really tough because I actually don't think. This is so specific. Right. Maps performance was actually our answer to CrossFit. For people who love to do that type of a workout, you'll get a similar feel. Right. It was designed to... It was better programming in our opinion

that was more organized than just the law of the day. So it was really more the answer to CrossFit. Honestly, I feel like if someone was to use something in conjunction with CrossFit, like you're like, I want to be good at CrossFit, I'm going to cross it. I would recommend Prime and Prime Pro with it. That complements CrossFit better.

If you're in CrossFit, right? So like, I look at it like this, like if this is like your offseason training, if you actually took an offseason for a sport like CrossFit, if you treat CrossFit as a sport, right? So if I went through that and I went to my foundational pursuits of like, I wanna build up my max strength, I wanna build up, you know, strength in multiple directions, I wanna build up my want to build up my max strength, I want to build up strength in multiple directions,

I want to build up my endurance and build up my tank and my capacity like that's maps performance. I'm reinforcing all those pursuits and then that goes into season which now cross what I'm working on the skill specifically. So you would have to kind of, if you're yet have to still incorporate CrossFit, but like a very light version of that,

just to maintain the skill of going to those movements. What would you do? I'm thinking too, you gotta think of our mobility days on there. I would either one, I would follow my CrossFit days, and then every other day do my mobility days, or I would do like you said, I would follow Maps performance to a T leading up to my CrossFit programming,

but I'm assuming that this person probably belongs to a CrossFit gym, they're paying a hundred something bucks a month or whatever it is, and they're working out there with a class. How do you incorporate maps performance in that setting? I would say, that's, I would say the maps performance has three foundational or for what we call foundation

with a hard workout so we and then in between our mobility sessions I would say do if you want to do both do one wad a week and do two pick two foundational work out a week for That's a good stretch. So now you've got your three intense workouts and then do all the mobility sessions in between right for sure And then you be pretty much I like that. I think you be pretty much that I like that if you're really into Crossfit and you're going to compete in CrossFit, you're going to probably want to follow specific CrossFit programming. If that's your goal.

Now, if your goal is because you like to take CrossFit classes, you like to be in the box, you like to, that's your kind of workout that you enjoy, you want to be fit, then what I just said, two Math Performance Foundation workouts, one wad, and you're setting, it's got a similar feel. Yeah. You know, it's got, if you enjoy that type of a workout,

it's going to be similar with Math Performance. It's just, we programmed it away, where we eliminated some of the movements in the programming of CrossFit that can cause problems, and we replaced them with others. We put them in different orders. Yeah, and I like your guys' idea of like really having them focus on prime, prime, prime

probe. Right. Because I also look at it, if you look at it like an Iron Man, like somebody's pursuing like an Iron Man where they're having to do multiple things to their body where it's like, man, their joints are really getting exposed because their output is so high. And so, you know, your output's very high going through these like rigorous workouts. So, you know, that's the, that's the real focus is like, how do I preserve my body? To me, that's what I, anybody who's a cross fitter that's like, oh, I love CrossFit, but

what would you guys recommend to me? It's always Prime Prime Pro. Prime Prime Pro, to me, because it, because it can compliment what you're already currently doing, you don't need to really change what you're doing. Like if you're like, Sal said, you love the classes, you love following the water the day and so with that, you're not really hung up on, is this the best programming for me to get the most results? You're just about the whole process of enjoying the process.

Then that's fine. You could totally still do that. And by introducing prime and prime pro into your routine, pre-post workout and on your off days, that right there is gonna compliment your crossfit, you know, whatever they could, I don't even like calling it programming because it's not programming, it's wads, right?

Your crossfit wads, I think that's a great way to do it. Jacob T. Mertins, what fitness categories do you see breaking through in the future? Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I'm just gonna wrap my brain around that one. What do you see breaking through in the future? Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my brain around that one. What do I see? What do we see that's kind of blowing up right now? Fitness categories?

Yeah, I wish we gave an example of what he meant by a category because there's a lot of things I can think of right now. Like modalities, like different modality. Like do we see it like another CrossFit arising or like another ornisteria or something like that coming up? Like is it, are we going that direction? I like, are we it like another CrossFit arising or like another ornisteria or something like that coming up like is it? Are we doing that? I like are we talking like VR? Are we talking like, you know, like brain training? Like so I do that's not where my mind is.

Okay, so that's a good direction. I think there's there and we're seeing it happen right now this you know, we just interviewed Dave Asprey recently and there is this huge push around the whole training the brain. Like training the brain is becoming so important and so cool and so trendy right now that that's turning into a whole category that I think that some people will be like, oh, you train this? Oh, I'm into training my brain. You know, I train my brain. I don't know about it.

You might be living to weights. I don't care about my brain. It's my operating system that runs everything. So you could have cool muscles, but if you're not training your brain, you know, I train my brain. I don't know about it. You might be living to weights. I don't care about my brain, which is my operating system that runs everything. So you could have cool muscles, but if you're not training your brain, you know, like so, I feel like with all the new tropics and everything coming out and stuff like that and all the different, you know, putting stuff on your head, halo and all that shit like that. So I think that's a good, that's a good one. I think it's easy.

So tribalism is a very, something very predictable with people. So if you create some kind of a tribe field of something, then it's gonna get popular. So an intensity is something that's very attractive in fitness. Anytime you get a group of people together and you beat them up really hard with some kind of very experienced, you know, like a war story.

Yeah, then you're going to you're going to tap into something that has got some type of viral quality. You know CrossFit did it, you know, Orange Theory's doing it. I see that being I see I don't see I see that continue to grow. I see more small group type training with different themes or different, you know, fads and all that. I see it. Okay. So I see it more like peloton. You guys are familiar with that, which is, yeah, so it's, you're on a bike and you have

a screen and all of a sudden everybody like logs in and it's like a streaming where you see everybody else like in their house, like riding a bike. You know, you have a shared experience, but it's virtual. So I feel like, and that's why I brought VR too, because it might get to that point where you put goggles on and everybody's hanging out, you know, kind of like Facebook. It's like, hey, this is my friends, but they're not real.

But, you know, like, the real is not here. You know what's weird? Because I was in the gym yesterday, and I was listening. This girl was doing a workout just by herself, but you could hear the voice of somebody that was coaching her through all these movements. And it was very like every little step she was just doing everything to exactly what this instructor was telling her to do.

And I was like, oh, it's interesting. I wonder if that's a thing. People are downloading this audio to where it's telling them, okay, now we're starting and then they actually grab the weights and, you know, do all this stuff like from the virtual chart. You know what hasn't made a, you know what's going to probably make a resurgence? Because fitness is so cyclical. I was going to say we should look at history more than anything else because history always repeats itself. In one form of another, right? Yeah, so, so weights in kettlebells and irons

been kind of popular for a little while. I bet you there's gonna be a body weight movement. That's gonna explode. I bet you there's gonna be like, some kind of like that. That's going on right now. It is. Yeah, but I could see that being the big thing

where it becomes this big tribe or doing it. It's already. Which ones better weights or body weight? Well, when you look at people like Juji and who's another guy that I talk to all time. I think is Michael Velasquez or Michael Chauvin. I forget his name, but he's got like, I don't know, quarter a million followers or whatever.

And he does all kinds of cool like break dancing, body weight, exercise stuff. Like that's pretty popular. I mean, we have that kid who came down here with us. That should go too far. Yeah, it is. It's like anything else, you know, I'm saying. I think it's, I think it's good though. I like it better than a lot of different things.

Like I'd rather see people get so great at bodyweight movements. They can do all these crazy spins and weird shit than just reminded me. Cause like I was at this playground with my kids and we just walked to this playground. That was like right down the street from us. And this guy was there with like a couple other guys and they're all wearing like kind of jenga pants and like fucking, I mean they looked like they're about to hackie sack or like, they should break in hell.

No, they were flipping and then like landing on the rail and like jumping and doing this fucking shit. Like they called it like free running. So it's a lot like parkour, but now they're just doing like tricks off of like free running. So it's a lot like parkour, but now they're just doing like tricks off of like playground stuff. And I was like, I was like, is this a thing?

They had like shirts and everything. Like it was like a crew. No way. Yeah, dude, then they went down and they were doing all these like, you know, like flippy stuff and basically stuff that I do that as a joke, you know, they were doing for real. Well, you know, okay, so we saw, you remember

the the barbell guys from New York, I mean, the pull up guys from New York that made its way over to the West Coast and that became really popular is all the guy, I forget what their car guys are. Yeah, the bar guys, whatever like that, all the dudes that were all jacked. Bar stars.

Yeah, yeah, all that stuff. So that became really popular. We met those guys, Zood Fitness, I think is what they are, the jump rope guys. Remember that, their whole, like, their what they are. The jump rope guys, remember that? Their whole following is around jump rope exercise and stuff. It's always like one thing. Yeah, those type of things I feel like,

I mean, they're always going to be on like Sousa and there's always going to be when they're all going to continue to grow. It put niche. Do I see something blowing up to CrossFit level right now? I don't know. I don't's what that is of an orange theory I like to think that we're we're pushing we're changing the way that people look at health and fitness I think because we're so anti camp you know I think that message is becoming more popular that hey everything's cool try this out the anti camp will be branded right right it will

be a camp course of course of course you know that for sure will be that. Right, right. It will. Of course. Of course, of course. For sure, it'll be that way. Because right now, I feel like there's this, you know, back and forth of whose modalities better, which way is this, and still that going on. And I feel like we're trying to push the message different, which is, listen, there's something to take away from all those things. All those modalities, they all got positives, but they also have negatives too. It's okay. It's okay to admit that, you know, and find out what works well with you and your lifestyle

or where you're currently at or what your current goals are. Like, I think that message is getting more popular. Next up is Lauren's Nies. There are a lot of pro bodybuilders advising to do low volume high intensity training. Although they do take steroids, it looks like it works really well. What are your opinions on low volume versus high volume and moderate intensity versus high intensity?

All different tools. All different tools, all different signals. You can utilize all of them to get your body to change and respond. This goes right into the question we were just saying about how camp there's camps. This is just living one versus the other. I think it's so funny. It's funny for natural. I used to think it was so funny when I'd hear the bodybuilders like, oh, I don't do that

because I'm not a power lifter. I don't do that because I'm not this. I'm like, make my waist blocky. That's a stupid thing to say. That's just because if you're in a building your body, you should be doing different adaptations. That's what you should definitely do because then your body will respond to it. If you're doing the same adaptation forever,

so the body builder thing that everybody does, which I'm so used to this is the is, it's the superset, everything, burn out, sets, it's lots of repetitions, get the pump, you're maximizing pump. There's lots of benefits to that. It's amazing for you. Let me tell you, somebody who's always lifting strength, whose hand stays in the three to five

rep range and always lifts heavy and high volume, those people would benefit a ton from training that way. But a lot of these bodybuilders that have been training that way weekend, week out, month in, month out, and some of them year in, year out that way. Dude, one of the best things they could do is completely go the opposite direction and train different than that. Train heavy ass weight, three reps, you know? That's right. But all of these, so you can go extreme in the direction

and it'll stop working for you. But volume is connected to muscle growth. So they've done studies, well they'll have people, you know, they'll compare groups. And this group over here does five sets versus this group that does three sets. The five set group builds more muscles. So volume is there. Intensity is important too because if you go too low of intensity you're not sending really a strong signal. Although

low intensity still sends a signal and if you send it enough times for long enough, it'll still even build muscle. This is why you see people who, you know, like I've talked about before, blue collar workers who working with their hands all the time. They're not working with their hands to failure. They've been doing it for 20 years, but now they've got these muscular hands and forearms as a result. It's all valuable. It's all important stuff. The problem comes from, finding something that works and then thinking that that's always gonna work. God, this is the most common thing you see. And I swear to God, everybody does this. Everybody is guilty of this.

If you're fucking listening to this, check yourself right now. Because I know I did, I know everybody in this fucking room did, everybody I've ever met does this. At one point in your fitness journey, you switched to something you read or someone gave you information like what we're talking about right now and you did it and you saw the most change you've

ever seen in your body and then you identify with it. And you stay with it for weeks, months, sometimes years because it works so well with you. That is so silly and you're not looking at the complete picture. There's so many other factors on why they just don't know No, no, like I'll get we'll get clients. We're like, oh, you know, I Really the best shot the best shape in my life was when I played soccer in college. Yeah, so what I'm gonna do now What do they call that I'm gonna go play soccer? Yeah, literally what are they called in not imprint? But like you know in like a

Like a little baby chick or something like, it looks at you as the mother, like what's that called? I don't know. Come on, man. I'm not Google. Come on, yes you are, you're super. I'm not Google.

I'm not Google. Yeah, yeah, it's something that imprints itself on you. And so forever you're sort of like identified with that. Here's the one rule you can count on. 100% when it comes to training and diet. Your body changes all the time. That's the one rule. So whatever you find that works for your body now,

you can count, you can bet that it will not be the thing that always works for you forever. At some point it's gonna be what your body doesn't need and your body wants something else. I've done all of this. I've trained where I've done one set to failure per body part and that worked for a very short period of time and then I switched to something else.

What I find that works best for most people is a little bit more frequency, not going to failure most of the time, but training intensely, and then phasing different rep ranges and different going to failure most of the time, but training intensely. And then phasing different rep ranges and different exercises in and out of the workouts. That being said, if you really experience with your training, have fun trying different things, have fun going into today's leg day instead of doing my normal 12 sets for legs, I'm going to warm up and then I'm going to do one set to absolute failure for legs.

And that's all I'm gonna do today or You know normally I do 10 sets for legs. I'm gonna reduce the intensity and do 20 sets for legs Right or whatever like mess with these kinds of things and watch what happens to your body like you know and when it comes to pro bodybuilders Here's a here's the thing They're the worst people to look for advice. It's bottom line. They are a fuck you did It's bottom line. They are a fuck you, dude. Yeah, it's good. That all of them, bro.

Hey, look, come on, not all of them. Usually the cuties. That's an over-generalization you ask for. Let me taste them. For the most part, the only people worse than pro bodybuilders for giving you training advice for people who have never exercised before. Pro bodybuilders know exercises, they know body parts, they know what kind of stuff. But when you go ask a, and I'm talking about pro bodybuilders,

when you go ask a genetically, genetic anomaly who also has been on, you know, gear and train. Are you an official testosterone? They don't know what the fuck to tell you. You're a regular guy, like, they're gonna tell me. In their defense, I have to defend them

because there are, I'm not that way, you know, even though I was on juice, I was, I still understood your genetic. Did you identify as a pro bodybuilder? No, I'm not that way. Even though I was on juice, I still understood. You're gonna identify as a pro body builder? No, I don't. I don't identify, that's what I don't identify, but I was one, so I can't be alone in this camp that I'm not the only smart body builder out there. Although I will agree with you,

that's as far as giving advice. That should be your criteria. That shouldn't be your criteria while you take advice from somebody. Because who would you trust to train your sister, a pro bodybuilder or a personal trainer with one of your experience? You see what I'm saying?

Yeah. I mean, almost every time. Now there's shitty trainers too. I'm not saying it right. That's what's like, come on, there's. But pro bodybuilders don't know very much about how to train people. The biggest and most common problem.

They don't have to train themselves. The biggest and most common problem. They don't have to train themselves. The biggest and the most common problem I see with pro bodybuilders, if we're totally over-generalizing right now, is most of them have done a really good job of figuring them self-out. They did a really good job of figuring them self-out. And so they make the mistake that because it worked so well for them that it should work for you

and you just lack the discipline to do what they did. That's always stressed. Right and so it's like you just don't know how to sacrifice enough, you just don't know how to push yourself enough, you just don't go hard enough, you just don't go, you don't know, you don't eat, you're not disciplined when you eat and so because that's what worked for them and we've seen this, we have friends like this that we've watched go to start businesses in the industry and they've been very successful getting them self in shape and they're a bad asset that. But they only have maybe a handful of people under their belt that they've actually trained

and it takes hundreds of people who have gone through that you realize, like, oh shit, all this bullshit that I've been applying to myself, maybe I'm unique. Bro, this is why I guy, this is why I guy Ben Pagolsie stands out so much. He stands out like crazy because he knows stuff about exercise, he knows about training,

he knows that kind of stuff, but if you take a pro bodybuilder who's never really training anybody, but has been in the gym for a long time, has been working out for a long time. They're the lens that they see training nutrition through is through their body. And you have, I hate to break this to you listener, you have zero in common with pro bodybuilders, just do.

I guarantee you, 99.9% of you listening right now, have nothing in common with the pro body, your body, your body doesn't respond like a pro bodybuilder does If you were if I was able to take the average person and place them in the body of a pro bodybuilder and They would they would be they would be blown away about how the body responds A big reason why we've had a lot of success is because we wrote programs for the masses Yeah, we didn't write programs for pro bodybuilders. Yeah, average person. And the truth is, when you open up magazines, when you download a lot of the programs, it's

appealing to all the pros and all the people. What do they do? This is how they train. It's the God thing. It's like, you know, you put this person on a pedestal and you feel like, well, they got there. I'm just going to try and like follow in their footsteps. Even if I could get a fraction well, they got there. Like, I'm just gonna try and like, follow in their footsteps, like, even if I could get a fraction of what they got, you know.

Dude, it's like, I don't know, okay, look, I, we've been in gyms for a long time. I can think of maybe three people in my entire life where I would say that their genetics are, maybe not pro bodybuilder, because pro bodybuilder genes, I've only met pro bodybuilders, but I've never met someone and said, that guy's got a pro, because there's bodybuilders, but I've never met someone and said, that guy's got a pro, because there's so many factors.

But I've known people who know some like that, like a Jason Sinatra. There you go. If you were to throw that guy on an unboxed arrow, oh my God, you'd be Mr. Olympus. But when I definitely have known a few people in my life in bitches, and this is through the thousands of people that have walked through the gyms that I've worked in,

where you just, they're just another, it's just another type of human being. It's just, it's just rare. There was one guy that worked for me. He was a porter. And this fucking dude, it had the worst diet I've ever seen in my entire life. Horrible.

It was terrible. He would come into work in the morning and you would eat for breakfast a single pop tart. His lunch was a balologna in cheese sandwich, and at night he'd have Chef Boyardy. He may be consumed 40 grams of protein a day, maybe, maybe he didn't have money to buy protein supplements,

he didn't pay him much to clean the gym. And this guy would do skull crushers with 225 pounds, a barbell with 225 pounds, skull crushers. He would not work out for a little while, take some time off, look more muscular than every trainer I had on staff. They need to work out for a week, and I swore to God he'd gain 12 pounds of muscle

every single time, and I talked him about it, and I remember I grill him. Super responsive. Dude, I'd bring him in my office, I'd sit him down and be like, dude, just be honest with me. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, you answered. He's like, nothing I swore to God, man,

and I knew, once I got to know him, he was telling the truth, and I'm known a couple people like this. These people have nothing in common with average people. And if you were inside their body for a second, you'd go to the gym, work out. And the next time you go work out, you'd be like, oh fuck, I grew up. Yeah.

So to get advice from these people on training, it just don't relate. It's just like, I mean, a lot of times, the greatest players don't make good coaches You know, it's just that simple. Yeah, they might just hit the ball right right. Yeah exactly That's all work for me. I just did a lot of it. It's like a beauty pageant It's like I want to be hot like her. You know, it's like no, you're not In the end list nothing you can do. Sorry, but I mean in the defense of the bodybuilders and the low volume high intensity

Absolutely, it has merit if you don't ever train that way I bet you if you started training that way for the next four to six weeks You'd see great benefits from that, but don't get stuck there. I mean everybody I know that I've ever fun man have fun with your training right and I think I think as you know You should always be kind of checking yourself that whatever it is that you're following I don't care what program what crossfit would, what Orange Theory, what thing you're doing, even if it's fucking maps, right? If you were following maps red,

this is phase one over and over and over and over. That's the top, it'll work. It'll work. Yeah, we wrote that, it's fucking awesome, but you gotta get through it, you gotta go through it, you gotta move to the next phase. You know what I'm saying? That's the whole reason, that's why we phases all the program.

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