Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 674: Undulating Calories to Build Muscle, Improving Ankle Mobility for Better Squats, Fasting Survival Tips & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:36 That's right, Jackie, we love you. So we start off the conversation by talking about hippos and lions versus tigers. Apparently I'm a hippo. Take it. Hungry, a hippo. Titch. Hungry, hungry hippo. He's got them cakes. We talk about piercings, hipsters, and tattoos,

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Starting point is 00:01:50 Next question was, if your goal is to build more muscle with the intent of competing on stage, is it better to just keep the squat shoes on and squat heavy, or should you go lighter and work on ankle and foot mobility. A lot of controversy in this one. There's a little bit of a trade off, good conversation in this part of the episode.

Starting point is 00:02:09 Some push pull. Next question was, are there any psychological or mental tips that we can give for helping people get through a fast? Some people have a very difficult time doing even a short, you know, 16 hour or 24 hour fast because they're so attached to food, they feel hungry, they want to go to the board, they want to eat.

Starting point is 00:02:29 That's basically our advice, suck it up. No, there's more stuff. We're more sensitive. I gave you some tangibles. Adam's real sensitive about that. Next question. As far as the raw materials that are needed to feed the American people,

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Starting point is 00:04:20 You'll have three days left. In 2018, that's going gonna be an annual fee. So get in there while it's hot. Again, mind pump media.com. If you were an animal, you would be a buffalo. You think? Yeah, I think you'd be a buffalo. A bison.

Starting point is 00:04:35 A bison. A bison. Yeah. The only thing that I can always my disagree is that bison are top heavy and they have like little asses compared to the other. Yeah, that's a good point. Like, if you had a broad chest and no ass, so you'd be a buffalo just as like a hippopotamus

Starting point is 00:04:52 Those are the best in the while everybody yes, no fight in a fight a hip-hop would kill a bison I kills everything what is the only thing that a line a line? I mean a hip-hop gets killed by his a pack of lions, right? You nobody fucks with it. Yeah, you can't I mean a hit bow gets killed by his apacolions, right? Nobody fucks with it. Yeah, he can't even like a crocodile. Can't even touch it. No, the only one that fucks with a hit bow, I think, is a lot is a is a is a pack of lines.

Starting point is 00:05:12 They don't even do that. The the hippo snaps. Big ass crocodiles and half, and half with its bite. And they're fast. That's what they go after the baby hippos. The lions go after the baby hippos and they and it still takes a gang of them. They're not just one. Yeah, they're fast. That's what they go after the baby hippos. The lions go after the baby hippos and it still takes a gang of them. Not just one.

Starting point is 00:05:28 Yeah, they're savage. You know what though? Let's be honest, if you were a lion and you were looking at all the animals and trying to, like, you're thinking yourself, like, which one's the tastiest? Yeah. Baby hippos look delicious.

Starting point is 00:05:37 Don't they? Yeah, they're just like these, like, pudgy. Yeah, it looks like a donut. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a, it's like the cream puff of the animal world. You know what I'm saying? And if you think about it, the mind looks like what it tastes like.

Starting point is 00:05:51 In nature, the most delicious things are always the most dangerous. Always. Like if you're a human and you're like, oh fuck, there's sugar, honey, right? I want that honey. You gotta get stung a bunch of sweet fat ass. Yeah, it's like bite you. Right. Yeah. And a mom wants to eat you alive. Yeah, it's like bite you. Right, yeah. And a mom wants to eat you alive. Yes, so if you're a lion, you're just watching,

Starting point is 00:06:08 you know what I mean? Like, they're not even hairy, you know, it's just like, ooh, look at that. Like a crime meat. You're like as soon as mom turns around. I'm gonna eat that delicious baby hip hop. Aren't you watching, weren't you watching the wild life channel yesterday

Starting point is 00:06:21 on your phone? Was I? I wasn't. Wait, was I? There was a video, there was a single video I think I saw. Yeah. Oh, you know what it was? It was a lion, a sick old lion getting attacked by hyenas.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Oh, fuck. Hyenas are assholes. For sure. For real. No, dogs are fucking. The way dogs hunt is crazy, dude. Dog goes. Do you know who would win in a fight between a lion and a tiger?

Starting point is 00:06:50 This is actually a ligar. That's if they had sex. No, a lion wins out. Do you know why? And a tiger? Really, I thought a tiger would. Do you know what a tiger could get in like climb trees and shit?

Starting point is 00:06:59 So tigers are bigger than lions. Yeah, exactly. They're a lot bigger, like decently bigger. Well, didn't they fight them all the time back in like gladiator days? Yeah, and so the Roman gladiator or Colosseum history or whatever, they kept like logs of these animal battles and they'd fight them and then there were animals

Starting point is 00:07:18 that were the kings of the Colosseum. The king of the Colosseum, the one animal that was under, that would just kill everything, was a hippo. But when you had a line against the tiger, the line would usually would usually win. And that's because even though they're smaller, he has more heart. Lines. His more heart. He's the line has the heart. Straight from a Disney movie. I think so. That's more heart. Yeah. You know what's Lion King or what? Did you not watch Lion King? I mean, they spelled it out for you.

Starting point is 00:07:50 Right. It's pretty much science. Well, you know what's funny, you're not wrong. I mean, you don't know that you're not wrong, but you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You know, what makes you think I don't know that? When Adam's accidentally right.

Starting point is 00:08:02 I knew that. What does that mean more heart, like what does heart mean, right? The Adam's accidentally right. I knew that. What does that mean more heart like what does heart mean? Yeah, the fight to the death, the fight. Yeah, the death, right. Lions have to fight a law in nature. Like they're very territorial and they fight each other all the time. Tigers are more solid to have a lot of complicated.

Starting point is 00:08:21 Right. And they're more, they're sneakier. They're more, I don't know about that. They're sneakier. They're, they're more, I don't know, they're sneakyer. They're, they're sneaky when they lie. They're sneaky, they're sneaky. Lion will just fucking pound something dude and just let's see how this goes.

Starting point is 00:08:31 No, a lion. A lion just, no, it's not true. Lions kind of chill a little bit. And they let their wives. Yeah, they sleep and they, they like kill. The lions are there just to fight each other up for the punting, for the lion, for the lioness tang. That's true.

Starting point is 00:08:44 That's all they do. They fight for tang. They do. You know what I mean? They even kill things anymore. Not really. Not really. Unless shit really goes down, they get off the couch

Starting point is 00:08:53 and like, all right, fine. I'll just have to catch. I'll kill the will of the beast. Otherwise, they don't. They just fight each other. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's what makes them so tough.

Starting point is 00:09:03 And yeah, so it's that whole, what's that saying? It's not the size of the fight in the dog with the size of the, no, no, it's not the size of the dog in the fight. Whatever. Yeah, it's the size of the fight in the dog. It was a t-shirt. Thank you, Nat Geo. That was a t-shirt.

Starting point is 00:09:16 We ruined that quote. Remember those t-shirts? Hey, big dog t-shirt. Were they called big dog? Oh, big dog. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, remember those. Yeah, big dog shirts. Yeah. That's right around like, in time it's a big job. It's Big Dog. Yeah. Yeah, I remember those. Yeah, Big Dog shirts.

Starting point is 00:09:25 Yeah. That's right around like, in time of this big Johnson. It's like, yeah, it's a big Johnson popular. We need to bring those back. I think so. I like the big Johnson one. The big Johnson one. Those were hilarious.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Those were hilarious. It was a word. They'll make their way back around. I mean, history repeats itself. We already see every other fucking trend coming around. Like, somebody's gonna be like, I'm gonna make sure it's about Dix, but I'm gonna make it kind of different.

Starting point is 00:09:43 I'm gonna call it a Johnson instead and then that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna call our big Dix. It's gonna be a dude named Dix, but I'm gonna make it kind of different. I'm gonna call it a Johnson instead, and then that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna call our big Dix, and it's gonna be a dude named Dick. Big Johnson's driver is super huge. Sometimes things don't repeat in history though. Sometimes styles end, they end, they never repeat. Really?

Starting point is 00:10:00 Yes. Like what? If a style is associated with a horrible yeah, like Hitler stash. Yes, exactly What I think you can't that's it Charlie Chaplin tried the Hitler stash died with Hitler like he killed that style It'll never come back. That's like one. That's like the only example I can think of yeah And I don't know how true it is because we don't we don't live over there You say like maybe over there. There's more Hitler stashes than we think no We like we should take it back, you know, yeah, you start

Starting point is 00:10:30 No, you start I feel like somebody else. It's not a white guy So it was a little more color do it. Yeah, just to like Bring power back to it Jewish guy. Yeah, Jewish guy take your rocket. Yeah, no, he killed that style and yeah Okay, so it's it that's just one example. That's a bad example too. That's a very bad example. That's a nasty style. The extreme close wise, always we, we, we,

Starting point is 00:10:51 circles, our circles back around, at least, there's still, you mean, some styles are different, but like it's like skinny jeans. Skinny jeans are almost exactly like what it was in the 80s to like peg your jeans and the tight fit. Like, that's the flood water. Yeah, now, I mean, now we've actually made a style that it would call them skinny jeans

Starting point is 00:11:08 and we act like it's a whole new thing, but it's really not like, I used to peg my pants when I was in like, six, great. Nobody, I mean, are you pegging your pants right now? No, that's a regular full roll. What is your favorite style of jeans on women? Tight ones. So, hold on.

Starting point is 00:11:25 That was creepy. No. So you mean like skinny all the way down, like taper at the bottom, like skinny like fat. It's the whole way. Yeah, really? Fitted from the ass to the alex. I like skinny. Pain them on.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Pain them on. Okay, I've seen the ankles. Okay, so tie all the way down. Yeah. I kind of like bell bottoms. So I love that. Of course you do. We mean of course.

Starting point is 00:11:44 No, I just, you have the 70s vibe about you. I do a little bit. That's very 70s But bell bottoms look hot out it now bro. Oh, they're fucking hot dude like the flower power. Yeah, like a flair bottom What about what about? Clogs and all that shit what about the waist do like high waisted jeans or low rise? So I like low and I know the style right now is bringing back the high I don't like the high waist. I don't like high waist either. You know what it reminds me of? High waist, the jeans reminds me of like grandma's. You know how grandma's always wore the pants real high. Yeah, right. To tuck in the foopah or whatever. That's right. They're trying

Starting point is 00:12:15 to smash it all in. Although what they did, see again, here's where the trend comes around, but now they're like, they cut their short, they weigh their high waist, and then they cut the shorts, like super short, so your ass cheeks are hanging out. So I'm kinda pro that. Yeah, you know, compromise. You know, if you get a high waisted, then you low bottom it. It's weird though, it looks like you have low bottom it.

Starting point is 00:12:36 It looks like it's too. You bottom cheek it. Almost like you gave someone a wedgie. I like the low. It is, yeah, like you pulled it up too high, and then it took that. You know what it is? I find a woman's midsection very attractive,

Starting point is 00:12:47 like below the belly button area. Like that part of the midsection's hot and when they were the high waist, the jeans can't see that. Well, I think that was the, why this style came was it allows them to kind of hide and disguise some things. Yeah, tuck it easy.

Starting point is 00:13:00 Like I said, you tuck in the, the fupa. Is that again? I want to bring like belly button rings back. You know what I mean? They're, why they were gone? I don't you tuck in the fupa. Is that again? I wanna bring like belly button rings back. You know what I mean? They're, why they were gone? I don't know. They're still here. Are they still there?

Starting point is 00:13:10 My chicks still have belly button rings. My girl has, yeah. Trin has one? Yeah. Oh wow. She'll flaunt it. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:17 She doesn't do a little belly shirt. Not for dudes. She doesn't wear a lot of belly shirts around you guys. My girl has a belly ring. I love them. Yeah, I like them. I think they're very sexy. Yeah. Piersings in general are attractive.

Starting point is 00:13:27 In general, not total. How many guys you know that have had a belly button ring? I would go. I knew a guy too, right? What the hell? That's when it first became in style. And nobody had decided yet it was a girl thing. And no, I just, no, it was obvious.

Starting point is 00:13:42 Bro, tongue rings now are almost, almost completely a girl thing. You don't see too many guys with them, right? But for a second there, that's a good point. That's a good point. That is a good point. When tongue rings first hit the,

Starting point is 00:13:53 hit the, whatever, you know, they definitely, there was some guys, there's some dudes. Yeah. There was, yeah, there was quite a few dudes that I don't know how to make it work. Rockin' it too. What's your favorite piercing?

Starting point is 00:14:02 On a girl? Yeah, on a girl. Yeah, on a girl. Well, I don't know, on a time. Well, I mean, there's a difference, right? Yeah, on a girl, What's your favorite piercing? On a girl? Yeah, on a girl. I don't know, I don't know, time for. Well, I mean, there's a difference, right? Yeah, on a girl, what's your favorite piercing? Ah, I want me to. You have to pick one.

Starting point is 00:14:13 You have to pick one? You have to pick one. I like nose piercings. Yeah, me too. I do. Yeah. Now, do you like the, you're talking about the side though, not in the middle?

Starting point is 00:14:20 I do not like the middle. I do not like the middle. As you say, either ear is a bit. Not even I do, I do not like the middle. It do not like the middle. As you say, either ear or the naples. Not even I do not like the middle. It just, you look like a bull. Yeah. You look like a fucking like a bull. That's what pull on it.

Starting point is 00:14:32 Yeah, no, it's not sexy. The irony of that though, is just I like a nose ring that much that it would be my favorite piercing on a female, but just by shifting it from the center to the side, already makes a huge difference for me. It's weird, you know, weird. That's weird. So I brought up here in the corner. You know, I the side already makes a huge difference for me. Yeah, it's weird, that's weird. That's weird.

Starting point is 00:14:46 I brought it up here in the corner. You know, I brought it just on that. It doesn't bother me. No, it doesn't look bad. I know it's ring for me and I like a hoop in the nose. So stud looks cool, but the hoop looks good. And the middle one, it's growing on me. It's growing on me.

Starting point is 00:14:58 It's growing on me. Yeah, it's growing on me. The middle one's growing on me. Do not, there's nothing. I don't like anything about it. I'm starting to like the middle one a little bit, but the side one, I find very attractive. Side one, and I'm with you, I like both the little,

Starting point is 00:15:10 little small loop or a stud, both look good. That's what you're wearing. My girl has two. She wears a stud and then a hoop. When she's, you know, not coming over my family's house. Yeah. Gotta have that. Yeah, you get a Gitter all conservative.

Starting point is 00:15:23 No, you know what's funny? I had the tattoo, no reason. When we first you know, it's funny. I had the tattoo. Well, when we first started dating, that's funny. Your parents are like, I don't get a business here. So here's the thing about my family. They're really, mine used to be, but not anymore.

Starting point is 00:15:34 So my family is, how can they be? Yeah, I paved the way for the rest of the kids. Did you have your nipples pierced at one point? No, I did not have my nipples pierced. No, I did. I thought you did. My ears are pierced. You never had your nipples pierced? No, no, no, no. I have sensitive nipples, I did not have my nipples pierced. There you did. No, I did. I thought you did. My ears are pierced.

Starting point is 00:15:45 You never had your nipples pierced? No, no, no, no, no. I have sensitive nipples. I don't touch my nipples. Oh yeah, it's true. Don't touch my nipples. I'll touch my face. That's true, I'm not that.

Starting point is 00:15:53 That's amorous. No, so my family's interesting in the sense that they're conservative and traditional, but then they're also super loving and open. So at first they'll judge you, but then they'll like you. So you gotta get past that initial. It's like a wall. You have to climb. Yeah, at first they'll judge you, but then they'll like you. So you gotta get past that initial. It's like a wall. They have to climb.

Starting point is 00:16:08 Yeah, you gotta get that past that initial, you know, whatever. So when my girlfriend first met my parents, and my first, okay, first it was like the first level, which was my parents. Then there's a second level, which is my grandparents, and then my aunts and uncles, and then there's the third level, which she hasn't met yet, because we haven't had a big,

Starting point is 00:16:24 like super big family function yet where she meets all these extended cousins and stuff. So, but so initially I told her, you know, you're gonna go to my mom's house. My mom's house. I'm like, you know, just wear a stud, but don't wear the hoop. Yeah, which kind of piss her,

Starting point is 00:16:37 because so me and her have a lot in common. She's very much like me where she understands certain things. She's gonna rebel. But don't tell her what to do. Right. So I made that mistake a little bit. So we kind of got a thing and I'm like, listen, it's not, you know, whatever.

Starting point is 00:16:49 So she's cool with it. But now it's not a big deal. Now shit where? Whatever. Yeah, whatever. Fuck it. Uh-huh. But no, I like the, you know what I don't like?

Starting point is 00:16:58 I'll tell you what piercing I don't like at all. It's not growing on me at all. Is the fucking gauge big ol' hole in the here? Oh, yeah, that, yeah. It just doesn growing on me at all. It's the fucking gauge big ol' hole in the here, here? Yeah, that, yeah. It just doesn't, and you still see it too, which is interesting. Bro. I mean, some of my friends, and like, when I was in a band, that was like the thing, like

Starting point is 00:17:14 so, some guys in the band had like, start gauging it out and then it's really stretching it. But have you ever seen one that like, when they remove it? Yeah. It's like, floppy deflated long. It's like an onion ring. Yeah, it's like, this is like floppy deflated long. It's like an onion ring. Yeah, it's like, it looks like you go fishing with it. You know what, also stick your ear in there.

Starting point is 00:17:30 Imagine also you getting a tussle with someone. Oh, I'll grab that too. Dude, I'm telling you right, listen, I'm telling you right now, if you ever fuck with me and you have a big ass hole in your ear, I promise I'll grab it. It's like a deflated onion ring. Yeah, for sure, I'm using that as a grip.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Right, right. It's an advantage. Oh, ring. Yeah, for sure I'm using that as a grip. Right, right. It's an advantage. Could you imagine like some of the big gates like that with like a silver dollar side and you get your fingers in there and you get a hole in the hole? Oh, it's so sturdy. You would probably rip right through it. For sure.

Starting point is 00:17:57 Imagine all the cred that's in there. Yeah, fuck that. Imagine I was at what hurt dude. That would hurt. I'd ripped that fucker. Because even just grabbing someone's a Pinch and someone's ear and pulling it like that hurts right there It might be getting inside and then hooking down like that. Oh, well when it's a big ass hole

Starting point is 00:18:11 You put a couple fingers in that bad guy. That's what I'm saying. That would hurt like a mother It's that it's a first place I'd go fish should get you know, there's no rules. Yeah. Yeah I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of that either But yeah in general It's getting a lot. I mean it Yeah, but yeah, in general, it's getting so popular, tattoos in piercing, that it's already happened now. I hate to say it's lustre. I hate to say it's because I know you guys are all

Starting point is 00:18:34 tatted out. It's kind of lame. No, you guys could never be lame. No matter what you guys do, you could never be lame. Well, we already know this. Because I love you guys, right? So, but when you guys, right? So but When you see like there's some fucking I blame the hips now I blame the hipsters for for fucking that up for us

Starting point is 00:18:51 It's horrible. Yeah, we know they try and take all the the cool stuff You know that used to be all masculine and badass, you know, and then it's just like it doesn't mean the same anymore bro, I've seen like more I just like, it doesn't mean the same anymore. Bro, I've seen like more, I hate to say it dude, like low testosterone, like weak sauce dudes with big ass beards and sleeves, then I see now without. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:16 Now if I see that, I'm like instantly thinking like they're tortured artists or something. Yeah, dude, you know what I mean? Yeah, let me sing you this acoustic song real quick Which sucks for guys I guess you've had tattoos for a really long time and it wasn't we know there's different There's one guy in particular I'm not gonna say who it is And I want to say too much because they might be listening, but

Starting point is 00:19:36 We've looked at their their videos and dude is a genuine genuine for real's dork That means a lot of me like sleeve the fuck up. Yeah, right. If saugles you, it's not worth you a dork. For sure. This is your dork. I know. I know I'm a dork, but I'm. No, you're not.

Starting point is 00:19:55 You're cool. Yes, but you can identify it better than this. I'm just a chameleon. I can play all over. This person is for sure stuck in that dork category, for reels, like big time insecure dork, tied it up. Yeah, it's just terrible.

Starting point is 00:20:11 I know. So then in a situation like that, it's like overcompensating, right? Like it's trying to be look tougher than what you really are deep down inside. Yeah. But you can see through it so we... But if you want, like this is the thing,

Starting point is 00:20:23 I'm still gonna get more. I'm gonna talk. I mean, you could argue everything that we so what if you want to, like, this is the thing, I'm just still gonna get more, I mean, you could argue everything that we do is somewhat of a mask, right? The fact that we wear clothes, you know what I'm saying? Right, we all wear clothes. That is good. Yeah, let's look at naked, like, yeah, everybody else. Well, you could, it's like, I mean,

Starting point is 00:20:37 it sounds like we're ragging on it. People that have, that are hipsters and have tattoos, but it's like, you could argue in most any way that there, are way we clothe ourselves is a way to skies or hide or whatever. It's funny, isn't it? Because in the, we don't wear it for fucking like real. Well, bro, in the 80s, the same kind of guy,

Starting point is 00:20:53 like the same kind of hipster guy, right? So if you took a hipster today and you brought him back to the 80s, he'd be wearing makeup. Yeah, like eyeshadow. He'd be look like the cure. Yeah. Oh, you think the hipster'd be look like the cure. Yeah. Oh, you think the hipster kids are like all the emo kids from fucking the 80s?

Starting point is 00:21:08 Yep. Oh, really? I think it's the same people. Oh, so I think hipsters are the- Just listen to the smooth. The evolution of Metrosexuals. Metrosexuals too though. Yeah, that was the next thing.

Starting point is 00:21:21 It's the next progression. That was like the 90s after. Yeah, the 80s, 90s, or Metro, and then it's right. Two thousand of them are getting hipstered. And it's all about, you know, and it's all about trying to get more attention from women. It's always, everything we do for as men.

Starting point is 00:21:36 I've got it's peacocking. We're peacock, we're always peacocking. And women, and for whatever reason. Whether we believe in a form, whether we believe, I mean, you could argue that about my cars, right? My car is a form of peacocking and advertising yourself. So, that's what I mean. Again, we could pick apart all of us, you know.

Starting point is 00:21:54 It always revolves down to the sex. But you're right, I do believe that, you know, tattooes we watched the evolution go from 20, 30 years ago, 30 years ago was like, you must have been in prison if you had a tattoo. Yeah, or your face. Then it went to my wife's grandma, you're the furniture mover.

Starting point is 00:22:10 And I'm just like, oh, I don't know, that felt wrong. Like, do I mean? I'm sure all the guys with tear drops in their eye were calling me a pussy, fucking 15 years ago when I first got tattooed too. Like, I wasn't tough enough for it. For me, it's just like, you gotta be at least,

Starting point is 00:22:22 wasn't your first one bar fight, dude. If you've been in a bar fight, you could get a tattoo. Wasn't your first tattoo the barbed wire? Yeah, it's too., you gotta be at least one bar fight dude if you've been in a bar fight you can get a tattoo Wasn't your first tattoo the barbed wire? Fuck off Pamela it was before pamela right before that's like right before that was a brown man Really what she had when she was like less than six months do that that whole show like show barbed wire came out That show came out and everybody said you wouldn't go to Pamu and there's a Fuck dude

Starting point is 00:22:48 Mother fuck you just said he said he did probably for 10 years I used to the cake argue with people that I had it first. I was like fucking just now I'm just like yeah, you know Pam. I got it. Then I wanted to get out of the big Pamu Anderson Whatever fucking on it. That was fuck you that tattoo was clearly you trying to be cool So I was a hundred percent eight. I'm 17 turning 18 my parents didn't that was also me rebelling right more than actually more than me being cool Yeah, I think it was actually more about rebelling like I didn't like get to about Bob. I like this is fucking cool Man, yeah, it was more like I'm getting a tattoo because my parents fucking said I Don't want me right exactly for me. I a lot of what I did was rebelling rebelling from my parents because I had getting a tattoo because my parents fucking said I can't. I don't want me to. Right, exactly.

Starting point is 00:23:25 For me, a lot of what I did was rebelling from my parents because I had such a conservative home. So I think it was more of that than being cool, which is also why I've left it, right? So when I did my sleeve, he asked me if I wanted to cover it up and I'm like, no, you know, I want to leave it. I want to leave it because it's a reminder of who I was when I was 18. You can't see it, though, can you? No, you absolutely can't.

Starting point is 00:23:44 Yeah, yeah, no, it's not covered up. But you easily could have covered up and you would never see it. And I could say now all my tattoos are awesome. It's like, I put that on there as a reminder of that. That was me. That was a kid rebelling from his parents. And so it's like a also it's not like for me to be aware of that side of me, right? So I made a mistake on mine because I got one.

Starting point is 00:24:04 I only have one, right? It's on my back and... The dolphin jumping through the hoop. Yeah, such a good one. What the three butterflies they represent, mine, they represent hope, love, and acceptance. No, I have, that sounded too real. Dude, I thought you thought about this.

Starting point is 00:24:20 No, I have the symbol of Sicily, which is called a trinocryon. It's the head of Medusa and three legs, right? But when I wanted it, and I wanted something to represent where my family is from, and so I went online and I looked up the symbol, and I saw the ancient symbols, and then randomly someone had drawn a kind of tribal version of it, right? So I'm like, that's fucking cool. Like I want to get that. So I got it. Not thinking that it's on the internet. A lot of other Sicilian dudes are gonna go on see the same thing. I know. I've seen like three fucking people, exact same tattoo.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Oh, no, really? Yes. The happen with my cross and thorns, like it was like, I saw it like a band had it and like duh. You know, if a band has it as their like symbol, you think that like, you know, a good Jillian other people has like the same thing and I would go to like these shows and see people with that like on their leg, on their back.

Starting point is 00:25:20 And I'm like, fuck. Do you remember, so in a regional? Do you remember your parents reaction when you first showed them? Justin, like I rate., fuck. Do you remember? So in original. Do you remember your parents reaction when you first showed them? Justin? Like, I rate. That bad. Fucking horrible. My dad was debating on kicking me out of the house.

Starting point is 00:25:32 Yeah. I am in college. Go for it. I waited at least till I was at a high school to do it. And yeah, my dad was like, that was the big threat for ever. It was like, anything I did was like, you're going to get kicked out of the house. You know, and so I was like, well, fine. threat for ever. It was like anything I did was like, you're gonna get kicked out of the house. You know, and so I was like, we're fine. You know, now it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:25:49 So I'm gonna do it. That's what, you know, let that be a lesson, right? As a parent. You know what I mean? That kids will rebel if you push too hard. Oh, absolutely. Oh, I rebelled so hard on my parents when I was 17, that I was, I literally vowed,

Starting point is 00:26:02 I think I went months, dude, months of seeing the dinner table, not speaking to my family, and telling them like, when I'med, I think I went months, dude, months of seeing the dinner table, not speaking to my family, and telling them like, when I'm out, I'm never coming back. And I fucking 100% believed in my head that when I left, I was that angry as a 17 year old from them being so hard on me and pushing the other direction. And if it wasn't for, and I've never really actually asked

Starting point is 00:26:23 my mom if her and my stepdad had this conversation or not, because they did like a 180 when it came down in the last six months that I was living in the house. And it was like, you know, then I'll send I had all this freedom and no real curfew, just let us know where you're at. I'm like, what the fuck were this all come from? And it kind of won me over enough to be like, okay, if my parents can change, whatever I thought,

Starting point is 00:26:42 then we were fine, but man, I was, I literally was like, I didn't stop speaking to him. I didn't stop speaking to him on your energy. Oh yeah, dude, I was like, okay, if my parents can change, whatever I thought, then we were fine. But man, I was, I literally was like, I didn't stop speaking to him. I picked up on your energy. Oh, yeah, dude. I was like, I was serious. Oh, I was. It was fucking, it was like the hardest thing in the world. I'm a talker, you know what I'm saying? So I like to communicate.

Starting point is 00:26:54 You sure? Imagine sitting at fucking dinner table. I'm like, wow, dinner table. We have a family at dinner every night together, man. So you're a little shit. Oh, I was angry, dude. I was angry. They took my car from me, man.

Starting point is 00:27:03 They took my car from me, man. They took my car. That's right. Yeah, that was, no, I was angry, dude. I was angry. They took my car from me, man. They took my car. That's right. Yeah, that was... No, I showed when I got mine. And I was like 26 or 27 when I got mine. So I'm like full on adult. I came, I went to my parents house for dinner.

Starting point is 00:27:15 And first I showed my dad, and my dad looks at it and he starts laughing. And he goes, well, that's kind of cool. It's just, it's Sicily or whatever. He goes, if you show your mom yet, it's just, it's just a little whatever. He goes, if you've shown your mom yet, I'm like, no, it's like whatever, all right, we'll see what happens. So we're at dinner and I tell my mom,

Starting point is 00:27:32 I say, my, pull my shirt down. She's like, why? I'm like, just pull it down. I want you to see something. She's like, what's on your back? I'm like, just pull it. So she pulls it down. She looks at and she goes, she hits me

Starting point is 00:27:42 and pushes me away. She goes, it's fake. I'm like, no, it's real. I got it, that's what my parents are goes, it's fake. I'm like, no, it's real. That's what my parents are. I got a real tattoo, she goes, no, it's not, it's fake. And she kind of turns around and said, my, it's real, touch it, like it's still scabbed or whatever. She pulls it down, she goes, I'm gonna go throw up

Starting point is 00:27:55 and she like runs off. Like she literally got nauseous, how disappointed she was. Oh, you did a tattoo, bro. Oh no. Yeah. Dude, the fake thing though, I totally played off of that and like told him it was a henna tattoo for as long as I could and my brother threw me under the bus.

Starting point is 00:28:10 He's like, you've been in a lot of trouble with tattoos. You know, stop lying. And I'm like, dude, come on man, I was totally like, they're buying it. It's strong with you. Yeah. Oh, I was so mad, he always threw me under the bus. That's a thing. Speaking of shit, I was so mad. He always threw me under the bus. That's the thing.

Starting point is 00:28:25 Speaking of shit, like that's throwing people under the bus. Did you guys see what's his name? Oh boy, who did a YouTube and made a YouTube making fun of us. Oh, what's his name? Alan, Alan Thrall. Is that his name? Yeah, I didn't even hurt the guy.

Starting point is 00:28:40 Yeah, he's got like 400,000 subscribers on his face. Actually, he made, he's like ripped toes, like number one or number one. He's like a right hand guy. Yeah, he's got it. He's got like 400 something thousand subscribers on actually he made he's like ripped O's like number one or number one to right hand guy totally right so to his credit the video he made was awesome Oh, so people on the forum were like you guys need to have them on the show and then have it out I'm like there's no disagreement here Yeah, exactly what we did to him he turned around and did do us and he did it in a funny way I thought it was fucking great man. We jabbing. We took cues from starting strength. And I-

Starting point is 00:29:08 And how they can cause lots of confusion. Right. And how they can cause confusion. And I exaggerated them. I don't really think that Mark Riptou fucking cues people to lift up their back. I was showing the exaggeration to show that this is- You're showing how some people, right? You keep seeing these cues wrong.

Starting point is 00:29:21 Right. If you tell someone to cue up from their hips, this is what tends to happen. And right. So I took out a context, what Mark Ripto said, or I didn't Jordan technically did. And but I laughed it and I fucking totally provoked it, knowing damn well that what stirs shit up. And then he came back and explained him. So I thought it was fucking hilarious.

Starting point is 00:29:40 And it was great. And he did the same thing with us. He took all the cues that we said and the little sound bites from us. And did the same thing. And did the same thing. So it's like all the cues that we said and the little sound bites from us And did the same thing and did the same thing. So it's like there's nothing to argue and debate the guys is smart, dude I totally I totally agree with his his points that he made it with their totally valid He took something out of context. We took something out of context and it was all up to me. It was all good fun Yeah, no actually appreciate it. I think you brought us a bunch of subscribers

Starting point is 00:29:59 He is in the first place exactly right. I don't mind. I will say this about Alan You gotta do something with that beard bro. It's fucking on issue. Yeah, it's like, you're right. I don't mind. I will say this about Alan. You got to do something with that beard, bro. It's fucking weird. What do you, yeah, it's like Nick beard. What are you doing there? Yeah, come on man. Other than that, uh, good job on the video. We were dying about hilarious.

Starting point is 00:30:14 No, because Jordan comes in to do some stuff with us. And he's pissed off. Jordan's kind of like mad. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. And we watch it and we just start cracking up and we're, he thought we were like lunatics. Yeah, he's like, what you guys lunatics. Yeah, like what you guys

Starting point is 00:30:25 Crazy, why do you guys laugh it like this? It was hilarious. It's good if you make fun of me in a funny way. Yes, Mark. Yes I'm gonna shake your hand right I'm the same way too. I'm like this that's it to me There is no there's no animosity and that's of course we If I were to get angry over something like that Then I'm no better than all these camps that we talk shit about that become dogmatic. Like, I'm not dogmatic about my way. Like, I'm pointing out cues that you guys talk about all the time

Starting point is 00:30:53 that I think some type of people should know that when you cue that, you can get this. That was all the point of it. Wasn't to say, everything in starting strength is bad. You're wrong. Right? It's not a camp thing. I think if you go back in our old episodes,

Starting point is 00:31:05 that's one of the books that we recommend. We recommend to read the book. If it's saying, that's what I was saying. The guy was like, oh, you've never, no, actually, we have read the book. And it's actually a great book, but this was just something. One of our top strengths.

Starting point is 00:31:15 Right, right. So I just, you know, I think if to get angry over something like that, and you know what, if he was, and I felt like if he was attacking my name or he was being, if he was like bashing us like that, totally different, but he made fun of us, and it was fucking very well edited.

Starting point is 00:31:32 It was hilarious. I must have watched the seven minute mark over like five times, too. There's that one part, there's this one part where Adam, I think you're gonna show right now. That's it, it's seven minutes. It's Adam laughs. Yeah, it's at seven.

Starting point is 00:31:43 And he has that one dude. He's got some big old. He has some like skinny bucktooth black guy Start laughing on the couch. I had to make fun of my laugh I feel like I've seen him on touch point. Oh, I'm cute. I fell over laughing Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was so good. I you know what? I wish I had the time to edit like this because I would if I had the time to edit Like this I would so do one back like making fun of them having fun with it like making fun of his beard and shit like just have a good time with it. But unfortunately I don't know. Yeah, we'd all be like ZZ top you know breaking it down. Yeah, it's something. I just don't have time to do it. So kudos to him. To elaborate. Taking the time to shout out mine pump on his on his YouTube page and all those that we're looking for a fight over it.

Starting point is 00:32:23 There's no fight man. I'm gonna use it. It's got 56,000 views. Yeah, no, it's double from yesterday already. Not bad, you know, not bad at all. Good times. Anyhow, so shall we bring it? Hey, isn't this episode airing like a couple days before New Year's Eve? Or when are we doing this?

Starting point is 00:32:40 Yeah, it's airing on the Friday before New Year's Eve. Okay, come on, let's get into this new year. Well, I was gonna say for to help yourself the day after, I will recommend I'm gonna do a little plug for one of our sponsors. The four are sigmatic. If you take the Raishi, the Chaga, and the Lion's Main, and you have that throughout the day, the day after, it should help with the symptoms. Should you do the day of drinking and the day after? Or I would go right, she the night of.

Starting point is 00:33:12 So when you finally do go to sleep, drink some right, she, and then the day after, of course, they hydrated, do all that other stuff, because nothing you take, it's gonna help you for dehydrated, which happens a lot with water. Water comes first, then water comes first. Don't eat too much garbage, all that kind of stuff. But the day after, have some lion's mane, some chaga, for dehydrated, which happens a lot with water comes first, then water comes first, don't need too much garbage, all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:33:27 But the day after, have some lion's mane, some chaga, and some raishi again, and that should help some of the symptoms of that brain fog or headache, or just feeling like that general malaise that you get the day after. What is it in that actually does that? Is it? Lyons main increases BDNF in the brain, which is neuroprotective. So it's helping the brains from some of the damage that you may have caused with the alcohol. Chaga's got immunomodulating effects. Sometimes alcohol can cause or many times can cause inflammatory effects. Secondary from of immune reaction.

Starting point is 00:34:05 And then Raishi is just a general adaptogen relaxing. So a lot of times what people will notice when they drink or after they drink is that they'll have increased symptoms of things like anxiety so they'll feel more anxious or heart palpitations or they'll just feel in a curl up in the fetal position. Those just feel bad the next day and really people realize it's alcohol when you drink

Starting point is 00:34:29 a lot, throws off your neurotransmitters quite a bit and so that's one of the reasons why you'll feel maybe even depressed the day after drinking and so those those three mushrooms can help balance those things out and can help. And this is all, you know, now we're talking. This is how I would use it. This is how I would use it. I can't enjoy it every single day, but I definitely would use it like that. For sure.

Starting point is 00:34:53 So literally the day after and the morning, you can blend the three of them up together and have yourself a nice little drink and then, you know, wait a second and see if you feel better. Yeah, there you go. And because it's, new years is a couple of days out, I've got something from Thrive Market for you.

Starting point is 00:35:08 Oh, yes. More unboxing. Yeah, here it is. You get my organic under-box. What's in the box, dude? You're edible underwear? No, yeah. Try makes edible underwear now.

Starting point is 00:35:18 Whoa! Amazing! Must be eating after worn. That gross. Gross. Gross. All right guys, look at this. Oh yes! We got Moscow Mule cups.

Starting point is 00:35:29 They have Moscow Mule cups there? You do, they do, and they're like only like six bucks piece. Are they real copper? They're pretty good. They're not real copper. I don't know. They look like real copper. Wow, here passes it to Justin.

Starting point is 00:35:40 That's what I'm doing in the New Year's Eve. Dude, what a great call, Doug. So I got six of them, so if anybody happens to be visiting we can share now we now we travel to our houses we can just bring our own fucking Moscow Mule Cup well there's a thing we're going out of town tomorrow yes hey let's take these you know what I'm thinking I got to create a new recipe like the mine pump mule or something yes yes it looks like real copper on the inside yeah looks like real copper for sure yeah you know what I bet you the inside is and the outside with copper. Yeah, what else you got there Doug

Starting point is 00:36:08 Some snacks because you know as long as you're drinking Moscow mules you might as well have some more of these cricket Chirps barbeque Flavored oh I really like these dude. I know you guys do we got kale chips Super foods. Oh, I like the nacho those are the ones I always eat Bestie nacho kale chips. So here's the only thing I don't like about kale chips. You get all up on your teeth Yeah, that's the one downside, but they're really delicious really delicious Everything gets and then we got Tonka bites We got buffalo meat with cranberries and then buffalo meat with cranberries and pepper

Starting point is 00:36:42 Blan so why don't you just leave those there? Doug don't handle us. Yes Doug don't hand them to Justin? Yes. Don't hand them to Justin. Listen. No I'm not handing any of this food to you guys because last time I did that it sounded like a bunch of right animals. You know what I want to do since we're being consistent with this and we're starting to pile up all these

Starting point is 00:36:57 fucking wonderful bags all over the place is to keep one of those boxes and like always put it like make that are like a... Decornacopia. Yeah that's our, that's our, what do you call those pantry? That's our pantry, so we can't treat it. Start keeping all our shit in there and then you pull, we wanna eat, you put it back in.

Starting point is 00:37:12 Otherwise, I've been going around picking all these bags, all these kids. It's getting kinda like, Adam's like the housewife of the mine comp, too. Dude, I'm a fucking neat freak. Dude, this is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, we gotta do, you know what we gotta do? It's like living with fucking four, 14 year old girls.

Starting point is 00:37:24 You know what it is? Well, I have to have a conversation with Justin. I don't think so, because at us, it's a hormone thing. Well, no, it's what, it's such a good, he cleans up after us. Cause he's like the mind pop housewife. Right.

Starting point is 00:37:36 But now he's feeling underappreciated. Yeah. So, you need to do something for him. Yeah, because I want him to know, all misogyny, well, you do something. I want him to know we feel, we feel appreciative that he's important. He is. That's what he's doing very valuable. Let me help you. I was gonna some flowers. No, no, no, no, let me help you out. Make your fucking shit up. That's a.

Starting point is 00:37:56 That I don't want to look like a dorm room in here. Yeah, yeah, damn you. We have a we have like a female guest coming in right now. I'm like so embarrassed. Oh my god. You know, she's gonna walk in and be like, oh yeah. We'll scramble and clean. Christina's gangsta, she knows how we are. Well, in our defense, I know that we've been grinding a lot lately. So we've been running some long, long days, which has been fucking up my fucking workout routine right now, man. It is, yeah. You got to do what I do in the morning, bro.

Starting point is 00:38:18 I know. I know I'm trying to train myself to be that guy, man. It's just, this is a, a rougher time than usual for me to get, of course, get the mustard motivation there. Yeah, to try and do that. So of course, all right bring on the clean bird. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods

Starting point is 00:38:42 to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk free for 60 days by going to Organified.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Cyrus T. Foo. Is uncululating calorie intake helpful while in a building phase, or is it really just a tool for fat loss?

Starting point is 00:39:09 Oh, absolutely. So that's actually Cyrus shut the fuck up. That's what STFU stands for, right? Who's, okay, is that when that stands for? Sure. STFU, all right. So I have no idea. So yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:39:21 You know, you know why? So oh shit. Arguably, no. There was a study was just published I had it in my Insta story. I was sharing it. I'm not I'm not gonna. Oh, there many cuts many bulk one I haven't I haven't I haven't told people were to find these studies up until now And I'm not gonna start so anyway, so I read a study you put it on the forum though didn't you? I believe I did yeah, no you did and that's again

Starting point is 00:39:41 This is this is the value of the, if you're somebody who constantly, because I always feel for a cell, because he does get this, this is part of being, this is the great part for Justin Eisen's, we don't fucking remember studies like he does. You know, everybody wants to know exactly where it comes from, like dude, dude, fucking been reading studies for 20 years. It's amazing that he remembers all of them.

Starting point is 00:39:58 I can't believe he does that. So then to ask, like here. It comes up in conversation. And then it's like, but a lot of times he does, and then he posts them on the forum. So, and then we talk about him later. So, you, but what's great is if you're on the forum,

Starting point is 00:40:09 you can search that. You could literally search a topic. And anything that's been discussed around that topic, there's probably not only a study, then there's a thread of all of us communicating on. So, I'm show notes, you know, my hands. Links and extensions. Okay, get your ass on the forum.

Starting point is 00:40:23 You still have, you still have, you still have two weeks left. I found the study, it was, it was actually recent, 2017, it's in PubMed, the title of the study is intermittent energy restriction improves weight loss efficiency in obese men. So basically what they did is they, in a nutshell, so I'm not gonna give you the specifics, but in a nutshell, so I'm not gonna give you the specifics, but in a nutshell,

Starting point is 00:40:45 rather than keeping people in a consistent or a deficit, they did this up and down caloric deficit, so the person was in a deficit for a couple weeks, then they'd have a few days or a week where they ate maintenance or a little bit above, then went back down. Over a period of time, a long period of time, the people, I'll read the conclusion, greater

Starting point is 00:41:06 weight and fat loss was achieved with intermittent energy restriction. Interrupting energy restriction with energy balance rest periods may reduce compensatory metabolic responses and, in turn turn improve weight loss efficiency. In other words, underlating calories prevents the slowing down of the metabolism when you're cutting. Now, let's talk about bulking. Same thing applies. Exactly. Only difference now is that you're oversaturating, right? So you're, that's right. You're flooding your system with more protein, more carbs, more than you need, because that's what most people do when they're bulking, 100%, one of the best things I ever did was put this together. And it

Starting point is 00:41:49 took me a long time to put this together because of my insecurities, right? Because we come from a back... You're seeing more as better. Exactly. And we come from a background of being afraid of losing muscle, falling off our bodies, so I would much rather overdo it than underdo it, but in reality, I was actually shooting myself in the foot. And if I allowed myself to have some of those low calorie days, it was more beneficial. My body responded better the next day. In fact, you'll notice this, if you've ever gone on a real bulk, and I'm not talking about the bulk,

Starting point is 00:42:16 where you just eat a bunch of garbage, but where you bump your calories, you're really trying to gain muscle, that first, like, two weeks is awesome. That first week to two, man, your strength goes up, you're getting better pumps, like you're noticing your building muscle. If you keep pushing it, your weight still goes up on the scale, so what fucks people off

Starting point is 00:42:33 is we just look at the scale, and we think, oh, I'm gaining weight on the scale. Right, I'm building muscle. You actually start to gain body fat at a higher rate than you do muscle. And that's always been one of the challenges with bulking is how do I gain lean body mass, and how do I not gain just tons of body fat? Well, one of the best ways you do that is by cycling or underlating your calories. Go on a bulk for

Starting point is 00:42:55 you know bump your calories 500, 600, 700 calories above maintenance for a week and then drop them down to maintenance or even a slight deficit for a few days and then repeat or two weeks on one week off type of deal. And what you'll find is you'll gain more lean body mass than if you didn't do that in the first place. I can just like losing body fat. I could always see what pros understood this concept and which ones didn't when I was competing. Because you know, you're around the circuit for a few years and you start to see the same guys kind of shows and each show their physique would look almost exactly the same. Would be the same or sometimes not as conditioned.

Starting point is 00:43:31 And it would always be like, oh, I wasn't conditioned enough. And it's like, but their physique wasn't changing. I'm like, if you're building and you're doing stuff, like each show you should be presenting kind of another a better physique, whatever that may be. But when you don't understand this piece, they only understand bulk season, cut season,

Starting point is 00:43:49 bulk season, cut season. They just keep presenting the same physique. They put on a bunch, they put on 30 pounds during bulk season. And sure, out of that 30 pounds, 10 of it was muscle, but then 20 of it was body fat. So then when they go to their cut to lose their 20 pounds of fat, they also end up shredding the 10 pounds of muscle that they added during that bulk too,

Starting point is 00:44:07 because they had to push so hard to cut, and they just, they go from one extreme to the other, and it's like, then you just end up presenting the same physique all the time. If you want to progress, this is the way, like this is the way to bulk, for sure. What happens is if you're lifting weights, first and foremost, forget lifting weights,

Starting point is 00:44:21 even if you're not lifting weights, bumping your calories initially, in a lot of people it's been shown, will actually initially cause a little bit of muscle gain, and even people who are sedentary, very small amount, but they'll gain a little bit initially. But let's say you're lifting weights, okay, because this word we're talking about people are working out.

Starting point is 00:44:37 If you're lifting weights and you're doing it properly, you are sending a muscle building signal to your body that says, we need to prioritize strength. So it's okay that we have more muscle and burn more calories. Now when I bump up my calories, that muscle building signal is still there. So now my body's thinking awesome,

Starting point is 00:44:55 build lots more muscle. But if I keep my calories high consistently for too long, my body's gonna think, surplus of calories, we've got the muscle that we need, what we should do is start to store these calories. This starts to store these calories as body fat because that's always something that's in the back of your body's mind, if you will. It sounds weird, but it's always kind of a side goal, is your body's always trying to keep you in this kind of survival, like optimal survival.

Starting point is 00:45:23 It's advantageous for it to do that, because it doesn't know in five months, you may not have any food. That's what famines gonna come around. Your body's always trying to prepare you for any situation. So what happens if you go in a bulk and then you reduce a little bit, your body becomes resensitized to them

Starting point is 00:45:38 when you throw it back on, now your body wants to build more muscle, you will build more lean body mass, you will not gain as much body fat. And I tell you what, and this is coming from someone who, let me tell you something, I understand bulking hardcore.

Starting point is 00:45:51 I know when you bulg, a long time, it starts to suck. It really fucking starts to suck. It's like painful. You're forcing yourself to eat, you don't wanna eat, you gotta use drink water a lot to walk the job. It's a job.

Starting point is 00:46:03 You know, after a while, it sucks. When you underlate, it doesn't suck. It feels great. If I go on a bulk for a week and a half or two weeks and then I do four or five days of maintenance or even a slight deficit, I go back to bulk and appetite's back. Well, I also think that you can learn to,

Starting point is 00:46:19 if you understand the concept and the benefits of underlating your calories during a bulk, then you can also get really smart strategic answer. And this is where this comes to play, right? And I always, we always talk about how food timing, meal timing is low in the total pull. But if you understand how to underlate your calories really well, then you start to schedule your higher calorie, these spikes around like a great squad. I just trained really good leg day. I had all this

Starting point is 00:46:43 other stuff going on. It was a great workout movement. Like boom, this is going to be my higher calorie day. And then tomorrow, you know what we're going to be driving. We're traveling and I can be moving a lot. So that like what a great day for me to drop a little really low calorie day match. It's your energy. Right. And so then really minimize the the amount of body fat you're putting on and really maximize the amount of muscle you build by feeding the body when it needs the most amount of calories like that and then shooting it up and then coming back down. And so that's kind of how I play with this is I will let these days. And it takes discipline because one of the hardest parts I think is when you're sitting still and you're not moving a lot, those are one of the bad habits come. You're sitting still, psychologically, cravings.

Starting point is 00:47:21 Yes. And in reality, that's if there's a time when you should be restricting your body's not moving It doesn't need any fuel right? I have a lot of fun with this in the following ways So I'll say to myself like okay, you know today. I'm eating more calories So the intense to get in more calories nutrient dense food So I'm gonna be eating you know more rice or buckwheat for carbohydrates. Those are my preferred sources. I'll have you know my ground beef or Bies in a lamb I'll have some vegetables that kind of stuff But then when I'll have my ground beef or buys in a lamb, I'll have some vegetables, that kind of stuff. But then when I go into my low calorie days,

Starting point is 00:47:47 I'm thinking, okay, it's low calorie, I'm gonna focus on longevity on these days. Anyway, this is your vegan day or something. This may be a vegan day, or salads and shit. Or I eat a lot of vegetables. I just eat a lot of vegetables, I reduce or cut, or even eliminate my meat consumption, or this is when I'll do a prolonged fast

Starting point is 00:48:06 Not necessarily because I'm trying to cut But because I'm trying to take advantage of the health benefits of the fast and it's gonna be a low calorie day anyway Right, and then that's what I'm trying to you know match that with your high intensity workout I find teaching this to clients too is they they like it because it gives them like different targets Like hey, it's not always the same thing right? It It's like, hey, listen, we know that you're not working out on Saturday. So what I actually want you to do is we're going to go vegan all day long. I want you to try and get at least four to five servings of vegetables and have some healthy fats on there and butter and do those things.

Starting point is 00:48:36 That's totally fine. But we're going to eat a ton of vegetables that day and that's your goal. And then after that, then we're going to come back and we're going to have a calorie spike. And then you get this many calories. I think giving them these different goals and targets I think it makes it so much easier than this like same meal plan. Makes it more interesting anyway.

Starting point is 00:48:52 Right. It only makes sense. It only makes sense. There's no way in hell that humans evolved in a state where or in an environment where food with calories same for you. Same for you. Same for you. I mean for the most human, it was always undulating.

Starting point is 00:49:05 I mean, everything was involved to six-back bags. Exactly. So knowing that we evolved that way, the body's probably adapted to be an optimal health and performance in that kind of an environment of undulating calories and macros and all. I remember when I first stumbled upon this, it was a long time ago, and so I don't remember who it was,

Starting point is 00:49:25 they convinced me to have a vegan day, and I think it had to do with my gut issues. And so I did, I had a vegan day, and I thought, oh, this is gonna suck, I'm not gonna have that much protein or whatever, so I'll still stuck to that mentality. I did the vegan day, then the following day, I ate what I normally would eat,

Starting point is 00:49:43 and I'll never forget, I worked out the following, the day after that, so it's two days later, and I was like, I ate what I normally would eat, and I'll never forget, I worked out the following, the day after that, so it's two days later, and I was like, I felt like I had come off of a long cut. Like I got that bulk, you know, that muscle building feeling, I got a crazy pump, and I remember thinking like, is it because I had a vegan day? So then I would repeat it again, and I remember every time I would do that,

Starting point is 00:50:01 and I'd refeed, I'd get these crazy, amazing workouts, and I started piecing it together. Like my body is just primed. It's primed for that food because I had that low calorie day, you know, the day before. So definitely recommend doing this if you're trying to gain or lose. Kati Taylor fit.

Starting point is 00:50:17 If the end goal is building muscle with the intent of competing, do you think it is better to squat with shoes or plates under your heels or use less weight, but train your better to squat with shoes or plates under your heels or use less weight But train your ankles to squat barefoot. How long do you think it would take to gain more ankle mobility? The intent here is competing, right? So this is this is the the ultimate goal right now. So all of a sudden If you can use watch using your competition Flicking right interests. They are conflicting. And I think if you can,

Starting point is 00:50:46 now this I've seen the so I saw who asked this picture. She's a I think bikini competitor. So she's trying to compete on stage not in. Oh, I thought it was like powerlifting. Not good. Oh, well totally different then. Totally different. Like yeah, if you were in a,

Starting point is 00:51:01 if you were going to be competing in powerlifting and you're allowed to use a belt and squat shoes, I would highly recommend using belt and squat shoes. You want to train with your tool? Yeah, you want to train with it and you want to get good skill that you want to master. Well, here's a bikini competitor. No. Oh, man, no, work, I mean, again, though, work on the ankle mobility first before you get to barefoot squatting. If you've been squatting in squat shoes or you've been in heels or you don't even break 90 all of a sudden going barefoot. And progressively bring that angle down as far as like the height of your heel. Or your angle, just progressively.

Starting point is 00:51:32 Don't just all of a sudden go straight down to the ground. Right. Expect. That's what I mean. If you're already squatting in a squat shoe and then you think, because we hear from us talk about, oh, squatting barefoot, so good for you. Also, you go all the way. That's too fat. I mean, it took me about a year year a year of working on ankle mobility being a guy who only could squat in a squat shoes to hit depth

Starting point is 00:51:51 To somebody who can't people to comprehend but it's true. Yeah, no it really takes that long It took me a fucking year bro No, it took me a year to be a guy who if I wanted to hit good depth I had to be in squat shoes had to be I did not have the ankle mobility I didn't have the hip mobility didn't have any of it and like that was it the having the heel rise made a huge difference for me And I remember when you introduced it to yeah, now I have a question though, so I'm gonna pose a bit of a conundrum here Let's say with squat shoes You are able to squat with you're able to fully max out and exert your thighs, your

Starting point is 00:52:26 quads, your hamstrings and your glutes, and you can squat with whatever, I don't know, 225 pounds. When you take the squat shoes off or you're trying to work on ankle mobility, you obviously have to go lighter because the limiting factor now is your foot and ankle mobility. Limiting factor no longer is how much weight you can get way to handle the same way that I did, which was I started off with, you know, from a guy who was always squatting in squat shoes, I still did it. I still did it while I was trying to progress out of it. So I put it was now there like a safety precaution or like so anytime I would start to challenge

Starting point is 00:53:00 the way or any areas where I would potentially compromise, that's where they would go back on my feet. They go back on my feet because I know that this is a heavier load than I'm used to, like you're saying right to your point. I didn't want to lose gains on my legs just because I'm working on my ankle mobility. So I'm still kind of intermittently using the squat shoes to, so I could still hit those heavy squat days and then eventually less and less and less times.

Starting point is 00:53:22 I'm using it to eventually go on. Yeah, because there is, initially, here's the thing you have to understand. Initially, there's gonna be a bit of a trade off. Cause yeah, they're conflicting goals. It's just like wrist straps. Like when you first take off the wrist straps, like initially there's a trade off,

Starting point is 00:53:35 you're not gonna be able to lift as much weight. What's tough, because like even if you're still focused on like that weight total, right? Like your body's hardwired to think that you need the lifted heel to accomplish that, you know, unless you really start to break yourself out of that and retrain that process. So it, you know, it's tough. I mean, I would, I would say like within your priming and within your mobility days or like off days and stuff really start to kind of work on just the ankle mobility in general. And then, you know,

Starting point is 00:54:05 kind of come back to it. But yeah, it's conflicting. Well, here's the trade-off that I'm going to pose to. Here's your trade-off. Initially, you're probably going to have to go lighter because you're working on a weak link, which means you're not going to be able to lift as much weight. You may not build as much muscle. You may even, you may even, depending on how advanced you are and how hard you're pushing

Starting point is 00:54:24 your body, you may even lose a little bit of muscle. But over the long haul, you're going to gain a real world mobility, you're going to reduce risk of injury, and you'll build as much or more muscle. On the flip side, if you don't do what I'm saying, you'll keep more muscle now, you'll be able to lift more heavy, have your weight now. But in the long run, you're setting yourself up for greater risk of injury, and you're just less functional. I mean, the bottom line is, if you need a belt and shoes and knee wraps

Starting point is 00:54:54 in order to lift heavy, then that's not strength that you really have without those things. So for some people that don't give a shit, they don't care, they don't care if I'm not actually strong like that in the real world. For some of us, it does matter. Like I'm one of those people that, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:09 I want to be strong without having to put those things on in the real world also. That's just for me personally. So, and I don't know if it's because I got older and because I kind of get over the ego part of lifting heavy in the gym. But now it's like, well, if I can't lift it with these things, it's just-

Starting point is 00:55:24 Well, I think you can build an aesthetic physique without having awesome range of motion. And without going super heavy, too. Totally, that's it. For someone who's a bikini competitor or a men's physique guy, it's less necessary for them to be lifting super heavy weight where it's necessary.

Starting point is 00:55:42 Using all the tools. You're using all the tools to do that. You'd be better off just lightening up the load and supersetting something or using machines. Yeah, right, or pre-exhausting an area that you're trying to target and then going into your squats, whatever it is. Like there's ways around that.

Starting point is 00:55:56 But here's the thing that I think that, like, sourcing longevity, I think it's so important that you keep that in mind if you're a long-term goal. So your short-term goal is that you want to compete on a stage. Your long-term goal is that you don't have to wear tools like this just so you can work out. So you take a little bit, it took me a year.

Starting point is 00:56:14 And a lot of people don't have that patience. Yeah, the patience to do it for you. They want to say, oh, I'm supposed to score without shoes and then two weeks they're already there and then they think they're going to feel great and be strong. It's like, no, I am just now. And you know what you're doing, right?

Starting point is 00:56:29 Right, right. You're not just taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it.

Starting point is 00:56:37 You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care of it. You're not taking care recruitment pattern. You know, and so to think that I'm going to change that in one month is pretty naive,

Starting point is 00:56:47 you know, it's like, so, and it's obviously that's all relative to how where you are currently. Like, we're speculating on someone we don't even know and haven't seen. So for all I know, she may be already almost like Katrina, it was really easy to take her to a new depth of her squatting because really for her, she wouldn't already squatting in squat. She was already, she had more technique and mechanical. Yes, exactly. It was more technique and mechanical issues. I just needed to help her with. And then it was within a month or so, she was already hitting really people respond quickly. Yeah, really, it was really, really easy. Now me, on the other hand,

Starting point is 00:57:22 I had been training incorrectly for so long that I created these really, it was really, really easy. Now, me, on the other hand, I had been training incorrectly for so long that I created these really, I had really strong pork. It's funny, Bruce Lee used to say that it was easier for him to teach kicks to somebody who'd never learned them, then for him to teach kicks to someone who had studied them for years, but had done a wrong thing. Same thing with golf, same thing with any mechanics. It's muscle memory, right?

Starting point is 00:57:43 It's that ability to connect to that and your body remembering like this. Your default, you're immediately gonna go to whatever you like feel the most comfortable. Same thing for fighters in boxing, they'll tell you the same thing. If you've got a guy who's been like boxing on his own, trying to get in, then he does that for four years, then if they need a size to get a coach,

Starting point is 00:57:58 and the coach is like, oh, we gotta break down everything you're doing. That's it, that's with anything. Yeah, no, I think this is all very good advice. You know, here's a deal like you don't want to be I can't tell you how many people and I know you guys are the same way. I have met who are in their late 30s, 40s and 50s who've been working out for long time, who have bad knees, bad back bad, shoulder. I can no longer squat. I can't bench press anymore.

Starting point is 00:58:27 I can't, I used to work out so heavy be able to do these different things and now I can't do them anymore because they didn't address these issues and what they would do is they would cover them up with devices and belts and kept pushing and kept pushing. Or they just abandoned that entire lift.

Starting point is 00:58:42 Cause they're, oh, I guess I can't squat now. Dude, there's somebody right now, they're pretty well known. I'm not gonna say who they are, because there's somebody well known repeatedly injuring themselves, repeatedly, over and over again, stubbornly continues to go lift super heavy without addressing the real mobility issues and not taking the time that it takes,

Starting point is 00:59:03 because it takes, like Adam said, it can take a little bit of a little. Dedicate yourself. Yeah, it's not like months, like, oh, the pain's gone, I'm fixed now. It could take years. No, it does, it takes. And that sucks.

Starting point is 00:59:12 You don't want to be, I mean, how shitty is that that you've been working out your whole life? Now you're 40, and you can't fucking do anything. Yeah, but you shouldn't think about it. Here's the amazing part, right? So 100% I lost strength. I'm just now, just now, at a point where I can barefoot squat, what I was squatting with squat shoes,

Starting point is 00:59:29 you know, a year and a half ago, right? So it took that long to get to that point. But what's happened during that process, and I shared this with you guys when I started playing basketball again is like, I feel a fucking amazing movement. My hips and my low back have never felt so good. Better than when I felt my 20s. Because I, because I had to put all which you remember you know you've heard people like when sometimes they get an injury They come back they end up being stronger because of the rehab and I think it's actually had to put the time and focus and they're like really

Starting point is 00:59:55 Connected everything. Yeah, right? So that that's kind of the same thing that's happened to me is like you know Sure, I saw this decrease in my squad and it and it sucks when you're a guy who can do over four wheels and now it's on your fucking squatting with two plates and it's like, gets in your head mentally. But now that I've worked my way back up again and sure I still probably went a little bit stronger with squat shoes, the other stuff, the side effects of the back and the knee and the hip

Starting point is 01:00:20 and all that stuff, man, that's worth all of it. That's worth all, being a guy who's fucking 36 now, that matters a lot more to me than the extra build. You can build a lot more on that. Right, absolutely. It's more solid. Right, absolutely. Next question is from Tanner Joseph Fitt.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Any psychological mental tips for getting through a fast if it's something you struggle with? One of the, I've said this before, and I tell the clients that I work with now, even. One of the biggest I've said this before, I tell this to clients that I work with now even one of the biggest benefits I ever personally experienced from fasting was the psychological benefit. Mental discipline. It was just because I had always, I had been so driven to gain weight muscle that I was

Starting point is 01:01:03 connected to food in a very unhealthy way in the sense that I had chains. I was chained to food. Do you even feel like it's hard for me to even remember that feeling of panic or almost like you're not eating? Yeah. It's a real thing when you first start this process. I can feel for somebody that's trying to do this with first start. I was chained to food to the point where, if I knew I was going somewhere, like, oh, we're driving over here, it's gonna be a four hour drive.

Starting point is 01:01:31 Oh shit, okay, I gotta bring this food with me, I gotta, because I'm gonna go two hours without food, and you defeat myself. I was so chained to it, and when I went through a fast the first time, it was liberating. It was like, oh wow, I don't need to have to eat all the fucking time. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:46 This is incredible. Now, most people think to themselves when they hear this, the most average people, like, oh, I don't have that. I don't have that issue because I don't eat every two hours. I just eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You are also, many of you are also chained

Starting point is 01:01:59 to breakfast, lunch, and dinner. In fact, if you're somebody right now who thinks to themselves, oh, if I if I don't eat, I get so angry. I get so irritable if I skip a meal. Most of that, most of you stop saying that. Yeah. Most of us to start. Stop saying first. Most of you are getting irritated, not because you missed the meal, but because you're anticipation of knowing that you're going to miss that meal, knowing that I'm supposed to eat right now and I'm not, that's the part that gets you irritated

Starting point is 01:02:27 because if you realize that it's not that big of a deal, it's not that important, you'll notice not only will you not get irritated by skipping a meal, you'll feel absolutely fine. It's actually very uneventful. You're almost like, oh, I don't feel. And so, I know it says psychological mental tips, but I have some like tangible things

Starting point is 01:02:44 that you can do that, at least that helped me out. So maybe it works for you, maybe it doesn't. I noticed a significant difference when I was first training, corporate this when I would eat my last meal was carb heavy versus fat, high fat heavy. So having your last meal, having it like a high fat meal, so longer lasting, satiating effect. Yes. And not the spiking of the blood sugar

Starting point is 01:03:06 from the from the from the rush from the carbohydrates into your system and stuff. So that made a big difference for me. It was easier for me to to refrain from eating just by having my last meal being like a pure fat meal and no carbohydrates in it. And then the other thing is drinking a lot of water. So you know, it tees me all you want

Starting point is 01:03:24 about carrying my gallon of water around with that, but when I was fasting, it makes it a lot easier. It's just keeping my mouth busy and kind of sipping on water all day long, kind of keeps my mind off of, where's my food at? Oh my God, I got one more hour I gotta eat. So those are two strategies that I know they're not psychological, but they were tangible things

Starting point is 01:03:42 that I kind of played around with and noticed a significant difference when I did and I didn't do that that helped me out a lot. Yeah, I definitely don't sit around. You know, like I'm just like lightly active, like not even like, you know, like moderate to, you know, intensely active. I'm just like active, like I'm up, I'm doing stuff,

Starting point is 01:03:58 I'm trying to keep my mind busy and that's something that I definitely like been in love to hike on those days. That's like, that's was a staple thing for Katrina and I. You know, when the weather was better, it was every Saturday or Sunday, we would go out for high, we'd fast. We'd fast in the morning,

Starting point is 01:04:12 we'd get out to wherever we're hiking by about 10 or 11. Hike for a couple hours, and it's not a string. It was the first meal like three years. Yeah, then have our first meal by about three o'clock in the afternoon and just felt amazing. It's something that I used to do was I would drink,

Starting point is 01:04:26 obviously drink water, but I would drink, was it called, well, bubbly water, I came and think of the mineral water. Mineral water. I would drink that kind of water throughout the day, that would help. But, you know, really, and by the way, there are some people who have the opposite issues

Starting point is 01:04:41 with food where they don't wanna eat, that's obviously the extreme case of that as anorexia. If that's you, the last thing I'll ever recommend is fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because yeah, your psychological issue with food is the opposite. You should find ways to be able to eat, you know, regularly, consistently, because psychologically speaking, you're on the opposite

Starting point is 01:05:01 in a scale. But because we're talking to a bunch of, you know, fitness fanatics and muscle builders, we've all been so hammered that we need to eat every two or three hours. We have to have protein all the time. That fasting can be an incredible, you can get incredible psychological benefit from that. Because it's a great disruptor of rituals. Like you said, it's liberating. It's freedom. So all these scenarios where you always like hammer yourself,

Starting point is 01:05:27 ah, I shouldn't have eaten that at my aunt's house or this and that or whatever. Like the options just aren't there for me right there. Well, just, it's great, you don't have to eat it. Yeah, if you want to wait till later. I'll tell you what, if I want natural energy, like if I know I need to be sharp and on point and even slightly hyper for sure I'm fasting 100% yeah

Starting point is 01:05:46 Nothing gives me more consistent is that crazy because we were taught as kids like mom would make make sure you get You have tests today make sure you get your big breakfast and it's pancakes and fucking eggs and bacon Right, it's so the opposite of what if you want a true mental clarity You probably skip the meal, skip the breakfast and go take your test. Have you guys done, you've done a 48 hour fast in you haven't right Adam? 24.

Starting point is 01:06:11 So I really suggest that I've actually done 72. Have you? So I really, I've been doing a lot of reading on this and it's, you know, Dr. Walter Lungo does a lot of, he's like an expert on this subject and it's probably a good idea if you're healthy to do one whole month. Once a year, once a year, three to five days.

Starting point is 01:06:31 Three to five days. Yeah, that's what he says. I've read the saying, I agree. I mean, I, it's something that I would like to implement. Well, dude, it's literally like, I mean, anti-cancer, incredibly anti-cancer, and for immune issues, for autoimmune issues, you know,, you you want to get rid of those immune cells that think it needs to attack your body One of the best ways to do that is to fast Right. Don't feel the problem. Because they tend to die and then you rebuild new ones and you know, it's that's great

Starting point is 01:06:57 It's about time to you. I haven't done it for like a year. So I'm I'm do so I'm thinking I'm gonna do it real soon So me and Jessica are planning on doing it after the holiday. And it just feels good because like you know, you're gonna over just cleansing yourself a bit. Yeah, it just it just feels right, right? Because you just had your, you know, new years and Christmas and you're eating all that food and maybe we'll all schedule it together.

Starting point is 01:07:17 I think that we rad if we all did it. Yeah, no, actually if we're gonna do like a extended one, I probably want you guys to do it with me that way. I mean, I need that we can console. Yeah, right Actually, it would be a good it would be great because I think it would produce good content too because we get on the show Okay, all right done. Let's do this schedule So we'll do it afterwards and put it on the calendar dark and maybe we'll we'll encourage You know listeners and stuff to follow along. Maybe they want to try.

Starting point is 01:07:45 Yeah, I'll tell you what, I'll give you, I'll say the little... Our form is already a couple of have. I'm going to say a disclaimer, check with your doctor first, make sure you're healthy, always listen to your body, we are not doctors. No. We are doing this ourselves if you want to do this on your own. Self-experimentation. Totally up to you.

Starting point is 01:08:02 Right. Next question is from Liosco 83 Train to Live. As far as raw material to feed the American people, what needs to be improved with our modern agriculture to create healthy food so people can create a healthier lifestyle? So I'm going to tell you guys why I picked this question because this question highlights a massive, massive fallacy in people's thinking when it comes to food. One of the biggest and worst fallacies in thinking when it comes to food is the reason why there are people who are starving or the reason why there are lots of hungry people

Starting point is 01:08:38 is because we just don't have enough food. Or the other side of this fallacy is, oh my god, the population is growing. We're going to have, you know, X amount of billion of people on earth in the next 50 years. We don't have enough food resources. We don't have enough food to feed everybody, people are going to starve. Both are incredibly false. Of course, at support, support your local farmer. Yeah. Support your local farmer. Well, of markets. Of course, at some point, if we had enough people on Earth, we wouldn't be able to feed them, but that's very, very unlikely to happen.

Starting point is 01:09:10 In fact, once we hit a certain number of the population will probably shrink, which is what happens in modern societies. But here's the big fallacy. I'll tell you guys a story. The Soviet Union, when it existed, was producing something like two times more milk and dairy than the US and something like three times more grain than the US.

Starting point is 01:09:30 They were producing ridiculous, ungodly amounts of food and yet they had famines and starvations all the time. Americans were far better fed than the Soviets were. The reason for this discrepancy, even though they had so much food, it all boils down to distribution. To this day, it boils down to distribution. India produces something like 300 more calories per person than it needs to sustain their population,

Starting point is 01:09:57 and yet they have mass starvation and poverty in certain parts of the country. Is this one of the distribution? Isn't this one of the things that Gunner from Thrive Market was touching on also was like, that's like distribution is everything for them. There's enough organic food in the United States

Starting point is 01:10:12 to be beating it in people's hands. It's the ability to get it to them. Do you know how much food is wasted? You know in the Soviet Union, there were fields of wheat, massive acres and acres and acres of wheat that would go rotten. Because distribution requires efficiency. Getting the food to where it needs to go

Starting point is 01:10:29 efficiently before it goes bad, which is inherently cause a problem, right? Because they're trying to preserve it more, adding preserve it as adding more of a shelf life to some of these things. Well, that's part of it. The other part of it is the signals that are necessary to know how much to produce,

Starting point is 01:10:43 where it needs to go, cannot happen from central planning because you have this guy trying to predict what's going to happen. Now the free market does a great job of this because the market, the prices that we pay for things, really that's signals telling people what to grow, where, when, how much, and what's more needed, what's more valuable because the price goes up, there's more demand, all that stuff. But as we move ahead in the future,

Starting point is 01:11:05 because of technology, we are gonna see better and better efficiency and better methods of distribution, and that's gonna solve the world's hunger problems. It's not the fact that we need to produce more food. We have enough food. Americans throw enough food away because it went bad. We throw enough food away to feed most third world countries. Just from like you pick one small third world country

Starting point is 01:11:29 and you give them the food that we waste or that goes bad. The truth is, and you say this is what you say all the time, so the best way that we can vote is with our dollar. And if this is a concern or something that you care about or you wanna see, but this is where you do support a company like Thrive Market. This is part of why we support them and why we partnered up with them is because these are the type

Starting point is 01:11:48 of people that are trying to solve this exact issue. How can we get organic food to someone's doorstep within one to two days anywhere, anytime in the United States, like this is what they're trying to provide and be able to do that. So cheap that it's cheaper than when it would cost you if you were to walk into a whole food. Bro, look at it this way. So in the past past I'll use the example of Uber again in taxis in the past taxi companies and In governments would make the case that we need to have a reg we need to have a centralized regulatory agency of some sort to ensure that taxi cab companies are Safe that they're good drivers that they they're not going to rip people off,

Starting point is 01:12:26 that the guy you're getting the car with is not some guy that's going to rob you and all that stuff, right? Uber succeeds today with far better success rates, far better approval, better ratings, because we can now immediately rate the driver and the driver can rate us immediately. Before, if a driver ripped you off or was shitty, you'd find out about it, but they may be able to be able to rip off a few people before that happens. Today, it's instant. So knowing that, we're going to have even faster and faster and faster methods of signaling each other, knowing how to make things more efficient. Things are so efficient now.

Starting point is 01:13:03 Look, the only reason why Amazon can deliver to your fucking house within 24 hours and give you something that's cheaper isn't, it's efficiency, 100%. It's because of the business. It's about big business. They love feedback. They pay a lot of money to try and get that feedback

Starting point is 01:13:22 from the consumer. It's just that it's labor intensive for the consumer. So a lot of times you have to incentivize them in whatever the way they can, but they really want that because they want to improve the quality in the service that they're providing. So it just makes sense if we can figure that out.

Starting point is 01:13:36 Imagine a situation, I'm like, this is all future, like I'm playing this guy type of stuff, but I think it's possible. Imagine a future where rather than having to buy a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, a dozen eggs, you literally open your fridge and you want an egg, you push a button or you grab it and you get the egg. You don't get the dozen eggs or you get the slice of bread or you get the, imagine what

Starting point is 01:14:01 that would do in terms of efficiency, both for money savings. Right. Think of how much money you throw. And what? Imagine what that would do in terms of efficiency, both for money savings. Think of how much money you throw. Think of how many times you've thrown a loaf of bread away or a half a thing of tortilla or something because it's got moldy and it's old or leftovers that just sip butter. Who likes the butter bread?

Starting point is 01:14:15 Don't think for a second that that's not, we're not headed to something that's similar to that. I don't know if what I'm saying is total impossible, but if I had told people again, that you could have food delivered to your home or products or whatever delivered to your home within 24 hours because you ordered something online, if I said that to someone 20 years ago, 100% they'd say it was impossible. Yeah. That's impossible. It just creates, it can't work. No, and yet we figured it out. You did. And we figured out, in fact,

Starting point is 01:14:42 you know, it's funny, you, I don't remember what natural disaster it was. There was somewhere where there was a natural disaster in the US and the Coast Guard and everybody was there and like, we need to get to New Orleans. I don't remember how long ago was it? This happened several times now, where the government is trying to get water and food supplies to these places, but it takes days because it's the logistics and the complications.

Starting point is 01:15:08 So then a company like Walmart stepped in and said, we'll get water to people, but because they understood distribution, they have efficiency, they know how to deliver, they know the market. The chain set up. Instant water was there the next day, much faster than we could try to figure out, well, planning,

Starting point is 01:15:22 that's all about efficiency. So yeah, really it's all about distribution. And I'm not the only one that's saying, that's not my idea. This is economists and people who know who are experts on the subject will tell you. It's not about anything else other than if we can get food distributed efficiently,

Starting point is 01:15:39 we will solve the world's problems in terms of hunger. Well, you see Amazon's working on it right now with the whole shipping industry. I mean, that's all gonna get flipped on its head and the next fucking shit. You know why the shipping industry is so fucked? It has been, it has been, it's a shit show.

Starting point is 01:15:54 It's been tied down with regulations that are so archaic and corrupt. Oh, yeah. To protect the shipyards. Yeah, yeah. All kinds of shenanigans. If they didn't have that shit, Amazon would already, and these companies already have, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:08 be doing what they're doing on a broad scale. The reason why they can't is because they literally are can't because of loss. Right, and that's what he's just gonna bypass them. Like, oh, we'll just make a better system of doing it. Just like they did with the fight of fucking sales funnel by fucking awesome. Yeah, fucking awesome.

Starting point is 01:16:20 I fucking love it. I mean, everybody, there's a lot of people that hate on it, so like that, but I think they said small I mean, everybody, there's a lot of people that hate on it and stuff like that, but I think they're such small-minded thinking because, dude, that's what's gonna drive a more free market and a competitive atmosphere that's only gonna be better for the consumer in the long run.

Starting point is 01:16:33 It's gonna be better for, I mean, it'll be better for everybody. I mean, that's just, you know, people think of wealth, they think of dollars and money, but wealth is, money just represents just a symbol. It doesn't really, it's not real. I can print a shit ton of dollars on a printer, that doesn't mean I'm wealthier. If we did that to everyone,

Starting point is 01:16:49 like if everybody all of a sudden had a million dollars in their account, I'd swim in it. Everything would have been... Yeah, the price of everything would have inflate and it would all be the same. Wealth comes from more efficiency. So now, one person can do the job of 10 people,

Starting point is 01:17:03 or we can produce this much food and it costs this much time versus this much time and we can deliver it in much shorter period of time. That's how we create wealth and that's what's gonna feed the world. Now that being said, in terms of the types of foods that we produce, I'm telling you right now, I think insects, I really do think insects

Starting point is 01:17:21 are gonna represent a whole new. Very sustainable, right? Source approach. Cheap, sustainable, easy to feed, doesn't produce a lot of waste. Get rid of the locusts that way, you know, that come through and eat everything. I think you want to talk about processed foods. You're gonna, you're about to see a lot of processed foods coming from insects. Well, we already do see you get fucking barbecue cricket chips, right in front of you. I mean, it's fucking come and do it.

Starting point is 01:17:42 Just smash them all. Yeah, no, it's coming. What's funny is I bet you there's just a ton of insects in your of you. I mean, it's fucking come and do it. Smash them all. Yeah, no, it's coming. It's funny as I bet you, there's just a ton of insects in your food already. You know what I mean? People don't even realize that. No, no, there's a lot of truth to that. I remember when my buddy who used to work

Starting point is 01:17:54 at the cannery for the tomato, a huntsman. Don't they give you limits that are why? You can only have this. Oh no, it's like, you know, X amount of rats, there's no limits. Yeah, like X amount of rats per barrel can get fucking mushed up with your tomato. Like after he told, it's like, you know, X amount of rats per barrel. Yeah, like X amount of rats per barrel

Starting point is 01:18:05 can get fucking mushed up with your tomato. Like after he told me I was so hard to catch up after knowing that. Oh my god. Oh, 100%. There's fucking rats. There it is. It's just matter how much rat. You got to just remain ignorant to that. But it's like, you know, so the same thing was with milk. Like when we used to, we used to do milk. Like they had, they had like three levels of grade, like grade A grade B. Grace. Yeah, I don't three levels of grade, like grade A, grade B, grade C. I don't remember what they were called back then. And, you know, they come over and a guy, before they pick your milk up, they test it

Starting point is 01:18:32 and they tell you what you qualify for. And it's basically how much shit got into your milk. Like, you know what time is like some accidentally iodine got in there that I was dipping the cows, teats in and then that gets in there. It's like, that's okay. You can still get some of that in there and it's gonna be, it will still touch.

Starting point is 01:18:45 Yeah, so it's like, now if some a lot of shit's on there, drops it down to B, then if like a lot of shit went in there, it goes like to see. This looks really ununique. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating what we're probably already. We're probably already having all.

Starting point is 01:18:57 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I think processed foods, you're gonna see a lot more insect stuff. Like focused on insect. Yeah, because they're easy, they grow quick. You can replenish them quickly. And they're vegan, they don't grow a lot of more insect stuff. Like focused on insect. Yeah, because they're easy, they grow quick, you can replenish them quickly. And they're vegan. They don't cry a lot of ways.

Starting point is 01:19:08 Yeah, that's good, that's good, that's good, good food. Are they good at vegans? I was gonna say, are they cool with insects? Like is that like, yeah, I know it's PETA gonna get pissed. I don't know. You know, I feel they're not okay with it. Cause I feel shitty bugs.

Starting point is 01:19:20 Cause I feel like PETA really cares about animals that are relatively cute. Yeah, like nobody cares about fur. Yeah, nobody cares about a spider. Insects have eyeballs. I mean, that'd be interesting. They reach out to somewhere of vegans. They cry, you know, in their own way.

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