Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 694: Where Testosterone is Stored, Brown vs White Rice, Lab Grown Meat & MORE

Episode Date: January 27, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the superiority of brown or white rice, the concept of just eating more to enhance recovery, whether or not testosterone is stored in the legs and whether they will eat "clean meat," meat that is grown in a lab using animal cells. The guys talk sleepovers (5:55) Uber Eats acquires Ando / Amazon Go Store, the new wave of the future! Low skill jobs going away and the need for high skilled ones rise. The guys have a deep conversation… (10:18) Is the human brain hard-wired for mystical experiences? Taking a deep dive into religion and talk Jordan Peterson. (28:44) Sal is on fire because of that Lion’s Mane! / Adam on that Joovv light therapy (36:43) Thrive Market Unboxing Segment – Justin’s Box! (40:48) Quah question #1 - What’s better, brown or white rice? (45:38) Quah question #2 – Do you believe with the figureheads, the concept of just eating more to enhance recovery? (53:25) Quah question #3 – Myth or fact, that testosterone is stored in the legs? (1:04:36) Quah question #4 – What is your opinion on "clean meat," meat that is grown in a lab using animal cells, will you eat it? (1:10:50) Links/Products Mentioned: Uber Eats acquires Ando, the food delivery startup from David Chang that makes its own food Inside Amazon Go, a Store of the Future Robots, Automation Could Replace 800 Million Jobs by 2030 Minimum wage leads to job losses Is The Human Brain Hardwired for God Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God (YouTube) Four Sigmatic (MP sponsor) Use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products Joovv (MP sponsor) Enter “mindpump” at checkout 4 Chaga Mushroom Benefits: The King of Mushrooms Can Increase Your Strength and Endurance Thrive Market (MP sponsor) One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more What 14 Studies Say About Brown Rice vs. White Rice Mechanisms of plant defense against insect herbivores Effects of Physical Activity and Inactivity on Muscle FatigueLab-grown meat is in your future, and it may be healthier than the real stuff Lab-Grown Meat May Save a Lot More than Farm Animals' Lives   People Mentioned: Kyle Kingsbury (@Kingsbu)  Instagram Mark Mastrov Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) Twitter Shawn Baker (@shawnbaker1967)  Instagram Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? 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Pooper trooper. Yeah, well, we got to, man, we're about to fly off to Austin, man. We got to lost stuff. Head back up. Is it been over a year since we went to on it? How long ago was it, we like it. How long ago was it when we went to on it? It's got to been, at least a year. We've been out there twice now or just once. Twice because of paleo effects.

You're right. Oh, that's right. That was really, that was really. Paleo effects was April or May? April and May. So it's actually been longer than that since we went to on it. So we would, I mean, obviously we stopped by the voice, said hi to them at Paleo FX.

But it wasn't we weren't like there like, yeah, we weren't out of it. So it's been over a year since we went to on an Academy to go, because I think so now that our boy Kyle is head of human optimization, right? That's what's the director of human optimization? I don't know, it's got an interesting title. He's got a bad ass title now. It's the director of human optimization. Let's see here. I'm gonna ask Doug if he doesn't say I want a better title for what we're doing. He's host. Yeah. Kyle one of those guys. He's one of those few individuals that you probably will never meet.

That is like the super nice, peaceful. I love that dude guy Guy, who can kill you? Yeah. Very easily. We showed you. Not a lot of guys. Have we allowed just to come into our little circle to the point where he's, you know, he spent the night with us. I feel like with you, you enter a new ring. A new ring. But he spent the night with you.

Yeah. You enter a new ring of friendship with me when you spend the night. Like kids? Like kids? Yeah, you know when you're a kid and your friend sleeps over? Yeah, yeah, you're to be. Not like kids are sleeping over.

To me, you can't call someone a best friend or even a really good friend until they spend the night at your house. That was true when we were kids. It's like friends card. You're not a fine kid, right? I've only had, there's only several people that's ever slept over my house.

I wasn't a big sleepover dude when I was a kid. That's another way of saying that is you didn't have a lot of friends too. No, I had tons. That's sad. It's so many. I had the most. I had the most.

No, I only had, let me see. You didn't have all the cool toys. My cousin slept over. It was always family actually. I had a lot of cousins my age. So I never really had like school friends sleepover because why? You know what I mean?

Well, because you didn't have a lot of friends. I guess it's okay. I mean I never had a family. It's fine. My family loved friends. I think that's okay. I mean, I have family friends. You have my family love me. That's just a... I love family. Yeah, that's good. My family love me, Adam.

That's what I want. What if, did you have a lot of friends sleepover? I did. It did. I did a lot of sleepin' over at other friends house too, because my house was so chaotic, you know, not to get all dark on people and stuff like that, but because there was a lot of fighting,

a lot of bullshit in my house, any chance I could spend the night at friends else. I was the friend, I pulled that maneuver, which I think I've talked about on the show before where I'd be calling my friends up, like, hey, ask your mom if I could spend the night, dude, call your mom up, ask her if it's cool if I could stay the night. You know, so I was always trying to stay the night somewhere else. Not to, I mean, other than just the fighting part of my family growing up, but we didn't have a lot of cool stuff either. So I had a lot of my friends were on the other side

of the tracks. So they had all the cool toys, the latest and greatest Nintendo, or what was cool, or basketball hoops, based on always transqueasing some Zelda. Yeah, man. Oh, shit, that's right. Yeah, there's a few of my friends that had it

and we didn't have it yet. And we had like the Atari 2.000 or 1,000, is that what it was? The Atari? Yeah, before then the NES came out and it was like it took forever for me to get it. So I was like, staying at everybody's house that had it that I could.

Dude, we used to play Super Contra. That was the game. Remember that? And you do the Konami code, the up, up, down, down, down, down, the right, right, left, right. The A, C, B, B. How weird is that? So this, down, down, the right, right, left, right. The A's like me. The A's like me.

How weird is that? So this is before, obviously before the internet, but everybody knew it. Like everybody got that code. Like things spread, they still spread, regardless. Now it's the internet, it's different, right? You look it up and you find it, but it's funny too how you memorize those things.

They have a different name for that. What do they call it? Mods and what did my little brother, I heard him say and said then there's terminal, I'm like, was a gamer for a long time, but now like I just don't even understand the terminology they use for game hacks. And there's yet all mad now because you get all these mods

ahead of it going into it. So these kids buy mods for their character and stuff and they go in. So like some people don't even buy the game because they're like, yeah, you know, they're coming in with all those extra powers and all this stuff, you know, and like dominating. Yeah, gaming's changed, changed a lot. Pretty funny. You guys see in the news recently with Uber, whether they acquired, um, ando, a and d.o. I believe it's a company. It's a, uh, Uber eats. Yes. Yes. Uber eats. it's a company. It's a Uber Eats. Yes, dude.

Uber Eats, projected to do $3 billion in revenue. So is this where you order food and they go pick it up for you? Yeah, there's a lot of services that do that right now. But this year, they will overnight become the biggest in the world. Uber Eats is going to surpass Uber, drive, or Uber rides, or whatever it's called.

So, Ando explained like that was a company that already made their own food. Is that what I was saying? Right, so they were already like a, what's the door dash is what we use here? Door dash is a company that we use locally. So, Ando was another company like that. They were actually like a restaurant delivery service

without a brick and mortar restaurant. And they were really successful and good what they did. So Uber was already working as a partnership with them. They ended up acquiring them. And rumor has it that this is one of many to come. This is Uber's big play against Amazon and Whole Foods and Amazon getting into this. Oh, that's so great. Right.

That's great. Every CDC too, like an Amazon actually launched their ghost or yeah, the go up in Seattle So I've been reading about it like a weed for this. I talked about this like fucking six months ago and South Center thing like dude check this all out my bro. I shared this already So I was reading an article about it and people were being interviewed as they were going in there and it's like You're in an out in 30 seconds. My see nothing theory is they're going to convert all the whole foods to that. Dude. That would be the easiest transition is so they opened up the goes.

This is what I think. And this is purely speculation. I don't know for sure, but from all the articles that I've read, the books that I've read in this field, I love this stuff. I think that what's happening is Amazon's big move was the whole food purchase. We know that. We see them trying to drop prices and make smart strategies like you brought up with the water the other day.

The next big transition, I think, and that was the whole point of running these Amazon Go stores. Make sure they're successful, get all the kinks out. And then I think we're going to see either this year or next year, then roll out the Amazon Go stores will now be whole food. I think they just put the system in place. I don't know, it makes sense. Plus, dude, it needs to happen.

I mean, have you guys been to like Safeway or, you know, oh my God, I just wanna shoot myself sometimes. Oh, if you go to Prime, if you go to Prime hours, like around five o'clock, on, dude. It's a matter of time. It's a matter of time for different reasons. There's no need for any more. It's, here's the thing that people need to understand

about what is gonna happen. There's really no way around this. It's gonna happen. Low skilled jobs are going to be replaced. And the more we, and we can only accelerate it by creating, by raising minimum wage loss. No, that's the irony and all of this is the people that vote for minimum wage going off.

They're just accelerating the inevitable. They are. They are eliminating jobs. Right, it's almost like it's your robbing Peter to pay Paul right now. It's like you're asking for something to go up so you can make a dollar more an hour because it sounds like a good idea for you

because maybe you're a checker for whole foods, but you're only gonna be a checker for whole foods for maybe another year now. And we need to be clear, like to be very clear, if we don't raise minimal wage, it doesn't mean that it's still not gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Technology's going to replace,

or it's gonna create so much efficiency that, it's gonna be, it's not gonna make any sense to have a human do a low skill type of job. I'll tell you what though. So they're going to be gone. Here's where I disagree with that. It wouldn't if we did allow to pay people $4 an hour if they were, because here's the thing, right?

So imagine you're not whole foods, but you're in the grocery store market. Maybe you're in a small town and maybe your theory is that I still, there's something about the personable side of a grocer checking you out. So, it would be nice as a store owner, if I had the ability to offer jobs to people that may may not be qualified to get $10, $15, $20 an hour jobs, that I could pay them $5 an hour, now we can still give this like, you know, customer service feel. For $5 an hour. Right.

No. No, I know it's not possible. It's not, I'm not saying that it's not possible. It's, but part of the reason why it's not possible is because we've driven the minimum wage laws up. Had you still, if that didn't exist, you still would let it, it still would be competitive for somebody who could do that.

But when you drive the minimum wage up that high, as store and now you have to do the math of okay, I have 10 cash years that work for me at an average of 200 something hours per week. What does that look like? I mean, it is inevitable. I don't care if there's, yes, raising minimum wage laws for sure is accelerating the inevitable. When you're going to cost 15 bucks an hour to employ you, now the cost of a machine to do it doesn't have to be super cheap. It just has to be cheap. That's right.

I mean, if you were paying them four or five dollars, it's not necessarily. But it's still going to happen. It's still going to happen in an instant. But it could be something that it takes 10 or 20 years to get there versus like companies now will be forced to look at this because it's I remember. Okay. So the CEO of 24 our fitness Carl Liebert, who was after Mark Maastroff came in, and this was their vision for 24 our fitness because he came from Home Depot. He was responsible for that he was the CEO to bring in the self checkout. So he was that was love it. Yeah. He was the CEO to bring in the self-checkout. So he was the self-checkout model guy who brought that to Home Depot and was the big turnaround there.

And that was part of why Fittness brought him on board there, because that was the evolution of how they did sales and check-in, and they wanted to eventually... Which is actually a good lesson in understanding that that works well for some industries, works terrible for others. Again, going to my point, this is what I meant by, if you can't tell me that if minimum wage was more competitive, or meaning that it didn't exist,

then I could pay somebody whatever. Whatever someone was willing, it's obviously volunteer. Yes, right, whatever somebody was willing to work for, and I'm the small mom pod chain, you know, it might make sense for me to keep, you know, four or five of these cashier employees that I pay low-door,

but I found them and they're passionate about what they do and maybe they have an old, they have a record and so they can't get a really good job, but they really want to try and contribute to society now. And so here's what I, so here's the thing. here's the way I'm going I do I totally get where you're going. I understand your rationale, but here's a thing people don't if people want that kind of service

For from a grocery store where they go in and talk and meet with someone that Individual is going to have a higher level of skill. They're not gonna work for five bucks an hour And it's a different environment altogether. Now I'm going to a- We're using number- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to-

Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm going to- Now I'm saying four or five words a year. What I'm saying is in the grocery store market for the most part, people just want their product and they want fast and want to get the fuck in and fuck out.

Now when you go to a gym, some people want that and that model does exist, but some people also want people there who know what they're doing to help them, which is why fitness is a little different. But at the end of the day, low skilled jobs are going to disappear. Now what people need to understand is that does not mean we now have less jobs. That's not at all what it means.

In fact, if free setp opportunity for that company to grow and do other things and provide more jobs. Not just that, but it's the unknown. It's the unseen. If a company can create an environment or a business like these Amazon grocery stores where you go in, check in and out, and they're saving money,

we've now increased efficiency, which now increases wealth. Opportunities explode from that, which is why today, even though, you know, if most jobs from 100 years ago don't exist anymore, but obviously today it's much better off, more wealth, there's more opportunities. But the bottom line is these low-skilled jobs

are just not gonna exist. And if you want them to disappear faster, all you gotta do is arbitrarily raise the cost of them up with some bullshit economic fairyland laws like a minimum wage where here, let's just invent the fucking value of this job because we think we want to help people when in reality what you're doing is you're destroying wealth, destroying efficiency, and you're hurting the very people that you think you're helping. It just sounds good in politics, but it's a very exciting, interesting future and we are

entering into a time where the low skill type stuff is going to be replaced by robots and you're going to need more high skill employees or employees for a different job. This is why here in Silicon Valley, people get paid so much for tech. It's not because part of the reason why is there's not a lot of supply. Like there's not a lot of labor to do this stuff. Like if you're a company, do you know much money these tech companies spend

on recruiting just to find talent because it's so hard to find talent? That's so competitive. It's so good. So they have to offer a shit ton of money and benefits and they have to offer free massages and food. You go on Google campus, it's like,

they do everything but jerk you off, just because they're trying to attract you because they're so little of people like you, you know what I'm saying? So it's very, very interesting. There's also, this is another good one. I actually was watching this video on China. And a lot of people think that companies like Apple go to China because labor's cheap.

That's actually not true. China's labor's not really cheap anymore. China just has a lot of fucking people who are very specialized with what they do. So if you need the kind of people who can operate the machinery and the tools to make these phones, which is a very specific set of skills. It's high skill, it's still high skill. It's a very specific set though of these high skills. There is a very big shortage here in the US. Like if

Apple wanted to open up a place to make iPhones here, there wouldn't be able to find enough people. Just think this is why I believe. That's why they go to China. When Apple and Facebook and Google University all comes out, bro, it's gonna be a game. That has to be, right? It has to be because what a game change that was after me. The limiting factor. They'll have, yeah.

Think of it just like when you went to college and you had all these different, you know, expertise or degrees that you could go towards. Oh yeah. You're gonna have this lit, and it's all job opportunities for these companies. It would be awesome to see them all combine forces and then provide this bad-ass place. The best thing we can do is get out of the way

and don't stop creating false barriers with the market, stop creating this bull, you know, we're trying to protect people in reality what we're doing is we're slowing down the process because it will what'll happen and what people in reality what we're doing is we're slowing down the process because it will What'll happen and what happens in markets when they're like this is? The is it becomes a market where employers are fighting over Talent that becomes the limiting factor. You know awesome. That is now

Maybe tough for a business because you're now you're trying to grow and you're like holy shit There's not enough people. We have the money, we have the, but we just don't have the people, but holy shit, if you're trying to get a job, you know, nice it is to go to different employers and then be like, who's gonna pay me the most? Which one do I want to, and have them bid on you? That is a very real reality in fields like tech that are innovates so quickly because they're so Unregulated in many ways like tech grows so quickly shit man I was what was I looking at the other day there was an ad that sort of was it was a an ad from I don't know early 1980s from radio shack, which I do they exist still

Maybe check here barely but they did and it was a cell phone remember the old cell phones It was like a huge brick. And then there was like a cable that attached to a briefcase. The price in the ad. The Goring Gecko Special. Bro, the price in the ad, not even adjusted for inflation, was like $800.

So this is like 1983. If you want this cell phone, which was shit, and all it could do is make phone calls and it didn't really work that well. And it was massive and expensive. It was huge, huge briefcase and big old brick under so, you ain't hiding that thing anywhere. That would have cost you in those dollars, $800.

Today, if you want a phone that just makes phone calls, that's all it does, you don't want a smartphone or anything. Give her like a dollar. You can give people a throw them away. You can give her away. Yeah. How awesome is that?

It's crazy. It's fucking awesome. That's why I don't really when people trip out on like that, the iPhone X and stuff, how expensive it is, it's so overrated. And it's inflated somewhat, but that's because we've talked about this before. Apple is a luxury brand, but it still has replaced my laptop, my desktop, and any way that I can- Everything.

Yeah, everything. I literally work from my phone all day long. Never. Think about it this way. A billionaire from, or the richest man in the world 150 years ago. Okay. The rich, I don't know who it is. I don't know, Rockefeller.

Just ridiculous wealth, incredible amount of money. Does, did not, and could not have the tools, access, information and whatever that a lower middle class person would have today. They just didn't have it, didn't exist. All the money in the world. That's a cool way to put it. All the money in the world and they could not have what your typical high school kid has, what there's just fucking smartphone. How awesome and crazy is that? So, every single industry is affected. Everything, and that's why retail, I was talking to somebody else like it.

You see a lot of people afraid of this change. Different industries where they're mom and pop shops or they're dealing in retail, they're dealing with products that the competing now with Amazon coming in and then just like offering it. It's just, it's kind of crazy and it makes you kind of wonder like how they're gonna survive

or what they're gonna do to shift and they really need to think about it. What happens is when you're, and we've seen this happen throughout all of history and you can go to different countries and see where people have tried to implement this. But what happens throughout all of history. You can go to different countries and see where people have tried to implement this. But what happens through all of history is innovation or technology or something comes and it starts to feel threatening to the people who are doing whatever job. So

if I'm making a product, if I'm making, I use this example all the time, but if I'm making wagon wheels and all of a sudden I see this new invention called an automobile Like I'm terrified because my skill isn't making wagon wheels and if this automobile takes off and everybody starts getting this and instead and stops getting horses and And buggies like I'm fucked now if there's enough of me What they do is we will go to our government and we will lobby them and say hey We need to protect our jobs they do is we will go to our government and we will lobby them and say, hey, we need to protect our jobs. We are going to lose our jobs. If we lose our jobs, everybody's fucked. There's an, and we'll vote for you if you help us. And then what they do is they

pass laws to protect those jobs. And in reality, what they do is they stifle innovation. They reduce efficiency. And what we don don't see which isn't as clear It's the unseen what they call an economics is this destruction of progress and wealth where if we just let that stuff happen Are they're gonna? Yeah, but you say that remember? I told you that day This is the part world that's such a catch 22 or what a conundrum to be in where you have you know Thousands of employees you know this has been in my dad started this business 70 years ago and I'm carrying it on 30 and my employees are like my family

and you know what, we've been making the wood wheel for fucking 100 years now and incomes. You know, it's like a taxi company. Well yeah, and they come in and you gotta ask yourself, like so there's a part of me that I totally agree and I get frustrated too, let progress happen, you're only hurting us long-term. But you're empathizing with the other side.

So can I? So can I? I can only imagine how to do a difficult decision. Well, we were in the gyms for a long time, personal trainers. This is probably not going to happen for any in the near future, so I'm sure this will take a while, but let's just imagine that some company invents ridiculous artificial intelligence and it's a robot and it's indistinguishable from a human

and it's a personal trainer's. And they're gonna do it for 10 bucks an hour and they're fucking good and they're motivational. And here I am now in a gym. I mean, that's threatening. Yeah, that's scary. So I can empathize with that. But what we need to do is look at the whole and say to ourselves, like, is that really what it's all about? Or is it that, I mean, what do humans do? What do we do? What makes us, what separates us from the animals? Is that we progress and we

progress off of each other's progress, not off of our own. I did not enter this world and invent everything around me. I entered this world and there was all this awesome shit already. And if I want to innovate in whatever and grow, I can add on top of that. And it just continues to grow, grow, grow. Also why it's so important that you're always evolving in your business, right? And always searching for that blue water.

Because, you know, if you get caught just enjoying the ride in business It's real easy. That's when somebody else comes up and go that's when people tell me they'll say something like oh, aren't you afraid that There's gonna be no jobs that AI is gonna do everything and I whenever someone says that to me I re I try to like rephrase it to them. It's okay. So what you're saying is there's a future Where machines do everything for a little neighbor. It sounds like you took your ass shit. That sounds like heaven to me.

That sounds pretty fucking cool. Can work out and just like read. That sounds pretty fucking awesome. You know what I'm saying? That sounds like a cool future if you ask me. And will it pose incredible challenges on humans? Well, I think so. I don't think we've ever been in a situation

where we didn't have to do anything and will that be difficult for a lot of people? I think so. I know a lot of people when they retire become depressed or get really sick because now they have they don't have any meaning. So I think it'll totally reframe you know what what you know Humanity like okay. Well now what's my meaning? If I don't have this, yeah. If I don't have to do anything, everything's provided to me like, do we just become apathetic, you know, lazy fools? Or we just come idiots? Or do we become star travelers?

Or do we have that sort of stuff? Speaking of what? We talk to Elon and you would say that for sure. For sure. So speaking of which, so I've been doing a lot of reading on this is some pretty interesting stuff. I don't want to go too far out next. I know we're gonna end up going deep with this, but there's been this debate for a while

that the human brain is hardwired for mystical experiences. In fact, they can simulate a god-like mystical experience in your brain in a laboratory, and we know that psychedelic drugs and stuff like that will do that also to people. And we know that the reason why religion has so much power and why it's existed for so long is it does that.

I find it fascinating because is it hardwired into our brains because it we evolved and it helped us or is it hardwired in our brains because there really is something out there. There really is something driving us. because it, we evolved and it helped us, or is it hardwired in our brains because there really is something out there. There really is something driving us. That's the big question, right? It's really fascinating.

It's really fascinating. That's sort of the divide between, somebody that believes or doesn't, right? Well, you know, there's the whole, like, where does morality come from? Where do we, where do humans derive our idea of morals? And did that create religion or was it the belief where do humans derive our idea of morals? And did that create religion or was it the belief

in all these other things that then created that morality? Is that what's separate of the egg? Yeah, and there's a lot of scientists that think it was the religion. It was those breakthroughs and those beliefs in things like an afterlife, like we take it for granted now, but imagine if you're a primitive ape or whatever,

and all of a sudden have this concept of, well, when I die, I still exist. Like there's something beyond that or whatever, or when this person dies or this, there's something beyond that. That's breakthrough thought. It's very, very fascinating, very interesting. Did you start the series with Jordan Peters yet? Have you started that yet?

A little bit. You did. A little bit. Yeah, so I'm kind of getting into it. I find it fascinating because I've known how important religion is to just to just, so when I, so I went through this whole process myself where I grew up in a Catholic family, and then I totally rejected it because it was really easy to see the hypocrisy and contradictions of modern religion. It's very easy to see some of the bad stuff that they've done and I'm talking about all the major religions.

But, and so I became very atheist, very, very strong atheist. And then as I learned about evolution, I started learning about history, I started learning about quantum physics and some of the weird stuff that happens there. I started to see that and learned that religion played such a huge role in mankind's evolution. Like on accident, it was something that we needed to progress as a people. And if you think about it, it's hung around for a long forever., right, and why would we need it now? And yet it's still quite powerful. It's very, very interesting.

And so that made me move away from atheism and more towards being agnostic and being like, well, this is quite interesting. Like, why is this lasted for so long? And why do we seem primed to believe in these things? Right, you know? You know what I was fascinated with is, and I have been watching this stuff.

I think after you sent that over last week, I have done like a super deep dive on him and Super Pro getting him on the show. And so I hope that happens for everybody in the next month or so, because probably one of the most compelling speakers that I've listened to ever possibly. And one of the things I was really fascinated in,

I noticed I was first listening to his speeches, and I could tell by a lot of the quotes and the analogies and some of the things he gave, I was like, this guy definitely has some biblical undertones, and then I started searching that with his name and realized, holy shit, he's done all kinds of great talks on this. He's got one that's got well over a million views. I have never in my life ever seen this and YouTube is examples,

search and tell me if you or someone share with me, if you've seen this before, a talk where I've seen as many atheists and Christian people comment positively about a speech. That is crazy to me. How how this man gave a talk for two and a half hours on the religion, religion, right? And then was able to speak to both Christian minds and atheist minds positively. That blew my mind. That's how powerful that that talking. I think if you're an objective, if you're objective when you speak and you're, you're trying to

be objective, you're trying to be accurate, you're trying to be, and be honest, I think you can do that. I think nowadays it's hard to find people who are just totally honest, regardless of what, you know, PC culture says, regardless of who you think you may offend, you know, just be very clear, very honest without a bias, without, what looks like an ulterior motive. And the truth is powerful. You know, I'm saying the truth is very powerful. And he, you know, I don't know all of this stuff, but I know when he speaks, he's just like, it's not his opinion. He's like, Hey, here's what everything says. No, the way he talks on this subject, he, he profits it with, listen, I'm not saying I do or I don't believe here, but what I am in, I'm very fascinated like what you say, was something that has been around

for as long as it has, has been as impactful in our society, arguably probably one of the most impactful things. It's the root of Christianity in particular, the Judeo-Christian-Western civilization. It's what the belief in in it's very unique now I'm sure I'm gonna piss people off but whatever this is true And when you look at the roots of Western society Western society which was very unique and among all societies value the individual and

believed in what we're known as we call them liberties or ineliable rights. And they said they believed that because God created man, all people were born with these rights that were bestowed upon them by their creator. So, doesn't matter if you're a king, doesn't matter if you're, you know, a ruler or a dictator or whatever, everybody has particular things that are bestowed upon them, particular rights, and they are yours. You don't derive them from anyone else, so you're born with them.

So I can speak what I wanna say. I should be able to believe what I want. I should be able to protect myself against threats. Like these are what are called rights, and they believe in the individual, and people don't realize just how powerful that philosophy is and how right that philosophy is. That is a very, that is not arguably, that is 100% the better philosophy.

Now it hasn't been expressed perfectly, obviously. I believe it to humans to distort something and fuck it up. That's right, but that philosophy is what caused Western society to elevate women to, you know, to treat everybody or to aim to treat people equally, even though it wasn't like that in the beginning. Again, that's the philosophy that pushes that forward. And you got to consider this, like, look, George Washington wins the revolution, right? He was given the throne, literally. They wanted to make him king.

And he said, no, I don't want to be king. Now any man would have said, yes, I'll take that. I'll be the king and I'll rule this. And I can run things. And I think I'm pretty fucking awesome. He said no because he believed in something much bigger than himself. And he believed in this philosophy of rights of liberty, of the individual, which was derived from these religious roots.

So it's literally the foundation of, it doesn't mean you have to be religious or anything like that. It's just important to note that why would these men give up their power, that they could have given, that they could have totally had, if they do not believe in, if it's because they believed in something much bigger than them? So that's just an important thing to know and it's a very true thing. So anyway, I'm on fire right now. I had a little bit of that lion's mane for cinematic.

That shit always, do you guys feel like that when you take it? I don't take that one as I use Chaga the most right now because of for your skin. Yeah. Is it working for you? Well, I mean, I use Chaga the most right now because of for your skin. Yeah, is it working for you? Well, I mean, I'm doing so many things right now. The one thing that I and I didn't want to bring this up and you bring it you call me out right now Because I still feel it's a little too early, but I'm noticing some real positive benefits on my psoriasis right now But the biggest thing that I've changed and I've been taking the Chaga I've been doing all my other stuff for my hormones, very consistent. The most consistent thing, or the most recent thing that I've added to the rotation

and been more consistent, did you notice that I took the Juve not too long ago? Oh, you've been doing that. So I'm every, every morning and night I'm using it. So what are you doing just like 15, 20 balls? It's naked. I'm sitting so I've got it right next to my bed. So that was the main reason is I'm doing it for my testosterone, but I'm actually seeing my serisis clean up. I'm interested. So that's what was really neat was I was doing it for the testosterone thing.

You know, that's been well known that that helps. Right, and I knew that, right? But I just hadn't put the, I hadn't put the regimen together to like test it to see if I'm seeing any benefits. And plus I believe my diet has to be somewhat consistent for me to.

Yeah, cause you're doing a lot of things. You're doing, right? You do chaga regularly, which we know that study show that helps with that with Sarai. Tonkatoly, Oshwagoda. That's all for testosterone. Then you did the fast, now you're keto. Yep.

I'm like paleo now, I should say keto. Okay. And then you're doing the light. Right. It's fucking great. You know what I really like about that? Is that you're using all the tools that you're doing the light. It's fucking great. You know what I really like about that? Is that you're using all the tools that you're just supposed to that we've learned about

since we have this show, which is great. And it's fucking working. How great is that? It is. And you know me, I'm the most probably skeptical or probably Justin and I are probably the most skeptical when it comes to things like this. And so I wasn't gonna bring it up, but since you asked.

Yes, I've been using the Chogu too. Yes, I've been seeing great benefits from all the things I'm doing. There has been, I have noticed a difference with my testosterone. I noticed a huge difference in me being consistent or inconsistent with the two. So I had a couple of days where we traveled somewhere

and I didn't have all my testosterone stuff with me and or hormones to libido stuff whatever you want to call it With me and so I notice a dip right away So I do notice that I have to be very consistent with with using that I Can't say that I've seen a huge spike on the testosterone from the juve light yet But I can say that I've seen a huge improvement on my skin in the short amount of time that I've been using and consistent. That's freaking great.

I mean, the cool thing about herbs and stuff that have been used for a long, and again, you cannot, I hate it one guy when scientists or PhDs or whatever will come out and be like, it's earball stuff, I mean, it's like, man, that shit's been around for thousands of years and been used for a long time for a reason.

It would not be hanging around this long. Like lion's mane has been used for cognitive function to improve your ability to think for thousands of years for Chinese medicine. And now we finally have studies proving that it actually does benefit the brain. How funny is that? It's always has to catch up there. How funny is that though? This thing's been used for thousands of years. It's in all these writings and stuff.

We take it and we're like, let's see if this really works. We start testing it lab and like, oh shit. Here's a cool one that I, there was a 2012 study done in Malaysia that found that consuming lion's mane mushrooms could actually regenerate damaged cells from peripheral nerve injury. So this is an injury that affects the delicate tissue between your brain and the spinal cord. That's fucking crazy. That's huge, dude.

I mean, I don't know what that, I mean, it could mean something huge, right? Because one of the things that we've still struggled with doing and stem cells are kind of cool on this, but still we don't know what's going on. Somebody becomes paralyzed or you lose feeling in something because you have nerve damage or people with neurological type disorders. That could be interesting study on something like lion's mane because it's already showing

some benefits, so. Pretty cool stuff. Wow. We have a box. Oh shit. But this is not just any box. Which one is this one? This is Justin's box. Oh, yeah, my box. Hopefully there's some good stuff. Let's see if he yeah Let's see if he ordered tampons like south. I love Justin's box. Did you get it? I don't think so. Did you you didn't get any tampons?

You don't get your or get your girl the organic ones. I Don't do any of that shopping. So let's see what's on Justin's list. Let's see what you got from Santa. That looks like a bottled alcohol problem. I hope so. Some whiskey. You're maybe. God, that is, they wrapped up mess around.

Oh, it is. Oh, look at that. Seal tight. But this is actually thrive market brand organic virgin olive oil. Gotta keep them virgin. You don't wanna get them clueled, or extracted. Beautiful, thank you Doug.

You know what, that's gonna be on my list now too, after I saw that article or that news thing that we just read and watched about the virgin oil, is one of the top ones that they fuck with and manipulate. Yeah. Like they say organic olive oil it and they mix in that cheap aspect. No, if it's organic, it's more stringent. But if it's just like extra virgin olive oil, they found that they'll test a bunch of them

and like 70% of them have like soybean oil. Right. No, I'm always into olive oil so it's good. And then we also have a thrive market brand, natural home liquid laundry detergent. Have you used this yet, Justin? No, I'm the first time using the laundry detergent. Yeah you used this yet, Justin or something? No, I'm, no, it's the first time using the laundry detergent.

Yeah, tell us when you're going through this because I'm interested in stuff that you've used already or what's new to you. Yeah, I don't know if it's had any scent to it or anything, doesn't look like it. So, free and clear, biodegradable formula. Does it come in the pod so you can put it in your mouth? Yeah, I don't think so.

Oh man, I can't do a YouTube video of this. Now I think you have really come to love Dr. Bronner's products Justin. I do. I don't know what it is, but I just like everything. I got my whole house set up with these Dr. Bronner products. So you've used the one that Doug's giving you right now. Yeah. This is the 18 and one hemp peppermint pure castille soap. Oh, that's the one I use. I take a shower. That is easy for you. Use it for body wash or is this for the body?

Body wash. Oh, okay. It smells good. I don't put it on my p-hole very often because it burns. Yeah, I wouldn't. Oh, you just look a little tingling. Yeah, it's peppermint. You know, it was super fresh.

I've done it before and it was not. Peppermint nuts. Can you try this one? I'm a concentrated. They put a ton of peppermint oil in. It'll go right in your p-hole. It's not good. Now, this is another Dr. I'm more concentrated. They put a ton of peppermint oil in it. It'll go right in your peal. It's not good. Now this is another Dr. Bronner's product.

Cinnamon all one toothpaste. You should see if we get sponsored by him. That's the one I use. If we shit, I'm like a big fan. So that's like a toothpaste. Well cinnamon. So okay, it's like the toms that I get. I've had the other version too.

So. And more Dr. Bronner's peppermint. Organic shaving soap. Yes. Jesus Christ, bro. Bro, I told you. It's all the Bronners. You've got a bone, I've already used the rest of them.

I was a shaving cream because I'm pretty picky about my shaving cream too. Well, here's the thing, it comes on like a liquid with the foam's up, so it's not. Oh, just foam up. It foams up a little bit. It's not foamy like air. It's not, yeah, but yeah. I like the foam. Oh, it looks like V right there.

It foam gets me every time. Is that G? It is organic valley G. Ooh, what do you do with G? Just then you put it on your vegetables. Yeah, yeah. Hey, one more item here wrapped up in a tight bundle. It's a P hole protector for when you show it

with Dr. Bronner's peppermint oil. A little rain cap. That is as ashwagandha. Yeah, it's actually ashwagandha. Yeah, my ashwagandha. I recognize that bottle. I recognize that bottle. Beautiful.

Tastes like shit. We're full. Oh, you know what I have my little thing. Super well. I have to take a shot of water afterwards. You are the biggest. You cannot handle bad taste. You are a weirdo.

You know what I think. I think you've oversaturated your season with all the fucking pills and powders you took for some years. Right, but as you don't even know. Well, I used to blend. Taste does not matter. You think you're a hardcore, you're not. I'm not.

I used to fucking get a blender. Obviously I'm not. No joke. Water, tuna fish, egg yolks, peanut butter, drink it. I used to do that for a way. Never would you get that. Peanut butter and tuna. Oh, that is win ever would you get a peanut butter tuna? Wrong with you. I don't fuck around guys

Seriously, I'm gonna start willing to do it. You know what it just goes to show why you're so passionate about what we talk about because I would be so angry Too if I was doing some shit like that for years. That doesn't make me angry Thanks me happy. Oh man. I forgot the question's dug. This quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-edit edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. So this is a great, by the way, she's got a great page. She travels all over the world.

Some pretty cool pictures. So this is a very, by the way, she's got a great page. She travels all over the world. Some pretty cool pictures. So this is a very good question because the answer seems obvious. But it's actually shocking. In fitness, we've been told for a long time that brown rice is better because it's got what more fiber, it's got more nutrients, white rice, they need to remove more of the rice, you know, whole or whatever the brand in order to consume it. So it's probably not as good. It's got a higher glycemic index. So it's going to affect your blood sugar better, this and that. The other, here's the real deal now. First and foremost, not a big difference if you can tolerate both,

really doesn't matter. If you have gut issues or if you have any inflammatory issues. Why is it actually better? Why is it better? And this is because a lot of people don't realize it's funny too because I've been listening to some podcast with that Carnivore guy. The guy that just heats me. And he makes a lot of honest points and that is that plants evolved with lots of predators, and plants can't run away

and they can't really defend themselves, like predators can, they don't have claws, they don't have teeth, they don't have feet. So the way that plants, one way that plants defend themselves is they start to create these compounds in them that make them hard to digest, that make them where you consume them and you get an immune reaction Lots of plants have these now if wheat is like that like if you grab wheat and just ate it

It would fuck you up pretty bad. So we've Humans have learned how to process Wheat and do all these different things to wheat so that we can digest an ancient people actually took a long time to make wheat You know that deferment and that's, and lots of plants have these things. This is why if you eat a whole bunch One of the reasons why you eat a whole bunch of raw broccoli You're more likely to have an upset stomach than if you cook the hell out of it cooking vegetables and things Breaks those things down and makes them more digestible. This is why certain foods

tend to have you know tend to more, or cause more immune problems in people. And rice is one of these things. If you have gut issues or if you have issues with digestion, you're, the odds that you'll have trouble digesting and assimilating brown rice are much higher than they are with white rice. I'm one of those people. I can have brown rice, but I can't consume a lot of it

like I can. Well, white rice doesn't bother me at all. I can eat a lot of it. It's just much easier to digest. Brown rice in the other hand, stars to bottom. The other thing too is brown rice contains compounds which are known as anti-nutrients. These compounds actually block or reduce the absorption

of certain minerals in the body and in some cases can cause mineral deficiencies, which is why in lots of countries throughout the world, especially countries that consume a lot of rice, they historically don't consume brown rice. They all consume white rice, including the old, you know, Eastern European... That was like mind-blowing for me when you talked about that like a year or two ago, I remember we covered this topic and it was just like the anti nutrient like it was so professed that this was, you know, it's definitely brown rice. The irony too, even the things that Sal did say on the positive side of brown rice too,

are very minimal. So when you talk about the low glycemic index, you talk about calories, things like that, it's actually fucking a nutrient difference. You're talking about splitting hairs. I mean, flip the label around on the back of a guy. Well, I rise to taste better anyway. They're almost exactly the same. And I believe the glycemic index difference is a couple of points. It's not nothing. Yeah, it's not like a 70 on the glycemic index and then like a 30. It's like 56 and 58, you know, it's so close. And guess what, if you have even a mild reaction to brown rice, if you have an mild intolerance to it,

your blood sugar is gonna spike like crazy anyway. Because whenever the body senses stress, the liver tends to shoot out sugar, this is why, you know, they've done these studies where they have people wearing these continual glucose monitors that measure your glucose in real time. And some people will have like a blood sugar spike when they eat like an avocado or something weird like that.

Has no carbs, no sugar whatsoever. So it's just all individual variants. And it's because they have, they might have an immune reaction to it. So brown rice may actually cause, might be worse on the glycemic index for you than white rice. The compounds in brown rice, I had to look them up because I totally forgot, are called phytates. And phytates, like phytoc acid, bind to minerals.

So like zinc, copper, iron, magnesium, niacin, calcium. And when they bind to these minerals, your body now can't utilize them. And so if you're, you know, I wouldn't worry so much about causing nutrient deficiencies if you live in a wealthy society and you're eating lots of variety of different food. But if like you have brown rice with every meal, you may be causing yourself some issues with nutrients. But again, that being said, brown rice not only is not healthier, but if I if when I recommend people

eat rice, I always recommend white rice, always, just because it's so much easier on the body, easily digestible, far less likely to cause intolerances, far less likely to cause immune reactions, doesn't have those anti-nutrient effects. And the good news is, I don't know about you guys, but I think I like to taste the white rice. Oh, way better, absolutely. Yeah, it's way better. Yeah, if don't know about you guys, but I think I like to taste the white rice. Oh, way better. That's true.

Yeah, it's way better. Yeah, if you go to these old cultures, you go to China who's been consuming rice for a long time, they don't consume brown rice. Brown rice. No, they're eating white rice. Now, you see the difference. I think the, was it enriched?

Is that what they say? White rice that's enriched or non enriched, do you know the difference? That's a throw like a training at it. Yes, so I think that's the biggest difference of like, you know, making a better choice on the white or not is getting the ones that are not enriched because what they'll do is they'll add vitamins and minerals

to it way better for you just to eat it natural in its whole state. And so I think I wanna say it's enriched is the term they use. Baby, I better check that before. Well, anytime something's enriched, that's usually, well, it might not be, I'm trying to think what's on that. But dude, I'll tell you what, man. I think it that before. Well, anytime something's in rich, that's usually what it might not be. I'm trying to think what's on that. But dude, I'll tell you what, man.

I think it's in rich. I'll tell you what, I've been, so I listen, I listen to that guy, the Carnivore Diet guy. I can't remember his name. We're gonna have him on the show, so I apologize. But he was talking about, he's talking about some of this. So I started doing more, and I've known about some of this stuff. So I've been doing more research, and it's funny. Most many times, not always, but many times.

When you have people with gut issues or inflammatory issues or autoimmune issues, they seem to do better, Dr. Sean Baker, thanks Doug. They seem to do better when they eliminate, first of all all, all grains, dairy and legumes and stuff like that. And it's usually like, they do better with like meats and maybe some green veggies, although some people respond to those too. But meats usually are okay. And that's because animals don't need to have defense mechanisms in their flesh

because they can run, they can fight, they can kill you. So plants didn't have that luxury, so they had to evolve creating these things, making them difficult to digest because if you're animals and you're eating this plant and you know, fuck that destroyed my stomach, I'm not going to go back and eat that plant again. So lots of plants have those types of things. Cooking them destroys quite a bit of it, which is again tackling the whole. That's another issue, the whole like raw vegan, you know, eat all your vegetables raw, whatever. Now you're probably better off cooking them for the most part. And that's one of the reasons. Next question is from IGNKNT14. Do you agree with some of the more popular figureheads that say simply eating more can help enhance recovery? So how many times have you guys heard this? Figure heads. So I think I know what they mean. How many, I'm sure you've heard

this in the bodybuilding world, Adam, there's no such thing as overtraining there's only under eating. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? You think that's what she said. Oh, figure meaning like figure competitors. No, figure heads is like somebody that represents like someone who's authority in favor. So they equate recovery to food.

Oh, you've never heard that? No. Have you heard that right, Adam? Yeah, absolutely. That's very common. Yeah, I'm gonna piss you off. It's funny. No, one of the things I remember seeing a lot of

when I was first getting into it is that people posting videos, if there's no such thing as overtraining, the idea of overtraining is overrated and you're just under eating, you're not eating enough. That's like, so that's been drilled into it. And here's the thing, there's, there is some truth to that. A lot of people probably do train too hard

and not consume enough food. And so that, if your goal is to gain in big, that you may be missing on nutrients or getting enough calories. I went through this as a young boy growing up trying to build muscle. I couldn't keep up with the amount of calories that my body was burning.

So therefore I need to eat more. But that is not like it. That's too much of an overarching statement to just say. Super simple. Yeah, no, it's way more complex than that. And in more cases than not, it's wrong, right? That with somebody is, doesn't need to just eat more foods and they can keep continuing to train that.

No, I mean, you can definitely eat too little and inhibit your body's ability to recover. But if you're adequately fed and your training is wrong because you're training too hard or too frequently or just too much volume for your body at that particular moment to handle, simply throwing more food in your mouth won't help very much or at all. In fact, you're probably gonna get fat. And a lot of the people that I've known

that have said this to me, were those kind of people who go these crazy bulks. And they're like, no, man, I just eat more food and it's like they're 30% body fat. And it's like, well, I see what's happening with all this extra food that you're eating. And it's not muscle that you're gaining. It's body fat.

Food plays a massive role. The quantity of food and the calories that you're eating, and it's not muscle that you're gaining, it's body fat. Food plays a massive role. The quantity of food and the calories that you eat in the amount of macro nutrients is important, but so is, you know, what you're eating in your training. Your training is a big part. I mean, what would you guys say is one of the reasons why people have issues with recovery? You could definitely see that's why this statement is tough, and I definitely don't like the overgeneralization of saying that that's all you need to do because There are some people that I think suffer with this right so if you're trying to you know build or I I've seen this more

Common with like female competitors where they're so used to these hard crash diets where they're starving their body of nutrients And they're sore all the time too So that could be a combination of both one, them needing more adequate rest or them overtraining their bodies, those that could be one factor. And then another factor could also be that they're under consuming nutrients. So they're under feeding the body and they're also overtraining. So the combination of that's causing this major plateau. Yeah, I've seen a lot of people get, cause it's like the perfect storm, right?

When especially pre-contest, cause your training volume is through the roof, you're eating very little. It's pretty common for people to get sick, right? Before a contest or right after a contest? Very, very common, very, very common. I think out of all my shows, 50% of them, I got sick either leading right into the show

or right after the show. For sure. Just from the over just pushing your body. Yeah, because there's no doubt in my mind. I mean, and I've expressed this many times, competing is not healthy for the body, especially when you get into those final two weeks. I'm 100% depriving my body of the nutrients

that it wants or needs. I mean, I'm trying to be catabolic, right? So if you're on a mission to be catabolic for two, three, four weeks in on straight, and then on top of that, training the body really hard, so you're trying to maintain that volume. So you're sending that signal to the body to hang onto that muscle that you work so hard to build over the past six months or whatever it was. So yeah, no, those signals are conflicting a bit when you're hitting the gym that hard

and then also restricting calories. It's kind of a recipe for disaster for sure. Here's something else that, and I've said this before, but I just wanna make clear that recovery does not mean adaptation. Okay, so recovering adaptation can be two separate things. And I wanna say that because recovering is healing

from something. Adaptation is when your body is trying to make itself stronger so that stress next time. It's the same address as for it. Yes, it's trying to overcompensate or supercompensate. So when you're working out, you're causing damage to your muscle and recovery starts to happen, but you've also sent a signal to your body that tells it to adapt and build muscle. Both those signals, although they happen congruently and they happen together, are not

the same, which is why I think people confuse them to be the same, because they happen kind of at the same time. I'm recovering, but I'm also building, but they are different. We do know, we have studies that show that after a heavy workout, that muscle building signal that we measure through something called protein synthesis or muscle protein synthesis, peaks at about 24, 48, maybe 72 hours. So if you hit your legs really, really, really hard on Monday, by on Wednesday, that muscle building adaptation signal is at its peak, but you still may be sore on Thursday and

Friday. And that signal, that muscle building signal, drops very fat. After it peaks, it starts to go down very, very quickly. So you may still be recovering Friday and Saturday because you overdid it and you're thinking, oh, I'm still sore. Therefore, I'm still building muscle. Nope. That muscle building signal not only did it fall after Wednesday, but now it's below baseline because your body will not build more muscle unless it thinks it needs to. And if you're no longer sending that muscle building signal, even if you're recovering,

your body has no need to have you be bigger and stronger. Remember that cost more energy, it costs more calories. I like that you went this direction too because this is something that I think for sure was a myth that I fell for for so many years. And I know I taught a lot of people the wrong way, because I was always under this impression of chasing this soreness. I always looked at the process of building muscle looked like this. You go into the gym, and I used to even say this, like, you don't build muscle outside

the gym. You don't build muscle inside the gym. You do, I mean, you don't build muscle inside the gym. You go inside the gym, you tear and break down. And then when you go home, you rest and you recover. And that's when you grow and you build muscle. And there's some truth to that. But that was my truth. And I didn't take into consideration the process of adaptation and how important that signal

was to the whole process of continuing to grow. And so I was completely focused on always trying to break down as much as I could and then trying to feed the body as much as I could to grow. And that's where this myth has been perpetuated from is this idea of we tear as much as we can, we destroy as much as we can, the gym,

and then we go home and we rest as well as we can and we feed as much as we can. And that's going to optimize the most amount of money. The diminishing returns at that point. You're playing catch up to being sore, and it's only one metric regarding recovery anyway. So to negate the fact that you could be training more efficiently and manipulate your intensity

and have more energy and manipulate your intensity and have more energy going into your next workout. I mean, that's like, we're talking about dinosaurs. It's so funny, there were so many, there were signals and signs of that recovering adaptation were separate so many times throughout my fitness career. I didn't really put it together until much later, but I remember one instance in particular

I when I used to go to the gym so you know I've been working out in gyms since I was 14 15 years old and when I was about 16 and 17 I was really really really into it I was dedicated. I want to build muscle and I bought into this theory or dogma that it was recovery. You needed to recover to build muscle. That was what it was all about. And I didn't understand anything about adaptation. I thought it was the healing process.

So I'll never forget, I used to go to the gym and I had hammered the shit out of myself. I mean, I do every high intensity technique. You could imagine that I could read about in magazines, everything from partial reps to supersets and force reps and all this crazy stuff. And then what I would do is, if I wasn't lifting weights, I was not moving like purposely.

I'd be like, I need to recover. I don't want to compromise my recovery with any other activity. And I'll never forget. I got a, I got myself a BMX bike and it's me and my cousin, my cousin got a BMX bike and he's like, dude Let's go right up in the hills. It'll be super fun And so I said sure I'll get one too and I'll never forget this

I don't remember what day it was but I had worked out my biceps really really hard and they were source fuck And so I thought to myself like I'm gonna rest my arms so that they grow But then my cousin's like, dude, let's go hang out. Let's go, you know, ride our bikes and ride up in the hills this and that. So the day after and the next few days after, we rode our BMX bikes up in the hills. And at this time, I was really practicing my bunny hops and trying to do all these moves, which required me to jerk up on my bar really hard with my arms. And I remember after each day, because we would do this for hours, we'd be out for three, four hours. I remember coming home and I'd be like, kind of crapped out like, fuck man, I've been pulling up on that handlebar this whole time, like I totally wasted that workout, because my biceps are never going to be able to recover. And I used to be religious about measuring my arms.

When I was doing that with the bike and lifting weights, my arms grew like, I was like a quarter inch or something like overnight, I remember thinking like, there's no way it could be the bike. It had to be something else, because there's no way I'm, you know, compromising my recovery, but that was just a sign to show me that, and I didn't understand it then that,

you can send these muscle building adaptation signals, even while you are recovering, and in fact now that we have learned is, movement actually facilitates recovery. So if you're in the state where you're having a tough time recovering and you're pushing your body to the limit, sometimes you do need rest, but sometimes what you need is just some movement, just do some movement. That's why we do trigger sessions in maps and a ball like move the muscle, stretch the muscle, do mobility work, whatever. You'll

actually get more muscle out of it You better results out of it and you may find yourself actually recovering faster as a result Next question is from beach cruiser 83 Myth or fact that testosterone is stored in the legs and that a person doing squats and deadlifts will have more testosterone and Games and someone I love this one you wanted this question I wanted this and someone who I want to this question. Salva did not want this question, but I said we have to talk about this because there is something that I've heard for a very long time and people used to say this over. This is kind of like the telephone.

We're a little bit of truth or information gets shared by somebody and then they get distorted over time and now it's to the point where people think that testosterone is stored in your legs. So it is kind of funny, but I do know where this has come from, and I also think this is grossly overplayed and sold about squats and deadlifts, and that's that we get this spike in growth hormone. Now they've done studies to show that there's some truth to this, but it's so minimal, and it's not going to be enough of growth hormone factor that all of a sudden you grow. Yeah.

The bottom line is that when we squat and when we deadlift, it is the best compound movements that we can possibly do because it incorporates the entire body. And so the overall gain of building muscle is going to be significant in comparison to any other exercise. So if you eliminate squatting and deadlifting, you're eliminating two of the biggest muscle building exercises that you could possibly do. That is the biggest factor. It's not that, oh, when you do squats, which you will hear this. I've read articles in T-Nation.

I've seen guys do stuff on this before where they talk about the growth hormone factor that gets spiked. It spikes the testosterone. It does. It does spike it, but it's so insignificant that that's not what makes squatting and deadlifting so beneficial, what makes it so beneficial are all the other factors of having to complete that movement. So there's a couple of things on this that I want to touch on.

First and foremost, exercise, resistance training in general does raise or does cause spikes in these, you know, what you want to call anabolic hormones, growth hormone, entestosterone. And some exercises cause a bigger spike than other exercises. For example, like we're talking about, you go do a barbell squat, you're going to get a bigger spike in growth hormone. And I think you want a leg extension or a barbell curl. Now, is that spike building muscle or more muscle for you? In significant amount, if at all, maybe over the course of 30 years

in my add up to a pound of muscle. I think what it's doing is it's showing you that the exercise you're doing is producing this, what I consider systemic muscle building signal. And that's, and the result of that is a spike in testosterone growth hormone. So what I mean by that is, when you lift weights, and this is true, they've done studies on this.

I see where you go with this. When you lift weights, you have a localized muscle building effect, which is obvious, that's the target muscle. So if I do a curl, obviously the muscle that I'm mainly sending the muscle building signal to is the bicep. But there is a systemic muscle building effect that happens throughout the whole body. And all exercises are not equal. Some exercises cause a more a larger systemic effect. And it's probably tied to the amount of muscles that are being active but there's other factors the amount of tension and the amount of weight that you're using and

whether it's a barbell versus a CNS activation is contributing all that stuff. So I think and the reason I know where this is coming from is because they've they've you've heard this before if you do heavy squats your arms will grow faster this before. If you do heavy squats, your arms will grow faster. You know, if you do heavy dead lifts, your, you know, your shoulders will grow faster. That's true. And that's true, even though you're not directly, because look, let's be honest,

like when I'm doing a squat, I'm not really hitting my biceps, you know, maybe because I'm holding the bar and I'm tens and all that stuff. But if I mimic that tension, you know, on my bicep with something else, it wouldn't produce the same muscle building effect. And it's because these big movements cause not only a local muscle building effect

for the target muscles, which the prime movers in a barbell squat, for example, the quads, hamstrings, the glutes, and you're getting some low back involvement as well. But there's also this larger systemic muscle building effect, which then carries over to the rest of the body. So now what you're noticing is, you know, I neglected my legs for,

you know, you'll hear people saying this. I never hit my legs, I neglected my legs all the time. All of a sudden, now that I'm hitting my legs, all of a sudden my bench press is going up, my overhead press is going up, and everything else seems to be. And so why we switched over to total body workouts and not splits. Thank you. Thank you.

So, that is a great point because one of the main reasons why we advocate for full body type workouts is the frequency, right, training more frequently, but it's also this other thing that we haven't really talked much about, which is this systemic muscle building effect. And when you work the whole body, you're probably causing more of this overall muscle building effect in the body. Well, certainly you are. And going to Justin's point, probably arguably the most beneficial thing is the CNS benefits

that you get, which ultimately in turn will help you build more muscle everywhere in your body. So think of it this way. Somebody who does a squat, and you've gave the analogy, Sal, which I love the analogy of think of your C&S like your amplifier, think of your muscles as your speakers, and think of you doing a squat

versus a leg extension is the difference of you trying to tweak your speakers versus you trying to tweak or fine tune or upgrade your amplifier, right? So you squatting is investing in getting a better amplifier. You doing leg extensions is like you getting better speakers which one of them is gonna create better sound overall. That's right. 100% the amplifier is going to...

Anybody who knows sound knows that. Right, that understands that you're going to get way more from a better amplifier than you, than you ever can out of just upgrading your speaker. So, so yeah, it's a myth testosterone is not stored in the legs. It's created by your testes and your brain. And hitting your legs doesn't release more testosterone from your legs. It just, when you do these big exercises,

you cause a systemic muscle building effect. Next up is the Lesniac Vera. What is your opinion on clean meat? Meat that is grown in a lab from animal cells. Will you eat it when it's available? Fuck no bro. When are we going to learn a lesson? Never do. I don't care how good a taste looks that just, I mean, if we were, if we had to, like we're gonna die, like the apocalypse was coming in shit and like, I won't even need a toe-forky. It's a toe-forky.

It's like a toe-food turkey. It's like a real thing. Is that a real thing? Is that a real thing? Yeah, come on bro, go ahead. You gotta go in the vegan processed food, like freezer section, when they're trying to make like hot dogs and shit out of like,

I look at the back of those boxes and it's like 50 million ingredients and it's supposed to be healthy for the fridge. This can't be imagine at like the cafeteria, like you want this mystery meat? You know, like, the scary part is if we really think about it and I'm sure that's why she asked this question,

where science is now, you could probably make this fake total artificial meat taste like the best bite of filet mignon you've ever had in your life. Well, so that's what there's the argument right there. It's like, so like if you didn't tell me, right? Side by side test, and you cut something that was engineered to, for the perfect flavor profile,

as that medium perfectly cut meat or cooked meat of flame and you know. It's not alive. You don't know that? Oh, it's living cells. They'll save living cells. Well, I don't know, man. Like going through the process of being alive

and then, you know, like, there's gotta be a disconnect. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of like positive marketing that you can do with this. Like number one, we're saving the cash. We're not killing animals. And that's number one. Number two, number two, we're saving the environment, right? Cause we're growing in a lab.

Number three, it's cheaper. Number four, it takes up less space and it's less of a carbon footprint and all these other things. And I get all that. I understand all that. Here's the problem. The problem is, if we were to all of the things that we understand about the universe, all the complex things that we know, the most complex thing that we, by far, still don't know a lot about, is the brain. The second most complex thing that we think we know a lot about, but in reality, we actually, there's a lot we don't know about, is metabolism, in particular, mammalian metabolism. In fact, all animals and plants, the way they convert food into energy,

is fucking fascinating, and we know a lot about it, but there's a lot we don't know. There's a lot we don't know about human metabolism. And we pretend like we do, and so when scientists are like, oh, these are stem cells, we're going to grow these into meat. You're going to eat these. It's no different. Right. You're that is a level of bullshit. They say that before. Bullshit. Spiriting, you know, and having like these, these labs done ahead of time to to claim that. Bro, that is a, that is a level of cockiness that has gotten mankind in the trouble forever, where we think we know everything. Oh no, it's not a problem. We got to feed it to the vegans.

Feed it to the vegans, let me know in 20 years. It's like, no, I wouldn't do it. I look, I will say this, I'm not anti-science, by the way, but there is definitely this scientific worship that we start to get into, especially in modern times and modern Western societies where it's all about science that we trust 100%. We don't question anything, and yeah, you know, anything that's science to say we're going to believe the thing is they don't know what they don't know, and when it comes to human metabolism, again, look, I'll tell you something right now, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 10 years ago, you know, scientists in that study human metabolism and all that stuff and biology had very little knowledge on the microbiome of the gut.

10 years ago, nobody was talking about this shit 10 years ago, except for people like Paul Check or whatever, but even they didn't know the science behind it. All of a sudden, now we're learning that the microbiome, holy shit, that's really important. Not only is it really important, but it's so important that without it, you're gonna die. Oh, it influences your moods, it influences your newer transmitter production.

It, oh, you can pass it on to other people and we can do, you know, fecal transplants with animals and change their behavior and do all this. And that's just now. Now, you know, fecal transplants with animals and change their behavior and do all this. And that's just now. Now you go back to the iceberg. 10 years, 10, 15 years ago, they would have told you they know everything about food.

They know what vitamins, minerals, nutrients, proteins, fats, carbohydrates. You can't tell me that we're gonna grow meat today with what we know about metabolism today. That is gonna be exactly the same as meat or what, maybe it is exactly the same based on the parameters that we know to look at. Like we know to look at protein fat, carbs, nutrients.

So now we can say, oh yeah, they're identical, but that's because we don't know to look at these other things that we may discover later on. I do think at some point, science will get to the point where we can create and make our own food and it'll be absolutely perfect, but I think we're behind, obviously, for sure, there's so many questions when it comes to nutrition and food that we're still learning. Fuck, I mean, our show wouldn't exist

if we knew everything about it. I mean, we constantly are bringing new things to light in terms of how nutrition affects the body and what food does to the body, and all these weird things that we're starting to learn, you know, now, now, man, I'd stay away from lab meat. It's funny to frank in meat. So what they actually did, they actually grew steak

in a lab, and the reason why it's not commercial is well, two reasons. Number one, it tastes like shit. So they actually gave it to the scientists to try, and all of them were like, this is gross. So it didn't taste like beef or whatever, you know, they grew it from the is gross. It didn't taste like B for whatever, you know, they grew it from the stem cells. It didn't taste the same was gross.

And number two, I think it cost them something like $7,000 to grow one steak. Yeah, because the technology is just so- Super efficient, right? So it's so rude to, you know, compared to where it could be in the future. But that's, here's- Let's just feed everybody crickets.

Yeah, it's like it. At least it's good for the environment. Well, I would eat that before I ate that, for sure. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, no, I would 100% eat some processed bugs before I would eat some fake fake ass meat. I'm serious. And I'm like, was not pro the fucking cricket chips you guys were eating, but if it was like one or the other,

for sure I'm eating cricket chips over fake ass meat. Well, look, here's what you're condemned. Here's what scientists are competing against. Scientists are, you look at modern biology, modern science, and how they're really studying the body and starting to understand it. It's not that long. It's not that old. What is it? Like less than a hundred years maybe or a hundred years? You know, germ theory hasn't been that long, that around that long eve. And you know what I mean? Where we've discovered all these different things. So, we're contending what science is, you know,

on these things is maybe 100 years old. And the last, you know, 20 or 30 years has really started to learn a few things. That is competing with millions of years of evolution. You know, where we evolved in our environment and we co-evolved with our food. In other words, we evolved to be able to consume certain things, where we evolved in our environment and we co-evolved with our food. In other words, we evolved to be able to consume certain things, our food evolved to be able to be consumed

and all these other things start to happen where, you know, we're competing with millions of years and we think, you know, our hundred years of knowledge, it's just arrogant. We're so arrogant that we're like, oh yeah, we figured out nutrition. Here's some, you know, I went to, what gym was it that we were at?

City sport when we walked in and we were talking to the guy. Yeah. And I look in their case of like protein powders and stuff and know what they had in there. Soil and oh they did. They're selling in the gym now, dude. That's not good. Soil and the fucking drink this and never eat food and you'll be absolutely fine, which I would never need. City sport never dropped points in my right. They were up there. I was like, you know, right next to the rip force. Yeah, you do. I can't believe that. You guys are down there with planet fitness now.

Come on, guys. Just like that. Get your shit together. Eat real meat. You gotta kill it first. It's gotta be alive first. Supressive. So check this out.

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