Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 693: The Future of Fast Food, Overcoming Insecurities, Developing a Spice Intolerance & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pomp. Where are we at, dude? In this remote episode, we're here in Austin, Texas, in the, uh, on it, Fletcher House, uh, find out why it's called. Man, shout out to the boys at on it, Aubrey Kyle, our boy,

Starting point is 00:00:29 Kyle Kingsbury, the director of human optimization. Hooked it up. Setting us up. They had read corporate treatment man this time. So for the first 40 minutes, we have our introductory conversation. Until then we get into the questions. But before we get into the questions, let me go over what we talked about We talked about the Fletcher house find out why it's called the Fletcher house. The story is way less interesting than you think.

Starting point is 00:00:54 We over hyped it. We talk about using melatonin as a drug. We talk about cloning Prinates Should we be doing that or should we not be doing that? And are we going? I am frightened. Have you seen Planet of the Apes? Yes. I have. We talk about the evolution of human beings, the plugged in versus the unplugged

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Starting point is 00:01:59 you probably should get life insurance. If you go to healthicu.com forward slash mind pump, you'll get something cool. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, how has fast food changed over the years? And what does the future of the industry look like as far as menu changes in order for these huge businesses to survive? As people become more health conscious. More burrito tacos. Yeah, that's right. Fire cheetos.

Starting point is 00:02:27 Yeah, fire cheetos. The next question was, this particular individual says that we like to discuss insecurities as being a major factor. We got lots of them. In issues, how do we recommend people get over insecurities? And more specifically, what has helped us get over our own Justin has an insecurity with his extremely handsome,

Starting point is 00:02:46 good looks. We talk about that in terms of that. We talk it out. That's how I deal with it. The next question was, is it possible to build a food intolerance to seasonings? Like, can you get a food intolerance to garlic? This answer will surprise you.

Starting point is 00:02:58 Now, I'm Italian and I think garlic is the food of the gods. So what do I have to say about this? Probably a vampire if you can't do it. Exactly. God, what if vampires just have a bad garlic intolerance? I think garlic is the food of the gods. So what do I have to say about this? I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this.

Starting point is 00:03:10 I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this.

Starting point is 00:03:18 I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to say about this. I have to healthy lifestyle and it kills them to see their dad feed their disease every single day and they feel helpless. What strategies do we have to help her or him convince their dad to change their diet to maybe salt lots of what nuggets did you call that last night?

Starting point is 00:03:38 Lots of what kind of a nugget bombs lots of nugget bombs that one. I just made that up just and hashtag. I have to live with it now. Hey, you know what? nugget bomb early this morning, Justin woke up and dropped some nugget I'm dropping nugget bombs all over the house over the place. Yeah. Also, sorry about that, Kyle. I want to mention something extremely important now. It's been it's been brought to my attention that there are some some I guess there's some wars being waged right now between different clans of people fighting over the extremely rare and valuable mind-pump t-shirts

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Starting point is 00:06:18 Come and lie, dude, from the Onet House. From the Fletcher House. Yeah, that's awesome. They named this house the Fletcher House. Better. And when they first told us, you guys, by the way, Kyle from the on it, franchise or the automatic director of the director of human optimization, fucking powerful title. Great guy.

Starting point is 00:06:36 We love him. And he's shown us a phenomenal hospitality. They put us up in the Fletcher house. I'll be honest, when I first saw that that we're going to stay at something called the Fletcher house, I was a little bit... I want to know the backstory. Yeah, I'm a little worried. I'm like, why is it the Fletcher house? What did Fletcher do there?

Starting point is 00:06:51 Right. And why was it branded that? And then we drove up to the... His historical mass murder. Yeah, and then we drove up to it. It's on Fletcher Street. So I think it's... I think that's probably a pretty self-explanatory.

Starting point is 00:07:00 Yeah, but... There we go. Nothing cool about that. I thought there'd be a cool story behind it when we asked Kyle. I wasn't haunted either. I was a little worried last night. You didn't get staying in a new place. It might be haunted.

Starting point is 00:07:12 You didn't hear weird noises or anything at night? No, but you know in my closet, there's like an extra little tiny door. And yeah, did you open it? No, I was like, I didn't want to open it. You're scared. Is it locked? Yeah, no, it's open.

Starting point is 00:07:26 I'm gonna check it out tonight and see if there's any little gremlin's in there or anything. I need to get rid of. Pro. I feel like there'd be like, I'll ask us there, I'm on here something. I'm on there. Yeah, there's like a secret entrance.

Starting point is 00:07:38 Yeah, you open it up and there's like people like, we've been waiting. I'm digging the house. I really like it, man. I actually haven't even been upstairs to check out your guys' whole little pad up there. I mean, down here is so nice. And I like the modern feel to it. It is a brand new house, man.

Starting point is 00:07:51 It's nice. It's fully stocked with stuff we can eat and on it products that we can use on our skin, like the soaps and all that stuff. And I have to say, the shampoo and the soap is nice. Yeah, I like it. I like it. It's pretty good. We're not even affiliated and I'm giving them a plug.

Starting point is 00:08:08 It's good stuff. It's because it's good stuff. You some of the melatonin last night, that was good. Did you really? Oh yeah, you did. You sprayed that right in your face. Yeah. Cause you just do one spray or six sprays.

Starting point is 00:08:17 No, I only did a couple. Good. Yeah, because it says to do six sprays, which is three milligrams of melatonin. That's too much. Yeah. That's a lot. That'll cause your body to... Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:28 No, it'll make your body produce less melatonin. Yeah, but you have to do that consistently. Not one time is not gonna hurt you. In fact, there's some benefits to do in like a mega dose after flights. I can't remember. That's the reset your circadian rhythm. Right.

Starting point is 00:08:39 But there is, you know, it's interesting. We don't know how that feedback loop works. For example, if I gave you, if I give somebody testosterone today, we know how much that'll affect your testosterone immediately. And you do get an effect right away, but then it bounces back. If you stay on testosterone for longer than it affects it more. We don't necessarily know with melatonin, right? Like if I give you one big dose,

Starting point is 00:09:02 are you gonna get less natural melatonin the next day, or does it take longer than that? So I don't know. So if I, like, I use it this way, and I think it was, I wanna say it was Ben Greenfield or some article. Greenfield's real big on that. Right, I can't remember where. We push this shit hard though.

Starting point is 00:09:17 No, I know, of course. So I know, and that's not. Keep me ejecting yourself with stem cells. But we travel, we travel, we fly so much, and when we get back home, this is actually, I have melatonin that sits right by my, my dresser. And I take that like whatever we get back from a trip.

Starting point is 00:09:34 And it's the only time I take it. I don't ever take it any other time, but I take like 10 milligrams. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have crazy vivid dreams? No, no.

Starting point is 00:09:44 Really? Yeah, I sleep like a baby. I wake up the next day, feel incredible. I feel like my, and I've done it before where I've wanted it. You just do one time. Yeah, I like to make them to, yeah, okay. Yeah, one time. That's it. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:09:56 And that's why when you said that, I'm like, well, I don't know if Justin takes Militone on a regular basis or email, I don't. Right. So I don't think it would have hurt him to do six. Yeah, only when I'm surprised. And, and, because I, I've I've done I didn't just go to 10 milligrams. I have I have three milligrams and five milligrams. I actually have two

Starting point is 00:10:09 milliliton of water. So slowly worked your sweat. Right. Yeah. I tried three. Didn't really feel like I got a real positive like benefit from it. Five kind of and then I'm gonna drink the whole bottle tonight. It's it's non toxic. But so or I shouldn't-toxic, but it's very low toxicity. So you could technically drink the whole bottle, but I don't know. Right. My theory on this is just like anything else like you brought up with testosterone. I think one mega dose of it, I don't think would kill somebody or fuck up your complete hormone profile, but I definitely definitely would not be good if you continually did that. I know that for sure you know that would downregulate you for sure you I've heard that can be addictive to

Starting point is 00:10:48 so the researcher who or one of the main the top researchers on melatonin science and of course I don't remember his name and I'm going to piss everybody off because I don't but I did listen to some interviews I did read some of his articles and he said that the ideal dose of melatonin is something like a quarter to half a gram of melatonin because of the effect on your own natural melatonin production. I did not hear what they said though about changing or helping your body adjust to its circadian rhythm and I would assume that you're probably right that you need a bigger dose for something like that because he was talking about just using it on a regular basis. Right, so I, like I said, I've had this bottle for probably easily over a year

Starting point is 00:11:30 and it's not even halfway gone. So I only use it when we get back, because that's, I noticed, especially when we have somewhere here where we're a couple hours different, it's just enough to throw off my sleep and then I kind of feel groggy the next day. Plus we get so hyped the more around each other like this. Right, right. Yeah, we're going a hundred miles an hour and then it's even hard for me to come down when I come home because Katrina always wants me to download everything because she's curious about everything. You know,

Starting point is 00:11:50 and and we've tried this before. I'm like, Hey, let's just not talk until tomorrow. You know, it's then that's awful. You know, I'm saying so and it eventually comes out anyways. And so, you know, once I I rattle off to her late at night, I have a really tough time sleeping. So I will do this mega dose. What I call mega dose. It's two pills. You know, I have I have five milligram and three milligram ones and I just take two of the other story. Take eight yeah eight milligrams. No 10. So that's take two five into three. Yeah. Well, I have two bottles that I have so you go two five. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So I'll do I'll do a half to a gram at the most, but I do extended release also,

Starting point is 00:12:25 because what I did notice, I don't know if you noticed this or maybe you just then, did you wake up at all in the middle of the night? Yeah. Okay, so what I've noticed, and they've shown this in studies is if you take melatonin, yes, you will go to sleep faster and you tend to sleep deeper, but once that dose that you took wears off,

Starting point is 00:12:40 it elicits this wakefulness response. And so what I've noticed for myself is if I take a pill that's not extended release, I'll go to sleep hard and I'll sleep good, but right around like 3 a.m. 2 a.m. I'm like, up. And I think it's because- Yeah, it's because it's that would happen. Yeah, so I will get the extended release ones and that typically doesn't happen when I take those. I'll fall asleep and I'll stay asleep. Now is the- There should have gone like another two sprays.

Starting point is 00:13:05 What I would do is I have some extended release. No, this one isn't. This is a spray and it's immediate. There is no extended release. Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah. So they make pills that are extended release that are supposed to be better and mimic a little.

Starting point is 00:13:17 Did you try their stuff last night? I didn't. I took the night time on it. What is it? The pack or whatever. Yeah. But that had things like Valerian and Camel Mill and 5HTP and I'll know what you served all of us up

Starting point is 00:13:31 That's what I gave you guys. I just trust you when you give us I don't know This is probably dangerous is not right. No, no, you can trust me pills and I just take it like you can play faith If you ever fuck with me We were joking yesterday. What was happening yesterday? We were gonna do If you ever fuck with me, probably be a little worried, right? I don't know, dude. Yeah. We were joking yesterday. What was happening yesterday? We were going to do, we were talking about today because we're going to do an interview today.

Starting point is 00:13:51 We're interviewing Aubrey Marcus at Onnet, and we were joking around. And you were making that joke how you just trust whatever I take. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to give him a bunch of shitty stuff so that I can sound better than ever. What were you telling you, dude? He said what you can do? I was giving you the nighttime packing. Like, what is this, I'm like a fedra.

Starting point is 00:14:05 This is after you started. Oh, yeah, that's what it was. You know, wear a towel all night. Dude, so we got some current events that I posted. Two of them, one of them is controversial and the other one's way more controversial. So I'll start with the less controversial one. So this is a breakthrough.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Yeah, I'm up. Okay. This is a breakthrough now in science. For the first time ever, they have cloned, primates. Oh, I saw you post that in the forum yesterday. They wear US. US is in it.

Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah. So they've Is that picture the apes? Is that picture the actual actual picture of them? Yeah. So, so we've only cloned so far in the US. I think we're sheep, right? Dolly and whatever. Now we've done itoned so far in the US. I think we're sheep, right? Dolly and whatever.

Starting point is 00:14:45 Now we've done it with primates, with monkeys. So we've actually cloned. The fuck is wrong with us. Now, China is doing a lot of research, and this is known on this type of science. What we don't know, and always the fear of communist regimes in particular, because they tend to hide a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:15:04 And hey, this is true for us too, though, is how much are they doing on humans? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, how much weird shady stuff. So I saw you posted and you just put stop it. Yeah. So are you super anti-alent, 100%? You know what I'm anti-alent?

Starting point is 00:15:18 Let me tell you something, especially what's our mass? Black mirror after watching Black mirror. I have this like, what if, though, bro, in our lifetime, we've not only figured out how to clone ourselves, but then also download our consciousness. So right before we're about to go, we fucking hook up a younger version of ourselves and shoot over to basically ourselves again.

Starting point is 00:15:36 But we have a way more. Why is there a movie is that? I don't know. They like grow themselves again, and then they end up like taking their consciousness into them. That's a sci-fi movie. You know what that's your job.

Starting point is 00:15:49 That's messed up. You know what the problem with that is? The problem, and this is a fundamental issue with this. It's a philosophical one, but it's also fundamentally, it's impossible to figure out, is, are you, if it were possible, which it's not right now, but let's say we're in the future and we've got this crazy technology, is that really you, or is that a copy of you? But here's the thing when I say, who knows?

Starting point is 00:16:10 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to everybody around you. It doesn't matter to me, or who I am, or whatever, right? Or are you saying like, I could die and then I would. It's not really you, because you didn't really have the same experiences as you. But it does, because it's got the memory of those experiences. Right, you have to express those memories.

Starting point is 00:16:24 I don't know, it's fucking weird, dude. It's a weird mind-fuck. It's like embedded in the DNA, but like it has to get a good experience. But it's not really you. So like all of a sudden like, oh, daddy, it's bad. It's bad. It's different personality until it gets developed.

Starting point is 00:16:35 Or what if it's exactly, it's identical to you. It's got your memories, got everything, but it's not really you. And then that goes into the whole life. Do we have a soul? Do we have a form? Do you think in 2Dbond that makes me weird, get weird. Yeah. I get hello weird when we start talking about that. Would you let your clone beg your wife? That's what I want to know.

Starting point is 00:16:49 Would I? Only if I could watch. I know. So anyway, so here's my problem with what we're doing is in into you know the worship worshiping intellectualism or science in general science is definitely not perfect. Worshiping science is definitely not for anything you worshiping science is definitely not perfect. Anything you worship, any time you worship anything, you got problems. And what the thing that I fear about science

Starting point is 00:17:10 has been proven over and over again is just because we can, doesn't mean we should. How many times will we fucking done this where we think we understand something? So we fucking do it. And at least to do what we can do. And by all means necessary without thinking about the ramifications now, it's like, like, there's really no slowing, like,

Starting point is 00:17:30 there's nobody with breaks, but they're kind of like cautioning, like, well, what if we, what if this happens as a result of? Well, there's also that conundrum too that like, we're here in the United States, and this is something that we're talking about doing. But fucking China's way ahead of us on there, like, yeah, we're not arms race. Right. If everybody was together and said, Hey, listen, let's not fuck with this as a planet.

Starting point is 00:17:51 And we all agree, but we can't do that. So there's going to be countries and leaders that are, you're right. They're doing a sign of doubles. It's population. So like a year. And that's that, well, that's, that's, that's the fear, right? The fear is or the motivation many times to allow this kind of stuff is like, hey, the other guys are doing it.

Starting point is 00:18:07 Right. But there's a couple problems that one, and there's another topic we'll get into that I was going to talk about that covers us also. When you have a problem, the solution is usually not more of the problem. So that's number one. So it's like, hey, you know, I can agree with that. There's that, but there's got to be exceptions to the rule like this one, because here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:18:24 Let's be honest. And you, and you talk about the evil in the world all the time. Right. I think that China could all send produce a million soldiers. You know what I'm saying? That's why I like send them over. They don't give a fuck their clones. You know what I'm saying? Oh my god. Send them over to take over the United States. Like so you got to think that we have to at least actively be on top of our science. So we know that. So here's the thing. First and foremost, those clones would be conscious. We have room for all those clones. Would be conscious.

Starting point is 00:18:49 They would have their own. I know. That's totally exact. I know. Yeah. You get what I mean. I do. But here's the other.

Starting point is 00:18:56 There's a few. There's a few conundrums here. I'll give you an example. That's different so we can kind of understand what's happening here. Let's say today we all of a sudden discovered a way to stop aging. Let's say, oh my God, we've discovered the cure for aging and nobody will ever die of any age-related disease or just from getting old.

Starting point is 00:19:15 And so immediately, everybody embraces that because fuck, let's be honest. That is the ultimate problem of humanity is that we're all gonna die. Everybody's gonna experience the pain of losing someone due to age or age-related death. So it feels right, right? It feels good and it feels right humanity is that we're all gonna die. Everybody's in experience the pain of losing someone due to age or age related death. So it feels right, right? It feels good and it feels right to cure that.

Starting point is 00:19:30 So now let's imagine everybody now lives forever. What we don't know is what are the unintended consequences of that? Human morality and human ethics and human thought and consciousness is now based on forever, the idea that we're going to die Like what does that mean does that throw out a window? How will people act will people become depressed because they don't have any purpose Will people all of a sudden stop valuing?

Starting point is 00:19:53 Other you know certain things and who knows what that could possibly mean and I'm not saying it's a bad thing I'm just saying we need to like treat these things like very carefully and delicately Yeah, and not be so narcissistic to think that because we can, we should, because we're so brilliant, and we know all the answers, and we just fucking don't man. I mean, do you feel that that's the way it is

Starting point is 00:20:13 or could it be potentially like what I said, which is in fear of that there is another country that is ahead on the science, we need to be at least there on the science, so maybe we'll fuck around with some monkeys and eventually if they, you know what I'm saying? So we're pushing the limits because we know they're already pushing the limits

Starting point is 00:20:27 and we just need to make sure that we know what we're, on our hands, not necessarily that we're gonna start doing this or patent it or let other people do it or teach other people how to do it. It's like, it's either gonna be planted or the apes or some weird like vampire, like, or a girl, you know, it's just living forever. You guys are crazy, dude.

Starting point is 00:20:43 I don't know, man. Which are creeps, you know. I mean, look at, it's like the fundamental problem. This conspiracy theory, dude. By the way, this is an existential problem. This isn't just like a problem for me and you. This is a human problem, is that our knowledge is so powerful that we're always in these conundrums where it can be good or bad.

Starting point is 00:21:01 Let's look at nuclear power, for example. When we discovered how to split the atom, like all of a sudden we have all this incredible knowledge and power in our fingertips, we could create nuclear power, which can fuel our civilizations. And if we're smart about it, produces very little waste

Starting point is 00:21:17 and does all this awesome stuff. It also produced atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs, which so far has only been used twice. Destroyed millions of people. But if it wasn't Einstein completely scared to death of that, exactly that happening. Absolutely. That was the fear of that of that knowledge and information. Immediately, he had the whereabouts to think everybody on that Manhattan project.

Starting point is 00:21:39 Dude, and so far, nuclear power has done or nuclear bombs. Yes, we've dropped two of them, but the argument can be said that we actually probably killed less people than if we had we not used them. And so far, nuclear bombs have prevented another massive world war so far and so far that may show that may be some evidence that humans at the end of it are kind of like, okay, we need to be cool and not all kill ourselves. Because if we didn't have them, I'm pretty sure the Soviets and the US would have gone that's interesting We almost need that like extreme. We need to know where where the end line is, you know, like that's the extreme And like if we do launch one of these it's gonna wipe out most of humanity

Starting point is 00:22:18 So there's like well, we're not gonna fuck with this and that's what prevent it prevents like, you know, this bullshit That's what prevent look that's what prevents pack, you, you know pack is then in India from going at each other They don't like each other either, but they all have nukes and so like well, we can't go to war Don't you feel like sometimes that we're just kind of going through this growing pain though of all evolving as humans I really would think that a superior version of ourselves wouldn't be more violent I think that it hasn't proven to be successful forever I think the more evolved version of humans don't look at things that way. So I feel like we are at some of the scariest

Starting point is 00:22:50 times when it comes to that. Will it get a little worse before it gets better? Maybe. I don't think that we'll go all the way. I don't think we'll destroy ourselves. I think that I would like to think that humanity is evolving better. So I have a very, I have a positive outlook like you because historically that's what's happened, but there have been corrections through all of history where humans fuck up and a lot of people die and then people kind of learn from it and then they get better. The problem is our technology gets better. The reality or the potential for our fuck ups to be catastrophic, become much higher.

Starting point is 00:23:22 Intensify. Yeah, like if you go back in time, you're like, okay, humans, you know, they believe, let's say they believed in this like, in certain theories or whatever, and they apply them and, you know, look at Marxism and communism, and that killed millions of millions of people,

Starting point is 00:23:36 but, you know, humanity survived. Well, what if we fuck up again with nukes or we fuck up with biological, you know, weapons, and now it's got the potential to, not just wipe out hundreds of millions of people, but everybody, you know, I'm saying. I think it's, I think we're going to I think the way technology is going, we're more likely to evolve towards the player one direction than anything else. And then no one, there won't be worry about war and stuff. If there will be any war, it'll be done virtually. And it won't hurt anybody.

Starting point is 00:24:02 And we won't, and nobody will really interact with each other because they're stuck in their homes all day with some fucking goggles on their head because the virtual world is better than their fucking real world and we'll have found a way for people to still do I that's what I think I think we're building this alternate world within our world and people are gonna be plugged into it like a motherfucker. This is also why I think the counter and we're seeing that right now we talk about news. This is also why I think the counter and we're seeing that right now. We've talked about news Did you hear what Taylor was just talking about? No, this right now. It's a hundred and forty three billion dollar industry right now is building these Communities that cater to this like You know, they you can grow all your organic vegetables in there the way the how the fung shui of the house is all set up The light sunlight to hit it. I mean, it's just this, I mean, it's like a modern hippies.

Starting point is 00:24:45 That's what it feels like to me, but it's on the rise, like big time. And that's the counter to this, the other part, which is, you know, we have this becoming so plugged in. So I feel like we're gonna see both these polar opposites. And they both, I think, will coexist. I think you'll have some people that will revolt. Totally.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Against it, and they'll want nothing to do with it, because we've already proved it as humans, we could survive without it. And you'll have people that will do that intentionally and it'll be a huge market of people. Then there'll be other people that don't even leave their fucking house because how many anti-social people do you already know that already have a hard time talking to people in person and don't have social awareness. This just makes it even easier from. Look, we're online dating.

Starting point is 00:25:23 It's gone in the last like five years, right? I know. I agree with you. Like it was something when it first came out, it would be mush. You made fun of people that did online dating. Now let's see, other way around. Like, oh, you met somebody in a bar, you actually, like, why wouldn't you just get online?

Starting point is 00:25:35 That's a waste of time. That's a waste of time. You probably have to go through seven people that are nothing like you. We already have evidence of that. Obviously, we have modern societies. We have all this technology, and then we still have Amish people who decide not not to I just think a majority people won't want to

Starting point is 00:25:49 You know shun it most people will want to be plugged in that's why I think though It'll really be a major division there Yeah, I gotta figure out how to make like your your body not completely deteriorate and like go to complete mush if everybody If you don't need your body, you know't go so big that there will be VR business. It's crazy. For sure. There will be on like, still be businesses that are built within the VR world and there'll be people

Starting point is 00:26:12 that you're either part of the plugged in people or you're the unplugged people. There'll be two real separate communities and I think that's coming faster than anything else. And within that, I don't think there's gonna be a lot of war between us. It'll be like, that's why you want to live. Well, so on that point, one of the easier you to take over though, if you're the plugged-in

Starting point is 00:26:32 group of people and you're just laying there, right? They're going to come in. Well, so there's two things. First off, I think you're right. For example, today, the reason why China, who's the other world superpower, poses not even a fraction of the threat that the Soviets posed to us, is because we trade so much with China, because we work with them so much. So we have this kind of mutual, like not only mutual destruction. Yeah, we can't really kill each other because we're in a hurry, Connick. Not only that, I mean, we could destroy everybody, but if we fuck with each other enough, we're really just fucking with ourselves.

Starting point is 00:27:06 So there's, you know, there's, you know, that's a big a part of it. But here's another question too about like, this technology we talked about online dating. It's posing interesting problems. For example, when you used to date before, you had kind of this finite, you know, amount of options that you had in front of you.

Starting point is 00:27:24 So here you are, you're a person. You have options in front of you for who you're gonna date. And it typically, there's definitely like, equal in terms of looks and values and that kind of stuff. And it's around your town, people around you. But now people are being presented with a tremendous amount of opportunities, a tremendous amount of choices with online dating Tinder is a good example of that. I think there's good to that. And I also think there's some unseen

Starting point is 00:27:49 that's bad. Now all of a sudden, because you have this idea in your head that you can just meet a shit ton of people, is that going to result in the reduction of value? Just sort of like the whole Tinder thing didn't you? No. So Tinder just, they just got bought out or acquired, either acquired or this big, huge company from China invested in them. And this company is known for selling personal information and Tinder's already been hacked as far as getting in and manipulating people's information

Starting point is 00:28:21 that they're providing in their Tinder account. And so there's this, it just came, I just read this, it was in the hustle, I think yesterday, yesterday or today. That's going on, yeah, that's going on right now. Wow. Interesting. Hey, so speaking of business, here's the other thing that's controversial. And I knew it would be controversial if I posted it.

Starting point is 00:28:38 I put it in my answer story. So Trump, just recently, I think it was a couple of days ago, imposed a 30% tariff on imported solar panels. So a tariff is like a tax, right? So they come in, they're imported from China. We are going to make them 30% more expensive. Now, I like that. The goal, so okay, I knew you would say,

Starting point is 00:29:00 I knew someone would say that and I figured, it'd be you because now why do you like that? Why do you think that's a good thing? Well, because it's going to force people to want to make the solar panels in the US, I knew someone would say that and I figured, you know, it'd be you because to you, now why do you like that? Why do you think that's a good thing? Well, because it's going to force people to want to make the solar panels in the US, which will keep money in our economy. And if you're going to still go outside, which is fine, you can, we're going to make sure we make a little percentage on it for when it coming overseas.

Starting point is 00:29:17 I mean, again, this is, this is why, and then again, I didn't go vote for Donald Trump, so I'm not like pro Trump, whatever. But these are some of the things I like that he's doing. I think economically we're the decisions that we're making are better than what we were making the last five years. So, yeah. So there are some things that I think he's done. This one is absolutely terrible. I'll tell you why. There's a few, there's a couple fallacies, economic fallacies with this. This is called protectionism or protectionist economics. And it's been done in the past where the US had lots of tariffs.

Starting point is 00:29:45 And I'll tell you why it's terrible. First and foremost, it's a wealth destroyer. So the reason why Chinese solar panels are so cheap is partially because China subsidizes them. So a subsidy is when the Chinese government literally takes money from their population and decides that they're going to buy down the price of something to boost up or artificially hold up a segment of their economy. So China has decided we want to protect or make our solar business better.

Starting point is 00:30:13 So what we're going to do is we're going to take tax money, buy down the price so that other countries now buy our products because they're cheaper. Now for us, the consumer, we pay less for their solar panels. But it is a destruction of wealth on China's end, which by the way, comes back to us. It's a global economy now. So it's terrible that China does that anyway, but the solution should not be to throw more economic inefficiencies at it. All Trump is doing by raising the artificially arbitrarily, raising the price of Chinese

Starting point is 00:30:42 imports is he is making the Americans consumer now pay more money as a result. It's just more inefficiency. And what we don't see is we don't see the unseen, which is wasted wealth, more inefficiencies. What we think we're doing is we're protecting our businesses. So without involving China, because we don't have a say in what they do,

Starting point is 00:31:03 how do you solve that problem? Because I agree with you, that makes a lot of sense. Because you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul when you think about it like that. But then what is the solution to that? To get otherwise, our money's going to go to China because it's so much cheaper. So here's the prop. First of all, our money goes to China, it comes back to us anyway. And it's the money that we save.

Starting point is 00:31:23 So it's good. But here's the good on that end, except for the fact that it's wasted money on there and which hurts everybody. Yeah, but you just grazed over that. You can't graze over that fact right there because that is the point that now if they're getting charged 30% tax, there's 30% more money going to the United States, and we're still potentially

Starting point is 00:31:41 gonna make money off of China because they're buying from China. So it's no different than a central planner saying more money should go to low skilled workers, raise the minimum wage, or the dairy industry, we need to save them because they're a fundamental industry in America. Therefore, we are going to, we're gonna add a tax to that or we're gonna make dairy farmers,

Starting point is 00:32:01 we're gonna make a law that says you can't sell milk for less because they deserve that money. It's all extreme economic efficiency. And here's the problem. Problem with economics is many times we see a problem and we think that we need to come up with a solution when in reality, many times, most times, the solution is to do nothing.

Starting point is 00:32:19 Allow the market to do what it does because if we throw, it's like taking cancer, like, oh shit, we have cancer. Throw more cancer at it. That's not only is that a poor solution, but it only makes things worse. So yes, China's doing something economically that's terrible for us and for them, by the way,

Starting point is 00:32:34 it's not helping China. China's creating a lot of market inefficiencies on there. And- Well, maybe that's part of his strategy then too then. I think it's- To make it more challenging. I think if Trump is- It could be more so on top of that,

Starting point is 00:32:44 like, you know, having to break somewhat for like the solar companies here tax-wise, like is that like part of his strategy? So what I would, so that could be something different, which I would, which is always better. Something that I would, which is always better.

Starting point is 00:32:58 I would, that would be, that would be something we could do because that just puts more money in the consumer and it allows the companies to spend their money how they see fit. So one thing that I would do is I'd say, hey, since China is placing a tariff or since China is subsidizing their panels and they're coming over here and our guys are getting hurt because of this type of competition, then we're going to waive all taxes for solar companies here so that they can compete if they want to.

Starting point is 00:33:22 Right. And that would elevate them into that scene. And that's more free market. You see what I'm saying? What you're doing, the solution. So how do you know that's not what he's going to set up and do? How do you know he's not going to do that? You just added a tariff.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Well, so maybe that's the first step in that. That would make some little bit of more money while I'm getting everything else in place. Because eventually I am going to level the playing field and that's going to drive everybody to go to the Y. Y even go to China now if you're getting so the price for the same price trying to level the playing field by raising arbitrarily raising the price or the cost of something isn't leveling the playing field. It's causing more inefficiencies in the market. more money back to the people who earn it and who also pay the price for spending it poorly, which is always a good thing. Nobody will spend money better than somebody who earns that money and who pays the price of spending it poorly. Nobody will spend more terrible than somebody who

Starting point is 00:34:15 pays no price for spending it terribly, who doesn't earn it. This is just the fact. So if you lower the taxes, that's always a good thing anyway. You just defined our government. Basically, right? is that's always a good thing anyway. People just find our government. Basically, right? Basically. So adding a tariff is a terrible idea. Now, if Trump is a brilliant, you know, what is he called, negotiate it, right? You could, and this is pure speculation.

Starting point is 00:34:35 If I'm looking at Trump and I'm thinking he's like a brilliant negotiator and he's just playing ball with them, then what he's using this as is a way to negotiate with China. Basically say, hey, stop subsidizing your shift. It's somewhat strong arming them. Maybe. Maybe he's using it as is a way to negotiate with China. Basically say, hey, stop subsidizing your ships. Somewhat strong arming them. Maybe, maybe he's using it as a negotiating. He's gonna wait a little bit until China sweats a little bit and then he's gonna say, fine, you remove the subsidies, we'll remove the tariffs.

Starting point is 00:34:54 I could see some of that, but in the meantime, that's what I would think. In the meantime, he's be causing some pain for long-term success. But if he's doing it to get more votes from the American voter, which I think is part of it, I think he's saying, hey, I'm saving your jobs. I think that's totally wrong in accurate.

Starting point is 00:35:11 I mean, be honest about what you're trying to do, but yeah, adding tariffs and adding taxes to try to compete with other market. Because let me put it to you this way. Here's what ends up happening. Here's what's happening in history. Country start to compete. I think no matter what,

Starting point is 00:35:22 I think no matter what, and this is not just from the president. This is like when you work for a big company, when someone puts out an initiative or something to do it, when it goes out to the media, you're going to spin it to the positive no matter what. No matter what my strategy is, if I'm CEO of a multi-billion dollar company and I've got thousands of employees working for me and I know we're going to have to make some hard turns right now.

Starting point is 00:35:41 And a lot of my employees may be upset because it's going to potentially hurt them right now, but the long term move, I know I'm going to save this company. I'm going to when you put that out to your company and you push it down, we were part of this for years. You know, that's like, I would know different from the president. It's on even more exaggerated level. So then when you're making moves, so if I was in his shoes and I wanted to spin things right and I see China doing this thing and everybody's like, oh, unfair competition, we can't compete with them because they're subsidizing.

Starting point is 00:36:10 I would come out and I'd say and I would, I would satisfy everybody with this one and I'd say, look, you know what, you're right. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to wave all taxes for solar companies here in America. That way they can sell their products cheaper and conservatives will be happy because it's less taxes. Liberals will be happy because now it's looking like I'm valuing the environment. And China would now be like, oh fuck, now they're gonna be selling their stuff for cheaper.

Starting point is 00:36:33 For every cause there's effect and you know that. And what we don't know, I don't, at least I don't know for sure, with that potentially also cause there could be a trickling down effect that doesn't work. So that's to speculate that way and to be able to take some one little one little pat one little thing that's being put out there right now this tariff and go I would do it so differently. It's like well yeah, it's and this is what I do what I hate about politics.

Starting point is 00:36:53 That's why I hate talking about is because people people take take something they take a piece of it and you could tear you could tear anything apart or you can build it up or you could spin it how are you fucking want and that's the name of this fuck so let me give you an example what I mean of when I say the unseen because this thing about economics is there's things that are unintended and there's also the unseen and the problem with the unseen is it's hard to sell it because we literally don't see it so I'll give you an example let's say you have a town that decides to raise their minimum wage to $15 an hour and And a year later, they do a study. And in that study, they find that in the year that they raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour, they added a thousand jobs.

Starting point is 00:37:32 Now the people who are the proponents of the minimum wage, you come out and say, hey, look, we raise minimum wage $15 and we added a thousand fucking jobs. That's one example of a million of those. But always are happening. Always. Now they're going to say that. They're going to say, look, we raise minimum wage. That's all politics. That's why it's so lame.

Starting point is 00:37:47 And we still, but here's the unseen. The unseen is we may have added 2000 jobs, but because we raise minimum wage $15, we only added 1000. But because that's not seen, that's a hard argument to make. So by raising tariffs, by doing all this different things to sound good to be a demigog. Oh, it's just like the argument that Jordan Stewart was tackling with the feminist woman

Starting point is 00:38:10 that went over the whole. Jordan Peterson. Yeah, Jordan Peterson, when I said Jordan. Yeah, I don't know, I made a bit of a Stewart. It's a buddy of mine, that's how a photo is. Yeah. He said the same thing. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:21 She's man, but anyway. No, that's the, I don't know. I just, I don't like getting caught up and in all that news Because one I do know it's being spun. It's yeah, it's always being spun I know you know, I'm saying it's always being spun and people when it's being spun the way they like to hear it We fucking are all pro it we defend it till whatever so and if it's something that you it doesn't I was your values or what you like you're gonna fight for it's like at the end of the day None of us really fucking well, you know, it all be a bullshit fucking facade

Starting point is 00:38:46 because what's really going on is some fucking scandal. Somewhere else. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? This is the state of the shit that abstracts. It's a distraction. Oh, that's terrible. No, but I mean, you know, here's the other thing too. To illustrate.

Starting point is 00:38:58 Yeah, and here's the thing too, is solar power, because people are always like, we need more solar power. That's better for the environment, isn't that? The day that solar power becomes people are always like, we need more solar power. That's better for the environment, isn't that? The day that solar power becomes more efficient, cheaper and easier to transport than carbon fuels like oil, the day that fucking happens, 100% the market will replace oil

Starting point is 00:39:20 faster than you can fucking blink your eyes. 100%, what happened overnight? It's no different, I'll give you an example. 15 years ago, nobody had, not that many people, more than that, let's go back 20, 30 years. Most people didn't have cell phones. Today, most people have cell phones, and that wasn't because we made some, you know,

Starting point is 00:39:36 some law that said, hey everybody, this is better for you. It's because people saw it was better, everybody bought it, and you go to third world countries now, and lots of people have cell phones. So we're gonna have like the petro dollar, and so the petro dollar would be like petro dollar, will be like the solar dollar so is that what we're gonna do? Bro, think about that.

Starting point is 00:39:49 Absolutely, that's what I think of right away what they would do, the same thing that we did with oil that we would do with now solar because we have no fucking gold done can do that. You know what I'm saying? So now what do they do? If it's not going to crypto, that would be your, that would be the only other direction

Starting point is 00:40:01 I could potentially see any going in the future. Oh man, that's crazy. That's crazy, right? That's fucking crazy, man. Yeah, oh man. I could potentially see it going in the future. Oh, man, that's crazy. Makes sense, right? That's fucking crazy, man. Oh, man, I think God, thank God for the green juice we have here. We have not, every time we travel, we don't eat enough vegetables. Yeah, we've been eating a lot of meat, but we need the veggies. Barbecue, the green juice literally is a fucking life-seeker.

Starting point is 00:40:18 And that, I mean, it's not a good, it's a poor replacement. Obviously, vegetables are ideal, but in a pinch, though. When I'm not getting any, I can tell the difference when I have the green juice into my digestion. Especially when I'm a little under the weather, which I've been battling this cold, and now it's just like, man, that thing is just, I have to have that around.

Starting point is 00:40:35 If I don't have vegetables, like, you know, on hand, I gotta have that near me. Oh, man. Yeah, it makes a big difference. Doug, you were supposed to do, and maybe we'll bring it up on this episode. He did, he did the health IQ, right? I was gonna ask you. Did you do the comparison, the right comparison from health IQ? Yeah, a little experiment. And what I did is I went to the health IQ.com forward slash mind pump page. I got a quote from them. I put my information. Did you take the test by the way? I did.

Starting point is 00:41:02 Which 192 by the way, wow.. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did.

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Starting point is 00:41:20 I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did, I did their application process, which took maybe 10, 15 minutes, which is a standard life insurance application. They ask all your health questions, your lifestyle questions. So questions like, do you skydive, for example, all the time, because you know, that's not a good idea for life insurance. Yeah, that factors into the underwriting process.

Starting point is 00:41:41 And then they instantaneously gave me back a quote. So what they do is they go out to a number of different companies and they get back the lowest quote. And these are all top rated companies, by the way. And I got my quote back. And then I right away took it over to my illustration software because I work with a lot of top companies myself. But there's a few that I use on a regular basis. I ran exact same numbers, half a million dollar policy, 10 year, 20 year term for my age, and these are eight plus companies. They were, as I look at my notes here, Health IQ came back between 13% and 19% cheaper. Wow, Look at that difference.

Starting point is 00:42:25 Wow. I'm talking super preferred rates that I could get through. That's a pretty big difference. I work with. That's a really big difference. Yeah. Now, why are they able to do that?

Starting point is 00:42:33 Is it because, you know, I have an idea, why I think that might be, but maybe you can correct me because you know this world better than I do. Is it because health IQ, their total sample size is made up of healthier people than other companies? They're super focused.

Starting point is 00:42:53 So they have a lot of healthy people. They don't have as much risk and they can pass on the savings. Well, understand health IQ is not an insurance company. They're like a broker. They're an agency. So they're putting it out. They're looking for farming. Yeah, that's not saying maybe these agencies know that health like you specializes this and they give them preferred rates. Well, I think every company

Starting point is 00:43:12 has different rates for their term policies. And so what they're they can do is find the company that specializes in the term policy or has a lowest rate for those type of term policies. And so they just have a lot more options. Now the companies I work with typically term is not their main focus. Their main focus is on permanent insurance or whole life type insurance policies. And so their rates may not be as good for the term products, but their rates may be better be as good for the term products, but their rates may be better for the whole life products. So what health IQ can do is they can go out and they say, okay, we have 50 companies. I don't know how many companies they have. So they're like Expedia or exactly.

Starting point is 00:43:55 Yeah. Or country wide loans, even easy. You gotta love. Wait, if you look at loans, this is how most, most insurance, if you're Clint Eastwood, I think even Geico does it this way too is they get your Information and then they go out and they they look for companies that will be take that risk on for the and then they they broker it out You know, it's funny a lot of them do that not that long ago It was an agent that did that and an agent was a you know a person and they go shop a few of them for you and agents in the past

Starting point is 00:44:21 I believe would get different kickbacks and so they had their own preferred companies now because of technology. They're just like, they're limiting that, like, here's the cheapest one. Which is like Expedia. Like Expedia is a great example. It gets rid of a lot of the BS. You know how much cheaper it is now to get to travel and stuff like that? Because you go through a company like Expedia versus going through an agent. It's fucking amazing.

Starting point is 00:44:39 So that's pretty cool. Good stuff, Doug. Absolutely. What's the skydiving thing? Is that just because if you're, if you're, yeah, well, you're probably more likely to take risk if you've skydived. Right. So they ask questions.

Starting point is 00:44:50 It's like, why skydived? Why not fuck up, guys? Do you do skydived? Do you do skydived? Do you ride a motorcycle? Do you ride a motorcycle? Do you ride a motorcycle? You can do.

Starting point is 00:44:58 Yeah, you fly. Isn't it private pilot? Do you do spolunking? That's one of the questions I've got. Spolunking. Spolunking's cave diving. Cave diving. Yeah. So they ask all these? Polunkies cave diving. Cave diving. Yeah. So they ask all these questions about high risk activities.

Starting point is 00:45:07 Scuba diving. What's the one where you jump off of a building? A base jump. So that, I saw some statistic, like the most deaths out of anything you can do is. Oh man, crazy. I mean, do you know people, those wing suits? Yeah, that's a real suit. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:45:22 Those people die all the time. Those guys don't have life insurance. There was a documentary that came out and they were following all these people doing that. And I believe it was like, it was six out of 10 people from that documentary died. Yeah, what? I don't recommend it.

Starting point is 00:45:38 You know what's funny about, I feel like a couple of years. I feel like we need a certain amount of fucking danger and risk in our lives. And if we make our life too safe because of modern technology and stuff, we end up going out and just creating it. Well, we have, we're either,

Starting point is 00:45:52 we don't get chased by a lot of, a danger optimizing. And we go to these phases, right? We're in even the thing of it in extreme sports. I think your extreme sports is one of the best examples of that. Like someone learns how to do like the back flip and then for like the next year or two, everyone's perfecting that and learning to do that. And they broke through that. Like someone learns how to do like the back flip and then for like the next year or two,

Starting point is 00:46:05 everyone's perfecting that and learning to do that and they broke. So that's why roller coasters are also pushes the limits to the next thing. Oh my God, a double back flip. We've never seen this before. You know, it's funny. So what first off, why do humans, I know why humans desire that because at some point that was an advantage evolution early because somebody took the risk to go taste that food nobody's ever had or takes the risk to go kill that animal to feed everybody.

Starting point is 00:46:26 But it's funny because I think animals do the same thing. Like I don't know about you guys, but you know, many times I've been driving down the road and I'll see like two squirrels on the side of the fucking road. And one of them, well right before I get there, run across the street and the other one will just watch. And I'm like, is that motherfucker is he showing off to us? How many have you guys ever had that? Yeah, of course. We're like, watch that motherfucker is he showing off? To his, how many, have you guys ever had that? Yeah, of course. We're the like watch this watch this. There's a lot of scores that don't make it, bro. Yeah. They don't always make it.

Starting point is 00:46:48 He's trying to get some squirrel tang. You know what I'm saying? Showing off. Yeah. Hey, baby, watch this. I have fearless. Well, after, I'm convinced you're probably right after watching the, the planet Earth too again

Starting point is 00:46:58 and seeing how like all the way to the way to the mating happens and the territorial, it's pretty crazy. That's pretty funny. And then reading, reading Jordan Peterson's book and now going through the hierarchy of the lobsters and how they deal with stuff which is pretty funny how they just fucking take from each other. It's how it's worked.

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Starting point is 00:47:52 Our first question is from Farron Holt. How has fast food changed over the years? And what does the future of the industry look like as far as menu changes or mergers acquisitions in order for these huge businesses to survive as people become more health conscious. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's really. Have they evolved the law? Bro, think about it. Think about when we were kids. Yeah, no, there's always a healthy. I'll give you a very fast. I mean, I'll give you one effort. I'll give you one example of how

Starting point is 00:48:20 it's evolved. Okay. I was so funny that you picked that you picked this question right? Yeah. Okay, so fun. You pick this. I really like it. I think it's a really good. It's a very's evolved. Okay, I was so funny that you picked this question right? Okay, so fun you picked this. I really like it. I think it's a really good question. It's a very good question. So, so trip off this. So I was on, I don't remember what page I belong to on Facebook, but I belong to all these groups and then someone posted a picture of a big back, a big Mac, excuse me, a

Starting point is 00:48:38 circa like 1987. Oh, I've seen this. And it was the old. Tiny dude. No, not just that. It was the old, no, 1986. It was the same size. You're going for it. The big Mac was the same, but the container was the old Styrofoam. Remember the Styrofoam containers? Oh, yeah. There is an example of how the fast food industry has totally evolved.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Oh, yeah. Because all recyclable stuff. It used to all be Styrofoam. Everything was Styrofoam. Your burger, your everything was in these Styrofoam containers, but pressures from consumers who were like, no, that's terrible for the environment, forced everybody. Now everything's in a wrapper and it's biodegradable. So there's a good example of how things have changed and that's how, okay, so I think that's an excellent point because that's the direction I see it continue to evolve and then offering healthy options,

Starting point is 00:49:23 but I don't think you're gonna slow down the consumption of the garbage food. I think there is a large majority of people that know it's be a demand that know down well that's not ideal for the body. It's not healthy. And they're actually the majority of the person asking this question probably falls in the category of the no, my goal. No, you're right. You're right. Look at the marketing in the last five years.

Starting point is 00:49:43 How much would it? It's all about the dollar, the $2.00 now, the now the three dollar menu. It's all about it's all about saving money Getting more than all we have. Do you know who buys all that? By the way, do you know who who buys? Who's the market that is targeted the most with the cheap fast and yeah, you know in the weird I would assume it would be single mothers with three kids. No, It's not so I thought the same thing truckers young men Young men actually yes if you watch the commercial now pay now pay attention if you watch Taco Bell commercials If you watch

Starting point is 00:50:13 McDonald commercials if you watch Carl's junior commercials the Gordita crunch Dorito covered this that and the other and put it in your face And fucking awesome and like stoner student. It's young. And the reason why it's young dudes is because women have been marketed to longer for health. For longer, women have been marketed to, I need to be held. And mainly it's because they wanna. Look, right. Yes.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Dude, you know what I've seen. Got what it great for. You know what I've seen is like the merger of like all these sort of like novelty foods that are like Doritos becoming part of a fucking taco. You know, and it's like they're trying to merge a lot of our old memories together and put it in this thing. It's like a fucking.

Starting point is 00:50:54 There was also something that started to happen as I was coming out of high school and seeing it. I remember on the oldest of six, I have all these five, I have all these younger brothers and sisters that I've seen with a huge age gap. And I remember this starting to happen seen it a little bit in my school And then I remember like my see my younger siblings like everybody did stuff like this

Starting point is 00:51:12 Which it started to get popular to get like these fire cheetos and then pour nacho cheese inside the Inside the bag and then just like eat it like this was they're finding out all those things and they're putting it out there It's like a product yeah, so now what what I think is that that's sort of that's talk about all these fast food That's their response to the I'm waiting for the wind be and I'll be fries dipping into their member dipping into the frosty That should they've done they've marketed to that Yeah, absolutely So here's what I think I think that the fast food market It's already shown there's already strong evidence that the fast food market is trying to cater more

Starting point is 00:51:47 to the health conscious as being, health conscious becomes more mainstream. And the example that I gave earlier of how these fast food companies are, who the ones who are trying to hold on tightly are advertising to young men because that's the segment of the population that doesn't care as much about their health,

Starting point is 00:52:09 because women, even single moms, are care a lot about their kids, and as the information comes out that they need to be healthy, they're still looking for cheap, but they're looking for cheap and healthy, and here's the other example that I have, or some more examples, you have companies like Chipotle, which fucking exploded.

Starting point is 00:52:25 Well, that's a different class of fast food now. We're talking about it. Yes, fast food is changing because now they're trying to be healthier and fresher and here it is, you know, more Chipotle, Baja, fresh. These are all examples of how to put catering to the convenience that people really want. They want it quick, timely, like on my lunch break and I want it fast, but like not horrible for me. That's right. And I really think this is what we're going to see.

Starting point is 00:52:48 You're just going to see more of that. I don't think you're going to see companies like McDonald's and Burger King. I don't think you're going to see companies like this collapse or get overtaken by these healthy ones, but you'll see more of the type of Baja fresh, Chipotle type of fast food places that will come about. I think that's all that we'll really see. I think what's funny too is that, you know, now I have kids in school right now. So if you have a birthday party and you have a bunch of kids over, when we were kids,

Starting point is 00:53:15 when I was a kid, when there was a birthday party, it was like a fucking treat to have McDonald's for everybody and it was great and it was totally socially acceptable and it was all awesome. If you had a birthday party now and you had McDonald's for everybody, there would be a little bit of social stigma. There would be a little bit, especially depending on what class you're in. So if you're like middle or upper middle class,

Starting point is 00:53:33 you'd see all the parents kind of be like, oh, that's not organic or that's McDonald. But the funny thing is if you had pizza, nobody would really care. And that's like totally, and it's all about what's socially acceptable. Totally. So slowly what's happening, I think,

Starting point is 00:53:45 is it's becoming less socially acceptable to go with convenient what we can do. Oh, wait till the campaigning on both sides. I predict this. Wait till the campaigning on both sides is gonna look like this, where you're talking shit about the other side. So it becomes like this,

Starting point is 00:53:59 like the commercials will be about like making fun of healthy people who are eating it to totally like star percent, only eating it salad looking all fucking emaciated like it'll be like sure if you want it or if you want to enjoy and then it'll be like some construction worker who looks at good handsome biting into a cheeseburger like you guys remember the the colossus burger that was that

Starting point is 00:54:18 was like jack in the box. It was like three patties of meat and like bacon in between each one of those layers with cheese. It was like the most crazy fucking awesome burger. But like, dude, teenage boys don't give a fuck with their eaters out. So they're going to make it like more. They'll make it cool. Yeah, they'll make it cool. They'll be like fuck count your calories, fuck try to care about this stuff.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Here's a 8500 down to count. But as as eating healthy, it's because young men are less typically, by the way, less interested in necessarily being, you know, watching their figure being lean, that kind of stuff. They're more interested in like, I'm a teenager, I can eat whatever I want. And I gain weight. I just want food and I want to perform well, right? As healthy food gets tied to performance, I think you'll start to see teenage boys try to eat healthy as it gets tied to the form.

Starting point is 00:55:09 Oh, that's happening right now. What's interesting, dude, is there a study on millennials in eating fast food? Because I guarantee it's gone down. Yes, it already has. Market-wise, it has got out, but here's the part, here's what I think will make companies like McDonald's start to go up again.

Starting point is 00:55:24 First is catering to and showing that they're all more health conscious, but here's the other one. I think McDonald's being the prototypical American company that was built from nothing and really stands for America. As you start to get this wave of nationalism come forward, I think that's what'll make McDonald's big. Where McDonald's come out and they're going to show like old videos and old pictures of, you know, you know, McDonald's, the good American, whatever, your grandfather ate it and you know, the greatest generation and this and that, that'll get people to go to McDonald's for sure because now people are going to be like proud of, you know, it'll be it'll be interesting. It was a backlash for a second.

Starting point is 00:55:59 I mean, they dominate the pie right now and I think that you're going to see a lot of these other healthy places, and I'm not calling Chipotle or those healthy by any means. I've just seen that it is the better option. Right, and they're marketing to being healthier. Right, exactly. So I think you're going to see more, and that'll get competitive. I think it'll become healthier and healthier. I'll think it'll become more organic and more natural. Sure. I think that you'll see these things. I don't think it'll ever even threaten though the rest of the pie. I mean, you're talking like 80% of the population fall in the last month. I've had McDonald's case here, one of those things.

Starting point is 00:56:36 And then how many people evade from one of the healthier choices? So I still think they're going to dominate the pie. I just think we're going to see a nice liver started to. It'll get remember when we for I remember this, right? I remember the first one when it first came around here where we lived. It was, I mean, I was driving across town to just go to this healthy kind of fast food place. And it was only open certain hours

Starting point is 00:56:55 and I was pissed all the time. Now in the Bay Area, it's somewhat competitive. We can, it's pretty easy for me to go find somewhere where I can get a pretty decently healthy choice. That didn't exist 10 years ago. You're just gonna, and I'm sure there's places in the country that it doesn't still doesn't exist. I think what we'll see is it's becoming popular enough that you'll see these pop up and the types of communities that care about those things.

Starting point is 00:57:16 And you'll see that like who bought Chipotle, wasn't it? The Donald's bottom for a while. There you go. But they sold them. I think they're going to, I think they're going to start hedging their bets and trying to, and you know, here's the thing. It's like Nestle buying, Nestle buying the organic grocery. Here's the funny thing to me and her value. Part of me, my ego looks at this and like scoffs, right? But the other part of me is like, whatever, it's still good, is the trendiness of eating, quote unquote, healthy.

Starting point is 00:57:40 And what I mean by that is you have people who really have no idea what eating healthy is, but you see that it's kind of this trendy thing now where they're you know like hey everybody come over we're gonna have bone broth Oh, that's like it's like you know, and it's like you don't really know what health is I know you're doing because you think it's cool because this brain hacking community Yeah, it's the same fucking community. They're the same people like just all of a sudden we learned some shit about new tropics and all of a sudden It's like it's all about hacking. It's like, listen, that shit matters, but dude, if you're still getting fucking high and drunk and then sleep like shit, like, dude, come on, bro, that's an effect.

Starting point is 00:58:12 That's your fucking pills, you're taking for $3 a pill. It's not helping you out that much, dude. You guys remember, I'm, we're still talking about fast food, but like KFC and like Pat and Oswald, when he did his bit on like the double meat. So there was like two pieces of chicken. Oh, the burger with the fried chicken instead of fried chicken

Starting point is 00:58:32 instead of buns and then like, so he was making fun of it. You know, and it was like hilarious. And then he made fun of like their bowl. Like we're just like pigs just eating out of a fucking you know, a slide. I didn't see that. slide to never see that. So anyway, so they're gangster, right?

Starting point is 00:58:47 They came after him and we're like, no, no, no, like everybody, America loves it. And this and that. So they went all the way, I've been watching like the way that they've marketed an advertised sense. And so like the ultimate like coup de gris, they came back, they basically hired every single like comedian they could to

Starting point is 00:59:06 represent like like uh Colonel Sanders now I don't know if you've noticed that but like it's like it's a smart strategy yeah so now it's like oh you're gonna fuck with us we're gonna get all of your friends it's smart because now they seem cool and funny and hip and you know what I mean yeah so what are they doing so what they're doing is doing is, have you seen the commercials where there's like a comedian who's pretending to be Colonel Sanders? Yeah. And they do these really funny commercials. It's kind of like,

Starting point is 00:59:32 I guess it hurt their sales somewhat, just his stand up. Oh really? Cause they were mocking the company. Yeah, they're mocking. Now they didn't get a gun for slander or anything like that. Oh no, he's just talking shit. No, you can't fuck with him.

Starting point is 00:59:45 It's a speech, you know. That's that's hilarious. Oh yeah, you gotta ask. He's just doing it like a parody almost. Yeah, yeah. Who's stand up? Oh. You gotta ask yourself when you look at some crazy,

Starting point is 00:59:55 when you think about this, you would think that would draw more attention and help them and not actually hurt you. Right. This is a burger that has fried chicken as the part of the press. You gotta ask, dude, that's not real, right? You start by the burger.

Starting point is 01:00:07 They served it. They served that? That was for real. This, this still exists? I don't know if it's still exists, but. I didn't even know that. Yes, are you kidding me? I haven't been to a KFC in probably 20 years.

Starting point is 01:00:18 Bro, I ruined myself with KFC. You think I'm a meat sandwich with a hilarious exaggerating. You got 15 years. You got a long fucking time since I've been in one of them. Dude, I ruined myself with KFC. I used to love KFC and then at one point, I was trying to do this bulk where I was trying to gain weight. And at this point, I got my body weight up to 235

Starting point is 01:00:34 and it all came from force feeding myself every day. Do you know what made me stop eating KFC? I'll never forget this. It was during me trying to bulk up. It's just like you're saying, I used to eat it all the time. Is it Santa Teresa? No, before or even. Okay. This will be back to when I first started was during me trying to bulk up each day. Like you're saying, I used to eat it all the time. Is it Santa Teresa? So let's get down to the show.

Starting point is 01:00:45 No, before or even, dude, I go, this is all back to when I first started at Cal Polyquides. So I'm like 20, 20 years old. And I used to eat chicken like crazy. And I remember when this was before, fucking people had these abilities to figure out macros and calories really fast and easy. And I had to look up on books and I looked up KFC.

Starting point is 01:01:04 And the ratio of fat to protein was so poor in comparison to like a McDonald's Oh, that's why you stop so I stopped at the whole time I thought I was getting I was really getting more protein I'm getting so much more protein is chicken. It's all chicken right, but then when I saw the ratio of fat calories to the protein I was like shit I can have my big Mac which I love and enjoy even. And it's actually given me a better ratio of fat. So my story is way worse because that's actually kind of what you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:01:30 But there's no logic to that now. That's stupid. That's stupid. That's just honest. That was my thought process back. That was a greasy chicken. That was a more logical thought process for me because what I did. I remember this, bro.

Starting point is 01:01:40 Like it was yesterday. So you remember, you know, Ryan, my old business, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A good friend of mine. So that motherfucker just naturally is a big dude And so I went head-to-head with him to see who could gain the most weight now Here's a guy that walks around never would never if he didn't lift weights you walk around at 220 So I was already in a losing game, but I'm extremely competitive So I went to KFC some like I need more calories

Starting point is 01:02:00 I went to KFC and I bought a bucket like for a family of five of fried chicken and I sat there and I ate the entire thing and I swore to God. I smelled like chicken for like three days afterwards, dude. My my skin smell like and it made me so sick. You're lucky to turn into one. Bro, I couldn't I can't even I can't even look at it anymore. Makes me want to throw up. I did I literally would go down though. You know, that's good, but you gotta ask. There's, dude, I wonder, I wonder, I actually know, I'll put money on this, 100%. I guarantee you for some of these companies,

Starting point is 01:02:32 like KFC and Taco Bell, they're a PNR team or they're product development team, they're in an office and they're all sitting around and they're all getting really fucking stone. That's how you come up with the right deal, bro. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I we can explain the meat. You know, you did jack in the box.

Starting point is 01:02:46 Totally goes after stoneers. I mean, that's a day. You've been 20 hours. Well, they were the first open a day where they were so brilliant. That was like one of the most brilliant moves in fast food. When they were the first one to say, fuck close in a midnight.

Starting point is 01:02:56 Do we're going to keep this shit open all day? Hey, when you have the munchies, they would even say, I remember in high school. That was the place to beat bro. Every after party, there was only one place to get food. It was jack and a hell of cheap. No, on tired. Yeah tacos. I live off a 20 tacos for It's long-time. Kis donors don't usually make a lot of money right? It's like cheap open 24 hours Two tacos for 99 cents bro because you know they're sitting in a room. They're stone to fuck I'm like you know what all right. Let's write down three of our favorite thing and they don't really know how to cook They're like Doritos captain crunch and fucking tacos. Oh shit. Let's make a captain crunch Dorito taco

Starting point is 01:03:28 Well, dude in my town Denny's and and Jack in the box had the monopoly on fucking all all food served after 11 o'clock at night Man every single night and you were in you were either in didn't get all Jack in the crack those are the two places Oh, you know what? I tell you what I talk about how my gut was this off and I saw I blame supplements and I blame. But I did I I need to say this a big other half of that equation was there shit food that I would be trying to bulk out 100% sure. So I think I think the biggest thing we'll see and as far as mergers and acquisitions you're already seeing this happen with we just saw Amazon pick up whole foods I and you know about the Amazon ghost store. So I think we all believe that you're going seeing this happen with uh... we just saw amazon pick up whole foods i and i you know about the amazon ghost or so i think we all believe that you're gonna see that same technology into whole food so we're real soon

Starting point is 01:04:11 gonna be all i think that's fucking cool that's not obviously fast food that's all these huge companies are hedging the best nestley who bought garden of life and right all these major company that's what you'll see they'll still be both will exist and i still think that uh... shitty fast food will still dominate in comparison. And that's just because there's, I mean, if you're listening to this podcast,

Starting point is 01:04:29 you're a minority. You know what I'm saying? The majority is everybody's not listening to this podcast. Think of it like that. So I don't think we're gonna see much really change. Interesting. Next question is from cubic Kenny. I feel like you guys discussed in securities

Starting point is 01:04:42 as being a major factor in issues with other people. How do you get over insecurities and what helped you guys with your own? This is a tough one. So I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on other people getting over their insecurities, but what I can say is what worked or how I worked on it for myself. Well, I want to start with, I don't know if you ever fully get over them. That's an interesting. I recognize it. I believe when you have something, especially if it's a deeply rooted, which most insecurities are that drive all the way back to childhood. I think it's

Starting point is 01:05:15 happening in a formidable time of your life that it's part of you. It is part of who you are. Well, you were just, this is serendipitous. You were just talking about this 45 minutes ago with Taylor. Oh, you overheard us that. Yeah. Yeah is serendipitous you were just talking about this 45 minutes ago with Taylor. Oh you ever heard us. Yeah yeah talk if you don't mind talking about that a little bit. Well part of we talked about a lot of different things. I mean you're drive to succeed or what. Yeah so I had a major insecurity with so I short sold my house. God it's been like six five years ago now five years ago I short sold my house and I went through like a little depression for a while because I didn't, and I don't realize, and this is me speaking hindsight, right? This is, at this time, I wasn't even aware

Starting point is 01:05:50 of what was going through. I know it just beat me up. So I went through like this little bit of depression, and I'm not a guy to get like that at all. And what I realized was I identified so much on success and good credit. And most people that hear short sell of a house, they think like, oh, he must have overextended himself. He must, you know, he must have took out

Starting point is 01:06:10 a bunch of money and spent in and been, you know, bad investment, bad investment, not very smart move. And like I fell into that category. And in fact, it was actually a strategy that I was doing that was recommended to me to my buddy at the time who a very, very smart guy and it did work out to my benefit. And it was a smart move, but outside of looking in, I knew it didn't look that way because every time I tell someone, they say, oh, that was what they say right away. I mean, even Taylor this morning, when I see the, oh, did you take out a big, well, you were even a fucked up loan. I'm like, no, actually, I was totally fine, but my house was upside down.

Starting point is 01:06:41 Not a market took a fuck. Yeah, it took a shit. And you know what, we have to also paint the picture of the context at this time, you're a young man. And up until this point, you've been extremely successful because you're hard working, obviously talented, hard working, you're making good money, especially for your age, you're very responsible,

Starting point is 01:07:01 you come from a poor background. So you weren't not, you were, you know, lower middle class or lower class. And the people around you or people who didn't know you maybe even people, you know, from the outside expected you to be a statistic that would normally. And so now you identify with, I'm successful. Well, also, the shorts on my house, what you're saying too is so true. Is that, you know, so not only did I grow up that way where we didn't have a lot of money, but we also, my, my family was very irresponsible with money. So I was the opposite of that.

Starting point is 01:07:30 And I never wanted to be that. That was so important to me that I was responsible. I mean, it was in 21 buying my house like, and I saved all that. I didn't have any help or anything to get there. And that was, that was a big deal for me. And it was a big deal that I'd never missed a credit card payment in my life. I had a 780 FICO school. All these things were so important to me. And they were all good things. It drove me, it's just going to like, lose house and talking about the mask, right?

Starting point is 01:07:53 This mask that I was wearing that propelled me to be successful. So why would I ever shun it or be, but for the first time, I was faced with it when shit got flipped on me. And that's what sent me into depression. I didn't realize it till afterwards that how much I identified with that,

Starting point is 01:08:10 because it was so important to me that people did not think of me like my family when I came to work. What a great lesson that you were given. Yeah, it was a major lesson for me, and it made me realize that I'm more than my things, and the monetary success that I've had, so if I thought I'm more than that, and the monetary success that I've had. So if I thought I'm more than that

Starting point is 01:08:26 and then not attach myself to that anymore. So it was a major growing experience for me, but it still exists. Like I don't think that I got rid of it. I think that's part of who I am. And there's a part of it that I think, I think that's why you always hear us on the show too. We talk about your greatest strength

Starting point is 01:08:41 as your greatest weakness. I think sometimes a lot of our insecurities drive us to be successful in a lot of avenues, not just financially, but I think in relationships and with fitness, like a lot of these insecurities, some of the most the fittest people I know have the biggest insecurities. And that's what drove them to be that way. Some of the most successful people I've ever met in my life have huge insecurities. That's what drove them to be that way. So I think that everybody has this or deals with it. And I think just becoming aware of it is the first,

Starting point is 01:09:11 the first right step in that direction and understanding what are your insecurities. And this goes back to what I always talk about when you get these state changes to a day. Because you tell yourself, you don't realize it, but you give the flags go off all day long. Somebody says something to you, and part of I was sharing something with Taylor too,

Starting point is 01:09:27 that somebody could say something, it triggers something of me that I have an insecurity, and then I can tell how I respond to that person if I'm kind of throw something venomous at them or say some shit or notice my energy or my attitude changes, like I'll reflect on that later on that night for sure and go like, oh wow, and not about anything to do with that person everything to do with me and

Starting point is 01:09:46 why did that bother me why did I act like that and it's always rooted by an insecurity and I think that becoming aware of that and then being able to be smarter about the future decisions that you make when that comes because it will it'll rise again it's guaranteed if it's an insecurity of yours you'll be faced with it again and then now take that into consideration like, oh, I feel really strongly about this way because I know it's my insecurity. So even though I wanna say this to Sal,

Starting point is 01:10:12 and stand out, this is how I feel, I also know that part of that's driven for my insecurities. Maybe I should back out a little bit, listen to him a little bit more. Let me hear more of your perspective, and we have that open mind. No, I think insecurities are, we have some that are deep rooted.

Starting point is 01:10:27 I think some pop up because of life circumstances. I mean, you could develop as an insecurity as an adult. Let's say you've been married for a long time and then your spouse cheats on you whenever. Now you've all of a sudden got this insecurity of, are people gonna cheat on me? Can I trust people? But I went through a very similar one.

Starting point is 01:10:45 We talk all the time about our insecurities with our body images and all that stuff. And that was one that I had when I was young, but I had a similar issue in relation to success. So when I first got into fitness at the age of 18, day one I was successful. From day one I was dominated, absolutely dominated in at the time the largest fitness organization in the world. And in very short period time I was dominated, absolutely dominated in at the time, the largest

Starting point is 01:11:05 fitness organization in the world. And a very short period of time I was managing these clubs. They were calling me a phenom and it was just, it felt effortless. I did work hard, but it was just something that I did very well and I enjoyed it. And when I left corporate fitness, I went and opened up my own wellness facility. And I had a lot of learning lessons with that because here I was, and what the problem was, is I attribute, I identified with the amount of money that I earned as being successful. That was the only metric that I really placed value on.

Starting point is 01:11:37 It was how much money did I make. That's how much, that's my success right there. So now I own this small business. I'm working with other people. I'm having challenges in my personal life. And money wise, it took me a while. It took me a long time to really start making some money with my business. And then I made some business decisions that didn't pan out. I had to make some other decisions. So for 12 years, I'm the small business owner. And I went from being this unstoppable machine, this hero, this fucking, you know, phenom and business to all of a sudden now

Starting point is 01:12:08 I'm having these fucking struggles and I'm not becoming what I thought it would because I walked into it And I'm like I'm untouchable. I'm gonna blow up and it didn't happen It took 12 years for me to learn that and if I look at that from a money perspective for how much I earned I could say wow what a failure. I'm a total failure. And what it did in me is it, like you, I identified with being successful. So it was a very difficult thing for me to swallow because I had to reevaluate what success meant. Now, if I, when I started to understand that and say, okay, I didn't make shit tons of money. I didn't, you know, open up 15 locations and become this, this mogul. Does that mean I failed? And I looked at all the other ways I succeeded.

Starting point is 01:12:48 Well, during that period of time, I completely transformed and grew who I was, how I worked with people, how I managed people, my understanding of fitness and health to the point now where this is who I am now on this podcast. It completely transformed me with how I develop relationships, how I valued other things in my life, how I started to develop, what I consider balance in my life. And so when I look back on that,

Starting point is 01:13:13 I look at it as a total success and a learning period. And that's what I got from revisiting it. Now, if I don't, here's the problem. If I never did that, and if I never self-reflected, or like you said, if you never self-reflected and looked at those things, and if you continue to identify from them, then insecurities are worth nothing. Right.

Starting point is 01:13:33 Now, those insecurities don't teach you a goddamn thing. It's interesting. I always tend to recognize my insecurities. I feel like I've overcome a lot of insecurities, and that was like my biggest mission is to like recognize them, overcome them, or just like drive like completely towards that insecurity and like see if I can overcome this weakness

Starting point is 01:13:55 or this area of my life that I know is something that always kind of like, it keeps popping up for me and I don't like it, I don't like that. It's a great strategy. And so, you know, like, but I do see a lot of times, it's still there, man, like I'll have a conversation with somebody, even if it's a family member or something, and they'll mention something that I've done

Starting point is 01:14:16 or something in the past or this and that, and it'll trigger me. And I feel like it always revolves around something that I'm not very good at, right? Or something that, you know, I've been overlooked in that certain, like, aspect. And so I just, like, it's interesting because you could just feel the change of energy in the way that I communicate back. And then, like, I've only just started to kind of recognize how that that really

Starting point is 01:14:46 tenses me up and how I project that on to somebody else. So you guys both make really good points because I think there's another problem here that we need to talk about. Adam touched on this a little bit. I don't even know if you realize this but sometimes we can look at insecurities and think to ourselves like when you did eliminate them all and never have them and be afraid of them popping up. And I think that's wrong because insecurities can be drivers and can be teachers. And if you're afraid of being insecure, you've now created another insecurity,

Starting point is 01:15:18 which is being insecure about being insecure. And so you need to be able to look at it and brace it. No why it hurts. Like I'll give you an, I'll give you an example. I, the most recent time that I can think about that I got seriously challenged with insecurity. Like I mean, really got challenged was going through my divorce 100%. While I was married, one of the, the gripes that my wife had against me was that I was not super involved as a parent. Now I'm a very loving father, I'm very expressive with my kids, but I wasn't involved in the day-to-day like she was, and I wasn't nearly as present as she was, and she would hammer this to me, and this became

Starting point is 01:15:58 one of her major gripes. Well, now we get divorced, and now I'm 50% custody and now I'm doing things for the kids with the kids that I never did before like scheduling school stuff and you know their extracurricular activities and I'm dealing with things that I've never had to deal with before and I have to be organized a particular way and oh Shit, I forgot that he has practice and we missed it now I'm this and I was so insecure that all these things that she said to me were true because she would package them as you're not a good father, which I know is not true, but it fucking hurts, right? So I examined that and what it did is it motivated me when before I was able to process it, what it did is it motivated me to do things that were not beneficial, like buying more

Starting point is 01:16:41 stuff for my kids to make up for it or giving them everything they wore. Getting more organized because you have to be successful. That's what I started to do. I started to look at and say, okay, no need to overcompensate. There's a little bit of truth to this. There's a reason why you feel this. And it motivated me to change it. Unless there was just a little bit of truth, right? You had to adjust things and like, you recognizing that makes you even better overall anyway.

Starting point is 01:17:04 That's right. So staying with the insecurity that I'm talking about because I think I have tons of insecurities. And what Taylor and I are talking about, I still see it surface. I see it surface even in my actions or my conversation. And so before it turns into something that could turn into depression or hurt me with a career move or some of that, it starts with that. And I think a lot of people ignore even their attitude and the things they talk about. And I give you an example, I have this habit and I catch myself all the time.

Starting point is 01:17:31 I think I've definitely gotten extremely better over the course of 15 years of being aware of this and watching it happen and getting better and better because it's a process. You know, if I am in, if I'm talking to somebody who I know is really successful, I have this bad habit of wanting to share my bankroll. And not literally my bankroll, like, oh, I'm worth this.

Starting point is 01:17:50 You're gonna prove yourself. Right, I want exactly why I feel this knee, and that's me reflecting, obviously going through the, I'm just having a conversation, so it happens that fast. I'm just talking back and forth, but I'll do this where I interject things to let you know how successful I am. And it's like, that's an insecurity of myself. And if you're a really smart guy, I see that a mile away when someone does it to me. So you know, damn well, that if this guy's as successful or more successful me,

Starting point is 01:18:13 even the fucker probably sees it right through me. So by me, you just being aware of that and like sharpening up my conversation, that also puts me in a better position in the conversation or a relationship like that. And and makes you makes you feel and look much more confident when you do that. So this is something that, like, even being a knowing that's an insecurity, knowing it's driven, I've been successful from it, but then also being aware of it and then learning how to navigate around it because it will always continue to surface and it may not surface

Starting point is 01:18:39 and show itself in this and rear its ugly head on you, but you may see it in the way you talk and you're attitude. And I think that's a great attitude because insecurities that you don't visit and challenge and try to grow from end up, they end up killing you. I mean, I don't know, maybe not literally. Not even that, check out the thing with this way. Here's where I like to start people. Just start with your disagreements and your fights

Starting point is 01:19:03 that you have with your boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife. That guarantee, if you can take yourself separate yourself from the argument that something that got you to even allow it to escalate to that, there's an insecurity rooted somewhere in that. 100% agree. If you, the two, you can't get 100% agree.

Starting point is 01:19:19 Otherwise, you wouldn't get so heated. Exactly. Otherwise, you wouldn't give a fuck. Otherwise, that person would just be, right, right, right, right. Or they would make a point and you'd be able to be like oh yeah you're right without being like but if you allowed it to escalate to where it turned into an argument where nothing totally accomplished it is ever this is why it's always bullies fault then there's something that

Starting point is 01:19:37 was said done that's hit that triggered an insecurity of yourself and that you just you were given a gift right now here can you dive into that and figure that out? And here's an important thing to know about insecurities that I've learned. It's my own personal experience. Of course, I'm not like an expert or clinical psychologist on this, but I've observed this many times with myself and with clients in just in the world around me.

Starting point is 01:19:58 And that's this. When you don't challenge your insecurities, when you don't try to bring more awareness and growth to them, they will figuratively destroy you and sometimes literally, and I'll give you an example, if you never visit your insecurities with your body, if you constantly think my bodies don't look right, I don't look good, I don't look good, it will drive you to more and more dangerous things, you know, anabolic steroids, plastic surgery, extreme dieting, to the point where you'll absolutely destroy yourself.

Starting point is 01:20:28 The same is true for money. If I'm constantly insecure and about not being successful, no amount of success will ever satisfy that. No amount of anything will ever satisfy an insecurity that you don't challenge and grow from. And that's why it's important because those insecurities cannot be quenched by anything other than what's inside you. That's 100%.

Starting point is 01:20:47 So that's where they become dangerous and that's why I think it's important to look at them. Next question is from Carter's Consumptions. Can you build a food intolerance to seasonings like you can to a food eaten repeatedly for an extended period of time? For example, could you develop a food intolerance to say garlic powder or pepper? Oh, you can, you can develop a food intolerance to anything. Sure. Because you can be, you can be, you can have an intolerance to garlic and garlic

Starting point is 01:21:14 powders is a concentrated form of that. In fact, putting tons of garlic powder on it, if you had an intolerance, we're probably flared up worse than actually having a garlic clove. So, so the reason why he asked this question, and I've been asked this question before, is because when you look at the comment, like if we were to list the top five things that people in America are allergic to or intolerant to, they would look like this. It'd be dairy, nuts, soy, wheat,

Starting point is 01:21:43 and I don't know what the fifth one would be. Something that's really the common. You figure, you ask yourself, why are there things that are so common? Like why is it peanut allergy so much more common than say an allergy to beef or something like that? There's a couple of things. First and foremost, it's exposure. So it's expected that you're going to find more people intolerant to rice in Japan than you will find in the US.

Starting point is 01:22:10 And if you study the literature, you'll actually find that that's true. More people are intolerant to rice than there are in the US. So part of it is exposure. If under the context of inflammation, if you haven't inflamed gut, if you're consuming a lot of the same thing, that gives the opportunity for those particles, for those food particles to move through the digestive system in ways that they're not supposed to or go through the gut wall when they're not supposed to, which gives your body or your immune system more of an opportunity to develop antibodies. So now you've developed an intolerance and immunity to it or an immune issue to it. That's number one. But number two, some foods just simply are more immunologic.

Starting point is 01:22:52 Some foods are just more likely to create problems. The reason for this, and what people think the reason for this is, is that foods have in them, many foods have in them, natural substances that make them more difficult to digest as protective mechanisms. For example, when you consume eggs, for example, egg whites, far more people are allergic or intolerant to egg whites than there are to egg yolks. They're all the egg, and yet people with gut issues,

Starting point is 01:23:21 typically can tolerate egg yolk, no problem, and egg whites many times will cause an issue. This is because when you examine the egg, you find that the egg white serves many functions, but some one of them is to protect the yolk and it contains natural antibodies. Now, cooking an egg destroys many of them, but many of them do stay present. So if you've got these natural antibodies, you consume them, you have this compromised, you know, context of inflammation, boom, egg whites become more of an issue. Certain foods have this as well. Lagumes are one of them and peanuts are a lagoon. Gluten is another

Starting point is 01:23:55 one. Dairy is another one. So although some foods you're more likely to have intolerances to, that does not mean you can't develop an intolerance to something that you eat all the time just because you will. And more often than not, that is it, right? That I mean, it's the food, I mean, this is why I think food rotation is so important. So important because it could be a healthy food that you become intolerant to.

Starting point is 01:24:17 It doesn't matter if your gut is inflamed and that's what penetrates because you're, and you're more likely to penetrate the gut lining if that's what you're consuming all the time and you just happen to be inflamed. And it's like, oh shit, you're, and you're more likely to penetrate the gut lining if that's what you're consuming all the time. And you just happen to be inflamed. And it's like, oh, shit, you know, avocado's one of my favorite things to eat all the time. And I have it every single day. And it's healthy for you.

Starting point is 01:24:33 So it's cool. But wait, I'll send them inflamed. And that's now what I'll never forget. So back when I had my studio, I had a young lady in there that was a gut health expert. This is one of the things that she really focused on. And at the time, I wasn't super on board. I was still kind of, I was transitioning from the bro,

Starting point is 01:24:52 like Macros only count, Proteins, fats and carbs to kind of learning about these things. And this is before I had my major gut issues that kind of forced me to look at these things. I had a client who came to the gym all the time, worked out all the time, and they had Exima. And Exima is an autoimmune issue. It's your own immune system causing problems with your skin.

Starting point is 01:25:13 And we had this great environment in my facility. It was small where everybody talked to everybody, which was cool. I loved it. Like, my clients came in, but other trainers talked to my client, and other clients talked to other clients. It was awesome. And we'd have these big discussions. And so I had this discussion with my client about his ex-ma, and we're going back and forth, and we're trying to figure out

Starting point is 01:25:31 what's going on, and he's saying, you know, do you think it's food, and at the time I didn't think food caused that? So I know I said, it's probably your genetics, and we're going back and forth. And so this other trainer who was in there, and she says, no, it might be something that you're eating. You may have a food intolerance. And I, you know, I tried not to to roll my eyes because I wanted to honor everybody.

Starting point is 01:25:48 And so we had this big discussion. We're going back and forth and she said, hey, you should try eliminating dairy gluten and I think something else that might have been nuts or whatever and see if that helps. And so because this particular individual was kind of exhausted all the other resources and they said, sure, let me try it out. And they eliminated gluten, dairy, and legumes. And nothing happened. Exit my state.

Starting point is 01:26:09 So here I am, I'm thinking like, okay, so I was right. I proved it. It's genetics. It's not food. And we went about our day. Well, this conversation continued in gym on and off every time this client come in. And so finally, my trainer, who's the gut health health expert convinced this person to do an elimination diet and say, look, it could be anything,

Starting point is 01:26:30 and I'm thinking in my head, of course you're gonna say that because you got proven wrong. She said, you can be anything, eliminate foods, go super basic, and then we'll see what happens. And the cool thing is this particular individual, this client that I was training was, they were like a dream client, like they would try anything.

Starting point is 01:26:47 They sound desperate, they said desperate for results, right? And they would adhere to it. Like when you do an elimination diet, you got to be super vigilant, which is one of the reasons why most people don't do it. So he did this and he did this elimination diet. And over the course of six months, he identified and he tested this several times. Like he went off, went back on, went off, went back on, and he fucking this several times like he went off went back on went off went back on and he fucking Identified that it was bananas bananas gave him Exima and he couldn't he bananas

Starting point is 01:27:11 He couldn't he bananas which blew my mind and if and the reason why it was a problem for him was Because he ate bananas every day twice a day he ate him for like a decade It was like one of his favorite foods and And so he developed an intolerance to bananas, eliminated bananas, no more eczema. And that was like my first peak into, what could be potentially happening with these things. And now we know, Rob Wolf talks a little bit about this in his book, Wired to Eat, where they'll do

Starting point is 01:27:42 these continual glucose monitors on people and measure their insulin response. And they'll get these continual glucose monitors on people and measure their insulin response, and they'll get some fucking weird shit, man, where some dude will eat a cookie and won't get as big of an insulin response as they will when they eat macadamia nuts or something that has no sugar, and it blows everybody's mind, and that's because they probably have an intolerance to those macadamia nuts. So this is an important subject because what you need to understand, and the reason why people in fitness and people in nutrition and health Sound like they're all over the place why you hear so many people say this diet's better that diet's better

Starting point is 01:28:15 This diet better and then you have a lot of people say You know just listen to your body everybody's different which used to piss me off. I'd be like what do you mean everybody's different now? The truth is your immune system, your body, is very unique to your experiences, your genetics and epigenetics, where you could have an intolerance to anything. Don't rule anything out. So if you're having these weird gut issues,

Starting point is 01:28:39 a weird skin issues, a weird issues, and you're looking at your diet and you're saying to yourself, I eat healthy though, like all I ever eat is really healthy food. It can be anything that's causing these issues, a weird issues, and you're looking at your diet and you're saying to yourself, I eat healthy though, like all I ever eat is really healthy food. It can be anything that's causing these issues, including seasoning like this guy's asking this question. People just get angry because it's such a simple concept, but it's not easy to apply. You know, if you're going to go through something like that, it's a really regimented, you know, like focused diet.

Starting point is 01:29:04 How bad do you want to fix? Protocol, but listen, it's so simple to where it's gonna reveal everything for you. So I highly suggest that. Dude, how? Think about the paradigm shift I had to go through. Here I was, Mr. Fitness Expert at this point I had been in fitness for, I don't know, 14 years or something,

Starting point is 01:29:21 top of my game, right? I know more than anybody I talk to, or at least I think I do, that's what's in my mind, right? Like I'm fuck, I know everything, right? And here I am, I'm eating a diet that consisted of chicken breasts, oatmeal, whole wheat, you know, products, you know, rice, you know, vegetables and fruits and nuts, and here I am with gut issues,

Starting point is 01:29:40 and someone's telling me that what I'm eating is fucking with my gut, and I'm like, fuck you man, I eat super healthy. This is fitness food. Yeah, I'm eating is fucking with my gut, and I'm like, fuck you man, I eat super healthy. This is fitness food. Yeah, I'm eating super healthy, you're crazy. Imagine the paradigm shift I had to go through, I had to look at what I ate and I had to realize that these healthy foods could be caused.

Starting point is 01:29:54 You have to get over yourself. Dude, and then of course people identify what they're food. I mean, I have exactly. Dude, I've had clients who just, they eat the same, that's a barrier now. For breakfast, and they've eaten the same thing for breakfast for 20 years I live and die by my oatmeal in the morning. Yeah, and I tell them like no, you can't let's eliminate oatmeal They look at me like I just told them to cut their arm off

Starting point is 01:30:13 I'm literally on somebody like oh crazy totally Next up is sincerely jazz my dad is diabetic It's a main reason why I started this lifestyle It kills me to see him feed this disease every day, but I almost feel helpless. I feel like it's too late for him to change due to his age habits, et cetera. What are your opinions? What do you guys, how do you guys handle that? Because I know we're all in that same situation.

Starting point is 01:30:39 I mean, I think that it's something that we've all been dealing with for a very long time. Here's my thing, man. And I just, it took me a long time to get this way. I'm dealing with this currently right now with my sister. My sister has got, yeah, she's got stuff going on with her kidneys right now. And she's, and she's pregnant. And she's not changing her diet at all. She's eating really poorly.

Starting point is 01:31:02 And you've got to know that's got to be stressing it even more. And you know, in the past, I would try and force my information on her and try and coerce her to eat better, make healthier choices. But what I've learned is that it doesn't really get anywhere. The most traction I've ever got any time with any family is representing it within my own life and exemplifying it on another level that they've never seen before. I remember when I competed, that was really when I kind of won over

Starting point is 01:31:37 all of Katrina's family, because up to that point, we'd already been together for a few years and everyone just knew Adam's a trainer but nobody asked my opinion on anything. And I don't give it. I'm saying I've been doing this for a long time. I know, everyone just knew Adam's a trainer, but nobody asked my opinion on anything. And I don't give it. I'm saying I've been doing this for a long time. I know it doesn't work this way.

Starting point is 01:31:50 And so I'd have to wait till someone thinks and then when they saw what I did with my transformation and then taking it to that extreme, then now every all of the family, everybody wants to sit down, everybody wants to listen. And some of them, very few of them actually follow through on anything I teach them, but some of them have at least taken that effort to try and to apply it and do it,

Starting point is 01:32:07 and that's the most headway I have ever had with any family, otherwise the other way of expressing your concern or how I'm so sad, whatever angle you're coming at with your dad or family member, unfortunately, it doesn't ever work. It doesn't ever work and they don't ever receive it that way. And I think the best way to go about it is to continue to exemplify it within your own life. And otherwise, and the attitude you have to have, the attitude that I have with it is that everyone's going to live their life. And who am I to, because

Starting point is 01:32:39 if he only wants to live to 40 and go out with a bang and he cheesed burgers every single day from McDonald's, like who am I to say that he can't do that, you know? And most people that are doing these things are aware of it. They're not, they're, when you, especially when you have someone like that who's looking at something like diabetes, you're being told your doctor is telling you what's going on. So, and I'm, and even though doctors are not the best example I'm sure they told him the clean is diet up and if you have some of those answers and you want to provide it from But he's not wanting to seek that knowledge. You're never gonna get anywhere with it. We're constantly bargaining with ourselves we're cut where the bargain is my present self with my future self. It is it's a bargain So if I say to myself, I'm going to abstain from this activity that I know I'm going to enjoy right now in order to

Starting point is 01:33:30 save currency for my future self, then I'm going to make that bargain. So if I say to myself, I want to eat that cheeseburger. It's going to feel really good right now. And it's worth the trade to my future self to enjoy this right now. Then that's the decision I make. Or I can do the opposite and say, this is not worth taking from my future to feed me now. So I'm going to abstain today to pay for my future self. So there's that.

Starting point is 01:33:54 And one thing that I've learned from that, which has been effective for me, is to reframe the conversation. Because when given the opportunity, most people will choose their presence self over their future self. That's just why we're impulsive. So why we do the shit that we do. Like, you know, that's why we do stupid shit because we'd rather have it now, uh, than later, you know, you tell a 20 year old, Hey man, if you take care of yourself, now you're going to live till you're 95.

Starting point is 01:34:20 Like, don't give a fuck. They just want to have fun right now because 95 and 75 are both far away So they don't really give a shit, right? So I've reframed it and I and I try to resell the package and I've talked about this before I'm gonna give this example again. I when I was married at the time my wife worked for a tech company and I went to her Christmas party now at this time I'd always been in fitness and in people in fitness are obviously very aware of their health But I I tend to forget that most people are just not aware It's not a thing that they think about so I go to this dinner

Starting point is 01:34:51 We're at this no dinner I'm surrounded by all these people who work in tech and They're bringing out the food and they have this you know first they have this you know Basket of bread and they're passing the bread around and I pass it and I don't have any. Then there's desserts at the end and I'm not having any. And I know, you know, I sense that people are looking at me because I'm a trainer and I'm sure you guys have experienced this. People want to look at what you're eating and want to kind of judge what you're doing because you're, you know, you're a trainer. Maybe they feel like you're, they think that you're a holder than now because you're whatever. So I get that feeling, but I'm like, whatever, I'm not going to have a one any bread. I want this and that. And there was this very overweight lady

Starting point is 01:35:26 that was sitting across from me, big lady. And we were talking the whole time. And she was very gregarious and charismatic. And, but I could tell she was, there was, she was being challenged by some of the decisions I was making with my food when I wasn't having the, you know, the dessert. And she says, you know, Sal, because by this point now we'd become friends. And she says, you know, Sal, I had a friend that was just like you. And I'm like, oh, really? And she goes, yeah, my friend was into running. She was into working out. Which by the way, this statement coming is her reflection of her insecurities

Starting point is 01:35:56 that she's doing with what she's doing. I don't even know what the rest of the sit, but you know it is. So she looks at me and this is in front of the whole table. And she's she thinks she's making this fucking amazing point. And she's, you know, I had this friend that was just like him. So I'm like, oh, like how? And she goes, oh, she was a fitness fanatic.

Starting point is 01:36:09 She exercised all the time. She ran, she lifted weights, she ate right, she looked phenomenal. I mean, she was lean, she was vibrant. And then at 45, she got ovarian cancer and she died. And after that happened, I said to myself, I will always just enjoy my life right now and never worry about anything because, you know,

Starting point is 01:36:33 who knows what's gonna happen and this and that. And so my response, I looked at her after she said that and I said, I didn't know what you said. And I said, well, that's terrible. I'm sorry you had to experience that. I said, well, there's a couple of things here. First off, we don't know what would have happened, had she eaten terribly and not taken care of herself.

Starting point is 01:36:49 Perhaps she would have died earlier, perhaps she wouldn't have lasted a long time. I said, but we don't know that. The bottom line is we don't know the future. I could literally leave this restaurant, walk outside, get an accident and die from a car accident. It's all about the quality. And I said, I don't eat healthier and better to live longer

Starting point is 01:37:06 and to increase my longevity. I say that sometimes, and I think about that because it sounds great, but the reality is, I do it because I live better now. And I said, and the truth of the matter is, if you do it right, if you're not obsessed and you go crazy about it, if you do it right and you take care of yourself today, you will enjoy today much more. I said, for example, let me ask you this question. Let's say you were an optimal health, and this was when I kind of poked that a little bit, but I wasn't trying to, but I know she felt it. I said, let's say you were an optimal health,

Starting point is 01:37:34 and you didn't know way that you enjoyed, so you weren't super extreme about it, but you were an optimal health. Now think of all your life experiences, your daily experiences waking up in the morning, going to work, talking to your friends, watching movies and joins. Do you feel like your quality of life would be better or be worse as a result

Starting point is 01:37:50 from it? And she was silent. And the whole fucking table looked at me and was like, and I got a couple of pauses, which I didn't, I wasn't trying to like clown on this lady, but that's exactly what happened. So what I do now when I talk to people as I try to sell it differently, and I tell them, look, I don't fucking know how long you're gonna live and I'm not talking about, you know, but right now, if you're fit and healthy,

Starting point is 01:38:10 I promise you'll experience sex will be better. You know, outside will be better. Yeah, but I'm gonna go deeper than that on this because this is, let's be real, dude. The number one abuse substance in the world is food. So it's like a drug for many, many people. And somebody who is getting that's diabetic from this, right, if you weren't born with it. So if you get diabetes later on in your life from food consumption, that is a result of

Starting point is 01:38:41 the addiction to food that you have. And not fixing that is still continuing to feed that addiction. And so the main numb and unaware. So the problem is not with the food. The problem is not with his choices. It's why is he making those choices? Why do you want to be disconnected or non-present to the point or to ignore, you're saying Justin, why is that? And that is where if you're gonna fix somebody like your dad, or I'm gonna fix somebody like my sister, and I know that, I know that my sister

Starting point is 01:39:14 is battling other things right now, and the way she's taking care of her health is just an expression of that. Sure, it's resulted from the bad choices of food, but it's not the food's fault, it's what she's covering up with that. And that's with almost everybody with these situations. That's anything, anything, any drug or whatever. And I can't provide that. I can't give that to this person. Now, as a family member, you can love them. You can try and be there for that.

Starting point is 01:39:38 And like I said, the best way that I have gotten through to these type of people is to exemplify it in my life. So they want that because they see the old expression. You can lead a horse to water. We can't make them drink like that. I've been literally dealing with this with my dad for a long time and just recently had a breakthrough. So it's really what it's not impossible. You know, people can change their mentality and their mindset towards it.

Starting point is 01:40:01 I think the only problem is when it gets to a point where something health wise becomes a real problem and they have a scare. This is somewhat of why the shift and the change of mentality. I knew there was an opportunity there for me to come in and help educate and steer a little bit more. But he, I mean, he was like getting up and down from his chair and getting really lightheaded and like having heart problems and all these types of things. And it's just, there's just so many different things. Like he's a bigger guy, 6'7".

Starting point is 01:40:36 You know, he's like carrying all this excess weight. Think about what got to him though. Was it you or was it because he had a scare and that woke him up just like you hear all the time with people with drinking and driving who all of a sudden have this crazy accent they live and also they don't drink anymore afterwards. Again, it's the addiction to the food and some people and some people don't wake up from that. Some people go through what he goes through and then and then totally and't respond at all. Well, and I think too, like, if you're really concerned, you just kind of look for those

Starting point is 01:41:10 escalating kind of like issues and you try to just kind of be there. And I was always there kind of like giving little seeds here and there and just like not, I wasn't trying to like, you know, I knew he was stubborn. I knew he's stubborn. I'm not trying to like educate him, you know, I'm a son, but at the same time, like he would, I could tell he was becoming more receptive. And so what I, I was just starting like, hey, check out this documentary, you know, like somebody else is saying it on here that's really like easily digestible. I know it's like within something you would do, you could watch it. And after you watch is it like it was the science of

Starting point is 01:41:46 Fasting you watch that you just got like super inspired by it and I didn't see that coming at all Dude, it's a good point because you chose a really good moment to do that Yeah, you know He's already being motivated because of the scare and then to help to provide some information or knowledge to him in that arena I think is a smart strategy. I mean We're all experiences right now because we're all experiencing this right now because we're all in our mid to late 30s. So I'm being personally now faced with my parent,

Starting point is 01:42:11 the reality of the mortality of two of the most important people in my life, which are my parents. Now they're not super old, but my dad just turned 60. And this is when you look at health problems right around the age of 60s when you start to see, then start to creep up pretty quickly and as every age

Starting point is 01:42:27 It goes up faster and faster. And so it's just something that I have to It's something I have to deal with and grapple with and I think what you're saying Adam is absolutely correct like First you have to accept it like accept that they make their own decisions because what'll end up happening is If you refuse to accept it if you refuse to accept it you if you refuse to accept it, you will ruin the relationship you have with that individual, or you're fucking torment yourself, and let's be honest, if you don't take care of your health, which includes your mental and emotional health, then you're not gonna be there for them if they need it,

Starting point is 01:42:57 and you're gonna end up hurting yourself, so that's number one. So you can't force people to do anything. All you can do is be a good example and be there if they have that if they ask questions. But there is there are a couple strategies that I've identified that tend to be more successful. One of them is the one that I mentioned where you reframe it. Instead of living longer or whatever, it's, hey, man, it's a lot better right now. That's one of them. And the other thing is anytime

Starting point is 01:43:21 you're trying to change, and I learned this by the way, managing sales people, okay, trust me, this is all connected. If you're trying to change a behavior that has become kind of hardwired or it's become a part of someone's behavior, one of the best things you could do is change the environment. So let me give you an example of what I mean. When I had sales people, I would notice after a particular period of time of managing them and we would get rolling

Starting point is 01:43:45 and people would get cocky, people would start to get lazy. All of a sudden this guy's not making as much phone calls, this guy's not hustling as much, this guy's not, you know, this girl over here is not doing what she's supposed to like, she was three months ago when we were pushing and motivated and grinding. So what I would do is I'd come in the morning real early and I'd switch everybody's desk around where I'd take their chairs away. I'd do something stupid where all of a sudden their environment is just a little bit different. Now they're standing or now they're sitting somewhere and I'd switch everybody's desk around, or I'd take their chairs away. I'd do something stupid, where all of a sudden their environment is just a little bit different. Now they're standing,

Starting point is 01:44:07 or now they're sitting somewhere different, or now I have them. Sometimes I take their desk and put them outside. Now we're gonna sit outside, and we're gonna talk to people, whatever. Just changing the environment, sometimes, it's almost like it gives you this fresh, like, okay, I'm in a new spot,

Starting point is 01:44:19 I feel like anything's possible. I feel like we can start to change things. So, an example that would be, you know, if I took a family member or if I go on a vacation with a family member, like, oh, we're all going to go to Hawaii. And when we're there, I can talk to them and be like, hey, listen, while we're there, would you mind if I, you know, took, took, took charge of all the food, would you mind if I kind of manage that and control that? And I'll make sure it's tasty, but I'm also going to make sure it's healthy. And every once in a while, they'll be like, yeah, I'll agree to that, but because they're in Hawaii,

Starting point is 01:44:48 it's a different, or whatever, it's a different environment, everything seems possible. So now I kind of convinced them to follow this thing, and now I've had five or seven days, and now I start to ask questions like, how did you sleep last night? Oh, man, I'm sleeping really good. How's your digestion?

Starting point is 01:45:02 Oh, I can't believe it. And I've done this with my dad before, or I'll change the environment a little bit, and all of a sudden my dad's like, you know, my back's not hurting me anymore. Man, I'm starting to feel when I'm energetic, and I'll point out like, it's because of the food, it's because of this,

Starting point is 01:45:14 and because I give them the experience of what it feels like, the odds become stronger. But by no means is guaranteed, because you are dealing with some hard shit to change. Yeah. Yeah, because they have to, eventually they're gonna have. Yeah, absolutely. Because they have to eventually, they are going to have to, just like somebody who's addicted to drugs, eventually you will have to address.

Starting point is 01:45:30 Because what normally happens with addicts is they trade one addiction for the next. And they never really solve the problem. I've seen this countless times with even close friends of mine who battle with some sort of addiction and they've been clean and sober for 10 years. But then when you evaluate their life,

Starting point is 01:45:44 they've just picked other habits up that they're extremely addicted to because what's happening is those people aren't really addressing the root cause. So eventually they will have to just change face that. And I think for, you know, I think that those are great tips for somebody who's a family member, but don't let this keep you up at night because it will, it'll, it'll just put stress on your relationship. Right. Right. It'll, it'll just, stress on your Related right right it'll it'll just you know

Starting point is 01:46:06 Maybe they do want to live that way and that's where I've just because I and I got people that are family and close to me They just that say that Adam listen. I don't plan to live more than another 10 15 years and so hard to swallow Yeah, it is it's and for me that's like oh my god like but who might and someone my who's saying this to me has lived a very full life And and I think as I'm getting older I'm starting to understand that a little bit better because when I think about that, what are some things that I really want to do or want to accomplish? I've checked off a lot of those things. I'm a pretty happy person overall and some people may feel like they've already... And let's be honest, the reality is the more you force people, the more they tend to dig their heels in,

Starting point is 01:46:45 and not want to fucking do something. And sometimes when you step off of it, you can't force it. You know what I mean? Times I've like backed off, and then, you know, a few months later, all of a sudden, they're like, hey, Sal, would you mind? No, you just remain available and, you know, understanding,

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