Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 686: Fit to Fat to Fit TV Show Review, Finding Balance With Your Fitness Practice, Mental Health Tune-Up Hacks & MORE

Episode Date: January 17, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about methods to maintain mental health, things they can't live without, why people go to extremes when first starting their fitness journey before finding balance and their thoughts on the show Fit to Fat to Fit. 72-hour fast update! Find out the guys experience during the process. (6:24) Sal talks his son’s basketball tournament, competition, confidence and growing hormones (35:06) Quah question #1 – What are your top 10 methods to maintain your mental health? What do you do to pull yourself out of depression when you feel down? (42:52) Thrive Market plug (ashwagandha drops) (51:38) Quah question #2 - What is one thing you can't live without? Not including exercise. (1:00:15) Quah question #3 – Why people go to extremes when first starting their fitness journey before finding balance? (1:07:00) Quah question #4 – What are your thoughts on the show Fit to Fat to Fit? (1:17:06) Related Links/Products Mentioned: The Five Stages of Fasting – Dr. Nikolayev [Russian Case Studies] Fasting: How Does It Affect Your Heart and Blood Pressure? THE Fasting Mimicking Diet Page Five-day fasting diet could fight disease, slow aging Organifi (MP sponsor) Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off Causes of Mental Illness Fit2Fat2Fit.com Recent developments on the role of epigenetics in obesity and metabolic disease After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight Hit Makers: The Science of Popularity in an Age of Distraction - Derek Thompson (book) Thrive Market (MP sponsor) One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more People Mentioned: Jessica Rothenberg (@thetraininghour) Instagram Valter Longo JoshDusan™ mind2_muscle (@mind2_muscle) Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan) Instagram Drew Manning (@fit2fat2fit) Instagram Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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I forgot to find out why. Find out why Adam didn't have the strength. Foul out. He did the fuck that. Then we talked about my son's basketball tournament. That was awesome. We got third place. Also, how South drugged his son was some cacao.

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$20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and free shipping. First question in this episode, what are our top 10 methods to maintain our mental health? They must not be working because we're kind of crazy usually. The next question was, what is the one thing you can't live without? Little debate here. Little debate in this subjective question.

I don't know why that was a debate. We need a more specific question. That's we need to we need to more to open and it right right. What's your thing? Things human. This way. I went this way. I got out of hand. What's your favorite color? Oh, it can't be that because I said something else. Next question. Why do you think almost everyone starts on their health and fitness churning by going extreme? Why does everybody go super crazy before they try to find? I know who to blame.

We break it down in this episode. And finally, what are our thoughts on the show fit to fat to fit? It seems to be getting good ratings. I think the guy's name is Drew, who started it. Is he really? So we talk about that episode, excuse me, that show and how it might be, it probably is a poor representation of true fitness and how it might be, it probably is a poor representation of true fitness and health.

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Wow. That doesn't make any sense. Adam, yo, you know you want it. I have hard evidence now. Oh, God, hard evidence. I'm getting hard about your evidence. You gotta do the clap It's getting hard now So you know how the toilets always getting plugged. Oh, yeah, and we're always like what the fuck yeah right? Who was it? It's clearly just it. No way you just did it again. I did it's not even plugged Yeah, I was trying to I'm trying to get rid of the streaks,

to get rid of my evidence. That's what I was doing. Hello, you know what I mean? Try and put me on, you know, front street. I go, whatever. I go in there, we're laughing, because one of the greatest, I don't think women do this. I hope they don't.

One of the greatest things about being a man, there's a few awesome things about being a guy. Let's be honest. And one of them is, if you're ever in a stall and you're pooping next to your buddy, oh God, it's good times. It's just fun conversation. It's, it's pranks.

No holds bar. It's, oh yeah, it's off the, and so he's in there and he's talking about what's going on in there. And he's like, oh, the water's not going down. Oh my God, it's off the right and so he's in there and he's talking about what's going on in there He's like oh, it's not go the water's not going down. Oh my god I'm like this guy's the one that flexed a toilet service knew it. I knew it. No, man Till the ball, you know, like goes all the way up. I was trying to rush it And that's all is happening. Yeah, so how are you guys feeling? Post-fat you guys both did the 72 I I went 48, right? Yeah, me and Justin are strong-willed.

Well, no, you know what, I told everybody, you know what I made the mistake? I did post it on my InstaStory 72 hour fast begins because we were all talking about that day. But I told you guys on the podcast last time that I had the intentions of probably going 48, maybe I'd go 72. Yeah, you gave yourself an out.

Yeah, you gave yourself an out. No, that's all good. It was your first time going on in the 24. Right, exactly. Not yourself an out. Yeah, you gave yourself a right. No, that's all good. It was your first time going longer than 24. Right. Exactly. Not only that, but what I did do and what I've continued to maintain right now. So I ate, but I had chicken broth and a bowl of brussel, which by the way, I didn't even finish the brussel sprouts because and then then later for dinner, I had a lask and cod fish on a bed of zucchini and

spinach. So I'm like still super low-cal. And I'm fasted this morning. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

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So I'm trying to stay in ketosis and just kind of ease my way in so let's back up a set Let's back up a little bit. I got a bit. Let's talk about our experiences during the fast, what you guys noticed. If you guys noticed any good, any bad, any challenges. Day one was the hardest for sure. What did you know what it was hard for about it? Well, day one, I think you're battling a lot with, am I really hungry or am I really trained myself this much

to be used to eating these regular times? And so you have this and I did, I got a little bit of a headache, I got some headaches, I had two headaches the first day, one earlier on the day when I probably hit that like 12 hour, 16 hour mark and then one towards the evening time. No, okay, so you came and then they went away? Yes, but let me tell you what I think they're from. And I watched your girls in this story and I saw she dealt with it a little bit. Now I have a theory on what minus,

what I noticed more than anything, but even today, I am fucking ultra sensitive to everything right now. Like I couldn't have my cup of coffee on the way over here. On the way over here, I had a little bit, I put a little bit of cream in my coffee, like I normally do. Oh yeah, it's powerful now.

Oh, and the cream is upsetting my stomach right now. And even when I had that chicken broth and Brussels sprouts, I couldn't finish the Brussels sprouts. There was enough ghee on there and heavy food on there, the calories on there that it really, I'm ultra sensitive. So I also noticed that when I got the headache, I had been kind of on my phone for a couple hours.

I was looking at my phone, working, emailing, writing stuff. So I think, and I remember this when I first started like using my phone a lot for this business, that I'd get these random headaches all the time, and I think it was just from looking at this screen, this small screen for long periods of time. And so I had that same feeling again during this fast. I don't think it's so much the fast.

I think that my body is just so sensitive. That's also, man, I smoked some weed. I was super high. I took my normal little two pups and I had some of our cold brew. Oh, dude, I was fucking zipped. What does that tell you? Yeah, we just showed you how much we oversaturate ourselves with this these things

But what do you think's happening? Why are downregulated? Oh, you're you're percent with downers just fucking open up Yeah, they open so there's a few theories as to why people some people Feel shitty for the first day. So between one to three days is Typically when people will feel shitty, sometimes longer, because I did a lot of research on prolonged fasts. In particular, I looked up the, you know, what the Eastern Europeans talk about fasting because they've been using fasting bidiscinally for a long fucking time. And it's the first one to three days is the most common, although it can happen a little, a little longer than that,

where people will feel shitty. And then a switch happens and all of a sudden, they feel good during the fast. Now, for me, I feel so far, every time I've done a prolonged fast, I feel great the whole time. There is no, I don't get headaches, I don't feel shitty. It's almost just, I feel good all the way through.

Jessica, who also did the fast, the first day was kind of hard. She got a migraine the morning of the second day or the night in the morning of the second day. Tempted to take an ibuprofen because my girlfriend gets, she has a history of migraines and she's had she and she was a child and they'll get so bad that she'll vomit, like terrible, terrible. Yeah, that's the worst. Riding pain.

So she gets a little scared. So she started to get like, oh shit, am I getting, like it's a really bad headache right now. Am I gonna get one of those migraines? And it never turned into that. She drank water, I gave her some black coffee because caffeine can help with that. She uses this really, really strong oil

that you put on your head and it causes this thing. It's almost like VIX, but it's way stronger. And it creates this kind of cold sensation which distracts you from the pain. So you feel like you don't have pain. And it worked and then it went away. But then the third day she felt during the day, early morning, she felt kind of weak,

like just kind of tired and listless or whatever. But then the afternoon came and then a switch happened. And it was like dramatic. She went from feeling kind of tired and listless or whatever. But then the afternoon came and then a switch happened. And it was like dramatic. She went from feeling kind of tired to feeling amazing. And it's almost like you could clearly see, oh, this is when the big switch is happening for you. But there's a few different theories as to why. One of them is your body is digesting,

for lack of a better term, digesting itself a little bit. There is cellotophagy. is killing things off receptors are starting to Upregulate you're getting going through a little withdrawal you do get hypotension So your blood pressure does naturally drop. Oh, I noticed that we don't have food so it happened down Yeah, so if you're like on the floor and you get up real fast you might get a little dizzy That can cause headaches that can also cause headaches. I felt for me personally. I felt Good throughout the whole thing cause headaches, that can also cause headaches. I felt, for me personally, I felt good throughout the whole thing. I had no hunger, felt lots of energy. I didn't lift weights at all. All

I did was mobility and stretching. I don't think lifting weights would have been a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. I had plans to go in that direction. Definitely didn't do that. But I did. Like, I was very active. So I was out and about and doing things because I just found being outside and getting that nature connection and all that. I was gravitating towards it, and so me and the boys spent the whole weekend outside and the forest and stuff, and then spent a lot of time reading, because I would wear myself out quickly. So I just noticed that even the rigorous activity, it was like, oh my god, which, you know, cause I would wear myself out quickly. So I just noticed that like even the rigorous activity,

it was like, oh my God, okay, okay, that was a little too much, you know, a little light headed. But yeah, like going through this process, same thing, I didn't really feel, you know, that much pain or discomfort or headaches or any of that, except for dinner time. So dinner time for me was a struggle. Because everybody's eating, but you?

Yeah, and it's mainly because, so, Courtney didn't do it with you? She did, but she was working this whole weekend. So she wasn't there, and so I was like preparing and, you know, which, you know, I occasionally alternate with her with the kids, but like, I was doing like, you know, cutting up all the food and like giving it to them.

It's right up there. And it smells and everything, and I was just like, it was tough cutting up all the food and like give it to them. It's right. Smells and everything. And I was just like, it was tough. It kind of put me in that mode. And then I had to kind of go on the couch and be like, hey, you guys have fun eating. But yeah, that was tough for both days for Friday and then Saturday somewhat. But really wasn't as bad Saturday. Sunday, I felt like a champion. Like, I just felt like this,

this rush of clarity and energy and just like, you know, that must have been when the switch happened for me. Did you, did, what, what was Courtney's experience? Her, she's, she actually has gone through it without many interruptions. Like, she's, like, she worked and everything fine without any sort of like headaches or any of those, which last time she did she got really dizzy and like headed. And this time I think I think she's doing fine. She's still because she started a day later. So like last night she worked. So today is when she's going to break her fast.

So I'll ask her what she's, you know, feeling today. But yeah, so far she told told me, she was like, I'm just fine with this, this is great. What about Katrina, did she do it with you? Yeah, she would hurt. Did she get anything at all? No, she felt pretty good. She actually was struggling with being hungry more than me.

I was actually truth be told, I probably would have pushed a 72 if she was down to ride a 72, but she was in my ear like the, let's pray and I'm like, no, I wanna go at least 48 and then when I go 48, yeah, I'll go from there. And so that's why I just did the chicken broth and the thing, I'm like, I'm gonna keep low for sure. If we're gonna break this fast at 48

because she was like, down to go break the fast like Justin, like, let's go have a burger or let's go do something. I'm like, no, no, no, no, for me, this is the whole point of this for me was to kickstart my diet now, you know So I would I've been reading ever since the holidays easier. Yeah, it is. It's very of dude right now I'm just I'm so sensitive, but here's the trip though and I and I watch her while she ate next to me She ate more than I did and I looked at her. I'm like you all right And she's like oh, I don't feel that good right there. I said honey

Look how much bigger I am than you and you saw me eat less than you right now. You're super sensitive right now. But it's crazy how quick you do that once, you do that twice than you're already ready. Now you're, now you're, you've readjusted to this. And I told her I said, listen, the meal she made in my, the next morning we had bacon and eggs. And she made my usual four eggs, six pieces of bacon.

She all, it was just too much. Way too much. I'm like, and I knew, and I caught myself eating it, right? And then feeling satisfied, and then still wanting to finish the plate, and I'm like, push it aside. I'm like, no, I need to enjoy the fact that my stomach is shrank a little bit, that this fills me up and keeps me satisfied.

Instead of pushing that and getting myself now just to it. So you can see the process that people go through, that we all do, and how all of a sudden you you create this new You know appetite or new portion size because you keep stretching the boundaries had I just stick to these little tiny portions. I'd be fine Oh, I got excited eating burger, but oh, yeah, I got about halfway through and it was like it just hit me Like a brick and I just said, I had to stop and... Did you get the shits?

No, I didn't. I didn't, I was fine. I was, everything was fine and even like, so that was last night. So this morning I felt like an insane amount of energy this morning. I was like, cool. I'm ready to go, but yeah, I totally felt like,

oh my God, this is not gonna sit well. And I said stop, but yeah, it was, I just, the idea of me eating and like, it just elevated my mood like nothing else. Yeah, the, when you're fasted, after a period of time, your digestive system literally kinda goes asleep. It's almost like in this, it's almost, it's not hibernating, okay,

but it does go in the state where it's, where it kinda is a little bit, and to throw a bunch of food at it, all the ones. Not a good idea, I've done that before. I've done it before where I've broke a fast with a large meal like I normally would, and I always get kinda sick afterwards. The other thing too, is when you're,

you know, while you're fast that you're drinking fluids, you're drinking fluids, then you eat the digestive system wakes up and sometimes what it does is it starts to evacuate what was in there before the food gets through. It's getting rid of other stuff and you may actually find you have like loose stools and stuff like that initially that then become normal and the loose stools kind of, you know, I've talked to a lot of people, kind of look different. It's like old stuff coming out almost. It's a very interesting process. I did get the keto test strips, which will test for the presence of ketones in your urine.

So I thought we'd discuss this, those things. They can have false, so it's not gonna have a false positive, but it can be a false negative. So when you pee on it, it'll tell you if there's ketones in your urine. Now, if it doesn't show ketones in your urine, it doesn't necessarily mean you're not ketosis. It could mean that you're in ketosis

and you're using up all the ketones. All it's showing is that you have excess ketones that you're peeing out. So if it shows positive you're in ketosis, if it shows negative, you could be in ketosis. You could be in ketosis. It's not 100%. So I got the ketostip cells. I was like, you know, I thought to myself, I don't feel like I switched, I didn't feel like this hard transition. I just feel really good. Am I in ketosis and I got the strips and I peed on it and

dude, I measured over for many moles, I think I'm saying right now, which is like therapeutic. So I hit therapeutic levels of ketosis for sure. Whereas if you look at the experts who talk about ketosis for weight loss or performance in like steady state long duration type cardio and that kind of stuff. They recommend over one and a half you know, mini moles per milligram I think it is, but mine was over four which is therapeutic. So I had a shit ton of ketones in my system. Obviously I was fast at, you can expect that. Right, right.

You remember the test that we took at Paleo? Was that one more accurate? The breath one? Yeah. It's supposed to be more accurate. Yeah, because I think blood is the best. Yeah, right, blood would be the most accurate. Yeah, because I actually took, I have those same strips that you have and on day two, I peed on it

and I actually, oh, millimoles, excuse me, millimoles per liter. I knew, because I knew as Inquitos is after, for me, I've done this enough times, I feel like I can feel my body when it switches over. Gerbils. And, you know, after a 24 hour fast, for sure after a 48 hour fast, I know I'm there. It's like, you don't, I don't need confirmation from a piece trip.

But I thought, oh, let me, I saw you posted on yours. I'm like, let me see what I, and mine actually didn't come up that dark. But to show there was some, yeah, but very little in comparison. I mean, very little, I've peed on it way, way darker than that. But yet, I for sure felt more confident about being in ketosis now. You probably were, I mean, it takes between 24 to 72 hours for people to enter into ketosis. What I did notice though is, and I wonder if this makes that's why I, you know, I questioned these tests, is my pee was extremely clear because I was drinking a lot of water.

Oh, you could definitely water it out. Right. So I was like, you know, my pee was clear as fuck and I'm like, okay, and I'm, because all I was doing was drinking water. Cause I did the same thing. I had like normal yellow pee in a test it very dark. And then I'm like, I wonder what happened if I drink a lot of water and then pee it out again.

And I still have meat in yet. So, and I did and you're right, it did show a lighter color. That was, cause I've done it. That's why they're not, they're not foolproof. Well, it's cool, I guess if for a gauge, you're right, it did show a lighter color. That was because I've done it. That's why they're not foolproof. Well, it's cool, I guess if for a gauge, you're right to give you an idea if you're heading in the right direction. It's cheap, they're cheap gauge are easy.

Right. That's why I like using them. It's fun people. I was sleep, I was sleep for you guys. I actually didn't have a hard time sleeping at all. In fact, I actually fell asleep really easy. Now that you say that, the last couple nights, I've gotten incredible sleep around 10

o'clock it like I felt like my body was like, nope we shut down and normally I'd be up my mind to be racing and it'd be harder for me to get to sleep but like literally my body was just like, nope you got to go to bed. It's fun. You know what's crazy? I didn't even that wasn't one of the markers I was really paying attention to. Because a lot of people will say that it positively affects their sleep. Yeah, it did. And in fact, in last night, I'm sure to, I'm never the one normally,

because Katrina always has to be up earlier than I do. So I'm normally the one who will stay up later or keep us watching a show or whatever. I was the one who shut down the TV and said, like, I'm ready for bed, let's just go to bed early and went to bed early and then I don't even remember passing out, I passed out really fast, which is not like me. So I didn't even think about that.

I wasn't really paying attention to my sleep. I've been, I'm fascinated with the ultra sensitivity of everything right now. That's what I, I, Isn't it cool? Yeah, I'm tripping out on that. My stomach is so, I don't even want a big meal right now Yeah, I like it so I love like having a coffee now. Oh feels like dude the knee first had coffee

It's like like a virgin. Yes. No, it does it everything is though I mean everything from I noticed it with the weed. I noticed it with the coffee I noticed it with watching the electronics. I noticed everything Had an effect on me and for the most part a lot of it had a lot of negative effects. Dude, I didn't feel good. Think about it this way. Food for sure can be numbing, 100%. And if anybody who argues and wants to disagree with me,

what's the number one fucking abuse substance in modern Western societies, food, and why is it an abuse substance? Because it's distracting and numbing, 100%. Ain't nobody eating food to become more aware of their shit. For sure, people are eating food to forget shit and to be dumb, and it has that effect on you.

For sure, because when you, everybody will tell you this, when you do a prolonged fast, during the fast and after the fast, you're just heightened. Everything's heightened. Everything's smell, sight, you know, you're just heightened. Everything's heightened, everything's smell, sight, you know, your touch, everything. Yeah, mental clarity's been to the roof too. Like I've been able to focus on whatever tasks that I was doing in real life.

Yeah, I felt very productive. Yeah, that whole time and just being on the computer and reading and so it was great, man, like getting in that mental space where I'm just like, oh, I can be efficient. How's your your Surisus did you get any short? Yeah, it's honest to be completely honest with that like I didn't see enough I was hoping that I would see something I'm not gonna lie I was there was a part of me as like especially right now

I'm actually in the middle of my Suris is being pretty bad for a couple reasons one I just it's the winter time right now and So winter time, it just automatically flares up really bad. It's been a while since I've gone to the dermatologist and did my creams and shots and all of that stuff. I've been neglecting it. My diet has been off during the holidays and then it's also winter. I've cut the perfect storm for it.

I was curious, if I do this, will it suppress it? It has a little bit. I noticed myself not picking at it. So I was kind of curious like, okay, if I do this, will it suppress it? It has a little bit like a, I'm not, I noticed myself not picking at it and it's not. So it's probably heading in the right direction of being better, but I'm more curious to the now going forward because now I know when I run a Keto, Jinnick diet, it's suppressed it a lot. And you're going Keto now. Yeah. And I don't want to say, I hate saying that because then I know everyone's going to hang on everything. I do. I'm not going full keto. But what I could, for example, I think we made last night we made bison with four ounces

of sweet potato. So I'll have some sweet potato today. Like there are certain things that I will, I'll be more paleo-esque, I would say. I'm not like, I'm not being a carb-nazzy to where I won't have any carbohydrates, but I want to stay away from a lot of the carbohydrates I was allowing in my diet through the holidays, and just at least minimize it to things like, you know, like they had last night,

the spinach, the zucchini, having things like sweet potato, or yams, things like that all out in there, and I'll just be minimal about it, and keep the carbs as low as I can, and then a much higher fat diet. Yeah, I'm going, I'm gonna go pretty straight keto except once a week I'll have,

I might give myself maybe 80 grams of carbs and something like what you're saying, potatoes, we potatoes, something like that. But I'm gonna go pretty straight keto because I feel like it's time to do that for myself because I know when I come out of it, I feel good too. So I'm gonna go into it, I'm gonna stay in it for a little while, and then when my body tells me

it's time to come back out, I'm gonna come back out. But I mean, I'll tell you what, I did this 72 hour, and I swore to God, dude, I'm not even exaggerating. I felt like I could just keep going, it wasn't a problem. I think what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna plan later on this year, maybe in a couple of months, a five day fast, and or a seven day one, and the way I'm gonna organize the seven day one

will be like four days water, and then three days kind of fasting mimicking like Dr. Walter Longo talks about. And just see what happens. But one thing's for sure, every month, I'm gonna do a 48 to 72 hour fast. That's something that me and Jessica talked about. And when you start to feel this alternate operating system,

cause it is, it's, and I've been reading the research as it comes along and a lot of it is getting pretty interesting right now. And if you're interested, just look up Dr. Walter Longo and look at his research. It for sure is another operating system. Things fundamentally change in your body when you do a prolonged fast. And it's pretty crazy.

The cells that stick around almost hunker down and get really fucking strong. His studies are showing that under radiation and chemotherapy even the stronger cells are far more resilient, or the ones that stick around are far more resilient. And then the stem cells that get stimulated from the fast and then when you when you refeed,

you get this rebuilding of all these new cells, it's just seems like something that, and obviously if we look at evolution, it just seems like something that, especially in the context of modern life, if we look at it in, you know, for us to thrive with, right? If we look at modern life, and we look at the ails, the things that ails us with modern life, which is lack of activity, sleep patterns are thrown off, and then their food quality is just, you know, terrible. And then that we're just constantly feed ourselves. Like, you know, I can, I've handled the other three, right? I exercise, I make sure I

get good sleep. I eat very healthy if you compare me to the average person, but the one that I don't regularly really look at is the whole, I have fucking food all the time. And so I feel like that would be, that's like a missing piece that I'd like to add just for, what I think we're finding is that, I mean, for almost all of evolution, food was pretty scarce for the most part.

And then we've just in the last 100 years if we had all this availability. And I think we're finding out that there's a lot more health benefits to a lot less food than there is more food. And I think we're finding that I believe there's going to be, I believe there's a fine line, right? At what point does it become detrimental? Right? Like what point does restricting from nutrition and food have adverse effects? And I think we've been so far on the other side for so long that what everyone's starting to find out is as we start stretching one day, two day, three day,

holy fuck, we're actually still getting positive effects. I wonder what that is. And so I'm just gonna guess that it's, if we were to fast probably three to five days every week, you'd probably be just fine. And in fact, you'd probably have a lot of positive benefits. Well, you know, that would be pushing it, right? But I think you'd probably be just fine and in fact you'd probably have a lot of positive benefits. Well, you know, that would be pushing it right, but I think you're probably right. I know in Russia, these fasting clinics or whatever, which are medically supervised, so they do have nurses that

test your blood, make sure you're not, you know, that everything's okay, but for the most part, nothing ever happens, everybody's fine, that their standard is 21 days. It's a 21 day fast when you go to these places. Now, of course, this is not a regular up 21 days. It's a 21 day fast when you go to these places. Now of course, this is not a regular upkeep fast. It's like they're going there because they're like, oh, I'm healthy, I just want to maintain health. These are people that have chronic illness, autoimmune issues, rheumatoid arthritis,

asthma, whatever they go there. And that's their treatment, but their treatment is 21 days. I think of like a 48 to 72 fast every month, for me, okay, so I'm not recommending these to people, but for me, I think might be a good starting point to see what that feels like, and maybe I'll scale it down, or scale it up depending on,

you know what I get from it. One thing that I definitely agree with Katrina that we do is that any time that we feel like we've kind of fallen off our eating habits, our good eating habits, that this is how we would get back into it. Like in the past, what I would do is, you know, after a holiday or being inconsistent with my meal prepping or eating, and I decide, okay, I'm going to really get back in the swing of things and make sure I'm dialed in.

You know, I just transitioned into whatever diet I'm doing with it, be keto, paleo, or just plain out tracking my food and paying attention We're not instead of doing that I think going forward at any time that we fall off and we've been inconsistent and eating poorly I think that we'll start it now with a 48 hour fast. I like the way I Feel it's increasing the intuitive portion of eating it is it makes it way I feel like to only eat something really small right now I'm I only like I, I had under a thought. I probably had five, six hundred calories yesterday coming off a two hour fat.

Today, like, I don't even have a desire to have a big meal right now. Like, I just want something to satisfy the way my stomach feels right now. And that's literally probably be a couple hundred calories of some healthy fat, maybe some protein, oh, good. And so I find it easier to get into a strict regimen after doing a fast like that. So that's not the best. I think it's great too,

because having Courtney do this as well, she's got that same motivation behind it now, so we can kind of plan out and get our meals like in a line in that direction together. So it's not like I'm eating something a little bit different and the family and it's that everybody's sort of on that level on that same page. So this was a great sort of a, you know, centralized focus to then now we kind of, it'll be eating to that.

I shared what I broke the fast with you guys didn't really share what you, we teased just a little bit on the burger thing, but what exactly did everybody eat? So I had, we started with bone broth and then about an hour, so I wanted bone broth and then an hour, I wanted a wait an hour, see how I felt. An hour later I had a little bit of lamb, so we had some lamb meat that we cooked in the oven, and I had a rapini, which is a type of, it's like broccoli. Kind of, but it's like spinach, right?

So I boil the fuck out. It's how I cook it. I cook it really, really, really well. So it's easy to digest. Then I put all of oil on and I eat that. And that was it. That was what I had yesterday. This morning, I had, let's see, what did I have this morning?

I had a little bit of lamb and two egg yolks, and that's pretty much it, because I'm kind of keto, I don't want a little bit of broccoli, so I'm kind of keto right now. That's pretty, pretty much it. But what you guys are saying, what you're saying in particular, Adam,

about how doing a starting a fast kind of kicks you into, better eating or whatever, that is right along the pages of what intuitive eating or how that starts to work and it's such a nice You know, because you're just listening you're just kind of feeling that way so it's so much easier than like Okay, I need to do this. I mean the sensitivity is so high that it's much easier to pay attention You have to be an idiot tonight. It's not as a sign for me like for me Like I ate something so I was like, whoa.

For example, the little bit of cream that I put, I don't even put that much cream in my coffee. That was enough to go make me understand, I was going like, oh, look at that. Or I had a cup of coffee and I was zipping. Or I smoked one little hit of a joint and I was flying. And I said, okay, wow, it's crazy how much I've oversaturated myself with a lot of these things that are regular in my diet.

So you know what's funny is that sometimes this reminds me of how sometimes you know we would get clients or whatever who would eat really good or well. And then they would throw in a pizza or cake and get stomach upset and they would legit get upset with that. Like what the hell man, I used to be able to eat this before. And it's funny to be ruined cake for me. Well, what we've done really is we haven't ruined anything for you. What we've done. I just hope you make yourself aware of how your body feels. That's it. And we've taken away your drug.

Right. You just taken away your drug and now you're upset because you used to be able to use this food. Like it made me feel good. Yeah. How weird is that? I know. Like imagine if you were mad, like, fuck man, I want to have my cream and my coffee.

I want to have a muffin. And I can't have it right now. But instead, you're looking at it the other way, saying, wow, my body feels really good. I'm really sensitive. I don't want those things. I don't need it. Well, and totally different.

And I did kind of go a little bit on the extreme by getting a burger, but like, honestly, I didn't eat anything other than the burger, the bacon, and cheese on top of that with like, you know, I actually had vegetables to go with that. I wasn't even interested in carbs, any sugars. Like I had no cravings in that direction, but I definitely had cravings, protein and fat-wise. And so I probably could have been a little more measured

with like what I ate. Like I really, what I really, did you pay for it? Were you okay? No, I was fine. You were fine. Yeah, I was totally fine. It didn't kill me. Yeah, the iron stomach.

I've always had kind of an iron stomach, but like a billy goat. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, I've always done really well with meat and veggies. That's always been a good combo with me. So, I wanted to talk to you guys also before we move into the questions what I did with my so my son had a basketball tournament this weekend. So up leading up until this tournament his school had been undefeated 4-0 so

they've played very very well. So they go into this tournament and tournaments are complete I've never been to it tournament before it's a very different energy. It's a very it's a very different energy. It's a very different energy. Like when the kids are playing in the regular season, I think the coaches will, you know, they're just, they're, they wanna win also, but I think they're also more interested

in getting the kids to play and everybody's, but there's, I'm gonna put some play, there's a placing and the normally they have trophies, they can't give up. You're there to win. Usually goes into overtime, police, like that. And the intensity is way higher. So I'm watching these kids play and the normally they have trophies, they can't give them. You're there to win. You usually go into overtime, police.

And the intensity is way higher. So I'm watching these kids play and it's fucking hilarious because they're all seventh grade boys, right? Seventh grade is 12, 12 years old, 13 years old, some kids are a little older, so the 13. This is right when testosterone starts to peak, starts to take off.

It isn't peak yet, right? But it starts to like, oh, I'm not a kid anymore. So you're starting to see some clear differences in like the physicality of certain kids. Well, you're seeing that. There's definitely some kids that are fucking massive already. And I remember going to junior high too and showing up first day and there's a kid

with a mustache. Yeah, that's the kids dunking on me. Yeah, there's some big ass kids in there. But there was also like the, you can see the testosterone kicking in a little bit and these fucking boys are starting to get aggressive and I'm laughing at what's like there was a few moments where like two guys would have their hands in the ball. And you can see like they want to fight like they're fucking ripping it and they're looking at each other. And then like one one like there was a couple times where you know as was a couple of kids on my son's team that are really good and they were playing another team where they had some good kids it was like back

and forth and whenever they make a basket they'd walk by the other player and clappily loud like right next to his face like yeah and these are these are all Catholic schools everybody's supposed to be real but I'm watching it so like this is fucking hilarious I could see the test just Tom competitiveness coming up. I could see the test. Just taunting. Competitiveness coming out. Bro, I could see the influence of the hormone. Nadine, on these kids. Do you think your boy enjoys it or does it turn him off? My son is very, he's ultra competitive,

but not in the traditional ways. So if he's playing a sport, probably not, doesn't really care a whole lot. He's definitely part of the team. He wants to play well. He wants to do well. But if you put him on a game or chess or anything like that, then he gets put... Maybe it's because he feels like he's better at those things.

So he identifies more with them. But he's definitely got that competitive side. But I was watching these kids play as fucking hilarious. There was one kit, so we lost one game. We got third place. So we lost one moving into the finals, which meant then we had to play for third. But they played fucking excellent.

But the team we lost against, dude. There was one kid on the other team who was the shortest kid on all the teams. He was a little dude who's obvious to small kid. But if you look at this kid, when the team comes out, I'm looking at him, and I elbow Jessica, and I'm like, little dude who's obvious to small kid. But if you look at this kid, when the team comes out, I'm looking at him, and I elbow Jessica, and I'm like,

look at that fucking mesomorph. This little kid comes out and he's built like, he's, I for sure does gymnastics or something. He's like this little body builder, fucking seven-grader. And he's fast as fucking aggressive as hell. This small kid was just scoring like crazy because he was super aggressive and super and everybody's face. It was really cool to watch this little guy not let his

height like get in the way. He was just on it. And so for the last game what I did was, I'm like, huh, I wonder, you know, so anyway, so you guys know we have the the cacao powder from Organifi, right? What's it called? cacao right cow tastes really good and I know cacao naturally contains Like theobromine which has it's similar to caffeine Gichy apple a little bit I made a little chocolate milk with some, with some, yeah. Yeah, I was like, let's see what happens. Man, his eyes just huge.

He was, he was jazz. Yeah, jazz. He was playing and he was pretty jazz. Yeah, when he was playing. So, but it was a lot of fun, man. The third place, real proud of the kids, proud of the boys, the coaches did such a great job. The fundamentals, they just hammer the fundamentals.

And you can tell that that's all that they, that they work. I can't wait, I can't wait. I know like with my son, it's it's not quite competitive yet. Like they're still learning the skill of it because he's you know, he's only seven. So, but at the same time, like some kids are getting it. And so he's he's I'm really proud of him too. Like he's he's actually put the work into where he when he gets the ball, there's probably like, maybe like a 50% chance

he'll make it. That's great. He's been draining some buckets and so. That's so great. Yeah it's just great to see that. It's great to see them get involved and you know stoked on their abilities and like really trying like improve on them on their own. I think it's such a healthy trait to develop in your kid.

Oh dude. I had the best conversation. It's fun man. I had the best conversation with my son. I was so proud of the kid because he's so self-aware and confident. He's far more confident than I was at his age, so much more. If I could say that I did anything positive for my kids, or in particular, my son, I did not promote what I had

at his age, which was terrible in securities about my physical body. My kid's very confident. And I was like, I'm not promote what I had at his age, which was terrible in securities about my physical body. My kid's very confident. So, we're on the way home from one of the games. He goes, well, this is a tournament, and he goes, so the coach wants to put

the best players in all the time to win. So, he says, that's why I'm not in there a whole lot. He goes, I'm in there sometimes, but not a whole lot. He goes, this is different than when we're playing regular game. And that's, well, how does that make you feel? I want to see what he's thinking, you know, and he goes, he goes, I think that's the right thing. He goes, those dudes are, they're the best ones. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, and I said, listen, I said, yes, and I explained him. I said, you know, there's a couple of things you do with that information. One is, if you want

to be one of those kids, that's always out there, is you work harder. Yeah, you work hard and you practice. The second thing is to understand that you're on a team. I said, in the future, when you're an adult and you either start a business or you work for a company and you work for a team or you have a team that works for you, the important things are to identify everybody's role, where people are good, and that everybody understands what they're supposed to do and they do that part, absolutely bad.

So if you find that there's these other players that are super good and you want them to be out there most of the time, then your role may be motivate, support, and team spirit, or maybe part of the plan or whatever, but you have a different role in that team, but you still have a role, and you execute that role. And that's what makes people effective.

We had this great conversation. He was super, he was leading half of it. I'm so proud of the kid with that. That's cool. What a great lesson. Oh, such a great lesson. Excellent, excellent. But yeah, the Cal Bliss, definitely,

oh, and I gave some of my daughter, which vice to the pool. Dude, I fucked up because she wanted some too. First of all, if you put it in milk, I taste it a little bit. I can't have milk right if you put it milk That should like chocolate milk. Oh, that's fucking good. Oh, it's so I gave some of my daughter too because she wanted some Yeah, so she was climbing the walls of it. Yeah, because I'm sitting in the bleachers watching the game and she's just Fucking all over the place Bring on the bird Doug

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Yeah, man. Yeah. Sorry, Doug. What are your top 10 methods to maintain your mental health? What are your top 10 methods to maintain your mental mental health? What do you do to pull yourself out of depression when you feel down? So Ten things. Yeah, I don't know if I have ten things so something that I learned from My girl my girlfriend Jessica, which was taught you so much. She has yeah, she's actually taught me quite a bit My girls taught me a lot of things. Yeah, I think this is too late. I already said it. I can't try and be nice.

Yeah, I know. I'll try and throw her about it. Do another episode. Yeah, I still do it very much. She's taught me something in this particular sense, mainly because so I went through a divorce and I started dating Jessica very relatively soon after my divorce.

And when you go through a process of no longer living with your kids, organizing a new house, a new life, how do we work this all out, the end of a marriage that was, you know, I had a long time, the change in the family dynamic, like all that stuff, it is very challenging on your mental health, very, very challenging, And it definitely can cause. I think they put death of a loved one, taking care of a loved one, divorce, and there

was something else as like the top most stressful things that people tend to go through. And I'll definitely put divorce up there. And one thing that Jessica helped me with was that when we're in a state of mind that we don't like, like depression, and we've identified like, fuck, I feel really down and I hate this, rather than hating it so bad that you're trying to fight it and resist it, to accept that I feel sad right now,

allow yourself to feel it, and you'll come out of it much faster. This is what I noticed because when I fight the feeling I am now You know what what you resist persists. That's very very true when I found that I was fighting it like no I can't be sad. I can't be depressed. I hate this. I'm not gonna I don't like this. I need to do things to change it that layer that I threw on top of it What you know, I'm if you hate what you're in and you don't accept what you're in,

you are adding a new layer to whatever you feel. So now you're feeling shitty for feeling shitty. And that just makes things last longer versus sitting in there and just being like, well, I feel shitty right now. I'm gonna let myself feel it and then I'm gonna come out of it. So that's, that by far is the most effective thing that I've ever found for getting myself out

of a depressed state. As far as maintaining mental health, nothing is better, nothing is better than sleep and exercise. Those two things are in check, I'm amazing. I tend to think this is something that, that I'm pretty good at and I'm going through this right now. So if you listen to the show,

you've had a lot of practice, a lot of challenges. No, I mean, you had a lot of challenges. No, no, I have. I have had a ton of challenges. Ever since I was a kid, always. That's what I'm saying. And so for me, I actually don't, I don't stress that much.

I think that was great advice, so I think that is something that is unique and different about it. I'm okay with it. I know, I expect myself to be kind of down because of everything that I'm going through right now. It's like, yeah, no fucking shit. I'm not in the best mood of my life and stuff.

So I think becoming aware of that, like you said, and accepting that you're going through a process right now, and that's part of, there's normally if someone's depressed, we're depressed because of something that's happening. Sometimes there are things that we can control, and sometimes there are things that we can't control.

And when it's something that I can control, for me, I look at it as a growth opportunity for me. And if it's something that I can't control, then it's just part of the process of growing through whatever this pain or depression that I'm going through. But there are some practices that I've put in place to make myself feel better while going through these situations. And so I tend to shift my focus in other aspects of my life that is not being necessarily affected by what's causing me to feel depressed right now. So for example, right now, you know, with my extremely low test

oscarone with the torn Achilles, if I was really in, if, and so obviously, I'm going to have a little bit of this depression going on right now. If I was to heavily focus on my body right now and my goals and why I'm not muscular or feeling buffed, if I would make me feel terrible. So part of the process for me is not worrying about it right now. It's kind of letting go of that because I can already see it's such an uphill battle right now to even build any muscle or shape myself the way I want or be able to train with an injury right now.

So I'm already at a major disadvantage. So I'm not going to put extra pressure on myself of an area that I already have rooted insecurities from youth, right? So I'm just throwing them to fuck. That's part of me embracing is just like, yeah, I am who I am right now. I have other aspects of my life that I can put energy in. So maybe for me that's reading, family, enjoying Katrina, doing other aspects that I love in life or that give me joy.

I'll shift my energy towards those things and really hang on to the things that I'm accomplishing in that arena. I worked all weekend. So all weekend I was doing things for the business as far as on the marketing side and what we need to do. And I enjoy that. Like, I'm sure I would love being the gym crushing it

and seeing my goals and accomplishing these things, but I also know that that's an area right now that I'm struggling with. And instead of hanging onto that and dwelling on that, I've accepted that and I'm gonna work through and dwelling on that, I've accepted that and I'm going to work through that. Of course, I'm doing the taking of the steps with all my supplements and the juve light and trying to get my diet in order and being patient with the whole process.

But meanwhile, I've shifted my energy and focus into other parts of my life that may not be as affected by that or may help increase my level of joy. And so sometimes that is just getting back to some of the things that you enjoy and love doing. I think that's an important thing that I do. So, and if I get really bad, like I've had moments, I don't know why this is a thing for me, maybe somebody else out there can relate. If I like really feeling down and fresh and it just seems like everything's hit me from

all ends and I can't even get the right mental space, I'll go leave all by myself and go watch a movie all alone. And it's just like this, I don't know if it's the time alone or it's doing something that allows me just to be entertained and disconnect from all the things that I'm allowing to get in my head or what, but it has always helped me kind of reset and it's something that I didn't do until I got into an adulthood that I would ever think of even doing this because in my teenage years,

I think it's so weird to go to movies when I saw that. I have so many friends that would love to go with me but it's really not about the movie as much as is about helping me get kind of like reconnected with myself and like ignore all the other noise that's out there that's causing what it could be contributing to the depression. So that's kind of helped me. I'll do that every now and then.

Yeah, I think I think like thinking about when the last time I was depressed, I think that well, first of all, like when I notice that I'm feeling down, I'm feeling like, you know, I'm not my usual self. I'm not up in energetic. I'm definitely assessing what my sleep, you know, what's going on with that. And also just like, you know, my movement. And like, if I'm not moving about, that totally affects me and affects my moods

on a substantial level. But I'm just looking back as far as like last year. And like, you know, something that like when my dog died, it was like one of those things that like I tried to bury that like personally. And it was like, I didn't want to like acknowledge it. And so once I finally got to a place where I could like acknowledge it, like it was, you know,

it was so much easier to then realize, oh man, that was affecting me like on all these other different levels. And like Courtney, I know she's had like, man, she's had a rough time because it was, it was a real traumatic experience because she was there and like had to deal with it and like, he got hit by a car and like, you know, was just like torn to shreds and like, she had to like take him to the vet and go through all that traumatic experience And you know that stayed with her and she would she should wake up in the middle of the night and have like nightmares and like all this anxiety and

so For me like I've been trying to like figure out more like I was I was more trying to To unpack like how to I was more trying to unpack how to help therapy-wise with her and figure out what that looks like. So, us dealing with this, we started to apply more meditative practices. We tried to create a ritual at night to deal with anxiety. There were certain things that helped like even I had mentioned the other day I was I was getting like that ashwagandha drops and stuff like that to really kind of help

To you know from I think right market so thrive market So I got the same is the same one I have the same one you're taking man thrive market has that too. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, so we do that and then we do like a T with the ginger and lemon and, you know, and then we just try to create like more of this environment that is less, less stimulus and more of us just trying to get outside of our own head. And then just me being out in nature

quite a bit more has been really therapeutic. But yeah, it was one of those things. It was a constant friction in the house because we both felt it. It was like a brutal. Yeah, you know. You know, I have a friend right now, close friend of mine who's, who her father passed away.

And she sent me a couple of messages and has talked about how absolutely devastating it was to lose her dad. And she was asking me about exercise. Like what should I do with my workouts? Like how can I use them to help me? And I told her, you wanna go into the workouts with a completely different mentality.

You're not go into the workouts with a completely different mentality. You're not going into the workouts because exercise can be a fantastic thing you can do to help you to feel better, but it's totally different than when you're working out normally. Like when you're working out normally, you're going into, you know, with a goal of building muscle or burning body fat or, you know, getting super intense workout to sweat or whatever. When you're in this particular state of mind where you're feeling devastated, you're going in there to just take care of you so whatever that looks like.

For me, it looked like, I went through something pretty difficult about maybe five years ago. And I went in the gym and sometimes it was a heavy hard workout and I would leave my frustration in the gym. But a lot of times it was these really easy. I put my headphones on, I put on some good music, and I just get a good pump and just get my body to feel better, and then I would start to mentally feel better.

There's that two way street, you know what I mean? There's that your mental, the way you think, or your mental state can affect how you feel physically. So you can feel more rundown, you can feel more pain, you can feel more inflammation or poor digestion because of what's going on in your head. And then vice versa, if your body is feeling sick, then mentally you'll start to, you can start to feel sick. It's a two way street.

So one of the best things you could do before you ever get into cycles of depression or whatever It's just maintain good, you know regular physical health. You don't have to be perfect But you get good sleep, you know, you take care of your body, you take care of yourself with your nutrition and When you do have those those bouts or those challenges in life, which you're gonna get them I mean if you if you live entire life, you're lucky enough to live to an old age. That's number one. First of all, if you're lucky enough to live to an old age, you are gonna encounter situations

that are terrible. It's just, everybody is just a part of life. Yes, that's how it is. If you encounter those with a healthy body, with good relationships around you, with a passion or something that you do for work or for living or for hobby. If you encounter those difficult situations in this kind of strong state of mind, the likelihood

that you're going to come out of it, come out the other end unscathed or minimal damage or that you're going to be able to handle these difficult situations is much higher. Because I'll tell you something right now, when you, and there's a lot of situations that maybe aren't depressing but are stressful as fuck, if you're a new parent, look, if you're a parent for the first time, you are going to go through, and I can say this with all confidence, you're going to go through one of the biggest learning curves of your entire life.

That's just the fact. You're going to feel what it feels like to lose tremendous amounts of sleep, to have different levels of stress and thought patterns. Now to challenge you and your relationship with your spouse differently, and it's a different dynamic. Your job takes on a whole different meaning now. Responsibilities take a whole different, there's a lot of good things also, by the way, so it's great things as well. But there's a lot of challenges, and if you go into. Totally selling me right now.

Well, if you, I'm just, you know, it's fun and scared a lot more. You know why I do this? You know why I do this? Because you hear a lot of the good. You know, everybody talks about this challenge. I love that you share that because part of what's kept me from being married and having a kid now

is because I have trained thousands of people. And when you get to have a client, a successful man or woman that's had children and family, this and that, and love all their family, but then you get this private session with them and they train with you for years. You get them to open up and share everything with you. And I tell you what, when you get that,

a lot of these people will tell me, you like, bro, I love my kids. I love my wife. I love my wife, I love my husband. It's long, but if I could have waited a little bit longer, I would have waited a little bit longer. It's for sure, it's for sure a challenge, but then on the flip side of it, you obviously experience something that is so powerful

that it keeps you in that tough situation. But my point with that is, if you go into like a stressful situation like that, like, oh, we're gonna have a kid. Like if you're fit, healthy, you get good sleep, you've got good routines, everything's, you're, it's gonna be a lot easier on you than if you go into it and you're just already,

everything's feeling shitty to begin with. So, my point with this is, you know, he says 10 methods to maintain your mental health. It's the ones that you maintain that you keep up just to give you a good quality life. Like I said, good, good sleep. And I know you need my-

Josh is, I think, close to our age. That's who's asking this question right now. And so- You got a great page, by the way, on Instagram. And I think that for me, it was something I just dealt with and maybe you just something you revisit is, getting back to some of the things that I did all through my teenage years and through my 20s that I really loved and was passionate about.

And the real she would talk about depression, right? So I was going through this process myself and two of those things was playing basketball and snowboarding. So that was like a major mission for me this year and it was in regards to good mental health because I recognized this fulfillment that I had after I played a game of basketball or snowboarded and realized like wow this is something I truly love and I've loved it since a kid and I still love it today and it's part of what keeps me young and it's something that I want to continue to do. So imagine what a fuck fucking shit

show I'm going through right now that I was searching for better mental health and this was part of the reason that I set this as a goal in Jason that I fucking tour my Achilles. But I mean again, a growing learning experience for me and I think that getting back to some of those things, I think it's important to revisit that. Well, too, isn't it the Stoics that believe that like if you focus on the worst case scenario Like you draw this mentally like what is a worse thing that could happen to you and like you have that as sort of Okay, if I can deal with with that and mentally if I can deal with that and internalize that and be able to move forward with that

Like I will be able to do a lot better. Such an amazing, such an incredibly effective strategy. Yeah. When you go into, I thought about applying it. Like that was interesting to me. I haven't really applied it yet, but I thought that was a very interesting mentality. Dude, you go in, so when you go into something, I started doing this a little while ago, so effective.

Like because of mind pump, because of what we do and it grows and we got all these opportunities, there's a lot of things that could potentially happen that are also scary. Like, oh fuck, what if one day we do get on a stage and there's thousands of people? Or what if we do get interviewed on a massive podcast like Joe Rogan or whatever? Oh my god, you know, that would be so nerve-racking. And so what I've done is I think to myself, all right, worst case scenario. I get on this massive platform, this big one time opportunity to really expose our brand

to the world and I fuck up. I sound like an idiot, I sound stupid, I'm super nervous or it just comes across terrible. What would be the worst case scenario and then be okay with that? Like, okay, what would I do if that happened and be okay with that? And then you go into it and you're calm.

You're like, fuck, I'm cool with the worst case scenario. The best case scenario would be awesome. And I don't really give a shit at this point. It makes it, it's a very effective strategy. Next question is from Dining with Dio. What is one thing you can't live without, not including exercise? One thing we cannot live without. Well, there's, there's, there's the obvious ones, right? Yeah, my honest one is my girl. For sure, I think Katrina, I think once you say boners,

once you find, that was me. Go ahead. Once you find, and so I guess I would, you know, we'd have to have like that exception if we were gonna try and think of something else. Yeah, you can't name people, because that's too easy. Right, because I feel like that's a, that right away is the first thing

that comes in mind with me. So it can't live without. I can tell you one for me. Okay, I'm here at the stimulating conversation. If I can't have, Is that a thing? Yeah. Conversation is a thing.

I'm thinking something tangible. Well, he's saying exercise. What's exercise? That's not a thing. Yeah, exercise is tangible. A movement, exercise. So it's talking. The city can't see it.

Yeah, talking is tangible, a movement, exercise. So it's talking. They said you can't see. Really? Yeah, talking is, I can't, if I'm not stimulated with good conversation, it's, I have a really tough time. This is why I hated school. I hated school because it was so unstimulating. It wasn't hard for me. It's a lame answer. It was, I feel like goal, I would say goals.

Like, I can't live without goals in my life. You can make it whatever you want. You can do whatever your answer is. I think that was lame. If you want, you can give yours, and I'll tell you if it's good or bad. We can use judging thing back. I can do without that.

That's something I can do without. I just feel like things like that are not tangible. I think they're looking for a tangible thing. I don't like tangible, okay, how about this? I think for me, it's mainly nature. So because of living in different places, I I've gone, like I've lived in the city, in San Jose. I've lived in Chicago, like great, great atmosphere, great people, all that, like the extreme weather,

but for me, like just to be within the woods and like every single day, like I, for some reason, like I just get a lot out of that, and I get like this piece and this calm, and so it's like my sanctuary, so I can't live without that. I like that, seeing along those lines, I feel like I can't live without people. I'm just, I'm such a social person, and I feed off of other people's energy.

Well, that's obvious, my eyes say food. I can't live without food. How would you get along without people? Just the math doesn't add up there. You would die. Of course not. But technically you wouldn't though. No you would.

Yeah. I would run out of, like what would you do? Yeah. I would. I would definitely, because there's not a lot of things that I can't absolutely live without, except for those things that we would probably consider a necessity to live, right? So I like Justin's nature thing. Well, I mean, okay, if it's a necessity,

is it really a necessity, will he really die? I think the object of the question is, pick the one thing, pick something that you really like and love a lot. That's what I think you did. Yeah, you can technically live with that. I'm gonna pick something more super, I'm gonna say sleep, because that was the case.

I'm gonna give you something more superficial that maybe people don't know about me, that's like really, really important to me. But why I'm really, really enjoying. No. So I have this thing that I do, that I, in Katrina and I do this together, that I just absolutely fucking love.

And it, for some reason, it always helps me reset, keep my mental focus to all these things. I completely enjoy it. And I love to go all over and travel and go to random fancy ass hotels and fucking veg out for three days where I get room service and spa treatment. And I absolutely love that. And I've put that together a long time ago in my life. So it's been something that I've incorporated. It's something that I can tell that Katrina loves as much as I do.

So it's part of what makes our partnership so well because it is something that we, on a regular basis, never do I let about three months go by where I don't have, even if it's just two or three days where I get away for a weekend and take off, and we go somewhere, and we normally go somewhere really, really fancy and nice. It's somewhere where I just, I wanna be pampered

and I just fucking, it helps me. It just, whatever it does for me, it keeps this incredible balance. It allows me to be that guy who can throttle down at work or his goals or do things like that, but then still allow this balance of where I kind of recalibrate. Yeah, it does, it recalibrates me.

And like I said, I put that together at a pretty young age and it's something that is routine and my partner now, who I couldn't live without also, it knows how important it is to me that I don't even have to plan it. I know that she's always on top of making sure that she knows, oh my God, we've been traveling, we're doing all this work stuff and busy, busy, busy.

I know it's been a few months in a row, got to get Adam and I away somewhere and we will. We'll just go and even if it's only two, three hours up the road somewhere, we'll go somewhere and I love to bounce around to different places and experience different hotels and different areas and along with that a lot of times comes with what Justin just said. Like I love to be by the ocean or up in the woods and around nature and so. Yeah, we're actually planning a trip to Napa in February, just on a weekend day, just to go up there and do like a resort.

Oh, I've got some great places for you. Do you really? We've already booked one. We haven't done that yet. You should get, you get to always call me when it comes to stuff. I don't know that. Okay, so I'll tell you the one after off-air.

I don't want to learn on there, but I'll tell you afterwards when I booked, let me know, because I can show I can cancel if I needed to. No, I need that stimulating conversation. Like if I'm at a party and there's a lot of people at the party, I have, see people, they think I'm, they think I'm a super extrovert. They think, oh, this, you know,

salax the talk, you probably has no problem at parties. They're challenging for me because small talk, I can't stand. I hate small talk. It's very difficult for me to sit there. Yeah, it has no purpose. I just need to be stimulated or it needs to be like, let's go further, let's go a little deeper. Like I know I just small talk, it's very difficult for me to sit there. Yeah, it has no purpose. I just need to be stimulated or it needs to be like, let's go further, let's go a little deeper.

Like, I know I just met you, but let's talk about some good shit. Let's talk about your golf swing, in fact. Yeah, like, let's talk about your ambitions, your passions, let's talk about the universe. Like, weird shit because when I sit there and have small talk, it's so torturous for me to do it that this is what I end up doing at parties. I end up bouncing around the party the entire time Because it's so annoyed with small talk with one person that I start to I just find the one person this interesting

I don't know I just can't stand it But if we're gonna sit down and we're gonna debate something we're gonna discuss something deep or talk about You know concepts and a lot like then I'll sit there and have a great time But yeah, I need that stimulating conversation, otherwise I will literally, I will drift off into space with my thoughts. If you wanna keep my attention, good conversation. That's how I am,

people that don't have personality, or you know, like don't have a sense of humor, especially, you know, because I can't get along with you on the outside. I do know when you make a joke in the, when you make a joke and they don't have, it's just bombs. Yeah, you know. No, it's not even that, it's just a joke in there, they're just bombs. Yeah.

You know, it's not even that. It's just like the whole time. You can just tell, you know, the type of person, we'll just sit there, it's like, they're just like this ho hum kind of person that's just like going through life. They just don't get it. They just don't get it.

Next question is from holistic fitness. Why do you think almost everyone starting their health and fitness journey go way too extreme and run into problems before and finding balance in their health? Why can't we all just start like that? I think there's a few different reasons and I know we're going to get into all of them, but one of them that may not be as obvious because this seems to be in my experience, in my observations, a natural human tendency for everything. And I think it's because you may not know

where the middle is until you know where the ends are. How do I know that this is the middle until I've experienced over here and extreme over there? And if you can look at most things that people do, tend to, we tend to do it that way. We either are way super not interested or we go overboard and then we start to find the middle. This happens with political movements in America all the time.

We will go so far in one direction. For example, for a long time, the way we talked about women and minorities and issues and situations was terrible. We said some horrible, horrible things. And so it went way the fuck the pendulum is swaying so far over to another direction now that everything is offensive. Anything we say is bad. Comedians can't be comedians and all that stuff. And I think it's just natural. It's like, we have to go to this extreme side before we can find this middle and it works with fitness too.

And that's part of it. The other part of it is I think people go into it and they're like, hey, I want to get changed super bad. You say you go that angle, which I agree with you there too, but I think the biggest culprit is our fucking industry. I think we over glorify fucking the whole, the motivation thing. I mean, let's be honest,

some of your biggest pages on Instagram and Facebook are all these fake ass fucking motivation pages. Everybody, and we feed into it. And everybody's searching for this external motivation. And it's over glorified the beast mode and the all out and the kill it. And if you wanna get your goals, you gotta work hard and you'll need like idols to follow.

The thing is that getting in shape, right? Or building an aesthetic physique or being healthy is science-based, right? And when you look at other things in our life, like being successful financially or working your way up, the ladder at work, or doing well at a sport, like those things are different. There's less science involved in that.

There's less, it is more about motivation. It is about work ethic. It is about working hard. And for some reason, we've muddied that message in fitness to make people think that the same rules apply in fitness Now that's not to say that people don't lack motivation and consistency and hard work doesn't pay off inside the gym I'm not saying that I think we've just over glorified it so much that people think that's the might the way the same way you approach It's the same way I approach getting good at basketball the same way I approach being better at work, the same way I approach about making more money.

All those things, we go after it as hard as we can, take no days off, we apply that same thing to health and fitness, and that's fucking couldn't be further from the truth. That's not the way to go about it. In fact, that could probably be more detrimental than actually approaching it in a much slower, more strategic way.

And that's because we are. We're dealing with something that's more science-based. It's not something that is driven through motivation, but why is that? Well, because it's easier to market that to you guys. It's the market machine. The market machine is built because what the market demands is quick fast.

Give me the pill version of whatever it is to get me to this aesthetic or get me to this particular goal that I have in mind. And so the thing is, I mean, the fitness, people in fitness and in business are guilty of feeding back into that and trying to adjust their business to provide something that screams like, well, I can do it in three weeks. Well, I can do it in three weeks. Well, I can do it in one week. And, you know, it just becomes this competitive process of trying to grab attention.

And then this attention becomes the perception of, like, how it should be done to the consumer. And so, you know, for people like us to try and slow that down, you know, this is abnormal. This is abnormal. This isn't what people are experiencing as far as the message of getting back to fitness and health and doing it with a measured approach. The bottom line, the industry's been pumping it out like this for quite some time now, 20,

30 years plus. This has been the message in health and fitness. And quite frankly, it's fucking failing. The success rate is less than fucking 50%. So it's something's got to change, and this is a lot of the motivation of what we do, was that, okay, we've been in this industry for this long, and if we're completely honest with ourselves, the people that get all this information and this motivation from us, aren't seeing the results. So we obviously are going about it wrong.

There's gotta be a better approach. It's succeeding and growing and money. I mean, it's succeeding right on that level. Absolutely, yeah. We're getting more people to buy stuff. We're getting more people to, you know, do work out, you know, to enroll and work out programs or become members of a gym.

But are we helping people? No, nobody's health and fitness is, I mean, generally hasn't really helped. I think there's also this side of the martyrdom. People identify with being a martyr. And it's a natural thing that we tend to do. I'm going and I'm going to grind and work hard and get sore and it's that story of like,

I dedicated my life to this and I woke up at 5 a.m. and I felt and everybody loves to hear that story so people want they identify with being the martyr. You hear this with athletes and with stage competition athletes all the time. I did this many hours of this. I did this restriction on my food. I didn't need anything.

And it's like it's a badge of honor to be a martyr with what you're doing. And the, the, part of it is like, people want to feel like they're doing, like, they're helping, but they don't necessarily want to help. So I'll explain what I mean by that. If you look at, like, look at, like, the poor people, let's look at, let's look at the disenfranchised, let's look at, you know, if you see people on the streets, you want to feed them, you own a house and whatever. A lot of people like to vote for policies that make them feel like they're helping, but how many people actually help? How much help

are we actually- Or physically there. Or not only physically there, but if we look at like the money you spend and how much we actually get out of it and why is this not working, people would rat- they want relief from the feeling of, I need to do something, not actually doing something. And when it comes to working out, I think people, we've identified, you know, being overweight out of shape and unhealthy with lazy,

you're lazy, you don't have any discipline and you're just a fuck up, which I sometimes is true. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes you are lazy. Sometimes you are lazy. Well really it's like, but a lot of times, it's not, a lot of times it's true, I'm not gonna lie, sometimes you are lazy, sometimes you are lazy. Well really it's like, but a lot of times it's not, a lot of times it's the whole approach is totally fucking wrong, but when they go into the gym, they're like,

I'm gonna sweat, I'm gonna bust my ass, I'm gonna apply this high intensity, I am a hard worker, I'm gonna show everybody that I'm doing this, and it's this unenjoyable. And people identify with exercises that needs to be something that they hate. Well some people are having success with it. So I look at it's this unenjoyable. And people identify with exercises it needs to be something that they hate. Well, some people are having success with it. So I look at it like this.

It's like taking a car and I'm gonna push this car across the hundred yards and the harder you push this car and the less breaks you take, the faster you're probably gonna push the car than the other guy. But guess what, there's an option for you to get in the car and fucking turn it on and drive it the hundred yards.

And that's a lot easier and a lot faster You need to think of that. Yeah, but that's what I mean. They're identifying with the hard That's the exactly that's the finnesty because there is people that push the fuck out of the car We all right now. Okay, the the four of us could go out to a field put a car on there put it in neutral And we could push it across the field and each one one guy would push it fast on the other. Like, right, Sal goes first, then Justin goes and I go, we're all trying to be each other and it's all turning into this, who can go harder can get across there.

Then Doug comes along, he gets in the car, he starts it and drives it there faster than all of us. And it's like, that's really what everybody looks like. And then everybody who pushed the car, Doug uses your brain. Yeah, and then everybody who pushed the car is like, that doesn't count. I was running, I was pushing.

I was a bit 5am. I just said it's already being pushed in. It's more like a push. So, I mean, you can still get the car there. That's why, that's why it still exists, right? If people were pushing their bodies that hard and they weren't seeing the results by from all the sacrifice and the hard work,

then it still wouldn't survive and be there. But some people do. Some people do have the ability to actually push their way all the way. And I saw this so much in the competitive world. I mean, this is really, I think that the number one thing that separates the average Joe from the competitors is these competitors have this ability to just shut off the rest of the world, not give a fuck about their relationships, anything else, put there, it's a very selfish sport, and they can grind all the way through it better than most.

They have a very competitive attitude towards it, but there is a much easier way. And for the average person who's listening to this, that just wants to get in good shape, it ain't that fucking hard. It is not that hard. It takes some discipline, yes it does, but it doesn't need to be this fucking.

Well, that's one of the reasons why I mean, we're in January, right? It's one of the reasons why the commercials that we're running and I'm sure there'll be one at the beginning of this episode where I pitched the the Super Bundle because I know a lot of people are starting off this, you know, in January, getting serious like, okay, I'm going to go to the gym now, I'm going to get in shape. And with something like a Super super bundle, you have a plan so that you're not going in there and just identifying what the pain and the heart or whatever. You have a structured plan, you can see what you're doing,

trust the process so that you override your natural tendency to want to make this as painful as possible, and then watch what happens. People will get so much further along if they just do this. This is such a great question to lead into this next one, Doug. Next question is from Cody Patrick. What are your thoughts on the show fit to fat to fit? I think it's pure awesome entertainment. I don't think it benefits anybody or most people in any positive way. I'll tell you why I would never do. So, fit to fit.

Explain what that is. Is a show where they'll take somebody. By the way, he's been trying to get on our show for quite some time. The guy that did this one, yeah. I've turned him down. This is a show where you'll get these ex-trainers or the current trainers, fitness fanatics, whatever. They're like bodybuilders.

Yeah, they're super fit. Purposely get fat. They'll purposely get really fat. And then the goal is now to get fit again and the goal the the entertaining aspect of the show is now they get to feel what it's like to be really overweight and they get to feel what it's like to get really fit and they can you know they can live through and they can become more empathetic towards their clients and other people who have the struggle here's why I would never do it that is a they it is a not a healthy

to have this struggle. Here's why I would never do it. That is a, it is a not a healthy, fuck situation. They are, they're going from extreme fitness to, well, you've seen SuperSize me, right? Yeah. Like SuperSize me, he wasn't even trying to get fat. He was just eating fast food every single day.

Like these people are active, like they have, and what they're doing is they're like sitting in front of the TV all day. Yes, no. Eating terrible food all day long. They're for, I mean, they're forcing it down because they have certain they have to get to a certain point to even be able to do this. Dude, I just read a study.

This is just reminding me of a study that I read. Somebody sent it to me where they're showing that when you go through a process of that, that there's some epigenetic changes where your immune system has a memory. Oh, shit. So although, so if you make yourself super unhealthy, it's really obese and very unhealthy, and then you lose all the weight, that your immune system remembers

how you were for a lot longer. So even though you're fit now and all that stuff, it could take a lot longer for your, that inflammatory state of your immune system. And these are animal studies, so they're going to do some on humans that, you know, could linger. And I don't doubt that this will happen with people, so not a good idea. Well, part of the reason why those might be wondering why I haven't, this guy's been

reaching out to me to get on the show for quite some time. And I've just, I've not been interested because I have no desire to promote what he's doing. You know, to each their own, if you've found out a clever idea, and I've seen it, I've watched several episodes. It's an angle for sure. Right, yeah, I mean, to me, it's the same old shit in the fitness industry, you know? It's like, it's all purely based off.

You're a fat piece of shit, I'm gonna be just like you. I mean, then come back. I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan of it. I think I just summed up this whole story. It sucked me into watching it enough, and when I watched it, I was really not impressed with the caliber

of the trainer's work. Which by the way, most really educated trainers are gonna tell you, fuck off. I didn't put myself through that. I don't need to put myself through that to be able to connect to my clients and understand where they're coming from. And so, I can actually have empathy

and just be the same. Right, I am. No, you're right. We watched, didn so I can actually have empathy and just be in the same size. I am. No, you're right. Didn't we all watch it? Yeah, I was doing it. I was doing it at my house, but that was when you stayed with me for a while. Yeah, and they watched a couple episodes.

And they, and it was. The trainers are awful. No, well, it was terrible, because now that one of the trainers, like the trainer will get out of shape and fat. He has to go do workouts to get fit, but he has to get trained by another trainer. How do you think that trainer trains him because they're on TV?

Right. Just like the fuck out of him. It's meant to be all day. They can have him throw up. They can throw up all that stuff. Yeah, no, it's so horrible. I am not a fan of the show. I am not a fan of the idea.

Sure, do I think that a train, okay, being a guy now who's 36 years old and I have been overweight, I've been up to 20% plus body fat and leaned all the way down to sub three. And to go through that whole process has made me more in tune with my body, give me more empathy for clients trying to lose body fat and come down. So sure, I can definitely agree with some of the positive effects that come with it. But by no means what I ever tell,

that's like anything, like any adversity in your life. But I would never force that adversity on somebody, especially when it has health detriment to it. So to me, that part of it is the silly part. I would never consider intentionally making myself fat to lose weight just so I can get better connected for my clients and show people, plus now I use the fact that I had fallen out of shape

and I got shredded to actually grow my social media. So again, I can totally understand it. But by no means that I like actively go get fat. I was like, try it. I was organic. Yeah, it was organic. I got to a point where for the first time in my life that I actually felt like I was, whoa, I'm out of shape.

I've never had struggled with extra weight. I'll tell you what happens. I have yet to see a fitness show on TV that does a good job. All of them glamorize and you know, hype up the intensity aspect. All of them show people puking from the workouts. All of them show terrible,

terrible practices to get coached. Cameron on the whole time. It's promoting bullshit. It's promoting the myths, but I will say this. I feel like, I personally feel like the time is right now for a show that could show it being done the right way. It would require good editing. I disagree.

I think it could. I think it could be entertaining with the right editing. Look, imagine if we were on a show, imagine if we were on a TV show and we had clients who were overweight and they filmed it the whole actual time. They didn't just tell us to. We need like a year. Right. Imagine if they said, okay, we'll give you six months.

Let's say six months. That's at least six months. There's just an amount of time. Yeah, you just, but imagine the conversations. Just why you're wrong, though. You don't think so? No, I know. You're wrong. I know you're wrong. And this is why Just why you're wrong, though. You don't think so? No, I know.

You're wrong. I know you're wrong. And this is why I know you're wrong, because I've seen enough stuff on why they do play into the drama, because that's what gets ratings, man. And telling the truth is not exciting enough. I don't know, dude. Look at our show. Our show is grown, and we have said everything opposite. And when we enter...

We talked about the jazling, bro. We've talked about the fishy shit. Oh, no, no, hold on. There's an entertaining aspect. I'm not saying that this won't have that show like that would be just straight like whatever. But what I think is if it's edited properly and it shows the real process because enough people are this is why you gotta read this why you gotta read the book hit makers the reason why we still we are you guys know that we still are all of us are watch soap operas. Soap operas are still fucking in our everyday

America lives. Wrestling is a soap opera. Right, everything, because we thrive off of that, whether we want to admit it or not, and it's just told in different stories. So if you were gonna do a fitness show like that and it be successful, I mean, biggest loser in example this, I felt like biggest loser

was the first two seasons. I really liked it. I thought the what they were conveying what they were showing on it, but what they realized was the episodes that showed a little bit of the drama, dramatic loss. You can get you better ratings. So let's hammer the fuck out of it. They can start skinny as possible. Exactly. So they start coaching to the drama. So maybe a show like you're saying, South could start off that way. But what will I think there's a lot of drama? I know it's not the same kind of drama, right?

But the natural stuff tends to happen. It's challenging regardless. I think maybe I'm just projecting that that's what I would like. Yeah, that's the reality. But I think with the right. I agree with you. I'm with you.

I would like to see that. I think there are people that listen to our show that say, yeah, I would watch that. But you're not America. You guys are a fraction, a very small fraction. Maybe an internet show. You could launch something like that. Well, I agree that we could,

I think you're gonna do it on a memory. My input media could produce a YouTube type of series like that that I think could do very well. I think it'd be better as like a documentary, like a long, you know, like well, thought outs, you know, like well thought outs, you know, spelled out like, okay, we did this span of months, this is what happened

and then you do check-ins, like, so that way you get like, re-cated. Yeah, it's like a real peer insight into somebody that like, changed their life. I agree, I agree with that, but that's it though. You know why I think it would do well, something like that, if it's done right, of course, because if it's done right, I feel like,

first of all, the timing is good, because so many people have been exposed so much of the same kind of fitness, that'll be a little counter. So people are like, whoa, this is different. And I think enough people have gone through the old fitness to see that it doesn't work. So now, your direction, your theory,

thinking the right now is off, because I'll tell you right now, especially guy like you who's so into studies and research, like the research is already proven, man. They've already done this. This has all been done before, like, what if we did this way? And what if we did that? I'll tell you what, that's why.

Well, here's why I'll argue that, and I'm not, but a TV executive or any of that stuff, and I'm not talking about, I'm not really even talking about network TV, but here's why I think I may be right, because had you gone to food companies and said, just five years ago, 10 years ago because had you gone to food companies and said just five years ago, 10 years ago, if you went to food companies and said, hey, people are going to be more interested in the quality and the sourcing of your ingredients than they are in fat grams and total calories and stuff like that.

They would have allgy. They would have laughed. It's a bad analogy. Why? It's totally changed. It's food and health. You're entertaining the brain. Totally different. I'm not. It's a two. You're different about entertaining the brain, totally different. I'm not, you're different operating system.

I, well, totally different. Well, so think about this way. There are lots of documentaries that have done exceptionally well that are far less about the old hype and more about the real deal. I think people may be ready to see in here what really, what it, how really fucking works.

It may be just shocking enough and interesting enough. I don't know, maybe I'm pitching it to, you know, out in the ether, but I think, I feel like there might be a market for this. I really do, because I can't, can you think of any fitness, anything that's come out, that's shown anything real? It's all been fake, you know what I'm saying?

No, see, again, when biggest losers started off, I watched the first five seasons. It was really good, dude. It's exactly what you're talking about. They told a very good story, and there wasn't all this manipulating the weight and crazy, like, killing them last chance workout. That evolved later on.

I wonder if this is- Because what ended up happening, and they've done this, and I've read articles on this. This is where I'm read. I enjoy this stuff. I enjoy reading into all this stuff. The book hitmakers gets into this in great detail that we are attracted to something that we recognize

that's been passed. New is not what we normally want. We just want the story told a different way. And so this is- The different way. Yeah, it is. And I'm not saying that people wouldn't watch it. Like, we have an audience that would probably watch it

because I'm just telling you that it wouldn't be a blockbuster idea, bro. It's not what you, and it will, people will always, something like a Viseland dock where it's like, you know, it's this cool new wave of like underground, like people want raw real information and all that, like there's gonna be a market for that, but it's still not, it's just not,

can you just not be open-minded about the fact that it's not, it's entertaining. Yeah, well, I know that. I know that. You go to a, you go to an ND 500 or not because it's entertaining to watch cargo in circles because you think maybe a car will hit another car in a big explosion will happen. You go to football, not because you can't really compete with that. If you just, yeah, if you just get you, why do you go to professional football versus like some Peewee

football, because you enjoy the level of the hits and the crashes and the drama that's involved in it, right? There's just, we, we seek that as humans, it's a very natural thing that we seek for entertainment. And bottom line is, dude, that type of, it's a very natural thing that we seek for entertainment and bottom line as dude, that type of shoot would not get the ratings that it would need to survive. I'm on a site right now looking up the biggest loser, because I was just curious.

And season one or two was some of the highest ranked ones in terms of, so maybe they changed it because they were trying to keep their audience, rather than, oh yeah, absolutely. I feel like the story, the story could get boring. Right, once you tell the story, it could get bored, especially with a formula like that oh yeah, absolutely. I feel like the story the story could get boring right once you tell the story It could get more especially with a formula like that. So right Yeah, once you see it once you've seen it one time like oh cool

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