Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 679: The Truth About Spot Reduction, Benefits of Swiss Ball Training, Mind Pump's Most Dangerous Activities & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, Mind Pump! Adam Justin and myself have some fun conversation for the first, I don't know, 30 minutes of our intro. We talk about nature versus nurture. Who wins? Yeah, who wins, how important is each of them?

Starting point is 00:00:31 We talk about the importance of hard work to realize your genetic potential. You know, we know a lot of genetically gifted individuals both physically and intellectually, but they're so lazy, that they're hard at their working. That they're idiots lazy. Yeah, how hard are they working? That they're idiots. We talk about challenges with the educational system and what is not being taught.

Starting point is 00:00:53 And then we talk about the cost-benefit analysis of college. In some cases, it's totally worth the money in other cases. It's not worth the money at all. Also tomorrow, I want to remind everybody, if you're in the LA area, Adam and myself will be speaking at the LA Fit Expo in the healthy living pavilion at 12.30 pm. We're gonna be talking about intuitive nutrition,

Starting point is 00:01:16 answering questions. Hala, take handsom squad. Taking pictures and kissing babies. We also mentioned- You might be ass-on-crutches. That's right. I will be hard to find. That's right. I will be hard to find. That's right.

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Starting point is 00:02:24 How do they stay relevant and successful in this what seems to be crowded world of fitness celebrities the next question was can you spot reduce or do you just lose fat all over even if you target a certain part of the body lose them love we also talk about how hormones affect fat storage and why Adam is looking like a pair. He's so, he's so huggable now. Yeah, the next question was, this person thinks we have something against people standing on Swiss balls and performing lifts. Now we don't have a problem with that.

Starting point is 00:02:58 We just think it looks ridiculous. I like Cirque d'Acele. Next question and final question was, what is the most dangerous thing we have ever done in our entire lives? Oh, shit. Justin talks about all that unsafe sex he had. I thought it was a maniac. Rabbinus.

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Starting point is 00:04:36 There's a big difference. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. He's like a one man band. He is, he doesn't even need me. You're so good. He doesn't even need me. Stop it, Sal. He doesn't need me. Stop it, Sal. Just stop. No, he didn't. No, no, no. Tell me more. Not that he doesn't need you. It's that what you I was so good. I was like the, you know, the spoons and

Starting point is 00:04:55 Really? Like I have like my all my shit. I try to get into that for a minute. Yeah playing the spoons. No, he did it Yeah, do you really put them backwards like this and your finger between them the Yeah, do you really put them backwards like this in your finger between them the Spoon man You actually put effort and time and learning Well, yeah, not a lot. I mean, I was never got really I'm just I'm I'm musically retarded I've told you before like it just I don't have the don't have any which is weird because you think kids like me who were in Church their whole lives and like my mom used to hit me upside the head if I wasn't singing You actually tried for like a long period. Yeah, that might be it though

Starting point is 00:05:24 What did you say you got hit in the head? Right, right. It could be that might be the reason or it could be me like slightly revolting like okay, she didn't make me sing. I'm supposed to be I'm gonna do awful. Yeah, horribly. I just made a amazing grace. Oh sweet. All right. So that's you pretending. Hold on, that's maybe good. That's you pretending to be bringing that. That's me bringing the heat. Now what you say. Bring the heat. Now I want you to try to be good.. That's your pretending to be brining the heat. Now what you say, bringing the heat. Now what you to try to be good.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Now that was me trying to be good. It doesn't get better than that. Kilavro, I don't have it. So I think that's part of it. I think my mom always was making us see. Well, there's a nature and nurture thing with talent. Like there's definitely a genetic component and then there's something that you can train.

Starting point is 00:06:05 Yeah. And your genetic component, I believe, you have potential. Yeah, it gives you a range of directions. Like over here is the worst that you can get with your genetic potential. Oh, I am. Over here is the best and your potential is just, it's not that good, right? So you can reach your upper potential. Yeah, I could get, right, quickly.

Starting point is 00:06:21 Oh, 100%. And it's like me playing golf or or you know, playing basketball. Right I think that I think this supplies everything we talk about this with building muscle and stuff like that Like we all have like this and I believe this with intelligence, too. I believe some people are just fucked from it's true I believe they're fucking sealing his Apigenic. Yeah, just give it doesn't matter dude. You're just you're this is your peak, you know I think we everyone peaks at but I also think what's beautiful about life and how things all work out is people tend to, if you lack some here, everyone has their strengths, right?

Starting point is 00:06:52 Like it doesn't whether it be, and you can look at this in so many different ways. Everything, everything from the way you look to your intelligence, to your skeletal structure, to your ability to play music, like all these things. But you know, it's crazy about that is there's so many other factors that are also genetic or also nurture.

Starting point is 00:07:12 So what I mean, or nature, excuse me, so what I mean by that is, or nurture again. What I mean by that is, let's say you have your potential, let's say it's zero to 100, 100 being, you're like the best in the world, zero being, you're the worst in the world. And let's say we're looking at your ability to play basketball. And let's say you're up the top score

Starting point is 00:07:31 that your genes will ever allow you to have with also undersfiring, perfect training, perfect diet, perfect everything is 75. Let's say that's your upper limit. Now what also goes into that is what about your genetic propensity for hard work. Right. Right. So not only not only do you have a genetic propensity for talent, but then you have a genetic propensity for your ability to focus and work hard. And then there's there's so many other factors going there. And when you when you put that into perspective, I think that

Starting point is 00:08:01 most people don't ever reach their genetic potential in any of those categories because very few people have that work ethic to actually push to those. Well, they're only drawn to the ones they immediately find as being, oh, this is easy for me. I believe that works. This is also why I love sports because I think sports are one of the greatest expressions of when genetic potential and hard work meet when you

Starting point is 00:08:26 look at the professional athlete, you know, because it doesn't matter how much I played basketball, I'll never be as good as LeBron James. Just I don't have the genetic potential. Plus he probably worked every bit as hard as I did if not 10 times more, right? So I think that that I think that's why I love sports so much is when you look, especially nowadays, when you look at the athletes, it's so competitive that you just can't be pretty good and get there.

Starting point is 00:08:51 You had to have not only. I totally feel it's both now. Right, if you look at professional athletes, yeah. Like every now and then you'll see a guy that you know just worked his ass off to get there and he doesn't genetically look like he belongs. Right, but at the same time, you know that motherfucker was in there just like busing

Starting point is 00:09:08 his ass every single second devoted his entire life to that one thing. Yep. You know what I mean? Like, that's what it took. But my point is that we place a lot of value on that genetic potential because it becomes more evident at the extremes. However, you know how many people that are out in the world with like extreme genetic gifts that never play in the NBA, that never,

Starting point is 00:09:34 you know, do anything close to it. That never do anything brilliant because they're also lazy fucks or maybe they have bad circumstances, maybe they don't believe in themselves, maybe like I've met, maybe they don't believe in themselves, maybe, like I've met, I'll tell you what, I've managed, I don't know how many people I've managed in my life, running businesses,

Starting point is 00:09:53 and I've seen more extremely talented people who never succeeded than I did, people who weren't talented, who succeeded very well. I've seen more. I also think this is what makes incredible like teachers and separates them as the ones that have this ability to see this in kids and to be able to encourage that and pull that out of them at an early age

Starting point is 00:10:16 because that's another thing too. You can help them realize it. Right, because you said it perfect, Justin. Sometimes these people have these genetic potential and they just weren't exposed to it. You didn't even know. I mean, I use the example of time of the't exposed to it. You didn't even know. I mean, I used the example of time of the swimming thing with me was,

Starting point is 00:10:27 I didn't even know. I didn't know that I could be good at that. Like I just had no idea. I didn't understand the difference of and mechanics behind body types. So I'm like, that it would actually, the things that I got teased for actually could have been an advantage to me

Starting point is 00:10:43 towards a sport. Yeah, well, there was a perfect example too to this guy that I played high school football with and he didn't play with us until his senior year really and the whole time like I played basketball with him, you know, he was you six seven and he was like long Lanky, but like really athletic and I'm like dude you have to play football like you would be an amazing and I'm like, dude, you have to play football. Like you would be an amazing white receiver and then my other friend finally convinced him to try out and he tried out and he made it, dude, it was so easy for him.

Starting point is 00:11:12 We would just throw it long to him, touchdown, like almost every time. And then he got recruited to like UCLA, Cal Poly and he just didn't have the work ethic. Oh wow. No work ethic, he, all of a, now he's in a pool of everybody else that are like, you know, have the same genetic gift, but they work their ass off at the same time.

Starting point is 00:11:30 That we're sleeping with a football next to their pillow when they were five. And here is always that too. And here's the thing with when it comes to physical genetic gifts, they can display themselves in pretty specific ways. But when you talk about intelligence, intelligence is such a broad

Starting point is 00:11:52 category that is so complex that I I mean, I firmly believe that most people have a range of what they can achieve with their intellect that is much wider and broad than what someone could reach with athleticism. Do you see what I'm saying? Because I feel like it's so, it's so much more complex. I think, you know how many kids there are out there?

Starting point is 00:12:12 What are you saying? You're saying that what? When it comes to intellect. Oh, with intellect, you think it's so much more different. It's just broad. It's so broad in the sense that there's so many factors that come into, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:24 that can come into play with somebody's well i think i think it's less of that more that there's different types of intelligence right like when you say intelligence that really on brell is a lot of different things like somebody can be well what i mean by that is i'll be more specific when you see somebody when you see a kid that is genetically gifted to be a bodybuilder or genetically gifted to be a football player or a baseball player basketball player in many cases gifted to be a bodybuilder or genetically gifted to be a football player or a baseball

Starting point is 00:12:45 player or a basketball player. In many cases, it's pretty specific and pretty evident. It can be evident pretty easily. When it comes to intellect, many times. Oh, that's what you mean, okay. Many times, it's so broad as... It's very deceiving. Like, you don't know, like, dude, by looking at something.

Starting point is 00:12:59 And they're only measuring it by, like, these very specific types of tests that feed the one type of a scientist. Well, to me, it would go to roll somewhere to the musical talent because you can't see musical talent on somebody. You can't see that like sports. You're right. That's very physical, right? You could look at somebody and say, Oh, I bet he's pretty good. Sometimes you could just look at someone and have a good guess. I'm saying, right, right. Just because you're tall, right. Right. Right. With sports, you, there, there's, I think you can make an educated get most people that understand the body types. Do you know how many musicians you wouldn't know that?

Starting point is 00:13:28 You wouldn't know that. Unless they tried. Right. And the thing about intellect is, do you know how many kids there are out there that think that they're stupid? They literally think that they're dumb because maybe they have,

Starting point is 00:13:41 either someone told them that, or look, I'll use myself as an example, and I'm not by any means, stretch the means, brilliant, whatever, but I do love learning, I love reading, I would say that I'm more of an intellect than someone who's athletic, but I, school to me was so unmemorable, it was such, it was such a, it wasn't a bad experience,

Starting point is 00:14:02 it just was a nothing experience. So I had no idea that I enjoyed a lot of these things because what I connected with smarts was school and because school to me was fucking boring and a member of our matters. And dude, my girlfriend, my girlfriend who's extremely intelligent, reads quite a bit, we have these great discussions.

Starting point is 00:14:22 She hated school. She hated it to the point where she told me, she was like, when I was a kid, I thought I wasn't smart. I didn't think I was smart. And I'm like, did you pay attention? And she's like, no, I would check out. And I said, well, yeah, it was, again, you weren't stimulated. You had no idea. You know, many kids are out there like that, or how many kids who are have dyslexia or some other thing that may give them a challenge. And now they believe to themselves that they're just not smart Yeah, and a lot of some of them turn into entrepreneurs and become successful and learn it later on some of them don't you know some of them don't So should you say I do you think more often than not it's something that happened to them in childhood that sets them on a

Starting point is 00:14:58 trajectory that's going to forever I agree I Still to this day. I think if it wasn't for me being put in advanced English class by a teacher who had me who saw something in me that I didn't see, that would have forever been a disability. I mean, something that I just laugh at and I don't think is a big deal that I fuck up sentences and do think with that was the same way that she treated it with me was that you have this ability to express yourself in words Better than any kids in this class. You should be in an advanced class and although I have my shit all marked up in red because

Starting point is 00:15:33 Grimatically I was all over the place my ability to take what's in my mind and put it on a piece of paper Was advanced and that that stuck with me forever that I wasn't gonna allow because if I remember before that I remember being beat up getting marked out all time and felt my stupid like I just can't get this like Why doesn't it why doesn't this make sense to me? Why can't I remember where a comma I supposed to go or a posture be supposed to go? Why can't I put that all together and? She she made me feel make me look at it like those are minor details like people most people can't get out of their mind on Put it on paper you're great at that. And so she pressed that.

Starting point is 00:16:05 I forever kept that with me. And that's forever for me who I am and not made that something that's a major insecurity. Yeah, that's a real. I didn't have anybody kind of reaching out like that for me growing up. But I had people doing the opposite, saying that they all assumed I was just going to go into a trade school and construction. And that was it. My brother was the academic and that was it, you know, my brother was the academic

Starting point is 00:16:25 and that was gonna be the case. And that is the sole only reason I went to college, you know. If I could prove him wrong. Yeah, like literally that was it. That was my entire motivation. I hated school, dude. I hated it, but I just was like, I wanted to prove a point that I could do something

Starting point is 00:16:40 that people believe I can't. Well, dude, think about it this way. Like, so I was listening to music the other day, while I was working out. And what's that rock song? And at the end of it, it's like. This was a rock day for you? Yeah, it was a rock day.

Starting point is 00:16:52 It wasn't a chill day. What's that song at the end of it? Like no more books, dirty looks. And at the end of it's like, school's been known. School's been known. School's been known. School's been known.

Starting point is 00:17:04 School's been known. School's been known. School's been known. School's been known. School's been known. School's been known. Yeah, pink, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, it's actually, and that only is accepted, it's expected that a kid is gonna say, I don't like school, I hate school. And I was having this conversation the other day with Jessica where we were talking about this, you have all these kids who hate school to the point where they sing songs about it. It's like a thing that we all expect.

Starting point is 00:17:40 And would your parents tell their kids, it's just something you gotta do, whatever. I gotta do it. Okay, how shitty is that? How fucking shitty something you gotta do, whatever. I gotta do it. Okay, how shitty is that? How fucking shitty is that? Yeah, I'm a prison. How shitty is that, that kids view school to the point

Starting point is 00:17:54 where it's kind of rare if a kid likes it, and most of them don't like it, how shitty of a job are we doing, and how much potential is being wasted, because school really is designed to kind of service the middle, so they're good at kind of the middle average. And if you're anywhere on the ends,

Starting point is 00:18:14 it's a shitty experience. If you're really smart, school's terrible. Kids hate it, they're fucking bored, they don't like it. Many of which become disenfranchised and can never reach their full potential, especially if they have an environment at home. Well, especially they don't have the money

Starting point is 00:18:28 to put them in like a private school and get extra education for them or push them in other directions. Or even know that they have the freedom or to learn what they want to. They don't even know that. They don't even know that that's a thing. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:18:42 A lot of kids are like, they don't even understand that. Cause I know, I've known a lot of kids who don't necessarily do well in school, but you talk to them about a subject they're into. Yeah. And they're fucking brothers. And there are things that you guys both do for your kids that like to try and promote that like,

Starting point is 00:18:55 finding what you love and encouraging them to be passionate about what it is and learning about it, even if it's not fucking math or, you know, social studies in school. Absolutely. Like how do you guys do that? Definitely. So if my kids show an interest in something, then I definitely try to foster it

Starting point is 00:19:10 and I don't discourage it. So like if my kids are, if one of my kids is really into Legos or really into whatever, then I'll try and foster that. I'll provide them with the exposure. I'll take them places where they could see stuff that has to do with it. We'll talk about it.

Starting point is 00:19:24 We'll watch videos together, that kind of of stuff the other thing too is I also Like to tell my kids if they do something like they do a good job with school I don't tell them how smart they are typically talk about how hard they've worked or I can see that you really enjoy the subject Only because I want I don't want them to identify with being smarter dumb. I want them to Identify with the effort that just working hard the effort. The effort that they put in. Yeah, the effort that they put in. Because the reality is life, sometimes you get an A-SUN, oh you're really smart, it's not you're really smart, it's all a man, you must have worked really hard for that.

Starting point is 00:19:53 Or, if I know he's not working really hard at it, because there are things that my kid, my son for example, math is just easy for him. So when he gets an A on math, I don't tell him, I can tell you work hard, because I know he didn't.'ll tell him like, I can tell you really like math, like I can really see that you like math. Because I want him to, I don't want, I don't want, what I don't want is my kids to encounter a challenge later in life. And then all of a sudden be challenged and it challenged their identity of being smart and then they just don't want to do it. Right. Like, oh wait, I thought it was smart and I was as hard as you. Which probably happens to a lot of people. It does. It does, absolutely. It does, it does.

Starting point is 00:20:25 So, it's kind of shitty, but yeah, I mean, we were talking a lot about this because one of my friends, this has a two-year-old and they were talking about homeschooling, and I used to have two friends that were really, really, really in the whole, I don't know if you guys are familiar with this, but homeschooling has exploded over the past decade or so. Like exploded. It used to be something that, you know, super hyper religious people did or people with kids who are, you know, whatever,

Starting point is 00:20:54 the stereotype is weird or whatever. Now you're getting a really intelligent people who are putting together their kids' education, you know, kind of piece by piece rather than sending them to one central area because they're seeing way better. Well, because this, let's be honest, and I know I'm gonna offend some teachers out there,

Starting point is 00:21:13 but I mean, it's because the schools are doing such a bad job at it. People are finding, I'm like, fuck, I could do a bad. I know I'm working full time, but fuck, I could do a better job at teaching my kid what he needs to know to get him ready for life.

Starting point is 00:21:22 And I bet you that's what's propelling like the passion really. And the ability sometimes ability sometimes right and it's easier now right I mean back when I was home school as a kid that was like you know We had all these you know order all these books and then once a once a month We had to meet and do like now you can just Everything could be downloaded your computer or uploaded to an iPad and you could there's probably courses that you could teach them right through They just tutorials and go through I bet they've really simplified it that a lot of people there's a lot that you could teach them right through there, they just tutorials and go through. I bet they've really simplified it that a lot of people can do.

Starting point is 00:21:46 There's a lot of resources now, right? Right, out there. And it's crazy though, because it's starting to kill the funding for public schools, because public schools, the way they get paid, they've got paid when kids show up, so they get X amount of dollars. So I know here in California, if I'm not mistaken,

Starting point is 00:22:01 I could be wrong, I believe the averages around 10 to $12,000 per school year, per student. So if a kid goes to school here in California, that school, that public school, we receive in funding between, I believe, I don't know if I'm 100% correct, but I think it's 10 to $12,000 per year. So if that kid doesn't go to that school,

Starting point is 00:22:21 they lose that funding. And what's happening right now is you get a lot of parents who are taking their kids and either putting them in private schools or taking their kids in homeschooling, both of which those markets are both exploding. You see them start to really, really take off, and I think it's because people are starting to see,

Starting point is 00:22:37 like, again, like, if your kids hate school, like really hate it, like there's some, some's not right, you know there. Imagine if you were doing something, I mean, as adults, we wouldn't, we wouldn't put up with that really. Would you, would you put up with that? Imagine if every day, as it all persists hours, you fuck on it.

Starting point is 00:22:55 I don't know, dude, I mean, I think that part of that is what trains people to also get stuck in this careers where they stay for 20 years and they fucking hate their job. They're miserable. Well, that's why they have to do it. Right. I kind of present both with that, like as far as, and I know, like you definitely want to foster what the passions are.

Starting point is 00:23:15 And like you can kind of see like where they gravitate towards that and you kind of give them tools in that direction, but at the same time, there's tasks that need to be done. There's things that need to be done. There's things that need to be accomplished, and you know, you have an assignment, and there's a deadline to that assignment. And so, you know, I'm just reiterating the fact that real life is this, you know, and this is something that you're going to have to consider, you know, going through this process is going to be times where you don't like. It is.

Starting point is 00:23:42 It is. It is. The doing these types of projects, it's not working with certain people, but guess what, that's another learning experience that you need to be exposed to, especially the social element there, as far as all the different types of personalities. And I've already had a lot of conflict issues

Starting point is 00:23:58 that we've had to deal with, with my oldest, with other kids. Oh, really. So, you know, it's... That's a big myth though. There's a big myth about the social- it's the whole socialization by the way. You don't socialize kids, you socialize dogs, but the whole socialization myth that if they- if they go to school, they're gonna get better socializing, be a lot around a lot more kids. Here's where the schools make a big mistake.

Starting point is 00:24:20 Is when kids go to school, they're put in a classroom with a bunch of kids the same age. Right. It's far better if kids are around older kids, younger kids, or more mature. First of all, studies will show that bullying actually occurs at a much lower rate when you have that, because older kids believe it or not, start to kind of act like big brother, big sister

Starting point is 00:24:41 to the younger kids. They start to mentor, you start to see this more often when it's all mixed up. That's also real life, real life is not, I'm gonna be with a bunch of people. Yeah, all kind of same age. The same age. Here's the other thing too, is when I look at education

Starting point is 00:24:54 in particular centralized planning education like public schools, they're so fucking slow to move with the times, it's almost comical. Like I've seen kids are learning cursive. They're learning cursive in elementary school. Why the fuck are you spending any time on cursive? Now, if it's a little new calligraphy, too, I write it in. Now, if a child is showing, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:19 my opinion is if a child is showing real interest and enjoyment in learning cursive, well, okay, then I can see that, then learn something you're justically. Yeah, but these kids are being forced to do something that they will not only never use, but it's a complete fucking waste of time cursive. They're learning how to memorize.

Starting point is 00:25:37 I understand learning math and stuff like that, but this whole memorization of, you know, times tables and this and the other, the reality is, how, like, do we need to learn how to track ourselves through the wilderness? I know that's a very important skill if you're lost in the wilderness, but the reality is in modern life,

Starting point is 00:25:56 is any of us ever really gonna honestly ever use that? No, so that we don't learn that. Why are they teaching kids all this shit that in five or six or 10 years, what you're basically going to need to be good at is how to retrieve information because now all these other things do it for you, how to be creative and how to navigate this kind of society. Kids don't learn finance, they don't learn loans, they don't learn credit, they don't

Starting point is 00:26:19 learn return on investment. I think that's a big mistake when they don't do that. In fact, I remember I had a lot of resentment too with my family because they didn't share that stuff with me. Like, they didn't share, you know, debt, and how important this was. I mean, I got the typical speech that I think every parent gives their 17 year old

Starting point is 00:26:37 before they get all the credit cards coming to mail. Like, oh, you shouldn't get credit cards. Like, to me, that was stupid advice. Like, that was like the extent of the advice from my parents was, oh, you shouldn't, don't get credit cards, don't get me, that was stupid advice. Like that was like the extent of the advice from my parents was, oh, you shouldn't don't get credit cards, don't get yourself in debt. Like that's it. Like, well, what about building credit?

Starting point is 00:26:51 Like, yeah, what about, because if you don't have any credit like that, and that ended up hurting me when I bought my house, remember where I bought my house? I had impeccable credit. Problem was, I only had one credit card that I've had going for like one year, and they looked at me and they're like,

Starting point is 00:27:03 you need four credit lines in the bureau for you to get this house and because of that I had to I had to take a higher interest rate on my on my loan Had I been responsible and just opened up a couple cards used them paid them off using paid them off I mean the reality is you had no debt. You were paying everything off right? I fucked you right same thing right same thing for me. It was exact same thing No, I had because I had no education on it. Nobody taught me. The extent of my education on things like credit was don't do it.

Starting point is 00:27:30 Don't you guys so silly. One thing that I remember expressing this to my wife some bit, we're talking about education and thinking about how over the decades, you have sort of elders. You have people with actual real wisdom that you can always go to. I feel like we just don't retain wisdom the same way anymore.

Starting point is 00:27:52 We're reliant way too much on searching and navigating through these tools, of Googles, and everybody else to tell us where this wisdom comes from. I think it's different. I think it's a different kind of wisdom. You still need the wisdom to know how to navigate. You still have the wisdom to know how to utilize. Sure.

Starting point is 00:28:11 All these things combine them. I just think it's different. I mean, nobody has the wisdom today of like, prehistoric man, without 10,000 years ago. But we still have a different kind of wisdom. Because if you took a prehistoric man and put him in today's life, they wouldn't be able to navigate, you know, modern life.

Starting point is 00:28:26 I gave this, so I had to talk with my son. I was worried when like all systems fail. You know what I mean? Where are we going to be? Sure, sure. That's the paranoia I sometimes have. Of course. So I mean, look, not that long ago, a man would need to know how to build something from scratch, a home from scratch.

Starting point is 00:28:48 Today, people are specialized. Somebody knows how to build the foundation of the person who has had to build the structure and then this person has had to do the sheet rock and then this person has the tile, this person has air conditioning electricity. And so we have a much more complex homes that are better, that are more efficient, you know, all that stuff. And that's just part of human intelligence is that what makes humans so powerful is not that we're,

Starting point is 00:29:11 we have this super intelligent brain, it's that we build upon past intelligence. So, you know, today I don't have to learn, you know, physics, I don't have to discover physics from the beginning till now. Right. I learn what everybody's known and I try to build upon that. I had this talk recently with my son where we sat down and we were talking about college because adding to algorithms.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Yeah, exactly. I was sitting down with my son and we were talking about college because right now we're looking at, you know, a couple of years ago, we go into high school. And so I started talking college with him. And so I laid this out for him. I said, okay, I'm gonna show you two scenarios and I wanna show you, I wanna explain to you what return on investment looks like

Starting point is 00:29:53 and what this means. Because what's being hammered into kids, that's by the way part of the reason why I think we're in this crazy student loan bubble. One of the things that we've hammered into kids is that an education is so valuable that it doesn't fucking matter, just get it, doesn't matter how much it costs.

Starting point is 00:30:10 So I sat down with them and I said, okay, let's imagine you graduate high school and you're 18 years old. Now I'm gonna split you into two. Here you are, 18 years old, you graduate high school and you decide not to go to college. Here you're 18 and you decide to go to college. Let's start to add this up and see what it looks like. Over here, you didn't go to college, here you're 18 and you decide to go to college. Let's start to add this up and see what it looks like.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Over here, you didn't go to college, however, you know what you want to do and you work towards building or creating a lifestyle for yourself based on a passion you have. Let's say you want to become an electrician. So I showed them. This is how much, and I looked it up. This is how much you would earn. Learning had to be an electrician with an apprenticeship. This is how many years it would take you to be full time. This is the average pay.

Starting point is 00:30:47 Now, over the course of 10 years, by the end of 10 years, you might be making about this much. Now let's go over here. Let's say you go to college and you get a PhD in art history. And I use that example because it's obvious. Art history PhD, it's gonna take you 12 years, the amount of debt that you're gonna accumulate during that period of time is probably gonna be

Starting point is 00:31:11 $100,000 or more. Now you're 28 years old or whatever, $100,000 in debt, the average art history major makes this much and I'm showing him. And I'm showing him because I want him, and then I use other examples, I said, Dr. Lawyer, you know, computer engineer. I use all these different examples, I said,

Starting point is 00:31:30 can you see now with the current cost of an education, how in some cases it's very worth it, and in other cases it's not worth it at all, in fact it actually costs you way more money than what you get out of it. And it's really started to make sense to him. And he says, well, what if I really like art history? And I said, you could still learn it.

Starting point is 00:31:51 You would just not invest $100,000 in debt in learning it. You would use all the free resources that we have today to be able to learn those things. And I think nobody has this conversation with their kids, and I think it's terrible. Because student loans are easy to get. They're really fucking easy to get and there's always they make them that way. They make them that way because You know possible to get out of well politicians say we want to help education

Starting point is 00:32:13 So we're gonna give all these subsidies and make it and tell the banks they have to give these loans out and tell the banks If they can't you can't even claim bankruptcy can't you? No, and and what ends up happening as a result of it is you get all this easy money, all these people who think education means everything regardless of what they learn and what they get out of it. And now you have all this free money, all these universities trying to collect this money, and it's no wonder the cost of education

Starting point is 00:32:37 is exploded to ridiculous rates. But this is where I think a lot of the problems are, and to be honest with you, I think it's all gonna change, it's gonna be disrupted. Totally. I don't think we have enough time It's just wait I dinosaur formula Apple Amazon and Google are on their way with all that stuff. I truly believe that I mean it just makes sense as a company too That if you I mean, I don't know how many I don't know if jug can Google this how many total employees

Starting point is 00:33:02 Work for a company like Amazon or Google or Facebook or any of those. But when you start getting up in the tens of thousands of employees, it's worth your time to probably build a university- Like its own little country. That is solely based around your company, where it's doing currently, what it's doing in the future, and educating the young minds on how they can be a valuable asset to that. And I think companies will invest in it, and that's where it's going to shake things up

Starting point is 00:33:28 big time. Dude, not only that, because it's such a competitive market when you try and work in tech. It's so competitive, they make so much money, because it's so competitive, and there's not enough talent to go imagine a brainwashing and propaganda. I'm going through Amazon you. Dude, do you know how this is? In case you check this out,

Starting point is 00:33:47 my niece is a recruiter from Facebook. She was a recruiter for Google before. She's moving out, she's taking off to New York next month to low out there and help start up another one of their recruiting headquarters. And so I'm kinda asking her details of how big those normally are. Normally between 50 to 150 employees in these hubs. they're in all the major cities right New York

Starting point is 00:34:07 Seattle LA San Jose whatever and so what they what they do is their entire job is to Find these other people on from Amazon Google and basically poach all these people and they're competing with them And it's a struggle for them, but they have a whole They have a whole building dedicated just to finding these people that have this level of education and experience in this arena and field. If they're spending that much money already on things like that, what makes you think they're not gonna-

Starting point is 00:34:37 Think about this, you're investing. Think about this way, if you're Google or Amazon or Netflix or whoever and you're exploding, you go, and by the way, it's not hard to see in high schools who's already gifted and who wants to do this kind of stuff. You can go to robotics tournaments, you could go to engineering classes, you could talk to teachers. What if they went to these kids and said,

Starting point is 00:34:55 hey, I know you just graduated high school and you wanna go to whatever university. Here's what we wanna do. We're gonna pay you and for the next two years, not only are you gonna get paid, but we're gonna teach you the following skills and give you these certifications, and then you're going to have an opportunity to work for us.

Starting point is 00:35:08 How many kids do you think would fucking jump on that? Oh, yeah. Especially low-income kids, especially kids who show a talent for this kind of stuff who can't afford to go to college who might need to make money right now. It would be so smart. And I guarantee you that's going to happen. Oh, yeah. I guarantee you that's going to happen. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I We're like Blockbuster when Netflix started coming out. They're totally blind and pretending like they're gonna be around forever.

Starting point is 00:35:45 But I'm sorry, man, in 2018, when I'm taking your class that's costing me a shit ton of money, and on top of it, I have to buy a book. That's $300. This is bullshit. You know, it's a fucking racket. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:35:59 Oh, what do you got? What do you got? We opened out a box before? Yeah, we got Thrive Market Box. Oh, 2018. Bring on the goodies. Has anybody looked into getting something You got something that we're open out of a box before yeah, we got thrive market box 2018 bring on the goodies have we as anybody looked into getting something for all this thrive stuff that we're starting to accumulate like a pantry thing We have a closet But we should we're using most of it though. Yeah, I'll eat the fuck out. I've been okay So this is a little bit different box today.

Starting point is 00:36:25 We travel a lot and I end up cooking sometimes. So this is really for me. Oh, and for you. This is the self-interview. And for you and for me. So here's the thing about cooking healthy food. You know, it's all about flavor, right? So it makes something taste good.

Starting point is 00:36:39 I have some ideas here that we're gonna have when we travel. It starts with some red boat fish sauce. Okay. What is that, dude? I've never used fish sauce. Pass that over here, dude. Is that the stuff that you get like at a Vietnamese restaurant where you dip

Starting point is 00:36:56 like egg rolls and stuff in? It's like salty. It's salty. It's used in Vietnamese cooking. It's used in Thai cooking. Okay, that's why I thought it was a fish-asian cooking. Hey, baby, give me some was a fish-asian cooking. I know. Hey, baby, give me some of that fish sauce.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Fish sauce. So I love Asian flavors. First one. Shh. You know you do that. In many ways. You don't say. So here's some toasted sesame oil.

Starting point is 00:37:17 Toasted sesame oil. You're selected. Boy, they have some really unique stuff here, man. This is like stuff that you know might have to go to a specialty store to go find. Yeah, you have to go to Asian market often time. Right, right, right. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:37:28 Marcell regular supermarkets do have a Asian aisle, but you know, this is less expensive. Here's some Thai kitchen red curry paste. Oh, that's spicy. Did you, so, because Thrive Market has these products, they're all non-GMO and probably better off, better, right? Yeah, it looks like they've sourced really good products here. Now this one's called Mother-in-Laws Gochujang.

Starting point is 00:37:54 I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's a fermented chili paste. It's a Korean paste. It's excellent. Hey, Justin, I saw your mother-in-law's Gochujang yesterday. I'm gonna talk about my... Anyway, I use this a lot when I cook. I love to. I'm excited for what you're going to whip up for you know what I feel like this is you're putting together the recipe for those Brussels sprouts that I really liked over an L.A. Oh yeah. Wasn't that all this? Oh yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:17 The ones the ones that we had at that one place. What was it called? Oh, that's right. I wanted to recreate those. That's what we're going gonna eat when we go to the next one. That's right. I got some peanut butter guys. This is Thrive Market Brand. Bring me some back. Oh good. It's great for peanut sauce.

Starting point is 00:38:31 Oh peanut butter. Very nice. So you can see where I'm going with this. I'm going to add some... Like chicken sautee with that. I can see peanut butter sauce. Dude, I can't do chicken sauté anymore. What's the, I got chicken butter sauce.

Starting point is 00:38:41 No, we got hell's wrong with you. Native forest, we got some coconut milk. Oh, that's the one that I used to make my weight gainer shakes with. Yeah. That's straight up. That exact brand. Yep. And that's a ton of medium chain triglycerides. That's organic.

Starting point is 00:38:52 Nice. We also got Thai kitchen organic coconut milk. I'm gonna compare the two. Mm-hmm. Got a few cans of that. All right. Dang, that went off. Yeah, you did.

Starting point is 00:39:02 You want to cook. He's ready. And then I noticed that Thrive Market, this is off topic a little bit did he wants to cook. He's ready and then I noticed that thrive market This is off topic a little bit. They have their own jerky brand Do you might want to keep those in the box there? I didn't even get any of the last one. Did you guys fucking scarfed all the jerky down? I don't feel bad at all The jerky and the nuts don't last, but a day or two around you guys. I just see that's right there.

Starting point is 00:39:27 I jerky my nuts all day. Yeah, but how much is left to those things? Justin was fucking drinking them. Yeah, the whole half of the bag. He opened the bag and he was just pouring them down his throat. This is why he opened the gulet. That's why I keep the food from Adam.

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Starting point is 00:40:14 and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, first up is from Diary of a Fit Guy. Hey, it's our boy. Ah, yeah. Which insta-famous fitness celebrity do you think All right, first up is from Diary of a Fit Guy. Hey, it's our boy. Yeah. Which instant famous fitness celebrity do you think actually embodies the fitness lifestyle the best? And what would you advise him to do to stay relevant and successful?

Starting point is 00:40:35 Wow. I have no idea. That's a really hard question. That's super tough. Who's doing it well? Well, I will say this. I will say, you know, part of what we saw as far as the blue waters, right, in this arena was.

Starting point is 00:40:51 You got to explain blue waters first. So, so blue waters just means that, you know, everybody in business, when something is pop in like, like, podcasting is getting more popular, right? So it's becoming shark-infested, right? Lots of fish, a lot of people and they're fighting over similar type of topics. There's probably a hundred keto podcasts now. There's probably a hundred muscle-building type podcasts or more. So it's becoming shark-infested.

Starting point is 00:41:16 So it's becoming red. Right, it's becoming red waters, bloody waters. So finding your blue water is finding an area that is untapped or that you don't have a ton of sharks in already. So I think when we first came into this space, something that we all agreed on that was needed was some way of entertaining people with education together because there was a huge division when we came in, we felt we felt like we could be wrong. But this was like academia and bros.

Starting point is 00:41:46 Right, exactly. It was one of the other. It was either you had this entertaining side, the sex appeal side, you can just funny, comical, with not a lot of content to back it up or a lot of really good solid information, or you have podcasters,

Starting point is 00:42:01 which are a lot of our friends that are very intelligent that put out incredible information, but not everybody wants to tune into a podcast and just feel like they're going to school every single time they tune in. Some people want to casually listen, and I feel like that was a major formula for our success, and I also think that it will be continued to be a formula for future success for us. And I think you'll see more and more people model that. Now, who do I think is killing it in the Insta Famous world right now?

Starting point is 00:42:34 Well, because the way I look at it is somebody who's crushed, and we say Insta Famous, so I'm going to use Instagram as an example, people who are, when I say crushing it in Instagram, I mean half a million to a million followers or more. Like because there's a lot of good people with a hundred thousand followers. But I but the people are really killing it, half a million to a million and so far I've seen nobody. And now that doesn't mean I haven't seen everybody, right? But from what I've seen, I've seen nobody who I think is really exemplifying the right message with fitness and health. I just think that,

Starting point is 00:43:07 how about someone like Bimpakowski? I think Bimpakowski. Is he that big? Fuck yeah. No, no, no, no. Is he a half a million followers? Oh, I don't know if he's a half a million. That's what I mean.

Starting point is 00:43:15 I'm talking about the people with, with like, you know, a ton of... He's considered in the fitness space. He's famous enough, bro. The guys of Pro Body Village have been on the Olympia stage. Yeah, but what I'm talking about, but the point I was gonna make is like that, bro. The guys of Pro Body Bill, he's been on the Olympia stage. He's got a huge business. But the point I was gonna make is like that. I'm talking about the big Instagram pages,

Starting point is 00:43:29 half a million, million, two million, three million followers. What they tend to do really well is Instagram. They do Instagram really, really well. Yeah, but listen to the question. The question's asking, who do we think that's insta-famous, that we think is doing a good job or putting out the right message? Not who we don't think is putting it.

Starting point is 00:43:45 Well, what do we mean by Insta Famous? He kind of made his name before. So for me to write. Yeah, I think it's just his way of saying famous. Like, you know, it's just a way of saying famous. Somebody's up there. Yeah, right. And Ben Pekolsky would be considered,

Starting point is 00:43:56 if you get over 100,000 followers, you're Insta Famous. The average Jane or Joe doesn't build more than a couple thousand people following the mean if you're really popular, right? So anything, I think anything over 10,000 could be considered that, right? So who do we think is doing that really well in our space? I think Ben has a really good message and I think that a lot of what he talks about resonates with me. Now, I think if he's going to continue to do well and continue to explode,

Starting point is 00:44:20 I think where he's different from us is the entertaining side. I think he has a lot less focus on that. And I think that's okay. I think he can have a very successful business. And I think that he'll continue to thrive. No doubt. I think we have a lot of our ambition is to break into break into the larger market, which is outside of fitness. Like we don't want to just talk to people that only care about fitness and want fitness facts every single day. We want to actually help the average Jaina Joe,

Starting point is 00:44:52 somebody who enjoys the entertainment factor of the business, and then oh, by the way, these smart guys give me bits of information that we're going to help me live a healthier life. You know what's unfortunate is when I think of mega like fitness celebrities, like the people that the average Jaina Joe would know, because the average Jaina Joe would have no idea

Starting point is 00:45:11 who Ben Pukolsky is or mine pump or any other people. The ones that everybody knows of, like the real big famous people, I don't know, can you guys think of any of them that are really putting out good stuff? Cause I can't really think of any right? I'm really racking my brain right now to kind of come up with some examples. But when you say insta-famous, the immediate thing I think of are the only people that are super well-known,

Starting point is 00:45:37 either are known by their super-intense, like crazy types of exercises that they display constantly, or they look insanely good, or they're showing a lot of skin, or, you know, like, I don't know, I guess, like, I mean, Amanda Bootshi on some level, she's like pretty famous on that level, and like, is kind of redirecting her message, you know, in the right direction, I think.

Starting point is 00:46:03 I guess would be an example for me, but, you know, anybody is sort of on that level, redirecting her message in the right direction, I think. I guess we'd be an example for me, but anybody is sort of on that level as far as the new wave. The new wave of these people are becoming more popular amongst social media. It's tough. Yeah, what we need is we need somebody or people who are in for the Lewis House.

Starting point is 00:46:23 I don't think he counts as a fit. Yeah, we need people who have in fitness. I don't think they have. Who have counts as, you know. Yeah, we need people who have a really good message who go big, big mainstream because the mainstream message with fitness is still terrible. It really is, it's still really, really bad. When you get up to that level, it's still the same. It's still the same.

Starting point is 00:46:42 The Jillian Michaels of. Right, yeah. Although Jillian Michaels recently, like if you look at some of the stuff she talks about She's been changing her tune. She has she she really has Yeah, but you're still not getting a great a great message now. Who's fault is that? I mean, I blame the consumer. Yeah at the end of the day the consumer They don't know what they don't know so they just like you know the sweat They like the burn they like the high intensity, the fun, they like the sexy.

Starting point is 00:47:09 And so that's what they give their money to, and that's what continues to grow and become bigger. And people with really good information who are saying the right things, they don't sell it as well. They just typically don't sell it. That's the problem. Well, even ourselves, I think we struggle with this. I mean, we're getting constantly hounded by our marketing team that, you know, we need to simplify. Simplify.

Starting point is 00:47:31 Even after we've simplified. Right. Even after we've tried to simplify things as much as possible. And we're like, well, we don't want to dumb it down or we don't want to make it to where it's, it doesn't make it so simple that you lose the science behind it, right? But so that's a, that's even a challenge for us, is how do we continue to provide great information and still break out of just the fitness little pond and get into the masses without devaluing our message by oversimplifying it? So that's definitely a challenge. I think those that are, like,

Starting point is 00:48:06 you know, Insta Famous or, you know, Famous on social media right now, I think if it's based off of things like looks and cool videos that you do and things like that, I think it's short-lived. I think they won't be around for five years from now. And, you know, I'm talking about the like, it works with the current format. The page half the way is the Devon Fisek's, the those type of people. I think that if they don't learn or continue to educate

Starting point is 00:48:37 themselves in the field that they're making most of their money, because I'm not saying that those people can't go be successful. Like 100% those people could pivot and end up doing some multi level marketing which I think Devon Fizika is doing now. I do some MLL thing and make a fuck ton of money. But if you're going to be in the fitness space and you're in St. Famous right now and you got there off of booty picks or off of fucking cool videos or look at me, I can do this funny cool shit, I think that you will come,

Starting point is 00:49:03 you'll become a slave to that same thing and you'll have to continue to provide that forever. And I think most people that wears on, and I think we saw an example of that when we were hanging out with Bradley down there for the weekend, you could tell that how much that is wearing on him, that he is, you could tell that. He's much more than, you know, his popular appearance. Right. Respect all those types of like gimmicks stuff that you know,

Starting point is 00:49:25 he kind of like has to like do these crazy feats to sort of give it to them. They want that entertainment. And I think there's, I think there's, it's like a double edged sword when some of these people go viral, right, or get famous really fast because something that was good for us, it took a really long time to really get a lot of traction

Starting point is 00:49:41 from Mind Pump and we were very clear on our message and our vision. And I think that's helped us, the fact that we didn't grow fast. I think if we split, if we put some video out already and it just exploded right away, then maybe we were tempted to keep doing this. Right, you're tempted to keep doing that. That worked. Oh, it just keep doing that. Still working.

Starting point is 00:49:59 Right, where we had to rely on, okay, getting better better as podcasters getting better interviewer getting better Interviewees, you know doing things like that that has actually just continued to build value in the show So you know who I think is starting to who kind of does a good job of bringing like good fitness information forward Now I don't I don't listen to Joe Rogan religiously. I respect the guy. I think it's great interviewer But I've seen you know every once in a while listen to his episodesan religiously. I respect the guy, I think, is a great interviewer. But I've seen, you know, every once in a while listen to his episodes. And he's done a decent job bringing unknown people on his show.

Starting point is 00:50:32 He's got like, Ronda Patrick, more popular. Chris Cresser was on his show too. That's a great example. I think Joe Rogan's a good example. Yeah, he seems to be, you know, kind of bringing these people on who are talking about health and wellness and fitness differently than the old mainstream. Yeah, you know, I think that's a great example.

Starting point is 00:50:49 I think I think and he's he's a I mean, fuck, he's the Oprah fucking podcast. You know, I'm saying like you're talking about he's going. He has a good knowledge base already, but yeah, you're right. He does seek out like very intelligence. Very intelligent. Bro, he's going kind of mainstream. I don't know what I was watching the other day and it might have been was the movie bright It was there. Yeah, it was just bright. It was he came in Netflix just I mean that they were showing So is it at where's it at now is I get 17 million or 10 million 12 million?

Starting point is 00:51:15 Where is it at views already that have watched that now see him on there like and they put him in oh dude Yeah, cuz he they were they were watching his podcast on their computer or whatever. So Joe Rogan was in this kind of mainstream-ish movie or whatever. And he's going kind of mainstream, podcasts and go, so it's good thing. And you know, I like Rogan's message for the most part. Talks about kinds of different things, but he's bringing some of these people to lie. I really think what it's going to take is this to find the right combination of entertainment, mass appeal, and good information and communication ability is, that's like finding a unicorn. I think what it's going to take is the people who have the ability to have that appeal and to communicate, well, need to be the ones to introduce these super smart people.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Rogan's kind of doing that. We hope to do that as well. And I see that being more. I think you're gonna see a lot of things shake up and change over the next five to 10 years with, like think about like the booty pigs and the cool imagery or the people that Photoshop to get them to look for their transformation pictures.

Starting point is 00:52:21 Like a lot of people got a lot of traction off of gimmicks and bullshit like that. That right now it's Instagram was so new and these fucking badass iPhones and all the the abilities that we have with Photoshop. All these things are relatively new technology, right? So I think that as that kind of gets old,

Starting point is 00:52:41 it's like, I've seen that all right. I've seen a thousand as shots. I've seen a thousand guys do goofy things on Instagram. Like, as it starts to not appeal to people, and I think we're seeing it already. I think it's already becoming less cool. I think the hype was really cool when it first hit, and some people were smart,

Starting point is 00:52:58 attached themselves to that exploded in a great place right now. But to maintain that, they will have to evolve. You have to continue to reinvent in that, they will have to evolve. You always have to continue to reinvent in business. You always have to be reinventing yourself. If you're not growing, you're dying. It's one of the other.

Starting point is 00:53:12 There's no cruising. You are fucking either the business is either dying or it's growing. Well, fake is starting to become not cool and real is starting to become cool. So like when we talk to our marketing team, right? And they're like, hey, when you do a video, just hold do it with your iPhone because it gives that that feeling of realism. Right.

Starting point is 00:53:32 Three years ago, four years ago, never, they would have never said that was a professional camera, clean imagery, you know, good editing. $1,000 a year. Yeah, and devote. And now people want that realism. You look at major advertising campaigns like dove where they're showing you know quote unquote real women or real people or you see

Starting point is 00:53:51 these fitness celebrities now or start how popular is the picture now where you have the girl standing all posed and then she has a picture right next to her with her stumbling hanging out or she's sitting down and showing her to show how real she is. Bro, I don't know anybody else that was doing that before I did that on my fucking ass. I'm swear to God, dude. Started the crazy. That was three years ago, over three years ago now, when I used to do, this is me, first thing in the morning, no, this is also too, a lot of people me, they're like, oh shit,

Starting point is 00:54:19 you're bigger than when I expected. And I was like, well, that's because all the photos that you see me when I show you before and after is it's first thing in the morning, flat as fuck, no carbs in me, no pump in me, standing to show you the difference of my progress. Not 600 grams of carbs in me, a gallon of water, and I pump, I'm a different human when I have 600 grams of carbs,

Starting point is 00:54:40 and I'm literally like a 15 pounds bigger and look probably 30 pounds bigger with that. And you're showing people the difference. Right. And I would show people, I'd show people even the difference of watch what happens. I would show that. I show, watch how much I can manipulate the way I look on Instagram from the morning

Starting point is 00:54:55 till the night. They saw a food in a pump and I would show people that I've seen so many people do that after the fact. It's becoming a thing now. Oh yeah. I think realism is starting to become cool, which I think is a good thing, but I'm also a little bit weary of it

Starting point is 00:55:10 because with anything, they'll take something and then they'll turn it into, yeah, it'll be super produced to look real. Yeah, I was saying, of course. No, no, no, that looks too good. Let's make sure to stick your stomach out a little more. Mess up your hair a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing some dirt on it. Yeah. Next question is from Feebs Cray K. Can you spot reduce, or do you lose fat all over, even if you target a certain part of the body? So we've covered this on previous podcasts a while ago, and I forget how many episodes we've done since then. And so I think it's an important thing that we cover again.

Starting point is 00:55:44 Yeah, I think we visit the whole thing. Because you sweat cream. Yeah, you could definitely do it. This is super. It's still one of the most commonly believed things among people who work out. So when we pick this question, I quickly went online just to look at the modern evidence

Starting point is 00:56:01 because I've known for a long time that spot reduction is largely a myth. Now, the belief is, because I've known for a long time that spot reduction is largely a myth. Now the belief is, if I work out my right leg and I leave my left leg alone, not only will I build more muscle in my right leg, but then I will also burn more body fat locally in my right leg than I will in my left leg. And that's been pretty much debunked.

Starting point is 00:56:22 They've done many, many, many studies on this. And they've shown that it is not a local fat burning effect. There's more of a systemic effect where your body mobilizes body fat systemically, and it usually burns body fat from the places that you tend to store it. Like the first place you burn it is the last place that you use reserve as your store. Yeah, and not only that, but the first place you store it is the last place that you reserve as you store it. Yeah, and not only that, but the first place you store

Starting point is 00:56:45 is the last place you lose it. So if you tend to store in your belly, that's typically the last place you're gonna lose it as you get leaner. You lose it from everywhere else before that happens. Now, as I'm looking through these studies, I did find one, believe it or not, I did find one that hints that some spot reduction may actually I've read that I've read that

Starting point is 00:57:07 but the the amount is so small. It's negligible. Exactly. That it doesn't matter. It's not worth. It's definitely not worth doing a thousand crunches a day if you're trying to fucking get a flat tummy. Like that would be counterproductive doing a thousand crunches.

Starting point is 00:57:22 You'd be far better off spending that time doing some other doing cardio lifting almost anything else. I mean, almost anything else physically. If you were, if your goal was to, you know, get a six pack or have better abdominal areas so that and you have a big belly, your, you are way better off, you know, going on a treadmill or going for a hike or doing squats or anything else. Being more active and eating right. I mean, a thousand sit-ups is better than nothing. A thousand sit-ups is going to help the reduction in your stomach than doing zero sitting on the couch. This is a burning calorie. But the amount of time that it takes you to do a thousand sit-ups, if you apply that same time

Starting point is 00:57:58 doing almost any other exercise because almost every other exercise probably burns more calories than a crunch does. You would get further along your goal. Well, you also have this other side too, where if I work out my legs and I build muscle in my legs, it's going to create the... Because here's the bottom line. The bottom line is you want to get leaner, yes, but you also want to look leaner. Can you create the illusion of spot reduction through targeted exercise? Yes, you can. I've experienced that personally.

Starting point is 00:58:32 I'll use my core as an example, you know, for years, I trained my core, my abs and my obliques in particular with high repetition type exercises. I believe the myth that you train the abs in the core differently than you train the other body, that you need to train it with high reps, that's how you develop those muscles and that low reps or high resistance doesn't do much for the midsection.

Starting point is 00:58:56 And so for years, that's how I train my core. And when I get really, really lean, I would get a six pack, but I'd have to like flex my abs to really see it. And I never had that six pack that was there when I was relaxed. Like I was always jealous when I would see athletes that were just kind of sitting there breathing and not even flexing their abs, but they had this like really well-defined midsection. In particular, I remember watching the movie Predator and you had Carl Weathers in Predator.

Starting point is 00:59:21 And Carl Weathers has a shirt off a couple of times. And he's breathing heavily, and he's just got these abs that protrude. And I remember thinking, I fuck, do I need to get leaner to get that? Like, how lean do I have to get to be able to get abs where I could see them without having to flex? And the leanest I'd ever gotten up until this point would be around 7%,

Starting point is 00:59:39 which is fucking lean. It's single-digit body fat, and not stage lean, but it's quite lean. Now, fast forward a few years later, and I started to understand that some of the myths I had surrounding, some of the ideas I had around surrounding core exercises were myths. So I started training my abs and my core with more resistance, decline sit- know, hanging leg raises, but done with, you know, perfect form, you know, flag, flag pole exercises and stuff like that, you know, Planking, but doing them with lots of tension resistance. And my abs started to develop. I started to build the muscles of my abs. Now as a result of that, my abs and my midsection looked leaner even at the same body fat percentage or even higher body fat percentages to the point where now at 9% or 10% whereas before

Starting point is 01:00:33 at 10% you couldn't see my 6 pack unless I really flexed and had good lighting, now you could see my 6 pack standing there relaxed. And it wasn't because I reduced more body fat around my midsection, it was because I created the illusion of looking leaner because my muscles were more developed and this is why I think so many people are bought into the spot reduction myth because they realize they see that. You don't think it's from all the quarter-seps and chaga that you were rubbing on your abs to get that to reduce. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:01:02 It's funny, you just brought up Chaga. So, triplets, I know they're, so we're sponsored by Forsecmatic and they have one of their supplements is Chaga. I just read an article on Chaga on how people in Siberia and Russia have been using Chaga because it grows naturally on trees, how they've been using it for a long time, hundreds of years. It has been something that they've been using it for a long time, you know, hundreds of years, it has been something that they've consumed

Starting point is 01:01:27 to help them deal with the hunger pains of long fasting because when these people in Sarberia would go hunting or whatever, it could be a week. Oh shit I was just making that shit up. No, it's for reals. They would it would be like a week before they would find you know or kill something so they'd go without food for a whole week. And Chaga in Siberia and Russia was used differently than it was used in Chinese medicine. For them, they were used to help combat the fatigue and effects of hunger. So I did a little research and I did a natural appetite or suppressant. Yes. It actually is. It's actually a natural appetite suppressant. So, which, you know, on the topic of fat loss, for some people that can help,

Starting point is 01:02:10 is, you know, putting yourself in a state where you're not necessarily craving. But I also want to make the point too, but this is also how these companies get away with marketing fat loss pills and things like that, is they throw something like chaga in it, and now make this claim that it's a fat loss pill because it can actually help suppress your appetite.

Starting point is 01:02:28 It's interesting. It's also anti-fungal, anti-parasitic, anti-bacterial. So sometimes cravings are the result of, like if you have, what is it called? It's a fungus that... It's a fungus that you can get a lot of, and you can go on a diet that's anti, and I can't think of the name right now.

Starting point is 01:02:50 Doug's gonna look it up for me. But anyhow, if you have overgrowth or dysbiosis, Candida, there you go. Candida. If you have like overgrowth and Candida, it'll cause you to crave... Isn't that what Christine is? Isn't that what Christina has?

Starting point is 01:03:04 Yeah, she had Candida. Or Candida overgrowth, because everybody has a little Candida. It can, it'll cause you to crave. Isn't that what Christine is? Isn't that what Christina has? Yeah, she had Candida. Or Candida overgrowth, because everybody has a little Candida. Because it feasts on sugar, if you have a lot of it, it will compel you to eat more sugar to keep itself alive. And chaga's anti Candida. So that may be one of the ways, and I'm speculating here, it may be one of the ways that it kills appetite. But no, as far as spot reduction is concerned,

Starting point is 01:03:26 bodybuilders for years have observed that, hey, if I work out my shoulders, they look leaner. I don't think it's because the shoulders get leaner. Again, the studies show that that's not what's happening, but you're shoulders are going to look leaner. Because you got more muscle. So from that standpoint, spot reduction is real. You're not actually reducing more body fat

Starting point is 01:03:44 from the area you're working, but if you develop the muscles underneath it. You're developing into finding. You're not actually reducing more body fat from the area you're working, but if you develop the muscles underneath it, you're developing into finding. You're gonna look leaner in there. You feel more muscular legs, even if it's the same fat. What you're talking about, somebody with a lot of fat. I think this is where the misconception comes from. If I had a female client, this is common, they come in and they say, you know, Adam, I want to get my flabby arms, I want to get rid of my flabby arms or whatever. You know, it's not just us leaning out. I mean, that's part of the process, but it's also building some biceps and triceps because that's going to tighten up.

Starting point is 01:04:12 I know that if I reduce her body fat and I build her arms, it's going to give her that illusion of her skin tightening up because she's going to lose fat and then she's all going to replace that fat that's there now with muscle that she's built. And it's actually going to fill out her arms, give her more shape to her arms because that's the only thing too, like the way fat looks in us versus what muscle looks like, the shape of it is even different, you know. Dude, 15% body fat on a man that has no muscle looks very different than 15% body fat on a muscular guy.

Starting point is 01:04:43 Oh, very good. And I'm talking about, by the way, 15% means that they have the same percentage of their body's body fat. So, it's equivalent. So I know some people are like, well, he actually has more body, no. 15% of their body weight being body fat in both cases, the guy with more muscle, if you took his clothes off, looks leaner. Same is true for women.

Starting point is 01:05:03 If you have the same body fat percentage, but you have muscular development, you are going to looks leaner, same as true for women. If you have the same body fat percentage, but you have muscular development, you are gonna look leaner. So from that standpoint, spot reduction is a real thing. Also with body fat being considered, when you consider bloat to what that looks like, when you're really bloated all the time.

Starting point is 01:05:20 Oh, dude, that's huge. That's huge, and that's just your digestion. Yeah, it's just something simple. Oh man, I had this client that I trained a long time ago who was, she was lean, like fit and lean. So her body fat percentage, if I had to gas was probably in the mid teens, which for a woman is pretty lean, like 15, 16%, you're pretty lean.

Starting point is 01:05:42 But she also had digestive issues and I remember She hired me we started training together and she would tell me like man by the end of the day south She's like my stomach would be so bloated that I feel like I almost look pregnant and she sent a picture to me once and No joke like you're talking about I mean a massive difference between how she looked in the morning and how she looked at the end of the day Then she ended up working with one of the individuals I had in there that worked with nutrition and helped find her food in tolerances. She figured those out. She didn't get any leaner, but for sure she looked leaner, you know what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:06:16 The thing, the perception, I've noticed that, too, even like, I don't want to throw my wife under the bus, but there's times where I know she's been like eating a certain way and it's really like she's retaining a lot of water and always can plan like dude You're just bloated. Oh, I know it's a huge difference dude I like that's why I tell you guys all the time about the diet soda thing so that when they're in I can see my body My face is holding water my stomach looks bloated Cut them out and I'll send I look I look way different Okay, and it does it takes away different. And it does. It takes like a day or two, you know, a day or two,

Starting point is 01:06:47 and then it kind of releases everything, and then you can see a huge difference. And then minute eye drink at the end, it's... Now, here's another interesting thing about fat loss is just because we're saying spot reduction is a myth, and it's proven by many, many studies, doesn't mean that the things that you do or that your body changes within your body

Starting point is 01:07:07 Won't change how the sequence or the pattern that you burn body fat that actually would change with your hormones So so studies have shown that if your cortisol levels are high If you're a woman in your estrogen dominant or if your progesterone is off or if you're a man and you have a line to stop doing with this right now I told you remember yesterday I was sharing with you you know the the biggest part and you know the depression like I'm not a guy who gets depressed right I have a very positive outlook on life and I typically can take anything that's bad in my life and spend it for the good or find the good the silver lining right bad in my life and spend it for the good or find the good, the silver lining, right? But this whole low test osherone thing, it's, there's so many other factors.

Starting point is 01:07:49 And one of the ones that I wasn't prepared for mentally was to see how it's actually changing the shape of my body. Like I have this kind of pair shape. Your storing body fat differently? Yes, the way I'm storing body fat is different than how I would normally store body fat. I can, I can, I can visibly see the difference on how my body is holding. And it's giving me this kind of, you know, as I'm putting body fat on, it's getting this

Starting point is 01:08:12 kind of pear shape look to me that I've never, I've never really had. And it's really, it's fascinating and depressing at the same time. I'm fascinated by it because I know what's going on with my body. I know that I have very low testosterone right now and I'm working on that, but to try and stay the course and do what I need to do to try and build it back up while seeing things like that. It's a motherfucker. There's multiple factors at the end of the day.

Starting point is 01:08:36 That's why spot reduction is not, you can't just definitively say. Yeah. What do you think that is? How do you think it's like the, because my estrogen is higher and my testosterone is so low? And so- I think it's the ratio of estrogen

Starting point is 01:08:50 to testosterone, just low testosterone. They'll show that if a man has low testosterone, his fat storage will change. Same thing for a woman, you'll notice how younger women tend to store more on their hips and thighs, and butt, and as they get older, they start to store more on their hips and thighs, and but as they get older, they start to store more belly fat.

Starting point is 01:09:07 That's hormonal changes, and they show in studies that when they give hormones to people that their fat storage patterns start to change as well. So, do you think it's so obvious that like if we were to put 10 men in a room and the body types were very, very different. Like, say they're all about 25 or 30% body fat.

Starting point is 01:09:29 So everyone's carrying significant weight on them. Do you think that we could guesstimate like that person probably has lower testosterone than that person in this person has? I think it's a factor, but I think it's one factor. There's a lot of factors that'll determine that. And I don't think we've isolated every single one of them, but genetics plays a role so do hormones.

Starting point is 01:09:50 Like if we, like I think again, we talked about this earlier in the episode, there's a genetic kind of propensity to where you're gonna tend to store body fat and where your hormones are will dictate where you fall in that spectrum, but you may have a spectrum that's kind of set for you. Like I've known guys that, I've known guys that were on

Starting point is 01:10:07 anabolic set store. I had a buddy that used to take anabolic steroids, you know, all the time. And this dude just stored body fat in his fucking upper chest, back, and neck. He just, and it was strange. And you've said, I'm sure you've seen people like that, they just store really weird. And they're upper body and they get a lot of fat around their chest. And that's just the genetically how we stores body fat. Well, and every, I know every woman seen the girl who's fucking blessed and lucky, who

Starting point is 01:10:31 puts stars in her boobs and ass. Boobs and ass. That's really, she puts on 15 pounds of fat. He goes, all there are tits and ass. It's like, fucking, oh bummer. I can't eat that cheese cake. It's going to good places. Everybody, every girl hates that girl, right?

Starting point is 01:10:44 Everybody hates that girl. All right, next one is from Skamy Neski. What do you guys have against Danny and his Swiss ball while performing lifts? As long as the weight is light, I have found it pivotal in developing my stabilizer muscles and improving overall core strength and balance. Did you pick this up?

Starting point is 01:11:01 Yeah, I did. Did you want a jab or a boy or a nut? Is that why? Is you want a jab or a bowler? Is that why? Is you want a jab? I don't know what bowler time. Dude, don't you know that's like the biggest knock that everybody has on functional patterns? Is it all standing on balls?

Starting point is 01:11:13 Yeah, yeah. You always see him defending himself about it because other fitness tips. He's got a good shit. Right. He's got really, really good shit. You know, here's a thing like... So, nothing. We have nothing against it. Now, here's a thing like, so nothing, we have nothing against it. Now,

Starting point is 01:11:27 here's the thing, when you're spending your time working out, first off, you have goals that you want to consider. What are my goals? And then you also want to look at what kind of a return are you going to get for the time that you're investing in these exercises. Now, if you're the average person, and your goals are to be more fit, more muscle, less body fat, and just overall move better, and you have a grand total of four hours a week to dedicate to the gym, which is a decent amount of time.

Starting point is 01:12:00 It's more than most people can only dedicate two or three hours a week. Do I think you're gonna get a lot of return on investment on spending tons of time? No. Trying to balance on a physio ball, staying on it, doing curls, no. I think you'll get way more just perfecting a barbell squat, barbell deadlift, overhead press, some rotational stuff, and then like gross motor movement.

Starting point is 01:12:20 Yeah, you're just gonna get way more return. If you're a football player and you want to maximize your power and speed and you only have seven hours a week to spend in the gym, I also think it's not that good of a return on investment because you need power strength and agility and although I can see a place for some of this, I don't see a ton of return investment. If your goal is to be able to balance on a fisioball, or your goal is to have, that's a great idea. Then it's a great idea.

Starting point is 01:12:49 The body is very specific in how it adapts, and it adapts to what you do. And there's some carryover to other things, but there's not a ton, there's not a ton of carryover. So if you get someone who gets really, really good at squatting on a fizzial ball, they're probably going to add some weight to the squat, but not a lot. If you get someone who just squats, they're going to add a shit ton of weight to their

Starting point is 01:13:13 squat. Now, which one is going to contribute more towards what your goal is? That's what you have to ask yourself. That's all it is. That's the only reason why in the past, it may sound like we have a problem. Now, when it comes to developing stabilizer muscles, I really hate that term because what do you mean by that? Like I can develop, I can develop a stabilizer muscles really well with every time you do anything you're developing stabilizer muscles. What do you mean by that? It's a very generic term that people throw around that doesn't really mean fucking jack

Starting point is 01:13:41 shit. No. I don't know. Here's, I'll tell you something I used to do. It wasn't on a stability ball. I used to flip over a bow soup ball and I would have clients do squats on there. And the logic behind why I would do this is it was a really cool way to teach people the mechanics of the squat because if you stand on a, if you flip a bow soup ball over

Starting point is 01:14:03 where it's kind of wide, how much pressure are you putting on like each side? Everything, right? You can't, you have to really distribute your weight evenly to get down and this would just be body weight. They're not stack, I'm not stacking weights on them. It's really using it more as a teaching tool. Right, I help them up onto it and then I, and then I have them squat down.

Starting point is 01:14:19 And what I'm trying to show them is this is how your body needs to look mechanically when we're on stable ground. And so I used it as a tool like that to refer to for them. It was not like a staple exercise that was in my routines. It wasn't for every client of mine. But you know, some clients don't understand cues. Like some clients, if you say retract your shoulders, they just can't fucking compute that.

Starting point is 01:14:41 You know, or if you say, sit back on your hips, they just can't fucking, they can't compute. They're just don't, they don't have compute that. Or if you say sit back on your hips, they just can't fucking, they can't compute, they're just don't, they don't have that, right? So I've used a lot of techniques, a lot of stability type techniques to force people in a good posture. Standing on one leg and doing bicep curls doesn't sound like it's a very good idea

Starting point is 01:14:59 or the best way to spend your time. But there are some benefits from it that I've used because what it does is try standing, having bad posture and swinging dumbbells up and bicep curls on one leg. You'll probably fall over to the side. So it does create a, I have used it as a tool to teach people proper mechanics that can't, you know, articulate their body the way I want them to. I like that. And I tend to, so I did the same thing where I used NASM and I tried to go completely in that direction. When I first was getting started as a trainer

Starting point is 01:15:35 where I'm doing the single leg bicep curls and doing the balancing reactive type training, heavily in the beginning. And, you know, I understand the concept with that, but then you start to realize what actually applies to real world functionality in everyday activities that, you know, I'm going to be placing my body in certain positions. So those are the ones I tend to gravitate more towards. And that was usually in a split stance Where I have two touch points because if I am in a single leg position is not for very long and so like for me It made a lot more sense to focus a little bit more on step-ups if that's my goal and then load it and then also Rotate my body in certain directions where I knew real life like I'm gonna experience some of these things

Starting point is 01:16:25 if that's what I'm training for. It's similar to me like Olympic lifting, and I'll explain what I mean. Olympic lifting is a very high skill form of exercise. When you get good at the skill, you can reap a lot of the benefits, but a lot of what you'll be getting with Olympic lifting for the first, I don't know, year, and this is for somebody who's got good movement

Starting point is 01:16:48 and good mobility. A lot of the first year is not reaping the benefits of Olympic lifting, it's just learning the skill of it. When you put people, most people, on stability balls and balance boards and all these different things, a lot of what they're getting for the long time is just learning the skill of being able to balance on this particular device. It's not getting the benefit of necessarily the strength, the force generation, the muscle,

Starting point is 01:17:19 the metabolic changes and that kind of stuff. So when you're a trainer and you have a client, you're training three days a week and this is the average client and the average client is relatively decondition. Maybe they worked out in the past but right now they're not working out. No major injuries or anything like that but just your average 35 to 40 something year old client. And I have three hours a day to spend, excuse me, a week to spend on this person. How much time do I want to spend developing a skill that we may reap some benefit from later on versus let's get you to do these fundamental movements like a squat, like an overhead press, like a row, where there's going to be

Starting point is 01:17:56 some time developing the skill, but that's going to be much shorter and then we'll be reaping a lot of the other benefits from it. You see what I'm saying? So there's just, there's a lot of skill involved with some of that stuff. And here's the other thing too. I said the law of specificity. You could take a cyclist with tremendous endurance

Starting point is 01:18:15 and cycling and then have them run. They'll still have a lot of endurance, but they'll notice that their performance is way lower. A lot of their ability is very specific. It's like a pie. Yeah, it's like a pie. It's like a wedge of like four quadrants, right? And you got balance, you got power, you got strength, and what was the other one I was thinking? But endurance, and so you're right in the middle, and you're devoting a lot of your attention into one of those pies, and you know, maybe they'll be, you know, like some emphasis where you're devoting a lot of your attention into one of those pies. And maybe there'll be some emphasis

Starting point is 01:18:48 where you're including others, but your body wants to be specific into one of those directions for the most part, right? And you're gonna get better and better in that direction. And so you just have to be specific. You have to know exactly like, this is what I'm training right now as a skill. And now if I wanna develop a new skill and move on and benefit the entire

Starting point is 01:19:08 Pi I'm gonna have to move on. Yeah, that's not we're not again There's I'm not to say that there's no benefit from using though. I'm not saying it's a waste of time. No but it when people place that Just on the top of the list. No and place that as the ultimate importance And that's a lot of what they do. I'll tell you what, if you're a trainer, listening right now and you get the average client that comes to see you and they wanna lose 20 pounds and become more mobile and strong and a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 01:19:33 And all you do are balance exercises. It's gonna take a long time for you to show them, really show them some return on their investment. All I did with those exactly, I never have ever had a client stand on stability wall ever in my entire career. I don't know if you guys have it. Yeah, never had a client stand on stability wall.

Starting point is 01:19:51 What I used to do though, that was very common is almost every isolation, next standing isolation exercise is in a split stance. And you just changed the stance. Right, and I always put the weaker foot forward. So if someone naturally can balance on their right leg a lot better, I put the less dominant foot forward and the back foot on its toe.

Starting point is 01:20:13 Just throws off their stability a ton of it, forces them into good posture. I'm doing an isolation exercise, like a bicep curl anyways. I'm not getting huge bang from my buck as far as building my arms. I may as well work on some posture and stability at the same time, because I'm doing these little isolation moves.

Starting point is 01:20:28 But then the most of the time is focused on the big gross motor movements, like squatting, dead lifting, good morning, things overhead presses, things like that. But when I do isolation stuff, I would incorporate that those type of kind of stability moves in there while I'm also doing something that's a nice isolation corrosion. So I think you can, and then when you compare that to somebody who's over here spinning a whole hour trying to get up on the ball and balance and stuff like that, I don't know how much more benefit that person is getting than compared to the client that I have that I'm just incorporating some stability stuff within their isolation.

Starting point is 01:21:01 And it's just what's the, what, what are you looking to get out of it? Like I want to risk versus rewarded. That's it. You have to take it into consideration. And what am I looking to get out of it? I want to look, you know, here's my day. My day is I go to my office, I work at my desk, I play with my kids, and I want to look good, I want to feel good. You know, what am I going to get out of mastering standing on a stability ball versus you know mastering some basic fundamental movements?

Starting point is 01:21:27 You know, that's that's kind of yeah It's interesting to because balance has been like one of those things I've almost abandoned as far as like train like my emphasis was more on movement patterns and being able to recognize deficiencies in the movement and Really like honing in on that and like figuring out mobility drills and different types of flow patterns and things that I can include in order to get the body more responsive

Starting point is 01:21:53 and to reconnect that connection. And that in itself promoted more balance. And here's the thing, I would do this all day long. I would set up a study or compete with somebody you give us a bunch of old people Who have poor balance and you could have someone over here just teaching them balance and you have me over here focusing on strength And I'll bet you I'll bet you money that my approach will yield faster and better results because at the core of Balance, is strength. And when you look at the older population,

Starting point is 01:22:28 because of, okay, children and old people are the people who are most likely to fall and hurt themselves because they lost a balance. Little kids and old people. And the reason why old people fall and hurt themselves for the most part, because there's a lot of issues that can happen. You can have issues with the inner ear and all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:22:44 But let's say they're healthy otherwise, is this they're not strong. They're not strong enough to support themselves. They miss a step coming down the stairs or somebody that their coordination is off. Then a lot of that could have been healthy. They don't have the strength to bend over and pick something up.

Starting point is 01:22:57 They don't have the strength to squat down without falling. And when you give them the strength, boom, all of a sudden, they've got better balance. Yeah, versus, oh, here, you know, stand on one foot. Let's time you, now practice standing on the foot, and now let's time you hear stand on this thing that's, you know, not only me, time you, no, no, make them stronger, make them stronger,

Starting point is 01:23:12 you get way faster results. Mm-hmm. Next up is from Mikey V Fitness. What's the most dangerous thing? Hey, oh, Mikey V. What? Sorry. What's the most dangerous thing you guys have ever done?

Starting point is 01:23:24 Oh, man. Are we gonna do like Like right away what comes the mind? I think the some of the most dangerous times of my life was just being involved in the cannabis industry But that wasn't like you can't really go into detail. No Yeah, I can't go into too much detail with that But and it also isn't like this this one event that I did that was super dangerous, right? Like, you know, a death-defying feats around. Are we thinking of physical danger?

Starting point is 01:23:50 Are we thinking of just like overall danger? I don't know, whatever. Being held up. Yeah. I don't know, whatever you want. Because that, I mean, during the time that I was starting up a cannabis club, I had to been, in my opinion, the most dangerous time I'd ever been because the laws just weren't All the way in place. I was I was operating in a very great area

Starting point is 01:24:12 I was also operating in a field that I wasn't that familiar with I was relatively new to Medical marijuana and so I didn't know what what would come down on me or what they could do to me and I had seen people around me that had gone to jail for stupid little things and being the guy that was kind of the face and running the clubs and carrying the product. They're target. Oh yeah, right. So it definitely, I mean, I'm sure a lot of my hair thinning and shit happened during that time.

Starting point is 01:24:42 I'm pretty sure I had a full fucking luxurious fucking head of hair before the cannabis industry. I went through that. I'd be like white. Definitely, those were some of the, maybe those were the scariest times for me. Maybe it's not the most dangerous. I'm trying to think of like something, oh, I got something for you that I did. This was probably the most stupidest thing and dangerous thing that we did. There used to be this strip from Oakdale to Turlock. So anybody that lives out there,

Starting point is 01:25:08 or shot out to the 209, and they might know this. It's happening out there. There is a, there's the Oakdale, there's the Oakdale Waterford Highway, which is just a two lane highway that goes between Oakdale, Waterford and Turlock. And we had friends, my cousin went to Turlock High, I went to Oakdale High.

Starting point is 01:25:27 So we used to travel this road a lot. And we used to party in Turlock some weekends, we used to party in Oakdale some weekends. I had my license at this time. So this is between the ages of 16 and 18. And over in the valley, those that live over there know that certain times of the year, we get the most ridiculous fog.

Starting point is 01:25:44 Like nothing that the Bay Area's ever seen. Like I don't know how familiar you guys are with this or not, but this fog is so thick you can't see the end of your fucking hood of your car, like that thick where it's crazy. A lot of people just won't drive in it or scare it off. If you grew up in it, like I did, you're kind of used to it, you know, and so, and it's funny because I haven't driven it in a long time and it was back there not that long ago and was in it and I've scared it death. I was like, oh shit, this is crazy. I'll scary this is for me. As a kid, the things that I was doing

Starting point is 01:26:09 that's what reminded me of this story. And we were caravanting four different cars. We're heading out to a party in Turlock. And it's one of those nights where the fog is literally to the end of the hood. You can't see the car in front of you, other than the lights. I can see the glowing lights a little bit, but that's it.

Starting point is 01:26:29 And the four of us, it's all my high school buddies, are fucking racing in the fog to this party. And it's about a 20 minute trip to 30 minute trip on this highway, and we're taking turns, wow, wow, wow, wow, passing each other on a two lane highway in the fog like this crazy. I'm such an old man now I wanna like yell at you. Oh dude, I think I wanna yell myself

Starting point is 01:26:51 and even what the fuck are you thinking? You could have died that night bro, what were you doing? Teenagers are such fucking idiots. Oh man, it was so stupid. I just reminded me of stuff. Oh man, I think back to that, what reminded me, I just recently went back to the valley

Starting point is 01:27:04 and see my family and it was foggy. And it wasn't nowhere near as foggy as that night because I still remember that night vividly. And I thought to myself, how scared I am right now, just a drive normal. You don't fucking tan a tomb, driving 20 miles an hour. It's because when you're young, you have zero concept of like you think like,

Starting point is 01:27:20 and I think it's gonna happen. You have zero and testosterone's flying. Yes, right. Which we all know testosterone is not the best decision-making hormone by far. No. When your testosterone's high, there's a lot of stupid shit you tend to wanna do.

Starting point is 01:27:33 And you're, I mean, I can't turn into a werewolf. And? Dude, you get in fights, you have risky sex and you drive your car like an idiot. And it's just, You wake up and you're closer gone. Yeah, and you're just a more. So I remember, so when I, so I drove horribly when I was a kid,

Starting point is 01:27:51 horribly, very, very dangerous. I did a lot of dangerous stuff, but one story in particular pops out. So I used to have a, the first car I ever bought with my own money was a Toyota 4-cylinder pickup truck, base model. And of course, I tried to fix it up, so I put an exhaust on it and put some stickers in the spoiler. Yeah, the four of those little forebanks. So I had this truck, I'm probably, like, I think I'm 16 years old, maybe 16 or 17.

Starting point is 01:28:18 So maybe 16 or 17 years old. Right around my stupid age. Yeah, and I used to, I used to race everybody. I don't care who you are. If you took off slightly fast at the stoplight, we're gonna race. It's just what I did everywhere. I don't care if I'm going down the street. I'm gonna race somebody. So I pull up next to this big truck. It was like a big Chevy. And the light, and he's next to me, and he revs a little bit. Now, I don't know if he was trying to race or if I'm just like trigger happy. So I hear him rev a little bit, light turns green

Starting point is 01:28:49 and I burn out and I take off and I don't even think he was racing me. I take off and then I go in front of him and I tap my brakes a little bit because that's what we used to do. You race, you beat someone, you go in front and you tap your brakes, let him know. Hey, I beat you.

Starting point is 01:29:04 So this fucking dude guns it and starts to come around me. So I'm like, oh, now he really wants a race. So then I gun it. And so we're both going down Santa Teresa, hell of fast. Well, he pulls up next to me because he had a bigger truck. He pulls up next to me and I'm laughing my ass off and I'm flipping them off like, yeah, let's fucking race. I'm thinking I'm having a great time.

Starting point is 01:29:24 I look over and I'm not exaggerating. It's the biggest motherfucker I've ever seen in my entire life. Ever. Never have I seen a huge, never have I remember I was in the lifting weights. I had never seen a human this big in my life. He sticks his arm out of his window and he's got his fist and he's yelling. I mean all I notice was his arm and it was massive. He had this massive, veiny, crazy looking muscular arm and I'm looking over at him and he's fucking yelling and spit is coming out of his mouth because he's still pissed off. So I'm looking at him and I'm like, oh shit, what the fuck this guy's fucking huge. So I'm like, I'm not gonna stop or slow down. I'm gonna keep fucking going.

Starting point is 01:30:05 So now I'm still taking off. He's still coming after me. He's swerving into me, trying to fuck with me. And I'm yelling through my window like, hey man, fucking chill out. That's why I keep selling them. Chill out, man, chill out, I'm doing it, chill out. So I'm, we're driving and then the light in front of me's red

Starting point is 01:30:19 and there's cars stopped at the stop line. Oh, good. So now I'm like, and my only way to get out would have been to go right, but he's on my right. And so I have nowhere to go. So I'm like, oh, fuck. So I had, luckily I had the, you know, the vision of not pulling directly up to the car

Starting point is 01:30:38 in front of me to give myself some space. So I pull, I stop and I give myself about, I don't know, three car links in front of me. He stops right next to me, gets out of his car, so now I'm like, oh shit. So I'm telling him, hey man, don't fucking, like, just chill. He grabs my rear view, my side window or whatever,

Starting point is 01:31:01 and he tries to rip it off and it kind of breaks off to the side. Oh really? Yeah, so I back my car up and he tries to rip it off and it kind of breaks off to the side. Oh really? Yeah, so I back my car up and he's in front of my car and I tell him like, I'll run you over, dude. Now, I'm literally think because he's a man, as he gets out, he's a big dude. He's like six foot something. Probably, and I'm not exaggerating high 200s, so this guy's fucking massive. And I'm revving my engine. I'm like, hey man, I don't want no trouble. I don't want no trouble. And he's yelling at me As I remember what he looked like, and if I ever encountered that motherfucker, we're gonna have a nice conversation.

Starting point is 01:31:25 You could ever race again. No, I'm pretty sure that's what I'm talking about. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy.

Starting point is 01:31:34 I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy.

Starting point is 01:31:42 I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a good guy. I'm not gonna be a funny? As I remember what he looked like, and if I ever encounter that motherfucker, we're gonna have a nice conversation. You could ever race again? No, I'm pretty sure. You're not that big anymore. There's no way that for the last,

Starting point is 01:31:53 there's no way in hell for the last 22 years. He's maintained that size with the level of drugs he was taking. I'm pretty sure he's weak and shot now. Did I ever share the tractor story on this show? I'd never share that with you guys. Oh, fuck dude, okay, listen to this. This was probably the most dangerous

Starting point is 01:32:11 or scary time too for me. So I'm working the dairy, right? So at this time I am 15 or 16. I think I have my license by now. You're just milking. You're pumping. That's right. I'm a bovine mammary extraction technician. So I'm at the dairy and it's really it's really early on in the job. Like I've only had this

Starting point is 01:32:32 job. I worked there for three years and I think I'm only there. I'm only been there for like a month or so. And he and my boss comes up to me and he says, you know, hey, would you like to fertilize the pasture and stuff? And I'm like, sure. I'll take a shit. He's like, have you ever driven a tractor before? And I'm like, no, I'm never driven a tractor. He's like, that's all right. I'll teach you.

Starting point is 01:32:51 So we head up to where the tractors are at. And what I'm doing, it's wood ash. That's what you use to fertilize all the fields. And so it's a ton of it, right? And you've got one tractor that's the loader, that scoops it up, and then he's filling it in the back of this other big tractor that's pulling it all, and then that's the one you take over the grass

Starting point is 01:33:11 and then you fertilize with. And he's teaching me how to use the loader, and he's like, oh, this does this, this does that, and this how you get all out. He's all, and then after you load this thing up, he's all, when you drive this tractor, he's like, the brakes don't work on this, so you just gotta keep it in a low gear.

Starting point is 01:33:28 Now mind you, I'm on the top of this hill. It's on the crown of this hill, and it's overseeing 100 acres, and it's very, very top of it, and all the grass is down below, and you go down this hill, and at the bottom of the hill, there's a canal, and there's the canal to the left, and the canal right, and there's this, it's a the hill, there's a canal and there's the canal

Starting point is 01:33:45 to the left and the canal, right? And there's this, it's a nice pathway. It's a good 10, 15 feet wide. So plenty wide for the trailer or tractor to drive through there. And at this, this is the beginning of the 100 acres. So we have a telephone pole that is cemented about six to eight feet in the ground

Starting point is 01:34:02 that is the tie-off for all the bob wire. So it's the main hub right there, and that's right at the bottom of the hill. So I load up, I learn how to use a tractor, I'm having a good old time, love this. Load it up, there's about two tons worth of wood ash that's behind this other tractor. So I get on it, and if you've ever driven a tractor

Starting point is 01:34:21 and been in granny gear before, granny gear really moves about as fast as like a 90 year old fucking grandma would. Super slow. Oh, I mean, it's like, I mean, inches, right? And so I get it all going and he's told me, you know, keep it in the low gear. Keep it in the low gear. He says, keep it in the low gear. And so I put it in the lowest gear possible and I realized, okay, at this rate, it's going to take me four hours just to get to the bottom of the hill. It's literally that slow. So I pump it in a little bit higher gear,

Starting point is 01:34:45 and it's a little bit faster than I get it to like first or second gear. Now I'm like, I'm not going fast, I was very slow, but I'm at least moving. I'm like walking speed. I get over the crown and I start to come down. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna put it into a higher gear. Well, I pull it in a neutral,

Starting point is 01:35:01 go into a one more gear up, and the tractor had already caught too much speed for that gear. So you can, you know what that sounds like when you're trying to, it's like, yeah, it's kicking me out of the first gear and it won't let me get into it because the tractor's already starting to pick speed up.

Starting point is 01:35:18 And as a kid who's fucking scared to death, all I keep doing is keep forcing you to try to, instead of going up to a higher gear and just getting the thing to at least stay at the speed it's at right now, I'm trying to force it. Meanwhile, you're in neutral. Yes, meanwhile, I'm in neutral at the top

Starting point is 01:35:32 of this hill heading down and it's gaining speed. And it's gaining so much speed that I probably spent another few seconds trying to get it in that higher gear. Realize I'm fucked, it's not gonna get because this thing is now starting, I've got two ton of wood ash behind me. that's fucking pushing this trailer tractor down this hill. And I'm getting so much speed now that the front tires are fucking bouncing. And I'm trying to steer,

Starting point is 01:35:52 I'm trying to steer it with two hands. And I crank it as hard as I can because and I look down below me and I'm heading for this, you know, 10 to 15 foot wide trail that goes between a canal on both sides and the telephone pole right to the left of it And I'm steering to the right and then the the wheels catch and I have gank to the right and I go to the left And I'm going back and forth on its hill and it's like one minute I'm going to the canal on this side that I'm going to the canal this side and meanwhile I'm just gaining speed all the way down I go through that telephone pole like it's fucking a toothpick Doesn't even slow me down

Starting point is 01:36:23 Shatters it go go through it, and I go, pfft, are you just praying? Oh, dude, I'm like, I'm scared to death, and I go shooting up, land this thing into the fucking canal, everyone, I don't know how I got unscathed because I was flying, and it was just happened to be the way the canal was shaped,

Starting point is 01:36:41 and the tractor was, and the little bit of water that was in there, it was about four or five feet of water that was still in the canal. And I hit that, would Ash come flying over the top of me, so I'm covered in black soot. And I'm scared to death, here comes the boss running down the hill of screaming. Ah!

Starting point is 01:36:58 And I'm just like, my heart is out of my chest at this point, scared to death. I was totally fine, it didn't get hurt, but fuck, that was probably one of the most dangerous, scariest moments of my life at this point, scared of death. I was totally fine, it didn't get hurt, but flocked, that was probably one of the most dangerous, scariest moments of my life, for sure. Yeah, I've had enough time to think, but I don't know if it'll top any of those. It's just like more stupid shit with a car.

Starting point is 01:37:16 I had a Jeep Cherokee that was all lifted, and I brought it with me out to Chicago for, I don't know if it was my first or second year, I think, that I was out there. And like during the snow, like during the winter, there was, I mean, there was, we get a ton of snow some years. And this time it was like just really, really thick.

Starting point is 01:37:39 And we got bored. And of course, you know, me being there with a bunch of my buddies from the football team, everybody's off campus, we course, you know me being there with a bunch of my buddies from the football team Everybody's off campus. We thought, you know, let's let's fucking four by four. Let's let's have fun with this and let's like You know like tool around a little bit and so I One of my friends thought it'd be a funny idea to basically tie a rope to the back of the Jeep and then I would I would pull them like they're like snowboarding Oh, yeah, we did this so yeah, so we would do that and so I'm I'm driving

Starting point is 01:38:12 I'm whipping these guys around and they're flying off these embankments and everything we're having a good old time and it's fun and So I just I just we're really getting into it talking shit to each other trying to see how far we could You know launch some of these guys. There's a sim bank mitt that kind of went really high and went over over it You could get to the football field and so I Was going to do like another one of these turns and like kind of spin and then try and give him a real you know Whiplash effect and give him to like fly and then try and give him a real whip lash effect and give him to fly. Then somebody had been coming towards me. A car was coming.

Starting point is 01:38:50 As this, I was just about to make that move and I saw it last second and then I turned and I tried to correct it. Half of it spun towards the car coming towards me. Guys, you whipped him in front of the car. So he whipped like real close to the car. He flew off to one side and then I was able to correct the Jeep, but then I flew off the embankment. So I went up the embankment and jumped like over and landed like on the other side. And we all just like stopped it like in our tracks and we're just like,

Starting point is 01:39:22 holy shit that that just happened. Like I literally caught like serious air. It's crazy, some of these dangerous moments that are all coming to my head right now, all of them I was unscathed, I was lucky. Yeah, we made it out totally fine. Like I remember thinking after my car. What the fuck was I thinking?

Starting point is 01:39:38 Dude, so here's something this has nothing to do with the car. So when I was younger, I got really into, as many people know, I got really into working out, building muscle and a lot of stuff, and I got really into supplements and the chemistry of supplements and how they affect the body. And at this time, I'm probably, again,

Starting point is 01:39:58 I'm probably 17 years old, maybe 18 years old, and a Fedra is not only is it fully legal, but it's the top selling like hardcore fat burner you can buy. Now for people that don't know, a fedra is a methamphetamine. It's a, and they used to sell the herbal form of it, ma huang, which is a Chinese herb that contains.

Starting point is 01:40:19 Mahuang. Exactly. Contains a fedra, alkaloids in it. And supplements would typically give you one serving would have 25 milligrams of a fedra alkaloids. I believe, don't quote me on this, but I believe that was like the max dose that is. That is. It is 25 milligrams is what they say

Starting point is 01:40:39 is the max dose you can do. Okay, then you take it one time. Right. Not a day because then they didn't, you would end up taking like four servings, right? So those 25 milligrams of a fedra was what they said that you took. Then you combine that with a hundred milligrams of aspirin, and then you combine it with 200 milligrams of caffeine.

Starting point is 01:40:55 It was the caffeine aspirin, a fedra stack. And what aspirin did is aspirin prolonged the half life of the the affedra. So it just made it last longer. I thought I had some due here blood. Well, I know it thinned your blood into other things, but the reason why you took it with the affedra was it would prolong the effect on your body. So you water lasting.

Starting point is 01:41:19 So it's longer lasting. So this was like the go-to pre-workout, like I telling you right now if you get your hands on and I don't recommend this But if you ever tried a fedra cap caffeine and aspirin first off you need to be have a strong heart to do this If I did it now I'd have problems You're not recommending this but as a kid I take this and I'd be on fire I'd work out super hard and it was great and lots of supplements contained it ultimate orange was one Dan to cane sold that rip force by twin lab super hard and it was great and lots of supplements contained it, ultimate orange was one, Dan Tukaine sold that, rip force by twin lab contained it, whatever. Now I being the

Starting point is 01:41:52 super nerd that I am, learned about the effects of these things and I bought them all individually. I bought a fedra, I bought aspirin, I bought caffeine, and then I learned about the aspirin, I bought caffeine. And then I learned about the different receptors that these things activate in the body. And then I learned that, oh wow, I can combine these with Yo-Himbee, which is another stimulant based herb. And Yo-Himbee will actually change my body's internal thermostat. So I guess the way I thought it worked was, if Fedra caffeine and aspirin raised your core temperature,

Starting point is 01:42:30 that was what thermogenic was about it, but then you have this thermostat that limits how high it can go. Yohimbi changes the thermostat, so now you get a higher thermostat. Now, in reality, what I was doing is I was just throwing a bunch of stimulants together. So I buy, I got a Fedra aspirin caffeine.

Starting point is 01:42:45 I don't know how much of each I took, but I know it was more than they recommend. And I took a full on like maximum dose of Yohip-B. So now I combine all these three things and I may have even added another stimulant, but I remember those four for sure. So I take all these supplements and I head off to the gym. Actually, I know I was in 18 yet because I I head off to the gym. Actually, I know I was in 18 yet because I was working out at the YMCA, so I must have been 16. So I go to the YMCA, combining all these supplements that I had read about

Starting point is 01:43:14 and I had formulated in my head like this can be fucking awesome. Go to the gym and I work out like a maniac, like an asshole, like I'm literally on drugs and I'm hitting everything and I'm hitting everything hard And I'm in there forever and I'm working out for I don't know how many hours I worked out But it was a long time that I worked out in the gym to the point like way longer than I should have right It's probably like three hours of working out get on my bike. I ride home as I'm riding home every I don't know a Couple minutes. I feel my heart skip a beat like,

Starting point is 01:43:46 you know, and by that, at this point, I never felt that. I never felt like, yeah, so I'm like, what the fuck, what's going on here, this is weird. So I get home and my heart is, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, and I'm like, this is fuck, I'm whacked out of my mind. You're people's, I'm like, maybe if I eat something, so I make myself a sandwich, I eat a sandwich,

Starting point is 01:44:06 and I'm feeling nauseous now. Heart's doing like this thing. And what I don't realize, I'm having an anxiety attack, basically, right? But I don't know what that was. So I eat more food, still feeling shitty, drink a weight gainer, oh fuck, I think I'm gonna throw up, I go upstairs on my room, and I lay down,

Starting point is 01:44:21 and I'll never forget this, I lay down in my bed, and I'm laying back, and I'm like, I need to take a nap, like I need to go to sleep to make this feel better. There's no way in hell, I'll never forget this. I lay down in my bed and I'm laying back and I'm like, I need to take a nap. Like I need to go to sleep to make this feel better. There's no way in hell I'm gonna fall asleep. No. So I'm laying there with my eyes open, heart beating like crazy and I make a deal with God. Yeah. I'm starting to make a deal with God. I'm laying there and I'm like, you know, because at this point, which you know it's bad if the atheist guys do in that right? You know, because at this point, which you know, it's bad if the atheist guys do in that right? Bro, which you got to know, man, I haven't been promoting you. I'm getting, blah.

Starting point is 01:44:49 Oh, I'm hedging my best. Yeah. As you need to know, that up until this point, one of the major battles between me and my mom was supplements. She used to tell me like, you're going to kill yourself. These things are dangerous. Of course, I think I know more than she does. I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:45:03 Don't worry about it. So I would take these supplements and sometimes I hide them and she even know right so I'm laying there I'm making like a deal with God like please don't let because my heart now skipping beats fucking beating fast I'm sweating hands are cold now. I'm nervous on top of it Which is probably making it worse and I'm like please God don't let my mom find me like this because they're gonna Fucking know that I did this to myself and I laid there and I was there All night I didn't sleep at all. I did the same thing and it finally wore off and I never combined those supplements again That why I mean it why do people I people one or two why we're so passionate about the whole anti-supplement thing

Starting point is 01:45:38 I think we have I think we took a lot of right right I think we all we all did this as kids trying to get the competitive edge of the city things many things we took many things for a football game once i was dying dude like i was on fire that was making food man i was making every tackle and then my mouth was like of the amount yeah caught mouth foam in and then i was just oh my god i had to like pass through i i remember we used to mean we've talked about the speed stacks that were made by've talked about the speed stacks that were made by American bodybuilding.

Starting point is 01:46:06 And speed stacks had the aspirin caffeine and a fedra in there. They didn't have the aspirin, but they had the a fedra and the caffeine. No, they did. It wasn't called aspirin. It was called white willow bark. Oh, oh.

Starting point is 01:46:17 It was white willow bark was in there because if you notice cell aspirin, you have to remember, I bought aspirin. No, shit, that I did not know. I mean, fucking, I drink those, the story you just told is like spot on to exactly what happened to me. And I remember this day, I'll never forget it either.

Starting point is 01:46:34 The same thing, I didn't sleep that whole next day after that, and that was four speed stacks and six high-joxy cuts. So I had drank four speed stacks over the course of the day. It was a closeout with Mark. And I had taken six high-joksy cuts, pills. And each one of those are like doses, dude. That was, it was insane.

Starting point is 01:46:53 And I remember laying in bed at three o'clock in the morning and my hands trembling and shaking and just couldn't sleep. To the point where at about four o'clock I got up, showered, went back to work at five o'clock and worked the next day. I crashed about one or two o'clock in the afternoon and then fucking slept for 20 hours straight after that, but it was, it was scary.

Starting point is 01:47:12 I remember being scared, like literally laying in my bed, like scared to death, like, oh shit, I pushed the limits. I never felt that wrong. And this is the thing now that I'm a parent when I think of the shit. And I was a cautious kid. I was, I wasn't like a super, I wasn't a daredevil.

Starting point is 01:47:25 I know I wasn't as, you know, daredevil as you guys was believing. I know I was, I was very cautious compared to my friends and I still did shit. That was fucked up, especially as a teenager and as a parent, man, it just makes me freak me out. I just like smashed my way through a lot of things. So there's plenty of those stories, but that's boring. Exactly. So check this out. It's January. You can actually get a workout programmed by MindPump for free.

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