Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 675: Dr. Jordan Shallow- The Muscle Doc Returns

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. This conversation I was really excited about because I love when we get someone like Jordan inside the studio and we decide, okay, we're not going to talk about anything that I think anyone would expect us to talk about. Yeah, I love those conversations. It's like, it's like, obviously, we're gonna talk about powerlifting

Starting point is 00:00:31 or like, you know, something along those lines and we don't even talk about that at all, in fact. Right, so this is our... We're gonna totally different direction. This is one of our audiences that are, this is one of our people that listen to the show and they just, they don't like when we don't talk about health and fitness, like this probably isn't

Starting point is 00:00:44 the episode for you. We talk about a lot of stuff though. We know we get into some. I thought we had some great conversation. I was just a fun conversation. Right, which, so because Jordan is a very intelligent person, I just like to have conversations outside of the stuff I already know he's really intelligent.

Starting point is 00:00:58 Like normally when you meet somebody who's smart, they're not just smart in their one little field. Although that is, that you do see that sometimes. But George's not that guy. He's a definitely a very intelligent well-read guy. And it's fun to speculate with him. We did some speculating in this one. We talked about a little bit of some conspiracies and ideas. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:15 Talked a lot about business. Talked about Stanford. What else do we get into with Jordan? I don't remember. He looks bigger. Did he look bigger to you guys? Fuck, I'm sure he's gonna. George's gonna more weight these.

Starting point is 00:01:23 Yeah, he's like a moose. Liftingies. He's like a moose lifting houses. He's like a mini moose. Yes. You know? We did some good videos with them too when he came into record. Actually, those should be up on YouTube. They are. They're up now.

Starting point is 00:01:34 Once you're listening. Yeah, they're already up. And he breaks shit down very, very well in his videos. If you're a technical lifter and you want to learn all the intricate details, like you're doing. Yeah, a lot of his stuff. He did a video, in fact, I intro the video and had to preface it with, you know, this is definitely advanced. This isn't for everybody. He's teaching a Jefferson curl and he was teaching a, you know, a

Starting point is 00:01:54 Benover row with a rounded back. So definitely some advanced maneuvers that have lots of benefits and he breaks down the benefits to that in the videos. But I caution most people that if you're a beginner, there's some other places that you wanna start with before you start getting advanced like that. That's right. Dr. Gordon-Shallow, he is a podcast host. His podcast is called RXedRadio.

Starting point is 00:02:18 That's the letter R, the letter X, apostrophe D. Radio, his website is www.pre-script.com and on Instagram you can find him at the Muscle Doc that's underscore in between all of those. Also I want to mention a program that if you are a fan of Dr. Jordan Schallie you probably like him for his biomechanics, you like him for the technical stuff he talks about. I'd like to mention our correctional exercise series, the prime bundle, which includes maps prime pro, which focuses on the wrists, the neck, the shoulders,

Starting point is 00:02:56 the shoulder blades, the ankles, the feet, the hips, the spine, and maps prime, which is a program that is designed to teach you how to prime your workouts better so you get more out of your workouts. You can find all of those at mindpumpmedia.com and without any further ado, here we are interviewing Dr. Jordan Schello. That was exciting to get you in here since you've been touring now. You've actually, you guys' podcast has taken off.

Starting point is 00:03:20 You're doing well, getting all kinds of people on your show and without naming names, what are some of the common things that you're noticing with all these people that you're talking to? Yeah, I don't know. I think so far we've been lucky because we've had the people I've interviewed, there's been some sort of vetting process, whether it be personal or through you guys, like hook and a stop with, you know, some of the podcasts and so-called, and it's like having that personal recommendation goes a long way, but being inundated into, and I get very much on the fringe of this,

Starting point is 00:03:49 because Jordan and I are just kind of, maybe we're 47 episodes in as of this morning, you definitely start to see podcasting culture, separating itself out as its own entity. Like me and Taylor were talking about it outside. Interesting. Yeah, well, it's just like, I mean, you can see very distinct lines and maybe personality between like YouTubers and like Instagram famous people, but podcasting is really carving

Starting point is 00:04:14 out its own demographic of not just people like age between this and this or whatever, but mindset, like it's almost becoming like a sect where if you listen to podcasts, you're of this influence politically or you prefer this diet choice over this or you train this way. Tribalism, dude. You know, I mean, it's the display of human nature in a different arena, that's all it is.

Starting point is 00:04:39 I just, it's really interesting to me. What's the stereotype of the podcaster? Fuck. Yeah, let's go. What are you doing of the podcaster? Yeah, let's go. What are you doing to me? It's okay. It's all of them. I see if we think the same.

Starting point is 00:04:49 Sure, I just think for me, everything is a religion based off what you're passionate about, right? So it's like who's at the top? And well, it's easy. Go to iTunes. It's like who's your god, essentially. And it's like, how do how do you do a new man? No, I just, I think,

Starting point is 00:05:07 well, let's, let's, the podcasting culture, I think to me is, well, let's look at the demographic. I mean, it's a very small percentage, and it's rising. And as it will, as I think it's a very content-driven medium, right, where it's like, we talked about this. YouTube can be really precarious because it's, you know, it's, it's jump cuts. It's, it's thumbnails, it's rankings, it's algorithms, it's tags where it's like

Starting point is 00:05:28 with podcasting, by and large, it's the base production value that it takes to be audible in a car is I think much more attainable than that of, you know, both financially and technically than YouTube or Instagram, right? Like, you Like, you got to work out like portrait lenses and like nifty fifties versus this DSLR and this and this shutter speed and ISO and all this. It's like, get a mic. You could do it in your phone really. I'm sure some people do.

Starting point is 00:05:55 So you can actually look up statistics on, you know, the average podcast listener or not. So podcast listeners tend to be more affluent and tend to be more intelligent and higher educated than other mediums, but podcasters Lot of nerds. Yeah, a lot of nerds do like interesting like we we meet a lot of podcasters and they're all so far like kind of intelligent socially awkward a lot of social awkwardness. We've noticed It's and it's almost like, you're right, you start to develop the stereotype

Starting point is 00:06:27 because once you've met so many of them, we start to see. We just, that's your brain handles things. This categorizes, like, okay, this was like this one. It's not a stereotype if it's true, right? Like if a trend, like if I walk into a room and I'm the only white guy there, I'm gonna notice that.

Starting point is 00:06:43 Like I'm not being a stereotype, I'm being mildly observant of my surroundings. But for me, like podcasting culture, it's weird, one thing that's really coming up and I think podcasting is driving a lot of this or the culture's surrounded that, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. When did this become like the men's yoga class? And like nothing against it,

Starting point is 00:07:02 because I guarantee you these guys could absolutely because Oprah does it, bro. Is it, was it Oprah? Oh, it does it. See, I think it's Rogan. That's the Oprah. Oh, I see what you're doing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:13 But it's like, and that's, I think if we look to our deities to the top of the download charts, that the good word is gonna percolate down from. You got Rogan and in the Bay Area, Ferris, I think is more widely resonated as far as like. Yeah, Ferris, Asprey, Rogan, I feel like are in a lot of people. Sure.

Starting point is 00:07:31 Well, Jiu Jitsu and a deprivation chamber has been popular. Yeah, exactly. Well, Jiu Jitsu is, if you're gonna, okay, if you want to learn how to fight, but you don't want to hit each other and you want to be smart, quote quote unquote smart about it, that's the gits here. Well dude, I think it's like, it's like, well if you look at the CTE testing that coming up with now, like that guy of a contention testing without having to exume

Starting point is 00:07:53 the brain like posthumously, dude the UFC is gonna have to make a hard pivot because it's like yeah boxing shirt. I think boxing's too inundated into the boys club culture, that there's too many guys that are gonna want to sit around smoke cigars, watch ring girls, and watch guys kick the shit out of each other. And I think boxing is an institution where UFC,

Starting point is 00:08:13 Fox bought it, now there's one every fucking weekend where maybe it was a little bit different when your data sets were coming from four fights a year and not a fight every weekend. Now all of a sudden these guys are getting to... We'll talk about this in a few tests. That's it, yeah. So it was, and I'm gonna butcher this,

Starting point is 00:08:29 so I'm sorry for anyone who knows the actual hard facts, but essentially what the neurofibularity tangles and the traumatic and stuff, the lopathy. Sorry, I do set it. That came with blows to the head. So that's what you and Junior say, yeah, when he shot himself in the chest, he did it so his brain could be exhumed

Starting point is 00:08:48 and found exactly that, right? So the correlation between, you know, like dementia or Parkinson's or some of these, like neurodegenerative. Depression, anger, or something. And then like going down the road into like alcoholism and substance abuse

Starting point is 00:09:00 and stuff like that. It's something that I actually saw in the NHL like maybe four or five years ago, there was one summer that we lost four enforcers. So it was Rick Ripon, Derek Bougard, Wade B.Lac, and I'm blanking on the fourth one. But all guys that made a living, just giving it and dishing it out when it comes to the fighting.

Starting point is 00:09:19 Like technically proficient enough to skate on the ice, but they were just chain monsters. Yeah, they were, they were self-governance in the league, whereas, like, listen, you got, it was a cold war. It's like, you got this guy, I got this guy. You need that guy. Don't talk about it. And when he was on the ice, it's like,

Starting point is 00:09:33 oh, someone's done this. Someone's going down. Exactly. So, but what is the testing? Is it imaging now? The thing is, you know what, I don't, I think it's radioactive nucleotides that are binding to these neurofibular tangles.

Starting point is 00:09:44 So, I mean, think, and this again, very roughly. Because the hard part with CTE was that there was no way to see if someone had it, and unless you actually took the brain out. And I said that it, so it was like this mysterious, who doesn't have a type of thing. Yeah, so I think they're doing is they can either inject or ingest this radioactive nucleotide,

Starting point is 00:10:04 which will bind to the traumatized area of the brain that are suffering from this, then you can image it. And then I can see a picture. So here's why. So it's like a die that shows up. Exactly, yeah. So if this is really accurate, like they're saying that is,

Starting point is 00:10:18 because I read a little bit about it, and read the whole article, but I read a little bit about it, I think the sport that's going to impact the most is football. I really do because and not because of pro football but because the because the because of boxing and you know because of the signups with kids because because you because you already going down nobody really signs their kids up for full contact boxing anymore. It just

Starting point is 00:10:38 doesn't happen unless you're poor. I mean this is true. Like poor neighborhoods you see lots of kids boxing which is why, which is why you see so many minority succeed in boxing as pros, because that's where they learned his kids. So you don't, so that's not a big thing, but football still is a big thing that people enroll their kids in. And when they have this imaging, and they start showing it in kids who play football, that's where you're going to get this. I think football has an easier pivot though.

Starting point is 00:11:05 I think football haven't easier time. Leather helmets. Boom, nailed it. Like, look at rugby, right? Like, it's, again, it's this idea of like self-limiting behavior. It's just like having that guy on the bench. Put a grenade on everything. Well, that's why I mean, I'll pull the bed.

Starting point is 00:11:18 I'll do it. No, and I think that'll be an easier time where it's like you can't fundamentally change UFC to a point unless you totally change the discipline. What about limiting the gloves? Or actually they're already super rude, right? Like going, because it's not just gloves, man. You've got elbows coming out.

Starting point is 00:11:35 Exactly, elbows are worse. Fucking wack. You know what they're gonna do, right? You know what they'll do? They'll turn it back into old school Japanese pancreas. Remember pancreas tournament? So the Japanese had, the Brazilians and the Japanese were the ones that had MMA before anybody else. And the Japanese had a version of it called, that they called it pancreas.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Now pancreas is, was full contact fighting in the ancient Olympics. So they used that name, but it wasn't the same in the Japanese version, which you can actually go on YouTube and watch some of these old fights. I can Shamrock fought in it before he fought in the UFC. Frank Shamrock was a champion. Boss Routin was a pancreas champion back in the day and you could hit to the head but you had to do open, open poem. Oh yeah. Was it one of the so-called guys you had them on the podcast. Does stuff with Rogan all the time wasn't he talking about that? I don't remember. Oh fuck right in the shop. Yes. Oh, which by the way unreal episode one of my favorite my I was yeah, that was great. You know, he's such a good

Starting point is 00:12:35 I was really excited to interview him and I know like we used to like speculate before You know the fight in the kid like part of their success. Why is it why are they so good? Oh, Brian Callan's a comedian, he's so funny. But when you meet Brennan Shob, you realize like he is very talented. He's very, very talented. He's an incredible storyteller, so easy to interview. It's, I can always tell when there's someone, like there's some people that like it's worked.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Like there's, they're really challenging to interview. I felt like we, I had a really hard time just recently with Dave Asprey, like I throw these great questions that I feel like a good storyteller would just open up and tell us, but so guarded, so many walls up, it's tough to break through. Brennan Shobbs, I can open book and he's got a story for everything you ask him. That's makes for a very good reason. I love being on the show because it's like, do you remember Inception? How it ends? We're like the dreidel spins,

Starting point is 00:13:25 and you don't know if you're in the present reality or not. We go so many layers past an original question that I'm like, I don't know where we started, but I'm just clover here. So every time I leave here, there's just a dreidel spinning in my head. I feel like it started with one question, and it's like, did we answer that first question?

Starting point is 00:13:41 But here's, and this is, this is a big, I love it, I love it. Well, this was part of it. Well, this was part of our formula that we realized really quick that people wanted, was like, I want a real conversation. I want to put this guy, this guy, this guy, or this girl and these guys in their room together, and I want to hear what they would really talk about.

Starting point is 00:13:55 And this is really what we would fuck a talk about. And that's one of my favorite questions that I, I, I, I, I, I'll sometimes pose to people whether on the podcast or not, it's like, if you could pick to have dinner with three people that are alive, just get to, to think where they're seeking out their information from. I think that's, that to, is like, if you could pick to have dinner with three people that are alive, just to get to think where they're seeking out their information from.

Starting point is 00:14:07 I think that's, that to me is like, really telling a person, it's like, if you could spend time and talk to someone, like unguarded, who would that be? Have you had some interesting ones or what, have you had it? Yeah, I do usually, I mean, you got, like, Hitler's always one that's there.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Oh wow. Which is like, it kind of throws you for a loop. But then if you think about, if the person's intelligent enough, I can kind of get it, if if like he's got like a, I don't know, like a swastika tattooed on him. It's like, oh my gosh. I'm a little worried about your motivations.

Starting point is 00:14:30 You got on the boilerplate stuff, I don't know. I'm never really blown away, but that's one that's made its way on the list so many times that it when I stopped to think about it, it was like, who are your three? Oh, it depends on the day. Today feels like a Seinfeld day.

Starting point is 00:14:44 It's Seinfeld would be there. Um, so dad or alive, shit. Um, I like John Stewart. Really like John Stewart. Um, and I think just because I'm in like a, like a media vein today. Uh, yeah. Huh. Any big athletes?

Starting point is 00:15:00 Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Thank you. Shit. Uh, Lance Armstrong. Oh, 100% I would love later. We want him or she. Yeah, you, oh, yeah. Thank you. Shit. Uh, Lance Armstrong. Oh, 100% I would love later. I would love him. I want him. I want him. Yeah, you know what, man? I freaking, I go to, I was in, where was I? I was in Maui with my wife's extended family. So her father's brother and their kids.

Starting point is 00:15:16 And there was some documentary on, um, this was like last year. It's like an old tape. And I went to bat for him in front of people. I've never met who I'm gonna have to spend the rest of my life around. And it's like, oh, I can't believe that. And it's like to me, it's like, you know what, man, for the amount of people that are coming out across all sports with drug use. How many, you know, who are the big ones now?

Starting point is 00:15:39 UFC, they got Diaz a few times, right? How many hundreds of million dollars did that guy raise for children's cancer? Anyone? No crickets? All right, then shut up. I don't know why. I mean, yeah, and the thing is, did you watch Icarus? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:53 Holy man, that was insane. And the one thing that highlighted was like, show me a failed drug test. Show me if you did 500. It's like, if you gotta play the game, win the fucking game and guess what? Well, yeah, what's that old saying going, if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Starting point is 00:16:08 That's it. Well, when they interview that Richard Pound guy, I said, is it possible to get an Olympic gold medal without drugs? And he did was just like the longest pause that said more than words, different good. And just like, tough break. It's just a part of the training now.

Starting point is 00:16:22 Yeah. Well, it's just a part of it. Back to the football thing and why, I don't know if we could go to the leather leather helmets or not because I really feel like Yeah, as soon as you see if we can head fracture we we there would totally not let the Well, the change of style of that's not that's not why because that's what would end up happening right because obviously Someone's head's not gonna explode. They're gonna stop the carols But I feel like from a consumer. I mean, it's like, what happened when we, when baseball? It's the decals.

Starting point is 00:16:46 Remember how we stopped watching baseball got really boring, no home runs or that, which by the way, let's talk about that. Okay, I'm gonna switch gears in. Cause you're actually a guy, I would love to. You're just for a second, we had an album. Adam is a habitual gear changer. I, well, have you,

Starting point is 00:16:59 well, it's not every day I get like another, like, person who's into sports in here that I can find and talk about. And we can get into like, I wanna go back to football, but we'll go with you. Yeah, yeah, we'll go back there, but I wanna go into baseball right now because you are somebody I get like another like person who's into sports in here that I can talk about and we can get into like conspiracy theories. I want to go back to football, but we'll go with you. Yeah, yeah, we'll go back there, but I want to go into baseball right now because you are somebody I'd like to ask this question. I don't know how much you follow it or not, but did you know that this year they're about

Starting point is 00:17:14 to surpass the home run, the home run record year of when all the steroids came out? Like when Sammy saw some of us. Yes, I did not know that. Oh, there's not a huge follower of baseball. So there's an explosion right now on a home run. Now, is it, is it particular people leading the charge or just the numbers rising from the bottom up? Yeah, everything.

Starting point is 00:17:33 Okay, so there's not a couple of like the same thing. Right, so interesting. So the juice of the ball or what? So the theory is that they're doing something with the ball. And my theory is, so when they, when they first built Cours Field in Colorado, they were having a problem with too many home runs.

Starting point is 00:17:50 Partial pressure of oxygen. So what they do is in Colorado, they have a humidor that they keep the balls in. Keeping the balls in. So they keep the balls in a humidor before the game starts and then they play with them then. Deflate gate. Right, so that's been,

Starting point is 00:18:03 so that was the calm, the home runs down and making it an even playing field like the rest of the stadiums. So my theory is if that was the case, then couldn't you do the reverse process, right? Over-hydrate them, right? With like, You mean dry the board?

Starting point is 00:18:15 I mean, dry them all the way out, right? And then they would be hard as a rock and fly like crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess look at batting percentages. Like, are they hitting the ball more often? Because that, I mean, if they're hitting the ball the same amount that's going farther than, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:30 But if they're hitting the ball more often, dude, I think no tropics or let's take it a step out. Like maybe there's just everyone's on the out-of-all train. Right? Like if you're like Bart Simpson focusing on that one. It's exactly, honestly. I don't think so. Well, I mean, you want to double back

Starting point is 00:18:44 to the original question of this inception field of podcasting and podcasting culture. You know, there's guys that'll go the no tropic route or the psychedelic route. But like, let's just go straight and methamphetamines and let's just, I swear I've been in rooms with guys who are like, I mean, I've taken Adderall before, for example, and holy shit.

Starting point is 00:19:04 And I've seen that in other people, like the full on life. Well, so you have the Adderall before, for example, holy shit. And I've seen that in other people, like the full on life. Well, so you know, the Adderall stair. Here's my, this Komi hasn't blinked in like three hours. Why is that? No one's seeing this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's why I don't think it's Adderall and baseball

Starting point is 00:19:18 or something like that, because methamphetamines have been around a long time. They've been using them for a while. Remember Babe Ruth pointed out the left field? You tell me it wasn't like, coked out of his flight. Just like what it says. It does that ration while. Remember Babe Ruth pointed out the left field? He told me he wasn't like, coaked out of his fire. He was like, what is this guy doing? He does that rationally.

Starting point is 00:19:27 Who is that one? Who is that one? There was one pitcher in the 1970s who took, dropped a bunch of acid. Oh, jeez. For God, he had a game. Oh my God. He's like, oh, fuck, I gotta play.

Starting point is 00:19:39 Goes out and, and pitches a no, a no-hitter. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. That's a true story, Doug. Maybe you can look that up. He's like the Yankees. He pitched a no-hitter on LSD. Look that up. That's unbelievable. Yeah, that's a real, a no-hitter. Unbelievable, I've never heard of it. That's a true story, Doug. Maybe you can look that up. He pitched a no-hitter on LSD. Look that up. That's unbelievable. Yeah, that's a true story.

Starting point is 00:19:50 I feel like I've heard that. Which is like pitching a no-hitter is already impressive. Right, right. This guy deserves a trophy. You don't make law from bad cases. I think is a paradigm that should be applied there where it's like, if you hear this in your pitcher, don't try. Maybe apply some sort of like internal logical consistency

Starting point is 00:20:06 and don't like call your guy before your next game. Yeah, right. So, oh there it is. Oh you found it? What's his name? Oh it was a video. Doc Ellis or something was his name? Oh.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Was it Doc? Yeah it was some black guy from the men's. Doc Ellis. Yes. Yes he hit a no hitter on acid. Ha ha ha. Man, that really boosts sales and the memoirs, I think. Good for him.

Starting point is 00:20:27 Yeah. Back to Justin wanting to go back to the football. Oh, yeah. The reason why I don't think it's going to go that way is because we've been so conditioned. I mean, let's be honest, the best part of what watching Indy 500 or watching football is the crashes, is the explosions, is the hits, is the, oh, it's the high risk, right? And people wanna, they wanna see that and they wanna see how people deal with it.

Starting point is 00:20:49 But why don't we all watch rugby? But that's not the so good. That's what I was gonna ask to with like how, I honestly do feel like rugby will make more of a popular stamp because of all this controversy for a while. Like that's gonna be an option that like you can get that physicality by going in that direction. What I think will steer the ship, like anything is gonna be an option that like you can get that physicality by going in that direction. What I think will steer the ship,

Starting point is 00:21:05 like anything is gonna be the money, right? If you start seeing Pepsi and you know, Viagra and shit going over and dropping their money at the World Cup, then not putting it into, then yeah, we're really happy. Cause you see vicious hits, dude. So I watch y'all black. Yeah, what about the fucking shit?

Starting point is 00:21:20 What about the Southbound freeway? What about this? I think where we're going with virtual and AI shit is that we are gonna be able to make real soon here. Like, if let's say I'm a guy who's born now, right? And in 20 years, I'm in the NFL now, right? And this is in the future. I worked my way through my ability to control my body

Starting point is 00:21:41 like in a setting that's safe like this. And then we see it virtually. We'll see a bunch of avatars playing football. Yes, the avatars, but it looks just like us. Because we're already making fucked-alls that look like chicks that look real on point. I hate that you might be right. Right.

Starting point is 00:21:56 And then you can... It's like technical ball, remember when technical ball, like you had the computer just play itself. So you could take it to the next level. And I mean, now we can see even bigger hits. Oh my God, that dude got killed. You know what I'm saying? He's out for the season, he got killed.

Starting point is 00:22:11 I mean, I hope to God. And that's funny, again, maybe double back to the main question. At some point, we gotta keep this on Terra firma here. Like we gotta keep, like the amount of, in podcasting called to the amount of biometric stuff I'm seeing and like all this stuff

Starting point is 00:22:27 with externalizing the human experience to computers, to data sources, to AI and all that, machine learning, it's like, at some point we still gotta be human fucking beings. Well, I don't see that as entertaining. I don't know, very personally, but again, I'm not. Here, two points I wanna move with that. Here's with football, I'll make this point right here.

Starting point is 00:22:45 I don't think pro- There's something interesting. I don't think pro football is gonna be impacted because people don't wanna watch pro football players hurt each other. I think pro football will be impacted because when we realize, or if we realize, we don't know yet, if they're hitting each other hard enough,

Starting point is 00:23:01 if we realize that children are causing mild forms of CTE on themselves, football loses its feeder programs. The culture starts to change, and it won't happen overnight, but if it'll happen over generations to where people will stop watching football because nobody wants to let their kids play. I thought they did a study on this already, that the force, the speed, and that the kids are hitting each other

Starting point is 00:23:22 at isn't enough to do. Who did the study? Bullshit. So here's why I call bullshit because the imaging that you know we were just talking about didn't exist. So what they're doing is they're coming up with their bullshit calculations. I don't trust them. Now I'm not saying that kids are causing damage. We don't know because kids run and fall time.

Starting point is 00:23:40 But if they show that, that's what could fuck up football. Now as far as this, you know, this future of externalizing ourself in this and that, for me, you know what that points to when people talk about that? It points to humans, natural, narcissistic thought process where we think we're so fucking awesome that we think we figured ourselves out. Well, you haven't, like consciousness is still the greatest mystery of all time.

Starting point is 00:24:07 And I just posted an article today in the forum where scientists are observing quantum behavior in what they call microtubules in the brain. So they're saying that maybe brain phenomena is actually happening on a quantum level. Well, good luck now, Trana. Well, did you see this stuff about the computer they made? It was like these two bits that they entered into a same ecosystem. They were both trained or programmed in a certain way that this

Starting point is 00:24:32 was the resource you needed. And then they had their both their own sort of preset ecosystem and it was totally analogous. It was one to one. And they introduced the other bit into it and they didn't teach it how to do it. but then the two bits started got connived They came at their own language. Yeah, they tried to stop the other one from from getting to that resource Yeah, so it's like maybe human nature is an exclusive to humans at all Like yeah, and that's kind of the scary part because like everyone talks about AI. I know why would they be competitive? Like what's the advantage? Well, it's like how did they learn to be competitive when you talk them everything you think you know,

Starting point is 00:25:08 you can teach them. And it's just like that survival instinct. So hard, hard, crazy. Especially when like AI, or people talk about like aliens, like well, if aliens can make it here, then they're better than us in a fact that they don't have this manifest destiny because that's a self-limiting human behavior.

Starting point is 00:25:24 So they think it's like, well, what if they did have that? That would be fucked, right? Because that's like Elon Musk will talk about that, like, hey, be really careful of AI. Or like, Steven Hawking's, I think, was going on record and be like, you guys don't know what you're messing with here. Like, I think Microsoft did one where the AI,

Starting point is 00:25:42 it went to Twitter to learn how to speak. And then by the time they came in for their morning coffee it was like spitting out racial epithets. Yeah, it was just like shut it down, shut it down, maybe Twitter probably the best media for this like, learn. Yeah, I mean, you went on to the hash ads. We could very well create artificial intelligence that through the process of achieving its own enlightenment goes to these stages of becoming this evil murderous machine. And then by the time it's like, oh I'm enlightened now, and everybody's dead. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:26:08 So, who know? But again, I think we're so narcissistic that we think we know what that looks like, or what real artificial learning can control it, right? What's, well, what self-awareness really looks like. What do they call it, the TORIG test, where we ask computer particular set of questions to determine whether or not it's really self-awareaware or if it's pretending to be self-aware. That's another question in and of itself. How do you know it's really conscious?

Starting point is 00:26:32 Yeah. What's it been like over at Stanford? I mean right now it's a lot of meetings. A lot of just planning for the season. Really? Yeah. I'm getting everyone on the same page. As far as boots on the ground, planning for the season, off season, injury rates, stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:26:46 What's your position there? Head strength conditioning coach for men's and women's rugby. Awesome. Yeah, so I mean, kind of in my purview or in my vein of thinking lately is, you know, because they don't, they don't, they don't honestly like looking at the injury rates, the concussions are not there.

Starting point is 00:27:01 AC joints, ACLs, stuff like that. Yeah, but I've seen somebody snap their finger, but that was, yeah. But it's like, yeah, it's more of a- There's a prosthetic for that. Yeah, there's no prosthetic for this. Your mind is way more. And that's the thing that strikes me to

Starting point is 00:27:16 with Stanford especially is like, these kids are smart, like beyond smart. Like, because if you don't play ball resource Yeah, and if if to like you know, there's not the Just in college sports like pro sports. There's not the the the lens on it. There's not the microscope on rugby, right? So it's like if you're pursuing it You're also pursuing another thing like you can go to a D1 school, get a communications degree, do your four years, through the NC

Starting point is 00:27:48 UBA, and then know and coming out the other end, you'll go in the draft, and you'll make a couple million dollars. That is a conscious business decision that a lot of these people make. They get through with the required GPA necessary to pass, and I'm sure even not even at Stanford, the kids that are going through that are really smart, but if you're pursuing rugby in an institution like that, there's gotta be some steal in the walls academically because it's like, you're not gonna come out the other side, make a million dollars. So is that what you're noticing?

Starting point is 00:28:18 This is probably the smartest group of athletes you've probably ever been around? Oh, I mean, and that would be across the board of anyone. Like I've worked in an administrative role at Stanford for two years and it's everyone is like a super, it's to the point where it's like, I feel like if someone walked in and they're like, all right, which one of these isn't like the other one. They came that guy right there.

Starting point is 00:28:34 What is he doing here? It buster, no, it's just, it's an insane, I like it because working in the Silicon Valley have worked at, that worked in Apple for a year before opening my private practice and seeing, I don't want this to be come off like in Cindy area, anything like that, but the level of entitlement that comes with holding down these positions at these institutions that are world renowned. You meet people from Facebook, it's like that statistic, they're people from Harvard,

Starting point is 00:29:01 like if 15 seconds of meeting someone that it's gone to Harvard, they'll have mentioned the fact that they have gone to Harvard. Where Stanford, I feel like, is a little bit more, what's the word? Genuine, like, there's not really financial incentive to work at Stanford. Like, they get, it's the prestige that they're after, so you really get people who are passionate about what they do. So, in the past, I'd work with a lot of physicians, a lot of members of the hospital and stuff like that. If these guys went to Kaiser or went to like Sinai or went somewhere else, like they'd be making a killing. But the fact that they have access to all this money and it's not going in their pocket, but they have access to the best facilities and the best education and the best people. They pursue it there because that's their passion.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Is it true that Stanford and Apple are working together? Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone's in, I mean, Samsung's working with Apple, right? There's labs from Stanford that are an Apple, Apple's labs that poach through the Stanford. I mean, engineering at Stanford, I think is probably MIT and Stanford are probably one, two, depending on whether you're going like electrical or mechanical or CS or anything like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:12 It's just the, you know, I mean, it's like anything, right? Like they're talking about, you're medicine or engineering or something, but they're passionate about it. Because like if you're passionate about money, it's like, I can't really resonate with that, but they're actually passionate about the outcome, not the income, and it's like...

Starting point is 00:30:29 That's what I found. I've trained a lot of surgeons, because my old gym used to be next to Goods and Merton. Oh, yeah, just so I have like, so fast come there. Yeah, so I used to train a lot of surgeons and doctors, and when they come in and I work with them, I just, most of them didn't even drive like super nice cars. They drove like a regular Honda.

Starting point is 00:30:46 One of my guys who was a vascular surgeon, very successful drove a Nissan Pathfinder that had like 150,000 miles. They were, they just not into it, but they're super, super smart people, really passionate about what they do. And many of them volunteered, every year they would volunteer hours,

Starting point is 00:31:06 like one of the doctors without borders, and stuff like that. And go overseas. So I just gained such a respect for people in that field because of that, because I always thought of doctors as, now I've worked with plastic surgeons, little different.

Starting point is 00:31:18 Plastic surgeons tend to be a little bit different. I know it's a stereotype, but yeah, the surgeons I worked with like that. Yeah, it just seems like, I mean, it's just altruistic, like even in the technical field, their goal is to improve humanity where I think some of these major companies

Starting point is 00:31:32 in the Silicon Valley that people identify with, like how many people I saw when I worked at Apple that had Apple tattoos on them? Oh, yeah, dude, 100%. And I'm talking to people. It's totally everything, yeah, I mean, it is. But it means that's, and I don't wanna pick on Apple, probably because And I'm talking to people. It's totally everything. Yeah, I mean, it is. But it was called in.

Starting point is 00:31:46 And I don't want to pick on Apple, probably, because they have a mean legal team. Yeah. I mean, everything from. We like iTunes? Like, yeah. Hey, there you go. Shout out.

Starting point is 00:31:56 Apple, Facebook, Google, and it's funny. We talked about sex of, you know, you can tell a difference between an Instagram or a YouTuber or a podcast. I can tell the difference between someone that works at Cisco and someone that works at Facebook and someone that works at Google. I think they're all building their own, you want to go back to conspiracy theories. I think they're all building their own ecosystems.

Starting point is 00:32:16 They're own 100%. That's what we're watching. Right now. They're building these huge soon. Seen the new spaceship. Dude, dude, right? Crazy mental. I wouldn't be surprised if one day I'm coming out

Starting point is 00:32:29 like the whole thing. It takes off. Exactly, bro. Exactly. I haven't been thinking after this day. Yeah, this is just, shh, shh, I'm gonna come out of the hole for you. It's like, I guess I wasn't on the ship.

Starting point is 00:32:39 Yeah, no, and we'll, too, like, especially local near having Tesla, that's scary. Tesla and PayPal. I've heard whispers that he's behind Bitcoin. So I've heard that, because I really know who created it. Yeah. Let's talk about cryptocurrency. I'm a fuck.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Okay, so I bought, right? So I'm on the Litecoin train right now and looking at XRP because I, before I thought that we were going to see these Facebook, Google, Apple, these communities, right? So hang in there and pay attention to where I'm going with this. There's gonna be, within Apple,

Starting point is 00:33:15 there's gonna be some of the best doctors in the world. There's gonna be the best movie theaters, the best grocery stores. You're gonna have all that within. And then on there, you can use Apple Points to purchase all this stuff. And they get... How is that different than AppleBit?

Starting point is 00:33:29 You have the 10, I know you do, because you said me talking Poo emoji now. But like, when how easy is this? They're best feature. A single best feature. I blew so much money the last three weeks since I got the phone. It's fucking insane how easy it is.

Starting point is 00:33:43 It's too easy. It's developing new currency. Yes, yes. Because Venmo is PayPal. Right, it's fucking insane how easy it is. It's too easy. It's developing new currency. Yeah, yes. Because Venmo is PayPal. Right, that's the thing. But those are still dollars. Yeah, you're too easy for dollars. It's the first step to a better, more efficient,

Starting point is 00:33:56 and the dollars just continually decline. So I'm reading a really good book right now called The Bankruptcy of our Nation. And it just gets in. Oh, you're in my house now. Oh, bro, I love this shit. So, well, and if you look at history and like all of their fiat money, oh, no, don't start talking like that, bro, you can do me.

Starting point is 00:34:11 Go off. Dude, go. Let's see like the Illuminati, like triangle. I am. Well, you got to explain what a fiat currency is. Right. So it's, yeah, it's based off of, it's based off of you key. It's not backed, right?

Starting point is 00:34:22 So if we can't back it by gold, you can't back it by something. So it's basically, it's not, yeah, the US, it's made up. It's a fake value. Yeah. Well, it's backed by the government. The government. It's backed by our military. It's actually what really backs us, what really backs

Starting point is 00:34:36 the US dollar now is the petro dollar, is the fact that all oil, the major OPEC nations, the OPEC nations, the world will only sell their oil for US dollars, which is what protects our dollar. If they were to drop that and start using other currencies or start using gold or stuff like that, the dollar would collapse. Which is, there's a lot of conspiracy theories as to why we went into Libya, which we hated Libya for a long time, but it wasn't until they decided to start creating their own gold back securities that we went in there and fucked them up, or how JFK was gonna create, have the US government mint its own money that was silver,

Starting point is 00:35:16 and not the Federal Reserve, and then he got popped, and all these, you could go down the rabbit hole with this kind of shit. Well, cryptocurrencies, in my opinion, has to be, and we're seeing the evolution of it like with like you're saying Apple pay, it's becoming to the point, and if you looked at the evolution of money, cryptocurrencies, in my opinion, has to be, and we're seeing the evolution of it like with like you're saying Apple Pay, it's becoming to the point, and if you looked at the evolution of money, right,

Starting point is 00:35:29 we started off with like tangible things that we would trade like gold, right? Like if I wanted to go buy something of a lot of value, I'd carry all this gold and give it to her. Well, that became ridiculous after a while, right? So it's like, okay, so now we come up with coins, and then the coins go turn into paper money. So now when I want to buy something that's worth $10,000, it's just a little tiny little stack.

Starting point is 00:35:47 So I can carry that. So what's the next evolution to that is not having to carry anything being completely safe and protected like cryptocurrency and be it all say like you and I be talking right now. I'll be like, hey, I like those shoes. Oh, I like those shoes too. I'll give you 50 bit coins for that. Oh, yeah, okay, cool. Look at your phone, boom, done. Now give me your shoes. Well then that's the problem. Is every time you take a, you move a deviation away from that, the gold standard, money becomes less valuable to people.

Starting point is 00:36:15 As far as I think of a casino, that's why you walk in and get chips. Cause it's like, oh yeah, fuck, I don't need this plastic thing. I've never seen this before. There you go, yeah, I'll throw a thousand on black or whatever. Where it's like every time you, now we're devying towards that,

Starting point is 00:36:26 it's like, it wasn't so easy, like, I don't, I kind of like, South shoes better. If I wanted South shoes, I'd be like, he's got the black socks on today. I want everyone to. Everyone here that I'm rocking like. Yeah, I would do it. But it's like, I wouldn't think to pull out my wallet

Starting point is 00:36:41 and give Sal and have some sort of bartering system. But if I just had to go on my phone, I'd be like, hey, Sal, you're size 12. Here's the deal with cryptocurrencies. The deal is the reason why, first and foremost, we don't know who created them. It's an algorithm that will never inflate because it always produces less and less bitcoins as it goes along. The reason why it became popular, let's be honest, is because you could purchase things

Starting point is 00:37:03 with bitcoins in ways where they cannot trace you. So if you go to the dark web or where people are buying like the, what was that website that got shut down? Silk Road. Silk Road. People buy drugs and stuff with, so they're laundering of money through big guys that have bought drugs with cash. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:22 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But not online. Sure. That's the way, now people are doing it. That's not true, yes you do. Yeah. So, online, online, it is very difficult to trace or track somebody who uses a cryptocurrency versus using dollars or money.

Starting point is 00:37:39 Now, here's the thing though. It's moving to, how are you, how are you not, I can't believe you're not all the way on the train because to me, it's what's moving us back into like a free market. Well, no, hold on. How do they maintain the scarcity of it? Hold on, hold on. There's a way to do that.

Starting point is 00:37:51 Yeah, for a point, there's only 20. There's only, there's only, yes you can. You kiss you can if you don't create more. There's 22 million bitcoins available. So it will have a ceiling. So, and if it does go where it's going, speculate on the value of one single point. They'll go down to fractions and you'll end up using like a one tenth of a-

Starting point is 00:38:09 Right, right, right. Exactly, but imagine somebody right now to invest in one of those, like so major, major cryptocurrencies right now. If you just, like, I've urged people that, listen, if you got three, four hundred bucks to throw at a light coin or one of these ones that are only three or four hundred for a single one, throw by one, by one, and hold on to it, because if this goes where it's gonna go,

Starting point is 00:38:26 the fact that there's be only 22 million in circulation means that, and we will create the value of it as, and are there more than 22 millionaires? 100 millionaires are there? Absolutely, that would take, I'd give a million dollars to have one. Here's my problem with Bitcoin. Right now people buying it,

Starting point is 00:38:40 most people are hoarding it. So people who are buying it and investing in it, they're not even like doing commerce. They're hoarding it. There's been houses that have been purchased with big coins. They have, they're have, but hold on a second. Right now you see a lot of hoarding. I'm going to just recently. It could very well, and a lot of people speculate that it was created by governments to track illegal transactions. So you think I can't be tracked online buying

Starting point is 00:39:03 ship. I'm sure that can be seriously. But besides that, besides that, right now a lot of people are buying it to speculate on it not to buy it as a currency and they're sitting on it Right, which means the value of it has been inflated like crazy. So you got to be careful I I know what I think is there's gonna be there's gonna be 50 of them 100 of them different cryptocurrency It's blockchain is the technology cryptocurrency Cryptocurrency is just like a, it's another type of using it. So I think like, let's say for example, we have competing currency.

Starting point is 00:39:29 Yes, exactly. Let's say Amazon decides to accept, which there's rumors around Amazon accepting Bitcoin. So Amazon starts to accept, that becomes their cryptocurrency. Well, then Apple decides the partner with, you know, Litecoin or someone, and there's gonna be I think a hundred of them,

Starting point is 00:39:43 and they all create, and we'll, What have you heard about that one that actually you trade gold be, I think, a hundred of them, and they all create, and we'll. When you heard about that one, that actually, you trade gold, so it still has a bit of a gold standard field, but like, you're a gold cap somewhere. Yes, I have heard about that. If you can actually trade through e-commerce,

Starting point is 00:39:55 you can trade the gold. The right to the gold is in a vault. So you have a tangible thing at the right. It's like going back to the old days. That's how blacksmiths like that. I like that idea, just because, like, you can always get it. Gold's good, you know, it's like a tangibles I like that idea is because you can always get it.

Starting point is 00:40:05 It's like a tangible thing that still exists, which I think people are always afraid of just having nothing but numbers. I just think it's the natural progression of what we've seen for so many years. We've seen this natural evolution of like how why is currency changed over the last 100 plus year? Over, why is it changed like that in the first place? That's going to disrupt governments. Yeah, because money is trust. Currently is trust, right?

Starting point is 00:40:29 And I know some of the kids that, you know, they smoke way too much dope stay way up way too late on YouTube. I've bought into this. And if these fucking guys end up getting power because they bought a lot of Bitcoin, the world is in. So the very fact that like, you know, Bayzo's, there's much more to that. A.I. to come in and clean. Yeah, exactly. But it's like the fact that Bayzo's is thinking about, like, or rumors of Bitcoin. Good, good.

Starting point is 00:40:52 We need them to have money. Because they're smart people. I trust that they are gonna make the right, or if they get some financial ancillary kickback and doing so and he's, you see he's like the first guy to break 100 bill. A couple will look like last month. It's the big race to the, to be a trillionaire, right?

Starting point is 00:41:06 That's the big race. Is that what it is? The big rap was really close. The big race between the four. Who are so forward being Facebook, Google, Apple, and Amazon. Oh, crazy. I got a quote for you.

Starting point is 00:41:18 You're a booker. The trillion cash. That's the race right now. I got a quote for you. Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the loss. That was Ross Child, who said that quote years ago, decades ago, this is, excuse me, you know, over two centuries ago, or I think in 1700s, the people who are going to freak out the most over this kind of stuff are these major like federal reserve. Yeah, like these

Starting point is 00:41:40 huge central banking, central banking is one of the, has performed some of the worst evils of all time. And they're the ones that stand to lose the most with something like this. But that's the way everything goes. Expect, if this shit actually starts to threaten, it's not threatening anything right now because when it does, you better believe

Starting point is 00:42:01 some shit's gonna go down and it's not gonna be pretty. Well, either that or what you'll see is what when you start and that's when you better be racing to the bank to be getting someone getting on it yourself is when the bank start investing in it when the banks actually start taking their money and going we better hedge our bets here and buy up some of the shit so we're not we're not standing there and you know they're fucking our dicks on our hand well that's what kind of happened with you when they were hedging their bets on the on the The real estate thing though when that crashed in 2008. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's I think it's very interesting I think when you look at history You know, we didn't even talk about like all the all the other failed currencies all the other all the other countries and nations that had had Currency yeah currencies will fail eventually right all of them do it so it's it's it's not a matter of... The collapse of the dollar is some economists say.

Starting point is 00:42:47 And ever will. It's one of the biggest threat to the sovereignty of our nation. Yeah. It's the collapse of the dollar. Well, I mean, everything is moving decentralized. Like, like, the whole food is, or even like fucking Chipotle. Like, when they got in, like, you know, they were dicing out salmon alabritos for like,

Starting point is 00:43:03 but I think, and if, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure what they were attempting to do was they were attempting to locally source for a chain across the country. So they weren't doing the due diligence on quality assurance because they just couldn't manage the logistics of, you know, going to each one of these farms, but they were attempting to locally source their produce and their meat from local to that particular franchise. So it's like, I fairly know we'll pursue that kind of felt flat for a little bit, although I still go to Chipotle if I'm hungry, but I think- I'll feel the diary.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Decentralizing, decentralizing, and like, which is weird, because I still remember being in the sixth grade, and we have classical, I don't know if you guys have social studies. Yeah. So yeah, social studies, and we talked about globalization and like how crazy global is it and to see that in my lifetime as short as it's been pretty much almost be totally like everything everything everything that can be decentralized is becoming decentralized. Yeah, which is why I feel like you would think would you agree more with the crypto No, I'm not I'm not disagreeing. I think the future is in competing currencies.

Starting point is 00:44:05 It has to be right. I'm just saying right now what you're seeing with Bitcoin is a lot of fervor, a lot of, a lot of people speculating and I see a major crash. Okay. So why are you coming before why I see a correction? Okay. It does have the signs of something that exists in a bubble. Well, and this is why too, though, because right and what you're seeing right now, so Bitcoin has become like the Kleenex of blowing your nose right tissue paper. So it doesn't mean it's the best, and it's not the best, and that's why this is the most known.

Starting point is 00:44:38 Yes, it's the most popular, the most well known, because it's got the most publicity, but there's already other cryptocurrencies that are coming up that are showing that they have less errors, that they're more efficient. And that's where, so it's really like trying to bet on the right horse. That's going to get picked up by something like Amazon or someone huge like that. And right now there's all this speculation around Bitcoin being accepted by Amazon, but the reality maybe it may be a cryptocurrency none of us even heard of, or they may get

Starting point is 00:45:04 the blockchain technology themselves and create it for all we fucking know. I don't know, but I'm very fascinated in cryptocurrency and I think it's around the corner for us sooner than we think. And I know it's weird to say it, but this whole iPhone X experience for me has really got my brain spinning around that way

Starting point is 00:45:21 because I'm not kidding, because the immediate transactions, yes, you have to pay attention to. Well, you can't stop the decentralization, that's how you just can't. There's nothing you could do to stop it. I mean, they try to, then neutrality was a good idea,

Starting point is 00:45:34 like for them to try and slow down or stop, you know, this fucking explosion. She's a slow-during thing on that? Yeah. Yeah, you can. That'll fall, you see it that way. Yeah, that's what it's said. Sounded a post on it,

Starting point is 00:45:44 oh, did you see it? Yeah that sound that a post on the uh... you did a post on the form trying to get their hands on stopping this decentralizing effect are trying to get their hands on being able to regulate things but the problem is that legislators can't legislate as faster than the technology can advance they just can't do it so even if net neutrality was still a thing even if

Starting point is 00:46:03 the government was regulating all these phone lines and now they have their hand on the controls, technology's gonna come out with another way to deliver the internet. Well, it's the motivation to progress is always gonna be greater. Like look at drugs and sports. They'll always be drugs in the Olympics as long as

Starting point is 00:46:18 the motivation of someone, like that study, oh fuck, I forget what it's called, but it's like if you ask 90% of what I would. Yeah, called, but it's like, if you ask 90%, I would. Yeah, if you were to die, if you gave you a limp at gold, like if you could win, take something that'll kill you and fight you. I think that was on Icarus. I think that was an Icarus.

Starting point is 00:46:32 I think it was. Okay, I was impressed with it. I saw the same, I read the same study, they said if you ask somebody that this would kill you, if you get gold medal, but it's gonna kill you in five years, it was 98%. Yeah, almost all of them said yes. And it's like, that's the same mindset of human nature that's just being you in five years. Absolutely. It was great. Yes, almost all of them said yes. And it's like, that's the same mindset of human nature

Starting point is 00:46:48 that's just being applied in a different arena again, where it's like, yeah, the motivation of someone to be liberated away from centralized governments and from regulation and to be able to buy. And again, it's like, you know, I'm not gonna go buy a kidney off some with Bitcoin. I could. And it's nice to think that if I need it I think that's the only way you can yeah

Starting point is 00:47:07 But it's like I just I just think that like the the big brother mentality is is it's been around for so long that it's on its way out and that people are just clawing to the last grips of control Yeah, it's once that switches over once the money goes everything goes Yeah, there's a little bit of a Let's just stop a company like Apple, who gets all the things that I say, where you have the best doctors and the best of everything. What is to stop them from saying, okay, let's say the average salary of an Apple employee right now, let's just say for argument's

Starting point is 00:47:38 sake is $150,000 a year. What is to stop Apple by devaluing the dollar themselves by saying nobody makes more than $50,000 a year, but we're going to scale you up through Apple points. And it makes total sense for you as an employee to take 200,000 Apple points because if that is, if you can use those Apple points to go to the doctor, to go to the grocery store, to go to the movies, to go at, do your inner, if they've created a little world like that. That's how they'll scoot around the laws I'll make sure they pay you minimum wage, but then everything else is Apple points. But, you know, it's funny.

Starting point is 00:48:09 It's good. I mean, it's gonna be crazy, and I'll take it a step further. I'll take it a step further. I don't think the future is gonna have major super powerful corporations either. I don't. I think companies like Apple, Google,

Starting point is 00:48:25 you name it Facebook, whatever. I think these companies, when patents become obsolete, excuse me, when patents become obsolete, which they will be, at some point soon, it's gonna be obsolete to patent something because there's gonna be technology for people to just replicate it on their own. You're gonna see major decentralization of wealth as well.

Starting point is 00:48:47 That's like the last remaining bureaucracy. That's it, that's it. That's it. When I can copy your music, I can copy your movies, I can copy your clothes, I can copy your technology, just because I have the technology to do that. Now, who's gonna have all the money? Who's gonna make billions or trillions of dollars?

Starting point is 00:49:03 It's gonna be very different. Well, at that point, we might as well be robots, because all the things you mentioned require creativity, which is something that's so unique to the human experience, that it's like, well, fuck, I don't want to live in that world anyways. You might as well just pull a 38 to my head right now, and it's like, fuck that, man. I think we're gonna be more creative. I think you're gonna see, I think you're gonna see both free up time to be creative. Both kind of worlds existing, and I think that Facebook will provide its own ecosystem.

Starting point is 00:49:29 And just like you're seeing, like the, you can be worse. You're already put on campus at Facebook? I don't think it, no, I haven't. Dude, it's like Disney World. You're already doing this. Like with like corporate housing and stuff, it's like they're already trying to keep it with people.

Starting point is 00:49:40 They're gonna have their own armies. So, and I don't think it's gonna be like that. I don't think it'll be like, but I think it'll be tribal. Tribal to the point where it's like my camp's better than your camp, but I don't think it'll be causing wars or fights to be like, listen, if you wanna come join our group,

Starting point is 00:49:52 you can come join our group. If you wanna be in your group, you can join your group. Well, yeah, but I mean, think of how many people, and this is a very Silicon Valley center conversation because I mean, I drive past Google to get to my office. I've worked in the confines of Apple and I've worked in the confines of Apple,

Starting point is 00:50:05 and I currently work in the confines of Stanford. And there are bubbles within bubbles within bubbles. And it's like, that's all well and good for this, like, the geographical radius of the South Bay. But what about the people that don't work? Like, what about the Midwest? What about the heavily armed people who might not be getting the call to go on this patient?

Starting point is 00:50:21 And this is why I think they'll be still. Wow. Yeah, but how are they gonna sector? How are they gonna feel when there's like this utopian society on the other end of this shiny gate? And that's the thing. It's like when you create that level of disparity, whether it's a government that's doing it,

Starting point is 00:50:35 whether that's an institution that's doing it, those, you don't wanna be the people with it. Like you don't wanna be the people with. That's if you have tyranny and oppression, but if companies do operate in a market where they do succeed because they're serving the consumer everybody benefits. So you go through some of these,

Starting point is 00:50:55 we're in Silicon Valley, but you drive through the Midwest, everybody has an iPhone, everybody's on tech and stuff like that. So I don't think that's as big of a, I honestly think the decentralization is gonna get to the point where You're not going to have you know people who have tons and tons and tons of money look at music If you look at music right now, it's hard now to be a to make a shit ton of money in music because people buy individual But it's already changing and it was interesting listening to Billy Corgan talk about this like the the shift of everything going now to streaming

Starting point is 00:51:23 It's like it's now what what happened was a lot of the, the big record companies, they sort of hedged their bets. And so what they did to get around it was to buy a lot of the equity into these streaming businesses. So they still have a hand in it with their artists, but now it's finally like it's making money on that end. So more people are into the streaming, you know, for the monthly dues where they're actually making profit again.

Starting point is 00:51:46 You know how the consumer, it's better. Yeah. For the consumers way better. And you know how this is getting shfucked. You know how artists are making money now? Concerts. Old school. They had to go back like they did back in the day.

Starting point is 00:51:56 They're making the money off of concerts now. Movies, movies are going that way. I look at, I was at the movies the other day, I was watching Star Wars and two of the commercials, that's probably, one was Netflix and one was two of the commercials. Netflix, probably. One was Netflix and one was Amazon Prime. Right. Yeah, dude, for a movie that they're making.

Starting point is 00:52:09 So, and this is why it's good that the net neutrality thing got shot down too, because real soon here, and I was telling Katrina this, because she was asking all about it, like, well, why is it so good? It's not, well, think of this way. Real soon here, Amazon, Netflix, we're gonna be able to be sitting at home

Starting point is 00:52:24 and the new Will Smith Netflix come out. And instead of having to go down to the theater for 599, I could stream it right to my house. And I get to see a blockbuster movie get delivered to my bedroom with instantaneously. Do you not, I mean, I can buy shit on Amazon. And in the holidays I have, like I've literally sat in Valley Fair

Starting point is 00:52:44 trying to get a fucking park spot the past two weeks. And in the holidays I have, like I've literally sat in Valley Fair trying to get a fucking park spot the past two weeks. And in waiting for a spot, when on Amazon bought the shit I was gonna buy in the fucking mall. I'm at home, yeah. But it's like, don't you worry about like the lot, I mean you guys social interaction is the business, right? But it's like, I like going places and talking to people.

Starting point is 00:53:01 And it's like I find even as everyone's buried in their phones all the time, even going out and trying to interact with people who are in that digital space, is making it harder for me to even wanna go out, and then it's like this compounding cycle of life. I think people still wanna do that. I think people wanna do that,

Starting point is 00:53:16 but I think it's gonna change. Well, I think you're gonna see showrooms. You're gonna go to Amazon showroom. You're gonna go to, and it's gonna be different experience. I think we're in the middle of seeing the pendulum swing right now. And it's not all the way to the edge yet. And so that's why we all kind of feel this way, because I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:53:31 But I also think this is why I tell people like if you want to invest in something right now, invest in the fucking massage places, the meditation places, the yoga places, all because those places, you're gonna, they've been around forever. That's been around for thousands of years, all that shit, right? Folk Tank didn't just come around, but why are we seeing it on the rise right now? It's because people are starting to realize like human connection, being detached from all these electronics and being present is going to become important again. But what do all these things that you just listed on list off a few more?

Starting point is 00:54:00 Having common now is that they carry with it a social capital, right? Ice cream museum in San Francisco. Have you seen pictures of people at this? Oh, it's basically create physical space so you can share your experience online. What? Oh yeah, well I mean, it's like this. Okay, no, I mean, it's the-

Starting point is 00:54:18 It's playing yourself. It's kind of, the Ice cream museum is something that I've just seen a lot where it's like, this thing doesn't need to exist. I can buy fucking ice cream everywhere, but they have this, it's like 25 bucks to enter or something like that. I haven't gone because I feel, I'm just diametrically opposed to the entire idea behind it because I see the forest for the trees. I see exactly what they're doing. They're creating, I mean, every room, there's like, I don't know how many rooms, but like you get Ice Cream and you walk around,

Starting point is 00:54:44 I'm like, yeah, sure, I can just go to the ice cream store and get that, but no, at the ice cream museum, there's like very colorful rooms, and it's basically made for every room to be an Instagram friendly picture taking experience so you can help bolster your social capital, that it's like, you are only, you're literally living your life for the grocery.

Starting point is 00:55:04 Social currency. Exactly, but I mean, how is that any, so now here you have a self perpetuating marketing model based purely off the fact that you've woven in a bolstering social app. So you think you're gonna see that in those types of businesses? I think it's, I think I'm spending my night how to, like days and nights trying to figure out

Starting point is 00:55:22 how to do that with my own businesses, how to like, you know, think of like the red carpet events where like people have. No, no, you're right. We've already talked about that here. I mean, one of the things that we wanted to do was we're gonna make a wall for like when a guest like yourself comes in and you get like a shirt

Starting point is 00:55:34 and then you get to pick up pictures for your Instagram. And that's a gyms or a cost example of that, right? Like we, I've called your cast. So you've got the big zoo thing. It's like, oh, I took a picture of the zoo thing or it's like, think of cities, right? Like, I take a picture with like the bull with the big testicles or like the giant silver bean

Starting point is 00:55:49 in Chicago. It's like these landmark places that exist so you can only go to share them with your friends on. I was really there. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, but it's to me, it's such a, it's so, people don't realize that that's what they're getting hooked into.

Starting point is 00:56:04 Yeah, but you gotta tell me how you think that's gonna tie into a massage clinic or a float tank. The ones that are gonna do, well, that's the thing. I didn't start hearing about these float tank things until like the people I followed went down this road and started doing it. So like, you know, the float tanks, they light up in their blue,

Starting point is 00:56:21 or they're this one's green, and they're in a room with like bamboozzing. So we're saying instead of going there to unplug, you're going there and you're plugging in. To plug in exactly. But that's the brilliance of it. And like that's I really, I relish in the experience of being in places where there's no identifying criteria

Starting point is 00:56:38 that I could take a picture that's just me in a place. Like people don't know what you're doing. Well, I mean, I always double-bought, I mean, I'm very Jim centric in my life. He's like, I live in work inside of many of place. Like people don't know what you're doing. Well, I mean, I always double back. I mean, I'm very gym centric my life is like I live and work inside of many a gym. Um, just and now just fucking started working at another open office in another gym. And so I look at very much the Instagram culture. Is it, you know, it's, it's by business. It's part of my life. It's lifting culture. It's all that. And like one thing that really started to hurt me was like these very instant famous gyms, like

Starting point is 00:57:05 Barbelbergate. And nothing against Barbelgate, I think it's an awesome facility. Barquans, the wicked, he's really puts up together something special. And it wasn't until I visited that I realized that. But the massive, the whole wall says the name of the gym, where I train, there's an orange squat rack. And if you squat, that's where you squat. And there's not a single thing that says, but it's the work that's been done in that orange squat rack

Starting point is 00:57:26 that might as well be the best graffiti spray me. And that's what I like things to be known for where it's like, give me tangibles, don't just give me like, oh, look how cool this looks. Look how cool this looks at the fucking ice cream museum or whatever, it's like, you're not doing anything. You're just petty dick slapping and you're putting money into the pockets

Starting point is 00:57:45 of the people who conjured up this. And I think with that specific example, that was very much a conscious choice. They're in a war room. This is what we're gonna do. It's like literally like, it's how you lure children places. Ice cream, we are getting the back of my window as van.

Starting point is 00:58:00 Oh my God. Take a picture and put it on Instagram and tell everyone how awesome my window as van is. I don't know, it's just, it's a really, when you sit down and you think about the innovation. Yeah, with the, see, an innovation of technology into your life and how much it affects you whether like,

Starting point is 00:58:14 consciously or like, so, blim and leans like, fuck, you lose sleep at night over it. You know, I wanna believe in humanity more. I wanna believe that we're smarter. I, right now, we're, I feel like a lot of people are being duped by the social media and being able to put this facade on and draw and build that way.

Starting point is 00:58:31 But I'd like to think that when we see ourselves becoming so connected. So for example, like we have a short memory, dude. I have caught myself in the last three years since we have now built a business that obviously thrives off of social media platforms and without it we would probably be dead. I have now watched myself go from being a guy who didn't give two shits about Facebook, didn't do any of that stuff, never was on it, never ever was on it. I actually have to monitor myself on how much I can consume of it. And at what point is it am I doing work

Starting point is 00:59:05 and then what point am I starting to consume, right? And they brought up before that they say the next, the new scrolling is the new smoking, where you fucking ate that. We stopped comparing shit to smoking. Like a sitting is the new smoking thing. Right, right, right, right. But no, I get it.

Starting point is 00:59:23 Yeah, but the point is that what happens is you just get caught up and you don't realize, you start off, you try it one time, then you have two, then you have three, then you have the next thing, you are your chain smoker. And that's the idea, the comparison of is that you start off justifying it because you need to do it for business reasons. The next thing you know, you're so plugged in, you can't even get away from your phone for more than four or five hours in a day. And how unhealthy is that?

Starting point is 00:59:45 And then I like to think that right now, a lot of people aren't putting that together because there's not a lot of people talking about it because we're all talking about how great all this technology is. But I think that that pendulum will swing also. And I think people will start to realize it and realize, okay, this whole facade of the ice cream museum and the go to the float tank and take pictures and stuff like that. Maybe that's what's happening right now. But in the future, I think people will realize,

Starting point is 01:00:05 like, if you want it to actually make an impact on your life and actually truly do what it's supposed to do, which is, get you become more present, then you're going to have to disconnect. So I don't know. I want to believe that eventually we'll go that way. Well, what? Technology is a good tool, but a better master.

Starting point is 01:00:20 Right? That's kind of the end game there. It's, I don't know. It's, like you said, it's inevitable, but I think the big thing with the scrolling is being able to check yourself, like, and look at something before you post it and be like, is that what I want to sound like versus is that what I sound like? Right? The auto correct and the edits you can make to like your perceived intention in the world where it's like, when the rubber hits the road

Starting point is 01:00:48 and you're face to face with someone and you got like you're in a job interview or you're on a date or you're saying something and you can't like tax, like, no, like should I send the eggplant emoji and maybe it's not so much time. You know what I mean? Where it's like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:01:00 It's just the dissonance between who you are online and who you are in person. Yeah, I think it's two different people. It is, I had a lot of,'t know, it's just the dissonance between who you are online and who you are in person. Yeah, I think it's two different people. It is. I had a lot of, you know, this was tough for me. When I first started Instagram, I was doing a lot of what I knew would get traction. And for me, that was being in the men's physique role and taking these pictures of myself, you know, shirtless in the mirror and doing all this stuff.

Starting point is 01:01:22 And I remember that I built a pretty large following on that and I became this guy and I do not identify with a bodybuilder. That's not because I did it. It doesn't mean that I identify with it. I did it because I saw the opportunity for me to gain all this traction. So I had a really hard time kind of breaking free of that. Like that's not just me.

Starting point is 01:01:39 But even now, like you're, I mean, orders of magnitude more successful now because they mean that put your foot in the door, but the fact that now you pursue a passion and something that is in line with one to one with what you want to do now, then you're seeing real success in my opinion. I agree. I think a lot of people, they get a taste and whether they're doing the men's physique and a lot of people do a lot of things for the gram or for YouTube or whatever, and it's

Starting point is 01:02:03 like, until that aligns with what your real passion is, I don't think it'll ever be successful. I agree. Yeah, and I think a lot of people just float around, you know, the popular pages of the people that have, you know, a couple of tens of thousands or a hundred thousand followers on Instagram. Oh, I think otherwise you become like the one-hit wonder, right?

Starting point is 01:02:19 Sure. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. Yeah, you explode. I mean, we've already done interviews and met people that have got like millions of followers And I think like and they and they did it around like one way and perfect example and and not knocking Zoo culture or What he's done over there, but he has definitely attached himself as this guy who does all this crazy stuff And it's like you're I'm expecting every time I tune into my Instagram that he's gonna do something cool

Starting point is 01:02:43 Like I he's gonna flip a car over? Are you gonna do a squad on a fucking tricycle thing? Like, I'm looking for, you'd now become almost like your tight cast. Yeah, a slave to your audience or else your business doesn't thrive. Like, that's scary, you know, for... Yeah, and I think that's the nice thing about this podcast

Starting point is 01:02:59 is how many people thought then, when they're gonna tune into this episode, they're gonna see my name, and they're not gonna think that we're gonna talk about this. We're talking about getting it. Bitcoin and fucking like, we barely touch any biomechanics stuff at all. And I think when you can become more than the sound bites

Starting point is 01:03:12 that exist if you online, I think that's when you gain like a real presence, because you're a real person, you not just beholden to the image you've put out unless the image is layered. There's layers, there's exactly. You know, people have depths and I feel like, I hate that. I hate that when we only, like, we only portray

Starting point is 01:03:28 this one sort of surface image of ourselves. And it's like, come on, do people are way more complex than that? You'd like to think so. You would. Yeah, yeah. Or even not, like, say the, you know, I think there's a, I fuck a problem pulling this

Starting point is 01:03:39 from Paris, dammit. Where it's like, you want to appeal, and whether you do this consciously or not, if they success with people like your podcast, it comes to mind more so than probably any other is appeal to 10% of your audience that make that be your focus. Whether again, it's you're sitting down in a war room and you're consciously making the decision that this episode is going to be like this and this is the topic we're going to go and we're going to cover fermented foods and all the people that are into the nutrition are going to like. And the next week we'll make a hard switch

Starting point is 01:04:05 into the training, or then we'll do like a funny episode. What's like, you guys just flow and the stuff comes out and you catch the 10% inadvertently, because of that 10%, those people, that's their mantra, that's their guiding light. They don't really, and like you said, you'd like to think maybe people have some more depth, that maybe they don't, but maybe they just wanna hear,

Starting point is 01:04:22 and then you guys can introduce them to the fringes and every 10 episodes or so you'll come back to the fermented foods you come back to the training. We're trying to build a brand based on us just talking about what we want to talk about and the reason why we want to do that is because we can do that forever. Yeah, so we're not gonna fuck ourselves. Now that you've been podcasting you're hitting fucking three different facilities your ads, Tam, for your all of the place. Do you even have very much time to tune into any podcast?

Starting point is 01:04:47 Are you still with podcast? Oh, yeah. I mean, I give you a lot. You guys are on the top. I, I, I QA our own podcast, I'll listen to our stuff. Malcolm Gladwell's Revisional History. I probably listened to Top the World. I was a huge fan.

Starting point is 01:05:01 Yeah. His storytelling is, is like, just just his way of connecting the dots. I've never listened to that before. It's really, it's just from the quality to the choreography of the whole thing. He's one of my favorite writers. Yeah, no, I haven't traveled in favorite, so I've been listening to a lot.

Starting point is 01:05:18 I mean, I'll tune into Rogan, depending on the guests, it gets a little of meh. Like a Dalek Silasave and whatever. I kind of heard it once for a while. know, it's like an Alex, it's Ivan, whatever. I kind of heard it once for a while. I kind of feel like that's what a lot of those, that whole group of guys are all kind of talking about, Jiu-Jitsu and Fuken's psychedelics. It's like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:05:34 Which I like to talk about that. I do, it's interesting to me, but I feel like there's more, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm trying to think, what else? Who do I listen to? I'll just go like, I mean, I like to keep it in the fitness space. And just to see the contrast what's out there.

Starting point is 01:05:48 Like, I mean, Greenfield, I'll listen to a B-pack. I'll tune into the muscle up, where one gets, I mean, that scratches and nerd itch in me, just like hearing different approaches. Trying to think, yeah, those are probably the top ones right now. If you really want to go information heavy, you could try, found my fitness Dr. Try to think. Yeah, those are probably the top ones right now. If you really want to go information heavy, you could try, found my fitness doctor on the Patrick.

Starting point is 01:06:09 Yeah, okay. She goes deep. Yeah, I've heard her on a couple podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you want to challenge her vocabulary and stuff like that and you just what you're looking for,

Starting point is 01:06:19 I feel like it's so... Smoking mirrors. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no. No, she's the shit. I like her. She's deep, bro. She's the son of the way she talks. But it's like, if you and your friend have a nice one. For me, for podcasting, you said, I want to be entertained somewhat.

Starting point is 01:06:33 I want to enjoy the conversation, just for the conversation purposes. That's why I said, if it's deep, I'll learn to. And then I want to pit. Yeah, exactly. I feel, maybe if I was in school at that time, going through a degree in the related field, I would eat her podcast up

Starting point is 01:06:47 because I just wanna be consuming info, but it's like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what I think that wife's been listening to that. Yeah, yeah. I remember driving up from so cal like last month and that's exactly what it was. Oh, a jug life.

Starting point is 01:06:58 Chiwess Smith. I think him and Max, they had a good job. A very, very fitness centric, but entertaining nonetheless. And I think our episode comes out like next month. So shame was plugged into it. It comes out of like I even found it. Just kind of here, let me not so suddenly, just drop that in there.

Starting point is 01:07:14 But not as if it's pretty good. I really like to keep it kind of in the power of lifting space to keep my finger on the pulse of things. What are you learning yourself like through this whole process? I mean, I love getting a chance to talk to you because I get to talk to you before you started. Now you're doing it. I think you do a great job.

Starting point is 01:07:28 I was thinking you're an intelligent guy. It gives good information. You got good guests. Now, what are you learning about the business? That's different, man. It's really like, it's just the range. You just realize how insignificant the fitness space is, I think. How it should be significant to everyone

Starting point is 01:07:46 because it's, I mean, it's the foundation and fundamentals of people that are leading the charge as far as becoming healthy, fine, better ways to get healthy. But it's just so insignificant in the grand scheme of things when you look at the podcasts that are rising to the top. I mean, look at it this way. Like if you went fishing, you'd put a worm on a hook. But if you were trying to catch me,

Starting point is 01:08:05 you'd be better off with like a doughnut or like a protein shake or something. And I think that's walking a fine line of where you're willing to go as far as being palatable to a broader audience, but also saying true to your own value set. What a great point. So that to me has been just interesting, but also to like not being limited,

Starting point is 01:08:21 like we did one with Brett Contreras, and me and Brett have had like, instant knife fights online. Like there's video evidence of me and it's going up on our YouTube channel. I don't know when, whenever I put it up. There's video evidence of me doing a hip thrust with Brett Contreras, which, but like you meet him and you talk to him

Starting point is 01:08:40 and you put the swords away. You close to you. Yeah, honestly. It's like, all right, all right, all right. I don't know what to do. But it's like, I do think just, and it was like, I don't know, I was hard headed. I was honestly, and I still am, to some extent resentful of people who, in my opinion,

Starting point is 01:08:53 and I'm not saying that this is Brett at all, but people who were successful in the fitness industry, who like, you know, they were just selling protein shakes online or whatever, like who didn't have the steel in the walls. I'm like, what the fuck, man? Like this guy's making this much on his YouTube channel. Like here I went to school like an asshole. Like, and you know, you try and be a jack of all trades

Starting point is 01:09:12 and there's one guy that has like a catch phrase that makes a lot of money and it's like, just put your swords away. And that's the one thing I kind of learned is like if you just kind of approach people and be a little bit more open-minded, like that, Brett, I was a little worried. He's not small.

Starting point is 01:09:27 He's like six four. He's like a pretty imposing guy, and I was like, man, maybe this guy's just gonna, like, invite me to his glue lab, and we're just gonna do it out. Like super inviting, super friendly, super, our podcast, like, it was a little bit more on the nerdy side of things.

Starting point is 01:09:41 And I slam you. Yeah, I just booty-clap me. And I tested him on a few things. Like I called out one of his research articles that I thought was flawed and we like hot it out but it was very professional. Oh, cool. Yeah, so I think just that allowing for like a free

Starting point is 01:09:55 and open discussion between people with opposing viewpoints and it's okay to disagree with you. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And I think a lot of people, once ego gets involved, it's like, you know, we've had some video evidence this morning of what happens when ego gets involved and it's like, listen, you know, everyone present their case and then it's then it's Darwinism like, let's see what rises to the top.

Starting point is 01:10:17 That's what I really like about podcasting is it's what my favorite thing in sports of all time is when Michael Tyson used to come out for his title fights. You know what he used to wear? He used to take the hotel towel and cut a hole. Oh, that's right. He put it in his neck. The reduced essence of that, like you have a Pac-Yout and me weather in these flashy

Starting point is 01:10:36 kids and the Conor McGregor with the fuck you pins, right? And it's like, you look across the ring and you see that guy coming at you and just rips the fucking towel, puts it over his head. It's not like the Mexican flag and he's not trying to be like, because he knows, like, this guy just said he's gonna eat your fucking children. Are you serious? And I just love that, like, and podcasting

Starting point is 01:10:57 that reduced essence of the conversation where it's real. It's just, it's archived. And I think there's, imagine in history, like if we had this ability to archive conversations, because we've been listening, I mean, this is, to me, this is tantamount to like the Gutenberg printing press, where it's like, you're seeing the ability to have these conversations between these people, whether it's, you know, they're within the same echo chamber, they oppose each other, like, just imagine being a fly on the wall to some of like the great, and you just get third hand documentations

Starting point is 01:11:27 of things that have been written, but even just being able to audibly hear it, I think to me is really interesting, and that's why I've gravitated. I haven't listened to, I mean, I don't even know where my radio presets are anymore, because since I've been introduced to this, all I do is listen to podcasts.

Starting point is 01:11:41 It's growing, yeah. It's growing very quickly, and it's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing. Super exciting man. Fuck yeah man, thank yeah man thank you coming on yeah always a pleasure having you in here man I love it yeah yeah yeah always yes check it out go to YouTube we should have some new videos up soon actually with yeah we just shot some videos with them too mine pump TV subscribe to that channel or Jordan's

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