Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 704: The Dangers of the Carnivore Diet, Making Health Sexy to Bros, Combatting Osteoperosis & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of MIND, POP! What, you're a POP! You're a one and only daily fitness show. You know what's funny? Where you come for current events, fitness, knowledge, and fucking laughs.

Starting point is 00:00:24 Everything, it's the daily Show we're up five days a week Saturday and Sunday we give you a break so you can relax your brain Who else is dropping that much free fitness knowledge man? So for the first 45 minutes of this episode We do our current events in TRO we talk about tech and cutting out the middle man Yeah, cut him out man, And we get him cut through fitness. That was a bad dad joke. We talk about the recent Uber study on their gender pay gap.

Starting point is 00:00:54 We talk about Tesla in space. God, doesn't that sound like a cool? Tesla in space. For those of you that are not old, that was that, that was a Pics and Space. Remember Pics and Space? Pics and Space. We, Pics and space. Pics and space.

Starting point is 00:01:06 We talk about laughing gas, not the kind that just an emits. Everybody laughs when I do it though. We talk about fake surgeries and the placebo effect. Embarrassing moments. That's right. Next time you break your femur, you might not have to get surgery. Yeah. We talk about embarrassing moments.

Starting point is 00:01:21 I talk about one that's extremely embarrassing. Sorry, Meg. We talk about four that's extremely embarrassing, sorry, Meg. We talk about four sigmatic, they are one of our sponsors. If you go to four sigmatic, that's FOURSIGMATIC.com, forward slash mind pump and enter the code, mind pump without a space. Justin's on that line, you'll get a big old discount. Sparked. We talk about a new meta analysis study on protein and what they found to be the ideal amount of protein intake for muscle building.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Sounds good. Newspapers. We do the thrive market unboxing. This time, Doug orders a bunch of stuff from Thrive Market. Now, we're also sponsored by Thrive Market. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mine pump, here is what you will get. One month free membership,

Starting point is 00:02:10 20 hours off your first three orders of $49 or more, and free shipping. And we also mentioned our new mind pump t-shirts. These are brand new, it's a new style. You've never seen it before. Stay authentic motherfuckers. They're there, they are there there there hey you need to drop some knowledge on the maps red program because we actually talked about anabolic it's been a while

Starting point is 00:02:29 since we've actually talked about anabolic which is our foundational program and with this osteoporosis right that's where we did we talked a little bit about maps prime and maps and a ballic you can find all of our maps programs at mind pump.com. Then I get into the questions. The first question was, how do we target a health conscious audience when most people are just into, you know, brosplets and biceps and abs? Like, what is the strategy? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:57 The next question was, this individual's mom has osteoporosis and it seems to be getting worse. What do we recommend? Is it more calcium? Is it more vitamin D? Or is it deadlifts and squats? The next question was, this person's been seeing a lot of people starting

Starting point is 00:03:17 a new diet, it's called the carnivore diet. It is exactly as it sounds. This is a diet where people eat nothing but meat. Basically like a T-Rex. There's nothing else in this diet. And we've got the doctor who's doing this right now coming in pretty soon here. Dr. Chombaker will be in. I can't wait.

Starting point is 00:03:33 But we do answer. We do talk about our opinions on this diet. And then the final question is, which of our clients that we've trained the past was the most impactful in our lives? Who changed our lives through us training them? Super sentimental section. Find out in this episode and we also mention that we have a new program coming out very soon.

Starting point is 00:03:55 If you're in the forum, you'll find out sooner than later. If you're not in the forum, you'll find out a little later. But it's exciting. And of course, I did mention that. Are the rumors true? This is this, I mean, this episode goes up today, but Doug, is the forum gonna have access by this weekend? They will.

Starting point is 00:04:13 The forum gets all the hookahs. Yeah. Well, if you wanna get this program through. We haven't talked about that in a very long time. We have a ton of new listeners since we've even talked about forum type stuff. You know, if you're on our forum, you get, and we talked about shirts today. So when you're on our forum, you get, and we talked about shirts today,

Starting point is 00:04:25 so when you're on the forum, you get half off of all of our t-shirts, first of all, for being having access to the forum, and then you always get the early releases on any programs, and you also get it at discount rate. So, you get a big deal. Aside from getting to hang out and talk to Sal just in an atom all the time.

Starting point is 00:04:39 So, I think there's all kinds of perks for being inside the private forum. You can't even give any more incentives. Right. It's just impossible. It's a great place to hang out, a lot of handsome and sexy people. Yeah. And I guess that's pretty much it. Look, if you have any more questions on any of our programs or our bundles, which are

Starting point is 00:04:54 when we take several mass programs and put them together and order them in a way that's directed towards a particular goal. And it looks like a bundle. The place to go is mindpumpmedia.com. So last night I had a good friend of ours come by and she I used to coach her and she competed a couple of years ago helped her out. You guys have met her I think before Jessica and she is she's worked for three different startup companies and she's on one right now that has 50 employees. There's 50 or 15 50 right now.

Starting point is 00:05:25 The one that she's involved in has 50 employees now and she was a part of it two and a half years ago when she went down the street. When it didn't even exist, right? Is that true? And the CEO is actually this, there was the CIO for Tesla and with Elon Musk, right, obviously.

Starting point is 00:05:43 And he's now the CEO of this company. What they're doing, and this just kind of speaks to some of the topics that we've been talking about lately with just the evolution of how we're gonna do things. And so they've created the software. And it reminds me a little bit of what Barbell Shrugged did for the CrossFit gym boxes, but on a whole nother level,

Starting point is 00:06:02 like way more complex and integrated than that, obviously. But for their main target, they're starting off with his dealerships. And there's a lot of this, like, you know, you go in to get your car repaired, and it's just, there's a lot of hoops you gotta jump through as far as people you talk to, what parts you need, oh, is this broken or not broken, or all then they do some, then they also, they do it, and they say, oh, by the way, you need to replace this and that.

Starting point is 00:06:29 And so they're making this really customer service friendly real time software, and it's really fucking dope, dude. Like, what were capable of doing, and like how that could just totally change that market completely? And so, like, they, part of what they have patent on because I was asking or too, I'm like, well, what's to stop another startup to see what you're doing and do it

Starting point is 00:06:52 as well? Or better, so what we're doing right now exists in individual silos and we're trying to integrate the entire process. So imagine you, you're, we, we have this, they, and they had a technology where when you, you know, get by a car from these dealerships, so they're already working with Ford, GMC, I think Toyota, some other ones, that might be wrong. There's a couple of them that are big name ones that they're dealing with already, that

Starting point is 00:07:14 they're trying to integrate this where you get this piece that goes up underneath your dash, can't even see it. And then, let's say, problems that goes real-time diagnosis. Yes, diagnostics, real time. And then automatically pops up alerts to your phone and that you need a service, this is broken, this isn't working. So they've just made it even more smart.

Starting point is 00:07:34 So that way it, yeah, it'll notify and give you a better, better information. All the way down to check this out. So let's just imagine this, right? So let me, well, will that help me know why there's a light in my car right now? Yes, yes, yeah, because I know. It's on the idiot lights. Literally, just like, I think how cool this would be, right? So let me walk. Well, that helped me know why there's a light in my car right now. Yes, yes, yes. I'm the idiot lights.

Starting point is 00:07:46 Literally, just like, I don't think how cool this would be, right? So you're driving boom, the alert comes up. And then all of a sudden, you get something that tells you pressures off or whatever like that. And then from there, you could literally book your appointment, automate it so it already what's available for you to come in there. So you can boom, you send it in, car goes in, then it gets there, and then they do the full check on it, right? So let's say mechanics under the hood,

Starting point is 00:08:08 he's doing something, oh shit, your oil pan's cracked too. And how often have you heard this, after you go to pick your car up, they tell you after the fact, like, oh, you need a fixation, you need to fix that, and then most people just like, oh, fix it, just whatever, or some people are skeptical and go like, well, I haven't heard anything, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:08:22 right? So real-time Right. So real time picture. So mechanics under the hood. So like that sees a problem photograph of it. It doesn't even get automatically as populated into your app that's, you can next you to your dealership and shows the part. And then you, and then right next to it is the, the replacement for an ad for 289. You know, oh, yeah, I need that. Go ahead and get it.

Starting point is 00:08:45 That's so primed for innovation. Because I mean, so Tesla, sorry to interrupt you, but this came from obviously the guy who was CIO of Tesla. And so I guess, and somebody who owns a Tesla probably has already gave you an update at just over the cloud, which is a cloud-based program that is going to aggregate all of this data and information to make the experience for the customer so much better.

Starting point is 00:09:10 Now, I was talking to her and I'm like, my brain's spinning because one of the things that I'm struggling with in our current business is, once you grow to a certain point, one of the hardest things is aggregating all the moving parts of the business and simplifying it. We were just talking this morning before we got on air like, you know, fuck, when I got to pay attention to sales from this and what's going on over here, I got to have like nine different logins to try and figure that all out. Like how awesome it would be if it was all centralized in one app that not only spoke

Starting point is 00:09:43 to me about my personal business, but also let me directly connect to my consumers. That's where this is going. And they're just starting in the automotive world because that's their expertise coming from Tesla, but she goes the big, big game plan is this in phases and then eventually hit other businesses. Well, the thing I love about technology the most is the ability for technology to aggregate data

Starting point is 00:10:08 and communicate it real time fast. You wanna talk about efficiency and cost savings, which is just wealth creation. Technology's the best at it. It's fucking awesome. And there's all these questions that we have about certain things, but technology can literally just put it all together

Starting point is 00:10:25 for you eliminate, because middlemen have existed for, since markets have existed. Yeah. You know, because they had an important role. The reason why middlemen exist is because, you know, if you're a car manufacturer, in order to get that car to the consumer,

Starting point is 00:10:38 it made sense to have middlemen that could take the car, sell them, and make it efficient so that the car manufacturers knew how many cars to make. And middlemen in return would make a profit for doing a service that was necessary. But when technology allows the middlemen to be cut out, the consumer benefits every time, because it's the cost that goes down, efficiency goes up, there's less waste. Producers now can make products more accurately. Like one of the worst things about being a producer of products is making too little or too much of a product.

Starting point is 00:11:13 That is a killer of well. It's also causing it to force these dealerships now to be more competitive with their pricing because everything is separated and it's very easy to see what's it's brilliant. It's perfect. I was telling her I'm like, you know, I'll be honest, for most of my driving career,

Starting point is 00:11:29 I have always bought my tires elsewhere than the dealership because it's like, they're fucking inflated, like crazy. They're not even the best tires. They're also bringing so much transparency to that entire process. So which everybody, you know, that knows, like when you go and you have an issue, it really is a

Starting point is 00:11:46 coin toss sometimes, whether or not this certain garage is going to have integrity in the way that they're going to handle this. Because somebody that's less educated about fixing their car, for instance, and they're trying to throw all these, it's your distributor cap, and it's this and that, and they're adding all these parts in there. We're going to also have to go in and it like really do you really have to add all that is that something that you know Your shop is gonna benefit from or I love it. It's something that's gonna benefit me and that is necessary I love it

Starting point is 00:12:17 I love technology for that main reason right there is just the you know of the problems, like I've said this before, in markets is the information problem, like not being able to get, the best information is accurately and as quickly as possible. And so there's a waste that happens as a result. And we've created all these systems and ways to try and become more and more efficient.

Starting point is 00:12:38 And it's become more and more efficient, but technology is totally rewriting the game. I'll give you guys an example. So I'm glad you went this way Adam because So Uber and this this is a this is a third rail topic, but it's really good Uber didn't hit nose lily. We love them. I'm the third rail dancer so so Uber has amazing You know analytics on their drivers how much they get paid,

Starting point is 00:13:05 what they're doing, and it's all technology-based, it's all unbiased. So it's not people controlling it, it's algorithms that determine how much you get paid, what you do, they keep track of everything. So Uber just put out this analysis of over 1.8 million drivers, okay, worldwide. So it's a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:13:27 And what we've heard a lot through politics lately, recently, and more recently, we dropped an episode where we had Matt Kibion, where we kind of touched on the gender pay gap, where men make something like, women make something like 77 cents for every dollar, and politicians have come out and said, oh, it's because of sexism and then economists have come out and said, no, it has nothing to do with that. It's actually other things. There's so much data, we have to break it down. So Uber came out with this algorithms or this data

Starting point is 00:13:57 and they found that through Uber, men make 7% more than women do. And so then they went deeper and deeper and deeper and broke down the data. men make 7% more than women do. And so then they went deeper and deeper and deeper and broke down the data. And the reason why they're making more money is because men are less likely to quit the platform. So they stay employed there longer,

Starting point is 00:14:14 which means as you're driving for Uber longer, you start to learn the systems and where to go and what times the drive to make yourself more money. And to respond. They're likely to drive a more lucrative areas and they drive faster. So with Uber, which is totally gender blind, color blind, it's all those things. It doesn't know man, women, whatever. The algorithm just determines your pair, whatever.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Men make 7% more and it's entirely because of the fact that men tend to stay longer like the turnover with women's much faster. When you read the article, was it presenting it like that or did it come from a bias thing? Oh no, no, because you can't argue with it. It's completely like, these are the numbers. It's objective numbers. So if there was a, because when you know when it's controlling it,

Starting point is 00:14:59 no one's hiring or firing, no one's telling you, you can't be a new driver. Anybody can technically be a new driver. So every man, every woman, every race, every creed has to be considered. So what you would think is, you know, are, you know, is it because men, you know, passengers are preferring women drivers? Is it? No, none of that is true.

Starting point is 00:15:14 Nothing that's happening. What's happening is, men's, like women have a much higher turnover with Uber. Men's stay longer. They drive more lucrative areas and they drive faster. And that's it. So it's fucking awesome. And I love this because what I hate so much is when when there's a statistic or situation that happens in society, politicians are so fast to jump on it to politicize it and divide us. And like numbers don't, they don't lie. And I mean, like if if if there really was a sexist,

Starting point is 00:15:45 and it's not like, I hate how it just becomes like one, it's like you're almost trying to like, swastle like, like this is, they're at a disadvantage or, you know, they're, you know, they're killing it because they're men or whatever. Like it's nothing to do with that. It's just all preferential.

Starting point is 00:15:59 Like how much I want to work, you know, all that kind of stuff. Well, it's just within the data. Yeah, and I mean, of course, they're not coming out and saying sexism doesn't exist because it does. And by the way, it exists on both sides. Just the way your initial perceptions on someone are based on a lot of things, sex being one of them.

Starting point is 00:16:14 So it does exist, but I think in the market, this is proving again that it plays, if it plays a role, it's a very minor role. And what plays the largest role is how much work you can do, how much I'm paying you, how much you're worth and that's, and for businesses obviously for companies are like, they're not going to look at people and be like, yeah, I'm going to pay you less because that's not going to be like, fuck, you know, I want the best person to do the best job and you don't care. Very interesting, right? And this came out from Uber. Super fascinating.

Starting point is 00:16:38 Which is funny, which, which, you know, and I enjoy, I enjoy this kind of stuff, I enjoy this kind of debate, but I like it when it's objective. You know, I mean, I don't know I agree Yeah, you guys see that Elon Musk in his car out and space dude those images are I love that. Yeah, I love that so cool. You know, I love that because in 2015 I think it was Neil the grassy I think is the last name Tyson Tyson said no private company will ever is the last name, Tyson. He'll be the guy who's Tyson. He said, no private company will ever get into orbit or whatever, like just talking shit.

Starting point is 00:17:08 It has to happen through the state. And here we go, SpaceX has proved them wrong. Oh, man. Fucking love it. Beautiful. And they did it cheaper, better, you know, with a better rocket that's more reusable that costs less money. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:17:22 Now what was it? No, I heard two of it. So the two, there it is right there. That's such a great. Put this car in orbit. Yeah. I'll fucking awesome with that. It's so crazy, dude.

Starting point is 00:17:30 It's so great. So what is it, is it coming back? What's the deal on it right now? Is it where, how long does it stay out? No, I think the car is always gonna stay out there. I found out mistaken. I think he launched it out there and he's leaving it out there.

Starting point is 00:17:40 And I think there's like a secret message on it. Oh, it's on route, It's on route to orbit Mars. And then the asteroid belt. What? Bro, you imagine it like some alien species finds this. That's so random. Oh shit. What is that?

Starting point is 00:17:56 How cool is that that he was able to do that? Really get a good view of that flatter. Oh, dude. So, so yesterday I get a, I get a text a text from my kid's parent, Mom, my ex. She's telling me, so my daughter went to the dentist to get... That was a tyrotic glare. That was about a funny foot to percent. My kid's parents.

Starting point is 00:18:15 My kid's mom. So, she's at the dentist to get a cavity filled. And she's telling me, like, oh, you know, your daughter's having a tough time right now with the dentist. And I'm like, well, you know, is she getting the laughing gas? Because the last time she went, they gave her the laughing gas. Have you ever kids got on the dentist yet with that?

Starting point is 00:18:34 They have with my wife. I didn't get to see it, but yeah, I always prefer the laughing gas, man. That's the best. I've never had it. Are you serious? No, what's it like? Oh, it's a lot of fun, dude. What's it like? Oh, you you serious? No, it's like so much fun. Oh, it's so much fun.

Starting point is 00:18:45 What's it like? Oh, you just, I mean. It's like being high. Yeah, I just get that like. It's like being super high. Chill of the old, you know. Yeah, oh man, dude. Everything's great.

Starting point is 00:18:53 So the last time my daughter went, they gave her the laughing gas and she got silly and goofy and so my ex took a video of it and sent it to me a while ago and we were laughing or whatever. So this time my daughter remembered the laughing gas, didn't want it. She didn't want it, didn't want to do it.

Starting point is 00:19:09 So they had to do shots, do all this different things. She had a really tough time with it. So I talked to my daughter about it and I'm like, you know, why didn't you, you know, it was her because you didn't get the laughing gas. I like, why didn't you like it? And she's like, I don't like to feel weird. So cool, my daughter daughters like to get high How it's funny?

Starting point is 00:19:30 This is a lot like a lot of drugs. This is why yeah, I actually you know imagine your kids like I love that Actually, it's funny because I'm getting my you know my teeth works on it. I know this This dentist friend of mine actually from high school and so I'm getting, you know, my teeth worked on it and I know this, this dentist friend of mine actually from high school and so I'm like, hey man, so you're gonna hook me up with that laughing gas, right? I'm already like trying to negotiate it at it time. So yeah, it's fun, man. It's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:19:56 It's pretty cool. So they, this study came out recently and I just read it in Scientific American, which is a great online publication, where they found that they did a study and they're doing these interesting studies where they're doing fake surgeries and then looking at the results. Oh, you posted in the forum, I saw this. And then looking at the results afterwards. What?

Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah. So what they'll do is like somebody will go with like knee pain and they'll take groups of people and on one side they'll actually do the knee procedure and in the other group they won't do the knee procedure and in many cases the results are the same afterwards. The people afterwards who get the fake surgery are like wow this feels really good you know my knee feels better and they're not showing a different. So powerful did they did one with a stint in the let me read it right here. So what are they called? I think it's called a stint that they put in orders where they found through the study

Starting point is 00:20:50 that putting stints don't reduce chest pain. And they did this with men where they went in and then didn't do anything. And afterwards they felt just as much relief as the people who actually got the procedure. How can they, how can they even do a study like that? I know, does it seem ethical? Right, does he, ethical, I'd be so angry at you. I just went in to go get my son. You can find that out later.

Starting point is 00:21:11 So check this out. Just kidding. Just kidding. We didn't do anything. So check this out. In the sham procedure, I should be happy about that. Listen to that. Listen to how they did this.

Starting point is 00:21:20 In the sham procedure, a catheter was directed to the blockage, but the surgeon pretended to do the rest. The astonishing finding, there was no difference in how patients felt six weeks after the surgery. Wow. Both groups reported less pain and both performed better on treadmill tests. Not even just a percept, not even just a subjective, I feel better, but I'm doing better on the mind is a powerful, powerful tool. What does that tell you, man?

Starting point is 00:21:45 That's crazy. What is that tell you? What was the study size? I don't know, let me see. I didn't know it was a legit, I can't. Yeah, I don't know. I do people. We did this with two people, this is what we found.

Starting point is 00:21:55 We fucked with Johnny. I don't know, man. It's really points to how powerful your belief is, you know, and how you feel. points to, it really points to how powerful your belief is, you know, and how you feel. I mean, what does that say right there? I mean, that's, yeah, exactly. And it just goes to show, dude, like, you know, like I've had that argument for so long.

Starting point is 00:22:19 It's like, if you really truly believe in it, like there is power in that. And that's why you can't, I don't know, we kind of skirt around talking about some people with certain beliefs and religious beliefs and whatever kind of beliefs you have, but man, it really does like impact you in so many ways that even physically it manifests.

Starting point is 00:22:39 It's like if you ever doubt it that your mind and how you believe, you feel and how you believe, you heal plays any kind of a role, like these studies are objective and they're proving it 100%. And the placebo effect, we know it's so powerful that when you do a study, you have to account for it. Like the gold standard for studies are,

Starting point is 00:23:03 you know, double blind, meaning the tester and the testee or the, you know, the subject and the tester don't know if they're getting a real or, or pretend treatment. And that it's placebo controlled. In other words, some are fake and some are real. You have to have placebo controlled because it's so powerful. But what they're showing in these studies is when they, the more they do to convince you that it was real, the more powerful it is. See, you say I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:23:29 That's what I think is why that was so successful, because they actually had surgery. They actually, exactly. And, well, what's interesting to, having they tried that too with hypnosis, and it's like they have like some success, they have some not, but like, because they're actually like doing performing surgery, whereas they're telling them they did some not, but because they're actually doing performing surgery, whereas they're telling them they did do surgery, but they did it. And they have a scar, they got cut.

Starting point is 00:23:51 Yeah. So they think, oh, I definitely had surgery. Like, how insane is that? That's a trip though, that they did that still can't believe it. And think about this way, like, if you'll, here we are, like how many of our problems and issues that we have in our lives, that we think are other things that are uncontrollables, outside forces, outside things that are affecting

Starting point is 00:24:12 us. And then we get confirmation from those things. You go to the doctor and the doctor is like, oh yeah, I see that you have knee pain and then we notice here on this imaging that there may be some Issues with your knee or whatever so now you're confirming you know how you feel or whatever They put like fake X-rays up there and like this is what we see in here And you know they mean like you could really mess with somebody like and manipulate the way that they Perceive like what's going on? It's it's so crazy, which is why I mean we, we've all trained people for a long time. I mean, for over a decade and a half, and I've did it for almost two decades.

Starting point is 00:24:49 And what do we always say on the show? Like, the psychological aspect of training? The most of the trouble. It's like 99% of it is that. Well, this only works, though, in like certain cases, because if someone has like a legitimate, like they they fucking broke their femur right and you go ahead and you go like you know hey this will be a step in on right we have ten ten people broke their femur and we're only

Starting point is 00:25:13 gonna actually fix five of them but we're gonna see what happens the other five are fucked well fucking placebo effect your not your right you're right a hundred percent right but I think it plays a role so there are other studies that I've read where when people are sick or when they have, you know, they have an illness or an injury, having people pray over them or for them or when they themselves are believers in something and they pray that they objectively speaking heal faster. Like literally a disease will go away faster or a bone will heal faster because of the belief. So although a broken femur or something would require surgery or something to repair it,

Starting point is 00:25:56 I think how you feel and how you believe about it will impact how fast that heals or how well I think I think in 2018 that Justin and I are going to bring you on the team Jesus. That's what I think too. Team fire is a proof. I mean, I bought a shirt for Justin because you're not a part of team Jesus, but I feel like this year, I kind of feel like you might be coming part of team Jesus real soon. You know I'm rebellious.

Starting point is 00:26:23 He's there for you. The harder you push, you know what I apart of Team Jesus, real soon. You know I'm rebellious, he's there for you. The harder you push, you know what I'm saying? The more, I'm not, well, I'll be the one, Justin, I ain't pushing anything, bro. It's just kind of happening. I never, it kind of seems to be unfolding.

Starting point is 00:26:33 I'll be the one where like, I'll be at home, something like Jesus will come down. He's like, I'm the person, bro. I'm the person. Yeah, yeah, we knew. I'll be like, we were waiting for you. Like, what the hell did I just eat? I took too much acid.

Starting point is 00:26:47 God damn. No, so, oh, dude, speaking of speaking of which religion. So I'm at my, my son's basketball game. You know, they go to my kids go to Catholic school. So they're playing other Catholic schools and it's kid. It's getting heated. The game's getting intense and, you know, one of the kids kept fouling someone, you know, one of the kids kept fouling

Starting point is 00:27:09 someone, you know, kids in our team and the ref gets all like, he got mad at the kid and he's like, do you want to play basketball or not? Like, you got mad at the kid. Like, stop doing fouls, like, whatever. So this kept having to back it forth. And I got like one of our, like, it was like, it was like the end of the half or whatever. And one of our kids goes to shoot and it would have, it would have put us in the lead or whatever. And we missed. And I'm in the middle of the half or whatever. And one of our kids goes to shoot and it would have put us in the lead or whatever. And we missed and I'm in the middle of the fucking, right in the Catholic school, you know, two Catholic teams, it's all nice and quiet, everybody's excited and Saliel's God damn it.

Starting point is 00:27:35 Oh, you did, I did. I did. I did. I did. How many people turned around at my time? I did, dude. How many people turned around at my time? Well, God damn it.

Starting point is 00:27:43 And then my ex was there watching and she looks at me. And I'm like, I thought immediately, like I should have said, fuck, that would have been so much better. It would have been better. You'd have gone off. Yeah, a lot better with that. Yeah, everybody looked at me like, you know, he didn't. Everybody slides like a couple of feet away from you. No, once a synth. Bro, I already get, I already get looks because before the game, it started before the game get started Before the game get started both teams do the what is it called the Lord's Prayer? Whatever. Yeah, I do yeah, it's Catholic schools right so they all do the Lord's Prayer while they're doing that I'm always on my phone working and I always notice parents lick his everybody's like doing you know doing the crowd

Starting point is 00:28:17 Everybody's looking every like motherfucker get off your boat Yeah, so great. My mom was in his bed is that but like One time I was like visiting with one of my friends went to his church and like, I had my ringtone was ACDC, you know? And so somebody called me, I forgot to like, silence my phone, this is like during the middle of a prayer, they just prayed over somebody who got like baptized, right?

Starting point is 00:28:39 And it's like, banyin, you hell of baa! Oh shit! You know, I was like, oh shit, I'm trying to like turn it off. And I just literally got up and I ran out and then I didn't come back. Never again, no. You know, it's fast.

Starting point is 00:28:54 That was the move. We're sharing embarrassing moments right now, right? So I have one for you guys that I just, I just like had revisited yesterday. So I don't know if you guys saw, I posted a picture of Katrina when we were up at that lodge and it just the lighting and the moment was really, really cool and I want it painted. So I'm like, oh, is the one you posted?

Starting point is 00:29:15 Right, right. That's a nice picture because you got your dog in it. You got your dog. Right. And it's actually really cool because at that moment we're actually listening to Jordan Peterson's book where I'm sitting by a fire. I'm having coffee. She's sitting there just'm sitting by a fire. I'm having coffee. She's in there

Starting point is 00:29:25 Just a nice time. Yeah, very very memorable moment for me and so I want to get it painted and it's a beautiful picture, right? so I'm I'm been talking a lot about paintings and artists and looking and then I've got a ton of DMs By the way, thank you all the people that have sent out there. I'm looking for Something specific right so when you can paint it like spot onto what it looks like. And so I've got all these people talking to me and I've been talking all about painting and it reminded me of a very embarrassing moment

Starting point is 00:29:51 that I had with Katrina when we first started dating. In fact, it was the first year we were together and I'll never forget this because I had sold my house and moved in with Katrina and I didn't have the typical bachelor pad. I've always been a guy into nice things and my house was decorated nice. I had, like another typical bachelor pad, right?

Starting point is 00:30:11 My walls had stuff on it and there was everything went together and matched. Katrina had like the bachelor pad when I moved it. Like nothing on any walls, like nothing matched anything and the furniture and stuff like that. It was just so, it was fun. So I used to tease her about it all the time. Well, my first Christmas that I'm with her family,

Starting point is 00:30:31 where it's the first time I've been with her immediate family and then her extended family all together. So they get together 20 plus people and we're all having a good time. And so I think this was seven years ago when we first met. And I'm telling, her brothers are teasing her about how she's the tomboy, and I'm talking about how I've domesticated her since I've moved in and this and that. And I'm joking about her walls, and I make this comment that,

Starting point is 00:30:55 oh yeah, when I first got in there, like literally all of her walls are barracks except for one shitty painting that she has on the wall. Her brother fucking, oh you said shit. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh brother fucking... No, you said shit. Oh, no. Her brother painted that for her and gave it to her as a gift. And it's like this splatter paint, right? It's like all these colors, you know? And I guess it's a cool painting,

Starting point is 00:31:16 but it just doesn't go with anything in her house, and it's just in this random wall. And I'm just saying it in conversation, like having a good time, and he's there, and and I say that and just felt like a piece of shit To this day like every time and I love them like I have a great relationship with them He's been around a million times now, but every time I see him I think about that and I think I know it's funny when you have those moments You have they don't go away in your mind. And every time you think about them, don't you relive the fears?

Starting point is 00:31:46 Yes, yeah. Just talk, don't you get, don't you get the story right? Got that moment. I just, I wanted to crawl, crawl back. There's a bit of a hole. I have one moment that I might have shared this on the show a long time ago,

Starting point is 00:31:57 but I have one moment that if I had an ability to rewind time, it would be to erase this one moment. I wouldn't go back to doing, I wouldn't do anything good for humanity or anything. I would literally just erase this embarrassing moment. I had a client who was, I don't know, 77 years old, so older woman, very wonderful, pleasant, nice lady.

Starting point is 00:32:20 We were friends. Her name was Meg, loved, trainier. We'd have these great conversations, very intelligent, but there were very, she was from that generation. I was younger. You know, we didn't talk about anything that would have been inappropriate. It was like I was talking to, you know,

Starting point is 00:32:37 my grandma or something like that. So we had great conversations, but we just, I'm in custom front of her. I was very respectful. You know, it was very nice, very conservative. We talked about my family, my kids, whatever. And so I had gotten this, this app on my iPad, that was really cool, where people use them all the time now, but it had just come out where you can pull up the skeleton of the human skeleton, and I could pull up and I can show muscles on it,

Starting point is 00:33:06 individual muscles, I could show insertions, origins. I could rotate the body. It's a great tool for personal trainers. So we're sitting there talking, and I've been training her now for a few years, and her image of me, she used to tell me, oh my God, Salah, if I had a daughter your age, and if you were single because I was married at the time,

Starting point is 00:33:24 I didn't introduce you, you're such a good kid, you're such a daughter your age and if you were single because I was married at the time, I didn't introduce you, you're such a good kid, you're such a good boy, what a good man, I wish more, so she had no idea that I was also, you know, I also was a filthy fucker, like I'd say normal sharkness. She thought, yeah, she just like thought I was like the golden child, right?

Starting point is 00:33:38 She referred to me as that, so she had this total image of me. So we're talking and she had a little bit of pain in her back and I'm talking about her QL. And she's like, where's that muscle? I'm trying to explain like, you know what? Let me show you, I have on my iPad, I have this app. It's really where I can show you the muscle. So I pull up my iPad and it's,

Starting point is 00:33:56 oh my God, tell me, porn hub pops up right away or something. Bro, no way. Bro, we're both looking at my iPad. What pops up? We're both looking at my iPad. I, you know, I hit swipe the bottom to open it and try my code boom Straight up filthiest porn yes, and your life

Starting point is 00:34:15 Bro big screen like yes, dude Like on pause like it was a video. Oh, it's so that's even worse On pause like it was a video. Oh, it's so that's even worse I can't you stop to go master bait and you left it up on your home It was like bro. It was like from days ago. It must have been from days ago And the worst thing yeah closes out and the worst the worst thing is when you're the history the worst bro You know, I don't even think about that must have been a good one bro You don't even think of hold on hold on so I open it and it's the, it's the moment. That's one of those ones.

Starting point is 00:34:47 It was such a good porky win. You win, you win, you fucking master bait. You had a cigarette and freaking relax. It took a shower. I forgot all about the, I forgot all the, I'm not the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the , I'm the, yeah. No, no, no, no. It was, it was, it was, so this is how bad it was, right?

Starting point is 00:35:00 So it was, so the video comes up and this video itself is pretty large because it takes out most of the screen, but in the corner, suggestions of videos, which are always terrible or typically worse. And it's the last video I watched and for anybody who ever looks at porn, okay, which is most people listening, you know the, you can all relate, I'm sure. There is a sequence of how bad the porn gets and the one you end with is always the worst. It's never the one you start with. The one you start with is always real soft. The one you end with is the terrible. So that's the fucking one that was safe. So I open up the iPad, it pops up and I fucking quickly try to close it out and I close it out.

Starting point is 00:35:37 But between me opening it, hercing it, me closing it out was maybe two seconds. Okay, but two seconds is plenty of time for you to see what is on there. So I close it out and then- Did you say anything? You're just trying to act like nothing to sound. So this anatomy app's really involved. So they show everything.

Starting point is 00:35:58 They changed some things this the last time I went in. So my instinct was- Played on your son? No. Yeah, he was like five at the time. My instinct, he played me on my wife at the time. Oh shit, that must have been a worse freak. She's into that stuff. My instinct was to, I was so embarrassed and so shocked that I literally in my mind convinced myself

Starting point is 00:36:21 it didn't happen. I just pretended it didn't happen. She just like threw it like a frisbee like, oh, demon! You know, that's what I would have done. Or yelled across the gym, whose iPad is this? Who was using my iPad last? So I did, so I pretend like it didn't happen.

Starting point is 00:36:36 She never said anything, I never said anything. Oh, there was no conversation. Nobody said anything. Oh, I'll awkward, bro. It was like, it was like if you fart in public and you know, or you fart and when you're on a date And then everybody pretends like it didn't happen and then everybody's sitting in it the whole time and they're just looking at you So nobody said nothing. Oh, that's hilarious. Until this day, bro

Starting point is 00:36:55 Just talking like right now have to take off my jacket some sweatin It was the worst and especially because this woman she thought so nicely of me. That's the worst part Yeah, no, those are like that reminds me of the painting thing. It's just like, there's nothing you can come back from that. How could I lie to cover that up? Yeah, you just can't. It's just all that. Let's just move on from this conversation,

Starting point is 00:37:15 pretend like it ever happened. That's not porn, what are you talking about? I can't, I'm not a fucking Jedi. Right. I can't do that shit on her. It was so bad, dude, so bad. Justin, how do you feel from the, I gave, what you, right, right about now, should be kicking in. I mean, I, I feel like I'm on her. It was so bad dude, so bad. Justin, how do you feel from the, I gave you what you do?

Starting point is 00:37:25 Right about now, should be kicking in. I mean, I feel like I'm on fire. I feel like everything is coming to me very clearly and I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Lion's main dude. Right, right on. Lion's main.

Starting point is 00:37:36 Oh, you've got him body and I think. The four-sigmatic lion's main. Did you take it straight or did you just take it with a shooter? He's a man. Oh man, I'm not a little kid. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I can handle I'm not a little kid. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:45 You are really, like I can handle stuff that tastes a little funky. You know, I'm then for, for performance. Someone in the forum, did you see that someone in the forum about the Ashruganda? Yeah. So someone in the forum was like, hey, I got the Ashruganda that you took out and they're like, it's not bad, bad. I put it in my heart. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:00 It's so underneath that pile, like Adam's like the kid, you know. Yeah. I caught it on that too. Yeah. He was making some strong coffee, bro. It's an Ashruganda. I got fucking, I'm like Adam's like a kid. I call him that too. You must make some strong coffee, bro. Cause I'm not sure God, I got fucking, I put it in some. Well that's how I always took my coffee too. I mean I almost go to straight tar, you know, like sometimes just because like, I just want that boost, I want that feeling because like, you know, and so it's, you know,

Starting point is 00:38:20 intermittently I'll do that where it's just like, ah, you know, this is going to do well for me, but the taste is a little, so does ah, you know, this is gonna do well for me But the taste a little so does it make you feel this is a lion's man you took right? Lions man does the lion's mane give you more is it more cognitive? Or do you actually feel like an energy like almost like caffeine? What does it feel like it's more of a cognitive boost like I feel like I can retain Your trophic and yeah more like a new tropic you know what it feels like it's subtle it's subtle, but you feel I Notice when I talk so if I drink something like a lion's mane, it's similar to, you know how when you get caffeine,

Starting point is 00:38:48 forget the energy of the caffeine. So let's just imagine that doesn't happen, but you know when you have caffeine, and then all of a sudden you feel like you can speak more clearly and sharply. This is how I've been doing all the whole over a couple of days, because I don't know if you notice, I've been drinking, I haven't drank our cold brew in forever.

Starting point is 00:39:04 So I think we talked maybe a week or two ago, I had kind of came down on my coffee intake. Oh, sure. And I've been really low. I have noticed. Yeah, and I just been drinking my one cup in the morning was all, and sometimes not even that. And so recently I've been letting myself kind of ramp it up

Starting point is 00:39:18 a little bit, and I've been enjoying it like during some of our interviews and episodes. And I, you know, it's so awesome. Those receptors, yeah, when you've kind of taken it down for a little bit and then reintroduce it, I really feel the difference, but let's string that together for two weeks straight and I guarantee it won't have that feeling. It loses its effect.

Starting point is 00:39:35 Absolutely. Yeah, so the thing about lion's mane, is lion's mane has been shown to increase BDNF, brain derived, Neuotropic Factor, which is a hormone or chemical in the brain that promotes the growth of brain cells in the connection between the connections that you make with thoughts and stuff like that. So, it definitely has a short-term effect, but theoretically, it should have a long-term

Starting point is 00:40:03 effect as well, versus caffeine, which the short-term effect is the fact that it increases circulating chemicals in the brain through blocking the re-uptake. So it gives you that feeling, but then over time you start to adapt to it and then it stops working. That's what I'm interested in to see the rest of this day, how that goes, because this morning I definitely had a cup of coffee that I had the lines made, so, you know, it's all kind of kicking in just now. So we'll see how long it's staying. You know what would be cool to have here because you guys had to do it at home is,

Starting point is 00:40:31 Doug, you should get, when you get the next time, I'm gonna put up, you know what? Maybe Thrive Market has this. Could you look and see if Thrive has one of those plug-in electrical pots that would be so perfect for here? For how long? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I have one at home. I love them I know I had one too and I don't have one anymore I like my last that's a great idea because then we can brew yeah, we could brew it with a with a French press right here Uh-huh. Yeah, so let's let's do it. I mean, I'm gonna tea. Yeah, that's right

Starting point is 00:40:56 That's right. I'm thinking the chaga right now and the lion's mane is what I'm thinking about and but I mean Absolutely, we could do coffee. We do a lot of things. That's such a great little tool Excellent and I wouldn't be surprised if Thrive's been a Thrive. Is it, are we on boxing today? Is today on boxing day? Yeah, we are. We are on a box. Oh, who's turning it?

Starting point is 00:41:10 Anyway, before we get into that, one more thing I wanted to cover with you guys before I forgot, because this is a big, this is a big thing. This is a big thing. Holy moly. Someone posted this in the forum, this is a study that was,

Starting point is 00:41:20 this is a systematic review or a meta analysis and meta regression of the effect of protein supplementation on resistance training induced gains in muscle mass and strength in healthy adults. This was published in 2017, so it's a new one. So a meta analysis or review is basically taking a lot of different studies and getting aggregate and then trying to see what they come up with.

Starting point is 00:41:43 These are the best. These are the gold standard because individual studies can sometimes... Large groups of people. Yeah, so what is the review of all of these studies, right? So in this conclusion was that dietary protein supplementation significantly enhanced changes in muscle strength and size in healthy adults. The amount that they found that got the results or the maximum amount was 1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight.

Starting point is 00:42:12 No further gains were induced with any more protein. So what we've been saying, 0.6, 0.7 grams per pound of body weight is the upper limit. Any more than that, and these studies show no more benefits. Just excess. Yes, and this is a study. You know, on this note, to somebody tagged me, it tagged you also, I think, on, and I get tagged all the time.

Starting point is 00:42:32 There's always somebody, when it's a counter, to kind of what we've been saying about the overconsumption of protein. And this was a big page that was basically saying, like, can we stop demonizing protein? It's completely healthy to eat high protein. And then they show 2.2 per kilogram. And I'm like, that's one gram. Yeah, that's not high you guys. Like that's not high.

Starting point is 00:42:53 That's not what they're fucking. That's not what my company is. There's bodybuilders that are doing fucking two to three times body weight, okay? Which mean per pound, not per kilogram, they're per pound. It's totally fucking different. And I imagine most of the, you know, where it's like the most problematic is,

Starting point is 00:43:08 is within like the way proteins and these, these protein powders that are highly processed and you know, like on top of the excess of having more protein, it's also all that excess. Right, well, I'd like to see you get that much from food food. Well, it's hard that is. And I've, I've pushed, I told people, I've, I've pushed somewhere between, especially in compete right now, I'm like 0.5, food. Well, it's so hard that it is. And I've pushed, I told people, I've pushed somewhere between,

Starting point is 00:43:25 especially in competing right now, I'm like 0.5, 0.6, if that right now, I'm very low right now approaching and taking. But when I'm trying to build aggressively or competing, I'm between one and 1.5 per pound of body weight, okay, which is right in that range, and that's on the upper limits of it. So when you see these studies where people say the 2.2 per kilogram, that's about the upper limits of it. So when you see these studies where people say

Starting point is 00:43:45 the 2.2 per kilogram, that's about the same thing. One to 1.5, that would be considered the upper end, completely healthy, we believe, not needed excess. You don't need it. I could be switching it off for things like that. And when it goes back to optimizing and adapting and like that kind of like mentality, like you know, you intermittently might,

Starting point is 00:44:01 you know, increase your protein intake when you're trying to build, but you know, you got to understand like what's what's healthy and what's the limitation. Well, two things. First, when they do studies on high protein, you're right to add them. They don't use the ridiculous amounts that some people have before, but they also do the studies for like a year or two. People do it for, I think, just one was six months, to be honest.

Starting point is 00:44:20 People do them for a very, very, very long time and context matters. So in the context of inflammation or not ideal health, super high protein may not be a good idea. In fact, it may be pro inflammatory pro cancer. And I tell you what, if you don't believe me, try it, eat over two grams per pound of body weight in just food and then report to me how your digestion is. Yeah. Most people.

Starting point is 00:44:47 How's your gas? Yeah, not everybody. I'm sure some people have the digestive systems of a fucking, you know, a bison. Right, right now. But most people are gonna have digestives. You can't tell me it's good for you. You just can't, so.

Starting point is 00:44:57 All right, let's open that box. Let's get to the box. Who's thrive market order is that? Mine. Oh, it's Dougie. Let's see what you got in here, dude. I hope it's macadamia not some wonder. I hope it's original.

Starting point is 00:45:09 You guys are big fans. I like when you guys do stuff that we haven't seen yet. Like it's cool when we see different stuff come up here. Because I'm always surprised by what Thrive carries so many different products that I would never guest. Well, let's see here. We have some eat cleaner products. Oh, you got some of our stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:26 Yeah, that's good for an of ours. This is like a foreshadowing of things to come. Do you know if we're going to have an affiliate setup with her before that episode goes up here? Do you know anything? Yeah. Oh, it's going to be all taken care of. Okay, cool.

Starting point is 00:45:38 So eat cleaner is a product that you wash your vegetables and fruits with and it takes, gets sort of, kind of, kind of fun. The interview I believe goes up this weekend, right, Doug? Yeah. On Sunday, yeah. Yeah, so Sunday you guys hear about the C the CEO of Eat Cleaner awesome awesome topic and then we'll also have a link in affiliate code for you guys. So I've taken a page out of Justin's book I've gotten some Dr. Bronner's

Starting point is 00:45:56 hand soap. We had this here before. I love this stuff. It's amazing. I'm gonna leave one of these here. I got to now Now, something I want to highlight about this, it's a Thrive Market $6.75. I bought a bottle of this at Whole Foods, $9.99. Wow, that's a big difference, dude. And then Adam inspired the maple syrup. Oh, I just tried that to the day. It's good.

Starting point is 00:46:20 I tried Market Brand. I'm on the pancakes, man. Protein pancakes. Bacon pancakes, bacon bacon. Sorry. That Bacon pancakes, bacon, bacon, sorry. That's a little reference to a great cartoon. So Thrive Market has their own bone broth. I love that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:32 So I got a couple of those. I got beef and I got chicken. Now Doug, you're kind of the chef out of all of us. When you drink or use bone broth, do you typically make it in some sort of a brewer stew, or do you just do it by itself? How do you know? In general, I just throw a little bit of salt in it and just drink it.

Starting point is 00:46:45 That's what I do. However, if you wanna make something tasty like a, was it Tom Yong-Goon or something like that, some Thai type soup. Tom Yong-Goon? Tom Ka-Gai. Wow. I wouldn't even know where to start.

Starting point is 00:46:55 Do you know what it's good with rice? So instead of cooking your rice and water, it's a very bone broth. It's really good. Interesting. I'm gonna try that. And then the last thing I believe, if I remember correctly, since it's been a while,

Starting point is 00:47:10 is I got something actually for the studio. It's a seventh generation disinfectant spray. It's all kind of natural eucalyptus, spearmen, and thyme. Ooh, you're really fun. Now we have a guest here, and we have microphones, and headsets. Yeah, pass it around. Thank you I need all over my studio so that we can make everything, you know, kind of disinfect pass that I want to smell that

Starting point is 00:47:32 Yeah, yeah try it out. I want to wait. Hold on. I'm a Smirron you put it on your armpits. I like that child protect. I like the red Stay authentic shirt, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I thought they came out really well. I think are they prosel yet? Yeah, they're up on our store right now. Actually, we're already ready for our new print that's coming out next. You know what I don't think what I think a lot because we're in the process of still fixing this right, so we're still converting from Big Cartel over to Shopify. So when you go on our website, it looks like we only have two or three of these old shirts. So you actually have to click on one of the shirts that you probably aren't even interested in and then that takes you over to big cartel

Starting point is 00:48:10 Where you can see there's a ton of shirts that I think a lot of people don't even know that we have out. That's a good point I'm glad you brought that so we have is only like three like you'll see like the Zelda shirt And you'll see like you know two other examples But definitely just go in there and then you'll see all our new prints that are coming out. So we got new ones coming out soon Yep, and then we got see all our new prints that are coming out. So we got new ones coming out soon. Yep. And then we got some new, we got a new program coming out. We can. That's all I'm going to say on this episode.

Starting point is 00:48:32 Just to just realize there's a new maps coming out pretty soon. Get excited. This is for a member. You're going to learn about it. Oh yeah, for members, if you're in the forum, you'll find out very soon. Wow, this spray. You'll get a discount. This smell good spray is even, it's called seventh generation,

Starting point is 00:48:48 and this disinfectant is even safe to be sprayed on food. Oh wow. Not that I would've received it. You can spray your eyeball, try it. You can call it. You can burn it. Look at me, I'll call it. Ah!

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Starting point is 00:49:26 O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from Nicolay Dolenco. How do you target a health conscious audience for your online and offline products? You are obviously not the typical pro split, abs and biceps kind of coaches, but that's exactly the way people think about fitness, and that's what they primarily seek. So how do you find and reach out to more health and longevity-oriented clients? Great question.

Starting point is 00:49:58 Yeah, so the way I interpret it, I'm just gonna try and figure that out, that's tough, that's tough, not to crack. It is, I think the way I interpret this question is, how do we talk about health and longevity to an audience that's just receptive to you? They're just, well, we're just really interested in just changing how they look and they wanna get fit

Starting point is 00:50:17 and they wanna get lean and they wanna look sexy or whatever. And that's a good question because I think if you can figure that out, man, you have really done a great job in, in, in, in fitness because it's sexy to, it's very effective to tell people, look better, be leaner, be sexier, lose weight, lose fat, and not talk about that other stuff

Starting point is 00:50:40 because it's not nearly as marketable. I think one of the ways that I've tried to communicate it is I've tried to really communicate to people, you know, personally, and also all of us do this on the show, I think pretty well, or at least we're trying to, is to let people know that they're not separate and that if you focus on being on health, if you focus on true total health, you'll get a great deal of the other stuff

Starting point is 00:51:08 that you're really interested in or the stuff that really pulls to you which is looking better, being leaner, being more muscular. Well, I think it's also a lot of blind faith on our part as disruptors in the industry and belief that we truly believe that what you just said in this question is going to change. I think that's the old way, and I think that that's how most people thought, because that's how you've been marketed to and you've been sold for years. But as people start to figure things out

Starting point is 00:51:37 and as the show Mind Pump continues to grow and our message spreads and other influencers start to adopt that same message, you're going to see more and more of this and it's not gonna be that difficult. Right now it's difficult because I believe that we're part of the people that are moving it in that direction. But look at that tip of the spear sort of, you know, we're the tip. We're just the tip. Well, you haven't got all of it yet.

Starting point is 00:51:57 An example, I can think of when you're just talking about this in our intro is Uber. I think before long people will laugh, oh my God, we used to take taxis. Like why would we ever do that when we could ride share with Uber? Yeah. It's such an obvious solution to a fucking, an old barnacle way of doing things.

Starting point is 00:52:17 And we believe that to be with fitness, an old barnacle way of thinking is the old typical bros split, market to you about your insecurities and it's the same bullshit that ever, and then attach a supplement to it and make you feel like you need that. And so I get a residual on you every single month.

Starting point is 00:52:32 That is the way that you made money in fitness forever. And we believe it's so fucking wrong that it's, once people adopt what we're trying to, the message that we're trying to deliver, which is eat whole foods, take care of your body, be healthy, and as a byproduct, you're probably going to look pretty fucking good. I think that this will become the dominant message.

Starting point is 00:52:53 Well, people forget why we are interested. Why do we have a natural affinity for aesthetics? Or why does aesthetics even exist? Like if I show you there are definite signal yes there are definite features that we can identify in people that make them physically attractive right so you know it could be you know strong looking upper body good posture healthy skin relatively lean you know good, good movement. These things, we naturally find aesthetic and the problem is we tend to just focus on

Starting point is 00:53:31 that rather than realizing that the reason why we find those attractive in the first place is because they are very visible signals of good health. That's why we like them and we don't like them for no fucking reason. It's like we just invented a reason to like the way people look. Those are natural primitive understandings of something that's much deeper, which is good health. So when we understand that, we know that, I mean, look, I love doing this to people. I'll tell them this all time. I'll say, look, close your eyes and imagine what, imagine yourself in perfect, total perfect health

Starting point is 00:54:09 or good health. Imagine good mental health, emotional health, and physical health, where you're taking care of your body, you're eating the right things, you're doing the right movement, you get the right amount of sleep and sunshine and you're doing everything good and you're just very, very healthy.

Starting point is 00:54:22 Now, what does that look like physically? Physically, what does that representation of all that look like? And most people will tell you, oh, well, I'm relatively lean. I've got good strength. I've got good movement. My skin looks good. I just fucking look good. I mean, everything really comes from that. Even makeup, even when women put makeup on, makeup is designed to make you look healthy. Blush is designed to give you a natural color to your face. I mean, you could even go even further and look at cosmetic surgery,

Starting point is 00:54:54 and you could sort of look at, this is all a fabricated signal that you're putting out. I'm trying to look as healthy, or these evolutionary things, certain breast size, the way that you're hips, the ratio and all these types of things that we're trying to sculpt our body to portray, whereas we're getting, this is all just a fabrication. This is all false signal to where the internally, the health there just does not match.

Starting point is 00:55:28 Well, think of it this way. If we can create the illusion of health through false signaling, for example, put someone on anabolic steroids, put them on a severely restricted diet, do all these different things to try to create this aesthetic appeal, which is really just signaling health, that typically, for most people, will never be quite as attractive as when it's real, right?

Starting point is 00:55:58 Like, we all know that person who looks good but kind of looks fake, that doesn't look as good, instinctively we know this, doesn't look as good as when it's a natural representation of health. So when we look at both of them, when we look at the fake representation of health, you might look better through all these different things that you could do with your body,

Starting point is 00:56:19 because again, it's sending out a fake signal, but you've also at the same time got poor health, maybe even poor emotional mental health and that's what's pushing you in that direction. Now think of the alternative. What if I focused on my health? Now not only am I gonna look good, I'll probably look better,

Starting point is 00:56:36 but what's even better about that is I also have good health to go along with it. Now I've got the whole package. And so when I, and this is true for older people, younger people, for everybody. You know, I've seen, I've seen a quite a few examples of people who are in advanced age who don't, you know, do lots of stuff to their hair

Starting point is 00:57:00 where lots of makeup, you know, don't have lots of procedures, but they're very fit, they're very healthy. Emotionally, they take care of themselves with food and exercise, they're active to get plenty of sunshine. And although they don't have the fake appearance of aesthetics, when you look at them and you're around them, they're extremely attractive. It's vibrant.

Starting point is 00:57:16 They're vibrant and it's hard to put words to what that real attraction looks and feels like. This is, I'll use the example of anabolic steroids, for example, like men will take steroids because they want to build muscle. Part of the reason why they want to build muscle maybe to make them feel, you know, to solve some insecurities.

Starting point is 00:57:33 And part of it may be to appear more attractive to women. But if we push that to the extreme, there definitely are women that like, that say they like men who are all super pushed out in terms of anabolic steroids, super shredded, super muscular. But the vast majority of women, just from a physical perspective, would choose the naturally fit and lean individual. And we'll go in the opposite direction.

Starting point is 00:58:00 When we look at women, for example, when you're healthy, you are lean, but you're not shredded. Shredded doesn't really appear to be that aesthetic and attractive because it's not healthy. And if you, and you'll notice this, when you go, look, you talk to a bikini competitor or a figure competitor, ask them how attractive they think they look on the day of their competition. Now, forget their physique, they're getting judged

Starting point is 00:58:22 on extremes, but they themselves don't have that same aesthetic appeal because they're not healthy. Same thing with male competitors. You know, you go to a, I've been to a couple shows now, since starting the show with Mind Pump, because Adam competed, we'd go to these shows and you look at the faces of these competitors, man and women, and it doesn't look good.

Starting point is 00:58:42 They look unhealthy, looks terrible. Well, getting back to that question on how do we reach out to more health and longevity oriented clients? A lot of that is us connecting with other companies that have a similar message as we do, like the thrive markets, like the organifi, like the califlyar foods, like the Jason Phillips. A lot of the partnerships and really eat cleaner

Starting point is 00:59:03 we were talking about earlier. I mean, these are all companies that if you're, if, if they, and they've obviously are established, have a pretty nice size network that they're in successful business themselves. So those people that are attracted to those types of products are probably more likely open to the message that we have to give to people too because we don't we're not appealing as much to the like we would not we wouldn't do so well like partnering up with like you know a gack supplements or going to like a muscle fitness magazine like those that isn't our demographic of people we're looking for the people that have maybe gone and done that before and are seeking more and want health and are going that direction, which partnering up and sharing and talking with companies that have similar types of message and maybe related type of the related field, but not exactly the same thing, right? So I think that's a great...

Starting point is 00:59:55 Which is really hard to find. Yeah, it was. And especially the beginning. This has taken some time to really wait for the market to kind of respond and start to actually create these types of businesses where we're like, oh cool, finally somebody else that kind of gets the direction of where things need to go. And it's a matter of time, but you just got to stay consistent

Starting point is 01:00:17 with your message and then look out for those. Look out for those opportunities to find businesses. Like we've been slowly trying to align ourselves with it. It's becoming cool, which is more good than bad. There's some bad to that too because once it becomes cool to talk about health and longevity, then you're going to see all the products surrounding it and you're going to see a lot of the misinformation in that direction as well, you know, as well. Like we see now supplements for fasting and supplements for keto and supplements for paleo

Starting point is 01:00:46 because those things as they become cool, they try to figure out ways to, I mean look, here's a bottom line, like there isn't a marketing team for whole natural foods. There really isn't, I don't know of the broccoli organization running commercials talking about how cool broccoli is. Process foods have lots of marketing. Brussels sprouts have been on the rise.

Starting point is 01:01:05 It has, but it's been really, it's been really, it's been, like every restaurant, I'm just like, oh, they got Brussels sprouts. We had it last night. We had it last night and Katrina, we were at, this is when I was going through that whole presentation with the whole car thing, right? And she made it, she kind of served me

Starting point is 01:01:20 and I was like, in the middle talking to her and it was great, I ate it, you know, it was actually really good, but I didn't comment on it. And she's like, you didn't say anything with the Brussels sprouts, I did this and I fed that and I was like, I middle talking to her and it was great. I ate it, it was actually really good, but I didn't comment on it. And she's like, you didn't say anything with the Brussels sprouts, I did this and I did that. And I was like, I don't know what it is, maybe I just became a lot of really good Brussels sprouts lately. This is all these restaurants, we've been going

Starting point is 01:01:34 and trying all these different Brussels sprouts. And I feel like we're just talking about it right now. But it's becoming more cool, I think, to talk about it, health and longevity and all that stuff, which I think is good. It's kind of shifting a little bit. Well, it's not that it's just becoming cooler. It's also becoming obvious that they are.

Starting point is 01:01:52 So maybe because fitness has been around a lot. Well, it's something that we set a lot on the show. I remember we said this all the time, like the melding of health and wellness with performance. This is really mind-pump's message and it really was a lot of, I think we say less of it now because I feel like everybody is heading that direction. It was more of a foreign idea back there. It was very foreign. And so we are trying to explain to people exactly

Starting point is 01:02:13 what the message that we are trying to give, which is that, listen, they're not, they shouldn't be separate entities. They're the same in one, and they should both be integrated into your health and wellness journey or performance journey. If you're a performance driven person,

Starting point is 01:02:26 you shouldn't neglect health because that's a big piece of it too. So one is a symptom of the other. Right. You know, the way you look is a symptom of how healthy you are and the healthier you are, the better you typically will look. And that's the bottom line.

Starting point is 01:02:41 And if you're an extreme athlete, if you need to push your body beyond what's healthy, which I understand that too, if you're compromised. Then you have a good base, like you have a good solid base. My solid base is optimal health, and then from there I can go more to extreme. But if you don't have that solid base, what happens is you go from extreme,

Starting point is 01:02:58 you know, extreme, which is not healthy to the opposite extreme, which is also not healthy. And you never find that solid. You never ground it. That's right. Didn't you guys find it in our scene when we were interviewing Robert Oberus just the opposite extreme, which is also not healthy, and you never find that solid. I'll never ground it. I didn't just go as flattened in, and I was saying when we were interviewing Robert Obrist just the other day, and he talked about moving on

Starting point is 01:03:09 from his supplement company. And I was actually excited about that. Right, and he was in a pretty good direction. And he was bringing up to us about plant protein. He's like, man, I just feel so much better when I have plant protein. If you guys ever had plant protein, just intuitively, he's like, oh, man, I feel so much better.

Starting point is 01:03:22 Right, you know, so I definitely think it's becoming more popular for the combining of these, like, because why I brought him up, because he's an extreme athlete. I mean, he's an example of an extreme athlete. The extreme of the extreme in this sport. Who would give two shits about, you know, something that's probably healthier for him.

Starting point is 01:03:39 He knows Dan well, the extreme, he's pushing his body is not health and longevity. But even then, starting to realize, like, oh wow, when I eat this type of protein, which I'm already using a protein powder anyways, this one's better for my digestion, I enjoy it better, like, there you go, like, I mean, you're gonna start to see,

Starting point is 01:03:54 and know that. You never even heard that 10 years ago? No. Next question is from AC Longyear. My mom has osteoporosis and is getting worse. She recently found out that calcium won't shuttle into her bones. Any insight on what she can try?

Starting point is 01:04:09 Her doc did say lifting light weights may help, and I'm assisting her with that. Well, isn't that what the definition of osteoporosis really is? It's just the lack of ability for calcium. Some people would say it's autoimmune. Potentially, it's autoimmune, potentially. It's just obviously the weakening of bones. It's that your bones, your bones are constantly,

Starting point is 01:04:31 think of your bones like muscle, okay? This helps a lot. If I don't apply stresses on my muscles or force on my muscles, my muscles will adapt in the direction, my muscles will only ever be as strong as they need to be and your bones are the same. Your bones will really only be as strong as they need to be. So using the example of muscle, if I'm super sedentary and not doing anything and I just start eating a shit ton more protein, because I know that protein, you know, is what my body uses to build muscle. Am I going to build more muscle? Probably not. I'm probably not gonna build any more muscle because my body has no reason to build more muscle.

Starting point is 01:05:08 It doesn't have a signal. Your bones are the same. If you have osteoporosis and you know that calcium is used to build bone, if I don't send a signal to my body to make my bone stronger, I can take all the calcium in the world and it's not gonna do anything.

Starting point is 01:05:24 In fact, taking calcium may actually cause problems and we do know that calcium can start to cause problems and it'll arteries if we take too much of it. And they're finding this now and actually more and more doctors are not recommending people take calcium to counter osciburosis. So the doctor is saying that lifting weights may help. He's partially right. The reason why he's wrong is it won't and not won't, it not may help, it definitely will. That's the only thing that'll make the biggest difference.

Starting point is 01:05:49 The other thing too is vitamin D, and I'm pretty sure her doctor tested her vitamin D levels, but it's much more likely when somebody has bone issues, if it's a nutrient deficiency, it's more likely, it's not calcium, it's more likely, it's actually D, low vitamin D, that's the problem. But if all of our nutrients are in check, if everything's in balance, like gold if whites,

Starting point is 01:06:09 I had a client who had osteophenia, which is right before osteoporosis. So this is, there's different levels when the bones start to get weakened, right? So it's like, before you have diabetes, you have prediabetes, osteophenia is before osteoporosis. Now this client also had another issue

Starting point is 01:06:24 where her butt hurt, she wasn't producing enough platelets. And in fact, the doctors at one point thought she had cancer, but they found that and they told her she had like six months to live. And you know, 10 years later, she was still alive and they realized that it wasn't cancer. It's some strange autoimmune issue and her body just produces lower and lower levels of platelets, which can become very deadly because your blood fails to clot

Starting point is 01:06:49 and it can cause lots of problems. So she had osteopenia and she had this condition where she wasn't developing a lot of platelets. Her name is Linda, great friend of mine, love her to death. She came to me and said, hey, do you think resistance training will help or exercise will help? And so we sat down, we talked, and she was actually referred to me by one of her students. She was a professor. One of her students was a trainer

Starting point is 01:07:12 that had worked for me years ago at 24th fitness. So she comes in, we sit down, she'd never worked out before. And we start talking, I said, okay, look, resistance training creates the force and the stress that sends the signal for muscles to strengthen, muscles anchor on bones so the bones do strengthen. So I for sure think it'll strengthen osteophenia. Now as far as your condition with platelets is concerned, I know that bone marrow produces

Starting point is 01:07:37 or is part of the process of making these platelets. So theoretically, if we get your bones to want to strengthen, we should create a positive response with your platelets. So I trained her, and over the course of three years, we were able to not only stop her bone loss, which was the goal. The goal of the doctor said, I just want you to stop the bone loss. Not only did we stop it, but we reversed it, but we also stopped and reversed what was happening with her platelets. And the doctors were so blown away,

Starting point is 01:08:06 which blew me away because it was done. I was crazy that they were blown away. But they were so blown away that I had to, that the doctors had me fill out some forms and talk to me because they made a case study on her because of how positive the effects resistance training were on those two things. Resistance training is the single best form of exercise

Starting point is 01:08:30 that can combat many of the things that are connected to age. And one of those is the weakening of the bones. The best thing your mom can do is lift weights. Period hands down. Obviously there's the right dose. Yes. So we gotta start there and then build off of that progressively, but definitely, is the

Starting point is 01:08:49 best thing you could possibly do, especially like getting into the elder as we age, it's so much more crucial to be able to maintain function, like strengthen itself, produces abilities. So you want to go travel, you you wanna do day-to-day things and be independent. What is more independent than to maintain the strength and abilities that for you to get up and be mobile and do what you wanna do?

Starting point is 01:09:19 But yeah, maintaining your bone, density, just overall strength and support for your joints. This is part of why we created the 30 days on the YouTube is for someone just like this, right? To, maybe they've heard us talking on the show for a long time and the maps programs seems like something like they may wanna try, but I don't know, maybe my mom's not ready

Starting point is 01:09:42 for something like that. It's designed to kind of ease you into that that process So this was like I told my mother-in-law who's in her mid 60s like that's how I started her my my family on the other side That's in their late 50s like these are the people that I started them on our 30 days like if you were interested in any of our Programs you haven't bought any yet. You're not sure like here's a great place for you to start and get kind of a feel. So about the YouTube one? Yeah, the YouTube 30 that we just did last month, that series is perfect for us. It's still there, it'll be there forever too.

Starting point is 01:10:10 Right, and then from there, you know, if she does well with that, and she's consistent with that, the next natural progression would be like a Maps Red, which right now on the YouTube channel, we are giving everybody the first five days of Maps Red so they can test drive it and they could try it out and say, hey, is this something that I can follow and stick to?

Starting point is 01:10:29 So even then, so if she goes to the three days, she's still not sure, then you could try the five days out that we're releasing right now. And then from there, like I would say red and probably prime pro is probably the programs that I would recommend. So I just had an email from, so I was on Chris Cresser's podcast

Starting point is 01:10:44 and he has a large audience of people, I think, in this category, right? People with autoimmune issues, people who are a little older, and this woman contacted me, Karen, is her name. And she's like, I never lifted weights, I've only ever done cardio, because that's what my doctors have always recommended.

Starting point is 01:11:00 I listened to her episode, I was, it was compelling, and I wanna start resistance training, what should I do? And so what I recommended that she did episode, I was compelling, and I want to start resistance training. What should I do? And so what I recommended that she did was I said, okay, the two programs you need to get are Maps Prime and Maps Enabolic. And the way I think you should start is start with Maps Prime and do the fortification workouts

Starting point is 01:11:18 because they're correctional. So on Monday, do Zone One workout. On Wednesday, do Zone Two workout, and on Friday, do Zone Three workout, and on Friday, do zone three workout, and do this for six weeks, and focus on just form, get good mobility, get good control. Once you've done that for about three to six weeks, then progress to maps and a ball, and do pre-phase.

Starting point is 01:11:39 Pre-phase is where I want people to start when they're just getting started with the resistance training. Do that for about three to six weeks and then move to phase one. And I think that's a perfect recommendation for most people in this situation. But really, this question really highlights something that I find is absolutely ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:11:58 And I'll make a prediction right now and I'm glad it's recorded because I guarantee you it's gonna come true. Within the next five to 10 years, the recommendation will change from get 30 minutes of vigorous cardiovascular activity, which is what they recommend to everybody and to older people.

Starting point is 01:12:15 It's gonna change the resistance training. I guarantee it, 100%. Because they're so backwards with this shit. If the recommendation should not be get 30 minutes of cardiovascular activity every day, the recommendation should be resistance training, should be the focus for everybody, but especially as people get older because,

Starting point is 01:12:34 loss of balance, that's loss of strength, loss of mobility, that's loss of strength. Breaking a hip or breaking a bone, that's loss of strength. I think it's almost patronizing for them to recommend that. I think it's more like this. We don't think you're smart enough to go figure out how to lift weights and we don't think you're disciplined enough to do more than just walking.

Starting point is 01:12:52 I just think they don't know. Oh, you think so. I don't think they know. I think, you know why? Because the studies that are done on exercise. I think they think people are too lazy and too dumb. Yeah, I think it's ease of access. So like any time anybody thinks about like,

Starting point is 01:13:03 I want to get started and start, you know, getting healthy again, they think immediately I'm gonna start running, you know, or do some kind of cardio-based movement where so much more benefit with, and you start like really working on resistance training and, you know, especially at the beginning, right?

Starting point is 01:13:20 Especially at the beginning. If you're somebody who has not been really working out at all, I mean, the benefits that we get during the beginning of getting into weight training is so crazy that it's super trumps cardio. Yeah, and it does. It does take education. There is a process with that to understand your body and biomechanics to be able to lift properly. And so that is very important, but know, that's why programming is important. That's why like us laying it out in a specific way

Starting point is 01:13:52 that's easily understandable will benefit like this type of population. I firmly believe 100% firmly believe that it will be not only a recommendation, but this will start to become part of the protocol is that as you age We are going to give you resistance training exercises, and that's going to be the focus because Nothing comes close and three days of vigorous activity of vigorous, you know, cardiovascular activities better than nothing But it's barely better than nothing. It's not going to get do a whole lot for you like resistance training

Starting point is 01:14:24 I firmly believe with the next 10 years, you will go to the doctor and the doctor will say, okay, cool, now I'm prescribing resistance training, that's what you need to do. And then you're gonna start to see the market cater to that audience. You're gonna see more gyms cater to that audience because that's it, that's the fucking answer.

Starting point is 01:14:40 It makes me upset when I get, you know, I do get happy that I get messages like that, like I just talked about, but it also makes me upset that, you know, I do get happy that I get messages like that, like I just talked about, but it also makes me upset that, you know, this woman was 60 years old, and nobody has ever told her, none of her doctors, nobody has ever told her, you need to live white.

Starting point is 01:14:54 She heard it on a podcast for me. Right, I mean. Next question is from creamer 12. Hmm. Hmm. I've been seeing people do a carnivore diet, which is all meat and not vegetables. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 01:15:11 No vegetables, like a shaman. Or anything else. I know you all don't believe in one diet, but what are your thoughts on this and perhaps you wouldn't I didn't finish writing this question now. Yeah. What do you, wait a second.

Starting point is 01:15:24 So you guys wanted to talk about this. Justin, don't you have the doctor that's doing this? Do you come in, yeah. Dr. Sean Baker. Is he scheduled already? You know, he's in the schedule, yeah. To do a podcast with us. Do you guys know when we have him?

Starting point is 01:15:35 Is he this month? I don't know. I believe he might be at the end of this month if not the beginning of next. So yeah, it's definitely in the works. And was this you who went this direction on the question then? Yes. You should have saved it.

Starting point is 01:15:46 No, you know why? I want to speculate before we have them. Yes, because it's so everybody's, I've been getting a million questions on this. I think it's a great thing to talk about. And I would love to share this episode with Dr. Sean Baker before we meet with him so he can address any of the things

Starting point is 01:16:02 that we talk about here. Because I can safely say, I think I can safely assume what we're all going to say about this. Here's the thing. So with the carnivore diet is literally, you just eat meat. There's a doctor, doctor, Sean Baker has been making the rounds. And that's no veggies either. Nothing. Nothing.

Starting point is 01:16:18 There's no plant, anything. It's all meat and some eggs and some dairy, but mostly just meat. And this guy's eating like three to four, five pounds of meat. Okay, it's like steaks or like ground up meat. That's what it is. So, and I listened to him. He's on Joe Rogan. I'm listening to what he's talking about.

Starting point is 01:16:35 He's been doing it for a year. He says he feels great. Here's the thing you need to, people need to understand about humans. We can get away with doing it. We're resilient as fuck. We can do a lot. Yes.

Starting point is 01:16:46 Look, I tell you what, you can eat typods for a fucking year problem. Yes. Well, fuck, but dude, look at the average American diet. People do that for longer than a year in a fight. And the average American diet for sure is not ideal. So I think this really just highlights that humans evolved in states where we probably didn't have

Starting point is 01:17:05 a lot of food accessible all the time. And sometimes we only had a couple of things accessible. And sometimes it was just meat and sometimes it was just vegetables. And we know you can eat vegan and be okay. Can you eat just meat and be okay for a little while? Yes. Is it ideal long term?

Starting point is 01:17:21 I doubt it. I doubt it's ideal for most people. Do you think that was his intent of going on this diet, or do you think it was like the counter to the vegan, the whole veganism? Do you think it's more like that where he's trying to show that, listen, you could go on this diet for an entire year

Starting point is 01:17:36 and talk about all the great markers that are seeing change in positive. So is it more, or do you think he really is going to subscribe to a car to start it with keto? You did. Remember correctly and then just kind of transition. He looked into like a forum that had talked about this, like carnivore diet and decided to kind of give it a try.

Starting point is 01:17:55 And he noticed great performance benefits within his workouts and things like that. And but the thing is like even on the show like he didn't, he didn't reveal like any of blood work, or any of the health markers with this thing. Oh, he didn't. But I want him to describe all that because he had a really interesting thought process with that as far as what you consider healthy.

Starting point is 01:18:19 And clearly, the markers you should pay attention to. And so it's a different perspective and it's definitely something. And he is a doctor. Yeah. And it's something that I think it's, it's contrary to common thought. And so I think that's why I think he's a surgeon. He's a, I think he's an, oh, I think he's a, he's a smart guy. I think he's an osteopath if I'm not mistaken. Or, I think he's a surgeon in the way the body actually absorbs nutrients and everything else. So this is all very fascinating, you know,

Starting point is 01:18:51 information that I feel like orthopedic surgery. We may not agree completely obviously with you know the train of thought with it but it's definitely something that's well thought out. Here's the thing and I'll tell you so I did a lot of research on this just and brought this up a while ago and I thought it was absolutely insane and so I did a lot of research on this, just and brought this up a while ago and I thought it was absolutely insane. And so I did a bunch of reading on it and I went on these forums. I read what people said, lots of people took blood work and showed great numbers, other people said they felt great.

Starting point is 01:19:17 Of course other people said they tried it and felt terrible because again, there's a massive individual variance. Here's where I think some people are gonna feel good eating in this way. I don't think people are feeling good because they're eating so much meat. I think some people have such bad issues with food and tolerances.

Starting point is 01:19:38 That eliminating plants, puts their body, takes their body out of this hyperimmune state and plants, what we're finding, not to have defense making it. They do. And if you have a food intolerance, the odds are it's going to be to a plant and not to meet. It's just true. The only non-plant thing, there's two non-plant things that are common.

Starting point is 01:20:03 That's an interesting theory that I never thought about that. I mean, it's true. Dairy and eggs, you'll have food intolerances. But other than that, it's rare to see food intolerances to fish, chicken, beef. I mean, they exist, but it's far more rare. And the reason for this is, if you think about it, it's quite obvious.

Starting point is 01:20:20 Food plants do contain natural defense mechanisms to prevent themselves from being eaten by predators. Now plants can't run away. Plants don't have claws and teeth to fight and defend themselves, but what they can do is they can produce things that will make them hard to digest or impossible to digest so that they don't get eaten. Wheat is a great example. If I pick wheat out of the ground and and I eat it raw, it will fuck me up, it'll destroy me. And so humans have designed through thousands of years of, you know, because humans are smart, right?

Starting point is 01:20:53 We figured out long time ago how to produce wheat and process wheat in ways to make it digestible. You got to first, you got to ground the fuck out of it. You got to process it, you got to remove certain parts and then ferment it. And then you can eat it and then you're probably going to be able to digest it well, but there's still going to be a significant minority of people that can't digest it well. This is true for most plants. Most plants will have these mechanisms, which is why we cook them and do all these different things to them. So meat doesn't have these defense mechanisms because meat is an animal that can run

Starting point is 01:21:26 and fight in clots away from you. So that's their defense mechanism. So this is why I think some people feel better eating this way because they have such bad gut issues from for whatever reason that plants just fuck them up. So they cut plants out and they're like, wow, I feel great, but it's not the meat. It's the lack of these things that give them intolerances. And my advice to those people would be,

Starting point is 01:21:49 why don't we address the issue, see if we can get you away from, you know, trying correct some of these issues that are causing intolerances so that you can eat some of these plants that have other benefits. Yeah, I say they have health benefits. They do. Now, from a nutrients standpoint, other benefits. Yeah, I'd say because they have health benefits. They do. Now, from a nutrients standpoint, if you were just me versus if you were just to eat plants and you were in nature, the likelihood that you would have a nutrient deficiency is actually higher if you just ate plants.

Starting point is 01:22:13 Yeah. Well, because you think about that, the non-essential versus essential nutrients. Yeah. And so, meat, you get it covered right here in your proteins and fats. The only nutrient that's in question with just eating meat is vitamin C because you really only find vitamin C. I mean, you can find some vitamin C in certain organ meats, but it's much more difficult. It's mainly found in the hurt.

Starting point is 01:22:33 You heard how you described how they convert. You know, like even I forget exactly like what he said, but like there was a form of it that your body ends up kind of adjusting to that. Apparently your body needs less vitamin C when you don't eat plants, but you know, scurvy was a real thing in the old world when they would travel on ships and just have preserved meat, and they'd have to stop and see if they could find, you know, like the island of Sicily, for example, became quite wealthy, or at least the landowners did because when people would go through the

Starting point is 01:23:02 Mediterranean, they would get lemons there to prevent scurvy through their travels or whatever. So I'm very interested in talking about, but I don't think this is ideal at all long term. No, no, like it's an extreme, you know? Another thing, like if I'm boring, I'm just gonna eat meat. That's gotta be really hard.

Starting point is 01:23:22 Oh, either the keto-genic diet got fucking boring, dude. Right. And that allows a little bit more flexibility. I couldn't imagine only sticking to me. Sounds cool for a couple of weeks, but definitely not for me. Yeah. You know, every, which, and I doubt this,

Starting point is 01:23:34 I mean, there's forms for this, but I doubt it's like really long term, you know, communities that you can have as examples that you've seen. Even the takeaway for me is this, and I've had days like this, and it's why I don't stress about it when it has happened, where there might have been a day where all I ate

Starting point is 01:23:48 was almost all me all day long. Just didn't get to as many veggies as I probably should over one or two and didn't get into any other carbohydrates and all I had was meat all day long. Like, you're not gonna die. You're gonna be okay. In fact, it's arguably as good as if I would have had vegetables all day long.

Starting point is 01:24:04 And in fact, probably the ideal world is rotating the both of them. Like maybe one day is all me and another day is all vegetarian. That's actually another part of the question that Doug put up there was we've talked about having a vegan day. Do we think there may be a benefit for better? There might be. Sure. You know what?

Starting point is 01:24:21 I would fuck around with that 100% and I would highly doubt. Yes, and I highly doubt, like if we go back because it's always going back to evolution right, how do we evolve eating? I highly doubt that, you know, for most human civilization. Yeah, they both did not come at the same time. That's right. Some days we were eating deer for fucking five days.

Starting point is 01:24:36 Exactly. And some days we were fucking chewing on grass. That's all we had. Exactly. Like, if you got meat, that was like a celebration a lot of times because like the way that you were able to, I mean, you had to hunt for days. And it's like, yeah, then you could zoom it all.

Starting point is 01:24:53 And so it's like, you don't have a refrigerator. Say, hey, we'll eat that next Tuesday. You know, this pain or a poison that we'll have that into the two weeks from now. Or you like, you kill an animal and you're like, hold on, everybody don't eat. Yeah, we got to go find some vegetables to throw down. I'm pretty sure. But you know what? My digestion is really bad. And really, there's only a couple populations that we can look at that closely mirrors this,

Starting point is 01:25:13 the Inuit. Inuit, so there's the best example. But even them, you know, two or three months out of the year, they eat vegetables and fruit. So there's different seasons. That's right. So they adjust. They do eat a mostly meat diet, mostly seal blubber and fish and high fat,

Starting point is 01:25:27 and that kind of stuff, but it's not like that all the time, two, three months of a year they eat plant. And the other thing too is this, is if people get the concept of just the carnivore diet, you know what they're gonna eat a lot of? They're gonna eat a lot of steak, you know what I mean? They're gonna eat a lot of that kind of meat. Like, people who eat, you know,

Starting point is 01:25:44 when humans evolve, the we ate meat, we also ate organs and blubber and skin and eyeballs and I'm pretty sure we didn't just cut the fricking tasty, you know, steak part and just like that. Yeah. And you also have to be concerned about what your meat ate, you know, and like if you're getting all grain, you know, fed meat and all that kind of stuff,

Starting point is 01:26:04 like, you know, you have to just be a little discerning as far as like what the quality and all that kind of stuff too. Yeah, is he eating, is he, you know, if he's eating all grass fed organic, or is he? I believe he is. Okay. I believe he is. Yeah. Next question is from HMEZ4. Which of your clients was most impactful in your life?

Starting point is 01:26:21 Oh, why? What an interesting question, man. That's a, that's a hard one for me. That's it. There's, because I know, I can think of them. I mean, they've all impacted us in your life. Oh, why? What an interesting question, man. That's a hard one for me. That's it. There's because I know I can think of them. I mean, they've all impacted us in different ways. Right, but I can definitely think of a couple that really stand out to me. So do you know someone right away?

Starting point is 01:26:34 I do. Okay, tell me who you have. This one was, so I've had a lot, quite a few clients that have become very close to who changed me both through the process of training them, but also because they without inadvertently without realizing it became mentors to me. So I can name quite a few, but one really stands out in a huge, huge way. And if it wasn't for this one client that I had, I would not be here. And this is a very easy one for me to pick. And that was Doug. Doug, when I first started training Doug,

Starting point is 01:27:05 we fell in love right away and had a relationship. No. When I first started training Doug, so Doug came to me through a chiropractor that I had trained for a short period of time. So as a friend of mine, it was a chiropractor, and I trained him, and this chiropractor, like loved the way I trained people.

Starting point is 01:27:25 He started sending me his patients because I had a good understanding of correctional exercise. And so he saw that I could benefit his patients and we worked together. And he sent me Doug and Doug came to me because he had back problems. And so this guy told Doug,

Starting point is 01:27:39 hey, go to C-SAL, he'll help you with your back problems. When I started talking to Doug, that was Doug's first goal. His first goal was, hey man, my back, I throw it out, like regularly, I mean, he'd throw his back out every, you know, like twice a year. And it was pretty de-abilitating. He'd be out for a couple days, which if you've ever thrown your back out, that sucks.

Starting point is 01:27:57 Oh, yes, of course. And so Doug's like, I need, I wanna like fix this problem. And then I say, well, what are some other goals that you're having as well? I'd also like to build some muscle and get leaner and this and that. And so we had those other goals. And Doug had a long history of exercise.

Starting point is 01:28:11 So he was by no means a beginner. He was always active, had lifted weights for a long time, done body parts splits. He followed Bill Phillips body for life for a while. Did that whole competition and understood food and take. Actually had a great understanding of nutrition, far better than most clients I'd worked with. So we started training, and initially,

Starting point is 01:28:30 when Doug first came in, I told him, I'm only gonna train you twice a week, and that's all I want you to do. I don't want you to come any more than twice a week, and I don't want you to do anything else on your own in terms of resistance training. I mean, you could be active otherwise, but don't do anything else, and he was a little skeptical that he would actually get results or build

Starting point is 01:28:48 muscle with two days a week. And that's because of, you know, what he had learned before. But, you know, luckily, I'm really convincing. So I, you know, I basically closed them on it. And I remember specifically conversations where I have to close them on it. And he trusted me. And in a very short period of time, because Doug has great genetics, which is funny, because he thought he had terrible genetics, but he got great genes. Not only did he fix his back, but he got strong as fuck, actually became one of my more stronger clients.

Starting point is 01:29:13 Eventually got to a point where he could deadlift twice his body weight at the age of almost, how old was he, almost 50, I think it was 48. And it was really, really cool, but within a, I wanna say within the first eight months or so of training, he would talk to me about what I was talking about, about what he said was my ability to communicate these things, and he said, hey man, I think if you can promote your ideas

Starting point is 01:29:41 and stuff in ways that you'll be able to reach more people. I think you could do this all online. And he was kind of telling me, and not so many words that he felt like I was wasting what he said was my talent. I think you could get this out to more people. And potentially you reach millions instead of helping your fingers. That's it.

Starting point is 01:30:01 A few hundred people in your studio. And he saw my passion. I really loved what I did. I loved all the clients that we had in there. And you know, me and Doug became kind of close. And so he kind of convinced me. And he would tell me, listen, Sal, if you ever come up with an idea or anything

Starting point is 01:30:12 that you think you can sell or promote, let me know because I have experience in doing these kinds of things. I understand how to videotape things. I know how to make videos. And I understand the internet. And you know, because I didn't know any of that shit. I had no to videotape things. I know how to make videos and I understand the internet and you know, because I didn't know any of that shit. I had no idea how any that worked. Video tape. Yeah. I know. I said video. Sorry. I keep going. He told me that he knows how to use a video tape and how the internet works. Like where the fuck were

Starting point is 01:30:39 you fucking fuck from dude? Well, I mean, he kind rewind. Well, I mean, I knew I knew social media. It's like this guy is so brilliant, but he's retarded here. I'm going to help him out. I mean, well, here's the thing. I don't know how to promote myself. I don't know how to put together a frickin online program. I would have had to hire somebody who would cost me tens of thousands of dollars into the first place. So he told me, he's like, if you, if you ever have an idea, let me know. And at the time when he told me, I had no idea. I just said, well, I don't understand how it's gonna work. And so Doug would say things like, well, you know,

Starting point is 01:31:10 you could start a podcast, you could start a newsletter, and we talk about these ideas. And so a few months later, you know, I, you know, was up late one night, and the idea for maps and a ball that came to me, and I wrote this whole program out, and I approached him, and he tested out the theories and his body responded I tested on my clients I did on myself and Doug and I thought I was gonna write a book I don't know if I ever told you guys this I told Doug I'm like oh cool help me write a book and he goes no dude we're gonna do videos and we're gonna put

Starting point is 01:31:38 this on the internet we're gonna sell it through videos and I'd never been on video before and I'm like I don't know I don't know if I could do this. And Doug kind of convinced me. He's like, no, no, no, I think that's the way we need to do it. And so I kind of trusted him and I said, okay. And we made the videos and we did all that. And then I sent them to Adam and that's kind of what Scott, the ball rolling for me, for Mind Pump and for Maps

Starting point is 01:32:03 and everything else that's happened now. And so, for me to pick the most impactful person, is the inception. Easily, because if it wasn't for Doug, if it wasn't for Doug, there's no way I would have got here, no way, I would still be allowed mouth in the gym. Yeah, no, that's great. That's it.

Starting point is 01:32:19 You know, when I think of impactful clients in my life, it's really tough to narrow down just one because while you are talking there, I'm kind of like racking my brain of, well, I could think of people that have, like, I could think of the client who impacted my business life the most. I could think of the client that impacted my personal growth the most. And so for me to just give it to one person is really tough for me, but what I will choose one for the sake of with this not turning into a two hour podcast and being about me talking about all my special clients. But I had the client that I have and I've actually talked about this client on the show, but

Starting point is 01:32:53 not in this manner. So this might be surprising for someone who's been listening to all the shows. And that is the same client who fucking threw the barbell at me. And I fired. Great story. So this client of mine was with me for seven or eight years. So I had her for a very long time. And she was an executive for the nightrider,

Starting point is 01:33:16 the people who do the San Jose Mercury News. So the newspaper company that does San Jose Mercury News. Is that building still exists? I believe it does actually. I don't know if they still do the same thing or what, but she was an executive for them. She was not that much older than me. I think she only had a couple of years on me

Starting point is 01:33:32 and she was extremely successful, extremely brilliant and extremely the opposite of me. And so why I picked her as the most... No, she's brilliant and she's the opposite. Well, you know, it's brilliant in her own way, right? And, you know, she was, she's kind of a feminist. She was definitely a hardcore liberal and she was super anti-god or religion. She was a heavy reader, didn't really watch any movies. And so so much of her was so different from me,

Starting point is 01:34:06 but we spent, you know, five days, she would train with me five days a week for seven, eight years. So I've spent, you know, hundreds and hundreds of hours with her the course of my career. Because I trained her once. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you know, like she's a unique person, but it taught me a lot about myself.

Starting point is 01:34:23 I learned an incredible amount about business from her. I mean, she was very successful. She was my favorite client because I've always been an entrepreneur at heart. And so I've, and I've always had multiple business or lines of income coming in. And so I would always be sharing my ideas with my really intelligent clients like her because I'd love to hear their feedback. And she would shit on almost everything I came to her. And she, but that's why I see, and this goes back to, you know, how we've said since day one on this podcast, the types of people we are and why we probably all get along, is that we seek those paradigm-shattering moments.

Starting point is 01:34:55 I seek the people that disagree with me because it helps me learn, it helps me grow through that process. It doesn't mean that everything she said, I listened to it, and I didn't do anything. No, but I love to hear somebody who was going to disagree with me and then intelligently tell me why they disagree with me. I learned so much through that process with this person and it taught me so much about me and it taught me a lot about looking for people like that.

Starting point is 01:35:19 Now, when I first took her on, I didn't see it that way. I saw it as a challenge of, here's this person that nobody fucking wants to train. She had been through like nine trainers before me. Everybody who had her hated her and was like, I don't care how much fucking money she has, I don't want to train her. And for that exact reason was why I wanted to train her.

Starting point is 01:35:35 I want to train her because nobody else can train her, but he hates her. And I want to believe that I have the ability to win this person over. And that was my initial motivation of taking her on as a client. And over the course of years of having her, I learned so much about myself. I learned so much about people who had a completely opposite view as I had. So I think, and her name was Sasha. So Sasha was the client that I had for all this time. And I don't even know where

Starting point is 01:36:01 she's at now. She could potentially be listening to the show and I don't even know it. But I would have to say she was probably one of the most impactful people. And we had a very weird different relationship. It was like we were so incredibly close, but so distant at the same time if that makes sense. I spent more time with her than almost any other client I ever had because of the amount of time. I mean, there was times, you know, she got approval. How funny is it? I don't know if you know this. So she wanted to train so fucking much with me that she was asking to train two times a day. And I was like, we just can't, we can't do that. They don't allow that.

Starting point is 01:36:36 They don't allow that, right? And so she wrote an email to corporate to get approval for her to train twice in a day. And it's, that's how like how much time I spent with this woman, and yet we were not even close enough friends that we would go outside of the business and hang out and have dinner or lunch or any sort of friendship like that, it was purely a business relationship, but it obviously grew to more than that

Starting point is 01:37:01 because of how impactful she was in my life, but yet we weren't that close. So very, very unique client, probably most impactful in my life for those reasons, even though I can think of a handful of people that have really mentored me or really impacted my life and other aspects. So I would say her. It is tough, man. It is tough because you go through the role of Dex of like, there's been impactful moments and depending on what phase of life I was in, because we've been

Starting point is 01:37:30 training for well over a decade and so there's been a lot of different periods in life that I've experienced and then certain clients have stood out in those moments and have really stepped forward and been a guiding light for me and been there as far as like, you know, whether it's breaking off of my own and doing the independent route and somebody that helped me with that process and was really, you know, like an example for me and there and I could lean on, you know, them specifically or like when I'm having a kid,

Starting point is 01:38:02 you know, and like, you know, I'm getting married and like I'm, so there's just been like, these really pivotal moments, but throughout this entire process, much like, you know, kind of what you're describing at them as far as like somebody that's been so, so impactful that it's been challenging, but at the same time, I had a different experience,

Starting point is 01:38:23 so she's very much of a relatable person for me and like a model example of like how I want to be and how I want to treat people. And she's just been like this, this very, very impactful like business woman that has faced like insurmountable odds and has just overcome so many things that, like I'm just so in awe of what she's accomplished.

Starting point is 01:38:51 And I was connected to her because I was shifting my entire business model to where I was trying to cater to somebody that was in this type of environment where the pressures were so unreal that like health to them was everything. Like this is the first time I've actually dressed somebody that all they cared about was like, dude, just please keep, keep me healthy.

Starting point is 01:39:15 You know, like, like, you know, I definitely want to be in shape. I want to look good, all this stuff, but like this was where it was like, you could just see, you could just see like this health deterioration because of the stress and like waking up, like taking international calls and putting out fires at two, three, four, five in the morning, I have to adjust. I'm sitting out in the parking, like in her driveway, just waiting and she's like, I can't, I can't train, I can't train today.

Starting point is 01:39:46 And I had to deal with that. Like I had to deal with the frustration of like, I'm here, let's do this, but like she's putting out fires. So it was super, super challenging for me to make progress and to then manage like, well, how can I really help her? Right. How can I make an impact nutritionally? How can I establish rituals?

Starting point is 01:40:08 Like, the mechanics were like really tough because it used to be a dancer. And there's these horrendous recruitment patterns that I have no idea where to start. And so I started, I experimented with so many different things like bringing people in, like bringing in, you know, somebody to try and help to manage completely, like her nutrition by providing and like catering like a chef, like doing everything, right? And so we tried that direction and I tried,

Starting point is 01:40:38 you know, bringing in like a nutritionist at the time because I felt like that was one of my weaknesses and I really wanted to kind of bring in reinforcements. This is what really challenged me to learn more. I went and pursued more informational mobility and I found certifications that really helped me to address a lot of the recruitment issues that were happening with her knees or hips, just her body and just keeping her healthy and then how to counter stress. Anyway, just long story short, I have not learned more just by seeing somebody be on that level and that's something that I've aspired to kind of challenge myself to

Starting point is 01:41:28 propel myself in that direction. But seeing it like the example of that and understanding what that takes, but now how to manage that in my own life, it emits the chaos. I think she's just been the most prime example of being able to overcome all these different forces and then really bring it back to her and like how, you know, she was going to be able to navigate a healthy lifestyle going forward. It's crazy that all three of us picked powerful women that impacted our lives. life. Poor Doug. I just fucking with Doug. You know, to that point that you just said right now, Justin is kind of funny because

Starting point is 01:42:11 last night when I was telling you that I was listening to this presentation from Jessica who I used to train in the past. And she's so caught up in this startup, right? She's in the startup life right now, so she's not, she hasn't worked out. She's fallen off the wagon like crazy. And I coach her time to time and one of the things that, and she came over literally to talk to me a little bit about getting her back in the swing of things. And, you know, one of the issues like, man Adam, she goes, I set my alarm every day this

Starting point is 01:42:36 last week to get up early and start maps red and do all and get going on this and that. And then I'm like, I'm like, Jess, why don't look at this? And I said, I'm going to give you advice right now that I for I'm like, I'm like, just why don't look at this? And I said, I'm gonna give you advice right now that I for sure know that the 10, 15 years ago trainer Adam wouldn't. And I said, throw mine pump back in your ears and go walk every day for a half hour to hour. That's it.

Starting point is 01:42:56 You haven't done anything. You haven't been doing shit for the last two, three months as far as moving towards your health and fitness journey. Everything's been centered around your personal life, your business life, things like that. You haven't been addressing your health. You've been eating all over the place and you've told yourself, okay, I've let myself go too far.

Starting point is 01:43:13 I'm gonna get back into it and I have the tools. I have the, I've got the trainer guy in my corner. I've got the right programming, everything like that. But even then, I said, you don't even, and if you're struggling to get that first step already, you're making that first step too much already. You don't even need to like that. But even then, I said, you don't even, and if you're struggling to get that first step already, you're making that first step too much already. You don't even need to do that. Like, if, imagine if you were to just go and walk

Starting point is 01:43:31 for one hour every day this week, that's a huge step in the right direction compared to last week. So starting off with that, and I think that advice has come from years of training clients, like the ones we're talking about right now, because once you get to a level where you start training these people that have huge, huge stress in their life,

Starting point is 01:43:51 and tons of things that they're juggling, and you're, you know, trainer, motivator guy, who's trying to like, come on, five more, or you gotta come tomorrow and hold, and it's all about accountability and motivation, and it's like those people don't give a fuck about any of that shit. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:44:04 They're, there's some of the most motivated people you ever meet your life. They're fucking kicking ass at life that you'll probably never get to their level. So what why do I need to be this fucking cheerleader? No, what I need to do is teach him the right process. And so I had to unpack that and it took me years to put that together. But now my advice is so different than when it would be. So how do you evolve? Right.

Starting point is 01:44:24 You know, that's that that's exactly what happened to me because I was that guy, oh come on, consistency and you know, you know, rah, rah, rah. And so this through me completely off-kilter and yeah, it's been super, super transformative. Probably, easily the best thing about being a trainer is that it's just the people you get to work with.

Starting point is 01:44:42 100% my favorite part. That's it, 100%. Oh, I attribute most of my success and knowledge has come from the years that I was training. I mean, even going back to the client, the client I talked about, you know, a lot of people have asked me like, where did my like, you know,

Starting point is 01:44:58 a thirst for reading kickoff? And it partially kicked off because of her. I had her in my early 20s through my mid and late 20s and it was 25 years old when I really kicked that off. And I remember there was a specific thing that happened in my career that really catapulted that, but if it wasn't for someone like her who was always in my ear,

Starting point is 01:45:16 she used to make fun of me that I watched movies. Like she used to say like, she thinks it's a waste of time to watch a movie a second time. Like if you see it, why would you watch it again? I'm like, that's my favorite movie. I love to watch it. Yeah, but that's the way she would be a time that could have been an hour or two hours

Starting point is 01:45:28 and half hours that you read an incredible book that could change your life. So she used to always be in my ear with things like that. And I know that was a lot of what kind of catapult to me in that direction. It's cool. It's really, you know, it's funny when we filmed maps and a ball, like another client helped us film it.

Starting point is 01:45:44 One of my other clients was the one holding the click board and helping with the sound and the lights and would show up on his own time just to help out. I had other clients who would help out and allow me to reschedule with them or change their scheduling to do this kind of stuff. And every single one of them believed that, I mean, to the point where when we started doing this and the first videos came out and I would show them, I'd send them to my clients, this is how cool they were. They would all say things like, you know, man, this really makes me happy,

Starting point is 01:46:16 but I'm also sad because I know our time is limited now. Like they all believed in me so much because of what they saw, all of them were kind of sad about it and were happy at the same time. So that's the best part right there. Check it out. If you don't have the Mind Pump Media app yet, what the hell are you doing with your life?

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