Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 697: Kyle Kingsbury- Onnit's Director of Human Optimization

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Kyle is a great dude, very self-aware, confident, intelligent dude. Interesting history. We always have a good time talking to the guy. You know, we first met Kyle. How long ago was it that we met Kyle? Two years ago. Was about two years ago. He came into our interview. He used to us through our boy Justin Brink. That's right. And we had a great time with him and we, you know, immediately

Starting point is 00:00:33 hit it off with them, invited him to come with us to Paleo FX. And, you know, it's funny because Kyle kind of represents that mentality where, you know, you just don't, don't worry about, you know, the things you can't control in life and try to control the things you can. And so he seems really common relaxed when things seem to be difficult for him but it always seems to work out. And now he's this, what is he,

Starting point is 00:00:56 the director of human optimization at on it through the series of events that introduced him to Aubrey Marcus who is the CEO of the company. And he, you know, he's doing a great job over that. We really enjoy meeting with this guy that he showed us tremendous hospitality here at Austin. And we had a great conversation in this podcast where we interviewed him. Now, you can find Kyle on the Onet podcast. He actually hosts the Onet podcast. We also talked a lot about the heat brought it up first and then our sponsor brain FM.

Starting point is 00:01:30 So and we we haven't talked about brain FM in our show in a long time and I don't know if a lot of people know where to go find that. Oh, yeah, that's a that's a product that we all can actually use it last night. I put on some I use on the flight over here. I use it all time. Yeah. Um, so we're not really necessarily sponsored by brain FM, but we are, we do have our affiliate with them. And if you want to get a, or try out some of the products, you go to brain.fm, forward slash, mind pump. In fact, I believe you get a discount if you use that code. Yeah. Um, so again, Kyle Kingsbury, you can find them on Instagram and Twitter at King's Boo K-I-N-G-S-B-U. You can find the on-it Twitter and Instagram pages at onit and of course onit.com. So without any further ado, here we are interviewing our good friend Kyle Kingsbury. Hey, you know it's a special day today.

Starting point is 00:02:21 Do you guys know this? No. It's a special day today, Justin. Oh, good? No. It's a special day today, Justin. Oh, good notes. This guy was not even gonna say it's good. You weren't even gonna tell everybody that it's your last. It's your birthday? No, not yet telling me.

Starting point is 00:02:32 Oh my God, bro. We missed the birthday tickles that we were supposed to do in the morning. We wake you up in the morning, I'll cuddly with your tinnitus. I'll inspecting like, you know, special pancakes. Yeah. Goddamn, man. Happy birthday, buddy. I'll do turning today

Starting point is 00:02:46 38 38 old ass fucking old dude. You can even get him a good coffee guys bottom of fucking Starbucks because it was free Got him a fucking free cold Birthday tiggles tonight dude sure you the birthday tickles and jiggles salt man birthday jiggles and tickles They take us tonight, dude, for sure. You need the birthday tickles and jiggles. I'm sure you'll solve that. Birthday jiggles and tickles. Shake it. Shake it.

Starting point is 00:03:06 Real quick. Oh, have you seen me later? So what's up, Kyle? What's up? How you doing, brother? I'm doing fucking phenomenal. I want to hear about your adventure here on it. I mean, it's been a short period since you've been here

Starting point is 00:03:16 and you're just fucking crushing it, man. It's been a five month rocket ship ride. It's been absolutely phenomenal. Before I took the job, I didn't know what to expect. I was like, man, all right, cool. I'll get the hosting on a podcast. That's something I'm cool with into my wheelhouse. And like, well, we want you to work on product development.

Starting point is 00:03:33 I'm like, all right, cool. I know supplements. And they're like, hey, we're working on food. We want you to help develop keto recipes and shit like that. So it's like, fuck yeah, man, I'm in. And then, you know, we want you to continue to learn shit and I'm into biohacks and all the weird stuff like Greenfield, so really been diving deeper

Starting point is 00:03:48 and going down that rabbit hole. And then as I was joking with, and we're complaining with you guys earlier, there's a lot of fucking trolls out there in the world that they won't add. It doesn't matter how much science supports it, they're gonna be like, look at this fucking clown, he's gonna zap his brain.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Now, before we get into that, because I do wanna get in, I think that's absolutely hilarious. You, you're very self-aware guy, super, super confident, and you're one of these people that lives, and correct me if I'm wrong, you live kind of by this life philosophy where you do your best, and then you, you're just, the universe kind of provides, and things happen for you, and it just works out that way,

Starting point is 00:04:23 and you're very comfortable with that. And you exemplify that. We hung out with you, I think it was at PaleoFX. And you were with, I was bringing a fam at the time, some stuff happened, and then, I mean, it's like it all kind of worked out for you. It's almost like your philosophy fucking works. And you're an example of that.

Starting point is 00:04:40 Like you, you're Aubrey and then boom, now you're working it on. Then it's all worked out for you. You uprooted and moved out of state. And and then wasn't even a month later before you were moving moving again, right? Well, we moved to Vegas when I was going to be podcasting and with Brain FM as a sponsor. Right. And we were there for four months, you know, and it was funny because I admit Aubrey,

Starting point is 00:04:59 you know, you guys let me be dude on the couch. You provided a space for me. So thank you very much gentlemen in a very, very indirect way, but very direct at the same time. We like your bro. It wasn't a favorite job here. It wasn't a favorite. We like your company.

Starting point is 00:05:12 Yeah, man. I had we had a fucking boy there for a minute. I was the one. Yeah, I was the fool boy. That's right. That's right. You're after our podcast. You're a little like boy shorts.

Starting point is 00:05:22 I vividly remember. I told the fucking greatest dinner I've ever had. I told Aubrey that yesterday. I like it. And he goes, he goes, whoa, what does that say about you if you weren't coming to us? No, we can't block you.

Starting point is 00:05:33 Oh, no, we can skip a beat. We're just fine with it. He's kept rolling. I recognize it. Yeah. I'm in. It's a good deal. But yeah, you know, it's one of those things

Starting point is 00:05:42 where it's never like, oh, I have complete faith and trust that everything will work out all the fucking time. Nobody does. There's always question marks, you know? And I kept getting this feeling from BrainFM that they didn't quite realize how long it takes to grow a podcast, you know?

Starting point is 00:05:56 And we don't need to go into them too much because I have nothing but gratitude for them. And in the end, they provided finances for me to learn how to podcast. And I was able to return the favor by getting them on different shows, got them on Greenfields, got them on yours, helped the world understand that they have

Starting point is 00:06:13 a phenomenal product that works. I still fucking use their product. Yeah, they're good. It's excellent. But I got canned in the airport on a flight to Austin to fucking interview with Aubrey. Bro, this is a great, that's what I'm saying. It's such a crazy story.

Starting point is 00:06:26 And I, right then, I had nothing saved. I had put all my money into the podcast. We just got a Prius so I could drive to places like Ben Greenfield and Spokane, a thousand miles each direction. I'm listening to Audible and fucking podcasts the whole way, driving out to LA, shit like that. You know, I bought a new computer for work. And I didn't have money saved to have a fucking U-Haul to get

Starting point is 00:06:50 me back to my mom's garage. You know what I'm saying? So at that point, I realized like, hey, you know, who knows of this on a single pan out? I don't know how it's going to work out. So without trying to figure out every fucking variable, which inevitably leads you to only to worry and panic, it's like the only option I have is to meditate. So I fucking meditated hard, hardcore meditation for four hours on that flight with brain of them, ironically. And when I got off the plane, I felt fucking better than I had before I got the news. Wow. And I was floating, man. I felt fucking great. Hit it off with, and you know, picked his brain on what the job would entail.

Starting point is 00:07:31 It was more, far more than I ever could. So he just straight offered a job. The very first time you guys met, he had offered me the potential to work for on it prior to me coming out there. And then as I wanted to start, you know, is that when you guys met at Paleo? Was that when that started? Yeah, we, you know, we that when you guys met at Paleo? Was that when that started?

Starting point is 00:07:45 Yeah, we, we, we hit it off at Paleo, but, you know, there's a lot of other people around that kind of stuff. We ended up sharing, uh, there's nothing random, no random events. We shared a flight back to Vegas from Austin, where it was me, him and John Wolf, and the three of us sat next to each other

Starting point is 00:07:59 and really hit it off. We talked about, you know, diet, nutrition, health and wellness, ketogenic diet, the pros and cons, all the different types of strength training, mixed martial arts, plant medicines, like ayahuasca and psilocybin, and just went down the rabbit hole on fucking everything. And it was funny because he had mentioned, hey, I've been looking for a guy like you to have an on it. And it almost seemed like, yeah, sure. But as he explained it, it was really working on his book on the day that's coming out

Starting point is 00:08:31 April 17th. Like, he would spend 16 hours in the fucking hole at his house, not even answering his phone, not looking at it. And at that time, there's nobody on it who kind of understands all the pieces. And it doesn't mean I'm an expert in everything, but I do understand a lot of what's going on there from the training standpoint to the food that we're integrating into it and the supplementation and social media aspect and the marketing aspect.

Starting point is 00:08:54 So really there was a prime fit for me. You know, and we hit it off. Obviously I fucking love the guy. I've been a fan of his for years. And he was like, you know, explaining the job. And I'm like, this sounds better than I ever could have hoped for. And it off. Obviously I fucking love the guy. I've been a fan of his for years. And he was like, you know, explaining the job. And I'm like, this sounds better than I ever could have hoped for. And it is. It truly is. But he asked, you know, when could you start? And I just started cracking up. And I was like, man, you never guess what just happened. And he was like, fuck, dude, you're right. I never would have fucking guessed it. I couldn't,

Starting point is 00:09:22 I couldn't tell if my life depended on it that's something that serious had just happened to you because I wasn't showing it and it wasn't that I was hiding it, I truly wasn't bodying. Just go with the flow, man. Something good will happen and I can just relax and trust in it and know like whatever's revealed itself.

Starting point is 00:09:39 Yeah, it's really just this concept of, if it's in my control, then I'll work on it. If it's out of my control, then I have to let go and surrender to it and just be fucking me. That's the attitude that I'm talking about that you exemplify so well. I still remember that night, dude. Do you remember we were on, you guys went separate ways, right? That's what you walked over.

Starting point is 00:09:59 You said you'd buy to us. You said, I'm going to go see if I can sit next to Aubrey and go talk to Aubrey. You knuckles me, then you headed over there. And then you guys were taking off. I think that's where you guys were taking off the LA or Vegas. You were going to Vegas. We were all we were all leaving we were leaving from Payloff. Yeah, you saw me in my giant pink unicorn sweater. Yes. It's like, is this fucking giant? Pink unicorn. No, but I mean, that's that's a lot. And you you tell the story. There's a story that Eckhart totally tells in a new earth. The is that so story and I've heard you repeat that it's what my

Starting point is 00:10:30 all-time favorite if you wouldn't mind sharing a little bit of that with our audience because I feel like that's your philosophy and if you really sport a guide you exemplify the cracks me up because you're so calm about it. Well, you know, you know, I don't I don't know this verbatim. I've listened this book 12 times now unottable and I Suggested people to read it actually rather than listen to it. He has a very Monotone soft like he'll allow you to sleep if you're not used to it, you know, but You know, he says that that he talks about the great Zen master The is that so guy, you know, and this

Starting point is 00:11:03 The town's people come running up to him and they're like, hey, so and so, so and so, your son, he, uh, he fell off a horse and he broke his leg. It's terrible. He can't walk now. They broke his leg. It's terrible. And he's like, is that so? And so he sees the kid and then the kids in the hospital, he's got a thing on his leg. And then the next day the army shows up, the military and they're like, hey, we're drafting your son, he's going to war, where he and Evolue will die. But now he can't go because his legs broken. So where's it going?

Starting point is 00:11:32 Oh, this is amazing, he couldn't go. It's a miracle, yeah. It's a miracle, yeah, is that so. And it just goes on and on. And this is always his take, is that so? Because we don't know what's gonna happen in the now. We only know what happens in hindsight, how that out right and so many so often in our lives When we're in the shit of something and we're like this fucking sucks. I hate it

Starting point is 00:11:53 You look back on that and stress is the stimulus for growth the challenges we have or what help us move on to become better people and without those things We're not gonna fucking level up if we lived in a fucking utopia, like Aubrey says, how shitty would this game be if there were no challenges? There were no stressors. If we just fucking partied and fucked all day and ate and there was unlimited psychedelics and there wasn't a down-regulation so you could be high all day every day.

Starting point is 00:12:20 There's no growth there, right? And the beauty of life is there's no limit to the amount of stressors we get. They're always gonna come at us from every fucking angle. There's always something new, and it doesn't matter where you're at. You could have $10 million in the bank. The stock market's gonna crash,

Starting point is 00:12:38 you're gonna lose money in your investments. There's always gonna be panic somewhere. It's how you react and how you deal with that in the moment that allows you to have peace on the day to day because it's always gonna be panic somewhere. It's how you react and how you deal with that in the moment that allows you to have peace on the day to day. Because it's always shifting. Now you're the, you know, you have a family, wife and son, beautiful family.

Starting point is 00:12:53 And you're the breadwinner, right? You're the sole provider. And you're going through these transitions. You're going from, you know, pro MMA fighter to, you know, this next job, but you can believe in yourself, but then you lose that one, you go do something else and that changes, and you've had to move a couple times now

Starting point is 00:13:09 to where you're in this position now, where I think you're in a position that you deserve to be in, that kind of realizes your talent. But during this period of time, and I know what it's like to be, I was married for 15 years, I know how challenging you can be

Starting point is 00:13:20 when you have a partner that doesn't firmly and almost blindly just believe in you. It's very difficult when you go through those challenges. What is that like for you and your wife? How is she in terms of supporting you in that particular way? Is that challenging or is she kind of like, I trust I believe in you?

Starting point is 00:13:35 Well, there's no doubt it's been stressful. I mean, just moving alone is one of the great stressors. And to move twice in one year, with a two and a half year old, also want to fucking life's great stressors and to move twice in one year with a two and a half year old, also want to fucking life's great stressors. Right. And according to everyone, maybe you guys can clue me in just in itself. Everyone I've talked to unfortunately says that three is worse than two.

Starting point is 00:13:55 It is. So, three is the worst. So we got that information, brother. We got that going for us coming up real quick, you know, Bear turns three in May. It's been a hell of a ride looking back on 2017, but the truth is, at every step of the way, Tosh has had trust and faith that it'll work out, and even when it was hard, and maybe harder for her at times, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:17 because she is full-time mom, she has to deal with, you know, in Vegas, we had, that's where she's from. We had her family there, in California, that's where I'm from, we had my family there here, in Vegas, we had, that's where she's from. We had her family there. In California, that's where I'm from. We had my family there here in Austin. We don't have family. So there's a lot to that, you know, and, and we, we tried like urban sitter and we fucking hire like a chick with five stars across the board. And, and she was horrible. She fucking bounced out, hella quick. She's like, okay, buy and left. And then bear wouldn't talk to us. He was a violent for four fucking hours.

Starting point is 00:14:45 Oh, that's a violent. And I've never seen him like that. Now, trust me. People that aren't family, dude, it's a tough man. It's really tough. So, but looking at all that shit, is it worth it? Yeah. Has it panned out?

Starting point is 00:14:58 Fuck yeah. And are we in a great spot right now? Like, there's no question, you know? And with all that, things take time with anything and we've met some other great families out here. We've become really close with Alex Rybchinsky and his wife, Sarah. They have a little daughter named Ari

Starting point is 00:15:16 who's really close to bear who absolutely loves him. And, you know, Cal and Peyton, I met doing these vitamin IV pushes with Lance Armstrong and Tim Ferris, name drop, name drop. And those are just dope shit though, you know, like that's the kind of stuff that I get to do it on it. We have some of the greatest athletes and thought leaders of all time coming through the doors and Aubrey is like, Carl, you're going to sit with these guys and do this because I'm busy, you know, and it's like, and it's dope that he is the confidence in me to be the front man for on it,

Starting point is 00:15:46 but then also to help build those relationships with these people. And then from there, you know, we met John Calhan, who's a phenomenal guy, has an amazing family and three kids and lives here in Austin, and Bear absolutely loves them. So are we getting to network and meet other families

Starting point is 00:16:02 and people, because you guys know with kids, I got plenty of friends that don't have kids and they're amazing friends. It doesn't disqualify you. Like, oh, you don't have kids yet. I'm not gonna hang with Adam. It's like, that's not the case at all. But when it comes to inviting people to do stuff

Starting point is 00:16:16 or this and that, it's different when you have kids. And the parents, the other parents fucking know that. So it's refreshing when you do have some family friends that can act like that and say like, hey man, you know, without you asking, why don't you drop bear off and go on a date, shit like that, that's special to have that in a place where we don't have any blood relatives and family.

Starting point is 00:16:39 And so like everything. I feel like you attract that though. You know what I'm saying? I feel like you have the... Everything we've needed has been provided. It takes a little longer for some shit to come to fruition, but yeah, that's really what it boils down to is like,

Starting point is 00:16:52 just to know, hey, if these are things that we need in life, we'll find a way to attract those in our life. And it's not, you know, oh, the secret, this guy's gonna fucking sit and meditate on it and show up, ping. But in some way, in some way, it is that. In some way, it is something I focus on. I focus on it, yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:09 It's all focus on this thing. And we will fucking navigate to find it, you know. Well, it's been the case through and through time and time and again, and I firmly believe in it. There's a lot of work that you're doing behind all that too, though I believe to you with all your personal growth and read. You read a lot, you're a smart guy, you're great behind all that too, though I believe too, with all your personal growth and you read a lot, your very smart guy, your great with relationships and people.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Like that takes effort and people don't realize it sometimes. I think it's a lost art. I think it's so important when building your network is sometimes I think it could be even more important than when people think about. And when you get a guy like you with all this stuff looks like it's just unfolding and it's like, no, there's a lot of shit that you're doing behind.

Starting point is 00:17:46 No, I love your attitude towards it too. Like that whole time period it was like it was like a training grounds, you know, like being able to interview and like hone in on your craft and do all that stuff, you know, with brain FM and then, you know, having that all kind of like go away. But guess what now, you know, you have those skills. You have that skill set all nice and polished going into this new job. Yeah, it's a funny thing, you know, because with, when I first met Aubrey, you know, he's talking about that, I was like, this is, it's going to be hard to pull me from Vegas. We got family here. Brain of Femte paid me well, and I made my own fucking schedule.

Starting point is 00:18:18 That's the most important thing. I chose when I wanted to work. I could do five podcasts in a week and not do shit for a month. Just be dad, just travel, just have fun. Right. So now working a nine to five and this is no typical nine to five. I get to fucking hit the sauna. I get to meditate on site. I get to go outside and use the organic tobacco. Paul Czech hooked us up with. I get to fucking walk 20 yards from my desk to the Jiu-Jitsu mats and roll each day. I get to do all this shit play with all the tools The maze the kettlebell the fucking barbell. It's all there and I could do that not only am I am I allowed to do it I'm encouraged to do it every employee it on it is encouraged to work out encourage to take time for themselves They do copay on fucking massages on site where they pay half the goddamn massage

Starting point is 00:19:02 Wow, and I can get a massage on the clock, half off. You know, like, it's not a regular job by any means, but to bear, he doesn't understand. My son has no fucking clue. I say, daddy has to go to work. Can I go to give him a kiss? And dude, kicks me in the face. They show me out the door like, fuck you dad.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Don't you believe me? You know, so there has been a learning curve there, but, you know, going back to what you were saying, Adam, like possibly the greatest thing, the thing I'm most, Believe me, you know, so there has been a learning curve there, but you know, going back to what you were saying, Adam, like Possibly the greatest thing the thing I'm most of or one of the things I'm most appreciative about my job now is I get paid to read I get paid to fucking learn and on it pays $5,200 a year for every employee to continue education. So I'll be doing check holistic life coach level two and three and four when they develop it I'll be working on every employee gets that every fucking employee gets that man That's great. They have a they have one of the best men if it's packages ever and it's not like I have anything

Starting point is 00:19:54 This is my first real job For those the UFC wasn't hookin up bucket benefits packages We're the first ever combat sport to involve insurance and it happens to be injury insurance. I get a staff infection. I'm paying out a pocket for him about it and fucking cock suckers, but going back to seeing, focusing on the light, not a good heart. You know, they buy all my books.

Starting point is 00:20:19 I'm fucking reading books nonstop. I'm trying to get to Ben Greenfield level where I can read seven books a week, but that's just damn near I'm boss. I don't understand how I can read seven books a week, but that's just damn near and boss. I don't understand how that guy reads seven books a week with two twin boys. And when he was like two, he's a fucking savage. It really is. He's on another level, bro.

Starting point is 00:20:35 He really is on another level. I feel like you have to trade something for that. I mean, there's a certain amount of normalness that you trade for. He speed reads and yeah, he's a different, he's carved out of a different cut of cloth than I am. But, you know, it is really fantastic that when we have a guest on, I think that's one of the differentiators between, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:54 Rogan has five, you know, you guys do five shows a week, they kind of shit, but you're also really plugged in. It's your full time thing. Rogan stretched another places with comedy, with travel, with all that kind of shit. So he doesn't get to do a ton of prep on his guys You might hear him on a podcast that kind of thing we go all these traveling, but I get to read a guy's whole fucking book before I interview him That's cool like that makes the questions a little bit better. Yeah, I know the material

Starting point is 00:21:16 I know what they're about if they haven't if they're not an author I could listen them on other shows or I can dig deep you know deeper like we get fighters and shit sometimes that I've you know I'm a fight fan but I don't know every fucking fighter right so we've got Andrew Craig at on it who runs like all of our sponsorship through athletes who's also a high level fighter, Brambeauton, Jiu Jitsu, fought in the UFC and that guy will give me the low down. So I have good questions that stimulate great conversation and you look at a guy like Kevin Ross you know Kevin I knew I was a fan of as a fighter. I had no idea the depth of that guy.

Starting point is 00:21:49 He's one of our best podcasts and it was all on fucking tackling fear. And that's the shit I want. I don't want to interview a fighter that's going to tell me about his next fight and how important it is. He wins the belt and all that. It's like, yeah, man, same, same. Everybody that's in that in that fucking game wants that, right? Tell me some shit that you went through.

Starting point is 00:22:06 Tell me what fucking got you here. Tell me the mental practices you have when you're in the cage. That's the shit that fascinates me now. And it's been cool because one way or another, we keep attracting that to us. And the show has really changed. And when I first got there, I wanted to, you know, what's the way you build a show?

Starting point is 00:22:22 You're a guest on other shows, right? But at that time, I didn't want people to back log Orlando, you know all you know all love for Orlando for getting to where it is But I didn't want them to go through the old podcast. I want them to go through my podcast Mm-hmm, and now we've got you know they can hear you We got fucking 20 of them. It's a new voice. It's topped your guests like Ben Greenfield rob wolf all my fucking favorites Mine pumps in mine pumps coming on this shit today, boys. So when you do... We'll be your top.

Starting point is 00:22:49 We're at a bit of a point where you probably read a five star review or somebody DMed you or emailed you, you got feedback. When was that turning point when you knew you were on the right track and really making a difference? You felt it from the listeners and people that are paying attention. Well people write us more. I don't... We get five star reviews and shit like that. And I always say, obviously, we encourage that.

Starting point is 00:23:09 So I'm not saying, please don't write us a review. Please write us a review. It helps a lot. But it's when people just write like on Instagram or Facebook and on it, you know, and they're like, man, the new guy hosting the on a podcast is fucking inspiring. Oh, yeah. Do you remember that first?

Starting point is 00:23:25 So when that should start to trickle in in, it was like, fuck yeah, man, we're on the right track. We're doing good things. And I'm happy that it's seen and felt from the other side the way I hope it is. Because I really listen to these podcasts. This is something you guys taught me. Listen to your podcasts.

Starting point is 00:23:41 See if you're doing anything wrong. What can be improved upon? And one of the best compliments that I've received was allowing guests to talk. That was fucking huge because so many, so many times, I like, we all fucking broke out one together and I don't give a fuck if we're talking over each other, we're fucking for all friends. But if I have, you know, Rob O'Fawn and I'm asking him a question about the importance of the carb test and what some genetic differences may be, things like that.

Starting point is 00:24:09 And then he starts talking and I ask him a three part, so many times you get interviewed. Somebody asks you a loaded question, A, B, and C, and your halfway through B and they're like, well hold on, let me tell you right now, and you're like, I can fucking forgot about C, even let me finish B. So I think people really appreciate that, the allowing the expert to have their space to talk. And, you know, just like, you guys know, there's a certain flow to conversation.

Starting point is 00:24:33 There's an art to that. There's an art to the ability to be able to just to have this conversation, ask really good questions, but then also not sound canned, either like you sat here and wrote all these questions out. We're not Barbara Walters. Yeah, and you're not jumping from all of a sudden you're asking me about my childhood

Starting point is 00:24:46 and then also you take me to like bodybuilding and I'm like, whoa, wait a second, dude. You just give me all emotional and deep and you just shift to gears. That's not how people talk in real life. It's not. And I think the audience feels that when you hear people that interview that way

Starting point is 00:24:59 and I think the natural flow of conversation is just, it's more entertaining to listen to. It feels more real. I mean, every time when we get an interview, I feel like I'm always, I'm asking the questions that I wanna know. I wanna get to know you. You know, I wanna get to know you.

Starting point is 00:25:13 I'm sitting across from somebody and like, this is the type of things I would ask this person if I'm thinking about him being a friend and hanging out with him. Like, I wanna know his values, what he's like, the type of personality is, is this someone who'd wanna be friends with. I'm thinking about all that shit.

Starting point is 00:25:25 The hardest interviews are when you're interviewing a guest, you're trying to have a good conversation. We had a tough one with Dave Asprey. And yesterday, yesterday interviewing Aubrey was a difficult one. When you interview people, sometimes you can feel, or it feels like they're putting on like, this is who I am and I need to say these particular things. Dave Asprey was like that the entire time. Like, he would not go deeper than one inch below the surface and it was very like, here's the answer, here's the answer,

Starting point is 00:25:49 here's the answer. Yesterday was difficult. Aubrey started like that for about 40 minutes where he was talking about his book and it's very much like, and then we were like, well, let's have a deeper conversation. Let's have fun with this. And we broke after about 40 minutes or so, you were there, you listen to the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:26:03 After about 40 minutes we got into that. And that's a very difficult thing to do sometimes with a guest who's coming over there and they're like, they know what they want to say, they know what they're supposed to say. And they're good at it. And they're good at it. And so you ask in question like, Yeah, like tell me, tell me the last, you know, the biggest challenge you've had in the last year. And then the answer was something like, well, everything's challenging.

Starting point is 00:26:22 And life is challenging. Like what the, what does that fucking mean? Like tell me what happened. I want to hear your story. We want details. Have you had situations like that where you're trying to pull from people and it's just like, you hit a wall?

Starting point is 00:26:32 Yeah, and thankfully, it's just been, yeah, I don't want to name names, you know, but there's been a couple instances like that where, you know, it just seemed like I was lobbing people underhand softballs and they were hitting into the infield. And then that I was conscientious enough to know like, okay, I can speak a bit more on this podcast.

Starting point is 00:26:54 There are things where maybe if I wanted them to elaborate on a subject and they didn't, then I could jump in and it's safe to do that because I'm not overstepping, I'm not speaking over them, but I can piggyback on their thoughts. And in the end, there's a nodding, and yeah, man, that's exactly what I was saying. So in any conversation when you're sitting down with somebody, oftentimes you'll repeat what they said back to them in a way that helps them know that you're listening

Starting point is 00:27:21 and that you understand what they're saying. And if you do that in a different way for podcast, because it's not like you guys are gonna be like, right Kyle, so you're saying you moved twice of the last year, that's fascinating. It isn't fucking worked out way in a podcast, right? But you can elaborate on the challenging, you know, the challenging aspects of that

Starting point is 00:27:37 and different things that you guys have gone through. And then it makes sense for the listener. Well, here's something about you that I'm gonna, that I'm gonna let you know that I've observed is that you have an ability and very few people have a ability and I think we have that ability to a little bit of an extent. Adam in particular has a ability where you can get away with saying whatever the fuck you want. Very few people can do this. Yeah, you like it would be it's it would be difficult for you and that's just because you're energy and how you

Starting point is 00:28:01 present yourself. You can pretty much say whatever you, and I don't think anybody would really get upset or angry, I think they'd laugh about it, and so use that to your advantage. That you can ask whatever you want to me, I know this about you, there's an energy. Not everybody can do this. Some people would do this to me, and I'd be, I'd put a wall right up,

Starting point is 00:28:17 but you have that ability, or you could say something, I'd be like, well, fuck yeah, well. Tell me about your first gay experience. Exactly, exactly. And you have to answer. You have to answer. There's no be around. There's no being around. I like how you assume. Right. You're first. Yeah. Well, my God. There's so many. I've got the first. The television wording, right? That doesn't give you an out.

Starting point is 00:28:36 Well, I don't want to talk about. Talk about what you said. I think for the listeners that may not understand this, but you said how you were giving softball pitches. Like, um, I know what you meant, but explaining the audience, what do you mean by that? Like, what are you doing when you give a softball pitch question to somebody? Well, let's say I have a guy who's gonna talk about a specific type of diet, and the easy question,

Starting point is 00:28:56 or the easy question, especially when I've read something, and this didn't happen really well, but let's use Rob as an example. Rob was fucking one of the best interviews I've ever had, but he was one of our favorites, too. Absolutely mate. He's a guy I'd have on. Bro, any doctor that says,

Starting point is 00:29:09 fuck in the same sentence as like, listen to this talk face. Yeah, he said to listen to his talk face. He's a favorite in the same sentence as like some medical term, bro. He's not a doctor, but he is fucking the smartest one. He's fucking cool, is what he is. I would have him on four times a year.

Starting point is 00:29:23 That's how dope he is, right? And he's so, he's a guy. He's a robot of PhD? He's, no, I don't believe he is. He's have him on four times a year. That's how dope he is, right? And he's a guy. He's wrong. He's not a PhD. I don't believe he is. He's on the cutting edge of shit though, right? Dude, I thought he was a PhD. We'll have to look it up.

Starting point is 00:29:32 Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. Maybe Doug can look that up while we're on here. Yeah, Doug, pull that shit up like, hung Jamie on the Rogan show. If he's not, if he's not, he's a brilliant fucking man. He's a brilliant man, he's a brilliant man no matter what. Yeah. But the point is like, if I were to say, Rob, tell me a bit

Starting point is 00:29:49 about this car test, why might it be important? And he goes into the differences genetically between people, how there's science that showed hummus, which is high in fat and fiber and protein, typically would be something that we know from a macronutrient standpoint slows down carbohydrate absorption and wooden spike insulin, but it did. It didn't greater than 50% of the people who ate hummus.

Starting point is 00:30:11 Right. They spiked blood sugar like fucking white rice does. Hummus did, right? So in that thing, if I give him that nice little easy pitch and he doesn't take it into detail and I know there's that story behind it and I know there's things from the books or from other podcasts that he's done. That's a disappointment, you know, because I want more and the fucking people listening deserve more right so and sometimes it's not. It's not necessarily the person doesn't have it in him to say it or they don't want to say it is just that they forget or they're on the spot the spot or maybe they're not used to podcasting, right? So I've had that issue more with fighters than I have with any expert in a particular field. But um... Fighters are in particular can be difficult to

Starting point is 00:30:52 interview because they're athletes in general. It just may not have the experience. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's all. That's what it is. Now, in, in, there was an interview that you gave, and I think it was on Aubrey's show where I I was listening to it, and there was video of it, and I really appreciated this, because this is not easy for people to do, especially a guy, especially an XMMA guy. You cried. You cried on a podcast with Ab, you got very open. Yeah, you were very vulnerable, very open. Would you mind going into that little bit? Yeah, that was right after we came back from Burning Man. This is my first, my first burn. And I was only there for three days with my wife. And there was a few, it's a very, it's a powerful place.

Starting point is 00:31:38 You know, it's funny because it's like this giant adult playground. And you know, you deal with the elements. And there's one of these lessons you get in a deep psychedelic space is you see the polarity of things and how one doesn't exist without the other. Another you don't have to do psychedelics to understand this is in a new earth with that cartole but there is no there's no fat without thin there's no tall without short all these things exist on the same fucking line right and? And you begin to see them both as one and appreciate all of it together.

Starting point is 00:32:11 And in it, burning man, it's extremely hot during the day, extremely cold at night. You got fucking alkaline dust in your, it can burn your fingers and your feet. That's how alkaline it is. You know, so you know on scale of pH, the super alkaline or super acidic, it doesn't matter, it'll fuck you up. And so you're dealing with all this stuff and it's just, it's madness. It's like Mad Max meets EDM meets all the drugs and there's balance in that too.

Starting point is 00:32:40 Like if I go so hard at night, I'm really gonna hurt when it's a fucking hundred degrees tomorrow and I'm dehydrated. I don't want that. So you have to be mindful of what's tomorrow look like. And you're there every day, whether you're there for nine days or three days like we were, you have to be mindful of that. But the thing that really ripped me open was one of the reasons I wanted to go to Burning Man.

Starting point is 00:33:01 I had heard Duncan Trussell talk about this after he went for his first time. They have this place called the temple and in the temple it's everything from dog leashes to cat leashes or callers to Photos of dead loved ones Sometimes it's an outfit that they wore and there's There's no one riding this. Is this this is like are there like tributes to things that they've lost? Yeah, man the whole town you put you put it there and they fucking burn the temple down and you let it go. Oh shit Let it go right and so Man, yeah, it still gets me right when I talk about it fucking pulls me right back in there

Starting point is 00:33:43 But yeah, you know the one that got Whitney, Aubrey's fiance, was she just saw a wedding dress. That was it. There was no fucking writing. You didn't know if it was a divorce or if his wife died? Like she didn't know, but it just fucking her being engaged.

Starting point is 00:33:59 Just ripped her wide open. And for me, when I was walking through everyone's crying, people were meditating, it's a powerful fucking energy. There's times where, and for me when I was walking through everyone's crying people are meditating It's a powerful fucking energy, you know, there's times where and you talk about energy people are gonna say we will blah blah blah But there's no doubt there's certain people you hang with I use this example and I'll make it quick, but Certain people you hang with that are pessimistic, you know, they always drag you down and you're like, I don't like fucking hang with that guy I always feel like shit after and there's somebody else, know, like when I see you guys, where you guys fucking always make me laugh, you always make me feel good.

Starting point is 00:34:29 And there's a certain energy when I'm around you that I fucking gravitate towards. I'm attracted to that, right? So the energy of this room is pain, it's sadness, it's letting go, it's difficulty in letting go. That's why people travel to this place to leave this thing behind to burn and I you know having bears a young young child at that point. I think you'd

Starting point is 00:34:53 Just turned to maybe You know, I saw Dad's holding their fucking young kid In their arms That were dead. Oh, sure. And their fucking, their kid was the same age as bear. Oh, stuff.

Starting point is 00:35:11 You know, and that just poured me open. And it ripped me open for weeks after. It wasn't like, oh, I experienced that, I cried, and then I moved on. That fucking stuck with me. I mean, it's still there right now, you know, because it's, it's not only does it touch you, but it touches you in a place that's,

Starting point is 00:35:29 it's really, it's really fucking deep, man. It's really deep and you, to, you know, some people get that when, when, just from hearing people talk about it, and I got it, I fucking cried, listening to Duncan talk about this place. So when I was there, it was fucking Niagara Falls. I really, it was fucking powerful.

Starting point is 00:35:50 And anytime I spoke about that after weeks after that, I would really open up and cry and light it out. And what was great, what I talked with Aubrey about, was for some time prior to that event, I felt like I had emotional constipation. Every time I felt like I was gonna cry, nothing would come out. Like, I don't know if I was stuck being a man, or not being open to the experience, I've cried plenty of times before,

Starting point is 00:36:13 I've done a lot of self-work on that, on being open to experience, all the things that it means to be human, rather than male, just to be a fucking human. It's important to be able to cry. And that experience really opened me up. I mean, I'd seen really sad scenes, gripping scenes in a movie, and nothing. And I'm like, there's no one around me to see me cry.

Starting point is 00:36:32 It's safe. We're okay. You can let it out. You just felt stuck. Nothing. Yeah, I felt fucking constipated. And after that, like anything, like we're watching the end of Storks and I fucking cry. I'm like, how many men do you think struggle with this? How many bend do you think?

Starting point is 00:36:48 I think it's massive. It's something we're conditioned to and women have their own conditioning. There's no doubt about it. We all go through our own conditioning and it's something that I've spoken about before. But the first time I read the four agreements with Don McGill Ruiz and he was talking about all these agreements that we live by and in the in the introduction he's talking about the domestication of man and he goes into it further and further about how we're fucking a domesticated animal and I'm like bitch what up in a this guy

Starting point is 00:37:17 to make him think that pessimistically about the world and the more I've read it I'm like he's a thousand percent correct he's one thousand percent correct. He's one thousand percent correct It's not just the agreement like you know He's an another great example like if you're a kid this young girl Is singing and dancing and she's being really loud and moms had a terrible day and she's a single mom and She's there with her child and she's like we just be quiet and yells at her says like, you know, you don't even have a good voice boom that fucking child agrees and she's like, we just be quiet in the elevator says like, you know, you don't even have a good voice. Boom, that fucking child agrees.

Starting point is 00:37:47 I don't have a pretty voice and never sings again. And every time it's brought up to them, they don't even know why at a certain point because they forgot, but they agreed to it, right? And so that's powerful to think like, how much programming do I have, you know? And I know Aubrey spoke a great deal about this when he was on your show.

Starting point is 00:38:04 Anytime something is a stick for me, like, man, that really bothers me. I need to dive a little deeper. Let me unpack that. Like Rob Wolf says, let me unpack this and see what's behind it. And I may not find a memory from my childhood where my parents said something they shouldn't unknowingly. It may not be that. It may be a coach, it may be a teacher, it may be anything

Starting point is 00:38:25 down the road where this affected me in a way that changed me going forward. And if I can shed some light on that and see it from new angles and have a different perspective, then maybe I can change going forward. Maybe I can be a different and better person to get more out of life after that. That's awesome. What challenges you like that now? Man, work has been a challenge because right when I first got here, I wanted to hit the ground running. Obviously, there was some... There was a lingering sense of scarcity after getting canned the way that I did with no severance. And it was like... Like fear? Like, back, yeah, back against the wall. I got to make this work. Let's hit the ground running. I want to prove to everyone what I know. I want to prove to everyone how hard I can work and I want to do it all, all things go, go, go. And in that process,

Starting point is 00:39:15 you know, I was still working out and lifting weights, but you know, to use Paul Chek and Mike Salemi's terms, I wasn't working in. I was doing no meditation practices, no Qi Gong or Tai Chi and things that have really been amazing tools in my life to help me reset stress. And I think psychedelics are incredible, but that's not something I do every day. You know, those are those experiences are few and far between. And when they happen, they're powerful and lasting, but that can't that's not my daily. And that shouldn't be anyone's daily routine, right? How do I affect my consciousness sober?

Starting point is 00:39:45 How do I affect this daily waking consciousness in a way where I can manage stress safely, and I don't feel like I need to get blasted on alcohol or load the bomb to forget. And I love cannabis. But the point is, those are tools that need to be used correctly. It's easy to say, don't drink when you're sad, drink when you're happy. Like, that's a fair rule of thumb, right?

Starting point is 00:40:08 And that was an issue for me, but stress would build quite a bit because all I was doing for me was working out. I was adding a physical stressor to the stress of a new job, working like a madman, and I was taking no time for myself. And we went, Aubrey hooked up a trip for Tasha and I and Bair to go out to Spirit Ranch in Sedona,

Starting point is 00:40:28 which is his consciousness getaway. Oh, you've been out there. It's fucking incredible. Oh, tell me about the ranch. So I met Porongi out there, who's a guy just interviewed and this fucking beautiful and amazing woman, Anahata, who I'll be working with on some different things. We went through a consciousness relationship workshop,

Starting point is 00:40:46 and I'm like, cool man, I'm here with my wife. We'll level up together. It had nothing to do with her. She was like, tell me who your greatest teacher has been. And so everyone thinks, you know, for a minute, and she's like, okay, think of that. Now, now your greatest teacher is not just the person who's taught you the most good.

Starting point is 00:41:03 It's the person who's taught you the most bad, the most everything. This is usually a parent or it's usually a sibling. Somebody you've spent the most amount of time with and maybe they've showed you the best way to live but they've also showed you all the things you don't want to do with your kids, all the things you don't want to do in life, all the ways you don't want to treat people. And for me, I knew it meant, I'm not going to say, who, but I knew this person immediately because of that. And I spent hours on this,

Starting point is 00:41:28 working through it and shit like that. And we had so many great things. And Sinoa has a, it's a fucking special place, man. It really is, but I was meditating there, and you do it detox. We're on all your vegan for six days. You do a colonic, you, it's all liquid, it's all liquid diet soups and blended soups and shit like that.

Starting point is 00:41:49 So it really are a fucking pulling shit out of your body. And there's no caffeine. Now this is the first time I had caffeine. I'm a monster. I was doing, I'd split a pot with my wife and have two more fucking hot coffee that were out there. Occasionally I'd have a half-moad affinil. Like if I knew I had a lot of work

Starting point is 00:42:07 and I wanted to read a lot and digest and really record the information, half-moad affinil. For sure, that's the move. And anytime I would schedule in, what I realized there was anytime I would schedule in meditation, my baseline level was jacked up like 10 notches. So here I am at 20 trying to come back down to zero

Starting point is 00:42:26 and I can only get to 10. You know, from the amount of caffeine and even that's that even on the days I wasn't using Modaphanol, that was the fucking case because Modaphanol wasn't an everyday thing but there was so much peace when I meditated in Sedona. I fucking cried. I was like, I haven't felt this piece in a long-ass time

Starting point is 00:42:47 And I knew immediately what it was and so now there are days like you know if we're grinding I got you guys in town today. I'm a guest on your show. You're coming on on it show I'm an interview Rafael Lovato junior later as well. That's three podcasts. He had to be on point But even still I'm not gonna come close to the amount of fucking caffeine that I used to ingest. Right, and after that it was amazing, because one cup of coffee from that break was like, fucking, I'm a rocket ship right now, right? It reset my receptors, and I really can get a lot

Starting point is 00:43:17 from a little, but that taught me not only, was I not achieving the level of peace and stillness, which is the goal of meditation that I had hoped because of the caffeine, but you know, if I scheduled it in, it was like, let me just add this to my schedule. It wasn't a daily practice. Like, let me see if I can fit this in for 15 minutes here because I don't have anything going on. Now, it's totally different. Now I do fucking Tai Chi. Every day I take my shoes off, I go outside, I go, I got my shirt off in the cold or the hot. I'll do standing breath work, you know, the Cheegong practices that Paul check is taught, you know, how to eat, move and be healthy at the end of his book zone exercises, all that shit. And it's a reset for me, but it's daily. It's daily just like Kelly Staret says, you know, you wouldn't brush your teeth once a week. Don't fucking

Starting point is 00:44:02 do your mobility once a week. It's a daily practice, right? And that's what my meditation is. It's not all the time that I'll sit quietly in a dark room. I do employ that as a tactic, but quite often it's at least getting outside, being in nature and working on breath because breath work is one of the great tools. It's one of the simplest tools. It's always like one of the ones I teach people first, like just actually try to breathe for it.

Starting point is 00:44:24 Like pay attention to the way you breathe for just just fits on it five minutes It's focusing you know five minutes. That's such a hard thing sometimes to communicate because everybody's like Why do you breathe what are you talking about I breathe every day? I'm breathing right now like what do you mean breathe? And I think it's part of the reason why it's so difficult is because of that because we breathe and we don't know It's hard to teach something to someone that they haven't felt in a long time. You know, if you were born with one eye, so shut, and I'm keep telling you, you know, man, if you just take those threads out,

Starting point is 00:44:51 like you'll see out of two eyes, if you have an experience state, you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like I can see perfectly because you have one eye open. Until I pull the threads out, and then you open the other eye, and now you see everything you've missed, people for so long go in these patterns of breathing, which by the way, breathing involves

Starting point is 00:45:09 lots of muscles which develop their own recruitment patterns. No different than if you sit a long time at a desk every single day or if you walk a particular way, you develop this recruitment pattern. That becomes your default pattern. In order to change a default pattern, you have to first become conscious that it exists. Then you have to consciously change it, which means you have to work on it.

Starting point is 00:45:31 And you have to work on it long enough to make it your new default. So it actually takes work. And in the beginning part of that work, you don't notice the difference until it starts to become a default. So that's a very difficult thing to sell to somebody who's like, I breathe all the time, man. What do you talking about? I have no problem. Even a guy like you, Kyle,

Starting point is 00:45:48 who's so self-aware, it took you going away, eliminating all these stimulants for you to feel the difference, to feel like, oh shit, this is what I'm missing, and now I can work towards it. Very, very difficult to teach. So in Sedonaona is there, it was just like a big group of you guys, or just saying, the first time that we opened it up to non- it employees. So we had some of the on-it legends that came out.

Starting point is 00:46:13 There was three guys, absolutely phenomenal people. And you know, it's funny because when we got there, we did a medicine wheel where we talked about a lot of the teachings of Native American culture. And I'm fascinated by this stuff. I've worked with Native Americans out in California before many times, some of the Lakota sun dancers. And it really, I think there's a lot of knowledge there

Starting point is 00:46:36 that needs to be translated, especially into the West. And I try to embody it as much as possible and really just, I have a fascination with it as with a lot of things that I'm into. But I wasn't sure how everyone else was gonna take this. Well, getting a little weird here, talking about the buffalo and shit like that. And then I realized, oh, something I learned in an ayahuasca ceremony is, I don't control anyone else's experience. I only control mine.

Starting point is 00:47:00 And that's a parallel to fucking the real world. I don't control your guy's experience. I do control mine and that's a parallel to fucking the real world. I don't control your guys experience. I do control mine Right, so I let that go they'll have their own experience and Not maybe not surprisingly by the end of it everyone thought it was one of the most transformative experiences of their life Fucking blue people out of the water. It felt like I on waska level ceremony I have more notes from that six day. Well, what was it set up like seminar's time and give me like walk me and I envision this like you get there. We get there and date right when you get there.

Starting point is 00:47:31 Perangi takes this out back and he puts us through a musical instruction. Your body's an instrument and he teaches us how to play our body. You know, how to play fucking different, you know, three, five, you just walked there and you get to the lake guitar. Riddle blocks. Okay. So I I'm sure this is it is for and different, you know, three, five, and then- You just walked there and you're gonna make guitar. You're the one who talks. Okay, so I got to talk. Yeah, so this is for- It's coming your balls.

Starting point is 00:47:47 It's coming your balls. Is this for anybody or do you have to be an on an employee to be able to go? Well, that's what I said. This is the first time they open it up to not- It's a skew employees. Okay. And I think that's skin flute.

Starting point is 00:47:56 And then, you know, down the road, it will be open to people that just hear about it, you know, via the advertising and whatnot. Right. So it will be open to everyone. And that's the goal. The goal is, how can we give people a transformative, consciousness, altering experience,

Starting point is 00:48:13 mind altering experience that's spiritual in a way, and transformative, that's not illegal, right? Because that's the big issue here. All these plants are still illegal, and it's a big fucking commitment to go to the Amazon. It's something I've said many times, like, hey, man, it's one thing to spend $1,200 on a plane ticket to Peru. It's another thing to take two and a half weeks off work and a fucking pay for your room, your food, and all the medicine. It's a lot, man. It's a lot to ask for. Even if you have the money,

Starting point is 00:48:43 like, and I used Aubrey as an example when I was interviewing Paragi, like Aubrey, Aubrey, it's no money. It's not a problem for Aubrey to do that financially, but to take two and a half weeks off work. That's the part that's there. That's a fucking issue, right? So, we, how do we make these things

Starting point is 00:48:57 accessible to the masses, you know? And something is funny because I was kind of a snob, but let me just take you through it real quick. We get there, we do the musical stuff, and that's just to open people up, it's to get them out of their fucking shell. Now, are you looking around? Do you see some people like,

Starting point is 00:49:11 what the fuck are we doing? Or is everybody body and right away? You gotta beep, no, fuck no dude. People are fucking super reserved. Super reserved, you gotta beep box, you know? And I'm like, we dude, we dude. What you talking about? It's not fucking,

Starting point is 00:49:24 it's not some weird ass sound for everyone, but you know, by the end of, we dude, we dude. You're talking, we dude. That's how fucking, we're gonna have some weird ass sound for everyone, but by the end of, we were having fun. And it loosened us up, then we had dinner, you know, some fucking bland soup, and the soup was great. But each day we had something for us. So we, you know, on a hot to top, the consciousness relationship workshop, you know, we had a sound healing with Perangi,

Starting point is 00:49:43 which is fucking incredible. Dude plays every instrument. He's got electronic board up there and he loops them in one after another. And like you lay in down with an I'm ask on and full blown visionary state with no substance. No bullshit. Like I was fucking is power always seeing all kinds of shit. And then I even like I pulled my I'm ask up to look at them. Like is this motherfucker playing all these?

Starting point is 00:50:04 He was doing every fucking instrument like 20 different Instruments and layering them in was that day one day two what is this now? This was like day day two. I don't know. It's it's hard, but there's six days there. We had something for us every day Okay, we went up we went hiking and meditated at an ancient native spot. That's actually off trail I don't know if I should say that online. Or, you know, like a canyon, like what's the landscape look like? Spirit Ranch is, you know, it's not far from downtown Sedona,

Starting point is 00:50:32 but it's very, it's all like gravel roads to get there. It takes like another 20 minutes to get there from the main road. And it's very secluded. It's by Bear Mountain, my man Bear. And, you know, it's a giant ranch. You know, there's tons of space where the only fucking house there. It's secluded. And then we go to different places, you know,

Starting point is 00:50:49 like the trails we go to start off, you know, fairly touristy. And then by the time you get to the space, you're going to, you're there all alone. So how do they set up? How's the bed, the sleeping arrangement setup? Is it a bunch of giant house? There's plenty of beds. They're going to work on getting some yurt and different things for even more people to be able to stay there. They've built in a Nepe in Lakota or a Thameskall, the sweat lodge, native market sweat lodge, they have back there, that's for level three. So they have the curriculum for three levels. And level three is the initiation process. So you go through the sweat and you do that and you come out on the other side. But I mean, I had visionary states multiple times, you know, working with Anahata on her light bed.

Starting point is 00:51:29 And this is again going to sound, but Ben Greenfield's big on this. NASA did a three year study on pulse electromagnetic fields, frequencies. And this, this biomass, two fucking grand, it really works. I've laid on one before, you could feel the energy of it, but a lot of negative ions, and it's pulsing at the energy of the earth, same magnetic frequency, right? But I've never had bodywork done on that. So Parangyevim massage on his fucking biomad, and he hits the fucking singing bowl, and it's straight lift off.

Starting point is 00:51:59 Like I was seeing all sorts of shit again without substance. So why is this important? Well, it's important for people to have altered states. It's important for people to tap into something deeper than themselves. And to see around the corner, you know, a term they use is, where's your blind spot? Everyone has a fucking blind spot. What am I not seeing? That's there within me and without, right? What's inside that I don't see and what's outside of my relationships that I don't see. So you're never going to get rid of your blind spot, but how far can we widen this back so that we can see further.

Starting point is 00:52:29 We can see further into ourselves. We can see further into each other and really understand what's going on in our lives because that level of awareness is what grants us peace. That level of awareness makes things understandable in a way that aren't previously. Now, this sounds like it's really deep and it could like scare some people Did is there anybody who gets up and says I can't do this thing? They leave because it's just too heavy for them and they feel like it's this cult like thing that they're going through No, it's so guided. That's the thing man, and it doesn't it sounds cultish right now

Starting point is 00:52:56 But I promise you if you go to that it's something where you're taken by the hand through everything and it's like So nobody leave nobody gets weirded out of it. No, no, no. People need time to themselves and there's plenty of that. You have plenty of downtime. Okay. But the kickboard. You work it out, right? You could just saw something weird.

Starting point is 00:53:14 You experience maybe somewhere than you got like four hours downtime. And you get time to talk about it. You know, that's the other thing is it's not like, you have this experience. Then all right guys, it's bedtime. You know, like, no, like, let's talk about our experiences. And people have emotional breakdowns, they open up, and you really share something.

Starting point is 00:53:31 Like, you go through it. I went through it with obviously my wife was there, but another on an employee in, and a couple of other on an employees. And I feel fucking like, that's my brother, man. Like, that's something I, like, just the same as if we've gone to the Amazon together. Like, we went through some shit, and I know some darkness from his past and you know some darkness from my past, right? And there's there's some there's real value in the relationships that you have with people

Starting point is 00:53:54 when they are vulnerable and they tell you what's underneath the surface. It's not just yeah, man, today's going good. It's like, no, I know how you grew up. I know the shit you've been through. I know that I know you a little bit more than I did before. Right. You know, but what we finished on a hunt to put us through Shamanjelik breathwork, which is a lot like

Starting point is 00:54:11 holotropic breathing by Santa's love grove. And it's funny because I've done Wim Hof breathing. I felt my fucking hands curl in. I've seen different colors, shock or energy, whatever you want to fucking call it. I've seen different colors in my visionary field, but never have visions from it. So it was a little snobby when I got there.

Starting point is 00:54:28 I was like, I don't think this is gonna compare to fucking heroic dose of psilocybin or even one of the Amazon, but I mean, full fucking body, like I was shaking, like vibrating uncontrollably from this breath work and seeing all sorts of shit. Like just fucking, one of the most powerful visions that I had, which was on confidence,

Starting point is 00:54:49 was you go to a space, you go into outer space, and you say, well, I went into outer space and I saw a table of the elders, and this is something they talk about Native American culture, and the elders will tell you something, they have a message, so this is a guided vision. But it was clear as fucking day, and it was my eyes closed, clear as day.

Starting point is 00:55:11 And the elders simply pointed to my seat and said, take your seat at the table. What's gangster? It's like some Mofiosa shit right there. Yeah, fuck it, yes I will, sir. You're a wise guy. I will, but you're one of us. Kiss the fucking thing. Just Fuck it. Yes, I will sir. You're a white side will Now, but it was like like you're fucking welcome. You have a seat at the table with us like you can be

Starting point is 00:55:33 An authority on shit, you know, and that's something I talked with you guys about in the past like man Everything I talk about is something somebody else is an expert in you're like no you're amazing Was that a challenge for you before where you felt like you you were an imposter or you felt like you weren't just good. It's just like it's just like well anything that I talk about And this is still the case, but anything I talk about it's not my fucking. It's not I didn't do all the research Yeah, but you know, it's funny. I'm in fasting and it's the research everybody exactly exactly Everybody as humans we just continue to build on other people's information And that's how we evolve and we get smarter we get better And that's half the reason we do this is the sharing of wisdom, right? And you acknowledge it all the time, I mean, which is important too, but yeah, I mean,

Starting point is 00:56:11 we all build off of everybody else's knowledge. It's how we grow. Yeah. So that would, but also just like feeling, I guess, like that I can, that I can speak among the elders that I'm there. And that's something Paul Chek said. He said, dude, you're a fucking elder now. You own that.

Starting point is 00:56:26 And that was really powerful for me too. Coming from a man like Paul Chek, who I hold in the highest regard. But yeah, it was powerful. And there was many things like that. They just layered into that. And there wasn't a person that left that experience that didn't say that was one of the coolest experiences

Starting point is 00:56:41 in my life. Yeah, altering your state of consciousness is so transformative. And I'm not talking about taking psychedelics, although that's a very fast and effective way of doing it. I'm sure it's really just about forcing yourself to be really here at the moment. And one of the easiest things you could do if you're listening, and you're like,

Starting point is 00:57:00 I want to experience that, is eliminate distractions. That's the easiest thing you can do. If you fast, and you eliminate like, I want to experience that, is eliminate distractions. That's the easiest thing you can do. If you fast and you eliminate all distractions and you're alone or you're somewhere where there's really nothing else to do, watch what happens. Give yourself a few days. I mean, if you can give yourself a few days

Starting point is 00:57:16 without distracting, eliminate caffeine, eliminate food, eliminate all these different things, watch where your mind goes and the problem is, people are scared. Well, they're scared of doing that. We've never been in a time that's this difficult. We've never been in a time when it's that difficult to detach. Oh, you're super, everything.

Starting point is 00:57:31 We are so plugged into everything right now that it's never been this challenging. You know, I think that, I mean, I've just, I watched my own evolution, like with my phone, like it's crazy to think that just 15 years ago none of us even used that. Like I didn't need my, we're now like I you get this feeling of almost anxiety. If you walk out the door and it's not in your pocket, it's like what the fuck bro? And I consider myself a very aware person. So to see

Starting point is 00:57:57 that see that happen to me and notice that, wow how that could sneak up on you. I think that's everybody else man. So So many people are so, so a detached that they haven't separated and had a perspective of like, what fucking, what is it like if I actually just stop and actually think about my brief, that's why I think the breathing thing is the first thing that I tried to do. Right, because if you can't sit down for fucking one minute

Starting point is 00:58:19 and just fucking get you breathing, fucking meditation, if you're not ready for sitting down and meditating or doing any fucking crazy chants, you can even fucking breathe yet. I'm like, that's like step one, is just become aware of your own breathing. For me, that was like game changer, where I was like absolute game changer.

Starting point is 00:58:34 Yeah, I did. And it's simple things, it's so simple. It's very small, simple things. Like when I, you know, really kind of figured out that I shouldn't drink water while I was eating my food. Oh, that was a big one. That was a big one. That was a huge, I was Paul Chek. Paul Chek said that talked about that.

Starting point is 00:58:47 And I thought to myself, I'm holy fuck, every time I eat, I have to drink water because I literally have to wash it down because I've conditioned myself to treat food like, it's a supplement, like wash it down, get the protein, get the fat, and I didn't even realize that I was doing this. So when I eliminated water and I had to focus on chewing,

Starting point is 00:59:03 I had achieved a new level of awareness. It was so stupid. It was stupid because it was so simple. I don't mean stupid like it's dumb. Stupid to me because I thought in order to become more aware, I had to do all these complicated things. When in reality, it was just don't drink water chew your food. That's like, it sounds like a child, right? Like you tell your kids to down and chew your food. And here I am. I'm doing it. And I'm like, explosion of ideas and understanding what's going on my food. And holy shit, I need to chew my food. And here I am, I'm doing it and I'm like, explosion of ideas and understanding what's going on with my food. And holy shit, I need to chew my food more than three times. This is crazy. It's those little things that make, you know,

Starting point is 00:59:32 that big of a difference. Now you're in, is this your first like, I'm putting quotation marks here, corporate type job? Oh, no, it's the first time I've ever had my life, you know, like at a college, I specifically didn't want. So one of the most depressing times of my life when I got done with football and I talked about this and the solo podcast I did it with on it, I think it's episode 12.

Starting point is 00:59:51 But I don't need to go dive down into that too much, but basically I quit going to school my senior year after football. I did not want to fucking have a desk job. I feared what that meant. I saw how my parents were with that lifestyle. I didn't want that for me. And I really loved being a fucking athlete.

Starting point is 01:00:09 So I just started training to mix martial arts after a year of heavy drug use and not the good ones. And MMA gave me something new to go for. You know, and then it wasn't long after that. I got my first fight, one under 30 seconds, one my second fight under 30 seconds and I was hooked. Like, all right, now let's start training. Let's make this real.

Starting point is 01:00:28 And that really gave me focus and drive and purpose again. And it also kept me out of the desk job. But, you know, that, that only could only go so far. You know, there's only be one champion in each division, you know, and, um, considering the fact that I still had to live in my mom's garage while I was a fucking professional athlete. Which is crazy. And working another job at the Titty Bar,

Starting point is 01:00:48 it's like, I don't need this anymore, it's too taxing, I'm taking permanent, hopefully just semi-permanent brain damage from these interactions, from these fights. And so, you gotta tell me, what percentage do you think of fighters? Experience that right now like is it how common is it? Are you see there's no no no no no no no, I mean like the struggling being a professional athlete for UFC Struggling to get by while you're fucking training your ass off to be the best What percentage would you maybe 10% of the fighters make enough money to where they don't need to worry about shit?

Starting point is 01:01:23 probably another 10% of the fighters make enough money to where they don't need to worry about shit. Probably another 20% make enough to get by. And then I would say the bottom 60, 70% are more than half. Yeah, I'd say more than half struggling because if you think about it, there's so many new guys or so many smaller shows on Fox Sports one and straight to fight pass. Those guys are making shit. They're making fucking eight and eight. Eight grand is show up, eight grand a win. You get hurt in a fight. It's your only fight that year You're telling me fucking 16 grand is gonna support you and your family. I don't give a shit if you live in Bangladesh

Starting point is 01:01:52 That's not fucking working out for you, right? There was times where I had fight of the night 40 grand bonus But on top of 10 and 10 means I got 60 grand. I'm paying 10% to coaches 10% to management That's $48,000 before I pay the IRS last me a year. That's less than a teacher makes. And then let me let me go back on that. Well, I'd be like, oh, you're saying fighters should make more than teachers do teachers get more mouth. Yeah, we all should fucking get more money. No doubt. But the thing is, maybe there's not that much money in teaching from the government. There's a fuck ton of money in the UFC, it's just what they dull out.

Starting point is 01:02:25 It's known now, they give 15% or less of the total revenue to fighters, whereas you compare to boxing 80% to the boxers. Strike force you to give 70% to the fighters. The NFL PA went on strike in 2007 to get 55%, 45% to the owners, 55% of the players, right? So comparatively, it's a fucking joke, dude. It's not that the money's not there, it's fucking there.

Starting point is 01:02:50 They're just fucking whore-doll. It's less than five times with almost every under 15%. Under 15% even on a fucking card where Conor McGregor's getting seven figures guaranteed. Here's the problem. The problem with it is you've got the supply and demand. You've got an endless supply of fucking kids willing to fucking die in the ring or the cage for nothing.

Starting point is 01:03:09 So they don't have to, you know what I mean? They get all these kids who are really fucking, you fight for nothing, let's do this. And so it makes it difficult. Well, we'll see. We got a class action lawsuit going and we'll see how that pans out. But you know, fighting for me,

Starting point is 01:03:22 they're, I learned a lot from it. I have a lot of gratitude for it. It helped me change in many ways in, you know, you talk about how I got here in the position of man right now and the day that I'm in and on it. Like, there's no doubt that that that fighting was the catalyst for that. Sure. Because getting knowing I was going to get punched in the face made me want to learn more. Yeah. Like, I have to learn more. Every time I sit down and I love video games, but every time I sit down and play a video game,

Starting point is 01:03:48 that's time I could have spent doing mobility. That's time I could have been in an ice bath or get a massage, or fucking reading more to learn more about diet nutrition and supplementation, any way I can get an edge. So let me ask you a question, because you're talking about how you used to fight. And I imagine that you have to activate or tap into an alternative operating system to

Starting point is 01:04:11 get into a cage and to, you know, to hurt another man physically. And I know it's an agreement, it's voluntary, and there's a lot of beauty in that. There is because it's competition, it's pure, there's rules, it's not like we're fighting to kill each other, but you are kind of fighting to kill each other in a way, right? That operating system, is that something that you feel like you could tap into now that you've changed so much or do you feel like tapping into that now would hurt too much? Or would change much of a lover now?

Starting point is 01:04:41 There was a really strong sense in my last fight that I would never fight again. And I knew once I had that feeling like, oh, this is it. Let's fucking, let's still try to win. Let's do everything I can. Um, because I'm in the fight when I realize it. Was that like, I don't want to do this anymore, feeling? Yeah, it was, it was, this is not important. And I'm getting fucking elbowed in the face underneath a fucking

Starting point is 01:05:04 tablet. That's how I was doing the catcommon. Yeah. And this is an important. And I'm getting fucking elbowed in the face underneath a fucking tablet. Pat comments. And this is an important. And I'm like, well, I'm like, you're not going to fucking lay here and get knocked out. And it was like, no, get the fuck up. And then I kept getting up. And you know, it's funny. We mentioned that talking about world records. That was the most takedowns ever in a Pat comments as the record for the most takedowns ever. Like, The lightweight fight was my final fight with him. But that means that I got the most stand-ups back to the feet ever in a light and everywhere.

Starting point is 01:05:30 Which is actually something to be, that's pretty fucking cool. He could not have that record with that. No one's ever been knocked down as many times in the UFC they got back up. It's kind of a cool record, bro. That's silly. I think I can tell that it's pretty cool.

Starting point is 01:05:43 Yeah. So, you know, when the time came, it was like, amen. This ain't a sport to be 500 in. This ain't a sport to win one, lose one. Yeah. You know, there's too much damage. I'm not making enough money. And, you know, it was, it was, when it came time to move on, I was okay with it.

Starting point is 01:05:59 It wasn't like when I, when football ended, it was kind of like, what do I do now? You know, when, when fighting ended, I knew I had passions. I knew there was things that I was interested in, and I just kept that up. You know, I was still working on the weekends at the bar, bartending and bouncing, and not the greatest environment, but there was beauty in that.

Starting point is 01:06:17 And I was able to read and learn so much more and have passion in that and continue to work out, continue to train and get to, and compete in Jiu-Jitsu on occasion. And from there, it just felt like it was just a matter of time before things would start to work out. And you know, going on the Joe Rogan show was at the time, it just seemed like a fun deal.

Starting point is 01:06:37 You know, it was like, hey, I got nothing to promote. A lot of people go on a show and they have a book launch or they've got a website they want to send people to. I didn't have any of that. There was no promotion. Was he curious because you had gone through like Keto as an athlete yeah you know we were buddies and I was bullshit with him right after he had a few Keto guys on but he just had Mark Sissonon and I was reading Primal Endurance

Starting point is 01:06:58 and fucking love that book and so I you know he said all right looks like I'm gonna try to go full Keto on the podcast so like a day later I wrote them on Twitter like, Hey, man, if you're going to do this, it's something I've been doing for a couple of years now, here are the common pitfalls, you know, don't have your protein too high. And it's, don't worry about muscle loss because it's anti-catabolic and just went down the basic macros and obviously you got to keep your crucifers veggies in your fiber hive because you want to feed the good bacteria, you want to feed all the guys that are really the regulatory police as our buddy Dr. Michael Ruscio calls.

Starting point is 01:07:33 Those guys need to be fed too, right? So given in the ins and outs and he was like, fuck, why don't you just come on the show? And I'm like, I'm fucking driving on whenever you want, man. He's like, I got time Thursday at one, two days later, I drove down and that hit and then, you know, it was funny, like the very next week I got time Thursday at one, two days later I drove down and that hit. And then, you know, it was funny, like, the very next week I drove down to LA again, got fucking Chelsea Handler baked on her shell and put her through a workout.

Starting point is 01:07:52 So yeah, she was already starting to just pop up. And, you know, I was involved with some pro cannabis stuff and, and I don't know how the Netflix producers got a hold of me, but, you know, shit started popping up. And even though I had nothing to promote or anything like that I just kept learning and kept grinding and then it was like, you know, Joe encouraged me to start a podcast and I asked how hard it was and I'll add on no and then all right man. This is something I want to do, you know and It wasn't long after that when The former CEO of Rain of Fame hit me up said hey, we want you know, we want to start a podcast, we want you to host it.

Starting point is 01:08:27 And we'll pay you full time to do it. And it was like, bam, now I can fucking do this, you know, and it ended up being because I was talking about plant medicines and the things that had really transformed my life. They didn't want to have that attached to their company. And at the time I was fucking heated, but in hindsight, yeah, man, it makes perfect sense. I get it dude. You want to back everything by science with your company.

Starting point is 01:08:47 You don't want anything that could be non-scientific. Or two controversial. Or two controversial, even though science supports it now, it's still illegal. And so I got it, you know, and that allowed me to start my own podcast with them as a sponsor, which really was beautiful because then I didn't have a muzzle. I could talk about whatever the fuck I wanted, I get whatever guests I wanted. And you know, originally we had been interviewing other tech guys and shit. And it wasn't really my wheelhouse.

Starting point is 01:09:11 You know, now it was my, my wheelhouse, you know, and so we, it, it really did facilitate, a space to learn and not to worry about finances and to continue to grow and to master the craft. And by no means it's still a work in progress. I'm not a fucking master by any means, but I got a lot better in that time period. And then, when I met Aubrey, I didn't need a fucking job. It wasn't like, hey buddy, I love you.

Starting point is 01:09:35 Will you hire me? It was just like, no man, I just wanna get to know you. I'm a fucking fan. I've heard him on Rogan's, talking about plant medicines. There's a lot I wanna talk to that guy about. And Alpha brain's one of my favorite fucking neutropics. Sorry for the plug boys, but it is. Like if I take Modaphanel or even some of the Rassetams

Starting point is 01:09:53 and I jump off, if I go on Rassetams with AlphaGPC, they fucking work. But when I jump off, I feel it. I don't like the way to drop. I don't like that. We've always talked really good about the Alpha. I mean, Alpha brain is the shit dude. I feel the drop.

Starting point is 01:10:04 There's a reason why it's the staple supplement for all in medicine. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me.

Starting point is 01:10:12 You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me.

Starting point is 01:10:20 You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. You always talk to me. We're on that flight in John Wolf's The Fucking Master Trainer on it. And there wasn't all of us were fucking learning from one another. It was the nights of the roundtable. Everyone had a voice, everyone had a seat at the table, like the elders, and we got to really fucking learn from each other and realize,

Starting point is 01:10:35 fuck man, these guys have so much knowledge, and that's what I was thinking about them, and they were thinking about me. And now we have this fucking really tight cohesive unit and on it that's going onward and upward. The podcast is going to be fucking it's already in a space where it's it's infinitely better where it was before. Yes, I agree.

Starting point is 01:10:55 I agree. I think you're killing it. Yeah, man, and it's a fun. It's a really fun spot to be in. And now since Sedona, I have balance back in my life. More importantly than anything. I have a daily practice for working in. I have a daily practice for stress management. And those are the tools that maybe I knew about and like I use this quote all the time for Bruce Lee, it's not enough to know we must do. So I knew this shit. I read fucking Paul Chex book 10 years ago,

Starting point is 01:11:20 but I wasn't doing it every day. Now I'll do it. You can say, I know I'd have benched squat and deadlifts, but you don't build up the courage to go when you're supposed to go. Isn't that funny? We're big different men. We're funny creatures like that. We know better. It's like, yeah, I know that,

Starting point is 01:11:36 but until you actually go through it, it's like you don't actually subscribe to it until, you know. There's knowing and then there's knowing. And real knowing is in your body. There's the mind knowing like I know I should do that, but when you experience something, that's when your body knows it. The knowledge through the body is embodiment. And Paul checked talked about this quite a bit on the show where you can read every book

Starting point is 01:11:56 on earth, but unless you digest, process and then embody that knowledge, you're the fucking, you're the smartest guy in the mirror. Living in your head all the time is insanity. It will drive you to insanity. Living in your head and your body, that's balance. And you know what's funny about that when you look at the scientific literature, and this always tricks me out, the receptor, the serotonin receptors in the stomach or the gut and in the heart. Extremely high. You have several brains in your body, several

Starting point is 01:12:28 organs in your body that respond to feelings and what trips me out about that is for thousands of years, nobody knew this, but they would refer to things like your gut in your heart. I guess you'll miss some heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Let's hear your heart. Listen to your heart. Listen to your heart. Trust your gut. How, and it's funny because they respond differently to different stimulus

Starting point is 01:12:46 that they feel different and learning to listen to all of those is what gives you balance. But we Western societies, its strength is that it's very good in the head space. It's better than any other society in the world in a head space. That's what Western medicine is, what science is, the scientific method. But at its fault is it's ignored the other aspects of knowing which is in the gut and in the heart. So that's why you see dysfunction.

Starting point is 01:13:12 That's why you always see dysfunction. You can see dysfunction. It looks different in different ways, but in Western societies, all being in the head leads to, it can lead to mental issues. It can lead to stresses when they shouldn't be there where you have all your needs met. You got water, food, shelter,

Starting point is 01:13:28 and why the fuck am I anxious and stressed out and depressed all the time? What the hell is going on? And I'm not taking care of my gut and I feel terrible and I don't listen to my heart and I feel terrible, but yet I know all these things and what's going on, totally different experience. Yeah, we, you know, and, and uh,

Starting point is 01:13:46 not to, not to fucking go down the IWASC grab a hole again, but there was a shaman that I had worked with who, who told me, you know, when, when the storm comes, monkeys don't climb to the top through the treetop. It's too fucking windy, it's too unstable. They go down, they go down to the roots where it's strong. That's where they're safe. But what do we do as humans?

Starting point is 01:14:04 When the shit hits the fan and there's chaos all around us, we try to fucking think our way out of it. We go up to the fucking tree top, right? So we have to return to our center. We have to bring that back down and to put that in a practical terms for people that are like, ah, what the fuck does that mean? I'm not going out of my anus.

Starting point is 01:14:19 I'm gonna fucking bring my head space there. That was my side joke. That was my side joke. But to return to our heart, to feel what we're going through. And if we can sit with that in a float tank or in a quiet dark room or out in nature with the fucking birds chirping and nothing on, I listen to Audible, I listen to podcasts,

Starting point is 01:14:37 but there's a time to disconnect from that too. Right, to be alone, to truly be alone, and inner-own skin, and then to feel what's going on inside That sheds light on it and then that gives us ideas so we can return to the tree top and figure it out But if we just try to fucking think our way out of the chaos, it'll never fucking good look. It ain't gonna happen so Two questions here. Do you feel like you have a higher purpose and if you do what is that? What drew me to, you know, the higher purpose,

Starting point is 01:15:07 man, there's a couple of things I wanna talk about with that. Why? He's sitting at the table, man. Yeah. Of course he's, I'm not the table, guys. Don't forget what I told you. Don't forget the vision. Don't forget the vision.

Starting point is 01:15:19 Sure, but that's different than what. It is, it is, it is. So, the purpose with the podcast was something that I heard Dr. Chris Ryan talk about. It is, it is. So the purpose with the podcast was something that I heard Dr. Chris Ryan talk about. It's 50% selfish. I want to meet great people like you and become fucking friends. I want fucking awesome friends.

Starting point is 01:15:34 And I want to learn what you guys have to know, which is a lot. I want to learn what Rob Wolf has to know. And then to share that wisdom with the world. That's the other 50. How do I give that in a conversation format to people so we all learn together? That's just on the podcast. That's my purpose there, something I've really been drawn to.

Starting point is 01:15:53 And deeper than that is the continued self growth and self mastery. That's a never ending. There is no fucking finish. There is no final level. It'll never end. It won't end in this lifetime It'll continue on in the next and that's okay But it's it's to rock that path where I am I am continually trying to better myself

Starting point is 01:16:14 I'm continually trying to be the best person I can be and in doing that I'll be the best dad. I'll be the best lover the best husband I'll be the best son the best brother and that that makes Not only me get more out of life, it improves my quality of life, but it improves all the relationships I have with everyone around me. And if I do that, that in a small way makes the world a better place. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Beautiful.

Starting point is 01:16:38 And that's to embody that. That's probably the most important thing I think anyone can work towards. Absolutely. Well, you're going to blow up our ego a little bit, but we recognized your what you have to offer your greatness way back when we first met you. You guys discovered me. We felt well, we felt it. We felt it. We talked about it. It felt really good. We liked you. And you know, you don't meet a lot of people where right away you meet them and you have to be open in order to do this because if you're not a confident, open individual and you meet someone else who's got that inside of them, it can feel threatening, you can feel like a little ego competition.

Starting point is 01:17:14 And I think that's a huge mistake and we're all, we all pride ourselves in being kind of that way and we identified that in you right away. We felt it and we're like fuck this dude you know he's got some greatness in him and you know I know that's gonna make our egos feel good but when you know on it brought you on board the first comment I think I went on Aubrey's page and I said that's the fucking smartest decision I've seen you guys I mean that that you guys have made bad decisions or anything but I think you guys made a brilliant decision bringing Kyle on board so I think well I speak. We're fucking, it's awesome to see this brother. We're very proud and proud of you, dude. We're happy to see on it,

Starting point is 01:17:50 make a decision like that. And I know you and wherever you're gonna go, you're gonna, you're gonna kick ass. But they, I don't know if they really know, maybe they do, but I don't know if they really know how awesome of a decision that was. So it's fucking awesome to see you doing this brother. Hell yeah, thank you guys, man, much love to you guys. Always a good time with you dude. And thanks for coming on the show, man.

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