Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 684: Losing Stubborn Body Fat, The Shin Splints Fix, How to Fast & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 45 minutes, Adam Justin and I have some fun conversation before we get into questions. We start off with, we had a sad testimonial. Apparently our programs are too effective. So depressing.

Starting point is 00:00:30 So effective, it's creating divorces. They're home records. Then we have some fun talk about rabbit sex and dolphin orgies. We got to watch cool videos, thanks Doug. These are real, they happen all the time. Then we talked about cordiceps and atoms libido. I think it might be helping them out. I mentioned four-sigmatic who has a very high quality

Starting point is 00:00:53 version of corticeps. In fact, if you go to four, spell it out, FOURsigmatic.com, four-slash, mind pump and enter the code, mind pump without a space, you'll get a discount. We talk about Justin's trip to Las Vegas to attend the CES convention. What does that stand for?

Starting point is 00:01:11 Bunch of nerds. I don't even know what that stands for. Yeah, consumer electronic something. There you go. Sorry. Oh, we also mentioned brain FM. We were talking about meditation. They had some cool meditation devices.

Starting point is 00:01:21 But why was it we talked about those guys, man? I love that product. If you go to brain.f while as we talked about those guys, man, I love that product. Yeah. If you go to brain.fm-forward slash mind pump, you can get yourself hooked up with a subscription to brain of them. We also talked about the creepy transhumanism booth at the CES. Just scared to go in. He has a microchip in his penis now.

Starting point is 00:01:41 And then we talk about thrive market. We opened up a box sent by them with some cool products. We'll see you this time, guys. We're also sponsored by Thrive Market. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mine pump, here is what you'll get. One month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, will we ever do a pure water fast?

Starting point is 00:02:06 And do we have any tips for you? You mentioned that. In fact, when this episode airs, we will all be starting a 48 if you're a pussy to 72 hours fast. Dick, starting today. Then the next question, why do we interview crossfitters if we're against crossfit, or are we against crossfit or is this particular person Super sensitive and being a pussy right now because we're not against crossfit

Starting point is 00:02:30 We just think they're programming stuff. Yep. Next question was do we have any tips for people with shin splints? It's funny. We haven't answered this question before because it's so common the fix is actually quite simple find out in this episode because it's so common, the fix is actually quite simple, find out in this episode. Finally, last question, this particular person is having trouble with the last four to five percent of their stubborn body fat. What suggestions do we have for them? Punch it.

Starting point is 00:02:58 We give them the secret answer in this episode. Also, this month, it's January, time to get in shape. Yeah, let's go, come on. Get your year planned out. Get your year. Have a plan. Mapped out. I like that one.

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Starting point is 00:04:54 A sad testimonial. Another one? Like a, like a, it's a testimonial, but it's sad. You know what I mean? So this woman, a good sad like it there's a story so this woman writes to me and she's like Mm-hmm. I'm leaving my husband after being married for 16 years. Whoa because of mind pump

Starting point is 00:05:17 Yeah, so I'm like, what did we do? Well, you're sitting here stage photos of me? So I was like what? So I kind of felt bad. I'm like like well, you know what happened or whatever and To fall in love with us. Well, she used to work out wrong and and do all kinds of weird diets and stuff and then she followed Our program maps and she lost a lot of weight got really fit and Realized that she could do much better so she left her husband So sad and bright so So I'm like, on one hand, I'm like, you got your goals on the other hand. I'm like, fuck, we broke another, we broke up another marriage. Another one, another family is having a lot here. Right now you DMs a lot.

Starting point is 00:05:56 I feel like you know, home records is what you're saying. That's that, well, here's the thing I want to convey to people is if you're married, or you have a significant other and you're going to do maps by yourself, it's probably not the mood. Let them know. Let them know. Look, tell you, this is what you say, your boyfriend or girlfriend, say, listen, say, I value you, I love you.

Starting point is 00:06:18 And at this moment, we find, listen, I'm going to change. Yeah, we are on an any relatively equivalent basis of hotness, like our hotness is kind of the same. But what's about to happen over the next few months is my hotness level is gonna explode. And when that happens, I'm gonna realize that I can get with someone much hotter. So you should metamorphosis.

Starting point is 00:06:43 So you should do this with me. And together we can elevate our value. Right. Because these are sad messages. I don't want to read them shit. We don't want that to happen. I'm not trying to hear, you know, that maps. We want to elevate both.

Starting point is 00:06:56 Yeah. What I want to hear is I want to hear me and my spouse both did maps and now we're both having sex five times a day or something like that. Yeah. Not, I left. Yeah. Because I got fit. Like we're both having sex five times a day or something like that. Yeah. Not, I left, because I got fit. Like we're just banging like rabbits.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Like rabbits. You know what I mean? You ever seen a rabbit bang? Then we have maps kids. Do rabbits really bang a lot? Yeah, they do. Or they just have a lot of babies from. Dude, have you ever seen, they do it like with like rapid hips just, bbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-bim-b It's like five seconds, dude. Is it really? Yeah. They get it in real quick. They penetrate and they go,

Starting point is 00:07:45 oh, this is great, Doug, that you found it. Yeah, it's funny. It's having sex. Doug, I'm not trying to watch. It's nothing. Oh, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Look at that, look at that tail. That's not that fast.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Oh, he just tackled her. That's it, it's over. That's over. That's it's that fast. He's done. Well, he'll hit it again. I feel like that's, oh again. Yeah, yeah. So he's like a little champion. I don't know, he goes for more. They go for all day. So it's just the, he'll hit it again. I feel like that's oh again. Yeah, yeah, so he's like a little champion

Starting point is 00:08:05 I don't know he goes for more they they go for all day, so it's just a here. He's comes. It's just a bunch of he's making a second move It's like just I think that's it lots of see it at one time one time. There you go All right, yeah, oh, you're wrong. You're oh no, no, no, no, no, he's you know what he's trying to do right now He's trying to warmer up. He's trying to be cool with her. He's like listen. I gotta listen I know that was a little aggressive You know what he's trying to do right now? He's trying to warm her up. He's trying to be cool with her. He's like, listen, I gotta, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna come in a little slowly. How come her ears are so far down and back? Does that, is she signifying that she likes it?

Starting point is 00:08:33 She's like, ah, man. Do you know, did you guys know that dolphins have, well, there you go. There you go. There you go again. Wow. It's impressive. He is a little champion.

Starting point is 00:08:44 Did you guys know dolphins have orgies? I've heard that. I heard their freaks. Is this like one of those dad jokes? No, no, no. No, there's no, I listen. I make a lot of jokes. You know that?

Starting point is 00:08:56 But it never ends if orgies. I never joke around about orgies. They, amorous. They actually swim in pods. I think that's the term for multiple dolphins. Pods. Yeah, pods. They swim a bunch of them together and it becomes a clusterfuck.

Starting point is 00:09:13 Literally. And gangbang. Wow. Yeah, so there'll be like a female dolphin. Everybody's running a train. And there's a bunch of male dolphins. How long do dolphins live? I don't know. How long do dolphins live?

Starting point is 00:09:30 Well, you know about there. They're so Because that's interesting. I'm gonna fuck how long they live. I want to know what they do that whole with that hole You would you are more likely to do that more likely to Google like They do stuff the blow hole. Huh? I don't know But I do but here's some more interesting key. Here's some more. So dolphins happen to be one of my favorite animals. Here's one of my other interesting,

Starting point is 00:09:49 another interesting thing. Why are they such, why are they favorite animals? Because they're intelligent. They're very intelligent. How long do they live? They're 30, 60 years. I don't know, that long, that longer. That's a striped dolphin.

Starting point is 00:09:59 Yeah, wow, 55 to 60 years. That's not bad. So here's another interesting fact about dolphins. Dolphins will seek out pufferfish to get high off of them. No way. Yes. How? They, I believe it is weird that we have animal instincts to like go after stuff like this, right?

Starting point is 00:10:17 Even when you think about how we've found trums and we found a lot of these, these drug marijuana, like how did that happen? Because like one day you're just like running somebody ate one. Walking, walking through the forest, you're constantly shoving things in your mouth and then one time you're like whoa, that was fun.

Starting point is 00:10:31 Oh thanks, Doug. He pulled up the dolphin orgy. Whoa. Might as well add to the, damn, look at that. To the rabbit banging. I told you. Why, why does it say the Doug's subscribes to this already?

Starting point is 00:10:42 I don't know. That's what I've reviewed. That's what I've reviewed. That's what I've reviewed. That's what I said. That's what I said. That's what I might also like. Whale hunts. Yeah. So, she's jagged.

Starting point is 00:10:50 Yeah, animals do seek out altered states of consciousness. It's just something that animals do. And I think what probably happened with humans is because humans are different than most animals. That's what I'm saying. And that we can eat lots of different things to survive, probably because food was so scarce. So we probably saw a mushroom growing out of some poop or something and we're like, I

Starting point is 00:11:16 mean, I'm going to try this. Eat it. Eat it. And you're like, I didn't die. So everybody's like, cool, everybody eats it. And then like two hours later, you invent. invent well there's a lot of species that have Seaked like hallucinogenic type foods, right even birds I've heard have certain foods that they go and they eat just specifically to get high

Starting point is 00:11:36 I've heard that too. What is it though that gets them high? I'm trying to remember is it like opiate seeds or some shit like kind of seed No, I don't think that's because it's the opiate seeds or some shit like kind of seed. Yeah. No, I don't think that's because it does exist. Opiate seeds. They're like going along with it. What is it? What is it? Mommy, can you give me some fruit from the viket entry? It's some kind of mold, maybe, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Well, I mean, opiate grows like wheat, right? It looks like wheat, doesn't it look like? Opium. Opium, right? Well, let's opium is... Poppy. Poppy, there you go. Thank you, Poppy seed is worth.

Starting point is 00:12:04 Back in Doug's day, they smoked... That's what I was looking for, Doug. He eats those muffins all the time. And Puppey, I get nothing. No, I really think, I think you're right. I think the birds are, and I think it's Puppey seeds. It's not OPM seed, it was Puppey enough. Twebs looking for was Puppey seeds. Puppey seeds are Puppey that.

Starting point is 00:12:17 Puppey seeds are how you make OPM. Uh-huh, I am. So I think it is that. Look it up, Doug. How do the birds get high? Please. That's the Google. We're totally using our Google time.

Starting point is 00:12:27 I feel like you can open up a seed company and sell them and just because you're in be Hispanic, so you can sell them as puppy seeds. You know what I mean? What? Like Poppy. Yeah, Poppy. That is an awful, chill stretch.

Starting point is 00:12:39 That was an terrible stretch. You're getting bad. We're even giving you a mulligan for that one. Oh, what? You're getting it a mulligan. There you go with the sports not gonna work. We're gonna give you a mulligan for that one. Oh, what? You're gonna get a mulligan. There you go with the sports reference. Yeah, I know, it's a mulligan. Yeah, it's okay.

Starting point is 00:12:49 We're gonna let that one go. More interesting facts is, I don't know if I've told this on the podcast, the fungus cordiseps, you know where a lot of it grows as a parasite on a type of caterpillar. Yeah. Literally grows off the caterpillar

Starting point is 00:13:06 until the caterpillar dies. Right, turns into like a zombie caterpillar. And then that's the, then that's the course. No, that's the ant. Remember that, that zombie ant that it also takes over. Look at, look at birds get stolen by rubbing ants on their wings. What?

Starting point is 00:13:19 I was way off. That is bizarre. It's what, it's called anting. I knew they did something, but that was not what I thought. Dude, how fucked up would that be if you were the ant? You know what I was saying. Why do they keep rubbing me all over? Yeah, like imagine if there was this big animal that got high off was like smashing humans on them. I Never heard of that before. Did you know that?

Starting point is 00:13:39 Yeah, well you obviously did because you knew no, I knew birds get high But I thought I would just assume that it would be off the eight something. Right. I would not think that it had anything to do with taking ants and rubber gloves. No, so what I was gonna say is, what's cool about this is if you look at all the ancient forms of medicine, because there's forms of medicine that are thousands and thousands and thousands of years old, and it all starts with observation. So, like, you know, like what is it? Herders would notice that when their goats ate this particular plant, they had sex with each other, and that's where you get horny goat wheat, which is a real cordiceps.

Starting point is 00:14:12 They noticed that animals that ate this fungus were strong and virile, so they started to eat this mushroom. So they just observe what other animals doing, and actually right now, cordiceps would be a good thing to take during flu season. It's antiviral. Oh, it is. Yeah, it is. It's speaking of cordyceps, how's it working for you?

Starting point is 00:14:32 I know you're taking them with the ashwagandha and everything else. Yeah, dude, I have quite the stack going on over at my house, right? Is it helping? It is. So I and what is? And now that I'm incorporating the Juve light,

Starting point is 00:14:44 I was going to put a post up. I've just been waiting to share all the herbal supplements that I've been taking and then the protocol I've been using with the Juve Light. But I wanted to make sure that I prefaced that with, this is my experience. I'm not telling people that if you do this for sure, don't crease your testosterone.

Starting point is 00:15:03 What I have noticed with me, because I have mine has been through the floor for the last six months or so, I'm noticing my libido coming back. And it's it's significantly in comparison, right? It's still not good. I'm still not back to what I was noticing a positive change. Yeah, no, I mean, keep being completely transparent. I was going, you know, I would go a week or two and have zero sex drive whatsoever. So no libido at all.

Starting point is 00:15:26 And so now starting to feel that come back where I have these thoughts, I have these desires throughout the day. I wasn't having that before. That's happening to me again now, so that's a really good feeling. So I know that I'm heading in the right direction. And considering all things considering. I mean, I'm going through this injury right now. I got sick.

Starting point is 00:15:44 Like, it's a motherfucker right now to be trying to increase my testosterone naturally. And I would love to be in there heavy squatting occasionally and stuff, none of that's happening right now. Have you had blood work done yet? Not since all this. So I had blood work done last year. So last.

Starting point is 00:16:02 Are you planning on doing it again? Yeah, it's, I mean, yeah, if I get around to it. So you know it's not as much of a priority to me because I've done it enough times to kind of, I like, I know my body and my body and I know when it's low, when it's high. So it's, I recommend to people to get your blood work done, but I don't honestly do it every single year anymore

Starting point is 00:16:20 because I've done it enough times. So what I was gonna say is what's weird about, because libido can definitely be a strong sign of lower or higher testosterone, but not always. For example, you can take, if you're a normal healthy male and you take ashwagandha or cortiseps or, let me think of another one, tribulus or horny goat weed.

Starting point is 00:16:43 And you're already normal and healthy. Tongkat alley. Tongkat alley. Tongkat alley. That's the other one I'm thinking. Your testosterone won't go up. Studies will show that they don't really raise testosterone healthy men, but your libido will still go up. So the average guy, if he takes cordiseps or, you know, horny goat weed or one of the

Starting point is 00:16:59 other ones, you'll probably notice a boost in libido. Doesn't mean your testosterone is going up. Now that's interesting. But they do show in studies with men with low testosterone that are real razor testosterone. So the only way to know is have a blood test, right? Like you could have the subjective feelings of higher testosterone, but you don't really know.

Starting point is 00:17:21 I've had clients that will go get their testosterone levels checked and they think they're go get their testosterone levels checked and they think they're low and their testosterone and everything's real high. And then it had other times when a guy gets a random physical and everything feels fine. Sex, drive, motivation, strength, everything's good. It gets tested in these under-range.

Starting point is 00:17:38 So it's kind of weird. You saying that makes me really interested to do the game, but I've been pretty spot on to how I feel is normally a pretty direct correlation with. Would I be able to guess exactly where my test is right now, probably not. I bet I could get a pretty good, pretty good guesstimate. Guestment? Guest? Hello. Guestment? Guestment, where? Pretty good. Yeah, pretty good guestimate on where the range that I'm at right now in comparison to where I've been where I really fucked up and where I actually recommend Young men to go get tested now before

Starting point is 00:18:13 You ever fuck with anything you know the baseline. Yes. I wish I wouldn't because that to me is the biggest thing So you have like some hormone therapist so that the healthy range they say is is that range from 400 to like 1200 right? That's like with a consider healthy range. Well is that range from 400 to like 1200 right that's like with a consider healthy range Well, that's a wide range and so if you're somebody who goes in you test it 500 doctor would say hey You're total normal test astronauts send you send you away But what if you were somebody who just two years before you fucked around with steroids? Actually would have tested it 1200 free test and then you fuck with steroids and then it now is lowered your free test down to like 500. But yet you still fall in the quote unquote normal range,

Starting point is 00:18:50 but it's really not normal for you because you were used to higher levels. Those ranges are established off of averages. Right, that's all it is. That's what I'm saying, right? So my point is that you could definitely be low testosterone, but not be testing super low on what they consider in average, because you might have been somebody

Starting point is 00:19:07 who had abnormally high testosterone, and you're used to that. You're used to that feeling, and you don't know what it's like. You got a test will tell you only some information, but not all, then you have to consider your own subjective, how you feel. So this is why I'm not like in a rush to go back,

Starting point is 00:19:22 and oh see where my blood is, and let's see what they read to me, because I don't give a fuck what it says that much. I care about how I feel. And the number one driver for me right now is my libido because that affects my partner. That affects my relationship. You know, to be honest, being like Estrogen heavy

Starting point is 00:19:39 and low testosterone probably makes me a fucking great partner as far as emotionally. And since you're having a great conversation. Great conversation. I'm a lover. I like to cuddle right now. Like all that shit. You want to watch the same shows.

Starting point is 00:19:50 Right. So if I could just get my libido and check, like I'm fucking, yeah, I can have a happy wife at home. Are you sensitive? Yeah. Oh, totally. I'm totally that guy right now. So there, I mean, to me as long as that part is solid,

Starting point is 00:20:03 yeah, it matters to me to be able to build some muscle and shit. So, I'm sure when I get back into a very consistent regimen, if I'm feeling like I'm not building it all, knowing what I'm applying to my training and my diet, that might dictate if I go back on testosterone or not. But for me, the relationship, the libido is my number one thing that I'm looking at right now and trying to fix. If that's good, then I can then I can slowly work on the building, building the testosterone levels up and building muscle in the future and things like that.

Starting point is 00:20:37 But you know, so far so good where we're going, it's more of a mental game for me than it is a physical one right now. So that's what I find the most challenging is just keep in my head straight about it. Good deal. Justin, you just got back from CES. I did, man. I want to hear all about this. There's a whirlwind, dude.

Starting point is 00:20:52 What happened? Well, at first, we were waiting because our flight was delayed and so we didn't get there until super late at night, Monday night, and then Tuesday, basically, we had one day. So one day to experience what CES was, and let me just tell you that you could probably put like 20 fitness expos and 20 like paleo effects as all, you know, in there into one thing.

Starting point is 00:21:19 Yeah, it was like in solution of people. How long would it take you to walk from one end to the other? I don't know, man. It honestly probably like a half an hour. What? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:32 That's insane. Yeah, at one of the conventions. I had no idea. And so here's the thing, we didn't know, like I didn't know what to expect either. This was like totally one of those things that I was like really excited to go because I geek out on a lot of these products

Starting point is 00:21:44 and a lot of the future stuff that's coming out and you know all these companies are kind of showing off and and peacocking a bit and trying to get press and all this attention and so you know we're running hustling we're getting all this film and footage and we ended up at the convention center which was all the stuff that's like, you know, like stuff for your camera, for drones, for like theater, for like RVs, trucks, like all this kind of stuff. Like where the fuck is the fitness? You know, where's the wellness? Where's all this stuff? It turns out it's in an entirely different location,

Starting point is 00:22:22 like across town at the Venetian. Oh, really? So you guys are in the spent half our day, It's in an entirely different location, like across town at the Venetian. So really. So you guys are in the spent half our day waiting in all these lines and it was raining and freezing and shit and like we're at our hotel, like it was flooded where we're supposed to pick up Uber

Starting point is 00:22:37 and everything and so we had to like walk all around that like all around Vegas to try and get to a spot where the Uber actually picked us up. It was pretty chaotic, dude. Like since the moment where I did that parkour video until I got there, it was just been pure chaos. So I was just riding by the seat of my pants. And so anyway, we finally figured out

Starting point is 00:22:58 that oh shit, we're in the wrong place. So now we gotta get it over there. We get over there. I run into somebody that recognizes me from Mind Pump, which was rad and shout out to Sandra and FlexTronics for providing me with a pass to get in and everything. They pulled me into their special event where I met really, really fascinating CEOs that were showing off and displaying stuff that they weren't out on the floor.

Starting point is 00:23:26 So I got exclusive kind of coverage of some products that only like CNN and some of these other news media channels kind of got to cover. So that was pretty cool. Did you see any like trends or was it a theme? Because I feel like sometimes you go, like I remember when we went to PaleoFX, the theme felt very bone broth and jerky, or whatever.

Starting point is 00:23:50 You know what I mean? Or in coffee bombs. I saw a lot of those. Was there like a theme? Yeah, so there was like two themes. So you saw like a gigillion wearables. And then you also saw people really trying to address sleep. So that being in, there was like a whole section of like in home technology.

Starting point is 00:24:11 So everywhere from your mattress to like lighting to, you know, you name it. Like everything that was was like an accessory in your house. Like they're trying to make in the direction of like being able to kind of ritualize your sleep powder. That's cool. Yeah, and like, obviously the sleep number bad, all that kind of stuff. But we actually ran into a cool company, New Calm, I believe their name is, and we we've logged some of this. So Taylor and I actually last minute, like we ran into Josh Trent for there from Wellness Force. And he had and he did a panel earlier

Starting point is 00:24:46 that morning that we missed because we were in the wrong place, but he gave us a heads-up and a tip to go check them out. And we just kind of like, again, this is another one of those cool things that I had a media pass and I don't know why. I'm just like using it. Was that from Sandra, Frisco Bella? Sandra? Oh shit. Yeah, Frisco Bella, Sandra? Yes. Oh shit, yeah, yeah, yeah, my home girl.

Starting point is 00:25:07 I didn't know that she was the one who looked to Saul up. Oh, she's awesome. Yeah, she was there. Yes, she was actually, I didn't know she was gonna be there. I didn't even know where their booth was. I, we just randomly, we saw two security guards kind of standing outside and we were like, what is this?

Starting point is 00:25:20 What do you guys got going on in this? Oh, it's just private, private event, this and that. And we're like, oh, it's weird. We got media passes. Yeah. It's like, oh, really? Okay. Well, let me go see who's there. And then somebody at the front of this event recognized me.

Starting point is 00:25:38 And it wasn't Sandra. And then she's like, oh, you're from Mind Pump. And then it was cool. Because it was like, wow, that's a foundation. Right, yeah, yeah. I saw you put on those Nike's that. Dole, yeah. How does that work?

Starting point is 00:25:53 Can you just put your foot in there? Yeah, so there's just like technology that FlexTronics actually worked with Nike to build and they put it on the bottom of the shoe. And so it's like, it basically, like, it has a wire that goes through the laces. And so it just, it just tightens up from that little motor on the bottom of your shoe. And it just cinches it up. So whatever it is, like as far as the snug fit, like it, as

Starting point is 00:26:17 you're running and everything, it will like readjust and keep it snug. So if your shoe laces, like, basically, get, like, that loose feeling. So. Have you ever, have you, have you, oh, you haven't done snowboarding or wake, so snowboarding boots now, they've been around now for good, I want to say 10 years almost, similar technology. So my boots, my wakeboard boots and my old snowboard boots, you have this little, just, it's a knob. So I had to do it manually.

Starting point is 00:26:44 So they've now automated it, right? But you have a wire that's over those. Yeah, and you just use crank one, it goes, and it cinches the laces up, and you slide your feet in, and then you just crank it, and then it just cinches the whole thing up. Yeah, my most comfortable boots I've ever ridden. So imagine that feeling, just like I have a way cooler. Yeah, but it was totally back to the future, ask. You know, like they came out with that one shoe that they basically model exactly after back the future to but

Starting point is 00:27:09 So this was like I guess these are out in the market already. I didn't even are they Nike or is it another brand Nike? It is Nike You saw them on the video, right? Yeah, I couldn't remember they almost look like the ones on back to the future. Yeah almost a little bit I was like a little bit of me was like like, oh, would it give this to me for free or what? I was trying to score all this gear while I was there. That was my other goal. Did you get anything?

Starting point is 00:27:32 And I got some stuff. Yeah, really? Yeah, I got the same motion bracelet. Yeah, the wearable that, so it has that same kind of technology, the biometric impedance. But they're kind of spin on just like having all the wearable stuff that everybody tries to have as far as like a pedometer and heart rate and all these kinds of different features. They actually have it so you can put your place your fingers on top of the, like has these metal sensors on top that will basically register

Starting point is 00:28:02 through the biometric impedance and give you some kind of a registered body fat percentage. So now you have that like sort of ease of access, right? So that's kind of an interesting feature that I thought was cool to differentiate it. And bring it in, I want all of us to test our body fat. Did they tell you the price of the shoes when it's going to hit the market, like how much? Yeah, like upwards of like $7.99 to $1,000. What? There you go if you're really into that shit It's it they're really just catering to that

Starting point is 00:28:30 Sneaker head kind of market right? Well, that's me, but that's fucking insane though. It is still insane How much are Yeezy's in all that like well? Yeah, you know, yeah So I've spent a lot more than that on a pair of shoes, but those have different types of value, right? But although the first edition of those will probably be worth that. It would be smart to probably invest in these 700. Sounds crazy. I know someone thinks that's probably nuts to invest in. But it might be crazy to buy them like, wear them out and shoot.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Well, what makes what makes those special is because it's like a first addition, like obviously that if they keep selling them for 700 and something going down the road, it'd be tough for I think to continue to get that price range. But you pay for Yeezy's. A lot of what you're paying for is that first collaboration. So like I have the original Yeezy's with Nike and they're worth a lot of money because he's no longer with Nike's with Adidas. So you know, it's like when a baseball player after they retire and shit like that and they were fucking they have all kinds of records. Baseball card goes up. It's a similar type of market. But that's a lot of money for a new shoe like this.

Starting point is 00:29:28 That's crazy. That's per shoe. Yeah. Right now I could save some money. You're good. You got one right now, half off right now, right? I, what's cool to me is that you see kind of how the fitness industry moves in terms of what they're talking about.

Starting point is 00:29:41 And then you can pretty much predict that there's gonna be products around that. Like you said, sleep. Yeah. And then I can pretty much predict that there's gonna be products around that. Like you said, sleep. Yeah. And then I would assume meditation. Did you see someone meditation? Yes. So this, I was kind of mentioning Newcomme.

Starting point is 00:29:51 And they, they were just doing like celebrities and people at VIP. And so we were able to kind of sneak our way in there. And we, we got a 20 minute session. And so what is it? So they have like a GABA cream I guess to To basically like put like underneath your your chin on your neck right about here, okay, right? And so basically like you get these like

Starting point is 00:30:16 Whatever you call it like nightshade So you don't have any it blocks out all the the light and everything and then you you listen to ambient sort of it blocks out all the light and everything, and then you listen to ambient sort of music, and each one of it is specifically tailored to get you into that theta state. So, and then you're kind of laying back on this recliner, and they put like a blanket over you. Anyways, so we're doing like 20 minutes of this,

Starting point is 00:30:41 and like with the technology, what they're trying to do is basically, you know, like speed the process up to get you to that meditative state. And I was like, yeah, whatever, like I've heard that before I've done brain of them, you know, I've done all these other things that have helped me to sort of calm and get to that, you know, parasympathetic state. And so I was like, cool, cause the way he was kind of pitching it was, you know, people that are sleep deprived or like, you know, you're traveling

Starting point is 00:31:08 and all these kinds of things like you're being able to feel recovered. And then you're gonna get up and feel a little bit sharper but like relaxed and this and that, which, you know, probably would have been the case, however, my adrenaline was so high, I was so sleep deprived, you know, the night before we set off like the fire alarm,

Starting point is 00:31:24 like shit was just like chaotic. And so we got like two or three hours of sleep. Anyway, that's another story. But so we were just like running on fumes. And we just finally, we were like told our body we could rest. And so we both were like, like I wasn't asleep mentally, but my body was just completely out. Like I was out quick too.

Starting point is 00:31:47 It was like, it was crazy. It was like a weird sensation. And then I got out and we're walking, and I'm like, oh my God, how you feel? He's like, I'm like way too chill. You know, I'm like, I'm trying to like muster up some energy to keep going. And we thought that like, okay,

Starting point is 00:32:03 we'll start kind of reclaiming our energy as we go and kind of do this like, no. It never came back, dude. Like, we literally were, we were gonna go out and gamble, like meet some people network and do all kinds of stuff, did we? We could barely even muster energy to go out to like eat, get something downstairs. Wow. We were just like, don't. Now, how did it compare? Because we're all, we talked, I mean, it's been a while since we've talked about Brain FM, but we all love Brain FM. We all utilize Brain FM. I was using Brain FM last night.

Starting point is 00:32:31 Yeah. So, how does it compare to that? I think that the, as far as the sound was similar, but like the patterns were different, like it was a lot more ambient noise than one that I had. So it had a little bit of a different sort of structure to it, but the feeling was completely different. I think it was the gamma cream or whatever they used.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Gabbah, I mean, yeah. So that, it's an inhibitory neurotransmitter, I believe. And so alcohol releases Gabbah. I think cannabis can release GABA, so it's just relaxing. But if you have a lot of GABA in your brain, it'll probably make you feel sleepy and drowsy. Yes, I imagine that if I were to add the brain of FEMM and then the GABA cream at the same time, it probably been similar.

Starting point is 00:33:24 Makes me interested. I'm going to order some GABA cream. You same time. It probably been similar. It makes me interested. I'm gonna order some. It was free. It was free. You could just get the central nervous system. I think so. It's a present. So that might have been why you felt so sleepy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Yeah. It was like, it was very powerful. So, but it's crazy that they made a cream because it's hard to get GABA to cross the blood brain barrier. So they give you a cream, which means it's transdermal somehow, but I don't, I mean, how, you know, how's it penetrating? There's gotta be something else too, I'm like, the learning mechanism there.

Starting point is 00:33:54 Yeah, so that's the thing. I don't really know, like we didn't get the full breakdown of, you know, the engineering that went behind it and, you know, in the start of the day of the company. Newcom, so in you, you, com, yeah, so, but very fascinating. I mean, I guess it's getting a lot of praise within, you know, the tech community and everything.

Starting point is 00:34:13 And then, I mean, we just, were those your favorite, or did you have any that we, those were two good ones. You know what? Like, I thought that VR was kind of like this buzz thing that was like super gimmicky and like, you know, it was kind of overhyped. And then I actually tried, you know, a few of them. And I gotta say, dude, it was so much fucking fun. Like that was like, I saw the one you're like,

Starting point is 00:34:37 I saw the one you're laying down like an airplane or a flying bird or whatever, fuck you were like, what were you doing? So that one, specifically, they're in the fitness space, and they were trying to kind of make a game that you basically are flying, almost like a, you know, one of those gliders through the brings and stuff,

Starting point is 00:34:56 and it's kind of like, remember when we did the neural feedback down with Dr. Andrew Hill, and he had that. So it's like, but this one's like, you're involved. Like, you're immersed in this, you're flying. And so being in that kind of a position too, so their angle with it is that you're basically in some sort of a plank.

Starting point is 00:35:15 So you're stabilizing your core with your core. Exercising the whole time. You actually feel like you were working that harder? Was it? No, because the thing is, when you go to turn and rotate and so it rotates your whole body, and you're just focused on trying to get to that place that you need to get to get the points.

Starting point is 00:35:34 And so it was cool because I'm just competitive, I'm a gamer and everything, so I just had fun doing that. And I could see how initially you could argue that it did something for my core, like maybe strengthen me just in that position, but you know, they're gonna run into that wall of like, okay, now all that is irrelevant. When VR gets really good and cheap,

Starting point is 00:35:59 that's gonna change so much stuff. But, okay, there's the opposite of this, is where it was really stupid. I saw this company that was basically recreating you going into a gym. So, you're going into a fake gym and like, basically exercising. And I'm like, why don't you just go to a real gym? You know, like this is so dumb. Like, why do I care about going to a gym and lifting things

Starting point is 00:36:28 and it's not even real? Like pretending to work out. Like pretending. Yeah, it was so funny. Because like, because they can make you really strong and be like, well, I could bitch 500 pounds. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I was like, this is ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:36:39 Like it was funny, but. You know what, I'm sure some people will be into it. But you know, if you think about it, like there's gonna be a lot of people that want to do that. Like, why would you want to hand it? Fitness people, and why would you want to hand glide in VR when you can hand glide for real? Or why would you want to have sex with VR porn

Starting point is 00:36:53 when you could have real sex, I think. Man, where was that? I was trying to find the VR porn. I can find it. I can see, think of how many people, okay? In our career that we've met, that we're very intimidated to go to the gym. Yeah. How less intimidating is it if you could very intimidated to go to the gym. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:05 How less intimidating is it if you could go pretend to go to the gym in VR world. You know, and you have your VR, there's an argument that your VR trainer comes over and says, come on over here, Susie, don't be intimidated by the way. Oh my God, you're looking good today, right? You know, it does dumbbells up.

Starting point is 00:37:18 We're gonna do some of these fly. Yep, great job. Well, everybody's fatter than me in this gym. Yeah, everybody's shaping out of breath. Well, look at Johnson over here. He's really doggin' it today. I'm the most fit person in here, I don't even know. Oh, that's cool.

Starting point is 00:37:30 That's cool, but you didn't find the VR porn, huh? No, I was, that's stupid. I know, it's funny. I like to look at your sport. I would first sure expect that to, of course you are. Just because it would be funny. Yeah, yeah, that's why I am. Yeah, that's very recent.

Starting point is 00:37:41 That's totally the main reason. And awesome. You gotta go behind the curtain. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's probably, it's probably like in the underground totally the main reason. And awesome. You gotta go behind the curtain. Yeah. Yeah, there's probably, it's probably in the underground the basement. Put this on real quick.

Starting point is 00:37:48 It's all the real creeps. Mm-hmm. So, but yeah, no, I met, I met a lot of really cool people, a lot of real innovative ideas and made some good contacts. So, I had a good time. It just goes to show you the difference in size between the industries. Like, you have, we went to fucking huge.

Starting point is 00:38:04 Yeah, because we went to the LA Fit Expo, which is the largest, one of the largest ones, right? Yeah, yeah, it's up there. Okay. So it's one of the largest ones, but it's Pales in comparison to a tech one, right? Which we got, we really got lost. Like even when we got to the fitness one,

Starting point is 00:38:21 like we couldn't remember exactly where we entered. Like we got turned around at least four or five times. It was crazy. Wow. Yeah, I mean, there was just so much cool shit in there. I couldn't even take it all in. We tried so hard to hit every booth. So everybody was breaking down for the day and they were leaving and we're just trying

Starting point is 00:38:44 to capture as many people as we could and stayed there and basically tell the lights. Now, how do they get, because I noticed, if it exposes, their goal is to get your attention. And the way they do it, if the fitness exposes is usually girls that are half naked, loud music, or they're throwing t-shirts, or like one of the booths had a,

Starting point is 00:39:03 looked like a formula one car and the bushes out on the Y but people would pose in front of it. What are they doing there to get attention? Is it they're they're building out there like they're putting a ton of money into their actual like their booths so it becomes an experience on its own But there was a little bit of, you know, the girl thing, if you went on the other, the convention center, like they had, you know, it's a lot of peacocking. Like there's some companies that were obnoxious and, you know, and they had like, like there's this like ridiculous RV that had like a trailer and like a truck and that was like, had to be worth at least a million, you know, each like these things were just absurd.

Starting point is 00:39:48 What's in the RV? Was it just big? It's just big. It looked like, you know, look like a Bentley, you know, like it's just those like had everything like luxurious. Like, I actually, we took some footage you guys will see, but like, I mean, it had like the most pimple, like, couch in there with a flat screen and then, like, kitchen and then in the back, you got this, like, mirror and rotating bed and the, like, a helicopter flies on top of it. You know what I'm saying? I was like, what was this is made for mind pump? What's the point of it? What would they're trying to market that or sell that?

Starting point is 00:40:20 Like, what? Yeah, they're trying to market and like get get people's interest because like I guess like that's where you know your tech millionaire type characters are hanging out so that's how they go to burn them yeah right that's how you long musk goes that's how I like to go right there yeah that's how I want to go anywhere yeah that's so awesome but they had like the hot chick know, kind of like everywhere on that thing. And then, like, there was just, yeah, there was just one really, really creepy booth. And I was like, we looked at each other, oh my god,

Starting point is 00:40:55 like, we gotta leave, dude, this is fun, creep me out. Like, there was, it was, I think it was somewhat transhumanism that they were sort of promoting, was it? Right, so transhumanism is this whole movement to become more of a robot. Basically, yeah, you just slowly introduce chips and tech within your body. And so they had these representatives,

Starting point is 00:41:21 these models out there that were basically actresses and actors that played sort of this weird, I don't know, it reminded me a lot of Westworld on some level. So they had this kind of demeanor that was almost robotic in the way that they talked to you and everything. And I was like talking to this girl and I'm like, oh, so like what is the technology? I was like trying to get girl. And I'm like, oh, so what is the technology? I was like trying to get like information from her before I went inside the booth and everything. And she just was like really like wouldn't give me

Starting point is 00:41:54 any information and was just like really weird knockers. She's like, I don't know what I'm just supposed to have in your robot. Yeah, like if you're gonna be sexy and new and me and I was like, you're creeping me out and new and I'm like you're creeping out Did you not go in there? No, and they had like people in the outside like so I did some research later I guess they're they're promoting some kind of technology where you put like chips in your spine and it's that's on safe Right and like you just admit some kind of pheromone and like be more attractive. Oh my god some creepy shit. What?

Starting point is 00:42:26 Yes, that sounds interesting. Yes, and there's a documentary on Netflix that's coming out with that that's like It's like a sci-fi show, but it's like highlighting their technology. So I thought that was like oh wow what the length that man will go Did and it was it was just it's one of those things you just like, Do you guys think we're around the corner from this? Do you think we're around the corner from like half human, half freaking robot? You think they're gonna start seeing more? I think it's happening already, but I mean like it's not commercial.

Starting point is 00:42:54 It's still really funky. Yeah, I think that robots are way clunky. I think the technology will first be applied to like people who want to become able-bodied. So, you know, if you have have paralyzed or you have a limb, that you're missing a limb or you're blind or whatever, that's already starting to happen with certain types of technology,

Starting point is 00:43:14 and that'll get accepted really quick when it's gonna get weird is when normal, healthy people enhance things. Yeah, and that'll be more of a moral issue than anything. I bet you people want laws against that. You imagine if, imagine this, imagine if somebody could implant some kind of a, you know, a lens into their eye and now they have like, binocular vision.

Starting point is 00:43:35 Ah, black hair. You know what I mean? That might make you, that might make you a little bit uncomfortable knowing that the, the dude over there is cheering into your room. Right, you can be, yeah, he can be, yeah, he can totally be way far away. He's creeping on you.

Starting point is 00:43:46 Or, you know, the chip that gives you like where you can access the internet through thought. Like, that would suck. I mean, that's kind of, they were getting in that direction of like long jevy, like, you know, you're gonna live forever in the internet and all that and like, we're gonna download your consciousness. So you know where the real, the real question of that is, and this is something that they cannot answer, and I don't think you'll ever be able to answer.

Starting point is 00:44:08 Let's say we could take your consciousness and you know download it to a computer. Is that really you or is it a perfect copy of you? We would never fucking know not even the copy of you would know because it would still be you would you still feel it right? But is it just a perfect copy of you? Yeah, we'd never know that it'd be so that's one of those things That's just I don't know but good luck with mind boggling. Yeah, yeah mind bottling what movies that where he says that my mind is bottled Is that what that is? It's not it's actually mind boggle. Yeah, I was watching modern you guys watch modern family at all Yeah, they make fun of the girl the Colombian girl when she did her accent. And she brought it up there just the episode I was watching the other day, she brings it up like, what do I miss up?

Starting point is 00:44:50 Yeah, she's hot dude. Yeah, it's like, oh my God, yeah. She's attractive. Her and isn't she with that one dude, that like from Magic Mike? Yeah. What? Say what?

Starting point is 00:45:00 I know that. It's my guy. I know that's still as moves. This was a conversation you treated out we're having last night, literally. So she we are talking about talk about a good looking couple Well, yeah, I was talking about how that's important looking she was and that's not great. She's I think like late 40s now And she's like, yeah, no, she's dating the guy from magic might and I was like you chaining chaining whatever's name is and she's like No, no, no, the silver head one the other one dude the other guy. Yeah, what's his name dude?

Starting point is 00:45:26 Joe oh Joe munch munch munch and yellow It's my cousin. Oh, it's your seat time brother. No somebody actually told me that That I look like him. Yeah, he's a handsome guy that is dark. I was like, oh my god I look like him somebody Guys like I've been god, I look like Everybody I've been told that I look like a super man. No, nobody told me everybody tells more like the Weezy bro somebody wanted to tell me Nobody told me though

Starting point is 00:45:54 Luigi yeah, he's six five me some off fuck me. He's homeboy six five. Yeah, I just looked him up He's big. Yeah, big boy. That sucks He doesn't like she's from down on it. She don't look petite's big. Yeah. Big boy. That sucks. He doesn't like thunder from down on it. She don't look petite to me. Bro, this is the kind of guy. This is the kind of man. She's got some good, you know.

Starting point is 00:46:10 That in a tribe, he's like, he's the guy that gets all the women. You know what I mean? A guy like this, if you're in a tribe with a good luck, you're screwed. Yeah. Basically hang out with him, so you can, just like, hey, you mind if I get the other ones. Yeah, I have a little try.

Starting point is 00:46:22 Right, right. Nope. Hey, I believe we have some stuff from Thrive, yeah. Whoa, look at that. We do. From Thrive. Is this, who's got, what we got going on here, Douglas? Today is just an order to demonstrate

Starting point is 00:46:34 there's many things at Thrive you may not be aware of. Oh, cool. Ooh, I like that. I already was already feeling like that on our regular orders, man. Yeah. Every time you order something, I'm surprised you're inside your information right here.

Starting point is 00:46:45 Well, they're starting to remind me of like a organic Costco. Yeah. I kind of feel like that, right? That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing. 100%. So I think a lot of people think, oh, thrive market, it's a place where you get food.

Starting point is 00:47:01 Or you can get... Bosu ball? Yeah. Oh, shoot. Oh, no, exercise. Physioball. Yeah, fuck. Oh, good call, I need Yeah. Oh shoot. Oh no exercise. A fizzial ball. Fizzial ball. Yeah. Oh good call. And you get caught. I mean it's because you're dog. Yes, because bit bit bitly ate it. A little warning for you guys when Bentley comes in, you do not want any balls around because

Starting point is 00:47:18 I'll come I'll zip mine up. Yeah, he gets it's weird. That's a non-GMO f Physioball. Yeah, they include a pump. Oh, comes with a pump, too. There's a penis pump out of there. There it is. Looks like that. Okay, this next thing I got was, I thought, useful for families because I have a daughter

Starting point is 00:47:36 and she takes a school lunch and I like to give her something quality to eat, but I don't like to put it in plastic. So what this is is made out of recycled bottles first off. What? Insulated bag. Check that out. Just pass it around here. I'm seeing that goes. Huh. This is cool. And then what you put inside. It's a lunch tote. Is a stainless steel bento box type. Oh, that's great. Look at that. Awesome. Stainless steel. Yeah. And they also have an ice pack that goes along with it.

Starting point is 00:48:05 Again, made from recycled plastic bottles. I think this is pretty awesome for anybody who wants to. Wow, this is really cool. Give their kid something that's not gonna leak BPA. They do sell a lot of shit. I did not go on there and look up the section. Is that was the order this week? Thank you, Doug.

Starting point is 00:48:22 This little lunch tote is actually kind of stylish too. Dude, I like this. Yeah. Through the ice pack in there and boom. You know, and it's like set to where you could probably fit to maybe three of those things that you have Doug, which is more realistic, right? For the average person instead of like the six pack bags.

Starting point is 00:48:37 This is like the normal human's version of the six pack bags. Yeah. It's the same, but probably a reasonable lunch guy. Probably better quality because their stuff really sucked when they first came out. It's gotten a little bit better, but I think I've gone through like six six pack bags. It must not want to be affiliated with us. No, that's what they get, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:48:56 I want to fill you with it, text some shit about your company. Told you. I did reach out to them a long time ago. I'm gonna fuck them. Bird. This quaz brought to you by Organify. He did reach out to them a long time ago. I'm to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout. First up, Nick Ford Health. Will you guys do a peer water fast or a black coffee slash water fast?

Starting point is 00:49:40 I'm attempting to do a 48 hour fast this week and we'd love to hear more about your strategy. We are going to do a fast starting. Now we're recording this on a Thursday. And is airing tomorrow, which will be when we're starting the fast. So when this airs, that will be the first day of what I hope to be a 72 hour fast. My goal is three days, but I've already told myself

Starting point is 00:50:04 that I could buckle it too. Oh, you've already gave yourself an out. I gave myself an out because the same way I coach and teach people that are trying to extend their fast is I've never done a two day fast. So to try and stretch to three days. Do you ever done a two even? No, no, two, yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:18 So I'm gonna be happy. If I can get two full days, I'll be happy. I'm gonna obviously go for three. So maybe by day two, I'm already used to not having any food. Yeah. So you've done a three day, right? I've done three before. I've only done two, two day also. Oh, really? Yep. And you know what I noticed after the second day, and you might notice this too, Adam, except I've heard other people say this is that the first day was actually hard. After the second day, I'm like, I can do this forever. That's kind of how I feel it might happen. I'm ready for that. I'm ready for that.

Starting point is 00:50:45 So that's the goal is to go three if I feel that way, but if I don't feel that way, then I'm willing to throw the towel in it. So do you guys have any strategies or anything you're going to do? I just hydrate. It reminds me of when I get ready for a show, obviously I'm not restricting to nothing. I'm still eating something, but when you start to restrict like that, it's challenging no matter what So water and gum is like my my go-to man. You can't have gum. Why can't I have gum? It doesn't it because then it doesn't count That's a bullshit fucking theory. It's true. That's a bullshit. There. I'll be chewing gum and

Starting point is 00:51:16 Just kidding. He's a man. He's a Maccure That bullshit. Yeah, actually Ronda Patrick now. Ronda Patrick says that anything but water is considered breaking. I know. I know. That's why I'm like, I don't know. I've done it with cars.

Starting point is 00:51:32 So there's the fasting. Here's the deal with that. I'll make this clear on the show. This is not arguing with Rhonda Patrick. What I would argue though is that the difference as far as the benefits, the health benefits that you'll get from restricting to just water and chewing gum is fucking not that big of a difference than somebody who went and did nothing whatsoever, right? So if you went three days, no water, no gum, no coffee, no anything versus somebody who went there and had water and gum to

Starting point is 00:52:00 kind of help keep their mind fucking the health benefits to the two are going to be pretty damn fucking cool now you now it's the funny thing about that is you're you're actually probably right the there's something called the fasting mimicking diet which is advocated by dr. Walter Longo and this is a five day sub low calorie diet where you're eating something like five or 600 calories a day. And it's mostly fat, very, very little protein and no carbohydrates. And what he's finding in his studies is that they are getting what seems to be equivalent benefits to a traditional

Starting point is 00:52:44 just straight up water fast. So that just confirms my point that it's like, those people are getting calories even. So if you're somebody who's restricting to just pure water coffee or, you know, you're really spooned in the hair. I'm wondering if the gum might actually make you more hungry though. No, well, I mean, no.

Starting point is 00:53:00 You used it when you died when you died, right? It helps because it's keeping my mouth busy. That's what the water thing, like the water thing too. I mean, it helps to just keep it busy. If you keep it busy where you're constantly drinking, sipping something, or you're chewing gum, trust me, this is not my first rodeo. Restricting to the level that I had to restrict

Starting point is 00:53:19 to get it on fucking stage ready, let me tell you, it's, I don't think this is gonna be harder for me. Fasting for one to three days compared to dieting for a show for eight weeks. To me, that's what day and day out every day and being in a for the most part. I will not argue with that at all. I'd rather do all fucking fast for, you know, three, four days, eight weeks or 12 weeks of diet any day of the week. What do you guys, what do you notice Justin? Because you notice, Justin, because you've done the longest fast,

Starting point is 00:53:47 and I think you've probably done them more frequently, because I've done 24 and 48, but I only did a 48 once. How many times have you done? I've done the prolonged ones. The prolonged ones, so if I, I've only done probably the prolonged ones twice, so if I've done two three day fast before and I've also done like 24 hour fast like a few times,

Starting point is 00:54:10 previous to that. So that's how I kind of started this. And then, you know, if you count, well, basically I've restructured the entire way I eat after I started doing the 24 hour fast because it was like so profound for me personally. And so me going through the three hour fast because it was so profound for me personally. And so me going through the three day fast, what I noticed the most is that, yeah, the first days,

Starting point is 00:54:32 especially if I've been eating breakfast consistently, I notice in the morning, it's like, oh my God, it's a little bit like, you get those pain, the hunger pains a little bit, and then you kind of work your way through that. But for me, I just have to stay busy. And then towards the end of the day, it starts to calm down as long as I'm hydrating pretty consistently when I need it.

Starting point is 00:54:51 But then my mental clarity, my sharpness starts to kick in and then the next day I get more energetic and then I start really thinking really clear. And so by the third day, I'm just like very sharp. And I'm not really thinking about food at that point. And then it's like, I have to reintroduce food almost like that's kind of a chore. So yeah, it's interesting. You know, be cool is if we all have a similar experience as that, how to try and test, like one of our retreats, where we get away, where we lead up to that in a fast, like we're already fasted for a day,

Starting point is 00:55:27 day two beyond fire. Bro, your mind is, it's pretty, your Justin's right. I experienced the same thing with the 48 hour fast. My mind was very, wouldn't that be cool though if we did that then? If we all have that same experience, and we all agree that that's how we feel, I would love to challenge us where it's like,

Starting point is 00:55:42 okay, we know we're leaving, like let's say on Saturday, let's fast Friday, so when we get there Saturday We're already on the second day being fasted work for that whole day Maybe the third day is a second day or third day we're there then we eat or what about that enjoy a big feast after we've got down on I bet you're right, dude. I bet you would be all in fire in animal studies 72 hour fast. I can't remember which animals they used regenerated the entire immune system. I remember when you first talked about that and somebody tried to fucking get all but no like so all the immune cells you know start to die off and replace themselves with new immune cells. Not while you're

Starting point is 00:56:16 fasting this happens during the refeeding process when stem cells are turned on and then they read they turn into new cells to replace kind of the old ones. And then there was a study that was done and this was published in medical journals on patients with chemotherapy. They had them do a 72 hour fast prior to chemotherapy. And the fasting, what they're saying is that fasting turns on a system in the body where the body then starts to recognize these cancer cells and starts to kill them. So that's cool, right?

Starting point is 00:56:50 They did the fast did the chemo killed way more cancer with less chemo but the part that they did not anticipate was that fasting actually reduced the damage from the chemo on healthy cells. Like it it's fucking weird when you think about it. Because you expect it to do the same thing for all the cells, but in reality, it's protecting the healthy cells and weakening, you know, the sick cells. And when you start to realize that fasting is not,

Starting point is 00:57:19 I mean, we're using it as a technique and all that stuff. But in reality, it's just another operating system that we do not harness anymore. It's like you give your body a chance to really work internally. Like you just allowing, instead of it, prioritizing the digestive process and all the mechanisms that go with that.

Starting point is 00:57:38 Like now, now they have free reign to kind of like go throughout your body and identify problematic Cells well, I do want to point out though that we all agree on this and we wrote a we wrote a whole guide on fasting, right? So we offer a guide, but yet at the same time I'll tell you that I don't recommend fasting to everybody because I also think that there's levels to this and More the majority of people I hear that are doing it are doing it because somebody else has attached it

Starting point is 00:58:08 to fat loss or attached it to some of the benefits. And so people are going into it like, oh, I heard fastens a great way to lose some body fat. Like that should not be your main driver to do a fast. Like we are searching for the health benefits and it should be something intermittently thrown into your routine. And I think I highly recommend that you have a good understanding of your body's baseline first and where you're

Starting point is 00:58:32 at your caloric maintenance before you start restricting and taking away. Because otherwise, it can really quickly lead to an eating disorder in itself. And I've seen that relation. And I've seen this happen. I've seen people that I meet, they're, oh, I fast every day. And this is not, it's like, oh, so it works so well for me. I've lost all this weight. And it's like, ah, it's not the reason why you should be doing this.

Starting point is 00:58:52 No, the way I look at fasting now is different than the way I looked at it in the past in that. I think, if I'm going to make a prediction with fasting, I think what'll happen is people are going to use it periodically like this. Like once every three months or twice a year, I do a five day fast or something like that. I don't necessarily think the everyday fast type of thing is necessarily going to be what people are going to do. I think it's just going to tap gonna tap into it, you know, once or twice a year, kill off old cells, you know, stimulate stem cells,

Starting point is 00:59:34 regenerate parts of my body. Do you know that your your organs shrink when you fast? Your liver in particular will shrink as you're fasting. You fill your stomach shrink for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it does I mean, literally like your liver starts to, like it literally starts to shrink, like some of it gets metabolized by the body. And then when you refeed, it rebuilds, but with better function. It's just another operating system. And we've totally, it's funny

Starting point is 00:59:58 because we've done it on accident as humans. Like we're like, oh shit, we need to solve, you know, starvation and hunger to the point where we don't realize that we've, oh shit, we need to solve starvation and hunger to the point where we don't realize that we're not living the way the body lives optimally. We're shedding down a vital component that really benefits us. I think, out of all the natural things you could do besides just leading a healthy life, the single act of utilizing fast things, probably one of the most anti-cancer things that I can think of

Starting point is 01:00:26 just based off of the current literature. It's pretty awesome. For me personally, my experience with the 48 hour fast, the reason why I did it was I was having really, really bad gut issues and when I came out of the 48 hour fast, I did the, you know, the parasite cleanse and all that stuff. Yeah. And it was such a dramatic reversal of how I felt,

Starting point is 01:00:46 how my gut had been feeling for months, that it really blew me away. So I'm really interested to see how I feel after this fast, because I know in particular for the gut, it's a good thing, because the gut regenerates cells so quickly, I would imagine that fast thing would probably cause that to happen much faster. So...

Starting point is 01:01:04 Next question is from Bonica Zalisa. Bonica! Why do you guys interview Crossfitters when you guys are against it? Can't tell if you support it, want to see their side and try to understand it better or call them out on the show. It's so funny when people say this because... Yeah, why would we do that? We are not against Crossfitters at all. I think we've said since very beginning that I've got quite a few buddies that own places,

Starting point is 01:01:31 I've got a lot of friends that are into it. We just don't promote it the same way that a lot of people that own boxes promote the modality. They promote it like a great way to be healthy and getting great shape and I disagree with that. I disagree. I think it can be a by way to be healthy and getting great shape. And I disagree with that. I disagree. I think it can be a byproduct to that. I think a basketball player, a football player, a baseball player can get in shape and can possibly be healthy because they play a sport. But I don't think that

Starting point is 01:01:56 that if the 80-90% of the population came to me and said, Adam, I'm looking to get in shape. I wouldn't recommend them baseball. I wouldn't recommend them soccer. I wouldn't recommend them football as a way of doing that. Nor would I recommend CrossFit. So for those reasons, that's our stance on it. It doesn't mean that I have any ill will towards a badass CrossFit or somebody who is an athlete and loves the sport. I'm very, very intrigued and fascinated with the business,

Starting point is 01:02:23 but it is not a, I don't think we're against it. I don't think we're against it at all. No, the problem from day one was the programming. That was really it, and I was specifically very targeted and specific with that was using movements that should not be used in ways that they should not be used. So like, Olympic lifts and fatigue-based circuit type of programming, I think that's terrible programming.

Starting point is 01:02:50 That being said, CrossFit, and I've said this a hundred times, CrossFit did what the body building, muscle building, and fat loss community could not do. They failed. They could not, you know, CrossFit got squats and deadlifts and overhead presses to be cool And they got women to do these actually is highly effective Muscle building exercises and they made it cool for women to build muscle and they built an incredible community better than anybody else had done before fast So fast. I mean they did in ten years what like I I said, what I saw in the previous 10 that I saw on gyms and stuff, we made, we moved to the snails place, all the sudden, the crossfit

Starting point is 01:03:30 comes in, and within a short period of time, women are deadlifting, squatting, overhead pressing, everybody talks about building muscle, all of a sudden becomes cool. There's this community that the gyms lost because gyms used to have that community. It used to be that way way back in the day, I can remember going into a world gym or a gold gym and you'd walk in there. And first off, you'd have some people with a walkman, but most people didn't. Most people went in there. It was the music that was on the loudspeakers and you'd go and lift and you knew people.

Starting point is 01:04:04 Like, wait, what's up? What's going on? How's your squat going? What's that? You know, people would spot each other. There was this code where you could ask somebody to jump in and everybody was cool about it and it was this really cool atmosphere. It was also a dungeon. It was also dirty.

Starting point is 01:04:18 It was also not friendly to women. But there was this community that Jim's lost and and I saw them lose it into the point where it became that I heard people in and get them out real quick model, where people walk in, they've got their iPod or their phones plugged into their ears or whatever. Nobody's paying attention to anybody. People get pissed off if somebody asked to jump in. I can't believe that, I remember that switch,

Starting point is 01:04:44 all of a sudden, it was like, that guy's hogging the machine. I used to tell him, like, ask him if you could jump in and they could come back. He won't let me jump in. I'd be like, what the fuck is going on here? That's gym code. GIMS went downhill when it came to building a community. In comes CrossFit at the perfect time to rebuild that. And they did a great job. And I just think that, you know, my personal opinion, it just feeds into that problematic mentality that I shared with most people that get into CrossFit. It's super competitive and it just serves it up to you to, you know, just like focus completely on intensity being the only gauge that we're gonna operate off of.

Starting point is 01:05:28 And there's just more effective ways to do it. And so I think that us having people on the show, I realize where they're coming from for one. So I get it. I get it. It's fun, it's structured around. It feeds into that. like, I wanna dominate, I wanna kick ass today, I wanna be a hero.

Starting point is 01:05:50 And it feeds into that, which is great, but at the same time, there's detriment to it. And the program is one thing we highlighted. We just wanna see change. We wanna influence and see change in all these communities. So, it's not like us versus them. It's not like us versus bodybuildings, not like us versus, you know, you name it, yoga, whatever it is.

Starting point is 01:06:10 It's identifying things that we don't agree with and staying firm on that. And I don't have to subscribe to your ideas in that direction. I can respect you and your interest in like, you have good intent, you know, with what you're trying to get with your members at your gym or whatever you're doing, but I'm challenging you to think differently. That's all.

Starting point is 01:06:32 And the other part of it is it's not changing, okay? But being in fitness for 20 years, I've seen FAD and you know, just FAD come and go, come and go and they all have the same feel to them. I remember when crunch, not, excuse me, not crunch curves. I remember when curves came on the scene. Curves was this circuit training, pneumatic equipment based fitness and they were targeting women who were intimidated by gyms.

Starting point is 01:07:03 I remember the explosion of it. Fucking blew up. It It's just like we're watching with orange theory right here Orange theories got that feel and so CrossFit Had a similar feel when it started to grow and because I'd seen so many of these things come and go Automatically I'm gonna be skeptical automatically like all right. What's this new? You know quote unquote, new thing that's coming on the scene? Now, CrossFit did that, it exploded, but you're starting to see things settle,

Starting point is 01:07:33 and you're starting to see the bad stuff kind of get weeded out. I couldn't say this 10 years ago. 10 years ago, I hate to say it, but I'd walk into a lot of CrossFit gyms, and I'd see a lot of shit. A lot of a lot of shit. Not so much today. I'm starting to see now more focus on technique, exercise programming, depending on who the

Starting point is 01:07:52 coaches are, but there's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them.

Starting point is 01:08:01 There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. There's more focus on them. that especially in the games that are kicking ass the most, they understand that the specialization is something that they need to influence and change the community as a whole, like everybody needs to kind of do things differently. And you're seeing this, you're seeing people starting

Starting point is 01:08:20 to think differently, so we just want to help to foster that. I just don't subscribe any one fucking modality. Yeah, that's the thing. None. Fuck them all. You know what I'm saying? Fuck CrossFit, fuck them all. Why would you subscribe to one way of training?

Starting point is 01:08:34 It's the same thing I feel about diets. People who subscribe to one way of eating or one way of training, that's fucking elementary. There's benefits to all of it. There's been, and there's drawbacks to all of it. I mean, I'm a guy who is a pro bodybuilder. I talk shit about bodybuilding. Right. There's so much bad stuff with it, but there's some good things too. And that's really what the show has always been about is exposing that. It's just, it's really rough for people to fucking swallow because everyone's on the fucking

Starting point is 01:09:02 train right now. Everybody's so excited about it because everyone's talking about it and it's on its growth. So yeah, we look weird because we're coming out saying bad things about it, but because nobody else wants to, everyone wants to jump on the bed. Everyone wants to jump on bandwagon, right? I forget that. I am not a bandwagon guy. We forget how much we challenge bodybuilding as well. Right.

Starting point is 01:09:19 It's like, it's equal. Yes. I mean, come on. I even think it's more. It's getting more, yeah. Yeah, you guys talk. and I think we do that because we know because I was. I know, and the other thing too is I know,

Starting point is 01:09:28 I mean, I lived in that world in terms of my training and whatever. That was how I focused on it. It's to me, it's so easy, right? I look at my career and I think like how many total lives have I touched? Like, so how many total clients have ever came to me that I've gave advice for nutrition and

Starting point is 01:09:45 working out? And I asked myself, okay, so let's just say a round number for arguments say it's a thousand, but it's probably more than that. Thousand people I have talked to and helped in training over my entire 15 year career. Out of that thousand, Adam, what percentage of those do I feel fit in the category where they could be or should be in a training like a cross fitter or training at a cross fit type of a salad. How many of those people would I recommend to do a circuit based training, training program

Starting point is 01:10:15 like that? And I can't say more than 10%. I can't say more than 10%. It's for sure for me that this is me speaking my personal experience of helping normal ass people Less than 10% of them would I think even have the prerequisites to even be training in that type of a fashion? So if I'm talking to the masses on this show knowing damn well that a majority of you have no fucking business in there And I got no problem standing behind that because I've been doing this for a really long time Now that's not to say whoever's listening to this right now that's offended

Starting point is 01:10:47 by it, maybe you're somebody who fits in that 10%. Maybe you are a fucking super athlete. Maybe you got incredible mechanics. Maybe you love the shit out of the programming and it works really well for your body and you're not doing a bunch of damage to yourself. Guess what? That's cool. You fit in that 10%. I'm not talking to all of you. I'm talking to the majority of people and a majority of the people They have not put in the work to be doing exercises like a snatch or a clean. Oh, they just are not there They're not gonna get there and fucking the first month of intro training for your crossfit box You know how long it takes to learn how to do a snatch properly for the average person like a year

Starting point is 01:11:22 Yeah, at least like it takes a long time to learn how to do that exercise. Do you guys think the hype surrounding CrossFit has started to, it feels like a dying time. Now big time. Big time dying. I think they've hit their, they might have hit their, and even the guys in the top of it know that too. We talked to them all the time.

Starting point is 01:11:39 They know what's happening is every Jane or Joe saw that there was a way to make money opening these boxes. And so they're on every corner. And the cream is rising to the top now. The guys that are been in fitness for 10 plus years. By the way, okay, off air, agree with everything we're saying, even the even the biggest cross fit fucking guys that's attached themselves to it and have 10 gyms or more, agree with the same problems that we talk about right here. The only difference is that's their business and they got to make money doing it, so they're trying to solve that problem every day.

Starting point is 01:12:11 Yeah. We're just trying to let you know as a consumer that buyer beware what you're signing up for and that may not be the best thing for you. There's probably something in fact, there's probably something out there that is better for your body and to figure that out. And there is not one one way of training or one way that you guys see. You guys see orange theory now hitting that that same way. No, no, orange theory is still on a rock.

Starting point is 01:12:32 No, I don't think they're they're crested yet, but it sounds feels like they're the no hundred percent. They were hundred percent. There's no doubt in my mind. It's funny because I never heard the name. Well, when you went, okay, here's the deal. When you understand the science, okay, behind something like that, you get it. All the bells and the whistles and the gimmicks don't close me on it being long term staying around forever. It just won't because you know why somebody else will come around with something more gimmicky, more cool, more fun for less money. That's like it, but different. That's

Starting point is 01:13:01 bound to happen. And then it'll just be this constantly competing for something that's really not revolutionary they had they have attached themselves to epoch are you kidding me yeah that science is fucking so old and dead like that we've already seen enough studies on that to prove there's not that much of a difference between so it's so but they st if you attach yourself to something a science like that and you've completely built a brand around that by coloring it a certain way and putting heart rate monitors on somebody. Sure. I think a lot of people that are gravitating are the same people that gravitate towards CrossFit. They love the competitive, competitive atmosphere. They love the energy of it.

Starting point is 01:13:37 Just want something safer. They like to. Yes. They feel it's a little bit safer. You they have the intimate value of it's almost like I have a personal trainer because I'm only sharing him with 15 other people. So it's not quite like it's a huge group or like he doesn't seeming because it's in a big gym. I feel like I get to talk to Adam and he's kind of my coach but I don't have to pay for him for $150 an hour. Those are the people that are driving to these facilities

Starting point is 01:13:58 but when they start to look at the percentages, how many of these people are actually seeing long-term results. Like they actually got in the best shape of their life and they maintain that for the rest of their life. The maintaining part. When you look at the increase in injuries on both CrossFit and Orange Theory, it's ridiculous. Because when you do these type of movements

Starting point is 01:14:14 that your body is not ready or capable of doing and you do them repetitively and you do them in a high intensity fashion, you're looking for, it's a recipe for disaster. So that's where we, I'm off my soap box now. You got me all fired up. I'm going to get a little bit of a rant. We haven't talked about cross.

Starting point is 01:14:29 Yeah. In a while. Next up is from Peyton Cannon. Any tips for Shin Splintz rehab? He works in law enforcement and serves in the military. So his days off are limited to one or two days at a time. Shin Splintz pain in the ass. They probably one of the most common ice cream lot.

Starting point is 01:14:51 Did you really? Yeah, and I'm running ends the way to go. Right. I don't get them at all anymore. Yeah. And the biggest game changer for me was ankle mobility. Combat stretch. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:01 Ankle mobility addressing ankle mobility completely. Change the game for me completely And I did my whole life as a kid because I played basketball played soccer and I just thought this was came with a territory and that hard surface Yeah, I remember practicing when in Chicago when it would get cold and like the the ground got really hard Oh my god, it was painful you get these shin splints that run around in practice and once you get them Man, it's it's it's a monster to get rid of them. What's funny about shin splints is, because the way we used to treat them back in the day was, rest, you know, ice, put, you know, tape around your calf or whatever and your ankle and then, you know, hope it gets better.

Starting point is 01:15:42 And they never do. Shin splints are just the result of poor recruitment pattern and muscle know, hope it gets better. And they never do. Shinsplints are just the result of poor recruitment pattern and muscle imbalance, just like most chronic problems. Now, back in the day, it's like golfers elbow in your shin. Yeah, exactly. Back in the day, you go and say, I have shinsplints that are like,

Starting point is 01:15:56 oh, maybe your shoes are just worn and when you get you better shoes are for reals. This was like, in fact, if you... Get yourself some Dr. Sholes. In fact, Dr. Sholes still exist. fact, Dr. Shulls still exists. Yeah, of course. Kill the gills. Yes, it feels good.

Starting point is 01:16:09 Yeah, wow. I think of that. Because, you know, until this day, in fact, if you Google Shinsplans, they'll put on their, you know, poor bad shoes is one of the causes, which is hilarious. One of the easiest fixes I ever found for clients, and I kind of you know

Starting point is 01:16:28 Stumbled upon this and after I learned the science and it makes perfect sense. Why it worked But people would tell me I have shin splints out. I can't do lots of walking or I can't do lots of running or hiking What do I do and I just looked and said okay? The pain is in the front of your shin obviously Let's just strengthen your tb Alice muscle and see what happens and it fucking worked so well Like I don't think I had a single person who came to me because shin splints are super common I don't think I had a single person who came to me with shin splints that didn't that it didn't fix their problem Just strengthening the tibial so the tibialis muscles on the front of the shin It's the muscle that lifts your foot and your toes

Starting point is 01:17:02 So it's the opposite of your calf muscle, which points your toes. And what you want to do is you can stand on, you can actually do this on a flat surface and just lift your feet up off the floor through balancing your knee heels, drop your feet back down, and just repeat that for us. Do 50 taps. 50 taps. I used to do like, so one of the things that I would have clients do is like between squats if they had shinsplints, like what you're're talking about aside from combat stretching and working on ankle mobility

Starting point is 01:17:27 They and I've thrown in their routine just normal. They would do a squad or do a leg do a machine exercise Whatever and then right afterwards they sit down and they would just do 50 taps where I make them lift their toes As high as they can with their heel on the ground 50 times. Oh, yeah Yeah, they'll be on fire and before you you know it, you'll start to train that and no strengthen it. We just don't ever train that. Nope, it's just not a good deal. There's no way, where do you go?

Starting point is 01:17:50 Where's the exercise focus on that? Actually, the reason why combat stretch, one of the reasons why combat stretch is so effective, isn't sure, part of it is that you're stretching the soleus muscle because of the way. No, the main thing is you're getting connected to the other side of that. That's the main reason I've been lifting our toes.

Starting point is 01:18:06 Because when you do the gig, exactly, when you do the combat stretch, you're supposed to stretch into it, but then lift the toes up and it's that, and you'll feel it, you'll feel it light up the whole shin, you start doing that, and then I almost everybody had completely eliminated Shin's foot. I wish somebody taught me that.

Starting point is 01:18:21 I know, because I had him as a kid. I had that in my arsenal, life would have been so much better. It's actually, no joke. It's an easy fix. Like, if you have shin splints right now, you take a little bit of time off and you do those tibialis exercises

Starting point is 01:18:34 and combat stretch where you're connecting to your tibialis within a very short period of time. I'd have clients that would do that and within a week, they're like no more shin splints. This, including many more exercises for your ankle and every other joint in your body is in our prime pro So that's another this is another example of you know if you and if we were to be on these tools in your toolbox Yeah, that's the place to go and if you don't if you don't have the money to afford a program like that that you can utilize forever You can go to the YouTube channel and you can search because within there we've already given out a ton of these different exercises and movements

Starting point is 01:19:06 that will help this for sure. Now I'll say this with pain, here's a good rule of thumb. If you injured yourself, that's something that needs time to heal. If something just hurts over a long period of time, it's usually a vast majority of time, it's the result of chronic dysfunction, chronic muscle imbalance or recruitment pattern dysfunction. So the fix isn't necessarily rest.

Starting point is 01:19:35 In fact, if you just rest pain, like, all my shoulder gets sore when I work out, and you didn't remember actually hurting it, it just kind of aches, and you rest it, it'll feel better, but it'll come right back when you go back to working out. So, if you have this kind of pain, identify the imbalance that's causing it, identify the, and all of us have it. Even if right now you don't hurt,

Starting point is 01:19:56 think of the parts of your body that tend to bother you when you're working out really hard. Everybody has it right, oh, it's my left shoulder or it's my knee or it's my, you know, my low back or my SI joint, whatever. Think of those areas that tend to bother you. Those are signals telling you that there's a recruitment pattern issue.

Starting point is 01:20:17 If you address those and you fix the recruitment pattern, not only will you reduce or eliminate that pain where it never comes back, but your performance will go through the fucking roof. Because what you need to understand is before that pain happens, before you get shin splints, before I get low back pain, even if I have no pain, I still have that dysfunction. And that dysfunction is taking away from my performance. It's means that I'm not as strong as I can be, which means I can't build as much muscle as I can build or burn as much fat as I can burn. So indirectly, but directly, correctional exercise are like, through the prime pro program,

Starting point is 01:21:06 is they'll go through it, and then they'll go back through their workouts, and they're like, I don't realize I'd get so much stronger. You know what I mean? They don't understand that that is one of the main side effects of working on these things. Next question is from Funky Spuds.

Starting point is 01:21:18 Yeah, Funky Spuds. I'm having trouble with the last four or five percent of stubborn body fat. I'm trying out ketosis for fat loss and other health benefits and wondering if I should work with a calorie deficit or if just maintenance calories in ketosis is enough. Time to back out. Time to back out and do a little mini bulk and then go right back into your deficit.

Starting point is 01:21:45 If you're at a deficit, this is a really tough question to really answer without knowing like where's your calories right now? Sure. How long have you been currently dieting right now? Did you just start the ketogenic diet? Like there's a lot of variables here that would change my advice

Starting point is 01:22:02 because you're saying go the other direction but what if this person is just now really starting? Yeah, I'm assuming when I heard this question, I'm assuming it's somebody who's lost like 15 pounds already, been in a deficit for a little while, doing cardio, doing a lot of suppress harder in the deficit. And they're like, okay, it's the last, because it reminds me of like, I've had these clients, right?

Starting point is 01:22:20 They're like, okay, the last 10 pounds I can't get off, I've lost 30. It's like I go more extreme. Yeah, I'm eating 1500 calories or whatever, I'm doing all this working out, and just 10 pounds I can't get off. I've lost 30. It's like I'm gonna go more extreme. Yeah, I'm eating 1500 calories or whatever. I'm doing all this working out. And just these last 10 won't come off. What do I do? And your answers are either make your metabolism

Starting point is 01:22:33 or boost your metabolism or cut calories even more. And I always, I typically will venture to boost the metabolism because keep cutting your calories and keep upping your exercise. That sucks and it's hard to maintain. Right, it really depends on where they're at though. I mean, if you're in a place right now where you know, and you know your body better than any of us, right?

Starting point is 01:22:52 So if you know that you're in a low, what you would consider low calorie, and you're stuck at this body weight, then absolutely I agree where Sal is going. But if you've just really started dieting and you're still consuming a healthy amount of calories, then bio means are strict. And that's going to be different for every person.

Starting point is 01:23:11 If I, this is a female and you have, you're consuming right now, 1,800 plus calories, we still have room that we could either either one restrict some more calories or two increase your movement. I would always go right that way. So I typically, you know, when I normally, if I'm switching the diet, like going from whatever you were

Starting point is 01:23:29 doing before to now doing ketogenic diet, I normally tell them to stay in a maintenance or non deficit and then just create a little bit more movement. The difference between you changing the food and you also moving a little more should result in you dropping another percentage. But, Sal is also 100% ride. If you've been in a deficit or and trying to lose body fat for more than three, four, five plus weeks and you actually haven't done like a short little surplus for a

Starting point is 01:23:56 couple of days, I would recommend that. So there's a lot of variables that come in here that would change my advice. I remember the first time I figured out that that actually worked. I was trying, I found out where I was going. I think I was going to go to Italy on vacation and I wanted to get really lean. So for a pretty long period of time, because I used to bulk in the winter. So I used to get all really heavy and then I'd try and die down. So I had to lose something like 25 pounds of body fat every year. I would do this every year.

Starting point is 01:24:26 So, but at this time I said, I'm gonna go even further and get even leaner. So I went in this deficit, I did this whole nutrition plan, I did my workouts, and I got down to a particular, you know, I don't remember how what body fat percentage I was at, but I got, you know, maybe 98%. And I looked pretty good, but I kept pushing to try to get leaner, and it just kind of wasn't happening. It took really long, and then I had a weekend where I said, you know what, I've got, you know,

Starting point is 01:24:53 a few weeks before going on this trip, I'm just gonna enjoy myself and just eat a lot of calories this weekend, and that's what I did. I ate a shit ton of calories. It turned into about five days of eating a lot of calories. And then when I went back to, you know, how I was eating before, I was like, it blew me away.

Starting point is 01:25:13 All of a sudden I got lean really fast. And I remember thinking like, this is crazy. I just went, you know, on this, you know, five day, you know, my calories were higher. Now all of a sudden I'm eating less. And like I was before, and that extra body fat or whatever just came right off. And really, it was just boosting my metabolic rate.

Starting point is 01:25:33 I mean, this is one of the reasons why we advocate for many cuts and many bulks. Rather than being eight or 12 weeks of straight deficit, you're probably better off doing this, you know, two weeks on, one week kind of off and kind of underlating your calories. In fact, the studies are now showing that that mitigates the metabolic adaptation that comes from being in a calorie deficit because when your calories are low for, you know, certain period of time, your metabolic rate will start to adapt

Starting point is 01:26:05 and you'll actually start to burn less calories, which is a shitty place to be in when you're already eating little calories, you're doing lots of cardio, and this is I think where the term stubborn comes from where you're just like, what is going on, why can't I get any leaner, I'm already eating so little.

Starting point is 01:26:20 I also think to keep things in perspective too and be very realistic about your goals and what you're trying to accomplish. I have no idea where this person's body fat percentage currently is right now. I'm assuming you're trying to get... I'm at 33% right? The last 4% will come off.

Starting point is 01:26:34 Right, right. If you're lean already and you're trying to get shredded, it's tough. Each time I found myself, and I would break it up in like 5% like a quadrants, like if you know, 20% is like the worst body fat percentage I ever had, and then if I get down to 15, then I get down to 10, and then I get down to 5, and each 5% or so, 4% or 5% that I would reduce body fat wise, took a whole new level of commitment, you know,

Starting point is 01:27:01 and or sacrifice. So, you know, and the reason why the last four or five is so challenging is there's less room for air. When you are a 30% body fat and you're trying to lose 5% body fat, you can still get away with the Snickers bar every once in a while. You can still fuck around, get pizza and you're diet every now and then you can still do a lot of things and you're diet and get away with it. And because you have such a high percent of body fat, you still got so much total body fat to lose that you could still be losing body fat and still getting away with some higher calorie foods and maybe some less days in the gym, where as you start to sharpen up,

Starting point is 01:27:39 and you get, and this is what made competing so fun for me, you know, all the way to the show date, like your level of discipline is consistently increasing. In fact, when I would start a diet, I remember each two weeks, I would always challenge, this is a new level commitment. Sometimes that new level commitment meant more movement,

Starting point is 01:27:59 more volume in my exercise, sometimes that level commitment meant sacrificing more, where I would allow certain things to be in the diet that now I'm restricting from. So keep that into perspective and keep that in mind as you think about what you're trying to do is you know be realistic with yourself that okay you're wanting to get this next level of getting shredded with that next level comes the next level of commitment. Dude we used to trip me out is when I'd get down to like the mid, high to mid, like seven, once I got down to like seven, six percent body fat,

Starting point is 01:28:31 a half a percent was very visible. Oh, God. I would drop, if I'm at 15%, I'd drop a half a percent, you can't tell. You get down to like seven, six, five, you drop a half percent, I would wake up in the morning and I'm like, dude, I'd look in the mirror and be like, oh shit, I got way leaner.

Starting point is 01:28:46 Then I'd, you know, under water way or whatever. Like, half a percent, it just changed a half a percent. And the reverse is true to that too. So if you make one little mistake, it's like you wake up the next day and you're like, fuck, I look like I got fat overnight. Like you literally feel like whatever you just ate that you know is out of your caloric maintenance, all of a sudden it just sticks to your body, because you are.

Starting point is 01:29:05 You gotta think if someone is at, like when I get sub 5% body fat for a show, I mean what's 5% of somebody who weighs 220 pounds? I mean, I'm less than 10 pounds of total fat on my body, and you want some of it still there. So there's not a lot of room for you. You add a little bit and you jump right up real quick. Do you remember some of the, like,

Starting point is 01:29:26 how your body would start to react? Was there a point where you felt like, oh, my body does not like this right now? Do you remember what that number was? Yeah, I want it with sub five. Sub five, I feel like I can, my body's very comfortable, nine to, now mind you too, I believe this changes

Starting point is 01:29:43 because I've watched it change with myself. I will used to be very comfortable around 11 to 13%. And then when I got a lot leaner and started kind of getting in and keeping myself sub 10%, I got very comfortable with being 9 to 11% body fat. Now, 7 to 10 is like this really comfortable range for me where I feel like I don't need to track anything, just be mindful of what I'm consuming,

Starting point is 01:30:09 and what I'm doing and staying in my regiment, I can maintain that body fat percentage. Anything sub five for me is fun. It's like a sport. To me, I'm looking at my body fat percentage like a game. Like this is, I actually noticed like, legit psychological changes. Like once I got down to a certain point and I started dreaming about food.

Starting point is 01:30:30 Oh yes. Yes. Fucking weird. Oh man, every show, the last, and it used to be a funny joke that Katrina I was, which she would ask me, like, are you getting the food dreams yet? Oh, so that's a legit.

Starting point is 01:30:42 Oh, that's a total. I never had food. I've never in my life. I've never total. I never had food. I've never- Bro, how the fuck dreams about food? I've never- Well, people do. Some people do. A dream of tweaking.

Starting point is 01:30:49 I've never had dreams of food until I lived in that long of a core. And it feels like you're having- You know, you have your sex dream. Oh god damn it. I'd wake up. I'd wake up. And all I'd want is like this big stack of pancakes or something. It's just my body is-

Starting point is 01:31:02 And I got cold as fuck. What the fuck? That was b- What? Wow. body is cold as fuck. That was. Wow. Calm down. Just as I have them. I got cold as hell. I'd get really, really cold. My mouth would get dry.

Starting point is 01:31:16 Like a bunch of weird shit would happen. And then after, because I got, I don't know how I think, I don't remember. I didn't get, I didn't test myself at the very end, but I got pretty shredded for, but I remember after that, I'm like, cool, I'm done. I'm gonna go eat a bunch of food. Me, myself, sick, as hell. My body could not assimilate all that food. You're, what I think it is,

Starting point is 01:31:36 is your receptors are just, it's like you flushed everything and cleaned everything, because you've been in a deficit, you're in no more body fat. I feel like everything is just ready to absorb whatever you're going to put in your mouth. That was probably for me the greatest learning experience because even though I understood the science and I knew nutrition going into it, when I started to get to a point where I was so fucking lean that the slightest bit of any food, caffeine, anything that I took, I could feel what it did to my body.

Starting point is 01:32:09 Like significantly, it really opened my eyes to like, wow, we become so oversaturated with so much shit that we put in our bodies that you don't even, like when I eat my meal today, you know, as long as it's a normal meal, I won't really feel it. I won't like, oh, you feel it when you're like, you watch your veins before your eyes,

Starting point is 01:32:30 start to come out. Yeah, I could tell the difference between a meal that had 30 grams versus 60 grams of carbohydrates, like the same carbs, they could come from the same source. Just the amount of it would make a night and day difference to how I felt, how I looked, like when I started to see that, I realized like, well, we really do just flood our body

Starting point is 01:32:51 with shit so much and totally dull these senses that are body, all these senses, sensors that our body has and signals that it tries to give us to let us know you're on the right track, you're not doing so well, that was too much, that wasn't enough. We're numb. Yeah, we're numb to track, you're not doing so well, that was too much, that wasn't enough. We're numb. Yeah, we're numb to it. We're very numb to it.

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