Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 680: Dr. Zach Bush on How to Restore Gut Health

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. All right, in this episode of Mind Pump, I got the opportunity to interview a very intelligent individual, Dr. Zach Bush. He's a triple board certified physician, which for those of you in medicine, just how rare that is. He's an expert on leaky gut and on digestion.

Starting point is 00:00:35 We have a great conversation in this episode about some of the things that may be causing issues with your gut and why that's a big deal and what you can do about it. Also, this month we are running a promotion. Inroll. You say?

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Starting point is 00:01:52 Here I am interviewing the very intelligent Dr. Zach Bush Our audience quite a few of them came to our show to listen to us about you know building muscle burning body fat to listen to us about building muscle burning body fat, but we do talk a lot about the wellness aspect of it. And in particular, in the whole muscle building fat burning world, nobody pays attention to that and the products that people are advertised and given and that take for the workouts and stuff. It's just horrible for health and particular gut health.

Starting point is 00:02:24 And like I was saying, I started using restore because it was recommended to me by Dr. Mccola when we had interviewed him and profound benefits with my own personal gut health. It's pretty amazing, pretty amazing stuff. So before we get into that, like if you want to mind telling our audience a little bit about your background like how you started and what got you to

Starting point is 00:02:49 where you're at now. Yeah that's a very non-linear pathway as I suppose from a separate way life is but I started in medical school just planning to be a family medicine doc and really know what I was getting into and then discovered research along the way and got really passionate about kind of being a part of developing and discovering stuff we hadn't known yet. And so it kind of became a passion of mine. And so I finished medical school with some research in the brain and how it responds to our hormones and modulates our mood and leads to mood disorders. And during that time, decided I was going to probably pursue the hormone medicine, which

Starting point is 00:03:31 is endocrinology, as a long-term specialty. So I came out to the University of Virginia and did a three-year residency in internal medicine, which is kind of the foundation of all adult medicine. So you helped run everything from the bone marrow transplant, you didn't cancer center all the way to, you know, the acute cardiac heart stuff. To the general medicine ward, we see a lot of pneumonia and infectious disease and complications of diabetes and the like. And so that was kind of the journey overall.

Starting point is 00:04:01 And then once I finished my subspecialty and internal medicine, I did a teaching year at the University of Virginia and spent a year teaching medical school students and residents kind of having to go about pursuing that pathway of academic medicine and really pursuit of Western medicine, alpathic, very pharmaceutical-minded setting, and then moved on to endocrinology and metabolism for a few years, and did research in cancer and tumor genesis, and how tumors form, and how they kill themselves, and developed some chemotherapy from vitamin A compounds

Starting point is 00:04:37 that I was working with, the University of Virginia. And during that time, I was starting to realize that nutrition was starting to come out in the literature as perhaps more powerful than any drug we'd come up with in a cancer realm. So, it started to really dive into nutrition for the first time in a 17-year career of pursuit of medicine. And really was dumbfounded what I was seeing out of the laboratory. Microscope as to kind of how things would change if it just changed the nutrient environment around the cells and everything else.

Starting point is 00:05:07 So got into nutrition big and left academia in 2010 to start a nutrition center for a reversing chronic disease and that became Revelation Health Center and that was in Virginia. And I spent a couple of years there really intensively teaching and treating patients with intense medical and nutritional regimens for chronic disease and found that it was a pretty remarkable subset of these that no matter how healthy the food we fed them, they were actually getting worse not better.

Starting point is 00:05:37 And we find this a lot in the elite athletes as well as the chronic lay-el is that man. Here you are eating like top 1% of the world, and you've got massive amount of nutrient availability, you have supplementation coming out of the wazoo, and there's just so much inflammation and distress, and the vast majority of that manifest in the gut and in the neurologic system. And so it can be everything from kind of irritable bowel,

Starting point is 00:05:59 syndrome, loss of gassiness, it can be chronic kidney stress. A lot of bodybuilders have worked with over time, it's got chronic kidney issues going on in the like. So that kind of kept pushing me down the avenue of what is the secret then, if it's not nutrition, if it's not loading the body with nutrients, what's the magic or what's the finding health? And that avenue took us down this extraordinary story away from human health and right into the bacteria and the fungi.

Starting point is 00:06:31 It turns out that bacteria and fungi seem to be regulating far more than the actual human system does to regulate our genomics, what genes turn on, which proteins we build in our body, what kind of health we are able to manifest. And so that journey took us into the last seven years of my life, so we get into that further with the bacterial journey, if you want. Yeah, so let's take a step back for a second. So you had people who would come to you who were sick, whether it be what chronic disease,

Starting point is 00:07:03 like diabetes, for example, and you would change their diets completely, and what you're saying is there was a large subset that just wouldn't improve at all. Yeah, there was a subset that would immediately improve and get a better and it would be a celebration. There was then a contingent, maybe third that would start to get a little bit better,

Starting point is 00:07:21 but then plateau and never reach any sort of real health goal. And then there was a third that seemed to actually be getting worse symptomatically rather than better. And that was that was the challenge that really drove me to ask the questions that let us stand our pathway to the bacteria. This category of people that were really being you know compliant. And you see this a lot of doctors where we tell our patients to do something, they go home and do it and they come back and they say it didn't work. So our immediate assumption is they didn't do what we asked them to do. So we blame them.

Starting point is 00:07:51 We act like they're somehow not doing enough. They're not working hard enough to get this thing to work or whatever it is. Anyway, I started to trust my patients and come to realize, they're doing exactly what I'm asking them to and they're getting worse. What can that be? At this point, you started identifying that it had to do with the bacteria that was in their gut or that makes up their microbiome.

Starting point is 00:08:17 Well, at this point, we started asking questions about, maybe there's a problem with the food. Maybe there's something wrong in the plants as there's something about kale that we're growing today that's causing people to blow and have all these inflammatory reactions to one of the powerful super foods on the planet. And I was doing a lot of kale juicing and all this stuff and seeing patients inflammation markers go up, not down.

Starting point is 00:08:38 And that really let us down the question of, well, what's in the plants? Which of course, let us to the next question of what's in the soil. And it was during that journey in the soil science that I discovered molecule for myself. It's certainly an old molecule. It's been seen many times in human history, but it's kind of a young coal. It's basically fossil soil that's been in the ground

Starting point is 00:09:01 for about 50 million years. And it's largely composed of these carbon snowflake molecules, each one a little bit different than the next. And just by coincidence, that family of molecules have been heckled a lot like the chemotherapy I've been working with. And so it's an aha moment that, wow, we've been looking to medicine or rather looking to our plants for medicine for thousands of years. What if we start looking to our plants for medicine for thousands of years, what if we start looking

Starting point is 00:09:25 to the soil. And so what we found was that it was the bacteria and the fungi in the soil that was making this extraordinary family and molecules. And that started to help close the loop on how come the entire population has gotten so flippin' sick. I mean, it's just, you can't find a kid now that doesn't have a diagnosis. 46% of our children under the age of 12 have a chronic disease. And so it's just such a sick population.

Starting point is 00:09:50 All of us have some sort of thing, whether it's migraines and chronic kidney issues, hypertension, chronic pain, chronic fatigue, porcelain quality, anxiety, major depression. You think it's just become so prevalent in the society. And when you start to look at this secret of the bacteria, you start to realize, wow, we've really done the damage by losing the bacterial biome. And we've done that largely through antibiotic use, our food crops, the main antibiotic on the planet is this thing called glyphsate. Oh, roundup.

Starting point is 00:10:21 Roundup. Roundup. Oh yeah, right. And I'll just about to ask you that because I know how prevalent the use of glyphosates are in worldwide crops, but especially here in the U.S. and it is true that glyphosates and correct me if I'm wrong, that glyphosates don't necessarily interact with human cells. I mean, you consume and it comes right out. But the pathway by which glyphosate's work,

Starting point is 00:10:50 I believe is called the shikamadi, if I'm not mistaken, pathway, is that's present in bacteria as well, that particular pathway. So we're damaging, okay, so by spraying these all over the soil, we're damaging the bacteria that you're saying is so important in the formation of things that are important for the health of our plants and then ourselves. Is that play one of the biggest roles?

Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, so the antibiotic in fact, the way it kills bacteria and fungi and plants, and the reason it's such a potent herbicide or we kill or plant killer, is that it blocks that shikamate pathway that you mentioned there. And that's an enzyme pathway that makes the proteins that are essential for the human body to function. And some of those essential amino acids, alanine, triptophan, phenol, hymenoline, triptophan tyrosine. These guys are made by the shikamate pathway.

Starting point is 00:11:41 And those are much like the alphabet. We've got 26 letters in English alphabet that allows us to spell 200,000 words. Same way, we've got 26th, I mean, we have the building blocks that help us build 200,000 proteins. And the vowels, if you will, well, the most critical eight of those 26 letters

Starting point is 00:12:01 are the essential amino acids. Those are ones that human body is not capable of making on its own. And those are made to the Shikame pathway. And so we've now sprayed a chemical rate of 2 billion kilograms or 4.5 billion pounds a year into our soils. And it killed the ability of the soil and the plants to make the essential amino acids. So we're missing the bowels in our alphabet to build a healthy human body.

Starting point is 00:12:27 And so we're literally truncating the ability to put those pieces together to create a fluent alphabet, to create a fluent vocabulary of proteins and superstructure of the body. And this is why we've seen such a massive collapse of the human system. But it's also compounded by the fact that while it's diminishing the ability of bacteria to make those essential amino acids, those medicinals of the food, it's also killing the

Starting point is 00:12:56 bacteria. So, we're losing this massive ecosystem so quickly now. I don't fear that we've probably had a massive extinction on a lot of species that will never know existed and will never recover on the planet. So we've been so cavalier with the antibiotic use not just in our crops with glyphosate, but also in our meat crops. So you take a look at the cattle industry, but the poor industry and then of course probably the granddaddy of all of the pork industry and then, of course, probably the granddaddy of malls, the chicken industry. And so the poultry industry, pork and cows,

Starting point is 00:13:30 they're using about four times more antibiotic than all the humans combined. And so we're just pumping in enormous amount of antibiotics and those animals in a very short lifespan, one and 1 1 and 1 half years, sort of a hour of pig. And for the chicken, you're looking at just six weeks being pounded or always in a box. So just an extraordinary amount of these chemicals and drugs and our environment have led to this huge collapse, the ecosystem, which means that our soil and plants

Starting point is 00:13:57 no longer have these complex carbon-based snowflakes that we discovered in 2012. And that's starting to look like the big problem. So you got a problem, so you can't deliver nutrients to the plants. You got problems that are killing the back to themselves. Now we have a huge problem, because our soils, plants, and our intestinal lining itself is not being reinforced by these complex carbon molecules

Starting point is 00:14:22 that do cell cell signaling or cell communication across the human system. Explain that for a second. When you say cell cell communication and how this impacts the human body in particular of the gut, why is that important that cell to cell communication and what happens when we lose that? Is that the cause of some of the inflammation that we're getting in our gut? It's exactly right. Yeah. So a couple things are happening simultaneously. happens when we lose that? Is that the cause of some of the inflammation that we're getting in our gut?

Starting point is 00:14:45 Exactly. Yeah. So a couple things are happening simultaneously. When you lose communication, you lose the ability to repair the cell. So cellular repair and all of our mechanisms to kill that cell if it in case it becomes these, someone like a cancer cell or something like that. As we start to lose the cell cell communication, we lose the kind of consciousness of the single cell and it starts either replicating inappropriately as you've seen cancer or it just hits stagnant

Starting point is 00:15:14 and it's not doing it cellular repair. So we get this kind of old pattern of cells that are just not turning over or turning over too slowly or are turning into pre-cancerous cells or cancer cells. So that is largely happening to this breakdown in communication that's happening across the system. One of the important things that communication does at the cellular level is it's turning on your DNA to make proteins. And what we're seeing is a sluggish protein synthesis from the cells, which means that as

Starting point is 00:15:45 they're damaged by chemicals like ground up, in fact, Monsanto has been saying for a long time that it doesn't directly hurt human cells. But we're actually showing the opposite in our lab, we're showing it to get direct ground up effect on the human gut, and it falls apart very quickly. It's damaging the velcro between the cells. And so this huge coherent membrane suddenly collapses. And as that collapses, you get overwhelming introduction of material for your gut lining into your immune system,

Starting point is 00:16:18 which sits right behind the gut. That's fascinating because we recently had a guest on our show who explained how when you eat something it's not inside your body until it goes through your, until your body basically absorbs it until it gets to the right part your gut is permeable and you absorb the right nutrients or whatever but if that permeability is thrown off, you're basically exposing your body to whatever toxins or chemicals or whatever's in the food. Even things that may not have necessarily be bad for you like complex proteins, but they may be getting absorbed at the wrong parts of the body.

Starting point is 00:17:00 And so you develop immune reactions and all kinds of crazy things start to happen. And this can happen all the way up to the blood brain barrier if I'm not mistaken. Is this correct? Yeah, you're spun on there. Yeah, you can imagine this, the surface area of your gut starts with your nose and sinuses and it goes all the way to the rectum there. So you got your esophagus, your stomach, your small intestines, large intestines, all the way down to the colon, end of the colon there.

Starting point is 00:17:29 And so you've got that huge surface area, which measures somewhere around two tennis cords in the surface area, is this massive membrane made up of over-trowling cells that are all tied together by these tiny little velcro proteins. And when we're lacking the bacteria, we don't make that velcro protein effectively. tied together by these tiny little Velcro proteins. And when we're lacking the bacteria, we don't make that Velcro protein effectively. And so we're sluggish to respond to this direct injury to the Velcro,

Starting point is 00:17:53 and so that falls apart. And as soon as the gut lining starts to fall apart, like you say, you get a castating effect across the system where the kidney tube will stop clearing toxins and have a hard time holding on to proteins. You start to have protein late. You have a direct injury to that blood brain barrier. So everything in the bloodstream starts to overwhelm the neurologic system. You can get brain fog.

Starting point is 00:18:14 You can get some porcelain quality, porcelain sex drive, you know, the whole work. And so that's kind of the pattern that we're seeing clinically those of it. Like the leading causes of complaints and physicians' offices these days. And it looks to be all coming from this one phenomenon of losing our barrier systems, losing these healthy boundaries from the outside world into our immune system, from our bloodstream, into our brain, from our blood into the kidney tubules. All these barrier systems are collapsing under the pressure at the roundup. In the recent past, I'd say probably the last maybe 15 years or so, you would hear, you

Starting point is 00:18:51 know, quote, unquote, wellness experts talk about this and talk about things like, you know, leaky guts syndrome. That was a term that was thrown around a while and it was laughed at. And it seems like science is starting to prove some of these things to be true. Now when you have someone like yourself who you're a triple board certified physician, you have a science background, so you're not just some wellness blogger. And now you're talking about some of the dangers of products like chemicals like glyphosate. Are you getting pushback? Like are theyate, are you getting pushback? Like, are they saying,

Starting point is 00:19:26 are you getting letters and stuff to stop talking about the stuff? Because you're not talking about tiny companies. These are massive organizations that control or tied to the entire food supply. Yeah, and that's a very powerful group politically for sure. And, you know, the answers we're not getting direct communication from them, I think that there's concern, you know, to validate us by addressing us.

Starting point is 00:19:54 So right now we're getting the ignores syndrome here, but, you know, we're getting the word out broadly now. So, I think they're always calculating not just Monsanto, but it's every chemical company in the world now makes life a state. And so Monsanto was the company that kind of patented roundup and took it for 30 years, but then 2007 it came off patent. And now all five of the big chemical companies in the US and you know actually the vast majority of life state made on the marketplace today is made in China.

Starting point is 00:20:25 And so we have chemical companies all over the world that are competing for that industry. I think they feel a little bit untouchable at this point. So I don't think they're terribly concerned about truth. We've actually had a lot of truth about the dangers that round up for many years and it hasn't affected public opinion yet. But I think that my hope is that programs like yours, this

Starting point is 00:20:47 is a pretty big game shift for bloggers and podcasters across the world from every different mindset and specialty, starting to talk about probably the single biggest chemical problem we have on the planet, that's what's going to change the system, not one doctor, not one science group, but also the consumer demanding that they find out what the heck is in our food. We're one of the few developed countries that haven't passed legislation to demand that we start labeling our food. No, I think a lot of, you know, it's clear, it's pretty obvious that we're in the middle of a health epidemic, but I think

Starting point is 00:21:31 mistakenly people believe it started with the obesity epidemic, which you know right around the 70s I'd say 60 maybe 70s 80s or we started to see that you know the obesity epidemic start to take off however farming practices fundamentally changed much way before that. I think probably, when did they start using nitrates and soils, and were we able to strip the soil? Was that 1940s? Yeah, right after World War II, yeah, we started going to the petroleum-based compound

Starting point is 00:21:57 and some of these started using oil and fossil fuels as a source for nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus to get it. It actually became known as the green revolution in the 1950s and 60s. Because they found out that they're spraying all this nitrogen and phosphorus from oil onto our crops. And everything turned green. We suddenly have, like, these burdened fields that had just a decade, previous been completely dead.

Starting point is 00:22:22 You remember the dust-pull stories that came out in 1930s and everything, and we had completely killed the top so early in the United States to pour performing practice through the early 1900s and that led to the dust bowl. And then instead of recovering that with good soil practice, we just started spraying these simple resources. The nitrogen phosphorus and potassium on there, and we got green crops, but what

Starting point is 00:22:45 we were growing is nutrient density. As you can imagine, you know, good soil would have manganese and selenium, and all the millions of trace minerals in there that would be fueling the bacteria and the fungi and the soil. That would feed that to the plants and plants would then request those nutrients and feed them to the bacteria of our gut, and then those bacteria would in turn liberate those nutrients and feed them to our systems that we could build, you know, strong bones, strong muscles, strong mind. And that whole system started to collapse as we started to increasingly depend on these

Starting point is 00:23:19 chemical farming practices. Obviously, what we got out of that was a bunch of weak plants. You don't feed your body well, your immune system goes weak. Same thing with that plant. And so we started developing all these diseases for the plant. But the pests would come in, they'd develop viruses, they would develop fungi problems, they'd have all these invasive issues going on. And then of course the weeds would start to move in, because these were crops and instead of saying wow we should really fundamentally pick this problem we just turned to the chemical conveyance again they said no problem we'll we'll give you more pesticide

Starting point is 00:23:53 chemicals more herbicide chemicals and we'll keep keep things at bay for you and so we've been in a chemical warfare state not just with Western medicine against the human body but in Western agriculture, we've been in, you know, for 80 years now fighting the good fight against nature against, you know, a state ecosystem. Now, you know, hearing that the plant, that the soil and the plants are not as nutrient dense and hearing about how, you know, glyphosates, you know, reduce the production or prevent the production of key amino acids from either bacteria and the plants themselves.

Starting point is 00:24:29 Can someone just take nutrient supplements and amino acids and correct that or is it going much deeper than that? Yeah, it's going quite a bit deeper than that. So, certainly getting amino acids into the food chain is very important piece and it's that supplementation that can be helpful. But one interesting thing about supplementation is when you start taking single amino acids, you can just quickly overwhelm the bacterial system that's supposed to be processing those amino acids.

Starting point is 00:24:58 And so I think that it's really tricky to balance an amino acid intake if you have inadequate protein. And we see, or I'm sorry, inadequate bacteria to handle that protein. So we see this all the time in the kind of elite athlete bodybuilder fitness environment where you have huge amounts of urinal vows in room and gas and bloating and chronic loose tools versus constipation, all this stuff going on. And it's largely because we're forcing huge amounts of protein and amino acids into an environment that's inherently devoid of a lot of the bacteria that are necessary to process that intense data or that intense nutrient source.

Starting point is 00:25:40 And so I think what we see again and again when you add back in these carbon molecules made by the bacteria, you get this in these carbon molecules made by the bacterium you get this incredible burst of intelligence back at the gut line. And so not only is the bacteria starting to proliferate and diversify the carbon molecules that are made by the soil healthy soils and the healthy gut they start actually increasing the protein synthesis of those velcro like tight junctions that hold the entire gut lining and the blood vessels all together. So as you can increase the density of that velcro and you get that intelligent membrane back, then suddenly the amino acids can be handled.

Starting point is 00:26:17 They can be kept on the correct side of the gut until the bacteria process them, make them bioavailable. They can be trafficked intelligently across that gut membrane and everything else. So to have a chemical like life, it's a both wipes out our bacteria and destroys that Velcro. We're just in constant overwhelm all the time. Now you back out of that, you start to give back to all of these carbon molecules. You don't have to supplement with amino acids because your

Starting point is 00:26:45 bacteria are now extracting those from all kinds of food sources, and when they can't get up from the food sources, they can make them make it themselves. And so it's very cool that the bacteria actually have the chicken mate pathway. And so they can make the essential amino acids for us even if your food does not. And so it's a really beautiful world that we're starting to realize, man, the facturian fungi, when they're taking care of us, we're unbeatable. We cannot miss, we cannot be deficient in any nutrient because the facturian fungi to produce whatever is needed. And so that's, I think, the magic that we experienced for thousands of years

Starting point is 00:27:20 was not only with their intelligence and incredible nutrient and medicinal quality to our food, there was incredible intelligence and medicinal quality to the bacteria and fungi that were growing within our guts and on our skin and in every orifice of the body, we were covered with this biome that was just brilliant. Now we're seeing the opposite. We're 47% of our children are being born sterile by sea section. They never even see the mom's vaginal canal where they would inherit the bacteria that would help protect them. And so they're born sterile. They adopt the hospitals bacteria for instead of moms for, then they're challenged for their whole life.

Starting point is 00:27:55 Immediately, they started to callic or coarse sleep quality and poor digestive effect in the kiddo. Then they start getting ear infections. They get antibiotics and get further sterilized. And so it's just this chronic long-term battle for most children now to maintain any sort of ecosystem. I can't help but comment that it sounds so overwhelming. Like all these things that we are doing to ourselves are hurting us.

Starting point is 00:28:21 What are some ways we can protect ourselves? I wanted to talk about these carbon molecules you were bringing up, but before I do, can people protect themselves a little bit by doing things like eating organic non-processed type foods? Does that make a difference? Does that make enough of a difference to help? It does start moving the needle in the right direction for sure. So organic food is going to have a lower amount of the chemical residues that are browned upon it than your conventional grown crop. However, and, fortunately, we've dumped enough round up into our environment that we've got about 75% of our rainfall, about 75% of the air samples that are taken in areas where

Starting point is 00:28:58 there is crops grown contaminated. And so we're literally raining on our crops and wetter where we grow with roundup. And so it's very difficult at this stage within the United States to get away from that chemical residue, that chemical phenomenon. But we're certainly voting with our dollars to less than use of roundup. And I'm very hopeful that with enough information, the consumer is going to radically change and demand the cessation of that spring. The good news is, mother earth looks like it can clean it up.

Starting point is 00:29:31 Actually, the bacteria and fungi are pretty good at decontaminating round up of who would just stop spraying it. It looks like within 30 to 50 years, we might be able to get the levels back down below where they're doing damage. So holy cow. There are 10 recover. 30 to 50 years. Son of a bitch.

Starting point is 00:29:50 We've done a number of having me. Yeah, we've left a mark for sure. It's got quite a legacy. So yeah, I've told people this before too, you know, eating organic doesn't mean you won't have, you know, residues from these chemicals. You'll just have lower amounts. So it's almost impossible to get away from. Now, you've referenced a couple times during this episode,

Starting point is 00:30:13 you're talking about these carbon molecules that you've identified, that are important in cell signaling, would you mind getting a little deeper into that? What are these molecules and what do they do? And why don't we have them, or as many of them as we used to? Sure. So you can imagine a compost pile where you throw a orange peel or any kind of carbon to tell your garden back into the the pile of your compost. And that's broken down very quickly into soil.

Starting point is 00:30:44 Is it 14 days if you keep it aerated, everything's gonna return to a soil state. What's happening in that natural composting, it's happening in your garden or same thing happening in your gut. When you eat food, it's all gotta be composted down. You'll notice a healthy gut, whatever's coming out in the toilet

Starting point is 00:31:00 never looks like what's on your plate. But if it starts to, where you have intact food and you're not getting digestion in the food and you're passing food that looks on digestion, you know you've got massive depletion of gut material there. So composting is happening all the time, bacteria and fungi around us. But it turns out that the carbon molecules are pretty specific to each species of bacteria and fungi. And so if you're lacking biodiversity and if your ecosystem has gone from a couple hundred

Starting point is 00:31:30 thousand bacteria species down to maybe just a couple hundred species, suddenly you're going to have a whole different system of communication. You're going to have a whole different system of protection. That's really deficient across the board. And I think that's what we're looking at today's guide. You're looking at a couple hundred species that are now become dominant, whether it used to be tens of thousands of species dominant, well, at least in the balanced state. Now we're seeing this kind of weed-like overgrowth

Starting point is 00:31:58 at the intestines. And so this family of carbon molecules is getting narrower and narrower in its vocabulary. This is leading to a decrease in the cell-cell signal that we had mentioned earlier. We're getting literally less instructions at the DNA level to build anything because much of that instruction doesn't come to human cells. The instructions that build our body are actually coming to my environment. And so the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink, all of this is coding and determining the behavior of our DNA.

Starting point is 00:32:33 And it's increasingly looking like we can't get a clear signal of what to do at the DNA. We're not getting a robust response to any of that environmental stimulus or environmental communication because we're lacking that bacteria-like system that would create that wireless network. You can imagine this sort of like your cell phone. Your cell phone has this invisible wireless network that runs out to the nearest cell phone tower and has repeated it all the way around the world at the speed of light. It's amazing technology. However, if you're more than seven miles from that, cell phone tower, suddenly you lose communication.

Starting point is 00:33:12 Now, nothing happened to yourself. The cell phone is still completely functional. Nothing broke the computer. It saw as a capacity to receive and transmit, but it just lost the wireless communication. And it's now useless as a communication device. That's exactly the cell of your body, so the cell of your body has all the machinery

Starting point is 00:33:30 to talk across systems, do cell repair, call in stem cells, call in the immune system. But if it loses that wireless network, and it just sits there stagnant, not sure what's going on, and so it can't update its software, just like your cell phone starts to run slower. The errors start to happen and just starts to dysfunction across the board.

Starting point is 00:33:52 And so that's been the extraordinary journey. And then clinic is, you know, in 2012, we started to isolate these carbon molecules out of fossil soils that are 50 million years old. There was an ecosystem on the planet 50 million years ago that's just unrivaled today. And so we've been extracting these huge networks of carbon molecules, these massive wireless network out of these fossil soils and putting this into our patients. And it's literally redefined our understanding of health. It's pretty extraordinary for me as a research scientist to realize, wow, everything I ever studied in

Starting point is 00:34:25 the lab, every single cell culture, all my understanding of cancer, all my understanding of cardiovascular disease, all of these things were determined. We created a model for how we thought these things were working in sterile petri dishes. We never took into consideration the incredible bacterial bio-bunga in viruses and their impact on these physiology so there's fundamental human health. So without some of these compounds, we lose this ability for cells to communicate with each other. We basically lose our ability to heal ourselves. That's correct.

Starting point is 00:35:00 That's it. So we're starting to see, we're living on a toxic planet. And of course, Roundup is only one of the many toxic-based, basic things. So we're sitting on that toxic planet and then losing our entire system of defense, losing our system of repair and response, losing our system of regeneration through stem cell activity. We're just dialing down very quickly. And so you and many of your listeners are experiencing

Starting point is 00:35:29 what everybody is, is, man, we are spending so much money now doing damage control. We spend so much money on our supplements, on our food, on the water we drink, we're spending more money on water that's wanted at this point. Really good quality water is most expensive in a bottle of wine.

Starting point is 00:35:44 And so it's just extraordinary. The cost is going into fostering and supporting health on this toxic plant. Now there's a product that you help make that replaces or provides you with some of these molecules that act as the cell towers, if you will. Would you mind getting into that a little bit? No, I have personally, I have no affiliation with your company. I don't make a dime off of talking about your product.

Starting point is 00:36:14 And my listeners know that I've had my own battles with gut health, and more recently, my gut health has been better than it's been in a long time. There's a few things that I've done, and one of the things that I've done that I haven't really talked a whole lot about, mainly because I wanted to be sure if this was part of the reason why I've been feeling better, and I'm pretty sure it is, was using this product called Restore, which is not a probiotic.

Starting point is 00:36:42 What is it exactly? What is in Restore? What is it that I'm taking that's helping me feel so much better? Absolutely. Yeah. So the restore is the first dietary supplement to really harness the communication, capacity, these carbon molecules that we've been discussing. And so in that, the active ingredient is called terahydrate, and it's this family of complex carbon molecules that have now been put through kind of a catalyst process to get the hydrogen binding right again. So now you have carbon binding oxygen and hydrogen, and it's the release of that hydrogen ion that looks to be the big piece of the puzzle. So as these carbon molecules go into your gut and go across your gut

Starting point is 00:37:24 system and your immune system and beyond They're releasing and absorbing hydrogen at a very fast rate probably a million to the second at which this transition happens And so this is very much like a digital signal of hydrogen going out into the body that's carried by these huge carbon molecules Each one kind of having its niche within this communication chain And so what you experienced when you started taking a restore was that within a few hours huge carbon molecules, each one kind of having its niche within this communication chain. So what you experienced when you started taking a restore was that within a few hours you started making more protein along the gut lining. And so we've shown this again, again, small tests in the end colon.

Starting point is 00:37:56 As soon as the restore hits, you start to see an increased production of the ZO1, it's a protein that is coherent in that tight junction, starts being produced very rapidly by the nucleus of all your cells that line your intestine. And so the Velcro just starts increasing very rapidly within a few hours you've got 20, 30, 40% increase in your total body Velcro system going on. Within a few days, six days it continues to improve and improve. Over that six day period, you now have this very robust system that we have now resistant to Roundup.

Starting point is 00:38:34 And so we've shown again and again that as you start adding Roundup, you destroy tight junctions. But if you have enough of these carbon molecules around, you actually become quite resistant to that injury. The point when we've taken it now to 20,000 times the amount that you would typically see in your diet, and you continue to do really profound tight junction control. So really a neat story that, you know, here is Mother Nature being destroyed as we speak by our chemical industry that's destroying her soils. And yet 50 million years ago, she

Starting point is 00:39:05 planted the antidote to our insanity again in her soil. And so it's a really cool story of grace, I think, in the way that Mother Nature and the Earth is designed for, not just our blessings, but also designed for our insanity. Yeah, pretty impressive. Yeah, because I noticed as I was taking it, it took, I really started to see improvements after about 30 to 60 days is when I really started to see improvements in my digestion. And then as a result of that, you know, from a performance standpoint, just, I felt much better in the gym. I felt stronger. I felt like, you know, more energy, of course, because I was, you know, my gut is a lot healthier.

Starting point is 00:39:45 So these, again, these are, this is basically, I'm, when I take this, I'm supplementing with things you're finding in ancient dirt. And it's not bacteria, it's not probiotics, it's just helping my cells communicate with each other. Are you guys conducting studies on this, and are you, what are you seeing in some of these studies? Are there any published that people can look up?

Starting point is 00:40:04 Yeah, there's a number of peer-reviewed journal articles that have been published around the molecules and these restore to manage the roundup injury as well as the glutein injury. And so this whole phenomenon of glutein sensitivity also ties back to roundup. We would not have glutein sensitivity if we hadn't a roundup in the diet. And so both of those have been published. You can find those have been published. You can find those on our website. It's restore the number four life.com, restorefulife.com.

Starting point is 00:40:33 And go to the science page there. You'll see some of those peer review journal articles. We have clinical trials ongoing. Some of the neat things that we've seen within two weeks of starting the product, the amount of glyphosate that you have in your body that's peeing out is reduced. So you're getting less and less of that penetration of the chemical in the first place in your system. And so that's an exciting piece we weren't actually expecting. We knew we were combating lifesafe, but we had no idea we were going to be

Starting point is 00:40:58 out of life. So you reduced the amount of lifesafe that your body's seen. And so those are some of the cool things the bacterial mutation network of dealing. In addition, we see this huge increase in glutathione. Glutathione is the main antioxidant that your body makes. And that is managing the inflammatory reaction to exercise, for example. So some 85% of the total antioxidant in your body is glutathione.

Starting point is 00:41:21 We give the restore product and you'll see some 800 those increases. So the thion be produced by the membrane. And it's cells there in the immune system. So over that first month that you were taking it, you got a huge reservoir built up of the antioxidant reservoir. Got a huge reservoir of amino acids and essential nutrients

Starting point is 00:41:44 built back up in the body, and you really proliferated bacteria. And so it's not unusual in that first month to see a real bulking of your stools, which are suddenly having a couple of bowel movements a day, much higher volume of the stools, and soft well-formed stools that are starting to really coil up in the bottom of the toilet. And the else is the volume associated with it. And that's because the bacteria are just proliferating like crazy. And that's what you want to see is this huge biome boost.

Starting point is 00:42:10 And what you're getting there is something completely different than the probiotics that you mentioned a couple times. Probiotics is three species or seven species of bacteria that you take every day. And they're in copy at a massive number. So you might be taking 35 billion to 50 billion. There's even a couple on the market hour that are bragging one trillion copies of the same bacterial species. Well, imagine now this huge ecosystem, something like the Costa Rican jungle or anything else out there. And you start to do the, go from, you know, hundreds

Starting point is 00:42:46 of thousand species to a state of probiotic use where you're suddenly taking three species at a troying copies a day and it's just hammering the ecosystem into monoculture. It's interesting to note that no clinical trials have ever been done to show any benefit to long-term probiotic use. All the probiotic studies have ever been done, which are actually quite few and far between. But those few that have been done have only been done for a couple of weeks. So I really have seen it in my own patients for decades that if you, with chronic use to probiotics, you certainly lose any benefit.

Starting point is 00:43:20 But more importantly, you're probably losing bacterial diversity in the intrinsic complexity of the gut. Yeah, it's, I consider probiotics symptom care, but not really treating the root cause of what's going on. I myself use probiotics on and off because, again, my gut issues, and I do notice reduction in symptoms when I take them, but if I stop, everything goes back

Starting point is 00:43:46 to where it was before. But anyhow, very, very fascinating conversation. I think our listeners are gonna enjoy a lot of what we talked about. We talked quite a bit about gut health and it's importance in pretty much everything but also in relationship to athletic performance and building muscle and burning body fat and some of the stuff that all of our listeners are really interested in.

Starting point is 00:44:09 So I appreciate you coming on the show, Dr. Bush. Where can people find you? I appreciate you having us on the website www.restore, the number four, life.com. And you're not to find out more about our clinics and such at that bush md dot com dh b u s h dot com md dot com much appreciated dr bush

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 680: Dr. Zach Bush on How to Restore Gut Health

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